nms-spoilers

[static lagoon]

Thank you for your help really useful 😊

[icy citrus]

No problem

[crisp fern]

Atlas Path & Artemis Path are together the main story tbh

[ripe remnant]

So after starbirth if I want another living ship do I have to redo the 4 day wait

[mighty rampart]

No, it just takes 10k nannies

[hardy briar]

I would like it explained to me by someone who knows alot about how Planets spawn MTs, are you one of those ppl? Depending on what's relayed i may have additional questions too.

[green burrow]

You could try on the #nms-modding channel this seems like something they would know about

[gusty lava]

I think i can help. I'm not the best hunter out there in the verse, but i'm experienced in the affair.

Hit me up @hardy briar when ever you want

[hardy briar]

Thanks for the reply, so what are the basics on MT spawns & re-spawns? I read how HG used to do things, but i think most of that has either changed or been somewhat inaccurate...?

[gusty lava]

The basics are simple, cabinets hold the class, planets and moons hold the pool. The more orbital objects the larger the pool.

Finding the S class cabinet will grant you the chance to spawn an S class. Reloading does the dice roll from the pool and spawns which ever hits

@hardy briar does that help you?

[hardy briar]

Well, my experience is that a reload outside a OP (outpost) wil give me a 2nd MT to choose, any further reloads and nothing happens, so what are the Pool Basics? @gusty lava I will always get the same two MTs when i try that, i think. Ppl have said there are 4 MTs per Planet/Moon Pool, but i've never seen more than 2/OP, but i have a MT from a Planet OP that i cannot seem to see anywhere on the Planet after returning,... so what's going on?

[sudden pond]

so what exactly do you need to know about?

[thick plume]

i know at the end of the main mission you get to select a new star or galaxy or something to reset things...or something like that

so which star or orb contains lush planets

[sudden pond]

the green one is lush

[thick plume]

Aaah~thanks!

[icy citrus]

When you enter a system you are automatically on that systems multitool pool, when you save and reload on a planet in that system you switch to the planets pool. Multitools are what I called paired - what that means is that when you see a multitool and then switch to another pool - that multitool that switched will always switch to that new draw from the pool. So if you want to see more from a pool, you need to find a different multitool. Where it gets complicated is that planets and systems can have a different amount to draw from, so you can see repeats.

[hardy briar]

So, correct me here, in simple terms, i can reload once at every OP and see only one more MT and that will be it, correct? But if i continue to do so at every OP, on each Planet, i will eventually see new 'pairs' on each Planet, correct? This just on Planets, on SS it get a bit more complicated in that it has an effect where my last Planet reload was, correct? @icy citrus

[icy citrus]

Reloading on a planet switches to that planets pool. If you want to see multiple at the same place, save and reload on another planet and come back

Cabinets dictate class. So say I find an S multitool at the station

Now if I save and reload on each planet and go back I can see multiple tools

[hardy briar]

I setup teleports on three Planets (same solar system) at the front doors of three A-Class OPs, and i tried a lot, with/without reloads, and still i only saw 2 MTs per OP. Do i actually have to fly to each Planet, when i leave my Star Ship it auto-reloads btw...

[icy citrus]

This is where the complication comes in

Some planets will only have 2 multitools in their pool

So they may be parked with multiples if say the other planets have 4

Paired*

[hardy briar]

Well, as my original post mentioned, i know the Planet has another MT, bc i have it from awhile back, i have yet to see it.

[icy citrus]

You need to save and reload on a planet to switch tools - when you teleport it automatically places you back in the system pool

Teleport, portal or warp = system pool

[hardy briar]

I would save & reload then teleport...

[icy citrus]

So right back onto the system pool

Save, reload, fly

[hardy briar]

Each Planet showed me 2 different MTs (same system)...

So, 6 MTs total.

Ok, say i start on Planet 1, S&R, head to P2, what do i do if the MT i want is not there at that time?

[icy citrus]

And if you were teleporting you were seeing one from the system, and one from the planet pool (with a reload)

[hardy briar]

Ohh...

I want to see each MT on a Planet, how do i do that?

[icy citrus]

In this scenario, your save starts on that planet so you would see a tool from your starting planet. To switch to the new planets tool, save and reload

That can be difficult due to pairing - you are going to want to find multiple outposts on the same planet that have different tools. Mark those locations, and then go to another planet, save and reload- then fly to those various locations. If you are lucky the planets will have more than just 2 selections so you will be able to see a few

The pool can be from 2-6, unless that has changed recently

[hardy briar]

When i fly and get out of my ship it saves, so i have to be on P1 and do a manual S&R and fly (not teleport) to P2, repeat for each OP i have co-ords to on P2?

[icy citrus]

As long as you aren't teleporting or reloading you will stay on the same pool

So you can fly around to every planet and still be drawing from the original planets pool

[hardy briar]

each planets pool?

[icy citrus]

Pool of multitools

So I start on P1

Fly to P2

I'm still on P1s pool

So any multitool I find is from P1

Reload that save from hopping out, and I'm now on P2s pool

Now anywhere I fly I see draws from P2

[hardy briar]

So, the last reload sets the pool to the Planet it happened on?

[icy citrus]

Yep!

Reloading at station or anomaly resets to System pool

[hardy briar]

Ok, if i hold on to that as fact #1, how do i see each MT in a Planet's pool, just keep trying OPs until i see the MT repeat?

[icy citrus]

That is the grindy part. Start on P1 and locate multiple different tools. There isn't really a way to guarantee you will see them all without hitting a ton of outposts

We don't know going in how many the system pool or planet pools will have, and no way to check either without massive amounts of searching

When I was testing all this out, I generally stopped on a planet once I saw 3 different ones - then would do the reload on other planets and fly back thing

[hardy briar]

Ok, so what i find is random, but were pretty sure that Fact #1 holds?

[icy citrus]

Oh yes, I tried literally hundreds of outposts

[hardy briar]

And Fact #2 is: One has to Fly there to stay on the last reloaded Planet's pool, correct? (or walk if that was possible, lol.)

[icy citrus]

Yep!

Any other method resets to system pool

Including joining someone there through multiplayer

[hardy briar]

Ok, last question (for now), why do all those ppl's vids etc. make it seem so easy & repeatable when it is 'random'?

[icy citrus]

The actual tool you find is random, reloading on different planets to change that tool you found is easy and repeatable.

So if you find an S cabinet on P1

Go to P2, save and reload and fly back - that will have an S tool from P2s pool

Reload on P1 again, and it goes back to the original you found

[hardy briar]

So they may have to repeat it several times if they're wanting a specific MT from P2's pool on P1?

[icy citrus]

Not at that same location - it will continue to show the same tool from each of the planets pools - that was what I was referring to with "pairing"

[hardy briar]

Ahh!

[icy citrus]

If they want to see another tool from P2 on P1 - they will need to find a totally different tool to switch with

[hardy briar]

Ahh, it feel i understand what you're saying now! Ty!

[icy citrus]

😄

Sorry, I'm not great at explaining these things lol

[hardy briar]

Well, this may help you then, just take the facts i found here, plus the 'pairing' example you just made, an Pin it some where useful! It's really not cheating bc it still involves a complex if not random grind mechanic, one has to see it does not have quick rewards unless lucky!

Most will run off to YT or Reddit, but some of us just want to know how it works until HG changes it.

[icy citrus]

❤️

It's a good idea

[hardy briar]

It's rare knowledge, ty,

[hoary orchid]

Im at the part of the Artemis Path ||where i choose what to do with them|| does my choice lock me out from gaining any rewards?

[icy citrus]

No it doesn't prevent you from receiving anything

[heady wyvern]

Just do what feels moral

[hoary orchid]

Ok. What did you all do? Im going to let them fade away instead of trapping them

[icy citrus]

I also let them go

[hoary orchid]

sad

[icy citrus]

😭

[heady wyvern]

I think I kept them in the sim and allowed them to remain ignorant of their situation

[hoary orchid]

It is a tough choice imo, not really a wrong or right to make except for you personally

[chrome depot]

It felt wrong to trap him in a simulation honestly...

Especially considering that it's a simulation inside a simulation.

Which is, potentially, also inside a simulation.

