4.0 Waypoint Update

[rare current]

A ship with the green laser power that never overheats would be so broken

[faint shadow]

And it would really help living ships

[rare current]

Most underrated change of 4.0 is that increasing standing with a race increases there mission rewards. Needs testing

But I have a 6 standing with gek and got two missions with frigate modules

[winged epoch]

they still didnt fix the bug where the reward displayed isnt the one you receive

its been there since forever

[faint shadow]

Some exceptionally good fixes have been pushed to experimental.

https://twitter.com/NoMansSky/status/1580247241180094464?t=X5ek5jiOXkeL2XovR3U_mw&s=19

Sean Murray (@NoMansSky)

New build pushed to experimental

Containing lots of fixes from first few days of Waypoint 💪🏻, and also already starting to see a bunch of improvements based on early feedback 🙏

https://t.co/SIpEQ8KPSQ

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Twitter · Oct 12, 2022, 5:21 PM

Really happy about this.

[pallid ridge]

yesss i hope they help address some of the concerns and upsets

[faint shadow]

And the spawning sac drop rate increase is soooooo nice.

[rare current]

This patch makes the update good for me, also explorers are useful now

[faint shadow]

Exactly. I will have to go searching for an S class explorer now. 🙂

[rare current]

Now with the patch this update gives people reasons to do things, and the people who don’t like it, why

Min maxers have more to do now that upgrades can be stronger so there’s even more of a reason to get that maxed out stuff

[kindred gull]

Imo you can't "fix" something that wasn't an issue but ok

And the permanent difficulty option doesn't make the game harder

[tacit flume]

something not an issue for one person may be a substantial issue for another player. shrug

[kindred gull]

Yeah but i just don't see why you would see it as an issue

Anyways, not going to start an argument

[tacit flume]

yep, agree to disagree, if the lock works for people, good!

[silent palm]

So can you basically cheat now with the difficulty sliders? like you can eliminate grinding by making everything free and then just toggle it back to normal when you're done?

[jade lion]

You can play however you want, I don't think it's cheating if it's sitting there in the options

[silent palm]

Well yeah but in the past you had to decide if you were doing creative mode or normal mode. and if you were in normal mode but wanted to bypass some grinding you had to use a trainer or something.

Anyway It seems cool. I'm gonna try not to do all that. I just started fresh on Switch.

[jade lion]

You can also lock yourself out from making any changes if the temptation is too strong

[silent palm]

I might just mess with "goods availability" from time to time so I don't have to hunt for whatever I need to buy so much. but Ill still engage with the economy to buy the stuff.

[winged epoch]

These dont seem to be working

I have the same stats as before even after installing new mods just in case

and didnt really notice in feel

[small drift]

I imagine what they mean is that the max range of stat bonuses were increased, not that all values were increased

[winged epoch]

Well that's annoying

[eternal hedge]

yall the new update got rid of most of my technology 😨

[outer lake]

@eternal hedge join the club lol

[lucid hollow]

I think the main thing here is that we are getting somewhere, just gotta keep asking for 3+3 being added as a difficulty option

they added difficulty lock

[keen hatch]

I highly doubt the probability curves are different for different difficulty settings
I suppose u got a wrong impression from a small sample size

Additional chances for perfect-ish X class rolls were introduced in Outlaws, and they absolutely were mode-invariant

[faint shadow]

I may do an experiment and see. Open 100 mods on each save. And do multiple batches of 100 on different difficulty to see and record the data. if there's actually a difference it should show up.

[oak totem]

Despite people screaming for it i dont think hg will increase cap. Seems like a definite change

But thats just my viewpoint

But who knows

[tacit flume]

I'd like to see them address the nerf frigates on missions took next (i.e. give the freighters some love, now that some tweaks to starship upgrades and exosuit have been made)

[olive jewel]

yeah

frigates and freighter upgrades would be great

[oak totem]

At least a bit stat bump would have been neat

[olive jewel]

or a total re work 😄

[tacit flume]

a big rework is likely not coming any time soon, given the recent (Endurance) update that reworked base parts, fixed the longstanding fuel efficiency unit bug, etc. but some tweaks would be good, considering the impact of 4.0 on all those upgrades.

[olive jewel]

i know but more functions for it would be nice

[oak totem]

Again kinda doubt thats soon

[keen hatch]

100 is actually a low number too bcoz we get a perfect roll approx. every 10 (?) modules

[timid garden]

When is the expedition? Does anyone know?

[pallid ridge]

no word so far

[timid garden]

Thank you! :))

[tacit flume]

there might not even be an expedition with this update, we'll know when we know. they might decide to do another rerun instead of 5-8 later in the year

[lucid hollow]

frankly i figured they were gonna just run expansions regularly in 6 batches of 2 month long events on a cycle, that way you can hard code it into the game and keep it going even without online capabilities

[small drift]

So has anyone been able to get a derelict freighter ticket from Helios since 4.0? It seems like they just removed that and now we're forced to buy them

[pallid ridge]

whaaaaaa? noooo. maybe it's a bug that needs reporting?

@tacit flume have you heard about this?

[small drift]

A NMS streamer I talked to and a couple people in there haven't been able to get them either

[tacit flume]

I haven't but I'm not in a save where I've bought and used one yet. I'll check that later today. (my test will be on 4.03 fwiw)

[tacit flume]

followup: ran a derelict, went to anomaly, verified ods is on, no otion for freebie from groot-entity. bad news. (4.03)

[pallid ridge]

ty so much for checking. super sad i hope they didn't remove it for good, on purpose

[tacit flume]

I expect that was a bug, at any rate I would urge people to report it

[pallid ridge]

hundo p! 👈 @small drift 🙏

[small drift]

I’m off to bed but will do tomorrow. Thanks for checking aspergos

[winged epoch]

Fixed an issue that could cause Exosuit Upgrade Chart hints to continue displaying after the chart had been used or sold.
ah finally no more of this annoyance

[pallid ridge]

[winged epoch]

oh what the fuck this supercharged tech scales super hard with some tech but not others

[lucid hollow]

i dunno, supercharged slots feel cool but really out of place

[jade lion]

Seems like big stat boosts don't get as much gain as little stat boosts

[lucid hollow]

yes it feels cool, but if this is to help "fix" losing 3+3, i think a ton of people would prefer the consistancy than a random slot in tech having this supercharged attribute

[winged epoch]

but then

[lucid hollow]

its almost like they've put a soft cap on it

very odd

[winged epoch]

I believe its random on purpose to encourage strategic tech building with adjacency bonuses and what tech you need to supercharge

[lucid hollow]

but i mean... most people already did that

most people who cared enough about ship stats to do adacency anyway

[winged epoch]

now its more interesting as you can build in a certain pattern to utilize those slots and get even more power

[lucid hollow]

i get that, just hoping this isnt their "solution" to 3+3, and just its own thing they decided to add

i think alot of people just want to be able to use all their tech they had again, and not just exact numbers since they put a ton of time into getting it

and splitting it between your ships is not a solution to wanting to use it all

[winged epoch]

ok it seems like a flat bonus modifier, for eg one of my life support tech went from 62% to 78%, and another one went from 64% to 80%

hmm maybe not

3% solar panel became 28%, 27% solar panel became 58%

lol some stuff doesnt get supercharged

damage is the same

[lucid hollow]

hmm what if the supercharged slots just bring a modules bonus up to the max for its type, damage bonuses for Pulse spitters dont go higher than 3% as far as im aware

but have a bare minimum bonus

[winged epoch]

It won't increase even the 1% damage modifier

[lucid hollow]

seperate thing

tell me if THIS sounds right to you

they nerfed activated indium down to 165 right?

