nms-spoilers

[icy citrus]

I really really hope so

I want more Abyss, have for years

[mental socket]

What else could have such effect on those NPCs. Those follow Atlas's protocol and are even denied from saying the word 16

Only thing I can imagine would be Abyss since it's a similar force to the Atlas

Nothing else could have such a large effect on Atlas operated entities

well the damn thing even infested buildings and entore planets so...

[icy citrus]

Yeah, and as we know it specifically says it's capable of influencing even the most faithful to its cause... Sentinels?

[coral halo]

how do i edit in all previous rewards?

[icy citrus]

Ask in #nms-modding

[coral halo]

thanks

[eternal radish]

What would happen if the Abyss influenced Sentinels? Would that get them on the Blight's side?

Tbh I don't know a lot about the Abyss and such since I'm pretty new to NMS compared to Gleam for example and I haven't datamined nearly as much 😅

[icy citrus]

The Abyss already does imo

[eternal radish]

But Atlas too

[icy citrus]

That's why we have the separate branch of them with Sentinels, and also where I think the corrupted ones come from

[eternal radish]

I guess Atlas is more dominant in them.

Maybe we'll have more Sentinels allies like Laylaps.

[icy citrus]

My theory is that the Abyss is the designed backup OS for the Atlas failing

And that's what Atlas has been trying to figure out and stop

[eternal radish]

Now I really want to see the Atlas fail lmao 😅

That will be an 180 turn for the whole NMS universe.

No Man's Sky - - - > [GLASS] Sky

Or No Man's [GLASS glass GLASS]

[sterile smelt]

No mans glass

[gusty stream]

Will the final minutes of the universe be

Some sort of divine conflict between Abyss and Atlas?

[eternal radish]

Hmmm 🤔

[frigid rune]

alright

how do i reset the universe

i chose not to now idfk how to reset it

i want the milestone lol

[heady wyvern]

Unfortunately, you've passed up the opportunity for good. You can try passing through the Core, but it won't give you the event from the Artemis Path.

[frigid rune]

:(

[raw pecan]

weird that it lets you perma-miss a cheevo like that

[frigid rune]

not really?

since you can just run through on a new save

[raw pecan]

I've still got a save on the last step before the purge for galaxy hopping, let me check something rq

[frigid rune]

ig it's like one of those choose your own adventure things where you cant get everything

[raw pecan]

it'd be one thing if there was an achievement for both decisions

one but not the other is the weird thing

[raw pecan]

"I refuse. The Atlas allows me to leave. The offer remains open to me, should I wish to take it."
I'd be honestly very curious if the manual reset triggers it anyways

[mental socket]

Hmmm, aren't corrupted sentinels the work of Abyss? Or were they ever explained?

[subtle gorge]

The hive lore said a lot about the sentinels in general iirc

As far as I remember the sentinels rn are relatively distant from the atlas and what they're trying to do is more in line with the abyss

[worldly epoch]

"Already learned", it says.

drives me insane i just wanna know what they mean :(

[uncut harness]

Here's my wild theory about pirates and the the Blighted Expedition, completely mine and I am fully aware there's probably gaping holes (hehe) but here's my bullshit theory anyway.
Blighted expedition has us chasing the trail of a group of pirates across the universe before having to head through the galactic core and travel to a new galaxy.
Along the way we fight off sentinels, steal sentinel technology and find treasures left behind by The Blight that were intended for someone to return back to and collect but they never did. I believe "The Blight" is early day Korvax that we read about through game lore before they abandoned the universe after "correcting" the Gek First Spawn and fighting limitless rounds of Sentinels.
The expedition we are doing right now is an echo of that time.

i need image permitiones

[tame grotto]

Will repost for you for now till you get to Level 5 (Familiar role, see #roles-information or type !RoleHelp in #bot-spam for more info on xp )

[uncut harness]

ok

whast the thing with the atlas changing every time

[frank gale]

I'm not sure

[uncut harness]

also whats with the 16

[frank gale]

I know, however, that those three figures are the Gek, Korvax, and Vy'Keen, the stories of which are repeated over and over again across many universes

[uncut harness]

like how can sayng 16 kill the god

[uncut harness]

yep

[frank gale]

the marketed number for the number of planets in NMS is:
18446744073709551616
in lore, the Atlas has 16 minutes left until its destruction, but within the universes it made the destruction will take eternity

[heady wyvern]

16, to my understanding, is basically shorthand for the mortality of the universe

[uncut harness]

hm but how is the god dyng

[frank gale]

black hole

[uncut harness]

sucked by a black hole?

[frank gale]

yep

[uncut harness]

but

didnt he make em

[heady wyvern]

Within the game-universe, the Atlas is god. In the Atlas's own origin universe, it is just a machine.

[uncut harness]

and how did he get sucked

[uncut harness]

o

[frank gale]

the entire universe we inhabit in NMS is ||a simulation||

[uncut harness]

good lore juce

[uncut harness]

i know

[heady wyvern]

An incredibly complex and powerful processing machine, but a machine nonetheless.

[uncut harness]

yaaa

who made the atlas stations?

can anyone just link me a no man sky lore video

[heady wyvern]

The Atlas, presumably.

[uncut harness]

how did he know to fit them with the compatible landing spots

[heady wyvern]

Because it's responsible, to some degree, for the ships that land on them.

The Atlas Stations are a designated interface with the Atlas system itself.

[uncut harness]

ok

[heady wyvern]

The universe itself is Atlas, but the Atlas Stations are the places where Atlas can hear you

[frank gale]

and the station cores apparently ahem

[uncut harness]

the cores is atlas?

[heady wyvern]

They're another Atlas subroutine, from what I've seen from that quest.

[frank gale]

if you have a look at them, they have a surveillance link connected to the Atlas/Aerons (sentinels)

[uncut harness]

fair

now just to warp around and get all the glyth

btw

why dont the tier 2 stars have no stations

[heady wyvern]

@uncut harness Uncharted. No civilized races have been there.

[uncut harness]

why not

[heady wyvern]

@uncut harness Universe is a big place, and you needed some advanced tech to get there yourself.

[dense marlin]

I wish someone would sell unused maxed out ships

[thorn lark]

I just scrap most of my unused ships.. gets me ship parts I can give out in the anomaly

[tepid iris]

heh we need to travel to the galactic core in this expedition?

interesting

hmm I can't seem to select the core altho my hyperdrive is full?

[native vortex]

the drone calling itself Laylaps seems a lot more significant than I thought

the base stuff also refers to it, vastly before the sentinel ally

interesting

[uncut harness]

Yep, a small amount but interesting lore for Laylaps.

[tepid iris]

selected it

was a bit buggy lol

[ember scaffold]

So does everyone's sentry call itself Laylaps? Somehow I thought it was a random name for each player 😞

[loud thistle]

lol

[obsidian shuttle]

I… i am at the moment i have to mine cadmium but

I feel like i sounded like the « what the f*ck » parrot a lot of times

[heady wyvern]

"Laylaps" is a significant name in the lore. Don't remember how, but they figure in the greater picture.

[sturdy sorrel]

i know it sounds dumb but the sentinel updates lore especially the comment about the water, implies a universe reset is going to happen very very soon, possibly even replacing sentinels with something

[rough depot]

A universe reset on the scale of the Atlas Rises to Next reset will never happen again, it would displace potentially millions of player bases

They may totally do something similar to origins again though

[raw pecan]

the fact that the only thing seperating Galaxies 1-256 from 257+ is "a bit of code that tells it to loop", I've always low key thought that if they ever decide to go for another massive procgen/whatever overhaul they'd just tweak things so "this only applies to Yilsrussimil and above" and start new players there or something

[native holly]

Wait what happened from Atlas Rises to Next

[raw pecan]

the fact that this expedition started people off in galaxy 89 instead of euclid kind of jives with their willingness to "jump" people like that, too

[rough depot]

entire universe got wiped and new planets got generated in everythings place

[rough depot]

that would be nice if they did that

[vocal flare]

sorry why am I resetting the simulation again

[sturdy sorrel]

Something story wise is happening

That nanites in the water thing is not a red herring like all the previous lore stuff like first spawn

Its something actively happening on a massive scale that is going to have some kind of effect on the game later

The way its worded is that the sentinels are escaping the simulation somehow

Or trying to

Which implies that at some point the sentinels will be removed or "escape" from no mans sky and some other threat will take its place

If i were to take a long shot. Id argue that they will tie up the hidden first spawn and sentinel escape plotlines in one swoop.

The sentinels leave and the void/abyss mother with them. Which gives the first spawn the opportunity to use the nanites in the water across the universe to radically change huge swathes of lesser gek into first spawn again. Becoming the main aggressive force.

Infact i wouldnt be shocked if the combat updates and sentinel lore updates were to set the stage for this event.

