nms-modding

[left sentinel]

yeah it really sucks they still havent gotten around to it even though Sean has retweeted people using the minotaur to fight, and even included in the trailer

[vale iron]

That and shield upgrades, though that's not as easy to test

[left sentinel]

well in my extremely limited testing I havent gotten the C class shield upgrade to give me shielding upgrade, only core health

probably luck

[vale iron]

I'll check it

[sharp musk]

even with teh fire rate fixed, I feel like the exocraft canon should always be higher damage than a handheld weapon. Like sentinel drones we should be able to handle on foot, quads should be tough but beatable, and the walkers should be incredibly hard to beat without an exocraft.

[vale iron]

Yeah, it's a luck thing. It has minimum of 1 stat, maximum of 2

[sharp musk]

it just doesn't seem balanced in the late game.

just sneeze at a walker with a maxed out S class multitool and they fall over

meanwhile, the mech feels like all it does is tickle them

[vale iron]

I had to use a building for shelter, but I was able to take one out with an unmodded starter MT

[left sentinel]

eh that's a topic for another channel anyway

[sharp musk]

unless someone makes a mod to re-balance damage numbers

[vale iron]

That would be tech table, I believe

[left sentinel]

true and I'd like that and also a fix for the cannon dps getting worse with upgrades

[vale iron]

Hmm, give me a few minutes

How much increase in damage are we talking?

[sharp musk]

less about a damage increase and more about balancing it so that the mech is worth using when fighting sentinels

[left sentinel]

not damage but it actually lowering the fire rate instead of increasing

but I think that's a core issue that can't be fixed with mods I think?

[vale iron]

I fixed it in a mod just about 30 minutes ago. Scroll up. Or get GProc

[left sentinel]

oh lol my bad

[sharp musk]

so the canon mod works with the regular exocraft, but not the mech. the mech fire rate is still slow @vale iron

[vale iron]

No worries 🙂

[left sentinel]

thought you were still debugging that mod

[vale iron]

Does mech get its own cannon upgrade modules?

[sharp musk]

the 50% increase to top speed and boost feels nice

[sharp musk]

yes, i believe so

[vale iron]

Hmm, I'll have to find that and add it to the mix

[left sentinel]

yeah different upgrade

[vale iron]

Yeah, I can see where they have it backwards in this as well

UP_MCGUN2 to 4, if you ever need it

Give me a few minutes to add that to the script and to my GProc script

[sharp musk]

I'm sure it's been reported to their zendesk as a bug, right? I'm sure a modder could give them really good detailed feedback on the numbers

[left sentinel]

yay thank you

yeah I've also reported it too

[sharp musk]

now if only the first person exocraft camera weren't utter garbage. I wanna drive in first person for the immersion, but it feels like it was an afterthought from when they added VR support

[vale iron]

Try that on a mech

If it works I'll add it to GProc

[sharp musk]

in VR the camera is controlled by the head so I don't think VR has the same problem of sluggish camera movement in first person exocraft

no bueno

still slower than the exocraft

[vale iron]

That looks faster than normal fire rate without upgrades though, doesn't it?

It is setup to fire at a different rate, though the way they have it should be faster than exocraft, not slower (though I think they intended slower)

[left sentinel]

its odd because the upgrades directly have a fire rate increase mentioned

so like, it should do exactly what it says but does the opposite

[vale iron]

Yes, but they are going in the wrong direction, above 1 instead of below 1

They are making it 110% of the time between shots, instead of 90%

Hold on and I'll setup a test on my minotaur

[sharp musk]

well the exocrafts do have more upgrades available to them.

the mech has no proc gen canon upgrades, only the upgrade you get on the anomaly

[vale iron]

Oh yeah, that looks right at least

I could adjust the values to make up for the minotaur lacking the other upgrades

[left sentinel]

Eh what I'm pretty sure mech has proc gen canon upgrades

[sharp musk]

oh, yeah, you're right

still, seems weird that they wouldn't have a comparable fire rate

[vale iron]

The Minotaur does more damage, about 50% more, but is supposed to have a lower fire rate. I think they accidentally made it a higher fire rate

[sharp musk]

also, since when could exocraft lasers mine the deposits? I thought only the terrain manipulator on the multitool and the mech could mine those?

[sharp musk]

you mean they mentioned the higher rate of fire by mistake?

[vale iron]

I mean compared to the other exocraft, it's supposed to have a lower fire rate and higher damage, but the way they have it setup is higher fire rate and higher damage, compared to other exocraft

The proc upgrades are definitely backwards

[sharp musk]

i thought it had a lower rate of fire? the thing we've been trying to fix this whole time. I'm confused what you're saying?

[vale iron]

The upgrades lower the rate of fire, instead of doing what upgrades should do, improving the cannon. The mod reverses that. In addition, the mech is setup with its base stats to do more damage and faster fire rate than other exocraft at their base damage, but I think they meant that to be a lower fire rate.

[left sentinel]

no they used to be able to mine deposits since the day they were added, just that they're not efficient at it

[sharp musk]

so because they got the base stats backwards, the mods are doing the opposite of what they're supposed to do?

[vale iron]

Yes

[sharp musk]

https://tenor.com/view/math-calculate-confusing-figure-out-gif-6237717

i totally get it now

thanks for clarifying

[vale iron]

No problem

Setting up to test the Minotaur now

Ok yeah, the minotaur upgrades slow down the fire rate. The default fire rate of the minotaur is super fast, though, compared to other exocraft

And mod definitely reverses that:

[sharp musk]

[vale iron]

So the mod I uploaded 30 minutes ago should fix both exocraft and minotaur

Crap, I have to add this to GProc and recompile GEpic now

[sharp musk]

ok. but wouldn't that upload not have the changes you just made?

[vale iron]

I didn't make any changes in the past 30 minutes, just chatted and tested 🙂

I can compile it one more time to be sure though

[sharp musk]

oh. well the mod you uploaded 30 minutes ago wasn't working on the minotaur. I thought you were fixing that this whole time

[vale iron]

That's the file I just tested, so it should work

I just filed another report with !hg, just in case it matters

[lime mesa]

Dang it doesnt work

[vale iron]

Mods aren't fans of gifs or memes 🙂

[lime mesa]

:<

Its the red eyes saturated gif

I dunno how to word it

[vale iron]

I clicked on it, no worries

[odd crag]

is there a mod that will unlock the previous expedition ships? i got one, and it seems like i can buy the other expedition rewards, but not get the ships

[hearty wasp]

Seasonal Unlock works if Consumerism don't

shouldn't be reason it won't tho

[odd crag]

neither appear to be working

[hearty wasp]

then you did something wrong along the way

[odd crag]

like, it unlocks the ability to buy everything from the quicksilver shop, but you still can't get the golden ship or the normandy

those are still locked behind rewards

i can assure you i didn't do anything wrong

[hearty wasp]

that makes no sense since Comsumerism specifically adds the shit into the quick silver ship

and Seasonal Unlocker gives you the reward directly via trigger action

[odd crag]

i dunno, it added the other stuff, just not the ships

[hearty wasp]

bypassing any need to unlock

[odd crag]

i am using the xbox version

dunno if that matters

[hearty wasp]

prolly

[odd crag]

i'm using this mod https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1751?tab=description

[tidal smelt]

Does anyone know the creature id for the sentinel quadrupede?

[vale iron]

^QUAD I believe

[tidal smelt]

Thanks

[tidal smelt]

Do I need to change the descriptors too to have it as pet or just the creature id?

[vale iron]

If you're editing the save file, I think just the name will do. Getting into the descriptor files is more complicated

[mossy perch]

Hi Gumsk, a question if you dont mind answering

[tidal smelt]

I made it! Thanks for the help

[hearty wasp]

quad don't have descriptor parts is why it'd work

[tidal smelt]

Ok I have a problem now, If I summon a sentinel pet in the anomaly everyone will just freeze

like I'm being disconnected or something like that

[hearty wasp]

because you are

[tidal smelt]

is it normal, I mean, is there a fix for it?

[hearty wasp]

mjjstral has a mod that gives you a specifically modified version of a quad

[tidal smelt]

I'll check it out then

[hearty wasp]

of course no one else will see it

[tidal smelt]

Thanks

[hearty wasp]

because it's modified to not send the creature data

[jade elm]

hi, someone know which mod can i use to build in my freighter ?

[tidal smelt]

What do you mean? You can already do that

[left sentinel]

yep its still not fixed

[left sentinel]

Eucli-EA or Exosolar's Beyond Base Building will remove the limits and let you build with all base parts in your freighter

[hearty wasp]

eucli-ea doesn't change vanilla parts all that much

Gbase or BBB are the way to go

[left sentinel]

but I thought it allows you to use other build parts in the freighter which are normally not allowed?

swear I remember being able to do it with your mod

guess I had both without realising

[hearty wasp]

it maybe just the effect of the old graphics setting

which don't work anymore which is sad

[odd crag]

does anyone know how to use a save editor on the game pass version?

or am i just SOL

I don't want to use that one tool to get all the expedition rewards instantly, i just want enough quicksilver to buy the normandy

[left sentinel]

check the pins

[jade elm]

thanks 😉

[vale iron]

Google NomNom save editor

[odd crag]

googling "nom save editor" gives me rimworld links

[vale iron]

Did you try NomNom?

I'll just get the link

https://github.com/cengelha/NomNom

[odd crag]

oh thanks

dunno how i was supposed to know it was nomnom

[hearty wasp]

both NomNom and NMSSE are on Nexus also

[tidal smelt]

is there a mod which removes the lock on with the infra knife accellerator?

[fluid terrace]

Anyone know if there's a mod which manually spawns in sentinels?

[hearty wasp]

meta mods lets you get wanted level on demand

that's it

[scarlet sphinx]

Does anyone have a golden vector?

[hearty wasp]

you can get one with Consumerism

or Seasonal Unlocker

[scarlet sphinx]

Was hoping to find someone I could just meet at a station for my main save

[hearty wasp]

maybe try #nms-questions then

it's not a modding required thing

more activity there too

[vocal zodiac]

@hushed bronze hey you probably already know but your base building mod crashes nms experimental branch on start, just a heads up that they probably fuxed with it between versions

[scarlet sphinx]

Apologies, I only asked here because it’s a higher chance a modded has one.

