nms-modding

[frigid grove]

Ha, nailed it

[fallow meadow]

RewardTable

[frigid grove]

With a few more variables you could have a pretty simple quest building system in these json files. Too bad doing it the real way is such a pita

ok, game moved, files unpacked. Now, what the hell was I doing, lol.

[frigid grove]

oof, looks like the expedition Mission id's aren't in the mission table

Ah, it was in the SEASONALBESPOKEMISSIONTABLE SEASONALMISSIONTABLE

[frigid grove]

Made an nms EXML to JSON converter because I'm insane

https://cwmonkey.github.io/nms-expeditions/exmltojson.html

[frigid grove]

Huh, I was looking at the mission id's in all the expedition json files and there are actually MORE unique missions there than exist in SEASONALMISSIONTABLE.EXML. I'm seeing references to MissonId's in SEASONALBESPOKEMISSIONTABLE.JSON and TUTORIALMISSIONTABLE.EXML as well (so far). Guess that could mean if it's any mission in nms it can be used as a mission in an expedition. Neat.

[fresh arch]

Make Starbirth appear in expedition lol

[frigid grove]

I feel like that would be possible. I could give a void egg to the player when the expedition starts, then I could make one milestone the last step of the void egg process. It seems to have some sort of understanding of prerequisites so I think it would say "finish whatever first"

And enjoy your like week long expedition, heh

[solid hawk]

Told you they were all the same structure. 🙂

[frigid grove]

Probably, but I had no context whenever that was

[solid hawk]

BUT, you would probably have to build out an entire "GcGenericMissionSequence.xml", not just call individual sections of different missions. Would mess up stage progression horribly.

[frigid grove]

Well, for the example above, the egg would start the quest I assume. Then like I said there is some sort of prerequisite checking in expedition quests, so I think that would be similar if you required a quest that is late in a chain

I could check right now if I had any idea what the egg quests were

[lofty granite]

is there a way to edit planets with say a save editor

[frigid grove]

But basically you can't do the quest if there are prerequisites, and it'll tell you what to do first

[fresh arch]

Edit planets as in what exactly?

Thx Guntie

Planets aren't really stored in your save data

This isn't Minecraft where every smallest terrain change would get saved forever

[lofty granite]

like sky color and storm frequency

cause the sky color on this planet im building on is horrendous lol

and theres soooo many storms

[fresh arch]

Nope

[lofty granite]

damn

[fresh arch]

That's all part of procedural generation

Planets with all their features and characteristics are generated from a seed value

That is not available to us in save editor

[lofty granite]

alr

but ive seen mods change out the sky colors

is there a way to replace the color value as a mod to change it

[fresh arch]

Check out Duds Sky Colours or Exosolar's Stratos mods

They can change colours of the skies on planets

But not in a way you'd have control over

[lofty granite]

ill try them and see if they change it for the better

[solid hawk]

Not both at once, btw, as they would conflict. I always suggest to try one, for a few days, then the other, for a few days. Then decide which to stick with. FYI, full disclosure, I'm the Stratos author.

All very much eye of the beholder. So, one is not necessarily better than the other. Just different.

[frigid grove]

What's interesting is there seems to be some flags in the expedition json that let you override aspects of systems and planets. I assume it just forces you to see them, and if someone got there on a non-expedition they would see the default system/planets

Things like
"BlockAggressiveSentinelsInStartSystem": true,

  "ForceStartSystemTernary": false,
  "ForceStartSystemAbandoned": false,

"StartPlanetRareSubstanceOverride": "^TOXIC",

[lofty granite]

stratos looks very nice. the default sky is insanely bright and almost hurts to look at, ill give stratos a try. thank you

[solid hawk]

It's an explansion of the default color palettes available. ~2000 more for day and ~1700 for night, give or take.

[lofty granite]

well now its bright pink, not much better 😅 ill try duds

both mods make it bright pink...

Both green blue ish and pink are horrendous sky colors why did i build my base here💀

[lunar quartz]

To anyone experiencing the "Helios mission blocker" bug when you first enter the anomaly on a new save, there is now a mod fix: https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/2998/

[fallow meadow]

Also, make sure Hello Games are made aware!

!hg

[hardy aurora]

You can submit bug reports, suggestions or feedback to Hello Games here: https://hellogames.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

[fresh arch]

Yeah, make HG aware modders are fixing issues they can't be bothered with

[lunar quartz]

I've sent HG so many mods... I think they fixed 1 of them (the one with the acidic blood creature in one of the last few expeditions)

[fallow meadow]

I wasn't specifically referring to you in case it came across that way. Just wanted to mention it with the post, so others who are pointed to it, will likely see it

[frigid grove]

Too busy remaking Valheim or whatever to accept your free labor, sorry.

Oops, I meant labour.

[upbeat dune]

Helllo hello, for save editing how do I do it without breaking my game and risking having to restart my entire save

[fallow meadow]

Make a backup, so you can mess up all you want?

!faq-savefiles

[hardy aurora]

to view, enable Link Preview

<:nmsatlas:972222451801010207> **Save File Locations**

Steam
%appdata%\HelloGames\NMS\st_<Steam64ID>\...

Game Pass
%LocalAppData%\Packages\HelloGames.NoMansSky_bs190hzg1sesy\SystemAppData\wgs\...

GoG
%appdata%\HelloGames\NMS\DefaultUser\...

Linux & Steam Deck
$HOME/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/compatdata/275850/pfx/drive_c/users/steamuser/Application Data/HelloGames/NMS/st_<Steam64ID>/...

Mac
/Users/<yourname>/Library/Application Support/HelloGames/NMS/st_<your steam ID>/

When sharing saves in a report to Hello Games, it is best to create a package/archive of the full folder shown for your platform above (.zip/.rar).

Contributors: Devilin Pixy#9298, bkay201#1943

[upbeat dune]

Ok

And then can someone send me an updated tutorial on save editing

[fallow meadow]

There are no full tutorials out there. Most of the basics are easy to understand. Either save editor does have info with it (GitHub/Nexus Mods)

NomNom has a full wiki even I believe

[solid hawk]

Both have GUIs. Those portions are fairly self explanatory

[upbeat dune]

Ok what save editor is safer as a software and as a, I won’t fuck something up and absolutely break my save

[fallow meadow]

Both are pretty reliable, but that is never a certainty, hence why I always suggest to at least start with making a full backup of saves. Both Save Editors also create backups upon making changes. Check the install folder once you got started

[upbeat dune]

Ok so NomNom then?

The other one I’ve heard about is goatfungus

[fallow meadow]

That choice is yours to make. It certainly has more features. NMSSE (goatfungus) is more basic, but often sufficient. A matter of preference. NomNom also has a community with a Discord, which might be extra helpful

[upbeat dune]

Which one is more user friendly? As in like better for a newbie

To be more specific: friendlier UI not just like numbers and stuff

[fallow meadow]

NMSSE requires Java 8 (64-bit), NomNom requires .NET6+. Both are user friendly for the basic functions, just NomNom maybe more overwhelming due to the amount of options?

[upbeat dune]

Ok so then NMMSE is probably better

I just want to change some textures(colors) and maybe give myself some items

[fallow meadow]

It has been around for a long time, with NomNom being newer in comparison.

[upbeat dune]

Is it updated?

NMMSE

[fallow meadow]

When it comes to textures/colours, this is not going to be a basic feature, and depending on what you aim to accomplish, may actually require modding. It would at least require Raw JSON editing, which is more advanced.

Both are updated, although for the latest Xbox/Game Pass version NMSSE may need another update, while NomNom has got that covered currently. Some other features with NomNom are still being worked on and some updates planned.

[upbeat dune]

Ok so nom nom

[fallow meadow]

If you are unsure which to use, just give both a try.

[upbeat dune]

I can ditch colours for now

[upbeat dune]

When I’m making a backup can I just copy the file or is there more to it?

[fallow meadow]

I would just make a copy of one of the main folders before you reach the actual individual save files

[frigid grove]

Unpacked binary translation file: 5.2MB
Converted to EXML: 33.9MB
Converted to JSON: 1MB

🤔

[upbeat dune]

Main folder? As in the file that contains my saves?

[upbeat dune]

Folder not file

[fallow meadow]

Yes, like the HelloGames folder before you get to the folder that directly contains your saves

[upbeat dune]

Alright

Will do

Do I need to do anything after that or just that folder

[fallow meadow]

Once you have a backup, you can just launch the save editor and start messing around. If anything gets messed up, you can restore from backup.

[upbeat dune]

Alright got it

Knowing myself I’m going to tell myself: don’t fuck around too much and then I’m going to get curious and fuck around too much

[fallow meadow]

Just know you can not make edits while the game save is running. Best to exit the game, or at least be in the main menu prior to launching a save.