Activated Indium - 165 per unit

gold has now been nerfed below activated indium it is now 163

Gold - 163 per unit

SILVER is 186 UNITS

now silver is more expensive than gold

all because they nerfed activated indium for some reason

[winged epoch]

Gold is 353 units

[lucid hollow]

huh odd

[jade lion]

Platinum, gold, silver, then ai

[oak totem]

i mean im not against a softcap tbh

[keen hatch]

Damage might be not same in absolute numbers, but same in rounded percentage

[keen hatch]

How about jetpack supercharge?

[rare current]

Kinda interesting, now we have to go for tech bonuses and pick ones that are

[lucid hollow]

i just really want 3+3 and inventory tech back

I like big number, this big number but both is even bigger number

[rare current]

I don’t want tech in general, but a cap size to 6 would be nice. But then they’d have to halve shield tech, because 6 shield and six shield sentinel upgrades was broken

[lucid hollow]

again this is where my opinion differs, 3 for tech is fine and i prefer having inventory with a 3 cap limit to, there is a trade off to it

you give up space, for power. thats a fair trade off to allow for twice the maximum amount of tech

and i consider it a fair trade off, especially prior to 4.0 where they had much less inventory space

[rare current]

True but if you have all available tech in your inventory it only leaves 6 slots, so you’d still have to sacrifice certain anomaly upgrades. But I don’t think tech in general was very good, it was super confusing when I was a new player which is what their trying to avoid with this update.

[lucid hollow]

i fail to see whats confusing

you put tech in inventory, tech works.

[rare current]

I didn’t realize I had a tech inventory because the tab was very small in VR, and so I put stuff in general until I found it like 8 hours later. It’s not very intuitive as new players will have to watch guides to find out how to effectively use both

[lucid hollow]

i mean.... objectively thats not super confusing, and the new inventory ui would have solved that since you have both on one page as is.
I think thats more an issue with UI clarity than tech in inventory itself

the way you described your issue, i dont think you would have even realised that you had a way to install tech if it was in the tech slots by default. Since the issue wasn't that tech could be installed in the inventory, but you literally couldnt see the Tech Tab

and effectively using both is the same as effectively using one, since you just do the same thing for both sides.
The fundamentals haven't changed, just how far you can take them has been taken way back for no reason

[small drift]

Personally I wish the upgrades were uncapped, but a fixed (and probably smaller than current) number of max tech slots. If people want to go all-in in upgrading one stat then let them, but it will be at the expense of other things. I think allowing players to customize their build while enforcing tradeoffs makes the game better

[small drift]

ok, bug reported! well hopefully it's a bug

[grand marten]

hey

[frozen pier]

Is it me or after the latest patch update, Permadeath now have two save slots like the rest of the game modes ?

[pallid ridge]

weeeird since 4.04? have you changed any of your settings that could've affected that?

[frozen pier]

Nope, never changed difficulty settings for all my saves

[pallid ridge]

i'll have to check my perma save later to see if it changed for me. if true, it's probably best to report it to HG's Zendesk

!hg

[meager lion]

You can submit bug reports, suggestions or feedback to Hello Games here: https://hellogames.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

[rare current]

How does supercharged tech work and with a sixty slot inventory how many do you get

[grand marten]

I dont know for exosuit but on MTs and Starships it goes 1>4 C>S

also it can make a bad X class a top tier

[rare current]

What? So s classes get 4 while c classes get 1?

[grand marten]

thats what Ive heard

[rare current]

You get 4?! That’s insane, could you put three of the same tech (ex: 3 shields) in three separate slots and sacrifice adjacency for supercharge (I don’t know which is better)

[grand marten]

they arent always placed in the same area though not clustered usually that is up to RNG

[rare current]

I know, I’m saying could you scatter your tech and not go for adjacency

[grand marten]

true tbh its better to have 1 every 2nd space then every 2nd space down too

that way you can buff the main parts of 4 things at once

[rare current]

Could the rng bless you with a cluster of supercharges

[winged epoch]

So far it seems like having the core tech in the slot is almost always better than having an upgrade and there might be a soft cap

[rare current]

Does putting the core tech give a percentage boost to all upgrades? Does it affect adjacency

[grand marten]

only since core tech doesnt have a number attached thus hard capping cept via cluster buffs

[small drift]

watching this all play out is like watching a good bill get introduced in Congress, only for people to complain and it finally passes as something no one is very happy with

[rare current]

Wouldn’t super charging core tech only be more effective then charging tech if your upgrades are high stats?

[rare current]

Right? Supercharging might end up being my favorite feature all of 4.0

[winged epoch]

I'm not entirely sure how it's working, I think it is doing what you're saying as for example putting a pulse splitter mod gives me a little bit of a damage boost but having the main tech be there gives a huge difference but yes I think it might be because I have 3 S class mods with it

Seems to work with practically any tech that has an effect that could be scaled

[rare current]

Does it affect sentinel upgrades with the same stat? Ex: Jetpack tanks

Wait, this means there’s actually a reason for people to go for S class freighters besides it’s few perks, as they have more supercharged slots then normal freighters

[winged epoch]

yeah sentinel upgrades also work

[rare current]

I mean like if I boost the core Jetpack, will sentinel upgrades affecting jet packs also be buffed

[winged epoch]

also man I hope they add a way to upgrade freighter class too, I really dont want to spend hours to get one

[rare current]

Same, I’m one of those who’d rather grind for nanites then look for things starting in S class

[winged epoch]

yeah if your sentinel upgrade has a jetpack boosting stat it adds to the core and boosts

[rare current]

Dang, so boosting core tech is the way to go

If your willing to get perfect upgrades I guess

[winged epoch]

good thing about it as it gives much love to exocrafts and multitools

exocrafts ZOOM hard

[rare current]

I forgot about exos. Hardly use because the boost button doesn’t work in VR. But I can just imagine minatours jumping into the upper atmosphere

[winged epoch]

went from 31u to 40u on the nomad and I really feel it

but it seems like an exponential upgrade as the colossus nearly doubled in speed

[rare current]

Speedy colossus gonna look goofy as hell

Might need to finally get all the exo crafts

[grand marten]

Sohaiil do you not want to spend the time rerolling X classes

[rare current]

😳😳😳

Colossus has always been useful in VR, it moves up and down less making it easier to steer, and it also is higher off the ground which is huge for VR as you can see further and tell what’s happening

[winged epoch]

it also sticks to the ground better if you dont want to be floaty

[rare current]

They should add a small decoratable room with base parts in the colossus that friends can go in. Maybe pet storage in there and you have to transport them to buyers

[grand marten]

or just like the Dropship insides from shooter games

[rare current]

Maybe supercharging core tech was unintended because it’s kinda broken (especially with photon)

