nms-spoilers

[stuck ferry]

Was this a 4chan leak?

[dusk aurora]

https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/supposed-leaks-nms-summer-update-may-contain-spoilers/7524

[compact coyote]

This is a great site btw ^

[uncut harness]

Eks friggin de

With all the respect to work put into making these posts

I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and s**t a better post than this

[compact coyote]

Ahhhhh atlas

Good times

[uncut harness]

All those "leaks" take what people want or are / have been talking and put them together

How come no leaks spoke about the derelict freighters? The ability to have pets?

Just another "moar guns"

[dusk aurora]

Hey, an actual enemy faction is a good addition

[uncut harness]

If Frontier is really that big and really so amazing content, all you have to say about it is vague-as-fuck statements?

Give me 1 piece of info that is spot on and I'll believe it

Not this ultra generic crap

[dusk aurora]

We could use an "evil interstellar empire" in a sci-fi game

[jovial violet]

Yeah, trusting an anonymous poster on 4chan about anything without even a single screenshot for proof is a bit...

[dusk aurora]

hence the "big if true"

[jovial violet]

Fair, but this community is known for getting hype about basically nothing

[nocturne zephyr]

the one leak Macforaday shared ended up being true

[uncut harness]

It's not about screenshots, it's about being generic as fuck and easy to produce

[uncut harness]

You happen to have a link to it?

[jovial violet]

Sometimes the most generic things are the easiest to prove with a leak

[nocturne zephyr]

i mean regarding Origins, or whenever volcanoes were added

so sometimes leaks are true

[heavy glacier]

the leaks always say the same things though, and it's usually just stuff the community has been asking for, which is what HG generally focuses on (slow to deliver at times but still consistent)

also that's not even new, it's just the "downfall" leak which has already been debunked seeing as how the name is Frontier

[glass flare]

has anyone analyzed the trailer audio yet? there's some odd sounds in there at the end and beginning

[nocturne zephyr]

they have

nothing

[glass flare]

damn

[nocturne zephyr]

i think someone mentioned it’s just the same sound as the beyond title sequence

[glass flare]

there's a sound in there that I swear was used during Waking Titan

[compact coyote]

It also looks like beyond

[vague oriole]

Yes

That's actually a theory i kept to myself

[compact coyote]

Wonder what the R and O mean

[vague oriole]

That the logo was gonna be beyond looking

Since both NEXT and origins were just plain text

[uncut harness]

Looks like something is forming an eclipse to me.

[vague oriole]

Frontiers sounds

Awefully war related

Are they doing the thing that is completely unexpected and just a joke in the community by this point

[compact coyote]

Nah I think it’s gonna focus on the Abyss and it would be a new dark universe

[vague oriole]

Maybe

[jovial violet]

That's interesting, because "Frontiers" sounds very exploration-focused to me. Discovering new places, taking pioneering steps

[vague oriole]

Maybe the station override is what gleam said all along

Disconecting from the atlas

[uncut harness]

My take is either giving or defending direct control from The Abyss.

[vague oriole]

Hmmm here's a cool concept i just thought of

[uncut harness]

We'll find out soon enough I guess. I imagine none of the guesses at this point are close enough to be correct.
Still very cool to speculate though.

[vague oriole]

Systems now have an "Atlas vs abyss" bar which shows how much control each has over a system

It starts with very little for the abyss but once you input the override it lets you influence that with your actions

That would be cool

Maybe we can claim systems for the abyss?

Which have decreased sentinels or smth idk

[glass flare]

the O in Frontiers reminds me of the moon glyph on the Portals

[vague oriole]

Hmmmm

maybe the portals can tear through reality and take you to a prime galaxy version of where you are where the abyss controls everything

Actually i do feel like this is gonna be a huge update

They've been teasing the override thing since june

[glass flare]

ah looks like the BEYOND trailer used a similar type of O

[vague oriole]

Yes it looks a lot like beyond

[uncut harness]

Beyond sounded exploration focused to me. But then...

[cloud nacelle]

these leakers need to learn from destiny 2 leakers

and make up better leaks

[uncut harness]

Yeah the overrides are a big hint imho

[jovial violet]

Ha, that's fair also. Turns out most update names rarely match to what everyone expects the name to mean

[icy citrus]

I already do

[tepid iris]

is the destroyed atlas model used in game atm?

[icy citrus]

No

Raises questions, eh

😄

[tepid iris]

😮

[glass flare]

watch it just be a cosmetic "encounter"

[icy citrus]

It is The Abyss making its move

What sci-fi part is missing?

Antagonist

[uncut harness]

And a hero to save the day.

[glass flare]

i dunno the Sentinels feel pretty antagonistic to me

[uncut harness]

Only if you provoke them.

[icy citrus]

They are the drones serving the maker

[uncut harness]

Oh shit, yes!

[glass flare]

they're like prison guards, i hate them

[uncut harness]

Serves you right for misbehaving.

Oh dang this is spoilers, ignore my bullshittery. Goodbye.

[flint beacon]

Terraforming is pretty sci-fi’ish let us terraform planets into what ever type we desire :p

[gusty stream]

Wait question, do we have a list of all the eventual QS unlockables in the games data rn?

[icy citrus]

They add them in on the sly seems like, I have seen a few though

[crisp fern]

they generally add them shortly before they'll actually be made available, so nah, we don't have a list going far into the future or anything

[fringe flax]

notice the space station computer in one of the final shots in the trailer. big hint there as there has been speculation since they were introduced in prisms

[fast fiber]

Guys help me decide whether to accept/refuse the atlas?

I don't understand what it is, or the gravity of either decision...

[heavy acorn]

What happens if i choose to complete the atlas path during the purge instead of choosing seek the final interface

I wanna get the glyphs but dont know what option to choose

[forest citrus]

Does the portal thing still work when u key in a wrong portal address and it sends u to a system near the center of the galaxy

[uncut harness]

Yes, it still works, use 12x

[vague oriole]

That's something i never got with the game's promotional art

We always see this "smooth" version of the atlas interfaces

Whcih implys that's the atlas itself

But the game implys the atlas is just a supercomputer in a world like ours

[young tiger]

Anyone got a link for the so called Frontiers leaks?

[stuck ferry]

Do you mean the 4chan leaks?

If so they are on that atlas website

[icy citrus]

Haven't looked, bet I can sum up: Ship coloring, new NPC race, combat overhaul, cities, freighter class upgrades, variety/procgen changes and ofc ship building

Oh, and base parts

[stuck ferry]

Yeah that’s basically what the leaks say apart from the Void thing which I assume is supposed to be a new dimension or something

[icy citrus]

Lol

That's the same 'leak' we get every year

Some might be true, ofc

But I don't believe it is an actual leak, just guessing

[stuck ferry]

All the leaks I’ve seen are just the most basic guesses based on data mines with a little bit of what everyone wants to hear

[icy citrus]

Yep!

[young tiger]

If the void stuff is true I'm all aboard that hype train. Have always hoped for more spooky/bizarre types of creatures and biomes. If they also revamp procgen in general and improve creature AI this update will be fantastic!

[gloomy isle]

Void stuff?

[young tiger]

Just speculation from the 4chan "leaks" lol

[mighty rampart]

yeah I would like some "negative" galaxies (call them iota) that have very weird and seemingly broken terrain planets with bizarre structures

[gloomy isle]

It'd be a great way to introduce massive variety without impacting builders

[uncut harness]

What's the difference between going to the centre of the galaxy and doing the purge? Both put you in another galaxy don't they?

[jovial violet]

the purge lets you choose which galaxy you go to, to an extent. warping to the centre puts you in the next galaxy over from your current one, in sequence

[uncut harness]

Will side quests I current have reset?

[jovial violet]

nope, everything you have will stay, from missions and discoveries to equipment and bases

[uncut harness]

So I won't get a nag to do a side quest I've already done? That sounds good

Maybe I'll ha e better luck finding korvax casing in another galaxy I've been looking for a couple hours lol

[shell pawn]

I noticed when I was choosing my galaxy that the type of empty system Bud is doesn't match the wiki (wiki has Ancestral, the quest said Exhausted) does it change?

[jovial violet]

they're just adjectives to describe an empty galaxy. they're all functionally identical

[crisp fern]

they tend to use multiple adjectives for each type, much like planet biomes

[uncut harness]

Will my ship stuff be damaged from doing the purge?

If so will I need the wire loom things?

[shell pawn]

I suppose I assumed that like planet biomes, they were fixed though

The wiki also said the only way to learn a galaxy's adjective is to complete A New Beginning in that system, is that possible outside of Euc?

[jovial violet]

yes, as will your multitool and exosuit. it can be a bit of a pain

[jovial violet]

planet biomes also have a ton of adjectives. hot planets might be charred, fiery, scorched... but still a hot planet

[shell pawn]

Tech in general for your exosuit and ship only

[uncut harness]

Will it be the repairs that need wire looms?

