protection

[jagged pier]

make 0 sense cause u still do tank damage in bstance

[oblique garnet]

Dstance

[spiral compass]

@jagged pier i don’t know if i read it right you said banner will have no use in dragon flight? again i could of misread

[lusty grotto]

whats that

my dude?

[oblique garnet]

Yeah you cant have banner in DF

[lusty grotto]

what is banner

[jagged pier]

banners not even in DF

[lusty grotto]

its a covenant ability is it not?

[spiral compass]

thank you @jagged pier @oblique garnet

[mellow quartz]

that was funny lol

[lusty grotto]

that should answer your question by itself

[mellow quartz]

why does this SL ability that is not in DF have no use in DF

[spiral compass]

i thought they made it a talent my bad

[lusty grotto]

oh lol

[spiral compass]

thank you

[lucid robin]

I read the wowhead guide, but I'm warrior 101. If I'm running kyrian, are we saving things like Last Stand for defensive instead of as an offensive cooldown to generate rage? My understanding is rage generation is not an issue for pwar?

[lusty grotto]

🤷

i still use it for rage gen

out of habit

and/or depends on bolster pickup

[mellow quartz]

you pick the LS rage talent?

[lusty grotto]

i dont

[lucid robin]

i haven't picked anything myself yet. 😄

[lusty grotto]

but conduit

[open gazelle]

I use last stand at the beginning of a big pull and generally save shield wall for oh shit moments

I have bolster

[tropic gorge]

Avatar and SW giving each other is so good

[lucid robin]

I suppose last stand on big pulls does double duty anyway.

[mellow quartz]

is the beta up for you guys? all the realms are incompatible for me but I can't update my client 😦

[lusty grotto]

hmm...

[tropic gorge]

And infinite block uptime is... Something else entirely. I ran a low 15id, and at one point pushed my block time to 22 seconds when I looked

[lucid robin]

you want some upfront mitigation to prevent getting flattened. 😄

[lusty grotto]

i dont think its worth getting bolster atm

you dont need it for uptime at least

[severe hatch]

Shield wall has like a 40s CD right now, I would use it early and often

[lusty grotto]

so i just dump LS for rage gen

which is probably also not needed

[open gazelle]

@severe hatch yes of course I have two charges of it anyways

[lusty grotto]

and yes Auld is correct

[open gazelle]

Sometimes do LS and SW at the same time

But keep one SW for oh shit moments

[severe hatch]

The trick to being correct is to never say things that are incorrect

[lusty grotto]

that is also correct

ty auld

[open gazelle]

Correct

[severe hatch]

Any time bb

[minor helm]

Told u bozo

[open gazelle]

Sure than if sub 50% health fuck no cds left? Got it

[severe hatch]

Impending Victoryyyyy

[open gazelle]

Just burn thorough shield walls in +34 keys got it

[severe hatch]

Unironically though

[lusty grotto]

its tyrannical week though

did you know anger management is a thing?

now lets see... according to studies, our rage gen is oomph

🤷

[uneven mason]

This is probably what's going to get us shanked with a sharpened toothbrush in the tank showers when they realize that we have the wall and am and avawall

[lusty grotto]

not to mention impenetrable wall

[oblique garnet]

😦 not even 100% uptime on ip

[tropic gorge]

What are you even doing?

Git gud

Lmao

[uneven mason]

Just go to vdh at that point

[oblique garnet]

Should honestly

[uneven mason]

Sense would be ashamed

[oblique garnet]

pug adventures are fun on prepatch ngl

[oblique garnet]

Cant believe youve done this

[radiant magnet]

I hear bear has openings

go bear

[lusty grotto]

xD

[signal niche]

swipe swipe swipe

[radiant magnet]

thrash, complain on forums, thrash

[mellow quartz]

love there is a post on the beta forums saying 'can we please just get any sort of feedback on bear' 🙂

[uneven mason]

It's like walking into a Kmart the day before it gets boarded up in bur discord

[lusty grotto]

🧸pls halp

[gleaming nest]

hey I'm leveling and want to try Prot (54), where can I buy a shield so I can play the spec. Skyhold?

[lusty grotto]

uhhh...

[uneven mason]

Auction house

[bold wave]

auctionhouse

[gleaming nest]

damn. ok

[radiant magnet]

yeah, been in there all beta. very sad. I'm actually making a bear 2nd tank just to underdog life

[uneven mason]

I'll always make bur my 2nd tank

Ragebro

[median tulip]

I rarely bother having a second tank

[radiant magnet]

maybe bear gets lucky and blizz overcorrects in s2 or s3

[uneven mason]

I'd put money on that

[lusty grotto]

my 2nd tank has been vdh since legion

so im covered

[pallid yarrow]

ashen jugg conduit works right? just the tooltip is broken?

[lusty grotto]

fuck bear, its so boring

and always has been

[uneven mason]

This is why no one respects you

[raw karma]

hello, what stance should i use for m+ and raid?

[lusty grotto]

[uneven mason]

If take big damage, defensive

[median tulip]

Def if you need it, Battle if you don't

[uneven mason]

If not battle

[tropic gorge]

Speaking of bear. I was shocked that my warrior, with even ilvl to my guilds bear tank, my warrior has more stats except hp. He has 10 or 12k more than me

[uneven mason]

Like mechanically they have no difference

[tropic gorge]

My parry is 1 percent higher than his dodge and I have 2x the druids armor and dr

[raw karma]

thanks guys

[uneven mason]

This is fucked in both directions

[median tulip]

I'm not an expert, but don't Druids rely on their Mastery a lot?

Bear Druids that is

[uneven mason]

Warriors armor is scaled a smidge too high, bur needs some serious love on baseline

[tropic gorge]

No clue tbh. I'm just glad that as a prot war I'm more stacked than a damn druid is at long last

[median tulip]

I tried druid in S3, but I hated all 4 specs

[lusty grotto]

im not sure but i feel that that has been the case for a while due to shield armor

[tropic gorge]

I may try to pug some heroic raids on the warrior this weekend to get a better feel

[weary python]

Is it worth putting rend on the bar if it's being applied by thunderclap?

[median tulip]

No

[lusty grotto]

good lord pin this already

[tropic gorge]

Him and I thought the same. With my shield armor value I end up at 6k armor, 70 percent dr

[lusty grotto]

or a pin that says "please search rend, blood and thunder and thurderclap"

[median tulip]

Thunderclap with Blood & Thunder = Rage Generator, also applies Rend. Rend alone = Rage Spender. Never ever use Rend.

[tropic gorge]

I had rend on my bar, I didn't realize tc applied it on cast

It's now gone lol

[median tulip]

There's no reason to have Whirlwind on your bars either

[lusty grotto]

or hamstring

or slam

[gleaming mica]

Until he presses Ironfur.

[tropic gorge]

I had hamstring on my bars for a bit when I was trying out prot pvp, but that's it

[tropic gorge]

Probs. But having a higher armor/Dr value overall is some serious pwar win!