[fathom nimbus]

i felt it better than deleting him

he has a life, of sorts. he gets to explore, just as we do

which is all he wanted

the game likes to use "them" everywhere. very ahead of the pronoun games that exist today, heh.

at the same time, i feel it gives us the freedom to pick our own genders for characters

[crisp fern]

game is simulations all the way down tbh and Artemis is just an advanced voicemail so the decision is pretty 🤷

[fathom nimbus]

☝️ Obviously chose to reset everything without a thought

XD

[icy citrus]

So is every game

[fathom nimbus]

to be honest, the fact it's a simulation made it no less interesting to me. Probably because i have the knowledge that our actual reality -could- be a simulation. What is reality, really?

[crisp fern]

no i mean canonically NMS is in fact a simulation within a simulation within a simulation scenario

this isn't me being snarky, that's just the literal situation with NMS

[mighty rampart]

well it does come off like that in your message lol

[crisp fern]

Artemis voicemail on the other hand, eh take it as snark if you want, but the game does hit a point where they indicate what we're communicating with is just a recording, even down to looping response

[mighty rampart]

pretty much, that's why I didn't hesitate to delete it

[fathom nimbus]

oh no, i know it is a simulation in a simulation. but ya know, it's like shari in the matrix

sure, she's just a program, doesn't mean she has no right to live

[leaden zinc]

I did so aswell, it was quite a difficult choice

[hoary orchid]

I agree, i thought about what i would want and went with that

[gloomy isle]

Yeah if I lived for something, but was offered eternal life without that one thing I'd definitely not take it

[placid steppe]

I put him in the simulation and then told him about it. Was a very tough choice

[candid lark]

Yeah, I chose to end him, it seemed the right thing to do, and the game said it was the right thing to do.

[crisp fern]

game doesn't really condemn either choice as i recall tho

[lament shuttle]

but it does say that he'd know

and implies that he'd suffer because of it

[fathom nimbus]

didn't seem to suffer to me

[glass flare]

it's not a right or wrong choice, it's a philosophical exercise

either way Artemis is screwed

[crisp fern]

Technically already screwed, if one goes off the reading that original Artemis is long dead anyway

[fathom nimbus]

yep

you either just leave him dead, or back him up to a simulation

of course since it's a simulation within a simulation, he was just another anomaly known as "traveller" to begin with

[summer glacier]

i always thought of Artemis to be female

cause u know

Artemis is a female name

[main bison]

Same

[thorny kestrel]

what do i need to do to get to other galaxies
i have the star seed

[mighty rampart]

star seed is irrelevant for that

[thorny kestrel]

i am currently on the carthogrepher quest

[mighty rampart]

either go to the center of the current galaxy, or finish artemis path and at the end you submit to the atlas

[thorny kestrel]

ohh alright
thats fair

[prime inlet]

space anomaly featured bases sometimes also feature bases in other galaxies

[thorny kestrel]

how many galaxies are there

[prime inlet]

255

[thorny kestrel]

i have visited number 256

is very harsh

and broken

[prime inlet]

can't be reached by regular means, requires either save editing or joining a player already there, afaik

which is why i only mention 255

core warp 255, you end up back in euclid (1)

[thorny kestrel]

i joined another player
the reason i bring up number 256 is how many galaxies are there in total including unreachable

[prime inlet]

i don't see the point

simple curiosity?

[thorny kestrel]

i am very curious and someday hope to reach the unreachable hahaha

even if it's impossible

[prime inlet]

i haven't been there, but supposedely there's 257 galaxies, core warp 255 end up in 1, core warp 256 end up in 2, core warp 257 end up in 3

there aren't any others

[mellow cairn]

Im gonna say its a longshot that we know, but has it been confirmed whether or not atlas path actually makes a new star?

[mighty rampart]

it does not, it sends you to a nearby black hole that then throws you into a system the black hole is designated to

you can visit the system before you even finish the quest, if you end up finding an atlas station chain that has already been visited

[mellow cairn]

Oh huh, so thats why the black hole quest I have is listed as atlas path

even tho I got the coordinates from polo

[mighty rampart]

I didnt test it exactly, all that happened was that the final atlas interface I found was in a system discovered by someone else, and the final system I went to which was supposed to be my creation, was already discovered

[mighty rampart]

ergo you definitely do not spawn a new system

[mellow cairn]

Well, at least the +1 hp is nice

[thorny kestrel]

whats the best galaxy for paradise planets

[mighty rampart]

eissentam

[thorny kestrel]

thank you

[fathom nimbus]

so a "new" star

of course the same could be said for the artemis line, you go to a "new" galaxy

i landed in eissentam, it is new to me, but not new.

[sterile sluice]

quick question- Currently doing the artemis missions, and its asking me to end his suffering or upload him to the simulation. I won't miss out on any rewards depending on what I choose, right?

[icy citrus]

Correct

[sterile sluice]

Thank you!

[candid lark]

Isdoraijung, not eissentam. Eissentam has more than euclid, but isdoraijung has more than eissentam.

[icy citrus]

That is super anecdotal

[empty cedar]

All galaxies of the same type have the same biome distribution

So Eissentam and Isdoraijung theoretically should have the same distribution of lush planets @candid lark

God I hate typing on this thing

[empty cedar]

You'll have the highest chance of locating what you're after in any of these:
https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Lush_galaxy

[round dagger]

spoil me

[heady wyvern]

Artemis was dead from the start

[nocturne parrot]

We, the players, live in a simulation

[candid lark]

@empty cedar So where do the subtypes come into it? Like Eissentam is a "tranquil" and Isdoraijung is "Halcyon"

I just also noticed that Isdoraijung does also seem more lush than Eissentam as well, and I'm not the only one to notice

[empty cedar]

Isdoraijung is also Lush

[candid lark]

I was wondering if the subtypes came into it somehow.

[empty cedar]

Those are synonyms, not subtypes.

[candid lark]

Like Isdoraijung has on average at least one world in every single system thats not only a lush type but has non-stormy weather. Theres earth likes every 5 or so systems that you look at

[icy citrus]

That is not accurate

I live in Isdoraijung

For over a year now

Have visited literally hundreds of systems

This is the problem with procgen in a way - your experience may not line up with mine

[candid lark]

Yeah most likely. Maybe I'm just in a particularly lush corner

I've got about 20 systems all within 60LY of each other, and pretty much every single system has one lush world with non-stormy weather

[icy citrus]

I lived in Eissentam from about AR to Beyond - to me they feel extremely similar as far as the rate I see lush planets - but there are so many systems in a galaxy that our own experiences can't really provide an accurate sense of any differences

[empty cedar]

NMS RNG tends to give false positives, so trying to determinine patterns just from observation has drawbacks.

[candid lark]

But I find it curious that the wiki denotes the subtypes

[icy citrus]

We are talking less than .00001 percent explored

[candid lark]

theres 4 subtypes of Lush galaxy according to the wiki

[empty cedar]

It doesn't describe them as subtypes, though

[jovial violet]

They are more like how any frozen world could be called anything from an "icy" to "sub-zero" planet. They're more like descriptors to spice up the naming of stuff in-game than any actual subtype

[icy citrus]

Right - those are in game names for the same type

[empty cedar]

Exactly

[icy citrus]

Lush - This type is referred to in-game as Halcyon, Inspiring, Serene or Tranquil galaxy

Same type, synonyms

[candid lark]

"Lush galaxy is a galaxy type and it is referred to in-game as Halcyon, Inspiring, Serene or Tranquil galaxy. These are considered as subtypes for Lush galaxy. "

https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Lush_galaxy

[jovial violet]

I wouldn't take the wiki's phrasing for anything as gospel

[empty cedar]

Ah, so you're right about the wiki. But the wiki gets some things very wrong.

They shouldn't have used that word.

[icy citrus]

Also - look at the table right below

Doesn't list those - just Lush

[empty cedar]

Notice how nothing else on that page actually supports the idea of there being galaxy subtypes. Some editor made a mistake.

[candid lark]

I'm imagining they found the subtypes listed in game files somewhere?

[empty cedar]

Highly unlikely. The folks here have datamined that stuff.

[jovial violet]

Probably, yes, in the language files. The biome probabilities was probably extracted from a generation table

[empty cedar]

And I've seen other big mistakes in the wiki.

