the rest of the shit can just be class flavored
#protection
lusty grotto
opaque quest
Look at FFXIV. Every role has the same tools apart from 1 or 2 here and there but the important shit is all there. Feels way better
lusty grotto
i just think people over-react to homogenization, its not cata bad anymore (or has been for a while) and they seem intent of keeping in that way, but blizzard shouldnt overly commit to that idea
like the whole drums/lust shit just drives me nuts
seriously? 15% drums?
now im fucked hoping a mage or aug are actually good, when the great majority of them arent
how does having a lust consumable factor into homogenization, it doesnt
opaque quest
bRiNg tHe PlAyEr NoT tHe ClAsS
lusty grotto
i mean that was the idea in TBC
and it worked
bring the class not the player is a fucking mistake
opaque quest
Yeah i hate it. But people wanted mark of the wild back for flavor or some useless shit
lusty grotto
for the most part they have done a decent job but there's some shit that still needs work
opaque quest
Hunter pets having every group buff was pog
lusty grotto
yeah
honestly i would:
- give all priests access to silence
- give some tanks lust, preferably tanks that cannot brez
- up drums back to 25% like in BFA instead of this garbage we have
- give rsham access to an option node for WF and spell WF equivalent
- give ele a spell WF equivalent or some spell casting shit
- bring back group buffing pets like you suggested, rooach
- mages and evokers are mostly fine so fuck em
- keep brez bracers around and/or make brez consumes again like in BFA
- add lesser versions of buffs to scrolls again, mostly 5% less, not half like drums
A lot of this ticks most boxes in a m+ matrix
lusty grotto
i feel brews should get it
opaque quest
Give Brez Bracers more range tho
lusty grotto
vdh, as they are right now, shouldn't
opaque quest
And cut the fail
tribal wharf
opaque quest
Holy fuck i love the new overwatch rank system
You only rank up now when you perform
No carries
If you dont do damage or get kills or heal you dont get SR
tribal wharf
if you int in a bunch of games it should have like a disconnect a big fuck you message
and then you are temp banned for 24 horus
opaque quest
and then you are temp banned for 24 horus
Na thats alot disconnects happen
But downrank is ifne
tribal wharf
what i mean is if like, you are playing but you arent really playing and you arent doing dmg or healing
or you are being intentionally over the top annoying
helping enemy
tribal wharf
thats what i think about most games
opaque quest
Even if your teammates carry a win
tribal wharf
i wonder if the changes are enough to get baldo to play again
opaque quest
Whos that
uneven mason
Although I did watch one episode because a guildie of mine was in a "unique mount" contest
tribal wharf
after like i think its 450 i will stop forever basically
mounts
i know for sure i need to get the 350 and 400 mount, but i dunno if i ever get there
tribal wharf
ya its super vital i get the 350 mount
just too bad i dont have the 3k io shoulder appearance would make it ungodly perfect mog
maybe its something they add if you get 3k io in the fated patch and spend some coins you can unlock previous or current versions of shoulder transmogs
fresh stone
hey so i cant find the link to it. but how much haste should i have to be safe to switch to the Into the Fray talent. it feels weird when i use it
tribal wharf
5400 haste isnt too bad to hit if you target haste statted gear
fresh stone
lusty grotto
🤷
tribal wharf
you want to put this gem in if its not in something else already
lusty grotto
branch is fine
tribal wharf
i typically put mine in neck but doesnt really matter i suppose
fresh stone
its the other one. ya i had a feeling like i could drop some vers
lusty grotto
ember
tribal wharf
tribal wharf
hes got some talent choices i dont entirely agree with but nothing disastorosu
opaque quest
5400 haste isnt too bad to hit if you target haste statted gear
Arent neck and rings already 2k haste?
tribal wharf
i sort of regret changing the neck to haste versa, but not really
fresh stone
when i take away that one and really way my choices of what moves do i actually use when i play im always stuck between +15rage or more dmg on revenge. because im no the best player but i used to main a dk tank. when i had rallying cry i never ended up using it
tribal wharf
rings are up to uhhh i think uhh 1400 1500 of 1 stat
and then like 300 of the other
opaque quest
if you dont use a spell because you arent good try to improve and use it
lusty grotto
revenge isnt used unless you need an SS proc
opaque quest
Also dont use revenge to spend rage
opaque quest
your rage spender is IP
Fuck you were faster
tribal wharf
rallying cry did recieve nerfs, but its still overpowered as hell when used at the correct timings
lusty grotto
IP is off gcd so that should be your defacto spender
used only when youre about to cap
you need to keep a healthy amount of rage in, for SB refreshes
fresh stone
ya usually when i am doing a mythic+. nothing crazy 18to 20. i always use SS on cd then thunderclap then revenge always last
lusty grotto
ideally between 30 rage (bare min) and 85
uneven mason
used only when youre about to cap
Well, this tier it's pressed way more often due to fervid
lusty grotto
of course
tribal wharf
you can, used to be better bfa and sl that you could sniper save ppl from dying in key by using rally when they low
lusty grotto
but the logic still stays
uneven mason
Yeah
opaque quest
I mean youre almost always capped anyways if played well
Sooo using IP more and only when capped is kinda the same
lusty grotto
no idea why youre so full versa though
lusty grotto
tribal wharf
i do semi regret recafting and hunting haste versa instead of haste crit
lusty grotto
especially gems, why big versa and small haste
tribal wharf
but like, really, if im only doing 20, 21 keys, 18 19
uneven mason
i do semi regret recafting and hunting haste versa instead of haste crit
You should fully regret that
tribal wharf
nerd voice I AM THE VERSALITY NERDDDD
lusty grotto
which is why nobody should listen to you when it comes to stat prio
uneven mason
fresh stone
haste i figured i was good around that 5400 breakpoint with into the fray. just feels weird keeping shield block up but its never a problem. 30%crit and 22% vers. i just put on my 476 pips to repalace the ember one
lusty grotto
haste i figured i was good around that 5400 breakpoint with into the fray. just ...
