protection

[coarse flower]

Void Slash? from which dungeon is that

[warm plinth]

SBG

[coarse flower]

ah right

[nocturne spindle]

skelly bois

[toxic pewter]

In 10.1 bdk getting another “use heart strike to extend” str buff apparently. The buff only lasts 5 seconds though.. the extension won’t be able to go too high can it?

Prob like extend to like 8-10 seconds right

[warm plinth]

It'll probably have quite a lot of uptime

[toxic pewter]

Yeah hmm

[warm plinth]

Because the 2pc also grants it

[toxic pewter]

Is vamp blood really good for them seems their vamp blood uptime gonna be higher?

[sand egret]

You can outrange Dark Claw, not Haunting Gaze. Dark Claw has an extended range so it's longer than its 8 yrds

[toxic pewter]

Just getting sl season 3 vibes

[warm plinth]

It's a solid defensive CD. Gives them protection from 1-shots

I never said you couldn't outrange it

You just can't backpedal it

Because it casts while moving

[sand egret]

Not with those slow feet

[warm plinth]

He wanted comparisons to arcblade so I didn't think that fit the bill is all

[sand egret]

and void slash is also weird....since its actually inconsistent if they'll walk with you on the cast

[sick sentinel]

void slap sucks

[strong forum]

literally everything in HoV, dark claw is 8yd, void slash is 8yd, haunting gaze is 16yd iirc before it fervents

severing slash in AA is 16 or 20yd iirc

so you can technically leap away from that

or maybe LoS it

but easier to just stun it

[uneven mason]

Fervent best mechanic

[strong forum]

blizz said the removed all fervents

except they didnt

[warm plinth]

tbf they did remove all the ones in the current dungeons (at the time) 😂

[toxic pewter]

U guys gonna play Diablo 4 early access on Friday

[uneven mason]

No, it randomly Pops up and one shots my rogue

[warm plinth]

Nah I'm not a beta player

I just wait for the launch

[toxic pewter]

Fair enough

[uneven mason]

If they lower the price to reasonable and not "bobby k needs to dip another yacht in gold"

[toxic pewter]

All games hell expensive now though

[mighty valley]

games in general are going up to $70

[toxic pewter]

Like 70 min

Ya

[mighty valley]

they've been $60 for a billion years

lagging behind inflation for a long time

[toxic pewter]

I bought the 100 dollar edition

But all from wow gold so worked out lmao

[strong forum]

ill go ham minute 1

unless my work says otherwise

[pallid quiver]

I ain't touching it at all in general

[strong forum]

if d4 is good enough

[toxic pewter]

I want the two titles and wolf pup

[strong forum]

i might quit wow

lowkey

[toxic pewter]

Same tbh

[uneven mason]

They stagnated there because they started making massive bank when they swapped to digital

[strong forum]

been waiting for d4 for like 5 years

[uneven mason]

Games used to be put on media, price didn't go down when they didn't need to anymore

[mighty valley]

it's so much more complicated than this. productions keep ballooning, so they keep having to find non-box-price ways to squeeze out money

[strong forum]

games also stopped being pure passion projects

[pallid quiver]

They still make massive bank in some cases.

A lot of the times Triple A don't make bank, it's because they have zero idea how to budget, but they don't get punished for it (the top level execs responsible, I mean)

[warm plinth]

Do you know what class you're going to start with on D4?

I think I'm gonna start with rogue

[strong forum]

what do you think

[warm plinth]

barb? 😂

[strong forum]

🙂

[sand egret]

druid obvi

[warm plinth]

I play barb rn 🙂

[toxic pewter]

Games are no longer made for people to have fun.. it’s effectively closer to the gambling industry than entertainment these days

[warm plinth]

Always have in D3 actually

Just wanna try something new

I'm playing savage frenzy rn

[strong forum]

in d3 i exclusively played DH and Barb

[toxic pewter]

I’m going druid in d4

[strong forum]

DH cuz its more action packed to dodge cuz squishier

and barb cuz spin

but in the end i played both on spin

[toxic pewter]

Yeah damn I won’t lie I’ll prob end up barb too lmao

[sand egret]

me 2, trying to get a solo gr 150 on that before it drops this weekend

[strong forum]

frenzy

such a god awful playstyle

[warm plinth]

I was always a spammy slammy boi before so I wanted to try something new. I'm enjoying it

[strong forum]

i finished altar day2 and thus reached my goal and quit

[sand egret]

i'm enjoying it tbh

[warm plinth]

Altar not even hard to complete though :/

[strong forum]

it was my goal

dun care about hard

[toxic pewter]

Does Diablo 2 remastered or whatever have any community or did that fizzle out

[strong forum]

was a nice 26hrs grind

d2r is live and well

but just outdated af

[toxic pewter]

Interesting

Ya

[mighty valley]

it's still d2 for better and worse

[strong forum]

dont enjoy the 1dimensional farming

and 0 aoe dmg

[mighty valley]

if you're playing like a normal person it takes a long time to feel like you're really deep in d2, making the fun builds etc

[strong forum]

took me 400 paragons to get my 6th primal

spent literally most time just to get that shit

otherwise id have finished quicker

[toxic pewter]

Diablo 4 download size is 90gb. Hefty game tbh

[strong forum]

its massive

[toxic pewter]

actually surprised me

[strong forum]

each zone alone is like 10hrs just to play through it

you have 5 zones

[mighty valley]

why did i not get a 2tb

[toxic pewter]

Damn

[mighty valley]

foolish

[toxic pewter]

I’m excited

[strong forum]

and thats only to play through it

but yeah im mega hype

i dont like the attack and defense bullshit, but gear is not the only thing the game offers

so i remain optimistic

[toxic pewter]

What you mean attack and defense bullshit

[strong forum]

its practically ilvl

[toxic pewter]

Oh on items?

Gotcha

[strong forum]

yeah, for weapon you just want highest ilvl with high attack stat and then care about the rolls

and armor you want highest defense stat and then care about the rolls

like in wow

[toxic pewter]

Hmmm yeah damn not sure I fully like that either…

Feel like the rolls should matter most

[mighty valley]

this is pretty much all modern gear design, kind of a bummer yeah

but the d2 style of a billion numbers confuses the shit out of your regular gamer

[toxic pewter]

I heard dungeons are like m+ in end game with affixes sort of

[strong forum]

yes

and there are like 250 dungeons

[toxic pewter]

Holy shit

O_O

[strong forum]

and 100 levels of "key levels"

[toxic pewter]

That’s a lot of content

[sick sentinel]

lvl 100 = you zone in and die

[strong forum]

first you gotta even be able to craft the key to get access to it

[toxic pewter]

And it’s all procedurally generated on top of it all? Or do dungeons all have the same layout

[strong forum]

i assume its procedurally generated for each dungeon

but we dont know how actual endgame looks like

[toxic pewter]

Ya dang that’s crazy amount of new experiences to be had

[sick sentinel]

im curious what AI learning would do with keystones

[mighty valley]

diablo is always procgen layouts

how much it actually matters is up for debate

[strong forum]

itd be boring if the dungeons were like wow

[toxic pewter]

Is crafting a key difficult you think

[strong forum]

always exactly the same layout, just more and harder monsters as you go up

[sick sentinel]

like the AI sends a team of 5 robots, and they keep runing the dungeons over and over until they suceed

[strong forum]

no

you craft 10-15 rnd keys at once

[toxic pewter]

Oh interesting

[strong forum]

depending on which mats you used, you get X tier

so youll just work your way up through the tiers and levels

[toxic pewter]

But the 10-15 keys are for all different dungeons though

[strong forum]

maybe you can craft it for specific zones

so you dont /roll 250

but only /roll 50

to target farm specific dungeons

for specific loot

[warm plinth]

Yeah the primals are definitely the worst part of the whole thing. I just got a fat primal traveler's pledge though

[toxic pewter]

Gotcha. So I think I read it’s an open world but like how many people can be on a server

[strong forum]

yeah same

i had primal ancient squirts

[warm plinth]

Nice!