[marble cipher]

Hey, just checked the pinned example builds. None of them go for Shocwave > Sonic Boom at first glance (mobile atm).
I thought this was the go to since it does so much damage. Or is it only used at lvl 70 when we can get more capstones? (M+ perspective)

[lusty grotto]

i guess hamstring is debateable

situational

[median tulip]

Hamstring is situational

[lusty grotto]

on some raids at least

[tropic gorge]

I'd say hamstring is really only useful for pvp, and maybe just maybe a few niche pve situations

Is it worth keeping on the bars tho? Nah

[lusty grotto]

i mean its okay to use for anduin

[grizzled star]

situational

[lusty grotto]

but usually you have like 15 other classes that apply slows

[gleaming mica]

But again, IF will trump it. Not hard to keep 1 IF going in rotation and never dropping. Hell I can keep 2 going nonstop. Don’t get me wrong, I’m beyond thrilled Warrior received some loving going into DF.

[median tulip]

Most level 70 Protection builds will be going for the Avatar path and the Thunderous Roar path, not Shockwave. Because Rage.

[tropic gorge]

The Shockwave talent looks really sexy

I like the big dmg boost it can get

[deft dust]

It's a nice button to press

[tropic gorge]

I'd rather gave avatar tho

[ebon turtle]

Hello all haven’t played World of Warcraft since vanilla just now coming back to it for my Protection warrior lv 80 I need someone’s opinions about the auto blocker from tbc or two best trinkets I should be using sorry I am also new to this discord thing😔

[lusty grotto]

good luck with that stun DR on fort keys

[deft dust]

I think you're looking for #mop-discussion

[median tulip]

Level 80? You asking about Classic WOTLK?

[ebon turtle]

Sorry

[lusty grotto]

i think the discord you're looking for is Fight Club

that's the classic warrior discord, if you dont find answers in #mop-discussion

[hard smelt]

Does anyone know if thunderclap still consuming Seeing Red at 7 stacks?

[ebon turtle]

Thank you sorry again

[lusty grotto]

yes

[strong forum]

As of yesterday it did

[median tulip]

It's decent damage, but its Rage generation is lacklustre, and you're going to get more Rage gen from Thunderous Roar (via Bloodsurge) than you will from Shockwave, I think

[hard smelt]

Do y’all still play around that and just not thunderclap above 6 stacks, or just go for something else?

[rugged basin]

yes it does. was testing it just a couple minutes ago

[open gazelle]

Is it just me or does blood dk not look that flashy/cool to play. The only cool looking abilities imo are the bone shield you get and anti magic shell that’s it

I think they need a spell look overhaul

[royal oriole]

Any reason to use WW over revenge now a days?>

[open gazelle]

More red please

[strong forum]

Melees don't get spell overhauls

Only casters

[lusty grotto]

lol

[strong forum]

WW is a dead button

And so is slam

Never use them

[open gazelle]

We get clap and avatar and even shield slam looks cool imo

[gleaming mica]

What are those spells you speak of

[tropic gorge]

Indeed. I took avatar for now. Sadly my tank is now an alt, so I won't get to use him for a bit until df and my mage gets set

[lusty grotto]

oh no, its immersion talk

oh look at the time, lunch time

[open gazelle]

What’s wrong with immersion talk

[radiant magnet]

on Hello Kitty Online, nothing

[lusty grotto]

[open gazelle]

Don’t knock hello kitty online til you try it

I’m just blood dk spells look wise appear meh compared to other tanks

Just saying*

[gleaming mica]

Cause BDK is meh

[lusty grotto]

remember when immersion nerds justify blizzard's decision to not have us flying from day 1 of expansions?

i remembered

every

time

fuck you immersion nerds

[tropic gorge]

I don't like flying day 1 because I think flight makes the game too easy

[lusty grotto]

now take that how to ride that dragon and shove it

[tropic gorge]

Part of what I liked about wod was the decision to make the world more difficult

[jagged pier]

the whole dragon fly system is built around u flying day 1

[deft dust]

@tropic gorge that argument, but then portals

[radiant magnet]

it works in DF tho

[jagged pier]

when zone are made around it

like storm peaks

[radiant magnet]

exactly

[jagged pier]

it works really well

[lusty grotto]

or revendreth?

hint hint

[jagged pier]

thats wasnt built with flying in mind while lvling through it

so no

[tropic gorge]

I'm not a player against flight period. I just don't like it out of the gate

[lusty grotto]

still ass to get through on the ground, fuck that shit

[tropic gorge]

But that's just like, my opinion maaaaan

[lusty grotto]

of course it shouldn't

but it should be available when you cap levels

anyway at least thats not the case in DF so we're solid

[tropic gorge]

I did like having to "earn" flight. Dunno how I feel about how blizz went about it in sl. But it's meh

[lusty grotto]

you mean in SL, BFA AND legion

AND WoD

[tropic gorge]

Bfa is the one I can't fly in. I never got around to getting it lol

[old sinew]

flying was dumb because flying as a mechanic was dumb. I like flying in DF because it's actually flying

I've never understood the argument of "I need flying because what if I need to take a massive shit while questing", as if you can't log out of the game and do that

[lusty grotto]

gross

[radiant magnet]

yeah, logging out is gross

[lusty grotto]

we found one

[tropic gorge]

Wait, people log out?

[old sinew]

you know what's gross? Malding about not being able to take a shit for 6 or 8 years or however long it has been since WoD

kekw

imagine getting mad about the most trivial thing

[lusty grotto]

that's a gross oversimplification

immersion has its uses in an MMO

just not being forced upon players when going for certain goals

or as a mechanic to make you waste more time in game

[tropic gorge]

That's what the taxi system is

[old sinew]

I guess Blizzard should just mail me 30,000 valor because it's a waste of time to make me valor farm kekw

[tropic gorge]

A method to keep people logged in for more time

[old sinew]

wasting your time is part of the game. the world isn't big unless the world is big

[lusty grotto]

are we talking about immersion or endgame grinds?

[old sinew]

yes, that's how it works

[lusty grotto]

or did you conveniently left that part out?

[old sinew]

"the game shouldn't ever 'waste' my time' is a smooth-brain take

[gleaming mica]

Remind my how a game isn’t wasting time….

[lusty grotto]

that's so odd that we're talking about IMMERSION FORCING YOU, and then you go on a different tangent

[crystal mauve]

Sorry to bother about Execute again. Is it even worth using then?

[lusty grotto]

its like you leave out the import context

[jagged pier]

yes

[old sinew]

"a different tangent"... that's how argument works. I take your argument, I take it to its conclusion, show that said conclusion is dumb, therefore your argument is dumb. That's how it works

[crystal mauve]

I presume that means it is still the highest damage per rage points spend then?