no
you go full haste
forever
tribal wharf
well, im not too concerned
lusty grotto
7100 rating is the 2nd softcap, its what we call the hard cap
tribal wharf
oh no, i have to recraft again maybe, oh well
lusty grotto
ITF becomes BETTER with more haste
uneven mason
Haste is multiplicative with itself
ionic nimbus
7100 is the 20% statepenalty, right?
uneven mason
Yeah
fresh stone
lemme just redo a few gems fast. but realisticly what trinkets should i try and aim for then? because all i have is a 476 branch, 476 pips and 476 ember. the latter 2 are heroic track items
uneven mason
Which is when things start to get behind other stats
fresh stone
i didnt do any normal or heroic raid yet
tribal wharf
lusty grotto
rezan
lusty grotto
rezan/sandglass/mirror are safe picks
uneven mason
lemme just redo a few gems fast. but realisticly what trinkets should i try and ...
Rezan and sandglass?
fresh stone
ty thats what i needed to know
lusty grotto
cheat death (prophetic stonescales) if youre doing high end keys
tribal wharf
1250 of that mastery comes from ONE 483 ring
lusty grotto
which you arent
fresh stone
i can spam mythic+ all day long. just when it comes to raid clears im not lucky with trinkets
lusty grotto
yeah well blizzard decided to put some absolute bangers in raid sadly so
a lot of us have been fucked
fresh stone
i have one of them on my blood dk 😦
opaque quest
Rezan is good from M+
ionic nimbus
Got Rageheart yesterday from hc kill, lootgasm
uneven mason
i have one of them on my blood dk 😦
Every one of my alts has rageheart
opaque quest
Its sad. I wanna play but i wont as long as very rare trinkets exists
fresh stone
so as for branch. what should i replace it with?
opaque quest
Replace branch with a bigger branch
uneven mason
Never seen a single one drop on the heroic clears
fresh stone
cool. i love the branch thats what i was worried about
uneven mason
Council opener with 489 branch
fresh stone
well witch one is the least crappy till i get a better one?
uneven mason
Cleeaaaaave
uneven mason
lusty grotto
5 target patchwork, 1 sim at 1 min, another at 1.5 min, with lust, and only battle shout as your buff (unless you have other friends you know are gonna be present, all the time)
compare sims
see which combo is better
uneven mason
btw you guys are a lot nicer than the people on the dk discord
Yeah most other class discords have a question area or a FAQ and can't be fucked to answer questions
I mean we have a guide in the pins
fresh stone
ya cuz i can read those but sometimes they arent always accurate. and i would love some real time feedback
lusty grotto
well if stuff is on the pins, and/or faq channels
uneven mason
But we're also not edgebois who ask what have you given every time we order coffee
lusty grotto
you should generally not ask about it
cause people get tired of answering the same questions
the answers are there for that reason
uneven mason
you should generally not ask about it
It's fine as long as it's not shit from last expansion
lusty grotto
but of course, asking for clarification is always good
uneven mason
Like legit asking about builds because all they do is say "use the wowhead guide"
fresh stone
ya thats what i was more curious about. some clarification
uneven mason
WH guide sus
fresh stone
i have read the wowhead guide inside and out and was never sure one what ideal % of crit and vers is good
lusty grotto
there is no ideal
lusty grotto
stats arent a goalpost
uneven mason
Also the bdk discord pushing runetap and OE
lusty grotto
yeah like rooach said haste is the one stat you need to look at, the rest arent as important
though most of us prefer crit 2nd
at least here, cause we know versa stans exist
uneven mason
i have read the wowhead guide inside and out and was never sure one what ideal %...
We like ilvl, have few fucks to give in the end as to what stats are on it, haste is our focus just because it compresses the rotation and feels great
fresh stone
ya im weird i like vers>crit but its not like i dont have a good amount of crit 30% unbuffed
lusty grotto
probably because other tanks think versa is good
warm plinth
Nim are you gonna get rageheart from weekly
lusty grotto
when even VDH doesnt go versa
fresh stone
my other tank is a 485blood dk so thats why i have a vers hard on
uneven mason
ya im weird i like vers>crit but its not like i dont have a good amount of crit ...
Other tanks don't have standing 80% mitigation
lusty grotto
versa is good if you sacrifice a huge portion of your stat into it, at high versa counts thats when its okay
warm plinth
My paladin didn't: (
fresh stone
the having a shield as a tank is a new concept to me so thats why
uneven mason
Yeah we blok
lusty grotto
having versa is okay, putting everything into versa after haste is 
i have some versa items, i just dont gem it or craft into it
same with mastery
warm plinth
Using versa as the abbreviation for vers is 
warm plinth
Probably
opaque quest
probs the EU gang
Yea. Lots of peeps here say versa
lusty grotto
its a nice observation though
cause i didnt realize i was saying it
as long as its understood as the stat, its fine
fresh stone
like i said. i apperciate the pointers guys. you can find me pugging keys if you ever run into me
opaque quest
@tribal wharf new ranking system seems to work. I lost the last 2 matches because of a winston into reaper feeder and still get placed in Dia1
Pretty sure you cant be placed into masters
So just do some deepz and get some kills and you'll rise
fresh stone
just redid my gems around and a talent change. this scares me crit>mastery>vers>haste for my new stat weights. thats why im always on the fence when i see stat weights
lusty grotto
dont do stat weights on raidbots
lusty grotto
☝️
opaque quest
Please tell me you didnt redo your gems to crit mastery
fresh stone
ive been doing it wrong for years >.>
lusty grotto
no, you havent
fresh stone
oh goodness no. just pure haste
opaque quest
Pure haste is also bad. You want mixed gems
lusty grotto
☝️
fresh stone
ty going to switch those 3 gems to haste/crit
picked shockwave back up. the aoe stun is worth the extta 30sec cd on thunderous roar
lusty grotto
if doing vault keys its entirely fine to go uproar
we have some builds pinned up
usually though, shockwave is better cause you need the stop for keys
fresh stone
i used to use shockwave but made the switch for mroe dps because i stricly pug keys and i missed that aoe stun. especially in everbloom
jagged pier
but u always run shockwave
lusty grotto
nome has the damage build pinned
which takes uproar over shockwave
so thats probably why there was some confusion
fresh stone
im looking through the protection tab and i dont see a link to the builds besides to icyveins and wowhead. are those the links?
