nms-modding

[tidal portal]

um...

im not sure

I am sure that a modder with many mods already created could create a machine to auto complie it to make it happen

[graceful drift]

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1247?tab=files&file_id=7804&nmm=1

anyone who has the skill that can make a newer version of this mod? 👼

[tidal portal]

i love how the only images it shows are exotic, alien, and explorer

[scenic escarp]

When I create a LUA file for a mod that didn't have one, should I contact the author (Lo2k - Natural Nights)? Is there an etiquette for that kind of thing, letting them know?

[vocal zodiac]

check the copyright license if one is attached, or ask the person

[hushed bronze]

Still need someone to test this thing and tell me if it works:
Multipurpose Quick-scan mod with some mild range increases included.

I can't test myself because my GPU is a temporary substitute that cannot boot NMS

[long turtle]

if you didnt update it since yesterday then i tested it and it works owo

so my weird issue with the debug file might Not be the debug file
when starting a new save i have the base game amount of tech slots but when i log into my old save still it has the full grid

ok so after you log out and in it applies the slots thats. super weird

[hushed bronze]

Well at some stage the game puts the slots into your actual save file.

[long turtle]

im sure before it just did it right away so who knows
at least i figured it out

also do you know if theres a way to reset player titles each playthrough so that you can unlock them again?

the debug has the lock all titles but im not sure if that would do what i want it to do

[long turtle]

@vale iron sorry for ping but would you have any idea on this?

[vale iron]

I don't know of an easy way to do it. Each title has a list of criteria, a lot of times quest related. You would have to lookup all those different criteria and manually set progress or status to the opposite

[long turtle]

ah damn fair

thank you

[gusty zenith]

anyone have experience tweaking the mech values? i'm trying to increase the jetpack max speed beyond 200 and also increase the walking speed, but nothing in GCVEHICLEGLOBALS seems to affect it

[void lion]

So lemme just be sure I got this right. You can mod the game and it doesn't really have any consequences like losing access to online features?

[vale iron]

Check the GMech LUAs. Mech speed is a little more complicated than the others, due to the animation

[vale iron]

Correct.

[void lion]

Huh. Well then, at least getting the Living Ship will be marginally less of a pain for me. Thank you!

[gusty zenith]

so i noticed on ur 4x speed version u use a max speed of 200, i assume u realized 200 was a hard cap as well, and were unable to push it past that?

[long turtle]

If you use terrain mods in multiplayer you might see other people floating or stuck in the ground as they have different terrain to you, and you might see a planet differently to your peers, but you can still play online perfectly fine.

[void lion]

Awesome!

I was just considering mods to make the game less arduous than it has to be like removing timers on creature eggs and living ship missions. Glad to know everything will work fine otherwise! 😄

[long turtle]

Oh yeah those would work fine.

[vale iron]

No, I just randomly picked that number. I haven't tried to go over it, though I did in the regular jetpack and it seemed to work. If I get time I'll test it.

[clever iron]

hello every one , is there a mod to fix the bad performances of the last patch?

[cold umbra]

Has anyone found a way to modify your pet's proportions in the JSON file?

[gusty zenith]

@vale iron yeah the on-foot jetpack and all the other exocraft appear to have no speed limit, but the mech appears to be capped at 200

due to the layered dependency of the walking speed/walking animation, i suspected there might be another location that defines this limit, but i haven't found it yet

[vale iron]

I believe you want Mcl\6fX , though you just have to experiment to see what results you get.

[heady temple]

Anyone with AMUMSS and lua can help me? I'm trying to figure out which "keyword" i need for a nested list of properties...

[vale iron]

Give me the file and line number you want

[heady temple]

like this
property name="ZoomLevels"
-property value="GcZoomData.xml"
--property name="MaxScanDistance" value="xxx"

gameplayglobals.global

the various type of zooms (none far mid close)

everyone is nested in their GcZoomData

under ZoomLevels

[vale iron]

Ok, let me get the keywords file, one sec

Ok, good, you can use GcZoomData.xml as a PRECEDING

So for the first, you would want PRECEDING_KEY_WORDS = {"ZoomLevels","GcZoomData.xml"}

For the second, {"ZoomLevels","GcZoomData.xml","GcZoomData.xml"}

[heady temple]

ah

so for the third {"ZoomLevels","GcZoomData.xml","GcZoomData.xml", ,"GcZoomData.xml"}

i need to add gczoomdata

[vale iron]

Yes

It should find the third instance of GcZoomData.xml and put you in that section

[heady temple]

I'm using your lua layout

like this:
{["PRECEDING_KEY_WORDS"] = "ZoomLevels", "GcZoomData.xml", "GcZoomData.xml", "GcZoomData.xml", "GcZoomData.xml", ["VALUE_CHANGE_TABLE"] = { {"FoV", ZoomLevelsCloseFoV}, {"MinScanDistance", ZoomLevelsCloseMinScanDistance}, {"MaxScanDistance", ZoomLevelsCloseMaxScanDistance}, {"WalkSpeed", ZoomLevelsCloseWalkSpeed} }},

[vale iron]

You'll need {} around the key words

Otherwise, it looks right, without getting it into an editor @heady temple

[heady temple]

ok

[scenic escarp]

I have what in retrospect seems like a stupid question, but I think I misunderstood the PAK+LUAs patching. So I had four conflicting mods that I wanted to use together. One was just a PAK, and the other three had LUAs available. I'd thought that using AMUMSS with the PAK and LUAs in the ModScript would create a new PAK that contained all of the changes, and that I'd use that single new PAK instead of the original files. Now I think I'm starting to understand that that process just creates a new "patch" PAK containing -only- the files that required merging. So I'd still have the original PAK in my Mods folder, but I'd have the "patch" PAK also there, and named to be applied after the original, overwriting the specific files that were merged. Is that correct? Or am I still way off? :/

[vale iron]

Your latter understanding is correct

You need the old files, the new patch, and make sure the patch loads later in the load order

[scenic escarp]

Ahha. Thanks. So, just for example: If ModA PAK modifies MBIN files 1, 2, and 3, and ModB LUA modifies BIN file 2, if I use BuildMod with the PAK and LUA in the ModScript folder, it would create a new PAK with merged ModA and ModB changes to file 2. And in the Mods folder I'd deploy ModA PAK and the new Patch PAK, and wouldn't need the ModB LUA.

[vale iron]

Right, the game can't recognise LUAs anyway

[scenic escarp]

Perfect. Thank you. I don't know why I didn't understand that from the docs the first time. Make sense now, so you're not rebundling everything everytime.

[vale iron]

They're not 100% clear sometimes

[scenic escarp]

Oops, one last question, probably obvious: So if I'm merging mods that all have LUA files, AMUMSS will generate a single new PAK file that will represent all of them, and I won't need any other files from the original mods.

[vale iron]

Correct

[scenic escarp]

Hm, now that I'm thinking it through, I'm realizing I'll need to be a little more careful about naming the patches. I'd assumed the new Mod Organizer 2 support for NMS would automatically add prefixes to the filenames to enforce a load order when it deploys them to the VFS Mods directory, but I don't think it actually does. It's just copying them there. So I'll have to zz them myself.

[scenic escarp]

p.s. Thanks for the help, @vale iron!

[lean saffron]

Anyone having issues with the goatfungus save editor? 1.7.2 threw errors for me, but still worked, until later I noticed I was losing teleporter locations (in my very short lists). No commits since Companions, afaik.

[cold umbra]

@lean saffron I have noticed that the Saves list sometimes prioritizes older zip backups instead of recent gamesaves. I think I lost some progress as well that way.

[lusty locust]

NMS has mod support?

is it just for PC or can Xbox access it?

[tidal portal]

just pc i hear

[summer pulsar]

Are there any mods at all for origins that makes space black and not all nebula?

please help have been searching and cant find any

[scenic escarp]

Maybe try https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1471/ from Lo2k. Has two options: Black Space or Black Space with Nebulae.

[storm marlin]

If the current convo in the modding discord was anything to go by, those kinds of mods were broken and are no longer really doable.

[stray venture]

that's unfortunate. I like the colorful space, gives me Freelancer vibes in a good way, but I'd love to see some of the more MY EYES colors dialed back

[scenic escarp]

Which discord?

[storm marlin]

The separate modding one as linked from the STEP project page, but Gumsk since stated that that one still works (and uses it).

[limpid summit]

Are there any faster farm timer mods that still work?

[stray venture]

one appears to have been uploaded a few minutes after you asked!

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1866

[limpid summit]

And all the analysis visor mods are broken, looks like?

[hushed bronze]

@limpid summit What kind do you mean?

Visual changes? speed upgrades?

