1%
#protection
lusty tiger
modern brook
then rejoined with his boy to complain
strong forum
to such a degree that 1 missed button has a larger impact?
storm merlin
https://clips.twitch.tv/StormyMoistElkDuDudu-gM2l270A8n6o5gme
Just gonna link this for the 10th time in the last 5 minutes
drifting pewter
God bless
tired pivot
I know for a fact, that in King's rest. Dwarves could 1 button remove an entire boss mechanic
hardy ridge
even in +30s there is a mix of races
strong forum
WOAH
tired pivot
so it is a literal insane advantage
minor helm
Gotta get the squad in
storm merlin
Because you clearly haven't watched it yet
mortal brook
Nomeratur, i dont care what a margin for error is ty
mortal brook
pls just reinforce what i already believe
strong forum
cuz debuff cleanse is good
soft bridge
because they look damn good while doing it imo
pulsar herald
ayo why are 90% of dk dwarf
strong forum
did vs dorf is the same debuff cleanse
lusty tiger
Dam guys I just can’t prog +30 because I don’t have the money for a race change
pulsar herald
mortal brook
cuz dwarves are cute
lusty tiger
It’s the race holding me back obv
hardy ridge
ayo why are 90% of dk dwarf
arent you asking about pwarr?
pulsar herald
class discord
drifting pewter
I can't wait to not push a 30 and say boy I wish I wasn't a tauren
lusty tiger
No they are race prog locked didn’t U hear
tired pivot
I know for a fact, that in King's rest. Dwarves could 1 button remove an entire ...
I mean, nobody addressed this yet
literal insane advantage
mortal brook
tired pivot
for choosing a different race
mortal brook
look at it. its the clear choice
cobalt seal
https://i.imgur.com/wx3EX66.png
strong forum
i helped with not needing to play around the bleed every once in 2 packs
mortal brook
situational advantage thats in margin for error?
strong forum
like
tired pivot
Yes, we choose races for those situational advantages
drifting pewter
Are you arguing that it's easier or that it's only possible on dwarf
tired pivot
some races have MORE situational advantages
some have LESS
Nobody plays worgen, because they have 0 over other races
drifting fable
🥺 i play worgen
lusty tiger
Heal me more, dispel me sooner, cc the thing
pulsar herald
@strong forum
mortal brook
ONLY possible on dwarf. idk what a margin for error is
modern brook
🥺 i play worgen
sorry you're trash 😦
lofty widget
KR is back?
strong forum
i dont agree
lofty widget
i dont understand this argument
drifting fable
i know 
pulsar herald
ok bye
strong forum
same as dwarf in SL wasnt necessary
tired pivot
just because content can be cleared by a group playing ele, assa, arcane
strong forum
👋
mortal brook
you said bye, why you still here
tired pivot
does not mean that you should ever tell somebody to take that comp
lusty tiger
The streamers have the answers
drifting fable
bro if you wanna play dwarf just play dwarf idk why it has to be like this
hazy thicket
LMAO the man presenting literal textbook fallacy argument claims bad faith
strong forum
its even worse
pulsar herald
I am not the one who went ballistic
strong forum
that hes asking between DiD and normal dwarf
cobalt seal
I am not the one who went ballistic
yes you were lol
modern brook
you literally left the discord then came back to argue
lusty tiger
U get better productivity because u have a port straight to the ah
cobalt seal
"hm my friend warned me from asking in the class discord because I will get this answer and told me to ask high rio streamers instead"
modern brook
???
mortal brook
'ballistic' Ad hominem!
cobalt seal
where did u get this asspull from
didn't you say bye?
mortal brook
attacking emotional state to discredit, nice
cobalt seal
why is it taking so long?
lusty tiger
Oh tru
cobalt seal
dont forget to take your friend with you
hazy thicket
The entirety of your position rests on a single mechanic in a single irrelevant dungeon and Nome is arguing in bad faith? Gaslighting also isn't real
pulsar herald
its not my entire position it is an anecdote that proves the concept
drifting pewter
But you can still clear the same dungeon on the same difficulty by just using your groups CDs differently
It's just more convenient sure
strong forum
if races mattered so much
modern brook
its not my entire position it is an anecdote that proves the concept
the concept that different racials have different applications across different fights?
strong forum
why were almost all pushers horde in bfa?
modern brook
and you dont see how that like... balances out?
strong forum
🤔
lusty tiger
U want a solution that compensateds for your inability to play a spec correctly the game is balanced around playing all races
drifting fable
pretty sure no one said “dwarf bad”, they all said the difference is negligible
because it is
pulsar herald
the concept I was trying to prove with that anecdote is that racials can in fact be very impactful
no less no more
lofty widget
no one argued that lol
lusty tiger
It is 1 interaction in 1000+
pulsar herald
as you guys argued otherwise
cobalt seal
we literally said
races dont matter in the end of the day
to a point that you race change
that's the entire point
you ignoring
pulsar herald
I was asking because my friend wasnt entirely sure what to level
and picking the race still
no race change was ever mentioned
drifting fable
whatever looks cutest
cobalt seal
same shit
cobalt seal
whatever looks cutest
this lol
lusty tiger
It is to feel cool with the race bonuses, imo did has some really cool feeling ones (move speed inside, teleport, cleanse+ap)
hazy thicket
And the answer is whatever they like the look of
strong forum
ill say this
torn pendant
i've race changed like 20times, always only for the appearance
pulsar herald
yeah the moment I see draenai female being represented more than dwarves in top 10 tank rio
modern brook
no race change was ever mentioned
if your friend is picking a race to play only kings rest
yeah go dwarf
strong forum
i changed from dark iron dwarf to normal dwarf cuz im really fucking dumb and want my 2% crit dmg and i like the customisation more
modern brook
i changed from dark iron dwarf to normal dwarf cuz im really fucking dumb and wa...
sure it wasnt to time KR in 2022?
sturdy sable
Wait are we getting kings rest back
strong forum
ill hit you up when it plays a role
lusty tiger
I need it for zul aman bear boss tho
drifting fable
no but it could happen in a few seasons 
mortal brook
give me Sethrallis back; i need a fat Fang again
sturdy sable
give me Sethrallis back; i need a fat Fang again
Gonna reflect that first boss spell again you mean
drifting fable
lord they better not bring back kr out of all the BFAs
sick sentinel
ill hit you up when it plays a role
axe bitch 3rd boss tyranical..... oh god no.... not again 😦
lusty tiger
Waycrest
silent cave
i changed from dark iron dwarf to normal dwarf cuz im really fucking dumb and wa...
