nms-modding

[vale iron]

Oh great, my cockpit isn't 2000u away from my ship anymore!

[rancid vine]

Lmao

[waxen cedar]

so 2500 would be safe bet

[rancid vine]

Probably a bit low

[hearty wasp]

you mean the small warp or just boosting the engine

I forgot what most things are called in-game tbh

pulse engine is when you hold down shoulder buttons for a few seconds and then you go zoom zoom?

[rancid vine]

The the one you hold both numbers for on Xbox

Bumpers*

[waxen cedar]

I mean the big warp

[hearty wasp]

ah ok

[waxen cedar]

this one

[hearty wasp]

then it's 30000u

[waxen cedar]

ah thank you

[steel crypt]

<Property name="MiniWarpSpeed" value="30000" />

[vocal zodiac]

make em jumbolized

[hearty wasp]

I edited mine to be 100ku

[hearty wasp]

this

[vocal zodiac]

still weird clipping issues but idc, this looks awesome

finally mts are as big as they SHOULD be!

[hearty wasp]

a magnum, if you will

[vocal zodiac]

thats a great name for the mod actually

[vale iron]

FYI, the speed shown in space is artificially doubled for some reason

[vocal zodiac]

magnum multitools

[waxen cedar]

the speed lowers when rotating a planet

[hearty wasp]

"Oops, I dropped my Monster Multitool, for my Magdum Hand"

[waxen cedar]

what was the value it drops to when the ship is rotating the atmosphere of a planet?

[vale iron]

That does look cool

[vocal zodiac]

oops i dropped my MONSTER MAGAZINE for my, MAGNUM TOOL.

[hearty wasp]

nice

[vale iron]

That's some sort of brake value probably, which will eventually put you at 0

Like there's an overspeed brake to keep you from going too fast

But it doesn't drop you to safe speed, but all the way to 0

[steel crypt]

<Property name="SpeedReadoutMultiplier" value="1" /> <Property name="SpaceSpeedReadoutMultiplier" value="2" />
gameplay globals. set that 2 to 1 in mine so there isn't that big jump when entering/exiting atmo

[hearty wasp]

that says readout tho, would that mean it's just the text on the display

or does that actually affect the speed

[vale iron]

Yeah, it's just a display value

[steel crypt]

it is. there isn't actual speed increase. just number on display.

[hearty wasp]

ah ok

wait so in vanilla your speed readout in space is actually twice the actual speed

[vale iron]

I need to get all the locators on and fix collisions, but then I have this and the TIE Interceptor working

Oh, and fix the normal map on the falcon

[hearty wasp]

is that a purple trail?

[vale iron]

Yeah, stealth trail. I had multiples installed and that one is just showing

[hearty wasp]

ah

I remember the old one had like 12 trails

[vale iron]

20!

[hearty wasp]

lmao

[vale iron]

Yeah, that's why I haven't tried to do it yet

[hearty wasp]

I wish I can stretch 1 trail and be done with it

but they're particles technically

[vale iron]

I could maybe stretch the trail image out, but then it would affect all ships

[steel crypt]

exactly

[hearty wasp]

I'm not knowledgeable enough in particles to know what I need to do to stretch a particle tbh

probably something about a combo of texture and particle files

[vale iron]

The trails are just an image. I've done a lot of replacement of those

[hearty wasp]

oh ok

I feel like particles would be similar with what I've dealt with in After Effects if that's the case

[vale iron]

Ok, hopefully I can figure out these normal maps before going to sleep, then I can do locators tomorrow and get those 20 trails on 😛

[steel crypt]

Ummm that trail is part of the ship entity? or what? If so, each ship type could have it's own trail?

[hearty wasp]

the trail start point is a locator I think

and the locator name is specified in a table and hooked with a specific particle file I think?

[vale iron]

I do all my replacement at the material level for the trails, so not sure exactly how they are called

[vocal zodiac]

should i add a readme with my mod

[hearty wasp]

do whatever you like with it mate, it's your mod

[waxen cedar]

Okay so basically I updated infinicam with some small tweaks

[vale iron]

No one will read it

[vocal zodiac]

i mean it's just drag and drop pretty much but i mean, its just drag and drop

eh

[hearty wasp]

just write a readme that says "just drag and drop" inside

[hearty wasp]

nice

[steel crypt]

name your readme whateveryoudoneverreadthis.txt problem solved

[vale iron]

It's like dealing with students on zoom, you just have to accept they're not listening to you

[hearty wasp]

theForbiddenTome.txt

[steel crypt]

LOL. I'm on the parent homeschooling my daughter side. She pays attention but the teacher that she "meets" with is always eating something with the camera at profile....I'm beginning to think it is some sort of fetish.

I mean who puts a camera profile?

[vale iron]

I can't move my mask, in 2-hour classes, so I have constant dry mouth during the class.

We're doing parallel online/offline. Anyway, sorry, back to modding

I should probably do this on mod-textures but people are talking here: so I have the diffuse texture working by itself. When I add the normal map with a bogus entry or with an entry to the actual file, it makes the model white. That tells me it can't see the normal map. I tried the preset normal map BC5 setting, but that didn't work. Ideas before I start slogging through every single permutation?

linear/sRGB, BC1/3/5/7, some other setting

[steel crypt]

Yes...back to modding....like this mask, it's modded. 😉

[vale iron]

That's a good mask

[hearty wasp]

well I mean, my normals have RGB channels

no alpha

[vale iron]

Thanks, I'll try that first

[vocal zodiac]

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1873/

there we are

[vale iron]

Just so annoying to go through every variation

[hearty wasp]

but I really only did my textures in DXT5

[vale iron]

Magnum, nice

[hearty wasp]

I may try out BC7 in the future for normals but I knwo I'll always have DXT5 to fall back onto

[vale iron]

I've already been having problems with the damn diffuse on this thing, so I'm worried they'll only be compounded when I add in the normal

[hearty wasp]

what's wrong with the base

[vale iron]

The best I can figure out is that the map was just too big and taking a long time to load, so the model would be white on load and for a while after that, but later instances of the same model would have the texture

[steel crypt]

gotta start lil girls school. later dudes! 🙂

[vale iron]

When I cut the map size in half and dropped to BC1, it went away

later!

[hearty wasp]

good day mate

BC1 should work well with base textures as long as they don't use alpha/metelness matte

[steel crypt]

Oh, before I go, been meaning to say it's good to see you alive Winder 🤪

[hearty wasp]

yeah I was in a pretty stressful state in the past year

[vale iron]

There's a metal/roughness mask, but haven't touched that yet

[hearty wasp]

hopefully it's uphill from here

[vale iron]

Here's to uphill

and that's the last of my soju

[hearty wasp]

roughness mask should be affected since it's in the mask texture

[vale iron]

I haven't tried to add that in yet

[hearty wasp]

it's confusing for sure

[vale iron]

Just had diffuse and now adding normal

[hearty wasp]

you tried making the texture 2K yet?

also good to have consistent texture dimensions across base, masks and normal

[vale iron]

It was already 2k. Should I drop it more?

[hearty wasp]

nah 2K should be stable

[vale iron]

ok, the diffuse is 2k, too

Well, now it is

[hearty wasp]

NMS textures can be pretty confusing in its composition

[vale iron]

Ok, I'll go try out a different format and see if I can get them to work, sRGB, no alpha

[hearty wasp]

the wiki has a pretty decent writeup on it and I check it regularly
https://nmsmodding.fandom.com/wiki/NMS_Texture_Format

[hearty wasp]

try disabling metalness mask and roughness mask in material

so you have less to deal with

[vale iron]

Those are already removed entirely

[hearty wasp]

set em manually in the material first

ah ok

[vale iron]

Only base and normal to deal with

Base seems to be working now

[hearty wasp]

you mind putting up the current normal you have?

