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#protection
warm plinth
lusty grotto
I AINT MOVING FROM MY LEY LINES
lusty grotto
i still find funny
when healers rescue you
out of them
cause every single Black Mage will rage
myself included
but its still fucking funny
both emotions at the same time
lusty grotto
yea
winged slate
I raged in an earlier season when in my rune of power and someone rescued me
tribal wharf
im scared
winged slate
Thank god that's gone
opaque quest
Thank you very much but i hope you die 
tribal wharf
key aint begun yet
lusty grotto
ahh yes rune of power
tribal wharf
someone hold me
lusty grotto
thats probably closer to ley lines than consecration
but yeah im glad its gone
wish xiv would take a hint
winged slate
I'm surprised they haven't at least glued consecration to your feet
That used to be a glyph or something
opaque quest
That would be pretty cool ngl
Yea
Pretty sure it was the legion artifact
Or maybe not cause i cant find it
tribal wharf
w\
tribal wharf
okay im done for the night
lusty grotto
yogi thats probably not your fault?
opaque quest
Skillfull gameplay in classic l m f a o
tribal wharf
gg
opaque quest
instantly forgotten
opaque quest
@winged slate hope youre not mad i was just fucking with you
I get your point
Better to have 2 ppl prevent my death than 1
Just no touchy BDK pleasi
warm plinth
:think:
lusty grotto
you should have stayed
warm plinth
Like, the first time?
lusty grotto
DHT has a very forgiving timer
winged slate
Just run it back, break it into two pulls, gaming
lusty grotto
ember is dogshit
so yes
ursine is miles better for prot
prot doesnt want ember
ever
obviously keep it for fury
marsh axle
yeah, i use for fury
lusty grotto
strong forum
you guys recomend this over this?
gift is better than ember yes
lusty grotto
gn gn
fickle hare
Is there anyone that can help me out, struggling with survivability on my prot warrior at the moment at the 24 and above key range, not sure what I can improve
(aside from rerolling to vengeance)
Is there any tools available that can sim endurance or something
strong forum
you cant sim defensives
you can only improve by pressing your buttons better and by knowing every single mechanic in a key
and how to deal with it
easiest way to figure out which buttons youre not pressing enough or are pressing too often is by getting logs
and have someone look over them
i can say from my experience that pwar takes, what feels to me, like 0 dmg in keys
atleast in the 28/29s that ive done
fickle hare
Not sure what I am doing wrong, I take 0 dmg and occasionally just get randomly 100 to 0'd, guess I should start logging it over 😕
strong forum
there are no random 100-0s
its all predictable
whats going on and what is or isnt happening
that being said
this week especially is turbo punishing for tanks
but also the best week to learn tanking
cuz you get taught by brute force what happens if you do a mistake
and which mechanics exist or dont exist
nova rover
Not sure what I am doing wrong, I take 0 dmg and occasionally just get randomly ...
Are mobs hitting ya from behind?
strong forum
so yeah the best and quickest way to figure things out is bringing logs
so get working on that and come back 
then we'll have a look
fickle hare
before I do that if someone may
Could someone see if there is something I should change gem/stat wise here https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/kazzak/Copeprot
I have only picked up prot recently and was watching pika for a while
strong forum
tiny bit too much haste and very little crit
aside from that stats have VERY little impact over your survivability
98%+ of your survivability comes from pressing buttons in the correct order
like this is the gear i can quite comfortably tank 29s with
or 31s
if i had the keys for that
warm plinth
Not even 13.63% vers, smh
fickle hare
hmm alright good to know
strong forum
ill start working on the wowhead guide in the coming days/weeks
maybe i can flesh it out a bit more
fickle hare
the other issue I've been having as goofy as it sounds is with aggro, especially with very upfront burst classes when no aoe taunt is available
strong forum
yeah
it is a common issue
but best solution is just playing extremely aggressively
cuz i myself havent really had that issue
but i also play VERY aggressively
use aoe taunt rotationally
send CDs often and early
fickle hare
do you think I should run a dps trinket like signet to off set it?
strong forum
signet is a single target dps trinket
fickle hare
because rn I use either stonescales or rezans
fickle hare
ye it's pretty disgusting
strong forum
if youre confident you dont need to run cheat death
like i regret playing it in the keys i did
cuz it never procced
but thats a seperate point and not rly worth breaking your brain over
warm plinth
No individual piece of gear is really going to be like oh I don't have threat issues now
strong forum
you have some m+ logs
warm plinth
Like Nome said, be aggressive. Beat your smooth brain DPS to the pack and you won't have to worry about it
strong forum
ima check em
yeah okay
immediate thing im noticing
is your dmg breakdown is wrong
WHAIT WHAT
unbind whirlwind
NOW
fickle hare
nah I wasn't looking for the solution, It's just been a growing frustration in my keys where I just randomly lose aggro and a dps gets 1 shot because of it
strong forum
forget they exist
immediately 
they hurt you in more ways than 1 to use
cuz they cant reset shield slam
warm plinth
oh dear
fickle hare
yeah I play healer mostly xD
strong forum
okay your talent build is correct, but you dont need to play heavy repercussions
fickle hare
but rerolled due to fatigue
strong forum
you can talent into -> into the fray
warm plinth
Why is it that you didn't read the rotation in a guide or something?