fresh stone
honestly i cant remember now where i saw that
it was a guide i know that. when it comes to me i will send the link
warm plinth
Could be a raid build. That'd be my best guess.
lusty grotto
true
uneven mason
Could be a raid build. That'd be my best guess.
I thought we just ironman zero talents for raid?
fresh stone
the method warrior tank builds. my dumb self was using the raid talent setup as a base for my build in mythic+
lusty grotto
rather you dont link that in case of lurkers
then we have to explain method's talents
lusty grotto
yeah pretty close, but if they make any changes...
fresh stone
oh right
i usualy just a premade build as a base then go from there based on what i actualy use and stuff
opaque quest
Your best option would be to use our pinned builds then use everything
uneven mason
then we have to explain method's talents
There's no explanation for that!!!
Honed reflexes 🙃
For raid
lusty grotto
well nome's build also has honed reflexes
im pretty sure it has been there for all tiers this exp
only for raid builds though
uneven mason
I guess going back to early expansion our haste didn't give us reliable resets
Sometimes I feel like I can't press ss fast enough
lusty grotto
it be like that sometimes
granite needle
can i tank heroic amirdrassil with 453 ilvl? xD
lusty grotto
probably
opaque quest
Also depends on how many externals you will get
toxic pewter
can def do it but it’s really up to you if you have what it takes
lusty grotto
everyone tanked heroic amir at that ilvl when the season started
except people doing split runs
opaque quest
Honestly if you gotta ask you prolly dont have what it takes
Its like people asking if warr is viable
obsidian girder
Hey guys, just started my prot journey. Maybe you can give me your feedback to this - what is the bigger upgrade.
uneven mason
can i tank heroic amirdrassil with 453 ilvl? xD
Craft big shield, you B fine
opaque quest
Hey guys, just started my prot journey. Maybe you can give me your feedback to t...
Raidbots tells you
Dont ask us
We dont know
No magic orb
obsidian girder
Well right
uneven mason
Rooach
obsidian girder
There was a time with helpful people here
uneven mason
This isn't the DK discord
obsidian girder
But nvm then
uneven mason
There was a time with helpful people here
Ignore rooach
uneven mason
My brain is a million times more powerful than some APL
opaque quest
But nome wrote it
uneven mason
uneven mason
But nvm then
Ask away
obsidian girder
The point is
uneven mason
Raidbots knows way more than we do
Also they asked for feedback not logical information!
opaque quest
I need to learn that people dont think logically fuck my life
obsidian girder
What is the better upgrade
463 crit/mastery bracers with a socket --> 486 versa embellishment bracers
Or
476 crit/mastery shield --> 486 haste/versa shield
uneven mason
I need to learn that people dont think logically fuck my life
The sooner you accept that and join the circus the happier you'll be
uneven mason
What is the better upgrade
463 crit/mastery bracers with a socket --> 486 versa ...
Shield
lusty grotto
What is the better upgrade
463 crit/mastery bracers with a socket --> 486 versa ...
shield
uneven mason
The answer is always shield
lusty grotto
it was answered first and foremost
obsidian girder
10ilvl that big of an upgrade ?
strong forum
Defensively shield, offensively bracers
opaque quest
The sooner you accept that and join the circus the happier you'll be
Yeah true. People are idiots my bad for being an optimist 
Youre right tho
obsidian girder
Okay guys, thanks for your feedback
crystal mauve
What is the better upgrade
463 crit/mastery bracers with a socket --> 486 versa ...
shield is the best 100%
uneven mason
Yeah true. People are idiots my bad for being an optimist <:keks:936231610850897...
Only 5% of the population are truly idiots, unfortunately it happens to be the 5% that draws the most attention to itself
obsidian girder
Any point where I get too much haste/versa and should get a bit crit ?
lusty grotto
7100 unbuffed haste rating
obsidian girder
Okay
lusty grotto
everything else doesn't really matter
uneven mason
Any point where I get too much haste/versa and should get a bit crit ?
1% vers too much
opaque quest
You dont want vers to begin with unless you want it for a specific reason. Crit tends to be better
Difference is marginal tho
crystal mauve
Any point where I get too much haste/versa and should get a bit crit ?