[vocal zodiac]

also i probably say it every time but i appreciate your work on that :] really lets me get funky, it's a shame you can't use y/z rotations but fingers crossed they fix that

[hearty wasp]

exp got new default saves

also exo don't maintain it anymore iirc

[vocal zodiac]

i'm not sure what you mean by that

[hearty wasp]

prolly struct change that fucked it is what I'm saying

tho BBB may not use default saves

can be another file

[hardy sequoia]

any good recommendations for a visual mod that'd make the game a bit less vibrant?

less eyepoppingly bright, make space look more like space, y'know?

[hearty wasp]

reshade

[hardy sequoia]

thank

[spice escarp]

looking for info about save editor ti change ship appearance. Basically my son likes the appearance of the first fighter ship we get in the game (I sold it and he wasnt happy). So I am looking for a way to change the appearance of the ship to look like the original

[wicked mango]

you need the ship seed for that

and then inject the seed to one of your existing ship

0xA547AB958C97E439

i got that seed from my permadeath save though, not sure if its interchangeable between different save mode or not, anyone can confirm ?

[rough niche]

Any tips on modding? I do want to play multiplayer, but I want to screw with some mods too.

[lime mesa]

mods are all clientside

i can’t think of any mod that’ll make multiplayer unavailable

[hearty wasp]

[hardy aurora]

@steel crypt Message auto-deleted

[rough niche]

You right you right. I always forget about pins in discord lmao

[spice escarp]

thanks for your reply. Can you tell me what ship seed is, and where I can find it?

[mossy perch]

https://www.nmseeds.club/

[spice escarp]

thanks. How do I input this into my save?

[mossy perch]

some of or most of them might be inaccurate

on the left box

on seed

just copy-paste, but dont press generate afterwards

[spice escarp]

is this a program?

or website or?

[mossy perch]

yes a program

[spice escarp]

sorry I havent used this at all

[mossy perch]

NMS save editor

[mossy perch]

nein problems

https://github.com/goatfungus/NMSSaveEditor

[spice escarp]

ok heres something I would like to accomplish. I have a save on file that has the ship I want. Is it possible to import it to my new save?

[mossy perch]

please follow the requirements and the installation instruction as well

[spice escarp]

the saves are on different files (as in different backups of the save file).

[mossy perch]

you dont need to import your whole save to another

you just want the ship, right?

[spice escarp]

yes

[mossy perch]

so you said your kid wants this starter ship

just copy the seed from your save (that has the ship) and then paste to the destiny save

[spice escarp]

that's the one !

[scarlet sphinx]

I mod for 2 other games so I’m curious, I know all games code colors in the files and these ships seem to have certain colors used for certain ships. So say ship A has colors 1-5 as it’s default colors available and 1 and 3 as it’s spawned color, is there a way to change it to another one of its normally spawning colors?

[spice escarp]

im looking into the same thing (kind of).. i want to customize the colors on my ship.. I found this:

https://stepmodifications.org/wiki/NoMansSky:Reference_Guides/TEXTURES/Ship_Coloring

but I am not sure which file the author is talking about when trying to colorize ships as this wiki explains changing colors for other things like the character as well.

[keen tusk]

Can someone help me out? Im trying to download an earlier version of NMS and the download despot doesn’t want to work

[tiny silo]

any mods out there to make Exosuit Inventory Tech slots more then just 12 that is up to date i had one be for iforgot wat it was called

[wicked mango]

from what i know the color is tied to the seed too, but there is also recoloring for ship like exocraft, but the color would only be visible in single player

[spice escarp]

ya im only interested in what I see, not what others see

[wicked mango]

perhaps try this, not sure if its still working or not
https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyMods/comments/dkob5c/manual_ship_and_multitool_color_customization/

[spice escarp]

this is great thank you

[wicked mango]

no problem, don't forget to backup save first

[lime mesa]

I wish I had a pc

😔soon

[marsh eagle]

We have a much better site nowadays for seeds: https://nomansseeds.com

[mossy perch]

ah thank you for letting us know

[blazing lodge]

heya. anyone tried the openvrfsr mod from github? I have (despite a ryzen 5 3600 and a gtx 1080) issues to keep the game at 80fps in VR (Rift S), and was hoping this mod would help. I tried it in another VR game and there it barely did anything, despite folks saying it should help out a fair bit.

[blazing lodge]

okay, disregard. game looked like royal sh afterwards. Man I wish I had a rtx graphics card, so i could use DLSS...

[blazing lodge]

okay, I decided to not play in VR untill i can run it at constant 809fps with at least standard settings... now to modding propper, I assume a vanilla safegame will not work anymore in this game after modding the game to hell and back?

[marsh eagle]

No influene on your save. You can always go back to modless state

[blazing lodge]

Nice thanks. But other question, is there any way for me to easiely check for mod conflicts and ressolve them without nessesariely having to delete one of the conflicting ones? as fool proof as possible ideally 😅

[tidal smelt]

amumss gets stuck when checking conflicts, any tips on fixing it?

[hearty wasp]

time

[alpine pine]

Someone make a mod that can put googly eyes on any creature.

(that's a joke)

[hearty wasp]

whatabout

Sean faces

[mossy perch]

AMUMSS

[blazing lodge]

well, i have that now, but now after scanning for conflicts and knowing which mods are in conflict with eachother, i got no idea what to do to fix the conflict, except delete one of those mods per conflict...

[mossy perch]

besides deleting, you can combine them

but the conflicting mods must have the lua file

[hearty wasp]

it'll work if only one of it is a pak too

assuming it's up to date

[blazing lodge]

okay so far the mods that i have installed now and are cponflicting all have lua files. good... now i gotta figure out how to go about combining them. i guess that's what it means with " See file 'Creating a Patch for an existing MOD PAK.txt' for further help"?

[hearty wasp]

if all of em have lua

you just put all of em in ModScript

and run BUILDMOD

[blazing lodge]

hm okay simpler than i thought... and i only need to put the .lua files in there, correct?

[hearty wasp]

you put the pak in there when they don't have a lua

[mossy perch]

so, in which folder should we put the lua?

[vocal zodiac]

i need some advice on editing the globals

is there any fanmade documentation on what everything does? or are we all in the dark

[tidal smelt]

I mean, I let it go for a solid 10 minutes but it was still stuck

[hearty wasp]

that can definitely happen

but sometimes pressing enter may help because you may've just clicked on it and selected it and it's stuck waiting for input before output

[tawdry veldt]

the latest update of save editor doesn't work for me. it just crashes when i select my save folder then i can't open any java program until i restart computer or reinstall java runtime

[zealous flicker]

Imagine if there was a mod where we could edit planets. Edit everything about them their skies the temperature, the weather, whether or not there are storms even the creatures and resources to an extent

Yeah but mainly I’ve always wanted to edit the color of the sky. I think we could even squeeze in some RGB custom inputs.

[hushed bronze]

We can but not individually

[forest tide]

Is there a way(nodded or otherwise) to transfer ships between saves?

I really like the expedition ship, but don't want to, ya know, need to make an entire new save lol

Now that I've beaten the expedition I want to transfer it

[desert quest]

anyone know what UI or mod this is? looks so clean https://gyazo.com/03d27bbf7114359d7136c963ae8d91cb

[blazing lodge]

Does anyone here use the No Pulse Lines mod and is able to confirm if it works for them or not? because i am using it and it works neither alone with no conflicts or if i add in the athmospheric hover mod and combine them to solve the conflict between the two.

[steel crypt]

Link to mod?
What folder are you putting it in?

[blazing lodge]

I found another one that works, but as someone else migt want to use it I'll still provide the link so folks can test it.... I put it into the subfolder "Mods" in pcbanks. https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1688

[mossy perch]

yes, there is a way

[forest tide]

This is great to know, how do I do it? lol

[mossy perch]

by using NMS Save Editor

https://github.com/goatfungus/NMSSaveEditor

pls pay attention to the requirements and the installation

after you have installed java runtime environment 8, extract the NMSSE, and run the jar file

[forest tide]

Appreciated!

[mossy perch]

then locate your save file

the save file is on numbers

then choose the expe file, i dont have 1 on so it only shows perma here

then find your expe ship, copy the seed

then paste the seed to the destiny save (non-exp save), but for god's sake dont click generate seed, just paste it

last, after all of that, save changes and if it shows something like, this save externally edited, just click ok/yes. and then you good

[forest tide]

THanks for being so thorough 🙂

Left no room for me to do something dumb and break my save lol

[mossy perch]

wut?

i mean you can back up your save first before do anything

[stone jacinth]

Is their such thing as a mod which changes the graphics and allows you to still play mp?

[mossy perch]

[spice escarp]

so here's what happened. I rescued some freighter (early game), from these pirates. I got a message to visit the freighter, but something else came up and i thought I could go back. It turns out this was the first freighter encounter where I think the player gets a free ship... Now I cant remember where I was and don't know how to trigger this event again. Can anyone chime in on this ?

[mossy perch]

i think you dont need to come back to that system, you can just claim another freighter in another system for free as long as you havent not claimed the first free offerement

but I could go wrong

[spice escarp]

how do I claim it though? I borded a freighter and the Admiral was there, but there was only an offer to purchase the ship

[mossy perch]

oh you have to decline or reject the first free offerement

meaning you gotta back to that sytem

if you are on early game I think it is not that hard to track back the system via discoveries menu

[spice escarp]

oh man are you sure? I have been a lot of places.

[mossy perch]

how many times have you warped?

or maybe just buy a random one and change it to S-class and capital with NMSSE

[spice escarp]

i really don't want to have to cheat, it kind of defeats the purpose of playing the game. I don't know how many times I warped. How can i look this up ?

[mossy perch]

on the milestones tab

[spice escarp]

I don't see it

and i cant screenshot in here

https://i.ibb.co/VVnjMHB/Capture.jpg

[mossy perch]

you dont see it on here?

[spice escarp]

oh wait there it is

14 times

[mossy perch]

well that is a lot

pardon i cant think the better way to solve your question

maybe the others can, you can try to ask it on #nms-questions

[spice escarp]

oh sorry I thought i was in help!