[vale iron]

yeah, no problem

[hearty wasp]

so I can see if the sides are put right lol

[vale iron]

I got the channels switched like you said, I think

[hearty wasp]

yeah it looks right

the textures line up right I assume

like the detail on top left

[vale iron]

should do, think it's just some sort of formatting issue like the base was

[vocal zodiac]

i forget who asked abt it but i'm trying to fix that pulsing hazard thing in freighters and stuff rn

[vale iron]

wow,good luck with that one

[vocal zodiac]

basically i think like... making it a state machine right, it starts at the overlay handling for hazard weather
there's a brief pulse, about 4 seconds long, that indicates "oh this environment is x weather, be careful!" but when you're on a space station or freighter, the state isn't switched off

the easiest fix is just to set the strength of that pulse to 0

because it flares right, like a sine wave

so if the bounds of the sine wave are 0 then there will be no flare

[vale iron]

I was thinking of it as a state change. Your way sounds manageable

[vocal zodiac]

ok yeah i found it

  <Property name="HazardWarningPulseStrength" value="1" />```

these two props are responsible for that broken pulse effect

think if i set the pulse strength to -1 that'll do it

tested with 0 and it still gives it but much, much weaker

like. yes, it doesn't fix the bug
but it does stop it from bothering folks

really i think its something to do with landing on a planet and having that state machine get set to x or y

like, as soon as you exit a spacecraft the game runs a quick check like "where's this motherfucker" and checks the weather + sets the haz prot type, but then does not do that ever again until you re-land on another planet

as space objects do not count as planets, they typically don't update the hazprot type except for freighter derelicts

so really it's just like "hey it's whatever weather, be careful!" but completely unnecessarily

[hearty wasp]

sounds like another case of "HG needs to fix their game"

[vocal zodiac]

had a brief thought while i was prepping lunch

"if it's a sine function, -1 would just flip the poles, right?"

naaaah couldnt be

test it, i was right

i fixed it too hard

[hearty wasp]

how

[vocal zodiac]

i set the puse time to 9999 and now it doesn't actually apply ever

[vale iron]

Yay, after screwing up my files, back to the old white model I love so much 😦

[hearty wasp]

how about I try to re-save your textures and you see if they work at least

[hearty wasp]

they're just waiting

patiently

for 9999 seconds

[vale iron]

If you want to, I'd be happy to try it!

[hearty wasp]

huh

I can't open the base texture in windows picture viewer

[vale iron]

That's because it's cursed

[hearty wasp]

or the second normal

actually I can't open the first one either

anyway

[vale iron]

Ok, so there's definitely something wrong

[hearty wasp]

just gimme another minute

gonna look at the compression

[vale iron]

These were saved as BC7 no alpha, srgb

I think

[hearty wasp]

huh yeah

it is

you got the base textures too?

[vale iron]

Oh, 3 doesn't have a normal

[hearty wasp]

understandble

[vale iron]

Those should be BC1

[vocal zodiac]

managed to get a serious reduction in the viewport fx

[hearty wasp]

huh, mine had one

[vocal zodiac]

it does still appear but it seems that setting everything to 0 has like, majorly reduced that irritating fade effect

[hearty wasp]

this part right

anyway

[vale iron]

Not sure, the different exports had different texture naming conventions

That normal looks right though

[hearty wasp]

cos looking at the texture I'm pretty you're using the same source model as I was lol

[vale iron]

I tried to 🙂

[hearty wasp]

just different way of doing the textures lol

[vale iron]

Maybe you renamed them and I didn't notice how you were doing it

[vocal zodiac]

thoughts btw?

[vale iron]

One problem I've had is that the exports lose the textures a lot of times. I'm learning how to use your old stuff to deal with that

[vale iron]

Sorry, I don't know what I'm comparing to

[hearty wasp]

I just used photoshop, frankly

[vocal zodiac]

the screenie i posted above; it's the most extreme that weird bugged effect gets with the haz border overlay

[hearty wasp]

not the easiest for otherwise programmers lol

[vocal zodiac]

did some major tweaking in settings and it should be like, super ok now

[vale iron]

I don't even notice it, so that must be good 🙂

[vocal zodiac]

excellent

[hearty wasp]

yeah looks non existent lol

didn't even know what I was supposed to look for for a sec there

[vocal zodiac]

fantastic

that's a very good sign, i reckon i can probably get away with that

[vale iron]

replaced textures, repaked, loading up now

Still white 😦

[hearty wasp]

huh

then it likely isn't a problem with the compression

[vale iron]

Material settings somehow?

[hearty wasp]

so the part that is fine is the part that has no normal, right?

[vale iron]

exactly

And if I completely remove the normal from the material, it is all darker

hahaha, getting in my ship just killed me...guess that's a bug to work out

[hearty wasp]

you did material once before this ship tho right

[hearty wasp]

lolwut

[vale iron]

Yeah, messed with material a tiny bit before, looked at your old stuff and vanilla to compare for this iteration

[hearty wasp]

can I take a look at it too

[vale iron]

For sure

[hearty wasp]

btw it's all white but the shading looks fine?

[hearty wasp]

like it's not like physics defying reflections

[vale iron]

From memory the shading seems right, but let me load up and see

[hearty wasp]

mmm, all seems to be in order

[vale iron]

Yeah, shading is good

[hearty wasp]

ok

[vale iron]

Let's see if I get killed again 🙂

[hearty wasp]

try turning normal map texture isSRGB to false

[vale iron]

It drained my shields completely, but didn't kill me. Definitely something to look at later

Ok, trying that

[hearty wasp]

if that fails, turn UseMipMaps for both textures to true again

despite them not having mipmaps lol

[vale iron]

Ok, just turned those to False recently

[hearty wasp]

yeah understandable

[vale iron]

Thanks for all the help, btw

[hearty wasp]

np

more learning for me too lol

[vale iron]

No luck

Is "no normals" a proper solution? 😉

[hearty wasp]

I mean yeah lol

at this point I'd think it could be a model issue

this your first time doing textures?

[vale iron]

First time in any detail, yeah. I've done lots of changing the "map" but that's really basic

[hearty wasp]

cool

weird tho still

[vale iron]

I've been learning a ton the past day

yeah

[hearty wasp]

since metalness / glossness wouldn't make everything white lol

[vale iron]

Yeah, masks was going to be next on my list

As is, it doesn't look right, too dark and dull

[hearty wasp]

at this point it may be faster to just redo it

but we still wouldn't know what went wrong and would probably do it wrong again

[vale iron]

And I don't know how to redo it

[hearty wasp]

you still have the blend?

[vale iron]

let me go back to your old material and see

Yeah

[hearty wasp]

tell you what I can whip up my old blend, scale it to yours and export and see if it works

[vale iron]

I don't want you to spend much more time on it. Plus that wouldn't tell us what exactly was wrong

I've already taken up too much of your time on a pretty simple thing

[hearty wasp]

I mean at least you'll have a comparison lol

[vale iron]

I guess that's true, totally up to you

[hearty wasp]

also you only has 3 mesh nodes for the ship?

[vale iron]

not sure on this one, let me look

8

All on 3 textures

And some empty meshes I could probably clean up

[waxen cedar]

a question about texture editing

does it work just like any other mod

I just make a pak of the file and that's it?

or are some extra steps required

[vale iron]

What kind of edit do you want to do?

[waxen cedar]

just changing one texture to another

the DDS file

[vale iron]

Oh, yeah, it's simple

You can look at my trails mod LUAs if it helps

gship trails or gjetpack

[waxen cedar]

so after I've changed the warp textures under TEXTURES\EFFECTS\WARP do I pak that entile file tree?

or just the WARP one

[vale iron]

Are you changing the DDS? That's a little different but still not too difficult. I usually change the pointer to the DDS to point to a different DDS, a vanilla one or one that I include in the PAK

Directly changing the target DDS can change other effects that reference the same thing

[waxen cedar]

Oh yea that's true but just to make sure

if I just edit the DDS itself do I then pak the entire file tree down to the texture folder

[vale iron]

You would just include the same file name in the same path, yeah

[waxen cedar]

ah okay

the way you do it is a lot nicer but I'm just experimenting with one thing

[vale iron]

Yeah, I understand.Good to get a quick idea if something works

[hearty wasp]

I can't make the texture appear in my blender viewport

I think I don't know how to apply texture into the material

[vale iron]

The base or normal?

