go the 304 imo
#protection
south zealot
mellow bridge
How much crit do you have as well
mighty valley
I’m hovering at 40% so I’m more likely to be cool with other stats
uneven mason
But more is always better, that minmaxing at this ilvl won't make or break you
mellow bridge
Crit is very good defensively until you got like 300 of it
fathom turtle
with that 298 neck im at 35%haste and with crit neck at 31
mellow bridge
How much crit?
uncut thunder
Im sure has been asked b4 or might be in pins (cannot find) but what is the best tool to SIM as a tank? Raidbot etc?
mellow bridge
In numbers please
mellow bridge
Im sure has been asked b4 or might be in pins (cannot find) but what is the best...
You cannot sim tankyness if that's what you're asking
To sim dmg, you use raidbots like anyone else
uncut thunder
Figured
fathom turtle
677 crit with haste versa neck atm
uncut thunder
I have also healer in the past and RB was of no help but other sites were created for healing throughput
mighty valley
This late in the expansion, I’m mostly just wearing biggest ilvl and chillin
mellow bridge
I'd go for the haste vers neck but it doesn't matter too much either way razzix
mellow bridge
I have also healer in the past and RB was of no help but other sites were create...
It's pretty simple to have the best defensive setup anyways as a warr
plush prism
which would you Dinar?
mellow bridge
Ilvl > haste > crit until 300 > vers
chrome falcon
which would you Dinar?
depends if you want damage or defensive power
(you want defensive power)
plush prism
is it really like an absolutely amazing amount of defensive power?
mighty valley
Fusion amp is for like…. nothing you’re doing is hard and all you want is big parses
plush prism
I was also considering for Fury if I ever spec it (I fuckin don't)
dawn canyon
I was also considering for Fury if I ever spec it (I fuckin don't)
Sfa sucks donkey dick in keys for dps warrior
mellow bridge
I don't think rdm dmg sims properly anyways altho I might be wrong on that
dawn canyon
Pure st trinket absolute ass
mellow bridge
Pretty sure the simulated dmg intake is too low
chrome falcon
just getr dm
mellow bridge
Yeah pretty much
dawn canyon
Psure in m+ rdm just does more dam
mighty valley
if you’re really thinking about offspec just look at gavel/jaithys
dawn canyon
Just gavel really
plush prism
ty for advice, RDM it is
sick sentinel
nothing i can do if i get hit with the nightmare sleep circle after the fact myself correct
potion maybe i guess
undone verge
might be inspired
sick sentinel
i got hit with the stun, and then there was some kind of red arrow above me, and then i died pretty much
i took green to cursor
tropic gorge
sometimes you can tell a pug isn't gonna make it on the first pull
mighty valley
Don’t walk into sleep circle
tropic gorge
that creeping sob has caught me a few times ill admit
does it count when you cant see the ground from aoe effects
fickle arrow
How do you all handle Attumen shared suffering ability at 21+? Do you just have to cheese with immunities and build a group around it?
mortal brook
fickle arrow
Sure… but if you don’t phase he just casts again… which you can intervene I guess to range… but is that really our only option?
mortal brook
GS
lusty tiger
Gs?
mortal brook
but yeah go high enough and avoiding it will be best
guardian spirit from the hpriest
lusty tiger
O ya
mortal brook
yep, cheats can get overwhelmed
lusty tiger
Well you can’t soak it with mortal strike debuff
sick sentinel
hunter on 13 gd "im in awe of how much healing you do"
spiral warren
Did you leash him
sick sentinel
no, just priest a few times
it wasn't very clean at all, ate over 9000 what i assume to be a dirt/fire conal frontal triangle attack or a circle
and then, there is a cart with 2 packs, and some how both got pulled and that got ugly
final boss is really cool
sick sentinel
yeh, i take 25% less dmg for 30 seconds at the cost of the healer might die
safe thistle
just link the log youll know what killed you
sick sentinel
i have 1 better than logs, out played
just, rewind that shit back to instant shit started to go wrong, see exactly why
safe thistle
i dont even undeerstand what you try to say
sick sentinel
it records the game play as a movie
undone verge
GS only works if you pop cooldowns and it’s just not enough
At least 1 melee and just have a range or two run in
safe thistle
why do you even ask a question if you have the answer already then ? i dont even get it
undone verge
4 ppl soaking didn’t take any dmg, could prob solo it with shield wall and 2 IP stacks, shield wall by itself prob could as well tbh
Solod it with shield wall on tyran week
safe thistle
spell reflect reduce the dmg
undone verge
That too
sick sentinel
next time i go to run GD whats the thing in the train cars sets my gtfo off 10 million times
undone verge
It’s a 10% reduction so might be the difference
sick sentinel
like, what am i looking for to move out of
undone verge
next time i go to run GD whats the thing in the train cars sets my gtfo off 10 m...
Grimrail is aids just because of that one pack
safe thistle
plenty off things, grenade, fire aoe
undone verge
Before second boss
sick sentinel
the one that sets off GTFO dbm noises is thje one that kills me
safe thistle
check your feet and cc the gunner
sick sentinel
its on some kinda trash
fickle arrow
At least 1 melee and just have a range or two run in
Sounds like a good way to lose your dps one at a time
undone verge
Grenadiers do a frontal and another mob drops fire
safe thistle
normally we blast the gunner during a shockwave, int shout
undone verge
Sounds like a good way to lose your dps one at a time
How?
sick sentinel
hard for me to visualize whats going on in that fight from tank pov
mage is no problem, just stand 40 yards and send bolts
undone verge
3-4 soakers is more than enough to live it on a 21 fort
safe thistle
21 fort it doesnt hurt enought yet
undone verge
4 soakers on a 21 fort didn’t even do any damage to me
Or the dps
Did like 15k to them maybe
hollow zodiac
which one would you use ?
fickle arrow
Did like 15k to them maybe
Interesting. You have a log of this? I forgot to log my last 21 lower. So don’t have numbers unfortunately 😞
oblique garnet
which one would you use ?
the 298
mortal brook
couple hundo hps from the leech or a dozen dps from the 304
undone verge
Interesting. You have a log of this? I forgot to log my last 21 lower. So don’t ...