[icy citrus]

If they hadn't kept rejecting my edits it would be better by now

[empty cedar]

Heh

[crisp fern]

let's make our own wiki, with fascination beads and grahgrah

[empty cedar]

The page cites NMS_UPDATE3_ENGLISH.MBIN. Are you thinking the word might actually be used there for something galaxy related?

[crisp fern]

i'd imagine that may relate to the choice during the Artemis path & adjectives used for galaxy, as they don't refer to them by name as I recall

[empty cedar]

Right, the synonyms

[fathom nimbus]

i love the lush planets with horribly named weather

which turns out to be...

bubbles.

[glass flare]

I would say this is less about procgen in general and more about the distribution of NMS's procgen algorithms

[hearty portal]

So I just did the “end of the universe” part of the game, and loaded into a new galaxy with a 5 star sentinel rating. Is that normal?

Like I loaded in with all of my things broken and was being chased by walkers and by all the other types. Every time I’d lose em another walker would plummet down from the sky within my vicinity, preventing me from fixing any of my things.

Luckily I found a structure and hid out there long enough to call one of my working ships. Was just curious if this was normal.

[empty cedar]

Just a guess but I think spawning on a Very Angry Sentinels planet is probably somewhat rare (even in Survival/PD).

on second thought, it's probably just completely random

[crisp fern]

@hearty portal did you happen to choose the red option? I think that's the raging/aggressive/extreme galaxy type if so

[hearty portal]

Nope chose the green one.

[crisp fern]

huh, yeah, then sounds like just bad luck tbh

[tepid iris]

No Man's Sky expedition 3 when 😄

[fathom nimbus]

soon™️

[severe sun]

when the emoji tweets start

[hollow yacht]

OH NO, THEYRE COMING!

[neon cipher]

i hope it comeing soon, i love the xpeditions

[last anchor]

Sean has been quite active on Twitter as of late

[fathom nimbus]

did ya see the "everyone is sean" mod?

He hates it

i think he secretly loves it.

[icy citrus]

We saw various steps as it was made actually

#nms-modding

[buoyant agate]

I’m not gonna read anything else in this chat, but why is the anomaly race mostly alone?

Is there a reason there is so few

[ocean wyvern]

Humans afaik

Players

[gloomy isle]

I recall them being people stuck in the simulation from outside, so kinda like they've made the player canon

[gloomy isle]

I think the only anomalies are supposed to be irl humans because of this ^

[icy citrus]

Dreamers

[gloomy isle]

Yeah that's it

[buoyant agate]

Thanks and nice to meet you

[gloomy isle]

No worries

[ionic bobcat]

It's a shame the entire universe is just a Simulation under the atlas's eyes. Well. Orb. But still. I'm impressed on how it can Make beautiful and dreadful planets and systems.

[gloomy isle]

Well, an experience is an experience no matter how it's been created

If it's the character's only frame of reference for reality then it's basically real in the context of the story

Simulation theory is surprisingly close to there being a deity

All that's different is that in this version you understand how the creator made everything

[buoyant agate]

I’ve always personally just headcannoned it isn’t a simulation

[crisp fern]

the thing folks constantly miss, thanks to it not being in the game clearly, is that the NMS reality as a whole, including whatever is simulating NMS, is to the best of anyone's knowledge a simulation

There is no clear indication that there is some base reality to make the simulations pale in comparison to, so for all intents & purposes the Matryoshka simulation cascade is reality

[main bison]

I’m sure he probably got a good laugh when he found out about it.

[fathom nimbus]

probably

[crisp fern]

and then regret that he let anyone photograph him to begin with

[tulip dirge]

What happens when I get every atlas seed

[candid lark]

its kind of a spoiler, but theres a final seed that requires 50 milestones to get, and then theres final station to visit and you get to make a choice about the existaence of the Atlas itself.

it has no impact on your overall progress

[tulip dirge]

I already got some of them and finished the story so don't worry about spoilers

So it's not the choice that lets me choose a galaxy like eissentam?

I finished the story long ago but I wanna go to eissentam idk how to

[candid lark]

no, its a choice about whether the Atlas should carry on as an entity, and will you choose to birth a new star. You dont see the consequences of it either. Its a bit of a let down and kind of "is that it???"

[tulip dirge]

Also I found a space station with a room with a device that needed the heart of the sun?

[candid lark]

well the atlas quest will award you the Heart of the sun, so theres that

[tulip dirge]

And what does it do?

[candid lark]

the last milestone station awards the heart, then theres the final point. Oh, and take survival goods.....LOTS of them. It will send you to a portal where when you walk through it, you are cast into space for about 15 seconds

[tulip dirge]

That sounds cool

[candid lark]

yeah, your oxygen metre goes down rapidly

[tulip dirge]

Too bad I have hundreds of life support gel

Thanks for the info I might collect all the seeds someday

[candid lark]

To get to eissentam if you chose to stay when doing the main story originally - call the anomaly and look on the teleporter

theres normally bases listed there in Eissentam

[tulip dirge]

Oh ok thanks

Didn't know it was THAT easy

[candid lark]

yeah. I actually did the main story on a new save entirely in Eissentam

[tulip dirge]

[candid lark]

then chose lush and went to Isdoraijung

which is the next lush galaxy after that

[crisp fern]

sounds like the Artemis Path as well tbh

[nimble idol]

Hey. Can anyone tell me what happen after I reach the centre of the galaxy ?

I've seen a lot of video, but I can't understand if I have to start from the beginning or I have all my stuff.

[crisp fern]

you retain your stuff, bunch of it gets damaged & has to be repaired tho

[heady wyvern]

You even retain your bases.

[crisp fern]

they should give you the choice to erase them

in case you want a fresh start in another galaxy

[nimble idol]

O ok, thanks

[brazen sable]

Is the Atlas good or bad?

[cinder scaffold]

Y'know that's a good question.

[mental socket]

Atlas is neither one

it's just Atlas

[uncut harness]

@heady wyvern so say I teleport back to a Euclid base after I've already reached the next galaxy but I haven't set up a base there yet. Do I now have to reach the center again?

[heady wyvern]

@uncut harness Yes. Which is why you should probably place a base at every galaxy you reach

[uncut harness]

Thanks for the heads-up

[pale echo]

The atlas is like a true neutral imo

[crisp fern]

everyone be asking is atlas good or bad but nobody be asking how is atlas, smh

[heady wyvern]

Atlas is your existence, neither good nor bad. It's about as evil as a storm system; no malice, just routine.

[gusty berry]

the real atlas are the friends we made along the way

[hybrid kindle]

hmm, what does this refer to? could be travellers, but I'm not sure...

[fathom nimbus]

gek

[sudden pond]

thats the gek who wrote that tho, why would they redact themselves ^^;

[fathom nimbus]

well.. i dunno then

we do keep getting hints of a fourth race

[sudden pond]

it probably is the Travelers

4th race = travelers

[mental socket]

ye

4th race was teased way back with Waking Titan arg before Atlas Rises

and then it came

[keen island]

guys help do i seek the final interface, complete the atlas path or explore the galaxy?

nvm too late

[pale echo]

On my second save i got to the artemis part ||about entering him into a computer|| and still felt like a horrible person for both choices.

[snow bronze]

Is it just me, or does following the Purge questline skip you from Galaxy #1 EUCLID to Galaxy #10 EISSENTAM?

[cyan mauve]

it skips you to the next galaxy of the selected type. if you pick lush in uclid, thats eissentam.

[cinder scaffold]

I mean... It can if you picked green.

[cyan mauve]

if you pick red in euclid ... calypso // 3

[jovial stag]

Galaxy Choices

At the end of the Artemis quest line the 4 orbs give you the option of going to one of the following galaxies

Calypso [3] (Raging) [Red]
Eissentam [10] (Lush) [Green]
Budullangr [7] (Ancestral) [Blue]
Hilbert Dimension [2] (Normal) [Teal]

or you could stay in Euclid.

[snow bronze]

Oh! Okay. How do I get to a new Galaxy now that the quest is finished?

[jovial stag]

the Core

[snow bronze]

Gotcha. Thanks!

