#nms-legacy-ships
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Fair enough, you're right about the dice tho
@zenith bolt i don't see you in the station, im doin a full game reboot
I was gonna elaborate on the dice thing, but I'm sending this instead so this doesn't turn into #dice
Yer I'm restarting
Gonna trigger freighter battle, probably a dreadnought one so might not spawn
Same
Yep dreadnought spawn so won't spawn that way
Are you on pd or expedition save?
Maybe it'll be easier to add my friend code, unless you're on psn rn
I'm on a normal save
Got ps+?
Yeah
Hmm I'm seeing folk at anomaly
I was in the space station not the anomaly
So was I, but I went to anomoly, to make sure my mp connection ok
Ok mine is working too, I'll come back
My psn is Hippie1896
Nms is 51SW-71NG-GAJEP
@zenith bolt what's up?
dunno
I didnt know if it worked, cause ship disappeared for me when i sold it
Yeah its done that for me a few times
Like the whole bay will glitch out and I can't even see the texture
did slots stay the same? 2 together?
for me
Same for me
Thats good for all around, pulse engine on one, infraknife on the double and hyperdrive on the last (I don't care about shields)
that one is from an old expedition i believe
Starborn Runner, expedition reward
the other one is free from steam right now
I think that free DLC has finished
go to the steam store page for no mans sky
you'll see it there
he's right. it might be over
dangggg
I thought it finished?
yeah looks that way. they still have it on their steam page tho
so i'm not sure
I thought end was 19th Dec
yeah i posted that in the sc
So what are the expedition things
Is like the ones I send my frigates on
From the frieghter
nah different. it's like a really long mission that uses a "seperate save file" within your save file.
Where do I acsess it
Okay thanks
How do I get it from a steam account to ps5?
you dont, unless you have the Game on PC and PS5
Bummer ☹️
I have that I really want the other one tho ngl
damn I don't use switch but switch users always get left out
Lol thats what Nintendo gets for bein so proprietary
If zelda didn't exist I wouldn't have a switch 😂
same
I’m around.
@blazing portal happy to give ya one, dm me matey
in game or on here?
Discord matey, 
If anyone wants this I have it and can give it to you, I won't have it for long tho
Is there a way to gift ships to other players? I didn't think that was possible.
Yeah, we add eachother as friends and then I meet you in a space station and you interact with an npc after they swap ships with me and then you talk to the npc and claim it for free
If you want it its yours
Thank you. 🙂 okay. But I won't be on u til later.
Just ping me in this chat or send me a dm when you get on, I'll hold on to it for you
Tysm ❤️😊
@supple quartz do you happen to have a Phoenix starborn runner just wondering
I does and do 🙃
are you willing to trade for it
Sure, I’ll just give you one lol
I was confused as to why it wouldn't let me reload my restore point 😂
I dm you but I see your busy rn with something ig so I'll wait until your done
Sorry haha
All good buddy
Just made my ideal solar ship 🙂
damn
Would anyone be free to give me a teleport with the potal to get a solar ship?
Have you found a pirate controlled system yet?
I am in a system that apparantly has the ship
Because they have much higher chance to have solar ships
O I see
Are you waiting in the space station
Trade station on planet
Oh yea then idk
Gotta keep waiting
Might be worth going to a pirate system
Gonna get a friend to help with one more
Sweet
Very nice
Is there a ship exposition happening right now
nope but I did do every ship expedition lol and if you asking generally then yes there is I think
If you have Normandy you gotta find a way to get it in the background
yea sure I'll get on that later
found my first S frig
Nice. Hefty price and looks worth it 🙂
It's worth more than my freighter
Ahahaha
While it may sound a bit silly at first it’s actually better in the long run to purchase frigates (not including Living Frigates) at C class with less than 4 expeditions
You’ll end up having a S class with superior stats.
(Really only matters if you actually want to min max to the max lol)
I was unaware that they grew.
They rank up with expeditions, from memory rankups are at 4, 8, 15, 25, and from that point on, every 5 expeditions till 55
Frigates level up. Freighters do not.
Certain systems have set ship spawns right? So if someone else says they found a Starwolf cockpit in a system I’d eventually find one there too right?
As I was typing that. The exact ship from the photo I was waiting to land landed
So now I know
how do you see the speed
of a ship
there isn't a speed stat
I feel like speed is more important than hyperdrive range
not a more important stat to have
but a more important stat to show
You can view your ships boost or unboosted speed by looking in the ships cockpit tho this is entirely redundant considering 800u is the max speed in atmosphere that will actually influence your speed everything above ~800 u/s is getting you the same speed.
why is there an 800u limit?
Systems have 21 ship models (seeds) tied to it, if someone has found a ship in a system with that Cockpit part other players will aswell.
No idea.
That’s a decision HG has made, likely to relieve stress on rendering.
In addition to this, iirc boosted speed in space is around 4000 - 4200 can’t remember the exact
which ship types can you actually build? Are there any other than the normal ones (fighter, hauler, explorer, solar, probably something else I'm missing)?
Fighter, hauler, solar and explorer.
The ones displayed are what you can build
and what's the point of shuttles? they don't have a unique gimmick and just feel kinda bad at everything
“All rounder” or you could say the most filler ship there is, the basic bitch
Some like the design, I personally do not see the appeal.
I'd rather use a solar ship as an "all-rounder"
Then do that, I’m providing you an answer for an opinion based question.
And if you really want, you can get a sentinel ship very early. That's also has better stats in general than shuttles.
IMHO Solar ships in combat are not great, in 3rd PV the Solar Sail obscures the target
I guess I can't judge that since I barely ever fight in my ship
but then a sentinel ship
I can't imagine a shuttle is a better all-rounder than a sentinel ship
Sentinel Ship is one that can actually hover in an atmosphere
what does that have to do with anything
I mean
I guess it's an argument for sentinel ships being good
yeah
that actually answers my question
Funny thing is Interceptors have high boost maneuverability, but low overall turning speed unboosted and Interceptors cap at 302.5 core maneuver lower than Shuttles at 330.0.
they're still better at most things
Change that to some things, regardless pretty well anything in this game can work exceptionally if upgraded with the best possible modules.
Because interceptors aren’t an all rounder lol.
@supple quartz what’s your favorite all rounder ship?