I’ll check didn’t log it though so maybe someone else did
safe thistle
you could kite the shared suffering too with a intervene , leap away
as long as your not in melee range he wont cast it
fickle arrow
you could kite the shared suffering too with a intervene , leap away
Yeah but keeps recasting unless you phase is the problem.
vestal moat
i dont get the point of kiting bc he simply recasts it if it doesnt hit anyone
safe thistle
on fort its not hard
vestal moat
and then your intervene and leap are down for the mext one
hollow zodiac
@oblique garnet @mortal brook thanks👍
vestal moat
in a coordinated group i would kite and have an immunity stand in to get hit
that does work.
undone verge
Interesting. You have a log of this? I forgot to log my last 21 lower. So don’t ...
its your lucky day
coral marsh
Is it possible for prot wars to solo soak shared suffering?
undone verge
yes
undone verge
ignore the fact that I was running ITF forgot to change it
low kindle
I don't think you can solo if you had MS debuff
vestal moat
youre almost guaranteed to have the ms debuff
safe thistle
it hit the fury and ele for close to 50k each time they didnt pop defensive
undone verge
thats value before absorbs
safe thistle
oh crap didnt removed absrob haha
coral marsh
I don't think i can solo soak at +20 just with wall or spellreflect.
oblique garnet
I don't think you can solo if you had MS debuff
you can
undone verge
I solo soaked 20 tyran with just SW
fickle arrow
here the specific link
So I’m reading your taking 90k ish a hit before defensives?
undone verge
with shield wall, on the 21 fort and my IP I took 5k dmg
fickle arrow
I’m kinda log stupid. Still learning sorry
undone verge
plus prob spell reflect
fickle arrow
How much is the others taking though? If you live but everyone else dies… not winning? 😅
coral marsh
how can i find an old fight on details?
sick sentinel
if you attempt to start a key with 4, or even 5 stacks of scars, it will reset like lust and other things correct?
like, so you just walk in and nuke a bunch of adsd
safe thistle
its the hit off the npc then it get spreaded or reduced
fickle arrow
Or 170k split?
undone verge
k so thats overall
safe thistle
the ability itself do 170k
fickle arrow
Gotcha that’s not NEARLY as bad as I thought it was
oblique garnet
neither you or your group wont die to group soaking on anything below 25
safe thistle
if you have shield wall you can survive that weasily with last stand together
as solo
i would keep that for in case nobody come soak
undone verge
and if your really worried fleshcraft during it
safe thistle
oh yah fleshcraft is stupidly strong with the 20% reduce dmg
you can still sprell refelct shield blockb efore casting
undone verge
either you complete cast and get a 60k absorb, or it goes off during cast and you take 20% reduced dmg on top of what absorb you already have
safe thistle
they nerfed opera again is it live
fickle arrow
Hey thanks for all your help guys backed with logs! Group was really worried that everyone just died if they soaked. Or they would say “well the BDK just ate it themselves”
safe thistle
yah bdk can solo soak np
fickle arrow
Yeah my response was “cool I’m not a BDK… so moving on”
safe thistle
i play both class and i like my war for the warlord dungeon
sick sentinel
the only thing dk can't do without externa profession is blood lust
safe thistle
grim rail is so fun as protwar
sick sentinel
and wear a sheild
fickle arrow
grim rail is so fun as protwar
What makes it more fun specifically?
sick sentinel
if a dk can wear a shield and cast blood lust i quit
safe thistle
you have more cc as port and the moboility help a lot
and theres more physical dmg in wrarlord dungeon overall than like karazhan
so shield block become even stronger
that huge guys in the train is so easy to tank as prot
sick sentinel
critical block is critically underrated
fickle arrow
that huge guys in the train is so easy to tank as prot
Yeah watching the big guy get to 20+ stacks because I forgot that only some classes soothe… but not caring because it tickled is a good feeling
safe thistle
yah my wife play bm hunter and does her tranq, but all the survival i saw never ever do it
sick sentinel
bm hunter is pretty easy if it didn't change too bad from bfa
safe thistle
bm dmg is solid on aoe and st situation
sick sentinel
bm hunter is amazing if the player has a brain, or can hit buttons, and its not dual exclusive or whatever
safe thistle
shadow priest are crazy now too but ppl dont even speak about it ?
sick sentinel
you just, macro your shots to tell pets to start attacking, and then the odd time gcd is free nothing to do you tell them to special attack or execute bite
safe thistle
they got a buff at start of s4 and now they are strong
the downside fof bm is that some fight the pet get bugged
sick sentinel
2 pets attacking, and autoshot, from 40 yards away, FD MD if you get aggro problems, turtle other bs away, life is good
hunter is like mage in that there is no bad hunter spec
fickle arrow
What’s your strat for mana wyrm in upper? Do you tank in the corner and soak as many as you can of the go, clear then rinse repeat?
Or let group sort it out?
undone verge
yolo, but thats a 20 so higher keys prob just the corner strat is best
easy to mess up tho
shut summit
What’s your strat for mana wyrm in upper? Do you tank in the corner and soak as ...
corner strat for people that can immune, ran out and played it normal when no immunes available
undone verge
but then you accidentally do it wrong and suddenly the boss is at 90% mana after one cast lol
definitely practice it before doing it on high keys
coral marsh
how can i make sure to not have the mortal strike effect on me before shared suffering?
shut summit
leap out / intervene to make sure the debuff fades
fickle arrow
leap out / intervene to make sure the debuff fades
Wait when do you do this? That seems huge to get rid of MS effect before
shut summit
when shared suffering is about to finish
he just recasts it afterwards if he doesnt mount up
coral marsh
why can you not just leap instantly he moves so slow
oblique garnet
yeah so you cancel shared suffering once and not actually leap/intervene when mortal strike is happening
coral marsh
i mean leap at start of shared suffering
shut summit
he isnt slow but feel free to find that out on your own
leaping last second has less chance of him driveby sniping your group too
coral marsh
and what if i leap, charge back and he mortal strikes again before 2nd shared suffering
is he always phased on that 2nd shared suffering then?
oblique garnet
if you cancel shared suffering he just starts recasing it not adding mortalstrikes or anything in between afaik
shut summit
and what if i leap, charge back and he mortal strikes again before 2nd shared su...
has never done that to me ever, literally just recasts shared suffering, sometimes he'll mount up sometimes he'll finish his cast
hollow zodiac
I tried the leap out only once, did it at the very end of the cast, and he just followed me and casted it again and killed me
oblique garnet
yeah since the phasing is on timer you can see if hes about to phase so you know its easy to just cancel shared suffering and save defensives
hollow zodiac
not sure if I was unlucky or how reliable the timing is
hollow zodiac
yeah since the phasing is on timer you can see if hes about to phase so you know...
it's always a fixed timer?
oblique garnet
ya
coral marsh
you can probably also nitro boost dodge him i guess
hollow zodiac
oh didn't know that
oblique garnet
well the burn phase is always the same time
hollow zodiac
so I guess you can know in advance if you can leap out by looking at bigwigs or something
oblique garnet
but its entirely dependant on your dps when you get to "burn" phase
coral marsh
on moroes i had the problem that the last add would suddenly aggro my healer before moroes reaches 60 % and instakill him
did the trap time out?
fickle arrow
did the trap time out?