[jovial stag]

or a lift

[uncut harness]

i feel like i wanna save artemis but at the same time hes already dead and i only have a copy of his consciousness

what should i do?

[icy citrus]

What you feel is right

[uncut harness]

i uploaded him

its still him no matter what

even if his body inst there

[stuck mango]

i killed artemis lol

[gusty berry]

does artemis dream of electric blobs

[stuck mango]

you tell me

[jolly thicket]

I don't think Artemis dreams of anything - for - reasons - which the quest reveals

[deep parrot]

Expedition 3?

[snow bronze]

My next jump "takes" me to the galactic core, but I can't actually select it. What do I do to leave the galaxy?

[fathom nimbus]

pause.

It's not actually asking you to go to the galactic core

"path to the galactic core"

path, not actually go to it, just go that way

basically, hop star to star, don't actually go to the center

the wording is misleading

you have to make 16 hyperdrive jumps, "toward" the center, but not actually to it

[snow bronze]

I don't understand. I'm at the end of the "path" and it won't let me go any further.

[snow bronze]

I've finished the appropriate quest. I just don't understand how to do it without the storyline.

[crisp fern]

Hyperdrive fully charged, and not using free explore to try to warp to the center?

[snow bronze]

It wouldn't let me select the center in the galaxy map. Maybe I just wasn't doing something right.

[crisp fern]

You have to use the warp line selection for the center as destination, where a yellow direction indicator appears around your current star system pointing whichever direction you're pointing, you point that towards your destination until it fills and it should shift over & select the destination, giving you the option to warp

It's a little weird if you've been using free explore up to this point, which may be throwing you off

[snow bronze]

No, I've been following the orange line.

[crisp fern]

Hmm, you have indium hyperdrive upgrade installed as well I take it?

[snow bronze]

Yep

[crisp fern]

If hyperdrive is fully charged, upgrade installed, & using path selection still isn't working, you may have to try another nearby system

Sometimes it just seems to refuse to work with some systems, even if it led you to them

[snow bronze]

Maybe it's because my HD can't reach the center? It says it's still 3068 LY away and my range is only 2388...

[crisp fern]

That may be it, albeit I don't recall it affecting things for others offhand, especially if you're as close as you can get with no other systems between

[snow bronze]

I am. I'll try warping to a nearby system.

[crisp fern]

Just what I was gonna recommend 👍

[snow bronze]

Now it's telling me to go back to the system that I was just in. It's no longer pointing at the galactic core.

[crisp fern]

You should nevertheless be able to select it regardless of guidance, I believe...I take it you've already tried to select the core again?

You'll select the system you're in, then attempt to select the core from there by pointing the yellow direction indicator towards it until it begins filling and moves your focus & selection over to the center/core

[snow bronze]

Got it. Had to use my right stick to look form the line of the path for like 3 minutes. Lmao

[crisp fern]

Awesome! It can be very finicky

[snow bronze]

Thank you for your assistance. I just wasn't being patient enough...

[crisp fern]

No worries, it throws a lot of folks off

[jolly thicket]

just trying to use the map in general can be a pain, anyway

like, you're pointing right at the star you want to go to - nope, it selects something not even remotely close

[crisp fern]

Yeah, which is why I typically just use free explore

It's much easier and more intuitive to me

[jolly thicket]

that IS using that option

[crisp fern]

oh

I haven't had that issue as much. Now using the warp line select...That throws me off

[snow bronze]

I didn't even know that was a thing until I had to select the galactic core! Lol

[fathom nimbus]

you're not supposed to go TO the core for the mission

just warp 16 times..

again, bad wording.

[snow bronze]

I've already done the mission. I just wanted to hop galaxies to see what it was like.

[fathom nimbus]

oh

[jovial stag]

just an FYI you can do the jump in a non upgraded ship, so one with a jump range of 100 Ly will work just fine.

[fathom nimbus]

the final hop requires full jumpdrive fuel, and you have to set your line to "galactic core", and with free-look OFF you move your mouse around and you'll get a circle around the star you're already at, like a loading cursor. You spin it until it hits the line pointing to the center, then hold your left mouse. near the line you will see an actual loading circle, then ZOOM

off you go, with cool music

[mental socket]

I've been wondering

did they replace the ending scene with a pre-rendered cutscene thing since you don't have camera control in it anymore

and the framerate seems to be locked there too

[snow bronze]

I really wish I would have known that before hand. Now my fancy ship is utterly broken. And spawning on a harsh toxic planet with all broken tech was a bit stressful on my Permadeath save! Lol

[jovial stag]

well the thing about a C class ship and 100 Lys is mentioned in the pinned post 😉
#nms-questions message

[snow bronze]

I really gotta start reading those...

[last anchor]

Not gonna lie the next expedition has to start when community milestone reached 3

[fathom nimbus]

didn't it already reach 3 and go to the next?

[uncut harness]

it just reset from level 3 and didnt start a new expedition

[mighty rampart]

yeah and I think this exped might not have community research involved

there's still more stuff they have planned for community milestone rewards

like the cave flora base deco

the cool pipes

and three space anomaly inspired base deco

[uncut harness]

There was this orb that QS vendor has, right?

[mighty rampart]

yeah and I think that will also be one of the base deco you can get

the whole podium not just the orb

[copper ore]

resets galaxy yet still able to go to the galaxy that was apparently "destroyed"

[mental socket]

story is from a time before we could easily do that

before you had to manually go through all 255 galaxies to loop back to euclid

[cinder scaffold]

Wow, really? That... sounds kind of amazing though XD

[mental socket]

Yup

Not to mention if you wanted to be a part of any galactic hub. You would have to manually travel there since your ship didn't come through the portal and you couldn't build

Or better yet in pathfinder era when portals didn't even work

[tacit sigil]

Maybe this has been asked a lot, but which storyline or quest naturally takes you to the center of the galaxy? I’m realizing none of the quests so far (Artemis, Atlas Path, The Purge) are doing this

[heady wyvern]

@tacit sigil The Purge (Part of the Artemis quest) will take you to a different galaxy; no quest takes you to the core, you must go there on your own initiative.

[tacit sigil]

ok, thanks, I didn't realize that no quest takes you there. Good to know!

[fathom nimbus]

"the purge" you're just supposed to warp 16 times, it takes you "toward" the center but some people take it literally

[uncut harness]

do i upload artemis or let them die

or does it not matter

[polar fox]

I left him in the simulation.

[wicked blaze]

@uncut harness It matters, but only to you

[uncut harness]

does it change anything

[polar fox]

It felt better..... to me.

Not really.

I feel as if letting him die is just evil, but that's me.

[uncut harness]

what is the artemis quest even for

[wicked blaze]

I chose to not let him suffer for eternity once he realizes his true nature

and killed him

[polar fox]

It's a quest in a video game. "What is it for" doesn't really have an answer.

[uncut harness]

is there a reward

at all

ima let artemis die

[wicked blaze]

Satisfaction

aight

[fathom nimbus]

the quest is a moral quest

that's it

doesnt' change the game

It's like how me blowing up every ship that comes near me really does nothing.

"standing decreased"

sure.. and i can just go buy an item to fix that.

Meanwhile, i got stuff from blowing up that ship that was about to land.

or that freighter i just saved from a pirate... so i could plunder it's booty.

[icy citrus]

@fathom nimbus #memes🤡

[fathom nimbus]

XD

aw c'mon, it was relevant

[tepid iris]

seeeaaaaaaaaan 😛

[uncut harness]

I'm currently in the misson "new beginning" which galaxy color i should choose

[rancid ether]

@uncut harness
Red is harsh (Calypso)
Green is lush (Eissentam)
Blue is ancient (Budallangr)
White is normal (Hilbert)
I might have mismatched blue and white

Ar the moment, you can teleport directly to Eissentam through a featured base (Vapourwave one), so Id probably choose one of the other 3

[uncut harness]

Ty I think ill go with the white galaxy

[rancid ether]

Make sure it says the correct description for white. I tend to confuse those for some reason

It will be say something like "imperfect"

[uncut harness]

Its says the same on all,//the creation// and under it atlas interface

[rancid ether]

Interact with white. It will describe it

[uncut harness]

There is a short description,no galaxy name tho

[rancid ether]

It wont say the galaxy name. Just a description

[uncut harness]

On blue its start with "an exhausted galaxy"and it marked with blue

[rancid ether]

You are in Euclid currently, yes?

