protection

[mellow quartz]

not your gear

skill issue so bring a log to see why

[terse swift]

that is the most aggressive but at the same time helpful and friendly message ive ever read

[unique wyvern]

Any of you guys running a SB + SS macro? I know it's prob stupid but it really made my life easier removing that 1 keybind.
When I was playing heavy repercussion I had like 96% SB uptime but now with into the fray it's down to something like 78%.
I'm heading to 9s RN and think I'm gonna have to put the macro away

[graceful kite]

make an alt with bs

[fresh pilot]

Haha true. I respect it. Will post some logs tomorrow then just went of to bed. Just annoying as fuck. Feel like im doing all i can using defensives kicking etc.

[graceful kite]

weapon crafting is VERY chreap to level

[lusty grotto]

what is SL

i thought it was Shadowlands

[balmy remnant]

people gotta stop using acronyms

[lusty grotto]

why would someone want to macro the worst wow expansion ever to shield block

i mean banner gameplay and outburst/reprisal was dope, but not enough to save that dogshit of an exp

[terse swift]

Hey - Dont forget about WoD

[graceful kite]

i liked korthia or whatever is was called

[lusty grotto]

nah SL was worse than WoD

WoD is close though

but seriously what does SL mean

i have a feeling we may never know

[graceful kite]

shield slam maybe

[toxic pewter]

is 7 ilvl difference on a ring with no haste worth wearing

[graceful kite]

no other sls

[graceful kite]

if sim says so

[toxic pewter]

would do more dam yea but lose my precious haste

would u wear it

[lusty grotto]

i swear we've had more weird acronyms this week than anytime ever

[graceful kite]

if it simmed better

[maiden nimbus]

Did they fix the hit box of the purple explosion for the first boss in dawnbreaker?

[graceful kite]

whats wrong with its hitbox?

I did it like an hour ago didn't notice any hitbox issues

[mighty valley]

me 🤝 apb
defending the honor of shadowlands

[lusty grotto]

[mighty valley]

every time i warp to bastion or mists for a key

it gives me a warm fuzzy feeling

what pretty places

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[graceful kite]

literal hell

people hated bfa and it became great to play after 5 months

people hated sl and it became worse and worse

holy fuck im raging out I had to use a mail fucking head because i didnt have a plate one for a socket in sanctum

[mighty valley]

sl s3+4 were goat prot warrior gameplay

basically set the template for what we do now

[balmy remnant]

unfortunately that is shadowlands

worst xpac ive played

[shadow haven]

who made the wowhead guide

[maiden nimbus]

In pre season it was hitting people well outside the visual effect. So I’ve always flew a little extra distance in my keys but haven’t gone back and tested if you can sit right on the edge now and be fine.

[graceful kite]

ah you're talking intermission one

I had of couple of people explode outside its visual range last week

[mighty valley]

nomeratur, it says on the front page

[shadow haven]

@strong forum hu

hi

overview says to use ironclaw whetstone and consumables says to use algari mana oil

[tribal wharf]

OH NO

its happening again

they are already trying to roll for it lmao

[lusty grotto]

that warrants a new nickname

[tribal wharf]

trinket lord

well shit, that destroys trinket farming for me

first key, already got it

[mighty valley]

now you need hero track

[tribal wharf]

i had hero sac in my vault

but there was some better item

[ivory barn]

Colossus looks so Sus in Raid

[velvet jolt]

Probably a basic ass question,
But.

Do you have to be a certain ilvl for 7-10’s?

Or is it more mechanics?

[tribal wharf]

its always mechanics with wow

if you do 100% of the mechanics right, and do your rotation, etc

you will have very high chance when low ilvl

[pallid quiver]

ilvl generally makes it so you have more lenience the fuck up mechanics; you'll see less of them overall due to more damage, and you have more ability to resist dying with more gear. You can do content pretty low geared if you perform right

[smoky anvil]

Press buttons right ☑️
Don’t press buttons wrong ❌

[kind urchin]

I've got so many trinkets from raid and delves and stuff... Still no sacbrood.

[unique wyvern]

Shield lam

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/frankly-thats-a-skill-issue-hazzikostas-ion-ion-hazzikostas-skill-issue-gif-21595688

[velvet jolt]

Thanks 🤝🏻

[lusty grotto]

whats that

[tribal wharf]

blue screened

lol

oh

did we not makit, weird how it displayed it

[lusty grotto]

@dusky canopy wowhead posted how to do titan disc fast

[hoary fox]

im new to wow in general as of this expac so I dont know what im looking for when trying to figure out of my rotation is correct, but should my shield slam be outdamaging Thunder Blast/Clap?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[waxen frigate]

Yea

[tribal wharf]

shield slam first and thunder clap before anything else in terms of offensive

shield block when you do not have shield block active (boosts dmg among many other wonderful things)

ip when at very high rages

[hoary fox]

ip?

[tribal wharf]

ignore pain

[hoary fox]

ah yea

[tribal wharf]

its not on the GCD meaning you can cast it any time between casts

[hoary fox]

yea im usually spamming it

[lusty grotto]

dont spam it

[tribal wharf]

ya

[lusty grotto]

use it only above 70 rage

[tribal wharf]

keep enough rage to do a shield block

[lusty grotto]

which can be spammy depending on your rage intake

but dont just ham it down without thinking

[tribal wharf]

if you dont shield block and point shield at enemy, enemy kills you with melees and spells

[hoary fox]

is it not good to always at least have it up?

[hoary fox]

true enough

[lusty grotto]

it will be up all the time regardless

[tribal wharf]

ip is important, but shield block is more importanter

[lusty grotto]

SB is more important

[hoary fox]

I meant "up" as in you currently have a proc on yourself

[lusty grotto]

yes

thats what i mean as well

[hoary fox]

okay

gotcha

[tribal wharf]

that should be your 2 core thoughts "do i have shield block up" "do i have threat established/ tuant ready"

[lusty grotto]

you should only track SB (shield block) uptime

IP's uptime will be high regardless, because as Thane youre swimming in rage

[hoary fox]

okay, sb way more important than ip

[lusty grotto]

so press IP at 70+ rage

and youll be okay

[split stratus]

I really feel like I'm in paper, just tanked a Mists +7 (~605ilvl) but I really get hit like a truck. I'm under mitig, trying to cast as much IP as possible but still from 60% to 0% in 1.5sec with only melees, not sure why I'm dying so fast.