All mobs are CC immune when Moroes is a 60%? Ish?
oblique garnet
could be cc expiring too
undone verge
when is ksh? thought it was 2400?
undone verge
Dumb as hell
mortal brook
🤷
coral marsh
do i need lower leap cooldown talent for attumen?
oblique garnet
no
vestal moat
No u cant leap twice in a row anyway for that phase and the TC talent has a lot of value in lower
mortal brook
what about with Leaper legendary
undone verge
Leaper leggo is bis
toxic pewter
leaper is love leaper is life
undone verge
in TRUE uncapped aoe
why cause its uncapped?
onyx vessel
oblique garnet
2k+ targets
only issue with this is that theres no way that amount of targets fits in the radius of heroic leap so cant even get the value from leaper
if you could snap sure, but then you wouldnt be able to use leap
undone verge
is there a way to save an instance so the skip remains open after everyone logs?
cause logging out in the instance wouldnt work
onyx vessel
Reprisal bis in prepatch tho
orchid frigate
OWS bis for m+ even considering all the haste we got from affix?
oblique garnet
Yup
orchid frigate
✅
coral marsh
how do i tank on the murlocs in first boss kara?
if i melee them to stack i just die to water bubbles
so i dont stack boss on them?
thorny stone
so i dont stack boss on them?
this is how we do it
and bubbles always go to rangeds
Try to move the murlocs closer to the center of the room so the DPS don't get hit by the waves and it's super easy
hollow zodiac
is it me or are spell reflect not listed as the warrior damage in logs for raid bosses?
I wanted to check obliteration arc damage I did yesterday on Dausegne but I can't find it, pretty sure I did a couple during the fight
strong forum
It doesn't count towards your dmg
Cuz it wasn't you who dealt the dmg
It's the mob dealing dmg to itself
It only shows up on details as your dmg cuz the author wrote it that way
woven torrent
hey, i was wondering if the shield from junkyard is bad compared to other normal shields at the same ilvl?
jagged pier
yes it is
sick sentinel
do you guys affix for haste as well? vampirs?, i dunno which stat you guys typically choose, i pick crit and mastery the least
blazing condor
errant sedge
Hey how good or bad is NF compared to Necro in 20-25Keys? Do you notice a big difference?
jagged pier
it wont matter but its around a 30% dps decrease and u loose a tone survivability more than 30%
errant sedge
For the 30% you need a Uptime to nearly 100% with necro? Or it is enough to reach for 60-80%?
drifting fable
you get the str buff whenever banner is active so youre incentivized to keep it up as long as you can. generally 80% in dungeons and 100% in raid, depending on the fight, are good goals
sick sentinel
same hold W route for gambit?
spiral warren
Yeah
hard knot
Hello all, been having issues with the Mediv fight. He seems to destroy me mid figth. Can anyone share some info on how to approach this encounter.
uneven mason
Hello all, been having issues with the Mediv fight. He seems to destroy me mid f...
Spell reflect the last ticknof arcane missiles
Use cd liberally
Wear your brown pants
sick sentinel
main pain point i have in gambit is the double pull after first boss
got that stupid water lift spell for one. hurts.
tropic gorge
I like the pulls in gambit. I don't like dps that don't try to kill runners tho.
sick sentinel
the 2 final guys before final boss solo dudes that shoot the thingy, those can suck to double pull as well
tropic gorge
That one can be tough
sick sentinel
can't risk it in un-coordinated pugs, easily
wintry nymph
yesterday i had a group of dps that refused to hit the totem
damn that was a fucked up run
lean summit
Hey, I'm not really a tank player, but prot warrior has always been my favorite to heal and just the most thematically appealing. I have to ask, why does it seem so much better now? I have felt them struggling all expansion in keys, but recently their damage intake feels way better.
wintry nymph
Hey, I'm not really a tank player, but prot warrior has always been my favorite ...
i guess since 4 set + necrolord legendary makes them really tanky if played properly
jagged pier
we already were tanky if played correctly
lean summit
Someone was saying something about ignore pain buffs
jagged pier
no
thats has nothing to do with it
can be necro lord for sure
but also the scaling of this season is just less things dont hit as hard etc
so it covers the bad play more
lean summit
Ah, gotcha
strong forum
The base issue of SL has been unfavourable dungeon design and the fact that it's much harder to play for the average Joe. It relied more on a well playing group than other tanks to a certain degree
Pwar was decently ever since the reprisal rework back in 9.0.5
But with 4pc + necrolord it got a huge chunk of power to address our weaknesses
jagged pier
well my point was nome majority for warrior we do see dont get that benefit near enough as they should
strong forum
Yes, l2p is the biggest thing for pwar
jagged pier
so its a combination of a few things
strong forum
The skill floor is just alot higher than other tanks
blazing condor
my friends calling me an elitist because i dont advocate for cheat death trinkets and high vers on pwarr 
because "the goal is to stay alive so why go against that"
jagged pier
then they arent your friends
uneven mason
The skill floor is just alot higher than other tanks
Hey now I heard vdh and brm are super complex now, they've got 2 buttons
strong forum
Call him an elitist for saying that he thinks those are needed
strong forum
Hey now I heard vdh and brm are super complex now, they've got 2 buttons
It's funny how every tank got easier with tierset and double leggo, except pwar, pwar got harder
blazing condor
its more like "why wouldn't you if you need it" and i say "sure play how you want, but just know its not needed if you play properly"
strong forum
Need is a strong word
uneven mason
my friends calling me an elitist because i dont advocate for cheat death trinket...