If you want scanner speed enhancers, I updated mine yesterday, people say it works.
As for graphics enhancers, most "cleaners" should work - the kinds that blank out the noise at the edges or the blue filter, but my old panel overhauls haven't been updated in a long time. TLDR: Overlay type visuals should still work, others probably not

[vocal zodiac]

@vale iron speaking of mods that like 10 people want, any progress on that long-but-few storm thing? and no spicy rain too

[vale iron]

That's how I got on these camera filters 😄 It looks like the old mods were done with shader mods and I can't find anything that would do differently now. I'm really close to giving up 😦

[vocal zodiac]

ah, i don't mind the camera filters, if it cuts into shaders then it's just asking for trouble

[vale iron]

brandishes a switch blade

[vocal zodiac]

it's just less-storms-but-longer that i'd like. that and no spicy rain

eheheh. game modding is a nightmare when there's no real documentation

[vale iron]

Yeah, I can probably do that one

I mean I definitely can

[vocal zodiac]

i imagine the shaders for vulcan are probably hardcoded

[vale iron]

Give me some percentages on the changes you want

[vocal zodiac]

2x longer storms, 50% as frequent, pretty much

also reading up... "Unlike earlier APIs, shader code in Vulkan has to be specified in a bytecode format as opposed to human-readable syntax like GLSL and HLSL"

this is literally like going from python to assembly

[vocal zodiac]

also no spicy rain?

huh, it's like 2kb... something tells me i might wanna get into nms modding lol

[vale iron]

Spicy Rain? I don't remember that one

[vocal zodiac]

like, hot rain removal

just convert it to normal rain

...is what i'd like

[vale iron]

Oh, I have one for that on lush planets

[vocal zodiac]

er. essentially just remove the ridiculous heat effect from hot rain. and yeah that'll do, as long as it also affects those unusual worlds too

[vocal zodiac]

lifesaver 😍 thank you!

btw, how would i go about modding NMS? do you have any resources for that, like a mapping table or a decompiler

ik AMUMSS exists

[vale iron]

AMUMSS will download the compiler for you. I use NMS Modding Station to browse the files. You just tell it where the compiler is, then you can double-click on MBIN files to turn them into readable EXML

Next you need to learn how to make the LUA files. For examples, you can go to my GMods page and download all my working files, though it's a week or so out of date

And just ask a lot of questions

[vocal zodiac]

ah, im sure i can twig lua, if it's anything like C++/C#

ik its closer to java tho so 😳

[vale iron]

It's a really easy scripting language

[robust spruce]

LUA is real easy

if you know an existing language you'll be fine

[robust spruce]

Yeah it sucks, maybe you could figure it out and bring back the awesome shader based mods! (I miss my ultra night mods 😦 )

[vocal zodiac]

i mean the easiest override for it would be replacing the textures and bumpmaps associated with the shaders, make em flat images / no data, then work off that

[robust spruce]

I think it requires memory access though via cheat engine.

hmm

too much work lol (been there done that) plus I'm only somewhat elementary in that area

[vocal zodiac]

unless the shader "images" are generated thru math in the shader code itself, in which case the best case would be to dig yr hands into the shader guts and change the enviro ones to just display the screenspace exactly with no additional effects

i've just never liked the environmental hazard vignette on the screen, reduces my view in an irritating way

[robust spruce]

Agree with that fully

[vale iron]

Yeah I've been trying to find a way around the environmental screen effects without any luck

[marsh eagle]

You don't even really need to know lua. Simple amumss based mods are like a json structure. Some nestings with { and }, values inbetween, thats it.

[vocal zodiac]

pretty cool

[celest raft]

I heard about a save editor. Does anyone have a link to it/can dm me how to use it?

[spring vessel]

https://github.com/goatfungus/NMSSaveEditor

hasn't been updated for the latest update tho

[steel crypt]

@vale iron Are you talking about the icing that happens to a visor or the red from heat on visor etc.? If so, there is a conttrol for that in the weather files and the sky global. At the bottom of each fog section.

@vocal zodiac There is a way to convert the shaders to readable form and back but still many things are obfuscated now and divided into many files. Hard to follow unless you understand the game engine and shaders well.

Is there a "modder" role here?

[fallow meadow]

The Vulkan shaders are not hardcoded and can be found/extracted from the source (...Shaders\Code\Bin\...).

Yes the shaders (.spv) are in a binary format called SPIR-V. Compiling into SPIR-V can be done from various different languages. Decomiling from SPIR-V into a readable format is also possible.

If you wish to know more, I recommend looking into the Vulkan SDK, SPIR-V in general, and SPIRV-Cross for (de)compiling.

Some links:
https://www.lunarg.com/vulkan-sdk/
https://www.khronos.org/opengl/wiki/SPIR-V
https://github.com/KhronosGroup/SPIRV-Cross

Note: As said by @steel crypt, understanding shaders can be daunting, further complicated and partly obfuscated by being source created by Hello Games with hardly any documentation available. You're in for a tough ride, not for the faint-hearted ... Shaders are cool though 😋

[vocal zodiac]

hey, thanks :]

[steel crypt]

I mean they have always been obfuscated but now it is way more and they are spread across many files. So, before you might be modding 1-2 files for a shader mod and now that might be 50.

[vocal zodiac]

really i think the best approach would be to override the shaders at the screenspace level, at this point

like, when they're displayed on the screen, just maybe... don't do that

and it's just those enviro hazard borders

[steel crypt]

It can be done and there have been tests done to show the process works as intended.

Are you trying to remove the visor type effects during a storm?

Like the icing on the visor type effects?

[vocal zodiac]

yeah, that's the idea

[steel crypt]

hold on a sec.

[vocal zodiac]

really it's just at the thought experiment phase of development lol

i'm hoping there's just a mod someone's taped together that does it, but i havent had that level of luck just yet

[steel crypt]

There is a section in the weather files and in sky global:
<Property name="CloudRatio" value="0.55" /> <Property name="FullscreenEffect" value="0.5" /> <Property name="DepthOfField" value="0" /> <Property name="DepthOfFieldDistance" value="10" /> <Property name="DepthOfFieldFade" value="1000" /> <Property name="IsRaining" value="False" /> </Property>

The variable FullscreenEffect does this. Haven't tested lately to make sure it still works but I have used it before. You would need to mod it in GCSKYGLOBALS.GLOBALS.MBIN and in METADATA\SIMULATION\SOLARSYSTEM\WEATHER\FIRESTORMWEATHER.MBIN, GRAVITYSTORMWEATHER.MBIN, LAVAWEATHER.MBIN, and SWAMPWEATHER.MBIN

[vocal zodiac]

what would i set it to? 0?

or is that an opacity thing

[steel crypt]

Hard to say. I believe 0 is off and 1 is 100%. Sometimes using 0 can cause weird shit. If you set to zero and it doesn't work as 0 then try 0.1 or 0.00001 (5 decimal places). Sometimes using 0 causes the engine to override the control with a default, so setting it really low keeps the setting.

[vocal zodiac]

understood, will have to check it out

so... how do i go about compiling

is it like minecraft where you maintain folder structure or what? what tools am i using, mbincompiler?

[steel crypt]

I don't have links but you would need PSARC to unpack the game files. (similar to .zip) Then you will see the mbin files (and other files). You use mbincompiler for converting a mbin file (serialized data) into an exml file that you can edit. Then reverse process. Yes keep folder structure.
People will tell you different ways to do this. There are options. Personally, I unpak the entire game into a folder so I can access all files. Then I pick files and folder structures I want to mod and then use mbincompiler to convert to exml, edit, reconvert back to mbin, then use PSARC to pak the mod. I use NMS mod station as a shell to help make it faster but all of that can be done via command line. You can edit the exmls with notepad or whatever.

[vocal zodiac]

sounds good :]

why can't i edit the mbins straight off the bat?

is it a compression method or what

[steel crypt]

I don't know what you mean. The mbins and other files (textures etc.) are in compressed files called .pak similar to a .zip file. If you are talking about editing the mbins without using the mbincompiler to convert to exml and back, then ....well you can but it is serialized HEX. You can HEX edit a mbin file but you will not be seeing near as much data like variable names etc.

[vocal zodiac]

ahhh, okay

so mbin is just straight to hex, clever i suppose

ill keep that in mind

pak is the compression method, mbin is just a serialisation method

[steel crypt]

true

If you are wanting to just prove the concept of whether or not those variables still work as intended, I can make you a mod real quick. I have a minute.

[vocal zodiac]

sure, if you wanna do that. i mean i've legit never modded nms myself before, only used stuff made by folks, so this is very much new to me

[steel crypt]

Okay, if you are going to test this, remember you can't be using any other mod that modifies these files. If you are not sure....just for the test, you can remove all other mods while testing. Okay give me a minute and I'll make one. BRB

Okay, try this. I set all of them to 0. See if that works.

@vocal zodiac

I'll check back in a little bit. Trying to test some stuff for mod update. Just @ me please and let me know if it worked.

[vocal zodiac]

tragically does not work

[hushed bronze]

@vocal zodiac As a note, if Gumsk did the longer storms the way I suspect, it will interfere with day length changers, so you may have to get a merge done, depending what other mods are in play. It may also collide with sky color mods

[vocal zodiac]

yeah no worries, i go minimal

[hushed bronze]

Even so, it affects a major globals file, so the odds of conflict are much higher than usual

Also, reading back a bit more, looks like you might be getting involved with directly creating mods, in which case the weather extender would make a great example to learn from. Simple changes n stuff

[vocal zodiac]

the modder life chooses you

[steel crypt]

@vocal zodiac Are you using ANY other mods?

[vocal zodiac]

a few... i'll try without

[steel crypt]

👍

DUD'S SKY updated v3.21.1
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/507

DUD'S SKY - COLORS updated v3.21.1
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/968

[vocal zodiac]

yeah, clean and dry, the experimental mod doesn't work :[

[steel crypt]

Hmmm well then it might have to be changed in every weather file. There are a few. The weather files are weird how they use only parts of the variables. If I find anything, I'll let you know.

[vale iron]

If I read the comment thread correctly, the test didn't work? Looking at the setting, it does look promising. @steel crypt @vocal zodiac

[steel crypt]

The weather files are weird. The sky global and the individual weather files have some of the same settings. The game engine uses parts of the structs in each. Not even a whole struct, just some variables. The variable might have to be set in ALL of the individual weather files for a good test. When I used it before, it was only called from the global but that was a long time ago and much has changed.

I didn’t test personally. Just have to spacedot to test. No time right now.

@vale iron

[vale iron]

I may make a test later tonight then, changing everything. I'd like to know now if it's possible. All the old files I saw were doing it with a shader edit, so I was worried it's not possible now

[haughty furnace]

Guys, can anyone give me tips on mods that only improve the interface and add more information, such as ship category?