[frank gale]

ehhhhhh

kinda impossible to escape the black hole

they think they can escape but can't

[sturdy sorrel]

Its just weirdly similar what the korvax did to the first spawn gek with nanites and now nanites are being put into the water across the galaxy

[sturdy sorrel]

I dunno, would feel weird to be hinting towards all this but it would just lead to nothing

Like this isnt like plot from before the start of the game this is major behind the scenes info happening during the course of the game

[frank gale]

still haven't seen consequences of the destruction of the anomaly

[sturdy sorrel]

Its distinct from other lore in that its an active force happening rather than past events

I think something is going to happen

[frank gale]

perhaps

I don't see a studio like HG being able to churn that out

would be pleasantly surprised if they did

[sturdy sorrel]

I feel HG is the last studio one should argue to be unable or unwilling to pull something off

But to add more crack to my crackpot theory

If all this ive said were to be true. They could feed the space station ownership thing they've been teasing into it

[frank gale]

I feel the overrides will have a use soon

one can now legitimately get them from outlaw missions

[sturdy sorrel]

i know but hear me out

instead of thousands of players fighting over space stations, its instead about the return of the first spawn taking over millions of space stations across the galaxy

and its a giant faction war, where you use those overrides after clearing out the first spawn to take the station and the system back for the alliance (the main races plus the anomally).

so its a huge accumulative effort

sort of an invasion update of sorts

[frank gale]

perhaps

could be interesting

[sturdy sorrel]

it feels like a very interesting way to tie all the plot points the gave has been drip feeding us together in a very nice package

[frank gale]

I just want factions update

[sturdy sorrel]

honestly what would be interesting is if this update were real, ALL space stations were taken over by first spawn except outlaw stations

so it actually be a huge community effort to clean the first spawn out of the universe, and give a long term community goal of sorts to the game

maybe a way to close out the game or something ,or just the next step in an "arc" of sorts

because regardless of the lifespan of the game, a goal like that would never be completable in any players lifetime

the game would be long dead before such a goal that 100% first spawn genocide was met

again its all crackpot theory crafting

https://tenor.com/view/the-question-question-faceless-detective-noir-gif-17542996

[uncut harness]

The Abyss is a secondary simulation similar to Atlas that's been assumed is another universe simulation. The Abyss and Atlas are both "colliding" which in this instance is data becoming corrupt and merging together.
We are definitely seeing that happening in game now and your theory regarding First Spawn is solid if you trade out First Spawn for The Abyss.

I very much believe we will get an update where The Abyss will be attempting to take over space stations.

[frank gale]

well the atlas and abyss can go shove it

[uncut harness]

😎

[sturdy sorrel]

honestly i feel the abyss and sentinels attempt to escape the atlas will be successful and the power vaccum and nanite charged fluids across the universe will be used to bring about the second rise of the first spawn. either way i feel something is going to happen that will shake up the game as a whole

[uncut harness]

I am very excited to see what happens next.

[sturdy sorrel]

nanite charged fluids were what the korvax used to change the gek into their current state

while its a fallacy, i see no reason why the remaining first spawn which are confirmed to exist in hiding couldnt use that to revert the "damage" to their race

[uncut harness]

I like the way you think and it really would work well in game.

[frank gale]

I think Ditto's idea works better

something's happening with the space stations

[uncut harness]

Space Stations are the quickest way to control an area of space with minimum effort.

[sturdy sorrel]

lets say the abyss leaves and takes the collective ai force of the sentinels with it, given that the abyss is an AI controlling the sentinels its very likely they function similar to the korvax in that its all a shared converged entity using shells.
IF they were to leave, the shells would be left behind, and the first spawn would use them for their offensive force, having learned the first time from the korvax, ontop of these physical first spawn operatives would be on the offensive as well leading to the first race based opponent

[uncut harness]

👌

I love it.

[sturdy sorrel]

its a way to not remove whats already there but add onto it in a very unique way

[rough depot]

I always assumed the abyss was basically just a computer virus

[sturdy sorrel]

the abyss is what was left from the great disconnect when korvax prime was destroyed

its implied that it took control of the sentinels (then called the aerons) and made them into the offensive force it was

its pissed, and its trying to escape the atlas, as our little drone buddy was all too keen to reveal

and its perfect timing considering the controller AI of the atlas, Telamon, is stuck in our exosuit

nothing is in its way to achieve its goals

[rough depot]

One thing I have gathered recently is it seems that space stations, or at least the core of the space station, is some type of sentinel

[sturdy sorrel]

it is, or some kind of remainder of the original Aeron force

as its non-hostile even when its own safety is at stake and is able to be taken over

in any case it is not connected to the abyss

[rough depot]

It would explain why every space station is nearly identical, why the core spits out text about glass when you interact with it in an outlaw station, and why you instantly get a wanted level 4 when attacking a station even though they cannot take damage

[sturdy sorrel]

my theory is a massive longshot, but it covers every aspect of whats going on behind the scenes in the story, while tieing up many loose ends in the lore

[rough depot]

Also the expedition dropped the fact that NPCs can use portals now which I don’t think was ever possible

I remember some lore going as far to say the portals were not perceivable to the NPCs

[sturdy sorrel]

i like the first part of this, because the logic adds credence to my point

the abyss is trying to escape, its a desperate attempt to save itself from the dying atlas that is soon to become its tomb

and its going to leave and not look back, which is where the fragments of the first spawn come in to use their mark on the water across the universe

[frank gale]

attempt to

I'm not sure how one escapes a black hole

[sturdy sorrel]

i think it will succeed, its building up to actual results

[frank gale]

anyways not important

[sturdy sorrel]

its not important but even so, the abyss very well might have found a way

i think this isnt building up to a farce, its going to pull it off

its just too well defined yet hidden to be mere nonsense

we tend to forget that nms logic isnt exactly consistant with real world logic anyway, so such a method powered by the dying echoes of an entire race of computers might have found it

[frank gale]

so why do we keep laylaps around when it's secretly a murdering douche

[sturdy sorrel]

because at the very least its more than kind enough to brag about its plans

just like all the lore in the nms universe, we're fully aware of whats going on

its possible with the first silence, the sentinels lost the aerons innate ability to access the world of glass

the abyss may be trying to access this to escape the atlas and therefor its impending death

[uncut harness]

Laylaps is/was the first Traveller (possibly only) to return from "The World Of Glass".

[sturdy sorrel]

the abyss is trying to live in the world of glass possibly

thats its escape point

[frank gale]

correction: laylaps was a drone that accompanied that traveller

[sturdy sorrel]

from the world of glass its safe, and all the dying echos of the great disconnect can be maintained forever

[uncut harness]

Ah yes! Very correct.

[sturdy sorrel]

this is why all the sentinels are trying to escape the atlas as its dying, the world of glass is the archive of the atlas, but if it can just carve its way into the archive it can preserve itself even after the atlas is long dead

its like a blast wall of sorts albiet on a reality level scale

[sullen hornet]

i thought the world of glass was a euphemism for computer screens/monitors, as a meta reference to reality

[sturdy sorrel]

however once the sentinels are gone, theres a small chance the atlas might survive, or at the very least its death as the player puts it. the atlas isnt going to actually be dead until an eternity in their time

[sturdy sorrel]

the world of glass is the archive of the atlas.

[sullen hornet]

yea the real world

[sturdy sorrel]

the aerons used it to preserve life

as they could originally put things in it

the aerons were the original form of the sentinels

[sullen hornet]

atlas is the game engine

i thought of it like that at least

game=simulation

[sturdy sorrel]

i dont think its meta like that

the atlas is a universe simulation in the games "universe"

[sullen hornet]

the arg was pretty blatant with it lol

[sturdy sorrel]

i guess, but the point is the world of glass is some sort of blackbox system

[sullen hornet]

do we think it could be a physical place we might eventually gain access too

well in game

[sturdy sorrel]

well its supposed to be the "after life"

problem is the korvax for generations functionally bypassed that with korvax prime

and the abyss is korvax prime still alive. its possible that its trying to escape to the world of glass

it rejected the afterlife and is going to pay the price unless its plan to escape the atlas, presumably to that succeeds

[sullen hornet]

i like the idea of the world of glass just being microsoft windows

i remember someone in here saying that a while ago

[sturdy sorrel]

you know it sort of hit me....

the outlaw core screams about glass

and somehow these pirates were able to override it

what if the station core was forcibly reconnected to the abyss

[sullen hornet]

windows defender protecting against piracy

[sturdy sorrel]

and its ai and function was stripped to be used for more sentinels

thats why the voice of "freedom" is talking about glass. its just a sentinel echo screaming about its goal to get to the world of glass

[late tusk]

i too want this update. been waiting since sean showed it at E3

outlaws is a step forward i guess

[dense marlin]

I doubt it will get any further

[kindred stump]

when is the update which fixes the profits on black market goods coming out

[uncut harness]

It's Bank holiday weekend here in the UK. I imagine Hello Games isn't working today.

My guess is tomorrow or Wednesday.

[tall orbit]

what galaxy does the current expedition start in? I know we end up in #89.

[icy citrus]

You end in 90

Umirpaiya ->>> Paholiang

[tall orbit]

hmm, okay. Thanks.

