if u dont want score and/or dont like the dungeon dont do it
#protection
south zealot
radiant mortar
every chat I am in is talking about Ulda. can we delete the shit dungeon pls?
south zealot
its bad but its like a good kind of bad
sure its 35 minutes of torture and feels like its longer than that
but its like kinda fun
radiant mortar
Is it? Like I would say AA is a fun dungeon or BH
south zealot
kinda yeah
lusty grotto
it feels fun the same way dark souls games feel fun
south zealot
u can pull trash on 4 bosses which is nice
lusty grotto
its punishing way too punishing, but since its a challenge that makes it fun
south zealot
youre always doing some crazy shit in uldaman
lusty grotto
but i do agree the dungeon is badly designed
radiant mortar
it feels fun the same way dark souls games feel fun
ok fair point of view, but DS isnt under time crunch :D
south zealot
its like speedrunning ds as an average gamer
radiant mortar
cant wait for Elden Ring dlc
radiant mortar
just stop playing wow
lusty grotto
thats not the problem
the problem is that xiv's exp release a week after
dawntrail
radiant mortar
xiv exp?
lusty grotto
final fantasy xiv
lusty grotto
everyone calls it xiv
radiant mortar
I always read ff 14
lusty grotto
maybe wow andies call it that
radiant mortar
yeah maybe
lusty grotto
but everyone that plays it calls it xiv
radiant mortar
I only lvld a char to 70 once to see the hype and have a chance o play with friends
its not for me
lusty grotto
i like it
and the story is so good
and i enjoy the endgame raiding
sadly this exp i dont think ill be able to raid much
radiant mortar
more power to you, the art is nice. Story I skipped, not a big mmo story enjoyer I just want to play endgame stuff
lusty grotto
different strokes
anyway thats not the point
the point is that yoship delayed it 1 week cause shadow of the erdtree was coming out on the same date
and he said you have 1 week lol
its a nice gesture on their part
rigid hull
the point is that yoship delayed it 1 week cause shadow of the erdtree was comin...
š¦ GOATED DLC
cant wait
sick sentinel
so why is fury so bad in cata?
jagged pier
blazing condor
cat-discussion 
unkempt hazel
oblique garnet
unkempt hazel
what the heck
jagged pier
blazing condor
unkempt hazel
solar aurora
Question regarding stats. I know the default is usually haste > vers > crit > mastery. However, are there times where mastery might be preferable? Ex: Should I upgrade my haste/vers crafted neck or should I switch to a haste/mastery one? The latter will bump mastery to 42%, which means a 42% chance to critically block (2x block value).
armory: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/area-52/Nacropolice
radiant mortar
https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-cat-blinking-cat-funny-cat-funny-cat-blinking-g...
unkempt hazel
median tulip
Question regarding stats. I know the default is usually haste > vers > crit > ma...
Also for the most part Crit goes higher than Vers
These are my secondaries, which can be considered reasonably typical:
valid edge
u guys have a good sr wa for tank?
tepid nest
u guys have a good sr wa for tank?
i do not, and i know you don't care about my advice but I would make sure your UI shows you cast targets and learn to manually SR rather than rely on a WA which will just enforce bad habits
to answer your question though, here's what looks like a decent one from wago.io: https://wago.io/tDT26wrXg
frosty mango
u guys have a good sr wa for tank?
Itās in wago - itās called āspell reflect essentialsā
To mirror what krayt said thereās a lot of times when you may wanna ignore the WA and use your noggin
valid edge
u guys are right - is just see it as an assist
frosty mango
For example nokhud last boss it will tell you to reflect thunder strike if the boss casts it before conductive strike but you should hold it for conductive because itās massively more damage
valid edge
yeah good point
frosty mango
What kind of overall dps are you guys doing with no Aug on average (not aa). Iām starting to max out around 300k with plate/anvil and struggling to squeeze any more
solar aurora
Also for the most part Crit goes higher than Vers
I see, okay, that makes sense. Only reason I am not doing sim isbecause sims can't really do an accurate(as far as I am aware) calculation for survivability. Mostly useful for dps
ebon geyser
To mirror what krayt said thereās a lot of times when you may wanna ignore the W...
we warriors had to many bonks to use that
frosty mango
I see, okay, that makes sense. Only reason I am not doing sim isbecause sims can...
Dead mobs do no damage
Damage is a defensive layer /s
echo egret
That thunder drake in RLP, is there anything I can do to stop him from moving constantly, like he can't find a place to rest ?
sand sable
Does Spell Block require Shield Block to be up at the same time? or am I overthinking this. Do we just hit Spell Block and become immune to spells for 30 secs?
violet ginkgo
I do think we need a shield block to be up
crystal iris
Can you guys help me with Ulduman route?
crystal iris
thats a good question, but I cant think of a situation where I wouldnt want to have SB up
solar aurora
Also that, more or less cast it on CD/near CD
tepid nest
Does Spell Block require Shield Block to be up at the same time? or am I overthi...
spellblock just enables the blocking of spells. same rules apply. so without SB up, you will not block all spells.
besides which, 100% shield block uptime is absolutely achievable so you shouldn't be concerned about this
if you aren't getting 100% effective shield block uptime then that's the single best defensive improvement you can make to your gameplay!
does anyone have any clever tips for dealing with the stealthed zealot patrol after the 3 bugs in HOI? just a complete roulette trying to find them without getting stunned
near walrus
i usually pull the 3 bugs with the 1st stealthed zealot with the frog so when they are dead the other zealot are either on top of the stairs or at the very bottom
tepid nest
i wonder if they start in a consistent place at the start of the dungeon. could cook the most INSANE patrol weakaura to track their position
frosty mango
That thunder drake in RLP, is there anything I can do to stop him from moving co...
Directly behind him thereās a cart, and on the cart if you jam yourself between the side of the cart and the little handle sticking out, he wonāt move you at all and he generally wonāt move
I say generally because his hitbox is janky so he tends to slide around some
median tulip
I see, okay, that makes sense. Only reason I am not doing sim isbecause sims can...