[upbeat dune]

I will actively be fucking around and finding out

[fallow meadow]

Well, with how powerful a save editor is, it may be tempting ... but hey, all yours

[upbeat dune]

Well I don’t want to go overboard like: I don’t want to give my infraknife 8 million damage or something like that COUGH COUGH

[fallow meadow]

Hey, do whatever, but I can imagine quickly losing interest

[upbeat dune]

Yeah I know

That’s what I’m afraid of

backup is done

[fallow meadow]

If that is your backup, it is not going to be what it says to be, as that will actually be done in the original location

I get your point though 😉

[upbeat dune]

ok no So i copied the original file folder

into that folder

with ctrl+ c ctrl + v

in the process of getting nom nom installed

[fallow meadow]

Yes, but editing works on the actual original files, while your backup is what should remain unchanged

[upbeat dune]

yes

that is my backup

in the fuck around and find out folder

in a seperate file location

so that nothing gets changed

confusing i know

but its how my brain works

[fallow meadow]

Ahuh, I understand ... lol

Either way, have fun, but do let us know if you have further questions

[upbeat dune]

and you will also be hearing if i have issues

i doubt i will

im pretty good at stuff like this

but if i can avoid it id rather not mess something up and have to dive into the code

ok so

just one more confirmation

if i install net 6

it wont mess anything up that is currently on my computer correct?

like its not going to replace anything?

[fallow meadow]

No, that will all be fine.

[upbeat dune]

alright cool

love it when my computer decides to take 5 minutes to install something that is 127mb

[fallow meadow]

An installer can be quite small indeed

[upbeat dune]

👍

gekhappy plus thumbs up is the best combination i couldve ever found

shut up windows defender!

you dont know shit about how my pc is protectioning!

totally!

is there any way to undo a misclick?

also

is there a max amount of quicksilver?

also: Do i need to save the edits or once i put them in are they already considered saved

[fallow meadow]

Yes, although I'd have to check the exact limit.

[upbeat dune]

is 40,000 over that limit?

[fallow meadow]

No, that is fine

[upbeat dune]

ok

i think ive done it porperly

[fallow meadow]

The limit is either signed integer limit or unsigned ... which is 2B+ or 4B+

[upbeat dune]

every time i click on something i feel like ive broken it

[fallow meadow]

If you see a big red car, you have

[upbeat dune]

big red CAR?

[upbeat dune]

oh yeah i dont see that yet

ok had to redo stuff because xbox decided to sync from my other pc

here we go

moment of truth

the game is working

uhhhhhhhhhhhh

the edits didnt apply

well crap

load backup?

i mean

the game itself is fine

its just nom nom

[fallow meadow]

The red car belongs to nomNom, yes

[upbeat dune]

how do i actually apply the edits i make?

[fallow meadow]

By saving, then after that it requires to sync of course. This is usually done as soon when you login to the account

[upbeat dune]

by saving?

like in the game?

[fallow meadow]

In the editor

[upbeat dune]

how.

[fallow meadow]

You make changes, then you save. File option > Save

[upbeat dune]

oh ok

do i close nom nom after?

like before i launch?

[fallow meadow]

NomNom does not have to be closed

[upbeat dune]

ok

here goes

can i change multitool color with nom nom/ i feel like i asked this before but i cant remember

[fallow meadow]

Colour is based on seed value

[upbeat dune]

IT WORKED

[upbeat dune]

ah ok so id have to change it yeah?

weird

the expedition rewards didnt claim

[fallow meadow]

Yes, but the value required can not be directly linked to a colour.

[upbeat dune]

like they didnt become available

[fallow meadow]

Where did you add those rewards?

[upbeat dune]

quicksilver synthesis compainion

[fallow meadow]

I mean in the editor

[upbeat dune]

"collect expedition rewards"

oh wait theres another dialouge option isnt there

im dumb

they just say "previously collected"

[fallow meadow]

Did you add it by editing the save, ot by editing the account

[upbeat dune]

save

i have the cosmetic items

[fallow meadow]

You should do it on the account

[upbeat dune]

so should i relock them?

[fallow meadow]

Not sure how NomNom has adjusted to this, as I have not used it in a while

I would just uncheck for the save (and save it), then switch to the account and edit it there to unlock. You should then be able to redeem them account wide on any save by visitng the Anomaly QS shop

[upbeat dune]

ok i have all the items that are like cosmetic

ok im going to do that really qucik

closing game

well im just that good i guess

alright

i got it to work i think

im going to try it and see what happens

uh oh

im so glad ive got a backup cus i dont know what the fucks about to happen

everything is still previously collected

ima try again

[fallow meadow]

That is what happens when they are claimed on the save, as you can only get them once. That is why the account works best, making sure they are not on the save

[upbeat dune]

i relocked them with save editor

id love to confirm if its locked or not

but you know

i cant do that for some reason

[fallow meadow]

Let me know how it goes, we can always try fix it again in the Raw JSON editor

[upbeat dune]

and now its hanging

why does this program hang every 10 seconds ;-;

[fallow meadow]

Not sure, I just launched it as well and it seems slow at times, doing a lot in the background

[upbeat dune]

and it just crashed when i tried to lock the items

maybe they were already locked

i now will try to unlock them via account

[fallow meadow]

Ah ok, I now understand why you call it 'locked'

[upbeat dune]

uh oh

what the hell does TER mean

thats in the load save menu btw

[fallow meadow]

I have no idea, but no context either

[upbeat dune]

sorry to bother you so muchj

[fallow meadow]

It's ok

[upbeat dune]

i think i may just have to get the sceptre and golden vector via other methods

[fallow meadow]

Does it show them available to claim on the save?

in-game

[upbeat dune]

no it shows previously collected still

[fallow meadow]

So it says you have them already, but you do not actually have them

[upbeat dune]

correcto

[fallow meadow]

Ok, so that means it is saved as if you collected the rewards, while you never did

[upbeat dune]

right

[fallow meadow]

Let us move to #964865106334875698 and I will guide you through fixing this in Raw JSON

[upbeat dune]

and it gave me all the cosmetic ones

id rather not troubleshoot it

i can just spawn the sceptor and ship in through the save editor

which i will do later

i was mainly gunning for the cosmetics

[fallow meadow]

Ok, fine with me as well.

Both just got marked as claimed on the save, without you actually claiming them first. This easily happens when you make changes in the editor to the rewards on the save instead of doing it on the account.

[upbeat dune]

ah alright

how do i obtain the seed of a staff multitool

[fallow meadow]

I do believe zencq (the creator of NomNom) had this sorted by unclaiming them on the save again.

[upbeat dune]

the multitool customizer doesnt have staves

[fallow meadow]

I'd suggest getting one from the Creative & Sharing Discord

!creativehublink

[hardy aurora]

https://discord.gg/AEXcap6

[fallow meadow]

They even have a bot to deliver one (if implemented already), also a tool to generate one I think, or ask around

[upbeat dune]

dude some modder is using a mod or something next to me and making a sick beat with ship noises

yeah!

its like a chainsaw

but for my ears

[fallow meadow]

I do not recognise it

[upbeat dune]

i dont either

its just hella annoying

[fallow meadow]

Nah, it's just missing a nice melody

[upbeat dune]

another thing

can i like

add items into my inventory and stuff with nom nom

or like install tech

because its very unclear

nvm

[fallow meadow]

Oh yes, just select your ship or suit or otherwise, select a slot, then right-click and check the options

[upbeat dune]

i found it by right clicking

and how do i change the stats of a technology slot?

[fallow meadow]

The stats of a slot or the tech in the slot?

[upbeat dune]

the stats of the tech in the slot

[fallow meadow]

You have switched to the Tech section?

[upbeat dune]

yes

[fallow meadow]

Crafted Tech basically has fixed stats, but the tech modules are based on a seed value. So to change the stats, you have to change the seed. Again though, you have to know what seed value to use

(else you'd be trying for ages and possibly still getting no luck drawing the best)

[upbeat dune]

ok so i cant for example

change the damage of my boltcaster

because its already installed?

[fallow meadow]

The boltcaster itself is the main tech, which just comes with specific base stats. It would take modding to alter it's value. Alternatively you can change some of the general base stats available on the left. However, be careful to not get too large a value or you may end up running into issues. Too large a 'Shield' or 'Damage' value can for example cause MP issues where no players will appear anymore, or all being frozen when you enter the Anomaly. Too large 'maneuverability' can cause your ship to spiral out of control. I suggest to stick with valid values, even better just use known seed values that match best stats for the class. Again the above Discord I linked is a good place for these things

[upbeat dune]

yeah im not even gonna mess with that

if it can cause issues im not gonna mess with it

[fallow meadow]

By the way, for upgrade modules, the seed value is shown by checking the 'details' of the specific module itself.