[tawdry veldt]

Goatfungus is so impressive wow

He fixed an issue with save editor like immediately after I mentioned it

Gotta be one of those guys at work who writes java multithreads while doing 3 other things

[mossy perch]

[north prairie]

I'm pretty new to NMS and have been using the NomNom save editor - is the Goatfungus save editor worth switching to?

[mossy perch]

i mean both are fire

so yeah, it is worth to try

[left sentinel]

only if you can afford to, goatfungus doesn't work with gamepass iirc

[north prairie]

Ah, cool - Steam edition here

[rapid lark]

There a mod that makes the Minotaur turn faster.

[vale iron]

GMech

[rapid lark]

@vale iron thx

[fallow meadow]

@maiden cape Feel free to ask for Save Editor help here to get your base moved.

[maiden cape]

ty

[honest herald]

If you've only warped to 14 systems, I say get some hyperdrive fuel and backtrack. The free freighter probably appeared on one of your first six systems. Iirc mine showed up on like the 2nd or 3rd warp... maybe even the first, tbh, but whenever it happened, it was very early in the game for me.

[stone jacinth]

is there a way to find out if a mod has installed properly?

[forest tide]

I know lol, I was just saying I appreciated you giving me idiot proof instructions

[stone jacinth]

C:\Users(USER)\AppData\Local\Packages\HelloGames.NoMansSky_bs190hzg1sesy\LocalCache\Local\Microsoft\WritablePackageRoot\GAMEDATA\MODS i've put the Pak files in here, downloaded the ANSMEMPC and ran that but the mods dont seem to be working

[honest herald]

Damn @marsh eagle, you're right about those colors getting used for ships. Been playing with my Chaos Colours mod today and noticed all the ships look different. Haha, so weird they would use that palette for ship colors.

[vale iron]

Are you getting the red text warning on load?

[stone jacinth]

@vale iron im not getting anything. i can load into the game fine but nothing has changed from what i can see

[vale iron]

Oh you need to put the mods in gamedata/PCBANKS/mods

[stone jacinth]

ohhhh

[tepid sierra]

It works with Gamepass now

[vale iron]

That's news to me. I'll have to check on that

Oh you're right, just saw that in the notes

[stone jacinth]

any mod suggestions from people? for graphics or adding stuff to the game, not stack multipliers and stuff

[hearty wasp]

anything you like

sorting by last updated on Nexus

[vocal zodiac]

i need a hand working with mods

when i see "Gc___.xml", where are those files

i'm currently working with the cost table and am trying to edit the costs for settlement building

[vale iron]

Those are in the exe, not files available for edit

[vocal zodiac]

fuk

so... aight er
how would i view them

and are some costs just hard-coded into the executable?

i mean i get what i' doin here, it's all object-oriented sorta stuff that works via templates, but... c'est difficile!

[vocal zodiac]

oh shit

https://stepmodifications.org/wiki/NoMansSky:Landing_Page

has anyone else seen this?

idk if this is in the guides or anything but i just found it

it isnt comprehensive at all but its got a good ferw resources

[vale iron]

That's the unofficial new modding wiki page

Feel free to expand upon it when you can

[vocal zodiac]

oh, neat

[honest herald]

@vocal zodiac Why are you trying to read or edit an XML to change settlement building costs?

I don't understand that connection...

[vocal zodiac]

do you have a different method in mind?

[honest herald]

Well, in C# using Mod Builder, you can just change the fields in GCSETTLEMENTGLOBALS.MBIN -> GcSettlementGlobals.SettlementBuildingCosts.

I assume in LUA it's similar... as far as I know, you just change the values of a few fields in the MBIN

I don't know when an XML would come up for this particular mod.

[vocal zodiac]

mod builder? that sounds a lot easier than editing xmls 😳

ive been using modding station and just tweaking values

[honest herald]

I don't know anything about Modding Station but I just made a video on how to install, setup, and use Mod Builder

[vocal zodiac]

yeah modding station is exclusively xmls

[honest herald]

My C# to change building costs looks like this (I have a live mod on Nexus that does this btw):

            var buildingStages = Enum.GetNames(typeof(SettlementConstructionLevelEnum)).Length;
            
            var nanotubes = settlements.SettlementBuildingCosts[(int) BuildingClassEnum.Settlement_Bar].StageCosts[(int) SettlementConstructionLevelEnum.Decoration];
            
            nanotubes.AmountMin = 2;
            nanotubes.AmountMax = 2;
            
            foreach (var costData in settlements.SettlementBuildingCosts)    
            {
                for (var index = 0; index < buildingStages; index++) 
                {
                    var stage = costData.StageCosts[index];
                    
                    if ((stage.Products.IsNullOrEmpty() && stage.Substances.IsNullOrEmpty()) != true)
                    {
                        costData.StageCosts[index] = nanotubes.Clone();
                    }
                }
            }

[vocal zodiac]

had no idea mod builder was a thing lol

ooh...! i'm familiar with C# so this is very much my bunk spot, i'll check this out

[honest herald]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eImXhhBRa-4

That'll show you how to set it up for MBIN 3.68 (the latest available game file recompiler)

[vocal zodiac]

is it just boot-and-go or do i need other files?

oh i see in the vid

libmbin

[honest herald]

Video will make a whole lot of stuff clearer

Let me know if you get stuck on a step

[vocal zodiac]

will the soft run if i'm ingame?

cuz the thing threw a thread type in STA error

i forget if ive already installed net5 but ill double check

[honest herald]

Can I see your cmkNMSReleases.txt file?

Yes, NMS Mod Builder can work while you're in game

[honest herald]

But obviously you have to reboot to reload mods.

Oh, you seem to have loaded 2.1.1 instead

My link in the video should take you to 2.1.2, let me double-check that.

Also, you did not update the first line as needed

Yeah, video link is right: https://github.com/cmkushnir/NMSModBuilder/releases/tag/v.2.1.2

See here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eImXhhBRa-4&t=168s

(timestamped video link)

The video will show all of this and more, so I recommend watching carefully.

[vocal zodiac]

alright, got past that initial hurdle

[honest herald]

Cool, so files unpacked?

[vocal zodiac]

just waiting for it to unpack everything

hdd so : P

[honest herald]

This script does several things in GcSettlementGlobals, one of which is modify building costs... you should be able to find the code pretty easily if you're familiar with C#.

[honest herald]

Still waiting? It's usually pretty quick for me... Sounds like an issue if it's stuck

Can I see screenshot of Mod Builder?

[vocal zodiac]

nah it's just my pc being slow, it's all loaded now

[honest herald]

Cool cool

[vocal zodiac]

how do i go about packaging mods? like compiling them i mean

[honest herald]

Video shows that too

[vocal zodiac]

...im sure you cover it in the video but im very bad at keeping on certain things

[honest herald]

It can explain better than I can haha

[vocal zodiac]

yea

[honest herald]

because it'll show exactly what to click and when

but TLDR, you save script, compile script, execute script, build & save pak (same step).

[vocal zodiac]

cool and fun :]

[honest herald]

There are buttons and tabs for all of that of course

[vocal zodiac]

thank god i dont have to go through the stupid rigamarole of editing commentless xmls

and i can do this shit programatically now

[honest herald]

Yeah I would never make the mods I've made manually lmao

FYI, Mod Builder 2.1.2 has a couple compile errors when you DL it. The video also shows you how to fix them and what caused them

If you want some extra examples (in addition to NMS Mod Builder's examples), find Blooming Biomes or Best Buds on the NMS Nexus and install some of my paks. You can use Mod Builder to see the scripts that are packed inside of the pak files you use to mod your game. (Video also demos this.)

[west bridge]

Question. how can u even mod?

[honest herald]

This is how I do it.

There are other ways.

[honest herald]

@west bridge

[west bridge]

Okay ill see lol,

[honest herald]

The link I deleted was timestamped part-way through the video

Gotta start at beginning of course

[west bridge]

ok

[junior surge]

oh wait nvm

[junior surge]

wait no

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/407?tab=posts

anyone know of a mod similar to this one?

[hearty wasp]

p sure burryaga and ignacio (codenameawesome) both have biome mods

and jason too, of course

just sort by last updated on Nexus and you'll find plenty, frankly

[steel crypt]

I have a collection of mods that change color (DUD’S SKY - COLOR), another collection that that is QOL stuff (DUD’S SKY), and a terrain mod (DUD’S SKY - TERRA FIRMA). I don’t have a mod that changes placement of objects like flora etc.

[tropic wind]

I havent done any research or anything but is there/can there be a mod that allows the game to keep running when tabbed out? when not in mp

[hearty wasp]

there's an ahk script

search on the modding reddit

[west needle]

better planet generation is one of the best ones out there; and it also seems like it has a large update coming

[north prairie]

I really like Better Planet Generation but, be warned - if you find a cool planet that someone is sharing the portal glyphs for, it will not be the same with the mod installed

[desert kettle]

Look up Blooming Biomes its basically this mod but works with vanilla players!

its what I use

you get cool planets like this

it just ups the flora and fauna gen

[north prairie]

oh snap - i like this. Thanks

[desert kettle]

np!

[minor moat]

Are there any mods that could help with the issues of certain underground/water fauna not spawning? Unsure if that's something even fixable via mod

[junior surge]

i tried it out on some planets and i kinda didn't like it but this time i might just g for more fauna and flora instead of bigger

[leaden laurel]

So this ship I bought from a player in game, backed it up with No Mans Sky Save Editor, for those who want to try it and import it.

Contacted him again and asked how his mods on the ship stuck my side when I bought it, he said he used cheatengine, but did not want to say what script he ran or what option he used.

[spice agate]

Someone help me add a freighter to my new game it's greyed out

[vale iron]

There's no easy way to add a freighter if you don't have it yet. This might work:
Edit raw JSON, go to PlayerStateData\CurrentFreighter and paste this in:

    "Filename":"MODELS/COMMON/SPACECRAFT/INDUSTRIAL/FREIGHTER_PROC.SCENE.MBIN",
    "Seed":[
        true,
        "0x831"
    ],
    "AltId":"",
    "ProceduralTexture":{
        "Samplers":[]
    }
}```
Save in the JSON editor and then again on the main screen. You might have a freighter tab then. You would need to add the freighter hyperdrive tech item manually.