[uncut harness]

Yes

[rancid ether]

Ok, what does it say for white

[uncut harness]

A rebuilt galaxy

[rancid ether]

Yeah, white is normal then. I confuse them everytime for some reason

[uncut harness]

Aight ty again(:

[rancid ether]

Yep, enjoy the cool music

[ebon beacon]

Hi guys - another quick question - is it possible to use a Portal to get to a green system - I need Emeril. If it is and you know of an adress that would be really great.

Sorry for the spelling of address

[rancid ether]

Check this post in #explorers-archive.
Its in a green system.
#explorers-archive message

[wispy nymph]

I believe I found a faster way to grind for S class freighters, I didnt see anything done the why I did so wanted to ask if anyones tried anything different before?

[empty cedar]

I'd be interested to hear your idea, @wispy nymph

[wispy nymph]

has anyone done an autosave in the system the freighter is in?

[empty cedar]

Yes, that's standard

[wispy nymph]

every thing Ive seen shows them doing an manual save

then warping

[empty cedar]

Are you familiar with the guide we have pinned?

[wispy nymph]

I have not seen it no

[empty cedar]

<#nms-questions message> @wispy nymph

Both types of saves are recommended for best results

Manual for choosing the model/color, auto for rerolling class and slots

[wispy nymph]

there is something ive done that isnt in there

but im sure its just not something worth adding to a guide I guess. But you can use a scanner to see the rank without wasting the time to walk up to and talk to the captain.

[empty cedar]

In the hangar?

[wispy nymph]

mhm

[empty cedar]

Yeah that's a good tip (it's mentioned in there, though)

[wispy nymph]

:/ dam my quick reading

[empty cedar]

Heh no worries, it's a wall of text

[wispy nymph]

lol yea, I just found it. Thanks for answering my questions tho

[empty cedar]

Np

[rancid ether]

While on the topic, what was that rumor you were talking about with exotics and freighter rescues @empty cedar

[empty cedar]

Something I stumbled across in the Asst for NMS app. Was unable to confirm it, and had trouble following up on the original source, so figured I'd just start trying to reproduce it.
<#nms-questions message>

@rancid ether
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/471868642204712971/859940451419029504/NMS-Exotic-Freighter-Rescue-Asst-for-NMS.jpg

I've only tested it once so far (it worked) but I hope to limit all future rescues to battles with 5 pirates from this point forward and look for exceptions.

[glass flare]

speaking of apps, I'm surprised we never got a NMS companion mobile app. I can think of a lot of helpful "second screen" info, like checking out visor analysis data, current star system info, trade prices in the current system, etc. they hinted at an app during Waking Titan season 2, but one never materialized

[empty cedar]

I could be totally wrong, but I think what we currently lack is an API, which would probably be a necessary first step towards creating such a thing.

[glass flare]

i mean an official app from HG, but I suppose an API would be necessary for either :)

[empty cedar]

Yes, either way, sorry for not clarifying that

Even a very crude API could potentially open up all sorts of interesting possibilities

[crisp fern]

frigate expedition idle game spinoff

stop loading up the game to manage your frigates, load up the handy app!

[uncut harness]

Lol, but it makes me think

How could NMS benefit from a 2nd screen experience like some other games provide

[cinder scaffold]

Honestly a mobile app to check on frigate timers.. I'd use it.

[stuck rose]

Could you not just memorise them?

[magic gust]

The NMS assistant app lets you set timers manually

[cinder scaffold]

Issue is, I forget when I'm online to do that cause I'm so distracted by literally everything else XD

[magic gust]

Ha, SAME

[jolly thicket]

One thing I wish they'd add, is transmissions from your frigates when you get in your ship, when they've completed a mission.

[uncut harness]

Wouldn't that lead to spamming the player with messages?

I dunno how many missions you can have at once

Imagine all ending at the same time and sending the message to the player

[crisp fern]

Given current issues with the notification system, that might happen regardless of staggered completions

[fathom nimbus]

So , when is the anniversary of the game ,exactly?

we ain't heard a thing since the june 3rd update, even when they broke the anomaly

it was just quietly fixed in the background

[wild iris]

mid July is the rumour going around right now as to when we'll get the next expedition/ update. Apparently there is another twitch drops event mid july and last time there was a twitch drops it tied in with an update (expeditions)

[jovial violet]

9th (PS4)/12th (PC) August. I think only Atlas Rises came out in this kind of window, actually

[uncut harness]

also I think the next major update might be around then

[fathom nimbus]

aha

well, fingers crossed, then!

[uncut harness]

yep!

[wild iris]

NEXT was in July if I remember correctly & Origins was in September..... Hello Games are quite unpredictable when it comes to the bigger anniversary updates

[uncut harness]

yeah true

[wild iris]

although with this being the big 5 year anniversary you'd think they would wanna have it release actually in August

[uncut harness]

yep

i kinda wonder what it is

[glass flare]

considering that Prisms was pretty big, I would be surprised if anything anniversary-sized came soon

[nocturne zephyr]

idk, it kinda felt to me like the update could've been achieved by a few dedicated employees, sorta like how Desolation was done

all the graphical improvements were mainly technical, and the creature fur didn't require any new art

although the changes to the space station and UI as well as new bytebeat stuff brings more employees into account

BUT if there is an anniversary update, which I assume there is, I hope it's pushed further into the year, maybe even past summer so everything is fleshed out and polished

[stuck hinge]

Nah, I want that broken shit, now 😋

[gloomy isle]

I honestly think it'll be August

[fathom nimbus]

looked it up, august 9th is a good bet, that's the anniversary

[nocturne zephyr]

only reason it was August was because it was delayed though

this could also get delayed

[crisp fern]

mid-July expedition to celebrate the delay

[nocturne zephyr]

yay

[glass flare]

anniversary expedition that ends in everyone getting an exotic ship shaped like Sean's head

[crisp fern]

Joe danger head

[icy citrus]

Umm

This is spoilers 😛 if it isn't a spoiler you all know we have other channels for chat

[limpid maple]

at the end of New Beginnings, when you choose a new galaxy to spawn in, do you start off again with the same ship you had?

[icy citrus]

You will start with whatever ship you had active. Tech not protected by tech slots will be damaged , in your active multitool and ship as well as in your suit.

[heady wyvern]

Your freighter, fleet, and bases in Euclid will also be preserved... but I'm sure you figured some of that out already.

[ancient latch]

um

uh

so

whats the deal with 16

[fathom nimbus]

16 16 16 16 16 16 16

[ancient latch]

yeah

[fathom nimbus]

16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16

[ancient latch]

but why 16

[fathom nimbus]

16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16

Say it to a korvax

[ancient latch]

why not 8 or 9

[fathom nimbus]

if you keep doing the story, you find out :3

[ancient latch]

is artemis a korvax? 🤔

[fathom nimbus]

no, artemis is "traveller"

korvax are the robot heads who look like fans of daft punk

[ancient latch]

i know

[fathom nimbus]

artemis is just another space traveller, though unlike us he's given an actual name.. we are just "anomaly"

the "traveller race" is not a race, it's just rando aliens

[fiery shoal]

o_O

[mental socket]

but NPC travelers themselves aren't anomalies if I recall correctly. Just us, the players are anomalies

[fathom nimbus]

no, npc's are "traveller"

the "race" you can pick in the appearance machine

of course they're also all dead. so.

[teal sundial]

"You will find us when the time is right" Up until now i'm still guessing who they are. Can someone tell me, who they are?

[uneven shale]

you will find out when the time is right

[compact coyote]

FIND US. HEAR US.

16/16/16

[daring bronze]

Kzzzzzzkt

[latent hill]

@cyan mauve i allowed artemis to die, because i personally would hate to live on eternally being alone

[cyan mauve]

i tend to pick "upload" and then "explain to them what i did", because i dont think it is my place to make that decision for them. as in, they were clearly in a terrible place and mind-arcing them was not any additional hurt, but whether to erase them entirely, thats their own choice.