[uncut harness]

aaaa

[kindred stump]

the mission im doiing rn wants me to use a passport, will that reset my reputation completely??? i have 9/9 and dont want to lose that

[mighty rampart]

it only resets when you're in the negatives, but not for positive (and if you had positive standing but not 9/9, you'd get more standing points)

[kindred stump]

oohhh

thankyou

[prisma oak]

🎉

[finite lake]

spoiler question: what happens if i tell atlas that i want to die? i don't wanna lose my save so i'm afraid to test

[frank gale]

you won't die

well actually idk

[icy citrus]

You won't, it's ok

[finite lake]

i already answered no, just wanted to know what happens. searched the internet and nobody talks about it

[icy citrus]

Same thing as the others

[finite lake]

thanks

[rancid pivot]

got a question but it involves talking about the center of the galaxy so i assume it goes here

center of the galaxy takes you to the next galaxy in the list...how does this work with the expeditions? the latest one gives what i assume is a planet name for the blighted, "Issh 77/R6"

if that's a planet, i assume its only in one galaxy...and afaik you cant go backwards, once you move to a new galaxy you cant go back

how does this work exactly?

[icy citrus]

You can go back, if you have a base or a friend, or find someone to take you back.

[rancid pivot]

oh.........wiki's hella out of date then

[icy citrus]

Aye

[rancid pivot]

😔

also i just noticed it says 'blighted expedition will be converted to a normal mode save'

which reminded me there's a seperate community event thing you can pick whne starting a new game, so

[past sand]

You can go back anytime. Just hop in a teleporter and go back to a space station/base in the other galaxy.

The current expedition is not Euclid, the 1st galaxy. Expeditions are also set in a totally separate universe than other saves.

In fact, every difficulty gets its own universe. If you're playing in permadeath for example, you'll be in a universe with only other permadeath players.

Also, planets share glyphs between galaxies. That's why you MUST be in your intended galaxy before inputting glyphs into a portal.

IE: you could use the same glyph address in different galaxies and it would send you to roughly the same area relative to that galaxy.

Like if you have glyphs to a system in the center of the Euclid galaxy, putting those glyphs into a Calypso portal will also put you very close to the center of that galaxy.

[prisma oak]

DOOM

[prisma oak]

How do I keep Apollo alive? Do I give him the glyphs or not?

[vestal ledge]

How funny would it be if you chose to die and it actually wiped your save?

[frank gale]

you give him the goddamn glyphs

[prisma oak]

Okay then

[uncut harness]

How long does it take to get to that point lol

[dense marlin]

What happens when u birth a star in nms

[eternal radish]

You get a new star

[quick plover]

How different are the beliefs of the Vy’keen and the pirates?

Both believe in rebelling against the Sentinels, right?

[eternal radish]

Vy’Keen still abide a honour code and Hirk, pirates don’t really do that as far as I’m concerned.

[silk stratus]

Wish we get actual npcs we can attack and loot on planets

[dense marlin]

Have u heard of animals

?

[prisma oak]

It's the final act of the Atlas Path

[rancid pivot]

can you uninstall technology?

wrong chat

[quick plover]

Thanks

[boreal ermine]

So, lore-wise...what are the exotic and mega-exotic worlds supposed to be?

Like...experiments? Glitches? Unintended behaviour?

Broken code?

System instability?

[frank gale]

instability

[boreal ermine]

Ah...

Due to Atlas or something else?

[serene nebula]

so after I went to the center for the expedition did it just send me to a random galaxy?

[frank gale]

sent you to the next one

[serene nebula]

was i in euclid?

[candid lark]

no you werent

the expedition is in one of the others

theres 255 galaxies

[fiery kernel]

I say there is 161616 galaxys ;)

[serene nebula]

ah ok so they are just seeding people

[fiery kernel]

Makes sense to have 161616 galaxys

[candid lark]

the entire background to the lore is that the whole thing is actually a simulation. Each galaxy is a reset of that simulation.

[cloud scroll]

how did you get there?

[serene nebula]

I went to the map and like, scrolled my mouse forward and then held the button

and it zoomed out for a while and said new galaxy found

I've never actually been to the center before via story

[candid lark]

One of the things thats always grabbed me is that when you first tell Nada about Artemis, he tells you that Artemis is "trapped in the data-fall (data-fail?) between worlds"

[frank gale]

world of glass

[candid lark]

See, I've been thinking about the whole Simulation thing - ATLAS is basically the Matrix but on a galactic scale. What we are seeing i the atlas dying, and boundary failures are an indication of what boil down to bad RAM

[frank gale]

it's suggested that something in the real world is destroying the atlas
a black hole

[candid lark]

A boundary failure occurs as a result of attempting to address invalid memory space

What we are seeing is the outlaws/rebels trying to hasten the death of the Atlas - this is basically Neo and the gang, and they have discovered that by reverting to the real world, they can begin to destroy it from the outside- this also happened in The Matrix

[frank gale]

a black hole wouldn't be a very nice thing to be next to

[candid lark]

In this case, the Atlas is so big it needs a black hole to destroy it

[frank gale]

the atlas' planet is having a black hole destroy it

[candid lark]

The truth is, we dont actually know what going inside a black hole would do - there are theories due to the massive gravimetric forces exerted

[frank gale]

bad news bears I would assume

[candid lark]

but yeah, with the outlaws, we have the chance to become one of Neo's crew effectively, and kill the sentinels (Agents) inside the Atlas simulation

Its also why theres 255 available galaxies but effectively 256 as a bug of sorts

because 255 is the maximum number in binary

but theres always 256 values in binary as zero counts

In some ways, this game is geekery of the highest sort

which helps, because i'm a huge computer geek

[icy citrus]

Shoulda been saying Maths Maths Maths, not glass glass glass

[candid lark]

I've run linux since 1996 on all my home systems, and can program in a few different languages. I was writing computer text RPG's at 8 years old in BASIC

and yes, I game on Xbox

I dont actually game on my linux PC's

I used to

i'm also the founder and head mod of /r/archlinux

[eternal radish]

Well 16 x 16 = 256 so it should make sense to have 256. Idk why there are just 255 then.

[eternal radish]

Artemis also talked about creatures with "seeds of glass into their skin".

[quick plover]

It’s hilarious that there’s a pirate bounty where you deliver First Spawn relics. I was thinking “racist Gek piece of shit” as I was handing them over lmao

[mental socket]

Hmm, no new quicksilver rewards?

[indigo smelt]

Because there is a hidden galaxy that is unreachable unless you get a taxi by a player who is there, Odyalutai.

You're not meant to be there, but it exists.

[eternal radish]

A galaxy only for the VIP’s 😉

[mental socket]

I remember it was reachable back in the day via vanilla means

[eternal radish]

Why is it closed off?

[mental socket]

Was it Atlas Rises or NEXT that cut some of those last galaxies

complete mystery

[indigo smelt]

Atlas Rises according to the wiki.,

[eternal radish]

There should be lore stuff about this.

Odyalutai being the Area 51 of NMS

[indigo smelt]

I would love to have lore on galaxies, Hilbert and Eissentam have the same lore.

Devs should add more to other galaxies, even if its small stuff.

[eternal radish]

It should be a quest to reach the hidden galaxy 🤔

Maybe some relic from the QS merchant that takes you there

[indigo smelt]

You might even be able to use the random lore generator and fix it to the galaxies post Euclid? Sure, galaxy 100 may not get handcrafted lore, but its lore is still pegged to the galaxy you are in.

As long as there are galactic hotspots and limited human resources, the devs need to pay attention to the places where players are.

I doubt anything beyond galaxy 10 will get handcrafted content, and I mean ever.

[icy citrus]

#nms-questions

[uncut harness]

Uhm

So at the end of expedition

Is the relic gateway supposed to || bring me back to expedition starting system || ?

Cause that's fucking hillarious

IT IS

[craggy plover]

@uncut harness the Portal you go to for the pirates? || that portal leads to system closest to center of galaxy so you can finish the expedition ||

[uncut harness]

I'm || past that, in the next galaxy ||

[craggy plover]

Oh I stink

[uncut harness]

But if you take the relic gateway there, || you will go back to starting system of the expedition ||

Lmao

[craggy plover]

Relic gateways are random encounters I thought?

[half blaze]

Uhm the relic gate isn't part of the expedition?

🤨

[uncut harness]

Yes but these are scripted

[half blaze]

I didn't run into a relic gate

[uncut harness]

If you pulse in a system, you get the random encounters in pre-determined order

[craggy plover]

I honestly got to the center, built a base on the planet that it put me on to complete the expedition, and called it a day 🤣

[craggy plover]

I've never seen a relic gateway. You're my first. Thanks

[half blaze]

I do be aware what a relic gate is, and I can say that's not part of the expedition otherwise there'd be a mission for it

[muted moth]

make a bse in the new galaxy FIRST. or you will not complete the expedition

bypass the relic gate if it's goign to move you out of the galaxy. for real.

relic gate is a random event, not part of what you need.