[waxen cedar]

do you remember where all the warp related textures are included in the globals?

[hearty wasp]

the base

[vale iron]

I did an import that somehow seems to have that stuff stored, even without the files it points at, so I can't say for sure

[vale iron]

They'd probably be in UI files, probably not a global

[hearty wasp]

uhh fuck it

I'll just export it

I know the UV's wrapped anyway

[vale iron]

@waxen cedar Let me look what Lo2k edits

[hearty wasp]

is it a good scale

or what should I scale it with

[vale iron]

I don't know, it looks good, but I don't have a clue what I'm doing

@waxen cedar Look at the list of files edited here https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1487

[hearty wasp]

do you guys still scale the ship within the scene

[vale iron]

I try not to

[hearty wasp]

yeah but I'd need to have something to scale to in blender that way lol

you still have your falcon blend?

can I borrow it real quick for scale

[vale iron]

The import I used is at like 6% size, it was crazy. Sure, one second

[waxen cedar]

thanks for the help, I'll be off to experiment with stuff now

[vale iron]

Oh jeez, it's big. I'll put it on google drive

[hearty wasp]

yeah they usually are

[vale iron]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DUOEi0_LsXOoq-oEBncxD-bH3qC2dPBX/view?usp=sharing

[hearty wasp]

try this. I left the materials untouched so you'll have to just paste the texture paths back in but I put the OG textures in too https://drive.google.com/file/d/16jIVWcRbIn0NUl2HCYpmlGY6ZT67f7yI/view?usp=sharing

I'm pretty sure my UV was flipped upside down compared to yours so if you try to whip up your own textures keep that in mind and just use mine as references

haven't tested if it work in game with those textures but I assume they will

The Humongous are back

now I need em to spit

[vale iron]

Thanks, I have it downloaded and will try first thing in the morning. 130 here, so need to get to sleep. Thanks for your help

[hearty wasp]

np mate

long as the result is not shit

[fallow meadow]

@vale iron Hmmm, looking at your version of the Falcon, it would be about 3400m long. It is scaled down to 1.368% though, to be somewhat close to the correct size, although still too big. Also oriented differently in comparison to the one @hearty wasp provided, which at least uses scale 1, although still somewhat too big, according to the wiki, size should be LxWxH > 34.37x25.61x8.27 (meters).

Not too familiar with modding models into NMS, but when it comes to modelling in general, you'd usually stick to a scale 1.0 while re-sizing meshes if need be (without affecting scale).

[hearty wasp]

what

I just scale the entire object and apply scale

[fallow meadow]

Yeah, yours looks fine for that matter

[hearty wasp]

tbh NMSDK rotated gumsk's version that way

it's tilted upwards by default and would look flat to the ground when it's exported

just a designed mistake

but yeah scaling should be applied to have em work better in game

[fallow meadow]

Not necessarily, as I have a similar issue with using Blender together with Unity ;-)

[hearty wasp]

lol ok

[fallow meadow]

Just a diff view on what the up axis should be. Neither is right or wrong, just diff

[hearty wasp]

ahh, touche

[fallow meadow]

But Gumsk uses scale 0.01368 or something like that on all axis, which basically means scale has not been re-applied to keep dimensions while setting scale back to default 1.0

I assume he scaled down while in object mode, not applying after ...

[hearty wasp]

yeah prolly

mmm

if they translated into the scene

[fallow meadow]

But 46m long while it should be 34m or about, so maybe want to scale down a tad bit more?

[hearty wasp]

would that affect the normals calculation

oh we're just scaling it to fit on a landing pad

we threw accuracy out of the window when we put a sailboat in there

[fallow meadow]

No, it should not affect normals or vertices, or UVs or whatever, if done correctly

Ah yes, Landing pad ... I should have thought of that ... I now understand why realism would not work.

[hearty wasp]

yeah, sadly

y'know it'd prolly work as a frigate

[vale iron]

I did do apply all transformations on the top level. Is there something else I need to do? The model did start out gigantic

[hearty wasp]

but you can't drive em so

you gotta apply em for the children afterwards

or select hierachy and apply

I think that works?

[fallow meadow]

Have the ships scale similar to how pets appear to scale when visiting the Nexus? In space all is good, enter atmosphere, or freighter, scale down to fit

[vale iron]

Ok I'll try that in the morning. For some reason I assumed all meant all :p

[hearty wasp]

I wish we're smart enough for that kinda stuff

also consider flying third person camera

[fallow meadow]

Apply scale? 3dView > Menu > Object > Apply > Scale (or All Transforms)

[vale iron]

Pets have a max size setting for off planet. Don't think that's the same

That's what I did

Oh maybe not in that 3dview menu

[hearty wasp]

apply all would apply the rotations too tho

[fallow meadow]

I knew I should not have mentioned Gumsk at this time of night ... Go back to bed, talk in the morning ... lol

[hearty wasp]

lol yeah

[vale iron]

Haha insomnia and not a work night so I'm not taking a sleeping pill

[hearty wasp]

I take melatonin exclusively during days off

[fallow meadow]

Either way, I prefer to only apply what I actually changed, because yeah, All Transforms might mess up if you changed other things too

[hearty wasp]

man I can't find what makes fiends spit

at this point I think they could be hardcoded

[fallow meadow]

The monstrosities?

[hearty wasp]

yeah the uh

[vale iron]

I can't remember seeing anything about that

[hearty wasp]

biological horror

nothing in the entities other than the animations

[fallow meadow]

Where is that model at anywya? I did a quick search the other day, but gave up soon.

[hearty wasp]

MODELS\PLANETS\CREATURES\SPIDERRIG

[fallow meadow]

Ah, that explains ... why spider?

[vale iron]

Fiend is their ID

[hearty wasp]

their internal name is fiend so you might've not found it thru name searching lol

[fallow meadow]

NM, don't answer that

[hearty wasp]

they're just spiders

with 2 pairs of legs fewer

[vale iron]

Quadrupedal spiders

[fallow meadow]

Came across something else to add as freighter crew, but wanted to give those a try too

[hearty wasp]

I wonder

[vale iron]

Oh that's a scary idea

[hearty wasp]

if you can put in a creature scene

I mean technically as long as it is a scene it could work right?

just yknow no anims

[fallow meadow]

Companions work, although not quite as expected. Of course dialogue for crew is missing, but adding my pet seed as crew also makes the freighter go poof after interaction ... lol

[hearty wasp]

lmao

[vale iron]

Soundsc like how entering my tie interceptor killed me

[fallow meadow]

Yeah, floating in space, although no damage done to player. I guess it still thinks I am actually 'inside'

[hearty wasp]

I still don't get how that's possible

unless it's got no health to begin with

so a problem with entity

or how the entity is attached

[vale iron]

No clue, but not too worried about it yet

[hearty wasp]

fair

[vale iron]

It's just funny for now. Later it will become infuriating when I can't fix it

I think your idea is on the right track though. The times it didn't kill me, everything was damaged

[hearty wasp]

I mean impact can damage your ship too right

that could be why too

[fallow meadow]

I only just got back into NMS again, fun for sure. Silly me however figured it might be a good idea to dive into the shader stuff ... I am going to regret that soon enough, I am sure.

[hearty wasp]

that'd be a colls thing

shaders are moddable?

thought they're dead since Vulkan

[fallow meadow]

I am still at the 'figuring' part ... no results yet ...