[upbeat dune]

ok

i made my pet older

and scale 10

dont know what thats gonna do

[fallow meadow]

Scale has some limits, but it should do as advertised. If you really want to dive in deep, you can always take a peek at the Raw JSON, which is your full save data. Just be careful, keep your backups safe and get them updated regularly

By the way, Raw JSON editing requires you to enable advanced mode

[upbeat dune]

yeah i suck at JSON

i dont really wanna do that

OH MY GOD

HES MASSIVE

[fallow meadow]

For now, I suggest to focus on the initial few things you had planned to change, then play some more as you come up with new ideas. Trust me it can be really tempting to do more than planned by just looking around

[upbeat dune]

is there a way you can increase pet speed?

[fallow meadow]

Probably, maybe ... ?

[upbeat dune]

how

[fallow meadow]

Modding will work, but not sure there is a value you can access using save editor

Not seeing a value you can edit for speed, so this would require modding

[upbeat dune]

Damn

[remote thorn]

Is there a file I can edit to change the game's difficulty if I accidentally locked it? I'm 20+ hours into a Survival save but the refiner stack caps are grinding my gears into dust...

[fresh arch]

I think there's a flag for it in the save file

You'd prolly need to do raw JSON edit to reset it

[restive heath]

Can someone give me an egg of deep sea horror (the big angler fish)?

[fallow meadow]

Raw JSON edit required when using a save editor. Look for:
BaseContext > PlayerStateData > DifficultyState > Settings > SettingsLocked
Change the value from true to false

[remote thorn]

Thank

[inland leaf]

Does anyone have good documentation of the MBIN (MBIN.PC) file structure? I don't need MBINCompiler, I want to figure out how to parse this format.

[fresh arch]

Uhm, what are you trying to do exactly?

MBIN files are encoded XML files

Dont know what you can do with them without decoding them

[inland leaf]

xml file are readable at least 😅

[fresh arch]

Yeah that's my point

We use MBINCompiler to turn MBIN files into XML we can actually understand

And you start with "I dont need MBINC"

https://stepmodifications.org/wiki/NoMansSky:The_Modding_Basics - see this article, goes over basics of decompiling game files

[inland leaf]

I want to create my own tool to view and edit game assets. That's why i need to understand those file under the hood.

And i am not C# programmer, i am far away from it.

[fresh arch]

That's nice and all, but to view and edit those files you need to unpack them first

[inland leaf]

PAK files i already figure out.

[fresh arch]

Either have them unpacked on your disk beforehand or do it in runtime of your app

And you will need MBIN Compiler for that purpose

Or at least the library it uses, libMBIN.dll

Maybe you can take some inspiration from existing tools like NMS Mod Builder: https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/2032

It can be used to visualize some of the game assets

[inland leaf]

Okay, I guess it all comes to fact that the information about structure of these files is incredibly secret and I have to use existing tools, right? 😅

[fresh arch]

There's nothing secret about decompiling game assets

We literally have tools for that

I think what's happening is you're having an assumption you can somehow read MBIN files as they are

Where pretty much all attempts at modding deal with files in XML format

[inland leaf]

No, i want to know an encoding of MBIN to decode it to xml.

[fresh arch]

Im no programmer or coder myself, but unless you've got some idea that all the clever folks missed from game release up until now then good luck

[hearty wasp]

you mean you wanna know what mbincompiler literally does

innit open source on github and you can just read the code

[inland leaf]

Right.

[inland leaf]

Already did but C# code is so unreadable for me. If cannot find any documentation, that the only option i guess.

[hearty wasp]

if I understand correctly it just reads what struct the mbin is using (they are just plain string in the files) and parse it according to the structure of the struct entry

but yeah just read the code

each struct is just its own file in the compiler github and you can also just read em individually

[inland leaf]

For now i only figure out some header with versions and mystery data begins at 0x58.

[hearty wasp]

you're free to join the modding discord and ask more in depth in the mbin compiler channel

!moddinglink

[hardy aurora]

https://discord.gg/22ZAU9H

[hearty wasp]

but otherwise everyone just use the compiler or libmbin with extra steps to do what they want

[inland leaf]

Okay, thanks.

[rapid sandal]

mbin files are binary files, they are not encrypted and they are not xml. the structures the various mbin files use is reverse engineered from the nms.exe using tools like ida and ghirda. the results of that effort is maintained in source code at https://github.com/monkeyman192/MBINCompiler. this can be considered the canonic reference for anything mbin related.
when people say mbin are encoded xml it is a result of how the data was historically stored, but now it's just binary data. mbincompiler.exe can be used to convert the binary mbin to|from exml format, this is a conversion not a unpacking or decoding. you could also convert the binary data to any other format you wanted, which is what nmsmb does (convert mbin to|from it's ebin text format).
if you want to figure out the mbin structures yourself you will have to go through a similar process as the mbincompiler dev's e.g. use ida or ghirda like apps to search and extract the structure definitions.

[rapid sandal]

see: https://github.com/monkeyman192/MBINCompiler/blob/development/libMBIN/Source/MBIN/MBINHeader.cs, or https://github.com/cmkushnir/NMSModBuilder/blob/main/Common/NMS/PAK/Data/PAK.MBIN.Header.cs

[fresh arch]

Thanks for the throughout explanation @rapid sandal

[rapid sandal]

you can create an app that links to libmbin.dll (.NET dll provided on the mbincompiler github). libmbin.dll contains the same code as mbincompiler.exe. that is what nmsmb does to convert mbin's to it's ebin format and to display the enums, classes, and fields used in the mbin files.

[rapid sandal]

it's not that it's secret, it's that Hello Games hasn't published the structures. it has to be extracted from nms.exe, which is not a trivial thing to do.

[solid hawk]

No point in reinventing the wheel

[inland leaf]

Thanks for all this information! I'm interested in encoding algorithms, you can take this as just curiosity.

[hearty wasp]

if you're interested in encoding you should take a look at bytebeats instead

that's a proper clusterfuck

[fresh arch]

New mod released: https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/2999

[lime mesa]

is there a way to delete my ship?

Like nuke it.

[fresh arch]

You can scrap ships at any inhabited space station

Using the ship outfitting terminal

[lime mesa]

Can I do it so I have no ship?

[fresh arch]

Why would you want that?

[lime mesa]

To be trapped forever.

[fresh arch]

I think there's a good reason why game doesn't let players scrap the only ship they got left in collection and lets keep it that way

If you wanna be stranded for whatever reason, you could try breaking all the core techs on your ship

And just don't bother repairing them

[hearty wasp]

you control the buttons you press

just don't use your ship

be like yoda

[solid hawk]

Resist the temptation to fly

[austere totem]

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/2420

[solid hawk]

Doesn't actually make it so there isn't a ship, makes it ridiculously far away though.

[brazen pollen]

Hello modders, is there anyway to turn/toggle off or make transparent these mouse-overs in Menus???? I liked them at first, but now i really hate them!!!

[frigid grove]

Similar to the "no starter ship" challenge above, you could start an offline Cartographers expedition using this: https://cwmonkey.github.io/nms-expeditions/

You'll be able to start your ship very far away (click "General" in the customization step to find the option), your ship starts very busted, you can't buy or restore a new ship, and one of the quests gives you an omni-crafting station so you don't need those dorks on the Anomaly. One thing that may block you from getting that crafting station is if getting to your ship is a prerequisite, but you can make a small change to the json to make that not an issue.

[lime mesa]

Thanks to you and @austere totem this will help with my no ship challenge. ❤️

[ocean prairie]

Damit i didnt finish the expedition, well fully, how do i get teh ship via save editor?

[fresh arch]

With Goatfungus you will need to go into the Account tab and check the box near the EXPD_SHIP12 in Season Rewards section

Dunno about NomNom

[ocean prairie]

Thanks i think i missed it

[marsh obsidian]

Anyone know how to make pets here ?

[solid hawk]

Have creature pellets. Give to an animal to capture its' attention. From the E interaction menu choose make pet.

[marsh obsidian]

No I mean like throught the editor

[dawn dust]

Someone selling some cool animals for units in game?

[solid hawk]

Don't know why, you can get backups of pets to import over on the C & S Discord, for free

[hushed shale]

does anyone know how to change the ships cockpit/colors in the json file?

nvm i got it

[cloud saddle]

Is amomss necessary?

[fresh arch]

To get started with modding, AMUMSS is not necessary

It's used when you want to update mods on your own based on provided LUA scripts

Or when you want to try making your own mods

[round sinew]

@lofty granite basically, you'll need a save editor, that's how you'll access you saves json code, and where there will be the base layout codes as well <#nms-modding message>

[lofty granite]

is nomnom good?

[round sinew]

i'm not familiar with it, but afaik yes

[solid hawk]

The single most important usage, for the player, is to combine\merge mods that would conflict with each other. By default, if using more than one mod that makes changes to the same game file, only one will work, last loaded.4

[lofty granite]

it doesnt seem to work for me, is this one better?

