protection

[lusty grotto]

lol bull

thats what he meant

[median tulip]

Hi

[modern brook]

oh

is responses not english?

[lusty grotto]

hmm

you might be on to something

could be usable in both languages, i suppose french might have a tilde though?

[uneven mason]

Hi

[opaque peak]

do we know if the builds for prot will change much in 10.2?

[modern brook]

Maybe non-english words use fake accent letters all the time

[lusty grotto]

they are pinned

[hot willow]

Yeah, was on return like "retour" in french which is the same as replies

[uneven mason]

We won't take bolster

[opaque peak]

@lusty grotto ill check out the pins ty

[lusty grotto]

but yes ikarikaze has the tl;dr

[uneven mason]

Going to miss you shield shockwave

[lusty grotto]

oh no dont say that

[dusky canopy]

LOL!!

Practically useless

[lusty grotto]

youll summon the shockwave spec idiots

[uneven mason]

We haven't had a good like that in a while

[modern brook]

i play sonic boom > Unstoppable force cause i get to say HERE COMES DUH BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM every 30s or whtaever and thats kinda cool

[dusky canopy]

Whirlwinning bois

[lusty grotto]

[median tulip]

Maybe next expansion we will get one of the Tier effects back as a talent

I'd still prefer them to #BringBackBanner though

[uneven mason]

I nominate our current 4p

It's crunchy

[lusty grotto]

ideally they would move kyrian spear up somewhere, and put banner there

but idk about it since dps specs might just ignore it

[dusky canopy]

YO Banner execute with current arms

[modern brook]

i mean they should just make the bottom like this hang on

[dusky canopy]

Nutty

[uneven mason]

Imagine getting a choice node for the SL abilities

Unpopular opinion - give me

[lusty grotto]

also before we summon guilford, buff the dumb spear

[median tulip]

I mean there's 3 spaces on the last line of the Prot tree could do with filling with something useful

[plush tendon]

[uneven mason]

I was a winter queen simp because a fuckin non Dr ae interrupt

[plush tendon]

I loved ancient aftershock

[uneven mason]

You ain't casting shit for 6s

[median tulip]

I didn't mind AA, but Banner was bae

[plush tendon]

couldve been a choice node with Spear

[lusty grotto]

ghost doge refuses to drop

[plush tendon]

does anyone play Spear anymore?

[uneven mason]

Don't get me wrong, I wanted to go maldraxxus for the raw Eddie vibes

[median tulip]

You see it every now and again. It's not exactly awful

[uneven mason]

Fury I think

[lusty grotto]

yes bull yes

[plush tendon]

I personally think that Avatar and UF/the other one should be somewhere in the middle of the tree

[uneven mason]

Swap spear with banner, so we can keep current paths

[modern brook]

EH

[lusty grotto]

yeah avatar shouldn't be that deep

every single spec and their variants use it

[modern brook]

they need to just adjust gates so that the avatar + UF is 4 talents

[median tulip]

This implies that Shockwave goes somewhere more easily accessible, so I approve

[uneven mason]

#makeavatardefault

#makeshockwave default

[modern brook]

and then you get to take all 3 without buffs, or two cds with major buffs, or lean into one heavily + another with lower investment

[median tulip]

That is a fair point. It is a build core ability

[real fossil]

ministun would be some very nice utility

[lusty grotto]

just put the avatar leggo in it without bladestorm like they did with arms

[modern brook]

I will atke no other questions just know im right and try and convince yourself of that i have to go to a meeting

[lusty grotto]

kings whatever i fucking forget

[plush tendon]

yea, shockwave up from the bottom

those two shockwave talents can be scraped and given to AA

[uneven mason]

Avatar

[plush tendon]

place Avatar in a similar place to where Pal Wings are

[lusty grotto]

agreed

[dusky canopy]

Yo this guys paint skills are lightning fast

[lusty grotto]

put shockwave where berserking rage is and make brage baseline again

[uneven mason]

Ms projects

[lusty grotto]

because why the fuck isnt it baseline

[plush tendon]

like, thats a great spot

[uneven mason]

They must be project managers

[mighty valley]

such a good ms paint job i thought it was the real talent tree

[median tulip]

As far as I cann tell, the only reason Shockwave is so deep in the tree is because it's available to Arms and they had to make it a cost to get for PvP. All of which is due to the decision to make it Warrior-general rather than Protection-specific

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-gif-23918002

[uneven mason]

Can't let those filthy DPS warriors actually have a functioning stop

[dusky canopy]

This is a warrior chad zone

[median tulip]

The point he is making is that Avatar is analogous to that Pally Talent in effect and build-core-status, so it should be in a similar position on our tree

[plush tendon]

yea, Im just pointing out a good spot for a core CD to be placed so we can get Avatar out of that corner

[dusky canopy]

Oh true true I like that too ye

[plush tendon]

100% if DH can have Nova, Imprison, and Misery, we should be able to have Shockwave, Stormbolt, fear bomb

[real fossil]

yeah you can't give a melee dps a good stop like that it

[uneven mason]

Would make them like, ww havoc ret rogues hunters or warlocks

[plush tendon]

without having to invest high value bottom tier points

[dusky canopy]

Are we in the same game as windwalker and havoc?

[lusty grotto]

buff windwalkers 😦

[opaque quest]

^

[uneven mason]

Even mages have an ae stop

[lusty grotto]

i want my mystic touch goddamn it

[real fossil]

giving everyone the same utility is flavorless, but what is warriors flavor? zug zug? bshout in a caster meta?

[plush tendon]

I mean, we need to prepare for the upcoming storm of flavor Havocs

[uneven mason]

Zug zug

[dusky canopy]

Windwalker is honestly such a good spec

It’s very fun to play once you learn it

[uneven mason]

We look fuckin amazing

[lusty grotto]

yes brew, buff em

[uneven mason]

That's our flavor

[median tulip]

Have they made it not shit in raid?