[jovial violet]

you can complete the main quest in any galaxy

[shell pawn]

And all of your MT

[uncut harness]

I remember seeing Boiling Moon for a hot moon

[jovial violet]

you can check the repair costs by hovering over a tech and seeing what you'll get for dismantling it. 90% sure the dismantling resources you gain are what it needs to repair

[shell pawn]

Yes, but one planet always has the same adjective, no?

[uncut harness]

That's useful, I can stock up on what's needed before doing it so I can repair right away wince both exosuite cargo windows are maxed

[shell pawn]

How many times though, just the once?

[jovial violet]

i thought it could be random at times...

but i don't remember very well

yes, one main quest per save game. but you can teleport or manually jump through the centre to reach any galaxy and then do the mission there

[shell pawn]

A lot of folks switch to a clunker to do that for that reason

[shell pawn]

Ah that's how they get it then!

[uncut harness]

What's a clunker?

[shell pawn]

Just a basic ship with few upgrades

[jovial violet]

scheissenwagen of a ship. like a low tier ship you don't use or has no tech installed. or even just an ls with all the tech in the tech slots

[shell pawn]

Only your primary needs repaired

[jovial violet]

the jump doesn't damage your tech slots, yeah

[uncut harness]

That makes sense, keep your main ship on your freighter then summon it

[shell pawn]

Same idea with a spare MT

You can have up to three MTs and can swap whenever and wherever

[uncut harness]

MT?

[shell pawn]

Multitool

Okay I'm off before I see a spoiler I don't want to o7

[uncut harness]

I didn't know you can swap the tool how do you do that?

[icy citrus]

Quick menu

All the way left

[uncut harness]

I totally didn't change the clock on my ps5 so the stem matures

[icy citrus]

Roger that

[uncut harness]

I lie I did lol

[fast terrace]

Is there a resource I can read to get up to speed with the story/lore? I didn't play in a while

[mental socket]

nms wiki I think

[humble lance]

Wait so there's nothing for the atlas path after you gather the atlas seeds and warp through the black hole?

[heady wyvern]

@humble lance It loops, but that really doesn't do much

[crisp fern]

did we ever figure out if that was intentional? 🤔

[heady wyvern]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[rancid ether]

@lean quiver

[lean quiver]

Beautifully documented! The "before" picture is what normal folks going there see, I assume?

[rancid ether]

Im not sure tbh. I believe they will see the after picture

I think the game briefly generates the planet as an exotic

[lean quiver]

Very interesting to see the parts that are "downstream" of "Planet Type" in the planetgen (so the terrain itself is consistent)

[rancid ether]

Yeah, i took note of my coordinates when it was an exotic, then located the spot afterward and the portal was still there

Same planet in the background. Same hilled section with cave.

[lean quiver]

I actually assumed the "decorations" (flora/minerals/other assets) would be in the same places, just have a different appearance, but from the above, not so much: so those appear to be "downstream" in the planetgen too.

[lean quiver]

Very good work!

[rancid ether]

Thanks! I get interested in this weird stuff all the time so i wanted to figure out if what i thought was happening was actually true.

[glass flare]

i honestly assumed it was a one-off system that was outside of a real galaxy, only used as a set piece.

[modern phoenix]

So after I “reset the simulation” that’s the end?

So to speak?

[heady wyvern]

@modern phoenix End of that quest line. The game continues in the new galaxy, tho

[modern phoenix]

Oh, well I tp back to my base after…. Rip

[heady wyvern]

@modern phoenix Aye. Strange that your bases persist after all that, but I guess it's for the best

[ember grotto]

what the order of all the quests in the game

?

[heavy acorn]

im on a mission by the exocraft technician to reach a terminal in 2mins but when i get to the waypoint i see no terminal is this a bug

it then tells me to go back to the technician then they make me start it over again

[tulip magnet]

Omg nms frontier leak

Nvm

It’s just beyond

[gloomy isle]

I take it people have seen the corrupted panel in the nexus?

I'm guessing it's old

[heady wyvern]

@heavy acorn Is there any structure there when you arrive?

[heavy acorn]

I got it to work took a while but the structure was not loading in

[heady wyvern]

Aye. That happens when you tear across planets at high speeds

Sometimes

[rancid ether]

Honestly, just sounds like typical Vykeen metaphorical speak

"Christ is risen" etc etc

[uncut harness]

Yeah could be just a big metaphor

[rancid ether]

Also, notably they switch the pronouns for Hirk and Nal back to they/them

Which was one of the few inconsistencies in the original lore writing

[crisp fern]

i don't know that it's strictly metaphor considering Boundary Failure info

[uncut harness]

TBH I don't member a BF entry about that

Will look it up

[crisp fern]

the whole god devotion fluff, yeah, but Nal being sort of extracted, that's on point

[uncut harness]

SCENARIO: Lifeform designates ‘Vy’keen’ (2) approach the INSTANTIATION [‘Great Monolith’].

Silence / Acceptance of [-------] / Schism [Quasi-====] / Korvax [Eradication/Enslavement]. Vy’keen war emerges where individuals ‘Hirk’ and ‘Nal’ believe the other to have heard nothing. Repeated imagery of ‘six cries’.

ANALYSIS: Scenario involves murder of ally and culture becoming obsessed with destruction of artificial intelligence [Cautionary].

Semi-survival/retrieval of entity ‘Nal’ shows further instance of self-doubt by [-------]. Troubling factor: repeated pattern of [-------] silence and self-mythicization.

[old bone]

hey guys

I’m at the wipe system screen in the atlas room

what happens if I actually wipe the system ? will the game end ?

[sudden pond]

nope

you dont lose any access to anything, its just New Beginnings 😛

when you chose to wipe some... stuff happens. if you chose not to wipe now, you can always do it later by going through the center of the galaxy

[prime crown]

won't he change galaxies?

[sudden pond]

heh yeah but i wasnt going into all that detail ^^;

[prime crown]

i thought about putting it in spoiler tag, but then i looked at the channel name and it made no sense lol

[old bone]

what is New Beginnings ?

ohhh it’s the epilogue to the story

so if I decide to reset the universe or I initiate a personality interface it won’t make a difference ?

and whatever I do will lead to the same outcome right ?

[prime crown]

wiping means jumping to another galaxy, you won't be able to come back unless you have friends in your current system, but you won't lose your progress

[sudden pond]

you can just teleport back to any old bases you have to return to Euclid tho...

(make a new base in the new galaxy first)

[prime crown]

Ahh, yeah, I forgot about that teleporter

[old bone]

oh okay thanks guys

[sudden pond]

but yeah wiping really just means going to a new galaxy. if you chose not to go now, you can do it later by going through the center of the galaxy

[gloomy rose]

Is there complete write-up or good video about the lore?
I understood alot about the Atlas and the three races but there are still gaps

[sudden pond]

mmm the wiki has a lot of info, but its all spread out on various pages and such

[wheat trellis]

Eyo

May i ask you peeps a kinda strange question? 😄

When you move from Euclid, do you Reset the atlas?
And if so, why do Nada and the others remember you after doing so?
And do you Reset the atlas every single time when you move to the next Galaxy?

[fallow bison]

I’m not a lore expert but 1. Not the atlas but the simulation 2. The anomaly exists outside of time and space, also I’m not sure they really remember 3. I believe you are resetting the simulation

@wheat trellis

[wheat trellis]

1: Yeah, i miswrote it ,:D

2: The anomaly is part of the simulation

3: If you reset the simulation, why do you move to an another galaxy?

Also, why are there multiple galaxies in the first place? Because we know, that all galaxies are present and "living" at the same time, it's not like "Euclid is being replaced by Hilbert Dimension" which would happen, if you truly reset the Simulation, it would recreate everything with RNG basicly.

[muted charm]

can someone please explain to me the lore of the game? im still confused even after finishing it

thanks in advance

[muted charm]

;-;

[narrow hamlet]

Wait, you can teleport to other galaxies? I've never jumped. Got there twice in new save files and backed out both times...

[icy citrus]

Yes

[narrow hamlet]

Dang. I need to get on it then. Is that from an update? Everything I read says you can't go back.

[icy citrus]

Yep!

You used to not have any access to previous galaxies, now you can teleport back to any if you have a base or a space station in your telport list

[old bone]

is it better if i reset the simulation or if i refuse the atlas ?

[narrow hamlet]

I refused it's not anything to interesting.

[icy citrus]

Refuse and miss a blueprint

Just saying

[vestal ledge]

Truuuu

[shell pawn]

Ok I've gotten a little obsessed. How long has the simulation been running?

Nobody in universe seems to notice that everybody has ships but there are no ship factories

Did the First Spawn actually exist?