strong forum
with the big time amount of haste that you have
yeah its best we start with the basics here
warm plinth
I'm pretty sure both guides are pretty assertive on the no whirlwind/slam thing
strong forum
not a mechanical standpoint
just need to rewire how you approach your rotation
the TLDR is:
Maximising Rage generation and avoiding overcapping is the bread and butter of prot warrior
- Shield Slam is your best friend, ALWAYS prioritize it
- Thunderclap on cooldown
- Revenge to apply deepwounds in aoe and to reset shield slam if thunderclap is on cooldown
- Ignore Pain to dump rage to avoid overcapping, dont spam revenge if other buttons are available
- send Violent Outburst procs on Shield Slam for more Rage generation and big prio dmg
- Send Avatar on CD
- Send Ravager on CD
- Send Thunderous Roar on CD
- Send Shield Charge on CD
- Send Demo shout on CD
- Send Shield Wall frequently, when playing well its a 45-1min CD
warm plinth
strong forum
just for quick comparison
fickle hare
Kind of embarrasing I was doing it wrong
fickle hare
Nah I didn't read a guide on it because healer arrogance I suppose
strong forum
fickle hare
If I can play this I can play warrior with my eyes closed
strong forum
just for quick comparison
left is what your casts look like
and right is my side
so you can somewhat get a vague idea
of what it should look like
warm plinth
Only 60 pummel casts, scrub
strong forum
interrupt go brr
i guess i can also show you the dmg breakdown
in comparison
so you can also get another idea
fickle hare
sure
strong forum
so next time you do keys
you can work towards trying to replicate the dmg breakdown ig
maybe that helps as kind of a light guiding point
strong forum
ya
its also a very fast spec
one of the fastest out there without only spamming 1 specific on GCD key but multiple off-gcd buttons frequently
so my best recommendation is just slamming the training dummies
to get a flow going
without having to afk cuz you dont have rage or dont have a button to press
or just head into keys and brute force new muscle memory
fickle hare
might just have to
strong forum
the goal of every spec is learning to press buttons without having to think about what buttons you should be pressing
and working entirely off of muscle memory
thats when you start "seeing" more in keys
when you dont have to focus on your rotation you can more freely use CC and defensives and so on
warm plinth
Don't let Nome fool you. He just smashes his head into his desk when he plays pwar
warm plinth
It's all about how many keys you got bound to each spell; you need the perfect ratio
fickle hare
but w.e I will focus on my rotational issues before my gear one's xD
and eventually drop a bit of haste for crit
thanks for your help guys @warm plinth @strong forum
warm plinth
I'll be a stormforged one day
waxen frigate
one of the fastest out there without only spamming 1 specific on GCD key but mul...
Plus the reactive nature
I’d say prot warrior is one of the hardest tanks rotationally along with brew but at least with brew it is very rhythmic
Prot feels hectic in comparison
waxen frigate
no thought just send
Yeah but that’s how you play reactive shit well
Shield slam glows shield slam
Don’t think about it
I think a lot of players might think too hard about it trying to be methodical and that isn’t the right approach
waxen frigate
no thought just send
blazing condor
I feel like the same ppl are alwyas online and posting no matter the time of day
Its like those dudes at the gym thats always there no matter when u go
Dont you guys sleep
tacit smelt
Some of us just lurk
lusty grotto
(actually my first 25 ever)
Grats!! 
warm plinth
Ty 🙂
warm plinth
👀
pallid quiver
How to make prot good
Like, design wise or how to play well?