[vocal zodiac]

i believe it was you @vale iron who mentioned trails for fighters being on wing engines and i wholeheartedly agree

like, it's entirely possible, i just caught this shuttle with SEVEN trails including the nacelles

[steady bramble]

hey guys please beta test this for me, it changes a lot of visual stuff, like crescent and integrated planets plus smaller solar systems, but no smaller planets atm (I disabled it, since it deleted moons and with the higher mountains produced more bugs). also it makes you never really on planet so prepare for glitches, but it allows astroids rendered from planet if they spawn close enough.
I will show you what I aimed for.

https://we.tl/t-3N4qs5zMQG

sadly I can't send files or screenshots here, as it seems.

[hushed bronze]

Two on-request updates in the last two days:
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1175
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1198

[slate veldt]

Any current mods that fix the explorer round thrusters trail angle?

Follow up question for the ambitious modders here, how possible/impossible is a ship replacement like this blue ship model (formerly a squid)?

[tidal portal]

thats quite simple, its called using NMSSE to change the seed of a ship

[slate veldt]

uh...the blue ship does not actually exist like that. Thats a photoshop

[tidal portal]

i thought u meant the pods

also I want one of those if u want to trade

[slate veldt]

oh, nope sorry, i should have been more clear in my first comment

[tidal portal]

the pods that is

[slate veldt]

i have the seed for the red one if you want it

[tidal portal]

yes please

[slate veldt]

red/silver guppy with tailcone
0xB8BE1B4F7A689BEF

[tidal portal]

pleeeaaassseee

[slate veldt]

i think the name is BK8 Soaring something

[tidal portal]

i actually keep nmsse running alot

name doesnt come with seed bro

[slate veldt]

ah....it does now

in my experience

[tidal portal]

thats more of a stat thing

[slate veldt]

if you havent named the ship to be swapped, it changes the name for me (my ship names never show up in save editor unless i rename it)

[dire owl]

How does one open nom nom save editor for the windows version?

[tidal portal]

wat explain better pls

[dire owl]

ive downloaded the zip file from github

[tidal portal]

well its now in ur downloaded

[slate veldt]

Oh, thats got a write up on reddit if youre trying to modify a gamepass save

[tidal portal]

in here

Downloads

[dire owl]

rip i cant post images

[tidal portal]

wats a gamepass save?

[dire owl]

but theres no like .exe file

[slate veldt]

MS store version or game pass, not sure if theres actually a difference between these tbh

[tidal portal]

its not an exe

[dire owl]

to bring up the ui

[tidal portal]

it should bring up first a windows comand window

[dire owl]

which file am i looking for

[tidal portal]

a file that looks like a stack of books

whcih contains more files

[dire owl]

i mean like file extension?

[tidal portal]

NMSSaveEditor

not the 4g

[paper wraith]

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1214

One of the best mods everrrrrrrrrrrrr ^

[tidal portal]

looks lame

[paper wraith]

<_<

[tidal portal]

-_-

[paper wraith]

First of all: How dare you.

[dire owl]

hmm i think ive downloaded the wrong one

[paper wraith]

Second of all: More decor and no build count.

[tidal portal]

@dire owl like this

[slate veldt]

oh, they are using Nom Nom btw

[tidal portal]

no build count? wowthats probably the only pro

for me anyway

[dire owl]

is this the one i should be installing (https://github.com/cengelha/NomNom/releases/tag/3.1.0.15-alpha.15) ?

[paper wraith]

MORE DECORATIONS THO <_<

[slate veldt]

@dire owl do you have the game on Steam or ...?

[tidal portal]

idc

[dire owl]

xbox

[tidal portal]

decorations are lame

[paper wraith]

Thirdly: Once again, how dare you!

[dire owl]

xbox game pass on windows

[tidal portal]

kinda already said that at "FIrst:..."

[slate veldt]

Ok, check the pins in this channel since Game Pass doesn't store the saves in the same location and I think yoiu have to do some crazy trickery to make it work

[dull pawn]

No Shake is updated... been busy with life and covid...
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1617

[paper wraith]

I want to stress your audacity <_<

[tidal portal]

well u got gumption, but unless u wanna continue keeping me interested im bored

https://tenor.com/view/quarantine-got-me-like-bored-happy-monday-monday-mood-spinning-gif-16731484

[paper wraith]

You're not a builder I take it?

[tidal portal]

not really

i build what i need

[paper wraith]

Explorer? Sentinel buster? Pirate chaser? Space'mon trainer?

[tidal portal]

and if I ned a base for 'decor

i just build one using the OG parts and pieces

[slate veldt]

Skim through this post as I think it might be more helpful than I can. @vale iron might also know the correct steps for just simple save editing, but I have no experience with save editing Game Pass saves, so im not sure
https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/lk6yk6/how_to_move_a_gamepass_save_to_steam/

[dire owl]

i got it*

ty for the help

do saves just count for your inventory and ships or do they also account for the stuff you build on bases?

[vale iron]

It accounts for pretty much any data

[slate veldt]

^^

[vale iron]

Did you need help with a particular part of save editing?

[tidal portal]

@slate veldt i didnt know it had a thicc tail

[slate veldt]

I thought i said it had the tail cone

[tidal portal]

nop

oh just didnt read

[slate veldt]

...lol

[tidal portal]

derp

[slate veldt]

yeah, I typically have guppies with tailcones
whats the name btw

[tidal portal]

i hate taiolcones

[slate veldt]

Soaring victory or something?

[tidal portal]

Indominus Noctuas Centurion BOB??

oh no

Indominus Podus

i had named it before changing it

[slate veldt]

i dont know why i laughed reading that

[tidal portal]

bc I am all for the Legion

as it says in my name

[tidal portal]

^^^^^^

[slate veldt]

for some reason it was teh podus part that made me laugh, not sure why, anyway

yeah, its a cool ship though. sorry it has a tailcone, just a preference of mine

[tidal portal]

I hear what ur saying

Indominus Pod**

[slate veldt]

i think it just reminded me of the monty python skit about biggus diccus, which i recently watched again.
oof, i went way off topic here, sorry

[dire owl]

are the plots of land we build on no man sky put into a server file? or is it placed into a local save file

[vale iron]

The changes are stored in your local save file at first. If you use the base option to upload your base, then those changes are also put on a server

[dire owl]

so then after making the transition to a new platform do we download them from the server or would they just be there already

[vale iron]

What kind of transition?

In most cases the answer will be that the bases get copied over because they are in your save file

[dire owl]

xbox-steam

[vale iron]

Yes, assuming you do it right, you should have all your bases and still have control of them

And I'm assuming you mean xbox gamepass on PC, not normal XBox to Steam. I don't think there's a way to get from normal XBox to Steam.

[dire owl]

okie

tyty

[vale iron]

Let me know if you have any problems

[lethal wing]

Not sure if this is the spot or not but looking for some guidance with no mans sky VR

[vale iron]

That depends on if you're asking for guidance about VR mods or maybe save editing. If so, yes; if not, probably better in #nms-questions

[minor moat]

So been messing with the pets in save editor, turns out you can "stack" some body parts (like rexback_2 and rexback_6N) to get both effects, like feathers and glowing mushrooms. Was expecting a crash or one to just not load, but seems fine ingame

Something like this (both back accessories), if it's alright for me to post pictures here.

[vale iron]

Looks nice. How are you going about finding the descriptor tags? I look them up in the creature descriptor files, but I'm curious what other people are doing.

[minor moat]

I've just been taming a creature, looking in the json, and then writing it down on a spreadsheet. Clearly not the best method, but it's fun discovering things and confirms what's actually available ingame (rather than potential unused assets)

[cold umbra]

Have you found out how to change proportions? @minor moat

[minor moat]

Not yet, no

Also not sure how to find the XID of things not normally tameable aside from random guessing

[vale iron]

Yeah, the XID doesn't match up with any of the known lists, so it's a bit of a guess. I thought about starting a spreadsheet of what works and what doesn't

The proportions are based on a seed, so I don't think you'll be able to manipulate those in a controlled way.

[cold umbra]

Yeah, I was thinking of just doing +1 to the seed a few times lol

[vocal zodiac]

hot question
is it possible to JUST patch a global with an updated value or do i have to replace the entire file

[vale iron]

Technically, you replace the whole file with any mod

The game grabs your PAK instead of the vanilla PAK, no matter how many changes were made

[vocal zodiac]

so you can't just replace a global in say, spaceship ai without completely replacing the file

[round sinew]

if anyone wants to try this 🙂 feel free to give feedback, thanks in advance (the lua should be inside)

[quartz trail]

I have no idea how this modding stuff work. Are there mods that make the waiting disappear from the game? Like, waiting for eggs to hatch is a simple one. If it exist I would like some instant refinement as well.

Refining large amount of stuff takes way too long.

And if mods like these exist, I would like some help on how to actually use them >_>

[vale iron]

Correct. That's why you have mod conflicts no matter how much is changed by a mod

[vale iron]

Check nexusmods.com for current mods; sort by last updated. I have an egg timers mod, I think there are some refiner speed ones that are up to date as well.

Here's how to install them:
How to Install Mods
Download the ZIP file(s) from Nexus Mods.
Extract the PAK file(s) from the mod ZIP file(s)
Place the PAK file(s) in "No Man's Sky\GAMEDATA\PCBANKS\MODS"
Delete the DISABLEMODS.txt file from "No Man's Sky\GAMEDATA\PCBANKS"
If you have multiple mods, make sure you don't have any conflicts

[quartz trail]

Alright thanks, time to fail a bunch of time. I'll get it to work eventually though.

[vale iron]

It works pretty easily, don't worry

[vocal zodiac]

oh right i did it

i figured out how to disable the borders

overrode uiglobals to point to nothing when trying to peep those fx files @vale iron

check property HazardTextures, they originally pointed to a bunch of stuff now they just point at nothing

[vale iron]

Nice work; I completely missed those. Did you change all three sets, the regular, normal maps, and height maps?