[dusky canopy]

It’s still just the two raid buff spec with dogshit ST

[plush tendon]

then it could be a choice node between stormbolt and shockwave if we really need to seperate them

[dusky canopy]

But it’s so fun to play

Wish they’d buff it

A lot

[plush tendon]

but maybe this is a 11.0 fix

[real fossil]

if fear could be less annoying with menace maybe that would be nice, if we had the talent point

[uneven mason]

Storm bolt and gag order choice node, change my mind

[lusty grotto]

fear isnt annoying?

fear is fine as it is

tf you on about

[plush tendon]

fear bomb saved my life once in HC classic at level 57

[median tulip]

Half of the stuff I ever want to Stop is immune to Stuns and Fears anyway

[plush tendon]

it holds a special place in my heart

[uneven mason]

Fear bomb was how we win AV and that fuckin bridge the alliance have

[plush tendon]

how about we get retaliation back

now thats a CD

[real fossil]

yeah i guess its rare the 6 person cap matters

[uneven mason]

Make it a node under dbts

[dusky canopy]

Just make SS cast free IP and give us arms legion talent focused rage so we can prevent rage cap with it and have 300% SS casts

[uneven mason]

Intimidating didn't have a cap in vanilla

[dusky canopy]

[plush tendon]

cost 30 rage though

[lusty tiger]

so u can get uf, tr, and banner without MS

[uneven mason]

Who misses mop heroic strike

Like just give me that

[lusty grotto]

oh boy you mentioned mop

[dusky canopy]

Anytime I have to que a spell I’m hating my spec

[uneven mason]

Vengeance

[lusty grotto]

i wonder how long it'll be until someone mentions

[dusky canopy]

Imagine having to que heroic strike ontop of a SS in the same global

That’s just dog

[plush tendon]

I didnt play Warrior until BFA... before then I was a noob and stance swapping made me scared

[lusty grotto]

yeah HS being an AA queue is just no bueno anymore

[uneven mason]

Mop hs was just an off GCD dump

[plush tendon]

[lusty grotto]

☝️

[lusty tiger]

so uhhh

guys

[dusky canopy]

You just macro the required stance to each ability and never think about it

[uneven mason]

No

[lusty tiger]

youre just talking about wanting revenge off gcd

at the end of the day

[plush tendon]

but I was noob.... I didnt understand macros

[lusty grotto]

kind of the same purpose yes

[uneven mason]

As long as I can macro it to "cleave"

[lusty tiger]

XD

[lusty grotto]

would be cleave but yea

[plush tendon]

Cleave is like Revenge at home

tbh

[uneven mason]

For us old timers

[dusky canopy]

Just make a macro

[uneven mason]

Revenge is the cleave at home

[plush tendon]

D:

[lusty grotto]

cleave most certainly wasnt like revenge at home

yea ikari is right

[dusky canopy]

#showtooltip cleave
/cast Revenge

Use the cleave icon

[lusty tiger]

ok so just ds and revenge off gcd with banner and pwar is the best spec in the game to play

[warm plinth]

The fuck does at home mean

[lusty grotto]

brew youre a genious

[median tulip]

It's a meme granddad

[uneven mason]

[dusky canopy]

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

This minute is literally the first time I've seen it said.

[lusty grotto]

[uneven mason]

"mom I want McDonald's"
"No dear we have hamburgers at home"

[plush tendon]

its like saying 'mom can we get McDs!' and shes like 'no, we have McDs at home' and at home you have like hamburger helper and Rtiz Crackers

[uneven mason]

Jinx fucker

[lusty grotto]

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-have-food-at-home

[lusty tiger]

jeebuus

i think i just got older reading this

[lusty grotto]

get fucked jeree

[dusky canopy]

Imagine aging

[uneven mason]

Hey I'm like oldest one here and I got it

[dusky canopy]

Just be immortal 4head

[lusty grotto]

ez

[median tulip]

Funny, I thought I was the oldest one here

[opaque quest]

Immortals still age tho

[uneven mason]

Forgot to wish for eternal youth

[lusty tiger]

Couldn’t be me

[dusky canopy]

Nice floof sir

[lusty tiger]

not even my cat XD

[waxen frigate]

Me when I see jerry

[opaque quest]

Decapitating someome with a blunt weapon takes skill

[uneven mason]

"who's litter box did I just shit in"

[lusty tiger]

[uneven mason]

Have you played cyberpunk

[median tulip]

buggy POS

[dusky canopy]

A lot of force can achieve just about anything

[uneven mason]

The amount of "blunt decaps" is in believable

[waxen frigate]

Jerry pov

[opaque quest]

Well V is Smasher²

[dusky canopy]

You gotta add horse blinders

[uneven mason]

My favorite is when you high-five yourself through their head with gorilla arms

[dusky canopy]

It’s not like we accept opposite points of view

1 sided highway gang

[waxen frigate]

I do as long as they align with mine (my views are correct)

[median tulip]

wut

[dusky canopy]

[dusky canopy]

Lmfao

[lusty tiger]

me i guess

[waxen frigate]

Confirmed

[lusty tiger]

XD

nish is going to dox me now

[opaque quest]

Dw you are save. I wont be anywhere near that thing

[lusty tiger]

are u baerforceone?

[dusky canopy]

It looks like it could be a lies of P enemy

[opaque quest]

Bierforceone

[toxic pewter]

dang ngl the new wow synthwave beats pretty good

[lusty tiger]

c00ked take

[waxen frigate]

Your name is Walter Harwell White. You live at 308 Negra Arroyo Lane, Albuquerque, New Mexico, 87104.

[dusky canopy]

Ohhhhh

Gottem

[lusty tiger]

i would be okay with any of you coming over and smoking a blunt with me

[waxen frigate]

How bout you synthesize a cure for cancer

[opaque quest]

Swatting time

[toxic pewter]

they already have a cure for cancer

[waxen frigate]

It’s me

[toxic pewter]

but you make more money treating people

instead of curing them

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/not-sure-hmm-thinking-are-you-serious-fry-gif-16246481

[toxic pewter]

its a joke

but people do actually believe that

[opaque quest]

Well ppl also believe 5g gives them aids and corona was planned. Ppl are dumb

[lusty tiger]

i mean chemo + immunotherapy is pretty effective if your body is healthy enough to do those treatments

[dusky canopy]

Why fix a problem for a dollar when you can cure it over time for 10

Duhhhh

[uneven mason]

It was planned

[lusty tiger]

6g cures my aids

[toxic pewter]

it is kind of awkward how hard it has become to know what is true in the world these days