[oak totem]

wonder when supercharged comes to stable

[lucid hollow]

kinda annoying something like that is based on rng

you could just be stuck with a really shitty roll of slots, and i feel thats something that should again, have been player choice

this is why I advocate for 3+3 over something like this, players like to be able to choose their power. It shouldnt be forcibly restrained and it definately shouldnt be rng outside of slight variations in s class modules and the purposefully rng x class modules

i fail to see why they think taking away player choice is a good thing in an update about player choice

[grand marten]

i mena true, but rng keeps this game alive with players having to keep finding new ships with "the best tech configs"

[rare current]

For ships and multi tools it’s good, but exosuit

[small drift]

power levels should definitely be forcibly restrained if there is to be any balance and challenge in the game. maybe they should make a mode just for people who want to break the game completely with endless tech upgrades. because asking HG to balance game content from new players all the way to people running "i am a god" upgrades is an extremely difficult task

[grand marten]

they arent trying to take away player choice, they are trying to add balance to a game it would have been hard to reform combat in and so min/maxers arent way ahead of those who dont try to min/max but do some slight min/maxing

in fact me and quite many others think it would have been nigh impossible if they had not done the 4.0 tech stuff if they were to add more combat related content

[lucid hollow]

i dont see how balance is a possible reason when they've just made it so you can control the difficulty in the first place

I dont feel balance is at all a good reason to introduce these changes when you've given the choice of "balance" to the players with the difficulty menu, so make 3+3 a menu option, it should be our choice if everything else is.

[grand marten]

ok so you wana go code that yourself then?

[lucid hollow]

thats not an argument, and if you really want to get into it, it was a mechanic already in the game that was removed, so its been coded

[grand marten]

and its not all the changes due to balance, its to balance the new players against the vets not the NPCs
the reason I suspect they did it was for more combat related updates

have you ever seen a game with which an experimental build doesn't contain prep work build for more major updates?

I havent

[lucid hollow]

several, again thats not a valid argument.

your giving the reason of i should code it when im not the game developer, and speculating that they might make other features down the line for "balance", when im talking about the here and now.

[grand marten]

but again Im saying "now" is prep work

[lucid hollow]

the "you should do it then" argument should have stopped being used after grade school

i get that its prep work, but why not make 3+3 an option since everything else is

[signal raven]

hey, I'm loving the FSR 2 implementation, but it seems like photo mode uses the internal resolution before upscaling to take images, is there any setting I can change?

[grand marten]

most things that Ive seen is 2+4 not 3+3? or do you mean the full trees that was before 4.0

atleast what Ive seen on Exosuit and MT

[lucid hollow]

3+3 is the mechanic where tech can be installed in the inventory for an extra 3 max tech modules

that is what im refering to

[grand marten]

so you really just want more tech modules for more min/maxing

[lucid hollow]

well everything else is an option, including inventory stacks, so why not?

balance is player choice at this point, you can have invulnerability and infinite everything if you want, so let us just have 3+3 back

[grand marten]

I mean at this point I somewhat agree but then again like I wanna see whats coming without complainig

yes I know the convo is about here and now

but this is still an evolving game

so there is likely more stuff relating to these reasons to come

[timid garden]

So what’s up with the super charge? I ask because I don’t have it 🥲

[jade lion]

New mechanic (in experimental branch) that makes some tech slots supercharged slots - boosting the stats of tech placed in there.

[rare current]

I do think the new system is much better but it for sure should be player choice in difficulty options

I want to try getting multiple supercharged jet pack upgrades and then getting max boost power and then punch jump and rocket jump at the same time. You’d go so fast

[near otter]

Ah, I guess that's their solution to the loss of 3+3 techs?

[simple creek]

Yes, for some reason it is

As of now, I dont understand the change, why it was made and especially that there was no warning of this

[near otter]

Yeah the bad part isn't even the change per say (even if for those who farmed for days to get the perfect X class, it sucks) but the lack of warning

also the fact that I need to reorganise all my inventories

[grand marten]

i like the pew pew of pew pew

[near otter]

Wait so supercharged slots are randomly there? You can't "create" one?

[grand marten]

[near otter]

It makes this feature 9000% less good..

[raven dove]

It honestly adds some much needed depth to tech layouts. Even with 3+3, tech layouts in the late game become pretty homogeneous as everyone settles on the agreed upon best layout. With tech only going in the tech Inventory, this problem would only get worse as everyone would again gravitate towards whatever the most optimal layout is for 6 rows of 10 slots and max tech upgrades.

By adding this bit of randomness with the supercharged slots, it forces players to figure out what’s the optimal layout for them rather than just copying from Reddit, Twitter, Discord, etc. Players will need to puzzle out how to arrange their tech to make the best use of both the supercharged slots and adjacency bonuses. It also forces the players to prioritize what tech they want to supercharge since they won’t have enough to supercharge everything.

It’s almost like an RPG system where players can build into certain specializations based on how they allocate their stats. Like jetpacking a lot, supercharge your jet pack upgrades. Like exploring extreme hazard planets, supercharge your hazard protection. Want bonkers damage on your favorite weapon, supercharge that weapon and it’s upgrades.

I for one welcome the additional depth added by this new system. It makes deciding how you arrange your tech matter more.

[near otter]

I agree with most of this, but I'm still sad about the fact that there's only a very little amount of supercharged slot
Because at least 10 would be great, it allows for more freedom in late and mid game, and it takes us back to the 3+3 a little more

[lucid hollow]

i disagree, If anything it just makes the issue worse, people are just gonna hunt for the best ship slots, and it gives save editors a literal legitimate power advantage that really no other player could match. (yes save editors could skip most of the process of obtaining the modules but outside of literal modding, they were bound by the same restrictions of other players)

now they can optimize their builds by giving themselves the most optimal supercharged slots

people want to claim save editor this save editor that, but modding is a whole other thing and much harder to safely do.
this is a literal direct advantage that other players could never obtain without 1 in a hundred thousand odds by the much easier process of save editing

[grand marten]

but wouldnt they then also have to add the ability to add more superslots

[grand marten]

otherwise the only difference now would between the two would be how long it takes both parties to get "optimal setups"

[lucid hollow]

there is a defined max

and im just talking about positions of the slots

[near otter]

I mean, I don't know how save editors are coded, but I feel like giving the ability to just supercharge all your slots wouldn't be too hard to do..

Which then makes Okuyashoe right, in that now save editor users will have a clear advantage over "vanilla" players

[small drift]

advantage of what? no one is competing with anyone in the game, and player vs. player combat isn't exactly what this game is good at

[raven dove]

I mean, if you wanna bring up the Save Editor argument, then remember that they've always had the advantage of letting players literally do whatever.
What I was talking about was within the bounds of the game mechanics and regarding those players who choose not to use external tools like save editors.
If we take the new Supercharged Slots mechanic on it's own, ignoring save editors (which, again, have always allowed circumventing intended game mechanics/balance), then I believe my point still stands.

[keen hatch]

Why would you care how strong are other ppl's builds tho? Its not pvp game or anything, their builds have 0 effect on u
The "issue" addressed here is technology nerfs and boring tech management, and supercharged slots deal with both of them pretty well.
Other people being stronger due to abuse of glitches/exploits/3rd party software is not an issue for the reasons i stated above

[lucid hollow]

Actually it is a pvp game to an extent

Second if we shouldn't care then why remove 3+3 it's how I want to build my ship, and it only affects me. Balance shouldn't be a problem if it's only me to worry about

[tacit flume]

pvp only works if it's consensual and done with players you trust, and organizing such things takes work. it's not at the core of nms.