The all rounder is more of a joke lol taking a jab more so at the conversations topic and those involved 😉
Ah! Well what’s your favorite in general?
Fighters, I adore their design, and since ship fabrication, well that sent me into a wormhole of what I want to do.
My main fighter I have been using for years now is this lil one.
Beautiful and elegant!
I do like the starborn Phoenix they gave us, but I also like the transformer like action of the interceptor wings
Interceptors are beautiful I do adore their design.
Lemme see if I have a pic of my personal favourite
Soon I hope to try my hand at building one but I’m still pretty new. Just last weekend I finished the atlas/artemis quest line
Hot Rod, Tri-booster and Hardframe E Wings
I really wanted to fabricate an X-wing but couldn't find a cockpit that didn't look right.
Here it is!
so Dark
Here's my go to sentinel
I like the white contrast
Named it Angel of Death, seemed fitting
Mmm I love both of em
I'm not gonna actually buy it because I don't need a B class explorer, but I still want to share this cool looking ship
Pretty! I wish they let us have more than 12 ships!
I never take living ships, but I always keep an egg on me in case I find a nice looking one
I'm doing the Starbirth quest rn
Slightly annoying each step having a 24hr timer
You can change your system's time in the settings
That way, you can do it in a single day
I could but not exactly rushing the quest.
Looking forward to owning a living ship
Am I right in guessing I don't have to accept the first one I come across?
Idk
I would imagine you don't, because that's how it works after getting your first one
if you create a save point at the right moment, you could reload until u find a satisfying one
Definitely do not follow this advice. @plain ibex
Altering date and time settings can break other timed or regular mechanics.
Best to deal with the annoying timer than break something else.
Aye, just biding my time exploring and finding a new paradise planet to call home
Ya definitely better than making something else not work.
It was not advice. It was a statement. I didn't say "do this". I said "you can do this"
Regardless, the statement provided is poor information that can lead to more issues.
Wait wait wait, you can TAKE a living ship??
if you already have one
you just have to do the speedy while holding an egg
then you get a transmission that just lets you take a living ship for an amount of nanites
I don’t even know how to start that whole process, I understand I have to buy a void egg, right? Is it random what kind comes out of it or is it standard the first time?
What kind? They're all the same, they just look different
I think it's random how it looks though, yes
That’s what I meant, appearance is what I’m looking for as far as variety.
if you want one, I can give you a void egg or just a finished living ship
Really? How do you give things to other players? That would be so cool!
If I find a Sentinel whose appearance I love, can I keep farming that planet to try and improve the layout of the supercharged slots?
Where/when is the right place for the restore point to do this, if I can?
I love the Sentinel's hyperdrive, but my Living Ship's weapons output is better and I'm trying to bridge the gap.
Yes
Make a base at the harmonic camp, it will take you to multiple ship crash sites if you go there multiple times
I guess
DM me?
If you want one?
It's hard to explain
So I found myself a dissonant pirate system so I can try and farm locstors from the sky, but seeing very few resonators compared to what I'm used to, even going super slow, because I know they don't pop in until late. Am I missing something?
I'm gonna stop hunting exotics for now
I got a very good guppy
And I'm happy with that
I sent you a dm
Show us your pretty guppy, please!
I didn't say pretty, I said good. It has great stats. But sure, I guess.
Ha ha, that’s just me, nearly all the ships are “pretty” to me, I really enjoy this game. It could be a big clonker but if it’s fun to fly, that’s good enough for me!
Oooh that’s adorable!
I think guppies just in general look absolutely amazing
they're also arguably the smallest ships
the only competition is a specific type of sentinel ships that I don't remember the name of
Yea I found a planet like that where the resonators are super far between might be worth to just find another system
You go too the same space station. He trades the living ship to an NPC, then you buy it before that NPC takes off. You’ll need about 40 million units give or take.
You can give them high value items to sell
Thank you
Now that I've found the spot that spawns the exact Sentinel Interceptor appearance I want, What's the correct process to Restore/Reload to get improved supercharge slots?
Build a base neareby? Do I have to jump in to the system each time? Etc.
build a base at a harmonic camp, ping ships from harmonic camp. There is only 1 sentinel design per dissonant system. Each crash site has its own class and SC layout slot, so only way to find a better Class/ sc slot layout is to find another crash site
PInging twice from the same camp won't return the same crash site?
do u need to complete each ship before pinging another?
that's gorgeous! do u have the glyphs?
I'm afraid not, got the ship months ago
Am I allowed to link a reddit post here?
if it's a ship with glyphs i would assume so?
You got cords?
I actually found it on Reddit, that's why I didn't send an image before I was asked
I'll see if I can find the post again
Any idea how i could find a hotrod cockpit?
Camp a random space station to wait and see if one turns up or use the nms glyph exchange reddit or website and look for one
Mind sending me the link to the website?
USB-C, lightning, micro-USB, or mini-USB?
thanks mate
Very nice, enjoy 🙂
hot rod lookin solar ship. red and beige. reminds of a 50's classic car. euclid galaxy
if looking for an s-class pirate dreadnought, can i just bounce back and forth between 2 pirate systems or no?
Yes I believe that works but there’s a faster way
Go between systems till you get a dreadnought then save
Then fight as normal and if it’s not S then reload save
Cool, ty
How much warp range does an s class dread nought have anyone know
depends on the upgrades
i got this one most recently but i really wish it had the tank feet and wasnt orange and white
If I recall correctly, when I got mine first it was somewhere close to 2k-2.5k and now it's 4.6k still not maxed out
should I get this or nah not worth it
I wouldn’t
yeah not with 10m units
I didnt end up doing it
does slots on a freighter matter? like this is an A25+13, but if i can raise it regardless, what do i care what it starts as
not quite sure what to make of this one. all orange. x wing top and bottom w/ full carriage and antenna. euclid
nice lookin blue and metal fighter. euclid
oh i always forget those wings open up lol
How many crashed sentinel ships are on one planet? I’m trying to find good SC slots for one. I’ve salvaged and marked 15 unique ships. Now I keep getting sent to the same ships. Did I find all of them?
i could be wrong, but i'm pretty sure it's the same ship per dissonant system. SC included.
It is. But there are several different locations for the same ship with different SC slots and class.
The SC slots are random.