does the 2% healing increase the sustain we have too?
lusty tiger
Pls god
strong forum
does the 2% healing increase the sustain we have too?
we cant heal crit
mortal brook
can they even do KR with xfaction
lusty tiger
But your crits will heal u 2% more lol
silent cave
we cant heal crit
ah, based on the tooltip, wasn't sure if it was crit healing or healing
sick sentinel
that stupid axe lady depleted more of my my KR's than anything else
sturdy sable
Theyd probably just put a faction glamour on us like in BoD @mortal brook
mortal brook
you cant xfaction bod
yogi
sturdy sable
you cant xfaction bod
Nope but they did give us a faction glamour
sick sentinel
i remember that dungeon being not very fun 😦 lol
modern brook
no one liked KR
hazy thicket
I thought siege was the only dungeon that was different for each faction?
sick sentinel
or, painful is a better word
modern brook
I thought siege was the only dungeon that was different for each faction?
Upper is technically different for each faction
lusty tiger
What was the best bfa dungeon then?
modern brook
they'd likely just put you in the instance of the faciton of the party leader
mortal brook
wcm
sturdy sable
What was the best bfa dungeon then?
Freehold
sick sentinel
AD in s1 s2
minor helm
they'd likely just put you in the instance of the faciton of the party leader
Correct
mortal brook
do we include mechagon? cuz that was neat
minor helm
Is how their blue post on it stated
sick sentinel
mechagon also
modern brook
Is how their blue post on it stated
i work at blizord
sturdy sable
AD in s1 s2
Infested AD was something else lol
modern brook
I hated AD
lusty tiger
Underrot was really cool
modern brook
I liked underrot but best dungeon?
lusty tiger
But sometimes frustrating w pugs
hazy thicket
I hated having to teach guildies how to Yazma every fucking run
modern brook
WCM and motherload both exist
lusty tiger
WCM need to see s2 or I unsub
sick sentinel
we had a paladin for hoj, me with storm bolt and dk with grip ready for that shit, but we were all pepega still are
modern brook
will probably be freehold
pulsar herald
personally loved the design of sots
modern brook
- something from cata
sick sentinel
soon as those fuckers come out, everyone swapped to at least 1 and nukked it
lusty tiger
will probably be freehold
I would cry
modern brook
people just really like freehold cause it was easy as balls
modern brook
It was a bad dungeon
but you could pentapull and time it by hours
so ppl like it 😄
sick sentinel
then. we'd dg and slow and stuff on the other add, have it cc'd if its not in the die pile some reason
sturdy sable
Wall to wall pulling is the funnest way to do dungeon's so any one that lets that happen is usually ppls fav
Ppl like to blast
minor helm
Everyone’s happy when number big
sick sentinel
wcm and FH are so easy because you can get in them at lvl 1 repeatedly to lvl 60
modern brook
i just think freehold is overrated
sick sentinel
so word of mouth how to do them spreads fast
fierce field
Underbog > Underrot
cobalt seal
I just came back with popcorn. Is it over?
safe shale
I would argue that wall to wall pulling is not everyone's favorite. As a retired dps I can recall times when this happened and getting frustrated that the meter was running but had to wait for everything to catch up to the tank to start dps. So while the number might be big, it's not as big as if you could start dps'ing when the meter starts. Lol
minor helm
Lol like a dps warrior is allowed to touch the pack insta on pull
modern brook
"Rollercoasters arent fun becasue the employee has to check my safety belt"
sick sentinel
addressable rgb hotswappable and modular, seems good to me
numpad can be on the STMAX labled cable attached to side on left or right hand side, google "mountain everest" if interested
sturdy sable
i just think freehold is overrated
Wot ye dun like bri'ish pierats m8
fast knot
Ranged not being able to bait the first boss so ya boy gets pistoled
quartz brook
Hello guys, have you any ideea of talents in beta for prot warr? 😄
fierce field
There are a couple of pinned builds
strong forum
do u know if haste > crit even in raw dmgs ?
for ST its crit/vers > haste
for aoe its haste > crit > vers
zenith vale
thx !
misty coral
at 70 what will shield block uptime be like? still not close to 100 right?
misty coral
oh okay thanks
mild otter
So.. haven’t played in awhile. Where can I get a shield for a fresh character? 😂
I wanna start spamming dungeons but don’t have a shield for any prot skills they only gave me a 2H
strong forum
should have a bag in your inventory that gives you other weapons
otherwise can prolly buy a 233 from AH to get started
or actually from pre-patch event
just do that for a bit and you can get a 258
mild otter
I’m level 10 my guy
pallid quiver
If you have Chromie Time, iirc the first few quests of Pandaland give you a choice of a shield
fierce field
Or do the weapon quest in legion?
tropic sundial
Oh yeah definitely start legion
drifting pewter
Anyone remember how much the pre patch bags are?
mild otter
Oh got it. It starts you in the dwarf district. The storm wind center has another shop.
5 for the reagent pouch
steel juniper
Are threat meters used in retail at all?
mild otter
Can mechagnomes never mog their head?
If I preview mog for a set it shows helmet, but then you can’t equip it
Spent 7 hours grinding for this damn warrior and now think I gotta manual level just for heritage gear lol
tulip kelp
Is the weird event still live? I got a 120ilvl warrior prob should get some gear before DF drops right
fierce field
It's still live
minor helm
Till launch next Monday
tulip kelp
Pretty easy to farm gear still?
minor helm
From prepatch event yeah
keen spruce
Pretty easy to farm gear still?
Currency is boa. So if you have multiple toons. Do the daily and a boss and you’re geared in a day
loud patrol
so after healing a couple of dungeons as resto druid i have decided im back to tanking 
olive steeple
so after healing a couple of dungeons as resto druid i have decided im back to t...