[sick sentinel]

waste my time as in, the game just decided to randomly crash whenever it wants kind of thing

[lusty grotto]

sounds more like a strawman to me

but hey if you feel you proved my argument is dumb, i can't convince you otherwise

nor i intend to knowing where you stand

[tired forge]

flying should either exist or not exist

[mellow quartz]

you are not forced to fly

[tired forge]

lol

[mellow quartz]

run if you like or walk

[tired forge]

ya def

[gleaming mica]

They still have taxi services

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[tired forge]

"you are free to have a worse experience than others!"

[lusty grotto]

indeed you are

[mellow quartz]

such is life

[undone owl]

Prot is feeling really nice right now. Just did some keys and felt like i would imagine DKs have felt the last 2 seasons.

[strong forum]

Dk was even better

[mellow quartz]

prot feels way better to play though

[strong forum]

Ya

Can imagine

[undone owl]

agreed

[mellow quartz]

gameplay style and feedback loop etc

DK was retarded

shit gameplay

just strong

[opaque hearth]

I have not played a lot since before prepatch, did we lose a good chunk of HP? I swear I was over 150k.

[lusty grotto]

hmm that's a lot of hp

[mellow quartz]

in DF you will have 300k+ 🙂

[lusty grotto]

300ilvl me have always had 125k

pre-fort and armor kit

[sick sentinel]

new hd LFD eyball a bit creepy

[opaque hearth]

thanks, i'm probably just going nuts

[lusty grotto]

i think someone mentioned there was something happening with covenant HP pools though

or buff idk

could be related

[old sinew]

people were also not forced to play the latest expansion. if you didn't like no flying in SL, you could have just stayed in BFA. kekw

[sick sentinel]

u get a bunch of HP through being 80 reknonw

[lusty grotto]

kekw kekw

the strawman master

ladies and gentlemen

alright that's enough, back to fotm reroller's prot opinions and questions that have been answered 500 times in the past 2 days

[surreal thunder]

Is rend being automatically applied to multiple targets from thunderclap with no intial rend on any targets working correctly or is it a bug?

[lusty grotto]

speaking of which

[drifting fable]

working correctly

update to TC

[novel temple]

Yes

[surreal thunder]

tyvm everyone

[novel temple]

They went back to the mop design

[mellow quartz]

it's only when playing B&T

[novel temple]

Cause it was clunky as fuck to rend and thunderclap in cata, and was gonna still be clunky as fuck today

[lusty grotto]

and that's an accurate definition of clunky

[radiant magnet]

pretty sure they just couldnt fix the bugs in time in beta, so went with auto applying w/ TC

every fix it was still busted

[mellow quartz]

that is most likely the case tbh

it was broken for 3 weeks straight on beta and no matter what they did it didnt fix it

so they just changed it 🙂

[lusty grotto]

and we're all glad that was the case

[old sinew]

someone saw a link on reddit one time and thinks that anything that makes him mad because he's wrong a strawman, kekw

[lusty grotto]

kekw kekw

comma kekw

[radiant magnet]

yeah, BnT change was a solid QOL bonus

[uneven mason]

I don't think there are words to express the level of qol it is

Not needing to spend rage and gcd in rend

[radiant magnet]

honestly I was a bit shocked by the change, but yeah it's great

[uneven mason]

It's reprisal level qol without the quirk change to game play

[surreal thunder]

yea, saving a gcd is always nice lol

[old sinew]

It was definitely needed. PWar opener was way too clunky without imo

[uneven mason]

Saving 30 rage is better

[lusty grotto]

and a hotbar slot of course

[old sinew]

Yeah I compare thunderlord vs reprisal as similar in terms of resolving clunk

[royal oriole]

Any good Weak Auras for prot updated yet?

[lusty grotto]

nome's DF one works

[royal oriole]

on wago?

[lusty grotto]

yea

[royal oriole]

Cheers

[uneven mason]

I'm 100% honest just picking talents as I level these warriors and not reading guides and getting functional boosts every few levels is great, thus far nothing has actually modified my playstyle on either of my prot runs so far which is amazing for new players

What isn't amazing for new players is relying on the ah for shields

[lusty grotto]

well to be fair you should get shields by questing

and obviously having prot loot spec

but yeah it might be a rough starting point

[old sinew]

It’s too bad new players still level through BFA. Woulda been nice if they could do legion and get an artifact shield

[dire tulip]

How good is tough as nails? Mine does 1100 and I have a 70% shield up time casually through 16s.

[uneven mason]

Yeah legion is one

[lusty grotto]

about 5-6% overall damage in keys

easy to maintain through SB uptime

its good

[uneven mason]

I haven't done a legion run yet, did WOD for speed on first

[lusty grotto]

passive damage

[radiant magnet]

helps if you can stagger the incoming melee swings

[old sinew]

WoD is definitely the GOAT for leveling experiences.

[dire tulip]

Do you know if brutal vitality and leech trigger off it?

[uneven mason]

Second has been BFA

For IDK

[spring surge]

Luxthos' new set is pretty good and super customizable

[lusty grotto]

hmm, im not entirely sure but it should

since the damage is smaller in comparison to everything else it might be difficult to test

[dire tulip]

Max block is 85% of damage right ?

[strong forum]

si

[dire tulip]

I an trying to figure out how big melee hits have to be to get over shield block and the leech/vitality

[strong forum]

?

[uneven mason]

Wat

[strong forum]

wdym "go over"

[lusty tiger]

Other than our reverb legendary what did they need for prot?

[dire tulip]

Like a mob has to hit you for a certain amount to get over the 85% block and the 30% ip and 10% leech to actually deal damage from a melee

[strong forum]

multiplication can never reduce a hit to 0

youll always take dmg

you also have like 60% armor reduction in there

[lusty grotto]

on blocks

[strong forum]

you need a 100% absorb to reduce a hit to 0

[lusty grotto]

obviously parry and dodge work differently

[strong forum]

also IP is 55%

not 30

and leech isnt mitigation

[dire tulip]

The 30% is brutal vitality gain.

[strong forum]

those 30% are dealing dmg to increase IP size

it has nothing to do with how much of a %IP absorbs

[lusty grotto]

there are no unhittable sets or builds in wow retail, if that's what you're going for

[strong forum]

the only tank who can reduce a hit to 0 without parrying or dodging is BDK

[lusty grotto]

obv that was different in wrath

[strong forum]

because BDK can stack up bloodshield

which is a full absorb

[old sinew]

I mean it won't literally do zero damage even if you critically block, absorb 55% of the damage with IP, and mitigate a lot with armor, but you might not require any external healing if you have enough self-HPS (actual HPS, not more IP gain).

[dire tulip]

I am not looking for unhittable. I want to figure out how much leech/ip gain you get when you get hit with shield block and tough as nails and how much you negate with shield block.

I am probably just being dumb and bored at work

[old sinew]

nom just said they're multiplicative.

If I take 50% your pie and then take another half of your pie, you have a 1/4 of your pie left, not zero pie.

[gleaming mica]

Just fly over the dmg

[strong forum]

new omega bug

once you reach IP cap, brutal vit stops working until IP drops off again and you reapply it

[uneven mason]

Unplayable

[lusty grotto]

ugh

[old sinew]

kekw

[dire tulip]

Oof

[arctic whale]

IP drops off?