But if you collect it from the same location, the SC slots will always be the same.
Oh, that I didn’t know
Its possible, only way to know would be to somehow mark every one you go to, but Im not sure if anyone has even looked into it. I usually get to about 10 and then just pick the best out of the 10.
Ok from now on i am gonna destroy every orange sentinel i find freaking annoying 😬
I brought 2 hyaline brains back from the expedition. I was tired of the expedition, looking for an alluring specimen that didn't spawn the horror in the ground!
Can I get back to those ships or should I convert the brains into nanites?
I think everytime you locate a dissionance resonator in the harmonic camp it spawns another one… not super sure tho
I did. I drop base computers on all of them. Then when I find one with good slot, I go to that location and change the name to something like black sentinel 3+1.
This is the first time I didn’t find one I like. I was reloading every time it sent me to an old location. That worked until I had found 15. After that, I got old sites 10 times in a row and gave up.
I’m don’t think so. Pretty sure the harmonic camp sends you to the same site every time.
You could maybe try Carrier AI, see if it takes you to different ones? Im just thinking is there a limit on distance from the camp?
Or if you went to a different camp on same planet, would you get different ones?
That’s what I’m using. I’ve tried using the camp multiple times. It reveals the same site over and over.
did you claim the ship the first time there?
Yes. I claim it, fly to the space station and check and level it to a class to check the slots. If it’s bad, I reload in the space station to get my nanites back and scrap it.
When it sends you back to the same site, the ship respawns with the same SC slots, but you don’t have to repair it. You can just take it. If you need credits, that’s a good thing I guess. I don’t so it’s a waste of time to collect it. I reload.
I believe that the same SC slots open up each time you upgrade, so you kinda guess if its gonna have good sc slots or not. The only totally random sc slots on interceptors will be ones that are S class
Each site has different slots. You will sometimes get the same slots at different sites, but I think that’s just random.
Just reread what you wrote. Yes, it’s the same every time you upgrade the same ship.
Yes but when you upgrade the ship, the 1st slot will always be the same slot, the 2nd slot if its a C/B class will always be the same slot
Yes.
The slots are tied to the sore and will always be the same. Even if you go back years later.
should i only care that it's
or should i continue hunting?
only 2 SC visible, not adjacent, would be the ends of an L
Yer I would keep might take 200 years to find one with good slots
Sentinel, Orange and Black, folding wings, full spine, bottom rear i wings, Euclid
How can I get Icarus ship?
I don’t think it makes that much difference. You can make your frigate missions more efficient, but they don’t use that many resources or give you much back anyway.
That said, you can search YouTube if you want for the location of one with better slots.
black and blue sentinel. folding wings, wedge skirts, spine, bottom closed i-wing
huge hauler, euclid
I like the design
Do You remember the system You got it?
oh lawd he comin
afaik there's only the 1 design of pirate dreadnoughts? so any pirate system has a chance when you warp in (after owning your own freighter and saving 2 or 3 from pirate fighters on the save)
what do dreadnoughts do?
looking for someone who can give me the Starborn Phoenix Starship
if possible, thanks in advance.
Same as freighters, just a different skin
ah cool
You didn't claim it?
No unfortunately, I had a break from October until today and I didn't get any news of the ship as a gift
But I know that it is possible to "gift it" by exchanging it with NPCs in a space station
@supple quartz ?
Happy to give ya one matey, dm me
You have a lot?
Can just reload my save, only need one
This did not cross My mind 😅
Mine neither. I thought he was duping them or something in his inventory lol
😂
So you just sell your ship to an npc and then reload?
Essentially, the restore points made when I land exit my ship in a station, from there the trade then once the player claimed the ship I just exit the group then reload restore point.
oh, reload after they purchase your ship from the npc?
Yeh that’s just to ensure they actually claim the ship, sometimes people get to that point and go “fuck I have 12 ships”
Wait so you can copy ships??
It's a little more complicated if you want to keep the ship
Kinda
I can't explain it all that well though
Have something you'd like to share with the class?
Oh, basically I just looked up the wiki page which said the system type didn't matter for organic frigates.
if those are both exotics then the odds are 0% 🤔
Yeah. The same ship.
that shouldnt even be possible whattt
No the exotic can show up more than once
It’s just there’s only one exotic like combination
It’s not a see once per system I don’t think
oh really?
I figured it was claim one per system
knew it was one design per system
I found my first exotic ship yesterday - actually just wandering in some trees and found a landed pilot!
Nice ship
I have no idea if it’s anything special - but looks cool! 😀
About Icarus ship, someone know how to get it?
Yes it's cool
Better turn rate and only 1 model per systems so kinda rare
Icarus ship?
Thats a Hauler
There are more haulers in gek systems
Ship names are proc gen. So name does not mean much. Either find it by luck. By using internet or hunt down ship that have desired parts and build it yourself.
U can also ask in trade channel if someone has desired ship parts.
thanks dude i will try it 🙂
Hunted this yesterday
Was a hassle finding it
Wish there was a coordinate tracker or something instead of having to guess My directions
Hello, anyone giving away a phoenix? i missed the omega event and the give away
Were you able to find it? The third pic has the coordinates on the right side
Oh cool - thanks! 👍
Yes I did
It's just I don't really know how to use coordinates much
I have parts for those wings if you need them
well i need all ship haha
Oh yeah
I'll hunt for that cockpit when I get on later
And what's the tail look like?
@wise patio
Expedition 3
I learned something today !!
so proud of you my son!
thanks daddy , or wait . im old enough to be your daddy 😄
or just a really messed up family lol
Mint Green Sentinel. Calypso Galaxy.
Alabama ah family
Orange Exotic found in Calypso Galaxy
Orange White Sentinel. Vented skirts. Calypso Galaxy.
black and yellow sentinel, eissentam
Can anyone help identify these parts? I really like the look of this ship. It’s a hot rod nose? But what else?
Mono-Thruster, HotRod Cockpit, Horizon wings?
Awesome thanks, I’ll try to hunt them down
I think I have all three if you need
I have two of the 3 , but enjoy the hunt and checking out other ships , thanks for the offer though
which are you missing?