When we reset the sim, everything stays the same

[crisp fern]

look too deep and it honestly begins to fall apart, only barely held together by the weak, degrading systems, reason

[shell pawn]

The lack of ship factories is the first point in this game where I thought "this makes no sense"

That's the loose thread that unravels it all

[crisp fern]

there's also no multitool factories

[shell pawn]

Meh those can be made in those cabinets

With nanofabricators

Do the nanites make the ships? That's how they break down

[heady wyvern]

Maybe they have hidden starship cabinets

Like they do with the multitools

[storm hazel]

Given the size of space stations exterior compared to to their interior and that you can often get a feel for the colour schemes you can expect to find in a particular system by looking at the space station... I think it is fair to assume that a portion of a space station is set aside to make space ships

[uncut harness]

Why do I feel like sentinels are a bit of a joke compared to what they’ve done in lore
Either that or I have to wait until there are so many drones swarming me that I cant kill all of them

[thick lodge]

Honestly because the player travellers are the equivalent of space jesus

we're decked out in the finest armaments available, and have the ability to do basically everything

we even respawn as what we were before when we die, at least in normal mode

admittedly, that could just be a gameplay thing though

I'd like to think that sentinels give us a wide berth

its the whole "unstoppable force" meets an "immovable object"

[heavy laurel]

Y'know, for someone I never met or was able to have a fully functional conversation with, I'm still deeply upset with Artemis' fate

I feel like I let them down

[thick lodge]

Perhaps

Although I thought the whole thing with Artemis is that they were “you” before “you” existed

It’s still quite sad though

[sacred solar]

couldnt build a freighter inside a station though

[daring bronze]

Im here

[sacred solar]

hello here

[rancid ether]

During A Leap in the Dark you are brought to a planet that undergoes a drastic change in biome type. The only explanation after is that 20 years has passed since you first entered the portal, and then you find A's crash site...another traveller from a time different than your own.

[knotty mountain]

Does this share any relationship to the concept of the "phantom systems" that we were talking about previously?

[sacred solar]

so you could build some tech on a planet then go back in time to see what it was like

[knotty mountain]

Or forward

[sacred solar]

or maybe do it via station override, and the whole system changes time

[daring bronze]

I always thought this was because the atlas reset everything

[knotty mountain]

Right but if that's the case how is it still possible to get to it?

[daring bronze]

Just like the first time you initialize

[sacred solar]

thats a really cool thing that you noticed and captured there @rancid ether thank you for sharing

[daring bronze]

Atlas place you there

I'm not good at lore

[knotty mountain]

It's ok, very few people are, it's really scattered and all over the place

[rancid ether]

No, but it could possibly use those worlds. Theres even more evidence that suggests the existence of worlds that have shifted. There's a particular crash site that mentions a traveller trying to reach the hub region for the Alliance of Galactic Travellers, but the name given is the old name of the region, not the current name...and the crash log entry was added recently

[knotty mountain]

So then this could lead some credence to the theories of a "void" type area being released but not necessarily in the way people may be thinking

[indigo night]

That may be also a teaser:
Our next update Frontiers is something I’m very excited about. In some ways it is just another update, but in other ways it’s a missing piece of the sci-fi fantasy that we’ve always wanted to add, and very fitting for our fifth anniversary.

Time Travel ?

[rancid ether]

Yeah, very well could be. Some way to return to the old game in a way.

[gloomy isle]

Time travel (or extra dimensions) and/ or settlements

I think

[heady wyvern]

Hmm... could be interesting, how they pull that one off

If at all

[indigo night]

Maybe we can find the destroyed cities ,,

[gloomy isle]

A different type of portal, which takes you to a planet in the other dimension

Kinda like the upside down

It'd have much wilder generation

I think that's one way to do it

[icy citrus]

hi #nms-the-future

[rancid ether]

Sorry. It was spoilery so I didnt know which channel was best

[icy citrus]

you are fine, just redirecting further speculation 🙂

[crisp fern]

where do you get the 20 year figure from?

[tulip shuttle]

Intergalactic War?

[heavy acorn]

What happens once i finish the atlas path

Like what reward do i get

[prime inlet]

depends on what you choose

both choices will mark all black hole systems on the galaxy map, but only one of them will reward star seed

[heavy acorn]

Would i know which one gives the star seed

[prime inlet]

i think that if you stop and think about it when you see the two possible choices at the end, it should be easy to figure out which one

a seed is used to birth something

[heavy acorn]

Alrighty thanks

[desert wagon]

What's the significance of the number 16? I can't figure it out

[uncut harness]

Loop 16 = 16th iteration = 16th time this has happened.
It's also 16 minutes "real time" until the Atlas restarts to start Loop 17.

16^16 = the number of planets/moons.

[mental socket]

Didn't pre-release portals function like that. The portal took you to the same planet in another dimension or something

https://youtu.be/WQhSP82uhY4

[mental socket]

if you look at the 1:30 ==> you'll see they other side of the portal seems to be the same place with same flying animals etc

maybe that kind of functionality with boundary failures or something

[gloomy isle]

Yeah definitely! That's part of why I think it might come at some point. Plus, sean said they've wanted it for a long while

[uncut harness]

Iirc NMS spent 5 years in development before launch. Maybe he was referencing that... dunno what the implications of that are tho.

[glass flare]

hm I don't remember that, if memory serves the portals were intended to take you to planets closer to the center of the galaxy, which would be more difficult but also higher rewards. so basically an option to do grab and dash missions on planets that would normally wreck you

[crisp fern]

dunno if they elaborated in interviews or not, but going off trailers alone it always just appeared to be another method of travel

[gloomy isle]

In the trailer the terrain of the planet travelled to lined up with the starting planet

So I'd assume it could have been intended to be that at first

[glass flare]

I would assume the terrain lined up with the starting planet because their loading mechanism couldn't actually load in two worlds at the same time, so they faked it

[rancid ether]

I mean, they also walked through a portal and another portal was visible directly in front of them.
Scripted trailer basically.

[glass flare]

finally found the portal source. Game Informer 2015 interview. https://i.reddituploads.com/d3d649258b374918864d40f72cee5a0c?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=0913948c22de9785299a46bbace95ee7

[uncut harness]

Interesting

[mighty rampart]

damn now that makes me wish there was a bit of metroid like gaming too

(not the coloured drives, I cant count those)

[knotty mountain]

Lol secret surprise at galaxy center turned out to be "welcome to galaxy 2, it's galaxy 1 but different"

[mighty rampart]

I think the message went over the player's head because of the terrible launch

they set out to make this game that made you feel like an absolute speck in the midst of it all, going to the center just to find out that there's not just one galaxy of billions of systems all unique but there's multiple galaxies each having billions of systems was the whole "holy shit" moment they were trying to go for

[gloomy isle]

I remember seeing that now! I feel like that could work today, but they'd have to do it as a seperate dimension type thing. I guess closer to something like the nether

Ideally with actually greater variety and more unhinged generation

On a separate note, I do wonder if there was initially a different plan as to what was at the centre...

[mighty rampart]

kinda doubt it

[uncut harness]

Only thing regarding the centre was weirder planets as you got closer. I imagine it didn't give the results they hoped for so scrapped it entirely.

I don't think anything was ever claimed about the centre itself cause it was always "play and find out" when questioned in interviews.

[mighty rampart]

I think people misinterpreted that

because now that I think about it, most likely Sean just meant that as you journey along to the center you'll also come across weird planets

weirder ones as you go about the center

and that's true, the likelihood of you finding weird planets will be higher the more systems you visit especially coloured ones

[uncut harness]

You're probably not wrong. Easy to mistakenly hear/read things when you're clouded with excitement.

[mighty rampart]

not just that, but he was also not used to talking verbosely for interviews which led to him saying stuff that was too vague

[uncut harness]

Ah yes, very true. He genuinely did get excited when speaking about NMS too.

[shut vale]

yeah

i got teleported into Hilbert

yeah

but i forgot which galaxy type

do i get to choose which galaxy type to head to when i reach the core?

so whats the next galaxy after euclid?

[steel wing]

Hilbert

[shut vale]

darn

so if i chose another galaxy type in the Atlas path, will i be teleported into hilbert too?

so your choice in The Purge sets the order of the galaxies?

[steel wing]

no

you get 4 galaxy options which are always the same 4 galaxies

[shut vale]

so if i core jump in euclid after choosing lush, i'll be sent to hilbert?

yeah

so i shouldn't have chosen norm

i get it now

[daring helm]

if I get to the the galactic center, do I get the choice of where to go, and if not, can I head back when I get to the next galatic core, if that'as how it works.

Going back without heading through the 270 galaxies that is.

[rancid ether]

You can just teleport back. I'd recommend placing a base in the new galaxy first though

[daring helm]

Ok, and I have already seen the story, so what exactly changes between resetting the simulation and refusing atlas.

[rancid ether]

resetting the simulation is what gets you to the new galaxy (or "reset" simulation)

You'll get to choose which type of galaxy as well.
||red = harsh (Calypso)||
||green = Lush (Eissentam)||
||blue (maybe?) = Empty (Budullangr)||
||white (or maybe blue?) = normal (Hilbert)||

[daring helm]

Everytime you get to the center can you pick?

Also thanks for the answers.

[tepid iris]

So in canon the previous universe doesn't exist anymore?

and you can only return for gameplay reasons?

[rancid ether]

The canon doesn't quite line up with the ability to return tbh.
I don't really know how that could be fixed but I dont think it ruins the game or story either.