[spice agate]

So I'd be better off just randomly rescuing one and changing it to the victory ship instead?

[vale iron]

That would be the cleanest way

[spice agate]

Anybody know what the model seed for the victory is?

[hearty wasp]

What's the issue here?

The fire rate being massively high?

Can just be a ship stat

Tech wise I don't really know tho lol

[spice agate]

Where do I enter the freighter seed at to use the same one from the site?

[leaden laurel]

This I think yeah, and it has two of the main organs installed.

Two Spewing vents, not sure what they do really.

Ahh I see it has to do with weapons.

[vale iron]

Spewing vent is the photon cannon. Two might be increasing the fire rate

[leaden laurel]

Ahhh i see, thanks

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/2086?tab=description

I don't get this lol

[vocal zodiac]

sounds like a virus lol

i'm thinking about modding... I'd like to multiply settlement building costs by 10x but i'm not sure how i'd go about it in NMS Mod Builder

i was thinking i'd just iterate through GcSettlementGlobals and look for min/max amount and just *10 but idk if that would work

yeah that would work

[vale iron]

Yeah, if you want to keep the type of cost the same, just multiplying it should work

[vocal zodiac]

i want it to use alloys and stuff though, i think

[vale iron]

That's going to be more complicated. I don't use ModBuilder, so I'm not sure how easy it will be to change the product required

[vocal zodiac]

ill probably run a foreach but have it skip those ones with empty substances bc they're just there to skeeve me out i guess

oh i imagine it's... easy. i wanna say it's easy so i feel bad later

im just trying to put it all together in my head

so SettlementBuildingCosts has a structure like this

[x:id]
  stagecosts [
    [y:id]
      Products[]
      Substances[]
      AmountMin = a
      AmountMax = b
      Currency = ItemID
  ]

just sussing it out

so.... i first check the length of Substances, and if it is not 0, i multiply AmountMin and AmountMax by 10

sounds easy enough

why are functions preceded by Gc?

[idle frost]

Does anyone have the mod where living ships and golden vector spawn as NPC controlled ?

[vale iron]

Living ships, yes, golden vector no.
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1844

[idle frost]

Ty

[vocal zodiac]

i'm having trouble with namespaces and using

how would i load in GcSettlementGlobals

[mossy perch]

@vale iron a question here about GBase mods

Teleport cable length increased from 200u to 2,000u
Electricity wire length increased from 200u to 2,000u
Supply pipe length increased from 400u to 2,000u
Initial base boundary increased to 1,000u radius
Bumping out the boundary works in increments of 200u
Maximum base boundary is 2,000u radius

All those numbers the max amount we can get? or we can tweak (increaseing or decreasing) those by our self

[vocal zodiac]

@honest herald might need a hand, i'm afraid i got lost in the code

[vale iron]

You can definitely tweak that in the LUA

I won't comment on how high they can get, as they can be abused by griefers 😉

[mossy perch]

roger that

thank you

[vocal zodiac]

i might still need advice but it turns out i was approaching this all wrong and didn't realise GC was for data types and GL was for values, working at it now

[honest herald]

var settlementGlobals = Mbin<libMBIN.NMS.Globals>("GCSETTLEMENTGLOBALS.MBIN");

[vocal zodiac]

so i wouldn't use using for globals?

[honest herald]

You can

[vocal zodiac]

using GcSettlementGlobals = mbin_gl.GcSettlementGlobals;

valid?

[honest herald]

As for namespaces, you can't change that to my knowledge

Kushnir will show up magically and correct me if I'm wrong

He's like that

[vocal zodiac]

lolol

[honest herald]

Yeah. i call mbin_gl globals because underscores are hideous but you do you. 🤪

But wait

That's not how it's done

[vocal zodiac]

my trouble is making sure i don't put a period where i should put an underscore

not how it's done as in what i'm doing, or not how it's done as in what you're doing?

[honest herald]

You don't say using GcSettlementGlobals = mbin_gl.GcSettlementGlobals; because that is not meaningful by itself.

What you need to understand is that mbin_gl (I'm gonna call this globals from now on) is basically a container for object definitions.

[vocal zodiac]

ahhh... so i'm just loading the container

[honest herald]

so globals.GcSettlementGlobals is a type of object

[vocal zodiac]

basically the structure without the data

[honest herald]

Right

So when you say, "Mbin<libMBIN.NMS.Globals.GcSettlementGlobals>" (calling libMBIN.NMS.Globals whatever you want, here; honestly I may begin calling it Globals to be more consistent with my other practices of capitalizing objects), you're saying, "I want to use the Mbin function and the type I expect it to return is a GcSettlementGlobals object, the definition of which is found in libMBIN.NMS."

Then you put parentheses to provide the parameters (or indicate the lack of parameters) for that function.

In this case, Mbin<Type> takes one parameter: the file location of the MBIN you want to turn into a moddable game object.

So you type Mbin<libMBIN.NMS.Globals.GcSettlementGlobals>("GCSETTLEMENTGLOBALS.MBIN") to access the settlement globals because GCSETTLEMENTGLOBALS.MBIN is in the root of the unpacked game files.

[vocal zodiac]

allright

so
var settleGlobals = Mbin<libMBIN.NMS.Globals>("GCSETTLEMENTGLOBALS.MBIN");
should work

[honest herald]

That whole command gives you the GcSettlementGlobals object that contains all other info inside of GCSETTLEMENTGLOBALS.MBIN

[vocal zodiac]

er... with the other thing

[honest herald]

Haha not yet...

[vocal zodiac]

var settleGlobals = Mbin<libMBIN.NMS.Globals.GcSettlementGlobals>(            "GCSETTLEMENTGLOBALS.MBIN"
);

[honest herald]

There you have it.

[vocal zodiac]

and that's in my main function

[honest herald]

Now, at the top of your code, even before you declare your namespace, you can shorten libMBIN.NMS.Globals to whatever you want.

by saying:

using Globals = libMBIN.NMS.Globals;

Or anything else where Globals is

[vocal zodiac]

oh yeah, i noticed that up top
they pre-shorten the 'using' thing

[honest herald]

Yes

[vocal zodiac]

using mbin_gl = libMBIN.NMS.Globals;
using mbin_gc = libMBIN.NMS.GameComponents;
using mbin_tk = libMBIN.NMS.Toolkit;```

[honest herald]

Yes, you see he calls it mbin_gl right there.

[vocal zodiac]

so var settleGlobals = Mbin<mbin_gl.GcSettlementGlobals>( would also work? (truncated for clarity i guess)

lmao relearning C# at long last

[honest herald]

In the "good" examples at Microsoft's C# documentation, they capitalize their "used" variables like so, so I will probably match my style to this in the future, fwiw @vocal zodiac :

using System;

// Using alias directive for a class.
using AliasToMyClass = NameSpace1.MyClass;

// Using alias directive for a generic class.
using UsingAlias = NameSpace2.MyClass<int>;

(Known as PascalCase)

[honest herald]

Correct

[vocal zodiac]

oh yeah i like PascalCase

nice and punctual

[honest herald]

Yeah, in my next release, I think I may just chop off the libMBIN.NMS to keep things clear and consistent with how Enums are used not only in my files but in Chris' as well.

So libMBIN.NMS.GameComponents => GameComponents etc.

[vocal zodiac]

much simpler for sure

[honest herald]

right now I'm calling them globals, components, and toolkit, but in retrospect this is against Microsoft's standards so I think I'll change it because I'm just like that

I'll go through and do a find+replace later today

[vocal zodiac]

when would libMBIN.NMS be useful? i haven't seen any use for it myself

[honest herald]

Have it ready with improved grammar for 3.68

[vocal zodiac]

wooo
cant wait for updates to break things 😂

[honest herald]

I DID end up needing libMBIN.NMS in a script, but you don't need all four (NMS, Globals, GameComponents, Toolkit) in the vast majority of scripts

They're just there in templates so beginners know they exist.

I cannot recall exactly what I needed from NMS, but definitely something other than Globals, GameComponents, and Toolkit.

[vocal zodiac]

fair lol

i was thinking uhhh. fuk
i was thinking, like will var cover me for all data structs or do i need to get specific

because i'm pulling the content of SettlementBuildingCosts by doing
var settleCosts = settleGlobals.SettlementBuildingCosts;

[honest herald]

Aha

I remember

NMS.Colour

[vocal zodiac]

the horror

[honest herald]

Do define Colours for NMS objects, you use new NMS.Colour(float R, float G, float B, float Alpha)

or just new Colour if you use a "using".

[vocal zodiac]

four magnificent vectors!

[honest herald]

I do using Colour = nms.Colour; inside my namespace.

[vocal zodiac]

but yeah will var do it for all data structs or would it be safe to use structs when making data calls

[honest herald]

If you're using a variable locally, var is fine, but if you want to pass it to a new function (e.g. if you want to do all edits to an MBIN in one reference, but using 2+ distinct functions), then you need to mouse over an instance of whatever you're trying to pass and get its data type from the info that appears above the console (in the white bar immediately above it).

[vocal zodiac]

yeah im using a single function

i know it's dirty but it's just a single operation

so me pulling SettlementBuildingCosts like that doesn't raise any eyebrows?

[honest herald]

Hey, scratch that on using NMS for libMBIN.NMS, it conflicts with cmk.NMS, built into Mod Builder.

Gotta rethink that one.

[vocal zodiac]

yipes

maybe just use Game?

[honest herald]

This is right.

[vocal zodiac]

cool and fun

[honest herald]

Ehhhh I'll think of something else probably.

I may just stop using a shortcut for libMBIN.NMS since I only ever use it once in any given file.

Will think about it.

[vocal zodiac]

fair fair

i forget how to terminate a foreach

eh im sure i can look it up lol

not that i need it, fortunately

[honest herald]

foreach (var thing in things)
{
  DoStuff();
}

You just need open and closing braces

[vocal zodiac]

oh yeah i got that, no worries

[honest herald]

Yeah, I'm just gonna move Colour to the spot where my other stuff that is in libMBIN.NMS gets grabbed:

using Colour            = libMBIN.NMS.Colour;
using Toolkit            = libMBIN.NMS.Toolkit;
using Globals            = libMBIN.NMS.Globals;
using GameComponents    = libMBIN.NMS.GameComponents;

More consistent anyway

[vocal zodiac]

nice and clean

[honest herald]

Yeah I prefer this greatly to abbreviations, they're just so forgettable when you're new

The more like English I can make my code, the better for me

[vocal zodiac]

how do i push var changes to a global then?