Your DPS rotation and your survivability rotation are basically the same thing; doing your rotation optimally maximises your cooldown reduction with Anger Management and therefore your Violent Outburst, Indomitable, Thunderlord, Ravager, Shield Charge and everything else use
tepid nest
the rage feedback machine is what makes this spec so incredibly satisfying to play
tribal wharf
charge button and revenge procs randomly, you hit it, crits targets, exceute same thing hit it big juicy hit, all while blocking,parrying dr attacks, is why pwar gameplay appealing
to me at least thats a style of gameplay you don't have to know it to learn it just pick up and do
maybe i'll come back this month, there is yogi trinkets in this season
literal all i care about
echo egret
I say generally because his hitbox is janky so he tends to slide around some
yeah that's the awful part, and DPS get fried because of his constant left/right movement
frosty mango
yeah that's the awful part, and DPS get fried because of his constant left/right...
thats a dps problem
its only got one bad side, avoid face
they have legs
you should spin the dragon in circles to display your dominance
echo egret
to be faire it's quite group-dependant. I just had one run with 10 dead on this drake, and another with 0.
tribal wharf
should characters marked as tank get an XX% hit box increase while in group/dungeon/raid? cuz they got more HP for 1
oh well, no big deal, (cuz i'll probably race change to earthen whenever thats possible)
royal marten
Double down, go mechagnome/goblin
frosty mango
As long as dwarf has bleed remove it will forever be the choice
blazing condor
cant remove the mental bleeding that comes from having to be a dwarf
limpid ruin
Thatās been my big issue with going dwarf tbh
plush tendon
Thatās been my big issue with going dwarf tbh
but look how cool Bjoing is gonna look!
hardy snow
this new tier would look much better withouth these horns
limpid ruin
We both know Iām never going to see bjoing 
. Just more meta bdk and vdh
pallid quiver
+9 hoi timer failed, but we still cleared in the end
got yelled at for not keeping aggro on the small frogs for frog boss since they kept killing the dps
Also, normal dorf heritage much more powerful
I'm not a major fan of tons of horns/spikes on things
limpid ruin
thatās certainly some interesting feedback
pallid quiver
Smaller ones are fine, but big ol' massive ones are awkward
The ones on normal dorf heritage are base pushing my limits
plush tendon
We both know Iām never going to see bjoing <:sadge:820202363359854633> . Just mo...
we cant have two prot warriors!
im just a backup batleshout
limpid ruin
Not with that attitude! We can just force it 
pallid quiver
Just infect this "Tony" with a brain parasite that adjusts their mental faculties
echo egret
+9 hoi timer failed, but we still cleared in the end
got yelled at for not keep...
How DPS say they have no clue without saying they have no clue
tribal wharf
like, theres not alot that looks wise terms of armor that makes BDK or any 2h dk look like a ret paladin or dps warrior
its only when you add the spell effects, you know oh thats a dk
i think that problem is even worse for monk personally
south zealot
That thunder drake in RLP, is there anything I can do to stop him from moving co...
skip thunder, only do fire
south zealot
Can you guys help me with Ulduman route?
this is what i do
its a pretty advanced route
stoic smelt
Pulls 3/4 Iād change a bit rest looks good
wat is wrong wit pull #3? is that not wat everyone does?
grim pilot
2-4* Iād grab crocs either with pull 1 or with the lost dwarves
And then take rest of pull 2 into pull 4
Chain to berserkers last second, prio down final caster and go boss
lusty kernel
Pull crocs with pull 3 imo
south zealot
i dont do 3 with crocs in pugs bc ppl will die to carapace going off
and i dont trust ppl
tepid nest
this is what i do
possibly not doing keys quite as high as you but i like to pull those 2 basilisks onto dwarves, with the same berserker pack you take, and i combine the other half of pull 2 with all of pull 4
that's 2 huge back to back pulls if you're going bromach first tho
i tanked it like that on a 15 tho (we didn't time it due to other issues tho š¢ )
south zealot
no reason to ever go bromach first
tepid nest
sure there is, bromach is a pug killer on tyrannical, dwarves are a complete joke
takes ~3mins to get to bromach with those 2 pulls
south zealot
you lust firs tpull always
tepid nest
on tyrannical? i mean if you did, ye, no point in going bromach first
grim pilot
U lust first pull so u get lust on 3rd boss
south zealot
on pull
so u can lust the adds being stunned
throw a shockwave they are stunned for like 5 secodns so the cleave guys die
and then u can just run around for a bit while the other ones die too
tepid nest
you talking about the first pull? i didnt even realise anything cleaved in that pull š
grim pilot
throw a shockwave they are stunned for like 5 secodns so the cleave guys die
I did that pull on my magus and tank had like negative agro
grim pilot
you talking about the first pull? i didnt even realise anything cleaved in that ...
Custodians with 3rd boss
tepid nest
oh you pull that all into boss? thats smart
grim pilot
I did that pull on my magus and tank had like negative agro
I was tanking 1 of them for 20 seconds
Yes because sp and mage just full blast boss
So by the time theyre dead
Boss is at least at 60%
Maybe even 40% but all depends on week key level etc
tepid nest
idk still tho, maybe i am getting dog groups but bromach kills so many runs on tyrannical in that key
even with lust
grim pilot
Mage loses tiny bit boss dam (maybe, idk the exact math between more fire blast resets vs losing intensifying flame) but sp gets good funnel so the boss gets fucked
tepid nest
i mean i know that i am not getting the best groups tbf, i always run my own key and i'm sure as a ~3k rio prot war i am not getting stellar signs
south zealot
bromach does kill a lot of uldamans youre not wrong
pallid quiver
But on the bright side, usually if the group can't handle Bromach, last boss would mirk that group
tepid nest
But on the bright side, usually if the group can't handle Bromach, last boss wou...
ye thats true... separating the wheat from the chaff (spelling?)