[grave crane]

Cringe

[old sinew]

🍝

[lusty grotto]

perhaps intended no?

[old sinew]

no shot that's intended

[lusty grotto]

it definitely sounds like a bug

[old sinew]

its just spaghetti code. I'm sure its coded to say something like "stop trying to add IP value if the IP value is full" and then simply never checks to see if IP value has diminished and should start adding again

[royal oriole]

Whats the best legendary to run on prepatch M+ right now?

[lusty grotto]

yeah that's my reasoning as well

[oblique garnet]

This is fine

[uneven mason]

Not top damage

Nerf locks

[oblique garnet]

Affli kinda strong in aoe

[royal oriole]

Vile taint is pog

[dire tulip]

How does brace for impact and shield specialization work with our mastery?

[unkempt rover]

whats best talents for M+ right now?

[lusty grotto]

[unkempt rover]

ty!

[lusty grotto]

BFI is multiplicative with your Block Value same with Shield Spec

so your BV x max stacks of BFI x 30%

[uneven mason]

The 6% chance is additive value is multiplicative.

[crystal mauve]

I'm curious to see a breakdown of your damage/heal too if possible 🙂

[lusty grotto]

you mean the 5% from BFI is additive with each stack

[crystal mauve]

Thanks a lot @oblique garnet 🙂

[uneven mason]

I mean shield spec 6% chance is just raw chance to block

[lusty grotto]

yeah i dont think hes asking about that

or i hope not

cause SB

[uneven mason]

All sbv is multicative

[lusty grotto]

yup

[dire tulip]

I am asking the 30% added block value particularly

[uneven mason]

And yeah bfi stacks then multiplies

[dire tulip]

Same part for BFI

[lusty grotto]

mastery is block chance

[uneven mason]

Yup

[lusty grotto]

so additive wwith block chance from shield spec

but it doesnt matter cause we have shield block

[uneven mason]

But since we have 100% on SB

[lusty grotto]

and of course, it doesnt need repeating but

yes

that

[dapper nest]

Is the sepulcher's savior shield worth using? It's 291 and higher than my 278 shield but it has no stat other than block

[lusty grotto]

if its higher ilvl

its better

[uneven mason]

The chance is just for "I came from brm" protection

[lusty grotto]

because more armor more block value

[dapper nest]

Ty!

[dire tulip]

So in that case, BFI and shield specialization gets double when Crit blocked right?

[lusty grotto]

sure neonjoe

but im pretty sure crit blocks had a cap

i could be wrong

[crystal mauve]

Forgot to ask, what was the key? Sorry to bother :/

[uneven mason]

It caps at 85% mitigation like armor

[lusty grotto]

there you go

ty ikarikaze

[oblique garnet]

Gambit

[uneven mason]

Block value = 2nd layer of armor basically

[dire tulip]

That is kind of what I was thinking. With those adding two talents adding to block value, mastery which was already bad just feels incredibly bad now

[lusty grotto]

that's why nome and crew have been ranking mastery dead last for stats

[uneven mason]

They don't negate mastery but we've never gone for mastery on mitigation

[lusty grotto]

well not specifically because of it, but its a big part

[uneven mason]

I think it leads vers for DPS though!

[lusty grotto]

😡

it doesnt actually

[uneven mason]

That's sad

[lusty grotto]

but you said the v word so i had to anger emoji

[uneven mason]

Need to buff our atk from mastery

I thought "viable" was the v word

[lusty grotto]

tbf youre not gonna ignore items with mastery though

[urban portal]

It’s just some numbers stuff

[pseudo berry]

Hey all, checked the pinned posts and couldnt see anything around it, what conduits are necros running now, has anything changed?

[urban portal]

You can’t really buff the mastery ap

[uneven mason]

You're not going to ignore anything with ilvl

[lusty grotto]

yar

[urban portal]

It’s always 35/% for all tanks

[royal oriole]

Wait so we ared doing this much healing without fueled by violence??

[lusty grotto]

indom

IPs

IV

[crystal mauve]

I've seend good player with this 🙂

[uneven mason]

IP has always been good for healing meters

[royal oriole]

Yeah but like - we still have fueled by violence to look forward to also? lol

[lusty grotto]

i dont use it

neither the talent

[uneven mason]

This not competing with anything better, the self sustain we deserve

[pseudo berry]

Thanks mate, exactly what I was looking for ❤️

[lusty grotto]

not needed

[knotty stump]

hi

[lusty grotto]

it depends on your talents, cause you cant double down

i think most of us are running a variation of this

and of course i just realized i have safeguard without intervene

lmaooo

[uneven mason]

Legitimately full healed myself with last stand bitter and IV after the group exploded and left me last man standing

Suffer as I take 5 min to solo this boss

[lusty grotto]

just slap inspiring presence there

[pseudo berry]

xD

[crystal mauve]

Take Intervene instead of Intimidating shout and you are good 🙂

[lusty grotto]

nah fuck that

[pseudo berry]

Love the shout for fish dicks

sticks*

[lusty grotto]

just make sure to pick stuff there that you either want to free a talent up for or etc, i dont really need fueled so im not taking it in any of the 2 different ways

and obv dont pick conduits you dont have abilities for

[pseudo berry]

Top man, thanks for the advice

[oblique garnet]

Finally broke 30k

In non JY

[cobalt seal]

When did you learn to change numbers on details?

[pseudo berry]

That overall? 😮

[oblique garnet]

nah aint that its just gambit and keys that dont mean anything (below 20s) so i can just pull whatever without thinking of consequences

ye

[pseudo berry]

Fuck me, right, what build ye using haha Ravager?

[gleaming mica]

No no, shout for fish dicks is Murloc Warrior Race ability.

[pseudo berry]

You necro Late?

[pseudo berry]

😆

[lusty grotto]

of course hes necro

no reason to be any other covenant

[pseudo berry]

Who?

[oblique garnet]

Ye

[pseudo berry]

Cheers mate

[lusty grotto]

who what?

[pseudo berry]

Who asked 😛

[lusty grotto]

well fuck you too buddy

[cobalt seal]

You

[pseudo berry]

❤️

[cobalt seal]

Wtf

Is wrong with you

[mighty valley]

You cannae just be called Stauner in polite company

[pseudo berry]

I asked Late and I'm clearly having a joke

[radiant magnet]

if you want to joke, play bear

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[pseudo berry]

Another Scotin here 😛

[pseudo berry]

True

[lusty grotto]

i've been burned by that one too many times

i let my guard down

i blame candice

[pseudo berry]

Feels bad man, was just playin

[lusty grotto]

lol no worries, i caught on

[uneven mason]

Too soon

[oblique garnet]

Prot is fotm now its not safe

[lusty grotto]

[uneven mason]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-ventura-shower-ace-ventura-gif-20013947

[lusty grotto]

[blissful grove]

guys whats the most versatile lego for prot ?