lusty grotto
youre gonna have to give us a bit more info
plush tendon
Prot War is decent, but in terms of design its behind VDH and Prot Pal along with the other tanks
urban lotus
design wise
plush tendon
we just wait for War Within
lusty grotto
survivability-wise we're fine, we're more than good
plush tendon
its out of our control
lusty grotto
we're just lacking on what we offer groups
urban lotus
ok sounds good
lusty grotto
we could use safeguard back, we could use a DR or some sort on rally, we could use mass spell reflect maybe
lusty grotto
just all around utility
plush tendon
buffs arent going to solve the underlining issues with Prot War
its damage its good, its tankiness is good
but the reworks gave Prot Pal and VDH a edge on everyone in terms of the other stuff
lusty grotto
if everything remains the same, and VDH keeps its 2 silence sigils and multiple stops, then maybe a shorter cd disrupting shout
thats kind of about it
plush tendon
and, personally, I think Prot War gameplay needs a look at
lusty grotto
a bit of a bump in dps, offensivewise
pallid quiver
buffs arent going to solve the underlining issues with Prot War
just multiply our damage by 20 times, that'll do it :L
lusty grotto
so in summary: group utility, silences, and a small bump in dps
plush tendon
Id like to see stuff like Ancient Aftershock back
urban lotus
and, personally, I think Prot War gameplay needs a look at
what about hte gameplay is bad
plush tendon
what about hte gameplay is bad
its stale compared to SL
lusty grotto
i feel the gameplay is fine
its a little too easy, if anything
but ive been playing prot war for a long ass time anyway
lusty grotto
its a highly subjective topic
lusty grotto
thats fine
plush tendon
I found VDH to be much more fun
lusty grotto
i understand that
plush tendon
I would like to see some power returned to Revenge and Execute
lusty grotto
execute more than anything
even if revenge got some power back, in this current patch, its kinda hard to justify rotationalwise
with all the SS resets
we're pretty much gcd-locked as it is
plush tendon
I still dont get why the bottom row of the class tree wasnt just those 3 cov abilties in a line
Banner, Spear, AA
choose your favorite
lusty grotto
avatar being so far down instead of smack in the middle for every warrior spec
when all 3 go for it
0 clue why shockwave is so far down
etc etc
plush tendon
avatar should be in the center
and shockwave middle right somewhere
and then the bottom is like Droar, AA, Spear, Banner and you choose the two you want
knotty pewter
kinda funny that at this point in the expansion the talent that gave shield wall to the party in beta wouldn't actually be overpowered
lusty grotto
it kinda would be
lusty grotto
if it was toned down a bit maybe
but AM resetting wall is a problem for a group wide wall
plush tendon
but I think the idea of prot war mitagating damage for party members is a good idea... just dont tie it to our CD
lusty grotto
yeah thematically its a good idea
plush tendon
stuff like that
for me, a prot warrior should be zooming around the battlefield
charging mobs, slamming their shield, intervening their friends to protect them from stuff
lusty grotto
kicking ass and taking names
to be fair it does feel like kicking ass and taking names, its just we dont really have much to offer to help our party/raid
urban lotus
yeah i feel that
lusty grotto
skull banner would be poggers too
or something like that
even a lust
since no tank has lust
plush tendon
for tanks to be balanced, damage and tankiness need to be relatively similar with some tanks being better at certain damage types and weak against others
lusty grotto
im not sure i agree with that
i feel like
its fine as it is, as long as their tools to manage those types are different
plush tendon
the difference should be from if the tank in terms of whether they lean into support stlye util or control style util or a mix of both
like VDH is all control, no real party util except for darkness
lusty grotto
see the way i would do it is
plush tendon
paladin is a mixture
lusty grotto
if you lean into control, you should sacrifice dps
in you lean into utility you should also sacrifice dps
maybe a triangle of the 3
if that makes sense
but honestly it should be available to all tanks
and not just a specialized tank
plush tendon
regardless, we want to see some changes to prot war; but in its current state.... its fine
like BDK... its fine enough where it doesnt need a rework to do well
lusty grotto
the problem with having specialized tanks is that it severely affects competitive e-sports wow, and that spills over into casuals
plush tendon
but we would like one
I feel like specialization is the only way to keep tanks different; I guess I think that overall 'tankiness' and dps across tanks need to be similar enough or at least within a standard deviation of each other
lusty grotto
the difference should be in the playstyle and tools used
how it performs those, the decision making
if you go into damage type specializations, its way harder to balance around content where damage types might coincide in a certain season making all, but 1 type of tank specialized in that type of damage, useless
like there's a way to preserve class identity, but it shouldn't be that restrictive
fallow socket
Yo just getting back into prot. What are some of the best situations for spell reflect this season? Any bosses it’s really good for?
safe heron
the difference should be in the playstyle and tools used
that's true but idk blizzard wants their community to be fotm
and make them change their spec every season or even every patch
lusty grotto
Yo just getting back into prot. What are some of the best situations for spell r...
check the pins, there's a reflectable/blockable sheet
fallow socket
Ty
lusty grotto
and make them change their spec every season or even every patch
changing a spec every season is not a bad thing
rerolling a fotm class is
fallow socket
Where are these pins? Figured it would be a channel or something
safe heron
changing a spec every season is not a bad thing
it depends
fallow socket
Found it
safe heron
for us, not for them
for them tis good ofc
fallow socket
Ah that’s from 2022- nothing current
lusty grotto
Ah that’s from 2022- nothing current
its updated
its the 2nd pin
click it, it has this seasons dungeons and amirdrassil
lusty grotto
use your pc
plush tendon
that's true but idk blizzard wants their community to be fotm
theres always been 'flavor of the month' specs and classes in wow
and in pretty much all games tbh
I would say this season is fairly well balanced; lots of varying comps doing World First level keys
especially after the debacle that was the post .5 patch of season 2
pliant trout
I would say this season is fairly well balanced; lots of varying comps doing Wor...
doesn't mean it's good. game should be diverse as possible. vdh is just clearly op. and they intentionally don't nerf him
you could just up cooldowns on his spells
restive scroll
I agree with both of you, but the idea there is that it is somewhat less worse than S2 which was clearly stuck on 5 classes.