[vale iron]

I'm scared just listening to this shader talk

[hearty wasp]

it's a nightmare

[fallow meadow]

I personally actually doubt shader modding is dead, but not easy for sure

[hearty wasp]

it's as if tens of shader mods suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced

but yeah you'd still have limited control

some of em are controlled with mbins

[fallow meadow]

I am not too familiar with GLSL either, as I have thusfar only ever messed with HLSL shaders (Unity)

I do however believe there must be ways to decompile those vulkan shaders using the tools available. I hope ot just have to get used to GLSL

[vale iron]

Ooh, a flyable lightsaber, because why not

[hearty wasp]

when you find out how really do tell us

I think we've been waiting for a way to decomp Vulkan shaders since the beginning lol

[fallow meadow]

Of course I will, but I may as well give up, because as I said, I am sure it was a bad idea to begin with

[vale iron]

Bad ideas are the best ones

[hearty wasp]

I remember when Gaticus would make crazy warp visuals

like look at these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDtJOHCfIyI&list=PLRgXSkV87tSgSf22KQkw_sr1OhOSguJ3a&index=2

[vale iron]

That makes me think of old assembler demos

[fallow meadow]

I had been hoping for some time that someone actually would do the work/effort. So far all I have seen is a mod that is basically nothing else but the already available Vulkan tools

Shaders are fun for sure.

But even if readable, still complicated to make

I can see why hardly anyone is willing to even give it a try

[hearty wasp]

man, we really lost a lot of OGs, now that I'm looking back at the launch times

[hearty wasp]

it's mainly just of our league lol

[fallow meadow]

That video reminds me a bit of a shader I made. Although a lot easier to create when you don;t have to deal with someone else's sourse, obfuscation. compilation and whatever else

[vale iron]

And typos, like MAINDORR

[hearty wasp]

kek

[fallow meadow]

Amazing to not fully break the game

I guess they are consistent in making typos?

[hearty wasp]

some times

[waxen cedar]

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1673?tab=description

should work now

fun stuffs

[hearty wasp]

it's not that often but you'll see em when you dig enough files lol

[vale iron]

It's like hackers looking at someone else's code and going"oh they did it that way? Whatever, I'll work with that"

[hearty wasp]

think I've seen just a few across the scene files

[fallow meadow]

Ah cool, mods to teleport around the planet now?

[hearty wasp]

fuck yes

I love using it for photomode

since my base used to be absolutely huge

just be be able to put down 1k piece of decor

also I just found the file for setting what NPCs can hold in their hands!

[vale iron]

I had to change my cam mod so I could get proper orbital shots of my pets

[fallow meadow]

Ah yes and cool pics indeed

Thats the way to go about getting a fix

I got the opposite ... make some ocol teleportation builds, like the animation thing, or teleporting around planets, they break stuff instead

[vale iron]

I'm surprised we haven't seen people griefing the Nexus with giant pets. I reported the combo for it but obviously haven't heard anything.

[waxen cedar]

It's a lot nicer now since they've added the velocity smooth time to photo mode

[fallow meadow]

I have heard some complaints, although indeed not many

[hearty wasp]

eh I used my xbox controller for speed anyway

[waxen cedar]

need to try and get that over to build cam as well

[vale iron]

My cross planet teleporter works, but yours were a lot more complicated

Yeah velocity smoothing needs to exist everywhere

[hearty wasp]

griefers in this game are absolute trash

[fallow meadow]

Can teleport to other planets too, as long as within system ;-)

[hearty wasp]

can't even use a debug global mod

[hearty wasp]

wow that's powerful

[fallow meadow]

I bet there is a limit to the distance though, not sure what value type is used.

[vale iron]

I think anywhere in system is within the limit

At least for my build radius it seems to be

[waxen cedar]

Same here

I just set the limit to some extremely large number

[fallow meadow]

Yes, planet wide is fine, about 65000 km I think it was, but you can imagine how large this value gets when you take two extreme end planets

[waxen cedar]

with my mod you should be able to extend your base across all of the planets within the system

Theoretically

I recall someone testing it last year and having some issues

[vale iron]

The building doesn't work across planets in my experience. But it does recognize you as inside the build radius if you try to claim another base on another planet

[fallow meadow]

So basically the Restrictions setting, while keeping your current base selected?

Although the restrictions setting actually doesn't use a base at all

Those objects have their own location in the save

[vale iron]

The setting for whether you are in range of another base is based on the build radius, which is highly abuseable

[fallow meadow]

Yes, if you only have a single base inside a system, as to not get confused, you can set it to pretty much unlimited I guess?

Lets not talk abuse though ... because ... ahum

[vale iron]

Yeah, but you can only use the build menu on the home planet

With the exception of a really long build camera

[fallow meadow]

Well, I believe I am actually able to own a system ...

[vale iron]

It only blocks yourself from building in that range though. Other people with vanilla settings can build within 300u

Sorry, I might be explaining things you already know, it's late

[fallow meadow]

I think I'd best change subject .... lol

Don't want to give anyone silly ideas

[vale iron]

Good thinking

[hearty wasp]

eh I wouldn't worry to much about it

[vale iron]

Though as winder said, they can't even use debug

[hearty wasp]

a few days back I heard some script kiddy tried to grief with some mods

best they could do was a jetpack mod

[fallow meadow]

Really? Well ... I sure do worry about some of my ideas

[waxen cedar]

but if someone has a base there the game might use those range settings and assume the other base owns that entire system

[hearty wasp]

can't even boost their lasers lmfao

[vale iron]

Sigh, such basic stuff

[hearty wasp]

griefers in this game are really fucking dumb

anyway

[waxen cedar]

haha time to shoot everyone

[waxen cedar]

I had some guy flying over me for about 15 mins and shooting with his ship, not realizing I had player damage off

[vale iron]

Yeah I hear that one a lot

Like basic spawn camping thinking

[hearty wasp]

reminds me when terrain manip first came out

MSSP or Fisher was worried that people would set the radius to some big number and crater everything

yeah, no one cared to do that

[fallow meadow]

or maybe someone did and that's why terrain grows back?

lol

[hearty wasp]

could be lol

[waxen cedar]

you sure about that?

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1674

[jade thistle]

are mods only for offline mode?

[waxen cedar]

The issue here is that game uses the local globals when syncing the edits so basically you see everyones edits as big and they see yours small unless you both have the mod

[hearty wasp]

ooohh nice

[vale iron]

No

[vale iron]

Hehe

[waxen cedar]

but yes, I managed to delete entire terrain on a planet

there are some issues with that tho like the distant lods still showing up as unedited terrain until you get close

[hearty wasp]

absolutely beautiful

yeah LOD terrain is still just generated

oh lord I love the pics so much

[waxen cedar]

that right there was an actual edit that synced up to space

so yea

kinda fancy

[hearty wasp]

raises an interesting question tho

like why is LOD generated but when you're in space you can see the terrain edits

[waxen cedar]

the space layer of planet is based on a primitive heightmap right?

[hearty wasp]

huh I supposed so?

I'm not actually familiar with how LOD is generated

but man is it lovely

[waxen cedar]

so maybe since the game has the edits stored it knows that hey, that spot right there is super low

like

it shows water on spots that don't even have water as long as the terrain there is below some arbitrary limit

[fallow meadow]

LOD is what it says, low level of detail. I assume terrain has detail when it comes to the texture, but if you take away vertices there is a hole, which has no texture. A low LOD hole is still a hole ?

[waxen cedar]

mm holes

[hearty wasp]

BONK

it's just interesting how the game took terrain edit into account instead of just relying on proc gen data

[fallow meadow]

Sure is interesting to see how far 'realism' is taken for that matter

[waxen cedar]

we need more detailed lods from space pls

[hearty wasp]

aye

[waxen cedar]

at least shorelines and some basic height variation

tbh the way they handle clouds fading in on approach is not that visually pleasing

[hearty wasp]

it's sorta used to mask the LOD fade tbh

but I mean when there are 3 more LOD fades it kinda loses its effectiveness

[waxen cedar]

a question

are the values in the MBIN files constants?