[vocal zodiac]

yep, all of em so you dont end up with meltscreen lol

i figured it was something in the U, just didnt know what til i like... actually looked

[vale iron]

If you have the inclination, you should put it in a LUA script so people can merge it with others. UIGlobals is oft used

[vocal zodiac]

i'm ridiculously proud of myself for changing a few strings
...and you might have to teach me how to do that

[vale iron]

I can help with that, though maybe not now. I'm trying to figure out how the procedural ships work. It also looks like the section right before that has some variables that could do the same, by setting strength to 0 for example. Either way works, though.

[vocal zodiac]

yeah i set a bunch of them to 0 as well

just as insurance

there's also a threshold in there that i set to like 2

[quartz trail]

Just found out about the mods that change the skys.

I am very happy.

[tranquil condor]

are there any mods which add jungle planets to nms

[scenic escarp]

I'm curious who here uses Mod Organizer 2 with NMS. I started with it mostly out of habit (from Skyrim VR), and because the Lost In Space Wabbajack uses it. I'm still using it now with my own list, and started contributing tiny improvements to the NMS plugin (like creating default executables for Flat vs. VR). I've found it handy for subbing in/out different mods and then using the Explorer++ tool to grab a copy of the virtual mod folder and move it over to AMUMSS ModScript for conflict detection. But it all feels very clunky and brute force. Are there better ways to use MO2? Are there improvements you'd like to see to better support NMS modding? Or are the other mod organizer tools for NMS way better and I should go that route instead?

[hearty nymph]

What can modding do?

[vocal zodiac]

it can slightly or dramatically change many aspects of the game. https://videogamemods.com/nomanssky/mods/ is a great place for pre-made mods by fans, same with its page on the Nexus; you can also get into modding yourself with a relatively simple suite of tools, though i think there are guides on how

[vale iron]

I think the vast majority of modders just handle it all manually. After that, I guess vortex is popular.

[vale iron]

FYI most modders don't use that site anymore. I don't know the details, but there were things to do with suspicious content and unauthorized reposting of content. Most use nexusmods.com

[spare whale]

Hi, do you have any more info on that please? I may consider moving to steam from game pass and copying bases and having control of them is something I was wondering about.

[wise cape]

is there any way to have the HUD stuck to my face in VR? my headset is wireless so i don't have to use the turn stick but the only way to move the HUD is to use said turn stick, pretty inconvenient to have to frantically look around for my health every time i piss off a sentinel

[placid garnet]

How does modding in No Mans Sky work anyway?

I assume it locks you out from interacting with others

[steel crypt]

no.

Yeah, that website sucks dude. There have been all kinds of problems with it over the years. Content gets hijacked with malware, content gets erased and replaced with "hot dates in your area", they have ripped content from Nexus and claimed people posted it there but nope it was just ripped, etc. Nexus has been stable, safe, and has some kind of moral compass for many years I have been using it.

[vale iron]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/lk6yk6/how_to_move_a_gamepass_save_to_steam/

[wise cape]

is there a mod for this?

[spring vessel]

oh nice @vale iron, looks hella fiddly buy good to know it is possible

I guess a similar process would for in reverse, or for going from steam to steam

[scenic escarp]

Unfortunately there's not a VR mod to make the HUD move with your head. However, there's a good mod for removing the static parts of the HUD and replacing them with components in the binoculars. Plus a number of other quality-of-life improvements for VR. https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1563

[wise cape]

problem is sometimes i play normal and sometimes i play VR, will that mod mess with normal gameplay?

and also apparently in multiplayer you'll look like youre running backwards if youre turned around

[scenic escarp]

His mod has four options (vanilla, ultra, ultra plus, and modular), and I think the vanilla option works for both flat and VR. Or you could just keep two different profiles in MO2. One with it disabled for flat NMS, and one with it enabled for NMS VR.

[vale iron]

Going reverse wouldn't be an option. You need NomNom to read MS cloud saves, but NomNom doesn't have a JSON editor or a way to import a JSON file. PC to PC should be similar, though even easier, since you wouldn't have to correct the errors in NomNom's JSON export.

[crude sail]

There's a roomscale vr mod that i believe delegates the health bar to your scanner

Immersion plus i think it is? It's on the nexus

I see that i am late to this party lol

[vocal zodiac]

had no idea it stank that much, thanks for letting me know

[spare whale]

Brilliant, thank you.

[vale iron]

If you have problems, let me know and I'll get with the other guy and try to fix it

[spare whale]

Thanks. One thing I'm wondering if I go for it is does the save file include bases and ownership?

[vale iron]

Yes, that method should replicate the bases and give you control

There could be an issue of duplication if a base was uploaded, but unless you signed in with the xbox account at the same time, you wouldn't ever see it

[spare whale]

OK cool thanks

The PC gamepass version is annoying me haha, so I'm pretty tempted to try this ASAP.

[vale iron]

Outside downloading the apps, it would only take 5 to 10 minutes, I think

[tranquil condor]

wrong channel

[wise cape]

don't wanna have to open scanner during a fight lol

[dire owl]

how do i transfer a savefile to windows xbox

[vale iron]

I don't know of a way to do that

[dire owl]

what about replacing a save file?

[vale iron]

I don't really know. I don't have any XBox access to test anything 😦

[dire owl]

rip

[crude sail]

Fair enough skitter

[undone kiln]

Will modding my game prevent online play?

[storm quest]

@undone kiln To turn off Online play: Options -> Network -> Multiplayer -> Disabled

[vale iron]

No

[undone kiln]

Thanks, gonna use all those speed up confirm and speed up text mods

[vale iron]

Lo2k for the win

[vocal zodiac]

i dont think that was the question

[sinful anvil]

is it possible to make more of the flora indestructible to exocraft? like everything but the tiniest things

[spring vessel]

I like the idea but ugh, the driving experience would be awful without changing the density of objects too

[sinful anvil]

well the nomad wouldn't be too bad

i like to impact places as little as possible :S

[native hawk]

anybody able to open the GCDEBUGOPTIONS.GLOBAL as an EXML?

[round sinew]

have you seen <#nms-modding message> ?

[native hawk]

no i didnt. ty. somehow missed that

ty

[round sinew]

np, you're welcome

[hybrid horizon]

Are most mods already updated?

[round sinew]

when checking out a mod, check when was it last updated

if it was updated recently, most likely it will work with the new/latest update(s)

even mods released a while back might still work

(this all depends on which game files are changed with each update, and if it changed things enough to require modders to update/recompile for the new version)

[steel crypt]

DUD'S SKY - COLORS

• Updated _MOD_DUD_GrassPlantSandRockColors_v3051 to _MOD_DUD_GrassPlantSandRockColors_v3212
  (Removed custom fauna colors to retain vanilla NMS colors for pets.)
  https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/968

[quartz trail]

How do these mods work in multiplayer?

For example, if my refining speed is faster.

[hidden shell]

Your refining will be faster for you then, in a cheaty way. NMS is quite unique in being a completely moddable game with strong multiplayer possibility, without desyncs or stuff like that. You can, for example, walk underground or in air as opposed to other players, or just mod sentinels to do 999999999999 damage with 9999999999 per second firerate (exaggerating, but you get the idea) and spawn them on unsuspecting players. It will all work, depending who triggered their spawn.

Summing it up, you can play with whatever mods you want, and worst that can happen is other players seeing nonsense related to you, or you seeing nonsense related to them (apart from the extreme damage exploit I mentioned, which would, indeed, be nasty.)

@vale iron, I remember that you were extremely proficient with ultra fast and effective converting simple mods into .lua. There is this very nice mod:
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1580

...which does very minor change of bumping starship, frigates, and freighter price - but its author seems to be clinically unable to use AMUMSS, even a year after I pointed him to all possible tutorials and guides. Could you, pretty ❤️ please look at it, if it wouldn't be too much work to include in your .lua mods, that you publish? I seen you did same for stuff like exosolar's glass fix, for example.

The relatively simple prices mod modified very popular METADATA/REALITY/INVENTORYTABLE.MBIN, so it would be really beneficial to have it as .lua

[vale iron]

Unfortunately, classes are starting this week so I'm pretty busy. If you ask me again this weekend, though, I can probably put something together.

[hidden shell]

sure thing, no rush. Glad that you're willing to take look at it.

[mental quartz]

Is it possible to transfer my progress/account from xbox game pass on windows 10 to steam?

liked the game, was considering on purchasing it on steam

but i have 33 hours on my save so i wouldnt wanna let that go to waste

[hidden shell]

Sadly, from what I know the two versions are not compatible like that. But, if you could rip your save file from the whateverum it is doing to it in 10, you could put it in new save via save editor

would require some work, though, and 33 hours is really barely started, so not sure if worth the effort

more fitting for #nms-questions , probably, maybe people there know more about such transfers

[vale iron]

It's possible but not particularly easy. I probably wouldn't try for just 33 hours, but that's up to you. Let me get the link

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/lk6yk6/how_to_move_a_gamepass_save_to_steam/

[odd stag]

@vale iron hey, i now finally have time to test your GExos Challenge mod and wanted to do some adjustments, to combine it with my Quicksilver Rewards mod (just for personal). But I'm not familiar with lua files (yet): do i need them if i change the MBIN/EXML files somehow to be included in the *.pak file or is that just for people who use a different system than i do? Cause I'm just familiar with EXML editing and not with lua stuff

[mental quartz]

thanks

[vale iron]

If you're editing the MBIN/EXML directly, you don't need the LUAs. Those just provide a way, with AMUMSS, to automate the EXML editing.

[cold umbra]

@vale iron Thanks for all of your contributions to the community!