It's still not great, but we've seen worse
pliant trout
the problem is they "don't understand" (don't want to) what m+ is a separate game. which is just inside a mmorpg
covert flower
I think there should be clear balance around the 4 tank categories
Damage, tankiness, utility, mob control
restive scroll
I disagree, they do understand (particularly on healer balance, they did some efforts in that regard)
They just are fine with the current balance
even if players are not
orchid mural
will VDH have the same mob control next season as this?
covert flower
A tank with low utility (group utility) and mediocre mob control like prot warrior
restive scroll
Probably till next extension
restive scroll
I'm not very hopeful
pliant trout
thats obvious
and they could do it in 1 week but they won't
i mean utility <=> tankines/damage balance
more utility less tanky and less damage you should have
thats balanced
restive scroll
It's nothing new that prot war is worse than other tanks
pliant trout
vdh has everything xD
i play it cause there is no alternative to m+
i mean in other games
restive scroll
I prefer to have fun, so I stcuk with my war :)
covert flower
I mean prot is pretty tanky generally
Damage is really shit and
Mob control isn't even a quarter of VDH
restive scroll
None of the tanks don't really have a tankiness issue atm, which is also why vdh is so strong
covert flower
Legit just buff the shit out of our damage and at least there's a reason to bring us
Yeah but prot warrior does do some fights exceptionally well
restive scroll
Not enough
covert flower
Not enough but if you were doing the most damage of all tanks you wouldn't feel better?
It's something
Without just giving us broken mob control like VDH
restive scroll
Oh, don't get me wrong, I love my prot, and we're pretty insane in wm, for the few that knows about that
pliant trout
players become degenerates which can't play without it
restive scroll
I'm just resigned to know we'll be bottometier
it's been a while, and they don't seem interested in doing anything about it
pliant trout
just embarrassing
restive scroll
Maybe I'll be able to lobby them if/when deplete.fyi takes off, but until then, I'll be fine with just having fun with my war
pliant trout
copium
covert flower
Honestly prot warrior could just do with a few baseline changes too that I think would be good
pliant trout
game is dogshit like forever
covert flower
Make spell block baseline at reduced effectiveness similar to magic stagger
pliant trout
"next expansion" 
restive scroll
I'm more hopeful to be able to lobby them thanks to deplete, than hopeful about getting somehow buffed in the upcoming months.
And I'm really not thinking that I'll be able to lobby them :')
pliant trout
"next patch"
covert flower
Free up the node for a new thing
Give us some more damage especially ST I feel
And maybe group utility in some way other tanks don't have
Group spell reflect, something
pliant trout
not with this devs who iterate stuff over years xD
covert flower
Like group spell reflect on a short range to gain the buff would be fair
pliant trout
idk whos even in charge of that, but i am literally sure there is someone who is stopping doing too many changes/fixes
like old boomer dude "NO THIS IS THE WAY"
we played in BC like this they should do it now
restive scroll
Plka talked with the dev, I don't know whether he talked about the current state of prot war
since he's one of the highest rated prot wars atm
pliant trout
it's not about prot warr but about the game design/balance philosophie
it's not a warr issue at all
hes just one of the victims
restive scroll
every patch needs some of them
Sorry, I'll let you vent, I know I'm missing the mark here :)
covert flower
Like honestly I don't think Blizzard realises what silence sigil does
They probably just assume it silences a big group of mobs and does its job that way but it has such insane value for pulling and grouping mobs
Which is way more important
pliant trout
those talents on top are just useless garbage
the base isn't fixed
idk there will be the same issues just with more spells to deal
every spec already has useless buttons
they just add more xDDD
tribal wharf
ITS FUCKING OVER, I DID IT
i never have to talk aobut this stupid space ship ever again i finished it on hard 🙂
i didnt do it no death, thats borderline impossible, i had 2 deaths on lvl 6 boss, but hes a bastard anyways and there are 2 laser power ups on that lvl anyway
tribal wharf
i knew i play games better in the early am, this just proves it
jagged pier
its perfectly fine
pliant trout
no real problems till 29, exception is tott
if you don't have bleed removal
maybe rise is bit hard, depends on comp etc, it's mostly about comp and players
with good players "everything is easy" with bad otherwise
opaque quest
Daiky reminder to ignore everything Toadcap gives off since hes a combat botter
opaque quest
@lusty grotto Dude is talking about good players as if he knew what that was
restive scroll
Like 25 to 27 range
I don't have much issue doing most 27, even though i don't have them all yet.
Tott 27 was stressful, the others were pretty okay
opaque quest
How a key feels also vastly differs with team comp. Having a ret and a holy for double sac feels tremendously better than having a resto sham and nothing else. Externals make and break a key when a tank misclicks or fucks up in general
When in doubt just put in all the externals and call it a day
karmic plinth
Daiky reminder to ignore everything Toadcap gives off since hes a combat botter
what the hell is a combat botter
opaque quest
All Turdcop does is press WASD his bot presses all the abilities on itself
basically aim botting but for wow
opaque quest
Ofcourse it is
Thats why he changed his name on all the screenshots so we dont get him banned
karmic plinth
i cant imagine playing this game with such contempt for it
opaque quest
Well Idiot said pressing the same 5 buttons is boring
So he made it even more boring i guess?
karmic plinth
at that point id just play another game
opaque quest
We all would
But we all got at least double digit IQ
Its the same reason aimbotters play Shooters. To feel good at something in their lifes i guess
wary heath
is it possible to have a macro that lets you use revenge when its up when casting sunder armor?
opaque quest
You dont want to use revenge whenever it proccs
karmic plinth
#vanilla-discussion
#mop-discussion will be a better place to ask
opaque quest
Oh sunder armor my brain auto read deva lol
wary heath
thanks
sturdy pelican
@ivanturbinca
chilly brook
So he made it even more boring i guess?
