Looking at those specs you showed me. Even at 2500 it's still considered overclocked but just a hair.
#My Station!
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i typed my powersuply here exact model
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It should be stable at 2500 though. My card is at 2500 and I've got a 6700XT
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You do have the CPU cable plugged in right? There's a plug in port near the CPU that should have a fat cable plugged into it. The cable looks like a PCIE cable.
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deepcool pn850m 80+ Gold 850W
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You do have the CPU cable plugged in right? There's a plug in port near the CPU ...
yes the cpu is plugged in
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Lemme look it up real fast.
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I don't even know if it would boot if that cpu cable wasn't plugged in lol. I've never tested it. Was just making sure.
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so wich pcie cable is it than for the gpu? the one with a missing part or the one without a missing part
oh wait ig the one saying cpu on it wich is the one with no missing part ig is the wrong one
the missing part one is probably for the gpu
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Okay so it has a single 12v rail. Having one cable running to it shouldn't cause an issue. I still always use 2 seperate cables plugged into the GPU.
You'd have to compare the ends. It either will or wont plug in. Like I said the ends are shaped different so you can't get the wrong cables in the wrong plugs.
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should i just set it to the unclocked version fo 2495?
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2500 should be fine.
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so if i plug in 2 separate cables would it be fine as it was with the base settings that were too high?
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Another thing we could try is switching to the other bios. The second bios is the reference bios I believe. Which is AMD's factory bios. XFX has their own bios they use. Still XFX bios should work fine, not crash.
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so like the xfx app?
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It only has a single 12v rail. It should be fine with a single cable. I always run 2 cables though just because.
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so the double ended singular cable is fine and plugging the other one wont cause more stability?
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No their bios is a chip on the GPU. I'm not aware of any xfx app.
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i have no clue how to enter any other bioses besides the motherboard
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It shouldn't cause an issue.
I'm saying I use 2 cables just because. It is recommended to use 2 seperate cables. Gimme a moment.
It's recommended to use 2 seperate cables just to ensure proper power delivery. So you will want to add the extra cable. I won't rule that out as not being an issue.
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ok than well do that tomorrow or at the end of the week
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Xfx puts a little toggle switch on the GPU beside where you plug the cables in. That switches between reference bios and xfx's bios.
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dont think we had a power button on it
lost copper
It's not a power button. It's a little toggle switch. It's tiny.
Lemme see if I can see mine in my pics. One moment.
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we dont remember seeing any kind of switches
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There's my switch. Click on the photo and zoom in.
I'm sure it's there. I hear xfx puts it on all their boards.
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well have to see it
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That will be one of the last things we try though. Need to rule out all the other potential possibilities.
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so the 2 ended cable if we plug in a separate cable does it still try to switch on the 1 2 ended cable
cuz well have the 2 ended cable to have 1 unplugged and than plug in the separate cable
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Yeah that's how mine is.
2 cables plugged into the gpu and the piggy back end is just floating free plugged into nothing.
Just make sure the opened cable ends aren't up against a screw or something in the case where it could ground.
See? Mine are just chillin there.
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my question mainly is so is anything actually broken
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We won't know for sure until we rule out all the potential problems. I'd think if it was broken it wouldn't work.
If we discover that it's unstable even when underclocked and after you try 2 cables instead of 1 then I'd RMA it.
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it hasant done anything weird yet
so if we plug 2 cables in and is unstable something is guaranteed to be broken?
also i am more worried by the fact that it was unstable on the 2600 thing even and the fact that it can still go up to 2950
cuz on the site of this specific gpu it says it can go up to 2600
and also if it has any issues after a few months
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2950? Where does it say that at?
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Oh yeah you don't want to do that.. That's if you want to overclock it. These cards come overclocked out the box. They push them to the absolute max.
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my question is why do they even have that option
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Every card will do that in the settings. Even mine.
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i mean this thing dosent function properly at 2600 letalone beyond that
lost copper
Every card is different.
Some people put water blocks on their GPU and can probably push it that high.
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dont their gpu's crash like mine does?
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The card won't fry it's self. 2950 would demand more power than it can provide thus crashing instantly
If they don't have it stable yeah but they run higher than 1200mV. You need a water block to keep it from over heating.
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i dont trust liquids near electronics
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2950 would produce a lot of heat and require overvolting.
These liquids are non conductive. It isn't water. Usually it's something like vegetable glycerine but I think they use a special fluid.
The main concern about liquid cooling is the pump and air in the system.
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and pipes
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If it was to leak out it wouldn't hurt anything. Just make a bit of a mess to clean.
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However it would hurt it if the liquid content dropped to where it could no longer circulate.
Many people don't know what they're doing or understand the concept.
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You have to regularly check it. Also every once in a while you may have to top up the liquid.
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also that cuz its already bad enough that ill have to buy compressed air to clean the inside of the pc with every 6 or so months
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I have an AIO cpu cooling system. It just isn't installed. I don't really have the proper place in my case to mount the radiator.
You want the radiator to be above the cpu which is where the pump is.
Pumps can get air bound or lose it's prime and the liquid will stop flowing. That happens at the pump. The pump is designed to pump liquid, not air.
Thus why you want the hoses and radiator to be above the pump so any air that works it's way into the system will be at the top above and away from the pump.
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so in essence currently the main issue of my gpu is that it cant put in enough volts to power the gpu on its frequency?
also from what i noticed the gpu dosent really use 1200 mv even tho its set to that it mostly sits around 800-1000
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It sounds like a power issue yes. Where it's either not getting stable power from the PSU, which is why 2 cables is recommended, or the silicone chips or VRM aren't the strongest. I'm not 100% sure of all the potential failure spots are but it needs stable power going to the GPU it's self.
That's the voltage offset.
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knowing my luck than its probably low quality silicon
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Hopefully not the case. Either way it was overclocked from the factory. AMD doesn't guarantee overclock. They guarantee that it will work at factory defaults. XFX does a factory overclock which they guarantee is stable. If not, and everything was done right with the card installed right, then XFX should warranty it.
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but its not stable
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Either way it's either not getting stable voltage to the GPU board or the VRM isn't supplying stable voltage to the GPU chip.
It's not artifacting so I'm thinking just bad voltage stability.
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xfx's factory overclock was not stable
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Won't not that for sure till you supply 2 cables to the gpu. Gotta rule out all possibilities.
It may be stable at 2500 and 1200mV. You may have to drop it down to 2450 or 2400 to get it stable. In the case where you have to underclock it to get it stable after it's installed and setup right is on grounds for RMA.
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so if i put in the 2 separate cables i should try to set it back to its factory clocking?
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Yes
What you would tell them is that you installed the gpu correctly and it keeps crashing. Don't mention anything about underclocking or undervolting.
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ok
lost copper
It should be stable right out of the box.