Why is that lol
loud patrol
i mean healing is fine and all
but i dont have the patience to deal with brain dead dps
sturdy sable
That wont change unless you dps sadly
mortal brook
now i just need a dragon slayer transmog for DF
sturdy sable
Everyone was ugly before tmog existed
onyx briar
Everyone was ugly before tmog existed
This is so true
loud patrol
cant find a helmet and chestplate for this
brave stirrup
Is the wowhead “should I roll a prot war” accurate? It reads like satire.
strong forum
what about makes it seem so?
brave stirrup
Are prot wars as easy to play as it’s putting off? I think it downplays the amount of buttons. Also the entire why you shouldn’t play one just seems, well sattire.
strong forum
but there is no reason not to play warrior
and yes its become very very easy to play now
plush saffron
It is satire because Prot War is so OP that there is not even a need for the article
brave stirrup
I guess Ive just been grinded down so much from this expansion I don’t understand because I haven’t been able to play beta and see the difference
plush saffron
then you have people in the comments saying how nuanced and complex prot war is so that they feel like they're just really smart and can play the class well
loud patrol
i want a shield that talks
strong forum
just reading through the talents gives enough info as to why pwar is dumbfuck easy now
brave stirrup
Prot leading into DF is more op then blood atm? Serious question
strong forum
prot is rated as the best tank
closely followed by bdk and vdh
bear is super strong too
lyric elm
How does bear handle magic damage ?
peak bramble
Even if bdk slightly edges out prot for like 90% of the population pwars the correct choice just due to ease of use
lyric elm
Someone said that the best tank is the one that survives
plush saffron
How does bear handle magic damage ?
large HP pool and self heals
strong forum
Someone said that the best tank is the one that survives
if that was the case VDH woulda been the best tank all of BFA
cuz VDH was literally immortal
untouchably immortal
cobalt seal
cuz VDH was literally immortal
strong forum
issue was to get so disgustingly immortal youd sacrifice also huge amounts of damage output
lyric elm
It's a bit of a joke, but DPS will have trouble surviving and the tank will need to finish the job
Yes
obsidian path
https://tenor.com/view/jdg-joueur-du-grenier-spam-gif-14785437
wow, not common to see a french youtuber in here
wasn't expecting that
strong forum
my bet is he just typed nerd into gif section
cobalt seal
I just search shear spam
strong forum
or that
cobalt seal
that was the hilarious result
obsidian path
now you gotta do a bit of damage ?
strong forum
a bit?
lyric elm
I lean towards vdh to be "best" because it has more cc than warrior
Abilities truck and kill your dps
obsidian path
haven't touched anything concerning the beta, wanted a 'fresh' experience
strong forum
historically always the highest dmg output tank was considered the best
plush saffron
group damage is what is important. If you can make bigger pulls and kite less then the groups damage will be higher compared to a tank who does smaller pulls and has to kite a bit but individually does more damage than the other tank
obsidian path
worked for S1 during sl
brave stirrup
So since you said prot war is considered the best you are saying it’s pumping ?
obsidian path
vdh was stupid with silences and kiting
lyric elm
If dps aren't afraid and are alive and you pull big with cc and 10s silence you will do group damage
strong forum
SL s1 was special
obsidian path
could pull a whole map and just, not tank in melee
strong forum
none of the tanks could tank anything
prisma crane
Are prot wars as easy to play as it’s putting off? I think it downplays the amou...
i agree about the buttons, we're very heavy in that dept
lyric elm
Yes i just jumped around with vdh
prisma crane
doesnt mean difficult but def heavy
lyric elm
It was stupid
strong forum
So since you said prot war is considered the best you are saying it’s pumping ?
a good pwar does good damage yes and its very easy to do so
lyric elm
Go in with spikes, tank 1 global, jump out
strong forum
brew does more damage but alot of people dont like the challenge that comes with brew
vdh was rising in popularity because its both tanky and does really good damage
idk how it is now after the frailty nerfs
bdk is an immortal tank but alot of people did very little damage so they didnt like it
bear was fine defensively but did very little dmg before its buffs so people didnt like it
cobalt seal
brew does more damage but alot of people dont like the challenge that comes with...
we dont say that here
brew doesn't do dmg
they have to pull small
fast knot
They sure take it though
plush saffron
lmao
loud patrol
strong forum
ah yeh true, somehow only specific tanks can pull big in dungeons where pulling big isnt even possible
my bad
lyric elm
idk how it is now after the frailty nerfs
dorki liked fiery brand, so ill try that. you can go both brand and frailty build at the same time, but its less tanky
lyric elm
frailty is more fun anyway
lyric elm
maybe. it looks solid. but it is less tanky and you cant take cheat death
strong forum
cheat death
cobalt seal
dorki didn't do ftd+FB
strong forum
cobalt seal
he did frailty+FB
strong forum
ah
lyric elm
"just dont die"
strong forum
yeah figured
lyric elm
cheat death
what was your intent here?
strong forum
i laughed about cheat death
strong forum
<a:keksquad:766690598635044895>
^
99% of the time youll proc cheat death in DF when your group is already dead
waste of a talent point
lyric elm
you're actually right
because all tanks are so tanky now
its a waste
im still stuck in SL mindset
frailty+brand it is, then
cobalt seal
just because LR is meh
doesn't mean middle isn't good for high keys
having DGB + FTD is pretty good for having something up all the time
lyric elm
yes, there will be a time you get 1 shot
cobalt seal
there is no 1-shots unless you fuck up
lyric elm
those officer dragons in azure vault that does an ice-attack buster on you. it trucks incredibly
ocean prairie
guys what do you suggest to spend the dinar on? or will it be useless after the expansion? i was thinking between aegis and old warrior soul
odd tree
wep for the xmog
plush saffron
neon elk
guys what do you suggest to spend the dinar on? or will it be useless after the ...
U will swap those in first few levels, go for tmogs
ocean prairie
mm ok
neon elk
There are also some sick shields , like sod ones
odd tree
^
mellow quartz
does anyone know if we happen to share arms spell id for fueled by voilence also? 🙂
strong forum
looks to be that way
odd tree
arms dev secretly a prot main
loud patrol
i think the same
odd tree
did the arms bloodsurge buff stick with prot?
strong forum
yes
odd tree
nice
mellow quartz
looks to be that way
man have to look at arms all the time for prot changes these days 🙂
strong forum
yeup
mellow quartz
not that I think this will make you play FBV in keys but still nice
mellow quartz
in this 18 HOV I had 2700 dps from deep wounds so before buffs FBV would have been 1350 hps and now after its 1755 hps
talk abt pointless
odd tree
what's your hp looking like?
ebon gorge
Do you think it being back to 10% is intended or will be brought back to 7%?
mellow quartz
what's your hp looking like?
