Then invite a better warlock and stop trolling
#protection
storm merlin
chilly brook
I’ve never understood why people settle for bad warlocks
Like I get they bring a ton of things to the raid
But they also are like top 5 dps every tier
I swear warlock has less expectations than tanks do for performance
Also Doggo @modern brook
storm merlin
Show up to raid first, summon people, give HS, soulstone healer, here's your free raidspot for the patch
chilly brook
storm merlin
but no feet
chilly brook
storm merlin
That is a sock, not a foot
chilly brook
Foot is in the sock
storm merlin
But I can't see foot, so no point
chilly brook
She’s knocked the fuck out
cursive prawn
I’ve never understood why people settle for bad warlocks
In my previous guild, we had a very special lock...
modern brook
But I can't see foot, so no point
its better to have something for the imagination 🙂
cursive prawn
This was in s3, when lock was blasting and arms was dog tier
Was like that every boss kill
Pretty sure he was blackmailing the officers or something
modern brook
I'm not going to say anyones WRONG im just saying theres a lot of people here not playing lock for their free CE every teir
prisma crane
quick question, anyone know the macro to cast something at your feet? like ravager for example? (dont worry, its not for me, i wouldnt want to lock ravager to my feet)
sturdy sable
This was in s3, when lock was blasting and arms was dog tier
Yeah we can tell by the arms warrior getting an 80 doing the same damage as a lock getting a 34
prisma crane
so just like /cast Ravager [@heavy mirage]
?
and it'll go straight to your own feet?
ok thanks!
5Head
thanks man
blazing condor
i was just about to get frustrated over locking ravager to your feet
then i saw the original message lol
pallid quiver
i have a macro for both ravager at feet and cursor
blazing condor
yeah im here
pallid quiver
if it pops up while already having mobs clumped/in ST and you have it, very nice
can just slap feet macro
fickle ingot
You don’t look like kungen…
pallid quiver
well they do say the camera adds 20 lbs
blazing condor
the attempt on my life has left me scarred and disfigured
prisma crane
if it pops up while already having mobs clumped/in ST and you have it, very nice
oh for sure, i just prefer not to macro much together in general, i prefer the control, but having a modifier macro for it wouldnt be bad
i just have a friend that clicks a lot of stuff still so having it @ feet is helpful for them to not have to move their cursor around so much
ebon wren
prefer @cursor macros, it's usually at my feet already
vernal vale
I started being in charge of windfury group so I get it now lol
prisma crane
prefer @cursor macros, it's usually at my feet already
for sure, but that's also because you use keybinds
which is obviously better
pallid quiver
my cursor's normally hovering over enemy nameplates, so it's faster on demand to have an player macro; it also sometimes helps with not having ravage ascend to the heavens
that being said, sometimes to footsies macro causes it to ascend to the heavens
sometimes it's just not meant to be
prisma crane
blizz still really needs to work on environment obstructions
looking at you all rooms with 100 flags in them
outer thorn
When im halfway levelling through Dragonflight my camera will still be stuck somewhere in sanguine depths
uneven mason
When im halfway levelling through Dragonflight my camera will still be stuck som...
It's funny because it's true
rich lake
You don’t look like kungen…
Hi Chadgar
ocean yoke
looking at you all rooms with 100 flags in them
Nothing better than turning ravager into a fancy ceiling fan
prisma crane
lol quite true
crude glen
when playing reprisal in ST, are you supposed to run away from the boss to charge?
crude glen
so rephrase if the hitbox is too small to not drop melee range
to you still run out to charge
or no
prisma crane
often you can just step a quick step back and it's far enough
prisma crane
its simple, do it when you can
if dropping melee range fucks other things up like positioning, then you dont do it
radiant magnet
Beta - Shield Charge is on GCD now
lone eagle
is it?
radiant magnet
yep
radiant magnet
didnt see it in datamined notes, but just tested it
lone eagle
That or my mechagnome arcane mage I'm leveling right now
Diapermagic
Originally in the ancient days of yore
Shield Charge replaced Shield Block in Gladiator stance IIRC
Was it off the GCD then?
pallid quiver
i thought they learned that taking things off the GCD is unfun D:
fast knot
Hope that's either potentially a feedback situation and gets reverted or an accident
flowed pretty nicely from testing
radiant magnet
dunno. just relogged, reset my talents, tested again
@strong forum current Beta - Shield Charge is on GCD now
grave crane
That’s cringe af
radiant magnet
maybe it doesnt make it to release. dunno.
I literally thought I missed the key press. Tried to click it again and saw the GCD refresh thing spinning.
tested on dummies to confirm after that
also tested w/ and w/o Battering Ram
vestal moat
cant log in on live ugh
mighty valley
it was honestly surprising to me that it was off gcd at all
mellow quartz
It’s a 1 button stun, sb and revenge
Damn they nerfed the huge SR on the 2nd boss in Shadowmoon in half (not sure if it’s still reflectable)
pallid quiver
It should probably be on the GCD, especially if Demo Shout is,
but it's so much funner with it off
urban portal
Demo shout should be off gcd
chrome falcon
^^^^^^^^
grave crane
We’ll SC is on gcd as part of a nerf so I doubt they’ll put Demo shout off gcd
young sphinx
Is SC on GCD a big nerf?
grave crane
Huge nerf were now the worst tank in the game
torn gust
good thing i also mane vengance
median timber
eager lodge
Aren't we like middle of the pack when it comes to damage?
grave crane
Sc nerf. Tc nerf revenge nerf, better tell dratnos soo he can put us on the bottom of his tier list
sand pebble
let it be knows that pwar doa now so 'the meta club' all roll vdh
young sphinx
Oh No...youve convinced me...Ill never play Prot Warrior EVER
grave crane
Gonna pop over to the vengeance disc and start asking questions
rich lake
If you are reading this and want to play FOTM tank in Dragonflight, play Guardian Druid
sand pebble
If you are reading this and want to play FOTM tank in Dragonflight, play Guardia...
agree
grave crane
Don’t play any FOTM just figure out what class you enjoy and play that tbh
young sphinx
Well it was honestly between Prot Paladin and Prot Warrior
I really like the fast paced play style of Prot Warrior
xD
grave crane
Prot feels slower in DF than SL tbh
S3 and 4 we were fucking sprinting now we jogging
tawny rose
I might be coping but it doesnt feel like a huge deal, especially considering were picking up some huge damage abilities between 60 and 70. Like I'm trying to think if any other tank is picking up as impactful things for damage between 60 and 70 as we are with dragon roar, ravager and shield charge
rich lake
I might be coping but it doesnt feel like a huge deal, especially considering we...