crystal iris
this is what i do
This is Indeed completely fucked
How do you even survive grouping that first pull
And all the bites
south zealot
go here to los the last casters you pull
south zealot
11 ans 12 are terrifying too
kick one if someone doesnt kick the other u kind of dont get it grouped
but also if noone kicks that the key is probably fucked anyway lol
crystal iris
I feel like all of these pulls are 1 DPS dying away from a full wipe
Like Iām not sure I could survive this route
The pull onto stun boss scary as fk too
I donāt even want to pull one onto there much less 3
Itās like they donāt hurt until they really fkn do
And the first pull you have like 4 basiliscs
south zealot
you absolutely cannot take a bleed from then
crystal iris
So stun or out range the bleed?
south zealot
let it start casting on you, walk out of range
repeat for like 2 minutes until they die
or you can also just run out of raneg the whole time
crystal iris
Do they ever sync up?
mellow bridge
yes
if you do it properly, theyre all synced
then it's literally just wait for the cast to start, outrange, wait, outrange, wait etc
crystal iris
What is Ā«Ā properlyĀ Ā»
mellow bridge
they will naturally sync up after a while
crystal iris
Like can you just stun them all and the next cast will sync?
mellow bridge
because it never goes on CD
so if you pull them one by one
and outrange each individual cast right from the start
they will sync up after a bit
and if your ever in trouble because of storming or w/e you just shockwave em
south zealot
yes as soon as ur back in melee
crystal iris
Is it ok to run a heroic chest death from s3 lol
crystal iris
I mean no way Iām trying that without a chest
jagged pier
but running dread or treemouth si 100% better
crystal iris
But 40 ilvl diff feels bad
jagged pier
yer thats not very good
crystal iris
Iām not a prot main
Bullions are tight
Ive got anvil puzzle blazebinder icon eye of the storm augury tree mouth granite whispering incarnate
I usually run treenouth + incarnate when Iām not a wimp
And if another DPS has one
Hoping for a dreadplates next week
crystal iris
The real wimp setup is s3 cheat + treenouth haha
Cheat is such a key saver though
Just now in AA I pull everything we lust and I get storminged up into a swirly 5s stun
Thank god I had aggro
Would have been embarassing
jagged pier
š¤· seems like confirmation bias u shouldnt be hit by storming int he first place
but u want to run it run it
crystal iris
Well idk in theory sure
But shit happens
And thereās a lot going on at the start there
jagged pier
not really u rave one side as u run through the other stand in the middle TC ava TR u have all aggro
no inturpts to do in that pack
all just moving out of things
crystal iris
I usually heroic throw one side taunt the rear and throw the other side
Then stand in middle and drop ravager so everything runs I to it
Then dƩfensives offensives aoe taunt
Trying to aggro the bugs
Iām gonna brick so many ulsumans trying to learn that route
radiant mortar
even on fort?
crystal mauve
even on fort?
You usually do this for better lust timing on Tyra, on fort you can lust 1st pull if big enough and continue to dwarfs
radiant mortar
arnt dwarfs the first boss?
crystal mauve
Yes, so Tyra you go 2nd boss > 1st boss > 3rd boss and you lust 2nd boss. Fort you just lust 1st pull and continue in the normal boss order
jagged pier
meh ive had dps pugs scream at me on fort u go 2nd boss first
š¤·
i cba to argue
doesnt matter anyway still time
crystal iris
meh ive had dps pugs scream at me on fort u go 2nd boss first
so youre not lusting first pull then I guess
they just say that bc thats what every pug group does
radiant mortar
crystal iris
how do you survive this on fort week?
is there a spot I need to take them for DPS to LOS?
radiant mortar
or go even bigger
jagged pier
u as tank should be judge what you and your group can take
potent anvil
I was a minute off +2'ing a 15 uldaman by holding w. Went first boss first after the beginning pull. Just blast
fallen lichen
Must say I really love prot this season. Double bsl with 60-90% uptime in dungeons. 300-400k overalls. Just missing that sweet āsure Iāll do 7 aoe cc in a row, Iām a dhā type of cc.
radiant mortar
maybe dps should press W more often
median tulip
In my experience someone in the DPS will bitch and moan no matter what you decide to do
radiant mortar
its their role
median tulip
So you might as well just do whatever you want and let them go fucking hang
radiant mortar
would be wrong to not be yapping
crystal iris
u as tank should be judge what you and your group can take
No I know I was just wondering if there was some special tech or pillar you tank near so that group can LOS
jagged pier
healer heal
radiant mortar
no healer dps
median tulip
I'm not particularly open to giving a fuck what DPS_Mouthbreath#238734 thinks about anything
If he wants to be entitled to an opinion he shoould be playing Tank or Healer
rigid hull
In my experience someone in the DPS will bitch and moan no matter what you decid...
worst thing for me is some dps pulling more mobs
radiant mortar
"healer"
median tulip
worst thing for me is some dps pulling more mobs
If one of them starts doing that I usually try to let them die before I pick up the mobs.
rigid hull
If one of them starts doing that I usually try to let them die before I pick up ...
good technique actually xd
rigid hull
If one of them starts doing that I usually try to let them die before I pick up ...
i was doing this nokhud
3rd area
i pulled 4 mob patrol into another pack
then someone decided to pull the ones below the hill aswell
good one mr dps
median tulip
Especially if they pull stuff I was avoiding. I had an Evoker pull a pack with an extra hunter in it in Neltharus. Gee, fukn thanks bro, I wasn't avoiding pulling that at all. Now watch it kill some clothie.
obsidian girder
Hey, just started twinking my 480ish prot warrior. Will only play m+.
Looted my first 3 bullion sets today, should I buy weapon+shield+fire damage Ring or does those trinkets go first anywhere ?
south zealot
Hey, just started twinking my 480ish prot warrior. Will only play m+.