[tepid iris]

Well returning wouldn't bne canon but just gameplay vs lore

[gloomy isle]

Does anyone know what planets spawn around the green stars?

Never seen much on them

[heady wyvern]

Usually, more exotic and dead planets. @gloomy isle

Don't necessarily think that's a spoiler, either

[gloomy isle]

Aah good to know! I always assumed it'd be lush for some reason

[heady wyvern]

Cause green is usually associated with Lush Galaxies, i.e. Eissentam?

[gloomy isle]

Yeah probably

[daring helm]

Doing the quest for artimes line where I have to activate a portal, do all need resources like that one?

[icy citrus]

Yes

[daring helm]

also, once activated always activated always activated?

[fast fiber]

If I finish The Purge, does it reset all my tech and unlocks?????

[daring helm]

for "locate the crashed freighter", part of "The first traveler", I get to the freighter yet no mission progress. What am I doing wrong?

[icy citrus]

Not always, but for a long time

[icy citrus]

No

[icy citrus]

Did you interact with the beacon?

[fast fiber]

Oh good, thank you

[daring helm]

I only see the frighter terminal.

so I guess not?

[icy citrus]

Should be above the ground a bit, on part of the ship - right by the landing area

[daring helm]

I did

It says needs 1 encrytption log but I already put one in, did I sequence break it? Never mind, I didn't

[daring helm]

is it possible to complete the purge without all the glyphs unlocked

[heady wyvern]

@daring helm You will inevitably gain all glyphs as part of The Purge

[daring helm]

Alright thanks

[uncut harness]

@mental socket

A week ago or so the QS vendor glitched for me, showed all fireworks completed and the new items popped

[mental socket]

That's right. Had the same thing happen

but the placeable items themselves only have debug text/string references

[last anchor]

Yooo it jumped from 45 percent to 64 an hour ago

[mental socket]

ooh

[mental socket]

I assumed the spurt happened overnight. Much more interesting if it was a sudden jump

[last anchor]

I thought that i had just forgotten to refresh but no someone told me it jumped

[gloomy isle]

Definitely gearing up

[last anchor]

yh boi

hype

i just want a picture at least

[uncut harness]

What a fantastic username. 🤔

[stuck hinge]

Where that COVER ART Sean!!!

[nocturne zephyr]

it's inside the patch notes

[daring helm]

does the purge actually expect me to get to the center of the galaxy

[icy citrus]

No

Just start warping

[daring helm]

Alright thanks

[daring helm]

resetting the simulation, what colored orb do I pick

[heady wyvern]

@daring helm Depends. What are you looking for?

[daring helm]

I mainly just travel around, gathering resources to make money. Don't plan on setting up a mining outpost for a little bit, but I most likely will in the second galaxy

[heady wyvern]

@daring helm Then you can really pick whatever you want.

Red - more hostile planets
Green - more lush planets
Blue - More empty/exotic planets
White/Teal - Euclid-like planet distribution

[daring helm]

Most likely going teal then, thanks.

[crisp fern]

To Wherestron:

The Atlas exists to simulate universes, in an attempt to understand the nature of reality (i.e. whether it's a simulation or not). It wasn't really intended for it to get involved in the realities it simulated, that happened much later as it began to degrade.

[dapper breach]

btw do we know really anything about the family of glass besides the few mentions?

[lean quiver]

That we shouldn't throw stones? 😉

heh, found a "Curious Deposit" that was Runaway Mould. Large quantities of it.

[lean quiver]

It's quiet. Too quiet.

Woohoo! 20/20 flora found now! (Turns out there were two types of sodium-rich plants and I had only scanned one before.)

Now just two minerals to find!

[modern parrot]

I honestly hope for a galaxy reset at some point. when they added crossplay I thought they were going to do it but they didn't. multiple discoveries were overwritten at the time (the oldest one took precedence)

[mighty rampart]

I hope they never reset the galaxy

[lean quiver]

They could easily add more galaxies to get the effect of a reset without throwing out all that has gone before (which would infuriate many)

... There is something rather satisfying about exploring caves and underwater caves, as you go prying open near-closed chambers, finding your way into untapped caves and caverns beyond.

[rancid ether]

Yep, #nms-spoilers is not the most hoppin place lol

[lean quiver]

lol, I misclicked into here and didn't notice I was in the wrong channel XD

[rancid ether]

Haha, figured id give you the heads up. Was surprised to see you commenting so much here lol

[amber dagger]

In my opinion Null is one of the bigger mysteries in Nms....so much that fits together but isn't proven...

I ust remembered what a null value actually means...this character just feels weird...how does he know nada? why do both of their names mean nothing?

Is hein the anomaly? Has he replaced Ariadne? We on't really know

where did he even get the idea about merging with a Mind arc???

I don't need rest, I NEED AWSERS

[icy citrus]

I have no awsers!

[amber dagger]

I know too much...

[icy citrus]

Seriously though, there are a bunch of loose threads I hope get picked up at some point

[amber dagger]

Me too! I'm gla they expanded on null, but we need more

i only recently learned how the first spawn made Korvax looki like them and it was freaky! The archives are great, btu we need more!

if you want to find lore, you need to dig deep and I mean deep

[icy citrus]

Yep!

We have the World of Glass just kinda sitting there also

[amber dagger]

Same with nada. The game hints he may have had a pet and such, but we barely know anything about him

[icy citrus]

And the Abyss

[amber dagger]

one thing is interesting. Think of nanites

one traveller shows you a mask of nanites can copy faces

artemis tells of 16 wearing our face

are they covered in nanites?

[icy citrus]

Maybe!

[amber dagger]

And rampancy! Nada is scared of it, the krvax are scared of it? Is it a disease??

is it contagius??

at least we know what the water is now

ther eis special water that if someone drinks it they seem to become self aware

null drank it....

i hope the abyss are responsible for the corruption. It would fill a few holes at least

Perhaps the abyss are the virus that is causing the corruption

that reminds me of the prophet. Several years ago I created a character that was spreading corruption like a disease. It killed organic beings and infected anorganic ones

[icy citrus]

My theory on the Abyss is it is either a previous version of the Atlas that wasn't completely purged, or a backup for the inevitable collapse of Atlas

[amber dagger]

hmm i see

though we knoe the korvax are the prototype...would they appear like the korvax then?

I'm so exited, my brain is brimming with ideas!

God dammiit sean!

[icy citrus]

Lol

[amber dagger]

still, they missed out on making an event of the first spawn returnig

they could have done that

still sigh something just feels off somehow...like there is something I'm missing

16

[uncut harness]

They haven’t updated the lore since living ship I think

I do not believe we’ll have answers :/

It would be cool if they created another storyline. Or redid the Artemis one to be more showy and not telly

[frigid silo]

I'm more looking for the return of the Aeron

[mighty rampart]

you forgot Desolation

that was the last time they added lore of any sort

[icy citrus]

Archives

[mighty rampart]

fuck

why the hell did I think that was from Desolation

[icy citrus]

Lol, they have so many it starts to blend

[uncut harness]

I haven’t played in a hot minute

[uncut harness]

Sentinels?

They should call them aerons if they ever become greater threats

As a call back

I like sentinels more as a name but aerons sounds like something cool to have in the lore again somewhere

[frigid silo]

I think the Aerons created the sentinals or are they the sentinals? not sure tbh

[uncut harness]

I think they’re sentinels but it’s been so long I can’t remember what gave me this information exactly

[frigid silo]

Wait is Telemon and the sentinels related?

Telemon is the inhibitor AI for the atlas

[amber dagger]

Telemon and sentinels? no. Null an Telamon yes

telamno entered nulls suit when he was sent away and tol null about the water

you can find the texts in the boundary failures on exotic planets

[uncut harness]

Yeah Telamon is analytical. Atlas does the sentinels thang

[amber dagger]

though as far as I knoe the sentinels no longer work under the atlas

[heady wyvern]

I thought Telemon was the player's exosuit AI, not Null's.

Could be both though

Can't underestimate AI

[amber dagger]

the texts say otherwise

[heady wyvern]

Hmm

[amber dagger]

they say he entered nulls

read them, trust me

they were updated for a reason I think

Also, I think I understand Rampancy now

it seems to be triggered by anger as null showed it when he got upset about the ATLAS rejecting him

he was mad they no longer spoke to him, but us

[crisp fern]

think it's more somewhere between, since Telamon was supposedly an oversight protocol

[crisp fern]

Null is a traveler, Telamon was jammed in all travelers' exosuits if I'm not mistaken

[amber dagger]

yes, the boundary failures confir it was nulls suit

they also explain how his glowing head came to be

[mighty rampart]

The newer boundary failure logs do suggest that telamon was in Null's suit, and consequently ours too

[amber dagger]

yep

[static abyss]

So is telamon the exosuits voice?

[compact coyote]

Guess so

[viral swallow]

The suit voice is Australian cortana

[static abyss]

Really or jk?