Actually based
mortal brook
Hello @strong forum i see the beta has slight changes for the spec. Probably hasnt been enough time to check those changes and the patch wont go live for 3 weeks, and the [item, talent, tier, tooltip, ability tuning, loadout, encounter] might not be testable yet but can i get immediate and urgent updates on how this will surely shift my talent, playstyle, and meta choices? Also please include how i should feel as well. TY in advance
lavish oracle
S3 and 4 we were fucking sprinting now we jogging
I think thats just haste from gear
We're still like 70+ CPM in DF
solid glen
I mean... going from 45% to 42.75% for revenge and 46.2% to 41.58% for TC isn't that big of a nerf
forest rivet
one might say it's 10%
sand pebble
Hello <@192743144276623360> i see the beta has slight changes for the spec. Pro...
legit nothing changes at all you just do slightly less revenge and tc damage
lavish oracle
Pretty reasonable nerfs, we'll be fine
real fossil
It’s 5% for revenge and 10% for tc
severe hatch
On the bright side it seems like they must be happy with where Pwarr is, because this is surely no more than a percent or two dps nerf
pure wolf
@mortal brook bear hopium check
mortal brook
<@151073532904734720> bear hopium check
no
pure wolf
severe hatch
I think Ppaladin can be lumped in with bear at this point
pallid quiver
literally unplayable now, i gotta march on to the forums to complain and inform blizzard of my intent to no longer play DF
agile elbow
It's fine, just play the backup VDH. Kek.
pallid quiver
On a non-shitpost note, I'll fuckin' die before I play DH
if they nerf every non-DH tank out of the game, I'm not tanking
grave crane
I think thats just haste from gear
Nah I think it was a combo of haste and our rage gen from double leggos
noble spindle
I mean... going from 45% to 42.75% for revenge and 46.2% to 41.58% for TC isn't ...
the "big thing" is the gdc on SC
mellow quartz
Looking at some keys for HOV and AA on beta it would be abt a 2-3% damage nerf to overall.
And those are 2 of the heavier aoe dungeons
Even less in say Shadowmoon or Temple I would think.
misty moth
if they nerf every non-DH tank out of the game, I'm not tanking
Not trying to say you're wrong or anything, just like to hear people's perspectives. Why do you feel that way?
pallid quiver
Not trying to say you're wrong or anything, just like to hear people's perspecti...
i hate the aesthetic
mellow quartz
This change is nothing more than a tiny tiny tuning
pallid quiver
i ain't gonna play a character i don't wanna play
chrome falcon
i don't think it's a confusing statement lol luerce isn't saying that's happened here
tawny rose
I did not like the kite meta in season 1, and thats what I personally associate with dh tanks now, and thats no bueno
chrome falcon
they're just saying if we lived in some bizarre hypothetical world where DH is the only viable tank
they wouldn't play DH
cobalt seal
they're just saying *if* we lived in some bizarre hypothetical world where DH is...
That wont happen
rich lake
Vengeance is sick
cobalt seal
Neither did in s1 of sl
chrome falcon
WOW CRO I DIDN'T REALISE
IF ONLY I HAD SAID
"IF WE LIVED IN SOME BIZARRE HYPOTHETICAL WORLD"
pallid quiver
^^^
chrome falcon
TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT THAT WON'T HAPPEN
mellow quartz
It’s maybe a 1.5% on ST
real fossil
Pretty minor…. Should mean not much more in the way of changes
I can only imagine the pvp community of sheild charge were off GCD
noble spindle
let us have it off gcd abd put on gcd in bg and arenas
:^)
mellow quartz
Makes sense to be on the gcd in general with how much it does for 1 button.
noble spindle
mortal brook
F for Fun!
lucid robin
41.58% Attack power on Thunderclap? FUN MURDER.
pallid quiver
worse, U tier, can't press demo shout or shield charge off GCD? smh i have to live the life of suffering
whatever will i do with my 100% shield block uptime, constant rage gen, and pumping SS outbursts?
loud patrol
deep sluice
how look your dps in single target ? i can't do more than 5-6k
mortal brook
once you hit max level youll start doing more
mighty egret
LOL
patent osprey
blizzard is so lost @_@
Prot warrior is a problem, they live forever... Alright let's nerf their dmg and make their gameplay a bit slower with SC. ???
deep sluice
once you hit max level youll start doing more
im 60 already and 289 ilvl
something go wrong
i can do a lots in trash but in raid i suck as fuck
mortal brook
yes. give logs for targeted feedback
agile elbow
What happened to TC other than the dmg nerf?
noble spindle
nothing
mellow quartz
blizzard is so lost @_@
Prot warrior is a problem, they live forever... Alright ...
If all they could come up with is a 2-3% nerf to our overall then that’s a win.
noble spindle
maybe they are doing that cause of the tier +Brutal Vitality synergy?
its something
mellow quartz
That makes no sense
You probably also mean tier and BV but that also doesn’t change anything.
naive sinew
alright whose playing brew?
noble spindle
yeah brutal vitality
fickle ingot
Rather eat my toenails than play brew
agile elbow
brew got hella button bloat
mellow quartz
Someone go test if we now only TC over SS on 5 and 7 targets respectively instead of 4 and 6
noble spindle
You probably also mean tier and BV but that also doesn’t change anything.
ye but i see no other reason why they nerfed the aoe a little
heavy glen
Are we now officially below DH tanks?
oak echo
having not played beta, i actually can't even believe SC was off the GCD to begin with
mellow quartz
ye but i see no other reason why they nerfed the aoe a little
So we do less damage if they think we do more aoe than their targets
oak echo
that's kinda wild for how good it is
heavy glen
Or is it just a matter of time till DH gets a nerf bat?
cinder python
Should I reroll guardian guys?
mellow quartz
Should have done that already
errant oriole
Why did shield charge have to go on global? Lol
ocean parcel
Why did shield charge have to go on global? Lol
because it is stun
stun with high amount of damage
errant oriole
Oh ok makes sense
odd tree
Omg, nerfs, are we still viable?!?!? /s
odd tree
Should I reroll guardian guys?