Some people are just omega cooked
opaque quest
Some people are just omega cooked
chilly brook
Me I’m just washed
opaque quest
Who aint
opaque quest
@lusty tiger Average game btw. Look at the tank diff
lusty tiger
<@193453212500623360> Average game btw. Look at the tank diff
Embarrassing
9 death tank = nobody gets to play the game
tribal wharf
chooses healer
takes all the kills
lusty tiger
Moira be like that
opaque quest
chooses healer
takes all the kills
Moira has an orb she can throw that either heals or damages. It travels for some distance slurping or healing everybody it passes nearby. If it does 1 dmg and someone dies its a kill^^
opaque quest
9 death tank = nobody gets to play the game
Ye was brutal we pretty much got farmed
We even tried ana mercy throwing Anas fucking nade on the tank and she still perma died kekW
Oh btw Jeree im stuck in Dia. Cant get out. Everytime i win 10 in a row im back to losing 15
Hows your experience with the new SR system
tribal wharf
i made a shitty youtube thumbnail again exgeratting shot size and boss hp
lusty tiger
Hows your experience with the new SR system
I have been mad busy. Was going to start climbing tonight
opaque quest
What rank are you starting from?
tribal wharf
rock 7
lusty tiger
^
tribal wharf
not even the good interesting type of rock
opaque quest
Honestly not to bad. With the new ranking system silver will feel like plat lol
tribal wharf
just boring grey hard rock
opaque quest
Or Rock 10
lusty tiger
Honestly not to bad. With the new ranking system silver will feel like plat lol
That sounds horrifying but that also meant I might get some ok players on my team
tribal wharf
rock 10? you mean my stereo sytem every day
opaque quest
That sounds horrifying but that also meant I might get some ok players on my tea...
Idk new SR system is wild. Sometimes i get ex 500s sometimes i get ex bronzes in Dia lolol
lusty tiger
How in the heck
tribal wharf
i enjoyed playing as the yellow green black guy healer
opaque quest
Im Dia1 on tank and Dia 4 on support too even tho i feel like im a better sup
lusty tiger
Yea it’s just getting a poop tank is insta lose
tribal wharf
sub 10 minute
lusty tiger
Same
warm plinth
The fuck
blazing condor
pause
lusty tiger
Better sleep w one eye open yogi
opaque quest
Thought i would try Yogis insane convo switches
tribal wharf
rip bozo i suppose
warm plinth
He's not switching the convo. He just has his own
tribal wharf
some times?
tribal wharf
im wattchin mdi, is wcm
lusty tiger
blazing condor
got 1 min banned from posting 
contained a bad word but wasn't used in any bad way whatsoever
smh
warm plinth
I'm sorry they couldnt meet your expectations yogi
lusty tiger
^
opaque quest
I'm sorry they couldnt meet your expectations yogi
ahahaha
tribal wharf
im madge they cant run it faster and die to tree who tf dies to tree
they must be really bad and not know how to play
opaque quest
Yogi you cant impose your godlyhood on others
hazy bronze
And do unspeakable horrors to your butt
Can I watch?
opaque quest
Can I watch?
You can help
opaque quest
lusty tiger
Pogs
opaque quest
If you wanna play sup just go Ilari. Let the pylon handle healing and 2shot pharah yourself
fallow socket
yo prot warrs- question about getting aggro back from dps- It seems that sheild charge and thunderclap are the best at getting aggro back- what other moves are good getting aggro back when taunt and disrupting shout is on cd?
lusty tiger
Shieldslam
fallow socket
aoe ,m+
lusty tiger
Yeah ravager and thunderous roar are huge
opaque quest
Its dragon roar jeree. Its 2015 get a grip
lusty tiger
Oh
fallow socket
ok ive been using those at the start of pulls for dps- should i hold for aggro issues?
lusty tiger
I thought it was called TR
lusty tiger
ok ive been using those at the start of pulls for dps- should i hold for aggro i...
What’s your ilvl
opaque quest
Unless your dps are 30 ilvl ahead of you
lusty tiger
Threat should not really be a problem anymore it’s been buffed like 3 times over the past 2 years
fallow socket
442 doin 11s with like 460s and up lf crests
lusty tiger
Yea ur gonna have issues
fallow socket
yep lol
lusty tiger
And they should not die to +11 mobs
fallow socket
they dont
lusty tiger
Just practice doing as much damage as you can
fallow socket
i just feel bad losing aggro often
lusty tiger
And don’t worry about it too much
opaque quest
Make sure youre in bstance too
lusty tiger
^
jagged pier
nothing can kill u
so theres no point in being in def stance
and 442 is enough for 20s
ppl forget we were that ilvl at the start of the season
fallow socket
lol not i
fallow socket
okok
warm plinth
im madge they cant run it faster and die to tree who tf dies to tree
RIP your shield block
fallow socket
when do you pull a big pack and get low hp- are you relying on slamming ignore pain, shield blockand impending victory on cd?