Can someone tell me which tags in the JSON affect a creature's coloration?

And pattern?

[vale moat]

has anyone seen or can anyone make a mod to move a part of the scanner UI/HUD? Like this -> http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/9db4/3e1ftlznaqc9saczg.jpg?size_id=7
This is by far the worst problem i have in NMS, and i hope someone can mod the HUD like posted, thanks in advance.

[vale iron]

That might be possible, but I'm very busy this week. If no one else takes you up, ping me this weekend.

[hushed bronze]

@vale moat You could check out some older visor panel mods i've made, but I'll warn you that its a terrible mod to attempt if you're a beginner

Gumsk is a sharp one though, maybe you @vale iron can team up with him and reference this https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1093 to figure out how to do what you want. @vale moat

[vale iron]

Thanks, Exo. I haven't worked on any HUD stuff, so this will be helpful

[hushed bronze]

Also keep in mind your mod will probably scale wrong with resolution scaling unless you convert everything to percentage positioning, which you dont have to worry about if you play at the normal 100% mainly

Its one reason it hasn't been updated in a while, I wanted to account for res scaling the next time i did that

[vale moat]

Any help is great, i keep having to look to the left all the time while scanning, combine that problem with the pin-point reticle that's always somewhere at my right-hip and never in front of my toon and it gets painfully frustrating to scan or search in an ergonomic fashion, i've waited over a year to finally complain, i thought they'd fix all that by now, so i hope a mod can be made, thank you.

[hushed bronze]

Oh hey someone made a mod or two in the past that dead-centered the third person character position. Sounds like something you would like

IDK where it is but heads-up: it exists and you should be able to find it 🙂

[spare sundial]

Are any mods compatable with multiplayer?

[hushed bronze]

Practically all of them

I don't know of any that actually break your ability to play in MP, but some will give you alternate ground level or space station positioning but that's more of an incongruency than an incompatibility

[spare sundial]

What are the best mods for a noob to try?

[marsh grove]

was wondering if there's a mod that would allow me to increase number of ships i could own?

[steel crypt]

no.

[waxen cedar]

How difficult is it to replace specific audio files within the game? Tired of getting my ears raped by the horrid storm audio loop

This game has imo very inconsistent audio design. A few of the original audio clips are quite pleasing to the ear as well as some from the newer updates

But then there are the ones that just irritate your ears like some ambient sounds from post-launch assets, storms and freighter warps

[minor moat]

Trying to figure out how the color seed is generated for creatures, currently have no idea and just trying random numbers. Not finding any consistency though.

[hushed bronze]

The bulk of creature colors are referenced from palettes. But even if you mapped out those, I'm pretty sure nobody has cracked a NMS seed formula yet, and a lot of [very smart and skilled] people have tried (TLDR I wouldn't recommend any version of trying to reverse engineer the seeds)

@minor moat

[minor moat]

Ah rip that idea then.

[hushed bronze]

Some way to efficiently check seeds is probably your only bet if you're looking for a certain color combo

Whatever magic choices the seed induces, all of the colors exist in the palettes, some as obvious animal colors, as sort of "camo" colors, where it will draw on the grass or dirt color of the planet

[minor moat]

Probably yeah. Randomly checking colors isn't exactly "efficient", though without any reverse-engineering not sure what could work. Just changing one number at all rerolls the whole thing

[hushed bronze]

So, assuming you don't need the colors to carry over online, you could screw with the palettes to get somewhere but still its going to be a lot of brute-force work

however if you want online people to see the same animal, brute force checking random seeds is pretty much your only option

[minor moat]

Yeah I was mostly just looking for any sort of correlation between color and seed.

[hushed bronze]

Its the same for ships which is why Mjjstral made a massive seed bank site a while back that just has the results of lots of brute-forcing

[minor moat]

Interesting, got a link to that? Could be a similar color generation method on the creatures, would be interesting to see if the colors match up.

[hushed bronze]

https://nomansseeds.com/

[minor moat]

Ah shame, not really seeing any correlation. Thanks anyways though

[waxen cedar]

So I assume the audio change is difficult process?

[hardy aurora]

@steel crypt Message auto-deleted

[steel crypt]

Okay I guess I can’t post invites to other discord servers. @waxen cedar you need to go to the mod discord and go to the mod-sound channel. I can’t post an invite for some reason.

[waxen cedar]

ah

[stray venture]

there's a link in the pinned messages in this channel for the modding discord

[steel crypt]

That’s the best source of info and people. I have never gone through the process but others have figured it for most things.

[hushed bronze]

@steel crypt just dm it to him

[shy grove]

!moddinglink

[hardy aurora]

https://discord.gg/22ZAU9H

[steel crypt]

Haha thanks. I tried exo but I’m on my phone and can’t figure out how to add a friend to dm. I don’t know what I’m doing lol.

[hushed bronze]

its almost like you grew up without smartphones or something

[steel crypt]

Haha stfu. I grew up with Commodore 64 and att/bell rotary (pulse) phone before the “tone” system. My daughter helps me with the phone.

Would be cool if I could install some MS DOS on this phone. Then I could do whatever I want. A blank black background with a C:> prompt. Hell yeah.

[stray venture]

I bet dosbox has an android port

[waxen cedar]

Would like to replace normal ship warp animation with a black hole one. What file should I look into?

[vale iron]

Probably look at Lo2k's Black Warp or something like that name

I think it's just a texture replacement

[vale iron]

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1296

[hearty wasp]

the warp tunnels are all textures

barring some weird shit someone did with shaders years back before they went inaccessable

[hearty wasp]

pretty

we can only replace "loose" audio which means not packed in a BNK

banked ones we cannot replace cos we haven't developed the tools enough to unpack em

we have an Audio Suite which can handle the loose audio replacement somewhat
https://github.com/monkeyman192/No-Man-s-Audio-Suite

but iirc it's better for listening to the audio and finding which ones you wanna replace

the actual replacement I did with wwise exporting WEMs

...with WAV audio I exported from Audition because wwise is picky as shit

bottom line, if you gotten grips on the basics of these 3 programs, then you can sail thru it

if not, tough titties

[low zealot]

Does anyone here know of a "Faster Scanning" mod that is currently functional? I just came back to the game and mine was broken. In addition, i have tried about 4 others that produce the same result.

[vale iron]

You could try GTech , the scanner only optional file. I'm not sure if it's exactly what you want though

[low zealot]

Honestly, ill take anything. Im aiming to make a new character here soon and i would very much like to spend less time inside my binoculars lol.

[hearty wasp]

honestly I'd probably like to make one for myself in the future too if it's not there already lol

would help with finding planetary buildings

[low zealot]

That would be quite a notable help.

[hearty wasp]

is it in playerglobals or something else

[low zealot]

Im not actually sure

[hearty wasp]

well I mean I'm gonna do it for testing shit so it's gonna be full on cheating lmao

[low zealot]

lmao Its in the name of science so it doesnt count

[vale iron]

I'm in bed and can't remember right now, but you can check my LUAs. It's either gameplay or player

[hearty wasp]

cool

[vale iron]

Sorry, it was ggame scanner only mod: https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1347?tab=files
And it's in gameplayglobals

[low zealot]

Thank you so very much.

[hardy aurora]

@marsh eagle Message auto-deleted

[minor moat]

Eh, I got a ping?

[hearty wasp]

Phantom Ping

[marsh eagle]

I'm wondering with the Creature Unlocker mod when getting a impossible egg like a sandworm egg and giving it to a console player, would that work out?

[north harbor]

@steel crypt role added

[steel crypt]

Ty ✌️

[north harbor]

kein Problem c:

[waxen cedar]

@vale iron How does the amumss mod rebuilding work? Do I just yeet the mod in there and hope for the best?

Or are additional files required

[marsh eagle]

@waxen cedar it takes the lua from the root of the mod pak which is the buildplan for the mod and uses it to recreate it cleanly

[waxen cedar]

ah, thanks

convenient

[hearty wasp]

anyone got time to test an egg

[gusty zenith]

anyone know a way to see if a particular planet type (i.e. viridescent) is in a particular star system when viewing it from the galaxy map?

also is there a way to create a new galaxy map filter to identify T3 systems, or systems w 5+ planets in them?

[vale iron]

I think the answer is no to all of those, unfortunately. But I could be wrong

[gusty zenith]

yeah, im just trying to reduce the time it takes to search for my dream planet, viridescent is one aspect of that, so far all i've done is reduce the planet scan reload time

those are the only other things i can think of to reduce the time spent searching

cause ideally i want to be in a T3 system with 5+ planets as well

[hearty wasp]

I remember someone asking on reddit for this

maybe with cheat engine and the ability to pre proc gen the planets it may work

theoretical of course

[gusty zenith]

well i dont want to cheat the planet generation system, i'd want the planet to be visitable and look the same to other players, but if that approach won't compromise that, i'd be up for it

[hearty wasp]

you can use cheat engine to just read data

[gusty zenith]

ahh ok

[hearty wasp]

overlay-like shit yaknow

just one of the tools

anyway, doesn't get over the hurdle of having to pre-generate the planet

[gusty zenith]

oh i see, like just viewing an entry in the table that lists planet data, before u actually scan it

[hearty wasp]

ye

[gusty zenith]

i'm not sure how much time that would save tho if u still have to enter the system

it only take me like 15-20 sec to scan all the planets in a system

[hearty wasp]

ye

there were mods that decreases mandatory warping times and scanner recharge

not sure about em now

[gusty zenith]

mandatory warp times? u mean the time spent in the warp animation?