@latent hill and if you think a virtual existence is no existence ... well ... continue through the storyline, and read some of that dialog. 😉

[latent hill]

if they were uploaded would they really have had the ability to end their own life?

[cyan mauve]

thats a real "dixie flatline" question right there. 😄

[latent hill]

its almost 2 in the morning and i wanna continue the story because ending it here seems unsettling

[cyan mauve]

(if you have a recorded mind ... what if you keep copies? what if you dont tell the copies they are just recordings? what if you keep reusing the copies without telling them?)

[cyan mauve]

you are about 1/3 in, and there is some real more brain twisters ahead, so just get some sleep.

@latent hill once you get to the part where you understand why "is a virtual existence an existence" is a tricky question, please ping me again, because i want to mess with your brain some more. 😄

[latent hill]

I totally will

[glass flare]

and that is a bit of the narrative downfall of the Artemis storyline, because the narrative doesn't provide enough of who she is as a person for us to know what she would want. so it comes down to a question of personal preference, emotional attachment, or philosophical argument

[latent hill]

Imma get some sleep😂

[cyan mauve]

from my pov, the "let them make their own decision" plays out well. they are shocked by what i did, and then make their own decision.

[glass flare]

i think that's what i chose too, but it's been quite a while

[blissful phoenix]

i'd say the opposite: if we knew what she would want, we'd just do it. instead we're forced to choose for her. that's why it hurts.

[fathom nimbus]

Their designation is traveller. They thirst to explore all the stars set before them. To them. They are still able to do that. You may say "oh but it's not real", all experience is just data our brains interpret. Artemis is just interpretating simulated data

Artemis is simulated as well. What is reality but data?

[crisp fern]

Unless dialog changed, last I recall the decision was to put Artemis in a simulation of a single star system. No indications of ability to travel beyond it.

[spice cove]

so i finished the main story and the atlas path, and i have a star seed and a remembrance

what are they for?

[glass flare]

I think we're mostly saying the same thing, but my criticism of that storyline is just that the writer didn't develop Artemis as a fully-formed character. She was a plot device who we became attached to not because we knew her well, but really because she was one of the only NPCs who actually felt alive and had some agency in the game

[glass flare]

Unless they changed that, you're right. The simulation was unable itself to simulate more than just a single star system (which is a nice tie-in to Waking Titan S1), so she is stuck there. Hopefully she didn't get a boring system.

[fiery shoal]

theres a guy

in the story

named artemis

oof

[covert swift]

OOF

[fiery shoal]

OOF

[uncut harness]

//16// seconds of some funky a** music!

[blissful phoenix]

reality is where data comes from.

allegedly

[ebon beacon]

Hi guys - I am on Patterns in Time and have been told to talk to a Vy'Keen cartographer. He mentions lay lines - but I have no idea what is supposed to happen - thank you for any help.

[prime inlet]

you need to find a monolith, and commune with hirk

[ebon beacon]

@prime inletIs that for me?

[prime inlet]

or maybe it was a ruin instead of a monolith

yes, @ebon beacon

need to get an item called vykeen tablet from a monolith or ruin, probably a ruin

[ebon beacon]

Thank you - so any of the monoliths - so I buy a map from the cartographer - get something from that?

[prime inlet]

yeah, but i don't think it's a monolith, for some reason i got the idea that it's a ruin

and yeah, i think any ruin will do

so I buy a map from the cartographer
if he lets you

[ebon beacon]

Ok - doesn't really matter I will buy a specific map and go have a look.

[prime inlet]

yeah, it's the alien one, that discovers both actually

[ebon beacon]

Cool - thank you so much - for some reason I though t the cartographer was going to be more specific - off I go.

[leaden grail]

Does anyone know why they chose 16 as the magic number?

[heady wyvern]

The Atlas has, from its perspective, 16 minutes of operational time before it goes kaput.

[leaden grail]

No I mean like why did the devs choose 16

[heady wyvern]

Probably arbitrarily, like Hitchhiker's Guide and 42.

[leaden grail]

42 isn’t arbitrary, Douglas adams chose it because it related to a coding language at the time

I don’t remember the details very well though

[heady wyvern]

Huh. Thought it was because it was the least significant number he could think of.

Either way, maybe there's not much thought behind "why 16."

[leaden grail]

Wait wtf I must have misremembered

I could have sworn it was a coding joke

He did “just choose it”

Man.

[glass flare]

16 has a lot of math and computer science significance too, and Sean is a big maths nerd

[mighty rampart]

not just sean but the whole founder team

proc gen is based on a formula they came up with, use of hexadecimals in the lore, bytebeat, math-based puzzles in buildings, max units is the largest 32-bit signed binary integer (which is actually double the real max, since the game uses negative numbers as positive)

oh there's also an easter egg where if you use your scanner in the space anomaly it shows unix date as an easter egg

[earnest aspen]

so once you've done the artemis quest and reset the simulation by going to a new galaxy, can you repeat the quest and do another reset/galaxy hop?

[leaden grail]

I imagine you can do it infinitely if you had the time

There are 200 galaxies from what I remember

Also how do I find the heart of the sun needed to craft remembrance

[icy citrus]

No, you can't repeat the quest

256 galaxies

[icy citrus]

Atlas path

[leaden grail]

Oh yeah I think I finished that I got the novae thing right?

[icy citrus]

The Heart of the Sun is the last thing you get from it - if you finished you should have every recipe you need

[leaden grail]

Hmm

Welp

Back to warping

[wind panther]

I just found some stuff about Season 3 in the files. Crucial parts are missing, but I'm trying to get what I can out of it. 5 stages again (maybe always), start with an exotic, no encrypted missions

Stage 1: base building, get mech, collect storm crystals, dig something up, find NPC shops, leave planet
Stage 2: explore caves, deal with "GAS_BASTARDS", dig up fossils, get pets, scan underground creatures, scan minerals, use portal
Stage 3: fix warp, party planet, visit archive, get treasure, go to a red planet, 2 missions are blank
Stage 4: Party planet, disc planet, underwater building, underwater freighter, extreme survival, have dug up a lot of resources, have cash
Stage 5: Party planet, something about ship rank, 4 missions are blank

[mighty rampart]

gas bastards just sounds like cave hazard plants

[wind panther]

Yeah, I just loved the name of the mission and had to include it :)

[mighty rampart]

anyway this seems like a pretty typical season then

maybe the blank ones are a little suspicious

[wind panther]

I find odd that there are party planets after you are supposed to use a portal. I guess they expect you to teleport back.

[teal sundial]

I just found an anomaly called Dyson lens, got hundreds of nanites from destroying it and instantly spawn sentinel battleship

[wind panther]

Those look cool. I didn't know you got that many nanites for destroying them

[teal sundial]

yea around 300-500 i didnt recall sorry

[crisp fern]

probably why they're having you build throwaway bases i guess

[fathom nimbus]

What's this, expedition 3?

[mighty rampart]

where is 'this'?

[heady wyvern]

People are waiting on the third Community Expedition, and Gumsk - like the mad lad he is - mined some data about it.

[uncut harness]

deal with Gas Bastards

I don't like being called out like this because of my medical condition

In all seriousness, maybe the gasseous consciousness? The random space anomaly one?

[uncut harness]

IIRC the 42 was ASCII for * which can be used in searching text to represent anything of any number of characters

[leaden grail]

THAT WAS IT!!!

[proven wedge]

Yeah I saw that, that was cool.

[stuck hinge]

party planet?

[wind panther]

Party planet is the internal reference for when they force everyone to go to one location on a specific planet.

[stuck hinge]

ty

[latent hill]

Wow everything is a simulation

i finally understand what you mean

[cyan mauve]

@latent hill the Telamon lore at the boundary failures is pretty good too. 😄

[latent hill]

im at the point where you chose between the orbs

[cyan mauve]

@latent hill and ... do you know what mass/gravity does to time?

[latent hill]

it distorts time

[cyan mauve]

@latent hill lets assume some arbitrary simulation system. how would that behave in places with a lot more objects (== atoms) to render/simulate? 😉

[latent hill]

i have no clue

i got a C in classical mechanics

😆

[cyan mauve]

more objects to render ==> slower rendering speed ==> distorted/slowed time

[latent hill]

ooooo

[swift topaz]

yo

[heady wyvern]

@swift topaz But yeah, I can't make that choice for you

[latent hill]

@swift topaz neither choice is really correct nor incorrect

[swift topaz]

whats profitable for me

[heady wyvern]

It's the culmination of a deep moral quandary. Profit shouldn't be a concern.