Yes it can be stabilized by underclocking but you shouldn't have to do that. That spells potential failure later down the road.
wise meadow
👻
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Hey Buster.
I'll have to get with yall later on. Got some things I'm handling atm.
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ok
wise meadow
Woke up the dog earlier today, look at his face 🤣
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Woke up the dog earlier today, look at his face 🤣
here let me translate why did you have to wake me up couldint you have let me sleep more?
wise meadow
Yea lol
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ok this gpu is getting warrantied
took 10 hours but it is unstable at 2500 and 1200
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That would be best. No sense in having to underclock it just to make it stable. Also there's no telling how long it would last even like that. Months down the road it just breaks completely and you'll be out of warranty.
Dog doesn't look happy with you.
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That would be best. No sense in having to underclock it just to make it stable. ...
warranty in here pretty sure lasts at least 2 years
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Yeah. They're confident it will last 2 years so it's supposed to be good. Not be unstable. I bet when they go to inspect the card they'll find a spot somewhere on the board that looks like it was getting very hot.
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the worst thing tho about it is that usually things last just long enough to be outside warranty range
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Not usually with electronics so long as they are cared for. They'll last quite a while.
For my birthday I'm buying myself the 8bitdo Ultimate 2 controller. No reason to buy any other controller unless it has some niche feature.
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is that the one where every part is replacable?
and costs like 600-800 bucks in my currency
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I dunno how much it costs in Romanian money.
I don't know if it's modular. I should probably look that up. Regardless it's the best controller I could find. It's $60
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The only other one I would consider is the ps5 dualsense edge but the Ultimate 2 controller outperforms it lol
Dualsense Edge is $200
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i dont really like wireless stuff myself cuz i had some bad experience with wireless stuff
i have a razer blackshark v2 pro 2020 edition and because i broke its receiver luckily because its the old one it has cable connection but otherwise it would be useless
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This new technology is outstanding really. It uses patented wireless technology and has faster than wire response times.
How'd you break The receiver?
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Spiders don't bother me. Still don't want them crawling around. Some people would have destroyed the whole table it was on. Pc and all.
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you see that was me hastily getting up
and since it was in the front usb ports while i was getting up i hit it with the middle of my leg
and broke the thing in 2
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My keyboard has a receiver and the other is a crappy Bluetooth. I don't like Bluetooth. The 2.4ghz receivers work better and faster.
I plug them into my monitor.
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i also dont like wireless stuff because charging
like bruh wdym i have to charge them every 2-3 hours
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The charge lasts all day. On the Pro 2 they sometimes will last 2 days. It's not that bad. I don't like wires because I've snatched wires before destroying usb ports or worse.
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oh dont worry i am the master of destroying and melting wires
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Ultimate 2 comes with a charging dock with fast charging. Just set it on it and it charges 🤷
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my next mice and keyboard are gonna be with all replacable parts
including the cable itself
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I got the 8bitdo retro mechanical 108 keyboard.
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altho its another porblem to make sure i order it from a place that will have those parts
god damn razer does not sell the transceivers
even tho it said they did
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Red Dragon makes decent stuff. Chinese mouse and keyboard but I've used it for years before I got my new keyboard. When I wore my old set out I bought a new one of the same set. That's how much I liked it. I think was like $40 for keyboard and mouse.
China is finally making decent stuff these days. I'm actually really impressed.
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yeah but id rather have to replace cheaper parts than the whole thing
i hate having to get reused to a new size of a keyboard
like i went trough 3 brands of different keyboards and they all had things slightly differently wich was enough to throw off my muscle memory
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8bitdo sells parts. They even sell custom key replacements for your keyboard. I want their mouse but I want it NES themed. All I seen them have is the Xbox themed one. I don't like Xbox. Never have and never will.
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same thing i have a xbox controller thats laid out like a ps5
or ps in general
i just like the ps layout better
its a red dragon one i think
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Ultimate 2 is shaped like an Xbox but I have no real choice in the matter. I want the new TMR technology joysticks and the Ultimate 2 has it. The new pro 2 models have hall effect which is good but I want the new new tech. I hate that they're not making a Pro style controller to match the ultimate 2.
Everyone favors Xbox for some reason. Like dang
Me too. I like the PS layout.
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btw do you know how to make controllers work on pc games cuz like none of the pc games make controllers function like on consoles
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Wish they made the Ultimate 2 controller shaped like a PS controller.
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like the people on consoles have some kind of additional hidden features to make them easier to do things with
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Should be plug and play.
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like i remember back in the ps2 day i had a much easier time using a controller
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This is the Pro 2
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and it felt normal
nowdays tho on pc it feels weird
like its missing stuff
like i cant do small adjustments on things
like aiming
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What like macros? PC has plenty of controller software. My controller comes with it's own special software suite.
There's things about this pro 2 I don't like. So I'm getting the ultimate 2. I'm a bit upset there's no PS layout version...
Some companys, even my favorite ones, make business and marketing decisions that upset and disappoint me.
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personally thats why i dont bother looking at brands
i just look at whatever i want/is the most effective
and go with it
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Brands do matter because you don't want to buy a potatoe. Gotta look at the technokogy used also.
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i mean i learned that never buy anything from razer again
the only thing i learn about brands at most is who to avoid
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Someone finally made a controller for steam but I hear it's cheap and missing features. It's like nobody can make an Ultimate Steam Controller. The actual steam controller isn't even made or sold anymore. I found steam controller on Amazon for $234 but that's a scalper rip off. Didn't even have the dongle so I'm like no no and no.
I stopped liking razor products. I used to... Better brands out now.
China is pretty much beating everyone in hardware these days. Used to be a joke about "made in China" stuff being cheap knockoff garbage but now their stuff is quality and holds value.
I hope the Ultimate 2 makes me happy for $60 it's an excellent value for quality. It even outperforms the ps5 dualsense edge and the Xbox ultimate controller. Rather impressive.. You won't find Playstation or xbox's best controller for less than $150-$200
I wish steam would become a stronger platform. They make dumb business and market decisions at times. Just dissapointing. They tried with the steam box but that failed... I want to try their steamos in dualboot just to see how that is.
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Big picture mode is great because I can open it without touching my keyboard or mouse. Can close and even shut down pc with my controller.
Yeah that's actually not doing bad. I wouldn't want one though.
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i wouldint mind getting one maybe it would make it easier for me to fall asleep to
tho that in itself costs half as much as my pc
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I want my PC with controllers that are very good. Funny how a Chinese company picked up the slack on that.
Steam controller was the best imo but valve stopped making it and selling it. Steam has dissapointed me so much but I'm too deeply invested in them to switch to any other platform. Besides it's the best for pc right now. I dunno just not keen on a lot of things I guess.
Just use steam in big picture mode with your controller.