Unless you NEED the vers to survive some non physical hits in fairly high keys, crit will be better for the time being.
lusty grotto
they should really remove versa from the game
uneven mason
they should really remove versa from the game
Nimchip for design lead
lusty grotto
rename it.. idk
obsidian girder
Multistrike pls
lusty grotto
archon isnt a guide
crystal mauve
Okay, crafted everything with haste/versa - guides and archon.gg said so 🙄
don't worry too much about your stats most of your survivability will come from your gameplay. Focus on playing well rather than having the perfect stat split 🙂 You will do just fine as is
uneven mason
It's a data aggregation site
lusty grotto
☝️
uneven mason
Which is bad to use as a guide
obsidian girder
👍
uneven mason
Because it creates self perpetuating errors
lusty grotto
youre taking stats from players that are doing content they absolutely need the versa in, i guarantee you dont
and even then
obsidian girder
You need to know how the read it, like logs
lusty grotto
weve had 29s done easily with crit over versa
uneven mason
Wow content, just like physics, gets fucking weird at extremes
opaque quest
Every specc should have a mastery like frost mage too
Not just some boring % increase
lusty grotto
or even 30s, i havent kept up with the ladder
uneven mason
Idk, we could ping plka
opaque quest
Like bloodshield is cool. Unholy and frost have basically 2x vers 
crystal mauve
At the top of the ladder war seems to have somewaht even crit/vers split
lusty grotto
that seems healthy
uneven mason
Fuck that stat
opaque quest
At the top of the ladder people have 10 more ilvl and optimized gear
What they do
Is completely irrelevant for 99% of us
uneven mason
.9999
crystal mauve
What ilvl are you guys?
uneven mason
486
crystal mauve
yeah so you are at the point where you optimize for stats at least a little bit
opaque quest
Which is why I sucked it up and grabbed some more vers
My DK with 20% vers cause bad gear: How dare you
uneven mason
Because it was leading by a good amount when I only had 3%(with phial)
lusty grotto
there hasnt been a point in 25s where i think versa is better honestly
opaque quest
Yeah i get it. Game told me to grab a mastery ring for dps because i had zero
lusty grotto
that kind of varied in other seasons
uneven mason
Yeah i get it. Game told me to grab a mastery ring for dps because i had zero
It's not bad for the ap gain
opaque quest
Aye thats the point
crystal mauve
there hasnt been a point in 25s where i think versa is better honestly
In 25 I didn't feel the need for vers either, going a bit higher I do like it sometimes tho. But honestly it doesn't change THAT much to be worried about it, playing well is so much more important
lusty grotto
i mean if at this point it doesnt feel required
i dont think it'll be but im also not pushing rank 1 keys
crystal mauve
They seems to think that it's important cause they are all running at least 12% (last time I checked at least) most are closer to 20% if I remember correctly
uneven mason
@patent osprey do we ever feel like stacking vers is required
opaque quest
You wont feel a need for stats anyways. No matter what. If you optimize stats you do it for dps. Defensively all stats are so close together it doesnt matter
lusty grotto
it doesnt really matter, much less if you dont have motw
crystal mauve
<@133743762999476224> do we ever feel like stacking vers is required
We are not talking about stacking vers per se, we are talking about having some, overall balancing it with crit
crystal mauve
it doesnt really matter, much less if you dont have motw
motw?
lusty grotto
mark of the iwld
crystal mauve
thx
patent osprey
<@133743762999476224> do we ever feel like stacking vers is required
Its never required. This season Prot warrior is quite tankier than some previous iterations (except in throne against bleeds), so I'd say verse is less prominent this season than previous, but still a good option
uneven mason
opaque quest
Honestly i just sim for dps and call it a day
uneven mason
Honestly i just sim for dps and call it a day
crystal mauve
Honestly i just sim for dps and call it a day
It depends on the content you do, if nothing can kill you anyway you shouldn't consider vers. If you are at a point where you might die from non blockable/parry damage, you could consider vers to some extent. Doesn't mean you have to go all in in either direction
opaque quest
Like i said. There is no amount of vers that will save you. Good play will
Unless you got 50%+ of vers it doesnt matter
You think 10% vers will save you from anything in a 25? It wont
crystal mauve
No but I do believe 10%DR in a 28 might
Not on it's own of course, but it can help
uneven mason
What's the % increase for damage level to level for Keys
opaque quest
After 20 its 10%
opaque quest
I mean everybody can believe what he/she wants
lusty grotto
aka 20% versa
opaque quest
If someone thinks 10% dr will save him in a 28 and it works its fine
lusty grotto
when d stance gives you the same amount without any gearing swaps
lusty tiger
Tanks aren’t the ones getting 1shot tho
uneven mason
Tanks aren’t the ones getting 1shot tho
Not wrong
lusty grotto
right
theres just 2 bosses that are rough
idk about versa stacking for just 2 bosses..
lusty tiger
Maybe a world first key level
Until then it’s play better or get a healer w an external
lusty grotto
right
crystal mauve
My healer is a shaman so I'm fucked 😄
lusty tiger
No external (other than 6% permanent)
uneven mason
SLT
crystal mauve
Anyway, there is a reason why higher keys are done with cheat death/ Rageheart and prot warrior have a decent balance of crit/vers overall but it's all relative to what content you are doing
opaque quest
Cheath death is done for safety
Because a wipe fucks up a key
Not because warr dies
opaque quest
The amount of half knowledge is brutal
lusty tiger
opaque quest
crystal mauve
The amount of half knowledge is brutal
I guess I'm just bad and need help surviving and that's ok ^^
opaque quest
Ofcourse thats ok
lusty tiger
Nothing wrong w cheat death trinket
Still good to find out where your gameplay is lacking though
uneven mason
opaque quest
You also need to remember that in top keys the damage is way way higher. In the grand scheme of things an augury on a tank wont make much of a difference whereas in a 23 people dont press their buttons and a trinket does way more dmg % wise
crystal mauve
You also need to remember that in top keys the damage is way way higher. In the ...