Vykeen systems are best for hunting fighter parts
Just the wings
if you want i can swing them at you
the wings come in two variants, with or without the fin (verticle stablisor)
Oh nice, I’ll hunt for abit, I do like looking at ships but if I can’t get one ya I’ll hit one of y’all up though thanks
Is this considered an X wing?
Idk but that looks so cool
Flying stag Beatle I call mine 😀 love the colors
Do u have coordinates 🤔
I need to go sentinal ship hunting again
Didn't find the black & yellow I saw in the picture about bit found this one
Are you gonna repair it ? If you do could you show me picture after so I know if I wanna go after it
It's not damaged
Give me a sec I'll send u a inside picture & at the space station once I get the brain 😀
Oh thanks
🤦🏿♂️ need to sell a ship B4 I can take it 🤔 don't know how I reached 12 so easy
May have to sell the spare starborn I have 4 sum reason 🤔
I think there's only one sentinel ship type per system? So since you found the other sentinel ship you might have the wrong galaxy or glyphs! It's in Eissentam
I used the glyph from your picture.
Still new maybe I did something wrong will look again later 👍🏿
Hope dem helpful
Still t getting used to the game 😀
I like getting lower classes gives me a chance 2 upgrade
Thanks very helpful I couldn’t tell what color it was originally
🤔 I am on a paradise plant 😀 my mistake worked out ok 😀 4 now
I` ve got cabine you need. i can share
Nice one. All black looks good. I assume your wings also fold out into an X when flying?
I found mine a couple weeks ago and just got around to modding it. Not really happy with the damage from a 2+2 layout so going to try to find a 3+1.
Can someone explain the layout things to me I looked at the pin but it didn’t help very much??
Is it like if you have the upgrades for a technology surrounding it it does better
Or is it more complicated
And other tips on how to arrange are appreciated
I believe you're in Euclid, the default galaxy (not system). If you haven't finished the main quests yet you won't be able to travel to other galaxies. The glyphs are for the galaxy Eissentam :)
tech modules that share stats gain bonuses from being adjacent to each other
you can travel to other galaxies before completing the main story, it's just most often when players do it for the first time
Ah like using someone else's base/taxi?
that, or just core warping normally
hello everyone, would anyone have any spare iron vulture parts and could i purchase any please
try asking in #nms-lfg-or-trades
ty
it is spreading his legs 🙃
I am in Hilbert system so I must of mistyped the glyph address & auto correct work 😂
🤔 so updating does help with super charge slots.
Yea the wings open outward make it look like a stag beetle
If you go back to the same crash site, the SC slots will be the same no matter how much time has passed. There are multiple crash sites for the same ship though. The SC slots are random for each. I spent about 2-3 hours last night going from site to site and upgrading each one at the space station until I found one with a 3+1 layout.
Dang how many nanites did it cost
Or did you rest save so you only had to spend them once
That is a nice one
Name isn’t that nice
Legendary nms living ship pull
Just saw it lmao
it's my first one
How name squid ships y’all have
I wanted it to be completely randomn so idek what else it can look like but I love it
I don't have any
how much was it
i've got 425 mil
i haven't played in a while
I only get money through smuggling i haven't done much base building
I have upgrades that give me scan bonus
Get s class scanner upgrades at space station and just scan stuff
You get a crap ton
was it 23 billion then or 23 million bc if its million I definetely want it
Guys
I am a new player
I just saw an abandoned ship in space
What can i do??
Can i claim it?
Did it have a message for you?
If it did, that one starts a quest
I might have skipped it
I droped out of hyperspace
To open a message
And this ship was infront of me
Yeah, that's it, so the ship won't show up again bc you have the mission started
How much do you get per scan? Mines only like 60k
U can get over 500k per rare animal scan with good scanner modules
46
Anyone got a living ship I could have?
not too sure you can gift living ships
Billion
Ye
Most I got was 700k
orange and white sentinel. calypso galaxy
In relation to the conversation in help, @final plume A suggestion, the discord or reddit for the coordinates exchange would likely give you a larger range of results. The website is underdeveloped and rarely updated and used by wider hunters.
You would need to search by parts name if using discord or reddit, tho I believe the discord would have those parts name pinned if unfamiliar.
Thanks
Where do You and
How do You
Guys find living ships?
To get one you need to initiate the starbirth questline, to do this you need to activate a void egg (purchase from the quicksilver vendor at the anomaly) by pulsing with a void egg in your inventory, doing so will result in a random encounter with a LS, interacting with that LS will initiate the quest, continue the lengthy quest and you’ll be lead to a crash site.
If you want to farm specific sites for an LS you need to have starbirth active to the point a living ship can be located, from there resetting the quest will result in a crash site changing to a LS.
most occasions if you go specifically to a crash site uploaded by a user and reset there the ship will change to a Ls.
Suggested to use this method when you use your second void egg and beyond.
This is quite a helpful guide
Thank You so much
All good, tho if you want a more helpful guide you can use !faq-starbirth in #bot-spam if you get stuck or want to learn more.
@zealous cave I forgot to reply lol
Anybody new down to play
I have been non stop jumping looking for an S Class Freighter
Where can I find a Titan Wing part? Been looking for it almost all day.
Tried nmsge reddit and/or website
okay
What kind of ship design in-game do you think works best as someone who will be landing it on water regularly and engaging with aquatic base building and exploration?
Need a ship that looks like it works well with rolling on the waves.
Haulers generally have that kind of "waterfowl belly" sort of look.
That's the one that's like glowing balls, right?
Yes
I have some if you want them, I can't get on now but I will DM you when I can get on
Anyone here down to grou for a bit? it's been a while and I really need a crash course on the new content
Ok. I mainly need it in the current expedition. I can get it myself in my primary save.
do systems close together have similar ships ? been only finding tiny ships where Im at
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it's acutally not bad lookin in flight. kinda dig the rear facing fins.
little bit different from the norms
Oh wow
I didn’t know that the ugly back end folded out
Those ships are much more appealing now
Kinda neat watching it fold open and close
Some of them do
O
Orange and Chrome, in the galaxy's space station ( photon has the 4th sc slot
LF Starborn runner
Found in eissentam galaxy
My tv is messing with the glyphs so put a random one for the first one and fill the rest as normal
Should take you to the correct system
Then just find the dissonance planet
dang that one's nice.
what in the star wars lookin ship is that
Explorer
Happy to give ya one, tho this question would be best suited for #nms-lfg-or-trades
Is it possible to get a Titan Wing during an expedition?