Yes, there's no chance we're still viable
prisma crane
because it is stun
fucking pvp ruining it for us
CCs in general shouldnt be on GCD for PvE
odd tree
Idk, does an f ton of dmg too
ebon wren
rerolling a bear
odd tree
Good, we're F tier for sure
leaden imp
Hi, this is the noobiest of noob questions but: when will i go under 90%hp? Is m+ going to teach me a huge lesson or what’s going on ? Are prot warriors just that strong atm?
copper sorrel
M+ scales infinitely, so at some point yeah you'll find a challenge.
leaden imp
Just rolled my first tank today and it seems so easy, nothign does any damage and i can kill mobs relatively quickly, just seems so weird having been a dps player for the past 10+ years
wanton bridge
rerolling a bear
As a bear main probably re-rolling, this hurt me on a personal level
odd tree
It's prepatch and prots pretty beefy
prisma crane
Just rolled my first tank today and it seems so easy, nothign does any damage an...
i mean leveling as a tank is easier than anything, and that continues through all trivial content
copper sorrel
For sure, you'll have an easy time of it. Once you get to current outdoor content killing can be a little slow; but is more than made up for by the fact that you can pull all of it and just grind it all down at once.
ebon wren
with covenant loss with DF, our tankyness should drop quite a bit.
leaden imp
Yeah, currently doing the legendary belt line in ZM and so far it’s been a breeze. How hectic is the playstyle one mobs start to actually hit?
ebon wren
I mean all should, but wars I think in particular are going to feel the loss
odd tree
I've heard that isn't the case in beta
prisma crane
its not that we're weak by any means
just that banner is very powerful
and we're currently end of xpac secondaries
so the relative tankiness is going to drop is all
mellow quartz
Took them long enough to nerf those 🐝 in AA
oblique garnet
Warrior just has good talents that work well with the toolkit so losing banner wont be a big deal for tankiness
modern brook
@chilly brook paying you back
chilly brook
<@133532617940140032> paying you back
PUPPERS
old sinew
Some nutty nerfs to many dungeons
the giga nerf to stormslam
went to town on several tank busters it seems like
slow token
Damn. Warriors nerfed to the ground. Time to go bear
mighty valley
unplayable
feral sapphire
Is thunderclap generating zero rage a tooltip error on that blue post?
mortal brook
my man if tclap started generating no rage that would be what the post is about
feral sapphire
i was pretty sure that was the case
mortal brook
and the discord would be on fire
west inlet
still generates on the beta
mellow quartz
Now that would have been huge but also make 0 sense as you would be left with 1 generator and 2 overlapping spenders lol
The datamined tooltips for TC can be completely ignored.
It’s the same every time they post it. There is another modifier giving prot the 5 rage gen not shown in the wowhead tooltip.
slow token
Is that ignore main tracker that is pinned on here giving anyoine else errors? Just started today
knotty idol
Do we have any stuns that aren't on gcd now? Shield charge was so good for stoping unkickable casts from mobs :/
chrome falcon
war stomp 🙂
mighty valley
hmm maybe a spec that's already seen as busted didn't necessarily need an insta off gcd 4s stun + burst damage aoe button
astral crystal
prot nerfs it's over
😏
shield charge on gcd kinda cringe tbh but it fits with demo being on the gcd
toxic geyser
shield charge on gcd kinda cringe tbh but it fits with demo being on the gcd
Honestly, I never noticed it was off, kind of just assumed it always was
astral crystal
yeah it doesn't make that much of a difference tbh
im glad tankiness hasn't been hit
toxic geyser
Quick question: what is the ‘cap’ for SB duration, not including stuff like bolster/SC. As in how high can we stack SB before we get diminishing returns on hard casting it?
astral crystal
23 secs is the max i think
chrome falcon
Quick question: what is the ‘cap’ for SB duration, not including stuff like bols...
what do you mean "not including stuff like bolster/SC"
those add to SB duration
pallid quiver
there's also, uh, no diminishing returns, only a hard cap
which depends on if you have enduring or not
iirc it's 24 with enduring, 18 without
toxic geyser
what do you mean "not including stuff like bolster/SC"
They ignore the DR tho I just wanted to know the 3 x base
Ty
toxic geyser
Dr is the wrong word. If you have 20 secs of SB and hit SB again it gives less duration
But bolster ignores that and goes over 24 secs
I wanted to know about only SB
pallid quiver
iirc it's 24 with enduring, 18 without
it's
it's still this
it is a hard cap of 3x SB duration
so 24 seconds with enduring, 18 without
chrome falcon
i may be wrong but i believe that bolster does actually go over
pallid quiver
if you press SB while at 23 seconds, you get 1 second of SB
chrome falcon
i'm not sure because i never play with it
pallid quiver
Bolster I think does, yeah, since it goes through LS duration first
I don't think Shield Charge with Bulwark goes over
I'd wager it's due to it being tied to LS duration, but I ain't no nerd to know
urban portal
I'd wager it's due to it being tied to LS duration, but I ain't no nerd to know
it wasnt tied to LS duration in shadowlands
venthyr leggo used to extend last stand
but it iddnt extend bolster
sick sentinel
Codex sucks on warrior i assume?
ebon wren
pointless
pallid quiver
I mean more like on a coding end in that it does math with LS before anything else, but that's real nitpicking
i dunno enough, anyhow
press sb slap ss
me get 100% uptime
neon fossil
How are pwar getting nerfs where VDH isnt!
upper tinsel
How much impact the passive mitigation from High mountain race has ? what % overall if anyone knows
neon fossil
Not even worth considering
upper tinsel
ty !
neon fossil
But to answer your question..
Reduces damage taken by (Stamina * 0.0003 * 20)
peak jackal
This «nerf» what will it be like 1-2% overall😅?
neon fossil
This «nerf» what will it be like 1-2% overall😅?
Yea, but my point still stands! Blizz need to wake the fuck up and look at vengeance!
ionic fern
What nerf?
neon fossil
Some minor dps nerfs and shield charge tweak to teh GCD
ionic fern
peak jackal
@neon fossil thats coming
neon fossil
<@143850139067482112> thats coming
Yea it better be! But it's typical blizz, always focusing on the warrior right at the start of an expansion release and then nerf us into the ground!
ionic fern
Wild take.
ionic fern
Yes...
peak jackal
And is it overperforming that much compared to vdh?
ionic fern
Idk, i tried prot, diddn't care for VDH.
slender quest
Thats not the ground
ionic fern
The "nerfs" are minor. Who cares.
Just number tunings.
More than likely every class will get some.
slender quest
Druid is on the ground 😆
peak jackal
Ye but this guy is afraid «it will gets nerfed to the ground» thats why i ask how it is without 4pc
pallid quiver
i mean shield charge to GCD ain't just number tuning, but it didn't make sense for it to be oGCD, even though it was much funner off it
ionic fern
Ye but this guy is afraid «it will gets nerfed to the ground» thats why i ask ho...
Still strong. 🤷
pallid quiver
unless it is just number tuning and i'm way outta the loop on how we talk about things
i dunno i'm stoopid
peak jackal
neon fossil
i mean shield charge to GCD ain't just number tuning, but it didn't make sense f...
My point isn't that they are slight number tuning, it's the fact that they got their fucking eyes on us when they should be elsewhere.
urban portal
Spell block is good if the dungeon allows it to be good
sick sentinel
yea
pallid quiver
im just gonna quote mwahi here to do my arguing for me:
"The "nerfs" are minor. Who cares.
Just number tunings.