[latent hill]

LOL

[swift topaz]

whats did he really do i ddiint really read the story

[latent hill]

its a moral question

[swift topaz]

lmao

[latent hill]

so basically artemis is a traveller

that you encounter

[swift topaz]

allright

yee

[latent hill]

very lonely person, only you keep them company

[swift topaz]

aw

[latent hill]

we dont really know much outside of that

[swift topaz]

poor artemis

[latent hill]

let her live on forever in the simulation knowing she will forever be lonely, or let her die

i cant really elaborate without spoiling everything

[heady wyvern]

It's purely ethical in nature. Artemis is dead, and you have the choice of letting them go or confining them to a single simulated star system for them to explore (risking them figuring out). @swift topaz

[swift topaz]

duck it

ima kill him

lol

[latent hill]

i did that because i thought it was the right choice, ending artemis' suffering

but

[heady wyvern]

Such is your choice. I cannot object.

[latent hill]

just keep playing the story 😉

the story for this game is super good

[swift topaz]

haha

[latent hill]

and so are the dialogue options

[heady wyvern]

Just know that you're gonna get a lot more context for this choice later down.

[swift topaz]

to bad

i havent cared enough to read anything

[latent hill]

this dialogue option killed me

followed by

[swift topaz]

lmao

what??

you died because you picked 2

?

[latent hill]

nah i didnt die lol

killed as in died of laughter

[swift topaz]

oh loll

well

[heady wyvern]

It's "killed" as in "lmfao"

[swift topaz]

understood

ima stream

cya

feel free to watch

[fathom nimbus]

the choice makes no difference on the story

it's up to you

[swift topaz]

dose anything i do really make a difrence in the story

[latent hill]

most of the choices you make really dont make THAT much of a difference

[fathom nimbus]

sort of

the end of the main story decides where you go next

other than that, not really

[latent hill]

except this one

[fathom nimbus]

yes, that.

WELL

[swift topaz]

lol

[fathom nimbus]

right before that, too

[latent hill]

ive been staring at these balls for like 15 mins idk which to chose

oh?

[fathom nimbus]

Either you submit, or refuse

[swift topaz]

that dosent tell me anything

[fathom nimbus]

if you refuse, no choice for you

[latent hill]

i never submitted

i dont think

[heady wyvern]

good :3

[latent hill]

maybe i did

lol

[fathom nimbus]

there's a whole wiki page on this

[swift topaz]

well i wont be looking forward to that choice

[fathom nimbus]

if you pick red, you go to calypso, a harsh galaxy where the level of "nasty" planets is high. If you pick green, you get eissentam, a lush galaxy. mostly pretty planets full of life

then there's "rebooted" i forget the wording, which is a galaxy like euclid

and the cold/dead/ice one which is mostly... planets that are cold, dead, frozen, etc

[latent hill]

ancestrial

[fathom nimbus]

thank you

[latent hill]

i spelled it wrong

but yeah

can you change galaxies at any point?

like if i end up hating eissentam and want to go calypso

[cyan mauve]

@latent hill yes, you can always travel between galaxies the "normal" way, by jumping through the core

[swift topaz]

what color is the best i wanan go to a kind of a little of eevrything galaxy

[latent hill]

a lil bit of everything is eulcid honestly

[swift topaz]

allright

tmmathews can you join a vc with me

so you can asner my questions while i play

so i can do both

you n pluto seem to know a lot lol

[latent hill]

i would but im leaving my house rn haha

[swift topaz]

aw

well how bout you pluto

@fathom nimbus

[latent hill]

i dont know nearly as much as some of these other guys

[swift topaz]

or yazz

[heady wyvern]

I'm already in a different server's VC.

Sorry mate

[swift topaz]

allright

[latent hill]

@cyan mauve so i chose eissenhiem, is the story over now?

[cyan mauve]

eissentam. story is over. the game is not.

afair you decided to kill artemis?

[latent hill]

ah i cant spell

yeah i killed artemis

i regret it now

lmao

[cyan mauve]

if you upload them, you get followup dialogs where you have to make another choice: do you tell them about what you did, or not.

they wake up in the simulation in the simulation in the simulation and think its real. so do you tell them its a simulation?

[latent hill]

or let them live in blissful ignorance

so does this just never complete?

[cyan mauve]

yup, that just stays. "all the time in the world" ... 16 ... 15 ... 14 ...

[latent hill]

i still dont understand the significance of 16, like i get the whole 16 minutes left, 16 glyphs, but why 16 and not any other number?

im assuming mathmatical significance but not sure

[cyan mauve]

not aware of any particular significance of 16 there.

[latent hill]

it couldnt have just been a random number

[cyan mauve]

well, i am glad it is not 23 ... or 42 ...

[waxen hare]

I just realized something weird

I finished the story, but I've been playing in euclid ever since

isn't it supposed to bring you to a different galaxy?

[latent hill]

Depends on your choice

If you submit it’ll let you chose

If not you dont get a choice

[icy citrus]

16^16

[latent hill]

I was right, it had something to do with math, found via this post https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/ahudtw/so_whats_the_deal_with_16/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

“The story in no man's sky relates heavily to the actual programming of the game. Hexadecimal (base 16) number system is an essential part in the coding of the procedural universe. The number of planets in game is 16^16.”

[icy citrus]

Yeah, I said

[latent hill]

Which is what gleam said

Yeah it just clicked after reading that

[icy citrus]

😄

[uncut harness]

16^16 = (2^4)^16 = 2^64

Which is the size of the unsigned long long type of data using in programming

[sweet quiver]

is there any more story after the atlas is dying or is that the end?

[mighty rampart]

for the moment that is where we are

yes

[strong bluff]

If you mean after main quest being done, you can also make some remembrance item (I forgot its exact name) which unlocks you an area in space station with more lore about Atlas.

Otherwise, about Atlas it is.

[mighty rampart]

but basically nothing new happens after that last story bit from artemis path

[strong bluff]

At least until the Downfall update comes, if it's true. Or some weekend mission /expedition about it.

[mighty rampart]

most of the lore stuff is either in between or takes much before that

[strong bluff]

There is some lore in other quest lines though. Not about Atlas, but about the Abyss.

The underwater storyline and Void egg one.

And there is lore about it also outside of quests.

Also there is Telamon lore in Boundary failures.

[sweet quiver]

i did the underwater storyline but what is the void egg?

[strong bluff]

Also not interesting lore, but if you didn't do it, do Atlas path. As it gives you ability to detect black holes.

[strong bluff]

You can buy it for Quick silver in the Anomaly and it has its own quest line.

But aside of its dark lore, it sucks.

As most of times you do is waiting a 24 hour time gate before next part.

And at least in my case the ship which I did get from it as reward was much inferior to mine.

And it forces you to go to Euclid Galaxy in its last part, which is annoying, if you don't want to return to previous ones, like in my case.

Also I don't know if I can count it as Abyss lore, but in Derelict freighters you can sometimes find out how it was messed up by it.

[sweet quiver]

oh ok thanks

I might as well try it

[strong bluff]

But the game has tons of lore outside of quests. About the aliens of the Universe, etc.

[sweet quiver]

yeah

[strong bluff]

Also I didn't explore the Archive buildings much.

They are huge buildings which can be found on a planet by a ruins map.

They also contain some interactive lore.

[mighty rampart]

not really interactive, just more text

[strong bluff]

And you can exchange artifacts there.

Text with some choices.

[mighty rampart]

not really aside from getting access

which you cant fail

[strong bluff]

But isn't text all about the lore is?

[mighty rampart]

well if you say interactive lore I think about the gameplay like artemis path

[strong bluff]

That's true. Nope. It isn't like that at Archive.