[hearty wasp]

ye

iirc there's a minimum time for the warp scene

[gusty zenith]

i honestly thought that was just pure load time, i will look into that

i'm on a good nvme so i'm sure i have some headroom there

[hearty wasp]

would still take some cpu time to do the proc gen but yeah you'd think it won't take 10 seconds everytime lol

[gusty zenith]

@hearty wasp can't find anything on nexus regarding warp animation reduction, if u find it, pls let me know

[hearty wasp]

it was anecdotal back in the day

I don't know where the param is unfortunately

[odd stag]

perfect, thanks!

[tidal portal]

Are any mods for increasing the space encounters??

[tidal portal]

Like increasing getting Son of Helios

[vale iron]

No, but it would be a pretty easy one to do.

[runic solstice]

Mods for reducing timers?

[minor moat]

Those exist, using one for creatures personally

[runic solstice]

Yeah, I need the one for creatures. HG, stop with the timers!

[minor moat]

Look up "pet egg timers" on nexus, that's the one i'm using.

[runic solstice]

Is there a mod to open up restrictions that works with multi? Lots of base building parts I like to place, but can't.

For example, the underwater tubes. They look good.

[hushed bronze]

@minor moat what are you using for increased creature spawns?

[minor moat]

What do you mean?

[hushed bronze]

by that i mean wild animal numbers not eggs

[minor moat]

I don't have anything for that

[hushed bronze]

ive used them before, they can be helpful seeking out diplo worlds easier. I can make my own but that would involve making my own

[minor moat]

Ah. I just use the one mod for timers, nothing else atm.

[round aurora]

anyone know where in the JSON the pet data is stored by any chance?

[round aurora]

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1096 try this one, it still works on my end. it unlocks all parts in all building modes

[hearty wasp]

I had some new knowledge regarding audio modding, apparently Eti released a BNK replace tool a few months back that has the ability to replace wem audio within a BNK, so I assume that packed audio replacement would be possible now, if you can overcome the hurdles, you can check check it out here if you want https://github.com/EtiTheSpirit/BNKReplacer

oop tagged the wrong guy

@waxen cedar

[hushed bronze]

Updated Today:
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1450

[hearty wasp]

anyone wanna try out some heads

just drop one of the 3 in and change some character presets

[shy shadow]

Hiya. I'm starting a new game after being gone a while. I've updated the few mods I have. When I switch into first person, though, everything is close up as though I'm zoomed in. I've disabled the mods I thought might be causing it (particularly this one since it is mentioned in the discussion that it broke: https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1745?tab=posts) but to no avail. Has anybody experienced this, please? I don't want to play in 3rd person.

Mods installed:

Better Planet Generation-797-6-1-1612136191
Better Rewards merged mod-1460-3-21-1614259925
BetterShipTeleportModuleRange-1769-1-1-1604997071
Beyond Base Building-1096-3-2-1613580187
BinocularScanColors_and_ScanNow.pak-1745-3-10-1605028956
Clean Space Origins-1722-3-10-1605177727
Dazaster's Ship Flight for Origins Update-1160-5-1-1612958720
Enhanced Ship Scanner And Inventory Range - NextGen 310-1717-1-4-1605264360
Exosolar's Expanse 1.41-1200-1-41-1568864081
Exosuit Voice Overhaul - ANALOGUE-1763-1-01-1604538835
Fast Actions 2.7-1081-2-7-1605039435
Fast-Text-View-1766-3-05a-1604621656
Fine LOD Lite-1316-3-10-1605124603.1
GDoor Proximity Doors-1444-310b-1605138393
GDoor Proximity Garages-1444-310b-1605084829
GShip Frequency Traders-1845-315a-1613294289
HD Clouds 4K 1.2-1083-1-2-1600902221
Jetpack - Enhanced - ORIGINS - VERSION 3-1213-Origins-b-1604532114
JJs Better Ships V 2.1 More Exotics-547-2-1-1602381984
JJs Bridge V 1.3-944-1-3-1602382528
Katsu.StackSize99999v3LUA-1852-3-1614286750
Longer Protection 30m-1429-1-6-1604677668
mods.txt
Reduced Launch Cost 10 percent-50-1-5-1601198376
ReLight 2.1-1644-2-1-1605109076
ScanNow-1686-1-1-1604169431
Space Station Interior Fix 1.3-1321-1-3-1602268324
Space Station Revamp V 1.7 BLACK-1486-1-7-1606124500
Trading Post Revamp V 1.6 No Outside NPC's-1057-1-6-1602383210

[round sinew]

no need for spoiler tags

[shy shadow]

Aye, I was hoping it would collapse it like on forums.

[winged lance]

Yo anyone know how to fix this can’t download base glitch

[shy shadow]

Could you elaborate?

[winged lance]

Me and my wife are trying to join each others bases when we go to try and download the base so we can warp we get a message saying Can not download base ive tried uploading the base and everything

[round sinew]

well, to start, BinocularScanColors_and_ScanNow.pak-1745-3-10-1605028956 seems to be incompatible going by that link, so that's one of the candidates right

@winged lance any mods involved? if not, then it's a question for #nms-questions

[shy shadow]

Thanks. Sorry, the only way we have to grab a mod list gets all of them, enabled or not. BinocularScan is disabled.

[winged lance]

Oh no mods sorry ill ask over there

[round sinew]

ah, roger that

[shy shadow]

That one in particular states the exact thing that is happening to me in the comments section so it seemed to be the culprit yet the problem persists. It is quite odd. I've had all but "Better Planet Generation" in my previous games.

[round sinew]

well, without unpacking them and seeing what changes each of them does, and what changed in 3.2, i'd start by taking out the older ones

[shy shadow]

Will do. Cheers.

At least it is a short list, unlike some other games I play. 😉

[round sinew]

you could go the other way

disabling them all, then enabling the older ones one or two at a time

[hearty wasp]

zoomed in as in low FOV kind of zoomed in?

[shy shadow]

I was thinking of disa.... yup, that's what I was about to say! Hah

[round sinew]

also curious about ^^

as you didn't post a screenshot

[shy shadow]

Hmm, let me check FOV setting too then. Thanks.

[hearty wasp]

no I mean as in the visual effect

cos it can be related to camera mbins if you have any

[shy shadow]

I'm not sure. I'll grab a screenshot in case it is clear to you.

[round sinew]

yeah

i'm not that familiar with the game mbins yet, and which of those all of those mods change 😦

[hearty wasp]

and if it's not camera mbins the next closest thing could player/gameplay globals

so like maybe these?

just spitballing since I never used any of em

[round sinew]

scannow modifies gameplayglobals yeah

[hearty wasp]

model changes shouldn't affect your camera

so those should be irrelevant

tbh I don't even remember if gameplay globals can affect camera

[round sinew]

going to check what fine lod changes, curious

[hearty wasp]

but globals be globals

[round sinew]

graphicsglobals hmm

environmentglobals

[hearty wasp]

anyway if all else fails you can always do a manual binary search

[shy shadow]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2413459456

same spot in 1st:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2413459465

[shy shadow]

A what?

[hearty wasp]

a "remove half of your mods at a time and see if your problem persists"

a "Thanos Search", if you will

[shy shadow]

Ah. Well, here goes . Thanks both.

[hearty wasp]

ok so it does look like it's some sort of fov thing

since your hud's fine

[round sinew]

bisecting mod list huh

i like that

[shy shadow]

It was, indeed, this mod: https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1717?tab=posts

Enhanced Ship Scanner And Inventory Range NextGen 310

[round sinew]

glad you found it

[shy shadow]

Thank you. 🙂

[lime mesa]

Is there a mod that makes it so pets dont have to age?

[shy shadow]

Drat, it wasn't the only one. I'll let you know which other is doing it.

It was this one: https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1686
Scan Now.

All sorted. 🙂

[thorny tendon]

Anyone know of a good tutorial for making mods for nms? Everything i find is always just about how to install them.

[vale iron]

https://stepmodifications.org/wiki/NoMansSky:Wiki

Jeez that's a big embed

[round sinew]

hahaha

@hearty wasp nice!!

at least it's not upside down here

😄

[hearty wasp]

it looks fucking dead in game

cos it doesn't have anims

[round sinew]

yeah, but still

😄

[hearty wasp]

about that

this is from a previous attempt

[round sinew]

ooohh

heheheh

you tried! 😄

[hearty wasp]

NMSDK is a bit tricky sometimes

[thorny tendon]

thanks!!

[waxen cedar]

going to fix this ugly cutout of black hole backdrop texture. Anyone know in which file is it in?

[hearty wasp]

this the blackhole warp tunnel?

[vocal zodiac]

might be in scenes

[hearty wasp]

it's probably a scene model edge

but warp tunnels uses scrolling texture

and it may just be scrolling to a part that doesn't match the other end

trans rainbow

trans rainbow

this look pretty sus

@waxen cedar try TEXTURES\EFFECTS\WARP

[waxen cedar]

alright, thanks

[hearty wasp]

I remember now, "imposter" is one of the internal names for LOD model stuff

[vocal zodiac]

very good

[hearty wasp]

if you copy and paste that particular texture and replace the other ones

you'll prolly always get trans rainbow

[vocal zodiac]

oh, very very good. thank you for informing me of this

although i think i'd rather do it at a programmatic level... i will keep this in mind

[hearty wasp]

eh

why do complicated stuff when easy stuff do trick

but then you may get cached texture stripes with simple texture replacement

[worldly orbit]

Would anyone mind helping me with my living ship? I just need someone to assist with maxing out my living ship storage

[vocal zodiac]

this isn't the place to ask that question

[worldly orbit]

May I be directed to the correct destination

[hearty wasp]

I mean, except if the answer is "edit your save"

oh nvm

[vocal zodiac]

i'd suggest #nms-lfg-or-trades

[hearty wasp]

you're on xbox

[worldly orbit]

Thanks!