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nah i dont like the u.i
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No need for a steam deck if you have a good pc.
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i like the old and tried old steam u.i
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Isn't steamdeck basically big picture mode?
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Big picture mode is amazing on steam pc.
I like it more than Xbox or Playstation. I've used all of them.
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still i like the old u.i better
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I use both. Big picture mode is for when I use controller. If I'm playing a game that uses mouse and keyboard I use it in pc mode.
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cant really use my controller anymore cuz idk why but on this pc in perticular it freaks out
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I like the versatility of steam. Can use it either way to suit needs and preferences.
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also is hard to tell if anything in the usb slots or power is plugged in correctly
cuz they dont go fully in
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I wonder how much the 8bitdo controllers cost where you are.
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May be cheaper. They're made in China.
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i know i looked out not so long ago a controller wich was 800 bucks in my currency where every single thing in it was replacable
buttons sticks cable everything
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Yall's currency is RON?
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yes
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it's 330.
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or at least to me it sounds cheaper to replace parts of stuff than buying a whole new thing
and than theres getting used to the new thing
wich i dislike doing
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Yeah. I don't like things that don't feel right.
I want one of these but it's Xbox theme....
Stupid they don't make any other ones... It's dumb decisions like this that annoy me.
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this thing just gave me a chill down my spine
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Why would I want Xbox themed mouse to go with my NES themed keyboard?
It's ambidextrous mouse which is what I like. But it's ugly!
UGLY! 🤮
I love it except for the theme... Sigh... I even really like the buttons.
This what I use rn.
Oh wait... My bad. They DO have a NES themed mouse....
Look at this crap...
It's gaaaaarbage!
Like what were they thinking?!?
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this feels like a bad joke
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IKR!
I saw this and I almost contacted support to ask who keeps making their stupid decisions?
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I saw this and I almost contacted support to ask who keeps making their stupid d...
probably the ceo
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Why not have it shaped just like the Xbox themed one but make it NES themed... 🤦
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or some higher up
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Nobody wants tiny buttons as clickers... Like literally no one...
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its certainly some one who dosent understand tech
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Their controllers are amazing. The keyboard is amazing... But their mice? 🤦
This is the keyboard. I got one
Works flawlessly and looks nice. I wanted a mouse to go with it but I'm not getting the one they have paired with it....
Even comes with 2 big super buttons. I can plug a bunch more super buttons into the keyboard. Can even get retro joysticks too. All of it looks and works great.. But that mouse? Ugh...
I'm 40 so I like the retro look 🙂
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Daniel Jansson designed the NES mouse... He needs to be fired...
And worse
Make that the only mouse he can ever use... EVER! Till he changes the design.
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i mean i dont think he designed that mouse willingly
i am pretty sure he complained to hes boss alot
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https://shop.8bitdo.com/products/8bitdo-keyboard-extensions
Here's the extra stuff that can plug into the keyboard. I may grab some extra buttons. Not interested in the joystick. I'm not that retro. I like function and giant joysticks ain't it.
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btw if you think this is bad wait till some one decides to create a keyboard that plugs into a keyboard
and try to sell it
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Yeah. It's so 2 people can type at the same time! Brilliant!
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that sounds also accurate to what it would be for
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I'd like to find a good gaming mouse but can't find anything that beats this simple yet super inexpensive red dragon mouse...
I love this mouse lol. I think it's like 10-20 bucks.
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i just used whatever mouse i could buy
they all end up breaking the same way
cable
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The only razer products that are good is their mice.
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i dont trust razer
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Can't beat this little cheapo mouse I got lol
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they fooled me once
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I'm not a fan of them. I'm wanting a good mouse that isn't razer.
Steelseries aerox 3 and 5 both look okay.
Nm... Bluetooth... Needs to have better wireless.
They do make one with a wire though.... 👀
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dont got a bluetooth chip or wifi so those things are kinda useless for my pc
wish there was just like an app or something i could use for those
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that backside makes it look like it will cause rashes
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I don't use my palm much. I like that it breathes. My hand get sweaty sometimes 😅
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eh as far as i go my mouse is covered in solidified sweat
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This is the red dragon set I'm talking about..
It's very inexpensive and works really well.
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we dont have amazon in here
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Not sure if it's sold anywhere else.
It's good stuff for Chinese products. Like I said I've bought 2 sets... I rage smashed my last keyboard and bought another set the next moment after I calmed down lol
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how did you buy them without a keyboard/mouse?
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My phone lol
The mouse was fine. Keyboard took one hulk smash and it was anihalated. I'm just glad my desk survived... I was a little under the influence at the time. Thus why I don't get under the influence anymore. Not ever again.
Anyways the redragon set and the glorious mouse are the types I like. Shaped exactly like those. Must have a DPI button too.
Just gotta shop around to find a good one. May just go with the glorious one.
Really wish 8bitdo would make a mouse that doesn't suck. Their controllers are good. So I dunno. All that tech put into the ultimate 2 controller but they can't make a good ergonomic mouse that isn't ugly..
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something something scarcity something something capitalism something something enshittification
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I wanna start working... I want to be able to buy friends and family birthday gifts.
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isint it like impossible to get a job nowdays?
and also your being underpaid like crazy
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No just very difficult... Things haven't been going well over here in the states. We hope it gets better over the next 4 years though. We're expecting it to...
Yeah very much so.
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idk about that
i am surprised civil wars havent yet started
like the us will collapse
its just a matter of when
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It almost did with our last president but Republicans are more civil than the democrats. They lose and they lose everything else. Common sense, their minds... List goes on 🤦
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and as far as my experience goes theres only a way downwards not upwards
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They've been trying to make it collapse. We got the ones causing problems out. Now US is struggling to recover.
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things can only get worse and not better
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Not always.
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i mean i havent ever seen anything get better
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It's been rough before.
You have a lot of people that don't want to work. They just want money handed to them. Those people are now out acting like heathens and vandalizing. People have lost their minds. Not just here. Other places too. It's not just America that crazy things are happening. Things will get better. There have been great depressions before. We're in a depression right now. The reason we're paying so much is because Powell had to hike up the rates to prevent bank runs. Once bank runs start you can't stop them. It's game over after that. Point of no return type thing. So we pay a lot to keep it all afloat. We have officials that are much better than the last ones. Trump proved himself before whether people want to admit it or not. Gotta get the jobs back. Gotta get people who want to work instead of... The weird stuff they've been doing.
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You have a lot of people that don't want to work. They just want money handed to...
problem is that the opposite happening is also true
for example people get paid so little that they cant even survive so no wonder nobody wants to work
why would you work if you know that your doomed to die anyway
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I know. There's no incentive. We're trying to bring that back. The democratic party has nearly destroyed this country. Meanwhile they're living it up in mansions. Inflation doesn't affect the rich...