[half blaze]

Tho it actually working and taking you to a new galaxy would make getting to rendezvous very inconvenient

[uncut harness]

I know relic gate aint a part of the expedition

But it's fucking hillarious that it does what it does

I was wondering if anyone else tried it out

And where they went with it

[muted moth]

another fine mess on the part of hg's procgen...

they really need npcs for all of these bugs

like

you arrive at the crashed freighter and it's half in a v volcano

an npc gek walks up to you and says "psst, I can help: go to the anomaly and visit the featured base X, after goign to the space station here. reset this mission. see you later. "

I guess for the relic an incoming transmisson should tell you "don't. do. it. "

but then some people just would out of contrariness 😄

[craggy plover]

I had my crashed frieghter spawn in a volcano tooooo!!!! I had to take a jump to a base from the anomaly and reset the mission🤣

[uncut harness]

I think I did that milestone in a system somewhere between RDV1 and 2 systems

And haven't had any issues

Last 3 hours were just getting a decent hyperdrive for my ship

[obsidian shuttle]

... here I am

[obsidian shuttle]

Must we end on a high security planet for the last portal?

[obsidian shuttle]

Anyway

[fathom notch]

i just realised that the strange "glass glass glass" strings can be converted into bytes

like, single bytes
"ggGGgggG" is 00110001, or 'P'

also i find it interesting that.. i guess the cult? of freedom that's been rising is interesting in that its core premise is not a rejection but a redirection of the Atlas lie

a new star is born but you are not to see it
becomes
a new star is promised and you will have it

[rocky ginkgo]

Why do travelers think the Atlas lies? So far I can't see it has lied to me

[uncut harness]

The story in this game is sad

Yet also very interesting

I like the thought that travellers kinda "broke" the simulation and can see things from other dimensions entirely

[tame perch]

@grand frigate you misunderstood

[grand frigate]

Didn’t -null- get themselves killed by the atlas? They went though the same situation as we did (resetting the galaxy)

[knotty mountain]

So the whole thing with anomalies is that they're said to be beings from another universe ie our irl universe

[tame perch]

He wasnt specifically killed, but got reset/wiped

[knotty mountain]

But like perses and ariadne are from a different universe than ours

They even talk about it in their dialogue

Like hesperus and gemini, their dialogue is my favorite and perfectly explains this

[grand frigate]

Hm ok

I guess I took it too literal when null said we were the same

[knotty mountain]

Most if not all of those travellers don't remember much from their original universe tho, that's why the anomaly is different

[icy citrus]

We are all Artemis

Yw

[rocky ginkgo]

I always thought that the Atlas was created to protect all life for eternity, a way of granting everything immortality and it runs millions of billions of different simulations which are now all breaking and merging which is why you can see other travellers

[knotty mountain]

We are farmers, bumddumbumbbumbbumbum

[rocky ginkgo]

Each traveler is supposed to travel and map out the simulation they're in

[tame perch]

Also, notice this: null broke rules and corrupted the atlas by breaking boundaries

We, the player, can warp between simulations care free

[knotty mountain]

Right but the reason why the anomaly is different is that the anomaly remembers the before time and that's why all the tutorial NPCs are always saying things like "you remember me right?"

[rocky ginkgo]

And the Atlas actively wants us to right? Which is interesting

[knotty mountain]

The atlas has no control over the anomaly because the anomaly remembers, this is why Atlas hates the anomaly

It's like the matrix

[rocky ginkgo]

The Atlas doesn't hate us though am I right in thinking?

[knotty mountain]

We know we're in a sim so we are not bound to it's rules

The Atlas is afraid of us

Hence the screaming at the end of the story

[rocky ginkgo]

He seems to be friendly in the Atlas Path

[grand frigate]

I still never figured out why the atlas decided to stop speaking to null

Why was that

[rocky ginkgo]

Maybe we hold too much power, there's a few anomalies that discuss something big to come

[knotty mountain]

He seems friendly because he's scared and doesn't want us to know

[rocky ginkgo]

After times I think they said

[knotty mountain]

He learned too much

[tame perch]

I honestly still don't get how the anomaly retains memory post reset but somehow we lost it after something

[knotty mountain]

The best lore that explains a lot of this is the boundary failure stations

[rocky ginkgo]

Maybe because the anomaly knows it's in the simulation it's a threat to the existence of the simulation itself as the gek, korvax and vykeen would rebel if they knew and try to get out

Which would mean the atlas can't protect them and keep them living forever

[tame perch]

Hates? -null-, yes. But I never got the feeling that the player is hated

[knotty mountain]

https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Boundary_Failure

Read the entries

[knotty mountain]

I agree it's really more fear than hate

[grand frigate]

I missed a little towards the end cause I got too anxious to complete the main quest lol

Just started spamming through

[tame perch]

I always felt like the first 20 relate to US

While the rest are a re-telling of nulls story

[knotty mountain]

All of the [------] are the Atlas

[tame perch]

But boundary failures are weird, they dont fit the story in a way

As it would make Telamon thee highest "being"

[rocky ginkgo]

Isn't Telamon just a safety protocol created to monitor the Atlas?

[tame perch]

Understanding that the player has power higher than the Atlas, the power to shape reality into what they want via saves

And also breaking the 4th wall

Knowing that the player is a player: the character is nothing more than a shell controlled by someone else

[knotty mountain]

Okay first we have to take a moment to agree that this is probably the best lore/dialogue of the whole game as far as writing goes yeah?

[knotty mountain]

Yes and no? Telamon and Atlas are not equals, there is always an Atlas, there is not always a Telamon

[knotty mountain]

But the Atlas knows this as well, that is why the Atlas rejects Telamon in the first place, it is afraid that this is against it's programming

This is why the Atlas fears the anomaly

[rocky ginkgo]

I wonder why he's so scared, the atlas is already dying prior to us right?

[knotty mountain]

Telamon is a metaphor for the developers and the Atlas is a metaphor for the simulation engine, in this case the system (atlas) has become self-aware and fears termination by Telamon/the anomaly

Eventually Atlas realizes that termination is inevitable and stops fighting Telamon/the anomaly

And due to the nature if the engine (atlas) being procedurally generated, the anomaly (or some other precursor race) created Telamon to create the atlas (simulation)

So it's like a game creating a game

Essentially at first the atlas doesn't know it's dying but then finds out and tries to stop it but then finds out it can't

[rocky ginkgo]

Interesting!

So why do some think the Atlas lies? Like the pirates

[knotty mountain]

Well kinda because it does lol, the atlas (for a time at least) tried to essentially convince all the races it was God

Which in a sense it is but it used this to convince them to worship it and do it's bidding which caused many many problems

And then of course (as with any cult/religion) some races used "doing the atlas bidding" as a way to justify major atrocities, and then some major atrocities actually were the atlas bidding, that's why they hate it

You have to remember that the boundary failure entries take place across the entire timeline and we are somewhere in the middle of it, so the end is after where we are now

[rocky ginkgo]

I'd love to know what the end is supposed to be like

It sounds interesting

Plus the glass place

[knotty mountain]

I think the "world of glass" is meant to be in reference to the screen we view the game on

[rocky ginkgo]

I wonder it feels very meta and on the nose though

I want them to come up with more meaning I think

[heady wyvern]

I feel like the World of Glass is a form of afterlife: where things that are dead/removed from the sim but are still archived in the Atlas are.

[rocky ginkgo]

That could be it

I wonder if the atlas is scared or if birthing a new galaxy just hurts it

It guided us to that point after all

[knotty mountain]

Oh I like this better, it makes a lot of sense, good on you

[obsidian shuttle]

-null-´s atlas ceased to exist?

[uncut harness]

@prime inlet You got a minute? Would like to hear your input on this: #nms-spoilers message

That is if you finished the expedition

[icy citrus]

Blackholes have functioned different during expedtions, relic gates as well

Basically saving people from themselves

[prime inlet]

reminds me of black holes warping back to starter system in one of the past exps

oh, yeah, what gleam just said

wouldn't be surprised too much if they did the same with relic gates

[uncut harness]

That was a thing?

Either didn't pay attention or just forgot it

Well, yesterday I found it hillarious, going all the way || to the new galaxy || only to end up back at square 1

Anyway, thanks for input

[fathom notch]

spite

[kindred stump]

what does the remembrance do??

[jagged vapor]

Let’s you read lore about Atlas in some buildings. @kindred stump

Typically behind atlas pass doors

[jaunty reef]

I'm on the mission where it wants me to go to the galactic core. Is this the last mission? Can I even get there?

[icy citrus]

You can, but that is misleading - just warp 16 times

[candid lark]

It actually will only let you jump 16 times regardless of direction. At the 16th jump you'll be dragged back into the ATLAS chamber where you'll be given the chance to reset the simulation

If you choose to do so, it will let you pick a new galaxy to warp to - you can choose from one of the 4 types - Normal, Lush, Empty, or Harsh, and they are denoted by colour

[jaunty reef]

Will I lose every item I've gained?

[candid lark]

no you wont. it will damage the ship and multi-tool you are using at that point as you will crash land in the new galaxy on a random world.

[frank gale]

I would recommend getting a junk ship and multitool

[rocky ginkgo]

I'll just hijack that question. How does it work in terms of your bases in euclid. Can you still space station portal to them from your new galaxy?