3+3 was removed, but now you have difficulty sliders and (soon) supercharged slots.

[grand marten]

most aren't some are

not many but likely atleast a handful

also PVP is a secondary objective of a secondary part of the game

like Multiplayer is a secondary part of the overall point of the game which is solo space explorer, and then PVP is a secondary part of multiplayer

[lucid hollow]

Yes but why not both especially when 3+3 was already a major aspect many players liked?

Make it a difficulty option like inventory stack size. Best of both worlds.
No reason not to.

[tacit flume]

feel free to suggest it to hg

[lucid hollow]

Already have

[grand marten]

heheh Permadeath stack size 100 for raw minerals

one for high val items

[proper hemlock]

Oh wow switch got the update already 😂

That's quick

[keen hatch]

Bcoz having a general page and lots of upgrades (therefore enormous tech pages) is now clearly against HG vision of how inventory should work
Ppl were upset about stats nerfs - they buffed certain stats (ignored defense and warp range, so its also clear they dont want them as high as before for everyone) and indroduced a tool for players to further buff stats of their choice
I see that as a nice compromise

[keen hatch]

About tech overload cap sliders,
So far the difficulty sliders follow the idea "keep player strength constant, tune surrounding factors difficulty"
U don't need more defence or weapon upgrades if u can tune ur enemies strength.
As for QoL stats - well, we got our ship agility back, and lets be honest, we dont need 3000+ warp range, 1000 is enough to take u from one t3 system to another (and we still have freighters with almost 5000 range), and we also didn't need so much life support gauge (i dont remember when i charged it last time lol).
The only question is jetpack, but after 3 patches its clear we have to compromise on that one, HG doesn't want us to remain in the air for 18s for some reason. And soon we'll be able to supercharge it.

[timid arrow]

As someone who spent a lot of time getting good X class rolls, seems to me they are reaching a nice compromise point.
Eg my jetpack has a little less flight time now, but the recharge seems faster.
Looking forward to the supercharged slots.

I can fly across the main lobby of the anomaly and up by Polo easily, so that seems like a good baseline lol

[naive shadow]

i think overall you can never make everyone happy

[timid arrow]

Oh for sure
😅

[small drift]

I think most people who want super OP gear are forgetting that HG has to balance the game for everyone. Yes there's difficulty options, but most people will play the game standard on Normal. So either endgame players will never be challenged by current or future content, or the large percentage of people playing the game casually will suffer with overtuned enemies. Or we can move to enemies that scale with player gear, which I imagine most people don't want.

Personally, although I would change some things, right now is a good compromise. I don't like the supercharged slots because they again disrupt the game balance and they feel like a quick attempt to placate players who were leaving negative game reviews. Maybe if they significantly nerfed the enhancements of supercharging they might be ok

[rare current]

Free purchases isn’t that different then without it tbh

[lucid hollow]

ok? if thats how people want to play let them, again not wanting to give that choice yet making every other game breaking thing a choice is plain ridiculous.
Game balance wise, if your argument is that people will most of the time play on normal, then making it an option makes perfect sense. since most wont touch it except the people who want it knowing it will destroy "game balance", just like the people to turn on invincibility, infinite everything, and not needing several pieces of tech like color star drives and teleport reciever/matter beam

[winged epoch]

yeah it really is a weird hill that HG wants to die on, I dont think most people would care about toggling the number of allowed tech aside from legacy players that preferred it

although some stuff will literally break the game like having 6 S class exocraft engine modules, I guess that might be why

actually yeah now that I typed that out, it might be the reason they arent allowing it back

and not allowing this for only exocrafts and tools sounds weird

[lucid hollow]

to be fair its up to the player already if they want to "break the game"

[rare current]

Yeah… it wouldn’t work that great. They should add a Experimental tab to difficultly maybe next big update with settings like tech limits and funny settings like mutators (tiny characters, speed, jump power, no starter Multi-tool, no starter ship/expedition 3 exotics) just settings for messing around

[small drift]

I still think the best compromise would be to let upgrades be unlimited, but massively reduce number of tech slots. So if you want 9 warp upgrades then great go for it, but you're going to have to drop shields or weapons to do that. Allow the freedom, but force hard choices in how the player builds their ship/exosuit/exocraft

[winged epoch]

I'm saying literally, like the game could cause unexpected behaviour such as clipping through walls and such

or negative damage

[raven dove]

Supercharged slots are effectively the same thing as that. They grant amazing bonuses to stats, but the limited number mean the player has to decide what stats they want to prioritize.

I was testing it on experimental the other night and my exosuit had the super slots not connected to one another. I wanted a broad set of bonuses, so I put two sentinel upgrades in two super slots and the third super slot had an X class hazard upgrade that buffed each of my 4 hazard protections. If I wanted to buff my jet pack instead, I could do that, but it would be at the expense of those better stats on my hazard protection.

My other main game is Destiny 2 and it has a “build crafting” system where we apply different mods to our armor pieces to augment our character stats, like damage reduction, agility, ability regen, etc. I see this new supercharged slots concept as a step in that direction for NMS, where we can build craft our travelers to specialize in different things depending on what stats we choose to buff with the supercharged slots.

[small drift]

It's not the same as supercharged because you can get amazing bonuses from them, but you still have 60 tech slots so you can have a full array of other tech upgrades. What I'm saying is big bonuses should come with a big cost. like I would probably make max tech slots 30. it would push people have more unique builds that can focus on their playstyle.

[white trout]

Did the inventory management in 4.X get nerfed? it looks like they tried streamlining it by giving us less options. I thought you had more storage capacity the old way vs the new one. In addition to limiting what installed tech you could use. Also what happened to the ability to access exocraft inventory remotely? Was that removed in 4.X? Is the text/inventory ment to be harder to read? Or was that a unintentional design error, and will be changed in the coming 4.0.X update?

[timid arrow]

There is much more storage now, but you will have to unlock it.
You can have less tech but tech got buffed and more changes are on the way.
You can still access exocraft inventory afaik.

[white trout]

Same as ship inventory? with that module installed? Or its just standard on active exocraft now? Yeah i didn't feel it was more spacious, maybe its on the switch i haven't explored past the 4.0.3 and above updates on the other platforms, or on pc yet. So im not sure if im walking into a crap sandwich. Alot of the stuff on the switch build seems lagtastic/unstable though, when its running fine its awesome. Is this experience the same on pc tho? Did they release experimental on steam only or is gog included on the experimental releases?

[timid arrow]

Storage is massive across the board now.
Current releases are pinned in #nms-questions

[white trout]

On switch build how do we do missions for quick silver/cosmetics? I didn't see the options just a preorder zone in the anomaly. On the PC build (im only slowly turtling through it right now) i see we still have missions and rewards. Is this stripped out on the switch build? Or am i missing where its at on switch? Same spot as on pc builds right?