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Living in the streets isn't exactly fun.
It could very well come to that point. Not exactly the desired outcome though.
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as far as money goes the problem with it is that its stuck in the hands of billionares
its like blood clot
theres also the other issue of debt
that should be made illegal
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Yeah. Money hoarders.
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take peoples ability away from making dumb decisions like taking loans
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Yeah debt is a trap. It's designed to entrap and enslave.
Yeah. I don't like loans. You work and save money. Not borrow it from someone and run scams. The problem is the banking system. It's corrupt and ran by a small group of people. Not going to drop names here.... We all know who they are.
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as i said its like blood clot
it keeps being stuck in certain places
by having that happen you kinda cancel out the whole point of money
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Everyone needs to work. We all need something productive to do. Problem is the pay system isn't fair. The banking system is rigged.
I remember people complaining about fast food workers getting paid a lot more than they used to. What they don't get is people need to be able to survive. Live comfortably at least. Our dollar value has gone down but pay has not gone up to compensate. Just another form of thievery. Thieves.... They're everywhere.
They keep printing money like morons.
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yeah because at 5 or more digits of numbers you start losing the sense of value
it just becomes numbers
also technically not true
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Say you have $100 and I have 0... I print me $100. How much do we have? We both have $50 because our $100 is now worth $50 because I printed more money...
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not everyone needs to work
i personally think the problems started with the us especially back in like 1950's or whenever the movement for womans rights for work started happening
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Not work as in the sense of a 9-5 job. Work as in doing something constructive that you enjoy. Offering a service or providing something the world needs and can use. Whether it be entertainment or what have you.
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that was the beginning point of where stuff started going wrongly
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They've been cooking this crap up since before the early 1900s
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i mean yeah with the school systems
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People are starting to wake up finally.
School is for indoctrination. They don't want a nation of thinkers. They want a nation of workers.
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its less of a wake up more of a ok so all of this is bullsh it so avoid these things
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School is for indoctrination. They don't want a nation of thinkers. They want a ...
allways has been
thats why i think all these mental disorders started popping up like crazy in recent time
the brain is like so these indoctorination things suck so we need to counter them somehow
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Also our food... What we drink.. The air we breathe now. 🤷
There's wild amounts of toxins everywhere now. There's a lot more going on then what they say. Always something going on behind closed doors. Usually it's nothing good.
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i am onestly surprised they havent found a way to monetize air yet
i personally think humanity is gonna go extinct soon
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They do. We have to breathe it. Fall ill. Now we go see their doctors.
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no i mean monetize it in a way where you only get a certain amount of oxygen
not just medically
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Right. Implant a meter in every person to measure air in and out. Oxygen and carbon tax. 😂
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not quiet the same but ig
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Have you played NMS? I think you said you have.
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I wish I was working... I would gift you a copy. I think money goes into the hands of the wrong people. Those who are irrisposible and greedy.
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money is a flawed system in itself
wich breeds corruption
but the problem is that at least me myself cant thing of any other way to replace it
and the main issue with it is trust
money is basically the hostage in wich you force people to do stuff
and that is the problem cuz theres no real way to do that
trust some one blindly and they wont do the thing you asked them to
its something that is there because of our inability to coexist
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I think Bitcoin is good. It should be our world reserve. Nobody can control it. Nobody can influence it in the way regular money can be.
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I think Bitcoin is good. It should be our world reserve. Nobody can control it. ...
same end
also bitcoin is alot more unstable
as far as fixing money we need limitations on how much individuals/companies can buy and a stagnant value to cash that is only influenced by how easy something is being made as in it can only get cheaper to sell something that is made easly
but than the problem would arise of companies not wanting to make innovative things because it would make the stuff cheaper
lost copper
Bitcoin would be more fair. Nobody owns it. Nobody controls it.
It's pretty stable right now. The only reason it ever fluctuates is because of fiat currency like dollars. Sure there are other Crypto currencies however they are all based off one of two things. Bitcoin or Etherium. I think it would be very stable if we got rid of all these different currencies. Even if you bought a meme coin on the bitcoin network. Bitcoin wouldn't lose value. Only time it would is if someone one the bitcoin network bought something on the Etherium network. Bitcoin would go down and Etherium would go up. It'd be a constant battle between them. Right now it's unstable because of the banking system. People have somewhere else that is not on either network that they could put their value into. Fiat currency needs to go away. It's the problem. Get rid of fiat and banks would lose their power. Have bitcoin and Etherium backed by real world assets. Not some imaginary promisary paper saying you have this much value. It's based off gold and that is not good. Because anyone could horde all the gold. Look at the Rothschild for example. Nobody can horde bitcoin. Even if they do it would only make the value go up. 🤷
I did a lot in crypto in the past. Learned a lot about it.
tidal spindle
the problem is your not accounting for stupid people
the paper works far better with stupid people than crypto
and because of that id say a imaginary piece of paper is better than crypto
lost copper
I'm not exactly sure what we need to do. I just know what they've been doing is only working out for them and not us. Bitcoin would level that field.
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I'm not exactly sure what we need to do. I just know what they've been doing is ...
theres a limit to how long things work out for them till totall collapse
lost copper
Yeah there's plenty of them out there for sure... Didn't think about that. 🤦
There has to be some physical form of currency.
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currently id say that politicians and the billionare club knows that they are fu cked so they try to rush a.i and robots to replace the neccesity for biological based workforce so that they can kill them off before they get killed off
and when that happens whatever is left of them will go extinct after a while
since there wont be enough humans left to repopulate
unless they somehow upload their minds to a machine
than ig we wont go entirely extinct
lost copper
Which they already do that... Cloning and spirit swapping.
tidal spindle
dont think cloning is invented yet
lost copper
It is.. Has been for a long time now. They're just working on perfecting it.
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and as far as spirits go i dont think that concept functions
lost copper
Everything has energy. Energy is either stored or released but it always goes somewhere. They've done extensive testing on these things.
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the description of spirits and souls and gods and so on all these spiritual like things i think have the wrong info
i am not saying there isint anything
but all our ideas of them feel wrong
or off
lost copper
We won't know the truth in that till we're gone.
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my idea of them is more like a black box of sorts
what is on planes and such
something like isekai anime feels like could be possible
but something like the way we think of gods is not
lost copper
I know this body is not who I am. It's just the physical representation of me. More so just a vessel. I am conscious and I came from somewhere. Not sure how it works but I know there's special energy involved that's my signature. The body dies and turns to dust. Energy doesn't but rather goes somewhere. The physical world feels more like a prison or confine more than anything. A proving ground. We here to learn. Otherwise there's no point and this world has shown time and time again that things always have a point. They must
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also i think we have the wrong idea about death
if death was truly possible than i dont think life could exist
or anything for that matter
something like the universe needs to be made by something infinite
and what we experience as life is more like a limitation lense on the infinity?
something like that
lost copper
Death means there's a seperation. When we "die" energy is released and seperated from the body. That energy goes somewhere. Energy never disappears. It can turn into many forms.