More than likely every class will get some."
peak jackal
Evoker
limpid anchor
Hello is prot still viable
neon fossil
Hello is prot still viable
damn right it is
limpid anchor
But tbh, I played all tanks on beta except bear and yea, vdh is insane
So they prob tune every tank a bit
peak jackal
sick sentinel
if anything, the fact that pwars nerfs are so "delicate" is indicative of blizzard making pwar the bdk of next season
look at enhance
thats when you know blizz dont care about a spec
peak jackal
fast knot
They were shitcanning most of the other dps by about a Detroit mile
sick sentinel
so were survival and destro
blizz basically select couple of spec and make them the bis
its pretty obvious at this point
its pwar's turn
trust
limpid anchor
They were shitcanning most of the other dps by about a Detroit mile
Yes but the nerf itself is bad. Enhance has sooo many modifiers, a tweak on them would be better than a flat nerf
foggy osprey
Yea, but my point still stands! Blizz need to wake the fuck up and look at venge...
Such a strong and wrong reaction. For once there are multiple tanks in a good spot. That’s a great thing. Hope they won’t let people like you get to them and change that
sick sentinel
Such a strong and wrong reaction. For once there are multiple tanks in a good sp...
In raid yes but in keys there will always be a top 1 and every pushing team will play that one spec
quiet crane
All the tanks are very similar to eachother currently with the consensus on bear being slightly below
literally play what you want. This is an age of tanks if you wanna talk about anything they’re all stupid strong currently
slender quest
I mean its normal they tune most classes in the end. And i think most guys saw a tuning comming
quiet crane
Like stop worrying about shit weeks before it’s even due for raid mplus and tuning parses still yet to come
sick sentinel
Like stop worrying about shit weeks before it’s even due for raid mplus and tuni...
i really dont think theyre gonna do a CN unholy dk again
unless somethings stupidly broken
foggy osprey
Yeah exactly, it was 100% sure tuning would happen, so “why do they have their eyes on us” is a dumb comment, and asking for stronger nerfs on other classes in even dumber
sick sentinel
i mean they let BDK be what it was for 2 seasons
quiet crane
like just stop. Leave mwahi and shit alone to they deal with this shit daily. Like go back and read like 20 lines up whenever you come on and the shits been answered for you
Just wait
Simple as that
sick sentinel
it even got stronger in S4 because of the affix
slender quest
Becouse sl was over after s3 i tihnk
quiet crane
I can almost guarantee none of you play at a level that any of it will even matter
Play what you want and enjoy and you’re far more likely to exceed
sick sentinel
its not as exclusive as you think it is
i remember people stop taking any tank other than BDK for 25+ back in may
slender quest
Okay but the Player base for 25+ is less then 10%
foggy osprey
Exactly. It’s not about whether other tanks CAN do they key, but about the likeliness you’ll even get into it in the first place
ionic fern
Okay but the Player base for 25+ is less then 10%
More like.. ~1%. At least when looking at data from r.io 2.8k is top 1%. And that's roughly 25's.
quiet crane
if you get a team at that level tho you don’t need a BDK you have never needed a BDK exclusively for over 25s
You could have done it as any tank
sick sentinel
sure as hell be alot easier to do it with a BDK
quiet crane
25s and what not are not a high enough level that this one tank is going to break or miss
sick sentinel
thats like saying if youre the top 3 feral in S4 you can still get 3.1K but then like
quiet crane
honestly at that level no
any tank easily thrashed that level of key
came down to the player not the class
sick sentinel
yea but then unless you find a team to just do 26 27
idk i think you find a team to push as high as you can
thats when you reroll bdk
or pwar next season
masterrace unite
im honestly fine with blizz doing this take turn thing
twilit lagoon
anything over that you need a team
No you don’t
twilit lagoon
idk about rn but in like august
You also could pug 25s
sick sentinel
yes you could
thats what i did
on brm
and then people started asking me to play ww
twilit lagoon
So what?
sick sentinel
ionic fern
And then you tell them "No thank you".
sick sentinel
and then i just stopped doing keys lol
twilit lagoon
That’s the reason why you say you can’t pug 25s? 😂
sick sentinel
huh
i said 25 is around the level of pug
over that youre lucky to get in one if you were not bdk
extremely lucky
also during push weeks most high keys arent even in pug ques
they just do it with a team anyway
sick sentinel
for real tho i get conspiracy theory with this shit
you can tell if blizz have man power on each spec by looking at balance changes
-25% damage over all = they have janitors designing that class
what war had today means war will be good
also the amount of place holder talent icon in BDK tree means
its gonna suck
limpid anchor
bdk is realy good tho
sick sentinel
damage sucks is what i heard
jagged pier
Bdk is really good
limpid anchor
if you suck yes
jagged pier
No
limpid anchor
but if you play good, the dmg is good
jagged pier
Bdk damage os huge if u play correctly
sick sentinel
havent even touched it yet so idk
war is way more fun than brm
having a blast
fuck brm
limpid anchor
thats why those statements are always dangerous :D
jagged pier
Streamers and YTers are spending like 2 hours on it not understanding how it works and say its bad while the theorycrafter have like 50 hours on it are imortal and do more damage than port
limpid anchor
thats also why everyone says pwar bustedd hurrdurr
sick sentinel
as long as brm and prot pal arent the top pick im fine with everything else
even bear
toxic geyser
Has the Mana Devourer tank in corner strat been fixed? Got cussed out by a group earlier for doing it and they said it doesnt work anymore despite the majority of the orbs seemingly going straight under the bosses hitbox
rich helm
so just minor TC and revenge nerfs? we should be fine if they leave us like this, or?
pallid quiver
we're devastated, absolutely destroyed, there's no hope go to the forums and yell to the rafters how you're quitting wow forever
urban portal
-25% damage over all = they have janitors designing that class
Honestly, if the spec is fun and balanced
It doesn’t really matter how many + or - they have
Fury had a +29
That’s fine
If enh shaman is still fun and varied in play style
Who really cares
hardy ridge
-25% damage over all = they have janitors designing that class
i would agree if we were in the middle of a season but its beta dude, its normal for things to be drastically imbalanced lol and sometimes when that is the case a flat nerf is fine
mighty valley
yeah there are times for nuanced tweaks and times for broad strokes, really doesn’t mean anything about the development side
jagged pier
It's a 10% nerf to TC and 5% nerf to revenge
More sad about SC being on gcd that fucking sucks
Gunna make pull even more annoying
wooden scarab
What was SC again?