warm plinth
Play better the next time
opaque quest
Yogi do you not have a shield block timer that is easily visible?
opaque quest
Play better the next time
That was the nicest git gud i have ever seen
fallow socket
any good advice on rotation?
jagged pier
press everything on cooldown
warm plinth
SS>TC>Revenge, but you'll likely end up pressing IP a lot more than Revenge due to rage inundation (especially during CDs/in AoE)
jagged pier
if u want personal notes we need logs
fallow socket
just curious on general play! ty
warm plinth
Use all cooldowns on cooldown. Can save Demo shout if you need to for certain tank busters as part of our defensive rotation
your*
fallow socket
got it thank you
warm plinth
Remember that shield block actually ends up like 45 sec to 1 min CD with proper play
So you don't have to hold on to it forever
er
shield wall sorry
fallow socket
ok- so its ok to use it more commonly- yes its more of when i have exhausted my cds and im just left with ignore paint and shield block. I think im blowing my defensives too fast in general. It sucks when you know somehting is comming and ill i have is ignore pain lol
ty for help all
opaque quest
You cant blow your defenses to fast. Just dont use SW and LS together
SW has 1 minute CD with proper play
Make sure your blocked hits are 95% optimally and 85% at least
If you block everything and press your buttons to keep enough IP uptime you will be unkillable even if you dont use SW or LS at all
fallow socket
when you say block everything- you mean having shield block up as much as possible?
opaque quest
Yes
fallow socket
ok
opaque quest
But also dont turn your back to mobs or you cant block
fallow socket
ya ive seen that happen this week lol
blazing condor
man i cant take u srs with that pfp
fallow socket
last question- im an orc- should i pop blood fury with avatar or thunderous roar? or do you do it at same time? Ive been using Avatar-thunderous roar and bllod fury at once for dps
opaque quest
Macro it to avatar call it good
opaque quest
man i cant take u srs with that pfp <:keks:936231610850897992>
You dont like nesquik straight from the tap?
lusty tiger
Make me want some nesquick chocolate milk
fallow socket
Y SO SERIOUS?!?
lusty tiger
I think for a year or so my dinner every night was a freezer pizza and 2 massive cups of chocolate milk
blazing condor
I think for a year or so my dinner every night was a freezer pizza and 2 massive...
bro you should be studied
lusty tiger
That was when I was in high school
blazing condor
how are you alive
blazing condor
if ur like 3 feet tall thatd be a lot
opaque quest
Was gonna say 145 doesnt sound bad
lusty tiger
I was 5’11
opaque quest
Thats pretty normal wtf
lusty tiger
I was maaad skinny
lusty tiger
My lunch was either one pbj or a v8+eggsalad sandwich
lusty tiger
6’1 200lbs now (((:
opaque quest
80KG
blazing condor
5'11 is 180
blazing condor
The rule is body height +10
also what rule
for "ideal" weight or just upper bound
opaque quest
General ideal weight
opaque quest
Not taking in other stuff like muscle mass i.e
blazing condor
a dog who eats a little
opaque quest
lusty tiger
Communist diet
lusty tiger
https://tenor.com/view/flip-the-frog-classic-cartoon-rubber-hose-skeleton-gif-15...
They don’t make animations this great anymore
opaque quest
They don’t make animations this great anymore
Eh Elemental LOOKED pretty good
No character tho
lusty tiger
No character tho
This is there important part of animation
Like that dog doesn’t look like the skeleton of a dog
It looks like what a dog made of bones would look like
opaque quest
The tongue sold it
lusty tiger
Yeah LOL
The walls and flooring are crooked and The table and chair legs are curved. Those little specific imperfections give it so much character
opaque quest
Remind me that i still gotta play Cuphead
tribal wharf
lmao that logo
opaque quest
Yogi its ballgag time
Btw @lusty tiger you could watch the cuphead show its pretty faithful to the old disney stile
blazing condor
Remind me that i still gotta play Cuphead
good game
like the dark souls of disney style platform boss battles
opaque quest
disney style platform boss battle <- very well known genre
lusty tiger
Btw <@193453212500623360> you could watch the cuphead show its pretty faithful t...
I’ve seen some of the video game, but I didn’t know there was a show
opaque quest
3 seasons lol
lusty tiger
Who’s balls?
opaque quest
you are going to ball gag your self?
Context
opaque quest
Who’s balls?