I just know there's no point in really worrying about it. Can drive yourself nuts. I've been down too many rabbit holes.
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this is as far as ive got troughout my life with constant thinking on what is life why it exists and how can it even exist
i am already nuts
so a few existencial crisis toughts wont do anything to me
lost copper
Rabbit holes can be dangerous.
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the way i think is that everything has a reason to exist and has a point
and that its like a circle
like an infinite circle of sorts
and i kinda wanna destroy it
and i noticed a certain pattern in stuff where like everything has to contradict
its like a law of the universe
but this is as far as ive got in about 10 or so years of just thinking in the background towards it
lost copper
You remind me of my younger self. Yeah there always has to be a point. There's cause and effect. Everything seeks a balance. The imbalance of things is called chaos. The further off the balance is the more dramatic the chaos will be to return back to equilibrium and achieve balance once again.
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funnily enough chaos actually makes balance
as far as things go right now they are in a reactionary state
nothing ever really happens we are just reacting to things happening
and balance makes chaos
lost copper
That's what I was iterating. It's a formula. Understanding the formula makes life a bit easier through understanding.
tidal spindle
eh understanding it dosent exactly make it easier
lost copper
Yeah. My brother taught me to look at things like this. Things aren't happening to me they're happening around me. My reaction to it is what's important.
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huh thats a new way to interpret that
lost copper
I suffer from a lot of anxiety and panic attacks. I've had to rewire my mind so that I don't destroy myself..
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i see i am on the opposite end
i dont have fear or shame or guilt
but i am overloading my mind constantly
lost copper
I don't either. Not on a conscious level anyway. I suffer things on a more subconscious level. Also I've a messed up back and neuropathy so it contributes to anxiety in a natural way.
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what is neuropathy
ah on subconcious level i am kinda like shattered glass
but its like because of it i am also somehow unbreakable or something since its already broken
lost copper
Sounds more like desensitization.
Neuropathy is basically nerve damage.
It can be very painful and insufferable.
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ah i see
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Sounds more like desensitization.
Neuropathy is basically nerve damage.
yeah that as well
desanitization
lost copper
Imagine someone came up with a hot shank rod and just stuck it through your arm over and over switching spots. Sometimes the spot spreads like a miasma of burning/stabbing pain from nerve to nerve. It can startle me sometimes.
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ah i see
lost copper
Not just arm but all limbs. Torso and back too. I get it a lot in the left side of my chest, up my neck, down my left arm. That's the worst area. Also in my legs. Like I stepped on a red hot nail sometimes. It can be maddening.
I've almost passed out from it before.
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not sure if its nerve damage but i have something similar where basically everything hurts allways some areas more than others but i am also gaining tolerance to it the longer it goes
especially my head
my head feels like it allways has hot liquid in it
and that its being stabbed
the area connecting my 2 brains feels like its constantly being stabbed with a knife
the frontal lobe of my head alot of the times as well once i start feeling tired starts feeling like as if its getting zapped
lost copper
Sounds like a migraine maybe.
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the migraine never stops than ig
lost copper
I get those. Makes me just wanna sit there with my eyes closed
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i am surprised your body or brain dosent pump you up with adrenaline for when those pains happen
lost copper
It does in the form of panic attacks.
I've been dealing with it for a while now.
I also take stuff for the pain.
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btw just to make sure since the gpu cant even retain 2500 frequency its guaranteed to be broken
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anyways imma go sleep now good night
lost copper
Yeah it needs warrantied out
It shouldn't be crashing. Shouldn't have to undervolt and underclock just to get it stable out of the box.
For now toy could try dropping it to 2300-2400mhz just so you can use it till you're ready to swap it out.
But that's bs. Should have no problems running at stock settings.
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ok my mom is being a pain shes asking if the gpu could work if it wasant fit in correctly
cuz when we fit it in the case we had a issue with it where the case was covering the area for its metal part and couldint fit it in correctly cuz of that so we had to mutilate the case a bit
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Were having trouble with that metal and the area next to the open place there besides the motherboard cuz no place to fit it
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ok we reseated the gpu and need for speed heat combined with a youtube video on factory setting in adrenaline at 2634 frequency did not crash the pc
ig imma be testing it on long term now? and see if it crashes anymore or if a few months down the line it worsens or the issue comes back
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also what kind of air compresser should one get to clean the pc with or compressed air can or stuff like that
lost copper
Were having trouble with that metal and the area next to the open place there be...
Is this a reflection?
lost copper
Anti static compressed air. Usually they're all the same in the can.
No switch ehh? Okay it may not have an fxf overclock on it then.
Not crashing?
lost copper
The gpu not being seating well cam cause a lot of issues. It's possible it wasn't in there right. Those metal tab parts are always tricky.
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it did not crash during watching youtube and did a full race in nfs heat while its on the factory clock
lost copper
That's why I wanted you to try reseating it one more time. Because it not coming on at first lead me to believe something went amiss with the install.
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https://www.xfxforce.com/shop/xfx-amd-radeon-tm-rx-6750-xt this is the specific card i have
lost copper
So it wasn't in there all the way?
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So it wasn't in there all the way?
no idea
my mom says that it wasant straight or something
and that it seemed straighter now
also i made sure that its all the way in by pushing it downwards on it with a bit of force
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That's why I wanted you to try reseating it one more time. Because it not coming...
i dont trust in our ability to put things in correctly after the first 3 major failures of it
lost copper
Okay that would make a difference. Sounds like it had a weak connection.
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so will this incorrect seating cause any issues?
cuz it has been happening for like 2 months
that its been used like that
lost copper
Practice makes progress. Once you learn correctly then you'll have it for life. Yall have never done this before.
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yep first time assembling a pc
lost copper
Yes it would cause issues. If it's not in all the way it can't make a solid connection.
lost copper
Believe me I had loads of issues putting some computers together even knowing what I'm doing.
No
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so as long as this issue dosent resurface in a while and than in a few months it should be safe?
lost copper
So long as you didn't see any burn spots where something was getting hot on the connection.
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i did see something weird on it but not surer
the screw near the thing that goes into the motherboard looked rusty like
lost copper
I would assume so yes. I'd run a burn in test for 24 hours. That will show any instabilities.
This is has a free trial but it's good for when you first build a pc.
You'll never have to use it on a pc again once you run the test for 24-48 hours.
I always do this on a new pc.
Rust? Well these things are built out of cheap metal sometimes. Like the screws and what have you. The board should be fine though.