You mean the tank damage is less releval in higher keys?
opaque quest
No i mean good players do way more damage because they dont mess shit up
lusty grotto
Anyway, there is a reason why higher keys are done with cheat death/ Rageheart a...
these are much much higher defensive gains than 20% versa
rageheart at least
opaque quest
They also get the damage lost from a trinket back by getting better stats
lusty grotto
and cheat is obviously required at that point just as a way to deal with random shit happening
crystal mauve
They also get the damage lost from a trinket back by getting better stats
Rageheart is better stats than Augury?
restive scroll
It's a pretty neat tanking trinket, with decent damage, so yes
Very nice for a short CD, to help out with some pulls
crystal mauve
these are much much higher defensive gains than 20% versa
I'm not trying to convice anyone, I'm just looking at what the best warrior are doing. It might not apply to everyone but they seems to consider vers as a relevant stats since their crafter items are with vers. If we assume they play well and they already used some vers when doing they 27/28 (and still in higher keys) it not too far fetch to say that they vers can help overall.
crystal mauve
you have 10% DR with earth shield
I never have the earth shields, DPS need it to survive
lusty grotto
I'm not trying to convice anyone, I'm just looking at what the best warrior are ...
it doesnt
it makes no difference
you yourself mentioned its a split
crystal mauve
Well I guess they are wrong then
lusty grotto
if it helped so much you'd figure it would be 100% on one of the stats
like versatile corruption BFA
crystal mauve
I've never said that you should stack it, I said it's a stat to consider when you die from non block/parry damage in high enough key level
urban portal
during any given pack the highest damage you take is blockable
crystal mauve
DHT 2nd boss tyranical, Last boss of rise, bleeds from dogs in Tott, Boon debuff in Fall, casters in EB... I don't know there is a bunch of stuff I can't block/parry that can be dangerous to some extent
lusty grotto
heres a list of non-blockable dangerous abilities: 1 bleed stack from doggies in tott, magic dot stacks from spiders in BRH negated by absorb shields like rageheart, tree grip, deios breath dot
thats 4 scenarios, 2 of which are completely negated by proper play
crystal mauve
I'm not saying having 10% DR with vers is going to change everything and I'll magically survive, I'm saying it COULD in some higher keys be relevant
lusty grotto
boon is also negated by rageheart
bloom*
ok but
do you really think 10% dr will save you?
at that point?
if you misuse cds
lusty grotto
cause youll probably be floor pov
basically just proccing that cheat
cheat will do more than 20% versa total
at that point
pliant trout
do you really think 10% dr will save you?
shield wall is only 40% dr
i mean 10% can totally save you lol
lusty grotto
who the fuck is talking about wall
pliant trout
depends on the situation
crystal mauve
Only thing I'm saying is : the top warrior are using vers to some extent in the most difficult content, so it seems to be a decent stat to consider in specific scenarios. It doens't make you survive on it's on, it can help in specific situations. I play with a reletive split of crit/vers cause I like it better, I'm not telling anyone to stack vers
lusty grotto
thats fine
urban portal
or the top warrior can be DRed on crit and haste
lusty grotto
like i said its also slightly better to run it with a druid around
urban portal
so vers is the next best thing
lusty grotto
very very slightly
urban portal
just like how for every DPS class they need to start taking their 3rd stat now
crystal mauve
or the top warrior can be DRed on crit and haste
They are not, they are running aroud 3.5k crit, far from any DR
toxic pewter
When war within alpha and beta starting
warm plinth
Did someone say shield wall was only 40% dr
crystal mauve
just like top warriors running codex
codex?
warm plinth
Codex of the first technique
urban portal
its a trinket ppl ran in shadowlands that was absolute dogshit but top tanks still ran it
it took a whole year for theorycrafters to convince people off of it
crystal mauve
oooh yeah I remember, I was looking from something from DF
pliant trout
crit is good in niche application where you literally hope for good rng to avoid fucking a lot of damage, verse is a safer dr% source
urban portal
not only in prot warrior but in literally every other tank discord
lusty grotto
ghash have fun with the abilitybotter
urban portal
crit is good in niche application where you literally hope for good rng to avoid...
the problem is that vers is half as good as crit, 1% crit is like 0.9%-1% parry
1% vers is 0.5% DR
warm plinth
Crit rng is very normalized in keys due to the volume of attacks happening.
crystal mauve
It's a bit different tho cause codex was double downing on our strenght while vers help with something we are bad at
lusty grotto
guy literally joined disc, said they botted ability usage before archi came in here to shut him the fuck up
warm plinth
You're never counting on parry for a buster
lusty grotto
spams twitch emotes for some reason
the frog cop
anyone paying attention to the guy, well you shouldnt
warm plinth
prot warrs have rarely problems with hits
Check your damage breakdown in keys
Damage taken
pliant trout
if you take damage "slowly" it doesnt matter
crystal mauve
Physical hits are the highest damage taken overall (because you take a LOT of melee hits over the course of 30mins), but it's the damage we can smooth out the most and is the least likely to kill us. What kills you is a cast, never a melee
pliant trout
only spikes matter
warm plinth
Okay then how is 10% dr relevant when you could literally get any other stat for a lot cheaper which also gives you survival.
urban portal
plka doesnt even defensive stance crushing grip on a 27
opaque quest
Placebo is one hell of a drug
urban portal
hes chilling
crystal mauve
plka doesnt even defensive stance crushing grip on a 27
Depends on the healer and externals tho....
pliant trout
if you heal pumps etc then sure
pliant trout
you probably can not use any defs at all
urban portal
no externals
pliant trout
verse is a good stat thats it. nothing more
crystal mauve
plka doesnt even defensive stance crushing grip on a 27
Also in his las 27 DHT he is running with two high vers rings, he is looking for a bit of vers somewhere. He could have more crit instead
pliant trout
27 is a low key lol
i mean entry high key
most players can do it without anything special
crystal mauve
What does the healer have to do with this
For the grip in DHT? A Disc can solo heal you with pain sup without you doing anything, so the healer has everything to do with that mecanic lol
opaque quest
Also in his las 27 DHT he is running with two high vers rings, he is looking for...