[hearty wasp]

wym

[waxen cedar]

can they be changed on the fly in game

[hearty wasp]

I think so

if you have cheat engine

but then that wouldn't be much of a variable

not thru MBINs, that's for sure

[glass lake]

I just Want Megaliths Back 😦

[bleak ferry]

Any known good ship hover mods?

[waxen cedar]

there was one I think

don't remember the name

but it was updated for the latest version at least

[waxen cedar]

here I am

[hearty wasp]

doing everything you can?

[waxen cedar]

just vibing

[robust spruce]

Getting there

[waxen cedar]

custom freighter model

hmm

[hearty wasp]

got the humongous sitting down now

anyway I wanted to make em spit but I couldn't

just gonna keep em as is, disappointingly

melee only big boys aren't gonna be much of a threat

tbh I think being able to ride a hobo is good enough so Imma just leave this mod and work on something else tmr

[manic bane]

Anyone recommend a mod for the minotaur for better control? This thing is so useless because of how poorly it is controlled.

[marsh eagle]

Ask doctor @vale iron

[marsh eagle]

Why ?

[pastel swift]

flat planets?

[vale iron]

Check GMech. I have a few different versions you can choose from

[gusty zenith]

welp, just found a nice way to save time on my stasis farm, optical drill +50% mining bonus stacks multiplicatively so 12x plus adjacency bonus results in like 400x mining bonus

that mining bonus works on plants, pirate loot, and substances u get from expeditions

[gusty zenith]

anyone know what these two stats do?

i assume speed affects expedition time, but fuel capacity . . .?

[robust spruce]

Independence day freighter

[manic bane]

TY Gumsk I will check that out.

[waxen cedar]

The real question is, why not

[manic bane]

@vale iron Sorry to bother you not familiar with NMS modding. Your path for manual install of your mod is PCBanks\Mods. I do not have a Mods folder but it is safe to just create one correct? Trying not to break my save file good ways in.

[waxen cedar]

Imagine if the galactic map would show the locations of people on your NMS friend list

that would be so convenient

[manic bane]

Sorry to bother you. Read that file I am deleting and it contained my answer......first time I have see that......Modding is not usually this simple. TY so much for the help guys.

[robust spruce]

modding is surprisingly easier than you would think in No Man's Sky thanks to a lot of folks here who make it so

[waxen cedar]

what function does the SCAN even do in galactic map?

[limpid summit]

With this mod, how do you actually make the items? https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1491

Do you get given the recipes somewhere?

[lime mesa]

Hi
Is there a mode to zoom out the camera?

[storm bronze]

@lime mesa look up Gcam on nexus its got stuff like that

[hearty wasp]

fuel is range I think

[gusty zenith]

@hearty wasp i'm still not sure how that influences expeditions that i put that frigate on

[hearty wasp]

like how far the frigates can go

sooo more options I guess?

[gusty zenith]

does that mean i would need a ship w high fuel capacity in order to submit a long expedition like 28hrs+? i've never had that happen before, and this is the only frigate i have with a sizeable fuel capacity, most have zero

[hearty wasp]

uhh maybe?

I have only played with that like, 2 years ago

memory can be failing me

[vocal zodiac]

apparently someone's having an issue with my mod on game load

black screen

which is strange because i only changed one file

[hushed bronze]

Thats racist

[steel crypt]

Yeah I can see that.

Black face, “black screen”...we know the code dude.

🖤

[sinful anvil]

😐

Can we maybe not bring this kind of thing up in the modding channel? How about that

[vocal zodiac]

apparently according to the game files there's like... a 5% chance that a yellow system will be uninhabited?

[marsh eagle]

Does that allow you to teleport from inside the spacestation to the outside (roof) or what ? That would be cool for a space walk.

[vale iron]

No, 0% chance for yellow

Unless something changed in 3.2

[lime mesa]

you can change in between first and third person and you can use camera mode but other then that no

[hearty wasp]

nah it should be an easy tweak with the camera globals

[vale moat]

@vale iron Hi, i was checking back on the HUD mod we briefly spoke about, here: #nms-modding message

Do you think you may help with this?

[waxen cedar]

Infinicam on nexusmods

[waxen cedar]

I centered the camera but it made the laser shooting look weird in 3rd person

[hearty wasp]

sad

[waxen cedar]

they've designed it to be looked at from an angle

[hearty wasp]

I think Gumsk has a mod that change to center cam as well

but I haven't used it

[waxen cedar]

Yea gumsk has every convenient thing you could imagine

👌

[hearty wasp]

lmao

jack of all trades kinda person huh

[waxen cedar]

hmm

MaxDownloadableBases in multiplayerglobals

What do you think it means. Max bases the game can download and store in memory at a time or max bases it can sync during a session?

the default is 100 but I've seen over 200 bases in one location before

I assume it means the bases it downloads and leaves in teleporter list

[hearty wasp]

it's how many the game is allowed to download to your computer for a system I think

[waxen cedar]

ah

So basically after it downloads them they should sync every time I go to the game

trying to figure out a way to just keep all the hub bases visible. It's sad that there are hundreds of bases I can't see

[vocal zodiac]

i'd think it's just the amount allowed in cache

[waxen cedar]

hmm.... then where do they define how the game tries to load in other bases?

[waxen cedar]

doesn't it decrease performance the more bases it caches

[vocal zodiac]

probably inflates the disk space your save takes up but idk. just thinkin about it

[hearty wasp]

all bases are saved in your save

so it can blow up your save file fast

[waxen cedar]

oh

BaseDownloadTimeout" value="40" />

I assume if I increase it then the game will keep downloading the bases for longer

[hearty wasp]

or it could mean the time between downloading a batch of bases lol

but yeah it's probably related to the timing on how bases are downloaded

[waxen cedar]

hmm, when enabling BaseAdmin the game won't let me past load screen

[hearty wasp]

what that

[waxen cedar]

<Property name="BaseAdmin" value="False" />

in gcdebugoptions.global

this is definitely to allow admin access to any base

it has to be

[hearty wasp]

ah ok lol

never tried it myself

[waxen cedar]

<Property name="BasePayloadMultiplier" value="3" />

any ideas on this

[hearty wasp]

imagine if anyone can access this

can you think of how much grieving can be done

[waxen cedar]

too much

but its not like the game loads your own bases from the server for you so every time the owner would log in the changes would revert

I think

[hearty wasp]

true true

[waxen cedar]

<Property name="ForceSmallLobby" value="False" />

hmm

so either this caps the player amount in lobby or forces the game to create a lobby around you

[hearty wasp]

wait until you see MultiplePlayerFreightersInASystem

[waxen cedar]

yeah I enabled that long ago

[hearty wasp]

nice

it's still amazing how little people know about it

[waxen cedar]

and why HG has not enabled it

[hearty wasp]

you ever tried it in person?

[waxen cedar]

it doesn't even cause any performance issues for console player that played with me

[hearty wasp]

you can shove 2 freighters into eachother

very NSFW dude

[waxen cedar]

well that but HG can easily prevent that from happening

[hearty wasp]

then you gotta ask why HG hasn't went ahead and fixed it lol

which is what I've been asking as well

[waxen cedar]

also freighters don't sync at all between ambient players

[marsh eagle]

The existence of that value alone proves there is some thought behind not enabling it, maybe glitchy stuff

[hearty wasp]

yeah, freighter being inside each other probably is one of em

[hushed bronze]

What we really need for the bases is for the main file to save only an id reference to another file, where each base gets its own file. Sure it gets messy to look through a folder of them but systematically it should work much more cleanly, and would also make base file-swapping a real option for the players

[marsh eagle]

Thats a great idea. As a workaround one could write a custom filesystem driver that does such a json differentiation virtual file system layer

Or I could write a tool for import and export of bases filebased

[limpid summit]

Something's making geodes make Rare Metal Elements, how might I find which mod is probably doing this?