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the chip looking things that go into the motherboard on the gpu have like a area near it that has a screw in it that did look like as if it was rusty so unless that is a burn mark
the top was clean
lost copper
Nah it would be changing colors.
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but the in a circular area around the screw was rusty looking
lost copper
It would show on the board or on the side plate or back plate.
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the rest looked clean
lost copper
When metal gets very hot it starts turning a blue color
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yeah nah also pretty sure my mom said that the metal parts on it were made of steel
lost copper
Yeah if it passed your quick crash test I think it's solid. It was very unstable last time.
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yep couldint handle past 550?
ig ill see in a few days if it still goes on with no crashes
lost copper
It couldn't handle 2500 at 1200 which should be 1000% stable because it's underclocked at factory voltage offset.
Let's hope so.
Do that burn in test and you'll know for sure.
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yeah ill do it probably tomorrow
lost copper
The burn in tests stresses the entire pc. Everything. If it's going to crash it will do it then. It even tests video play back during this test as well as 3D acceleration.
It's guaranteed to reproduce any issue that would happen while watching a video.
Xfx makes good stuff so I'm surprised when ever one is acting bad.
I don't know why it was clocked so high in the software. Thing is that's max frequency. It just means the gpu is allowed to go to that speed.
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factory setting is 2634 frequency
lost copper
Yeah. That's strange because max boost speed is only 2600
Oh well. Just leave it as is.
I need to get a new card at some point. Darn things are so expensive.
I'd like a 9070 but as things are right now that probably won't happen any time soon. Anyways don't want to think about it. I'll just get angry at everything again.
It's a long long story with a lot of factors that contribute to my current situation.
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same thing id like the newest stuff but it was beyond my budget
btw whats your steam name?
whenever you get good internet we could play some game if ya want
lost copper
18516731
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thats the first time it done a noise
lost copper
May just be the first time you noticed. Sometimes hard drives will do that. Kinda sounds like a sizzle in a way.
Take the cover off and look. See if you notice any smells.
lost copper
Metal turns blue when it gets hot. Pbc starts turning dark.
tidal spindle
May just be the first time you noticed. Sometimes hard drives will do that. Kind...
also its not about noticing i am overly carefull of the noises the pc makesz
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Metal turns blue when it gets hot. Pbc starts turning dark.
i think it had like black spots on top of it
ok smelled the exhaust its either hot air smell or something slightly burnt smell not sure
altho would it not break if it was burning?
lost copper
Not always at first.
It would definitely be crashing. That burn in test would let you know for sure. If it's still not stable then that card needs replaced.
lost copper
I had mentioned getting NVMe drives but that was all I cna remember.
Storage should be fine even if the gpu konks out.
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so the weird ccsssssssssss noise wasant from the hard disk?
lost copper
HDD can make a kinda sizzle sound. There's a little arm inside of it that flicks back and forth at insanely fast speeds. It's sorta like a very light buzzing noise.
tidal spindle
its not constant
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oh yeah i should probably fragment it
lost copper
One sec I'll look something up for you.
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i mean defragment it
i remember before we did the furmark test i noticed my storages were slightly fragmented
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at least 6 years old
lost copper
It's normal for it to make noise then. They do that as they get older. They typically last 10 years about. At least that's been my experience with them in the past.
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it felt like a combination of whirring/scraping?
lost copper
I've had hard drives get pretty loud. So long as it's not clicking over and over and the drive is responding then it's working.
lost copper
The solid state drives don't make noise because there's no moving parts but HDDs will. They have gotten more durable over the years. Back when that's all there was they would get worn out after 5-7 years of constant use. Having an SSD for the computer to boot from and run programs helps on wear and tear so they last much longer these days.
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btw do you know of any issue that could hinder the usage of a controller on pc
like it selecting buttons constantly in some games but than in other being fine
lost copper
It sends button press inputs without touching the buttons?
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yes
and only happens in certain games
if i play reassembly its fine nothing weird is going on but if i play need for speed heat it constantly presses the menu button
so it keeps sending me back to the menu
lost copper
Which button is the menu button and what controller do you have?
tidal spindle
idk but it has like a red scorpion stinger on it
also i think the menu button is start?
or select
either that or the giant home button
found it
this one
also if i remember correctly its also fine when playing terraria
and another game thats like sonic
but in a few games like need for speed heat it sh its itself
dont remember in what other games it freaks out
but i remember there being 1 or maybe 2 more
lost copper
I wonder if the buttons are pressure sensitive.
lost copper
I know. I'm wondering if they have pressure sensors and NFS is detecting a slight press on it. I don't know what else would cause it to do that.
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i also hate how the usb's and such dont get fully pressed in
lost copper
Oh the back plate?
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like half of the usb and power cable is sticking out
front plate too
the only thing that goes fully in is the sounds stuff
that stuff makes me unable to tell if i plugged sh it in correctly
lost copper
Does it bottom out with the plate?
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what
lost copper
It shouldn't cause any issues. They make connection long before they're in completely.
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yeah but still
lost copper
The USB. When you put it in does it butt up against the plate?
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its not going fully in and i cant tell if i plugged it in stably
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The USB. When you put it in does it butt up against the plate?
yes
i cant force it in any more
lost copper
Is it sticking out any at all?
tidal spindle
yes half the damn thing
that goes in
like the metal piece
that usually fully goes in
half of it is out
lost copper
Controller may be wonky if it's just mashing buttons on it's own. I've never seen them do that unless it's a pressure sensitive button
Hmmm
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but wouldint that be an issue in other games too?
lost copper
Some usb ports are weird. I've had some do that before and it is annoying.
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or at least a problem with everything
ive tested all my usb ports they all do it
with that game
lost copper
It would do it in all games unless NFS utilized the pressure sensitive feature of the controller.
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is there a way to turn that off?
lost copper
If the controller even has that function. Go into your control panel and check the game pad options.
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i think hes asking for more massages
lost copper
She's in heat lol
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theres no settings tab
in the properties
wait controllers have drivers?
ok i found the problem i think
vibrations
for some reason when it vibrates it basically freaks out and presses every button
oh btw
i already had 2 separate cables plugged in
it wasant a singular one with 2 ends
lost copper
Sound alike you may wanna disassemble the controller carefully and clean it. I've had to do that with old controllers before.
Okay good.
Sounds like your mom's pretty good at figuring things out.
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ok ig ill just wait to get a compressed air thingy for it to get cleaned
yeah mom is the man in the house
if something breaks she fixes it
lost copper
Yeah that's usually me but my current living conditions are rather lame. I'm not used to living with anyone else and the husband of my sister is insufferable and impossible at best... Can't tell him anything 🤷
He thinks he has fiber optic internet that's data capped. Lol
Little does he know it's cable internet but on a fiber optic network. He pays 280 a month. His internet is only 90 a month. He thinks he has to have the whole TV package to get the fast internet... But he won't listen to me... What do I know right? Only been working on computers for 28 years unprofessionaly. It's just aggravating. Can't tell a know it all anything.