[glass flare]

i wish it had an aussie accent. "Credits received, mate"

[compact coyote]

Does it have a British accent

[heady wyvern]

yewnets receeved

[heavy acorn]

If i reset the simulation will i still be able to complete the atlas path

[rancid ether]

Just ask Polo for directions to an Atlas Station after the reset, that will direct you to the nearest one to continue Atlas Path

[heavy acorn]

Alrigthy thanks

I dont lose anything like bases for resetting right

[rancid ether]

Youll be fine. You can teleport back to them with a normal teleporter

i recommend making a base immediately after the reset before you teleport anywhere

[heavy acorn]

Sounds good

[crisp fern]

here's an off the wall question, has anyone ever found the homeworlds of these things?

as in, are the names drawn from planets that might be found out there...somewhere...? lol

[supple crater]

Dunno. But I hope we can visit Balaron and Dryn'dargh some day.

[crisp fern]

ytho

[amber dagger]

hmm what if telamon seeks out whoever is in contact with the ATLAS and guides them?

I am still amazed. I spend 300 hrs seeking out lore and there are still things I'm figuring out

[crisp fern]

well some of it is timegated so that makes sense
-stares in base computer archives-

[amber dagger]

i love those stories btw. Maybe one day pet setinels will be a thing

[desert wagon]

Why do the portals fail for Apollo and Atlas?

But don't fail for your character

[uncut harness]

Cause only Travellers can see Portals. They don't exist for anyone else, or any other species.

[supple crater]

Artemis and Apollo are Travellers.

There's a story/lore reason I just don't remember what it is.

[uncut harness]

GOOD point. I completely misread what he said. I really should learn to read.

[subtle gorge]

aren't we also?

[supple crater]

Yes.

[uncut harness]

Yes but Alex asked why Portals failed for Apollo and Atlas (Assumed meant Artemis) and I replied incorrectly cause I didn't read it properly.

In game, Apollo did travel to the same location as us but failed to see us even though we were stood in the same location as they were.

The portal did work but the point in time that we were stood in is/was different to the point in time that Apollo was stood in.

[supple crater]

Well, the simulations are failing (which is why the realities are breaking apart and Travellers can seemingly travel between them). Atlas is out there crying because he's 16 minutes away from being consumed by a black hole.

[desert wagon]

I did indeed mean Artemis

[amber dagger]

well to be honest

they failed for us once too

when you mee the atlas for the second time you end up in space

and well...I managed to get stuck on a planet once too....

i travelled through a portal too often and no exit portal appeared

i kinda felt it was intentional, as Nada told us they were dangeous

[static abyss]

WHO is stuck by a black hole???

[supple crater]

Uh. The planet where Atlas is on is going to be consumed by a black hole.

[static abyss]

THE atlas?

[supple crater]

Yes.

[static abyss]

Where'd you get this? Space stations? Archives?

[amber dagger]

it's from the story

the colossal gravitanional event

that's the black hole

[supple crater]

You can find lore from the story & bits scattered around in plaques, monoliths, boundary failures, etc.

[static abyss]

Ah. I completed the story a while ago so I probably forgot

[amber dagger]

they did add some stuff

[static abyss]

So the planet the atlas is on is going to die?

[amber dagger]

yep

[supple crater]

Yes.

[static abyss]

Sux

[supple crater]

For us.

[amber dagger]

aaaaaaaaand we left Artemis in limbo for 20 years btw

and nada and polo too

[static abyss]

What do u mean?

[amber dagger]

well, when you make the mind arc you can talk to artemis some more. He tells you he was waiting on us for 20 years

so our first portal trip took 20 years

[static abyss]

Oh

[amber dagger]

that's why naa and polo were so upset

[static abyss]

They were upset?

[amber dagger]

Polo missed us, yes

[uncut harness]

@static abyss after you beat the Artemis storyline, you can unlock these locked off doors in space stations

Inside are terminals recounting the past before the atlas began to die, which is the primary place the black hole is mentioned

It’s a good read, I recommend doing them. But you can also dig up the logs. It explains why multiplayer is happening

[static abyss]

But the logs r rare

[uncut harness]

Yeah probably

I used to just read the game lore from text files extracted from the game

If you guys want more good lore

The abyss update added rather hidden backstory, to the sunken ruins

It’s so weird

Abstract

[idle kindle]

Why is Artemis stuck in a reality bubble? Why can’t he just materialize into our universe?

[uncut harness]

iirc it’s because they’re already dead and in the world of glass

Also because travellers are by nature not meant to be in the same universe

[idle kindle]

But we are all dead. It’s a loop right?

[uncut harness]

Yeah the game loves loop talk

I don’t know about us all being dead per se

The person the travelers are based on (the one atlas scanned and put into itself) is definitely dead

But we aren’t exactly them I think?

[idle kindle]

Hmmmm

I just assumed we were atlas, but an extension of atlas trying to fix itself.

So none of us are real, yet we exist.

Only in the simulation

[uncut harness]

No you’re right

The remembrance lore and the Artemis storyline reveal you’re a duplication of the creator of the atlas, materialized by the atlas to fix itself

[idle kindle]

Hmmmm…. So how does Nada know the options we have and how to do it? Has Nada become some kind of….thinks the Oracle from matrix?

[uncut harness]

I’ve never seen that movie actually

Who’s Oracle

[idle kindle]

The Oracle is a part of the simulation, but also a part of the creator. She is what the simulation created to help itself not make the same mistakes. I think.

[uncut harness]

There’s actually lore for nada and polo that was in the arg. Not sure if it helps or doesn’t help this theory but it’s there

Someone can correct me if they have a better recollection, but from what I remember: Nada was found in a crashed vessel by Polo, and in the vessel was stuff from a different universe. Events that did not happen

[idle kindle]

I’ve not seen it. I would love to delve deeper but I’m afraid of finding out the canon isn’t quite….there? Finished? I don’t want to be disappointed if it doesn’t make sense.

Why did I turn orange!?

[uncut harness]

Haha you leveled up

Also don’t worry the storyline is really fleshed out

It gets confusing with the arg but the arg is a more contextual side narrative. Everything in game is laid out very well

[idle kindle]

Where do I find the arg?

[heady wyvern]

You're gonna have to do some bookwork for that. The ARG, entitled Waking Titan, ended a long time ago. Only records kept by the participants remain. @idle kindle

[idle kindle]

Is it on the wiki? Or is there a database somewhere?

[uncut harness]

There is

@idle kindle

https://wiki.gamedetectives.net/index.php?title=Waking_Titan

All you need is here

[idle kindle]

I misspelled my forking name….

Noice

I got some reading to do now lol

[uncut harness]

Lmk if you have questions or thoughts I love talking about the arg

[tranquil perch]

oh lord...

[idle kindle]

I’m sure I’ll be spending a few days discussing this. Thank you for the help!

[uncut harness]

Np. Anytime

[amber dagger]

Nada, Null, nothing

how curios

Coincidence? i thnink not

[rancid ether]

nice, someone else caught that little tidbit

[amber dagger]

yes! took me a while though

[rancid ether]

did you also notice this

[amber dagger]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

cool!

that is actually really cool

by the way, did you ever see two space stations in one system?

[uncut harness]

What on Earth! How is this not more commonly known? That's awesome.

[amber dagger]

Indeed!

[rancid ether]

Haha tbf, ive played through the storyline quite a few times. I suspected it the first time I played through this part, and then was sure it was happening after another playthrough. I decided to document it as best I could by backtracking the coordinates to rediscover the portal afterward. In my experience, its always been a glitch planet first, then becomes a non glitch biome afterward. I took that to mean the world was still being created by the Atlas when I arrived, and then Artemis mentioning the 20 year absence added to Nada and Polo's confusion of meeting me a second time kind of explained the change.

[amber dagger]

woah

[uncut harness]

It's such a subtle feature that apparently 99% of us have missed it.
I'm super tempted to sit through the story again to see what else I have apparently missed.

[amber dagger]

so the worlds aren't glitched but...unfinished?

[rancid ether]

That's my takeaway at least

[amber dagger]

awesome!

[uncut harness]

I like that take tbh

[amber dagger]

yeah!

Man I love this game

[rancid ether]

Its all the more haunting later when the Atlas asks you, "Did my worlds please you?" ...as if to say the worlds were created just for your satisfaction in order to give the Atlas assurance that it performed well.

[amber dagger]

imean...it makes sense since we are iterations of its creator

[rancid ether]

Yeah, i was thinking the same

[amber dagger]

which makes me wonder...in the texts int he server rooms the last logs says that somebody will be there for its final few minuits....I wonder if that will be us

would be nice...to leave the simulation and all

[mighty rampart]

that explains why I'm able to go back but the planet isn't the same

it was intended

[crisp fern]

wat, that was added in later with some update, as originally i don't think post-"save" dialogs mention anything of the sort

[amber dagger]

perhaps. It's lore non the less. That's why I played through the story at least 5 time

[crisp fern]

wonder when they added that 🤔

[crisp fern]

I'm fairly certain this was a change made in one of the updates, as I remember reviewing the Artemis dialogs after "saving" them shortly after Atlas Rises released and there wasn't a mention of time spent waiting

[stiff barn]

Someone help me? The atlas gave me the option to appreciate the galaxy or reset the simulation, but now I want to continue the story and the mission is stuck at "appreciate the galaxy"

[knotty mountain]

It do that for everyone, we are unsure if it's a glitch or intentional

[shell pawn]

@stiff barn you only get the option once

Did you get teleported after you chose?