mighty valley
Shield Charge
wooden scarab
I quit the game since i got CE denathrius
Can’t recall a shield charge skill xD
Damn It has been a while huh
wooden scarab
I see
Charge with a stun ok xD
marble cipher
and with shield block, and with revenge proc
(when taking an extra talent for it)
mighty valley
it’s a charge with aoe damage and a 4s stun on the primary target
blazing condor
thats dope
marble cipher
also no minimum range, so, that's why the "off gcd" felt so nice as you could always do it
mighty valley
And since the aoe is only 10yds you usually just want to charge in first to gather
marble cipher
but I guess it was too much fun to have it off gcd 😄
blazing condor
annoying though cus idk where id bind it
mighty valley
bind it on rock band drum set foot pedal
pallid quiver
I put it where intervene used to be
blazing condor
i had intervene and charge in one
pallid quiver
since i'm not likely to pick up intervene in most case scenarios
mighty valley
You could put it on your cov button bind
marble cipher
Just bind Siri/Alexa/Google and say "Hey <insert tech>, cast Shield Charge"
jagged pier
annoying though cus idk where id bind it
Its on my devastate bind cause we never gunna actual have it back
mighty valley
Yeah talent trees lock that in
jagged pier
Should probs be on a less used keybind but meh
mighty valley
probably always? at least most of the time?
blazing condor
can you bind shift/alt/ctrl together with mouse buttons?
mighty valley
Think so
blazing condor
gonna check
in that case its gucci
cus i got charge on my shield button
and id want my shield charge to be more or less the same instead of on a keyboard button
blazing condor
yeah makes sense
mighty valley
maybe one day they’ll be cool
pallid quiver
Its on my devastate bind cause we never gunna actual have it back
i cannot unbind devastate on a moral level
jagged pier
I mean my raid build rigt now has SC and rav because they fun and doo good damage @blazing condor u can use the build for m+ as well but u loose shield spec and outburst so its a bit meh
pallid quiver
it would be ethically wrong for me to unbind it
blazing condor
i replaced my devastate button with ravager early on
okay you could bind shift with mouse buttons
jagged pier
blazing condor
rejoice
blazing condor
Devastate is the ability that became redundant when you specced into Devastator
outer solstice
devastator OP
blazing condor
aka the button you used to have devastate on
placid vale
So guys, are we still pumping after those DEVASTATING nerfs? XD
blazing condor
now i have chad Ravager on 1
jagged pier
No spec is dead
outer solstice
we always ded
jagged pier
outer solstice
and still play
placid vale
onyx vessel
outer solstice
don't attract the fotm players
jagged pier
Reroll if u care for meaningful progress
placid vale
Dont use meaningful, you will awaken Ion's true nature
jagged pier
Skill issue
placid vale
outer solstice
tbh I laughed when I've seen the nerfs xD
as if revenge and clap damage are what makes us good rn
pallid quiver
why you gotta laugh at the dead class smh
outer solstice
why you gotta laugh at the dead class smh
I'm a gnome
pallid quiver
we're all scrapping our accounts now in rage and su-
eugh
no wonder you feed on suffering
placid vale
I laughes because they only tune pwar and bear. The other 4? They dont exist for Blizzard
outer solstice
I laughes because they only tune pwar and bear. The other 4? They dont exist for...
give them time, they still have a few months,... oh wait
outer solstice
I wonder how we feel at low gear and without necro banner 😦
placid vale
Welp its fine, we can use dps trinkets since were gucci defensively, while the rest (except vdh) use defensive ones.
outer solstice
wait you didn't use offensive trinkets in shadowlands?
placid vale
I did
placid vale
But dont ask a BrM to use an offensive one with the way they get wrecked in Beta
For example
placid vale
Yep. Its funny to watch the exact moment something magic comes their way and they explode.
Like popcorn!!
outer solstice
does it make a sound?
outer solstice
placid vale
But hey, the fleeting moments theyre alive, they still have Resonant Fists
But WE get nerfed hahahaha
blazing condor
NOOOO my 3%
outer solstice
Only real nerf was the SC change.
I laughed at the nerf xD
marble cipher
Sad part about prot warrior getting hype and being "fairly" easy to optimally play, those things get on Blizz' radar way faster than for instance the crazy burst a BDK can do when played well (that takes too much practice for a blizz dev to find out about haha)
ionic fern
Yes, make us non FOTM, thank you.
outer solstice
I think DH needs a buff
I mean they already have the options to get AoE Stun, AoE Silence, Massgrip and AoE Fear
they need to be top in M+ and have the eyes on them
marble cipher
but, DH's are blind?
outer solstice
blizzard needs to see em, not they themselves
placid vale
So dmg wise? Are we like 2nd to 3rd place now?
rich lake
Guardian Druid is the best tank in Dragonflight
marble cipher
🐻
placid vale
Not bear again... XD
I should be testing stuff in Beta...been playing GoW 4 and now Ragnarok xD
mellow bridge
I mean they already have the options to get AoE Stun, AoE Silence, Massgrip and ...
You can't take misery nor chains unless you want to gimp yourself extremely hard 🙂
strong forum
So dmg wise? Are we like 2nd to 3rd place now?
We were already 3rd place
Both brm and vdh do more dmg than pwar
Even before the nerf
placid vale
We still at 3rd?
limpid anchor
We now bottom last
storm shell
We were already 3rd place
forgot prot pal
limpid anchor
Dead class
strong forum
Hard to say how much dmg pally does
But I've not seen a pally do more than a warri yet
But that's prolly cuz they were all pretty bad
limpid anchor
Did they fix all the pally talents
storm shell
there are still 35 active bugs
limpid anchor
Nice
strong forum
I guess bdk is now equal to pwar dmg
So we may be tied to 3rd place between pwar/pally/bdk
zealous willow
Are we going slowly to be the tanky immortal tank, who does no dmg 🤡
strong forum
No, we will still be able to pull 60k overalls
brittle owl
Are we going slowly to be the tanky immortal tank, who does no dmg 🤡
some people are getting fluffed thinking about that
strong forum
Tank dmg is solid across the board now I think
With just brm being the outlier positively
And bear negatively
spare orbit
Just started levelling at 50 as prot and its great i've no idea why i didnt try this sooner
nothing can kill me
very nice experience
raven hatch
so is pwarr going to be off-meta again? what's happened?
strong forum
?
Nobody can tell what'll be meta
For all we know it's between pwar/bdk/vdh
All 3 of those tanks are immortal
Vdh now has the upper hand in dmg output
That's all that changed
zealous willow
Vdh can tank dmg as warr and dk rly?
strong forum
Yes.
zealous willow
U mean with kite or they just tanky af
strong forum
A well played dh has 100% uptime on defensives
Df vdh is nothing like SL dh
It plays roughly the same, but you're much much tankier
You don't rely on meta to be able to tank
zealous willow
So they removed that paper phase out of demon form
strong forum
They now have new frailty mechanic and reworked their mastery
jagged pier
so is pwarr going to be off-meta again? what's happened?