[solid hawk]

Neither is better than the other. Different, written by different people. Both work for me.

[fresh arch]

If you're using PC gamepass / Xbox save you will need the NomNom one

[solid hawk]

NomNom has its' own Disocrd. If having issues, ought to try there

[fresh arch]

Since it was updated for a PC gamepass / Xbox specific change, Goatfungus was not

[lofty granite]

how do i set the file path for the game though? im really not sure what to do here, sry for being stupid lol

[solid hawk]

File>Settings>Save Location

[lofty granite]

if i wanted to move a base, could i just copy the base data and apply it to another base computer?

[solid hawk]

I've only done that once and used https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1879 to do so. Backup one base and restored to another

Others have done so with NomNom. Someone will come along with NomNom specific steps.

[round sinew]

under PlayerStateData, you'll find PersistentPlayerbases

each of those numbers is a base

in short, you build and claim a base computer on the new planet

then come back to the save editor

goto the original base, copy the entire Objects table

except base flag

[hearty wasp]

does NomNom not have base export/import?

cos ik NMSSE has it and that should be easier

[round sinew]

oh okay

seems i've learned it the hard way then

[hearty wasp]

NMSC may also have it but I haven't used it

[lofty granite]

it does? where

[hearty wasp]

nvm babs mentioned it above

[round sinew]

i don't know how to do it in NMSSE that way

sorry for the added confusion

[lofty granite]

ah

[round sinew]

oh i thought that was only to move the base comp object, not the entire base

[hearty wasp]

you export with backup and import with restore

is that not how people interpret it

[round sinew]

ah okay

yeah, that makes more sense

[lofty granite]

dammit it doesnt work
my base is more than half of the hard coded piece limit so i cant make a duplicate

[hearty wasp]

not sure what "doesn't work" mean but if it shits out any error you're free to report it on the github page

[lofty granite]

well i know why the error is there and what it is

my base is like 12k parts so i cant make two

because that would be 24k/16k

[round sinew]

aren't you just going to delete the original base?

[lofty granite]

yeah i could do that but id wanna make a backup first

ill just do that rn

[round sinew]

backup, go in game, delete base, copy base code over from backup to current

[lofty granite]

it worked

thank you all so much

now i just gotta excavate a whole city 💀

[round sinew]

now, keep in mind that it would be best to move the base up, instead of digging it up

i think that the easiest way to do that and get the updated base code is going to be using the base build blender plugin or the standalone app

you could use/manip vectors directly, but i don't feel at ease explaining

[lofty granite]

it was built on a slope, so some parts are above ground and some below, so moving it up/down wouldnt really make a difference

but thanks tho

[round sinew]

when one says up, one could say to a side

don't know if it's a concern, but just be mindful of terrain edit limits

[steel crypt]

Are you saying there is an app for moving a base?

I understand the blender thing. Referring to the other thing you mentioned.

[lofty granite]

theres limits to those too? 💀

[round sinew]

yeah, this one https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/2598

for editing a base, selecting all parts, moving them all up by x for example, would work

[steel crypt]

Interesting. Thanks for info 👍

[steel crypt]

@round sinew FYI I looked into the glowy grass thing. Each glowy object is set up as glowy object. Anything created to be glowy would have to be a ground up build from textures, materials, scenes. So an object is glowy or not, versus being able to glow sometimes. Then object needs to be an option to be called in a biome file. This is the tricky part because as soon as you change the list, you affect all objects in that biome. This will affect all discoveries and Jack with the discovery system. Which I try to avoid.

Woody Montana’s Better Planet Generation does this.
I try not to ever affect discoveries or collectibles etc.

[round sinew]

thanks for the explanation - all good anyway, was mostly curiosity 🙂

[frigid grove]

One small thing @dusky linden found while we were trying to fix their Discoveries after Omega was that NomNom seems to garble stored X tech modules (confirmed as a bug in the Discord), but NMSSE seems to handle them correctly. I can't figure out the right way to decode those things. They seem to be ascii characters in the 127-166 range.

[steel crypt]

DUD'S SKY updated v452-B
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/507

DUD'S SKY - COLORS updated v452-C
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/968

@round sinew

[round sinew]

woot an update :)) tysm

[wintry dew]

Hey I’m thinking of save editing. What’s the best thing to use to save edit and how would I install it (I play on Xbox and wanna save edit my save on pc)

[fresh arch]

Look up the NomNom save editor on Github

There are 2 main save editors available (other being GoatFungus SE), but only NomNom was updated for a Xbox / Gamepass specific thing

[wintry dew]

How would I install that?

[fresh arch]

Per instructions on the github page

[wintry dew]

Okay thank you

[wintry dew]

How would I save it?

[solid hawk]

File>Save

[round sinew]

save zip, extract it to folder of choice

[solid hawk]

Ah, I though he meant saving changes made with the editor

[wintry dew]

It is what I meant but I figured it out

[wintry dew]

How would I add/find mods?

[wintry dew]

Is it possible to use the editor whilst playing

Like it would change while playing

[wintry dew]

Does anyone even look at this channel

[solid hawk]

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/newrecently#

[solid hawk]

Nope

[solid hawk]

Yes

🙂

To install mods for NMS:
Go to your NMS install. In the PCBANKS folder, create a new folder called MODS and delete or rename the file called DISABLEMODS.txt.

Put the .pak mod files your download from NexusMods into the MODS folder you created.

[steel crypt]

You are late
-1 cool points

[solid hawk]

FYI, due to the way modding is implemented for NMS, mods have to be updated anytime the file(s) they are changing get updated by HelloGames. So, the majority of mods (main exception being TEXTURE mods that only replace .DDS graphics files. Some MODEL replacement mods can go longer as well, but a matter of months, NOT years) need have been updated, at least, since the last major NMS update, 4.50. Anything new or updated since 14 February 2024 should be fine to use. Anything older than that and you're taking a risk that an outdated mod will cause the game to crash.

[steel crypt]

I am later
-2 cool points

[solid hawk]

Fashionably so

[solid hawk]

I can never remember the Gunter commands, so usually just freehand the answers

+10 cool points. 🤪

[solid hawk]

It's just slow now. Cyclical. Expedition has ended, been 6 week since the last update hit. People have played and are checking out other games. Next content add update will hit soon, then things will go back into full swing again.

[wintry dew]

What types of mods are there?

[wintry dew]

I play using game pass so does that change anything

Wait never mind

I found pc banks

[solid hawk]

Shouldn't.

!faq-modding

[hardy aurora]

to view, enable Link Preview

<:NmsAtlas:972222451801010207> Helpful links and tips for Modding

• [How to enable and install mods:](#nms-modding message) #nms-modding message

• Learn how to use AMUMSS to compile mods

• [Mods do work in Multiplayer:](#nms-modding message) #nms-modding message

Always check the correct path and contents of the MODS folder! Example Image »

• Game updates can break mods - check if your mods have been updated: https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky?tab=updated

If you experience any glitches or bugs, please remove or disable all mods and try again before reporting to HG or asking in #nms-questions.

Contributors: friendlyfirepl, .sohail, Atlas Emissaries

[solid hawk]

1st link

After you do the steps, have a .pak in PCBANKS\MODS, and start the game, should then see a click through modding disclaimer page. You see this, it tells you that NMS has seen and loaded the mod .pak. 🙂

[wintry dew]

Would it work if I went to play on Xbox with the files installed on my pc?

[vale iron]

Mods don't work on Xbox, only PC

[wintry dew]

Oh ok

So even if I have them installed on pc I can’t use them on Xbox

[vale iron]

Correct

[wintry dew]

What do I do if it keeps making my game crash because “incompatible mods”

I’ve removed most of them and it still happens

[hearty wasp]

remove the rest

[wintry dew]

Ok

Ok I removed them all and put a new set of mods

[solid hawk]

incompatible mods means a file(s) in a pak(s) out of date the majority of the time.

Mods last updated prior to 14 Feb 2024 are going to be the potential culprits.

Guessing you may have gone to most endorsed or most downloaded and started picking some mods. These lists are problematic with NMS, because some of them have been abandoned a long time and will not work anymore.

[dusky linden]

Do note that afaik NomNom still has a read/save issue where it cannot handle packaged/de-installed tech modules. It's fine if you don't have any or don't care, but if you have a lot of uninstalled modules like packrat me here, it will lose them all. Otherwisee I do prefer it's interface slightly over NMSSE, and I can run NomNom on my gaming pc (I won't install the JRE on it as I keep it lean). NMSSE runs just fine on my mac, however.

I seriously need to go through an inventory cleanup; I am a tech hoarder.