[tribal wharf]

one of the reasons i love protection warior is because it is "hide behind rock for survival" and it has proven to be and EXTREMELY good tactic to live irl

rock good protection

[lusty grotto]

are you keeping SB up?

link the log

"trying to cast as much IP" is a red flag

thats not how you mitigate primarily

[split stratus]

It's up here, yes: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/h9m6vKa7rx4Gbfnq#fight=6&type=resources&source=3&start=15577211&end=15624759

[zealous goblet]

hey what are haste for unto the frey plese repond

[lusty grotto]

40%

[zealous goblet]

damnit nim

you ruined the joke

you were supposed to get mad at me asking a common question

[split stratus]

Feel like 1.8M melee under SB is really high for a +7

[lusty grotto]

brother youre not keeping SB up

[tribal wharf]

this is war crimes

the bad kind

[zealous goblet]

holy shit

[lusty grotto]

you can reflect Anima Slash

and spell block it

[split stratus]

Oh good to know, ty

[zealous goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/kerchak-throw-kingdom-hearts-1-deep-jungle-sora-tarzan-gif-1267129383950796596

[tribal wharf]

@split stratus https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQQCkBEkOadsvO4sTphB1RwzC6Z_3kq00IFaBrCk5Eagz2Jeoox7D7Rk3XwXMINbh4lUg9Vr-3RgoB2/pubhtml

[robust urchin]

(The bad way)

[tribal wharf]

here, this should help you immensely

[lusty grotto]

on the full 6

SB is your main active mitigation

[tribal wharf]

since you are at the stage that you are taking responsibility for what happened

[lusty grotto]

its 10000000000000% important that you block as close to 100% as possible

[robust urchin]

Just keep SR on Cooldown you're bound to reflect something eventually

[lusty grotto]

48% is ridiculously low

[zealous goblet]

OH YOU KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM MIGHT BE? i had this problem starting out, shield block charges STACK, so you don't need to track an 8 second mitigation. not sure if that's a problem for you, but if it is, literally just basically always be using the charges as they come up

[tribal wharf]

ohhh here

[hoary fox]

is it still important to have sb up even when you arent holding agro?

[tribal wharf]

i got something else

[robust urchin]

It boost Shield Slam damage

[zealous goblet]

shield block stacks up to.. 30 seconds.. if i recall

[lusty grotto]

less important but still somewhat important since it buffs your SS (shield slam) damage

[zealous goblet]

so just always be consuming your charges

of it

[tribal wharf]

https://wago.io/gDJ5XzNk1 also at harbor

[robust urchin]

And you wann be BIG PUMPER DPS TANK don't ya?

[tribal wharf]

any time you reflect and deal dmg

it will put it in say

[lusty grotto]

triple its base duration

[tribal wharf]

and makes it feel really good to do it

and now, your party knows you can do it.

[lusty grotto]

ok i need everyone to calm down

this is a code red

[zealous goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/stroking-masturbate-fingers-gif-17601177

[tribal wharf]

we gettin nerfs?

[lusty grotto]

and he might get overwhelmed by all the stuff youre putting into chat

[pallid quiver]

NO FUCK YOU AAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH

[robust urchin]

Is there a WA for when someone fucks up their interrupt? Like it just does a big RW "XXX done fucked up interrupting nothing"

[split stratus]

I think I get the idea lol, ty for the help all !

[marsh axle]

hey, the count from MDT to Necrotic wake is working ?

[earnest nymph]

what's happening?

[lusty grotto]

#protection message this

[marsh axle]

i did this someone tells me that dont works :/

[lusty grotto]

its a warrior emergency

goddamn it

and we keep putting in garbage

[hoary fox]

on Heroic Princess, is it expected to blow all your defensives on the tank buster?

i feel like paper durring it

[robust urchin]

More like what's not happening? (Blocking damage)

[split pebble]

what about this one

[hoary fox]

how is yalls thunderblast doing so much damage lol

my shield slam heavily out damages it

[robust urchin]

Try pressing it when it's up

[hoary fox]

i do

lol

[split pebble]

its a m+ btw, not raid

[hoary fox]

ah okay makes sense

[tribal wharf]

i played bfa, so i am expert at thunder clap

thats about it really

[hoary fox]

I prioritize SL over TC when its single target and both are up

[robust urchin]

Wish thunderclap would replace we for fury slayer tbh

[lusty grotto]

SS should be higher

[tribal wharf]

call me crazy but i like thane fury for keys

[robust urchin]

Ur crazy

[tribal wharf]

same old but also mash tc

count me in

we have to bleeds them anyway

[robust urchin]

How do you cope with thane single target

[split pebble]

285 ss casts vs 136 tblast, was a quick 2 chest ara

[tribal wharf]

i did it in a "key" heroic

when we only have heroics

and i liked how it played, was doing good group dmg

[hoary fox]

do yall even use revenge? not seeing it on any charts lol

[tribal wharf]

about 5 to 10 times per dungeon

[hoary fox]

damn

[tribal wharf]

depending

[hoary fox]

im using it way too much then

[tribal wharf]

well, that depends, im thane

[hoary fox]

same

[tribal wharf]

thane does not like revenge

[split stratus]

Sorry, me again. If I understand this filter well, it means I'm only blocking 50% of hits while SB is active ? 🤔

[tribal wharf]

if u are colossus best friends with revenge

[lusty grotto]

SS should be 100% more damage than what Krasiz posted

im raiding atm so ill take a look in a sec

[split stratus]

Like I'm getting hit in the back or what ?

[lusty grotto]

proibs

[hoary fox]

how do you get this chart?

[tribal wharf]

my take

hes pulling a yogi

and showing ass

[split stratus]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/h9m6vKa7rx4Gbfnq#fight=5&type=damage-taken&source=3&options=4134&sourcebuffs=132404 Damage Taken -> Aura Filter SB

[lusty grotto]

i cant deep dive the log atm

[split stratus]

Is there a way to know if I'm getting hit in the back with warcraftlogs ?