400k at abt 400 ilvl
sturdy sable
Do you think it being back to 10% is intended or will be brought back to 7%?
The original notes said 10% but 7% is what we got anyways
Cause arms lul
ebon gorge
Ya I remember that but then they course corrected with 7% later then back to 10% due to same ID
uncut notch
has anyone noticed keys feel harder this week and last
idk i cant put my finger on it, gone from ez clap to actually having to fish for buttons
my friends say they adjusted the damage of mobs but i literally cant find anything
past drum
it was a slight tuning iirc. not the new scaling like in df
uncut notch
it was a slight tuning iirc. not the new scaling like in df
Paladin disc says 20%
that sounds about right tbh
just weird
mellow quartz
when people say they buffed the dungeons it is usually in reference to the new % scaling
don't think anyone made any arguments they increased K values from DF etc etc
mortal brook
key insert popup says new scaling, actual hp values says no new hp values. the damage increase is correct tho.
so 🍝
sage fable
What professions are people rolling? I’m very torn on what to run. Intent is to maximize M+ performance, not necessarily make gold.
outer thorn
Engie/Ench has always felt like a good utility/economy balance for me as a primarily m+ player
fierce field
Engi/Mining, but that's because I've been engi, and like to be able to collect mats on my main. my wife runs alchy and ench on her toon
would hate to lose the access to jeeves, figured I put in the time at one point to get it 😄
green python
hey guys, i'm not a english speaker ^^'
Someone can tell me what means this please ?
HR
ITF
BSV
SB
pallid quiver
Heavy Repurcussions
Into the Fray
Battle Scarred Veteran
Shield Block
All talent names except the last one
green python
thanks you ❤️
full heart
Honestly sometimes it's hard even for English speakers to learn all the acronyms lol
outer thorn
Warrior have quite a few spells that use the same acronyms too..
green python
Honestly sometimes it's hard even for English speakers to learn all the acronyms...
Just learning war prot, I only knows monk tank acronyms XD
full heart
SB can't that also mean Stormbolt?
hollow plume
for ST its crit/vers > haste
is this for DF or actual game ?
pallid quiver
It's almost always shield block because of how important it is
outer thorn
and almost never Sonic Boom
green python
what did you think about this for mm+ guys : https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAUBUVUkRVARpFRRBBNVUVEVFVFUYVUQCQR
mellow quartz
I don't think you will have the haste to pull that off until around 30%
and you should go punish instead of nails
I absolutely think you need HR, bulwark and ED starting out
green python
I see, because our stats are going to be shaky for a while?
slim dove
I see, because our stats are going to be shaky for a while?
yup, don't expect to have the same haste as we do now.
loud patrol
i hate low haste :c
loud patrol
feels like casting a chaos bolt
loud patrol
idk if theres a reason you dont take Battle scarred veteran
slim dove
idk if theres a reason you dont take Battle scarred veteran
if your at the point of needing cheat death, your party is more than likely already wiped
slim dove
get better lol
loud patrol
lol
cobalt seal
that's the correct answer
if you know you are bad
and dont try to improve
a pseudo cheat isn't really helping you
cobalt seal
yes
mellow quartz
more like this one so ?
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/protec...
can just check the pins for builds
cobalt seal
that's like the golden rule of pwar
mellow quartz
and going no rally is a bit troll
cobalt seal
always have block up
loud patrol
since its proc based theres times i wont have it 100% up right?
cobalt seal
what's proc based
cobalt seal
that shouldn't be a reason to drop SB
loud patrol
no i mean theres some times i wont have SB for like 3 secs
lusty tiger
No
loud patrol
cuz i literally have no charges
lusty tiger
Your ss should be extending it iirc
cobalt seal
all the pin builds have 100% SB
lusty tiger
Sometimes I’m at 20 something seconds with 2 charges
cobalt seal
if you drop SB something is fishy
loud patrol
i think im not making myself understood
lusty tiger
U have stopped pressing buttons for far too long
mellow quartz
no i mean theres some times i wont have SB for like 3 secs
how much haste do you have and what talents do you run?
loud patrol
literally doesnt proc sometimes for a long time
lusty tiger
Then ur not pressing buttons
loud patrol
literally using every gcd
cobalt seal
doubt
lusty tiger
It happens either every gcd, every other gcd, or rarely on every 3rd gcd
mellow quartz
post a log
cobalt seal
this
lusty tiger
Because U also have devastator
loud patrol
lemmie check
cobalt seal
unless you mean 3s a long time
lusty tiger
I feel like a slave to my ss button sometimes
Like pls stop proccing i wanna revenge
Or tc
Depending obv
green python
it's literally a cicle
Did you know where i Can find a Doc or something like that for the War prio rotation pls ?
mellow quartz
as anything else, wowhead class guides
cobalt seal
Did you know where i Can find a Doc or something like that for the War prio rota...
press tc
mellow quartz
or icy veins
cobalt seal
press ss
press rev
press your bigger cd's on cd
that's about it
dump fury on IP
loud patrol
we call it zug zug spec
fierce field
Having SS macroed to cast on your IP button helps with catching those resets as well
ebon wren
eh. wouldn't do that,.. you dont necessarily want to SS during aoe
loud patrol
we weren just talking about we gotta spam SS for 100% SB uptime?
ebon wren
literally doesnt proc sometimes for a long time
dont take barbaric training if you find yourself rage starved for revenge.
cobalt seal
eh. wouldn't do that,.. you dont necessarily want to SS during aoe
it's "free"
ebon wren
its a gcd
cobalt seal
yes
ebon wren
thatn you could use revenge on instead
cobalt seal
a good one to use
lusty tiger
Ok u can’t say that unless you mention the mob count cutoff
ebon wren
if there's 8 mobs in front of me, im not wasting a global on a single ss
cobalt seal
you know prio dmg exists?
mellow quartz
if there's 8 mobs in front of me, im not wasting a global on a single ss
where is your rage coming from then?