Ty
Does anyone have coordinates to some solar systems within the Euclid Galaxy to some titan wing haulers that I can find during the expedition?
Very interesting looking Black and Grey Sentinel, dragonfly wings, vented skirts. First time finding black and grey as a combo. Calypso Galaxy
That one has cover on top, upper visibility blocked completely. I like to fly with first person view, so this ship is no go.
Oh that one looks like danger, nice find


Did you need something?
“just nod if you can hear me … is there anyone home?”
Oh damn unfortunate
Oh man I completely forgot you wanted these, I can get on in maybe 45 minutes if you can
No need for that. I finished the expedition yesterday.
hey, is there a guide for S-class pirate dreadnaught hunting?
I don't think there is.
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Anyone know a large sentinel ship that's Red and Black? Looking for one and would like multiple options.
U can repaint freighters. Not all elements can be repainted tho
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the Starship kind.
Thanks
Like this?
Not really. Also prefer one where no part of the ship can't obstruct my view.
This one? Galaxy nr 13
Is it in the Euclid Galaxy?
No, #13 like they said
Is there a way to get to another galaxy via portals?
No
You can get taxi’d there tho
!starcablink
Is there any view obstruction?
Can someone help me find the sentinel ship I want? I'm at the system for it. According to the glyphs, It said false for crashed. I do want it in those colors.
It said what? Never heard of 'false for crashed'. You're at the crash site?
Just go to location and check
Okay so make sure you're in the Euclid galaxy and the portal to those glyphs.
Doesn't work from other galaxies.
Then you'll arrive on the planet with those ships.
Maybe whoever found it was hoful enough to place a comm beacon for you to spot.
Otherwise, follow those coordinates in your ship
I am
Im assuming it says "Crashed: False" bc the OP didn't specify any crash site
Ok
Crash sites aren required for an interceptor if you are posting just the design
I wish it was completely black and red. There's the little blue guns(?)
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Interceptors may only be found and claimed in Dissonant systems. The system cannot be Uncharted, and the planet cannot be a Dead biome or Weird biome.

Locating:
Other Methods:
Any Nexus Missions or Frigate Combat Expeditions have a chance to reward the Carrier AI Fragment used to find an Interceptor.
Random Space Encounter - when pulsing and then receiving the notification of an encounter, drop out of pulse and use your ship communicator to answer the call. You should be directed to a suitable planet with Interceptors.

Claiming:
Claiming an Interceptor »

Sentinel Pillars will shut down the Corrupted Sentinels and leave the Dissonance Resonators, if needed.
you just need to locate any in that system and it should look the same as on the picture
☝️
There is site with big catalogue of sentinel ships. Today i tried couple planets and it worked. Can i post the link here?
It is already pinned here #nms-legacy-ships message
the Glowing Blue ones ?
Yes
I have them but wont be on for about an hour
I need to know system coords, I'm on switch
Got any hardframe (for fighter)?
Or starwolf fuselage (for solar)?
I have an interceptor and forgot what system I got it from, is there a way to find where i got it?
Not really. U can check discovery tab systems if system name rings any bells or look in teleporter menu if u visited ship system space station recently
I have both
I think
Yeah I have them
Yo anyone know how to get a squid ( I'm on ps btw) thanks 👍
They rarely appear at space stations and trade buildings instead of the round exotic ship you find in most systems
Ok thanks a lot
They are exotic ships meaning they could appear at a 1/301 rate in any system
However only 1/25 systems will spawn a squid and the other 24/25 will spawn ball exotics
God damn those are some low odds
Yea I’ve never seen one naturally
Hope I'm not the only one wondering... how does one decipher these coordinates?
How to turn those 4 values into x,y
The coords are not x, y
They’re another way of writing the glyphs
Oh
The ship can be found in the entire system
Each system has 21 models, 1 of which is always an exotic and these ships are always the only ones you find in that system
Also as a platform visitor?
Yes
Red an white
Eissental galaxy
Idk how to spell it
The one you get if you choose lush galaxy
Eissentam
Is anybody willing to trade me the starborn runner i sadly just missed the redux and i really want one
That's a nice one
Old question about ship colours.
I know U find the same design in the same system.
But do U get different colours on the same planet or U need to check different planet for different colours.
🤦🏿♂️ I always finding red & want sum better colours like yellow green black orange etc. 🤔
Or am I wrong
I got 1 spare
But I on console
Don't know how 2 swap tings yet 😀
Colour is tied to that seed, in other words colour is also part of the model/design for the 21 system models.
Still haven’t decided whether it’s a keeper (I think it was Euclid)
I like the colour and general design but not sure on the aerials
Yo that’s sick what class was it
I think it was a B
I love this design
I'm taking one
@rustic current
No stickers in this channel please
Planet: Karakin a, System: FL Karakin, Galaxy: Budullangr
Just claimed my first living ship, woo.
Lets go im on my final stage for mine i think i js don't understand it ill figure it out eventually
I'm in an outlaw system looking for solar ship components. I brought a pile of maps and have been hitting crash sites, but all them have had the same design at them. Bad luck, or is that the way it works?
Thats why I take screenshots with glyphs, even if I dont take it now, I can always go back later
I have no evidence to what I say next, except my own very limited experience so take it with a pinch of salt.
There are 21 ship designs in a system, but when it comes to crashed variants, I dont think there are crash sites for all 21 variants. In my limited experience, I tend to find 5 maybe 6 designs in a system.
So to answer your question, I think it is just the way it works. On the other side, solar ships are relatively cheap, even at S Class so might be worth buying from traders at trade outposts and scrapping them
Yeah, my next step was to hang out at a trade outpost and trade the repaired ships for stuff that flies in. Thanks for confirming that I'm not going nuts!
And wouldn't you know, a solar with exactly the wing configuration I was after landed not five minutes after finding the outpost.
Saw a reddit post regarding a ship that looks like this, I liked the design of it so I made one 🙂
Good news, I found all the parts I want for my solar.
Bad news, now I have to figure out what color to paint it.
I don’t suppose there’s a mod or a save game editor that lets you repaint your starship, is there?
no, just make a new one and colour it how you want 🤷♂️
Just wanted to put my stock of ship parts out here, if you want any shoot me a dm and we'll get you some parts, s class reactors included!