[tardy mural]

what people running instead of reprisal ? just realized im not even running intervene but using the lego

[lusty grotto]

seismic

[blissful grove]

ty

[lusty grotto]

keep in mind though that the wall or reprisal might be better for raids

[spring umbra]

prot is pretty close to vdh no? so its not like we are too much of an outlier

[lusty grotto]

and seismic for keys or aoe

[tardy mural]

would you run seismic over wall for m+ then ?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[lusty grotto]

yes m+ = keys

[fathom turtle]

is the m+ tree at wowhead good or should i use something else?

[lusty grotto]

try to

[fathom turtle]

oh ok, so what u guys use for m+ then?

[lusty grotto]

yes

you're welcome

it honestly doesnt matter most of us are just playing with options using those as base

[uneven mason]

Write down the name of every talent on a piece of paper and throw them in a hat...

[bold furnace]

Don't even utter flavor... It shall bring wrath of devs and other crybaby classes

[patent osprey]

Just make sure if you run seismic legendary to not take the talent as well below barbaric training

[uneven mason]

We're doomed come 10.1

[marble cipher]

There won't be a 10.1, servers will crash and burn and blizz be out of a job

[uneven mason]

The dam of paladin and dk tears will burst and wash California into the ocean

[lusty grotto]

gonna be a hell of a november

ragnarok, warzone2, DF

[bold furnace]

Don't do this to me. I love how thicc war is

[mighty valley]

hear me out here

it might be ok if sometimes - OCCASIONALLY - it's possible for us to die

[lusty grotto]

i mean i died by taking 3 vampiric strikes last night because reflect was down

i cant remember what its called

so lets just say vampiric strike

[bold furnace]

I mean I died once last night bc I pulled the whole council room in castle 😂😂

[mighty valley]

like you pulled three simultaneous dreadlords?

[lusty grotto]

of course

[sullen jungle]

Is the Fueled By Violence better than Condensed Anima Sphere?

[mighty valley]

should've taken BSV i guess

[bold furnace]

Whoa whoa we can spell reflect vampiric strike?

[mighty valley]

yeah

[bold furnace]

Holy shit I didn't even know this

[lusty grotto]

oh no

we've spoiled our secrets RUN HARROW

[mighty valley]

also can reflect an application of the miniboss debuff

[lusty grotto]

zulgy yea

it does big dam

[uneven mason]

Can re/deflect lots

[lusty grotto]

so SR on cd on it

[mighty valley]

better than SRing blood siphon

or whatever it's called

[lusty grotto]

lol

you can actually get a reflect off if you cast as siphon/shield is starting

of the dot

[bold furnace]

I started playing around warrior mid way through last season bc I liked zipping around and all the mobility. That's pretty sick

[lusty grotto]

oh crap i think the reflect/blockable list is not pinned anymore

let me do you a solid

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQgrszRE22Brb0f5k761vUXVe7MD1-qHThpalxzn0zWFRdQqrh0hM5LcQNoa-lLz4781S5rH2e9tRXG/pubhtml# its written by the man, the legend, and cutest Cow/dwarf, Mr. Sense

also hes working on the DF version

[gleaming mica]

VDH does it better, but just glad to see Warrior got some movement love. Now we can all laugh at Paladin and DK together.

[lusty grotto]

hey

we were the original mobile tank

and

kind of

[brisk sparrow]

so talking banner uptime - is reprisal still the go to? or do you get so much rage that it doesn't really matter?

[sullen jungle]

Soo for the last Endurance Conduit do we take FBV, CAS Or UF?

[lusty grotto]

seismic

but to answer you, the last part of what you said is what's correct

reprisal has its uses in raid/ST

[mighty valley]

vdh is like... fweh, i've moved

[lusty grotto]

and wall too

[mighty valley]

we fuckin slam everywhere we go

and yeah, in anything with multiple targets, we're swimming in rage without reprisal

haven't done any long ST fights yet

[uneven mason]

Vdh has more mobility?

[lusty grotto]

depends, you cant talent what you put here

i use UF and SG

[uneven mason]

I might level up a vdh just for fairness to see how all the tanks do

[gleaming mica]

Yup and movement increase

[uneven mason]

After my 6 warriors are done

[gleaming mica]

That’s why I am gearing a warrior right now.

[lusty grotto]

have you heard of my lord and savior the Banner?

[brisk sparrow]

sorry I am a bit confused - had a bit of a pause from prot and reprisal was quite a bit of my rage regen, I am unsure if I can keep banner up if I don't play it - or if shield charge is a thing even

[uneven mason]

Oh I didn't say gear, just level

[lusty grotto]

you'll generate a lot of rage with just bloodsurge

its not needed for AOE situations

[red siren]

Hi have a question, i don't know if it's bug but is it normal that thunder clap apply rend ?

[brisk sparrow]

I see, thank you very much 🙂

[slow estuary]

is prot kinda trash right now compared to other tanks?

[lime palm]

Warrior has more mobility than Veng. They have the same jump: Veng has retreat and Hunt, Prot has Charge, Shield, Intervene.

[lusty grotto]

im just gonna stop answering that question

[uneven mason]

If you have bnt and rend

[lusty grotto]

30% movespeed banner

[red siren]

ok so we don't have to use rend ? just use thunder clap ?

[uneven mason]

What's the ability say

[red siren]

ok so it's very easy

[lusty grotto]

and war machine lmao

we go fast

not to mention i was already using speed shit before prepatch hit

[uneven mason]

Loving this for dungeons

[lusty grotto]

now i go fast as fuck

and i forgot where i put the brakes

[uneven mason]

Also latest warrior is high mountain tauren, that rush is fun for mobility and stun

[urban portal]

Veng jump is 2 charges on a much shorter cd

[mighty valley]

is this a real question

[tropic gorge]

If infinite block and insane armor values are trash, then yes!

[slow estuary]

i just did some m+ with my prot offspec and felt like a did prty bad

but logs said otherwise

[chrome falcon]

prot is the strongest tank in the game

if you did bad then you must be doing stuff insanely wrong

[slow estuary]

but like i got 90 logs

i guess its decent

[heavy pagoda]

no one

logged anything yet

[slow estuary]

enspecially since i never played it

[lofty widget]

logs dont mean anything

pretty sure its just based off key lvl

[silent anchor]

logs mean nothing in m+

[tawny bison]

I also thought it worked like older versions of Blood and Thunder that required your target to be Rended before it could be spread with Thunder Clap but this version just requires the Rend ability to be taken on the talent tree and Thunder Clap will apply it

[slow estuary]

think only thing im doing wrong is lacking gear tbh : P

[uneven mason]

Wat

[silent anchor]

if u felt weak your doing more wrong than low ilvl bro

[slow estuary]

like what?

[bold furnace]

Bear dead till rework lol

[silent anchor]

well i dont know what u were doing, so couldnt say lol

[uneven mason]

It did, then they listened on how shitty that felt and fixed it

[slow estuary]

i mean it looks fairly simple to play to me

[uneven mason]

Like weak dmg wise?