[strong forum]

with socket, crit dmg crit chance and area dmg/1000stat

[warm plinth]

Yeah my pledge has str, socket, crit damage and cold damage on it

which I use cold frenzy so

basically a 20% increase to my damage

[strong forum]

first time you get hit, aaaand cba to find that out

but here

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/N2zPjadXGv7J8HwZ#fight=1&type=auras&source=2&ability=371355

[warm plinth]

did we ever figure out why eye in the storm isn't an option to sim in raidbots?

[strong forum]

probably cuz simc cant emulate the actual hit being taken to count for eots

or the more reasonable assumption

nobody cared to implement it

[warm plinth]

You're obvious at least

gottem

[strong forum]

Name holds up

The amount of times I proc all-totem on first contact is wild

Which is not a good thing 😠 I want my proc when everything is stacked up neat and tight

For bigger dam

[toxic pewter]

Whoa in Diablo 4, one can invite international friends (e.g. between the US and EU) to party-up

Just read that

That’s cool

[chilly brook]

Tell him to strafe

U=unmitigated

M=mitigated

Or didn’t have shield block up

Or it’s not a hit that can be blocked

But generally that’s not something you worry about with melees

[dry tide]

where do you guys get your talent tree for certain mythic raid bosses

[strong forum]

My brain

But on almost all bosses you play the same talents

[dry tide]

cause the earth elemantal add is wrecking me with earthsmite

[strong forum]

On kurog you just play with bolster

[dry tide]

on kurog mythic

[strong forum]

To get 100% block uptime

That's about as far as diff talent build goes

You can just check jakeyplops or sense from US Tichondrius logs

For talents

Yes

[dry tide]

ok thank you for the help

[strong forum]

But yeah, kurog is the first boss that slaps tanks

[warm plinth]

That's not a question that is remotely relevant because you should have shield block active 100% of the time

Which means your block chance is 100%

It's literally based on your mastery...there is no answer for your question

Look at your mastery

In the spellbook

It will tell you what your block chance is

That number is not related to anything he might be doing wrong

If you want to post a log or something, we can review it and see what he's doing wrong

[mighty valley]

high 90s%

[warm plinth]

I have 19% mastery

[last nova]

hey guys today i got a choice between earanog ring and 421 puzzle box, which one should i pick?

[mighty valley]

your block uptime can be maximum, some slips are to be expected though

[warm plinth]

He's not asking about uptime

He is asking about block chance

[last nova]

i play arms OS

[warm plinth]

100% is the block chance I would expect.

Regardless of gear

You never don't have SB up

If you don't have SB up, that's a gameplay issue

No I don't, because it's not relevant

You literally always have SB up

[mighty valley]

you're saying you're trying to figure out what your tank is doing wrong

[warm plinth]

There is no reason your base block chance should ever come into play

[mighty valley]

and we're telling you that based on that goal, the number you're asking for is completely irrelevant

[warm plinth]

I just told you I have 19% mastery

[mighty valley]

i'd have to log in to check, it's not a number i've thought about for years because it means nothing

[warm plinth]

So I think that is like...23% or something base block chance. BUT AGAIN IT IS IRRELEVANT. And it's not going to identify what the problem is, which is what you're actually trying to figure out.

[mighty valley]

if you can explain why it would be a useful number to you, i will log in and give you my current base block chance

[warm plinth]

We are trying to be helpful and you're being stubborn about something that doesn't matter because you think it's the problem.

It's not the problem

No it hasn't

It literally tells you nothing

But have fun not gaining any useful knowledge I guess

[oak echo]

If the man wants to play without shield block let him get auto attacked to death

[slow harbor]

my character screen block chance is 36%

[warm plinth]

That's...you know what, I give up

If you don'tw ant to find out the real problem, that's on you

[oak echo]

So you want to know what effect playing wrong has?

[keen tendon]

lol

[oak echo]

Idgi

[warm plinth]

Have fun not knowing what the problem is

[modern brook]

who cares jujst press shield block

[warm plinth]

You know you can just look at the replay and see where they're facing

Click the replay tab at the top right of the log

And then scroll to the timestamp where you think they got hit in the back

[fresh igloo]

is this a troll

[keen tendon]

Looks like it.

[warm plinth]

I'm just glad he got actual useful information finally lol

[mighty valley]

this is laser-targeted to make us all insane

good job

[toxic pewter]

U guys gonna test season 2 m+ tomorrow

[mighty valley]

it's fine, the easiest way to get here would've been to say "how can I tell if my tank bud is getting hit in the back"

the context is you accidentally asked a question a clueless prot warrior would ask

it's like you went into holy priest discord and asked "what should my melee damage look like"

[uneven mason]

We have a lot of experience in these questions.

[pallid quiver]

I wasn't there for the whole thing, but Ghash was telling you to not worry about irrelevant stuff. It's like asking how much damage should an arms warrior do without execute during execute phase

[mighty valley]

i would just go through the timeline and find a time when they take an unblocked hit

[uneven mason]

Literally "when do I use whirlwind" is in the top 10 questions

[mighty valley]

if they have shield block up, only explanation is hit in the back

[pallid quiver]

But that, yeah

[mighty valley]

or they typed /sit for some fuckin reason

[pallid quiver]

Also, being hit in the back and not able to block is like 180 degrees or something iirc

[mighty valley]

yeah the arc is more generous than 90 degrees, you can safely strafe and block

[pallid quiver]

To be safe, strafe at an angle so mobs don't pathfind behind you

[mighty valley]

that's not very good

[pallid quiver]

That's a playstyle issue

Which should be addressed first

[mighty valley]

well, ideally you'd go to damage taken and mouse over hits

[pallid quiver]

^^^

[mighty valley]

since sb uptime when they're not actively tanking doesn't matter so much

[pallid quiver]

That's more important

Have the guys told you how to find that yet?

[mighty valley]

oh yeah p1 diurna needs 100% uptime on boss

[pallid quiver]

Under damage taken, you click a given actor (your prot war in this case), gonto their damage taken, and next to the "Melee" ability, gonto the hits column and hover over it with your mouse

I'M SAYIN IT AGAIN THEN

I was already typin

[warm plinth]

You can ask anyone... I am one of the most helpful people here. I was literally just trying to steer you away from a mistaken assumption that what you were asking about mattered. It's not my fault you thought you were right when you weren't.

You can think I'm a dick if you want, but I actually was trying to help you.

[pallid quiver]

That will tell you how many hits that connected were blocked

So if they took hits in the back, even if SB is uo, it's not shown as blocked

[warm plinth]

You're the one talking shit about me. You could've just not done that.

[pallid quiver]

Feel free to swing back if ya need it

[warm plinth]

Wow, alright lol

[uneven mason]

That dude on par with the asshat gm that came in to defend telling his healers not to heal tanks

[mighty valley]

ken players smh

[uneven mason]

Real chads play Dan

[mortal mountain]

gigachads play barbie

[warm plinth]

tbf I always enjoyed Ken and Ryu back in my SFII days. Though I probably played E. Honda the most

[pallid quiver]

Those ones were uncalled for from what I know

other than the ken players i play fighting games i know wake up dp is in your blood

[mighty valley]

let's leave it alone, i was mostly making a joke

[urban portal]

no i think block chance is static based on mastery

block VALUE is what changes based on content

[warm plinth]

Yeah block chance is static. How much you block differs.