[lusty grotto]

just give me a few

[hoary fox]

thanks

[lusty grotto]

im in the middle of heroic queen

[hoary fox]

gl

[split stratus]

glhf mate

[tribal wharf]

here is the rage waste

[robust urchin]

How many crits you got

[split pebble]

im only 607, no 4pc, so keep that in mind. didnt really felt liek i was missing casts but with into the fray i have 1 trillion haste so could be fosho

[lusty grotto]

your ilvl doesnt matter

a lot of us did those keys at 600 to 605

or higher level of keys

[tribal wharf]

im only ilvl 603

602

[lusty grotto]

you have a 610 shield as well, thats what matters

which is not low by any means

[hoary fox]

someone mind helping me understand the numbers lol

is this good or bad

[tribal wharf]

90% blocked hits and above is what you want to reach

[split stratus]

I don't see any crits in the logs, but a 2.85m avg hit under SB seems so high idk

[tribal wharf]

80% is bad 85% is bad ish, 90% is acceptable

[bleak wyvern]

is 4 set good enough if 3/4 pieces are raid finder?

[tribal wharf]

87% blocked hits doesnt sound bad until you get back to back 7 million basic melee

[lusty grotto]

dont aura filter

[tribal wharf]

cuz you didnt block

[lusty grotto]

literally hover over hits

if you aura filter you will get filtered data, thats not what you want

[split stratus]

But I don't understand why the blocked/hit have almost the same avg value

[tribal wharf]

the only time its acceptable not to block is when its the very minor type of add, slightly larger than a critter

that has its like a weird pill hp bar, and isnt elite

[lusty grotto]

because your effective uptime is bad

logs dont lie

[robust urchin]

Try blocking right, with your shield

[lusty grotto]

melee is not the only blockable attack there btw

[split stratus]

Yes I fully understand that I should keep SB up 100% of the time, but avg blocked hit should be like 50% of avg hit, right ?

[lusty grotto]

youre looking at the wrong thing

hover over hits

[split stratus]

Ok, I had the "Raw Damage" stuff enabled, I'm retared lol

time to sleep

tyvm for your help !

[lusty grotto]

ill ping you when take a closer look

so just check it tomorrow, when you wake up or w/e

[split stratus]

Really appreciate it mate 🫶

[split pebble]

yeah, i just mentioned due to # of casts prob being more relevant than the raw dmg i think?

i went to compare to few other logs (well, not many publicly available) and the SS # of casts was p much around of what i had. yoda had 278 casts on the same dg, but a bit longer run, which is even a bit less than what i had

[lusty grotto]

yoda is not primarily a prot warrior

not the best example

he pushes high, but hes not used to warrior

[mellow linden]

so do we not use execute?

[lusty grotto]

we do

[mellow linden]

ty

[split pebble]

yeah ik, but it wasnt just him. but like ive said not many publicly available for dgs unfortch, so a bit hard to compare. ill just set up a recording to check stuff later eventually

[lusty grotto]

compare yourself to sense or nome

those are tried and true one trick ponies

plka if hes playing (im not sure)

[split pebble]

ill check them out, thanks

[lusty grotto]

granted, nome is playing colossus a lot so idk if he has thane logs

[tribal wharf]

dude thre is a billion ppl all trying to run mists rn

[lusty grotto]

easiest key

[tribal wharf]

i ask them why, and they say fish (haste) trinket

[lusty grotto]

with NW

yeah

this one?

🙂

[split pebble]

got 2 hero of those

🙂

[tribal wharf]

4k hastes

[lusty grotto]

oh yeah thats good for casters

[tribal wharf]

probably healers trying to get it

[lusty grotto]

hmm no

casters

[tribal wharf]

i could imagine healers crying about not getting it

do healers really

[lusty grotto]

casters prefer crit

[robust urchin]

He's trying his best ok

[tribal wharf]

do the thing that is forbidden for tank

to 2 support trinket

[lusty grotto]

haste okay, but crit is king for healers

[tribal wharf]

i thought healer trinkets was similiar case to tanks

if they can afford to dmg they equip dmg ones

[south zealot]

u can change what it gives u

[tribal wharf]

and if need heal, equip heal

[south zealot]

based on what food item you eat that day

[mental granite]

any tips on tanking with prot in the stonevault

[tribal wharf]

what part

which boss or associated trash?

[robust urchin]

Blizzard literally on some weight watchers 1984 shit frfr

[tribal wharf]

if its near final boss trash those totems hurt like hell

[mental granite]

mostly trash

[tribal wharf]

they cast earth shit

[robust urchin]

Pull
Mitigate damage
Do damage

It's rather easy when you think about it

[tribal wharf]

but ya, we need to know what part you had trouble on

[amber knoll]

new player, unsure of how ring enchants work. Can you use the same one for both rings? The guide has a normal and cursed enchant.

[mental granite]

just the final parts with void and earth aoes

[tribal wharf]

yes same on both

[lusty grotto]

you can do the same one

[amber knoll]

ok cool, do I need to sim the "normal" vs "cursed"

[tribal wharf]

do not waste on rank 3 for a low tier ring

[amber knoll]

Yeah i'm poor, rank1-2 lol

[tribal wharf]

unless same gold

[robust urchin]

Just sell wow tokens

[tribal wharf]

that implies i bought them

[robust urchin]

Like you do have a job and disposable income right?

You aren't just leeching off of your government or parents right?

[amber knoll]

do the cursed/non cursed enchant even itself out? and just got with the cheaper?

[tribal wharf]

pass on wow token, i mean, probably 1 wow token for repairs and crafting and shit

but like,

i can survive on less gold if need to be

[balmy remnant]

you dont understand. you have a job. you must buy wow tokens

[tribal wharf]

oh no i have to do some wq to get flask/repair gold float

[hoary fox]

do yall usaully keep Avatar for Champ Spear and Ravager burst or do yall use on cd

[balmy remnant]

on cd

[lusty grotto]

unless you have the piece that boosts cursed

[tribal wharf]

avatar is for everything but primarily shield charge

[lusty grotto]

go for non-curse

[balmy remnant]

i see avatar available i press avatar

[hoary fox]

okay cool

[amber knoll]

I had no idea there was something that boosts cursed, what is that?

[lusty grotto]

but you can sim if you want to of course

[tribal wharf]

avatar + sc = BIG DMG

[hoary fox]

ive been missing out on a lot of dps then cause ive been holding for 1.5 min CD's

[balmy remnant]

yeah you are

avatar and demo on every pack

big dmg

[hoary fox]

is there something that shortens the cd? i see it up a lot of times before champ spear and ravager

[balmy remnant]

big fuck dam

yes

using rage reduces it

if you have the talent

[hoary fox]

ahh yea i def do

was like wtf i just used this

[balmy remnant]

yeah i recommend you read your talents and abilities

:)

[amber knoll]

What boosts cursed enchants?