[timid arrow]

I dont have switch but I recall seeing other people reporting the same thing, all I can say is hang tight

[white trout]

Thanks!

ahh okay so thats why it feels like the storage is massively limited, i thought they severely screwed the pooch so to say. I see there is a slider on pc build on switch i don't see it. Good to know its not me

[timid arrow]

Storage is absurd now lol
Even the buildable storage units got a major buff
Exocraft too

[small drift]

If they had reduced the backpack cargo slots, perhaps people would actually use exocrafts for hauling again. but as it stands they are just mobile storage units

[raven dove]

Considering we also have remote access to our freighter inventory with the right tech installed, it’s gonna take more than that to make exocrafts actually useful. As it stands, I only use the mech, both for its built in hazard protection that doesn’t need recharge, and the cool factor. As for the other exocraft, they sort of fall into a niche. If a destination is far enough, it’s easier to just hop in the ship. If it’s close enough, we can just jet pack our way there. There’s a very small window where an exocraft may be useful getting from point A to B. Aside from that, the only other reason to use them is just because you want to joy ride around a planet. Here’s what I would suggest:

• let us do target sweep from within our exocraft, or at least in the exo-mech.
• unify exocraft and exo-mech technologies (aside from mech specific tech like the jets)
• let us access our exocraft inventories in some sort of tabbed interface accessible from the exocraft materializer terminal on the freighter. Easier to check our exocraft inventory without needing to deploy planetside
• either from the exocraft terminal or the scanning room interface, let us choose a planet to “deploy mech” to. That would transition us to piloting the mech in “titan fall” at a random location on the chosen planet. Trade off being we don’t need to fly directly to the planet, but we can’t choose where we land. (Or give us POIs to choose from in the discovery screen)
• better base top speeds on exocraft (boosted slots might somewhat address this)
• on the Roamer and the Colossus, let a second player ride along as a passenger.

[raven dove]

Lmao. Even Foxxcon wants 3+3 to come back.

[winged epoch]

oh this is neat

[raven dove]

I want that as a wallpaper

[near otter]

Added an option on the inventory page to temporarily expand large inventories and view them without the need to scroll.

YES THANK YOU

[small drift]

^ Still don't know why it's not just on a separate tab but hey I'll take it

[near otter]

Yeah separate tabs were fine imo, but I'll also take it

[timid arrow]

Well I have a ship with ~2400 maneuverability now, and an MT with > 24k damage potential.
That's without even trying lol

5116 for freighter range, so that's still a little less than before

[raven dove]

The new Inventory expansion buttons are just tabs with extra steps.

[winged epoch]

Wish it was persistent, then it wouldn't be extra steps

Like always show my cargo for other inventories too when I expand that, when I know I won't be dealing with tech for quite a while

[night aspen]

Because tabs within tabs is not following UI design principles for usability and such. Current method is somewhat better but not perfect.

There's so much extra space on the right where they could add more slots instead of scrolling

[night aspen]

instead of all this space being wasted for a model of your ship or bag

the model could be displayed up there and inventory show up horizontally

[timid arrow]

Nice

[night aspen]

At least we could eliminate scroll for cargo this way

[timid arrow]

Looks much nicer imo

[grand marten]

hey Boo, hows SC slots

[night aspen]

op

fun

[raven dove]

SC slots make exocraft actually semi-useful

[small drift]

yeah I'd be ok with this, although I still find the icons to be too small to read at a glance now. at least on console

[timid arrow]

Im having a lot of fun.
Supercharged pulse spitter is great lol

[faint shadow]

The SC slots have given me a whole new reason to hunt ships now. Finding one with a layout I want has opened up opportunities for interesting builds.

You can also supercharge the bobbleheads which I find pretty funny.

[raven dove]

They need to give some sort of description on tech that doesn’t have numbers, to describe how supercharging affects it.

[faint shadow]

Yeah. And a description on the polo and Artemis figurines getting adjacency bonus with the custom starship trails.

[rare current]

Put it on zendesk

[grand marten]

heheh our inventory of tech becomes all SC but 4 slots

[graceful elk]

I'm torn on the spitter supercharge, it is indeed powerful but fires so rapidly it's hard to aim

[rare current]

Kinda want a semi auto shotgun

[timid arrow]

Mine has a stream of projectiles, seems very easy to aim.
The scatter blaster has a bit of recoil though

[graceful elk]

not saying impossible, just harder to keep on target without scope for me at 25k damage vs 10k

I'll probably get used to it, still melts sentinels at an obscenely rapid rate

[urban lagoon]

Hey guys, quick question. What does HG mean by an 'increased level cap' in their update description?

I've played on and off since release, mostly coinciding with updates and expeditions in recent times, and I don't recall there being explicit 'levels' to things beyond the letter scale for ships/equipment/upgrades/etc. Did they add like an 'S+' or something?

[pallid ridge]

Which patch notes are you referring to? Trying to find a mention of "increased level cap" in the 4.05 patch notes but don't see it

There've been a few patches so I'm not sure which note you're asking about. Here's HG's Release Log for reference where you can see all the updates: https://www.nomanssky.com/release-log/

[urban lagoon]

Ah, in the steam update notification, there is a line underneath the update video that reads "Inventories have been overhauled, with ships, weapons and players having their level cap greatly increased. Survival, crafting, combat and controls can now all be customised to cater for travellers’ unique play styles."

I'm not allowed to post images in this thread, otherwise I would send a screenshot.

[pallid ridge]

You're welcome to post in #nms-media before you're level 5 (familiar role)

[pallid ridge]

That does make things sound a bit confusing as in what they'd refer to as "level cap." My take on it based on the updates I'm aware of, we now have increased inventory space, and tech now has increased stats as well. We now even have supercharged slots as well (as of 4.05).

[urban lagoon]

I'll clarify that I am merely confused/curious about what they could be referring to-- I'm not upset about anything. I recall there being substantial amounts of drama regarding changes to progression on the subreddit, and I don't intend to stir the pot.

[urban lagoon]

Noted. Thank you!

[grand marten]

where are the FUL FULL patch notes
where all the patch notes are like separated by section and just marked with dots like the following
Inventory
-Redesign of UI
-Stack sized increase for Perma
-number changed for changing location of single stack

nvm

found em

[urban lagoon]

Supercharged slots sound fun. I was already looking forward to sitting down and going through my main save to change up how I have built things, but more ways to customize things is always welcomed.

[pallid ridge]

Totes! Thankfully HG was quick with the patches that are addressing major concerns from 4.0. Some of the stats I've seen from folks, with damage in multitools as an example, are impressive

[grand marten]

yea 48->120 iirc is certainly MUCH better since a separation of tech/cargo

48 general section not countint 27 of tech, and 48 cargo area (that holds 2x more then general per single slot

Back to Skyrim

[urban lagoon]

Awesome! I was thinking of waiting for the next expedition for another binge, but I might just play around a bit now to see what is up.

[timid arrow]

Im loving the new update.
The increased cap refers to more storage, upgrade ability and some stuff in the progression with stations/npcs from what I gathered.
Many people were put off by some of the changes but HG has been very receptive to feedback.

Re the cap/progression, for example

[white trout]

I'd rather have the extreme buff of storage in player suit cargo slots. The exocraft buffed like the base storage inventory is nice, but helps as a sort of rolling mobile inventory, as for the tech... wish they'd take it a slightly different direction, say you have 12 modules same tech, but want 3 groups separated by space and not touching each other. Then you can so long as it's not 5x touching just 4x and then spaced away from that one group and a additional 4x

[white trout]

That helps depending on screen size played on!

Is there a way to teleport our companions to planets and with us ? On the switch version, is local teleportation supposed to be broke and not work with teleportation cables?