Literally those things carry an opportunity cost in all proper gameplay situations that increase your risk of death
strong forum
My main argument against cheat death trinkets is "playing cheat death is planning for failure"
blazing condor
its like never taking off training wheels from your bike because then you'll never fall
but ur never gonna learn how to bike properly
uneven mason
Legit only cheat death I ever used was al'ar annd that was to troll my melee by trying to kill them in trivial content
lofty widget
if youre not maximizing dmg before survivability then what are you even doing
limit test with max dps setup then go back from there
strong forum
I only use cheat in JY cuz you can get wombo'd in gunker area pretty easily
viral flume
I like cheat death trinkets in pug keys where there won't be communication on stops and not knowing what the healer plans on doing, but in a coordinated team always push that dam
strong forum
And losing bots is just not worth
What even is the context @blazing condor
Like what key levels
blazing condor
in general
strong forum
Que
blazing condor
like context is just principally
strong forum
That's a really dumb argument then
blazing condor
if cheat deaths and playing for survivability is good or nah
obviously you wanna survive but like, min/max damage AND surviving
instead of just turtling
lofty widget
surviving is just playing well 
uneven mason
Stacking vers was a meme thing that happened in late BFA and has refused to die
uneven mason
Every stat makes us take less damage
viral flume
Haste crit best stats change my mind
uneven mason
Haste crit best stats change my mind
Why would we
strong forum
Nothing to change
lofty widget
best is whatever my sim tells me
strong forum
viral flume
I wish pwar mastery was cooler, but just block harder
lofty widget
im gonna troll and gem mastery i think
viral flume
If you aren't goblin or gnome do you even wow
uneven mason
I wish pwar mastery was cooler, but just block harder
Read it again, the real gem is the AP buff
viral flume
Every tank gets that tho with mastery don't they
uneven mason
It's still there
viral flume
Imagine MoP vengeance buff in m+
uneven mason
Imagine MoP vengeance buff in m+
viral flume
Tanks would be top dam easily
uneven mason
I mean we had that in bfa
viral flume
I only came back end of bfa, on a hpal 😦
uneven mason
No one could touch prot war for m+ dmg
uneven mason
We were also insanely hard to play
Relied on cycling rage fast enough to reduce major CDs to below 1 min
Because we e had massive gaps in SB uptime
Also, ranged shit was unblockable so it trucked us
Our skill floor was in a castle floating in the stratosphere meanwhile you had brm who could literally not press buttons and not die.
strong forum
Aside from lack of OP dmg output and being dumbfuck easy to play
Pwar is pretty giga right now
kindred crypt
does warrior tank also play jaithys/gavel?
toxic pewter
Wat
tropic gorge
I mean you probably could. I think revenge can be used with a 2h
Why you would, however is a totally different subject
tropic gorge
Lol
toxic pewter
Sword and board baby
kindred crypt
Yeah idk, not online and was wondering if an easy switch from fury to prot was easy xD
toxic pewter
Could be if you go single minded fury
toxic pewter
It’s the pure fury spec
kindred crypt
Could be if you go single minded fury
Then the 2h weapons wouldn’t be a problem xD
toxic pewter
I’m anti 2h fury myself
kindred crypt
But thank you for the answers:3
uneven mason
It’s the pure fury spec
TG has been the fury standard longer than 1h
Just saying that smf is the wrong direction
What they need to do is just give prot 2h with shield
tropic gorge
I remember players wanting 2h fury dual weild in vanilla. I remember og vanilla 2h fury with the untamed blade also. And titans grip
uneven mason
And eliminate the need for 1h on warriors
tropic gorge
2h dw fury was in high demand for a hot minute
I don't know, the fantasy aspect of sword and board is kind of awesome. And dk is a 2h tank already
uneven mason
Let dk dual wield tank like they used to
tropic gorge
My dk buddy agrees with that. He hates that blood is now tank and frost isn't
But he also took a multi year break
sick sentinel
i took a end of panda, all of wod, and all of legion long break
uneven mason
I have a deep seated dislike for smf because of cataclysm
sick sentinel
didn't play for 24 hours that entire time
tropic gorge
Wod was fun for me. I got aotc on the first raid tier while guild less using lfg
uneven mason
They couldn't make tg and smf work blanced against each other so they just turned fury to a pile of dogshit and were like "LOOK ARMS IS TOP DPS, go play that"
sick sentinel
https://tenor.com/view/math-calculate-confusing-figure-out-gif-6237717
overthinking it greatly lol
i didn't play for more than 24 hours, in the years that i took a break, as listed above
kindred crypt
And eliminate the need for 1h on warriors
I wasn’t wrong I was just revolutionary 
cinder nova
So I have two Logic Loops of Recursion. Both have sockets, but the 298 one has leech. The other is just a plain w/e socket 304
sick sentinel
this implies 2h+ shield or gun/bow + shield, both sound extremely uncomfortable
kindred crypt
Na
kindred crypt
Sounds fine
urban portal
definitely leech
strong forum
Wellll tertiaries usually don't equate to regular stats
urban portal
ye
still would trade 10 secondaries for 57 speed anyday
dont think ill notice the 0.1% haste
dire tulip
Has this season felt super terrible to pug in M+? Like 15s last season were ok and this season, it has just been the worst.
toxic pewter
Im having more fun this season than the past the past 3 seasons
Just glad shadowlands dungeons are a thing of past, never to return, a distant memory
toxic pewter
dont think ill notice the 0.1% haste
I actually have this exact problem, gloves with speed on them and like 8 less haste
toxic pewter
I am wearing the higher haste ones atm
urban portal
especially on tank
sturdy sable
Id probably take the movement speed tbh
toxic pewter
I prob cant tell difference from .32% haste
sturdy sable
.3% is like
toxic pewter
so little
sturdy sable
Just glad shadowlands dungeons are a thing of past, never to return, a distant m...
Until curse of the old gods or what ever they call patch 11.0
chrome falcon
Has this season felt super terrible to pug in M+? Like 15s last season were ok a...
People don’t know the dungeons as well as they did after 18 months of playing them
raw oracle
Yeah, but if you know the dungeons well enough, usually you can still manipulate the situation enough to carry a 15 enough that as long as the other players exist, you’re timing it.
Only weeks it can be a little sus is tyr on certain bosses where you can’t accommodate the same way. Or upper in general when people can’t not stack or stay still on flame wreath
coral marsh
i just had a +20 attumen where i heroic leap shared, charge back, he does mortal strike and then again shared instead of phasing
how is that fair
i thought he can only cast once after shared before phasing
drifting fable
he will keep trying to cast it until he either successfully gets it off on someone or if he phases
which is when the horse gets to full
its like 30 seconds or something iirc
for a phase
drifting fable
couldve been like 1s difference on timing or something who knows
if he starts casting it he probably doesnt stop to phase
hell just do it after
chrome falcon
He does stop to phase mid cast
drifting fable
just unlucky then
coral marsh
i just timed a +20 lower kara with 10 secs remaining
finally done all
fukin cancer dungeon
south zealot
yall hear about the queen?
coral marsh
proof you dont need 4 set to time all dungeons on +20
south zealot
how do you even do 20s without having your tier
like how do you do that many dungeons
coral marsh
i used only 2 set
south zealot
and not convert your pieces
edgy grail
its only 8 dungeons isnt it?
south zealot
8 dungeons at +20
unless you just started soing 20s immediately with no prior prep work you should be able to just tier all your youe
urban portal
you can definitely do 20s without 4 set
coral marsh
i just wanted to save my currency for pvp
and 4set isnt that strong from what i see?