[sweet summit]

5g aids

[toxic pewter]

social media truly has ruined the world

[dusky canopy]

Fucking hell.. guys did you see the national security test Tin foil hat shit

Apparently the test was to expose us to radiation

[uneven mason]

By McDonald's, they needed to clear out the obese population in a manner that doesn't get them blamed

Obviously

[toxic pewter]

state department just issued a worldwide travel caution

[dusky canopy]

Lmfao 🤣

[opaque quest]

We dont have national tests here in europe. We are normal

[toxic pewter]

well world war 3 has started

[lusty tiger]

soft *

[toxic pewter]

i guess when the nukes come look out of your window

we will get a text

[uneven mason]

Still have air raid sirens

[opaque quest]

Ye we had tests 2 weeks ago or so for them

[uneven mason]

[toxic pewter]

lol

[opaque quest]

Just making fun of my burger eating friends

We dont get the SMS thingy tho

[toxic pewter]

its not even an sms its like a built in phone announcement thing

like when someone goes missing etc

at least it was for iphone for me

wait in europe do you get messages if someone is missing or somethin like that

[opaque quest]

Na we dont

[modern brook]

You can notify your whole country on horseback bro

[toxic pewter]

in texas where I live we get a bunch

like if a little girl was kidnapped a message goes out to everyone

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-pony-cowboy-gif-2995563736017324837

[uneven mason]

Amber alerts are a solely na region based thing

[toxic pewter]

ok

[dusky canopy]

Bull with the high quality takes always
Love it

[opaque quest]

I learned about amber alerts 2 days ago when i watched wendigoon

Never knew what its about

[toxic pewter]

yeah just was curious if eu had something similar

[opaque quest]

Nope

Only the news

[uneven mason]

Like one of my buddies works with the national amber alter dispatch and they have to make decisions on what alerts go out

[toxic pewter]

scary times we are living in right now

[lusty grotto]

not really

[uneven mason]

Because if every one was sent people would smash their phones

[lusty grotto]

you just didnt hear shit back in the day

but it still happened

[uneven mason]

This

[lusty grotto]

which is scarier

[toxic pewter]

hmmm

this is sort of like retail vs classic wow

LOL

[lusty grotto]

oh no

[uneven mason]

World's actually safer, but information from much farther reaches you instantly

[toxic pewter]

in classic wow we didnt hear shit

no wowhead

nothin

[lusty grotto]

yes you did

[opaque quest]

Just dont test for corona so it doesnt exist

[lusty grotto]

thottbot

[toxic pewter]

thott

yea

[lusty grotto]

dont make me go through this conversation again

[toxic pewter]

was nowhere near how it is now though

[lusty grotto]

ima go get lunch

[opaque quest]

[toxic pewter]

godspeed

[uneven mason]

I mean I was in guild with the dude who created casters realm , you can bet your ass we were data mining and sharing

[toxic pewter]

yesterday the people were making exact opposite argument toward me

and today i flipped sides and now its opposite again LOL

[opaque quest]

POG

FINALLY HORSEMAN MOUNT

AFTER 15 YEARS

[uneven mason]

Those people were not sweaty neckbeards in 2004 who hardcore raided in eq

[uneven mason]

Gratz on your pity mount

[opaque quest]

Btw Ika i wanted to ask what keyrange and Raid you do on your prot warr

[sick sentinel]

if i get a 4th oce on bdk im quttin

aintnoway its gunna happen again

[waxen frigate]

LMAO

[opaque quest]

Blizz knew it and gave me Halloween Horsie 2 mins after he said that

So i can notify the whole country on my flying horseback

[waxen frigate]

I think we should blow up europe and sink it into the ocean

[opaque quest]

Agreed

[lusty grotto]

whoa whoa

[lusty tiger]

it is an american story

get off my horse

[opaque quest]

Would make america no longer look like a third world country

[lusty tiger]

🤔

[lusty grotto]

i just want ghost doge 😦

ive had mount for decades

also got the rein skin thingie this morning

[opaque quest]

Whats ghost doge

[lusty tiger]

where in america does it look like a third world country?

[opaque quest]

Everywhere. Look at your healthcare system

[lusty grotto]

arfus

the ghost doge

[opaque quest]

uuuh time to google where i get ghost doge

[lusty grotto]

from the pumpkin

same pumpkin as mount

also the reins drop from it too

[opaque quest]

fuck my life i thought im done with horseman. Guess not

[toxic pewter]

well we are under attack by a major world power

[toxic pewter]

via fentanyl drug crisis

and we have open border

[opaque quest]

Open border?^^

[toxic pewter]

yah anyone can walk in

including terrorists

over 100k people die each year from the war

[lusty tiger]

but like... that does not make us seemingly a third world country lol

[toxic pewter]

yeah drugs

[opaque quest]

Its weird. We have open borders too but nobody comes here to blow up shit

[lusty grotto]

i mean i read that mexican drug cartels are axing anyone that puts fentanyl on their shit

[toxic pewter]

europe also has its own issues with immigration to say otherwise is disengenous

[opaque quest]

Ofc we do

But all they do is leech money

[toxic pewter]

heh

[opaque quest]

And dont blow themselves up in our cities

[toxic pewter]

heh

[lusty tiger]

right it is on america for that?...

[opaque quest]

Invading third world countries for oil does that

[lusty grotto]

tell that to Brussels

[lusty tiger]

the US collectively made them do it???

[lusty grotto]

and France

[chilly brook]

Where is we?