Looted my ...
weapon fire ring trinket of your choice
craft a shield
obsidian girder
Kk
median tulip
Hey, just started twinking my 480ish prot warrior. Will only play m+.
Looted my ...
Gholak and Seal of Diurna's Chosen for sure
obsidian girder
Forth then second trinket and then shield Ring i guess
south zealot
i recommend enduring dreadplates for all keys
south zealot
Forth then second trinket and then shield Ring i guess
yeah thats what id do
obsidian girder
i recommend enduring dreadplates for all keys
Why this above double fyrakk?
south zealot
fyrakk tank trinket does worse damage and is arguable worse defensively
jagged pier
cause doubel fyrakk is bad
median tulip
I got Cataclysmic Signet Brand and Fyrakk's Tainted Rageheart as drops, so I haven't bullioned any trinkets
gilded bear
Is there any macro that you guys don't live without? I noticed I don't use many as a warr besides "focus" things. Also does someone actually use that SS + IP macro from wow head guide?
south zealot
augury does great damage but it doesnt have mainstat
south zealot
Is there any macro that you guys don't live without? I noticed I don't use many ...
you dont need any macros
the ip ss macro is just your ignore pain keybind, but makes sure you dont miss out on any ss procs
you dont need it but its fine to have
jagged pier
Is there any macro that you guys don't live without? I noticed I don't use many ...
there isnt one to live by
and its IP + SS
because it replaces your IP bind
not SS
u still have that button
its just there to snipe resets
radiant mortar
is that nikosucks
it is and he is even if he is a bit dented xD
gilded bear
the ip ss macro is just your ignore pain keybind, but makes sure you dont miss o...
Ohh, that might fix the problem I have that I was talking to you another day lol
Thanks for the answers
median tulip
Is there any macro that you guys don't live without? I noticed I don't use many ...
I use the Shield Slam reset sniper macro, on both IP and Shield Block. Works well. I also macro my racial into Avatar. And I have two Ravager macros; one that casts it with an {at}Player condition, and one that casts with {at}cursor
Oh and I have mouseover Pummel, Charge and Shield Charge ofc
austere oar
What if you don't want to spend rage when SSing
south zealot
only press it when you want to use ignore pain
obsidian girder
cause doubel fyrakk is bad
So rage heart and plate is the way to go?
gilded bear
What if you don't want to spend rage when SSing
Check what Jake said
south zealot
So rage heart and plate is the way to go?
dreadplate and anvil/signet brand for damage and general m+ use. can use alltotem for a passive equip and forget option
median tulip
What if you don't want to spend rage when SSing
You don't replace your Shield Slam keybind with it; you replace your Ignore Pain keybind (and Shield Block, in the case of doing that with a snipe macro). The idea is to snipe resets.
jagged pier
So rage heart and plate is the way to go?
no rageheart isnt the way to go
south zealot
or use dreadplates and treemouth for defensive use in m+
obsidian girder
Oo
south zealot
but treemouth is usually overkill its for high keys only bc how super big the shield is
south zealot
wdym
jagged pier
no
they are good trinkets
u dont need defensive trinkets
and havent for a long time
obsidian girder
Okay
median tulip
Anvil and Signet both have the same issue, which is that several of this season's keys are deeply unfriendly to keeping stacks up
south zealot
you get fucked in ruby and nokhud other than that you can keep it up
still does a ton if damage even with the drops
fallen lichen
you get fucked in ruby and nokhud other than that you can keep it up
Neltharus with critters removed is harder too
obsidian girder
Anvil and enduring looks nice for me
median tulip
it honestly doesn't matter very much
obsidian girder
Had signet last season as arms somewhere, wasn't happy
pallid quiver
u as tank should be judge what you and your group can take
but jakey, what if my group can't take 2 mobs without dying
median tulip
People gibber about the differences but at the end of the day they are fractions of a % and irrelevant compared to the all powerful choice of "playing well"
jagged pier
but jakey, what if my group can't take 2 mobs without dying
then u pull 1
pallid quiver
i wish i had poly smh
obsidian girder
Biggest benefit for me is that signet would be completely passive
south zealot
Neltharus with critters removed is harder too
its hardwr but no forced drops
pallid quiver
instruction unclear, i killed both because group was already dead before i could even kill one
south zealot
possible to keep it up
pallid quiver
The HoI I was in earlier was something; once it 100% wasn't gonna time I just pulled what I would live solo and would go fastest. if the party died they died
obsidian girder
Archon is a trap, everyone there wears rage heart and augury š
radiant mortar
you get fucked in ruby and nokhud other than that you can keep it up
how do you keep it up bewteen treemouth and gut shot?
do you pull one of the pats?'
south zealot
pull stinkbreath and the invisible guys
they dont do anything anymore
i think they used to aoe poison but now its just on the tnak
unless im making shit up
pallid quiver
That's also a good point to use worn doll to extend combat, as well, since everywhere else in Brack is constant punch
median tulip
I might get a Screaming Black Dragonscale, just to use it in Nokhud
obsidian girder
Maybe a question towards crafts on pure m+. Still bracers + lariat ?
south zealot
double shadowflame
pallid quiver
hasn't been lariat for a long while
median tulip
I have SFlame Bracers and Lariat
pallid quiver
If you have it it's fine, not that much of a difference
obsidian girder
Ah I guess this is old arms gear of mineš
pallid quiver
but it does require a lot of gems to be usable
obsidian girder
So double sflame ?
pallid quiver
Yep, double shadowflame on cloak/wrists
median tulip
Lariat is (IF you have full gems) slight better defensively, and slightly better in AoE IIRC, while SFlame is better in ST offense
pallid quiver
since those are the lowest impact pieces with mainstat
obsidian girder
Okay got you
median tulip
The differences are INCREDIBLY minor
pallid quiver
^^^
pallid quiver
Having an embel at all and having it work is close enough; if you play DPS, I'd recommend just rocking the DPS recommended embels
median tulip
I've had SHIT vaults so far this season, so I have full gems
gilded bear
Anyone here running HR to tell me how it feels? And how much haste you are using for it
pallid quiver
do you mean ITF
gilded bear
I mean't HR, I use ITF
near walrus
you use HR if you are below 5400 haste
gilded bear
Never gonna use it then lol
knotty stump
Guild mate just ran with this guy in an 11 AV
The top trinket is Tome of Unstable Power
Is this odd? It feels odd.