Is there a way to look for a specific system instead of going to free room and trying to find it yourself. I hope that makes sense. Looking to find some interceptors.
! faq-interceptor
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Interceptors may only be found and claimed in Dissonant systems. The system cannot be Uncharted, and the planet cannot be a Dead biome or Weird biome.

Locating:
Other Methods:
Any Nexus Missions or Frigate Combat Expeditions have a chance to reward the Carrier AI Fragment used to find an Interceptor.
Random Space Encounter - when pulsing and then receiving the notification of an encounter, drop out of pulse and use your ship communicator to answer the call. You should be directed to a suitable planet with Interceptors.

Claiming:
Claiming an Interceptor »

Sentinel Pillars will shut down the Corrupted Sentinels and leave the Dissonance Resonators, if needed.
Does this help?
Yes that helps, thank you!
Hey what’s the quest for living ships
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• To unlock Living Ships (!faq-livingship), the player needs to complete the full Starbirth quest once per save. Disable multiplayer when progressing the quest to avoid bugs.
• It's strongly recommended that the player has learned at least the first 12 portal glyphs (!faq-portalglyphs) in order to complete the quest.
• To start the quest, obtain and store 1 Void Egg (3200 QS at the Quicksilver Companion shop) in your suit inventory and then pulse in space until hailed by the Alien fallen host.
• Progressing the quest, keep the related items in your exosuit to avoid duplication and issues with progression.
• Quest has 4 real-time organ maturing phases, and another 2 final stages. Time skipping is highly discouraged, since it causes bugs anywhere in the save file that uses real time counters.
• If the current Starbirth mission objective mentions that "Unconventional travel may be required" to progress to the next stage, and the egg item card screams EUCLID 3 times find a portal in Euclid, and dial this address.
Also see Hunting for different Living Ship designs when completing Starbirth quest »

• To get additional Living Ships, the player will need a Void egg and 10k nanites per ship, but will not need to run the entire quest again. How To target specific crashed ship site coordinates found online »

Known Bugs:
• While waiting for the next organ to mature, changing galaxies by core warping or completing the Artemis Path may reset the organ mature timer.
• If a non-Living Ship spawned at the marker instead, restart the game to fix it.
I see
Portals can take you to a specific system, as long as the portal address is known. Most people share the Portal address by making a screenshot of the object of interest with the glyph address shown in the lower left of the screenshot.
Good to know! Thank you
I think my game is being buggy.... Every space event i find is Star birth.... I just click hatch egg and it takes me to another living ship 😅😅
I would've loved to buy this ship. Didn't have the scratch to do so sadly. This was a random visit to a station so I wouldn't be reliably able to find it again. But it's nice to imagine.
The stats on it in case someone was curious.
Little guppy at a trading post in the same system as my Hesperius base
Is there any unique ship parts that don’t show up on the fabricator?
Iron Vulture parts don't spawn in the wild, if that's what you mean
So here's the thing: I'm trying to match the chrome trim on the Raven nose with the metallic paint in the ship builder, and I can't tell if it's a better match to white or grey.
I think grey is the better match, but I also know that colors change instantly as soon as you leave the character creator, it's the one thing that's consistent in all the games I've ever played.
How do you assemble ships? I started playing no man sky 2 weeks ago but went straight into expeditions. Do I have to complete the main story missions?
you have to buy for find ships, take them to the terminal in the back left then choose the part. you also need to buy a reactor
Thanks for the advice, I have some ships I think I can use. Where do you get a reactor?
starship technology merchant
each ship needs a cockpit and thruster part
haulers and fighters need a set of wings and an explorer needs two wing parts
and i'm not too sure about solar ships, i haven't tried making one
Cool! Thanks for the advice!
np!
do someone know if this is possible to get the glyphs of the system where i got a ship ?
How do y’all get such good ships
Only if you can find that system in your discovery page
Then you can add the planet as personal wonder
And read the glyphs for it from wonder catalogue
Guys does anyone know how to access coordinates
Because i want this ship but im om the planet bur i can only find it in a class
@dull stag go to the numbers shown, that's where it will be
They're planetary coordinates and you can see them in interior view in your ship
But I’m biased
That's the white and chrome one with blue sails, right?
Not sure if pictures show up in the same order on everybody's screen
Yea apologies I realized they probably don’t show up in the same order
Yes the white one
With the blue sails
Only one I've ruled out right now is red with white, that looks too much like Coca-Cola.
Y'ALL I FOUND A PURPLE SHIP
I'VE NEVER SEEN A NATURAL PURPLE SHIP (outside of sentinels before The Change) AND I'VE HAD THIS GAME FOR A YEAR
Found in ye ole Euclid
My ship is red and white
I mean the ones that you can encounter while exploring. (Not Expeditions)
How do I get parts for a new ship
Buy NPC ships and scrap em
Ok
You can also do the same with crashed ships. Cheaper than buying them from a NPC.
What if I found a crashed ship, can I scrap that or does it need to be in a space station, it can't fly btw
Do I have to make it fly
Yes
Ok
I like white and yellow but white more because tron
Why is that ship actually cool looking
Yeah I want that
Well the portal coordinates are there so y'all are welcome to get one
I'm just excited bc I've never seen a natural purple ship and its my favorite color
I'm poor
O
This just flew in, same system
You don’t have to fix it all the way, just do the launch thrusters and pulse drive. Then fly your working spaceship to a station, switch to the wreck, and scrap it.
Oh yeah I could do that
And if it doesn’t have any parts you want, selling it can get you a million or so units
At least 2 million I think
Actually never mind
I think I’ve seen one scrapped for 1.7
Ok
I don't even remember where it is lol
a fellow tron enjoyer 🤝
Yes
Alright
I found this abandoned starship. Am I able to get it or no?
Found it while doing a story mission so I’m not sure
That ship in particular, no interact with it by accepting the transmission to initiate the quest “under a rebal star”
If you want ships like that they are solar ships, you can head to outlaw systems if you want systems with higher model count of solars.
Thanks for the tip
Also ships are cheapier in outlaw systems. Buy any s class you see for 2× profit. (And slots).
You need to go to trading outpost in outlaw systems to hire pilots.