You dont want to know
lusty tiger
0.0
tribal wharf
why do you tell us then lol
lusty tiger
Very fun round again. Think im done for today
The throughput of your teammates is like bronze level
At least the other support and tank
opaque quest
Ye aiming at people with a mouse is hard 
lusty tiger
fallow socket
Everybody loves a lil choccy milk
opaque quest
Depends on where it comes from. If i have to drink it straight from a roided up nesquik bunny i gotta pass
That was a wild sentence what the fuck
tribal wharf
these are some pepega lvl drawing team icons
crystal mauve
EB 28 Fortified Bolstered cast spell reflect - 2.3m
That key doesn't make any sense lol
tribal wharf
Okay so, real actual question about wow
purple birds that cast a disorient at the start of DHT, if i use a stun on them do they immediately or very soon after getting out of stun attempt to cast it again?
like some mobs will immediately re-cast spells unless you spell lock
strong forum
They don't recast
tribal wharf
first time i wiped to that pack was aggro of birds
this time i aggroed them, but i still forgot/didnt understand the disorient
waxen frigate
Make me want some nesquick chocolate milk
i can give you some 😉
lusty tiger
i can give you some 😉
When
lusty grotto
opaque quest
Oh no
Back to straight from the tab
Didnt D4 just get their mid season update? I have more ppl in my friendlist playing reforged than D2/D3/D4/Hots/Overwatch together
lusty grotto
you like?
opaque quest
Now to level it 
lusty grotto
haha thats what i mdoing
opaque quest
Killing the starter mammorest is auto lvl30 or so
lusty grotto
i just killed blazamut and it got instant 39
opaque quest
I have a lvl1 chillet with the same traits as your astegon. Guess im gonna go kill Blaza too
lusty grotto
i do blazamut astegon lyleen noct pretty much
opaque quest
The alpha versions?
lusty grotto
also im leveling an atk lyleen also and some buffers so it wasnt the full amount
yea
opaque quest
Blazehowl only has 1 lvl lower cooking but seems to work through the night
But he always gets stuck sooo
lusty grotto
btw
with lightning strike, this is the best miner in the game
not passive/base miner
but on your group
opaque quest
Ye saw it delete 10 notes at once in a video
I might just tear down my breed base and make it a sulfur base tho
lusty grotto
lol now i have to find a lightning strike
lusty grotto
nothing
i just wanted to make one
i seriously want to mass condense but pal box size is too restrictive
so i might just wait, maybe they make improvements to it
tribal wharf
well, i didnt deplete an 18 dht for once
ptsd partly healed
post traumatic stress, (from dungeon)
opaque quest
cant use cage in dedicated servers
I think there are mods for bigger palboxes tho i use some mods too
lusty grotto
cause it produces higher data on servers contributing to load
bigger palbox mods need them installed on the servers
and im not gonna tell my friend to do that a
opaque quest
Well fuck
lusty grotto
its fine im sure they will do something about it
im just surprised there hasnt been any patches lately
opaque quest
Yeah same. They were fast patching during the hype storm
This is the one mod they need to implement. You no longer need to hold F to incubate
If the next patches break my mods im gonna edge my aneurysm
echo egret
DHT bolstering omg
tribal wharf
ya, i just turned on perma dstance
echo egret
well I just turned on perma leave
tribal wharf
this channel will groan and moan if i only do wcm
so, either im in hell or im in pepega land
echo egret
that was 25 bolstering, this explains that
lusty grotto
If the next patches break my mods im gonna edge my aneurysm
it will 🙂
tribal wharf
i have lots of addons installed but not all of them running
turn off like half them
opaque quest
i have lots of addons installed but not all of them running
Just delete them. Simple with Curseforge
opaque quest
this channel will groan and moan if i only do wcm
N o b o d y c a r e s
You should play Overwatch with me Yogi i need a tank
opaque quest
Might aswell ye
lusty grotto
nobody can really tell you what to do
its also a very bad week for io pushes
so i dont think anyone can really tell you otherwise
just do 18s, this is an afk week
most of us are doing something similar to afking anyway
warm plinth
I'll have you know, I've gained 41 score already this week
lusty grotto
but we're not
tribal wharf
i mean, you could talk alot less about me is what i mean lol
tribal wharf
i hear you
cuz, if i ever did a ksh or 2, then im not just talking out of ass about keys
im not even close enough in any sense of anything for, 25 key and higher maybe, maybe in 5-10 years entirely likely i lose interest before that
opaque quest
I'll have you know, I've gained 41 score already this week
Youre even prettier now with 41 more score 
pulsar wedge
Nimchip wjats your io?
opaque quest
i mean, you could talk alot less about me is what i mean lol
Mate i got 600 IO this season and i still shittalk you
No escape
dusky canopy
Nim! My guildy just rolled a 99 on augury and then the tank rolled a 100 last second before time was up
Ahahaha
opaque quest
tribal wharf
thats how i operate with keys though, many other things games, brute force until game requires mechanics or i win it, then turn up difficulty same thing, after i find the problem and isolate it
isolate and store to brain for future runs
opaque quest
I can never store game mechanics. I have to replay the tutorial again in most games if i pick them back up afer a year or so
Sure basic stuff but controls are brutal
@lusty grotto pain
I thought i already had my chillet but nah its a 3/4
opaque quest
It breeds a perfect offspring or else it gets the butcher knife
lusty grotto
<@131897531251556352> pain
lol
uneven mason
Feeding the failures to motivate the parents
opaque quest
ye
uneven mason
I haven't picked it up
opaque quest
We are shoving the imperfect worthless young into more worthy poopers
lusty grotto
opaque quest
With this thing you can "blend" them into a stronger one
Looks like selling his brothers and sisters into slavery motivated it
lusty grotto
😄
opaque quest
Not this one. This one will consume
Because this frost noodle woke up and chose violence
opal forum
do you guys have any tips for everbloom? my teamates are non stop bodypulling everything around and i dont know how to make it better
i cant control them but maybbe you guys have safe route for pug?
i was thinking about pulling less pack (like 9 or 4 for exemple) and instead tag the patrols that litteraly get aggro every single time, but tagging abo dosent seem like the best idea
vivid radish
one-way is to ensure they are familier with the route as well.