[toxic pewter]

europe has had bombings over the years

[opaque quest]

Europe

[lusty grotto]

i mean we had 9/11 but that's kind of it as far as explotions go (well and the boston marathon)

[opaque quest]

Ye but we get one per year. Meanwhile you guys made school shooting a cultural holiday each day

[lusty grotto]

but brussels and france and charlie hebdo

i mean brussles had an attack just this past week

[opaque quest]

Ye 2 days ago

[toxic pewter]

2nd amendment is very important here

that is true

[lusty grotto]

this true

[toxic pewter]

to protect against tyranny

[opaque quest]

Pretty sure 2nd amendment is the reason you guys lose so many ppl to gun violence

[toxic pewter]

europe has knife violence

[lusty tiger]

it would be anything else violence

[chilly brook]

Well that’s cool I got auto modded

[lusty tiger]

why rooach sound like hes a mod for r/euthings

[opaque quest]

EU has problems too dw

[toxic pewter]

Fact is EU and America have to stand strong together right now

[opaque quest]

I can see that

[alpine shard]

i think it's time to stop

[chilly brook]

Yeah you don’t have people coming in to blow things up, just stab teachers, running people over and run gangs that take advantage of young girls

[toxic pewter]

how is the weather outside where you are

[lusty tiger]

amaziing today and this week

[opaque quest]

Its fucking cold

Dropped below 10C and i instantly catched a cold

[toxic pewter]

dang

[lusty grotto]

its hot as fuck here

and its oct

[toxic pewter]

yah hot here too lol

[lusty grotto]

i have a extreme heat alert on my phone

like wtf?

[toxic pewter]

O_O

[lusty grotto]

yeah its 88 here

but heat waves

kinda fucked tbh

[lusty tiger]

Low humidity today

[opaque quest]

31C in late october

Global warming doesnt exist

Need more coal

[lusty grotto]

[lusty tiger]

I think we should warm the globe more

[lusty grotto]

tbf it does exist but these temperatures are not how it shows

so thats why there's so many deniers

[opaque quest]

"but its cold outside" was the worst one ive heard

[toxic pewter]

88 here too where i am

[lusty grotto]

my pet peeve are the people that just dont give a shit about their children's future or their grandkids

[lusty tiger]

Hotter oceans = more storms = more rain = more freshwater

Gg

[lusty grotto]

"oh its fine, it'll happen when im dead"

[opaque quest]

"Why is nobody playing outside"

[lusty grotto]

lol

[opaque quest]

Looks outside and sees cement hell

US suburbs are pain but its the gouvernments fault

Need a car to go anywhere

[lusty grotto]

well there's no real way to fix it

[lusty tiger]

Yeah people like their land and having yards

[lusty grotto]

have to basically demolish everything

[opaque quest]

who doesnt

[lusty grotto]

yards are dope

thats not what hes talking about

[waxen frigate]

Į

Ł

[opaque quest]

Left and right of me are multi housing buildings that still have yards

Sure need to share but its better than nothing

[lusty tiger]

Well if everyone has a big yard, and there are a lot of everyones, you’re eventually going to need to drive everywhere

[lusty grotto]

public transport

[median tulip]

I've seen pictures of US cities. Looks like you all prioritise Cars over People

[waxen frigate]

What if we blow up the road

[lusty tiger]

We do

[opaque quest]

This. I have a bus stop 600 Feet next to my house and need 3 mins into the inner city

Havent used my car in months

[lusty tiger]

My city bus has hobo puke on it 24/7

[median tulip]

I thoroughly reccomend living somewhere with a working public transport system and lots of parks. Works well.

[waxen frigate]

😋

[lusty grotto]

public transport is pretty great on certain areas though

[waxen frigate]

Can we lady and the tramp it

[lusty grotto]

of the US

[chilly brook]

Yards are kinda a pain in the ass

[lusty tiger]

I drive my Chevy avalanche 6 miles to work every day and it takes 20 minutes

[opaque quest]

6 miles every day?

God damn

[lusty tiger]

Well… 6 miles as the crow flies

[lusty grotto]

true, but they are dope

[waxen frigate]

I work 20mi from home and it’s a 30-45min commute

[chilly brook]

I work from home

[opaque quest]

My workplace is like 500feet away right where ppl live

[lusty grotto]

remote work babyy

[opaque quest]

No suburbs but mixed housing and workspaces

[lusty tiger]

Sometimes it takes me 10 minutes to get to a main road because of city traffic

[opaque quest]

Let me bake bread from home pls

[median tulip]

The last job where I actually had to work on site I walked the 3km there and back every day

[lusty tiger]

WFH is the future fasho

[opaque quest]

If you walk in US suburbs you can driven over lmao

Sidewalks? Whats that. Need more space for the road

[lusty tiger]

Another lane >

[median tulip]

My walking route was through a nice park, then past a cafe where I could buy a bacon samich, and then along a walkway next to the tram line

[lusty grotto]

ima let u finish, but the more people WFH, the cleaner streets are, less traffic, less people in public transportation and generally more comfortable (commute and lunch drives) for on premise workers

[opaque quest]

Same here. When i walk to work i come past another bakery then a park then a dentist then im there

[lusty tiger]

I went on the people mover in Miami once, and there was a guy with purple hair screaming and telling everybody they were inbred

[toxic pewter]

work from home is ruining the world

[chilly brook]

Also as for the cars thing. I’m fairly certain agriculture is the biggest offender not transportation

[toxic pewter]

people are meant to go into the world and do work

[opaque quest]

My roommate also works from home and my wife too. Its amazing

[median tulip]

Cars are a really dumb method of mass transit in cities

[toxic pewter]

technology in general is the devil

[lusty grotto]

apb take

[lusty tiger]

Depends on your job

[opaque quest]

Way less cars on the road

[lusty grotto]

yeah just saying for the Musk enthusiasts that go with the "oh but the on premise dudes"

[toxic pewter]

I actually to believe wfh is worse over all

[mighty valley]

i don't say this lightly but this is your worst take yet

[opaque quest]

how

[toxic pewter]

its self evident to me

[opaque quest]

Dude wow got worse when ppl returned to work

[toxic pewter]

everything did

[opaque quest]

You can see it in your favorite game

[toxic pewter]

everything is worse

[mighty valley]

the data disagrees with you apb

[toxic pewter]

the data is flawed

people are meant to venture forth into the world

[mighty valley]

there's plenty of jobs that are done fine/better with flexibility of location

[opaque quest]

Ppl still venture into the world

Just not for work

[median tulip]

WFH is just good sense for my industry. There's not really any point travelling a long distance to sit at a different desk in front of a different PC

[lusty tiger]

I’d rather venture fifth into the interwebs

[toxic pewter]

the worst part of it all, the essential jobs that actually matter know whats up

[lusty grotto]

that i do on fridays and sats when i go get some drinks

🙂

[opaque quest]

So my job is a baker. Its one of those jobs you need or you starve and i still go out. Whats the problem

[real wren]

how are the prot warrior vibes in s3 dungeons for those that have spent some time on ptr? mostly curious on whether they're bleed / dot heavy

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

jakey had the best take

concerning that question

[toxic pewter]

I say definitely play prot warrior

[median tulip]

Never Not Play Prot

[lusty grotto]

look

the only bleed

that has been an issue

this expansion

is Crawg

on tyrannical even

everything else is manageable, you have your aug and/or you are dwarves and/or you cycle defensives

[real wren]

that doesnt really answer my question - i play dps warrior in raid and will likely tank keys at the start of the patch to gear - im mostly just curious if we get fucked to see whether or not i should put some extra time in researching tank pov or just let it rip

[opaque quest]

Thats a tick only problem or?