2 set is but 4 set
south zealot
you can definitely do 20s without 4 set
ik u possibly can
but like why?
just tier your items
coral marsh
i mean 4 set is just one ip every minute and 10 % dmg a bit
urban portal
every 45 seconds at this point
and 10+ DR
10% dr and 10% damage
you have like a 60% uptiem on avatar or something
but 2 is definitely more impactful
cobalt seal
any ilvl upgrade in shield in decent
strong forum
All you care about on your shield is ilvl
So going from 288 to 304 is quite massive
hoary jackal
Quick question. does spell reflect work on Dausagne in Sepulcher? Can you prevent death from the arcs if i spell reflect one of them?
strong forum
Use the shield and find out
sour junco
but
strong forum
Hint, it's bad
sour junco
So you never use the proc?
strong forum
Pmuch keep it in defensive mode 90%++ of the time
The shield is quite substantial but you can only use it every 3 minutes
distant crystal
jagged pier
@chrome falcon
dire tulip
Is enforcers stun grenade any good? It is 20% vers on a 2 minute CD. It seems pretty decent for damage and on demand Dr
urban portal
It’s ok
dire tulip
It isn't defense matrix good, but it seems to be a good filler
jagged pier
its the second best dungoen trinket which means very litter
dire tulip
It helps some. There are a few burn phases in raids that deal damage at same time.
urban portal
It’s 10% dr
But yeah
It’s good on like lords of dread
It’s just that prot warrior doesn’t burst hard enough
Our damage is relatively flat except at execute
jagged pier
your should check DF channel for pre patch 👀
dire tulip
We did lords of dread, rygalon, and jailer and I have done those as monk and DH and t
Prit warrior gelt so incredibly better than those two
sick sentinel
what happens to my 4/5 stack of scars if i attempt to start a key
my plan is to set it to 4 , or 5 if the first pack is very close to start, run in with bomb on head
jagged pier
u loose them
sick sentinel
lame, but i figured as much
sick sentinel
i wonder about leash buff now, if i can pre-leash a target before starting key
modern brook
PIN READERS LETS GOOOOOOOOO
kindred crypt
na man, I asked first and then read pin, still not intelligent move xd
modern brook
Still better than avg
kindred crypt
that´s what I tell myself every night :<
modern brook
dire tulip
Is the wall worth taking? I am not very fond of the charging legendary the more I play it
kindred crypt
<3
patent osprey
Is the wall worth taking? I am not very fond of the charging legendary the more ...
Its worth it in Upper
kindred crypt
I heard old warriors soul got nerfed a time ago, still worth taking as prot? pin says yes but the pin is quite old
lofty widget
yes it's still very strong
kindred crypt
thanks 
dire tulip
I heard old warriors soul got nerfed a time ago, still worth taking as prot? pin...
It is incredible. On top of an str trinket. You can easily get 250 haste out of it and the healing a party member is just extra goodness
kindred crypt
Thanks
urban portal
its your best damage trinket
lofty widget
pins are usually always up to date
tropic gorge
Ows is my next tank trinket. I took the aegis as my first for a major ilvl upgrade
I think I should have probably gone ows first but what's done is done
kindred crypt
Idk if I am ever going to take a tank trinket, somehow I never needed them when I was tanking
dire tulip
Aegis is my second trinket although I really like enforcers stun grenade. I don't know if I need much more defense honestly. Prot warriors are incredibly sturdy right now
uneven mason
More than I expected
Prot slaps, bit of a learning curve to be a brick train though
kindred crypt
Improving is part of the fun
Would suck if you were done after a few keys
And knowing a few spell reflect cases is already a lot of fun
tropic gorge
Revenge dumps into big packs = lolz dps
rotund sluice
is aegis the 2nd best dinar option behind OWS if I'm not raiding to get upgrades?
drifting fable
id say rdm more
more versatile trinket and aegis is only really better at super high keys
safe thistle
what you guys think
didnt they said devastator will be come baseline or just devastate ?
ahh should had wrote trhat in dragonflight my bad haha
rotund sluice
more versatile trinket and aegis is only really better at super high keys
i'm probably only gonna do +25s i'm guessing on my warrior. i have a soleahs which i figure is a decent all around option. I'm not sure how that would compare with a 278 RDM
sick sentinel
is upper problematic this week
drifting fable
hmm might sim that one. RDM does provide healing that soleahs wont but not sure how the normal scaling is
sonic crag
Numbers wise for 25 and below, RDM wins. But some people like having a panic button in Aegis.
To me, Aegis is competitve only if I use it correctly. RDM is competitve and is purely passive.
drifting fable
pretty good summation
rotund sluice
ya that makes total sense. I think the other consideration is just how does 278RDM compare to 298 soleah w/ haste
drifting fable
if you end up getting rdm can just take it for a whirl in a dungeon and see how much healing a normal one does and go from there
dps wise unsure
rotund sluice
ya its very easy to check logs and see the effect of RDM. its harder to quantify the dps and healing added from more haste of soleah
rotund sluice
i'll try a couple keys with both and just see how it feels. my gut tells me that if i can keep banner uptime without the soleah haste then RDM will win but if i need the haste to keep up banner then RDM's benefit won't outweight banner downtime
mellow bridge
Very doubtful that the soleah haste will be the deciding factor in your banner uptime
sonic crag
You can sim yourself with an upgraded versus 288 So Leah's
Also, the tangible benefits of RDM include defense and damage. More haste arguably does that too, just not as directed
worn vector
hi, I'm a little new to prot warrior, currently attempting to gear in +10s range at 270 ilvl. I'm feeling extremely volatile compared to other tanks I've played and tend to fall over quickly when pulling multiple packs at a time, or when fighting Zul'gamux. Is there a metric you generally look for on prot to gauge competency, as I'm not sure whether I'm somehow playing with less than competent healers all the time or the issue is with me, and I'm not sure what to identify
typically as paladin/dk/bear I'd look to my hps/shields but I recognise that doesn't really work with war
should note my tanking experience is predominantly on paladin, but I feel I can play guardian and brewmaster to a a competent degree
strong forum
Blocked melee hits %
Banner uptime
Cpm and dps are generally the things we look at
worn vector
How does one see block value? Details doesn't seem to parse it
worn vector
don't have access to logs as I'm doing keys
strong forum
You can log keys
worn vector
i see details has an avoidance tab but it doesn't seem to work
strong forum
Doesn't work for block as block isn't avoidance
worn vector
seems to show info regarding block but fair enough regardless
i've never tried logging myself but I'll give it a shot and possibly be back
strong forum
Without logs I can only give blanket answers like:
-make sure to actually hit your rotational buttons on CD, very popular for people to onl feel like they hit it on CD
- not using reprisal enough
- not using CDs
- not kicking
- overspending and overcapping rage at the same time
worn vector
...actually that's a lie on my part i use fflogs all the time and it's literally the same thing... i should be able to make this work
strong forum
Pwar is much harder to play than any other tank and is not very well equipped to deal with misplay
worn vector
Yeah, I just feel I'm making some fatal misunderstanding of sb+ip that's wrecking me
strong forum
Well
If you play optimally, you cast alot of IP just for the sake of not overcapping rage
Just to give you some rough overall details numbers
SB uptime can be North of 85%
Ip uptime can be North of 95%
And thats just numbers for someone focusing on dmg
worn vector
...ah.