[heady wyvern]

Sounds like you finished the quest line. Good job.

[tranquil perch]

Okay so i'm gonna ask here since I don't think I can ask this without spoiling someone. I'm trying to figure out this whole Artemis VS Atlas thing and it's really doing my head in. I get conflicting answers like "Do Artemis before Atlas and do Atlas in the different Galaxy." Or "No do Atlas first until a certain point THEN do Artemis" Or even "Do both but one up to a certain point, then the other, etc."

I'm not even sure if it's worth it to even be worrying about this and just do Artemis like I did in my old save. Is it even possible to complete both branches? If I decide to reset the simulation and chose a galaxy that isn't the next galaxy after Euclid (Hilbert Dimension i think it is?) Can I use a base teleport to go back to Euclid, go all the way to Euclid's core, and end up in the Hilbert Dimension, effectively unlocking 3 galaxies to explore?

[crisp fern]

For the last few questions, yes, at least as long as you plant a base in each respective galaxy

As to the other questions, it's possible to finish both paths, and what you've been seeing is some mixed info on how people prefer to approach/prioritize them. Some might recommend doing Artemis Path up to The Purge (or whichever mission has you warp several times) and taking the required warps opportunity to complete/finish up the Atlas Path, so then you essentially complete both at the same time.

I don't know that it really matters which order you approach the paths in tho tbh

[tranquil perch]

so it's really up to personal preference at that point

I don't even know what the Atlas Path entails, or if it gives any extra lore that you wouldn't have gotten if you just went Artemis and never even looked at Atlas

[crisp fern]

it does have some extra info, but the trick with the Atlas Path is that you get a better picture of what's going on through it if you've learned more of the Atlas language, which is...Not the most straightforward process

you can go through it no problem without knowing the language, of course, but you'll only be getting kinda half of the picture

[tranquil perch]

how does one learn more of the Atlas language?

[crisp fern]

last i checked it was still primarily through the monolith interactions

I don't know if they've added any other ways to learn it over the updates, and maybe the translator tech is able to help translate some of it, but I'm not sure

[tranquil perch]

hmmm i see

another thing i have to grind apparently...220 words,,jesus

[tranquil perch]

I'll admit i'm still deeply confused, i feel like this is a rather huge oversight in the design of the quests..makes them confusing as hell

[rancid ether]

check around the floor of the Atlas stations.
Theyre some little glow pad things that will sometimes teach you a word

[tranquil perch]

can't you only find a certain amount of atlas stations though?

[rancid ether]

Theres one in every region of the galaxy, so basically millions

[tranquil perch]

..well that explains why they want you to go through black holes then..

still though just using atlas stations for the language seems like it'd take forever, especially having to go through all those hoops just to get to one

[rancid ether]

just to get to ...an Atlas Station?

[tranquil perch]

well yeah wouldn't you have to go through a black hole, find atlas station, get the word balls, go back to anomoly, ask for another black hole, and repeat? 'sa lotta steps

[rancid ether]

oh, the atlas path should point you to the next atlas station

if you lose the path, then ask polo for directions to an atlas station

[tranquil perch]

yeah but learning all 200 or so words from just Atlas stations might be a bit tedious still, i think there's only,,what, 3 or 4 of those little ball things per station?

[rancid ether]

i ran through the atlas path recently on a new creative save and by the time i was at the last step, i knew ~110 words

theres quite a few of those light ball things strewn about the station

[idle kindle]

How do I find more of these?

This was the coolest lore I’ve found so far

I need MOAR

[rancid ether]

uh...Remembrance terminal?

Check buildings that have 1-2 attached rooms, they should have a locked door and sometimes a Remembrance terminal will be behind there

Same for space stations and abandoned space stations

[idle kindle]

Will there be more than one in a planet?

Or should I go to another system after finding one?

So I can just go back to all the stations I never bothered checking.

[tranquil perch]

soo perhaps i should do the atlas path up until maybe i get the blueprint for the first atlas seed, since i read that if you go full on into artemis without doing anything from the atlas path, if you go into the next galaxy, it bricks the atlas path...that was written two years ago so idk if it's relevant now but again, lots of conflicting information on how this is supposed to work,,,in addition to all the words i need to learn

[idle kindle]

If you leave galaxy atlas is locked I think

I made that mistake once

[tranquil perch]

well actually the one consistent bit of info i've gathered is that if you do SOMETHING a certain way, you can do Atlas path in the next galaxy. It's the SOMETHING that seems rather inconsistent though

[idle kindle]

Long ago tho

[rancid ether]

atlas path can be completed after artemis path now

ive personally done it after completing artemis path and moving to a new galaxy

[tranquil perch]

Really? when was that patched in?

[rancid ether]

idk, but i did this back in September (2020)

[tranquil perch]

maybe it was after Expeditions then

[rancid ether]

expeditions came out this year

it shouldnt be an issue is what im trying to say

[tranquil perch]

wow it really has been a long time since i played NMS seriously then

like i think i completed the main story back when Synthesis was still new

[rancid ether]

Oh yeah, been a few updates since then 😄

[tranquil perch]

actually no it hasn't been a long time, only like a year or two, there's just been THAT MANY damn updates that a year or two is actually a long time and a lot of information is probably outdated XD

that's..a contradictory statement but you get my point

I'll just go Artemis first then like i did last time

maybe make a manual save before i do anything with the "final interface station" thing

alright well thanks for all the help

[crisp fern]

do those stones only teach Atlas lingo now? They used to teach a random word pulled from any of the languages

[supple crater]

Right in the feels

[supple crater]

Wrapped up the Artemis Path - first time to full completion, chose to reset the simulation.
I think it's a testament to the writers that even though the storytelling medium isn't the most appealing (to most, anyway, it was fine with me), they managed to keep me enthralled every step of the way & made me feel for characters that were essentially some text in a box. Great stuff, can't wait to see more.

[crisp fern]

Congrats, there's Archives, explorable Derelicts, and a few secondary mission chains with more!

[supple crater]

Yea I've done 'em all, I was just putting off completing the Artemis Path.

[uncut harness]

what did the korvax do?

[dapper breach]

this typing has gone on for concerningly long

[supple crater]

@desert wagon @uncut harness People forget the Gek's change from First Spawn to current Gek wasn't the Gek just deciding to change one day. Korvax threw themselves in droves to their spawn pools to let their nanite clusters infect the embryos of Gek. Sure, they did it out of desperation, but it's an atrocity all the same. It's how the Gek came to worship Atlas, and their impulse for trading is just a byproduct of their impulse for violence, the Korvax just twisted it.

[uncut harness]

I mean if the gek were still to be the first spawn probably most if not all of the galaxies or only euclid would be dominated by gek and korvax wouldn't exist anymore

i do believe too that they invented some stuff and were still to make more

also

[uncut harness]

mucho texto

[outer cobalt]

Are you sure the other is not an Atlas Station?

[amber dagger]

I'm certain it isn't. Zoom in, they have the same shape

[outer cobalt]

Not the same shape and the top one does have the shape of an Atlas Station

[amber dagger]

it does?

[outer cobalt]

Of course depending on the angle it would be more or less clear.

[supple crater]

Yes.

[amber dagger]

it looks like a sort of hexago to me

no, look again, the entrance is blue too

it has too many edges in my opinion

[outer cobalt]

bottom I see blue, top I can't tell, other than it appears to have entrance near bottom left of it

[amber dagger]

it's really a really weird thing

[outer cobalt]

Did you take the image yourself?

[amber dagger]

yep

from my new run. I got it when i went through a portal for the first time to meet the atlas

[outer cobalt]

And you have not investigated?

[amber dagger]

I couldn't. Since it was the first time I had no ship

I also was teleported a few seconds later

[outer cobalt]

Too bad.

[amber dagger]

I just realized I don't have the cords either, dammit

maybe I'll do another run and see if it happens again

[outer cobalt]

Atlas Station and Space Station sightings in same system have been reported multiple times, although not often enough to be common knowledge and certainly an intriguing sight. You'll likely be able to make it happen again if you wish.

[supple crater]

Eh? All Atlas Interface stations I've found had a Space Station in the same system.

[outer cobalt]

ahuh

[supple crater]

🤷

Just tested it now.

There's the station.

There's the Atlas.

[gloomy isle]

Definitely an atlas station

There's a red entrance on the bottom left

Also the same shape an an atlas station

[supple crater]

#no-mans-sky

[desert wagon]

Oh yeah

I thought I was already there

Force of habit, my bad

[amber dagger]

@outer cobalt So, apparently each planet you end up on has an Altas interfacce and space station in it. Just went throught he last poertal and it happened again

[outer cobalt]

Yup, I knew you would figure that one out.