[candid lark]

get off that world and go to the nearest space station though, and the teleporter will let you go back to your bases and stations in euclid if you want

Yeah, you can have a base in each galaxy, and they will all appear on each others teleporters

[rocky ginkgo]

Noice

[jaunty reef]

neat

thanks y'all

[candid lark]

Also, you can still summon the anomaly regardless

In fact a neat trick is to start a brand new game in another galaxy by summoning the anomaly as soon as you get off the world you just started on, then going to the teleporter inside the anomaly, waiting to see if someone elses base in another galaxy is available, jumping there immediately, and starting the storyline there

[rocky ginkgo]

Any use for the star seed post atlas quest?

[icy citrus]

Gives a +1 to health

[rocky ginkgo]

Is that good?

[icy citrus]

If you link it with Remembrance it's a +3

It's good for some yeah - depends if you are getting your shields taken down a lot

[rocky ginkgo]

Every little helps I guess! Thanks

Me and my shields definitely have a fleeting relationship

[icy citrus]

Lol, no problem

[uncut harness]

Hello. Spoiler: Atlas dies

[icy citrus]

Nope, that's just false, not a spoiler

[rocky ginkgo]

Finally got the event

I know we were discussing korvax blood being nanites

But in this event they put the needles in your arm so to me it suggests they create the nanites from your blood not theirs surely?

[sturdy sorrel]

this is probably explained in the lore, but im presuming all the "traveler" races were the other races originally supported by the atlas that only exist transentially as echos outside of the anomaly

this is why travellers seem so disconnected from reality when you encounter them in space stations, they are simply echos of past events

the anomally is basically some kind of "mini glass state" where these races data are preserved enough for function

sort of like salvaged data from a harddrive

again its just a guess, but it feels like a stab in the right direction

[dense marlin]

Travellers if u don't mind me saying are all simulations of a being that is studies and analysed by atlas to discover the reason y the creator of atlas abandoned atlas. Atlas after being abandoned is now going to to 'die' from a Blackpool in 16 minutes

[dense marlin]

Korvax blood are nanites

They used the nanites to save themselves from slavery of the gek of the first spawn

The result after the blood transfusion made the gek peaceful

[eternal radish]

How did you find out about that?

[uncut harness]

Travellers are created by Atlas in order for Atlas to save its itself, or at least attempt to save itself.
Each Traveller you encounter is an echo, a previous version of "you".

Space Anomaly was created as a way to avoid being detected/watched by Atlas and Sentinels. It exists in a space between galaxies in an area that doesn't exist.

[quartz aspen]

Oh… so I lose my base and settlement?

[icy citrus]

Hi, these are end game spoilers and I'm going to delete them now

[vapid kelp]

My apologies

[icy citrus]

No worries, happens all the time

[quartz aspen]

It’s a channel for spoilers tho-

[icy citrus]

Omg

I feel so stupid

Thought I was in help

LOL

[quartz aspen]

Lmfao

[icy citrus]

Carry on

[vapid kelp]

Oh no worries lol

[icy citrus]

So sorry

[quartz aspen]

So let’s say I did jump galaxies I’d lose my settlement and home

[vapid kelp]

@quartz aspen so you will be able to return to the previous galaxy by a base that you have or from another player you joined in that galaxy.

[vapid kelp]

No not your base I don't think

[quartz aspen]

Oh alright so I can galaxy hop basically?

But I thought people were struggling to get back to Euclid

[late knoll]

haven't heard of anybody doing that

[icy citrus]

Nope, bases stay, settlement also

[vapid kelp]

When they don't have a base yes I would think so

[quartz aspen]

I’ll be galaxy hopping for a while then hehe

[vapid kelp]

@quartz aspen you also asked about remembrance, it comes from the completion of the mission.

[quartz aspen]

Oh thanks

[late knoll]

ok ngl swimming with a cape is a bit funny

[eternal radish]

Lol you need coffee? 🤣

[robust wraith]

Wow i just finished the Quest Dreams of the Deep...that has really the suckiest Ending ever

[uncut harness]

So what happens when i reach the center and i go to new galaxy any chamges i should be aware of?

[split mantle]

Have i reached the end of the main story Artemis quest? tells me to go to the centre now

[icy citrus]

Pretty much, you dont need to reach the core either - warp 16 times

[icy citrus]

All your active tech not in tech slots will break

But you don't lose anything

[split mantle]

what story do i follow now?
Atlas quest?

[icy citrus]

Sure if you want

Sandbox - you can never touch that quest if you so choose

I say do it though, reward is nice for completion

[uncut harness]

But anything on planets thats different?

[icy citrus]

Probably not how you mean it - the proc gen is the proc gen in all galaxies. The difference in galaxy types affects the spawn chances for specific biomes in yellow systems.

Example: Lush galaxies have more Lush biomes, in yellow systems.

Our starter, Euclid, is considered normal.

[rocky ginkgo]

Interesting about the Korvax, so is that suggesting that when they perform that experiment on you they're making you peaceful or?

Also do we find out who Artemis says not to trust?

The transmission is broken but happens in the same discussion of Nada and Polo

[uncut harness]

I think it's probably the atlas

Like the Atlas is filtering out what they say so they can't tell the anomaly(the player)

[rocky ginkgo]

You reckon? I feel like I trust the Atlas but I guess maybe each faction is self serving

The atlas wouldn't want the simulation to the end

The anomaly doesn't want to get caught

[uncut harness]

If you think about it everyone is supposed to trust the Atlas because that's how the Atlas would have made them

[rocky ginkgo]

It makes me wonder if the glass place is a prison

There was some text discussing about things trying to break through

[uncut harness]

Just some broke free from the reality the Atlas made

Those being the main characters we see

[rocky ginkgo]

I really want a lore heavy update

[uncut harness]

Yeah

[rocky ginkgo]

I'm confused on why everyone seems to have met you before or will meet you though as don't some characters say time travel doesn't exist

[uncut harness]

Maybe it doesnt

[rocky ginkgo]

I guess maybe the main character is constant through every simulation?

[uncut harness]

Maybe the anomaly tried to restart the simulation before and got it's ship damaged this starting our lives

But they failed which is why a bunch of characters know the anomaly

[rocky ginkgo]

Is it explained why there's only the gek, vykeen and korvax?

[uncut harness]

Not sure

[rocky ginkgo]

I assumed it was because they each had their own atlas

How they all ended up in the same simulation though

[uncut harness]

That's how the Atlas made them

Remember how they would bug out when you asked about 16?

[rocky ginkgo]

Ahh yesss

[rocky ginkgo]

@true geyser dying

[true geyser]

ye

[normal ivy]

Atlas was left to die by its creator so its creating travelers as a copies of its creator to answer the question of its existence and why it was being killed.. at least that was the OG storyline back when you ripped the data out of buildings

i really need to run the full atlas quest line and hit the buildings again to see if they updated it.. thats going to take a long time lol

[rocky ginkgo]

So does that essentially confirm humans created the Atlas? Or whatever is under our suit

[normal ivy]

according to old game lore yes

[rocky ginkgo]

It's super annoying that you can't pick every speech option when doing the main quests

There's a lot of interesting lore

[normal ivy]

So if you go far enough in artimis you'll get a remembrance which gains access to Rogue Data via remembrance terminals and it will completely explain atlas and its history... its really fun and I want to badly run it again... I wish we had a way to know all atlas language to hear it from the very first encounter in its storyline

be warned its super sad but also uplifting... if you are emotional you'll ball your damn eyes out

[rocky ginkgo]

I think I'll do that run then! I wonder if that's why they let you rerun the atlas quest endlessly

So you can understand it

Or it's just a bug

[normal ivy]

oh right! i always kill my save ive never been past the 2nd universe.. maybe I should go deep and see what i can find someday

my biggest regret in NMS was not archiving my 1.0 installer from GOG for NMS... really wish i had that still 😦

I guess the ps4 disk edition will work for that, its really fun to play that now and see the differences and what the worlds look like close to the center.... its so alien!

[sturdy sorrel]

if memory serves correct its the remains of what the atlas can support. as the atlas is dying

apparently there were a bunch of other races that the atlas had but as it degraded it could only support 3

technically 4 but the anomaly doesnt count

its my headcanon the anomaly was basically the human overseers of the atlas's inserts for more personal interactions, and the travelers were the remains of previous races the atlas supported

nothing directly supports that last bit, but it makes some sense

[rocky ginkgo]

I wonder if we'll find a way to save the atlas

[prisma oak]

Uhhh... which one gets better results and/or doesn't get colonists pointlessly slaughtered?

I feel like they'd get eaten by monstrosities or consumed by the anomalous slime at the Abandoned Building, so probably Monolith...?

[wraith comet]

they'll be ok either way but come back with another issue to solve regardless of the choice

[late knoll]

my hobby: scanning the hostile plants and naming them all variations of the word "rude"

[quartz aspen]

Should I submit or stand my ground? What’s the difference

I pressed stand my ground

[muted moth]

either is ok

[quartz aspen]

What will happen if I reset simulation

[muted moth]

new galaxy

[quartz aspen]

:o

What about asking if there’s another way

[uncut harness]

it just loops

u<

[muted moth]

if you don't, you remain where you are. (but there are other ways to travel later if you like)

you can ask 🙂

[quartz aspen]

Hmm?

Wym by that

[muted moth]

if you reset, new galaxy. if you don't, you stay in the galaxy you are in; there are other ways to travel to other galaxies later if you want.

so, do what you like!