[honest herald]

you mean to mod SettlementBuildingCosts?

[vocal zodiac]

yeah, that's the idea

here one sec

            
            // for each set of stages in settleCosts:
            foreach ( var settleCostStages in settleCosts ) {
                // for each stage in settleCostStages:
                foreach ( var Entry in settleCostStages ) {
                    // check if the Substances list is not 0
                    if ( Entry.Substances.Count != 0 ) {
                        // multiply AmountMin and AmountMax by x
                        Multiplier = 5;
                        
                        int NewMin = Entry.AmountMin * Multiplier;
                        int NewMax = Entry.AmountMax * Multiplier;
                        
                        
                    }
                }
            }```

oh good lord that's messy

[west bridge]

l o l

i pay $3.30 just for mods

[vocal zodiac]

and then how would i push that to the global

[west bridge]

that has all games you can think

[honest herald]

@vocal zodiac First, I would recommend you rename your individual elements to reflect that they are singular phenomena; then, you can simply mod the entries directly by slightly adjusting a couple of your lines. Also, Entry is a local variable, so standard C# grammar says this should be camelCase, not PascalCase; and your Multiplier variable (which needs to be multiplier) is unnecessarily recreated (except with no type, which is a separate problem). Further, you're conflating costs and stages in your names; the "stages" variable is a cost, and the "Entry" variable is actually a stage. Finally, you need to create settleCostStages before you can use it. When that's all fixed, you have this:

            var settleCosts = settleGlobals.SettlementBuildingCosts;
                          
            // multiply AmountMin and AmountMax by x
            var multiplier = 5;
            
            // for each set of stages in settleCosts:
            foreach (var cost in settleCosts) 
            {
                var settleCostStages = cost.StageCosts;

                foreach (var stage in settleCostStages) 
                {
                    // check if the Substances list is not 0
                    if (stage.Substances.Count != 0) 
                    {
                        stage.AmountMin *= multiplier;
                        stage.AmountMax *= multiplier;
                    }
                }
            }

[vocal zodiac]

oh yes, i noticed the type error

overlooked everything else though.... whoops

        protected void Main ()
        {
            // GcSettlementGlobals contains various entries but our interest is in
            // SettlementBuildingCosts, which contains entries of type
            // GcSettlementBuildingCostData.
            var settleGlobals = Mbin<Globals.GcSettlementGlobals>(
            "GCSETTLEMENTGLOBALS.MBIN"
            );
            
            // multiplier for the amounts
            int multiplier = 10;
            
            // our goal here is to load these entries of GcSettlementBuildingCostData,
            // verify that Substances' length is greater than 0,
            // then extract AmountMin and AmountMax and multiply them by 10
            var settleCosts = settleGlobals.SettlementBuildingCosts;
            
            // for each set of stages in settleCosts:
            foreach ( var cost in settleCosts ) {
                
                var settleCostStages = cost.StageCosts;
                
                // for each stage in settleCostStages:
                foreach ( var stage in settleCostStages ) {
                    
                    // check if the Substances list is not 0
                    if ( stage.Substances.Count != 0 ) {
                        stage.AmountMin *= multiplier;
                        stage.AmountMax *= multiplier;
                    }
                }
            }
        }```

ooer

there we go

[honest herald]

Looks good. Most people would tab "GCSETTLEMENTGLOBALS.MBIN" once. Also, fyi, those parentheses for foreach loops are a bit off the Microsoft docs, so I adjusted them to the standards in my example for you above if you care.

Kushnir has a bit of his own style, which is cool, I just try to write super pedantically in line with published standards for my language when it comes to naming conventions (unless they try to tell me to use underscores and then damn them all to hell 🤪 ).

Also, FYI, you will have to call Main() here.

Main does not get called first in Mod Builder.

Execute does.

So you'll need to have somewhere:

        protected override void Execute()
        {
            Main();
        }

But, yes, that would make everything more expensive.

I see no errors, if it compiles and the script builds a pak, I'd say it's working.

(Assuming your function calls are straight)

[vocal zodiac]

oh yeah i know, i assumed it works like unity

it inserted an Execute() on the template

in all

so how do i go about building the mod? and why is it that when i hit compile, nothing is created?

like no file is created when i compile all

and for some reason, the console says 'no mods' when i have mine checked

@honest herald srry hate to ping but the console is saying i have no mods when i have mine enabled

[honest herald]

@vocal zodiac It's cool, sorry, just updating my grammar for 3.68.

I click Save All, then I click Compile (not sure if compile autosaves tbh, but FYI ctrl+S does not work), then I go to Mod Builder tab, then Execute, then Build & Save PAK

Also make sure you unpacked game files (must be done every time you run Mod Builder)

Can I see your output on Mod Builder page if it doesn't work?

[vocal zodiac]

oh yep i got it

all compiled

got a pak

[honest herald]

Cool!

Should be workin then

you can check in PAK Items

By opening the pak you just saved

And then using the second drop down to see which MBINs it changed

[vocal zodiac]

so just to verify i guess... how does mod builder work anyway? like does it just change the MBIN and pack up that, or does it programmatically do things at game run?

oh yeah it's working by the way

thank you very much for your help

[honest herald]

The script is compiled into an executable, then the script is executed, which means it does the things you designed it to do to the MBINs, and ultimately creates modified versions of those MBINs. The modded MBINs are what ultimately get packed into the final mod.pak file (by MBIN Compiler) and actually change the game.

[vocal zodiac]

ahhh, cool

that's pretty neat

[honest herald]

Some people manually mod MBINs and such

[vocal zodiac]

yeah thats what i was doing for a while

nightmare

[honest herald]

lol yes

Another cool thing about Mod Builder that Kushnir was teaching me the other day is that all your Mod Builder scripts can be automerged to reduce likelihood of conflicts

If 3 of your scripts access and modify the same MBIN, the latter scripts will modify the previously modified version of that MBIN, not the original version, so that all changes can stack

This is not how things work from the pak side; 3 paks modding the same MBIN will overwrite each other entirely (in alphabetical order)

@vocal zodiac

[vocal zodiac]

oh hey, sweet

so it's cascading changes

[honest herald]

Yes

So relatively easy to merge scripts

[vocal zodiac]

like xml patches almost

[honest herald]

Similar yeah

[vocal zodiac]

honestly what ive been wanting for a while is just an ability to make patch files that modify certain things and leave everything else alone

i think this is the closest we got though

[honest herald]

I mean... this can definitely do that.

you can modify any one thing and touch nothing else if you want

[vocal zodiac]

mhm

[honest herald]

Also any other modding can so I'm not sure what you mean honestly

Even if I manually edit an MBIN, I can change just one line of it...

[vocal zodiac]

oh i mean like, for manually editing and compat with other mods

[honest herald]

At least AFAIK

Ohhhhhh

I see, yes, this is my favorite way to manually merge mods

But LUA scripts will need to be rewritten

Usually they're fairly easy to rewrite though.

Often briefer in C# than LUA

[vocal zodiac]

lua is great and all but i never learned it

fuk i forgot the or operator

nm i remembered

it turns out the Products are also a thing

so now it correctly multiplies Products as well

[honest herald]

Oh right, makes sense

Way to get it solved

[vocal zodiac]

woo wooooo

[west bridge]

Wooo lol

[hearty wasp]

Eucli-ea 3.3.1

Updated with MBINCompiler 3.68.0 pre1

Recategorised objects to make everything show up in menus

Fixed snapping for all objects

Fixed problematic models which caused crashes
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/367

[mossy perch]

nice

[formal folio]

is this mod still ok to use?https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1249

[hearty wasp]

no

[honest herald]

@hearty wasp I sent him an updated version.

[hearty wasp]

nice

[rapid sandal]

Would suggest pulling multiplier out of Main and making it a class level public static. This will allow other scripts that run before this one to 'config' this script if needed.

[rapid sandal]

NOOOOO !!!!!! HERESY !!!!!! Mod Builder DOES NOT NEED, DOES NOT WANT, ANY PAK ITEMS TO BE UNPACKED !!!!!!
Part of why it was created was to avoid having to ever unpack pak items to disk again. It unpacks and converts items directly from the source pak files into memory on-demand.

[rapid sandal]

It extracts pak items into memory on-demand. One or more scripts may then modify the same or different pak items. All changed pak items are then re-packed into a new mod pak file and saved into the correct game folder.

[vocal zodiac]

that's not a bad idea at all, thank you

[rapid sandal]

On the mod script tab, when you compile it compiles all mod scripts into a single in-memory dll. It then creates instances of each script class from the in-memory dll and calls the Execute method on each.

[vocal zodiac]

ohhhh, so you're the fabled kushnir i've heard so much about

[rapid sandal]

Not "can be", "are". It is intended that you eventually have scripts for all the mods you want and then create one merged mod pak from whatever scripts you want. When a script gets an Mbin<>() object the first to request the specific pak item will extract a new instance. Subsequent scripts that request the same pak item will get the cached object, so they can add their changes to those made by prior scripts.

[honest herald]

Oh... so is it more accurate to say it just loads them (or their locations) but doesn't unpack them unless we want to read them?

(In retrospect it seems obvious that unpack was the wrong word for that first stage because if it were doing that it would presumably take a loooooot longer)...

[rapid sandal]

By default when a script calls Mbin<>() it is the same as if the script called Game.PCBANKS.Mbin<>() i.e. it is getting the object from the game pak items. You could also call Game.MODS.Mbin<>() to extract an item from a mod pak if you wanted to create a patch mod ... but you really have to understand what you are doing, and it's almost always a bad idea.

[vocal zodiac]

cool!

cue me just not registering that you're literally the developer of the mod builder

i thought the name was familiar

[honest herald]

I told you he would magically show up to correct me.