Like the amount you block

[pallid quiver]

Nobody who has your best interests in mind will ask you to play SF2

[warm plinth]

SF2 is fun though pepehands

[pallid quiver]

That game's mega fucked up tho

[uneven mason]

SSF2T

[pallid quiver]

Balrog throw loops

[uneven mason]

Chunkli air juggling

[fallow nova]

Barb is one of the chillest folks I've seen in here. They were trying to help you understand that what you were seeking (despite any method to your madness) was NOT the way to go about finding the info you actually needed. You immediately proceeded to diss on them as if they were being smug, when in reality they were just giving you the correct info and a direction to look in

[pallid quiver]

From what I saw, you got a little one-track instead of looking at an alternative way to rate your tank, leading to friction

[urban portal]

there is no block table

[pallid quiver]

So if felt like they were being rude, but it was well intentioned

[fallow nova]

Misunderstandings happen all the time in a text-based environment, but rest assured that of all the douches on the internet, Barbaric isn't one of them.

[pallid quiver]

It was there somewhere

[urban portal]

thats boomer shit

yes

[pallid quiver]

I'm at work so I can't quote it but

[warm plinth]

I'm literally the one that told him to look at the replay to see which direction his tank was facing XD

[pallid quiver]

I think it got lost in the convo flow

[mighty valley]

it took you a long time to explain that this is why you wanted block chance, and even then it didn't even make sense as a way to get to what you wanted, so we were all confused

[pallid quiver]

There were too many of us helping so it got covered

backasswards ass chat we are god damn

Yeah, they mentioned the replay feature

[urban portal]

theres a block chance vs level 70, 71, and 72

but not based on content

[pallid quiver]

Brabaric specifically did

They also provided alternative ways to check the info via the hits tab

[urban portal]

its like a boss vs a mob

thats it

k value is a giant list

of different content

[urban portal]

normal vs heroic raid, m0 vs m+

[fallow nova]

This is where it got dumb

[urban portal]

where as block CHANCE is just basically constnat

[mighty valley]

oh there was a big gap between "what's a ballpark block chance" and your prev message so i don't think most people who were active saw the initial context

[urban portal]

@astral atlas im gonna go ask in prot pal discord

and get back to you

they probably know more

since they do have RNG block

[warm plinth]

The only "block table" is that the chance for parry/dodge/miss is calculated first, then block chance

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, there, they were mentioning that our block chance without SB is something to not consider, since propernolay has 100% Block Chance while tanking due to 100% SB uptime while tanking

Most of us don't know immediately

[mighty valley]

it requires actually logging into wow, where "that's not a relevant question" takes no time and is more helpful in reality haha

[pallid quiver]

We just don't worry about it

[fallow nova]

People on here typically play in pretty high-end content and generally look to cut the fat out of a discussion so if you're asking about things that aren't actually helpful, they're going to let you know

Additionally, they DID answer by telling you that its extrmeely variable

[pallid quiver]

It was a gap in expected knowledge, I think

[fallow nova]

My base block chance is like 40% because I unfortunately have so damn mich mastery on my gear

It's not smugness man, folks are just trying to help

You're legit misunderstanding here

[amber siren]

Posting this and calling someone else smug

[pallid quiver]

I've got to close my phone for work, but take care, all

[amber siren]

Ghash is literally one of the most helpful people here

[fallow nova]

Exactly

No, no one knew what you wanted with block %

[amber siren]

Your question was answered 1:1

[fallow nova]

Sometimes the answer is "hey bud, you're asking the wrong question if you want to find out what your tank is doing wrong"

[warm plinth]

[amber siren]

Ok if that's how you view it.

[warm plinth]

I answered what my block chance was, and the actual thing he needed to know, ironically.

[fresh igloo]

@unkempt tangle dude you're the jerk in this whole exchange. ya gotta chill and actually have the discussion with people who are trying to educate you.

[amber siren]

No, you asked what block chance % was, and you were told it's not a relevant number since the chance can, and will be forced to 100%

If you had asked why your tank was missing blocks, then that would have been a different answer

[mighty valley]

again, imagine going to holy priest discord, asking "what's your average melee damage," someone tells you "what the hell that's meaningless," and you say "ok assholes, why not answer my question though"

[amber siren]

If he had told you 20%, how is that helpful? You would of left not knowing your tank was missing blocks because he was facing the wrong way

[warm plinth]

And then the guy you're calling "a bit too much" says it's 17 damage, but here's what you really need to know

[amber siren]

He led you to water because you were being vague

I really don't understand your view but if you got the actual helpful answer then that's good. Just don't be an ass about it.

[vocal bison]

Very easy to see both sides here. One side wanted an answer to a specific question and wasn't interested in understanding a better way.

Other side not interested in just answering the question at face value because it was useless.

Basically standard married couple conversation.

[mighty valley]

ok to be more specific

me: "holy priest melee damage doesn't mean anything, weird question"
you:

it seemed like you were calling a very well-liked and helpful member of this community a smug asshole!!!

[warm plinth]

Uh excuse me, we aren't married until September. It's too damn cold right now.

[mighty valley]

after this convo i am very tempted to go to a holy priest discord and ask what the average melee damage is

[vocal bison]

[warm plinth]

I was more upset that someone thought I was mean than that you wanted a different answer tbh

I'm sorry if I came across too blunt

[mighty valley]

... why am I only seeing 8 players in this log

[vocal bison]

Worst part about this is now people are going to go to prot forum and not know not to take barbaric training.

[warm plinth]

Plot twist, the original question stemmed from a similar situation in another discord who then dared him to come in here and ask that

[mighty valley]

IT'S NEVER GONNA END

[warm plinth]

The neverending stooooryyyy

Shit

I guess I should change my name back

[vocal bison]

[warm plinth]

I tried to change it to "If You're Still Using Barbaric Training, I'm Disappointed" but it was too long

[mighty valley]

ok, i'm on diurna now

ta da!

not very good!

[warm plinth]

Oh I was confused too lmao

I was like why are there only 8 melee hits

You can also check uh, if you go to his damage taken events, and click on the shield block aura filter (the tiny row of icons above the events), and then look for any that weren't blocked

That'll tell you he turned his back too

without having to look at the replay

[mortal mountain]

anyone else getting Item 'inactive' Slot 'head' simcraft as a simcraft bug?

[mighty valley]

have at it folks

this is for a full-time solo tank boss

yep

[modern brook]

i see the problem

he doesnt have an entire row of talents

[mighty valley]

@warm plinth

[warm plinth]

[mighty valley]

yeah, your prot warrior

[warm plinth]

Probably so

[mighty valley]

🚨 🚨 🚨 🚨

subcreation builds

[warm plinth]

The build would certainly make a bit more sense that way

Oh no

[mighty valley]

it's kind of just a bad build universally, except maybe for an absolute parselord who's being propped up by the rest of the team

and even then it has show of force?? single target??

i dunno many many confusing things here

[warm plinth]

Like he could at least have opted for bolster :/

[mighty valley]

yeah this is one of the few bosses where you need perma block uptime and he chose to not do that

[warm plinth]

I do my best parsing when I'm on the floor personally

I can count other people's grieftorch damage as mine right

[mighty valley]

pre-soulstone, die to drop aggro, get other people killed for your grieftorch, get up and guzzle

[warm plinth]

We gonna do a repeat of the uh

what was that trinket in BFA

shit I can' tremember the name

The one that stacked until 35% or whatever

and then exploded

[mighty valley]

you're not allowed to look at your parse if your blocked hits are below 80%

[warm plinth]

inkpod?

[mighty valley]

and they did it for what? a 60 parse?

fuhgeddaboutit

[warm plinth]

Ah yes,

[sick sentinel]

i swear a drunk monkey blindfolded riding a unicycle could time SBG

[left beacon]

kinda struggling on lui flameheart. any advice? I heal on my main and always have the hardest time healing prot warriors on this fight as well since they don't have any big self healing. Now i'm on this side.