[lusty grotto]

err

Crawth

the stupid AA bird

[opaque quest]

Ahhhh in BH

Thought Crawg in Underrot

[lusty grotto]

nono

[toxic pewter]

which dps warrior spec u play

[lusty grotto]

academy big bird

[opaque quest]

Oh

[real wren]

whichever one is better?

[toxic pewter]

lol

[opaque quest]

Ye now i know what you mean

[opaque quest]

Based

[toxic pewter]

just play whichever tank is better then

[real wren]

brother

[lusty tiger]

He’s trying to gear, not tank

[toxic pewter]

no one knows?

lol

[real wren]

i am trying to equip items on my warrior

[lusty tiger]

No matter what you’re going to have to send it, wether or not you want to improve will be up to you

[lusty grotto]

idk, no tank has been "fucked" this expansion

[toxic pewter]

go make a vdh

[lusty grotto]

so that's a pretty fucking weird question to ask

[toxic pewter]

i have played on ptr and I feel pretty strong

[lusty tiger]

If you want to improve, post logs in here

[toxic pewter]

like 7.84/10

[real wren]

i am just curious if this dungeon pool has a bunch of bleeds / magic dots - if so then i just want to make sure i spend a little extra time researching the dungeon pool

[toxic pewter]

also good news is the ptr m+ is prob gonna start up again today soon

can go test some

[lusty tiger]

If it has any you’re going to need to know them

If there is 1 or 5 it doesn’t make a difference

[lusty grotto]

sense has been updating the blockable/SR list

so you can start there

it has S3 dungeons and abilities in it and has had them for a while

feel free to compare to other seasons if you think that will help you determine whether its a bunch or not

reminder that it is and will be eternally pinned

[opaque quest]

First boss Aberrus HC

[modern brook]

That's such a rogue name

[lusty grotto]

thats a lot of rat alts

[opaque quest]

How do you even die in HC

No

Half the raid was dead

After 10%

[lusty grotto]

jesus

how

[opaque quest]

Crazy

[blazing condor]

beams probably

[opaque quest]

"curved raid"

Ye nobody cleared rifts

No bl on trash before experiments either. Pretty sure 99% of ppl are boosted

Lead assigned groups 😄 No zerg

[waxen frigate]

Lead prob… 2/9

Is my guess

[opaque quest]

Lead told me he didnt play 2 months

No curve ofc

Why lead if you have zero clue

Oh right

Free boost

[blazing condor]

cus u dont get invited otherwise

i respect the grindset

[opaque quest]

ofc title said Curve or no invite

[blazing condor]

fuck the rest

[opaque quest]

I left 20 mins ago they are still in front of experi kek

[hardy snow]

well, curve is like 30k now?

[opaque quest]

Jup

But getting boosted by leading is 0k sooo

[hardy snow]

https://tenor.com/view/tkt-smart-gif-20642718

[opaque quest]

Its rough. Raiding first 2 weeks is hard then its chill for 6 weeks then its hard again cause all the idiots catch up

[lusty grotto]

hmm i havent had an issue

but i run them on reset day

[opaque quest]

Ye me too usually

[lusty grotto]

anything other is wild wild west

[opaque quest]

Usually i take off wednesdays and go straight at reset

[modern brook]

https://tenor.com/view/wild-wild-west-will-smith-gif-12810269

[novel moon]

how hard would i prioritize forgestorm over crafted weapon? if forgestorm is 437? do i still go for it?

[lusty grotto]

you wouldnt if its for keys

crafted weapon is better for that content

441 forgestorm > 447 crafted in raids though

any lower than that im pretty sure sims will tell you no

[novel moon]

okay

ominous still bis trinket for m+?

[lusty grotto]

when in doubt sim

[novel moon]

for lower keys aswell?

[lusty grotto]

no?

ominous is not bis unless you have a team that is running it

and its probably still not bis then

[novel moon]

what would you recommend?

i love mark of dargul

and i got 447 heart of thunder

[lusty grotto]

it depends on your team's selections

[blazing condor]

pinch of salt

[lusty grotto]

mark/anvil + beacon

[blazing condor]

obviously

but this is what bloodmallet says for 5 targets

[modern brook]

#protection message

[novel moon]

why sim when i got nice experienced gentlemen here ❤️

[lusty grotto]

which assumes you have all 5 buffs

[blazing condor]

yep but thats clarified

[modern brook]

Imagine trusting nim over robut

[lusty grotto]

well when you put pics like that

people see it and dont doubt it at all

"OH OCE"

without any nuance

[opaque quest]

I have OCE on all my chars and rarely use it

Only on sham pretty much

[lusty grotto]

i rarely use it as well

[opaque quest]

Because everybody uses haste

[lusty grotto]

only on the rare occasion where all 5 flights are present if anything

and even then

it depends on the dungeon

[uneven mason]

TFW mines on mastery because I have like zero

[opaque quest]

Ika what lvl of keys do you do?