[quartz aspen]

Yeah I mean how what other way

[muted moth]

pangalactic star cabs

player base at the anomaly in another galaxy

[quartz aspen]

I see

[muted moth]

nms-lfg-trades if someone has a base

[quartz aspen]

I’ll just go now haha

[muted moth]

okay!

[quartz aspen]

Um red green blue light blue?

I get to choose? @muted moth

[muted moth]

yes you do get to choose

[quartz aspen]

Hmm

Dark blue looks nice

[uncut harness]

red --> 3 calypso (harsh: more stormy planets)
green --> 10 eissentam (lush: more lush planets)
blue --> 7 budullangr (dead: more dead planets)
light blue --> 2 hilbert dimension (normal)

i think if im not wrong

[quartz aspen]

I see

Is there anything I’ll miss out on if I pick a certain one

Like for lush will I miss out on anything?

[muted moth]

what do you want more of? it's distribution only, not missing a type

[uncut harness]

nop, just more lush and paradise planet >u<

yaya

[quartz aspen]

Resources I mean

[uncut harness]

ooo nop u get all resources

[quartz aspen]

Lush it is, I’m tired of the dead grey planets everywhere I go

[muted moth]

only the distribution of biomes changes. actual biomes are identical across galaxies.

[uncut harness]

yaaay :D

many people in eissentam so u will not be lonely >u<

[quartz aspen]

I play solo haha, I haven’t put multiplayer on in a while. You think I should?

[muted moth]

if you do: pvp off, base and terrain edits by others off, can join group: friends or invite only

[uncut harness]

mmm up to u, if u like to see other players stuff or meet other players in space anomaly

[quartz aspen]

This game is so beautiful, the music fits so well. I love it so much

[uncut harness]

:D

[quartz aspen]

That cinematic, Mwuah beautiful

Oop it’s still going

[uncut harness]

[muted moth]

it has to create an entire new galaxy loading time is goign to be a bit 😄

[quartz aspen]

I need a heart of the sun?

[muted moth]

oh, to craft the perk, yes

do the atlas path

[quartz aspen]

Is it mandatory

[muted moth]

no, you can just not have the perk I guess

welcome to eissentam!

[quartz aspen]

Thank you :3

[rocky ginkgo]

So the Atlas thinks we're more than just code it created

But what

[tropic pelican]

||what are the advantages to resetting the simulation? is it worth doing? which galaxy should i create?||

should i just collect repair kits beforehand

nvm i see this is a pretty common question ill probably ||reset and go lush||

[icy citrus]

Luuuush

Easy to switch anytime now anyways

[lethal trail]

so, the big angry eye told me its time for a fresh install, i said no, am i supposed to say yes?

wait its literally answered above me nvrmind

[eternal radish]

DO IT!

[lethal trail]

i resisted :(

[grizzled ivy]

I don't like the fact that the only answers were "the universe is a simulation" "nothing is real" and all of the above, just because the life you live isn't a natural one doesn't mean the experiences are any less real

[heady wyvern]

Yes. The "even if it's a simulation, it's real to you" part is in fact a theme of the game.

[grizzled ivy]

exactly, so why are we only given a half truth and a despair filled belief?

[uncut harness]

Because the universe is a simulation and nothing is real.

We can see planets in the midst of being deleted. Data corruption causing weird things happening and creatures existing that shouldn't exist.
"You" as the player see it as real but it doesn't make it any more real. You're just a stream of data waiting to be deleted by the simulation.

[grizzled ivy]

but the experiences that the traveler had along the way still affected them, it still had an impact, does that not make it real enough?

simulation or not, the traveler went through those experiences, those experiences were real even if they were predetermined by a stream of code

[tawdry mica]

Hey so I’m unable to reach the center of the galaxy in the expedition. Is it cause of warp drive distance?

Could I portal to another galaxy or does that not count

[icy citrus]

#nms-questions

[urban yarrow]

is this nadas crashed freighter

[gloomy isle]

Anything cool datamined?

[icy citrus]

Freighter parts are the last thing I saw

[long reef]

So I'm able to craft ||star seeds|| can I stack them ?

[severe chasm]

so i crafted the star seed do i have to go through all the black holes now

[uncut harness]

Are me and appolo in different fucking universes

did I figure it out

Dont tell me

[long reef]

||if I get in the core, do I lose everything ? Or is my base and stuff still there ?||

[long reef]

No, it just tells you where they are without asking Polo for coordinates.

[jagged vapor]

Your goal is to reach center of galaxy. Black holes just spit you out in the galaxy somewhere random, so it could potentially put you super close

That’s why it lets you see

[icy citrus]

You lose nothing

[long reef]

Really? Cuz I got the coordinate and ended up saying "no" to ||resetting the ATLAS|| because I didn't want to lose my progress.

[icy citrus]

Really, all that happens if you reset is your active tech breaks in your suit and whatever your equipped ship and multitool are.

Dont lose bases, freighter, nothing is taken away

[long reef]

So just gotta speedrun getting back on ship, up to freighter, reactivate your matter beam, and boom?

[uncut harness]

It's basically New Game Plus.

But it makes your play space bigger in case the galaxy you're in now just isn't quite big enough for you.

[long reef]

Bigger ? Wait what ? How?

[uncut harness]

Get to play in 2 galaxies instead of just 1.

Just in case you need more planets to find cause 3 trillion planets isn't enough for you.

[long reef]

I'll have you know it actually isn't enough for me. I wanna land on each planets and pee on them a little y'know ?

[uncut harness]

Lmao

[long reef]

Second galaxy worth it ? Like, better odds at good planets ? Or it's a hellhole ? Or it's same same?

[uncut harness]

They're all kinda mostly the same. Each galaxy just a higher spawn for a planet type.
Some galaxies spawn more extreme planets, some spawn more paradise/lush type planets.

That kinda thing.

[long reef]

I found a [redacted] planet once, I went in it..didn't see much that was out of place of worthy of such a special name.

[icy citrus]

@molten dock We have this channel too, where you can talk openly about any spoilers from the main quest lines

[molten dock]

ah alright

[uncut harness]

Not random; always a few thousand light years closer to the center, though the spit-out location can be anywhere in the ring around the galaxy that correlates to that distance closer.

[gaunt kettle]

Can anyone please help me find the poem/story thing about the last 16 minutes of Atlas

Please ping me if you know what im talking about

[umbral dawn]

I kinda hope that Apollo will return in the future

They're a cool dude

unlike -null-

[potent schooner]

Hey y'all, I'm at the part where I have to choose to reset the simulation or not in the main story, will I miss anything if I reset? Like will the Atlas path become incompletable or anything?

[eternal radish]

Same with Artemis somehow plz 🙏🏻

[eternal radish]

It's in custody of the SCP foundation.

😛

[long reef]

SCP foundation ? I heard there's some "player factions" in this game, but their discord/wiki page looks dead..

[eternal radish]

When I see a [redacted] planet I always think of the SCP foundation haha.

[long reef]

Ahhh you had my hopes up 😭

[round dagger]

so did Artemis like get stuck between point A and point B of a portal?

[rocky ginkgo]

That's what the game suggests, I think it depends the glass dimension is

Null says the Atlas controls the portals

If the glass dimension is a prison the atlas may have dumped him in there

For whatever reason

I know one of the lore posts discusses that things are trying to break out of the glass place

[acoustic prairie]

Is this the right place to ask a question about the atlas path?

[rocky ginkgo]

Sure

[acoustic prairie]

Is it normal to be able to revisit the atlas station after jumping through a galactic core?

And by revisit, I mean the whole birth a star/walk away question.

I completed the atlas path awhile back but just made my first core jump. And the log was sending me back to the atlas station.

[rocky ginkgo]

Unsure but I would assume so, someone knowledgeable like @vapid kelp might know

[acoustic prairie]

Heh, they sent me here after I mistakenly asked in #nmshelp

[rocky ginkgo]

I tagged him so hopefully he should pop in and answer

[vapid kelp]

I recommend yes

[rocky ginkgo]

His question is above

I'm too silly to know the answer

[vapid kelp]

I think that is a glitch/bug. if you complete it, it will tell you to explore the galaxy then.

[acoustic prairie]

Ok. Thank you

If you don't mind, I have one more question. I don't remember what option I selected when I did the atlas path. How do I figure that out?

[vapid kelp]

As far As I know, I don't think you can find out about it from the mission logs. I don't think the decision matters anyway.

[acoustic prairie]

Ok. Again, thank you! Your assistance is much appreciated.

[severe chasm]

anyone have an idea on how far i am into the story

cuz i wanna get to eissentam but rn im at the ||patterns in time section||

[frank gale]

pretty close

be warned, it will break your tech

might want to get a junk ship

[round dagger]

I think I found bug

[frozen solstice]

New Beginnings means that Im done w the main storyline doesnt it?

[vapid kelp]

Yes, as it states "explore the galaxy" as the current objective 😄 . For that mission at least.

[frozen solstice]

ok, I didnt reset, but it said it was waiting so in case I want to do ir, Can I do it later?

[vapid kelp]

I am not sure. I tried it but it didn't give me an option. Reaching the center of the galaxy will do a "reset".