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man this makes me think is my internet provider scamming me?
cuz we also have fiber optic internet
lost copper
You? They're definitely scamming my brother in law but that's just because he's dumb and won't listen to wise counsel. So I just let him pay the 280 a month 🤷
Maybe I need to be stern. Tell him sit down and listen! 🤦
It's cable on a fiber optic network.
They have been fooling everyone really...
They advertise that fiber optic network because technically they can. However it reduces down to cable internet speeds.
Of you pay for TV packages you don't use then change that.
Who uses TV packages now anyway? That's a direct like to indoctrination by being spoon fed information. All you need is internet and you can watch what eve you want.
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old people
like my mom and aunt
but i am pretty sure our tv cable and ethernet providers are different
not the same corpo
my mom and aunt keep complaining that they dont show anything new nowdays
and i told them that theres so much stuff on the internet but they refuse to look for it
and search things they like
thats the only thing keeping tv packages existing is old dumb people who refuse to adapt to technology
wise meadow
🧐
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?
lost copper
There's Netflix, Amazon prime, Hulu, there's lots of easy options for them.
They can't be much older than I am and I know about all this stuff lol
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they are
bouth of them could be your mom
also not really netflix amazon prime hulu all that sh it requires subscriptions
theres plenty of pirate sites to watch things from
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allright it has not crashed for a day
seems stable?
ig imma do the burn test
burn in test isint free cant use it cuz dosent let me past this
oh wait nvm i am just stupid
does adrenaline increase case fan speeds?
the burn test is heating up my cpu like crazy
its on 80c
after 10 minutes
seems to have stabilized out at 80
it all passed in 15 minutes but i choose the 24 hour test
i am confused
isint this supposed to go on for 24 hours?
lost copper
Sorry I've been away a bit occupied.. Not feeling well.
Yeah I run burn in tests 24-48 hours to test for instability.
That cpu and gpu get the case hot. With a stock cpu cooler it blows the heat all out into the case.
Adrenalin won't adjust case fan speeds but FanControl will. It's the only fan app you'll ever need. I'd use Adrenalin's fan control for the gpu though otherwise FanControl will be fighting with if to control the gpu fan all the time.
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the 24 hour thing only lasted 15 minutes
the burn test
also dosent seem to crash anymore
also weirdly it wasant 100% ing my gpu or cpu
lost copper
Only lasted 15 minutes?
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yes
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it all passed in 15 minutes but i choose the 24 hour test
these images is what it ended with
lost copper
No way to make it go 24 hours? Wow aren't they just some cheap donkeys anymore.. Mm
You must pay to do 24 hour. They do this because people would use the trial for burnin and then never buy the software but still get their 24-48 hour burn in.
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ok ig i uninstalled it than
lost copper
Wonder if there's any other software. Like open source for burn in. I love open source.
tidal spindle
same here
i am using open sourced apps for stuff
i used to use gimp for art but i am switchingto krita and obs for recording and some other stuff
wise meadow
You guys still yappin?
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yes
wise meadow
Impressive
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problem with gimp is it lacks features
lost copper
That LHM (Libre Hardware Monitor) I had you grab is open source. It used to be called OHM (Open Hardware Monitor) but it got abandoned by whoever was working on it and another guy picked up the project thankfully. So now we have LHM that gets updated.
You can get plugins for gimp
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didint know you could even mod gimp
lost copper
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so what does sinon exactly do cuz i dont understand entirely what its saying
like deception hosts? why does it sound like some kinda tool a spy would use
also wich one is it
theres multiples of em
the top ones are something sinonjs
lost copper
I'm not sure. I've never used any of those.
Has something to do with security. I dunno lol.
You'd have to look around for open source burn in software.
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the kind of burn in software i am finding is disc stuff
not component testing
https://www.jam-software.com/heavyload is this one?
looks kinda scetch
lost copper
Yeah there's not really any options out there. Passmark's burn in has been the only real option for decades.
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well i aiant paying a subscription
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wait heavyload is the website i just sent?
lost copper
I think so
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ok heavyload is a no go its only stresstesting cpu
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uh is it normal for my antimalware service executable during a full scan to heat up my cpu like alot despite not using it at 100% or even 50% for that matter?
core(tct/tide),package,ccd1 tide,and ccd's max tide heat up alot they go up to 80
lost copper
It stresses the cpu a lot.
Seems like 80 is about your max under certain loads.
So long as it doesn't go to 90 you're safe. 95 is tjmax
I'd save up what ever you can to upgrade the cooler on it. It's safe as it sits though. Those stock coolers are just enough to keep the cpu cool. Nothing fancy about them.
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btw the only reason the cpu maxed out at 80 is cuz i turned the case fans up
i set them to cool harder depending on cpu temp
instead of motherboard temp
lost copper
Did you get fancontrol or using the motherboard software suite?
lost copper
I have Asus and was using fan xpert which is their software. The fans started acting very strange. Like randomly speeding up the fans to max or even shutting them off. Just doing dumb stuff. I I installed Asus' crap and I now use FanControl. By far the best software for fans. If I was working I'd donate some money to them just because. Free software that's literally the best out there.
ASUS software is bad... Only thing I use is their updater and even then it sucks lol. Dunno about Asrock. Have never used their stuff. I typically go with ASUS.
Looks decent enough.
It's better than fan xpert for sure 😂
You may cool better by going with a convex curve given that the temps are bothering you.
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You may cool better by going with a convex curve given that the temps are bother...
i have no idea what that means
also i am surprised your motherboard hasant burnt down yet and they didint void your warranty
lost copper
You have a concaved curve which is good for when you want to keep fans as silent as possible. Convex curves will curve the opposite way, providing higher cooling at lower temps.
I have my fans set to my gpu. My cpu is on a trigger. Gpu is set in adrenalin so the two softwares don't fight each other. I dunno I'd have to play with it to get it to work with the gpu but adrenalin's software handles it just fine.
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this is my current adrenaline setup
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You have a concaved curve which is good for when you want to keep fans as silent...
btw wouldint that be worse since if its high heat but low cooling wouldint that just kill the pc?
lost copper
this thing
Convex bell curve... At least I think I have it right lol. Convex and concaved curves.
No. Just depends. The way you have it set should be fine. I usually set convexed curves on my cpu fan. Concave works okay for fan. I'm just showing you the differences.
Lemme look this up make sure I don't have the two mixed lol
Yeah I got em right.
What a convexed curve does is it boosts the fan speed higher at lower temps and then gradually speeds up as it reaches your max target temp.
Best for cpu fan. Either one works. Just one is more noisy than the other and it makes the device heat up at a slower rate.