[lusty grotto]

mines stuck on crit cause i only use it for arms

and in raid

[uneven mason]

I'm a ksm Andy

[opaque quest]

No wonder you said using IV to save myself means im bad

lmfao

[opaque quest]

Mines stuck on haste for the same reason

[uneven mason]

Literally wasn't me

[novel moon]

so

in short

Fuck OCE

[uneven mason]

I said if you're relying on iv you fucked up already

[opaque quest]

Yes and no. Yes if not all 5 flights are present

[lusty grotto]

its fine if you have all 5 buffs/flights

but you wont if you dont have a team

[opaque quest]

IP lasts for 0.1 seconds in higher keys

[lusty grotto]

it would be extremely rare in a pug if anything

echo trinket is great for vault keys

[uneven mason]

That's related how

[lusty grotto]

other than that anvil > mark depending on your pull speed

[opaque quest]

Cause no IP = only block = taking alot of dmg = needing IV

If you eat shards from fortified hulks in NL youre on 15% life even with full IP. If you dont have IV you die

Doesnt mean someone fucked up its just that higher keys hurt

[opaque quest]

Mark is just so comfy

[modern brook]

sounds like your healers fucking up to me 🤷‍♂️

[novel moon]

what makes anvil so good compared to other trinks?

[modern brook]

passive big dam

[opaque quest]

Na but IV gives them another GCD to use on DPS

[lusty grotto]

its only good if you can maintain the 5 stacks

if you cant, use mark

[opaque quest]

Anvil is must on stuff like spite weeks

[novel moon]

so mark and heart? decent?

[lusty grotto]

yup pretty easy to maintain stacks on spite weeks

[novel moon]

change heart eventually ?

[modern brook]

i mean lets not go crazy and call iv dps. IV owns and is a great tool

[opaque quest]

yea

[lusty grotto]

beacon

[opaque quest]

nono i mean if i pop IV to heal myself the healer can use the GCD to pop another dps spell

[lusty grotto]

beacon + mark/anvil/echo/oce

those are your options

[modern brook]

its worth noting that maintaining the stacks is trivial since you're setting the pace of the dungeon

[lusty grotto]

its not trivial cause not all the tanks pull the same

[modern brook]

like if you're gearing around your healer needing to sit and drink every pull, just find a different healer

[opaque quest]

Ive seen so many tanks scared of pulling more than 1 pack

[lusty grotto]

well its not about pull size

its about chaining

[modern brook]

yeah its just cadence which like u control

[opaque quest]

Chaining is pulling more than 1 pack tho 😄

[lusty grotto]

right, but thats why the addendum exists

because not everyone pulls as fast etc

different definitions of chain pulling

[modern brook]

I'm not here to argue semantics but like if you're not pulling fast enough to keep stacks up the solution is very easy

[opaque quest]

Can still pop anvil between packs tho

[modern brook]

just pull faster

[lusty grotto]

chain pulling use to be pull back to back

[blazing condor]

its easy to keep anvil up tbh

if you cant

[opaque quest]

Holding W is a hell of a drug

[lusty grotto]

not the same as massive pulling

[blazing condor]

ur doing it wrong

[lusty grotto]

that definition changed i suppose

[opaque quest]

Pretty sure definition of chain pulling is "pulling when at least one mob from the last pack is still alive"

[modern brook]

i think of chain pulling as ending one pack inside the begining of another

[novel moon]

you mentioned this, could you clarify sir?

any specific you had in mind?

[lusty grotto]

im not entirely sure what your key level is

[novel moon]

i just want to know in general

[lusty grotto]

there is no general

[opaque quest]

^

[novel moon]

i recently came back and havent done above 17 yet

but its still my first week of DF

[lusty grotto]

well at that key level dont run oce

beacon + mark/anvil/call

[opaque quest]

At 17 its full DPS

[novel moon]

up to what key level?

[modern brook]

whats your ilvl

[novel moon]

430

[lusty grotto]

25s is when you start doing changes

because you need surv trinkets, and/or buffs for your whole group

[modern brook]

you should be able to numbers your way through 20s with good play and gear focused soley around dps at that ilvl

[lusty grotto]

and/or beacon would only be useful on add/totem bosses etc

[modern brook]

(numbers your way through == no special route just w key and tank and spank)

[novel moon]

even with full team? and all flights?

[lusty grotto]

if you have all 5 wearing OCEs then beacon + oce

kind of not needed at anything below 25s but w/e

[opaque quest]

Even if everyone has OCE most ppl use haste. There is just no point

If you just pug OCE is meh

[lusty grotto]

honestly i would be surprised if all 4 of your other mates have OCEs lol

but hey it can happen

[opaque quest]

So many ifs with OCE

[lusty grotto]

so you have to coordinate that they go their specific buffs

[median tulip]

I have my OCE set to Vers

[inland raft]

Solid stat stick still but ya middling

[lusty grotto]

and i mention that only cause he said its his 2nd week playing DF or something

[inland raft]

I hae it but only played 2 weeks of patch and got it and beacon and said good enough, id prefer anvil and beacon but back to 10.2 waiting room so

[opaque quest]

20 Man raid still no crit

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[novel moon]

we all have OCE's

my mate got 1 from hc raid

[lusty grotto]

441 at the very least?

because if they arent

[novel moon]

and 2 others from the timewalking and 4 myth dung reward

[lusty grotto]

ok thats 1

[opaque quest]

4

Where is the 5th

[novel moon]

no i mean

the same guy

has 3

[opaque quest]

lmao

[lusty grotto]

uhhh

what

[novel moon]

yup

[lusty grotto]

ok but that doesnt help you at all

[opaque quest]

Me getting dracthyr trials cape on every char every week from every vault or chest

This guy: haha oce go brr

[lusty grotto]

you need each person of the team to have an OCE

[novel moon]

i mean we all have one each

but mine has LFR

[lusty grotto]

no

then no

fuck that one

go mark/anvil

441 at the very least

hero track

mythic track preferred

[opaque quest]

Diff between full LFR and HC is only 30 stats i think

But ye

DPS trinkets

[lusty grotto]

30 stats on group buffs or self buffs?

hes still fucking himself over on dps

[opaque quest]

Self

Dunno if you provide less to others or if thats based on theirs

[lusty grotto]

probably based on theirs

but yeah Vet track version is a no from me dawg

[modern brook]

if only there were some kind of robot that could run a comparison betweena n LFR OCE With all buffs and a mark of argul and an anvil over 10k times to find which of them, on average, performs the highest on fights of varying length and target counts

that would be cool

[novel moon]

not worth using to increase the mates DPS?

sorry if im asking dumb

just tryna learn

[opaque quest]

Na 50 haste isnt alot for anybody

[modern brook]

its not that the questions dumb

[lusty grotto]

not worth imo

[modern brook]

its that the answer is sim it

theres not a lot of discussion to be had

[lusty grotto]

he said he didnt want to sim

so

[strong forum]

50 haste is less than 0.3% fwiw

[modern brook]

not wanting to sim is the first step to simming everything

[lusty grotto]

youre not wrong

[modern brook]

like the accuracy of our best guesstimates pales in comparison to a robot running a scnario thousnads of times over

[median tulip]

How much difference in PRI is it?