[tacit flume]

you go to a planet, check the quick menu and summon your companion there

SRTs should work but I have heard of players with issues on the Switch, I would just report it as a bug to hg

!hg

[meager lion]

You can submit bug reports, suggestions or feedback to Hello Games here: https://hellogames.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

[white trout]

Thanks. Yeah on pc I had no issue using it and was thinking it was something switch specific.

[white trout]

Is the minotaur ai supposed to at random go on purging rampages and kill local wildlife (if their not hostile) is there a enable/disable for rampage mode outside of uninstalling the ai portion on the minotaur?

[tacit flume]

you can disable the ai pilot in the quick menu

I believe it's under the gear (utilities) section

[fluid whale]

Wow, you minotaur is doing that?
I cannot even get mine to help fight Sentinels.
Let's trade.
Lol

[white trout]

Lmao i love it I'll share a mini screenclip

[fluid whale]

Cool

[white trout]

Hmm posted it in help since it's disabled here

[fluid whale]

So, I'm speaking with one of my frigate commanders and I see an icon for feed vessel... Looks like it wants an S class Hermetic Seal??
What is that and where do I get?

[white trout]

It's hilarious though. Running around mining and I see local green wild life being ravaged by the ai. Now the ones that have red paw I get because it's protecting me. But it's comical because it's going to town on non hostile wildlife too

[white trout]

I think it's a bug. I only see weird graphics/emblems on recharging modules and stuff. It looks to be gone on the switch 4.0.4 build though only for the minotaur ai and other exocraft I seen it in

[fluid whale]

So now I'm definitely going to summon it and see what I get.
Iirc it didn't even help with the Monstrosities.

[white trout]

Really?

It basically wrecked monstrosities for me while I ran around collecting their eggs/horrid stuff

Granted it did sustain some module damage since it ran infront of me while I was under poison spitfire but I mean it took a ton of damage before it suffered module damage

[faint shadow]

Exocraft with supercharged slots are so much fun to use now.

[timid arrow]

Haha yep, the minotaur is pretty absurd

[outer lake]

I completely forgot about the exocraft

[small drift]

fun maybe but still lack a reason to exist at this point

[raven dove]

They need to overhaul both the exocraft along with the base building side quest. The base NPC’s you recruit are largely made redundant by the upgrades you get from the anomaly. By the time I recruited the Exocraft specialist, I had already unlocked all the exocraft from the anomaly. And once you’ve completed all the quests, the base NPC’s and their terminals are basically just decorative.

[small drift]

yeah i'm surprised they didn't revise the base quests and the general early hours of the main story for the Switch release, they are pretty tedious and crusty at this point

[white trout]

😆

[jade lion]

Fun is a reason

[tacit flume]

fun is why we play games 😛

[winged epoch]

Exocrafts could do with more love but even in their current state they're quite useful for certain playstyles especially survival now that they have actual cargo I can use and not taken up by upgrades

They're better for collecting tons of mining resources than doing it on foot

If you're playing on expensive difficulty they're cheaper to use than starships

[raven dove]

Those are all really good points.
Too bad for me, I cranked all the difficulty sliders I could as high as they go on my 300+ hour save that had gotten boring because I was basically god. Still can’t change my stack sizes though, which still leaves the exocraft firmly in the “just for fun” category for me.

[winged epoch]

Try on a new game, it's actually very interesting

I unlocked the roamer quick and started using it on my base planet, real damn helpful even with minimal upgrades

[small drift]

Fun is a reason, but fun doesn't account for (I think) 5 different exocraft vehicles. And they certainly weren't about just fun when they were introduced. But HG hasn't kept them relevant to the gameplay as the game around them changed

[tacit flume]

hmm I find 'em all ok but the colossus which is basically just more inventory

the roamer is your classic all terrain vehicle and fun to drive for that alone. the nomad glides well and does great over water. the pilgrim zips around on land dodging all obstacles. and the minotaur is the minotaur

shrug

[small drift]

well I will end discussion on this here as it's veering off of 4.0 topic, but needless to say I agree to disagree with that. the exocrafts can be fun, but should primarily serve a gameplay purpose and each one should have their own use.

[white trout]

So glad to see on the 4.0.4 switch build alot of fixes. Still needs polish but it's getting better. The disappearing inventory on ship salvage (ex I have 2 ships one with inventory full another I'm salvaging the one being salvaged has nothing in its inventory the one stored doesnt) after 4.0.3 update to 4.0.4 on switch my ships missing inventory miraculously reappeared when I reloaded my survival save. Lots of goofy missing glitched out graphics on recharging exocraft vehicles or their tech disappeared too. So that's a improvement.

Crashing... has gotten worse though, and if you are too fast to get in and out of any exocraft or even your ship, you can cause the game to crash (luckily saving is fast enough that in my vase I've suffered no data loss)

Also on switch build 4.0.4 a new fun thing has appeared. The exocraft minotaur great purge. For whatever reason with ai enabled, it goes on rampages and annihilates hostile, non hostile local wild life, in addition to its help during sentinal attacks. Great fun to see in action but it absolutely needs a enable aggression on hostile only toggle besides packing up the ai tech to stop it from its extinction level event course of action on any planet w/local wildlife period.

Trying to tame local wildlife why minotaur exterminates the fed animal can.. be a annoyance

[lucid hollow]

as far as im aware you still cant trade players repackaged technology modules like they said you could

[timid arrow]

You can disable it easily

[raven dove]

Correct. I tested this last night and it’s still broken.
Hopefully they’ll fix it soon.

[lucid hollow]

i already reported it but not many people are aware its even a thing

[keen hatch]

I hope HG havent gone on vacation already

Being left with non-tradeable packaged tech, bugged exploration journal mission, broken base difficulty icons and no hotkeys for tech/cargo page expansion would be a bummer

But a week without experimental uppdates is not a good sign

[winged epoch]

Will be in next year's update 👍

[white trout]

Why yes, yes I and others can. I think I mentioned that solution too.

[white trout]

I thought that was deliberate so folks can't just trade good tech they found out to buff folks. Wasnt aware this a bug

[white trout]

I'd rail on them but I can't see doing so mainly because they corrected alot of wrongs and false advertising making it not false advertising. It's the biggest reason I bought the nms on gog, steam, and on switch

[timid arrow]

You mentioned "besides packing up the ai tech to stop it", that's not what Im talking about.
You can use the quick menu.

That feature was added in a patch, seems lots of people overlooked it.

[lucid hollow]

its a listed feature in the update

[uncut herald]

@uncut herald - get subscribed.

Of course, of course...my multi-versal counterpart.

[viral harness]

Fellow Interlopers...!

Is there a way to manually supercharge your slots?

[outer lake]

I am afraid not, otherwise my infra-knife would be seriously deadly

[viral harness]

Unfortunate

[tacit flume]

this just adds another reason to hunt for specific multitools or ships, so that you can find the optimal sc slot layout for your needs

[faint shadow]

So I picked up a very special Multitool today. >:D
I'm glad the community was able to find this beauty. Cause I've been wanting to play around with one of these that has 4 slots adjacent to each other.

[timid garden]

I’d love to have one of those 😩

[faint shadow]

Have fun!

https://youtu.be/TNz2b3YcBh4

No need to reload either. It's in Euclid and is on the planet. There's a base labeled S class Multitool that's near it.