[rapid sandal]

It never unpacks any pak files to disk, unless you specifically click the Save button for a specific pak item you are viewing in the PAK Items tab. When you load a game instance you will see in the messages that it is "Loading all game and mod .pak item info." Here it is reading the meta-data for each game (PCBANKS) and mod (PCBANKS/MODS) *.pak file. The meta-data for a given pak file is a list of all the pak items in the file, along with the data required to unpack each item - this meta data is call the Pak.Item.Info. When you extract the data from a pak file using a Pak.Item.Info object you get a Pak.Item.Data object e.g. a mbin item. When you call Mbin<>() it looks up the info object using the specified string, gets the cached instance if it exists else extracts a new instance and caches it, then has libMBIN.dll decompile the mbin data into an object, then casts the object to the type specified in <>.

[honest herald]

What about when we view MBINs in the PAK Items tab that we did not call directly using Mbin<>()? Does this also get the cache instance if it exists or else extract-and-cache?

[rapid sandal]

Hmmm, it does unpack, unpack is the correct word, but you said "Also make sure you unpacked game files (must be done every time you run Mod Builder)".
This strongly suggests that the pak files need to be extracted to disk ... and you are saying every time you run the app ... nope, don't need it, don't do it.
The only time you may want to manually extract pak items to disk is if you want to mod outside of the app e.g. mod some *.dds image items then put them in the loose folder for a script so the get included when you build the mod pak.

[honest herald]

So does it unpack them at load time, or does it unpack them at view time? I'm still fuzzy on when the "unpacking" happens. I did not think anything was being extracted to disk, didn't mean to imply that, but I'm also honestly unclear on when the game's .pak files are unpacked into a readable state by the app...

[rapid sandal]

Each item you view in the PAK Items tab is extracted into memory on-demand - quick like bunny not slow like tortoise.

[honest herald]

I seeeeeee

Okay

That explains why it loads so fast

So there is sort of a disconnect between "loading" and "unpacking" here if by unpack I mean render human-legible, rather than simply read metadata?

The human-legible-part doesn't come until the moment we want to read something? Just wanna be 100% I follow.

[rapid sandal]

The loading of a game instance does a lot in parallel - watch your cpu. But extracting (decompressing) a single item from a pak file and the decompiling (mbin) into an object is usually really fast - fast enough that even doing it twice for diff views is fine. Only the really large mbins have any noticable lag.

[honest herald]

So to read the files, we have to "extract" the pak info; and when we actually run scripts, that's the only time MBINs are actually decompiled?

[rapid sandal]

Yes, for PAK Items tab viewing each item is unpacked and converted (mbin decompiled binary to object, dds converted to bitmap, spv decompiled to text, ...) at the moment you select the item from the breadcrumb control.

[honest herald]

Got it. I will do my best to not butcher the explanations as badly in the next video. 😅

[rapid sandal]

"We have to extract" user doesn't app does. Mbin's are decompiled anytime they need to be viewed (PAK Items tab), or queried (query script), or modified (mod script). Their headers are also extracted and parsed as part of loading the game instance so I can get the top-level class for the libMBIN API tab. But again, the mbins are decompiled from the in-memory Stream created when they are unpacked from the pak file into an in-memory object. There are no writes to disk, only reads from the source pak files (spv are an exception, currently they create a temp file for spirv-cross, although I'm testing having them pipe into stdin instead).

[honest herald]

I see, okay, I think I'm getting the terminology straight now... so (if I'm not still entirely lost) game files being "unpacked" literally means those paks in GAMEDATA are decompiled into objects and made human readable, but NMSMB does not do this until the moment we access something.

So to say we "unpack" in the beginning is pretty far off, because those MBINs aren't really decompiled into human-readable form, i.e. "unpacked", yet, correct?

Or is that not what is meant by unpacking?

[honest herald]

By "we have to extract the pak info," I meant we are responsible for identifying the game's install directory so that the app will extract the pak info. I was trying to use proper terminology for each stage of what we're doing in the app. The initial "loading" stage is what I believe you're saying involves "extraction" of pak info, but I'm not sure if this is "unpacking", or if unpacking also implies decompiling into legible form.

[rapid sandal]

1. Game and Mod pak files are loaded - means reading the meta-data (Pak.Item.Info) from those files and building the lists of items they contain (along with the info needed to extract each item).
2. Unpack - means use the loaded meta-data (Pak.Item.Info) to extract (usually decompress) the raw binary data from the pak file for a given item (you get a Pak.Item.Data wrapper object).
3. Convert|Decompile - means take the raw data for an extracted|unpacked item and convert (dds to bitmap) or decompile (mbin to object, spv to text) to something useable|viewable.

[honest herald]

I seeee....

[rapid sandal]

Correct, that would take minutes, not seconds.

[honest herald]

So yes, I thought unpack meant 1, 2, and 3, basically, which is way off.

And I also thought 1, 2, and 3 might be happening when we loaded game files in Mod Builder — also way off

[mossy perch]

anyone knows where do I edit the title - to unlock it all with NMSSE?

[honest herald]

you're saying only 1 happens at first, and 2 and 3 happen when we read an MBIN file (or something else in gamedata).

[rapid sandal]

Think of pak files like zip files. You can open a zip and see the contents (list of files) and that's fast - that's 1) above.
But when you unzip it takes a lot longer. Pak files are more optimized to being able to unpack a single item than zip files - that's 2) above.

[honest herald]

Thanks for the clarification. I will fix the video when 3.68 is out. Me now use word more better.

lol

[rapid sandal]

1. happens when you load a game instance. Basically indexing all the pak items.

[rapid sandal]

😀

[formal folio]

is there an updated version of this mod https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1191?tab=description

[rapid sandal]

I believe setting LuckyWithTech = true in GCPLAYERGLOBALS.GLOBAL.MBIN used to do this, not sure if still does. Simple enough that you can use discord bot on No Man's Sky - Creative and Sharing Hub to make one and test. Looks like that mod went through each item and made the min value = max value for each stat, should be a fairly simple C# script, just loop through each item and set NumStatsMin = NumStatsMax, then for each item loop through each stat and set ValueMin = ValueMax.

[formal folio]

I dont know the first thing about modding this game, so I will just save-load cheese the few upgrades I want to install

thanks for the advice though

[honest herald]

Can confirm both still work @formal folio

Also Best Buds on Nexus has a mod that does this.... I believe it's in NoDice and maybe also in Burryaga.

But those mods also do other stuff

[formal folio]

thanks

For S Class Exocraft Engine modules, NoDice sets fuel usage to -15% instead of -20%

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spring vessel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/puhw17/found_dogdds_in_the_files_of_no_mans_sky/

If someone can extract dog.dds into a transparent PNG I'll make it a server emoji

[formal folio]

https://www.pngjoy.com/pngm/9/283860_funny-dog-with-glasses-png-transparent-png.png

through the magic of reverse image search

[honest herald]

It should make all your upgrades roll max stats

Ohhhh

@formal folio i see, I'll fix that, thanks

[hearty wasp]

that's a png with checkerboard background

[honest herald]

This is because some maxes need to be set to mins and I missed that one. Thanks for telling me. Will fix it when get home

[hearty wasp]

https://cdn.pngsumo.com/funny-dog-with-glass-png-funny-dog-png-640_640.png

try this

@spring vessel

[vocal zodiac]

here's this also

[spring vessel]

Magical, thanks y'all, I'll pretty up the edging and upload it

[vocal zodiac]

in the meantime... i am making a mod that doubles wait timers on buildings

because rome wasn't built in a day

[hearty wasp]

what a sadist

[vocal zodiac]

[vocal zodiac]

@rapid sandal is there any way to get data to print to compiler console?

[rapid sandal]

Doh, really, I sent a pak that made all min = max. Guess I'll tweak to set min and max = farthest value from 0.

[honest herald]

Yeah, I corrected a few of those but missed exocraft stuff

[rapid sandal]

BurstCooldown min = 0.9, max = 0.85

[honest herald]

I hardly use Exocraft stuff

[rapid sandal]

Only found 3 where min > max: Weapon_Projectile_BurstCooldown, Ship_Launcher_TakeOffCost, Freighter_Fleet_Fuel

[honest herald]

Cool I'll verify when home

[spring vessel]

[hearty wasp]

nice

[honest herald]

I don't think this is sufficient. For stuff like Weapon_Laser_ReloadTime, I'm pretty sure Min what you want, but Min < Max.

[rapid sandal]

Yeah, even the Ship_Launcher_TakeOffCost is odd, min > max only for alien stuff, other stuff its min <= max

[honest herald]

Yeah, lots of weird quirks in doing it manually

I'm just gonna make a helper function and go through that table once very carefully to build a filter function.

        /*
         * Cause all stats to be maximum on tech upgrades while this mod is enabled.
         * Upgrades will revert to a seed-based value when this mod is inactive.
         */        
        protected void DestroyBadUpgrades()
        {
            var proceduralTechnology = Mbin<GameComponents.GcProceduralTechnologyTable>(
                "METADATA/REALITY/TABLES/NMS_REALITY_GCPROCEDURALTECHNOLOGYTABLE.MBIN"
            );
            
            foreach(var upgrade in proceduralTechnology.Table) 
            {
                foreach(var statLevel in upgrade.StatLevels) 
                {
                    if (MaxIsBest(upgrade.ID.Value))
                    {
                        statLevel.ValueMin = statLevel.ValueMax;
                    }
                    else
                    {
                        statLevel.ValueMax = statLevel.ValueMin;
                    }
                }
            }            
        }```

I don't see any flags identifying which upgrades have Min as the thing you want.

[rapid sandal]

I think maybe use the WeightingCurve. Whichever is 'rare' min|max should be the more desirable value. there are 3 max, 3 min, and neither

[honest herald]

Oh you're right!

That lines up completely with what I just noticed about UP_LASER4 (guessing this is S-class mining upgrade)...

ValueMax is .85, which I'm using, and that translates to +15% mining speed

but .80 is ValueMin.... I bet that's 20%

And that rarity says MinIsUncommon

[rapid sandal]

Yeah, I'm just going to switch on the WeightingCurve enum and set approp

[honest herald]

I'm pretty sure you nailed it

Ditto

Good eye

Gonna use this ```

    protected bool MaxIsBest(WeightingCurveEnum curve)
    {
        switch (curve)
        {
            case WeightingCurveEnum.MaxIsUncommon:
            case WeightingCurveEnum.MaxIsRare:
            case WeightingCurveEnum.MaxIsSuperRare:
                return true;
            default:
                return false;
        }
    }            

Bout to test

Seems to have worked @rapid sandal

[rapid sandal]

Make sure to do it for NumStatsMin|NumStatsMax as well

[honest herald]

Hmmm

[rapid sandal]

NumStatsMin = 1
NumStatsMax = 2
WeightingCurve GcWeightingCurve
WeightingCurve = WeightingCurveEnum:MaxIsRare

[honest herald]

Is that relevant for S-class?