[hushed bronze]

@marsh eagle I was kinda suggesting devs do that, but if you can do it, I wouldn't mind that at all 🙂

Also I have more detail in mind for that than I typed out there, but didnt elaborate because I assumed only devs could do it anyway. If you wanna make a project out of this idea, I could tell you more of my thoughts on the subject if you want

[vale iron]

I'll take a look today

[vale moat]

Ty! 🙂

[hushed bronze]

@vale moat My existing mod's filter-removal is still working. The panel changes don't thou. They are separate mods so the clutter-cleaner component can be used without issue 🙂

[vale iron]

@vale moat Not having much luck. Moving it very far right gets cut off as the left panel doesn't go that far, and can't seem to get the left panel stretched out to reach the middle. Next step is to try to move it to the middle panel, but I doubt the data is exposed to that file.

[hushed bronze]

@vale iron Theres an object higher in the file before the panel parts themselves that dictates the clipping zone. Leave the moved panel in a place where it's cut off, then change dimensions of something above it in the hierachy until you find the one that changes the cutoff area

It's Usually unnamed iirc like ID = "" (but its not the only kind of thing that can end up with a blank id name)

[vale iron]

I tried that, but may have missed it

Yeah, that's the one I changed

I did both the sub panel and that root level panel

[hushed bronze]

In any case, my old panel mod that moved the environment data to the center - it had to fix that exact same problem

[vale iron]

And inserting the dataview panel in the middle doesn't work, as the scanner data isn't exposed to it

[hushed bronze]

Also, X and Y are backward from the usual expectation, so you may have hit the correct thing and extended vertically by mistake

[vale iron]

What was your old mod called? I'll unpack it and do a compare and see what I'm missing

Oh, they're named width and height now

are those backward, too?

[hushed bronze]

No I mean the positioning overrides

[vale iron]

Ahh, gotcha

[hushed bronze]

not the dimensions

I remember they're a little screwy based on GPU render logic, i forget the exact nature, but be sure to check that it hasn't moved the opposite direction or something when you make changes

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1093

The old files has them. They may still work but iirc I tested them a while back and they dont run

Dont forget to match the compiler version to extract them ofc

[hushed bronze]

@vale iron There is often more than one border-setting object nested. It can be a nuisance

[bleak ferry]

Ohh that is very nice mod. I'll install it tomorrow

[hushed bronze]

Visor graphics is severely out of date, but the filter eraser part is still working @bleak ferry

The custom panels part has been broken for at least six months

[bleak ferry]

[hushed bronze]

@bleak ferry Gumsk here is a sharp modder though, he will probably figure out how to do stuff I did and post similar mods at some point 🙂

[bleak ferry]

If he does, then you and Gumsk is Gods :P

I feel like NMS needs to work on small things to make vision/inventory experience better

Other than that, I think it's ok enough

[lunar dew]

Do most mods still work/are updated for companions?

[hushed bronze]

It all depends

[lunar dew]

Ive never modded nms after NEXT, and im curious on how multiplayer works when you have mods

[hushed bronze]

some mods were made or updated for companions, others are ancient and forgotten. Certain kinds of mods are vastly more likely to survive updates based on which files they happen to modify

Oh multiplayer doesnt give two shits which mods you use

The only real issue is mods that change planet types or ground elevations - they can cause trouble with nexus missions sending you to planets that don't have what you need

[lunar dew]

Ah alright

Im thinking of just getting that better/darker space mod

I dont think it would create much issues

[hushed bronze]

The ancient one that's been dead for years but keeps getting upvoted anyway or the one made by leop2?

leop2 and jasondude have working ones

The most upvoted one has been dead since 2016 and I have no idea why people keep voting it

[lunar dew]

Im not sure i have to check, i just saw a vid about a dark space mod with less asteroids and no pulse drive effects and the vid was made on december 2020 so i assume its not the dead ones

[hushed bronze]

that sounds like a combo of more than one mod but I saw a video in 2020 adverting the dead one and an article as well lol

[lunar dew]

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1722

[hushed bronze]

Ah Neptune. Yea that one should work fine

All you gotta do to find out though, is try it 🙂

[lunar dew]

Before i do download anything though, if i mess something up i could corrupt my saves right?

Ive done way too much i dont want to take too much of a risk

[hushed bronze]

I haven't heard of anyone posting save corrupters. If there are any, clean space is not one of them

Worst you are likely to encounter is being parked in space when you load or something. In that case, uninstall the mod, park/save in your private freighter, then re-install it @lunar dew

Thats the quick fix for any mod that causes you to be parked in an odd deadly place

[lunar dew]

alright thanks!

[hushed bronze]

This works because certain mods may shift the position of stations or planets, but none of them change the saved location of your personal freighter, which makes it like a safe space for loading up that kind of mod

[lunar dew]

Yeah

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1471

this ones older but i think it would work

[hushed bronze]

@lunar dew In a week or two check back on mine, "Expanse". Its currently broken but I aim to update soon

[lunar dew]

Oh you make mods? Thats great

Your mod from the screenshots look really good, nice work

pure black edition is my fav

Ima make a backup of no mans sky incase lol

[lunar dew]

man i love this. I downloaded both neptunes and lo2ks dark space mods, but i deleted neptunes dark space.paks to avoid incompatibility since i find neptunes dark space too bright

lo2ks is pretty much pure black

[hushed bronze]

ah lo2k is the one I meant when I said leop2 earlier

[steel crypt]

leop2 lol

I'm gonna start calling him that

[lunar dew]

lol

i liked lo2ks space more but it lacked the invisible pulse drive stuff and asteroid spacing so i just used both and deleted neptunes space. Now i need a larger LOD mod and probably get reshade

[hushed bronze]

@lunar dew "Clean space" was originally its own set of mods separate from the one Neptune made. You could use that with lo2k's space mod

[hearty wasp]

goatfungus's save editor kinda did that back in the day, you can export just a base to a file and then import it again, it was great tbh. would be nice for HG to do something similar

[hushed bronze]

I would hope that if devs did it, it would be functionally incorporated into the game

Like a blueprinting system

[hearty wasp]

yeah man that'd be a dream

would be a good basis for generated villages as well

just a couple random bases ploped together in close proximity

[hushed bronze]

TBH their generated settlements should just have been more ambitious, and assembled from a seed mechanism like derelicts

All systems the game already has in use, just underutilized

[hearty wasp]

yeah certainly

tho the way they generate buildings are still the simple "going down a tree" type thing

so they'd just need to manually shove more parts in

[hushed bronze]

Thats why I mentioned the derelicts. Its a lil more complex and therefore a bit more versatile

I won't pretend I fully decoded it or anything though but I had a good look at it

[hearty wasp]

I haven't lol I'll take your word for it

[odd crater]

It's a "module based" interior generation. Except it has more layers than planetside buildings.

[hearty wasp]

quick quick question

if you can urinate in the game, what kind of effect would you want the action to have

[sudden wasp]

It appears that some people still have access to raw JSON editing in NMSSE. Mine’s been hanging for the last couple of months, and goatfungus acknowledged that there was a problem with the size of the files now. Has anyone come up with a viable workaround?

[fallen hill]

Just for information: does modding include duping items? 🥺

[hearty wasp]

Like in game or save editing

[fallen hill]

Both? Cause eventually you can give them to other players, no?

I got this idea of how modding works but it’s probably so wrong lol

[hearty wasp]

When you're duping items within the game itself then you're just exploiting the game itself, that's called glitching

When you use a save editor, you're just modifying your save with an external tool

[fallen hill]

But both could end up with the requested items/materials. Right?

[hearty wasp]

Yeah but the methods are different

Like you can earn quick silver to buy the community shit

Or you can be like a piece of shit like me and get everything for free via modding the debug options

[fallen hill]

For example. I’m on xbox but modding/editing is ‘forbidden’ cause they could ban my account. But if I would find someone or do some research myself to get certain items

I could easily ‘give’ them to myself. No?