[hoary fox]

im new so remembering all the shot that procs everything else is a steady process

[tribal wharf]

with avatar especially hit it instantly, only time never to hit avatar is when monster is about to die and you would waste the timer

sometimes you cannot control this

[balmy remnant]

yeah like if the pack is dead im not avataring but if theres damage to be had im using it

[hoary fox]

okay cool, def been using it extreamly sparingly

[robust urchin]

I hold it for when I need to get out of root! Pesky roots and snares I tell ya

[tribal wharf]

but, its not the end of the world if you send avatar after everything dies

im bigger now and useless rn... oh no anyway

i like to bring paladin to groups

freedom op

[hoary fox]

damn, i didnt even notice demo shout give 20% damage...

so much missed dps

[balmy remnant]

ye its big fuck dam

on big pulls when you got avatar + demo into ravager spear

[flat cloak]

can anyone help me with a Cata Classic Macro?

#showtooltip [mod:shift] Intervene; Charge
/castsequence [mod:shift] Intervene; Charge, Intercept

Will constantly try to cast Intercept first, even if I dont have rage.

Even if i swap to
#showtooltip [mod:shift] Intervene; Charge
/castsequence [mod:shift] Intervene; Intercept, Charge

Still tries doing Intercept first.

All i want is for that macro to cast Charge first and only cast Intercept if Charge is on CD

Any ideas?

[balmy remnant]

[tribal wharf]

#vanilla-discussion

i think

[flat cloak]

ill try there thanks

[tribal wharf]

oh

#mop-discussion

[polar gust]

1. https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/843489817869549599
2. your macro does a mod:shift, which will only cast charge if you press shift+macro

[flat cloak]

yea, im trying to have shift held to do both

[tribal wharf]

you do all the avatar and demo shout and few other debuffs buffs

ur sc can EZ crit for 1 m +

quite often around 500k i want to say

[simple drum]

Thoughts on Bind of Bindings? It’s simming really high for me and it’s easily my next best crafted piece

[hoary fox]

do yall use WeakAuras? seems a little clunky but that might be just because ive never used before

[warm plinth]

You basically have to use weakauras in this game, or an addon that does the same thing. WeakAuras are just easier to customize a lot of the time since the code and everything is accessible in-game.

[lusty grotto]

sims assume perfect uptime

[tribal wharf]

DBM and GTFO can get you through 90% of problems when combined with logs

plater as well

[lusty grotto]

99% of us do

rare is the player in this disc that does not use one or another

[hoary fox]

alright, just gunna take some getting used to

[balmy remnant]

use premade stuff at first

dont worry about not understanding it, most people dont actually understand it

[lusty grotto]

just dont install one that overwhelms you

for example (im arms atm)

this is mine

[tribal wharf]

pretty much the main WA i have is one that shows IP and plays a beep at slow interval when at high rage

rest of my wa dont matter

[lusty grotto]

my prot one is similar

[hoary fox]

yea i def need one that has less than what i currently have

has like 20 icons

[tribal wharf]

but, ya, plater is huge game changer

[sinful light]

do we want avoidance?

or does it reduce rage regen

[tribal wharf]

for example, you can find every monster that casts a nasty spell, and give him a purple name plate, or a green one on one that heals

[scenic mural]

Avoidance is pointless

[simple drum]

No shot you (and other guys like Jakey) always give generic answers to power based questions like ‘just sim yourself’ but then also say something like this

So ‘Just sim yourself’ is not always objectively correct then

[tribal wharf]

its not wrong

[lusty grotto]

i mean have you read what it does?

[tribal wharf]

cuz the sim is your optimal dps

which is your optimal survival

which i know sounds dumb

[lusty grotto]

and have you read how it works?

[tribal wharf]

but it is

[lusty grotto]

youre generalizing our "sim" answer

when we do it mostly to people linking vaults

[tribal wharf]

a bit

[lusty grotto]

or when comparing linings

context is important

so

[tribal wharf]

i dont know where he gets the idea that avoidance reduces his rage regen? ??

do we get rage when we get meleed?

[lusty grotto]

kinda wild he drops this garbage

and then says nothing

what a guy

ill change my answer to

go for it

sims high? do it

🤡

[simple drum]

I’m sorry Nim, to be honest I raged because I just crafted the ring since it simmed so high so when you said that I felt like I just wasted crests/mats

[tribal wharf]

it makes me so happy i had a competent group for seige, and that i timed the SV i blue screened in

[rigid yew]

Explain it to me like I'm a level 50...
Why the shield block talent change because of how much haste we have?

[tribal wharf]

when i seen i blue screened i thought for sure they had disbanded the group

[woven temple]

just got this from a delve, any input on 1-10 how good or bad this is?

[simple drum]

No secondary stats is rough

[tribal wharf]

if its ilvl use it but replace immediately

[woven temple]

big heard

[tribal wharf]

first item same track but stats

[hoary fox]

whats some mandatory WAs yall have? i've got spell reflection assist, Prot warr mitigation, and a fairly basic warrior skill setup

[rigid yew]

I like the spell reflect one because there's a lot of spells that target random people and it's too hard to tell if it's on you or not.

[mighty valley]

one that plays the Vengabus song when you’re in lust

[tribal wharf]

ill continue what i said about plater

makes correctly IDing mobs that randomly cast instant kills the healer bolt

ez

[rigid yew]

I'm using threat plates and I can't figure out the right settings to stop the health bars from shooting too far up off screen

[tribal wharf]

plater can do that

i have mine set to stop sign colors for if i have aggro or not

[hoary fox]

this shit is confusing as hell lol

[tribal wharf]

you want to find a profile for plater

someone will have one for the content you are doing

[rigid yew]

Link your plater profile and I'll sub to your onlyfans

[lusty grotto]

nah, i apologize, i was out of line

youre good

the ring will not be a dead craft

just make sure you link up

and then craft with another sparks and/or in 2 weeks to replace the embelish

that slot is far from dead

[tribal wharf]

i need more runed crest

then im good

i can use about 60

once im past able to use carveds to upgrade ill do 4 or somethin spam

[hoary fox]

anyone know how to swap an icon out in WA?

this stuff is hella confusing

[small bone]

Which is more beneficial to craft; a weapon or shield?

[mighty valley]

Shield

Well, shield is a more important slot

[languid gust]

if I'm earthen, is it better to eat a stam buff gem or crit?

[trail halo]

anyone know the haste soft cap?