He is because vers is simming higher than crit when you got to much crit
warm plinth
I'm not talking about the grip in dht. I was talking about stat comparison
In general
urban portal
also plka has that shit enchanted for mastery
i have a feeling the rings are for dps warrior
its a vers mastery ring cnchanted and gemmed for mastery
i have a feeling its for fury and not prot
opaque quest
I mean Pika himself said vers isnt needed. So if he gets some its just for dps i bet
That was 30 minutes ago
urban portal
i'm like 99% sure its because hes playing fury in raid
opaque quest
Ya
urban portal
if he actually cared about vers he would be enchanting vers also
lusty grotto
and plka has been very vocal in favor of vers in the past
which speaks volumes
if he says its not required this season
urban portal
then you notice his 2nd ring which is haste vers but also double enchanted for haste
which means that just the best ring hes got for prot
im 99% sure he wouldnt be socketing a 483 ring for fun
crystal mauve
@opaque quest - In the last DHT 27 he is running 2650 crit vs 4266 vers I don't know what to tell you
urban portal
it probably dropped with a socket thats why hes using it
lusty grotto
its just an ability botter spreading misinformation, lets move on
urban portal
I literally explained you why hes using those rings
opaque quest
I literally explained you why hes using those rings
Bots cant read
Or can they? Lets ask Chat GPT
urban portal
bots can read
urban portal
i use chatgpt to summarize stuff all the time
opaque quest
Chat gpt is a bot
Thats the joke
urban portal
its so nice
warm plinth
Oh
urban portal
those fine prints are no match for me now
opaque quest
I use GPT to write code for me for my arduinos
warm plinth
Just don't use it for excel formulas
tribal wharf
i have an idea
warm plinth
It's terrible at them
opaque quest
Cant be worse than me. In my final year i got an F in math because of binomic formulas
urban portal
Just don't use it for excel formulas
ive been using it though
its not too bad if its simple
sometimes IF statements get too long
opaque quest
Just dont ask it to draw a circle
tribal wharf
yogi the bad protection warrior in world of warcraft who wiped his raid
ChatGPT
"Yogi" isn't a character typically associated with World of Warcraft, but I can create a fictional scenario based on your prompt:
Yogi, a protection warrior in World of Warcraft, was known amongst his guild as a jovial and friendly player. However, despite his amiable nature, Yogi had a tendency to make mistakes during raids.
During one particularly challenging raid encounter against a powerful boss, Yogi's performance as the main tank was crucial. As the raid progressed, Yogi failed to execute his rotation properly, leading to him losing aggro on the boss several times. This caused chaos among the raid group as other players struggled to maintain control of the encounter.
In a critical moment, Yogi inadvertently positioned the boss in such a way that it cleaved through the entire raid group, resulting in a catastrophic wipe. His fellow guild members were frustrated and disappointed by this costly mistake.
Despite his best intentions, Yogi's lack of attention to detail and poor execution ultimately led to the failure of the raid. However, instead of blaming him, the guild decided to offer him constructive feedback and support to help him improve his performance in future raids. Yogi humbly accepted their advice and vowed to work harder to become a better protection warrior for his guildmates.
how much accurate
opaque quest
Despite his best intentions, Yogi's lack of attention to detail and poor execution ultimately led to the failure of the raid.
POG
Roasted by AI
tribal wharf
Yogi failed to execute his rotation properly, leading to him losing aggro on the boss several times
warm plinth
Haven't seen a yogi video in a while
lusty grotto
he posted some yesterday i thought
warm plinth
I'm disappointed
warm plinth
He posts them unlisted
opaque quest
Shame
tribal wharf
it does have real names in the chat is why
so it would doxx me possibly? im not sure, i have to turn that setting off
opaque quest
Time to swat yogi
lusty grotto
lol i hope he doesnt mean that
warm plinth
Me?
lusty grotto
no, yogi
warm plinth
Oh
lusty grotto
that isnt doxxing at all
tribal wharf
ya well
warm plinth
Well
tribal wharf
thats if you even wrote ite all down
warm plinth
If you have real IDs it could dox friends I suppose
opaque quest
I wrote everything down
warm plinth
It's not your current one. It was on one of the logs you posted quite a while ago
opaque quest
Yogis real name is chad thundercock
tribal wharf
oh ya i forgot about that
opaque quest
Chad thundercock from 100% blocked hits ville
opaque quest
VDH nerfs after MDI?
lusty grotto
i honestly dont think they should
like maybe remove the extra sigil on silence and fear
opaque quest
Na just patch them out of the game
Just DH in general so the 12 year olds migrate to rogue and give me more shroud
crystal mauve
If anything they would buff others not to fuck with the m+ score/ranking. If they nerf too hard some key will be locked forever and not doable by anyone else and it goes against the competitive idea
opaque quest
If anything they would buff others not to fuck with the m+ score/ranking. If the...