Meh, might as well max the lower classes too

[rapid sandal]

Possible stats are penalties, in which case fewer might be better

[honest herald]

I see... never seen penalties on my upgrades

[rapid sandal]

🤷‍♂️ just sayin'

[honest herald]

Valid thing to be sayin, will add

[rapid sandal]

I expect they are all max or none, but may as well be complete

[honest herald]

        
        /*
         * Cause all stats to be maximum on tech upgrades while this mod is enabled.
         * Upgrades will revert to a seed-based value when this mod is inactive.
         */        
        protected void DestroyBadUpgrades()
        {
            var proceduralTechnology = Mbin<GameComponents.GcProceduralTechnologyTable>(
                "METADATA/REALITY/TABLES/NMS_REALITY_GCPROCEDURALTECHNOLOGYTABLE.MBIN"
            );
            
            foreach(var upgrade in proceduralTechnology.Table) 
            {
                var curveNumStats = upgrade.WeightingCurve.WeightingCurve;
                        
                if (MaxIsBest(curveNumStats))
                {
                    upgrade.NumStatsMin = upgrade.NumStatsMax;
                }
                else
                {
                    upgrade.NumStatsMax = upgrade.NumStatsMin;
                }
                
                
                foreach(var statLevel in upgrade.StatLevels) 
                {
                    var curveValue = statLevel.WeightingCurve.WeightingCurve;
                        
                    if (MaxIsBest(curveValue))
                    {
                        
                        statLevel.ValueMin = statLevel.ValueMax;
                    }
                    else
                    {
                        statLevel.ValueMax = statLevel.ValueMin;
                    }
                }
            }            
        }

complete

[rapid sandal]

Mine looks about the same

[honest herald]

Right on

@formal folio Should be workin now

[rapid sandal]

... I still prefer just setting LuckyWithTech = true

... let's see them do that in lua 🙂

[vocal zodiac]

i'm gonna combine my multiplier mods into one thing i think

should be easy

should i use a datatype when making a public function?

[rapid sandal]

??? example

[vocal zodiac]

err... okayso the example i have is a globals file with a given structure

[rapid sandal]

The only reason you'd make method public is for them to be called by other scripts. However, you have to understand the script class model to do that. Making script members|methods public static however makes it easy for other scripts to change|call. You can use that to make 'helper' scripts, ones that don't derive from ModScript or have an Execute, just some public static methods that you can call from any of your other mod scripts.

[vocal zodiac]

righto

do i need to type the argument tho

[rapid sandal]

I'm looking at adding another script tab just for helper scripts that can be used by either query or mod scripts.
It would mainly be to try and move all libMBIN.dll classes out of the app code and into script code. That would allow modding any release of the game, instead of now where you can only mod a game release that is compatible w/ the libMBIN.dll in the app folder.

[vocal zodiac]

like would it be best practice to type that or can i get away with just a var

[rapid sandal]

I tend to prefer var where I can use it

[vocal zodiac]

fair

im just thinking ahead really

lol you should see my method of multiplying settlement build times

yall like thinking in 4d while im still doing 1+2

sometimes i am not sure how i managed to get a software development diploma

thank god it's all just done at compile time and packed up as mbins rather than actual executable code

...ingame

i mean

[rapid sandal]

Ah, but being able to run our own methods at runtime would be the best for modding. Right now we're just config junkies.

[vocal zodiac]

just like minecraft modding, imagine that

[split bobcat]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyMods/comments/dkob5c/manual_ship_and_multitool_color_customization/

[wise tusk]

Hello! Do you guys know if there's a mod to hide the jetpack

?

[hearty wasp]

meta mod

search on nexus

[wise tusk]

Very useful, I'll try it. Thanks!

[honest herald]

Lmao I use that, too, but I provide alternatives in my public paks. That variable is in my movement mod, though. It's just located very awkwardly.

[vocal zodiac]

aight so i need a hand with a piece of clunker code

            GcSettlementGlobals settleGlobals,
            ulong multiplier
        )    {            
            // get settlement build times
            var settleBuildTimes = settleGlobals.SettlementBuildingTimes;
            
            // for as many entries in settleBuildTimes:
            for (int i = 0; i < settleBuildTimes.Length; i++) {
                //multiply settleBuildTimes by the multiplier
                settleBuildTimes[i] *= multiplier;                
            }
        }```

for some reason this isn't doing what it should be doing

which is modify the SettlementBuildingTimes array

i'm multiplying two ulongs

what i'd like to do is have a for each loop but the compiler won't let me assign value to an iterator

@honest herald could i get some pointers here?

whats happening here is that the values aren't reflected in the output GcSettlementGlobals.mbin

no compile errors

okay it might just be me being silly and misplacing a file

[honest herald]

Let me run it on my end

[inner shell]

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask but, will Redmas fantasy mod work with realistc space w/ cruise mode?

[vocal zodiac]

apologies, it was human error, all fixed now :]

[honest herald]

Great

[vocal zodiac]

basically i was compiling to a different folder than my mods folder

[honest herald]

Ahhhh

[vocal zodiac]

didn't see the changes reflected because the fixes i'd implemented were in a different place than the builder was looking

i do love this mod tool but god i'm rusty

[honest herald]

ugh I wish they would drop 3.68 lmfao

[steel crypt]

DUD'S SKY - COLORS updated v3.67.3
(Overhauled custom toxic and barren colors.)
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/968

[rapid sandal]

Yeah, by default it prompts to save mod paks it creates in the game PCBANKS/MODS/ folder (where they belong), but you can save anywhere. When viewing PAK Items it only looks at mod paks in the PCBANKS/MODS/ folder, no option to have it look elsewhere.

[vocal zodiac]

i'm having trouble replacing lists with my own sets of lists

how would i go about doing this

like if i had a list of strings and i wanted to replace them entirely with another list i had created in the program

the example i have here is

        [0] "GAS3"
        [1] "PLANT_RADIO"
        [2] "ROBOT1"
        [3] "SPACEGUNK3"
        [4] "PLANT_TOXIC"```

and what i'm trying to replace it with in-program is

            settleGlobals.VykeenProductionElements = new List<string> {
                "WAR_CURIO1",         // Vy'keen Effigy
                "WAR_CURIO2",            // Vy'keen Dagger
                "FOOD_P_RADWILD", // Grahberry
                "AMMO",                        // Projectile Ammunition
                "ROBOT1"                    // Pugneum
            };```

the error i get on compile is
spdx_ItTakesAVillage(54,45): error CS0029: Cannot implicitly convert type 'System.Collections.Generic.List<string>' to 'System.Collections.Generic.List<libMBIN.NMS.NMSString0x10>

[rapid sandal]

Yeah, most of the 'strings' in libMBIN are wrapper classes that have a string Value field. So try settleGlobals.VykeenProductionElements = new List<libMBIN.NMS.NMSString0x10> ...

We added implicit convertors to go back-forth between C# string and libMBIN NMSString* types which helps in most (but not all) cases.

If you look at the Inventory_* scripts you will see they replace the default new game inventories in a similar manner.

[vocal zodiac]

yeah ive been using them as refreshers + guides, very handy

is 'Game' a reserved namespace of some kind? i tried doing using Game = libMBIN.NMS; but it bugged out on me

it works fine typed out like that btw, thank you

[rapid sandal]

There are 2 Game: 1) cmk.NMS.Game is a namespace that has classes like cmk.NMS.Game.Data, cmk.NMS.Game.Location, ... 2) Script class has cmk.NMS.Game.Data Game member that has the current game instance data. So generally use Game.* to use the script variable and NMS.Game to access the namespace.

[vocal zodiac]

yeah, i noticed that... cheers

[rapid sandal]

So yeah, adding another Game name will probably complicate things 🙂

[vocal zodiac]

i ended up using NoMansSky as my shorthand

pretty on the nose but it's nice and memorable

hot question of the hour: what collectable food item do we associate the Gek with?

like, if you had to choose a specific food item that you can pick out in the wild

personally i'd go with pulpy roots

[median grove]

anyone able to help me out on this my game got messed up and i save edited a ship to replace my missing one but it keeps saying there no fuel when there is to fly

[vale iron]

I haven't heard of that before. Can you screenshot the ship page from the save editor?

[median grove]

sent you a dm

[mossy perch]

Redma's Fantasy core?

I dont think so

since Redma's fantasy mod overhauls many aspects that includes space overhauls and the realistic space also mainly overhauls space aspects

but if both have lua file then you maybe can merge them

[inner shell]

Oh ok thanks

[fallow meadow]

Most likely the 'MaintenanceInteractions' in the Raw JSON data.

[fallow meadow]

Titles are in the 'accountdata', which you will have to edit manually for the main ones, as NMSSE does not have another way of adding those. Keep in mind some titles will have to meet in-game requirements as well. Some expedition titles are present in the list of Season Rewards and can be added through the 'Account' tab

[vocal zodiac]

is GCCHARACTERGLOBALS.GLOBAL.MBIN supposed to be empty?

using the mod builder

@rapid sandal GCCHARACTERGLOBALS.GLOBAL.MBIN is loading as an empty file, i'm not sure if there's an issue with the file or my config or whatever but it's loading and decompiling via mbincompiler

[rapid sandal]

If you use the PAK Items tab to view an mbin item and it shows nothing then libMBIN.dll was unable to decompile the mbin. The global ones should all decompile fine for the current game release and latest MBINC.

Check the first tab to see if there are any error messages.

fwiw it's working for me: NMSMB: 2.1.2, Steam install, NMS.exe date 2021-09-17, libMBIN 3.68.0.1.

[vocal zodiac]

it threw a 'unable to read beyond end of stream'

[rapid sandal]

Are you viewing the game version or a mod version of the mbin ?