[wintry dew]

Is there a way to copy items (currently in my inventory) to another slot with nomnom

[solid hawk]

Another inventory slot, sure. Left click hold, drag to the slot you want to move the thing to, release the left click.

[wintry dew]

By copy I literally mean duplicate a item

[solid hawk]

Just tried. Doesn't look like it, but can right-click on an empty inventory slot and choose Add\Replace Items to add what you wish.

[wintry dew]

Yeah I know that but there’s things I have that I want to dupe and it’s equipment

[solid hawk]

You can do so manually via JSON editing. Doesn't look like there's a way through the GUI. Can always ask for a feature request on the NomNom Discord.

[wintry dew]

Wait there’s a discord for it?

[vale iron]

https://discord.gg/nomnom-762409407488720918

[wintry dew]

Hey I can’t claim certain things from the expedition rewards even though it says I can claim them. What do I do to fix this?

I’m using NomNom and can’t figure out how to fix it

[shy grove]

Did you earn the rewards by completing the expedition or did you go the save editing route?

Also, here are instructions pinned in this channel for save editing expedition rewards in case any of the info helps: #nms-modding message

[wintry dew]

I went the save edit route and have tried everything and nothing has worked

It shows the reward and I can claim one of the things (infinitely for some reason) but the rest (like the eggs and starships) I can’t claim

[shy grove]

Got ya. Did you happen to check / follow those instructions pinned, I linked above? #nms-modding message

[wintry dew]

I’m not smart enough to understand it fully but I sorta get the idea (I’m new to save editing and still figuring out stuff)

[shy grove]

I understand. Hopefully you made backups before save editing...? Just in case it's easier to start from scratch. Either way, if the info in the pin is not clear enough, when @fallow meadow is on, maybe she can try to help troubleshoot the issue you're experiencing. Perhaps show screenshots showing what you're seeing when you go to the QS vendor. And provide other info like what save editor you used, and what steps you followed, etc.

[wintry dew]

I use nomnom and the only thing that is messed up is that when I press the claim button it just stays and doesn’t give me my item

[shy grove]

While we hear back from Devilin or others (since I admit I'm not as well acquainted with Nomnom), maybe the Nomnom Discord can also be of help (I just noticed Gumsk shared it earlier above). I know Devilin can probably help figure out the root cause of your issue or resolve it. But we'll have to wait till she's around / available

[wintry dew]

I’ve already asked in the nomnom discord and no one said anything (since I last checked). I’ll wait for them to be available and hopefully they can help fix it

[fallow meadow]

@wintry dew Let me know when you've got some time, I am currently available.

[wintry dew]

I’m not gonna be available for about 7-8 hours… will you be available then?

[fallow meadow]

You'll have to give it a try. I am in Europe, so that's going to be passed midnight.

[fallow meadow]

@wintry dew I'll try explain in short here:
I assume you tried by using the 'Save > Edit' instead of the 'Account > Edit' on the left side. (see image)

• You have to revert what you changed on the 'Save' by selecting the 'Quicksilver Synthesis Companion' tab. Here you remove the checkmark(s) for all the reward(s) you tried adding earlier. After you have done so, make sure to save!
• Now make sure you select the 'Account' on the left side. Add checkmarks for the rewards you want. After you are done, make sure it gets saved! This should make the rewards available account-wide!
• Now go in-game and visit the Quicksilver Synthesis Companion to claim the rewards on any of the saves you wish (unless previously claimed).

If you still have issues with the rewards after the above, I will have to guide you through fixing this in the Raw JSON data.

[wintry dew]

I would appreciate the JSON data way

[fallow meadow]

The regular way as described above does not work for you?

[wintry dew]

No because that’s the way I did it originally

[fallow meadow]

You added the rewards through the Account?

[wintry dew]

Yes

They aren’t selected in player only in account

[fallow meadow]

Then I do suggest to report this issue with NomNom.
You have some time now?

[wintry dew]

I’m currently at school so I can’t really do anything

Also I reported it in the nomnom discord and they said I was lying

[fallow meadow]

You're not the first to run into this though, so I do suspect there to be an issue again.

[fallow meadow]

Just ping me when you have time.

[wintry dew]

Okay I think I will have time in about 3 hours

[fallow meadow]

(no point trying to explain here, as I want to make sure it is done correctly)

[wintry dew]

Yeah makes sense

[brazen nymph]

question to those who use saveeditor: is it a mod or an external program?

[fresh arch]

Save editors are external programs

[hearty wasp]

if you think about it hard enough the game itself is also a save editor

cos you play it and then the save gets edited

[fresh arch]

Save editor with PAK support

[wintry dew]

Hey @fallow meadow are are currently available or are you busy

[fallow meadow]

I am here. Let us move to #964865106334875698

[ocean prairie]

Which of this mods is still gona work and which needs update?

[fresh arch]

Assume none of these work and wait for mod authors to update the mods

[ocean prairie]

Noooo come on

[fresh arch]

The update just dropped, we need to download it, check if existing tools can handle new files, if not - wait for these to get updated

Then get into the actual files and see what's changed

So you can either invent a time machine to travel to the future when all that's been done

Or listen to a person who is a proper mod author and tells you all that for a good reason

[ocean prairie]

Is this the list? https://steamdb.info/depot/275851/

[fresh arch]

No it's not

Because it doesn't show the individual MBIN files the mods modify

Only the PAK archive files that those are shipped in

[ocean prairie]

Ahh ok

Alrighty thanks for clearing it up i shall wait i guess

[radiant magnet]

Hey! Moving from nms-help because i just discovered my save files are only 2 MB plus 18 MB cache. Can someone give me an overview of what kind of data structures allow HG to fit terrain edits in just a few MB?

[vale iron]

Maybe arghwater, frigate lod fix, and hd clouds, but no guarantee

[round sinew]

it's just numbers

the game does its magic from those numbers

[dark forum]

That's cool, just saw it now as well 🙂

[radiant magnet]

Is it like...a list of every blob that has been removed or added, along with its size?

[dark forum]

Well, should be easy to see when you plot it against the coords of the base pieces - ok, I see, it is a little more complicated. Makes me curious to dig into it for a bit.

[round sinew]

not an expert, but size, address, how long ago, if protected or not, yeah

[ocean prairie]

Those will work? Ye i think so too

[hearty wasp]

do this to find out https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/articles/121

if you don't know the files enough to read the file comparison list in the modding discord this is p much all you can do

[dark forum]

Not an expert either, just had a quick look at the data structure. So, it seems you have a set of 256 buffers, each with a UA, an anchor position using the planetary coordinate system of that UA, a size, an age and a protection flag. But it is not evident how the buffer data is related to the list of Edits, which appears to be 30'000 pairs of values: The Data value has a range of 0...255, so it could be a Buffer index. But the count of Edits per Data value does not match the BufferSize at that index. The scalar Position value has a range of roughly -2.2E10 to 2.2E10. I still guess some more information of the TerrainEditData.Edits is derived from the cache, maybe it points to an index there?

[lofty granite]

a building mod i have still works on the new version but wont let me place any of the new items, is there a way to work around this by ex. editing the scripts?

[hearty wasp]

you can wait for it to be updated or suffer the possible consequences

[lofty granite]

im in a rush to finish this build im doing and i have a backup of todays save

so ill suffer the consequences

[hearty wasp]

long as you understand the risk it's all good to go

[lofty granite]

all i gotta do is figure out what to do with it to add them

[leaden laurel]

@lime mesa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciPMi571eHQ

[fallow meadow]

Quicksilver Shop Items
updated: March 27th, 2024
(in-game version Public: 120112 - Orbital 4.62)

[brazen nymph]

ok, does anyone have a visual mod combatible with orbital?

[hearty wasp]

be more specific

[brazen nymph]

nevermind

[hearty wasp]

cool

[leaden laurel]

Redmas did an update on his Amumss version earlier.

Rgog, but updated some of his other one's also that's already compiled.

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/2675

[civic horizon]

Mod for increased salvaged data. P L E A S E

I imagine it would be as easy as changing a 4 to a 12 somewhere but idk where

[hearty wasp]

search salvage on Nexus

or salvaged

or any related keyword

[civic horizon]

I tried but they kinda didn’t work, this was a few months ago though

[hearty wasp]

sort by last updated

and wait for the mods to actually update

[civic horizon]

Fair

[dim owl]

Is there a mod for better first person?

I tried looking at nexus mods and didn't really find one

Or maybe I'm looking for the wrong key words

[hearty wasp]

not really

not sure how you'd want it enhanced either tbh

[dim owl]

I can't really see my hands and feet, it feels weird

[leaden laurel]

I don't think that's part of first person?

[dim owl]

Feels weird to be just a floating camera walking around. Idk.

[thick tide]

been using mods for like a year or two now but they dont work anymore. i use vortex. anyone else have similar issue recently?