Yup

I suck

I wish I had PC

Wouldn’t even need the help lol

[hearty wasp]

we all suck differently

[worldly orbit]

I like this group

[hearty wasp]

[worldly orbit]

[gusty zenith]

anyone know how to unlock the full 48 tech slots on a ship via saveedit? most mods appear to modify inventorytable.mbin which applies the slot bonus to new ships, but not ones u already own

[hearty wasp]

doesn't goatfungus's editor already has a 1-button expansion thing

[gusty zenith]

the GUI method? yeah, but it doesnt work to expand ship tech invnetory

or suit tech for that matter

[hearty wasp]

huh, it used to

[gusty zenith]

but i think u modify defaultinventorybalance.mbin for suit tech inventory

i just tried modifying the ValidIndices array in the Ships JSON information, but it appears to be ignored

[vocal zodiac]

it's interesting that the gek were originally called the "lower order" according to the filenames

[fallow meadow]

@gusty zenith Have you turned on 'Test Mode' in the save editor?

I can change ship tech slots to 7x4 max without test mode. With test mode it can be changed to 8x6 and then enable all slots to then save.

[hearty wasp]

I mean, they're short

also travellers are called Fourth Race

[vocal zodiac]

huh, this demystifies some things

ship spawn weightings

im looking for the file that configures rainbows

[hushed bronze]

What kind of rainbow configs you want?

@vocal zodiac Its either sky or environment globals, at least part of it

very tippy top of the file too

(I just dont remember which one of those two its actually in)

[spring vessel]

alright now I'm curious what happens if you enable freighters in that list

[vocal zodiac]

god, me too

[hushed bronze]

Do it.

[vocal zodiac]

thank u, i think it's sky. i wanna change the colours they show, there's a folder of textures for them and i wanna make em into pride flag colours

[hushed bronze]

They already pride flag colors

[vocal zodiac]

i know but more

[hushed bronze]

This boi gonna invent some new colors for NMS

the real MVP

[vocal zodiac]

🏳️‍⚧️ yknow

im girls :]

[hushed bronze]

how many?

[vocal zodiac]

five, maybe more

[hushed bronze]

thats a lot of girls to be

[vocal zodiac]

yeah but we handle it

does mean that none of us know how to do things tho

[hushed bronze]

thats unfortunate

[hearty wasp]

dude does sky stuff right

he can probably help with that

[vocal zodiac]

it seems skyglobals only handles rainbow size and transparency, not the actual textures

me finding materials/rainbow.material

😳

[hearty wasp]

oh yeah

they may be scenes

texture is just an endpoint

if they're not done by shaders then they're probably scenes

[fallow meadow]

@vocal zodiac Have you looked here?
...\TEXTURES\PLANETS\COMMON\RAINBOWS\...

[vocal zodiac]

yeah, that's what im working off of

i mighta found it

yeah i found it

so changing rainbow.material to SPECTRUMALT1.dds changed the rainbow to be the trans flag one

[dusk tangle]

Is there any updated mods that’s make space a little darker? Also are there any “essential” recommended mods that improve the vanilla experience of the game?(no mods that highly alter things)

[half gazelle]

is there any mods for unlimited storageee or something?

[limpid summit]

Anything to remove the aerial zoom that still works?

[hearty wasp]

like the scanner one?

[limpid summit]

The one you get when you use a map, or save at a small settlement marker.

[hearty wasp]

uhh, pretty sure that's an ad

anyway check this out

[lime mesa]

Man this is not an ad! If you like the game No Man's Sky like me, want to play this game with almost infinite width, English etc. I shared it for those who do not speak the language. I could say that this mode is mine, but there is someone who has been working for a long time and I did not be unfair to him and shared his information. Maybe No Man's Sky can see this and add the Turkish language option themselves, and we do not bother to install the Mod, but now there is an effort to complete the translation of the game. Also, for those who want to play in Turkish, like me, the Mod can be downloaded for free. There are no ads like you think.

Note: I wrote this to you with Google Translate. I hope I didn't write anything wrong.

[hearty wasp]

so it's a trainer

I'm not sure the rules on trainers but tbh random website urls don't instil confidence lol

oh wait you mean it's a translation

I mean it's not really gonna be effective sharing it in a mainly English-speaking server

I'm sure there're Turkish groups out there

[lime mesa]

You are right, not every link can be trusted on the internet. But these links with Turkey and belonging to a popular forum site. There was only one subject for Translation and it was a Turkish translation mode that was translated after a long time. But the article I just shared has been deleted. Anyway it doesn't matter. It is normal for admins to be suspicious of links. Admins are right about this.

[hearty wasp]

you know the site known as Nexus Mods?

[lime mesa]

Yes there is, but I shared that it might be the one who snapped No Man's Sky official Discord server like me.

[hearty wasp]

it's basically the go to site to get mods and you should ask the author to upload the mod over there

[lime mesa]

No, I do not know. I heard it for the first time.

[hearty wasp]

here https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky

[lime mesa]

So I need to talk to the translator and Nexus can add Turkish Language Mode to the site. I think Nexus is a well-known mod site.

[hearty wasp]

the author can add a mod by themselves

they just need an account

but yeah it'll get more exposure over there hopefully

[lime mesa]

I'll talk to the author, maybe adds to the Nexus site.

[hearty wasp]

best of luck to ya

[lime mesa]

@hearty wasp Thank you for the information you provided. I wish you a healthy and good day.

[hearty wasp]

anyone's got a pet?

wanna test some proc gen change

[marsh eagle]

Best try here and ask pickysaurus https://discord.com/invite/nexusmods

[lime mesa]

OK thanks.

[cold umbra]

Nexus Mods is an annoying site. Asking for money every chance they get on there and limiting unregistered functionality.

[hearty wasp]

ikr asking for money to maintain their servers is annoying

fuck wikipedia too

look at this nice ragdoll

[undone glade]

Hello! Is there any updated mod that disables the scanner's blue filter? I can't take it anymore...

Last time I installed a mod was when Next came out, so excuse me for my ignorance 😛

[hearty wasp]

that's probably just an image

all scanner texture replacer should still work

[undone glade]

So, it doesn't matter if I used an outdated version of said mod, right?

And another question, do any mods mess up how online works, or should I be adviced/concerned about something like that?

[hearty wasp]

yeah textures mods should still work

[undone glade]

Thanks 🙂

[undone glade]

Very helpful sign, mr. bus driver

[marsh eagle]

@robust spruce updated the Star Trek Enterprise D freighter mod for us, enjoy: https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1018

[robust spruce]

woo! good learning experience!

[hearty wasp]

next time I do a texture with transparency remind me to use BC7

cos that one was using DXT5 and I think that only has 1bit alpha

which makes it basically a cut out texture

[hushed bronze]

@cold umbra Just registering really does clear up a lot of that obnoxious stuff though. Its a little stupid.

[royal sequoia]

Is modding needed to max inventory of living ships?

[hushed bronze]

Save editor

[obsidian tree]

No-one upload any more mods...

[gusty zenith]

@royal sequoia there is also an in-game glitch u can use to expand living ship inventory

[cold umbra]

Is there a hi-res texture mod available for NMS?

[hushed bronze]

@obsidian tree better yet, delete a mod whenever someone puts up a new one

[waxen cedar]

Do they sync in multi or is that just local model change of animals?

[obsidian tree]

unlikely a change like that would be visible without the mod

[waxen cedar]

This. The scanner rework is super nice but I think the new UI artist didn't check how it looks in different environments. Sometimes it's impossible to see anything with the new scanner filter.

[hushed bronze]

The hazy blue was worse imo

the previous one i mean

anyway, yes @undone glade The one called "clear scanner" still works
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1093?tab=files

[sleek dune]

why

also

anyone have a razer crest mandalorian ship mod yet?

[hushed bronze]

@sleek dune because the number of mods is 1337

[limpid summit]

Any working mods for thicker trade lines, or otherwise making ground stations easier to find?

[hushed bronze]

@limpid summit Just fire off your econ scanner while flying below cloud level, or anywhere in space if you dont need a specific planet

[vale iron]

It can work like the save file buffers, oldest get kicked first

[vale iron]

Looking at it, but the only available models are absolutely enormous, like half a gig

[sleek dune]

thats not that bad

[vale iron]

Granted, I need to get any other ship mod working well first, but was thinking about that for a future one

[sleek dune]

is that number special?

[vale iron]

elite -> LEET -> 1337

[sleek dune]

can anyone send a link to a razor crest mod?

[vale iron]

None exist

[sleek dune]

but you just said you found models for it

[vale iron]

Right, 3d models, not mods for NMS

[sleek dune]

oh

how would i put those in the game

[vale iron]

If you're starting with no knowledge and access to people that really know this shit well, you might be able to make something in some weeks

[hearty wasp]

I usually just decimate it in blender without a care

since caring gives me stress

[vale iron]

I don't know how to do that well, yet, so I just ignored it for now 🙂

[hearty wasp]

yeah the settings can be a bit tricky

[vale iron]

The model is kind of fun, has the interior and characters and stuff

[hearty wasp]

but try out the planar setting when you have the chance, that usually comes out looking pretty well

[sleek dune]

can anyone here convert it to a no man's sky mod?

[vale iron]

There are people that can, the problem is time and motivation. It's not a simple conversion even for the best people. Don't expect anything anytime soon.

[sleek dune]

damn

$20 to anyone who can have it done by tomorrow morning

[vale iron]

hah, I think your price point is going to have to be a lot higher

[sleek dune]

oh

then

nevermind lol

[hearty wasp]

lel

[vale iron]

To be clear, I'm not one of the people that could do it, currently. I'm still a journeyman in these areas.

Speaking of, back to learning!