[slow estuary]

ye weak dmg wise

[uneven mason]

Or squishy

[tawny bison]

good fix, that extra global to apply rend is god awful

[silent anchor]

your making statements with nothing to back up then asking questions with no reference for us to go on, how are we to react my man?

[slow estuary]

bro why are u so aggresive? i litrely just came back and made no statements

[silent anchor]

_>

[slow estuary]

stop being angry m8 : )

just said my experience

ur probably not even better

[silent anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-okay-umm-awkward-situation-huh-gif-5850917

[mighty valley]

we are extremely strong right now, in the running for best tank, so it's likely something's off

[lofty widget]

linking your logs is a good start if you want help

hard to give any feedback without tbh

[uneven mason]

@oblique garnet wake up, someone needs an edumicashun

[lusty grotto]

excuse me, Late is EU, he doesnt speak NA

but 🤝 for speaking NA

either way to say BnT rend is weak is really far off lmao

[slow estuary]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/lightnings-blade/demolize?zone=30#spec=Protection&class=Warrior

[lusty grotto]

what are we looking at here

[uneven mason]

I mean at lower gear I can see some one pumping IP over revenge and feeling damage is low?

[lusty grotto]

and i hope that character is updated cause it says Night Fae

[coarse flower]

those logs are based off the speed of your runs, it won't help us see what youre pressing

[mighty valley]

how the fuck do we navigate to a specific log from here

sometimes i hate the website

[lusty grotto]

idk but it helps if he links to a specific run cause shrug

oh

[uneven mason]

There's no logs just lb stat

[lusty grotto]

its leaderboard data

yeah we cant see shit here

except that you're night fae

which is wrong

[slow estuary]

im not even nightfae

it must be outdated

[uneven mason]

Even less helpful

[mellow quartz]

maybe a bit less aggressive?

[lusty grotto]

do you have an actual log?

hey guys heres some logs

[mellow quartz]

he was talking about how hes got a '90 logs' he means it shows as a 90 on the overview in his dungeon profile on warcraftlogs

[urban portal]

90 logs doesn’t mean shite in prepatch

And dungeon logs mean even less

[stoic smelt]

what does the points section even mean? don't you just get all 99s assuming you do high keys?

[mellow quartz]

he is just not aware that 90 is not 'high'

[lusty grotto]

i must be good amirite?

[silent anchor]

like, i did say this, but apparently that was aggresive shrugs

[uneven mason]

[mellow quartz]

yes that number is just the higher the key

nothing abt play

[slow estuary]

yikes why are people so angry here:/

[mighty valley]

bloodsurge is giving us too much rage

[lusty grotto]

cause we are warrie

[silent anchor]

we have a troll in our midst

[mellow quartz]

troll != ignorant

[coarse flower]

maybe he just wants some help lol

[lusty grotto]

super woyer

[urban portal]

He says the main reason he isn’t doing damage is cuz gear

[lofty widget]

someone post that copy pasta "how to log" thing

[lusty grotto]

its prepatch, we're overflowing with rage

[mighty valley]

anyway. if you're not doing very good damage, you're almost certainly doing something wrong. if you'd like us to help you figure it out, we'll need to see a log. otherwise, all good!

[silent anchor]

cant give help with statements and nothing for us to work on

[uneven mason]

Literally rage fuels us

[silent anchor]

which is also what i said before

[oblique garnet]

Huh?

[sick sentinel]

Which leggy are the goto in m+ here in pre-patch?

[mighty valley]

seismic in m+, wall or reprisal in raid probably

[radiant magnet]

the price of help is logs & the acceptance that feedback may bruise your feelings

[lusty grotto]

wait, i actually dont think i've seen this copypasta

pls gibe

[lofty widget]

#protection message

[coarse flower]

what is the issue youre having in keys? just low damage?

[lusty grotto]

OH

ngl i was expecting a regular copypasta but its actually informative

[radiant magnet]

I thought it was in pins

[lusty grotto]

i think pins have a limit cause the SR/blockable list got pushed off

[slow estuary]

ye i seem to be doing prty low damage@coarse flower and i cant point my finger on whats the issue

[lusty grotto]

i might be wrong

[slow estuary]

sadly dont seem to have any damage logs

[lusty grotto]

no worries, just record your next run

[slow estuary]

i never log myself and people seem to rarely log damage for whatever reason

[lusty grotto]

by following that copypasta

[slow estuary]

instead they log speed of runs

[coarse flower]

nah the speed of runs are uploaded automatically

[lusty grotto]

uhhh...

yeah

[lofty widget]

id compare your talents to one of the ones in the pins here, then make sure you tc+ss on cd and prio revenge>>>IP unless you need to dump rage

[lusty grotto]

that comes straight from the leaderboard

[radiant magnet]

log one when you can, drop the link here - free feedback. not always gentle feedback, but free

[slow estuary]

really? weird cause then i have allot of runs that arent recorded

[coarse flower]

i might be wrong, but i think some runs won't show on the leaderboards if theyre too low or completed out of time

[lusty grotto]

yea

you're correct

its leaderboard data after all

it has a cutoff

either way it doesnt help

[slow estuary]

aight thx il make some runs then and make sure to record them

[craggy pilot]

did we just get WW + Slam in the prepatch?

and is there any idea in ever using either?

[lusty grotto]

slam yes

ww we already had since SL launched

[radiant magnet]

neither is useful to prot

[craggy pilot]

ye it looks like Revenge just does more dam?

[radiant magnet]

yep

[craggy pilot]

maybe some of them are useful for lvling?

[lusty grotto]

they arent

[modern brook]

No

[lusty grotto]

neither of them

[modern brook]

Pretend they aren't there

[radiant magnet]

nope. just 2 extra buttons to not put on bars

[amber ivy]

Revenge will proc free dmg. slam wont

[grizzled star]

Make me better bbs https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dJXzfqFawBcmAKrT#fight=4&type=damage-done&source=19

[lusty grotto]

keep in your ability book since you can't throw em in the bin

[undone verge]

does brace for impact refresh duration, or is it a multiple application type of thing

[lofty widget]

mutliple applications

[amber ivy]

how is rend dmg so low? i sneeze and do 12% rend dmg

[undone verge]

kk

[lusty grotto]

first of all were you using reprisal on a single target fight?

[limpid pawn]

anyone have a really good plater profile for m+

[lusty grotto]

o

[limpid pawn]

i like the one nerftank uses

[lusty grotto]

im an idiot

[coarse flower]

just use naowh's (nerf is using his now as well)

[lusty grotto]

thats actually a good leggo pick

[undone verge]

reprisal fine imo, but you gotta take intervene if you use it

[lusty grotto]

@modern brook the nerf mentions are back

this truly is a repeat of bfa s2

[grizzled star]

Idc about changing my leggo for prepatch tbh. But I’ll keep that in mind what’s best for st

[lusty grotto]

nono

im an idiot, reprisal is good there

disregard my question

[lofty widget]

you gotta TC a whole lot more

[limpid pawn]

link to naowh's plater?