[hearty wasp]

Game update breaks mods

[thick tide]

like literally all of them??

[steel crypt]

are you using all of them?

[thick tide]

@steel crypt no but ive gone one by one and every single one gives me a pop up saying incompatibility detected and then the game force quits

[steel crypt]

Then that mod/mods is most likely outdated. The mod page should state what version it's compatible with.

An update can cause 1% or 99% of mods to need an update. Just depends.

[thick tide]

whats the oldest update that ill be compatible? like what date should i aim for as baseline

[steel crypt]

today

[thick tide]

damn lol

[steel crypt]

Some mod authors don't even have the update yet.
Tools for mod creation need to be updated.
Mods need to be updated after that.
Some authors wait until the patching chills so they don't have to update again the next day.
Each mod/mod author will be different.

[thick tide]

yea i get that i just wasnt sure when most recent update was. havent played game in a while

updated mods but most just be the last update from before this one

[solid hawk]

...and like me, just got home from work, so mine will be updated over the course of the evening

[thick tide]

plus updates dont usually break all my mods, just a few

tried with only mods updated today and still had the same issue

[hearty wasp]

assume so until you tested them, like using this method #nms-modding message

[thick tide]

they have all been updated today but only one works rip

[hearty wasp]

cool

[civic horizon]

Is there a way to check version compatibility on nexus?

[steel crypt]

It will be up to the mod author to put that information on their mod page.

[civic horizon]

Dang

i wish they had something similar to forge where there is just like a list of compatible versions

[hearty wasp]

NMS has way more versions than MC

imagine if every MC modder make updates for snapshots

that's how NMS is

[civic horizon]

understandable

[sharp grotto]

whats the rules in terms of mods in nms?

and what works or doesnt work anymore after adding mods?

[hearty wasp]

none

[hearty wasp]

elaborate

[sharp grotto]

well how does it work with modding and coop 4 excample

or online content in general

in terms of mods like "auto replenishing shields" and stuff

well, if i think of it, you play with others even when you play creative xD

[hearty wasp]

#nms-modding message

[sharp grotto]

❤️

[tiny linden]

anyone familiar with nomnom know where the XO helmet is located to add to my account? (cant get goatfungas to work)

[wintry dew]

Anyone know how to duplicate items with nomnom (possibly json if they know how)

[fresh arch]

New mod released: https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/3004

[fresh arch]

New mod released: https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/3005

[lean prairie]

now i just need someone to make a mod where ship parts arent required for fabrication

and to add black to the color schemes

[brazen nymph]

yes, whats up with that anyway

[lean prairie]

its like HG doesnt want us to have black for some dumb ass reason

if you want real black on your character, gotta have TrueBlack mod

now apparently if you want black on your ship, gotta wait for somebody to make another mod

[odd rock]

hey guys can you reccomend me some mods yto play with? i just installed the game

[lean prairie]

might wanna go vanilla for ur first time around before u jump into modding, no?

however id go for these two i guess
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/797
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/968

first is self explanatory, second is visual. offers a wider array of visuals than vanilla

[odd rock]

oh no, not my first nms game, sorry if i was unclear

[lean prairie]

those two are must haves for me, as for the rest i guess just browse the nexus and see what you like

make sure those mods are compatible with the current version though

[odd rock]

how do i?

[lean prairie]

by making sure they've been updated today or yesterday, but a lot of mods also works from the previous update so i guess make sure theyre updated at least since Feb 2024

read the descriptions and posts to see if there are any posts about its current compatibility

[odd rock]

😫

[vale iron]

I don't think BPG and Dud's are updated yet

Great mods, but take a while to update

If a visual/texture mod, usually work through updates. Most others require updating

[lean prairie]

DUD's is updated on the 24th, I'm not sure if it actually works or not but I got it in my folder

[vale iron]

That update was for Omega, sadly

He updated right before the NMS update dropped

Some of his will still work, others might not

[lean prairie]

I'm just glad TrueBlack seems to work fine without needing update, some people reported some visual glitches but it works fine for me

[vale iron]

He does updates manually, so takes a while longer. BPG has a ton of changes, so also takes a long time

TrueBlack is a palette change, I think, so should work through most updates. They did update one palette and add a few others I think, but should still work

[lean prairie]

Idk which mod is causing it but those new holograms in space stations, the white ones at the ship outfitters etc

They glow blindingly bright, cover the entire screen

DUD's Sky definitely works on some level though cause without it space stations are bright

[vale iron]

That shouldn't be a palette issue

[lean prairie]

But with it they're shadowed etc

More atmospheric

[vale iron]

I haven't had much time in game yet since the update. Had to sleep, update mods, then teach

My quick glance at a station wasn't blinding though

[lean prairie]

yeah.. my dumb ass already wrote "needs updating" on like 4 of your small mods without realizing i havent re-deleted DISABLEMODS

[vale iron]

Oh, that was you? hehe

[lean prairie]

also glad the red mining beam mod finally works for me on atlas MTs

yeah lmao

[vale iron]

No worries, I figured when it was on several mods it was the DISABLEMODS

[lean prairie]

your colored life support ring mod is a total must-have for me

i loved the piece but i hated that its blue

as someone who sports black & red exclusively

[vale iron]

Let me know if you see other pieces that need coloring options. Maybe I can update the base models to take the customization options, rather than a mod to retexture

I should have just done that probably

[lean prairie]

the only thing i can think of is the back of the Blazing Orbit helmet, it has triangular tubes that flow with this energy and they're kind of blue-ish

[vale iron]

Hmm, interesting

[lean prairie]

i use that mod that colors the backpack's camera dot red as well, which also seems to make other parts of other clothing glow red

[vale iron]

Yeah, it hits a few different parts

[lean prairie]

like front part of blazing orbit helmet, it has tiny diodes that glow red thanks to it

looks super cool

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/212051634790858754/1219051676632088596/20240317233549_1.jpg?ex=66131fd8&is=6600aad8&hm=8e26cf7c481cba0bd3c1d94e9d2ad8c297b4b6f2f2b19a7e979128826a21b1bc&

[vale iron]

very cool

[lean prairie]

oh btw @vale iron when i use one of your custom jetpack trails, what does it look like for others? does it default to the starting trail, or is there no trail at all

[vale iron]

Looks like default trail, most likely

[lean prairie]

yeah figured as much

[vale iron]

I want the save editors to update so I can see how they are storing the new custom ship stuff. Might be able to use that to make more multi-player visible stuff

[lean prairie]

all except 3 or 4 mods i use are yours lmfao

[lean prairie]

yeah im waiting for it to update too

idk where i got my current one from, its the goatfungus one, updated for OMEGA, but his github page says last updated for Interceptor

still dont understand why they didnt add black to the starship fabricator. its like they dont want us to have black

i have zero reason to create ships if they cant be black

[vale iron]

The colored vectors still has uppercase G, need to fix that 😛

This weekend I'm going to look at making the unique ships procedurally colored with a custom pallete, instead of having to pick a mod, you pick a seed with the colors you want

[steel crypt]

I haven't looked at files, but if 1 palette was changed then all were changed. Meaning anything that uses a palette might not crash NMS but will definitely not be right and will not color things correctly/as intended.

[lean prairie]

the mods that recolor starborn and vectors to black work perfectly for me

trueblack does as well

so idk

idk about your Sky color mod, but it works at least to an extent

without it, the space stations are bright inside, with it, they're much darker and lit up only by actual lights

but some lights seem to be exaggerated in their potency

[steel crypt]

Those are not palette mods.

[lean prairie]

oh, i thought if they edit colors, they're palette mods

well as u can see my knowledge on the matter is rudimentary at best

so then your Sky mod is a palette mod, right?

[steel crypt]

Yeah, anything in DUD’S SKY - COLORS that’s a “color” mod is a palette mod. I think lol I have to look at the list.

[vale iron]

The starborn runner color mods are texture mods. I'm editing the image files, not palettes

[lean prairie]

ah gotcha

[vale iron]

I haven't actually done any palette mods yet, only texture mods. All my recolors are either texture hue shifts or material file value changes

I'm thinking of diving into palettes for the first time this weekend

[lean prairie]

its funny cause every miniscule recolor mod that i thought "damn thatd be great to have" i found under your user files

[vale iron]

Orrrrr, play cyberpunk

Yeah, HG uses textures a lot for coloring, unfortunately

particularly on unique things like the custom ships

They shouldn't do it that way, but it makes it easy for me to change

[lament star]

Does anyone have the seed for the Nintendo Switch themed multi tool called "Infinite Neon Mark XXII"?

[vale iron]

Pretty sure it's not a seed; it's a scene

[hearty wasp]

Sean

[fresh arch]

https://streamable.com/6pyhef

[hearty wasp]

so how difficult was this

[fresh arch]

5

[hearty wasp]

Out of 76?