8 mobs is not enough to sustain TC + revenge spam
ebon wren
the 8 mobs. thunderclaps. if revenge cant be cast ill SS
mellow quartz
if you do trivial content sure
in actual hard content you want rage to pump into IP
also are you assuming all mobs have same health or any prio mobs in the pack? no one cares abt pad damage if you can SS an important mob
cobalt seal
the macro kinda assures you that you can press rev next global
ebon wren
20-22 is my range right now. I dropped barbaric training because rage too low, spamming revenge is much easier and I'm getting a lot more SS procs. It's a spicy button to hit and you do want the violent outburst procs so you need to hit it for sure, but revenge is priority
ebon wren
im just saying, I would never macro it, because it's not always the priority
cobalt seal
your priority is off
mellow quartz
50% of the time you are in avatar and TC is your prior button then
mellow quartz
again completely depends on the pack in question
ebon wren
got into a argument here I think is silly, my only argument is not to macro it, you might need the global for something else.
mellow quartz
if it activates that means you had a free gcd available and you hadn't pressed anything
loud patrol
so if you dont press SS at 8 targets you dont get 100% uptime on SB?
mellow quartz
yes/no/maybe
mellow quartz
do you have 8% haste, shit talents and start of DF? yeah no SB for you
cobalt seal
and what pulls exactly are gonna be 8 targets
Academy?
CoS Imps LOL
Halls first pull?
that you might want to prio the dragon
so the macro doesn't really hurt
Shadowmoon/Temple can't really pull big without killing the party
same for NO, AV
I guess the start of ruby
but you generally have a prio target also
knotty vortex
anyone have a macro for shield charge and charge to be on the same key #showtooltip Shield Charge
/cast Shield Charge
/cast Charge
thats what im using
but it also uses a charge when im shield charging
id like to use the charges when shield charge is on cd
or is that possible
slim dove
Shield charge while away from mobs
cant you shield charge while in-transit from charging?
cobalt seal
But he wants to keep charge charges
knotty vortex
yeah so what happens is when i use that macro it uses shield charge and 1 of my charges out of 2
slim dove
oh
cobalt seal
Thats not possible
slim dove
yeah nevermind
cobalt seal
There is no way around it
Only play would be shield charge close to mobs
But that spends a gcd
cobalt seal
yeah so what happens is when i use that macro it uses shield charge and 1 of my ...
Why do you want to keep the charges of charge
knotty vortex
i guess in a pack theres no reason to keep em unless im charging to pack to pack
but makes no sense to have 2 different buttons that essentially do the same thing but 1 does a stun and more dmg
cobalt seal
Would you prefer 3rd charge of charge that only gave rage?
fierce field
maybe something with a cast sequence macro?
mellow quartz
cant you shield charge while in-transit from charging?
you cannot
knotty vortex
i didnt chekc
cobalt seal
It should
knotty vortex
if it does i guess use that charge same time would be a good thing going into a pck
mellow quartz
there are times you wanna open with sc so macroing it with regular charge is bad
slim dove
you cannot
too bad, would be fun in pvp with the talent that makes charge do a decent chunk of dmg
make outburst affect shield charge 
cobalt seal
there are times you wanna open with sc so macroing it with regular charge is bad
Why?
Honest question
knotty vortex
there are times you wanna open with sc so macroing it with regular charge is bad
yeah thats the idea opening when i can with SC but with it being macro'd to charge what i wanted it to do is still use the same button while SC is on CD. however when in SC it uses a 1 of my regular charges as well. i dont see th is being a bad thing is when i use SC i also get the rage from it being comsumed so having alot more rage when starting is good
knotty vortex
Why?
i just tested u get the 20 rage while using SC
all i can see is a good thing here when entering a pack
mellow quartz
many times you wanna group a pull up and then use SC
unless you go into the pull naked, then you might wanna SC first to get SB up
but if you have SB rolling then just use regular charge and group the pull then SC when its all stacked
cobalt seal
many times you wanna group a pull up and then use SC
But wont you have to cast it then
mellow quartz
clicking buttons is hard indeed
fierce field
I have Charge / Shield Charge on the same button, one is just a shift mod
odd tree
I have Charge / Shield Charge on the same button, one is just a shift mod
Was going to recommend this actually. SC will basically take the position of intervene in my charge macro
fierce field
yep, that's exactly what I did
sharp bone
does sc have a min yard range? (not at pc sorry for dumb question)
loud patrol
only when in melee?
slim dove
yes.
loud patrol
i didnt know they could do that
sweet urchin
#protection message
im looking back at this discussion on trying to track the 180 sec cooldown of battle-scarred veteran. this guy says you have to track the ICD but does anyone know how to do that in weakauras? the only cooldown option i find is under the "spell" type in the trigger tab and putting the spell in there does not trigger the weakaura when the spell goes off
mellow quartz
guess make a WA that counts down 180s from when you gain the buff
dunno how to make it do that though
sweet urchin
yeah that would work fine too, i also have no clue how to start a timer
ebon wren
Type /timer Hit start when you get the buff
ocean bloom
it really should just have a debuff
paper coral
What professions are you all looking at?
sharp night
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/1042609098232...
trigger combat log - spell - aura applied - source unit = player - spellid <bsv buff> - at the bottom hide = timed 180
loud patrol
im so bored idk what to do!
ornate thunder
The struggle is real
stark hinge
I don't even want to touch my prot until DF comes out lol
paper coral
im doing xmog
stray portal
Is charge -> avatar -> thunder clap -> shield block a pretty typical opener on a pack in m+? If I have no rage/defensives rolling from the previous pack, say.
Also, does demoralizing shout generate any threat by itself?
arctic marten
Is charge -> avatar -> thunder clap -> shield block a pretty typical opener on a...
If you're starting with zero rage, the opener is Charge -> Avatar -> Shield Block or you will be smacked and be forced to waste a GCD on Impending Victory
mellow quartz
Start with shield charge instead of charge in that situation.
quartz kettle
god the new expac cant come fast enough
kara/mechagon/Wod dungeons are actualy so boring
stray portal
Is it possible to have 100% uptime on Shield Block without Heavy Repercussions? Not sure what other talents interact with Shield Block's cd/duration.
mellow quartz
With enough haste you can have it up with just ED, Bolster and bulwark.