(and thank you very much)

[grizzled star]

I appreciate the input either way

[grizzled star]

Will do ty king

[lusty grotto]

i think youre just not managing Show of Force correctly

and the outburst bug will fuck it up anyway

[coarse flower]

to get his profile you need to sub to him on twitch then join his sub-only discord channel to get the plater profile; can't share it

[lusty grotto]

fueled is also bugged, so dont pick

[modern brook]

thats pog 😄

[lusty grotto]

seismic isnt really doing much on that fight at least

[radiant magnet]

Sludgefist, so Rend falling off during the run away phases pre charge?

theres a few gaps

[lofty widget]

there should be 0 gaps in rend uptime

its a 20 sec debuff or something

[lusty grotto]

your block uptime is kind of low

63% of all giant fists

but again you're not asking for defensive input

[radiant magnet]

Rend expiring. Solved by more TC: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dJXzfqFawBcmAKrT#fight=4&type=damage-done&source=19&ability=388539

[lusty grotto]

either way SB pumps your SS dmg

[radiant magnet]

prot warrior is really just a feedback loop. the more rage we spend, the more we get back. with proper play it resonates very nicely and dps increases

[lusty grotto]

you only had

[lofty widget]

running tough as nails so SB is also offensive btw

[lusty grotto]

8 violent outbursts?

[uneven mason]

It's like BFA launch but without the risk if getting chunked if you fuckup

[radiant magnet]

good example. more buttons in DF, but same idea

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[uneven mason]

We've got the good shit from bfa and the good shit from SL and some legion level self sustain tossed on top

[lusty grotto]

wait

youre running codex

oh no

alright my assessment of this log is complete

next person take it up please lmao

i cant look at it

im so sorry for your loss

[uneven mason]

But nerf runs it!!!!!

🤣

[mellow quartz]

as if nerf is known for his UI lol, other than he is known to run the most basic shit ever

to whoever said 'even nerf runs naowhs profile now'

[coarse flower]

nah he asked where to get nerf's profile, it was naowh's

[grizzled star]

Yeah I don’t have a better trinket right now. Haven’t been playing my warrior long was thinking of getting an ows after the next raid

[sick sentinel]

wait so if you have like the same conduit and talent

i.e. fueled by violence

[uneven mason]

They cancel one

[sick sentinel]

none of them works

[uneven mason]

Oh haha

Rip

[sick sentinel]

I had both talent and conduit

received 0 heal from either

[lusty grotto]

Talent is bugged

Talent overtakes conduit

And so, you don't get anything

[sick sentinel]

wait so fueled by vio just dont work as talent

ok

cool to know lol

[mellow quartz]

see pins

[lusty grotto]

get RDM too and maybe scars

[bold wave]

guys i think ive got 1-2 weakauras the cause some laggs. is it possible to profile it infight ?

[mellow quartz]

get buggrabber

and bugsack

addons

will show you what is causing lua errors and how often etc

just make sure to mute the weeb sound

[lusty grotto]

:weebsout:

one day

one day im going to be able to use it again

[mellow quartz]

is the beta working for anyone?

[strong forum]

checking

[mellow quartz]

all realms are incompatible for me and no possibility to update

[strong forum]

im logging in as we speak

[mellow quartz]

check update in battlenet is even greyed out cant even click it 😦

[radiant magnet]

Alyrion - open task manager and look for a running WoW instance. if one is open, updates cant run

beta often sticks. no visible indicator, but task manager will have it listed

especially on crashes

[mellow quartz]

yup you are right

wtf is this shit

[radiant magnet]

kill the green one

[mellow quartz]

already did

[radiant magnet]

update should be clickable after that

[mellow quartz]

strange part is I closed out of it properly, didn't even crash last time

coding is hard I guess

[radiant magnet]

yeah beta instances stick like that. also check if you get unexplained performance drops - one time I had 4-5 clients running in background at once

[serene steppe]

Does seismic talent stack with legendary? Where revenge hits an extra time if you hit 3+ targets

[lusty grotto]

no

[serene steppe]

dang, thanks

[lusty grotto]

no talent stacks with the legendary counterpart or the conduit counterpart

and vice versa

so use them to have an extra talent point

[serene steppe]

So if the talent hits for 30% and legendary for 75% and I got both, which one gets used?

[radiant magnet]

it's blizz, so some other talent entirely - probably from prot paladin tree

[lusty grotto]

talent takes precedence iirc

either way most of us are using the leggo, not the talent

[serene steppe]

Man we could have had some sweet aoe if they stacked

[lusty grotto]

we do have some sweet aoe

no need for more

[serene steppe]

Sweet-er!

[lusty grotto]

wouldn't make sense to have clear balance data

[stable valve]

Being able to use leggos or conduits or covenants already don’t make it clear for balance data

[lusty grotto]

makes a lot more sense than having revenge topping your damage

with 2x seismic

and any other variation doubling down on conduits/talents

and while balancing is probably being done with DF as a base, and not this pre-patch, outliers can be identified... just not as easily as when you double down a power gain

[mighty valley]

there's ultimately probably a boring implementation reason for things not stacking

would likely cause more bugs that aren't worth fixing for a mere four weeks

[lusty grotto]

either way there shouldn't be, i would flip a table if i had to look on how many things affect a single ability and on top of it having doubled down stuff

thinking as a dev

for revenge alone you have BSC and show of force amongst others

and of course SoF and seismic are available in other forms

and furthermore people might get the wrong idea about abilities in the prepatch only to see they do a fraction of what they did once DF comes out if they allowed the whole doubling down

[radiant magnet]

i blame bears

[limpid pawn]

what legos you guys usin now

[uneven mason]

I lost 40% of my mitigation just reading that

[tender cove]

Bit OT but hopefully its ok. I just bought a new MMO mouse but the buttons 1-9 is actually mimicking my keyboard. How do I make the mouse buttons their own separate buttons? ❤️

[lusty tiger]

Usually mouse software

[dusk crater]

What mouse is it?

[lusty tiger]

There should be a different profile

[dusk crater]

In the software for it, you should be able to map your own keybinds to those buttons

[tender cove]

Trust Gaming GXT 970 Morfix

[tender cove]

ohh, ok, i'll see if I can find the settings for it 🙂

[uneven mason]

Literally never heard of that brand, doesn't sound trustworthy

[tender cove]

I was looking at everything from naga to corsair to you name it. Naga is just to small for my hands, it gets super uncomfortable after a while. This has extra palm/finger support and also has lesser buttons so its easier to not fumble them and the reviews were decent and it cost 1/3 of a naga.