Here's a video of it in action ( normal mode )

Haha. Nearly 700k on one animal scan when you put the scan mods in the slots.
And the range is nuts!

[small drift]

Looking at that video, all I can think is that I don't know how HG will ever be able to release challenging content. I feel bad for whoever there has to do game balancing, having to deal with supercharged slots

[winged epoch]

is it really that godly

[rare current]

FR, super charged slots shouldn’t affect damage

[small drift]

It looks pretty OP to me, absolutely. But more importantly the slots increase the power level spectrum dramatically, making it potentially very difficult to release content that is challenging for end gamers but doesn't also roll over newbies and midgamers. NMS (so far) doesn't have the luxury of gating content for endgame play (i.e. raids and such) -- most all content is available for all players who have progressed past the beginning hours of the game.

[lucid hollow]

can we trade repacked tech yet?

or is it still bugged?

[tacit flume]

I didn't see a fix for that listed in the experimental patch notes, so I imagine it's still broken

[keen hatch]

Still broken

Tbh at this point i dont believe they will ever fix that

[finite cape]

The Switch patches are taking very long to approve

[timid garden]

Bet they ain’t fix that tho 😂

[keen hatch]

Yikes

[pallid ridge]

You can't enter the anomaly?

[timid garden]

No I can it just freezes when I try to enter and I have to wait for a minute or two and then it lets me continue through there

[pallid ridge]

Which platform?

[timid garden]

Xbox

& switch tbh it does it on both

[pallid ridge]

Wow Even with MP disabled?

[timid garden]

Yes. Honestly my multiplayer also doesn’t work and I say that because there was a lot of times (this is before my game pass ran out btw) where I’d load in and nobody would show up. My multiplayer generally stays on.

And switch doesn’t support multiplayer at all so

[pallid ridge]

So crazy. And that's Series X? I'm also assuming you got today's update 4.06, right?

[timid garden]

Which I think sucks because it makes it to where you can’t do quicksilver missions at all

[timid garden]

I have series s and yes I updated it this morning

[pallid ridge]

Yeah it sucks. But there is a way for you to get some Quicksilver, outside of Nexus missions. I'll have to find the exact info I'd shared from Bkay before, one sec.

[pallid ridge]

Ouch. So the videos are after the patch? I'm also assuming you reported it to HG right?

I remember trying to help someone get to the anomaly for a ride I was giving them, they were on Xbox too, and reported a similar issue. Disabling MP helped them. I'll try testing it on Series X altho I don't recall experiencing this issue recently, since 4.0

[pallid ridge]

@timid garden here's the info re: QS

bkay201#1943 confirmed sources of Quicksilver for Switch should still be:

the space anomaly quest should reward some, pre 4.0 it was about (or a little more than) 1.5k qs, and then there's the condensed stellar ice space encounter
started a new save, and already received x300 from the SA quest line, so i'd think that's still working for SW users too

[pallid ridge]

@open ravine you've confirmed these sources post 4.0? As in they should still work for Switch players, right?

[open ravine]

i've obtained qs from the space anomaly quest post 4.0, yeah 🙂

CSI is also still available and dropping the same amount as before, x100

[timid garden]

How do I get the stellar ice to show up? I haven’t came across any yet is why I ask

[pallid ridge]

Quoting @open ravine here:

it's basically pulse, trigger space encounter, shoot stellar ice, land/exit ship, reload (repeat as many times as you can or want)

try looking it up on r/nmscoordinateexchange, i'm sure there's plenty of systems with easy access (i.e. short pulse time requirement) to condensed stellar ice

!SearchNmsce Stellar Ice

[meager lion]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NMSCoordinateExchange/search/?q=Stellar Ice

[pallid ridge]

Let's see...

That link should work ✅

[graceful elk]

happens to me occasionally on series x since 4.0. some days I enter anomaly fine, others it's go find something else to do for 10 minutes while you wait. as for multiplayer not working, this mostly happens when I quick resume the game, quitting and restarting usually fixes it for me

[rare current]

I think the weapon bonus by supercharging the main module is a bug. Because unlike everything else, weapon upgrades aren’t multiplied and are instead added bonuses (from xaines video) but it multiplies the basic tech module instead of adding which seems like a bug

[keen hatch]

It multiplies everything by 1.25. Additive or multiplicative defines how this modificator is inserted into the chain of calculations

Main module has, say, 70 dmg. Upgrades have, say, 3 dmg each.
So we have 70*1.25 +3+3+3 without adjacency

[small drift]

at the very least it seems like a bad decision from a gameplay pov, because I don't think there's a reason to ever use a supercharged slot on anything other than the base tech

[near otter]

The bad decision imo is to make them random and so few of them
I feel like I'm gonna use a save editor when they're out so I can get the suit I like, or ship I like, and that's not.. the best way to play

[tacit flume]

I think having them differ based on seed adds another factor when hunting ships or multi-tools. most people won't care about having the absolutely perfect layout, that's more of a minmaxer thing

[west spoke]

I'm just loving the difficulty options

You can make a survival/creative sort of gamemode

[tacit flume]

yep; you want tons of damage and no resource grind? you can do that. you want the opposite? you can do that too!

[timid arrow]

Agreed, totally unexpected and a great feature.

[tacit flume]

I wonder if people will be able to tweak the settings to some degree on expeditions (so those who want them to be super combat-tough can have that and those who want them to be a more chill experience can have that)

[kindred gull]

Where did expeditions go

I feel like this update would be the perfect one for a new expedition because of all the balance and qol but ig they're waiting for some proper content first

[tacit flume]

they might be stickign to 4 per year, with late nov through new year's as a quietre time for the devs (i.e. rerun). we'll see

[timid arrow]

They apparently devoted quite a bit of time/effort to ironing out bugs and perceived balance issues, which is great imo.

[near otter]

Yeah, if the expedition followed the launch of 4.0, it would have been a bit of a disaster imo
But if it's done after a few patches, new minor features like the supercharged slots, it's cool, it helps us discover it properly

[rare current]

Here’s hoping that we’ll get an expedition in a month or two and it’s on the level of emergence and leviathan

[lucid hollow]

Still haven't fixed being able to trade repackaged tech modules as far as I'm aware

[timid garden]

Are there capes on switch yet? 😭

[tacit flume]

no

[white trout]

I didn't see that I'll look for it in the 4.0.7 update. Maybe it's hidden in the menu?

[white trout]

I didn't see that. Then again on the switch version mp isn't available. So no trading to begin with. I assume it's on the pc and mp enabled versions though.

Edit: no way it's in the switch menu I didn't see that before

[white trout]

I haven't been able to recreate that issue.

[white trout]

I'm hoping they release mp at some point on switch given they've made it this far on something claimed to not at all be technically capable of running nms. So of course it falls back on.. where there's a will there's a way

[timid arrow]

It's been there since prior to 4.0

It's under the utilities cog

[white trout]

On switch version? i haven't been playing pc version lately in favor of the switch build

But yes i see it there now, honestly didn'tcheck pc build just switch Also glad to see super slots are in 4.0.7 thats awesome in multitool and the equipment grid

[white trout]

Wait a minute. On nms do our fleet ships level up based on # of missions we send them on? I didn't see that in any of the update notes. If it was mentioned can someone point it out too me? Or do we currently have to buy higher ranked ships for our fleet and discard/dismiss the lower ranked ships?