Don’t expect to have enough haste at the start though. You will need a lot.
stray portal
Gotcha, thanks. In my brain, shield block == bone shield, so I feel like I should have it up all the time, but they're very different spells.
stray portal
well, it's a lot
urban portal
most of the value is in the haste
stray portal
but shield block is more impactful, yes
urban portal
the actual armor doesnt mean much
fairly sure bdk with bones up is around the same armor as a prot warrior baseline
maybe a bit more
stray portal
shattering bones is pretty big
urban portal
yeah but im saying regular bone shield without anything
stray portal
yep, I agree
stray portal
The difference in mitigation is unbelievable. I pulled two packs of horsies before attumen this evening and expected my health to yoyo all over the place, but it barely moved
stray portal
when you see that sb is going to wear off and you don't have wall to cover?
(that's probably an over-simplification)
mellow quartz
The difference in mitigation is unbelievable. I pulled two packs of horsies befo...
If you come from DK then yes that is quite literally the whole point of how pwar works vs bdk. Does not mean they are more tanky just because of that alone though.
stray portal
Yeah. I got a magic dot on me after my healer died in a pull and wanted to cry. Impending victory + ignore pain != death strike
mellow quartz
More like WOG
loud whale
Does SB duration have a cap?
urban bane
yeah it is like 24 seconds iirc.
loud whale
Darn, I remember in legion finishing a boss fight with almost 2 mins on shield block duration, must’ve been changed
urban portal
when you see that sb is going to wear off and you don't have wall to cover?
essentially yeah, when your defensives run dry and kicks are not going through
neon elk
^ but thats where most tank will suffer , not only warr
urban bane
Darn, I remember in legion finishing a boss fight with almost 2 mins on shield b...
still is possible to keep it up for huge effective uptime, so don't fret :]
shadow aurora
hi, its been a long time since ive been serious about tanking, and even when I was I was prot paladin. but we used to have a "push the crits off the table" thing were we tried to get our mitigation to about 95% to factor in the 5% miss chance to give us 100% chance to either dodge, parry or shield block. I know its been out the window for a while now, but playing my paladin again I realize im really close to that now, actually. So what im wondering is A) is 5% miss chance even a thing anymore, and B) are we gonna get close enough dragonplace that shield block 100% uptime for warrior isnt such a super big deal. With the new talents, maintaining shield block is alot easier but if im looking at only a 7% chance of being hit without shield block maybe I wont panic so much when its down lol. you know? just wondering
warm plinth
Shield Block is maintainable at 100% uptime
I know miss chance is still a thing for autos but I don't know if it's still 5% or not.
urban portal
the 100% mitigation thing is VERY archaic
prot pal having 100% mitigation doesnt mean they are the tankiest tank
conversely warrior with the lowest active mitigation uptime in shadowlands doesnt mean they are the weakest tank
shadow aurora
I understand that, ive been a heals main for quite a while now actually, but with all my friends trying evoker I swapped to my prot warrior and ive noticed Im kinda really fucking sturdy even tho Im bad and forget to activate shield block alot. but all my mitigation together is adding up tou about 68% and I was wondering if maybe that has something to do with it. I dunno, but I feel way stronger than when I tried tanking just last season ago
south zealot
slim zinc
I understand that, ive been a heals main for quite a while now actually, but wit...
The way mitigation works changed significantly since back then, mobs can't crit you anymore regardless of your stats
neon elk
No 1h specializatio ? @south zealot
modern brook
I understand that, ive been a heals main for quite a while now actually, but wit...
Sb uptime should be up basically always with relevant talents
modern brook
Dragon roar probably isn't worth 5% damage and leech + losing uf over, the bloodborne points are likely not worth it compared to +2s block, outburst, indom, rav, or sc
south zealot
No 1h specializatio ? <@413532942762246144>
not my loadout
modern brook
Oh well
solar blade
yeah this tree sucks ballsack
solar blade
oh okay
loud whale
Good thing they picked up improved heroic throw, mega dmg lol
solar blade
like as if they would use commanding shout lol
compact loom
what profs are looking the best for us in df
plush saffron
hi, its been a long time since ive been serious about tanking, and even when I w...
how are you getting 7% chance to get hit?
shadow aurora
my question was really "as a prot warrior in dragonflight running dungeons, am I going to hit a point where ignoring shield block to spam revenge is going to be the right move?
with a 5% miss chance, that would be 7-8% chance of unmitigated blow. but I dont know if miss is even stilla thing
cobalt seal
my question was really "as a prot warrior in dragonflight running dungeons, am I...
You dont ignore sb to spam revenge
And yes miss is still a thing
shadow aurora
Ok ! thats all I wanted to know. I felt like our passive mit was getting so high that even tho I suck and am mucking things up im just rolling my 15s and I was wondering whats going on
warm plinth
The problem is that you can't block 100% of the time without pressing shield block and if you don't block, you're going to feel it
strong forum
It's just that baseline warrior is alot tankier than in previous expansions
So even if you do play poorly it's not going to kill you outright
But adding mitigations together isn't a thing anymore
It's not like 50% block + 30% parry + 20% dodge = all dmg mitigated
Not to mention that you can't even get dodge as a plate tank but that's another story
fallen belfry
I understand that, ive been a heals main for quite a while now actually, but wit...
68% is pretty low. I assume you're talking about the effective mitigation on warcraftlogs? Mine was 93% on a 25 gambit yesterday.
strong forum
Game doesn't work like that anymore
tulip kelp
Is anyone gonna level to 70 as Prot?
strong forum
Ofc
tulip kelp
Quests and shit as prot? I’m kinda considering it lol
strong forum
I've always leveled as prot
Can pull much much bigger like that and solo every quest
sage fable
anyone farming Falling Flame item?
warm plinth
right?
limpid anchor
Tank is also the superior pvp spec, making leveling in war mode acceptable
strong forum
I'm not spending hours before launch grinding falling flame
Just to speed up a 4hr process down to 3.75hrs
sage fable
Im just doing it because theres nothing better to do
solar blade
my question was really "as a prot warrior in dragonflight running dungeons, am I...
i see your problem, you dont know whats on gcd and whats not
warm plinth
what even is that
sage fable
Goblin Glider + Falling Flame = turn yourself into a cannonball
strong forum
It's the meteor launch thingy
The biggest use of it is so you can get off the ship before other players
sage fable
Just to speed up a 4hr process down to 3.75hrs
I think people mostly care about the 30 second boost at the beginning when its a mass race to tag adds.