Ah yes because they didnt lower Key difficulty last season
lusty grotto
If anything they would buff others not to fuck with the m+ score/ranking. If the...
that would be ideal yea
crystal mauve
It’s different to change something as a whole - a key difficulty compared to nerf a specific class. Also it wasn’t during the season, but I might not remember correctly the dates
plush tendon
this season is relatively well balanced as opposed to the god comp of last season
opaque quest
What im saying is that they dont have a problem fucking up the integrity of the keys
plush tendon
a bunch of different comps and setups are seeing great success at the highest keys
opaque quest
Not saying they should lower diff again
crystal mauve
I don’t know about you but I would rather get buffed to match DH than see other tanks get nerfed to our level
tribal wharf
echo omegalul
plush tendon
also, if you are expecting any changes this late into the expac or season... sorry, but that train has passed
opaque quest
Ofcourse we all wanna get buffed to VDH level but that wont happen
Just like they didnt buff other healers to Hpal level
Or other tanks to bear level
warm plinth
Buffing 5 specs to one spec's level (which really isn't a thing anyway since their only advantage is one talent) is a dumb thing to do.
plush tendon
the double sigil is only really egregious this season; for whatever reason, these older remake dungeons like ToT and EB just require so many kicks
plush tendon
but its so much less of a issue in DF dungeons
tribal wharf
mdi is turning into a shit show
warm plinth
the double sigil is only really egregious this season; for whatever reason, thes...
Exactly. It's because the old dungeons don't have the tech they're using in DF dungeons where dangerous casts can't happen at the same time.
So vdh is giga valuable
lusty grotto
also the tech where stops count as mini kick silences
as in they dont recast
for a bit
opaque quest
warm plinth
Prot pal is an okay substitute but I agree generally.
plush tendon
same with EB
tribal wharf
i will be VERY interested to see the throne mdi keys
plush tendon
i will be VERY interested to see the throne mdi keys
theyll smoke it
warm plinth
And it requires more skill from ppal since they have to swap targets and stuff
opaque quest
I dont know why blizzard is so opposed to the idea that tankss in general should just be able to control alot of mobs
warm plinth
Where vdh is just like lul circle on ground
tribal wharf
ehhh they are goofing on AD lol
plush tendon
And it requires more skill from ppal since they have to swap targets and stuff
the advantage of prot paladin is they can act as a support healer in keys
plush tendon
sacs, wogs, spellwarding etc.
opaque quest
Ye but you dont need a supp healer when mobs are just perma stopped
plush tendon
you need a super healer for certain bosses
opaque quest
In forti at least ofc
plush tendon
3rd boss EB
warm plinth
Well like last season, offhealing was big
lusty grotto
wizard groups again
plush tendon
or witches in WM
lusty grotto
at least theres some variety now
warm plinth
Swarm is actually fuckin savage
Can also bop glaive on 2nd boss which is quite nasty as well
lusty grotto
yea
plush tendon
Ret Paladin has also been a pretty good pickup in pug groups
opaque quest
Sac is just goated
warm plinth
Yeah sac is great
plush tendon
they also just timed a 29 ToT with VDH: Ret, Fury, Shadow, Resto Shaman
blazing condor
sac dn
lusty grotto
opaque quest
never even got a fyrakk trinket
Gonna be a wild gravestone
blazing condor
opaque quest
blazing condor
too bad u cant rotate text in ms paint
lusty tiger
tribal wharf
damnit, its not fair
opaque quest
too bad u cant rotate text in ms paint
I was googling and the first popup on google was meme
fml
blazing condor
its a good meme
opaque quest
blazing condor
mf using über google
opaque quest
wtf is über google
blazing condor
deft hinge
What is up with block reduction with/without weapon? I have more block reduction without weapon then with
deft hinge
ahh kk
opaque quest
Just had 5 leavers in 7 games. Just remembered why i didnt play OW in a few weeks
Holy fuck
blazing condor
i miss ow1
ow2 was a shot in the foot
"lets make this extra game where u can also play PvE!!! isn't that cool guys just leave ur old game and come play this new one"
"also the PvE isn't really a thing. buy our battlepass"
uneven mason
"also the PvE isn't really a thing. buy our battlepass"
This
blazing condor
u want any cosmetics? well how much money u got?
literally no one asked for any of it
uneven mason
I was hyped for the story mode
"Oh wait no, it's just bullshit"
lusty tiger
"also the PvE isn't really a thing. buy our battlepass"
Tru
Ow2 is fun af with a premade
Ow2 solo is torturous
winged slate
Ever since they swapped to lazy balance and sanitized the comps I lost interest in that game
God forbid me and the homies wanna play 6x roadhog for fun
opaque quest
I didnt play this and last season because i was so sick of the mauga meta
Turns out hes still way to good and nothing changed
Its still mercy kiriko mauga ashe soldier
Been that way for at least 6 months im so sick of it
lusty tiger
Just purple him and he falls over
lusty tiger
He also needs mad healer attention which weakens the rest of the team
Omg
Well fuck u
All 10 people
That u play with
opaque quest
Healer attention is true but mercy is still unreachable x)
opaque quest
Mate this isnt quick play
Mercy will sit behind their team AND a wall
Support
I tend to play lucio to fuck with mercy till she swaps
frosty anvil
are there any abilities in our kit that we ignore? trying to reduce the button bloat
winged slate
Slam, whirlwind
opaque quest
If you arent doing any higher keys and only do weekly stuff you dont need Hamstring either
dusky canopy
lusty grotto
yeah wizard comp 
lusty grotto
mage lock sp
all mages
all wizards
i mean its a wizard comp cause melee kicks arent needed with double silence sigils and misery x2
opaque quest
Oh got it
lusty grotto
plus chaos brand
blazing condor
shadow wizard money gang
lusty tiger
!
warm plinth
We naming m+ comps like pvp now?