[warm plinth]

Make sure to have a defensive for every jade strike (the strikes in the first phase are nothing in comparison) and use last stand, impending victory, health pot, healthstone to help combat the absorb.

You can impending every other strike

[cloud umbra]

come up with a rotation to cover 5 hits, using 2 different defensives for each. wall first spell block 2+3 wall 4. reflect every other. demo 1 + 4. last stand + rally + health pot + IV every other to help heal yourself

[warm plinth]

Make sure to LS AFTER the initial hit, not before

[left beacon]

tahnks

[cloud umbra]

dont forget defensive stance

[left beacon]

yea i didn't thats an obvious 1

i did pretty much all of this minus spell block

[mortal mountain]

is there actually a way i can swap out talents in raidbots without having to log out a million times?

[left beacon]

forgot about that

[cloud umbra]

spell block covers 2 of them

just make sure to use a secondary to help

[left beacon]

and we take the 2 charges of shield wall correct

[warm plinth]

You can use top gear and create new loadouts in the talent section

[cloud umbra]

no, just reset your CD during 2+3

[left beacon]

alright

[cloud umbra]

or use heal CD for 4 if you have to

like dilate

and wall 5th instead

[left beacon]

how much does spell block help? I really haven't messed with that talent, outside of vault a bit haven't seen it in action much

[cloud umbra]

it mitigates the initial hit so all thats left is the absorb/dot

[left beacon]

ii see, since it basically makes it so my block applies to my spells, with a chance of crit blocking

i mean i'm blocking like 35k on some hits, would that just take of 35k from the initial hit?

[slow harbor]

spell block is enormously helpful in some situations, e.g. 100% take rate for tjs

[cloud umbra]

youll be near 100% health after the hit, and slowly tick giving the healer time.. you should still use IV every other one to help heal

[left beacon]

just trying to figure out how spell block is caluclated since the hit is so high

[cloud umbra]

btw as a healer i hate healing warriors the most but thats because most warriors seem like they are just pressing every other button except shield block

[left beacon]

i have no problems with warriors, just this fight and some times 2nd boss of ruby

and i can easily see why

[cloud umbra]

2nd boss of ruby is tough for sure without evoker or dwarf

the 2nd and 4th searing blow gotta be turbo healing htem

[left beacon]

For sure.

Shit a paly can take care of himself completely

[cloud umbra]

i a dwarf warr and our healer is an evoker.. we can just clear almost all the bleeds haha

except #4

[violet flume]

im still annoyed at searing blows being a physical + bleed

why make it fire themed wtf

[pallid quiver]

Sears your skin

[violet flume]

i used shield reflect for so long on it lmao

[amber siren]

It'll treat the spell as if it were a melee attack, so whatever your block rating is (then some math for the difficulty of the content) with the possibility of crit blocking

Nothing too special

[left beacon]

Yea that seems negligible on that jade boss

i mean i guess anything helps

[warm plinth]

Ironically cautery is used to stop bleeding 😂

[violet flume]

yeah lmao exactly my thought

[amber siren]

For reference on a 424 shield on 26 fort, a non spell blocked hit is 260k and a blocked one is 100k

so it's meaningful

For jade serpent strike

[reef holly]

Anyone have a guess to when Season 2 begins?

[left beacon]

intresting

[violet flume]

thats for a crit block though no?

[left beacon]

I was just looking at how much i blocked a melee attack from Lui and it was 35k i have a 418 shield tho, seems like a huge difference but maybe its not the same as a melee attack?

[warm plinth]

~May

[left beacon]

wait i'm stupid

[amber siren]

Possibly? Unsure

[violet flume]

That's a 62% damage reduction so i cant seeit being a normal block

[amber siren]

I think you might be confusing her autos with jade serpent strike?

[left beacon]

When i look at block, it states blocking reduces damage of an attack by 41%

i didn't realize this, i just thought it blocked whatever your shield block value was

[sick sentinel]

random angry boy tank

[warm plinth]

It'll be a different amount in actual content

[amber siren]

There's a whole formula for this, it's confusing

[violet flume]

shield block value is actually a rating

that determines the block %

[amber siren]

I don't have big math brain but yeah 62% is a crit block

[sick sentinel]

not to me, but dude isnt having a good time whatevers going on lol

[warm plinth]

Block = block value / (block value + k)

K value changes based on type of content

[left beacon]

I was comparing it to an auto attack i just assumed that block was a set value, so if i block something its always 35k unless i crit block

[violet flume]

type of content? you mean literally or do you mean based on enemy level/boss status?

[warm plinth]

Literally

[left beacon]

so with spell block it would just act the same way for spells

but seems i am mistaken

[violet flume]

interesting lol

[warm plinth]

Mythic/M+ dungeons is one number, each difficulty of raid has its own, and open world has its own

[deft mortar]

Hit 418 kekw

0 raid boss kills

[violet flume]

yeah i did notice i did 100% blocks in open world

i find it funny they made it like that, wouldve thought it'd be enemy level based

[deft mortar]

It is

Ohmb

The amount u block is

Not the chance I believe

or both idk shit

[warm plinth]

The amount you block is based on the k value, which is static based on content.

[violet flume]

ayy we got 100% block chance anyway

[warm plinth]

k value and block rating

block value, w/e

Same difference these days

[lavish oracle]

This dude getting mad at an automarker?

[valid finch]

thanks guys/gals with the info & help i got actually tanked a 10 w/o issue 😄

[warm plinth]

So with a 418 shield, you block 48.4% in M+, with a 421 shield you block 48.9%, and with a 424 shield you block 49.4%

[violet flume]

48.4% block in M+.. so crit block is capped at 80% so that's our max ?

[warm plinth]

Sorry that's overworld, lul

[violet flume]

yeah that felt wrong haha

[valid finch]

are boots worth getting crafted, because R&G hates me, still rocking 316 ilvl boots

[violet flume]

craft your worst item always imo

[warm plinth]

46.28, 46.75, and 47.24

For 418, 421, and 424 respectively

[sick sentinel]

i think people wer putting world markers on him, so he got upsetr and went AFK

and then got mad when he got booted

[violet flume]

ok so 46.28 means 92% crit block which is capped at 80%

[warm plinth]

I think it's 85, not 80 iirc?

[violet flume]

i wouldve thought crit block value would improve with gear

ah maybe 85%

[sick sentinel]

i think the dude is upset cuz he feels like its over complicating 5 man content

[warm plinth]

And spell block has no cap

So it can literally fully block something

fi it crits

if*

[violet flume]

i guess 85% damage reduction is good enough to turn anything to a tickle

oh wow thats nice

[sick sentinel]

lowbie/newbie 5man content at that if he can be booted, cuz that implies its LFG

[warm plinth]

Oh, that reminded me for some reason

Has anyone noticed Fenryr not targeting everyone with leap at the start of the 2nd pull (the actual boss fight)?

Discord fucking please with this lag man

[lavish oracle]

Damn, it's the wild west in low end content, huh?

[violet flume]

i though fenryr only targeted 3 people on 2nd phase

not 100% confident in my comment

[warm plinth]

Nah he normally targets everyone in 2nd phase, because I normally bait it and vanish it to cancel it

[sick sentinel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/11s8ziz/uhm_ok_tank_gets_kicked_for_going_inactive_after/

[warm plinth]

But the last couple HoVs we've done in the past day, he hasn't targeted me

[sick sentinel]

P O P C O R N

[mortal mountain]

first one only hits 3

has always been like that during this season

[warm plinth]

Like the first leap in the actual boss fight?

[sick sentinel]

"In Shadowlands I had a tank leave a key, because someone put the blue square marker on him. This might be the guy!"