Overall it seems that routing is skipping alot of "tricky" to skip patrols or adds and when not paying attention by others, can easily be pulled.
opal forum
i warn them
and they chill on the middle of the road
and i ping
and they stay there
vivid radish
those 2 you skip between 13 and 14 are hard to skip without watching
opal forum
im trying to find a solution
vivid radish
thats on them then, nothing you can do.
opal forum
well
vivid radish
you can't fix others short-comings.
opal forum
being on them or on me
dosent change anything
im still not timing the key
so i was wondering
if some of you actually pull those patrol
to make it easier
vivid radish
are they friends or pugs?
pallid quiver
im trying to find a solution
If this isn't a particularly high key, I'd just ram my face into those mobs and pull from the side to gain count
pallid quiver
I'd just ram my face into those mobs and pull from the side to gain count.
They're scarier than the mobs on the side, but not that scary yet
opal forum
well
every time they get bodypulled
my entire party ends up dying
maybe if its only the pat itself
its gonna be easy
pallid quiver
They need to use their defensives and actually kill those mobs; if they get body pulled, it's possible people can get caught off guard. If you intentionally pull them, people are more prepared to deal with the mobs, too
opal forum
react to what exactly?
i usually put my butt next to a wall far from the pat
and ping them
to warn them
but they dont move
even after 5 wypes
they will keep bodypulling
till one of them leave
so i feel like i should tag them on purpose at this point
vivid radish
try it out and see
opal forum
but it feels bad to do it
pallid quiver
Why should it feel bad? They're just mobs, same as any other in the end. You hit them if they're convenient, you avoid them if they're not. That can ltierally change with key level/group comp, etc. So like, if the idea of skipping them has failed like 5 times, and you continue to try and avoid them, that's a mistake on your part for not trying to adjust if the mobs are able to be handled on that key level, which they should still be
vivid radish
Pretty much
opal forum
im trying to adjust this is litteraly why im typing here right now
its just that
when they get pulled in groups my teamates dies
so i guess
pallid quiver
you're a little late on that adjustment, but at least you're trying it now
pallid quiver
Remember that if you intentionally pull a pack, people are prepared to deal with them. If someone body pulls, they aren't, and DPS can go squish with some mobs around there without good defensive use
opal forum
no they get killed even if i pulled the pats solo sometimes
and we loose tons of times dealing with them individualy
i was wondering if someone had any routes that works well with pug
like, from people who actually do some big keys
or super safe spots
or way to deal with them efficiently
vivid radish
That will always be PUG specific. There is no magic solution to this
opal forum
is it a struggle for most people?
warm plinth
What level keys are you doing
pallid quiver
He said usually around 23 level earlier
opal forum
23 ish
ive tried to pull patrols
ive tried to dodge them
both way are not rly effective
this is the dungeon im struggling with the most
essentially because of that specific area
maybe im doing something bad there
idk
maybe im super unlucky with my teamates
but again, blaming other people is not gonna make me time keys
warm plinth
pugs be buttpullin patrols in everbloom when attempting to skip
lusty grotto
thats not something you can control
lusty grotto
just kill whatever they pull
opal forum
i dont know how to deal with it
vivid radish
^^
lusty grotto
you cant
vivid radish
heroic throw ftw
lusty grotto
you cant deal with it
opal forum
they fkn die
vivid radish
then they die
vivid radish
find guildies
lusty grotto
well, that is, if the timer is extremely affected
warm plinth
It sounds to me that you're doing all you can really do. Pinging, letting them know the route beforehand, etc.
Short of playing their toon for them 🤷
opal forum
i tell them that
lusty grotto
if a person on a 23 cannot understand agro range and body pulls, they dont belong on that level, or they should stay on the level they are at
opal forum
this dungeon is litteraly all about bodypulling
lusty grotto
you cannot control it
opal forum
especially in 23
lusty grotto
stop trying to
vivid radish
Like I said earlier, there is no magic fix you can do. get different pugs or guildies
pallid quiver
Like, if they can't survive fighting it, they can't avoid it, the solution is to run your own key and vet people better
lusty grotto
once again, you cannot control it, stop trying to
opal forum
i was hoping for something
vivid radish
there isnt one
lusty grotto
youre just putting unnecessary mental tax on yourself
opal forum
i run my own keys ahah
pallid quiver
vet people better
opal forum
ya okay
lusty grotto
its a game, its not the end of the world
pallid quiver
Especially this late in the season, the player pool is more saturated with people who've floated up
lusty grotto
if you got there, you can get there again