[fresh arch]

5 years taken off my lifespan

[hearty wasp]

Fair

[marsh eagle]

Nice, does that ship sync in multiplayer? Can you test that ?

[fresh arch]

No because Im stupid

[vale iron]

I wish my students were this forthright

[fresh arch]

WIP, possible only thanks to lmonk's royal palette mod

(disregard colour options, these do not work)

[lean prairie]

no, you just have to apply yourself 🤓 ☝️

[languid dawn]

The mod is balanced around not using the initial free freighter. The best workaround I know so far is to just do it on the "honor system": either continually reject the free freighter offers until you buy your own, or accept the initial free freighter, rename it to "No Man's Freighter" or something, and then never interact with or set foot on it until you are able to purchase a new freighter of your own
that's never getting cracked, is it?

[foggy bison]

Is there a mod that just makes the base lights not shit

and will it mess with online functionality

like does it exist as just a client side mod or something

[lean prairie]

every mod is client side

[round sinew]

check ReLight; most mods never affect other player's experiences when in multiplayer

about messing with discoveries, please see <#nms-modding message>

[tiny linden]

Hello! Does anyone know how to unlock the XO suit (Xbox preorder helmet) using nomnom? Couldn't get goatfungas working on my PC unfortunately:(

[lean prairie]

Did you install java run time? its necessary for goatfungus to work. i never used nomnom so idk, but with goatfungus its simple

[foggy bison]

So basically mods don't affect discovery except for the one that REALLY shouldn't

that's.... annoying

[lean prairie]

ive been using better planet generation for a while and my discoveries are intact

it will reset them if you uninstall it i think

because the planet generation will change

[foggy bison]

I'm just talking about the base lights though

the ones you can build

[tiny linden]

Yeah I got it to run but I can't find my save. It always just shows a default user folder with no save. Nom nom just finds it automatically.

[lean prairie]

thats odd, goatfungus finds my saves automatically for me

[solid hawk]

Might be closer to what you're looking for: https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1600

[lean prairie]

i just click open game slot

[tiny linden]

I am on PC game pass if that makes a difference

[lean prairie]

and its there

oh, it might then cause your save path is different

than steams

just open it manually then?

at the top File -> Open

find your save file

[tiny linden]

I'm not very "pc" centric so I'm not quite sure who's to find it

[lean prairie]

give me a moment

[foggy bison]

And it shouldn't mess with online functionality?

[lean prairie]

@tiny linden

hit WIN + R

input %localappdata% hit enter

then follow the path above

[tiny linden]

Thanks!

[lean prairie]

once you got it, hit account tab and just check it all

[solid hawk]

With NMS, mods are local. Changes are made to copies of the game files on your system, these aren't synced.

[lean prairie]

to claim twitch rewards, be in offline mode or they wont show up

[solid hawk]

Nope

[foggy bison]

So wait what happens if I go to someone's base that has modded parts and i don't have the mods installed?

[lean prairie]

u wont see em

[solid hawk]

Correct

[lean prairie]

unless those parts are modded vanilla parts, in which case youll see vanilla parts

[solid hawk]

That's the vast majority of NMS mods

[foggy bison]

I see

thanks

[lean prairie]

ye i figured itd be easier to edit a vanilla part than to create a whole new one

didnt get any base part mods so i wasnt sure

[solid hawk]

Same with mods that add "new" parts to the build menu. Only those with that same mod installed can see.

[tiny linden]

So items you unlock with save editors only show up in offline mode correct? So say your online runs are safe from corruption after too much tampering?

[lean prairie]

no no no

twitch rewards only show up when offline

the rest works online

[tiny linden]

Oooo gotcha

[lean prairie]

goes without saying close the game first

[scarlet locust]

so question about twitch drops and offline mode... how exactly does offline mode work? does disabling multiplayer count as offline mode or is there something im missing?

[lean prairie]

nah

if youre on Steam for example

launch it in offline mode

that's enough

[scarlet locust]

oh gotcha, so if i were to go back to online mode after claiming the twitch drops, would i still have them or would they just vanish?

[lean prairie]

youll have what you claimed

that wont disappear

but they wont show up at the anomaly terminal for rewards

while youre online

[scarlet locust]

ok, thanks for the answer 👍

[lean prairie]

only goes for twitch rewards though, if you unlock expedition rewards with save editor, you can claim those online, once per save

just like you would without save editing

as for offline mode -

[scarlet locust]

yeah i know, i just wanted to make sure of what i was supposed to do instead of blindly fumbling around and (probably) breaking things

[lean prairie]

yeah bottom line is, left column can be claimed online

right column offline

some of those things in right column are items you can buy normally for quicksilver, i think they're in twitch rewards cause they didnt cost any quicksilver as part of the twitch drops

[foggy bison]

Do I put the .pak file or the .lua file in the MODS folder or both?

[lean prairie]

.pak only

the luas are scripts that you can compile to solve conflicts between mods

there's a tool for it, @solid hawk knows more about that more than i do, i never used it

there's a whole nexus page that gives a detailed tutorial

i just pick mods i know wont conflict cause it looks like a pain in the ass

[scarlet locust]

dear god three pages of twitch multi tools 😟

SEVEN PAGES OF SHIPS

[lean prairie]

yeah theres a lot

[scarlet locust]

thats putting it mildly lmao

and why are there so many fireworks???

[fresh arch]

New mod released: https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/3007

[lean prairie]

idk i discard that shit

[scarlet locust]

ah whatever to my ships massive cargo they go

[fresh arch]

@timid burrow quick question, where is save data JSON is the section for ship custmization / colour palettes?

[timid burrow]

It should be almost at the bottom of the list: Has a name resembling customization data or something (can’t remember exactly) @pallid obsidian

[solid hawk]

AMUMSS. https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/2626 Not that bad, once you get the hand of it and can use multiple mods that make changes to the same files, check for conflicts, and self-update (not have to wait for mod author).

[odd rock]

?

[lofty granite]

would it be possible to alter the game code to bypass the 16k build limit

[solid hawk]

Only if you want save corruption

That change would need to come from HG

[lofty granite]

that change would need to come soon because we need more giant builds in this game

[fresh arch]

Problem is game can't even load the existing giant assets like planetary archives at once

[hearty wasp]

people'd need to update their PS4 for that to happen

imagine the PS4 loading more than 3k

[fresh arch]

There is no point of increasing the limits on base building if our machines can't render these bigger bases

It ain't magic

[hearty wasp]

great grill material

[fresh arch]

The same bases should render properly for people on all different types of hardware

[lofty granite]

well giant builds cant be uploaded anyway so i guess it would be limited by your computer power

[fresh arch]

True, but we're circling back to hardware issue - your machine needs to be able to render all those extra parts first

[solid hawk]

Keep hope alive. Only been almost 8 years. 🙂

[sharp grotto]

does anyone have an good save editor, and can explain it a littlebit? 😛

[shy grove]

Here's a pin with info about the save editors available for NMS to get you started: #nms-modding message

Disclaimer: during updates, save editors and game mods usually go through a period of potentially being out of date. also, i was told that goatfungus needed an update to work with xbox / gamepass files since the last update so tread with caution.

[vale iron]

I don't think either save editor has updated yet

[sharp grotto]

I tried NOMNOM a few days befor the update, but most options where grayed out...

[ruby crest]

they're yet to add the ship bits and bobs across all editors so just bear that in mind. you *can * however fill their stacks

[keen trail]

Hello any working mod that removes trade routes in space? The one I used has not been updated since aug 2019 and doesn’t work

[fresh arch]

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1150 - get LUA for this mod, run it though AMUMSS to generate a version for current game

!faq-modding

[hardy aurora]

to view, enable Link Preview

<:NmsAtlas:972222451801010207> Helpful links and tips for Modding

• [How to enable and install mods:](#nms-modding message) #nms-modding message

• Learn how to use AMUMSS to compile mods

• [Mods do work in Multiplayer:](#nms-modding message) #nms-modding message

Always check the correct path and contents of the MODS folder! Example Image »

• Game updates can break mods - check if your mods have been updated: https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky?tab=updated

If you experience any glitches or bugs, please remove or disable all mods and try again before reporting to HG or asking in #nms-questions.

Contributors: friendlyfirepl, .sohail, Atlas Emissaries

[fresh arch]

2nd link for guide on how to use AMUMSS

[keen trail]

Thanks. I did that but doesn’t seem to work. Will try again

[keen trail]

Maybe I found what’s weird: the lines are gone only in photo mode and if your ship is out of the picture. Is that how it works?

[fresh arch]

Nope

Can you see the difference?