strong forum
The goal of warrior is generating and spending as much rage as humanly possible
The entire class revolves around that
Which is why it's also 15-20cpm faster than other tanks
worn vector
yeah, i've just been caught off guard by how incompetent I feel on it
strong forum
Yeah it's quite the opposite of brew and guardian
worn vector
considering I feel comfy as heck on paladin for sake of example
i know I don't have as much ilvl yet on warrior but I'm sure I shouldn't be fighting for my life as much as I am
in 10s, no less...
strong forum
Absolutely not no
With 270 you should be fine in 15s with proper play
But
If you're doing sub 15 keys, chances are excruciatingly high that your group isn't gonna do you any favours either
worn vector
and again like, it could be nothing and the problem is coincidentally all the pug healers I've been playing with
but I don't have the metrics or spec confidence to say that for certain
and the last thing i want is to be That Guy
strong forum
Nah you shouldn't really need to rely healers in those key ranges
strong forum
It's more the dps than the healers
worn vector
yeah, very much used to being 'healer optional' as paladin...
edgy grail
Certainly can’t do any crazy pulls or anything but more than fine to time 15s
strong forum
Like in my comp i don't play with a healer at all
So yeah, get some logs, work on your buttons pressing (it's guaranteed gonna be that) and come back for actual insight beyond generics 
worn vector
yeah, appreciate the time. i'll come back with something productive
edgy grail
How do you guys deal with dispell mechanics? Just use CDs? @strong forum
edgy grail
Kujo is spicy
strong forum
Any other debuff in the game doesn't really matter
And 4 of us are dwarves anyway
So if there's something spicy, we dwarf it off
strong forum
But s4 dungeons have basically no scary debuffs compared to s1-s3
So dwarf isn't nearly as useful as it was there
Plaguefall alone has had more debuffs than all of s4 dungeons combined that are worth to dwarf
undone verge
I feel like certain dungeons you have to run a healer tho
like upper
medivh and mana devo are going to wreck your dps
mellow bridge
Nome plays 5 tanks 
undone verge
that explains it
strong forum
Medivh doesn't finish a single cast and dk practically solos mana devourer cuz they're very balanced
But yes, in s4 your group is in alot more danger of dying to "random" mechanics than the tank
edgy grail
medivh and mana devo are going to wreck your dps
He also doesnt play with any dps tho 😂
strong forum
S4 is much more of a dps and group survival check than a tank survival check
So our solution to that problem is, take the dps survival out of the equation and only deal with the dps checks by just going with 5 tanks 
strong forum
Multiple dks is inting
undone verge
roll with 5 dps
strong forum
More than 1 is just inefficient
strong forum
You bring pwar for the dmg, reflect and block on scary mobs
Vdh for aoe dmg and silence/purge
Pally for utility/offheals and avengers shield
Bdk cuz bdk, but requires to actually get hit frequently to deal dmg
Bear would be nice in lower Fort weeks to remove entire pulls instantly but ah well
Monk is terrible for 5tank
cobalt seal
2nd warrior it was
worn vector
me again. Am I doing anything glaringly badly in this key? It felt largely comfy but
- it was literally a 9
- still got hectic on a couple of pulls, namely right at the start and on the packs before Hooktail
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/V7Bc4qFjv1W98daJ/
chrome falcon
that link doesn't go anywhere
cobalt seal
he has the log set to private
mellow bridge
@worn vector make your log public 🙂
worn vector
oh. frick
i forgor
edited
sorry, forgot the difference between private and unlisted
worn vector
and that... affects my survivability? not sure i understand
worn vector
hi, I'm a little new to prot warrior, currently attempting to gear in +10s range...
referring back here
chrome falcon
oh ok never saw any of that
but yes both of those things impact your survivability
necrolord is significantly tankier
anyway
you blocked 75% of hits which is fine but also it was only a 9 so everything should die quite quickly so blocks should be more like 85+
you charged 29 times in 26 minutes, considering you could be charging 3x per minute you should be closer to 70+ charges
your intervene casts are better, you're intervening roughly once per minute, but that's still low considering you can theoretically intervene twice per minute
you cast last stand more times than you cast shield wall
which is pretty insane since shield wall is roughly half the cooldown and SIGNIFICANTLY stronger
(you're also not running the last stand conduit which is a mistake)
you're running multiple arms conduits
booming voice is much stronger defensively than best served cold
you used 31 outbursts on thunderclap and 21 on shield slam
it should be more like 40 on shield slam and 10 on thunderclap
but you're running UF (which is incorrect, ravager is better) so i understand why you did that
you wasted almost 600 rage which could have all been IPs which would be more outbursts, more avatars, and more shield walls
so yeah
sick sentinel
ill echo what hesays about use more sw
sooner you use it, means less time between thenext one because of am
chrome falcon
- start playing necrolord because it is significantly stronger
- charge more to get more rage and shield block uptime
- spend more rage
- spend outbursts on shield slam, not thunderclap
- stop playing unstoppable force, start playing ravager
- if you're struggling with zulgamux it's your healers fault for no dispelling you, but you can spell reflect one application of her debuff per 20 seconds
sick sentinel
when and what is interupt final boss gambit
wipe, healer says interupt, deplete complete
chrome falcon
the adds
that teleport
their cast is a 1 shot insta wipe
i dunno how you uhhh
i dunno how you don't know that but yeah
oh and 7)
even if you don't swap to necrolord
please don't play arms conduits
sick sentinel
i dont know alot of things
so im looking at it now its called shuriken blitz, just gotta work out if its the small adds that do it
i blame i deleted kick and reflect wa's
chrome falcon
nope
those WAs were the problem to begin with
you never learned what any of the mechanics actually do because you just did what someone elses' weakaura told you
chrome falcon
so im looking at it now its called shuriken blitz, just gotta work out if its t...
i literally just told you that it's the small adds that do it
sick sentinel
waiting on the ui patch so i can ditch tukui tbh
they can be stunned? swave and stomp (racial normal cow) still aint unlocked high mountain
sick sentinel
i literally just told you that it's the small adds that do it
thought it may be something boss does while it spawns adds, possibly, i just play the game and something goes wrong i try to ask what happened
boss immune to stuns, so id have to have another plan if that was true
worn vector
so yeah
noted, the conduits were more an oversight due to having just got off arms
rest is food for thought, ty
daring ivy
I want to start tanking but hate the reprisal play style so i'm going to play with seismic. i'm just looking to get KSM and maybe try for 20s for the portals. how much will I struggle without reprisal?
pallid quiver
Well, Reprisal is literally directly the band-aid fix for you ability to not die lasting as long as you need it to, so I'd wager it'd probably feel pretty rough
The biggest benefit of reprisal is really the extra shield block time
It's 100% able to be done
it'll just feel bad
daring ivy
Well, Reprisal is literally directly the band-aid fix for you ability to not die...