[hearty wasp]

I mean you can make in into a mod, they didn't say that the mod has to do anything

[vocal zodiac]

did some modifications to my... mod.

it now mostly removes the enviro fx except in extreme climates

prob gonna make an alt version that just removes them altogether

[round sinew]

does the mod remove the hazard hud overlay while on your freighter? 😉 HG hasn't fixed this bug yet

[vocal zodiac]

it pretty much completely nooches it

i havent tested it on that bug tho but i mean, just on a planet it's basically invisible

[vocal zodiac]

just test it, see if it works or doesnt, i suspect it's something to do with pulse

[waxen cedar]

what fx does it remove? Does it remove every ambient particle effect as well like the other available mod on nexus?

or just the ones that occur during storm

[vocal zodiac]

it just "removes" that irritating screen border that shows, the effect around the screen

[waxen cedar]

oh that one

yes thank you

[vocal zodiac]

it dramatically reduces the visibility of it during regular play and increases overall visibility during storms and extreme weather events

i could also whip up a mod that removes the effects altogether if you want that and that alone

[waxen cedar]

It's kinda hard to decide which to keep. Getting rid of storm dust sprites also yeets away rain and other ambient particles that are kinda nice

one thing which would be nice is to have the effect sprites to spawn further from the player since now they just form a bubble around your character

assuming it's possible

[vocal zodiac]

erm.. okay so in summary cuz im whittering without making sense
the current version dramatically reduces the visibility of the border effects and screen overlay you get when hazard protection is active

[waxen cedar]

yea I understood that ofc

[vocal zodiac]

it does not affect storms or anything, just makes that border virtually invisible. in a storm or extreme weather it will be visible, but pretty non-intrusive; basically as if you were playing normally on a regular weather planet

[hearty wasp]

oh like the ice at the corner stuff?

[vocal zodiac]

yeup

[hearty wasp]

ah nice

they can be pretty restricting at times on top of the storms

[vocal zodiac]

ive always just found those fx really irritating

[waxen cedar]

yup

and the effects that occur in 3D space as well

those are just in your face all the time

[vocal zodiac]

personally i like the weather particles, but i can see why they're irritating to others

[waxen cedar]

would be interesting if someone could make that effect "bubble" to form a donut shape around the player pos instead of the circle/cube

I could also look into it myself but I rarely have time or energy to dedicate for modding so I'll just ask if anyone has tried the stuff first

Haven't even bothered to update my old mods :c

is there even any parameters that define how close the storm dust particles spawn in or is it just hardcoded to always be on the player?

[vocal zodiac]

yeah theres probably params

[waxen cedar]

okay I will now update the mods and try to play around with weather effects

[vocal zodiac]

here's as bad as it gets in extreme weather

[stray venture]

sold. thank you. god I hated that, especially the way it seemed to stick sometimes even when I was in shelter

having some of it lingering for extreme weather seems fair, as a little extra warning that "yo, it's bad out here"

[vocal zodiac]

hold on... let me post the updated ver im using

in regular weather it's basically invisible, too

[stray venture]

sounds perfect to me then, too late to test right yet though. gonna upload it to the Nexus?

[vocal zodiac]

ahhh... ill think bout it. gotta set up for that

personally i'd like to get a .lua set up for amumss

during extreme storms

[stoic grotto]

anyone know of any mods that slightly increase stack sizes in perma death

[hearty wasp]

perma death uses hardcore modifiers

[stoic grotto]

so would it be possible to disable the harcore modifier for the stack size?

[hearty wasp]

and while hardcore modifiers sometimes uses their own specified values a lot of the times they just multiply normal values

I mean yeah

with a mod

what I'm saying is that just look for a mod that changes hardcore stack size

and it'll work with permadeath as well

[stoic grotto]

i havent seen one that does that, have you seen anything like that before?

[hearty wasp]

I haven't the need to use a stack mod

there ain't any stack mods on Nexus atm?

[stoic grotto]

not for hardcore

[hearty wasp]

ah ok

[stoic grotto]

theres not even one for a previous version

[hearty wasp]

you tried a normal one and it doesn't work?

[stoic grotto]

nope it doesnt apply on it

[hearty wasp]

ok good to know

[stoic grotto]

no idea how to find it i might have a look in the save editor and see if theres a line that has the modifiers

[hearty wasp]

yeah sure

would also be a good idea to beg the people who made the stack mods to consider adding in the hardcore changes as well

[stoic grotto]

nothing labelled as hardcore in the files

yeah i guedss

[hearty wasp]

I'm not familiar with the workings of stacks so I can't really dig around much without wasting too much time so the stack mod makers are probably your best bets lol

mmm come to think of it some stacks work upon the substance/product tables too

[stoic grotto]

i dont understand any of it xD

[vocal zodiac]

@stoic grotto what would be the ideal stack size for u?

like, in hard

just 9999, or like, 2500 or somethin

[stoic grotto]

just like the base of 9999 like in normal or at least 7500, its only because i want to build stuff and its tedious enough as it is xD

reduced size doesnt add difficulty imo just makes it annoying

[vocal zodiac]

wishin i knew how to do it honestly

i can't seem to find the setting that controls stack size

[waxen cedar]

what does EnableLivePP stand for in debugoptions? Peer to Peer? peepee?

[vocal zodiac]

probably something to do with networking for sure

might be like, rich presence or something in discord / messaging apps and shit

spicy question @vale iron i'm wondering what the underscores actually do in mod names

something to do with load order?

[stoic grotto]

damn that sucks thanks for trying though i appreciate it

[hearty wasp]

yes

load order is alphabetical

or reverse alphabetical depending on how you look at it

but the later in the alphabetical order a mod's name is, the more priority in loading they have

so contents in a mod that starts with ~ overwrites those that start with _ , and so on to Z and to A

[vale iron]

Personally, it kind of annoys me when people name their mods to try to supersede all others, like zzzzModName. I've used a 'z' like twice to get mods to load after other of my mods, but otherwise, I trust the user to decide which should be more important

I'll get off my soapbox now

[vocal zodiac]

yeah if anything i'm probably just gonna have all my mods named like spdx_ cuz that's kinda my tag

im experimenting a bit with a mod atm. i wanna make the multitools larger

[hearty wasp]

tbh it all started when the MODS folder wasn't a thing

so everyone literally had to have underscores just to have their mods loaded

just a lingering tradition

[vale iron]

Understandable, but not 5 underscores

[hearty wasp]

laughs in tilde

[vale iron]

Though I didn't know about the pre-MODS days

[hearty wasp]

it was wild, man

we used to be able to run unpacked

[vale iron]

Oh yeah, I tried to get that to work once, but think I was too late to the game

[hearty wasp]

I remember when ship hovering was the biggest mod

boomer moment

[vale iron]

I can't imagine trying to do the raw editing in the old days. I wouldn't have gotten into modding without AMUMSS

[vocal zodiac]

oh i can see why they have to change the races between head types now

they literally have the different model transforms like, namespaced and shit

[hearty wasp]

things got a lot easier when MBINcompiler came out, but the globals is still pretty editable with hex editing even now if you have the will

[hearty wasp]

also they need to have necks modeled for the race

[vale iron]

Yeah, that's why the first spawn helmet doesn't work on the gek body, the neck

If you save edit it in, you see a big weird gap

I use it anyway, just because

[hearty wasp]

or this

[vocal zodiac]

which bone binds to the multitool 😡

[vale iron]

Exactly like that!

[hearty wasp]

you have model viewer?

[vocal zodiac]

i don't

only got nms modding station

[hearty wasp]

would be a lot easier to see the model you're working with

[vocal zodiac]

i'm working with character scenes

[hearty wasp]

https://github.com/gregkwaste/NMSMV

[vocal zodiac]

thinking it probably works like source engine where i can just set up the model with an increased scale

[hearty wasp]

it can work directly with your game paks now which rocks

[vale iron]

You could probably just increase the scale on the multitool scene(s), though it might cause some clipping

[hearty wasp]

depends on if there are animations, really

[vocal zodiac]

which part of the scene

[hearty wasp]

this is prolly the safest and has most chance of success

[vale iron]

I've honestly never worked with multitools at all, so I'll need to look around a bit

[hearty wasp]

but yeah anims directly fucks with the transformation of the joints so normal scaling may not work

[vale iron]

Maybe the root node here: MODELS\COMMON\WEAPONS\MULTITOOL\MULTITOOL.SCENE.MBIN

It's definitely a big enough file to cover all the multitools, damn

[vocal zodiac]

yeah.. i've tried that but maybe i'm poking the wrong scaling

[hearty wasp]

yeah that's the scene

[vocal zodiac]

trying from root

[hearty wasp]

again, multitool prolly has anims

[vale iron]

Lines 14 to 16 would be top level, though I know Kibbles said scaling on ships sometimes doesn't work right

And animations, which I know almost as little as modeling about

[steel crypt]

LOL "yeah.. i've tried that but maybe i'm poking the wrong scaling" sounds like something I would say during a frantic trip back in the day,

[hearty wasp]

for sure

I remember when I would ask "what the fuck is a joint"

[vale iron]

Nice double entendre

[vocal zodiac]

i increase the scale

the scale of mts ingame decreases

what

1.2

0.8

[vale iron]

hahah

Well, at least you see some sort of pattern

[hearty wasp]

LMAO

I've never seen this before

[vocal zodiac]

at the very least... i have my mod

[vale iron]

That tiny little MT is hilarious

[hearty wasp]

it should work in both 1st and 3rd person right

[vale iron]

I would think so

[steel crypt]

NMS modding rule #3: Don't question shit, just know it works.

[vocal zodiac]

does nmsms automatically compile and pack loose exmls?

[steel crypt]

no

[hearty wasp]

If it works and you don't know why, just remember it as an exception case, and remember it forever

[waxen cedar]

what is the exact value of pulse engine speed?

is it in the thousands or even more?

[rancid vine]

Somewhere between -200ups and 25000ups from what I’ve seen