And I would still be legit but not entirely

[hearty wasp]

Yeah

But you'd still be just playing the game

[fallen hill]

Lemme tell you that if I could I would also give them to people in need

[hearty wasp]

Unless you get gamepass and edit your save that way

[fallen hill]

Oh hold up

Cause I do have pass

I could easily go on pc and edit it through the pass?

[hearty wasp]

Yeah I think...?

[fallen hill]

Oh my

All the power id have

I need to do some research.

[hearty wasp]

Not sure about the progress on making save editors gamepass-accessable

[fallen hill]

Thanks a bunch!

Oh

It’s just that those stupid salvage frigate modules

Are a pain in the ass

[hearty wasp]

I know you can mod a gamepass version on PC tho

You can plop on EverythingIsFree and give shit to yourself if you so wish to

[fallen hill]

That’s an save editor or..?

[hearty wasp]

Dunno

Go on Nexus and you can probably find out lol

There's a link at the bottom of the pins

[fallen hill]

Thanks a bunch once again

I’m gonna have a lot of fun

[vale iron]

There's an app on Nexusmods that enables mods for gamepass. For save editing a MS save, you need NomNom

[waxen cedar]

where was the mod that makes space color hues darker?

okay, I increased base timeout to 280 and enabled livePP

someone can try how it affects base downloading and stuff

[steel crypt]

@hushed bronze Deep Space V2 on Nexus was last updated 2016 and is a shader mod. People continuously asking me if it is compatible with my stuff. I tell them it (DS V2) doesn't work anymore for various reasons including "it's a shader mod". Usual response is "please make your mods compatible with other popular mods". Deep Space V2 (along with LowFlight mod last updated 2016) are high up in the trending list.
Most of the time they tell me it was recommended by several people. WTF?

[hushed bronze]

Because its true. Ive seen it recommended by published articles int he last year lol

Dumb writers that dont play NMS tryna get their paycheck

I still dont understand who upvotes it when it doesn't wrok at all XD

"Deep Space has not been updated since before Trump was elected" lol

[steel crypt]

The placebo effect is amazing too. I have seen several mods that (once looking at code) don't do anything like what they say they do. However, the users will tell me they are working and they can obviously see a difference. But....no... you don't.

[round sinew]

@hushed bronze stratos still works correctly from what i've seen 🙂

[hushed bronze]

cool

@round sinew Anything you would like to see in the next version?

@steel crypt How to make mod donation money:
Make mods with effects that are supposedly subtle in nature but actually do nothing. profit XD

[waxen cedar]

Hmm. Isn't the maximum and minimum distance between planetary building spawns adjustable in an MBIN file?

I recall seeing something in the buildingglobals long ago

[hushed bronze]

yes

[waxen cedar]

Ah great. There was some stuff about rendering distances too. Kinda annoyed that the big buildings from origins just pop up out of nowhere

[fallen hill]

Is someone very generous to donate a lot of storage augmentations to me? 💀
Context: I’m trying to get my living ship 48/48 storage

[waxen cedar]

#nms-questions

[round sinew]

#nms-lfg-or-trades

[fallen hill]

Is it safe to edit my save file through pc/pass if I wanna keep playing on xbox?

Or will I get banned by accidentally getting an achievement or some sort?

[vale iron]

I've never heard of anyone getting banned. You definitely won't get banned by NMS; that's not really a thing. I can't speak for the XBox account, but I haven't heard of it

[fallen hill]

Well thank you either way, I’ll just do some research before I start editing anything

[mental marsh]

@fallen hill Few weeks ago I gave up with constant grinds of extracting best upgrade out from random, I decided to use editor only for upgrades. I had 0 problems even now.
Despite this game looks like some sort of online game, it is safe to use or mod your own game to any level where you like to.

[fallen hill]

@mental marsh can I dm you rq for more info? It’s so I don’t spam this chat with dumb stuff

[mental marsh]

Sure,

[waxen cedar]

aaa

[hearty wasp]

nice

[waxen cedar]

not nice, too strong

[hearty wasp]

it's the LSD version

[steel crypt]

Last 3 responses sound like a Hunter Thompson book.

[hearty wasp]

lol

[hushed bronze]

@steel crypt Hey I had an idea for the legacy lovers that you might know how to do. I was thinking a blend of DEFAULT and VINTAGE filter thats about 30 or 40 % vintage and the rest default, might give what you can call the "Legacy" Filter, with a mild warm color touch rather than the heavy hitting full strangth of the vintage filter

[hearty wasp]

I accidentally made a chrome material

[hushed bronze]

REALLY

YOU FINALLY DID IT

@hearty wasp You know you have to teach everyone now, right?

[hearty wasp]

it's literally just max metal and max gloss

[hushed bronze]

hmm. Still though, show me a mat file

(pls?)

[hearty wasp]

gimme sec

actually I think I saw the chrome someplace else before

[hushed bronze]

You know people gonna flip if you chrome their ships, right?

[hearty wasp]

the texture's literally just white

[hushed bronze]

Well im not particularly interested in the texture as much as those refliective properties 🙂

[hearty wasp]

but you kinda need the texture to be white for the reflections to show lol

[hushed bronze]

The plain white is probably a map then

and your settings scale against it

[vale iron]

We could probably chrome ships pretty easily, if tediously.

Just have to collect all the different mats used by the different ship parts

[vale iron]

I'll look at it today instead of when I should be working :)

[glass lake]

I just want megaliths to work

pain

[steel crypt]

@hushed bronze When you say "vintage filter" are you talking about the one used sometimes as planet filter? There are a couple of "vintage" filters now if I remember right. Are you talking about using this filter all the time in-game or replacing the currently used sometimes as planet filter one so that it will be chosen sometimes?
Also, very little time to mod right now but I could look at doing it maybe. Have to brush up on my LUT skillz. Do you have a couple example pics of the vintage filter that is too much and a legacy pic so that I can see the approx. difference? Then probably if done as test mod, it will need to be tweaked.

[hushed bronze]

One way or another, I was just thinking a blend of vintage with default should make something nice. IDK if the apps you used would allow you to easily blend two files like that

[steel crypt]

No because of the funky ass LUT format that HG uses. No programs recognize it as a LUT. I'm not sure what could be done. I would have to see if I could blend them some way. If not, it would probably be me trying to make a custom one which might be a lot of trial and error to get it right. I'll look when I get a few minutes to see maybe what can happen.

[golden dock]

do you get banned for modding?

[hushed bronze]

Ihavent heard of anyone being banned for anything except maybe triggering Xbox/MS

[hearty wasp]

it'd trigger the console players more than the console themselves, more than likely

[hearty wasp]

whelp, after chrome car, I accidentally made ventablack too

[hearty wasp]

it's based on faulty material settings btw

[hushed bronze]

Its blacker than my stepmother's soul!
(jk i dont have a stepmom)

[waxen cedar]

hmm, gyro wheel thing?

[round sinew]

what would i want to see in stratos next version... hmm... its purpose is about skies, but even after playing this much time with the mod on, i don't think i've seen all 2000+ palettes it can offer 😊

[hearty wasp]

I just wish shader mods can come back so I can have HD clouds

[thorny tendon]

Does anyone know off hand which setting in the galaxy globals controls the zooming through the map speed? Trying to speed this up. Thx

[glass lake]

I just want megaliths back

And shaidaks

And I’ll be a happy boy

[hearty wasp]

you can always do it yourself

[glass lake]

I don’t know how to

Otherwise I would

[hearty wasp]

you can always start to learn

how else do you think those others guys did it lol

[glass lake]

I don’t have the time to

I have college and work

[hearty wasp]

well then you gotta just keep dreaming I guess

[glass lake]

Some people are so god damn negative and miserable

[hearty wasp]

hey as long as it helps em making stuff

[twin night]

hey guys, do u have any idea how to unlock the inventory slots without searching drop pods all the time?