[uneven mason]

Learn to paw rather than claw

[warm plinth]

I had to bind the buttons (in mouse software) to keys I don't normally press. I used things like [ ] ; that kind of thing

[dusk crater]

and this is how we escape the maw

[tender cove]

ahh, okok, now I get the concept, was bit confused there :x

[crystal mauve]

Does the conduit Veteran's Repute (% Str from necolord) not scale with ilvl anymore? I upgraded mine from 200 to 278 and still show 10%. Tooltip error?

[uneven mason]

I use a naga and have to palm the whole thing, but reduces wrist strain

[half nymph]

ehm is the wall now equal to reprisal?

in m+

[warm plinth]

They nerfed a lot of conduits it seems

Ot there's tons of tool yip errors

Or* tooltip*

[crystal mauve]

The general feedback is : Play whatever, all is viable, everything is fucked up, don't bother too much comparing and have fun lol

Thanks Ghash!

[half nymph]

lmao thanks

[strong forum]

all tooltips are bugged, they work as intended

[tender cove]

Thank you bro. I just had to assign 1 to 9 to numpad and then just set numpad as a keybind and works brilliantly.

[strong forum]

and yeah regarding legendary, play whichever you like

[crystal mauve]

Good to know, thanks @strong forum 🙂

[strong forum]

i play seismic cuz its the most damage

[warm plinth]

Ezpz. Enjoy your new mouse

[strong forum]

youll be plenty tanky with talents alone

[tender cove]

I will, i'm soo hyped. First mmo mouse ever (not sure why as i've played for 15+ years). Gonna be so nice having 3-4 extra super quick accesible keybinds. Hopefully it'll step up my game a bit too 😄

[raven hatch]

can we spell block attumens shared suffering :P?

[warm plinth]

Pro tip (depending on how many bindings you want), you can bind mouse buttons to shift/ctrl/alt for super easy modifiers too

[olive steeple]

Is there such thing as a prot warrior build that doesn’t run any haste? Or is haste by far the best

[strong forum]

haste is by far the best

[tender cove]

Yeh, i already do that with all of them. Thats the big reason I bought the mouse so I won't have to use so many modifiers and more just set it and send it 😄

[warm plinth]

Nome I'm kinda disappointed you didn't get to 100k on gobbamak

[strong forum]

i did

i got to 108k or smth

[tender cove]

Any other tip far as mmo mouse? something extra important or some muscle memory thing to learn or whatever? I'm happy for any tips 😄

[warm plinth]

Then I'm kinda disappointed you didn't get to 110k on gobbamak

[silent anchor]

lul, will it be like this in df? tis insane

[waxen orbit]

That without reprisal or something?

[silent anchor]

nah i have reprisal

[warm plinth]

Muscle memory is very mouse specific. I use the Logitech g600 so it has bumps and stuff to help you know where your fingers/thumb are. Not sure what your mouse has or how it's arranged

[waxen orbit]

We were hitting 90%+ uptime on SB even before prepatch

[lusty grotto]

hi you beautiful person @warm plinth

[tender cove]

It looks and feels very much like a naga ripoff just bigger.

[silent anchor]

ive mained warr all of 2 seconds lol fair tho

[sick sentinel]

thunder clap is pretty much now required for leveling

[stoic meadow]

I try not to add abilities to the mmo mouse that you need to spam. It can make the cursor shake a bit.

[thin silo]

I tend to use my extra mouse buttons for off-gcd actions; SB, IP, defensive cds
Helps take some apm load off your keyboard hand

[warm plinth]

[lusty grotto]

[rare flare]

you mean you dont press an action button 47 times until it actually uses it? 🤔

[last forum]

soooooo im hopping on the prot warrior bandwagon and loving every minute of it, the spec finally feels like a fucking juggernaut

[mellow quartz]

@strong forum have you tested CDR on SW with Will vs Wall on beta yet?

[uneven mason]

Wait you mean I'm not supposed to spam hotkeys 20x a second

[ebon wren]

comparing my pally to my warr. I know pally still has bugs, but man its night and day where it used to be. pally feels like more of the same, still wog'ing frequently, even have to use kings/aegis some pulls. My warrior even in higher keys is lol, I don't need any cooldowns. If I shield wall it's to help out the healer through aoe. IV'd only 6 times in a 21 streets

[strong forum]

no way in hell will you play Will now

literal dead talent

no need for testing

[peak bramble]

I also have my off gcd stuff on mouse except for IP for spam, but 1 press off gcd items go on mouse 100%

[lusty grotto]

[mellow quartz]

I am getting abt 1:10-1:15 on SW with Will and abt 55s with Wall on the tanking dummy

[silent anchor]

whats will?

[last forum]

I was running 10s on a fresh warrior @ 250 ilvl and just full hp the entire run, literally never took damage

[lusty grotto]

theyre talking about DF

hence "beta"

[silent anchor]

unbreakable will i guess?

[sick sentinel]

until lvl 16 i was playing without thunderclap or devestator

[mellow quartz]

yes

[sick sentinel]

it was dark times

[ebon wren]

that party shield wall is so nice, bummer

[strong forum]

and thats without getting the +3 rage from wall

[strong forum]

not nice, extremely dumb and overpowered broken

[mellow quartz]

the 3 rage is extra added bonus yes

[strong forum]

pwar woulda been meta in keys just for UW

[ebon wren]

ya nom, still nice to have a group utility for once

[strong forum]

and do 2-3 key levels higher than everyone else

m8

[lusty grotto]

you mean like rallying cry?

[ebon wren]

thats the only really

[strong forum]

getting 20% group DR every 30seconds

is too much

its dumb

[mellow quartz]

I am just thinking that being able to press SW when you want and still get good CDR on it while having another SW in reserve will be nice in some situation, if you just talk pure uptime and throughput then wall is obviously better

[lusty grotto]

or battle shout?

[radiant magnet]

our group utility is that healers can focus on the dps

[last forum]

with immoval object + will thats a lot of party mitigation

[strong forum]

if you dont think UW was anything than stupid dumb overpowered

you need to get yourself checked

[ebon wren]

2 charges is still great

[lusty tiger]

What exactly was changed then?

[mellow quartz]

no longer applies to group

and now -30s cd

[strong forum]

the entire talent is gone, dont think about it

[last forum]

bummer

[minor helm]

Checked for what?

[last forum]

when did they do that

[strong forum]

rabies

idk

[minor helm]

Brain worms in here too?

[mellow quartz]

worms

[lusty tiger]

So it was “reworked”

[strong forum]

practically deleted

literally gone

[radiant magnet]

group shield removed entirely. replacement talent is 2 charges on 3m CD (down from 3m30s)

[strong forum]

which is good

[silent anchor]

its on my talent tree in live tho?

[radiant magnet]

beta change

[strong forum]

retail is 2 patches behind beta

[last forum]

whats the point of that as an option vs shield slam reducing CD by 5 seconds?

[ebon wren]

you know at least.. nerfing that maybe will make them have a lighter hand nerfing us in the future. cuz we're still broken good

[silent anchor]

ah i see

[last forum]

its the same option

would you like more uptime on shieldwall or more uptime on shieldwall?