[timid arrow]

Yes, they cap out at 55 expeditions, so for normal mechanical frigates that's one of the main stats people consider.

Otoh for organic frigates they all start at 0 expeditions, so buying at S is advised

[white trout]

Ohhhhh so if they already are past 55 successful expeditions they won't level up further?

My god i screwed myself buying all these frigates with level c status and having over 100-170 successful expeditions. Dang now i gotta dismiss and replace.

[tacit flume]

yes, you will want to replace them over time and improve your fleet

[white trout]

My god so much has changed. So wait we can still only have 1 capital freighter right? Can we upgrade our capital ship class? I got the body of freighter i want and the right crew i want but i thought we could upgrade the classes now

[timid arrow]

they cap at 55 expeditions, not encounters, just to be clear.

[timid arrow]

You cannot upgrade freighter class

[white trout]

dang thanks for answering my questions all

[timid arrow]

@white trout sure np, also this might be helpful

[white trout]

I always looked at expeditions i had it so wrong thought more successful expeditions was preferred not unpreferred

[timid arrow]

Generally 4 or less is good for C class

[white trout]

Well great purge there goes 190mil lol can we salvage the credits we sank into the class C ships from buying them?

[timid arrow]

Not afaik

[white trout]

well nuts im just gonna have to replace them slowly then. have like 12 class c's and 3 class a and 1 class b. Time to start buying new and filtering out old when i hit what was it 30 freighter limit?

driving me nuts as they keep coming back from expeditions totally wrecked or in critical, despite being sent on low tier missions and matched appropriately.

[tacit flume]

still only 1 freighter, that's right (system or capital, whichever)

you can transfer all your tech over if you get a new one though. just not cargo bulkheads

[crude hornet]

anyone realy want ship customisation in the next update?

[tacit flume]

that is a great question for #nms-the-future

[pallid ridge]

@green kiln Ty for the awesome summary of 4.0 updates in #no-mans-sky: <#no-mans-sky message>

Do you mind if you post that here, where I can pin it. In #no-mans-sky, we'd probably lose track of it more easily. I'll ask @jade lion and @open ravine to take a look at it when they're on in case it needs any edits or additions.

[green kiln]

Yes. This is a good place to put things down. It will also be easier to point others to the thread instead of trying to guide them to either look at the pins in channel, or pasting the message link. Thank you @pallid ridge

[pallid ridge]

4.0 Update in a Nutshell

• Inventory Overhaul
  General and Cargo inventories were merged into one. Excluding Exocrafts, all Tech and Cargo inventories can now be upgraded up to 60 and 120 slots, respectively. Where applicable, class limits both max tech and cargo upgrade limits, with different cargo limits applied per ship type. Storage containers now have 50 slots.

• Slot Overhaul
  Technology inventories now have a chance to contain supercharged slots that offer substantial boosts to the stats of technology or modules installed in those slots. You can recognize a supercharged slot by its bluish lit color with bright border.

• Technology Packaging
  We can now "package" installed tech and upgrade modules, preserving their stats, effectively allowing players to migrate entire builds to other gear (existing or newly acquired). Packaging can also be used to prevent tech and/or upgrade modules from being damaged.

• Module Limitations
  An old, exploited bug that previously allowed 6 upgrades (3 in tech, 3 in general) has been fixed, in turn restricting us to 3 upgrades of the same type + however many available blueprints. With the new supercharged slots and some upgrade module types having their stat ranges rebalanced, the assumed "nerf" can be compensated to a degree. Starship specialization bonuses have also been raised.

• Inventory Overview
  Through toggle buttons on the left, the inventory UI provides item and tech filter overlays to reduce the time spent managing inventory. Expand buttons can toggle between minimized and expanded displays, to show full Technology or Cargo inventory grids.

• General GUI Overhaul
  The game GUI has been changed to look more streamlined and tabulated, making it easier to navigate.

• Difficulty Settings
  Update 4.0 also introduced robust Difficulty Settings, giving us the ability to thoroughly customize our gameplay experience. Except for Permadeath and Expedition, all other game modes (Creative, Relaxed, Normal, Survival, and Custom) can play with each other in multiplayer.

Contributor: @green kiln, Singular Gleam#4977, bkay201#1943
Last Updated: Feb 9 2023
Note: Please reply to this if you identify any errors or information missing that should be updated. Thank you.

[green kiln]

🥹

Thank you

[pallid ridge]

Thank YOU

[jade lion]

Tweaking a bit

[oak totem]

A tad bit late into the update for this summary innit?

Idk

Oh nevermind was an answer

I didnt spot the @ reply

[pallid ridge]

Yeah. Some folks are still shocked when they get back in the game after a long while, by all the changes without a clear in-game run-down of why their inventory looks so "broken". We want to reduce the post-4.0 trauma with a helpful recap

[oak totem]

Wasnt a complaint just moment of confusion

[pallid ridge]

@nocturne kite (i still gotta do a couple of edits but you get the gist)

[oak totem]

is mitey correcting u?`lol

[pallid ridge]

? Oh no. He was curious what updates we've had since he took a break from NMS

[oak totem]

ah ok

[pallid ridge]

@green kiln, fyi, Gleam, Bkay and I made a few edits to this pin. please check it out and let me know if you see anything missing or have any concerns about the changes.

[green kiln]

Okay.

Looks great to me.

[faint perch]

can threads be archived?

if yes, itd probably be good to lock these older ones

[jade lion]

They say as they revive the thread

[pallid ridge]

You unarchived it by typing in it

There's actually an important pin in this thread that we may redirect members to. So this type of thread could get unarchived now and then.

Members are welcome to unsubscribe from threads anytime if they don't want them to show for them.

[near otter]

Sooooo.. all those tech I kept after the big inventory mess update, should I just get rid of them or are they useful somewhere?

[jade lion]

If they aren't for the suit you could keep the, for another ship/tool. Suit ones aren't going to be any use

[near otter]

What does a maxed out suit tech looks like now? Can I have an inventory screen? o:

Just to know if I'm missing something or if I'm good with that:

oooh they added an expand button so we don't have to scroll all the time, nice

[pallid ridge]

!Faq-SuitLayout

[meager lion]

to view, enable Link Preview

Ideal Layout for Exosuit Synergy
See image below »

Contributor: DHarhanWulf#3455

[pallid ridge]

In case that helps

[pallid ridge]

Yeah, that's a nice feature

[near otter]

Wait, you can get so many hazard shields now?

Same with jetpack stuff?

[oak totem]

Uh correct me if im wrong but dont admins have perms to completely lock a thread? @jade lion @pallid ridge

[jade lion]

Yep, we haven't intentionally

Lol, why is everyone concerned with this thread all of a sudden

[pallid ridge]

Yes, but we don't feel the need to for some of these as I mentioned above

There's actually an important pin in this thread that we may redirect members to. So this type of thread could get unarchived now and then.

Members are welcome to unsubscribe from threads anytime if they don't want them to show for them.

[oak totem]

Allright

Sorry

[pallid ridge]

@slim nymph In case this Pinned Message helps: <#1027995012622983378 message>

[pallid ridge]

Here you go @tawny elk In case it helps <#1027995012622983378 message>