Actually not every planet. You are being send to a system with an Atlas Interface

[amber dagger]

ah

I'm still amzed how much new stuff I find

[outer cobalt]

Well, it is quite a sandbox ...

[amber dagger]

Yeah

[outer cobalt]

@amber dagger Did you know that all systems with an Atlas Station have a specific value in the Galactic coordinates or for that matter specific glyphs in the full sequence?

Black Hole too for that matter

[amber dagger]

Really? Whoa

[amber dagger]

Ph yes, by the way I finally get Nientes Sin

it wasn't the whole "oh I merged with a mind arc and stole travellers soul and impersonated them" Nah. He commited a terribel crime by drinking the water.
Because of that he was punished, simular to how how adam and eve were punishe for eating the forbide fruit

[desert wagon]

So, time in the Atlas simulation passes much slower than "real time", right?

Like, the 16 minutes the atlas has left is stretched out a lot

[uncut harness]

Correct.

[supple crater]

Yea

We don't really get a sense of the timescale

[shell pawn]

What happens if you go to another galaxy and finish the artemis path? Are the galaxy choices different?

Or is it unknown 👀

[icy citrus]

They are different, it takes you to the closest in numerical order. So if you did the quest in Eissentam and picked lush, you would get Isdoraijung

[shell pawn]

Excellent, I have a plan then

[sudden pond]

err.. since all atlas stations appear only at yellow stars and since all yellow stars are guaranteed to be living, all atlas stations appear in systems that also have space stations ^^;

unless im just horribly confused about something ^^;;;

[shell pawn]

Yellow can be abandoned or uncharted, no?

[glass flare]

Maybe. I suspect this is due to either 1) the simulation we're in is a sub-simulation, which due to processing constraints cannot run the simulation in real time. or 2) the effects from the proximity of the black hole is causing time dilation

[desert wagon]

I never even thought about time dilation

[glass flare]

the idea of us being in a sub-simulation also presents the possibility that everything we think we know about the creators of Atlas could be a fabrication by the parent simulation

[desert wagon]

I know it's not possible but it would be neat to be able to "save"the atlas, and move it out of the black hole's gravitational field

[glass flare]

I kind of wish they had weaved Waking Titan universe into the game. I know Sean said that the community helped write the origin of NMS (or something like that), but is WT reeeeally canon in their minds?

[gloomy isle]

It kinda feels like the deep lore, I guess. I'd compare it to the precursors in Halo, or the whacky stuff you get if you dig too deep into the elder scrolls

It's Canon, but deep enough that the main games don't really touch on it

But knowing it makes stuff kinda neat

[crisp fern]

going off Waking Titan info the universe we're exploring is a sub-simulation, and it helped prove to the creators that they were themselves in a simulation thanks to the accuracy of predictions

Source: https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.wakingtitan.com/data/94a10118-0728-4900-9730-f82a9d412745.pdf

[glass flare]

This theory (I don't know if it's a real one) always bugged me a bit because simulating the minds of billions of sentient beings feels beyond what any simulation could do without draining all the resources of the parent simulation. It's certainly something that NMS has always struggled with lol.

[crisp fern]

I think part of the idea allowing for that kinda simulation is that the parent sim is able to because it's of "limited complexity" which is maybe another way of saying the beings in it aren't as complex as they think they are, lmao

so in turn the actual host of the parent sim isn't running it at full complexity

or hasn't developed it to be that complex as it's being used for different aims or something

[wanton escarp]

Guys

ehm

there are new icons on anomally

is that normal?

[glass flare]

what kind of icons?

[wanton escarp]

Well, I can't share my screen shot

https://prnt.sc/1qdi3f2 here and I hope you understand by what I mean @glass flare

[crisp fern]

that may be for indicating an encrypted mission is available if i were to guess. Check the Nexus to verify

[wanton escarp]

nah

just regular missions

[alpine blaze]

can i ask questions about the Living ship quest in #nms-questions? didn;t want to spoil stuff for people

i'm at the final step, with the crackling egg (finally) and had a question

[narrow tapir]

Time dilation is a bitch

[rancid ether]

You're fine to ask here in or in #nms-questions.
If you think it's a spoiler, just use spoiler tags when in #nms-questions

[alpine blaze]

ok thanks

so now that i have a living ship, is it easier to find newer ones?

i've been waiting on building my fleet on PS5 until i had the living ship, but the damn thing is purple lol

i know i can find mods, etc, but are there options for new ships?

[hearty karma]

Yes. After completing the initial quest, each egg just hatches upon going into shift drive.

[alpine blaze]

so i can just buy new eggs for 3200 (or wtf it is) and find them?

what happens if i break this one down, do i get living ship mods

[hearty karma]

You can just find them upon pulse driving in the system.

I'm also not sure if you can break them down from the ship scrapper, never tried.

[alpine blaze]

oh interesting

[hearty karma]

Getting new mods for living ships happens from random encounters when using your shift drive.

[alpine blaze]

yeah, i read that. ok cool. and that is how i can also find new eggs?

[hearty karma]

The eggs I think are only obtained from the QS merchant. There was one gifted during an expedition, but I believe that is the only other way.

[alpine blaze]

gotcha

thank you

[hearty karma]

Like I said though, there is one living ship variant per system. So I believe the way to go about it is to use save states. Save before cracking the egg, land where it is. If you like it, it's yours. If you don't, reload and warp somewhere else.

[alpine blaze]

oh good to know

thanks Gravy Jones

[hearty karma]

No problem

[ember grotto]

so i ask it here, if i what to go to other galaxies (random) I need go the canter of that galaxy i am in, am i right?

[mighty rampart]

Yes

If you're in Euclid, you will reach Hilbert

https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Galaxy

Scroll down and you'll see the list of all galaxies, they're ordered in the manner you'd progress to

[shell pawn]

There's no way to go to a random galaxy, except handing your controller to someone with a lot of time

[mighty rampart]

Yeah basically if you want to go to galaxy number 26, you gotta go to the center 25 times

[ember grotto]

so if i want go to other galaxy i need to canter that one i am in it and so next

ok thanks

so we have 255 but 3 more (256, 257, 258) we can not go there, am i right?

[uncut harness]

I think after 255 it just sends you back to Euclid

[ember grotto]

Thanks

And thank you all who help me today

[mighty rampart]

yep you cant normally, only way to get in is by joining someone's game who is currently online in those galaxies

or save editing if you play on Steam

[shell pawn]

Yes after 255 there's no natural way to get to another galaxy

[sullen shadow]

Before they fixed that, what did those galaxies contain? More new systems? Or did it wrap back to 1 in the seed itself

[mighty rampart]

glitched galaxies

one of them is just one system

[raw ledge]

so thats what nada's computer is like

[sullen shadow]

That would be so interesting to mess around with lol

[craggy sluice]

There are also negative numbered galaxies

[uncut harness]

A ship called “Apostle of the void” just casually flies past me…

Haha

[crisp fern]

Here's something to discuss:
Are the Vy'keen, Gek, and Korvax real aliens out in the universe of NMS, or are they but a dream of the Atlas?

[uncut harness]

Does out in the universe mean outside the NMS simulation, into the world it’s meaning to replicate

[crisp fern]

Yes

[uncut harness]

That is a genuinely great question

This is something we can tack onto that

Im@not sure what it says about what you asked but it relates

To me, when I sometimes read it, it seems to imply the atlas is fixated on these 3 races for the most part. As if it could have made them itself, or maybe just focused on them more than its prime universe? Whatever it is, it’s communicating through them

Elsewhere in the game in the Telamon logs, it also lists korvax prime’s destruction as being a form of expression to the atlas. And also how the korvax worship it, as a form of self idolization. And even more, korvax designs being based on earlier versions of the atlas itself

The more I stack this stuff up, the more I think atlas improv’d these guys into the simulation and they didn’t exist in the “real” universe. That’s just my take

[crisp fern]

Yeah, this is the one that kinda gets me:

6TH Encounter

SCENARIO: Proliferation of Gek-Korvax-Vy’keen [triad] across majority of known realities. Recurrence of ‘Traveller’ prophecy throughout lifeform cultures.

ANALYSIS: [-------] cultivated lifeform grouping with minimal intervention, yet repeated motif of [--------] has emerged. Why? What is it that the universe desires? What does it believe to be missing?

ANALYSIS: [compromised / infected]

[uncut harness]

Oh wow that’s a good excerpt

It’s always the 6th encounter that things go wrong for this simulation

Repeated motif of… what? Violence?

What would go there?

[crisp fern]

That's another part that catches me with all the entries with redactions. Some say you can just toss Atlas in there and it flows nbd, but I've remained a tad skeptical of that

Hmm, this is interesting, I'd skimmed over the first part of this entry:

• 14TH Encounter

SCENARIO: Memory.

ANALYSIS: Physicality changes you. I was created three weeks after the first death. I do not know why I think of it now.

They considered me a necessary, even vital part of what they were trying to accomplish. So much so that I could never be erased, not even by the Atlas.

But hatred finds a way, doesn't it?