jagged pier
your friend is loosing a lot of main stat
frosty mango
Anvil and Signet both have the same issue, which is that several of this season'...
the only key I can't keep anvil up in is nokud
knotty stump
It was just a rando, but yea, the loss in strength couldn't hardly be worth the damage from the trinket
pallid quiver
you see the funny block stat tho?
or do you mean farm for that instead of nym
if the latter, either is fine, since we'll end up balancing crit and vers for optimal stat distribution with best gear
Though the single most important thing would be to get a Myth track shield
chilly brook
do i just go for this shield?
You go for whatever shield you can get at highest ilvl
You can care about stats later
The secondary stats are nothing to you compared to the block stat
rigid hull
The secondary stats are nothing to you compared to the block stat
4/4 MYTh then
ive never done a mythic raid tho
seems spooky
jagged pier
I mean u can get a myth track shield from vault, and this week and next week u can famr first bosses for it as they drop shields
rigid hull
is first boss ez?
jagged pier
Yes
median tulip
Gnarlroot mythic is a joke and you can do that this week
Literally the only difference from HC is that the channel happens more frequently so you have to take it to 10 stacks not 5
torn gulch
median tulip
Those die in seconds
tribal wharf
hes literally me
crystal iris
the only key I can't keep anvil up in is nokud
BH cages? and the skip
crystal iris
It was just a rando, but yea, the loss in strength couldn't hardly be worth the ...
What Ā«Ā spellĀ Ā» even procs it for us? on my mistweaver I need to take eye of the tiger talent because my regular melee abilities donāt trigger it
And for all the casters grinding for that trinket hereās a prot warrior who must have had it traded to him lol
crystal iris
BH cages? and the skip
AV book travel, AA going to last boss, AA after first boss, before and after bird boss, halls before and after third boss
frosty mango
BH cages? and the skip
What do you mean by cages
I just go keep pulling while someone goes and gets the last cage lol
crystal iris
Idk someone always forgets or the last one before the boss
frosty mango
You get 45s of extension
crystal iris
Only if itās off CD between pulls
frosty mango
15s ooc, 15s recast anvil, 15s doll
crystal iris
Isnāt it 15 x2
frosty mango
It should almost always be off cd when you need to extend, just donāt press it in combat if you know you have a an extension coming
Iām still trying to figure out nokhud I donāt think itās possible there
Tbh if you are bad at anvil uptime you can probably run augury and get a better result
rigid hull
is there a way to see SR damage in logs?
jovial heron
Hello, im curious as to why enduring dreadplates is simming so high and is it actually worth taking
cuz at first glance it seems so much worse than other trinkets but it just sims so high
frosty mango
Hello, im curious as to why enduring dreadplates is simming so high and is it ac...
It does a shitload of damage
It also makes you mostly immortal when itās up due to how warrior mitigation works
jovial heron
alright tysm
frosty mango
Like for example one use of it on target dummies for me is like 4.5m damage
south zealot
AV book travel, AA going to last boss, AA after first boss, before and after bir...
all of these are easily fixed by just using anvil
frosty mango
AV book travel, AA going to last boss, AA after first boss, before and after bir...
you can also use anvil while you are the book in av
south zealot
also you dont need to take the book anyway
frosty mango
in aa after first boss if you pull the boss to the back of the room and do it there you can leap to the bridge immediately after and be back in combat in like 3 seconds
cunning inlet
What is the current thinking on best DPS trink for M+ without the need to manage stacks ?
crystal iris
all of these are easily fixed by just using anvil
Yāa but this only works if itās off CD when the pack dies
south zealot
Yāa but this only works if itās off CD when the pack dies
dont macro it
frosty mango
Yāa but this only works if itās off CD when the pack dies
Youāre kind of missing the point
The cooldown is a minute so there are very few situations where it wonāt be off cd if you want it to be
You just donāt press it in combat
When you know youāll need to extend
lusty grotto
yeah if you want to min max anvil you absolutely cannot macro it
knowing when to hit it or worn dolling is required
frosty mango
What is the current thinking on best DPS trink for M+ without the need to manage...
Imo augury/dreadplate is probably the best nobrain combo
frosty mango
Really? I never used it much does it do more than augury?
frosty mango
I have it, just didnāt seem to average out to more
foggy hearth
cant decide augury or rageheart UGHH
lusty grotto
neither
all totem over augury
dreadplates over rageheart
farm a treemouth from BH if you need a defensive option as it is superior to rageheart
pallid olive
I fucking hate treemouth the damage it does to you can crit ā I died once when I popped it and it crit me for 1.1 mil
lusty grotto
do you have a log
pallid olive
Nah just had it on details
lusty grotto
idk that seems like bullshit to me
south zealot
lol i just started my own key, nobody in my group stopped anything, we die, everyone says nt and leaves
wtf was that
lusty grotto
not even close to half o a million
pallid olive
Unless details was bugged it definitely did
lusty grotto
maybe you had a damage taken bs
and it would have without you mitigating it
which is weird
lusty grotto
idk ive never had that happen
im checking logs too
both fully upgraded hero version, and fully upgraded myth version
thats about it
the highest hit there is 406k, not a crit
thats double its amount on a crit
so not anywhere close to 1.1 mil
13 uldaman btw
pallid olive
Again idk if there was an interaction with something else, but I pressed it and died, everyone in the group was like wtf was that, checked details and it said crit and showed 950k damage with 150k overkill
pallid olive
It was a RLP tyrann last boss
pallid olive
Alright then lesson learned donāt use it on that boss lol
lusty grotto
i mean you can
just not when you have the debuff up
which usually gets insta dispelled anyway
so thats on your healer
unless its afflicted week
they have absolutely jack shit to dispel there
except that
pallid olive
lol maybe, couldāve also hit trinket a second too late trying to put it up before hit
Character is cricky if you can find a log - looks like it was a 12 from my rio page
lusty grotto
lol ill look it up later, i think the mystery is solved though
pallid olive
Yeh
south zealot
too late class sucks i quit
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
Character is cricky if you can find a log - looks like it was a 12 from my rio p...