[tribal wharf]

long ago in the past i had some wa or addon that when my health got low it would start beeping like crazy

didnt do shit besides add sstress

[languid gust]

sounds like the right way to raid

[bleak wyvern]

jesus

does this raid even have tank mechanics

i swear to god im drooling half the fights

then the nice lady tells me to taunt and i do it and nothing bad happens

[merry sluice]

I should get this for my BDK. Playing the class hasn’t given me enough heart attacks yet

[mighty valley]

i remember the yogi shadowlands videos with the WA that blasted a clown horn whenever shield block wasn't up

that clown horn was always blasting

[bleak breach]

So Yogi has always been Yogi

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto brooooooo

I didn’t realize the SV mount yoinked equipped trinkets

So it totally took my gear a rang

And I have no other trinkets

[dull frost]

Hi, does anyone’s finger gets cramped while spamming ignore pain on big pulls? It’s a lot to press so I was thinking of macro-ing to one of my skills to ease up the spamming of IP. Currently thinking of macro-ing it to shield slam. Or would macro-ing to thunder clap be better?

[tired vessel]

i have my IP on scroll wheel up

[earnest nymph]

Yeah I mean every time I start playing Prot warr after playing brew I get hand cramps for a week or so

From so much spamming

Goes away eventually

[lusty grotto]

🤔

tf

[warm plinth]

Neither because you would end up never having rage when you needed it for shield block or revenge

[restive plaza]

weekly 10 no leaver

[zealous goblet]

out of curiosity

do the guide writers sim weird silly shit that sounds mildly fun

or do they only focus on the numbers

[cerulean tusk]

They are human

they have fun

[narrow venture]

so do i have to just spam ignore pain

[zealous goblet]

not all of them

[narrow venture]

over and over and over

to survive this week

[cerulean tusk]

That a Maxroll AI drama reference?

[zealous goblet]

no, a dumb race joke, like dwarf, orc, all that

[split pebble]

this better now @lusty grotto ? 24min siege

[violet ginkgo]

Not bad, can we see the cast numbers?

[split pebble]

they fixed orbs on last boss already in case anyone wondering, was p chill dg, only 3 deaths

[split pebble]

is there a way to make a # casts table on details?

yes there is

[earnest nymph]

are you not running ravager?

[lusty grotto]

sure

[split pebble]

no, using battle scarred

just in case

[lusty grotto]

why are you dropping ravager for BSV

drop champion's bulwark

and shield charge

[south zealot]

drop shield charge and champions bulwark and get bolster and bsv

if thats what you want to do

[lusty grotto]

grab Bolster, drop Shield Charge + Champs Bulwark, keep Ravager

[wooden widget]

just got sikrans 1hander, radiant or depths??

[split pebble]

using into the fray tho, not sure if its a good idea to drop shield charge with that. but honestly i just copied dorki going full defensive cause im not worried about dmg for now

ill test other stuff too

[earnest nymph]

idk how anyone has enough haste to use itf at the moment

maybe I'm crazy though

[lusty grotto]

ok

i have a question

youre using

BSV

but are ITF?

brother you need to decide

thats so weird

dont play BSV, play regular Heavy Reper build

you dont go ITF with a hyper safe build

[split pebble]

im at 30% haste, the gaps are very rare tbh

[lusty grotto]

not with our haste levels

thats half assing

dont half ass

full ass

[split pebble]

think at a 11+ id have to drop it

[earnest nymph]

I didn't think we played ITF until like almost 40% haste or something

[lusty grotto]

we shouldnt

buf if the mentality is being so cautious as to pick BSV

why would you stop being cautious and pick ITF with sub 40% haste?

ITF isnt benefitting you at all, youre dropping all damage talents

you have no ravager

ok i just got myth shoulders

time to cata

[unique wyvern]

If U do that you're probably gonna eat to much rage.
Better just macro SS to your IP so U can fish for strategist resets

[obsidian harness]

I know nobody plays it. But. Has anybody else that runs colossus had the problem where hitting 3+ targets with revenge does not give a stack of colossal might?

I mostly notice it in raids and in delves where it just... doesn't work. Does anyone has any insight into that at all? Is it just a bug that isn't being fixed because nobody plays the spec?

[mighty valley]

uhhh i thought it was working when i was playing it, i'll check later

[lusty grotto]

please say SS

not SL

[earnest nymph]

shield Lslam

[neon elk]

Wth is sl ? ShieldsLam?

[unique wyvern]

Shield lam

[lusty grotto]

no

stop it

get some help

[earnest nymph]

you did this to us Nim

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-just-stop-please-stop-stop-it-meme-gif-26307878

[earnest nymph]

for real though what is SL?

[lusty grotto]

2ndaries

[earnest nymph]

oh christ

[lusty grotto]

fuck i did it, didnt i?

[unique wyvern]

I just keep mixing up the acronyms there's way too many

[obsidian harness]

Was doing mythic first boss tonight and it wasn't working on the adds during intermission :/

[lusty grotto]

[earnest nymph]

you're not the first person today to use SL @unique wyvern

so that's why I was confused

[unique wyvern]

I was probably the one that used earlier

[earnest nymph]

ohhhh lol

[unique wyvern]

But FR is just me mixing up the acronyms not Tryna be funny

[lusty grotto]

colossal might is not applied on Seismic reverb

it has been that way since beta

you want a might stack, you need to untalent seismic

or dont cause its kind of a dps loss

[obsidian harness]

That can't be it, I don't run seismic reverb in my raid build. I DO run it in keys, and it works fine in keys

[civic holly]

how does authority of the depths work?

[lusty grotto]

OH

yeah yeah

thats why

so it only awards it WITH seismic

[mighty valley]

??

[lusty grotto]

yeah

i had it backwards

its been a while

but we discussed it ages ago during beta

so yeah hes right

seismic IS needed for the might stack

otherwise you dont get it

[mighty valley]

how odd, i guess i've only been fury in raid

so hadn't noticed

[sharp epoch]

does the dmg reduction this provides show in details? or do i have to log to check

[lusty grotto]

its minimal so it doesnt matter

[sharp epoch]

figured

[violet ginkgo]

shadowland

[devout star]

should i be prioritizing weapon upgrade with crests or armor

[wooden widget]

Should i take double wall for rashanan?

[violet ginkgo]

what for? single wall is just good enough, I think?