[vocal zodiac]

game version

[rapid sandal]

And the app is showing the same versions for everything I listed ? (all visible in statusbar at bottom)

[vocal zodiac]

yep

   at System.IO.BinaryReader.InternalRead(Int32 numBytes)
   at System.IO.BinaryReader.ReadSingle()
   at libMBIN.NMSTemplate.DeserializeValue(BinaryReader reader, Type field, NMSAttribute settings, Int64 templatePosition, FieldInfo fieldInfo, NMSTemplate parent)
   at libMBIN.NMSTemplate.DeserializeBinaryTemplate(BinaryReader reader, String templateName)
   at cmk.NMS.MBINC.MbinToEbin(String PATH, Stream MBIN) in D:\dev\prj\cmk\Game\NoMansSky\Common\NMS\MBINC\MBINC.p.EBIN.cs:line 46```

here's the exact error

im currently having a 'fun' time rifling through files and shit trying to find what controls the number of NPCs that spawn per system

from what ive seen about 5 variations are given for each system so im looking around for 5 or 6

[rapid sandal]

So the MbinToEbin method is calling into libMBIN and asking to 1) create a MBINFile wrapper around the binary data extracted from the pak, then 2) parse the header of the mbin binary data. I expect that the read error is while it's reading the header.

However, like I said it's working for me without issue. Try restarting the app and reloading the game (it's Steam right ?). If you still get the error then check the steam install file integrity. Hold on, I'll start steam to see if it tries to auto-update, there is also the possibility that a newer version was loaded into steam that changed the pak files but not the nms.exe date. wait a bit for me to check ...

So there was an update, but mine still extracts without issue.

Maybe steam did the update while you had the app open and therefor the app meta-data was out-of-sync with the new game files ? The app only auto-reloaded changed mod paks, didn't expect to have to handle changing game pak files.

[vocal zodiac]

i dunno... i havent got an update

[rapid sandal]

Did you restart Mod Builder and reload the Steam game instance ?

[vocal zodiac]

ill do it later, sorry

just reaming through data

givin me a headache

[rapid sandal]

If the loaded app meta-data is out-of-sync w/ the current game data I'd suggest restarting the app and reloading the game (takes ~20sec). Otherwise you may find other mbin's don't load as well. Just sayin'.

[minor moat]

So apologies if this was mentioned somewhere but I couldn't find it via search - if you use a mod to stack items higher than normal (eg. something to 9999), then remove the mod later, would all of the items above the normal stack limit get deleted? Or would they just have an abnormally large stack size until split later?

[left sentinel]

the latter

[vocal zodiac]

hey @left sentinel do you remember where you got the ship variant counts from?

like, per system

i cant remember if you told me or someone else

[left sentinel]

wiki

though I dont think I told you

[vocal zodiac]

you mustve mentioned it

[minor moat]

Oh sweet, thanks. Another game I play they'd be deleted on a restart which is why I was concerned, good to know I can remove the mod safely though if needed

[left sentinel]

Every star system has 21 different ship designs: 7 shuttle types, 3 ships of each specialist type (Fighter, Hauler, or Explorer), 1 Exotic, and 4 other specialist ships based on that system's dominant race
https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Starship

[vocal zodiac]

oh yeah i read that im just not sure what file that might be configured in

[rapid sandal]

GCSOLARGENERATIONGLOBALS.GLOBAL.MBIN CivilianTraderSpaceshipsCacheCount = 20 (plus 1 i think for alien). If you change that I believe you can alter # of diff ships gen per ssytem.
The SpaceshipWeightings in the same mbin controls how many of each type of ship make up the CivilianTraderSpaceshipsCacheCount + 1 ships in the system i.e. how many royal, shuttle, ...
Look at the Ship script in Mod Builder.

[vocal zodiac]

fuuu... i shoulda seen that

im just thinking where npc variants are controlled

bc theres like 5 per system

[rapid sandal]

You mean like pirates and merchants ?

[vocal zodiac]

no like um
characters, the characters you see in landed ships and at locations

they walk about and you can talk to them

i wanted to increase the number of possible variants

[rapid sandal]

I believe they use the same settings I mentioned. All ships in a system pull from that same list.

[vocal zodiac]

im not talking about systems im talking about characters

character faces, yknow

theres about 5 different faces for each race in a system

[rapid sandal]

Ah, I was responding to your orig question "where you got the ship variant counts from" ... # of faces is probably in the race descriptor mbin, just like parts for anything that are procedurally put together.

[rapid sandal]

See: MODELS/COMMON/PLAYER/PLAYERCHARACTER/NPCGEK.DESCRIPTOR.MBIN you can see all the diff face parts that are proc selected to gen a given npc

If you use the Get_Descriptor_Tree query script it will extract all the parts from the descriptor tree and dump to a file. Just add the path I specified to the list of mbins it's dumping (resulting dump is ~9MB, MANY combo's).

[vocal zodiac]

nooo thats not it

i have a theory

im gonna test it

it did not work

apparently increasing the spaceships cache just makes shuttles spawn

[keen ginkgo]

Hey, is it possible to change game modes with save editing?

[rapid sandal]

So do you think that the # of diff ships/system is somehow related to the # of diff npc's/system. I don't think that's true.
The # and types of ships that spawn/system use CivilianTraderSpaceshipsCacheCount for # of diff/system and SpaceshipWeightings for the ditribution of types in CivilianTraderSpaceshipsCacheCount (how many of CivilianTraderSpaceshipsCacheCount are shuttles).
The # of npc/system is almost certainly another unrelated list.

[vocal zodiac]

yeah i just tested it

tragically didn't work

i looked for ages around the files and stuff and couldn't find anything

[honest herald]

I believe NomNom can do this. I haven't done it.

[vocal zodiac]

here's my mod if anyone wants it: doubles build times, build cost x10, reworked settlement products and increased settlement population + increased the maximum NPCs to 64

i intend to expand it with time and whenever it takes my fancy

i made it cuz i just felt that construction and investment into a colony needed more impact than a handful of sand
maybe people consider it completely unthinkable that the timers needed extending but, hey, i think they should take longer

and also cost 10x more

because yknow, initial investment

it takes a village to raise a child and all that

[honest herald]

Haha you should post it on Nexus. I'm the opposite player but you may find a niche market on there.

[vocal zodiac]

oh yeah i am rn

[rapid sandal]

Has an error. Look at the diif of the mod pak. About 1/2 way down [41:Settlement_Small]. "LAND1" was moved from Substances lists to Products list ... according to the diff. Maybe manually unpack and decompile from mod pak to verify not an error w/ the diff engine.

[vocal zodiac]

that's an error in the game

[rapid sandal]

"LAND1" is a substance, not product

[vocal zodiac]

compare it against the game's version of the same file

                    Products List<NMSString0x10>[1]
                        [0] "LAND1"
                    Substances List<NMSString0x10>[0]
                    AmountMin = 140
                    AmountMax = 140
                    Currency GcCurrency
                        Currency = CurrencyEnum:Units```

[rapid sandal]

[2:RegularStorey] GcSettlementBuildingCostData
Products List<NMSString0x10>[0]
Substances List<NMSString0x10>[1]
[0] "LAND1"
AmountMin = 140
AmountMax = 140
Currency GcCurrency
Currency = CurrencyEnum:Units

You looking at the game mbin ?

[vocal zodiac]

it compiled fine from the looks of things

did it crash your game?

[rapid sandal]

Check your pcbanks folder, make sure you haven't saved any mods in it.

[vocal zodiac]

all clean

[rapid sandal]

My diff shows the error. My view of the game mbin shows it's correct.

[vocal zodiac]

i'm on the current build

are you on exp

[rapid sandal]

I should be on pub

[vocal zodiac]

theres no tangible difference between the two honestly
like its products and substances for the sake of being separate, it will still parse it fine from what ive seen

my game is running so i would assume it's not troubled

[rapid sandal]

They are defined in diff tables.

What is the size of your pcbanks 59B126E2.pak file - it contains the mbin

[vocal zodiac]

oh yeah but both are strings and afaik its just pulling items that are then handled differently on the front

er one sec

[rapid sandal]

Mine is 165,815 bytes

[vocal zodiac]

165 082

check your build

[rapid sandal]

bugger, i had turned exp off last week but it's back on now

[vocal zodiac]

my program just accesses the min/max, it doesnt change what products or substances are needed

as i thought lol

they fixed it in experimental

ill make sure to update when 3.68 rolls thru

it's actually a mistake they make regularly

the Decoration on the same entry has STELLAR2 (chromatic) in products

[rapid sandal]

I want to know why my steam switched back to exp

[vocal zodiac]

maybe you didnt switch it off? did you get a download after you switched it off

i know i sometimes trip on that lmao

[rapid sandal]

No, I distinctly remember switching off, waiting for rollback, then verifying files.

[vocal zodiac]

who knows then... steam is a cruel mistress

[rapid sandal]

So the NMS.exe is the 15th, what libMBIN are you using ?

[vocal zodiac]

if it pleases the court

[rapid sandal]

Thanks, wanted to know if libMBIN 3.68.0.1 worked w/ that older release. I'll update my cmkNMSReleases.txt.

[vocal zodiac]

oh yeah it works fine

ive been using it

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/2089

and she's out

[vast agate]

im curious as to if there are any good performance mods for NMS

ive already made all of the changes in TKGRAPHICSSETTINGS, but my game still isn't running great

[silent locust]

question.. When do I unlock all the glyths? I am on the Mission The Purge (Reset the Simulation) and I still haven't unlocked all the glyths

[vast agate]

glyphs are done on the main questline iirc - but it's quite a ways through it

there's a way to do them manually tho

https://youtu.be/BVE6ijyp8SM

[minor moat]

Ok I figured I may as well be absolutely sure and test it, it does seem to actually trim stack size down on mod removal for items rather than just big stacks (tested both the normally 9999 stack items and the normal limited ones).

[spice agate]

Anybody know of any mods that change the look of the submarine?

[mossy perch]

NO

but there is a mod that reskins mech if you curious

[spice agate]

What does it turn it into?

[quick cove]

So in a lush galaxy where is the best chance of me finding a Volcanic planet?

[vast agate]

Im gonna guess cadmium suns, but idrk for sure