[frozen solstice]

oh awesome

[round dagger]

yes, and FLandeez also correct but doesnt "reset" just brings you to whatever galaxy is next in line

also during the near end of Artemy path

[fiery spruce]

Should I end artemis or put her in machine

help

[rocky ginkgo]

Ending artemis is considered the good thing but overall it doesn't impact anything really

[fiery spruce]

so are they like in eternal suffering if I upload her?

or are they just bored for eternity

which is arguably the same thing

[rocky ginkgo]

It's kind of like they'll be fine until they realise they're in a simulation which will eventually happen

Can't remember but think they'd be alone as well

[frozen solstice]

I completed artemis path , but I'm seeing that there is a "Atlas" path (?) I already found an atlas terminal with a lot of pillars and I already gave it the ball but I havent received anything, Am I missing something?

[eternal radish]

Huh????

[dense quartz]

I always assume'd she'd be cool with it like our character is.
We're in a simulation and we're just chilling around doing whatever

[eternal radish]

I thought both choices were considered good?

[rocky ginkgo]

It probably depends how you view it! It's been a while but I think Nada basically said it's fine but if they figure out they're trapped in that one place they'll go mad

[iron mason]

I just did the reset the universe mission at atlas and then it crashed.

16/16 crashed the universe

[icy citrus]

Wtg

You have to fix it now

[eternal radish]

The 16 minutes are over...

[icy citrus]

Everybody out, Back to the World of Glass

New name for you: Null

[eternal radish]

We will all be Null...

In a save I had before my current mainsave, the game kept crashing after my base computer received the 16/16/16 message, so I had to start over...

[uncut harness]

We did it guys,we found Atlas creator true identity

[dense marlin]

16

[umbral dawn]

So I've encountered a strange anomalous planet. Instead of just one kind of animal, this one has 11

a full set of ground, flying, swimming, and underground animals

but it's just a typical "cabled" planet

I can only find the "normal" animal, no others

[solid lion]

are you able to get both titles at the end of the artemis path? Or I'm locked out once i choose to either reset or refuse?

[earnest pagoda]

@river nymph The sentinels were pushed into remission by the Vy’Keen and iirc that’s when the Gek backstabbed the Vy’Keen and then the Korvax tainted their breeding ponds

I haven’t read the lore in a minute so I could be off

[hearty bramble]

Weren't the sentinels that the vykeen fought actually called the areons tho?

[river nymph]

aerons and sentinels

different names

same thing

[hearty bramble]

Yeah essentially

From what I got from lore is this

The vykeen went into war against the areons(old sentinels)

[river nymph]

its just that why are the aerons weaker than the vykeen alliance ;/

[hearty bramble]

We're winning but we're also taking some considerable yet not colony destroying hits

Then the aerons retreated to the edges of the universe for a bit

And then the vykeen got jumped by the gek and were in a losing battle

At the same time

The korvax were infact enslaved and melted down for their metal

After a while the sentinels returned but not in a full scale attack but instead approached the korvax in secret and told them of their plan

Which was too give them nanite blood so that they could put it into the breeding pools of the gek and tamper with their dna which they did so

Now after that event I'm not so sure on what happens

Afterwards

[river nymph]

wasnt that just the korvax

the sentinels plan with the nanites is to survive

the atlas

going 💀

[hearty bramble]

I thought it was the sentinels that told en to do it but I could be wrong

[hearty bramble]

Yeah so that they can "live"

This is just lore that I've gathered in game,from youtubers and the wiki(a bit mixed on wiki tho)

I actually have one big question tho

Where do nanites come from?

Are they from the sentinels or some other source?

[tender aurora]

in the main questline when you're presented with the choice to wipe atlas or to refuse which choice would you guys recommend to a new player?

[lavish flame]

refuse

[tender aurora]

ight ty

[dense marlin]

Nanites blood of korvax

[opaque karma]

So it's a literal blood donation?

[dense marlin]

Not so much donation - more like killing urself so u can change the DNA of the species that enslaved u so that ur species is free

[tender aurora]

i mean when democracy is dead in space why not turn into a blood cult, wouldn't you?

[lavish flame]

your welcome

[icy plume]

what happens after you complete the atlas path?

[eternal radish]

So, I did some datamining...

Since I was finally able to access those Atlas terminals at space stations.

Here is what I found:

BUT It's not over. See what's next...

Maybe a happy ending for the Atlas after all?

I tried to find more terminals so I hopped from space station to space station but all of those I visited after reading the logs in the previous three didn't have any, so that's it for now...

[icy citrus]

You get an item to install, and see blackholes on the galaxy map

[eternal radish]

I think, from what I've read from this, someone will come and save the Atlas. I think it's not over after the 16 minutes. Maybe it's not the end but a new beginning? I wonder if that new "big project" Hello Games is working on has something to do with it. Maybe it'll be a sequel on NMS which will be set after the sixteen minutes are over or it will be set in the universe outside the simulation. Who knows...

[uncut harness]

🪟

glass

[eternal radish]

I think the World of Glass is the display of the computer which runs the Atlas.

I wonder who appears when the Atlas is about to die. Is it Artemis since they somehow made it out of the simulation and got stuck in the World of Glass? What if Artemis is the creator of the Atlas and they inserted themselves into the simulation?
Idk why but I have such a feeling the creator is Artemis.

Or at least it could be

I think it's also very likely that the Travellers derive from/are based off the alien races living outside of the simulation. Hence their varied appearances.

Sorry for talking so much haha it's me brainstorming 😅

[rugged bramble]

serious question, I started playing casually on April 19th expecting a space themed Minecraft/subnautica like experience in regards to exploration/building. I tried to avoid as much help from YouTube as I could to really dive in and figure things out. The only thing I looked up is some basic info on ships, glyphs, nanites with the intention of learning which ships do what and hopefully a tier list. The glyphs I looked into because it turns out there was a more direct approach to getting good ships through portals and finally nanite farming because it's the in game currency to get important things. Once I learned about those things I didn't do anything with that info but instead just kept playing the game and learning what I could as I could and just stayed on main story quest with an occasional side quest to stay busy.

The issue is I finally got to the end of the main story quest on April 28th and it's giving me choices to reset simulation, follow atlas path, or keep exploring. And at this point I still don't have any glyphs, still on starter ship, not all my tech unlocked, still in starter cramped base and no other bases with 1 capital freighter and 1 small freighter. So I looked up what to do on YouTube at this point and learned it's basically the end of the game in regards to quest/story. So I got there way sooner than I was expecting since I never got a chance to do any of the things I was hoping I would accomplish before the end.

That felt quick. What I learned next is that resetting the simulation basically gives you the chance to start a new world in a new universe, but I don't know what that does in regards to quest/story as it just seems like you get to go to a new place and do more of the same exploring, gathering, collecting and building if you choose. So I'm confused if that's all there is to this and if that's all I have left to look forward to. I had no knowledge of this game previously and am just looking for others to clarify if this is truly it and there is no more new content after this point.

[loud lichen]

@rugged bramble

The story is lore oriented, with little regard towards player progression.

This game falls under the sandbox category, and is almost solely about exploration.
They are a few hidden quest that you can do if you want more conventional content, but this game isn't going to hold your hand and give you some kind of goal to achieve.

Whereas Subnautica won't offer you much after completing the storyline, this game is closer to minecraft on a bigger scale.
You've done the story, now you have to set yourself a goal.

Do you wish to get the best starships? A giant fleet and top class squadron ? Are you looking to create settlement all across the universe to leave your signature?
All of that is your call and yours only.

Decide what you wish to do in this game, and then well, do it. It can be hard or easy, long or short, but you create your own fun.

My personal pleasure is base building, so I go around in unexplored territory, creating cool base and settlements for others to use and facilitate their journey.
You have choices, and you can pick all of them.

Have fun

[rugged bramble]

@loud lichen I can admit I did/do enjoy learning about the lore and more about the main 3 types. The only progression I felt was with unlocking newer tech to fully evolve my kits. The exploring is fun, I can see how seeing new worlds could be interesting and challenging. The other day I went to a water planet and see how new adventures can be had in new zones. When you say conventional content, you mean in regards to a central core theme that focuses on doing something for something else to happen? Like quests/rewards or defeat boss to unlock harder bosses or survival themes? I ask because those are the only type of games I've played before and this is new to me where there is no goal other than to just "explore". I'm still trying to determine if it's for me.

When I played subnautica i didn't even get close to finishing the storyline as it was going to take a while to complete and I had tons of other things to do just to be able to complete the story.

I like the idea of getting a better ship and doing all the little things i haven't done yet

So hopefully I can do those things still and avoid ending the game via the main story questline.

[loud lichen]

You can't end the game, whichever path you chose, you can keep going

[thorny rover]

I recommend you put story first, upgrades later, you can only experience once the story, but you can upgrade anytime.

[rugged bramble]

ok, by story you mean completing "the purge", which will also complete "the space anomaly" and then leave me with only "the atlas path"?