[wooden widget]

idk im taking a ton from savage assault

if things keep going badly ill post logs

[raw parcel]

Oppressive Oratur's Larynx vs. Silken Chain Weaver. Both are A Tier, hm...

[neon elk]

Sim? But i would assume larynx wins

[oak ivy]

Is there a WA yet for Spell reflect or are we just referring to spreadsheet

[raw parcel]

You can't really sim a defensive cooldown vs an offensive cooldown.

[frank badge]

any tips on handling the guardian mobs in MoTS? the anima slash dot hits like a truck

[earnest nymph]

it is both reflectable and SpB-able

[wooden widget]

Shield wall, spell reflect, demo and dwarf, prayge

Prolly can spell reflect first ones. Then cycle your other stuff. Then spell reflect will be back.

Idk the actual rng on getting multiple double guardians in the maze. Hasn’t happened to me yet tho

Def not back to back

[earnest nymph]

as far as I can see in mdt there are only two packs in the whole maze that have double guardians

not possible to get them back to back if I'm looking at this correctly

[wooden widget]

Yeah that sounds right. So normal cycle of cooldowns and you’re safe. Packs shouldn’t be living insanely long anyways. Soon enough dps will have enough ilvl to blast down 10s

[neon elk]

Forget it doesnt do dmg as u hit them ,mb, but still , do u need deff trinket? Cuz im pretty strudy in 10s usualy

[boreal haven]

Hello Tankerinos. As i dont get any invites as Fury i'll try it as Prot. Can i tank 9s with 605 ? This Week ?

Shield and Weapon are ass.

[mighty valley]

a good shield would help but it's mostly about knowing how to play the dungeons

[frank badge]

ahhh its also reflectable i thought only spell block

yeah i got destroyed at +12 mist with 2 guardians

[azure pulsar]

Hi, can anyone share which part have you crafted lvl 636 gear? I think having lvl 639 weapon will take months for me. In that case, should not I go to craft the weapon?

[frank badge]

i crafted the 636 weap and shield on the first week

[narrow fern]

how big is tier for prot war?

[azure pulsar]

Tier is essential no matter how big it is..

[narrow fern]

not so much for dps, hence why im asking for prot since im mostly dps

[azure pulsar]

For dps comparison you may input conditions to simulationcraft?

[raw parcel]

I'm super sturdy, until I'm not. xD

[lusty grotto]

raidbots.com

[lusty grotto]

its not that big, but its better than nothing

[neon elk]

Will the trinket fix that ? Or better play ? If the later then go larynx

[lusty grotto]

🤔

i mean are they both same ilvl?

larynx is farmable, silken chain weaver drops are hidden behind RNG maps

and vault

so

if they are both hero, weaver should be the pick based on that

[waxen orbit]

11 cot done

with dogshit trinket

and low ass gear

horrible gaer

gear*

[lusty grotto]

gz

[tender reef]

Good morning boys, I tried collosuss last night and I think I did way better https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Q1nrGvWKaYgVZ4Dw#fight=2&type=resources&source=2&spell=101

[waxen orbit]

I'm running smark shard

and refracting aggression module

fucking save me

[tender reef]

Ahh that's the wrong link

[tender reef]

That should be the right link

[merry sluice]

honestly the fact your even found a restoshaman that does more than 20k dps, or 400k hps overall is impressive compared to the pugs im getting

[sick sentinel]

Would anyone mind taking a peak at a partial heroic raid log for me for any super obvious mistakes? I'm just trying to improve generally

[waxen orbit]

Swear to god these keys get easier at the 10 barrier

[merry sluice]

i've been doing 10s watching every fotm restoshaman drooling on their kb lmfaO

I SWEAR the only 10s ive timed

are the ones i get anything BUT restoshamans lmfao

[waxen orbit]

also am i supposed to run battlescarred veteran?

had someone tell me i'm supposed to

but

seems cringe

[lusty grotto]

you know the drill, youre not new

the same old cheat trinket discussion applies

even if BSV is not even a cheat

but its the same discussion

[fickle tundra]

Heyo, what would a 615 ilvl prot with a 593 shield comfortably tank?

[waxen orbit]

I'm 613

did an 11

I think you will be okay

[fathom robin]

How high should a 600 ilvl try to push?

[waxen orbit]

You can realistically do up to like

10s

[fathom robin]

okay, im just starting on 4s, so ill just keep going

[fickle tundra]

I'll remember you when I'm not for being terribad.

[sand pebble]

600ilvl +8's all day long, if your struggling to survive in higher than that take better dps players who will kill things faster - dont be afraid to push into higher keys because you think your undergeared - the only thing that kills us is making stupid errors in play or bad teammates - your gear can carry them only so much

[waxen orbit]

Post anything here if you need help

[fickle tundra]

Tanks

[neon elk]

Why do 8s? They reward you same end of dungeon , same vault, and same crests as 7s while bein bit harder . Either do 7s or 9s

[sand pebble]

dudes doing 4's asking if they can go higher at 615 ilvl with a 593 shield - 7 > 10 should be fine

[neon elk]

Yea but whats the point of your advice him doing 8s ?

[sand pebble]

confidence between 'i can only do a 7 with this gear' to 'i might try a 9 because that 8 felt fine'

question was 'can i do this' not 'how do i min max drops from m+'

[round pendant]

you can do +10s in 580 gear

you'll be sweatin

and need decent players

but it's possible!

[neon elk]

My point still stands, its pointless to do 8s all day long ..

[polar bridge]

At least 9s is good because of gilded crest

[round pendant]

I agree

Blizzard really scuffed the m+ levels and their rewards imo

[urban lotus]

Are there any exceptions to spell block or are all spells reduced by block% ((~45%) when active?

[rose pier]

which embelishment pumpers uses in raids as prot warrior ? just for max dps

[urban lotus]

Like do channeled abilities get blocks

And can spell block criticLly block

[graceful kite]

Some of them

[graceful kite]

Yes

[graceful kite]

Theres a pinned google doc in the channel

[jagged pier]

Lens

[strong forum]

Most debuff dots aren't spellblocked cuz well, they're already on you. But other than that pretty much all other things are spellblockable

[neon elk]

Also delves , they give too good gear compared to their difficulty

[hasty palm]

Hello i just got my 4 part and switch to spear talents, how do you play it ? What the point i mean, it's 100k dps under roar talent.