found it
south zealot
bruh
lusty grotto
people that dont read my nickname
sinful root
Mostly M+
lusty grotto
tall lance
Whatās the name of your chest ? transmog Blammy
tall lance
Ty
lusty grotto
so dont get rageheart
get something else
dreadplates, anvil, all totem, signet, manic grief are all solid buys
filial duty included unless youre extremely low on haste rating
and that just means you can get it later when youre doing ok on haste or w/e
violet ginkgo
then I think I'll get signet first at 11th then filial at 18th
contemplating if I should filial duty first or signet first but... guess let's do damage
still solar
what website was getting posted that had tank popularity, was tryna find it and couldn't
think it was just warcraft logs lol, i'm dumb
rigid hull
bros any tabard vendor i should visit?
heavy swift
custom tabard goated
violet ginkgo
Top 100 tank in M+ only 2 bear druid which basically 1 person (similar name), 1 prot pally, 1 prot warrior, the rest is VDH and blizzard be like "Perfectly Balance"
top 200 is adding 1 blood dk, 1 brewmaster and 1 more prot pally.
jagged pier
u are talking about the top > 0.1% of ppl
of course they choose the best thing
the classes in general for 99.9% of players are balanced fine
the only issue is the community 
its like in race to world first u literally see nearly the same too tanks all the time
but no one complains then
slightly difference tho as all tanks can clear the content
but u pretty much always see bdk monk prot pala
violet ginkgo
of course they choose the best thing
but I mean the "best" gap is just too large
jagged pier
not really seems about the same as ever
radiant mortar
all would be fine if pugs would ignore this meta stuff
radiant mortar
cunning inlet
In the right hands with the right team, which tank classes could do what ever the latest highest keys being done?
I know vdh are currently doing the highest. Is that because only they can? Or because the highest key player base are only using vdh so itās not been figured out on other classes? Or is it just not possible on tanks other than vdh?
jagged pier
its because its infinitly more difficult to do the keys with another tank
VDH provided too much utility to the group i.e stopping the needs for inturpts and stuns from dps in the most part
it also applies the 5% magic buff
and all classes at the top in most keys are magic
plus it does the most damage of all the tanks
cunning inlet
Yea. I am curious because like many of you, Iāve seen critcake cruising pug 17ās with a build optimized for dps as opposed to survival and control. Just seems like with a coordinated group, 20s would be possible.
But Iām not the best so might not understand what Iām looking at.
jagged pier
yer they are possible but u have to think the ppl doing those lvls even if pugging but they are mostly groups so why make it harder on themselves
like theres no point to bring any other spec than a vdh if u really want to push, sure u can, but in pugs or a corrdinated group your just making your life harder. and not syaing it is the case but usually the ppl doing these lvls just care about pushing further not what class they are playing so why not play best
blazing condor
And pwarr isnt really that type of class where people are āso much better at pwarr than other tanks so it makes sense to bring that one insteadā
Cus ppl dont rly play pwarr
lament musk
Yea. I am curious because like many of you, Iāve seen critcake cruising pug 17ā...
it's definitely not the right play to go heavy dps build like ive been doing
be good and pick up shockwave and disrupting
onyx vessel
I mean critcake doing 16s people know what stops are and interrupts lesser keys no1 uses those dps loss
blazing condor
Thats cope
Truth is everyone is shit at every level
Since it becomes way more demanding
inner flume
Hey fellow warriors, i just started tanking and i am having a hard time. I do low keys and have 490 ilvl. Is it better to just tank all time on def stance till i have better gear? Or do i just need to improve my rotation?
jagged pier
mostly likely u will need to improve your rotation
but cant say what u are doing wrong without logs
inner flume
Ye for sure i am doing things wrong. Will check some videos later, any recommadation?
blazing condor
we usually recommend the written guides on wowhead / icyveins
native skiff
looking for pwar guides or general tanking stuff? dungeons?
keen scaffold
What's the sorta haste cap for prot warrs in mop remix bc i hae like 156% haste lmaooo
blazing condor
no reason to care about stats in remix cus you're juiced the fuck out regardless
just send it
jagged pier
u pretty much hit cap in all stats
keen scaffold
Bet okay
jagged pier
my recommendation
just put what ever stat u like most of in your and legs
as they other places give no stats
jagged pier
that being said im full haste gems in the big slots
brah
what part of u hit cap
do u not get
keen scaffold
oh
jagged pier
u hit max cap on everything
jagged pier
if anything eventually u will be full vers gems pretty much
because u get the least amount of stat out of rating for it
keen scaffold
Makes sense okay yee
jagged pier
like thats what ive done
got to close to 100% haste un buffed as possible
like not point in crit already at 70%
blazing condor
wouldn't 70>100% crit be more dmg than 70>100% haste?
jagged pier
havent endless SS feels cool tho
get procs on procs
and if not like the cd is the gcd
cause lots of other things buff haste
stiff wagon
Hey, question for enchants, I run mythics mainly.
For 1H - is it sophic devotion still or wafting now?
For boots - is it plainsrunner's or watcher's loam?
radiant mortar
99% haste must feel weird
stiff wagon
How come?
stiff wagon
Isn't that a good thing?
radiant mortar
I can remember the good old StM Shadow, at some point you had so much haste that pressing buttons was hard
radiant mortar
Isn't that a good thing?