[mighty rampart]

or weekend missions back when they were doing a story that led to Origins

Archive buildings are just like most terminals but look way cooler and the content depends on which race inhabits the system

[crisp fern]

fwiw terminal content depends on race of system at manufacturing facilities & ops centres as well.

going beyond terminals this is also the case for plaques/ruins, monoliths, blackboxes, and maybe other stuff I'm forgetting atm

[jolly thicket]

boundary failures, pretty sure has race-specific stuff too, but that's basically just a plaque variant.

[heady wyvern]

Fairly certain Boundary Failures show a fixed set of information. Plus, they can spawn in Uncharted systems, as long as there's a Glitch planet.

[mighty rampart]

boundary failures will spout the same logs in a certain order each time

its not race specific

[heady wyvern]

(they usually do spawn in uncharted systems, at least outside of dead galaxies)

[desert tinsel]

can I still go back to euclid and do the dreams of the deep quest after I've moved to hilbert?

[icy citrus]

You should be able to reset that to your current region if you started it there. You can get back to Euclid though, yes

Make sure you place at least a base computer in Hilbert first, so you can easily get back there

[desert tinsel]

oh so I abandon the quest and progress through hilbert until I get it again?

[icy citrus]

No, you should just have the option when you go to the quest

It will have a red icon next to it

[desert tinsel]

great to know, thank you very much

[icy citrus]

Np

[latent hill]

what exactly does this entail? does this send me to a new star system orrrrr

[icy citrus]

Birth the star

Walk away and you lose the chance for the blueprint

[latent hill]

star seed?

[icy citrus]

Yeah

[latent hill]

so that just works to buff health? with remembrance?

[icy citrus]

Yessss?

[latent hill]

alrighty ty

[icy citrus]

I haven't had it uninstalled in a long time - it may be needed to see the blackholes on the galaxy map now, not sure

[latent hill]

you can ask polo for black hole coords

[icy citrus]

Yes, but you can also just see them after the Atlas Path

[latent hill]

oh cool

[icy citrus]

Just not sure if the seed is needed or not for that

[heady wyvern]

(a lot of things send you to different star systems... like your warp drive.)

[latent hill]

after you go thru the black hole is the atlas path over?

[heady wyvern]

Did you get the Star Seed?

[latent hill]

yes

[heady wyvern]

Then you're done, m8

[latent hill]

dang that sucks

any other good side questlines i can do?

[heady wyvern]

I don't exactly know

[latent hill]

ah rip

[heady wyvern]

uhh

Dreams of the Deep? Ya done that? @latent hill

[latent hill]

no actually

have no clue what it even is or where i got it

[heady wyvern]

I believe ya just get it after a certain number of warps

[raw ledge]

guys i dont know what to do

upload artemis or let them die

[high sleet]

It’s sad to me either way

[raw ledge]

i know

[high sleet]

Either she dies or she is stuck living somewhere she can never escape

[raw ledge]

the second option seems moral

the first would cause them pain in the end

[high sleet]

Yeah

[raw ledge]

but i dont want them to die

:(

i cant believe i got fucking attached to a video game character

ugh

[high sleet]

We gotta let them go sometime

[raw ledge]

nooo

i think i'll let them die

it's the moral choice

[high sleet]

Good choose

[raw ledge]

rather than stick them in limbo

for eternity

put them out of their misery

[high sleet]

I uploaded them and I’m pretty sure she asked to meet up and I either had to say no or make an empty promise

[raw ledge]

how could you

i'm making the choice

fuck you artemis

letting me get attached

grumbling

[high sleet]

[raw ledge]

this encompasses my emotions perfectly

GOD ITS SO SAD

IM FUCKIN

SAD

AHHBADSJH

this is the first time i've gotten attached enough to a fictional character (in a videogame) to feel this way

is this it?

have i completed the game?

@high sleeti nEED ANSWERS GODDAMNIT

also i somewhat fucking hate you for your choice

i dont respect your choice >:(

ahh

im calling it a night

see you all later today\

[crisp fern]

for what it's worth you were handling a sophisticated voice mail of Artemis, as Artemis was looong dead

[high sleet]

SORRYYY I was eating grape juice

[smoky rampart]

i refused the atlas at the end of the artemis quest, is there any way to go back?

[icy citrus]

Start a new save

[crisp fern]

Or reload if you haven't already saved since then

[smoky rampart]

what exactly happens if you accept instead of refusing? is the only difference the option to go to a specific galaxy? and lore-wise, do people in euclid just cease to exist?

[crisp fern]

narratively it's kinda 🤷 as i recall regarding the prior galaxy, since -null- isn't necessarily the most trustworthy source of info.

But yeah you just get a choice of galaxy at the end of Artemis Path to bounce over to

[strong bluff]

Accepting the offer is just shortcut to the Center of Galaxy + you can choose your next galaxy type. While refusing means that you need to get to the center by yourself and it instead sends you to next galaxy without choice of its type.

And lore wise (unless changed) you have as much time as you want due the time left until the end of the simulation is on alien timescale.

And I think that if you restart the simulation, indeed all life in the previous galaxy is terminated, lore wise.

I see it similar as when you restart your computer and it terminates all its processes during it.

[prime inlet]

the way i understand it is, every time you core warp, or finish the artemis path and accept the atlas's request, you reset the simulation (to a new galaxy), and therefore, lore wise, thinking of npcs, etc, "the previous galaxy ceases to exist".

the travellers, though, can travel (core warp/artemis path, teleport) between simulations (galaxies) without "loosing their memories"

the space anomaly also keeps their memories iirc.

[gloomy isle]

I guess a lore explanation for moving back to previous galaxies is that time could be getting muddled as the atlas dies?

[strong bluff]

There is also lore about multiplayer and why it wasn't in the game originally - each traveller is in his own iteration. And as Atlas is dying, the Boundary between the iterations broke. That's reason why we can now see each other. It could be indeed similar with the traveling to previous galaxy.

Or maybe we just restart simulation again.

[scarlet wedge]

Nice

I don't know who atlas is

[strong bluff]

Play either Atlas path or Artemis path to find out.

And it's also logo of the game.

[scarlet wedge]

I'm on my way to the core for some reason

[heady wyvern]

(technically speaking you're not, but...)

[scarlet wedge]

Idk what you're talking about

[heady wyvern]

If you're on "The Purge," keep going and you'll figure out.

[scarlet wedge]

I don't know what that is

[heady wyvern]

... okay, I think I'm getting ahead of myself. What's your quest log like?

[smoky rampart]

so, does resetting the simulation actually help the atlas? or does it continue to die regardless

[heady wyvern]

The way I see it is that the Purge is a failsafe that's trying to fix an issue it was never designed to fix. However, the Atlas has no idea what else to do, so it continues with that plan.

The situation that's killing the Atlas, in my belief, is one that the Atlas was never programmed to deal with.

[tulip dirge]

Alt F4 the atlas

[raw ledge]

dfja

piss

[latent hill]

@cyan mauve, care to mess with their brains a bit?

[cyan mauve]

@raw ledge please give me a ping when you get to the part in the storyline where you understand why your decision (and in particular the reason for it) turns out to be a bit problematic. 😄

[raw ledge]

excuse me the fuck did you say to me you little shit

[cyan mauve]

huh?

[raw ledge]

my decision is p r o b l e m a t i c

h o w

t h e

f u c k

[tame grotto]

.mute 2h 663527983809560583 Rule 1. Be civil

[copper kelp]

RedHotTrouble#3707 hobart bartholomew pepperidge jr#6905 has been muted from text and voice chat for 120 minutes.

[cyan mauve]

@raw ledge i asked you to give me a ping when you figure that out. 😄

[fathom nimbus]

the decision makes no difference to the story

so calm your tits.

[fiery shoal]

there is buissness man

named......

i forgot

[raw ledge]

ok now that i have to reset the simulation

is there a time limit or can i just live in bliss forever

[urban apex]

i mean jusr finish it my guy

it lets u choose a system

if u go green u get a paradise planet

the rest are well icy or fire or idk the other one

i know its purple

[waxen hare]

there's a time limit

the time is unknown

but we do know why the time will run out

when hg stops paying for nms servers

[raw ledge]

while you're here

i havea question

[waxen hare]

although singleplayer still exists,, so you can just live eternally

?

[raw ledge]

what happens in the end

[waxen hare]

wdym

[raw ledge]

is the save reset

or do you repeat the story