Huge 6% nerf in aoe and a small ST nerf, and SC on gcd class dead reroll
silent comet
spec
raven hatch
yeah was listening to your podcast, and the SC off gcd sounded so fun, kinda got me hyped
silent comet
Huge 6% nerf in aoe and a small ST nerf, and SC on gcd class dead reroll
Worse than bears
raven hatch
read that now and was like oh 😦
jagged pier
Worse than bears
True actually
zealous willow
Blizz always do this , im sure some dps will get killed days before m+ and raids 😂
And i vote for unholy dk
strong forum
As blizz has stated, they will perform more frequent but smaller balance patches throughout each season
So anything can happen at any time
placid vale
Wait, vdh got their mastery reworked? What does it do now?
strong forum
Increases their armor outside of spikes
Instead of only buffing armor with spikes up
They also got a bunch of talents which just helps with mitigation uptime
And frailty rework is just massive
unkempt ingot
do you think a prot ist a good tank to start with? df is my first addon i try to start playing a tank
icy citrus
Huge 6% nerf in aoe and a small ST nerf, and SC on gcd class dead reroll
we can survive this!
jagged pier
Its far easier than it used to be so its not a bad choice still have more things to manage and is faster than other tanks but really its more on if u enjoy it or not @unkempt ingot
median tulip
How have we been nerfed, exactly?
limpid anchor
median tulip
Oh is that all?
I mean, that's terrible, clearly the FOTM rerollers should stay the hell away from us >_>
obsidian path
Prot is fotm ?
median tulip
icy citrus
I mean, TC was little bit overtuned lets admit. We liked it but was overtuned..
For revenge is just a small number nerf and i understand it as tuning towards the release.
And lastly for SC it was too good to be true oGCD, but not necessary with rotation and uptime we have.
I'll tell that this is realistic change for us even we dont like it, but better to set us correctly now rather than changing us in the mittle of the season.
limpid anchor
I don’t think anyone cares about the nerf
median tulip
It's 10% off TClap and 5% of Revenj, right?
Yeah, 46.2 * 0.9 is 41.58
and 45 * 0.95 is 42.75
maiden ravine
Given what Blizzard did to like enhancement, prot got off as light as they could for their strength on beta
unkempt ingot
Its far easier than it used to be so its not a bad choice still have more thing...
👍🏻 thanks
rich lake
At 8 stacks of Outburst do I always use SS or if aoe do I use TC?
jagged pier
If u are using UF u use it on tc at 4 targets in avatar
6 outside of avatar
Otherwise its ss
marble cipher
To be fair, as long as there's no nerf that makes prot literally dogshit, I'll always just be a prot warrior (I didn't like the SL playstyle, so gave it a break) just because the playstyle and talent setup is so much fun now. I don't care about some % nerfs here and there, there's always going to be tanks better and tanks worse than prot anyway.
Any tiny shift in talents can change the entire (stupid) youtube tier lists, and any new Season can flip it all around again anyway 🤷♂️
obsidian path
A tiny nerf is a great clickbait video that could change fotm rankings
marble cipher
Also, at least in my "friends" list, nobody cares what tank I play, as long as I play a tank, cause they don't wanna hahaha
strong forum
It's less of a nerf than I expected
I expected a 10-15% aura nerf
What we got is alot better
Its small enough to not break talent setups
But still big enough to have a slight impact to your overall
rich lake
Tier lists in shambles, Marcelian going to have to make a new video now $$$
strong forum
1 nerf I could see coming would be another nerf to vanguard
Like the only sensible things I could see coming are:
SS dmg nerf
Enduring Defenses nerfed by 0.5s or 1s
Vanguard nerf
Rend nerf
icy citrus
Given what Blizzard did to like enhancement, prot got off as light as they could...
exactly that
maiden ravine
So I'm hoping they've found the tank mark they want and they bring up bear dps to it and maybe gently nudge some squishier tanks defensives
icy citrus
Like the only sensible things I could see coming are:
SS dmg nerf
Enduring Defen...
regarding this i agree, i doubt at rend nerf because thats the thing they wanted to bring. maybe ss nerf and vanguard
placid vale
Lets hope they get the sweet spot for tanks dps, and bring everyone to that spot
maiden ravine
Last nerf I could see in a month is them nerfing the 4p or something.
pale roost
does the heal part mecha ring work for tanks?
like if i damage them with 3 abiltys do i heal peps then?
strong forum
Yes
If you get the entire group setup with the heal ring it's actually not that bad of a setup
hazy trellis
what does "fotm" stand for?
brittle owl
flavour of the month
hazy trellis
thanks
sharp carbon
wasup guys, tried to sim my char today and got this error:
sand pebble
wasup guys, tried to sim my char today and got this error:
in pins, sims are broken atm
blazing condor
Sim broke
sharp carbon
in pins, sims are broken atm
srry, missed that pin! Thank you
lone eagle
re:prot nerfs
IDK, prot nerfs were probably needed but I don't think the damage was really the nail sticking out
Seemed a bit like a misfire as far as balance concerns go
VDH damage sticks out a lot more aggressively imo, and obviously Brew Resonant Fists is nutty despite their squishiness in a lot of keys
strong forum
That's what alot of attention gets you
Pwar had the most attention from everybody
And only a few weeks later people started to realise other tanks are almost just as good
Alot of people still think prot is oppressively stronger than other tanks on beta
median tulip
Hopefully the FOTM rollers will hear "prot nerfed" and go elsewhere
lone eagle
My current prediction is VDH will win the great m+ meta race in the end
lone eagle
Because they've been dodging being touched
strong forum
Cuz of SL
lone eagle
Yeah. I've been playing VDH since they first came out as my main m+ tank except for when I came back for s3
This is the sturdiest and in control they've felt to me since ever
obsidian path
I've read devs side of things about fotm and specs being played by so many good players that they are (on average) getting better results than the 'mathematics average difference'
lone eagle
Well yeah, good tanks are usually flexible
So they'll suss out what is strongest out of the things they'll play in high end content
And then those choices trickle down
strong forum
I've read devs side of things about fotm and specs being played by so many good ...
That's why correct data evaluation is important
jagged pier
Eh thats not really correct the amount of ppl now rerilling and not playing close to correctly and doing far less damage and not even having 100% block i dont think its that accurate
lone eagle
Even if the data is relatively close
obsidian path
Example : A is better than B by 5%, but because the best are playing A then A shines even more and has 10% more instead
strong forum
That's why you don't compare specs by average performance
strong forum
That should be obv
obsidian path
By buffing B by 5% they are supposed to be equal but nobody will play B because they are shown to be 10% worde
cobalt seal
Like vdh is on pair with bdk and pwar
hard vessel
If you play some low m+, all you see is prot warriors everywhere, one worse than the other
cobalt seal
Slighty above ppala and monk overall
If pwar got nerfed
Same gonna happen to vdh likely
obsidian path
If you play some low m+, all you see is prot warriors everywhere, one worse than...