[stray gazelle]

Hit mobs with it and do dmg

[opal forum]

the 25% damage increase is what makes it good as mountain thane, you want to pair it with ravager aswell as other CD if avalaible

[jagged pier]

Cooldowns

On cooldown

[deft hinge]

ohh nvm it was roar

[jagged pier]

It off cd u press it and hit as many mobs as possible

Nope

[strong forum]

If it's doing 100k dps less for you, that means you're playing worse

Or the wrong talents to begin with

[strong forum]

No, it's troar and odyns fury that's being nerfed

Ravager is untouched

[jagged pier]

Warbreakrr and odyns fury are being nerfed from what i read

[opal forum]

if you happened to have some TB and SS proc during your ravager/spear, you make insane dps

[strong forum]

Nah warbreaker got a range buff

Big whoop

Let's ignore the fact that even on aoe you dont play warbreaker

[deft hinge]

nvm it was roar

[green bronze]

do totems in last 2 pulls of stonevault deal continuous damage or only when they finish cast

[strong forum]

When they finish cast

[jagged pier]

Oh well i did read it at 5am thought they were reducing damage on both oast 5 targets

[strong forum]

And you can only single target them

[green bronze]

why my party keeps dying on that pull then?)

[strong forum]

The big rocky boys do aoe

Stacking aoe

You never wanna pull more than 1 big golem at once

But also if a totem finishes a cast it's a wipe

[green bronze]

ye, i normally pull one pack and LOS behind the wall

[small comet]

Lies, pull the whole dungeon and pray

[jagged pier]

Of we didnt grtting the tsnk nerf i would say that cause we wouldnt die

[hasty palm]

When i sim roar against spear, i lost 100k dps so it's hard to understand.

[opal forum]

do you pair ur spear with ravager and other CD when avalaible?

you have a small window right after spear

where you want to deal as much damage

[halcyon crystal]

since i crafted weapon and shield with spark, what would be the next best choice for the 3rd spark ?

[opal forum]

so things like demo shout should be cast just before (when its up)

[strong forum]

Link the sim and I can help

Cuz

That sounds wrong

Unless you're playing colossus

If you're colossus you stick with roar

Any situation that I simmed as mountain thane, spear just won over roar, so I'm curious what you have

Cuz 100k is a lot

[opal forum]

the only thing i can think of is he's wasting GCD during the 25% dmg buff on things that dosent do damage (like sending demo shout and ravager during it rather then just before), i was doing this mistake last week

[graceful kite]

100k should be impossible

[strong forum]

It's a sim

So it has to be just fucked up talents

And not taking both spear nodes

[opal forum]

oh

[strong forum]

Or forgetting unstoppable force

Or forgetting 1h spec

Cuz you give up cruel strikes to get all spear talents + UF

[opal forum]

maybe he dosent sim the right thing

idk

[strong forum]

My bet is on still taking 2/2 cruel strikes

Instead of going 3/3 spear talents

[opal forum]

@hasty palm send ur talents

[tender reef]

Since y'all are chilling anyone wanna take a look at my collos run ? ❤️

[strong forum]

Ya sorry I saw DM but was mid/post raid so I went straight to bed

[tender reef]

No offense taken nor intented ❤️

[strong forum]

Bit too much thunderclap, not enough shield slam/revenge spam

[tender reef]

I'm just being annoying

Mhhh fair, only issue I have with new mystic this week is that the mobs are insane so i tried hard to AOE a lil more than go for dmg

[strong forum]

Yours

Mine

I got literally 50% more demolishs off

Because you only get stacks from shield slam, execute, and from revenge on 3+ targets

You wanna maximise getting your colossal might stacks and demolish cdr that way

[tender reef]

How does revenge AOE work ?

[strong forum]

Hit 3+ targets

[tender reef]

Am I big dumbo ?

[strong forum]

And Spam the shit out of it

[tender reef]

Like cleave ?

[strong forum]

Ye

It's a 180° arc

[tender reef]

Just on front of me or like TC ? 😂

Ahhh okay mice

Didn't know lol

Wiy demolish I had some issues that I almost died to mechanics

[hasty palm]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u5mEa7ToDoGAkpT3K8U4js
Here and thanks for helping

[tender reef]

Damn that's a lot dos

[strong forum]

Yeah wrong talents

[opal forum]

oh you dont even have ravager

[strong forum]

You don't have Ravager or piercing challenge

So you miss out on a ton of dmg or synergy

You also don't have rallying cry or intervene?

Kinda weird for an m+ build to not have supportive talents

[tender reef]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t6GjcnvSzcHtif9QzGHoxr

How does bro have 2x my dps?

[opal forum]

stick to the wowhead guide, they do an amazing job

[strong forum]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/DAPAVVRRFUgUVCSFBUBRNVUVEVBRFVZVUQCVEEFVVUCQQ

I recommend these talents

[tender reef]

THERES NO COLLOS MYTHIC REEEEEEEEEE

[strong forum]

You'll literally do alot more dmg

[tender reef]

https://tenor.com/view/ree-reeeee-duck-gif-15312912

[strong forum]

There is

[tender reef]

Huu

Only raid

[hasty palm]

I inspire by murlok.io. i see top players dont take ravager. Dont know why

[strong forum]

Yeah cuz they're not very well thought out builds

Don't just blindly copy paste

[jagged pier]

Filter down baby

[hasty palm]

Thats why i ask i'm lost with this change

[strong forum]

Trickle down* but ye

[strong forum]

They don't take Ravager cuz they think "yeah it doesn't give me tankiness" cuz they want the pseudo cheat death talent (which you don't need at all)

And then for some reason do not pick piercing challenge with spear, which makes no sense

So they're doing some kind of fucked up half measure build

Which as you found out, is a dmg loss

And half-measure builds are just.. Whack

Meanwhile Ravager grants a good burst of rage gen and dmg every 1.5min to let you stabilise and setup a pull

To help you survive and get the rotation going

[hasty palm]

When i come back from work work i'm gonna check et try with that change.
For the best output of damage do you recommand thane or colosses with 4 part ?

[high wyvern]

Love me cheat death trait

[zealous goblet]

can i spread misinformation yet
or is it not late enough into the night

[high wyvern]

Helped me from not bricking key so many time cuz I’m bad

[strong forum]

Colossus - more dmg but squishier
Thane - good dmg but very tanky

[zealous goblet]

i havent tried colossus yet, but i assure you mountain thane is like, idiot proof.

source: me no smart

[strong forum]

Nah

Thane is harder to play rotationally

[zealous goblet]

no way

[high wyvern]

That’s crazy

[strong forum]

Feel free to read up on my explanation on wowhead!