[violet flume]

bro the marker was on him? lol

[mortal mountain]

yes the first leap after the first 40%

[warm plinth]

Oh interesting. I guess I've just gotten lucky and had it target me this whole time 😂

[violet flume]

he wont last long as a tank if he doesnt like markers on his head

[warm plinth]

I guess the odds aren't exactly crazy

ty Rdios

[sick sentinel]

those are the timmies that dart around and go reeeeeee

timmies = more or less a noob

[violet flume]

i think he just has anger issues and doesnt like having a marker forced on him

lots of weirdos out there

[sick sentinel]

maybe he is really zoomed in so its blocking his camera angle and he cant see the fire on the ground
"I hate having a raid icon in 5 man's and I totally get this dudes anger. I've also taken breaks from tanking just so I don't have to deal with a blue square in the centre of my screen. But I'm not gunna blindly rage at people, it's a video game, don't let it make you this angry."

[cloud umbra]

he targets 2 ppl first, the same 2 + 1 more next, the same 3 + 1 more next

on the 2nd phase

[warm plinth]

TIL

[sick sentinel]

i don't mind having the raid icons on me as long as it doesn't grossly obscure screen

[warm plinth]

If you're zoomed in, it makes the symbol see-through anyway so idk what the big deal is

[cloud umbra]

i have having square above my head cause of the thundering WA

[sick sentinel]

only need skull, x, moon for monsters,m square, star for tank healer, green arrow world marker for go here

thats literal it markers u ever really need

[warm plinth]

I want a carrot marker

Like an actual carrot

[cloud umbra]

lol

[warm plinth]

I think it'd be cool if they gave us themed markers for holidays

[sick sentinel]

well, its a raid world marker right, so say you earn them through doing raid shit

and then you have limited window get special versions/variations on world markers, cuz i figure a raid leader would need it more than a key guy or WQ guy or arenas, you could get a scribe to make a week long temporary alter 1 WM some crap

[slow token]

How are the changes to Prot 10.1 looking?

[toxic pewter]

I don’t think there are any

[warm plinth]

Yeah there are no changes to prot in 10.1

[rich ember]

is there a trick to Liu Flamehearts serpent strike?

Anything I can do besides CDs?

[deft mortar]

CDs

Weaker bladder people will use Spell Block

Even weaker bladder people may go as far as BSV

If it procs u are good lmaoo

[sick sentinel]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/cosmetic-glyphs-for-demon-hunters-and-warriors-in-patch-10-1-331894

heroic throw visual glpyh incoming

[warm plinth]

Use impending victory, last stand, health pot, or healthstone directly after the initial hit to help get rid of the absorb. You should be able to impending victory every other strike.

[cloud umbra]

the pins has a good writeup for ya on it

[alpine solar]

Taking a poll for votes on what to race change my troll prot warrior to! Horde races only!

[lone eagle]

Zanda, Blood Elf, Mag'har all look pretty good

Depends on your mog aspirations though

Nightborne actually has some sick mogs

but my god do the racials suck

[warm plinth]

I took a pole the other day and found that 100% of the people inside the tent were angry when it collapsed.

[alpine solar]

I figured high mountain would be min max bis

[amber siren]

1% vers is pretty... eh

[warm plinth]

A lot of races offer 1% stat. It's nothing special

[scenic mural]

tauren bis for another stop, but horde is betas anyway

[violet flume]

highmountain racials are bis for warrior IMO. Strong racials aside i like the faster mining and bull rush

like everything is nice

the only downside is you probably dont look as good in transmog as other races

thats what i look like 😛

big ass weapons tho

i prefer the look of zandalari but the racials are lame for prot

zandalari male or orc female has best look in plate imo

[warm plinth]

Bull rush is risky af for a tank. You're basically giving them your back on a silver platter

[violet flume]

its a fun movement ability but it knocks down for 1.5sec so not really, its pretty much a stun

just remember to turn around after

its nice for interrupts like CoS imps

hmm just looked,, its literally a stun, i thought knockdowns were on another DR

[warm plinth]

it's a knockdown in visual only. It triggers stun DR

[violet flume]

yeah makes sense

tbh i alwyas forget to use it as a stun i use it to go fast mostly

[lone eagle]

Crit is pretty high value for pwar

So Blood Elf is honestly pretty based

because Arcane Torrent is useful in a lot of situations (maybe not this season)

[violet flume]

oh ya for sure

i like having defensive value in my stuff though and crit has none since its not rating

always amazing to see how healers have it easy on some bosses, healer died on the first aoe of the 1st boss of CoS.. we killed the boss on +19, nobody died

my hp didnt even move

[marble veldt]

So how are you supposed to use the Decoration of Flame trinket? As a defensive CD?

[mortal brook]

early and often tbh. and can game target count to get extra damage from it. defensively its okay on the overall but not strong enough that its changing how or what you pull

when you use it counts nearby targets for its split damage. if you cast it on 1 target, then leap into a big pack, when the projectiles return itll hit all stuff in that pack for 1 target full damage instead of splitting it

[distant crystal]

👀

[rustic shadow]

How many goats does one have to sacrifice to get a whetstone to drop?

[round pendant]

preferably zero, you monster

[minor forge]

I kept my warr human
With thundering, every man for himself was a god damn good racial this season

[rustic shadow]

I mean I don't WANT to...

[toxic pewter]

I highly recommend Vulpera. Nose for trouble heals a lot in m+, bag of tricks gives you an instant 40 yard ability to pull. It also gives you an instant heal for yourself or ally sort of like a word of glory.

[marble veldt]

thx

[pallid quiver]

who do i blame for spending too much time here

another gaming discord i'm in used "IP" as an acronym and i'm suddenly dyslexic

[grave hound]

Goblin is BiS because goblin

[warm plinth]

Goblin is pretty good to be sure

[pallid quiver]

I like Goblins a lot, but I don't wanna play a goblin

I'm not sure if that's a common sentiment

Like, interacting with goblins is usually among my top favorite moments in WoW

[warm plinth]

One of my hunters and one of my warriors is a goblin

[gloomy seal]

Goblin warriors are based.

[ionic fern]

Tauren.

[warm plinth]

No Mwahi, bad

Tauren are camera killers

[ionic fern]

Spent 5m with the race change toy yesterday to get Tauren.

Worth it.

It was for Rasz.

So it's fine.

[warm plinth]

oh

[cinder nova]

Vanilla Tauren > every other race

[warm plinth]

I would play Tauren but they just get in the way 😢

Any time you're in a tight spot it's just like you don't get to see, gz on your race choice

[ionic fern]

Jeah, i still remember playing male space goat as Paladin..Divine Steed got me stuck in some indoor m+ dungeons becase it diddn't fit through the door.

[warm plinth]

Space Goat Coast to Coast?

😂

[ionic fern]

I..don't know what that is

.👀

[warm plinth]

old cartoon talk show in the states

[ionic fern]

Ah,okay.

[warm plinth]

It was called Space Ghost Coast to Coast

[ionic fern]

[pallid quiver]

I definitely was too big in S4 that if banner was up in Workshop when heading to the stealth section to get through the door

maybe it was banner + avatar still running, can't remember

but i 10/10 got stuck on the door at least once

it's not a real game unless you get stuck on doors

[prisma crane]

loved the follow up Brak show

[warm plinth]

I never watched it tbh. I wasn't really into that bunch of cartoons

[agile tiger]

if u have the abilitie to choose between these 2? what option would you take

[tame jasper]

Both as you can ewuip two rings 😇

[agile tiger]

i got the crafted one 418\

[warm plinth]

Melandrus

[agile tiger]

can you explain why?