lol
strong forum
Yeah but like I said, I ain't spending hours upon hours
solar blade
naohw wf hype
strong forum
For those 30 seconds
sage fable
I spent years upon years for 30 seconds when I finally met my wife
But yes, I see your point. Only reason I'm doing it is because I'm not doing fuck all else.
sage fable
It was actually a dis on myself saying I only last 30 seconds...
strong forum
Wife = wife
sage fable
True
strong forum
Still a win
sage fable
I've been lurking for a week or so now and I've started to realize why some of the senior dudes in here get salty at people when its the same 5 questions
storm merlin
Imagine having a wife. What a simp
sage fable
I'll simp for her all day. She didn't have issues with me taking a week off and no lifing next week so I'm happy.
sage fable
Not sure why you'd nolife next week though, there's like no content
por que no los dos?
get all the toons to 70, professions knocked out, grind the M0s
lone eagle
Gotta level all your tanks
sage fable
then do it again for M+ release day
lone eagle
Doing monk, bear and warr first week
sage fable
I'm doing bear, war and the third is a toss up
lone eagle
Then clearing all M0s on them
sage fable
likewise
storm merlin
I'll probably settle for 2 characters week 1 and then level the rest whenever I feel like it
sage fable
I'm def doing guardian and warrior day 1
storm merlin
I'm doing paladin and then whatever just to have a gathering alt
jolly coral
Is there anyway to see how much expertise and hit chance you have on your character?
I'm trying to decide on which race I want my prot warrior to be, and I don't buy the line of they're all the same. Whilst I agree the difference is minimal, there is still a difference which can slightly benefit you as tank. Playing mostly PvE raids and M+. I use to main prot warrior in TBC to Cata.
Looking at alliance humans who use to be rated as the best on alliance, however I'm not sure if the sword & mace specialization still provides any benefit to increase expertise, which increases your hit rating.
warm plinth
Is there anyway to see how much expertise and hit chance you have on your charac...
there's no such thing as expertise and hit chance on retail.
jagged pier
Is there anyway to see how much expertise and hit chance you have on your charac...
oh for retail
yer they dont mean anything
and racials mean nothing
play what u like the look of the best
jolly coral
there's no such thing as expertise and hit chance on retail.
I saw it was removed at the end of Cata, thats why I'm asking how Sword & Mace specialization makes an impact
jagged pier
they dont exsist as far as im aware
warm plinth
Yeah they don't exist anymore
You gain 2% more secondaries from all sources as human
jolly coral
Cool thanks guys!
worthy haven
Is anyone else still kind of waiting for the other shoe to drop
like even if we get nerfed ill still play
but i cant believe prot has been more or less left alone
rotund thicket
does the stat block increase the chance to block or the block value?
rotund thicket
perfect, got my 311 from sylvi last night and can finally throw my 298 in the bin 😂
acoustic grotto
can you throw your 298 in my bags ?
blazing condor
hit and expertise was ass
oh boy new gear from this boss, let me just TP to org and reforge so i dont get parried
ivory briar
blazing condor
i wouldnt mind having reforging back
but it was wasted because hit/expertise was a thing
even though the difference reforging makes is near 0 i still like the illusion of min/maxing
livid osprey
What's even worse than hit and expertise is defense
No wonder they deleted it in cata, had to get def, hit and expertise as a tank so you could properly play the game
vital sinew
Need hooks to keep the dopamine more effective
vague badge
Are there any guides on which build will be played in DF M+?
stark jewel
there are pins
west axle
Hi,
I am not sure if its only me but when I try prot war on dummy, sheild block has such a long cd & its hard to keep 100% uptime
any tips or am i missing something
lyric elm
any tips or am i missing something
Well what's your talents
sick sentinel
What are you guys levelling as? Fury?
strong forum
prot
west axle
@lyric elm Its the M+ talent build from wowhead.
limpid anchor
Do you use shield slam
west axle
Yes
pallid quiver
so you use shield slam is also appropriate
man fixed that typo fast
As long as you are properly getting SS resets by using TC/spending rage on Revenge, the Heavy Repercussions part should extend your SB long enough for a charge to get off CD
radiant magnet
he's using the wowhead build? switch ITF for HR
west axle
Which build should I use for m+? I see that there some talent builds that are pinned.
strong forum
in m+ you can get away with ITF currently because of shrouded affix + haste heavy gear
pallid quiver
That one there
strong forum
the wowhead guide recommends reprisal legendary to get your SB uptimie
west axle
Thank you @pallid quiver & @strong forum I dont have that legendary so maybe thats why.
Ill take a look at the lvl 60 builds thank you
strong forum
to get your SB uptime safely you can just play heavy repercussions
without the need for anything else
pallid quiver
I'd personally recommend grabbing HR since that'll be recommended for DF, anyhow, a good portion of the time
west axle
Ok thanks all. Time to train some more on a dummy before a dungeon 😄
pallid quiver
I still swing by dummies for muscle memory purposes
radiant magnet
i hang out at target dummies cause they're smarter than most pugs
jolly granite
Do we know any exceptionally good items from raid? my guild is doing raidcouncil+bis list. in a normal case I would go shield>weapon>special trinkets. Tier cannot be on the bis list.
cobalt seal
Gl getting a weapon from raid lol
jolly granite
Gl getting a weapon from raid lol
2x weapons 2x shields what´s the problem?
limpid anchor
What’s the point of a loot council then
cobalt seal
Gl in 99% of guilds
limpid anchor
Unless you have no dh / enh
cobalt seal
Where tanks will be shit on in gear
The entire system is a huge slap on tanks
Tanks and healer were already low prio in gear
Now that guilds can say dont roll
cobalt seal
Gl getting gear from raid
cobalt seal
Just play m+
That doesnt fix anything
slim dove
any guild giving weapons to tanks over dps doesn't care about prog
empty path
Now that guilds can say dont roll
then find better guild tbh 🙂
limpid anchor
If you are in a prog guild that actually tries it’s like that tho
cobalt seal
I also dont raid
So i dont really care for myself
Doesnt change the fact its a stupid system
For tanks and healers
jade pulsar
Damage kills bosses
jade pulsar
U can always play around with externals for keeping tanks alive
Gear dont matter as much for us
slim dove
healing in legion I got maybe 1-2 pieces of loot before we had the content on farm
0 issues
got most of my shit from m+
cobalt seal
Gear dont matter as much for us
Bullshit
Thats a dps talk
Because i need gear for my dps
Cant lose to tank
jade pulsar
Lol no
I mean, ofc it depends on what level ur guild is playing at.