Also the best to get the solar ships over the stations.
Manage to get a dreadnaught pirate ship wanted to ask you guys what type of frigates you recommend.
You’ll need some of each to do the missions, or do you mean what ship design do people like?
They will level up as you send them on missions so even a cheap c-class can become a powerhouse, although they don’t iirc change types. So a support ship will tend to get fuel efficiency bonuses and maybe minor increases to the mission stats, but it won’t turn into a trade or combat frigate.
Try to get a few of each
I also was reading that if you warp in the dreadnaught and agro sentinels it will actually attack the sentinels. Is this true?
I was reading up on looking for stat allocations following the rule of 10-12
Other question would be are looting derelicts the fastest way to obtain the tech/cargo slots? I guess this also applies to freighter upgrades
Euclid
Honestly one of the best round exotics I’ve seen
I'll have to test this, never heard of it
I have the exact same except red instead of blue
Euclid
red/black batwing (Hyades)
I am actually looking for a new Sentinel Interceptor, either in Euclid or Eissentam
Something with a build as close as possible to a “classic” Sentinel Interceptor
Now I am feeling bad about my first one that I accidentally lost - it looked kind of like they but had no fixed wings
This one look good?
This happens with exotics
Even the same fin decoration ? Mine has that circles
I’m on a dissonent planet with nothing but those popping up. Outlaw dissonent system
All sentinel ships in a system will be the same model
What platform are you playing on?
Looking for an S class Vy'keen freighter is driving me insane. At least I basically got all of the language learned.
Either way, I think I'm going just going to focus on getting my ships figured out.
I just have my salvaged Interceptor right now
You can look it up on YouTube.
anyone with multitopol upgrade slot thing can give me a few
I did look it up on YouTube. I'm going to pirate and 3 star economy systems that have Vy'keen as the main faction
I'm probably just going to start hoarding resources.
That won't change the ships located in that system
Haven't seen any hauler love recently, so I thought I'd post a pic of my Blue Baller Hauler. Probably found it 3-4 years ago, so I have no coords, but maybe you can build one like this now.
I know, I was asking since I might help him on it.
Ok just checking
It was for an expedition
Limited time
But I believe I’ve heard @supple quartz could get you one
Happy to but I believe my favourite car has pulled through.
Nice lookin black and (teal?) sentinel. dragonfly U wings, bottom pincers, teeth. Calypso galaxy.
black yellow red x wing wide face sentinel, calypso galaxy.
Mine does the same
This is the perfect sentinal ship only thing that could be better is maybe longer wings but im not sure about that even
looks like my interceptor
can you dm me the front too?
Uhh sorry I already scrapped it
I believe it had the small head
Ngl at first the landing pad matched the ship and I thought you found a circular ship and thought dang bro found a millennium falcon
eh np
i got mine c class and waste too many resources upgrade mine into S
Very sleek, I like it
lol
Pls tell me as we hunt down ships we can expand the number of ships we can have???
12 slots for ships
@warped patio how do yall handle the 12th ship slot? I mean if I find a ship and I have 12 ships it's trade and loose? Do you just keep the slot empty or a throw away ship?
Sry bit of a newb
I keep 4 ships, other slots for scraping. Sometimes i have 3 exotics - so i need free slots to get them. Later i do comparison and scrap except best one. I like to have free slots.
Gotcha ... I guess I need to figure ships out sooner 😛
OK another question - what's the benefits of a S class Freighter over a B Class?
I want a starborn runner so bad but I missed the expedition
Didn't realize it was a expedition ship
I could give you one
i got starborn runner and starborn Phoenix
I didn't even know there was a starborn phoenix
I mean either or would for for me want to exchange friend codes?
yea sure just give me a bit I'm at work rn I'm almost off tho
Okay I'm fixing to head to lunch so that works!
oh ok here's my friend code tho
ball
I'm on my way back if you want to get on with me?
If you can't we can wait till later!
Sentinel Ships - I tried to salvage two of them but not able to get parts, can you only get parts from combat?
Sentinel ships can't be fabricated so unable to be scrapped for parts
So how are players able to get a blue one like above? rng?
You can locate them via harmonic camps for example, they're crashed ships.
It is rng in regards to the colour, parts, supercharged slots and class
Thanks 🙂 I've found 2 so far via channel cords and then one from following a module from killing a big ship
In you want something specific, I recommend using nmsge
what is that?
A message board of sorts where people report ships locations etc
Useful for hunting specific exotics, sentinels and/or parts
https://nmsge.com/
!nmscelink
Thanks ... Joined that and checking out the nmsge
Next Question - might be overthinking this - for salvaging ships, does it have to be the one I currently have equipped or is there a way to select the one you want to salvage without changing ships? Sorry, its been a little over 5 years since I last played
It'll salvage the one you're currently occupying
thanks
S class has better warp range
Thanks ... wish it were more than just range. Imagine if S class equated to a couple more ships but I'm happy with my B Class til I can find better
!starbirth
Uh
What’s the living ship quests again
!livingship
!livingships
!starbirth quest
!starbirthquest
!star birth quest
Bruh
!starbirth-quest
!faq-starbirth and !faq-livingship but use them in #bot-spam bc both are a block of text
Ight
nice red s class at euclid at this location +77.80 +135.88. Glyphs in first image
Euclid Galaxy . Yellow
Hey Red just looking to update some information regarding this pin, as some of it outdated as of now, happy to provide results from testing if required to update.
The method pinned is still working tho recent testing across multiple platforms and players, does confirm ships traded regardless of type (excluding Fabricated) will not despawn on exchange/swap and will not change seed, the note at the beginning of the pin is invalid.
The old note at the bottom would then still be valid as a reroll on exchange will still occur, this is excluding LS and Exotics in regard to class.
Suggest adding a new note stating fabricated ships are unable to be traded as they will just revert to a standard ship of the same type, this includes the iron vulture as that is fabricated even after claimed from the QS vendor.
Please let me know if you need anything further.
is possible to "trade" Unique ships like Starborn Runner, etc. ??
Yes, if you have a look just above your message, it’s replying to the method.
When you trade a ship tho only the physical model will trade, class (unless exotic and LS) will reroll along with tech which doesn’t transfer.
would like to get the gold color runner on Permadeath if anyone could help with trade that one ??