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ok done
lost copper
Looks good though. 80° is probably noisy. At least you'll have an indicator for when your cpu gets hot.
There's also a point where more air flow won't cool anymore.
Yeah that's convexed. It will keep it at lower temps but the fans will be a bit louder. As it tries to push to 80 the fan will gradually increase. It all depends on what you're looking for.
Of course over time it will eventually hit the ceiling temp. Which is where it hangs out under load.
lost copper
Try widening the curve some. Like set you 100% at 90.
100% at 80 may be too much. Like once you reach a certain point of air flow it doesn't cool as much given that the heatsink is what actually cools the cpu. The fan just moves that heat away in the air. I'd test and see when your cpu hits 80° if the fans at 50% cool just as well as the fans at 100%
The fan that will matter the most on a stock cooler is the device's fan it's self.
You'll have to toy around with it and see. Maybe 75% fan speeds so it's not so loud.
I know if I set my chasis speeds to 100% vs say 50-70% there's no cooling difference. If there is it's negligible
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if i remember correctly it worked just as well as it was before
lost copper
Convex is best for the cpu and gpu fans. The case fans a concaved curve works just as well.
I'd try different chasis fan speeds and see how much of a difference it makes once you've reached max cpu temp.
I always try to find a balance between thermal cooling and fan noise.
FanControl gives you a lot more options but is more advanced and takes some learning.
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ok left the case fans to be on the normal curve and gave the cpu that other curve
lost copper
I have all my fans at a cap. Where they'll only go up to a certain speed.
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altho all of that will be reset if i turn the pc off
lost copper
Sounds good. What a convex does is it makes the temp take longer to reach max but the fan speed is higher at lower temps.
It doesn't save it? Should be able to save profiles.
lost copper
That was an issue I had with fan xpert. I had to always go in and open the fan curve part after each reboot otherwise it wouldn't set the speeds properly. I got rid of it and threw fancontrol on there and it works perfect.
Well it's supposed to go like this:
During boot up and shut down the bios takes over the fans. Any software you have should take over once it's booted and loaded up.
tidal spindle
i mean there is this setting but i still think that it gets reset once you turn on or off
lost copper
You could get rid of the software all together and just set it in the bios but typically the bios is very simple and crude at setting temps. Plus you have to be in bios to do it. Can't even stress the device to see what effect you're having with changes.
Yeah check that. It'll load at windows startup
tidal spindle
not sure if i want it tho cuz even currently it just makes a bit too much noise
lost copper
I figured that would have already been activated.
lost copper
That's why I said you should test it. Put it under load and set the chasis fans to like 70% and see where it caps out at on temp. Then manually move it down to 50% and see if it climbs any. Then move it to 100% and see how much it will drop the temp. If we're talking 1-2 degrees, if any, then all that extra fan speed may be negligible. I think my system fans cap at like 60% or 70%
I'd have to look.
My cpu is on a trigger. At 70° it turns on and at 60° it turns off. It very rarely gets to 70° where it will turn the fan on. However I have a different cooler on mine.
tidal spindle
currently since it never reached 80Celsius but it nears it it stuck at 70% speed
it never went above that
lost copper
80° is fine. 85° is fine. I just wouldn't sweat it till it hits like 90°
Then I'd go in to "oh s***" mode.
tidal spindle
ok put it down to 60% speed at 70 celsius
lost copper
Try calling it at 60% and stress test the cpu to see what the ceiling is.
Capping is where you plateau the curve between two points.
The way thermal dynamics works is your heatsink is what cools the unit. The fan helps to cool off the heatsink. Air speed will eventually reach a point where it's negligible.
tidal spindle
ok it went almost to 80 and when the fans turned to 100% it cooled down 6-8 celsius isntantly
lost copper
You running prime?
tidal spindle
no
i am running a full virus scan
also i am only modifying the case fans
the cpu will be probably fine on that other scale
lost copper
The load can fluctuate on that. It usually doesn't drop instantly with fan speeds changing. It's a gradual change. When the cpu load shifts is when you'll see temps change instantly.
I'd play with the fan speeds after the virus scan is done and you can run Prime95 so that you'll have a constant steady workload. That way the only thing that will change the temperature is the fans.
Probably. I'm just trying to help you get proper cooling without the case being crazy loud.
I deal with noisy fans myself but I have the fans capped. Going any higher doesn't cool my system any better.
tidal spindle
the virus scan itself will take me over 12 hours
last time i did this was when we were figuring out what was causing the issue and a full scan still didint end after that and it only crashed at like 83% completion
lost copper
I have set my pc under full load and have the fans at 50%
Then I'd set the fans to run at 100% and would literally only see a few degree difference. Just depends on the case and the heatsink involved.
Well sounds like reseating the GPU is what fixed it. Which I am very glad to hear it's not crashing anymore.
A poor connection can cause crashes. Fluctuations in resistence will effect voltage.
As things get hot it expands. As it cools it contracts. Gotta have good connections.
You do have a good GPU though. I'd feel quite satisfied with it. I really like xfx products so far. I've owned 2 of their GPUs and they've been great. Good cooling on them too.
tidal spindle
As things get hot it expands. As it cools it contracts. Gotta have good connecti...
yeah i know once it went up to like 80 celsisu i panicked turned on the fans to like 70-100% and it instantly cooled down 30 celsisus just like that
lost copper
My gpu temps cap out around 80-90° with custom fan curve. I need to get a tool kit, and thermal pads and redo my heatsink on mine. It's been over 3 years.
tidal spindle
yeah i know once it went up to like 80 celsisu i panicked turned on the fans to ...
and i was playing a game
lost copper
Yeah that's caused by a shift in work load. No fan is going to drop the temp instantly. Maybe by a few degrees but going from 70-100 wouldn't have that dramatic of a change, usually. I'd have to see your case to be able to know more.
If you have any mesh filters remove them.
Mesh filters = bad. Just dust your pc often and it won't build up inside.
Well lemme rephrase that. Remove the mesh filters if you're having temp issues.
lost copper
I gotcha
tidal spindle
and their hair i find them alot on the pc's front
lost copper
Yeah cat hair definitely keep them on
tidal spindle
in like a month the front is almost fully covered in cat hair
lost copper
Any exhaust fans you could probably remove them on those. Hair won't get in from there.
tidal spindle
case fans dont seem to cool down the cpu at all
and ive set them now back to cool based on motherboard temps rather than cpu
tidal spindle
omg its done
lost copper
Yeah all the case fans do is move cooler air in and hot air out of the case. Cpu fan is what gets the heat away from the heatsink.
lost copper
@tidal spindle how's it going buddy?
lost copper
That's great news. I'm happy to hear! I'm always around if you need any help and will do my best to help however I can.
tidal spindle
thank you
wise meadow
Hmm
tidal spindle
sup