Prot wars and windwalkers
cobalt seal
And bdk gonna get buffed and be meta again
hard vessel
But isn't bdk slightly less dmg than war and vdh? Only had that impression from watching dorkis streams
lone eagle
Yeah, generally
hard vessel
And the bones got nerfed
lone eagle
Also more vulnerable to getting deleted than in SL due to lack of permanent 80% parry
Not that they are squishy
But a lot of people are traumatized by how ludicrous they were in s3/s4
strong forum
But isn't bdk slightly less dmg than war and vdh? Only had that impression from ...
Only in aoe
But also
Dorki isnt playing bdk all that well
So far I don't think a single streamer is
hard vessel
Really? Holy
jagged pier
Not many ppl are playing the specs correct cause they havent spent 50 hourslike thetheorycrafters on them
strong forum
The only good bdks who'd stream are Andy and Naowh
limpid anchor
So far I don't think a single streamer is
You could be the one!
strong forum
I ain't playing anything but pwar
hard vessel
So that's interesting thank
onyx vessel
I ain't playing anything but pwar
main vault
Why’d you let them put charge on the gcd Nom
jagged pier
☝️
main vault
Revolt, Blizz actually cares about y’all
jagged pier
Tbf we dont revolt we let this stay cause they could have done a lot worse
And we just tell the fotmers that the spec is dead so we stay under the radar
main vault
Trust me, no one believes that
hard vessel
Prot is Z tier now
main vault
Y’all need practice at this, y’all aren’t selling it well at all
Come to guardian, we will teach
strong forum
We've been under the radar all of SL
dw
Been so far under the radar that we got 3 buffs from 9.1 to 9.2
And people still didn't know about us
strong forum
You and many others
main vault
That felt Bear tier
main vault
You just hate yourself already then
strong forum
Pwar and bdk literally swapped spots from SL to DF
Now bdk is hard, unforgiving and looks bad to the general majority
Now pwar is easy, quite forgiving and looks omega strong to the general majority
hard vessel
if you intervene your melee friend in HOA into a frontal and here him crying after this , then its fun
main vault
If you have to think of single instances where it is fun, it’s not fun
hard vessel
wait bdk is hard and looks bad? only on beta or in prepatch too?
limpid heron
Would you consider pwar with the additions to the toolkit a good pug tank in a way to "carry" or iron out mistakes from bad players or is ppal still way above?
strong forum
wait bdk is hard and looks bad? only on beta or in prepatch too?
Both
main vault
Pally will always be better at that
strong forum
People scream left and right that bdk does low damage
When that's not at all the case
main vault
Every tank is broken as shit in prepatch
hard vessel
no dying no scared of dying
strong forum
Well duh that's pretty easy to achieve
cobalt seal
Thats not a bdk problem lol
strong forum
The part that makes em look bad is the unforgiving dps rotation
main vault
Basically two tanks in a single unit
If you die in prepatch you need to find another role
hard vessel
so ye i did like 10k in the first key and after a bit practice i know do like 20k in most keys with like 285 and no gavel , but thats not that hard
and still not good
strong forum
That's already more dmg than some people manage on beta 🙂
Seen some streamers pull off sub 20k dps on bdk on beta
And then call bdk shit
hard vessel
get a wa which makes some annoying sound if you are not in DND
strong forum
So yeah, that's why they get their bad rep
hard vessel
problem solved
strong forum
Pmuch yeah
main vault
Let’s be real, all tanks are fairly easy now
You have 5 choices, just pick one you like and enjoy a rushed xpac like the rest of us
strong forum
It's never hard hard, but some are harder than others
hard vessel
they have very clear difficulty differences
limpid heron
isnt overall dps closely tied to how good you are at pulling? Like knowing the exact limits of whats max to pull and using that? you could be the best player mechanically but if you only pull 3 mobs at a time your dps will always suck
strong forum
Nah
hard vessel
ye ofc but if you suck you will still dont do big dps in big pulls
strong forum
Thinking you need to pull crazy to do big damage is copium
Clear speed is a huge factor
limpid heron
ok i see
cobalt seal
Clear speed is a huge factor
Tied to button smashing
strong forum
Like, yes you'll get the biggest overalls in lower kara and gambit because there are alot of frequent big pulls
But those big pulls are enabled by the mobs also just not doing anything
If you only pull 1 pack in gambit vs pulling double/triple packs obv isn't efficient
But that'll directly impact clear speed of the dungeon aswell
In almost all dungeons you can't opt to do "small vs big pulls" cuz you're limited by mechanics
Grimrail and iron docks are the best examples
You just can't pull big there
limpid heron
so the pulls in general are often tied to encounter design and pretty similar at a certain level of play
strong forum
Yes
mellow quartz
Many places the more coordinated your group is with kicks and stuns the bigger you can pull.
limpid heron
yea and thats another factor... basically approves the point that there are so many variables in a run that comparing flat dps numbers isnt the best thing to do
mellow quartz
Take gambit, if you pull a giant with 2 murloc packs and everything just aoe’s but the giant is at 30% when all the murlocs die then a lot of that aoe would have been better used to do ST to the giant to speed up the dungeon.
strong forum
yea and thats another factor... basically approves the point that there are so m...
At the higher levels you can
Cuz routes are standardised
And especially tank dps doesn't vary with pulls
Unlike say boomkin
Where it matters where you can pop your CDs and where not
cobalt seal
Or like people think we (5 tanks) pull super big
When we generally pull the same or less
We just dont care about mechanics
For the most part
cunning salmon
Are people planning on solo leveling as prot? Will it be fast compared to the other specs?
blazing condor
im doing it and idc if its slow
but i doubt it will actually be slow
as a tank leveling you can just mega pull everything and we have strong aoe
cobalt seal
You wont notice a dif
jagged pier
No daze always lvl as tank
cobalt seal
If you play for tank str
cunning salmon
I’ll be playing prot at max but I’m trying to level as quickly as possible
Sounds good
strong forum
In df, if you have 300ilvl rn you'll global pretty much every pack until you hit max level
The mobs in the first zones have 19k hp
Outburst shield slam crits for 35k without banner
blazing condor
i got 270 ilvl rn
strong forum
You can get to 298 in close to 1 week
Get working boi
All you need is 2k score and valor
ionic fern
i got 270 ilvl rn <:gladge:963970137701109820>
Pssh, even i am 285.
unkempt ingot
do you play with addons for routes in m+ or do you look at websites?
or how to learn this thing?
ionic fern
MDT, create the route you want (or import from somewhere) - do the route..
🤷
You learn it like any other thing...do it..memorise it.
unkempt ingot
mythic dungeon tools?
grave crane
Or you just pull shit till you figure out the route
blazing condor
i always find it fun to play around in MDT
thats like half the m+ experience
try and make good routes
then eventually it just becomes stale lol
rich lake
Cos of limited time and fresh char gonna spam M+ and pug heroic raids to get like 290ish for fast levelling
strong forum
Each time before a run you always re-check and evaluate the route
Every single time
You rarely ever just send it
uneven mason
or how to learn this thing?