[modern brook]

and when the only real factor in the decision is damage output, as is the case of the 3 trinkets in question, the answer is "just sim it" cause whichever pair does the most damage is the one you should use

[lusty tiger]

#mop-discussion message says youre wrong!

[opaque quest]

Wait what

[modern brook]

lmao classic players

[opaque quest]

Classic players are wrong in general

[modern brook]

^

[median tulip]

^^

[blazing condor]

classic players trying to defend an encounter with 0 mechanics saying its harder than mythic azshara

[inland raft]

Ony super hard man very difficult yo press 1 so many times in a row

[modern brook]

remember when classic first came out and everyone was like FINALLY REAL difficulty fights in wow coming back and then they finished the raid in 40 minutes

[opaque quest]

Wasnt ICC done in 31 minutes

14 or so bosses

[modern brook]

probably

[opaque quest]

lmfao

[modern brook]

games so easy

[blazing condor]

with most people being like level 58 lol

[strong forum]

yeah ive just found that out the hard way again

[plush tendon]

bro, I did Lich King 25 last night for the first time ever at 1:00am cause someone didnt show up for a GDKP... the hardest part about classic is people just dont listen to their raid lead or press their buttons

[lusty grotto]

anyway back to the topic, a sim this season will very likely pick the higher ilvl trinket if the difference is 2 tracks in between

[uneven mason]

I'd imagine we'd also be pressing our other various CDs for predictable spikes, but you've missed the point, but it struck a nerve obviously.

You put IV in the same bucket as DS, FR etc..

There's no implication in what I said that means iv isn't a good ability for it's intended use, but that if IV is the difference between life and death as a prot warrior, mistakes were made elsewhere. Your use case is a good example - it saves your healers attention after a damage spike, but you're not going to self sustain with it.

[blazing condor]

yeah from what ive seen on streams where ppl do ICC/classic

[strong forum]

remember how i said pwar dmg looks pretty bleak for raid? computer doesnt agree with me

[blazing condor]

ppl just dont do mechanics

and shits

[plush tendon]

100%

[blazing condor]

they just stand there and die and then theyre like "wtf"'

[lusty grotto]

lol nome

[modern brook]

in fairness thats the hardest part of retail, but theres also mechanics going on

[blazing condor]

my guy youve had 10+ years to perfect this encounter

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/gi-joe-psa-download-piracy-gif-9222249

[modern brook]

dont you control how the computer thinks

[inland raft]

Obviously the computer is wrong nom, i play classic i know more then those silly computers

[strong forum]

i only tell computer what to press when

and uhm

computer says pwar dmg stonks are way up next tier

[uneven mason]

Shadow traps

[strong forum]

compared to some other tanks

BUT

[modern brook]

dub get hanging on for the but

[lusty grotto]

defile lmaooooo

[strong forum]

these are all PTR scuffed sims

[modern brook]

oh so we're still L'd nevermind

[strong forum]

no, our APL is basically rock solid

[plush tendon]

I still understand the appeal; ICC is quite fun... hopfully I can get my rat toon into another raid XD but my GS is so low that Im considered a rat

[strong forum]

but i didnt bother simming with mega optimised gear yet

but stonks are still way up

and others may also not be fully done

[modern brook]

im selling high then

[inland raft]

Blizzard: did someone say fun detected?

[strong forum]

for now

numbers seem to be on the higher end

[uneven mason]

Remember when they nerfed our crit damage rather than fixing the tooltip

[modern brook]

make sure you also account for baby mode if the numbers stay high

[plush tendon]

my theory is that unlike in retail, you dont filter out players the same way in classic, so in classic you get into content with a bunch of people you would have never come face to face with in retail cause they get filtered out by IO, Mythic Raid Exp, and even I level

[strong forum]

this does assume wft still

[plush tendon]

the only number in classic they have is GS

[strong forum]

and most raiders do not get WFT

and WFT alone is like 8k dps

without WFT we're competing on the low end

[inland raft]

Wont matter if prot seems popular the babies will get it nerfed

God forbid warrior is good

[chilly brook]

I would bitch to high heavens if we had an enhance and I wasn’t given WFT

[blazing condor]

in raids you can still be 9/9 and shit thats the closest thing to it

[modern brook]

you get apes at all levels of io Raid exp etc

[lusty grotto]

i mean streamers all go SPELL REFLECT SPELL REFLECT SPELL REFLECT

[strong forum]

according to some peeps it seems like dps war is shit

[lusty grotto]

so

[plush tendon]

not the same level of apes

[strong forum]

so

pwar has a real chance to be brought by high end

[plush tendon]

like... we truly dont understand how bad it can get

[strong forum]

but we shall see

[plush tendon]

[chilly brook]

Arms is gonna be good for early prog

[modern brook]

Dude every time war is meta i get scared for spell reflect

[strong forum]

idk how much i wanna trust people saying dps war is bad

[chilly brook]

Ain’t no way top tier guilds don’t bring arms

[uneven mason]

First week of voi, retbabies screaming about pwar and posting sense's logs

[strong forum]

that gets said EVERY SINGLE TIER

and then somehow arms turns up amazing

afterall

[inland raft]

Didnt arms get slapped with the ip nerf with no real compensation?