For trades worth asking in #nms-lfg-or-trades for the starborn phoenix.
Will do. Thank you !
Thoughts on this crafted ship? I tried to make an Explorer with that looks like it has a shield/melee weapons.
Probably will replace the dragonfly wings with a solar wing
Woah these wings are sick
What’s that apart called
*part
when you make a solar ship from parts do you get to choose the sail color or is it whatever it was when you scrapped it
Yes you can customize the sail color
We still doing this?
anyone got a spare starwolf hull for the solarsailer?
@edgy dock Also mentioned here in server suggestions https://discordapp.com/channels/146101654981312513/234133601417953280/1322536738127614066, Gleam even hearted.
my bad I forgot damn sorry
Am I cooked
I liked the initiative but it needed more testing, which I am not going coordinate.
Thank you for the update, Chippy.
Do you or @zenith bolt happen to know as if when this changed? Specifically which update? Cc @modest hemlock
5.29 possibly
No worries you available now?
my bad ill be available at 2:28 or something like that if that's ok
Yep just send a dm!
Lock in
Dragonfly wings
Or matrix depending on who you ask
How are sentinal ship colors determined because I feel like theses more variation
Like there’s not just one blue
But I could be wrong
how did you get those
Star birth quest line
Purchase a void egg from the quicksilver merchant in the Anomaly for 3200 quick silver
is it just random the one you get
Uhhhhhh I’m not sure
I think
That
The egg will lead you to one
But
You can go to where someone else found one and get that one because it will then be the closest
Also the quest takes like four days so be warned
Mostly because the items have to wait for a while
If I find a crashed ship is it worth it to fix it as much as I can before I scrap it even if it takes me a bit
No
Just repair launch thrusters and pulse engine
Ye
Thanks for the info
!faq-starbirth
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• To unlock Living Ships (!faq-livingship), the player needs to complete the full Starbirth quest once per save. Disable multiplayer when progressing the quest to avoid bugs.
• It's strongly recommended that the player has learned at least the first 12 portal glyphs (!faq-portalglyphs) in order to complete the quest.
• To start the quest, obtain and store 1 Void Egg (3200 QS at the Quicksilver Companion shop) in your suit inventory and then pulse in space until hailed by the Alien fallen host.
• Progressing the quest, keep the related items in your exosuit to avoid duplication and issues with progression.
• Quest has 4 real-time organ maturing phases, and another 2 final stages. Time skipping is highly discouraged, since it causes bugs anywhere in the save file that uses real time counters.
• If the current Starbirth mission objective mentions that "Unconventional travel may be required" to progress to the next stage, and the egg item card screams EUCLID 3 times find a portal in Euclid, and dial this address.
Also see Hunting for different Living Ship designs when completing Starbirth quest »

• To get additional Living Ships, the player will need a Void egg and 10k nanites per ship, but will not need to run the entire quest again. How To target specific crashed ship site coordinates found online »

Known Bugs:
• While waiting for the next organ to mature, changing galaxies by core warping or completing the Artemis Path may reset the organ mature timer.
• If a non-Living Ship spawned at the marker instead, restart the game to fix it.
Anyone who likes green want to trade living ship lol
Front is white
Back is like green
Or at least tell me how to find another living ship after doing the quest
Ill trade if its possible
I dont have a picture but mine is white and tan
If you could get a picture that’d be great I could get on later today I just need to eat and refresh myself on how to trade
I dont know if it works with living ships but the way it works with expedition ships is pinned above, involves restore points, and selling to an npc. and we dont actually trade we can both end up with a copy of each to keep or whatever
Bk got it, 5.29 I noticed desync no longer occurred when a ship was exchanged with another player present, from then till now I have been testing as much as I can and with the help of other players like @zenith bolt to confirm their end.
A side note, this same update changed reskinning I think it would be in relation to the first note “Fixed an issue which caused ship inventories to become merged.” Tho I am still testing various methods to reskin but so far it seems to no longer work, you may get another ping from me about that one haha.
Lmk if I understood correctly:
Hello games made it so that (when trading ships)
- class & tech are preserved
- design stays the same
?
Class and tech aren’t preserved, this rerolls (living ships and exotics won’t reroll class as they are set as S) Model will remain the same now.
It’s not really a choice set by the devs, just how the game stores that data. Ship trading really is just trading the physical model.
Ready to trade when you are
@tranquil robin
wish i could, still in the middle growing the heart for the mission
Well if I resave from the trade I’ll still have the ship so tell me when you finish and I can give you a copy
oh nice. ty
Np
How to Trade a Starship
-# As of Update 5.29 (<t:1733917364:D>), it's been confirmed that this is a viable option again for all ships, except fabricated ships.
Traded ships have mods and number of slots reset to default settings, and any cargo is lost. Traded ships also get class and stats re-rolled -- except Exotics and Living Ships, which only get stats re-rolled as those are always (S) class.
- ❗IMPORTANT: Save to create a Restore Point prior to the trade.
- Be in the same multiplayer group with your friend.
- Go to a Space Station, Trading Outpost, or Planetary Archive -- anywhere that has NPC ship landing bays.
- Make your friend stand in front of your ship, the one you're trading, so they can quickly interact with the NPC as soon as it teleports to your ship.
- Exchange your ship with an NPC.
- Immediately ask your friend to interact with the NPC to exchange or claim the traded ship for free.
- Disable multiplayer in settings and Leave Group.
- Make your friend Save to create a Restore Point.
- Reload your individual Restore Points:
- Your Restore Point should be before the trade so that you can retain your ship.
- Friend's Restore Point should be after the trade & disabling multiplayer so that they can retain their ship.
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Report to Moderators, making sure to add details to the report. Thank you 
Found them lol same way you get all living ships
Anyone trading some living ships by chance ?
will even trade my fave egg
All white legit egg ship
Wowza
I would but I wanna find my myself first
But I can still give you one
White in front line green back
Not today tho
Dang if it was gold I would be down but not a huge fan of green
anyone got a black and red living ship
Hello everyone, I’m looking for some help, I would like to know if anyone could help me to get the Starborn Phoenix ship, sadly I was busy during the holidays and I couldn’t get it.
Hi, I have a living ship, it’s kind of pinkish if you are interested I can give you
Ask chippy or lambo