You do, you fail, you do again until no fail
ionic fern
Each time before a run you always re-check and evaluate the route
That's like the opposite of me. 😂
uneven mason
I just want to truck through the instance without needing 3 addon and a perfect trash % because idk last time I pugged trying to do optimized skips just cost more time
M+ should be about execution of fights not gimmic Skips, least enjoyable part of dungeons
maiden ravine
At least for season 4 and DF season 1 routing will be minimal
strong forum
Hold w
Dungeon are extremely linear so you won't see a lot of room for innovation until maybe MDI
unkempt ingot
with a fresh 60 and 1. time tanking boomer, where should i start with +keys?
wide pilot
are ppl happy with that? seems like it would be fine since the dungeons are being rotated every season...sort of nice not having to learn a bunch of routes for just a season
rich lake
with a fresh 60 and 1. time tanking boomer, where should i start with +keys?
Get a +2 keystone from guy near vault and get started
unkempt ingot
i have so much respect for tanks managing so much more than any dd
so im very insecure but go for it looks like the way it has to be
rich lake
Keep shieldblock up close to 100% as possible, use avatar with Unstoppable force on CD to maximise damage, use shield slam at 8 stacks of outburst
Rage dump prio > Ignore Pain > Revenge > Execute
wide pilot
for pre-patch if we are only doing 15-20 keys is there any changes that could be made to the tree on wowhead to push out some more dps?
jagged pier
uneven mason
for pre-patch if we are only doing 15-20 keys is there any changes that could be...
Nom makes gud tree for slapping
wide pilot
my bad it was really far down haha
blazing condor
for like 95% of players doing m+ you can just hold W
you will get the right amount of % and time it
granted you have appropriate gear for the key
like no matter key level
cus yall aint doing top keys
wild hemlock
god i love tanks but i hate the planning people expect us to do
Nah, my G. im here to hold W also. why do i need to know every route and percent from every mob
edgy belfry
^ addons and weakauras help a lot with that
blazing condor
i hate the fact that when i played with pre mades they gave no shits about the route
its not just our responsibility to know how a dungeon works
wild hemlock
^ addons and weakauras help a lot with that
that will notmake me want to learn that shit lol
tanks are fun. thats it
sterile rapids
its not just our responsibility to know how a dungeon works
Seriously. The amount of times I'd play with people who said they'd done a really nice route with a pug or higher group, and when I asked them to show me what it was, the response was "Oh, I didn't pay attention to that". OKAY, GREAT, THANKS.
obsidian path
I hate the 'route' part. Some like it but I don't
At least it's not as important as it used to be, like S1
uneven mason
Seriously. The amount of times I'd play with people who said they'd done a real...
"Hey I had this one tank that had this amazing rout that we did and we +3d it"
K, send me it for MDT.
"Oh I don't have that, but my paid carry probably does!"
sterile rapids
Exactly!
outer solstice
are there any fun talent combinations for prepatch I should toy around a bit on live?
I really like playing with the big shockwave xD
oak echo
toy around with all of them, that's the point of prepatch
outer solstice
yeah anythign fun you tried?
I tested em all out, want to hear what talents y'all like especially
oak echo
i haven't personally. all the good stuff is gonna be at 70 when we actually have the rest of the points
outer solstice
like bloodborne + thunderour roar and stuff like that
btw anyone knows why I can't put a socket on these bracers?
drowsy loom
whats up ppl, just joined the group looking for tips. what's the def cap I should be looking for 540?
obsidian path
whats up ppl, just joined the group looking for tips. what's the def cap I shoul...
Not the wotlk channel here
deep spruce
Wotlk kek
outer solstice
540? def cap? sounds like old stuff
blazing condor
outer solstice
it's retail, you are looking for #mop-discussion
oblique garnet
whats up ppl, just joined the group looking for tips. what's the def cap I shoul...
540 for raid yes
outer thorn
540 for raid yes
How many sunder stacks before I can tell dps to start attacking?
oblique garnet
Idk thats rogue job
oak echo
what about it. very small nerfs
mellow quartz
She is a streamer
jagged pier
i mean makes sense
oblique garnet
Pvp
oak echo
because it's a ridiculously strong ability
jagged pier
all other charge abilities are on the gcd
oak echo
it should be on the gcd
mellow quartz
Cause it’s a stun/charge/sb/aoe damage/revenge cast all in 1 button
oblique garnet
all other charge abilities are on the gcd
lusty tiger
Ok so
lusty tiger
This didn’t seem warranted but I’ve been not looking at much the past 2 weeks
They must be scared of s2 or high end s1 gear to do that
mellow quartz
And the rest is like a 2-3% nerf to overall
oak echo
it also does make sense from a pvp perspective - hadn't really thought of that. but regardless there is no reason for it to be not on the gcd
lusty tiger
Yeah because prot warrior is so popular in pvp
mellow quartz
It makes sense from a pve perspective as well
lusty tiger
This would be all chill if they also took demo off gcd
uneven mason
It's a DMG ability that stuns and slaps
strong forum
It's perfectly expectable that isn't not off gcd
strong forum
This would be all chill if they also took demo off gcd
That is true
strong forum
Demo makes no sense to be on GCD
Cuz defensives shouldn't be, blizz said so themselves
uneven mason
Demo doesn't make sense on GCD anymore
strong forum
But bubble, iceblock and wog all are on GCD cuz fuck you
uneven mason
It's only there because of how tied it was too bv
uneven mason
But bubble, iceblock and wog all are on GCD cuz fuck you
Wog isn't a self CD only though
Immunities should trigger your potion CD for their entire cd
strong forum
Nah but it makes no sense for prot pally to have it on GCD
mellow quartz
Still waiting for DS to be taken off the gcd.
uneven mason
Nah but it makes no sense for prot pally to have it on GCD
If it was self only, or if sotr was put in gcd instead
oblique garnet
Nah but it makes no sense for prot pally to have it on GCD
Wog being gcd makes alot of sense
jagged pier
never again please
outer solstice
I mean you can still shield charge during charge 😛 if you like
uneven mason
It's like IP being on gcd
Is it though, IP is a chain able mitigation supplement, wog was basically a free loh, and let's not kid ourselves they're going to rebuff it back to that level, they always do
It always ends up as a complete heal
oblique garnet
If it was not on gcd it would be even more retarded
hollow token
As much of a wet noodle as it is right now, it should be free.
In fact, it should just cast itself.
In Dragonflight, WoG casts you
uneven mason
In fact, it should just cast itself.
New talent "you think you do" triggers wog at 10% health automatically but gives forbearance because, stop crying you bloated utility bag.
But without utility who would bring a paladin
outer solstice
pooly played they are paperbags