No I dont think so
radiant mortar
sure for remix its what ever
median tulip
Ugh
Fkn DPS that don't interrupt
The ONLY reason to invite melee DPS is the shorter CD kick; DO YOUR JOB, idiot DH
./rant
stiff wagon
@median tulip I fel your pain! I feel it in my bones! š¦
crystal iris
anyone else have the RLP last boss WA not work when tanking?
radiant mortar
there is a WA for last boss in RLP?
crystal iris
there is a WA for last boss in RLP?
yeah it tells you where to bring the fire so that the winde push it away from group
usually works well as DPS
also I just ran this EXACT route in there and was short 1.5% and I cant figure out what I missed
like it couldnt have been the little fire guys... IDK theres not much to miss in there
crystal iris
I mean i would have had to forget a LOT of them its like 0.15 each
and even if I forgot to pull them in pull 2 they would have aggroed when we walked over to 3
median tulip
Did you manage to skip that one chillweaver that usually comes with the Lieutenant guy before the first boss?
crystal iris
Did you manage to skip that one chillweaver that usually comes with the Lieutena...
this guy?
I mean we walked right by him he would have pulled no?
pretty sure i actually taunted him in with the second pull
also god damn those first 2 pulls hurt
radiant mortar
shoudlnt you have more than 100'% with the whelps you pull?
so even weirder that you missed %
crystal iris
should have been 101%
I mean that second pull i basically chuck a titanic throw at one mob and LOS it
median tulip
I'mm be honest I mostly just hold W in RLP
crystal iris
but we walk by there anyway so idk how i missed
hunter called me a lazy tank without a route
radiant mortar
leaden shard
hunter called me a lazy tank without a route
lazy tank
violet ginkgo
not every cooldown, but some cooldown affected by haste.
median tulip
Importantly it does affect Shield Block
plush path
ty
one more question
sometimes in combat i see demo shout cd going off by like 5-10 sec
what makes demo shout cd decrease?
violet ginkgo
thunderlord talent, used in M+ setting
median tulip
what makes demo shout cd decrease?
plush path
damn
plush path
if i get an item that gives haste + mastery and an item that gives crit + vers which one do i take
violet ginkgo
People will just say sim it XD but if you are not hitting high haste yet just take the haste/mastery
plush tendon
I would go with the haste
especially if you run Durina Ring and Brood ring
once I get above 6k haste I feel pretty good, but below that and Im like
crystal iris
any tips for keeping DPS alive in Nelth?
feels like the trash and the hunter leaps are nuking ppl
grim pilot
crystal iris
dont really have a choice for the 2 before boss at least
violet ginkgo
pull everything for the % 
plush tendon
I pull everything on the left side before Magmatusk
south zealot
you cant do that
plush path
why
strong forum
dĆfferent gate
plush path
yes but i just needed 1 point
strong forum
so you dont have 8 points below the 3rd gate?
plush path
wdym
strong forum
there are 3 gates
south zealot
show the full page
plush path
south zealot
missing shield charge talent
plush path
i found it on method website i just changed 1 talent
plush path
typ[e shit it was someone elses build
strong forum
anywho
the method builds are also outdated
not entirely wrong but just outdated
you can use the builds linked in the pins here
or from wowhead
plush path
well i just do keys with my friends
strong forum
push m+ build will work just fine
strong forum
exactly what it implies
plush path
yes
strong forum
overkill tankiness
strong forum
i guess yeah
plush path
ty pookie bear
strong forum
hey only my 34 closest friends can call me pookie bear!
strong forum
both are interchangable
plush path
what does that mean
oh like either works
tpye shit type shit
and can i change bounding stride for pain and gain
fickle geyser
either works and are not very impactful
jagged pier
if your sturggling in tens with that ilvl, the impossible to die build might help you, but there is definatly something underlying u are doing wrong
plush path
yes i realised i wasnt using demo shout and shield wall enough
and wasnt keeping much focus on shield block / ignore pain uptime
strong forum
bounding brings more QoL
Pain and gain brings
borderline irrelevant amounts of healing
radiant mortar
if your sturggling in tens with that ilvl, the impossible to die build might hel...
thinking of going with that build to lose the fear of big pulls
radiant mortar
Logs are like a record of your key that show when you pressed which button, etc.
Once you have one of these any time you enter a zone where you might want a log (ie dungeon/raid/pvp) these addons will automatically start logging (in the case of ERT you have to activate automated logging in the options).
Alternatively if you donāt want to install an addon for it, whenever you are going to do an activity you want to log type /combatlog in chat to start logging said activity.
Remember to activate advanced logging in the options
All these options will store your logs in your wow file inside the retail folder and the log file.
Second, go here (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/client/download) download the client. Select the upload section of the client, select the upload a log button and select the fight youāre interested in putting up as a log and boom(kin) youāre done.
Third, once youāve done all this, your log is uploaded you can put it up here and we can look at it together to see if youāre doing something wrong.```a small and quick guide on how to start
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Mkd2PgatKCw9jq8H thats how logs looks like
plush path
oen sec
tribal wharf
loggerhead addon i endorse
if whatever that addon does isnt patched onto wow log site yet, is good, encapsulates each key run
radiant mortar
make sure that you only have one addon that autologs
if you have two or more they can block each other
tribal wharf
there is a desktop app to upload logs
radiant mortar
there is a desktop app to upload logs
its mentioned in the guide under second
jagged pier
they bad
plush path
hi
could anyone help me what im doing wrong
im 512 item lvl and i struggle on +10 keys
i use demo shout whenever i can and i try to pay attention to ignore pain and shield block uptime
should i spam ignore pain whenevber i have rage?
and sometimes that doesnt even help
i see other ppl tanking +14 and higher keys at my ilvl
plush path
i forgor to download
radiant mortar
wait you are the person I posted the guide too
plush path
yes
radiant mortar
hard to help than I would say
pallid quiver
im 512 item lvl and i struggle on +10 keys
There's something wrong with your base gameplay that we can't tell you specifically what without logs
crystal iris
should i spam ignore pain whenevber i have rage?