The 1st image has this slight red-ish line going diagonal

And you can see 2 lines on the top of this planet

Since you're using AMUMSS already, run the script to check for conflicts

Make sure you dont have some other mod overwriting the same file, effectively removing the changes from No Trade Routes

[rapid sandal]

TradeRouteColours is in GCAISPACESHIPGLOBALS.GLOBAL.MBIN, so if you have a conflict on that mbin that may be the issue.

[keen trail]

Thanks. I guess that must be the issue. It’s part of a combined pak so I thought it would help but apparently not

[hearty wasp]

it'd only help if the pak has priority over the one obstructing proper function

add more tildes at the beginning of the combined pak's filename

[hearty wasp]

iykyk

[fresh arch]

New mod released: https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/3013

[remote thorn]

I haven't updated to Orbital yet, does anybody know if goatfungus' save editor works with Omega?

[fresh arch]

Are you on Xbox / PC Gamepass?

If so then you shoul use NomNom instead

It was updated to deal with Xbox / PCG specific thing while Goatfungus was not

[remote thorn]

GOG

Forgot to mention that.

[fresh arch]

GoG got the Orbital update

[remote thorn]

Yes but I haven't installed it yet.

I'm waiting for the wave of hotfixes to end, then I'll update, probably.

[fresh arch]

If you're on GoG and on Omega version of the game then any save editor should work fine

[inland lion]

So, am I trippin' or wasn't there supposed to be a mod out there that made it so you would quickly exit your ships? It's taking me like... 2 seconds to exit my ship between the canopy opening and my character hopping out of it... I get that it's supposed to make it feel immersive, but... my gawd.

I know I'm only nitpicking over 2 seconds, but I just... I remember playing the game and it being an instant exit from my ship.

[merry wasp]

updated

[fresh arch]

Can you elaborate? You mean the exit animation took less time?

[inland lion]

I mean, there was no animation.

It was just you exit the ship, and you're immediately outside your ship without the canopy even opening.

If I'm just buggin' out, any chance this could be made INTO a mod?

I don't know enough about coding to do it myself, but it FEELS like it'd be a simple thing...

[solid hawk]

If you can't do it yourself, then it becomes not simple

Try this. Tested fine with one ship. Let me know how it goes for you. Try with all the different ship types, if so desired. 🙂

[lean prairie]

I'm still obediently waiting for DSC and BPG orbital updates

[solid hawk]

DSC?

Is BPG crashing? If there's no crash, other major bug, or changes he wants to make, Woody won't always update BPG for every major game update. He'll skip them, if he can get away with it. Even if he does update, can often times take weeks. There is an Lua package for BPG. Link Stickied in posts on the mod page at NexusMods. Be aware, the additional files to generate the mod (the 34,000 custom ones that don't exist in vanilla) will take up 2.5 GB after extraction. Can delete once the new .pak is generated.

[safe escarp]

Go In third person

I play in third person and I don’t get that

Only when I play in first person I do

[lean prairie]

Well, the new holograms by starship upgrade terminal and multitool upgrade terminal are blindingly bright, like 300000 lumen

THat's the only thing with BPG i noticed

And Dud's Sky Colors

the new space stations need to be updated for it, the lighting is all off and so are the colors

[solid hawk]

Not sure if BPG has anything to do with that. I could be wrong, but don't recall it touching either terminals files.

[lean prairie]

I assumed it does because I saw two posts mentioning it on its page

It could also be DSC for all I know, I didn't try disabling one or the other to test it

It's not that big of a deal

[solid hawk]

Please remind me which the acronym DSC is for.

[lean prairie]

Dud's Sky - Colors

[solid hawk]

Ah, thanks

[lean prairie]

but yeah it seems to work perfectly everywhere but the space stations, obviously, since the last update was 4 days before Orbital

space stations are way darker than vanilla now with weird colors, it looks kinda cool but you can tell it's not the intended look lmao

[solid hawk]

Yeah, I saw they did add some new Hologram properties to certain files, if missing, when needed, might cause odd side-effects.

[lean prairie]

Yeah I only assumed its BPG cause I've seen people commenting on it about it, but it makes more sense to me that DSC would be the cause

[steel crypt]

DSC and BPG mess with color palettes. These will be broken.

[lean prairie]

DSC seems to work fine except for the new space stations obviously

I haven't noticed any jankiness outside of them, but it could be subtle, idk

Please update

[solid hawk]

I didn't think of that, if using non updated .pak files, would be missing some of the new station specific palettes

[lofty granite]

Is there a way to change exocraft wheels to be cylindrical instead of being spherical

[solid hawk]

Suppose it depends how good you are at Blender

[rigid gust]

Hey guys! I'm having an issue with the default sky textures/lighting effects, specifically on star auras being weirdly cut off in a square bounding box. Seems its a bug on HG's end. Anyway, until that's fixed, I was looking at mods that would overhaul/replace the default night sky appearance, and basically do nothing else (Small lighting tweaks otherwise--totally okay)

Anyone know of such a mod, especially one that's been updated for Orbital (Or seems active?)

[lean prairie]

DUD's Sky - Colors, no Orbital update yet, but it works, only the lighting inside Space Stations is a bit iffy, but it's really not bad at all

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/968

[rigid gust]

Appreciated! While the sky is... distracting, to say the least, the game is still fully playable in the meantime while I wait for an update

[lean prairie]

There's a description to every .pak file on the mod page, you can choose and peruse what you wanna use, I went with everything except water .paks cause I got a separate mod for it.

[lean prairie]

I dare say that after using DSC, you'll never go back to vanilla.

DSC just offers much more variability in every aspect

[rigid gust]

I'm basically a complete newbie to NMS mods (Though not modding in general). DSC have any noticible performance hit associated with it?

[lean prairie]

Zero, zilch

[rigid gust]

Woo!

I actually should have opened with, I play in VR. I have a fairly beefy rig, but I'm sensitive to performance right now to say the least haha

[lean prairie]

Well to backtrack a little, I don't /know/ if there is a performance hit but I sincerely doubt it, it's not like a ReShade or anything

I haven't noticed a single frame drop by getting it

And if you say you have a beefy rig, you probably have a better one than I do with a 4060 & i5-13500H

So you should be fine

[rigid gust]

7600x and 4070 super

[lean prairie]

Yeah I can't speak to your current performance in VR but I very much doubt you'll notice a decrease

[rigid gust]

Good to know, thank you so much for the help. I look forward to the day the night sky stops being so... square

[lean prairie]

Haha no problem, enjoy. There are installation instructions at the bottom of the page, modding NMS is simple, it's just drag&drop (exceptions being conflicting mods where you have to use a certain tool to merge them but I didnt have to use it yet)

[wintry dew]

does anyone know if there is a way to use JSON to learn all words instead of just normal NomNom

[steel crypt]

@lean prairie @rigid gust DSC does not negatively affect performance. With most DSC mods, performance will match vanilla. A few will have better performance than vanilla.
FYI I will update as soon as I can. Life is busy right now.

[lean prairie]

I figured as much, but good to have a confirmation from the man himself 👍

And yeah no problem at all, life naturally comes first

[rigid gust]

No rush! Like Gus said, life comes first. Just knowing it's an option in the future is enough for me!

[lofty granite]

how would you extract the files though

[fresh arch]

https://stepmodifications.org/wiki/NoMansSky:The_Modding_Basics - extracting and decompiling files

[delicate trail]

how to use save editor?

[delicate trail]

why I select save path but see "save path (none)"?

[lime mesa]

i dont understand this? where can i find mods to install in the first place

ty

[hearty wasp]

#nms-modding message first link

[fresh arch]

You are on PC Gamepass / Xbox, right?

Goatfungus' save editor was not updated to deal with PCG / Xbox specific issue

Use NomNom SE instead

[delicate trail]

right

thanks

[rustic mantle]

well I was directed here because I asked for a way to skip the timegates in the starbirth quest

so what mods do I need for it?

[hearty wasp]

search "timer" on Nexus

[median thicket]

Do not check LabelLocID for shuttle cockpits, worst mistake of my life

Now i can't stop laughing

[fresh arch]

Wait till you see the reward object for scrapping a ship fuselage

[median thicket]

Fighters call it BODY

Why are shuttles different

[median thicket]

SHUTT

[fresh arch]

Not what I meant

As for "why HG did stuff that way", the universal answer is

🤷‍♂️

[vale iron]

"Because HG"

[fresh arch]

New version of Exotic Starship Fabricator is in the works. This time featuring functional colour picker option!

Also yes, the 5 fixed vanilla colour options for guppy exotics will also be available

[magic lava]

Request for Freighter Fabricator

[fresh arch]

There might be a slight problem with flying off from space station with it

[magic lava]

I don't want to hear about problems, just solutions

[fresh arch]

I dont recall you being my project manager

[magic lava]

[summer socket]

Can you save edit ps5 nms?

[brazen nymph]

following idea for a Freighter Fabricator: just have the Freighter be Fabricated in deep space