[torn gulch]

autoattack damage and crit/haste

184 leech is whatever

you already have 10% base

[warm plinth]

More haste, crit is better than vers for damage and more defense in m+ and the AA damage is free

Tertiaries really don't come into my decision making process unless I'm comparing two identical (or at least same stats and same ilevel) items

[gloomy ferry]

yo

for m+ whats our best trinkets

like that come from m+ is it whetstone/hunger?

[proven crow]

I've been using hoof and horn, but I think whetstone is better than the hoof

But part of it definitely depends on if you want to prioritize damage or tankiness

[warm plinth]

Whetstone + idol

[gloomy ferry]

idol?

thats the crafted one ye

or am i just not thinking of it atm

[warm plinth]

Idol of trampling hooves from NO

[gloomy ferry]

oh oh

yea okay so i just wasnt thinking

k ty

[strong forum]

Hoof is also good

[warm plinth]

You're a hoof

gottem

[hallow phoenix]

Hunger sims pretty high for me, way higher than idol in ~5 patchwerk, is this just some weird stuff about my stats or am I missing something about idol

[strong forum]

idol is an ST dmg trinket

so ofc a trinket that doesnt care about target count gets better the more targets you add

[hallow phoenix]

Ah guess I should sim a st fight too

[hasty wraith]

How good is the prot war tier set comparatively to the sets of other tanks? Obviously subject to changes/tuning, but just as it stands now

[mortal brook]

Wide skew. Bear one is big dam, tankadin 4p is like 300 dps

[strong forum]

Bear is ultra OP
Bdk is good
Brew is good
Pwar we need numbers
Vdh is Something
Pally is something

[hasty wraith]

Aight. Thanks for the insight. Lines up pretty well with my own assessment of the sets

[jagged pier]

like paladin needs anything tho

[strong forum]

I mean it's still sad to see your literal tierset being worth about as much as 1 socket

[gusty ridge]

Kind of struggling to create a Talent loadout with both last stand Talents taken. Wich 2 Talents would you guys drop? I guess 1 shieldblock Talent just because you get it during stand, but every other option feels like I am loosing something I really don´t want to loose 😄

[warm plinth]

Why are you trying to take both last stand talents?

[strong forum]

Not possible without losing major and better talents. Sorry bud

[orchid gulch]

To build for the new tier set, I suppose

[warm plinth]

We won't use Unnerving Focus even with the new tier set.

[orchid gulch]

Yeah, I know

[warm plinth]

I figured, sorry. I was just saying it for his benefit.

[orchid gulch]

All good 👍

[strong forum]

We're eating so good with our tree that we just don't have a large enough stomach to fit it all

[mortal brook]

Tankadin 2p however is juuuust right

[gusty ridge]

yeah I feel like depending on uptime, Unnerving Focus could produce a lot more rage then something like Bloodsurge to feed into the Anger Management cycle of using rage to get everything rdy sooner etc, but seems like you are all pretty sure about it nor beeing any good.
It was shit in SL because Anger Managment didn´t feel nearly as good as it does now, so I figured it should be at least something to think about.

[ionic fern]

It was not shit in SL.

It was great with banner.

[warm plinth]

Well you're looking at a 1:45 cd on last stand with tier + bolster. 15 sec duration on last stand. That's still a minute and a half of no bonus rage that you have to deal with in between. It wouldn't ever have been better than bloodsurge or instigate

[gusty ridge]

that checks out, thanks!

[gusty ridge]

*at the start of sl

[orchid gulch]

By how much we'll be using Last Stand next season, judging by the current state of the tier set, you might get the impression, although losing any other option would simply be worse, either reducing damage or, rage Generation by more than you'd get out of using Unnerving Focus... And the talents we could drop are in a vital point in the tree, like Brutal Vitality or Fueled by Violence

[ionic fern]

I just hope they buff the CDR to actually make the tier set do something outside of "Gz, 15% more SS damage".

[desert flax]

hey

can anybody share me reflect wa that showes what u reflected

[warm plinth]

Yeah the like 10-15 sec cdr is really lame

Like give us 30 sec at least

Waves happening after it expires instead of on cast is weird af too

Very awkward

[desert flax]

any reflect wa ?

[orchid gulch]

That'd facilitate another choice between defensive and offensive play, either have the defensive functionality of LS, or have the shockwaves at the right time

It certainly seems that it'll be awkward to play at times

[ionic fern]

Ya

Blizz for the last 2 expansions be like

[median tulip]

Just... Make Last Stand work with Anger Management again. That's all they need to do, really.

[vocal nimbus]

why stand anyways, just give up and lay down

[lone eagle]

just give last stand to bears

we'd like it

we'd treat her right

https://tenor.com/view/tatty-bear-with-rose-i-love-you-with-love-cute-bear-gif-19319677

[ionic fern]

Take it.
In return we want a solid tier set, like you have.

[uneven mason]

Bear's taking the ugly one at the party home because, beggers can't be choosers

I mean I appreciate bolster for carrying us through BFA early days, those were dark times

[orchid mural]

a little late, but i had to share this perfect vault

[thin glade]

Oof

I get 421 cloaks every week, but this somehow feels worse

Time to socket something ^

[orchid mural]

all socketed out 😦

[strong forum]

The infinity gauntlet

[blazing condor]

dawg what is that bear tier set

[nimble swallow]

Bear meta incoming finally

I am looking for prot expert help on some logs I've posted in log review. I am not familiar with the talent tree and looking to help my co-tank improve. I don't want to draw the wrong conclusions based of what I know from past prot war without understanding the tree

If anyone has a bit of time would be much appreciated 🙏

[wooden widget]

4pc next tier gonna make a very bursty window

How often are we gonna have last stand up? Has anyone done the math

[orchid gulch]

Math has been done

Around every 90ish seconds

0.5 seconds off the GCD isn't much, considering the CD with Bolster is 2 minutes and averaging 20 CPM for Shield Slam, i. E. 10 seconds per minute

[wooden widget]

Oh good so lining with avatar

No better way to get people to press a button than make it do dam

[orchid gulch]

Creates several conflicting uses for the same button

Also, take in consideration that the shockwaves come in after LS ends, so you pop LS ahead of time

[wooden widget]

Hmm true

How longs LS last?

[orchid gulch]

If I recall correctly about 15 seconds

[wraith niche]

Thematically it becomes similar to decoration of flame and other tank trinkets

[uneven mason]

20cpm is a bit high for SS

[wooden widget]

It would be nice if we could just say no thanks to tier set and get a new one

[wraith niche]

a "shield" (defensive) that then "explodes" (triggers extra damage)

[orchid gulch]

It's an assumption made earlier, it's not going to change by much in either direction

[uneven mason]

💡 have ss extend LS by 1 s as part of the 2p

Bigger DPS gain

[orchid gulch]

The CDR is just low

[uneven mason]

Still poop, but shiney poo

Like I want to have that trucking 30% for a whole fight

[lusty tiger]

30% chance for a double shield slam

[reef holly]

anyone have a macro that will cast avatar/cast blazebinder hoof?

[lusty tiger]

U just made it

[reef holly]

haha

[tropic gorge]

That's how I use that trinket

It sits on a bar so I know it's cd remaining, but I only use it with avatar

[wraith niche]

is it possible to do /cast blazebinder instead of /use 13 so that the macro ignores the trinket if you are currently using another trinket? Or would that cause you to equip the hoof?

[tropic gorge]

I just do /use item name

[faint mica]

it wont equip no wories

[tropic gorge]

Thst way it doesn't care what slot it's In

[wraith niche]

awesome

[amber siren]

Isn't hoof on 2 min CD? If you're macroing it to avatar you're losing casts (unless you then have a separate keybind just for the trinket in which case... doesn't that negate the macro?)