[chilly brook]

Arms is by far best execute class

So it will be brought

[modern brook]

[strong forum]

its so funny

[plush tendon]

Arms is also a chad spec

[strong forum]

how this emote was made

when everybody said warri was shit

and then people brought 3 arms warriors to RWF

AND I LIKE

[toxic pewter]

arms chad spec agreed

[strong forum]

HOW I TOLD PEOPLE

AYO ARMS PLAYS AMAZING IN THIS RAID

[lusty grotto]

max is always right bull

[strong forum]

during heroic week

[lusty grotto]

arms does own

[toxic pewter]

Arms needs to be m+ meta for once

[lusty grotto]

[chilly brook]

Arms owns

[modern brook]

[strong forum]

yeah nah

[modern brook]

I'ma diehard arms enjoyer

[uneven mason]

We just need a bres

[modern brook]

call me BullfangoBiceps

[lusty grotto]

same i just suck at it

[strong forum]

dps war has practically no chance at being meta for m+

[plush tendon]

its generally been alright for M+ though

[chilly brook]

I mean it was before aug

[toxic pewter]

I wanna see it happen

[plush tendon]

not meta, but you aint gonna be mad to see a pumper war in your group

[lusty grotto]

i used to be good, then now i suck at it in DF 😦

[chilly brook]

Fury though

[strong forum]

it was only once ever REALLLLY good in m+

[inland raft]

Even if their damage was insane they dont bring much to table for group

[modern brook]

blord rotation is easy af tbh

like braindead almost tbh

[strong forum]

which was 7.2.5

[lusty grotto]

i still parse green

and thats an L

[chilly brook]

Again it was meta before aug was added

[strong forum]

just because naowh played with a warrior

[toxic pewter]

With legendary this is the patch

[strong forum]

doesnt mean it was meta

[toxic pewter]

They are deserving

[plush tendon]

naw dude, our boi Critcake

❤️

[uneven mason]

Doesn't it though

[strong forum]

1 singular player

doesnt count as meta

[lusty grotto]

naowh also hates warriors

[modern brook]

fury was kissing top team play before aug banned all non wizard classes from having fun for a month

[strong forum]

im talking

[toxic pewter]

When was last time fury been meta

[modern brook]

was never meta

[strong forum]

objectively the best choice

not, yeah 1 or 2 people played it

[modern brook]

wasnt bad tho

[lusty grotto]

which always makes me sob uncontrollably, naowh WHY

[strong forum]

im talking LITERAL META PICK EVERYBODY WANTS

and thats just mega unlikely for dps war

[uneven mason]

There's been 6 posts in guardian since midnight
Bear is dead

[toxic pewter]

Why though

[plush tendon]

cool

[chilly brook]

Fury/enh was super meta before aug

[toxic pewter]

Is it cuz utility situation

[inland raft]

If other players played the meta dpecs at the level crit played arms they would still be above him, he is an insanely gifted player making an off meta pick work isnt the same as being meta

[chilly brook]

It wasn’t just Naowh’s group

[modern brook]

warrior dps tends to be back loaded which sucks for M+

cause execute

we get big cooldowns which is nice

but it pales compared to 2m classes

[plush tendon]

not arguing that its meta; but im happy when the warrior dps savants play it and can showcase their skill

[inland raft]

Naowh also was pumping on ret before rets rework, does that mean ret was meta then?

[plush tendon]

and they dont feel forced to swap class

[modern brook]

so we dont have the sustain that specs like sub/outlaw have, and we dont have the burst that specs like unholy have

[strong forum]

you need to be OP dmg wise, or have a really preferable dmg profile, or super utility

[modern brook]

just like by design

[strong forum]

and warrior doesnt have either of those

arms war only has aoe every now and again

[toxic pewter]

This is the patch I am making a bold prediction:

10.2 - ARMS WARRIOR - META

You all heard it here first folks

[strong forum]

fury is just sustain low target count aoe and kinda ST

[plush tendon]

yo pin it!

Big prediction!

[strong forum]

but you want stuff like firemage/rogue

firemage has mega burst and big time ST prio

rogue is rogue, they can have every dmg profile + mega CC

[plush tendon]

Rogue also getting rework buff

[modern brook]

even rogue hasnt been meta for a while tbh

i think the last time was s1 SL

[chilly brook]

Rogue gonna be nutty

[plush tendon]

there werent a lot of rogues running around this season

[uneven mason]

What about hunters

[strong forum]

im not saying rogue is meta or has been meta recently

but

[plush tendon]

but they should be back for S3

[toxic pewter]

Yeah damn true rogue gonna be meta again no chance it isn’t

[strong forum]

rogue has been more meta than any other melee dps

because of how rogue is

[modern brook]

fair enough

[strong forum]

and warri dps

[uneven mason]

Shroud being required to beat timers

[strong forum]

?

[plush tendon]

Maybe we see BFA S1 comp again

[inland raft]

Bladestorm now 10 second cd and grants all its rage at start of cast so can instant cancel it in st and hurricane now baseline and also now has fury ww

[strong forum]

has never once been meta

[modern brook]

I think i disagree with that at this point though tbh

[plush tendon]

BDK, Rogue, Mage, DH, Priest

[modern brook]

rogue dam is nice when its nice

but its util is basically phased out

[uneven mason]

Sounds like a DPS loss

[toxic pewter]

One word: LEGENEDARY

[modern brook]

spot stuns are a dime a dozen and not very useful

[strong forum]

since DF rogue utiltiy is phased our yes

[modern brook]

cloak is near useless in everything

[grim pilot]

fire mage doesnt have the burst people think it does

arcane is more the way

if you need big aoe burst

[strong forum]

Brother.

im talking

historically

not LITERALLY RIGHT NOW

[plush tendon]

we all getting legos bois!

[toxic pewter]

This is the patch of the 2h melee dps

[grim pilot]

ngl didn't read before

[plush tendon]

[grim pilot]

just saw "fire mage burst"

[toxic pewter]

Arms ret dk melee meta inc

[strong forum]

ye im just talking in what youre looking for in m+

[modern brook]

fuck ret

[strong forum]

is preferable dmg profiles, firemage was just an example cuz firemage has been the most meta mage spec historically

cuz it either has insane aoe

[uneven mason]

Until you realize they're balancing the base kits around getting the Lego, so until they get it they're poo

[toxic pewter]

Unironically 2h meta may be coming imo. 4 legendaries in the group

[delicate stream]

Has any sim data started for prot wars for s3 or is that delayed till a bit closer to release incase of changes on ptr ?

[strong forum]

or insane ST -> aoe translation

[uneven mason]

Yes

[toxic pewter]

I get that but.. LEGENDARY

[lusty grotto]

nimchipadin in shambles