Look at what the guilds that try how they give out gear, they do that for a reason
cobalt seal
And that reason is stupid
At a certain point
Giving gear on the tank
Is better
Than simply deprive them from anything
Til dps dont need shit
jade pulsar
Ofc, if theres some insane tank buster, but timing externals will always trump gear
slim dove
you dont raid, so im not sure why your talking at all tbh
ionic breach
I mean
cobalt seal
Lets use pwar as example
jade pulsar
you dont raid, so im not sure why your talking at all tbh
Oh that explains it xD
cobalt seal
On jailer
cobalt seal
you dont raid, so im not sure why your talking at all tbh
Coaches dont play
I dont know why they talk to players
jolly granite
in a normal guild you spread gear evenly to keep everyone in the boat
sure WF and top 100 give it to dps but the others...
slim dove
in a normal guild you have retards there simply to be on the loot treadmill
you have to feed them purple candies to keep them interested
lyric elm
Yes so spreading it mitigates the risk when they leave or no-show or whatever
slim dove
which is why loot-council and bis lists are usually reserved for prog based guilds.
if you're just raiding to get shiny pieces of loot, don't join a prog based guild.
ornate thunder
The prob is guilds that take 7 months to get ce think they are progression based guilds, lol
ionic breach
ultimately the primary concern of any loot distribution method is to minimize drama
limpid anchor
You know what’s the bigger shit? If you play active m+ and so you don’t get raid loot bcs it’s a “better” upgrade for those that only raid log. That pissed me off more than anything else
ionic breach
if handing it out in the way most mathematically optimized to progress causes no drama, you'll progress faster
mellow quartz
ultimately the primary concern of any loot distribution method is to minimize dr...
Not for any guilds I have ever been in.
It’s to maximize the chance of clearing the raid.
limpid anchor
But raids are free
ionic breach
see my second note on it
lyric elm
If you have sensible people hehe
You'd be surprised at the amount of people not interested in clearing the raid, if you asked
half of them won't be honest of course
cobalt seal
The literally issue is tanks not even getting scraps
mellow quartz
see my second note on it
If you play world top 1000+ maybe
cobalt seal
Nowadays they get loot if it drops for them
In df gl with that
You want loot
Go do m+
If you dont like m+
Unlucky
ornate thunder
Honestly for me the loot farm is the worst part of organized raiding. I have zero interest in gearing outside clearing and have trouble finding groups in the two day a week model that have similar interests.
I don't want to farm for months after, I don't give a crap outside achievement based prog, and that's just not available generally in that model
it's been the same way since vanilla
once they killed class set appearances, it killed my interest even more
lyric elm
Loot is just nerfing the content and difficulty, ultimately
mellow quartz
Still have a hard time remembering how we did 40 man raids on shitty connections back in vanilla.
grizzled nova
Still have a hard time remembering how we did 40 man raids on shitty connections...
content was easy af
ornate thunder
Exactly, but most people are happy to just get CE before the next tier (Maybe) and farm the same shit over and over. I wish there was a better way to find guilds with the same interests, they just aren't that accessible. I struggle at the start of every xpac with it. Stick around in what feels a very casual guild that has no interests outside farming the same crap over and over, or go roll the dice trying to find a new spot some place and hope they actually have the motivations they list in their ad
slim dove
Still have a hard time remembering how we did 40 man raids on shitty connections...
1-2 boss mechanics and nearly non-existent timers
mellow quartz
content was easy af
Problem was it wasn’t easy at the time cause most people didn’t have 20 years of wow encounter design experience
ornate thunder
I don't remember there being so much instability back in mc the first time, but I was in a college town with great internet for the time
mellow quartz
And most people died to lag and shitty ass connections
limpid anchor
Never got why people farm the raid. Maybe until everyone got the mount but that’s it
Gear is so useless
ornate thunder
That's why you have your ooc shaman res bot
mellow quartz
Blizzards server infrastructure couldn’t handle that boss with the plus and minus charges in original Nax for months until they upgraded it.
slim dove
Never got why people farm the raid. Maybe until everyone got the mount but that’...
trinkets usually better than m+ and aid in next tier prog, mount sell runs, tier set bonuses useful for next prog, keeping the raid together and consistent.
grizzled nova
Problem was it wasn’t easy at the time cause most people didn’t have 20 years of...
yeah thats why people still struggled with it, but they still managed because at the end of the day everything before mop was easy af
limpid anchor
Tier sets you usually have before clear, sell run yea, keeping the raid together? Rather not
grizzled nova
maybe a heroic ragnaros exception
slim dove
Tier sets you usually have before clear, sell run yea, keeping the raid together...
you can't clear a raid then tell everyone "alright, see you in 6 months guys!"
mellow quartz
yeah thats why people still struggled with it, but they still managed because at...
How many people cleared 40 man Nax in Vanilla? Not many.
slim dove
you wouldn't have a team when the next raid dropped.
ornate thunder
That's only true for groups that only have interest in raids
slim dove
also, maybe im unique, but i genuinely enjoyed playing the game with my raid team
ornate thunder
When you clear some people want to push io, or pvp
limpid anchor
Or equip alts, that’s fine as well
grave crane
I Just enjoy raiding with the boys its a good time
ornate thunder
If the release cycle was shortened it would solve a lot of the issues
slim dove
we did that + raid
2-3 hours/week to clear farm content and the rest on pvp/m+ with the boys
ornate thunder
that's ideal
Most two day a week guilds can't do it
which is like what 90% of the guilds available
slim dove
bro
get this concept
it brings the raid together to socialize and mingle
some gear is always still needed up until the very end
limpid anchor
Yes so does other content that’s more fun (at least for some)
slim dove
no other content brings all 20 players together.
ornate thunder
It brings the raid together to hate each other for not remembering how to do mechanics on bosses you killed a month ago
slim dove
well, 24ish, we swapped the bench in for last boss
ornate thunder
lol
limpid anchor
I rather spent the few hours I have to play in a content that’s fun and not in a raid that’s boring af