[wraith niche]

i macro hoof, avatar, and demo shout all together to save on buttons When hoof and avatar are desynced it triggers together with demo shout instead

obviously not optimal gameplay but works well enough for me

[tropic gorge]

Who tf cares

The trinket is weak and has very little use

The main reason anyone has it, is because we don't have a better option

The final proc is decent for m+ or maybe trash pulls in raids

[amber siren]

You can do w/e you want, I'm not policing your action bars

If you know it's worse and you want to do it anyway then that's up to you

[tropic gorge]

You won't lose casts macroing it. Avatar has around a 40 or so second cd

[amber siren]

45-50 seconds usually, yeah

[tropic gorge]

So if anything you'll sit on the trinket for a bit then use the macro. I'd rather use it with avatar for the dmg boost plus the little proc it does

That's just my 02

[wraith niche]

its a "lesser of two evils" kind of thing for me. Im barely experienced enough to know what im doing with two equip trinkets so adding more buttons would most likely be worse. Hopefully by the end of dragonflight ill be able to use trinkets more optimally

[amber siren]

Usually bad casts is better than no casts

[tropic gorge]

Having 2 on use trinkets can be difficult to juggle

[wraith niche]

my thoughts exactly

[tropic gorge]

If you can, use one on use and one passive. For having to run dual on use trinkets, you could have both in a macro, or use the non macro when it's off cd. But the way trinket cd works, it's rough to do well

[wraith niche]

yeah im running rumbling ruby + either hoof (if pushing) or the dathea trinket when doing lower keys

[tropic gorge]

In the past I've always ended up ignoring one of the use trinkets. Not on purpose, I just do lol

[modern brook]

How u gunna learn to press one (1) extra button if you don't give yourself an extra button to press

[wraith niche]

Need to learn to press the character buttons first. Im still somewhat spammy when it comes to the basic TC/SS/IP/Rev/SB buttons.

Like i get your point and i do agree, but ive never tanked with any class (and fury warr in SL is all my wow experience) before DF so much is new

[blazing condor]

have a friend push it for me

[wraith niche]

Ill get there

[wraith niche]

genius

[crimson furnace]

@jagged pier GZ on the kill!! well played! IT WAS FUN WATCHING IT!!

[jagged pier]

ty

[crimson furnace]

please keep them uploads coming

🤗

[jagged pier]

well that will be it till next tier

[crimson furnace]

ggs

:)))

https://tenor.com/view/my-part-im-doing-my-part-army-soldier-gif-4718826

:))))

[blazing condor]

out of jail

just in time for 10.1

[jagged pier]

we dont even have a date for 10.1 and that was 38ish in the world where around 2k guild get the kill

so got a while

[hollow hill]

Just had a really strange situation on Bonemaw in SBG. For some reason my 2 set bonus stopped working. Like I would hit revenge but never get Vanguard's Determination. Anyone ever seen that before?

[amber siren]

His AoE hitbox is tiny in certain corners on the platform, revenge won't hit and you won't get 2p bonus

You need to basically stand in front of him

[hollow hill]

Ahhhhh that makes so much more sense now

[uneven mason]

TFW ravager won't hit him

Big madge

[amber siren]

Yeah roar/ravager missing because you were 0.1% outside his tiny area feels pretty awful

[uneven mason]

At least we don't charge off the platform anymore

Speaking in that, I do 1 night a week in classic, and I had my paladin cotank run off kologarns platform

Literally just ♿ straight off

[dusky canopy]

#showtooltip
/use 13
/use 14

Get a WA that tracks trinket CDs
Win

[tropic gorge]

Ah why use a wa when the item sitting on a bar if you have room or add one works just as well

[dusky canopy]

I mean if you like to look at your bars instead of around your character then you do you

[uneven mason]

Staring at hotkeys #1 cause of death on Azeroth

[north ocean]

W

[median tulip]

Be a real player; turn your bars invisible

[modest bramble]

there a list of m+ spells that can be spell blocked? i know im missing them in my runs and prob using when i dont need to as well

[graceful thunder]

Hi all. pretty new to tanking, mostly doesnt seem too hard, just a few random situations i am having trouble dealing with. How is the best way to deal with crawth?

after a wipe of feeling like i was getting destroyed another person who occasionalyl tanks said to try cycle between demo shout and a big defensive, demo shout only seemed to make every 3

[crystal mauve]

I had a weird bug yesterday on Hyrja, her first cast was the tank buster then tempest seconds after. Did this append to someone else? We reset it a few times and couldn’t figure why she was doing this…

[reef holly]

Yeah that's happened to me as well

[uneven mason]

[crystal mauve]

Have you figured why? It makes the fight an absolute shit show and couldn’t kill her :/

[uneven mason]

Your healer also needs to be aware that the bleed is going to destroy you, most of the time healers expect tanks to be self sufficient, and we are outside of something like this that is designed to just murder us

[graceful thunder]

yeah i definitely feel the healer was a bit... not healing me haha

[uneven mason]

It's pretty common in pugs

[graceful thunder]

but i just dont have enough defensive timings to be able to cycle through ?

i was saying to my friend i guess i had to ask for external every third to make it smooth

made the most sense

[uneven mason]

There's a pin that kinda covers it

[graceful thunder]

yeah i did see that. maybe can work in some more ignore pain procs lol

[uneven mason]

"procs" wat

[graceful thunder]

ignore pain button presses o.o

maybe not the right word haha

[uneven mason]

During that bleed IP should basically be 100% of your rage out

If needed swap out uf for IO

Gives you basically 2 more SW

[graceful thunder]

is there an acronym breakdown somewhere

[uneven mason]

Uf - unstoppable force, IO - immovable object, the toggle under avatar

Makes avatar a defensive

At a slight rps and DPS loss

[graceful thunder]

if people are doing giga high keys without that i shouldnt need to , surely

bit elitist but thats the best way i look at it lol. if others can do it i should be able to

[uneven mason]

The guys doing those giga keys have a team that works in concert, never take what the top dudes are doing as gospel

[reef holly]

It’s just a bug- as long as you are prepared you’ll be fine

[uneven mason]

Especially if you're pugging or have Jim, you're absentminded casual buddy in heals

[graceful thunder]

a valid point

[uneven mason]

Like a little communication and modifying your play to fit the situation are 2 big lessons. Understanding what's possible in properly executed gameplay vs the reality of your WW rolling off the platform 2* during wind phase... yeah

[lusty tiger]

[uneven mason]

Go in hoping for the Globetrotters, but be prepared for Mr.Bean

[modest bramble]

awesome thanks!

[lusty tiger]

👴

[glass spear]

if the 4pc only activates after LS ends, could we be looking at cancelaura tech to pair the extra damage with avatar?

also, do you keep the SB uptime from bolster if you cancelaura LS?

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmtIrkR6O7I ecce homo qui est faba

[uneven mason]

1989 was the last year I watched broadcast tv, idk any modern references.

[uneven mason]

Idk I haven't taken bolster all xpac

[lusty tiger]

Vid says unavailable

[sick sentinel]

there hasn't been a reason to, so far

[lusty tiger]

I feel that

[uneven mason]

Why would you sacrifice the SS damage on St, but really it depends what the "shockwave" damage is

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzGimN2H2oQ ecce homo qui est faba (behold the man who is a bean)

[lusty tiger]

But you never got to watch the socker bopper commercials

[sick sentinel]

im just a guy, why have i been summoned to this realm?

[uneven mason]

I remember seeing those and wondering why because in my house we all had boxing gloves

[sick sentinel]

i remember when april o neal from TMNT was a hot girl in a yellow rainsuit with big boobs, nows shes... well.... not any of those.....

i don't know why that had to change, we had a good thing going and now it's gone

[solar shadow]

yeah i too love turtle tits

[amber siren]

[sick sentinel]

no idea where ashley name came from besides i knew it started with an A

[blazing condor]

daily schizo posting

[sick sentinel]

i think the person that doesn't like boobs is a schizo personally, but we too off topic now

[indigo gulch]

any1 can share what the best route for AV?