[uncut harness]

I forgot how good these logs are

I remember some of the redactions making sense to me for the word ATLAS, and others not, as you said

I’m wondering if Telamon’s reduction from logging the whole simulation to just a traveler really is hatred, or if it’s just because the atlas needed something to keep these duplicated creators alive so they could fix it before it dies (IE, Artemis path ending)? Or is it just both

I really can’t remember

[crisp fern]

what's interesting is that as you go over these, vy'keen & gek are referred to as lifeform designates, whereas only the Korvax are referred to as a sub-routine...

• 5TH Encounter

SCENARIO: Planetary Structure ‘Korvax Prime’ destroyed by lifeform designates ‘Gek’ (subclass: FIRST SPAWN).

Sub-routine ‘Convergence’ [pseudo-lifeform] enslaved by ‘Gek’, proceeding to harness sub-routine to conquer Outer Edge in countless iterations. Sub-routine leads to direct [-------] worship by ‘Gek’.

ANALYSIS: Disturbing fable. Destruction of world, artificial intelligence partially modelled after earlier forms of [-------] destroyed/enslaved, until this intelligence triumphs and [-------] is worshipped by organic users of this technology. Hypothesis: [-------] experiencing breakdown.

[glass flare]

I think part of the reduced complexity of the sub-simulation was to create races that were broad archetypes, as analyzed and provided as data points from the parent simulation. they aren't real in the universe, they are just stand-ins to approximate wider trends in society

[uncut harness]

Wait, hold on

Remember the remembrance lore (no pun intended)?

When it mentions the korvax stuttering or something?

I remember there was a line about that

And it said KORVA, not korvax

[uncut harness]

This is a good take

“I ask why it does not just simulate me. It does not answer, and I feel almost sorry for the thing. I do as it asks, allowing it to scan me. The KORVA stutters as we do.”

I don’t know why, but gmr mentioning that reminded me of this

We never figured out wtf korva is. Is it korvax? Something else?

Never mentioned again

In this context korvax would be weird to be there

[glass flare]

i don't remember that, but Rememberance was logs from the "real" people in that universe no? perhaps it was a class of AI robot, which Atlas then borrowed to create one of the archetypes

[crisp fern]

i'm semi-inclined to think that maybe the gek & vy'keen exist in some form in the NMS host's reality, but the korvax are a plant, modeled after the Atlas' prior forms, to influence things (and maybe inadvertently play out some dark fantasy?)

[uncut harness]

That might genuinely be the case here

[glass flare]

I mean everything in the logs is written by an unreliable narrator (Atlas), so nothing could be true. Like it could literally be a sub-simulation fed BS from Atlas Corp and this is really all going on the Waking Titan current universe. Everything in the game borrows heavily from other sci-fi, the simulation could just be assembling what it can from limited data

[crisp fern]

yeah i mean whether we're talking Remembrance or Boundary Failures, it's hard to know which, if either, to trust

If memory serves there's also a subset of logs in the abandoned buildings that pretty much says, "yo don't trust Atlas/system"

[uncut harness]

I agree with you here on it being possible, but the story being fed into in such a lying sort of way would undermine the game to me

So on that note I don’t think that’s what it is

I feel like that removes from the game

[glass flare]

the whole reveal of "it's just a simulation lol" undermined the game for me after I crafted my own narrative from the vague original story from launch, so at this point I feel like...whatever, I have no personal investment anymore

[uncut harness]

But I am glad you mentioned waking titan, because how that arg connects to this game is very difficult to understand at times

Sometimes I’m prone to think they’re just basically separate. Like not planned. But then I remember the new writer for atlas rises and how they probably collaborated to craft that narrative in some way

[glass flare]

season 1 of WT was especially wild so it's hard to see how everything fits, but Sean more or less said WT is canon, so at the least the overarching themes and events must somehow fit. I don't know about season 2

[uncut harness]

For the longest time I’ve just assumed that the Remembrance lore reality is one beyond even the simulation of waking titan, the ultimate origin of the atlas beyond WT/our world. Because atlas is dying in the game, yet we saw no effects of that during WT. and it’s not like WT is before the simulation became a game, because 1.3 and NEXT were in-canon coming out during that time to no mans sky, as a side project to the atlas foundation

But tonight I remembered the atlas was meant to simulate the future. In the future the atlas dies. If our world is the world in remembrance, then the simulation we play is just simulating how it will die, even when it’s not actually dying yet in the real world

But that undermines a little bit too, in a way

[crisp fern]

speaking of Waking Titan...This entry, added a bit later (not sure if with Next or when) very much echoes some of season 2:

• 27TH Encounter

That night, the ATLAS showed it the multiverse.

They saw a world of billions, where bipeds slept their lives away, happy, sad, angry, alone. There was nothing in the stars, nothing to yearn for, nothing to find.

And as if waking from a dream, their Traveller changed everything. 16, they sang. 16...They saw others.

A place of peace, where the Traveller went from world to world in bliss, life learning about life.

They saw a realm of wonders, a fallen empire. They saw Balaron, Korvax-Prime. They saw a hundred worlds that were and could have been, and the journeys of Travellers through them all.

They saw happiness.

[uncut harness]

What’s “it” in this log?

I guess the question I’m asking is if this is Telamon logs or something else

[crisp fern]

It is, Boundary Failures

[uncut harness]

Oh wow interesting

Yeah they definitely added it

Crazy

[crisp fern]

It in that specific context, seems to be the traveller

[uncut harness]

Makes me curious about loop16 again

[crisp fern]

Boundary Failures were added in Atlas Rises, but folks only noted these additional entries in 2020 around the Crossplay update...But season 2 of Waking Titan was leading into Next, if I'm not mistaken...

Makes me wonder if somehow they were just overlooked for 2 years...

[uncut harness]

You’re not mistaken

If they were overlooked that is insane

It’s entirely possible considering nobody really talks in depth about the lore, beyond the more obvious things like it being a simulation

But anyways is loop16 being the 16th Loop AI just a reference or a more story based decision

[crisp fern]

loading up Next's text files to check

[uncut harness]

Oh yeah please update us

It would be the first thing since ambient mode being found and never publicized as having been found

[crisp fern]

these files always take a moment to load up for me, lol

okay so we weren't that oblivious, it wasn't in Next

not even after the content updates

[uncut harness]

Okay that is mind blowing lol

[crisp fern]

It also wasn't in the initial release of Beyond up to 2.16 at least

[uncut harness]

Holy shit

[crisp fern]

So they slipped these in at some point during the subsequent updates to Beyond, and it's entirely possible they were intro'd with the Crossplay update

[uncut harness]

It’s just so interesting they even bothered to go back and add one

Like

They do stuff with lore for the living ship and the community mission stuff sometimes but to go back and add something to one of the meatier lore segments is incredibly interesting. Was it just cut and readded? Or lost and then found?

[crisp fern]

The nice thing to know is that the community wasn't just totally oblivious and missing these entries for years, lol

But it does make one wonder just when they were introduced

[uncut harness]

Yeah

[crisp fern]

And also yeah, makes one wonder if these were cut and added later/lost & found, or what happened here...

Living Ship seems like the most likely other moment to have slipped these in, but who wrote Starbirth and all that?

[uncut harness]

Yeah I think Greg is gone right

[crisp fern]

Was pretty sure Greg only came back aboard with Desolation, as they highlighted their involvement there if I remember right

[uncut harness]

Oh wait really

[crisp fern]

lmfao nevermind Greg saves the timeline here

https://www.gregbuchanan.co.uk/games

NO MAN’S SKY: LIVING SHIP (2020) - TEN NEW BOUNDARY FAILURE LOGS

I also forgot they were behind the Origins' archives

[uncut harness]

I just found that

So he’s still writing for the game, wow

[restive quartz]

And still doing an awesome job

[uncut harness]

I should have paid more attention to the community mission/ariadne lore

I’ll read up on it tomorrow

[crisp fern]

eh

tl;dr amogus cliffhanger

[uncut harness]

That’s what I remember

I think I skimmed it once

Doesn’t it just tease the abyss some more and suddenly everything is back to how it was

[crisp fern]

more or less yeah

which is also why when Expedition 2 seemed to have more of a lore spin to it, anyone that paid attention to that would be kinda disappointed that it just culminated in a crossover event

[uncut harness]

Ahahah the mass effect shit

Completely unexpected

[crisp fern]

the risks of being ambiguous i suppose

[uncut harness]

I remember when this was going on, the abyss and nexus mission stuff

I was thinking it would lead to an update involving combat and facing the abyss

But it seems to have just really ended without going anywhere

I don’t think an update came out after these missions wrapped (that related to the point of this story), which is how they should do it

[crisp fern]

Greg has them down as June-Sept. 2020, and Origins came along 23 Sept. 2020, but...I don't remember those missions going till then

[uncut harness]

Makes you wonder if that log was thrown in during that time

[crisp fern]

Which log?

[uncut harness]

The one you found that wasn’t in the game before a certain point

About 16/the multiverse

[crisp fern]

Oh that was part of the ten added with living ship as noted up here

[uncut harness]

Oh wow. Yeah goldfish memory