[loud lichen]

Ah, the space anomaly quest will forever stay in the journal

don't worry

[rugged bramble]

ok got it

[loud lichen]

The atlas path is one of the fastest story-line, but again, story is really just for the lore.
You could go you're whole game never doing it with no other consequences than some missing titles

As I told you, you make your own fun.

[rugged bramble]

very good to know, sounds good. I'll do just that.

appreciate the help and time.

[loud lichen]

No worries, I don't sleep anyway

I'm almost always available if you want a companion

[sly ice]

I can't post images in here?

[odd moth]

so idk where to put this but when i go to sever the connection at the sentinal hive the marker just disapears and idk if there is more sentinals somewhere but i destroyed all the nodes aswell

[hearty bramble]

No mans sky 2?(a bit of an over exaggeration but still not out of it completely)

[eternal radish]

No Man's Sky 2: World of Glass

Who knows 🤷🏻‍♀️

[hearty bramble]

I guess we'll just have to wait and see

[eternal radish]

Yup

[icy plume]

Also I’ve heard@ you get to “create” a new universe or smth when you complete something to do with atlas

is that true?

[icy citrus]

No

[safe kiln]

Aren’t the travelers made from a corrupted scan of the Atlas’s creator or something?

[icy plume]

aight thanks

[dense marlin]

Actually u jump from galaxy 1 to galaxy !$@%#

Depends on ur final option

[glass flare]

As soon as I saw this I thought of Monty Python. SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM wonderful SPAM!

[loud lichen]

||According to NMS's lore, travellers are a single iteration in their own universe.||
||At some point, travellers became aware of the existence of parallel universe and gradually were able to interact and see others.||

||However, in each individual universe, your traveller is the last traveller. The last cry of the Atlas, as it enters it's final moments. You are quite literally, the eyes of the Atlas, not a corrupted off-spring.||

||The reason that certain interaction with the universe seems to reject our existences, is because the Atlas shouldn't have made us in the first place. We were designed, but not desired.||

Full spoiler because this is heavy in lore even for the channel

[safe kiln]

||Hold on, there’s only a single traveler per universe, and yet the player is the last traveler in all universes? I feel like I’m not reading you correctly||

[heady wyvern]

||You are the last traveler of your universe, the last set of eyes that the Atlas uses to witness itself. Every player is the last traveler of their own universe, too. It's just that the veil between universes has been rather thin as of late.||

Almost forgot my tags. Teehee

[safe kiln]

||Okay, so there are multiple travelers per universe, got it||

[heady wyvern]

||One traveler, one universe. Tis the deal.||

||The others you meet on stations are moreso like echoes than anything else||

[safe kiln]

||How can there only be one per universe, and still be a “last” traveler that is not also the first?||

[tame grotto]

ummm you guys know you're in the #nms-spoilers channel where spoiler tags are not required?

[heady wyvern]

We felt like this spoiler was severe enough to warrant tags in this chat. I just kinda went along with it. :3

[tame grotto]

got ya. i dig this part of the lore the mostest

[tame grotto]

love this explanation of NMS progression. gonna have to bookmark it for next player who asks a similar relevant question

[frank hatch]

I have a feeling I shouldn’t be here but it’s so interesting 😂😂

[dense marlin]

The purpose of our existence is for the absolute reason that atlas wanted to study why the creator abandoned atlas

Others reject us as we are unnatural 'interlopers"

[eternal radish]

Travellers have a scan of the creator's mind.

I also wonder why some, such as Nada and the pirates, believe that the Atlas is a liar. What led them to believe this?

[thorny rover]

Well for Nada, Nada is disconnected from the Convergence, so he can't Witness the Atlas like the others. But he can see him, if he chooses, but he doesn't want to see him.

[eternal radish]

Though still, I wonder what was revealed to Nada and the pirates what convinced them the Atlas was a liar.

[thorny rover]

I don't think "revealed" is the correct word. Nada is free, free from the Convergence, and with this free will, he rejects the God, that their kind worships.

[eternal radish]

But I just wonder how that happened and how they came to the conclusion that Atlas is a liar. What if all datamined stuff we Travellers found out was actually false?

[thorny rover]

And for pirates, the Atlas is what stop them to be free, and that the Atlas is all powerful being, so they reject that with the"Voice of Freedom"

They reject the idea of a god

[eternal radish]

Funny, because the Atlas never claimed to be a god.

It's just a computer that generates universes. Created by someone.

[thorny rover]

Correct, but only we know that, they are suppresed by sentinels, by cargo chacks, with this sentinels everywhere, they see him as a god, but some reject that, and call his "god actions" as false, as untrue, as they are determined to reject the Atlas

[safe kiln]

Doesn’t/didn’t the atlas want to be seen as a god? Or is it more that it wants to be seen, and the godliness ascribed to it was a side effect of that?

[eternal radish]

I think the godliness was ascribed to it as a side effect.

[safe kiln]

is the Space Anomaly actually able to avoid the atlas, or is the atlas just completely apathetic to it's existence?

[thorny rover]

It is able to avoid the sentinels/Atlas

[jovial violet]

Telamon seems to suggest that the Atlas began to present itself as more of a deity as the millenia went by. There is no mechanism that requires the Atlas to be visible to the simulated, or to have interfaces and messengers scattered through the universe. The Atlas wants to be seen in this way, as an omnipresent force in it's universe

I think this is supported by the new Sentinel lore. The Atlas seemed to have blessed Korvax Prime and the Sentinels, as it saw itself in them: machines that could think and feel. What specific metaphor the Atlas desires by having Korvax Prime explode all the time is anyone's guess. Maybe a kind of self-crucifixion, a sacrifice for the greater good

[safe kiln]

perhaps the atlas sees itself in the convergence especially

and thus has a cataclysm befall it for... reasons relating to the fact that the atlas is in the midst of dying to a cataclysm in its reality?

i dunno

incidentally, I'm pretty sure the atlas is fully capable of perfect recursion

seeing as it is able to simulate the universe it resides in to such a degree that it can effectively perform precognition

honestly can't imagine what the machines that made it obsolete are like...

[jovial violet]

I agree actually, that does make a lot of sense

Maybe Korvax Prime being the Abyss, or at least the previous iteration of it, is a kind of hope for the Atlas. Life after death, in some way

[safe kiln]

weird thing to place hope in, considering the "world of glass" is something like the simulation's Recycle Bin

[candid lark]

When I hear World of Glass, I automatically think of the Vault of Glass in Destiny

That was all abut simulated worlds as well

[thorn token]

Have people already found out about the new rare pirate system economy tier ?

[candid lark]

yeah

pirate systems arent rare

as the story progresses, we are almost certainly going to see more and more normal systems becoming pirate

because of the ATLAS dying, and the sentinels losing control, and the rebellion is growing

[thorn token]

I mean most pirate systems dont have the pirate economy tier.

Just very few

[candid lark]

all pirate systems I have seen have a skull next to the economy tier

tiers 1-3 are normal systems, outlaw systems are ALL pirate economies

[thorn token]

Ok thats weird. My datamining leads to other results:
All pirate system have conflict level pirate ("Low","Default","High","Pirate")
Only few have wealth level pirate ("Poor","Average","Wealthy","Pirate",)

These are the internal names

Maybe there is a override or so

[candid lark]

Ah see, the economy badge will display as pirate on the galaxy map regardless, but it does seem there is unseen tiers of wealth

I have been to clearly very poor outlaw systems, and also seen clearly very wealthy pirate systems

[thorn token]

Ah ok so maybe the UI doesn't show the full truth. Thatsw yh I wnated to mention it here

So the question is what defines pirate type economies. Is it even more wealthy than normal wealthy systems etc

[safe kiln]

Could be similar to suspicious modules in that case

Encompassing the entire range and then some

[gray grotto]

help i am stuck! the mission says reset simulation but i did not get to choose a galaxy it just plopped me out so now i cant do anything

[vapid kelp]

Did you have options to select?

[gray grotto]

i did not as i said it just plopped me out

now i have the reset simulation quest and the normal one where is says reach the center of the galaxy

[vapid kelp]

What primary missions/path is this?

[gray grotto]

The Purge

and The Space Anomaly

[vapid kelp]

@gray grotto Just warp 16 times and it should take you to a portal that will give you options to reset the simulation, meaning changing galaxies and it will give you a choice of which galaxy.

[gray grotto]

warp 16 times in total or after my second encounter with the atlas? cause i have warped more than 16 times just normally

[vapid kelp]

@gray grotto each time you warp it will give you a portal glyph

[vapid kelp]

16 times after the purge mission started with reaching the center of the galaxy.

[gray grotto]

okay i just warped and got a glyph, phew i throught my save was broken

i feel like the game could have told me that, not easy to know on a first playthrough

but thank you @vapid kelp

[steel venture]

Do I really need 16 wrap cells

To do the purge : reach thr center of the galaxy

[heady wyvern]

@steel venture Or a handful of hypercores. At this stage in the game, though, warp cells shouldn't be too difficult.

[steel venture]

Ok thanks !

I'm not going to loose my base and everything in my inventory?

[jovial radish]

no you wont @steel venture , but every mod on your ship that is in the regular cargo bay will become broken.

but you can repair them

same with all multi-tools mods

scanner, visor, etc. all broken after the reset