Im gonna send seismic for now and see how it feels. if i'm really struggling i'll swap over. thanks for the answer!
chrome falcon
playing with seismic feels absolutely rancid
reprisal is just infinitely stronger
but you could full clear 15s with no covenant, no tier, and no legendaries
daring ivy
playing with seismic feels absolutely rancid
really? how come is it just lack of survivability
chrome falcon
much lower rage generation
much lower SB uptime
fucks your banner
fucks your block
and banner/block uptime are what this entire class is built to do
daring ivy
ahh gotcha well like i said i'll try it out and just go back if i hate it. leggos are cheap enough
pallid quiver
in other news, all tanks are shit except for bdks, they can't even do 15s, ask random key holder #452
i thought the content creators hyped the shit out of us why am i getting declined from groups left and right again
pallid quiver
well, i found a group
i, uh, saw some pump today from a couple of survival hunters
it's been a hot minute since i've felt almost entirely pointless
undone verge
in other news, all tanks are shit except for bdks, they can't even do 15s, ask r...
I got removed from a 20 upper Kara this week because I wasn’t a bdk
pallid quiver
one of these days i'll bother to gear up my bdk
it'll probably be next expac to be honest
but wow, it's wild seeing how hard people listen to the meta on everything
even more specifically content creators on it or something
i dunno i don't know how this all works
kindred crypt
Imma tell you how it works:
You Queue up to the key
5 secs later he changes the title into a BDK/PRIEST
You look again
Yes, it is a +5 JY
You are disappointed and start wondering what’s wrong with the world
Because some dude on the internet said that bdk is 0.1% superior
pallid quiver
i need to just start doing 5 tank keys
kindred crypt
+5 was just an example cause I happen to remember it
5 JY and dude goes full meta
Priest, bdk, lock sv and fire mage
frigid plume
ya but if he knew enough about the game to know better he wouldn't be stuck doing +5s
kindred crypt
That’s also a point of people not inviting off meta
People just read meta is that, don’t get explained at what keylevel and what situation etc
And now they only want meta, cause everyone does negative dps 
Till 20-25 you see it pretty rarely tho
Starting from there is does becomes more often the way to go for people, still pugable tho
pallid quiver
+5 was just an example cause I happen to remember it
by 5 i mean all tanks
not the level of the key
warm plinth
@potent anvil hi friend, I hope you are well today
potent anvil
<@95652243235143680> hi friend, I hope you are well today
I am, ty friend. 
shut summit
potent anvil
Sense, I use RDM as bdk
But don't laugh at me for playing bdk
dawn canyon
Deadwind rising
shut summit
play wat you want, dont matta
potent anvil
warm plinth
Sense here too ❤️ Hi friend, hope you are well too!
shut summit
i am, same for you
dire tulip
Why is the wall legendary not suggested more? I struggle with 2 minute banners and I just did a 4:30 banner like it was nothing with the wall over reprisal
mortal brook
sounds like figure out whats the problem while reprisal
dire tulip
I do not like reprisal. It is tough to use in some situations. The wall is just so much easier and smoother.
urban portal
Sure why not
shut summit
that again is a you problem, reprisal is just better
urban portal
Play what you like
shut summit
wall can do shit fine just not as good as reprisal, so reprisal is recommended
south zealot
Why is the wall legendary not suggested more? I struggle with 2 minute banners a...
the wall isnt suggeste dmore bc reprisal is objectively better in 99% of situations
ionic fern
This is one of those times where you put a heavy disclaimer:
"REPRISAL IS ONLY BETTER IF YOU PLAY IT PROPERLY".
dire tulip
I suck with reprisal I think. I am not doing high end content. Just my 15-20s and heroic bosses and the wall may be my go too.
dawn canyon
If it was earlier in the expansion id say learn reprisal
urban portal
^
dawn canyon
But like.. It's not in DF nor is SL here for long
dawn canyon
Although admittedly wall doesnt change gameplay as much as repri does
dire tulip
I saw somewhere it was mentioned wall shield walls the party. Is that true? It isn't in the tool tip
dire tulip
Ah OK.
I was able to slam shield wall nearly every pull and multiple times a boss fight. It was actually pretty fun
ionic fern
Know what else is pretty fun?
Getting a ton of rage/damage from Reprisal.
dawn canyon
You can also do that with reprisal but it's work
ionic fern
While also still keeping SW on a relatively low CD.
dawn canyon
More rage = more am
austere onyx
i just got my second set bonus as tank, is that good?
dawn canyon
Yes
urban portal
Eh to be fair
The rage gen from reprisal isn’t that much more impressive than the wall
It’s like 5-10% looking at senses log
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> hi ily
Good morning Ghash.
warm plinth
Morning my friend. How are you doing
austere onyx
so im changing my action bars and keybinds up, wich abilities is the one prot only uses
and the less used once
dawn canyon
Revenge shieldslam ignore pain are your main 3
Keybinds are a personal thing just mess with it till it makes sense for you
austere onyx
Yeah im aware of the keybinds, i just dont want to keybinds ability thats not used or thats not important
austere onyx
will i ever use whirlwind in prot?
austere onyx
why yyou lieeee
jaunty pollen
Can you solo farm Stratholme as a prot warrior?
Im trying at 70, and I can easily delete the mobs. But they do hit me, and it does hurt. Fresh 70, maybe itll be easier with full Brut gear. Shrug?
dawn canyon
Not this expansion
This is me wondering abt the big slam/ww + put them on a CD node, doubt it's good for pwar
dawn canyon
Can you solo farm Stratholme as a prot warrior?
Im trying at 70, and I can easil...