[hearty wasp]

editing your save

[shy grove]

if you're on pc.

[hearty wasp]

yeah

I doubt you can mod your game on consoles yet

[shy grove]

also check #nms-questions, especially if you're on console or don't wanna save edit, and need more tips / ideas.

[twin night]

@hearty wasp how to edit my saves?

[hearty wasp]

with a save editor

think the two major ones atm are NomNom and NMSSE

both are on Nexus I think

[twin night]

wow i will instantly check this out ty

[hearty wasp]

remember to backup your save so you won't cry about it when you lose em

huh, NomNom's pretty advanced from the screenies

probably should try it out sometime

[hushed bronze]

@thorny tendon I dont remember the exact var but it is one of the changes I made in Starmap Upgrade https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1348

Pretty sure this mod needs an update to work directly, though

But also there is a vanilla button that accelerates the map scroll, so if you dont know about that, it could also be helpful

[thorny tendon]

ok thanks

[hearty wasp]

this one's done, onto the next

[waxen cedar]

You can always buy a new slot at every space station and one every day at the anomaly

[hearty wasp]

time to work on this tomorrow

[hushed bronze]

@waxen cedar iirc the new slots are per system in both the space station and the anomaly, did it change?

[lime mesa]

Is it easy to mod the game using vortex?

Or do you need to do everything manually?

[waxen cedar]

Ah. I don't know. I had full slots by the time anomaly was revamped so all I've seen is stuff from other people and always just assumed the anomaly gives daily inventory slot along with daily QS mission

[hushed bronze]

Nah, I think the anomaly gets tied into your current system in terms of that inventory seller at least

[odd stag]

@vale iron @hushed bronze I'm currently using your GExos Challenge Mod, might you give me a hint what files i need to edit to change it so that you can't build freighter parts on planets and also that you don#t have all storage containers unlocked by default?

[hushed bronze]

@odd stag Those both are in basebuilding table, i think

[vale iron]

Yes, in the LUA, you would add entries at the bottom to override the blanket entries at the top. You can see examples in the wooden parts that needed overrides

GBase Items

[vale iron]

Yeah, I don't have time to work on it right now, but I'd be interested in knowing what you did.

[hushed bronze]

Thats the best method for blanking almost anything you want blanked. 99% update immune, too

[hearty wasp]

ikr, code is temporary, texture is forever

[hushed bronze]

easy too

[cold umbra]

Save editor got updated yesterday

Shows pet/egg stuff in the raw json editor correctly now.

[raven storm]

Is it possible to mod the game so that your ship crashes on death in Normal mode?

Some way to make changes to death in Survival mode (inventory drops, not lost) would work as well. I'd be happy to try to change a few values if someone thinks it can be done that way

[hushed bronze]

That would have been the obvious developer choice, huh

[steel crypt]

I have received a few donations now for mods on Nexus. They were done very anonymously. If anyone here was a donor, thank you very much! 🙂

[spare parcel]

Question about modding
Is it possible to play with other people while having mods or will it disable MP?
If it works, will they see my mods?

[hearty wasp]

crossplay may have issues with custom materials but that's a minor thing

[odd stag]

Just updated my ShopIntro Mod for COMPANIONS Update:
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1789

[odd stag]

Also i uploaded a new mod to make Combat more challenging (Works with 3.22 Companion Update):
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1881/

[hearty wasp]

Didn't notice the thing was gone tbh lol nice mod tho

[plain silo]

i tried nms in vr its fun they implemented a majority of the gameplay mechanics well but on my end not the games fault it didnt have the best graphics

[tame jacinth]

Yo so
I wanna make my game look better. I've got Fine LOD to fix texture pop in issues and I've got everything turned to max but I'm still getting textures that look rather poor and I feel like the game could look way, way better with my graphics card

So I wanna know if there's a definitive modding guide to making the game look better, or at the very least I want to know what mods work well towards making the game look better

I use an EVGA NVIDIA RTX 2070 SUPER so throw whatever at me

[hearty wasp]

go to Nexus and get some graphics mods

but most of what's been done is to refine existing visuals

or reduce annoying ones

bottom line just use reshade

[tame jacinth]

Fair. Any specific reshade pack? @hearty wasp

[hearty wasp]

I don't use reshade myself but Nexus should have a category just for presets

[tame jacinth]

Cool, thanks man, I'll look into it

[daring venture]

Too bad there is no NMS ENB.

[hearty wasp]

too bad there ain't shader mods either

[raven storm]

Sorry for asking the same question again, but I'm still looking for tips

Is it possible to mod the game so that your ship crashes on death in Normal mode? Some way to make changes to death in Survival mode (inventory drops, not lost) would work as well. I'd be happy to try to change a few values if someone thinks it can be done that way

[thorny tendon]

is there a way/mod to make NMS keep running in the background?

[tough imp]

there is a mod to skip all timers altogether

[hushed bronze]

Alt+F4

[hearty wasp]

there are a few autohotkey scripts out there that does that, better just google those

[hearty wasp]

Since no one answered I'm gonna assume no one know the details. You can check the spaceship globals for your first stop. I only know that if you crash your ship into terrain your ship'd be crashed after respawn a year back, but I'm not sure if it's possible to force the event. For the latter, there may be a param in the globals, but you'll prolly have to dig into it yourself

[thorny tendon]

Awesome i use AHK all of the time. I will find it. Thanks!

[idle vale]

Is there a simple fix to unlock recipes on the windows store verrsion on NMS? My 100 and 200 tonne frigate fuel recipes are just missing.

I would've used a save editor already but the saves aren't where guides claim they are

[hearty wasp]

are windows store version the same as gamepass

[vale iron]

I would guess use NomNom save editor

[hearty wasp]

yeah that^

[idle vale]

Hey this one actually finds the saves, thanks

For some reason though it seems that I can't (or just don't know how to) enable the said fuels

[light saddle]

Is there a way to get a Sentinel as a companion in the Nexus? I was able to edit my save game to change a companion to ^QUAD , and it functions as it would be expected while on-planet , but when I summon it in the nexus all other animations freeze (although myself and the sentinel work fine)

[hearty wasp]

there are no pet data for the sentinels

prolly would need to add em into their entity

and the robot table if that's possible

[light saddle]

That makes sense! I wonder if there’s a way to “spoof” the game into applying a sentinel model onto a robot antelope

[hearty wasp]

I mean you can just make it another type of creature

just that no one's gonna ever see it without the mod

[raven storm]

Thanks for the direction, I'll go poking around and see what I find. Also, that Thomas the Tank image is haunting

[hearty wasp]

you haven't seen the worst

those get left in the cutting room floor

[clear ravine]

@hushed bronze does Lo2K's colorful starfield do the same thing as nada's starmap?

nevermind, looks like yours does a bit extra, cool

[static fjord]

Hey I'm looking for a mod I had about a year ago but I can't find anymore. It made ships like 3x as fast as normal. Any ideas?

[hushed bronze]

@clear ravine To answer the question, i think they are pretty similar if im not mistaken

[minor moat]

What's the current mod to use to remove living ship quest timers?

[minor moat]

I can see a few results on Nexus but heard some were outdated/potentially crashing and not sure which one to go for

[tough imp]

goatfungus save editor is updated more often and it even allow raw JSON editting

[tough imp]

the one on nexus works just fine for me, I think it's called quest markers for void egg or something

the void egg mission is the most horrible thing ever to go through and honestly feels lazy and uninspired, I hope they revamp it in the next update so no one will have to get through it ever again

[vale iron]

Goatfungus's save editor is better for PC editing, but can't access Gamepass saves.

[minor moat]

Not seeing anything for "quest markers for void egg", though "void egg over-easy" seems close? (rather not have the markers if possible though, just wanted to skip waiting several days. There's multiple mods for the timer thing