[vivid orchid]

you can overdo thane

rather easily

and it becomes inefficient

[zealous goblet]

that's not a snarky no way btw that's a "really?" sort of no way

[hasty palm]

@strong forum thanks for your time and explication.

[strong forum]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/hero-talents

[hasty palm]

I'm gonna try that

[strong forum]

While both are intrinsically easy

They are very different in action

[zealous goblet]

oh btw

while i have you hostage

[strong forum]

Oh yeah?

[zealous goblet]

how many gcds do i spend on fishing for a shield slam reset for outburst before i do a depressed thunderclap and move on with life

[strong forum]

2

[zealous goblet]

i think my record is 4 rn

i felt a brain aneurysm form

[strong forum]

Yeah

[tender reef]

100% true

[hasty palm]

No colosus build in wowhead for mythic + ?

[tender reef]

That's what I said

[strong forum]

Not directly linked

But it's there

I didn't link it directly cuz I don't want to immediately recommend it

[vivid orchid]

more dam less tank, thus less recommended for a newer player

[hasty palm]

Oh mb thanks !

[oblique radish]

how much mastery do you guys have?

[strong forum]

Uuuhhh

[zealous goblet]

i wonder if colossus has more carry potential with groups

[strong forum]

4k?

Or smth

[oblique radish]

sitting on 500 now

[vivid orchid]

~5k

wish it was haste but w/e

[tender reef]

Just call the dps low dps and the healer lazy leave key, proceed 💪😞

[strong forum]

I have now 18k haste tho

[vivid orchid]

[zealous goblet]

hand it over

im only at 16k

[onyx pike]

how much %haste are we aiming for? 30~?

[strong forum]

And finally a 626 weapon

So I can aim for that 1.5mil overall

[oblique radish]

8.4k crit
13k Haste
10.5k Vers
500 Master
Should i redo stats?

[strong forum]

Too much vers

[onyx pike]

❤️

[hasty palm]

If colusus do more damage in mm+ i want to Master that spec 👍

[strong forum]

Get a bit more mastery and crit

And less vers

[oblique radish]

alrighty ty

[strong forum]

You have too little mastery

[oblique radish]

ye dont get any gear with it

what can i doxD

[strong forum]

You want a tad bit of it

Cuz it's efficient

[oblique radish]

i c

[strong forum]

For critblocking

[vivid orchid]

~20% is nice

critblock that is

[strong forum]

Ye I think I'm at 25 or smth

[vivid orchid]

that said this weeks affix is funny

[strong forum]

Around the ballpark of 20-25% mastery is very good with very little investment

[vivid orchid]

having over 50% critblock

[strong forum]

As much as you can

Without losing ilvl

[oblique radish]

hmm maybe recraft ring then to Haste mastery

[waxen orbit]

I leapt 200 io in one day with just pugging. We might be back

[tender reef]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t6GjcnvSzcHtif9QzGHoxr

I post this again because there you can see my talent build I made myself because I couldn't find the mythic one yesterday, it's a little different, why do we not take the haste talent from protection ?

[waxen orbit]

I don't think I'll push like I did in SL but can verify this season is cool

Grim Batol fucking sucks tho

[oblique radish]

last pack on GB sucks

[vivid orchid]

prot is benefitting at least a little from not really being so heavily nerfed compared to the others

[waxen orbit]

Everything in that fucking place sucks

[vivid orchid]

stable hp bar

[oblique radish]

i hate siege more

[strong forum]

I feel as immortal as always

[oblique radish]

and 3rd boss NW with pugs

[tender reef]

I love dawnbreaker

[strong forum]

Except now there's no scary packs at all

For me

[tender reef]

It's the second lol 😅😅😅

[strong forum]

Everything is just "myeh OK cool"

[tender reef]

Not killing adds exploding leaving

[violet ginkgo]

godly nome

[tender reef]

Third boss same though they don't kill the add, we die, leave

You have to kill the add if you can't 1 phase the boss

[waxen orbit]

None of the dungeons hurt

except

for

GB

GB on a 10

[strong forum]

Nice, we can fight for overalls again then yes?

[waxen orbit]

Potentially

I have girlfriend and mom both recovering from surgery and college

and don't raid

but

when I play

I always gimp for dam

[strong forum]

Already coming up with excuses

[vivid orchid]

it feels so good

that GB reflect

[strong forum]

Dafuq

[vivid orchid]

is so dumb

[waxen orbit]

I have to have the failsafe

[waxen orbit]

???

What

[vivid orchid]

sorry its overall

but

[waxen orbit]

Is this an old raid?

[vivid orchid]

nah the guys who do the flame slash thing just do an absolutely filthy spell reflect

[strong forum]

Huh

I didn't check my details on that

[waxen orbit]

Oh

[strong forum]

Tbf

[waxen orbit]

Yea

[strong forum]

I do reflect those

[waxen orbit]

No that shit is fucking insane

[strong forum]

But didn't check

[graceful kite]

bring back molten fist spell reflect

it was a banger in m0

[waxen orbit]

I will never forgive them for removing it

but I understand

[strong forum]

That one is still in

[waxen orbit]

Ya just no dam

[strong forum]

They removed the dragon debuff reflect

Ah

Ah well

Happens

[graceful kite]

molten fist is a deflect now

literally 1984

[strong forum]

I've only done GB once

[vivid orchid]

at least we can basically ignore it still

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strong forum]

So I'm nto familiar with what's what

[vivid orchid]

fair

[strong forum]

Just went and almost +3d the 9

[waxen orbit]

I went from a 8 GB

To a 10

And the fucking damage difference from the move

Mobs*

[waxen orbit]

Feels like going from 24 to 28

[vivid orchid]

this absolutely slaps

[strong forum]

Dunno

Haven't felt any difference in keylevels yet

Between 7 or 10

[waxen orbit]

It’s in none of the other dungeons

Legit only GB

Hand to god

All the other dungeons it’s whatever

[vivid orchid]

mists guardians aren't nearly so bad as that

[waxen orbit]

Idk what it is with GB

[earnest cove]

That’s because you don’t feel anything anymore

[strong forum]

Also true

[jagged pier]

True

[strong forum]

I just ignore it

[jagged pier]

[earnest cove]

Ignore Feelings

[blazing condor]

ignore pain

its what we do

[earnest cove]

Yes ofc