[toxic pewter]

You guys gonna do season 2 m+ testing

[dusky canopy]

No none of us in here are playing season 2

[toxic pewter]

? On the ptr they’re testing the dungeons

[patent osprey]

[toxic pewter]

Nice!

[dusky canopy]

Yeah for sure I’m just memeing

[toxic pewter]

Any chance u streaming it

[dusky canopy]

The effects are doubled while LS is active so I doubt we will be trying to do anything like this

[glass spear]

think it will depend on how powerful the AoE component is (and obviously if you're in AoE or ST scenario)

[toxic pewter]

If we are gonna be doing cancel auras I won’t lie that’s annoying and hope it doesn’t come to that

[dusky canopy]

I mean it would have to be really really big

30% increased SS damage is real thic

[patent osprey]

ill definitely be streaming it whenever it comes out ^.^

[toxic pewter]

Nice

[dusky canopy]

Anybody by chance know what kind of damage forge storm is capable of?
I know some tanks were using it on the tournament realm, not sure if it was talked about

I’m assuming it’s going to be hard locked in for us

But are we talking like 2-3% of our damage

More or less

[violet flume]

ive never bothered with the skip route and i completed +20 Fort AV last week with 3:30 to spare, just pull pats on the rings with other mobs and pull entire frog rooms at once.

we had a guy die early on azureblade so we probably lost 30sec since he couldnt dps for a while too

[tropic gorge]

Had a dude kill himself on the drake pass in hov18 last night. Cost us the timer with the affix this week

Hov first boss is either a cake walk, or dps kills themselves and it takes forever

[sick sentinel]

first boss?

ppl expect that u move him to the safe spot... but its really monkey brain shit, if i can hit him in melee, you porbably should be able to as well

i don't even really move that boss if its not required, just standing on side of him i need to, relative.

[amber siren]

melee will usually follow the boss blindly on that fight

it's the ranged you gotta worry about

[sick sentinel]

in my experience

boss doesn't physically move

melee doesn't look to see dsragon

melee dps dies

[violet flume]

you keep boss inbetween?

[dusky canopy]

That fly over clips melee all the time

[violet flume]

its definitely more idiot-proof to move him physically

it indicates to everyone where to go

i went wrong place once and 3 people got hit

people 100% rely on you lol

[dusky canopy]

Agreed try to get the boss to the first fly over spot after the lightning clears then it’s zugzug time

[lusty tiger]

Did you have all brothers?

[tropic gorge]

That's the best part about hov

I'm on point for keeping my eye to the sky and moving lol

[median tulip]

I usually park the boss on the border between two sections and just dance around him. If the DPS get hit that's their fucking fault

It's not like everyone hasn't seen that exact mechanic on Kaal, Vexiona etc before

[fallow nova]

This gives me some hope, as I've been struggling with doing the skip for pugs

Everyone is on board until literally any whelp pull besides the first, where it's an absolute massacre every time

[sick sentinel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/1071965654288191499/yogipaint.png

how yogi tank this boss

start at red, move to orange as needed

move to red after dragon passes

[jaunty reef]

What are the preferred embellishments?

50% potion absorption inhibitor?

[fresh igloo]

unstable frostfire belt if you have raid rings to trigger

[jaunty reef]

I do not raid

[fresh igloo]

other than that it's kinda personal preference. they all have relatively similar offensive value.

[sick sentinel]

u can get them from TW weeks

thats how i got 408 totem and fire dmg ring

[small dove]

is there a working ignore pain tracker? the one pinned is giving me an error

[jaunty reef]

not sure i sent corectly

but this IP tracker works for me

It is by Genshii

[median tulip]

Lariat and whatever you want. I run the special wrists, mostly, but I also have the frostfire belt

[sick sentinel]

im currently doing 418 shield spikes and lariat 405

[remote venture]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUkRRARpFRRBBMVUVURFVFVYVUDQBA After the Season 2 Tier bonus was known, I wanted to see if this build will work when you have tier 4 bonus

[sick sentinel]

415 lariat 418 when i can

[small dove]

Working, thank yoU!

[sick sentinel]

i won't be madge if ii cant get 418 lariat right away, only if its below 415

[jaunty reef]

Awesome, no worries!

[pallid quiver]

Tough as Nails is not worth as much as Battering Ram, and Unnerving Focus is still not as much rage as bloodsurge

[median tulip]

Um... Neither of the talents after shield charge? That's a big yikes

[pallid quiver]

Just at a casual glance

Oh, not even Bulwark?

[sick sentinel]

why not blood surge and battering ram/ champion bulwark?

[pallid quiver]

yeah that's real bad there

[sick sentinel]

everything else i can forgive, no blood surge, no

[small dove]

unstoppable force or immovable object for m+? also opinions on into the fray vs heavy repercussions?

[remote venture]

Good point with Bulwark

Unnervinf Focus seems worst between the Bolster one?

[pallid quiver]

Currently, HR in pretty much all situations, since ITF is a minimal aoe dos increase in exchange for lower ST DPS and gaps on Shield Block

Unstoppable Force is also much easier to manage and generally better damage, iirc; Immovable Object has upsides for making your not get murdered, but that's not a concern when playing well

[small dove]

problem is more so in pugs

[pallid quiver]

Even in pugs

It has no relation whatsoever to who you're grouped with

[remote venture]

I miss Blood surge!

[uneven mason]

One sister, I'm the youngest of 4. My bones are very strong.

[remote venture]

Question is, do we even need to change for new tier bonus?Bolster makes LS use more often?

[small dove]

im presently running unstoppable force, and tend to do fine but when the healer is undergeared or not on top of it is when it seems more problematic

[prisma sky]

Hi all. Just found this discord. Had some questions about Prot Warrior talents in WOTLK. Is this the best place to ask?

[pallid quiver]

You're playing poorly is more likely the issue; the only times you need to desperately rely on healer are at key, planned moments like Crawth pecks and the like

[sick sentinel]

its too bad they removed the 5 person SW

[pallid quiver]

we do retail; there's a link to the classic warrior discord somewhere

[sick sentinel]

+25% 5 man DR all the time would have been completely opressive though

[tropic gorge]

Don't we still have a month before next season?

[prisma sky]

Thank you.

[uneven mason]

#mop-discussion

[prisma sky]

Thanks

[pallid quiver]

Probably Bolster for the extra damage, but we'll need to wait for full tuning to really decide

Loke if the shockwave turns out to be cracked, 100% ez bolster pickup

[remote venture]

oh right

[pallid quiver]

I'm wagering the extra uptime on 30% SS damage will be worth picking Bolster, but we'll see

You lose out on the passive damage from Tough as Nails if you pick it up most commonly, which is a non-zero amount of our damage

[small dove]

the only times has really been situations like the searing blows on kokia blazehoof searing blows, and its only when ive had healers in +22 with 405 gear, but my question wasnt whether i was playing poorly but moreso what is generally used

[pallid quiver]

Unstoppable Force still

[remote venture]

So maybe it can be us on Bolster if Speel Block is not needed in dungeon?

[urban portal]

Yea

[pallid quiver]

Grabbing Spell Block is currently the hardest thing to do if we start grabbing Bolster for the tier set; there was a discussion recently about exactly that

my thoughts are spell block doesn't exist

[remote venture]

I see

[sick sentinel]

anyway to stop this overlap and is arcing bolt a random target or furthest target or anything like that

[lusty tiger]

Ye I had two brothers 8 and 11 yrs older- makes me feel bad for only children