Im sure the folks in the classic equivalent of this discord can help, youll find the invite link pinned in #mop-discussion
jaunty pollen
Appreciate it
austere onyx
dude there is just to many abilities
dawn canyon
Just wait till u see Outlaw's spellbook
Or feral druid (so many buttons and they all suck)
austere onyx
Shield slam, ignore pain, shield block, devestate, dragon roar, shockwave, covenant, execute, edemor shout, rallying cry, spell reflect, intevene, charge, last stand, avatar, thunder clap, revenge. Its way more then i ever seen on other tanks
dawn canyon
Devastate and droar arent gna be used
austere onyx
why not
dawn canyon
Because you always run devastator talent that replaces it
Same goes for dragon roar, other options are way better
dawn canyon
Id recommend that you check out the wowhead guide
It covers a lot of this very well
Far better than i can
dawn canyon
Yep that's the guide
austere onyx
thanks
ionic fern
Morning my friend. How are you doing
Doing fine - can't wait for the weekend.How about you?
uncut dome
How are we thinking DF is gonna play out for US both as tanks and dps?
austere onyx
nvm found it
dawn canyon
How are we thinking DF is gonna play out for US both as tanks and dps?
Check out the dragonflight channels
austere onyx
Devestation as a filler, even the guide says it should be used?
ionic fern
Huh?
austere onyx
ionic fern
No.
Well, i guess if you don't take Devastator. BUT YOU SHOULD ALWAYS TAKE DEVASTATOR.
austere onyx
the talent right
kindred crypt
Yes
austere onyx
ill give it a shot ^^
kindred crypt
Removes a button from your keys
austere onyx
nothing better then that
strong forum
Devastator grants you more shield slam resets, thus more rage, thus more revenge/IP casts and so on
strong forum
https://i.imgur.com/su85YzL.png
And that row only shows up if you don't setup the talent inside the rotation guide
If you select devastator on wowhead above this rotation, it'll remove devastate from the list
wintry nymph
for m+ / dungeons you take ravager over into the fray usually
for raid into the fray is goo
d
the rest seems good
austere onyx
i will do mostly m+
wintry nymph
its not that bad : )
austere onyx
but i checked a youtube video, wich says "charge, thunderclap, and revenge" is enough to keep agro
wintry nymph
you'll get the hang of it
shieldblock usually bit more important to press than thunderclap
still keep pressing it though
uh
shield slam
mean
austere onyx
lets say if yhou are in gambit
the first packs, you want alot of agro on all those mobs
wintry nymph
yes
wintry nymph
ravager
helps a lot there
and you can always use challenging shout if you really need it
austere onyx
so maybe put ravager on the first pack, charge to the next pack and thunderclap and shockwave the next
dawn canyon
and you know, dpsers start dpsing before tanks get them together
Let them die
ionic fern
Stop overcomplicating it.
Aggro is not that much of a issue as long as you press your buttons properly.
dawn canyon
That's the way they learn
ionic fern
Ravager->Charge->TC/Revenge
Charge->TC/Revenge
Doesn't matter. All of them will get you aggro as long as you hit all of the enemies.
austere onyx
mwah i aam complicating it, because the guide terlls you to open with charge, vatar demorolizing
austere onyx
hell, ill just go in an try and error
mortal brook
A devastating combo to be sure
warm plinth
TheSteve is a devastating combo
jagged pier
A devastating combo to be sure
https://tenor.com/view/surprise-welcome-one-sure-gif-13921142 everytime steve shows up
dawn canyon
Gif war 
dawn canyon
The yellows/blues/oranges here are that color for a reason
austere onyx
TY For the help people
warm plinth
well...let's not go that far
austere onyx
wow, not using devestator ability was so like, confusing, but i managed to keep agro ^^
jagged pier
aggro isnt an issue in classic ither
austere onyx
it was just a timewalking dung, magister terrence.. The biggest issue is that people keept pulling stuff so i had a hard time gathering
wintry nymph
w/e
austere onyx
but i guess thats not my fault, thats theirs right?
dawn canyon
unlike in classic or something, aggro is not the issue in current m+
It makes my dps warrior life hell but at least I dont need a threat meter
austere onyx
victory rush, usefull?
dawn canyon
Yes
austere onyx
austere onyx
https://i.imgur.com/0N1xerS.png is this useable for tanking tho
jagged pier
yer its okay
strong forum
Is better than soleahs, so yeah it's a solid statstick
austere onyx
i had fury as loot when i used my timewalking weekly quest, but i guess its better then a 236 trinket
delicate kraken
Trinket makes you cry
Tfw there was a trinket that had some dude talking to you and telling you not use him as a battery
austere onyx
lol
delicate kraken
Can't remember the name of it
austere onyx
Question: What make you enjoy tanking more then dps?
uncut dome
Question: What make you enjoy tanking more then dps?
That I control the pace of the pulling and I feel quite impact full by enabling my DPS to pump through big pulls.
mortal brook
because i never want to gamble that there might be a bad tank in the run. i want to guarantee it by being the bad tank 👍
austere onyx
cant argue on that lol
delicate kraken
Question: What make you enjoy tanking more then dps?
Really just boils down to playstyle for me, I like the idea of tanking fundamentally. Being the guy who takes all the hits and in most cases the decision maker.
austere onyx
good stuff. What makes you think a group is viable for a big pull? do you demand that on your first pull?
delicate kraken
I would say in the average pug group I'd feel out a few pulls and see how they move
If things are being interrupted and crowd control is being done nicely, then I usually op for bigger pulls
In a way shows they are capable of more
But not always
Sometimes it just depends on the dungeon
austere onyx
If you think about gambit, atleast the first part until the first boss, thats more of a dps /healing check right?
delicate kraken
More of interrupts and cc check
Fishsticks, the murcloc warcrys
Pufferfish
Idk how often people pull the giants but usually 1 at a time is fine and doesn't warrant much issues
Obviously dps matters but you save a lot more time preventing problematic casts from going off
heavy hawk
Question: I curently have 39% haste... probobly to much. I mostly do Mythic+. Should i work on chaging that to vers or crit or is it fine and just pick a diferent stat in M+ buff?
cobalt seal
Question: I curently have 39% haste... probobly to much. I mostly do Mythic+. Sh...
sim
mellow bridge
and you always pick haste affix
mighty valley
The buff from the affix is flat %, not rating, so it’s not hit by DR — and scales really well with high haste
tropic gorge
good stuff. What makes you think a group is viable for a big pull? do you demand...
I'm of the opinion that most of the time you can tell what the dps is capable of doing after 1 to 2 pulls.
To use gambit as the example, if that first pull + the pat isn't melted quickly, doing massive pulls may not be a good idea etc
I had a 16 Kara lower wed night. Pulled the first ghost and it took a good bit to kill it. I knew the run was fucked
marsh plover
I've heard of pwar's that thought you only used revenge with procs, but I found one in the wild that didn't use revenge at all. They also had UF, ITF, and HR. Aoe threat was nonexistent.
marsh plover
blazing condor
imagine my shock
marsh plover
I definitely asked them to visit.
Pretty good survival tech really, just have the Ret tank all the trash.
tropic gorge
Sometimes people think what they are doing is working and is just fine. Takes being exposed to others doing it differently or better to change