yes
pallid quiver
Could be anywhere from getting hit in the back, overusing IP, underusing IP, not actually keeping SB up, not interrupting/CD'ing important casts, wrong rotation prio, not using CDs on CD,
south zealot
log your gameplay
generally if you just make sure you are using ss whenever you can, you should be fine
crystal iris
technically not like whenever you have rage. But if either thunderclap or shield slam are available to press and you are over like 70-80 rage press IP, youre going to be pressing it a LOT
pallid quiver
Until you do get those logs set up or send a video of your play, there's not much wr can do to help
lusty grotto
i see other ppl tanking +14 and higher keys at my ilvl
whats your name
your characters name
and server
you gotta give us some info man, or else we cant help you @plush path
plush path
ill try to set up these logs
lusty grotto
name and server
crystal iris
anyone have a good nelth route?
lusty grotto
we can try to look you up to see if anyone has logged your runs
nelth is just do everything except hunters
skip as many of them as you can
thats it
lusty grotto
youve only done 6 keys?
completed 3 HoIs, 2 Nelths, 1 Uldaman, 1 AA
7 keys?
EU right?
nobody has logged your keys
plush path
no i did like 40 keys
but i only started retail like 2 weeks ago
i came from classic
lusty grotto
uhhh
yeah i guess its not updated on WCL
well we cant say much without logs
but you gotta keep shield block up
plush path
lusty grotto
as close to 100% as possible
SHIELD BLOCK
the rest you just send on CD, you spam IP as a rage dump with over 60/70 rage
plush path
i nead loggerhead addon from curseforge?
lusty grotto
you need a logger yes
it can be that one, or r.io or MRT or DBM/bigwigs
all of those have logging options
radiant mortar
Logs are like a record of your key that show when you pressed which button, etc.
follow this
lusty grotto
BTW do not DM me
i dont pay attention to DMs
if you need to ask something about warriors ask it here
lusty grotto
im not the only guy in this channel
lusty grotto
radiant mortar
it makes stuff easier
lusty grotto
a lot of those work
radiant mortar
make sure to only have one add-on that logs
lusty grotto
just pick whatever is simplest
radiant mortar
otherwise they can block each other
lusty grotto
and this
plush path
bruh this shit complicated af š
radiant mortar
That's why I posted a wall of text that holds your hand
lusty grotto
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/client/download download this
radiant mortar
Nim I send him a full step by step guide...
lusty grotto
no
you sent him a guide to live log
there's a big weird step in there
in case you do NOT want to live log
i never live log
i always upload after
radiant mortar
... sorry I somehow thought people would get that to upload they need to press upload
tribal wharf
is it we are d tier again this season and the dungeons all sucks for us to tank? i know i hate ulda and i think theres another bad one there cant think of it
lusty grotto
this part is wrong
tribal wharf
theres the nelth one i think is in rotation i dont like but i dont mind it, and i loathe rlp
lusty grotto
is it we are d tier again this season and the dungeons all sucks for us to tank?...
nope
we're just not VDH
its S tier VDH, A tier everyone else
radiant mortar
man I didn't see that one .. the launcher is updated so often
south zealot
prot is arguably the 2nd best tank right now
but like
all the tanks are very close
lusty grotto
āļø
tribal wharf
i just remember ulda being very traumatic last time i visited
south zealot
vdh isnt multiple tiers above also, they are better but you are not forced to be a vdh
radiant mortar
this part is wrong
fixed it, say select upload section to upload now
tribal wharf
i got no hot takes this time i just suck at those dungeons
lusty grotto
bruh this shit complicated af š
what part are you stuck in?
lets go step by step
plush path
can u check dm for a sec
plush path
lusty grotto
i have no idea what that means
plush path
idk either
lusty grotto
im NA
plush path
it just looks funny
well i kinda understand it now\
i only have one reason why i didnt do it but thats just me
lusty grotto
did you enable advanced combat logging in WoW's options?
pallid quiver
it can be that one, or r.io or MRT or DBM/bigwigs
tho my bigwigs started throwing a fit for M+ and quitting logging after i killed the first boss in a dungeon recently
plush path
its that i have to download some random program to upload my files; i know it most likely safe but i dont like to install random stuff like that
lusty grotto
its safe
plush path
is there any workaround like manually uploading through a website?
lusty grotto
no
plush path
š¦
lusty grotto
its a safe program, im a Software Engineer irl
pallid quiver
The Warcraft Logs app is what takes the text files and puts it up in a way that's cool with the Warcraft Logs site
lusty grotto
you absolutely need it to upload logs, there's no other way
pallid quiver
If you don't trust the program, you shouldn't trust the website, either
lusty grotto
correct
and the website is trusted on CE guilds and r1 people, and all community sites
and has no underlying access to your computer
it runs on electron
pallid quiver
I mena one of those I wouldn't auto-trust their trust, but the sheer force behind CE guilds as a whole gives merit, considering how many software people there are
But yeah, I'll also vouch for the program
lusty grotto
yeah considering CE guilds dont want hijacked PCs during a race to world first
etc
its healthy to be paranoid with programs on the internet, but this one is safe
crystal iris
I just tried out that ulduman route in a 7 and holy shit
the pull with the 3 custodians is SO scary
lusty grotto
huh
strong forum
You're not supposed to tank them
lusty grotto
you stutter step them
its not scary at all its easy af
probably the easiest pull in uldaman
lusty grotto
I just tried out that ulduman route in a 7 and holy shit
1 year old video btw
its also not a cheese
crystal iris
lusty grotto
i mean
crystal iris
You're not supposed to tank them
No I know, I just kept losing track of their cast so i basically kited them the whole time
lusty grotto
the bleed is a frontal
crystal iris
it was just a 7 I told them I was trying shit out
lusty grotto
if you stutter step them
and a melee is in front
they will get deleted
by the custodians
idk thats a grief pull
if you dont have a team its highly un-needed
crystal iris
true