lusty grotto
lol
well lepan's team has always been called like that
i think
same with dorki's
and of course same with naowh/gingi
well dorki's was NA's last hope
and now its just last hope?
warm plinth
Oh like the team name is that?
warm plinth
I wouldn't give either of them the credit of being wizards tbh
warm plinth
Though I guess ele fits wizard more than spries
Spriest
Ended my Friday sweating my balls off putting a chair together
But I'm free now 
lusty grotto
idk like magic casting classes have always been called wizards in my circles at least lol
sweating?!
warm plinth
I am fat and that's why it was hard. It's a heavy ass chair
lusty grotto
well i guess it depends where but its 50F here so no sweaty
opaque quest
I am fat and that's why it was hard. It's a heavy ass chair
What kind of chair was it please dont say gaming
warm plinth
Oh I mean I was in my office
warm plinth
Nah it's an office chair of some sort
opaque quest
Very good Very good
lusty grotto
mesh office chair = bis
warm plinth
I have a secretly at home
opaque quest
I swapped from maxnomic to office chair with mesh and its chefs kiss
warm plinth
Secret lab
opaque quest
Yikes
warm plinth
It's fantastic
opaque quest
You like sweating on the cheap leather that will peel off in 2 months?
lusty grotto
i havent even tried them, well i guess ive sat on my friend's sometimes
opaque quest
I always thought my maxnomic and Dxracer was comfy but now i got a herman miller aeron and holy fuck
warm plinth
I'm not paying 1200 for a chair that looks like a 100 dollar office chair
opaque quest
Was searching through ebay for some time before i found one
opaque quest
Aye
lusty grotto
but yeah kind of expensive off the bat, thats why i dont buy them
opaque quest
They are worth every penny and you can get them used for 200
lusty grotto
but ive been known to ask if they are replacing chairs in the office just in case i can nab a free one
warm plinth
Kek
lusty grotto
what a steal
warm plinth
My titan xl was like 500? And it's just as solid and comfortable as the day i got it 2 1/2 years ago
lusty grotto
yeah thats all that matters
opaque quest
Agreed
opaque quest
Im 5'10
Smol person
Oh boi my FiiO arrives tomorrow
Cant wait to experience my headphones 2 weeks after buying them
lusty grotto
im 5'11" short gangg
toxic pewter
I am tall where is matters
lusty grotto
toxic pewter
Just keep food ordering to death
opaque quest
I cant afford that sooo thank god?
toxic pewter
These damn food delivery apps want me dead
opaque quest
I ordered salad earlier this week with some chicken and it cost me 13 euros
toxic pewter
They gave me free 9 dollar burrito
I say free like the food isn’t a rip off in delivery app tho lmao
opaque quest
Our delivery app just had all the restaurants listed and you order through the app. Basically food dropshipping
toxic pewter
13 dollar salad wtf
opaque quest
Ya inflation hit like a truck here
toxic pewter
Yeah ngl that’s about what it is here too
opaque quest
Salad is more expensive than meat now
toxic pewter
Yeah it is
lusty grotto
yeah i feel like delivery apps arent worth it unless you have the sub thing
and only if you use them a lot
i just pick up my shit nowadays
its too expensive
opaque quest
Most restaurants in the app here have 0 delivery fee. Some have 1 or 2 €
But i dont order when its more than 0 cause im cheap
lusty grotto
hearty terrace
Is Bstance Weveing still a thing? Going in and out in keys?
hearty terrace
I ment defensive stance
lusty grotto
what about it
and what do you mean by "going in and out of keys"?
also do you mean stance dancing by any chance?
hearty terrace
Yes
lusty grotto
ok so what do you mean when you say "going in and out of keys"
oh
IN keys
yea stance dancing is a thing
not as much as dancing more like
hearty terrace
It’s self-explanatory in keys do you still do it
lusty grotto
you swap to Dstance for defensive usage
go right back to bstance after shit doesnt hurt
hearty terrace
Okey cool so the damage in take is to high to sit in Battle for a wile
Cool 😎 that’s all I needed to know
lusty grotto
for the most part youll be in battle stance
you just swap to dstance when you expect shit to truck
wild snow
so i just hit 40 and im looking to start tanking gnomer, but im having trouble holding threat in BFD, even with the alpha buff
lusty grotto
this is a retail discord
lusty grotto
wild snow
well then, that post i read was wrong
lusty grotto
but idk if theyll help you there
which post
cause they def shouldnt be linking to this disc, this is retail for the most part
skyhold as in the warrior class hall in legion
wild snow
Oh it's just google being bad. I searched "season of discovey warrior discord" and this was the first result
lusty grotto
i ask because there was a person asking yesterday
oh i see
like i told that person, classic-related warrior discord used to be Fight Club
wild snow
searched "https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=season+of+discovery+class+discords&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8". got this wowhead post: https://www.wowhead.com/discord-servers, led me here
lusty grotto
but im unsure if they are doing SoD or if it even exists
anyway before you search for the Fight Club discord
try #vanilla-discussion, maybe there's some people playing SoD there
pliant trout
Iridikron pump https://i.imgur.com/wJe1n5a.png
wrecking throw is a meme idk https://i.imgur.com/uKDbuXt.png
https://i.imgur.com/QR0v0KW.png
wild snow
@lusty grotto Thx a ton mate
pliant trout
rezans eye would be probably better than heart btw, but i switched after 2nd boss so would be more risky, so idk worth only to show off, or on 29+
but idk maybe there you need the heart for defs
lusty grotto
<@131897531251556352> Thx a ton mate
no problem!
strong forum
Iridikron pump https://i.imgur.com/wJe1n5a.png
wrecking throw is a meme idk htt...
600k dmg for 1 global
kinda worth