nms-spoilers

[light cypress]

After being told the truth of existence

[primal ginkgo]

Why? Does being made mean your life means any less ?

[white edge]

:v

[primal ginkgo]

Hi :3

[white edge]

hi

[primal ginkgo]

How r u

[white edge]

bored

[light cypress]

It doesn’t, but the truth is still heavy

[hard stirrup]

What are you talking abut, exactly?

[light cypress]

All of reality being a simulation

Have to go to the center to try and fix it

[hard stirrup]

Yeah, about that...you can't, lol. The center can take you to a different simulation but it doesn't fix anything.

[light cypress]

Dude… I haven’t even got there yet lol

[hard stirrup]

If you reset the simulation at the end of the Artemis questline then it just skipped you to the next galaxy type of your choice. Crashing through a galactic center is the same except you don't get a choice, you just go to the next galaxy in order.

[light cypress]

Not reading it byeeee

[white edge]

you are in the spoilers channel....

[light cypress]

I am but it was to talk about the step I was on since it’s spoilers

Not about successive steps

[hard stirrup]

Going through a galactic cennter isn't really a successive step to anything. No quest asks you to go through a galactic center.

[light cypress]

Yes it does, it’s the main story step I’m on right now

Go to the galactic center

[ebon spoke]

The purge does tell you to go to the center|| it just completes the step before you actually get there||

[hard stirrup]

No, it asks you to warp toward the center...and you don't have to do that...you just have to warp 16 times in any direction.

[light cypress]

Sigh

[hard stirrup]

You never have to reach a galactic center or jump through one.

[ebon spoke]

You don't have to actually reach the center nor even go towards it. But the game doesn't disclose that, the quest does quite literally tell you to travel there

[hard stirrup]

Which is kind of bad instructions these days because there have been people who took a portal to the center, jumped through the galactic center and then went "Why won't quest update?"

[ebon spoke]

Or people who stop to spend time upgrading to make the journey when it doesn't matter

they should just have it so that if you somehow reach the core before completing the required number of warps it puts you in the system that it would have forced you to instead of sending you to the next galaxy

[deep mountain]

if I go to a community base and finish the quest outside of elucid what happens

[hard stirrup]

Same choice as usual but where you end up may differ. If you don't reset simulation you stay in the galaxy you are in and if you reset you go to the next galaxy of the chosen type in order. So if you finish in Eissentam(galaxy 10, lush) and choose to reset and then select lush you will go to the next lush galaxy in order, which will be galaxy 19 whereas if you finished and made that choice in Euclid you'd have ended up in Eissentam.

[deep mountain]

That's actually pretty cool good way to get away from everyone

Ty for info

[distant bronze]

What do we think about the duplicate freighter summons glitch thats been going on of late? Think its HG working on having multiple under your command like the datamine hinted at?

[hard stirrup]

Fix is already in experimental...been in experimental for a week. The next patch will fix it.

[distant bronze]

I mean it in terms of future update, sometimes things they're working on behind the scenes hint at what they plan to introduce or add to later on.

[hard stirrup]

No idea...maybe? It could in theory be an effect of a feature not implemented for larger freighter battles or something. But it's hard to say. We know they are working on some sort of freighter update but what that will do besides allowing us to own 8 freighters is impossible to say.

[ebon spoke]

The bug is that your freighter doesn't disappear if you summon it to another spot in the same system, right?

It could be related to them potentially letting you have multiple freighters in one system, I suppose

Though the save file is set up so that each freighter would be able to store it's own coordinates in it's save slot, so that might be a stretch

[hard stirrup]

No, copies of your freighter appear in other systems when you warp with your freighter....and they keep on stacking more and more.

[hot trout]

@umbral phoenix did Apollo survive?

[umbral phoenix]

I don't know...i got a message saying Atlas found him

[hot trout]

Hmm, thats ambiguous

[umbral phoenix]

And dayum...i don't know if feel bad for the Gek or not

The nanites thing

[hot trout]

Its complicated, and so the feelings should be complex as well, imo

[umbral phoenix]

But then again, good thing i didn't store Artemis

[hot trout]

And the complexity increases the more you know of their history

[umbral phoenix]

That fate is worse than death

[hot trout]

Heh, maybe

Id certainly hope the choice of death brings them rest

[umbral phoenix]

I've played enough Star rail and Genshin to know looping makes people suffer so much 🤣

[hot trout]

They wouldn't loop in the sub-simulation

[umbral phoenix]

Well yeah but its the same concept, is it truly freedom though

[hot trout]

Its just that its only one star system

[hot trout]

Im not sure either option is

[umbral phoenix]

Yeah...

[hot trout]

Ill leave it to you to learn more about the workings of the nms universes

[umbral phoenix]

Well im on a mission called 16/16 am i near the end?

[hot trout]

Close

[analog breach]

We live on 1 planet our whole life soo is it that bad tho?

[hot trout]

We were not created with a directive

I mean some may say otherwise but I havent seen proper evidence for it

[umbral phoenix]

The thing is, will Artemis retain their memories or start from scratch

[hot trout]

I uploaded Artemis, they seem to retain their memory

[umbral phoenix]

Oh btw is Artemis a he or she?

[hot trout]

My hope is that Artemis will learn how best to do the one thing most travellers never do...
Actually explore a planet's surface

[umbral phoenix]

Because the Artemis from mythos i know is a woman, but then again they're alien

[hot trout]

Almost every character in nms (in English at least) is referred to using gender neutral pronouns

[umbral phoenix]

Ah i see

So its up to interpretation?

[hot trout]

Apparently, in languages that dont have gender neutral pronouns, it alternates between them

[hot trout]

Yeah

More people view Artemis as a he than I expected

[umbral phoenix]

I view Artemis as a she became the mythos and stuff

[hot trout]

I tend to view Artemis as feminine, but I know that there isnt an actual certainty

I viewed figures like Tethys as masculine despite their name originating from a female deity

[analog breach]

Genders wont change anything in story so anyone can make their own headcanon.

[umbral phoenix]

Ngl, Atlas kinda reminds me of that one cosmic horror story...

[hot trout]

Theres a lot of those

But studying Atlas' character is one of the most interesting things to do, regarding this game's story

[umbral phoenix]

Anyone know The Last Question by Isaac Asimov.

[analog breach]

And technicaly there was multiple simulation iterations so all npc could have both genders at this point so gender does not mater.

[umbral phoenix]

“INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER.”

[hot trout]

Hmm

I see what you mean

Though Atlas is... definitely a bit different

[umbral phoenix]

Its a really old short story but i think the devs took inspiration

[hot trout]

Possibly

From what I know of the Atlas, it would be a relatively minor inspiration

[umbral phoenix]

Yeah i need to dig deep into the lord of NMS

I survived Warframe lore i can survive this too🤣

[hot trout]

It is a consciousness vast and nigh-incomprehensible, definitely inhuman, yet with human characteristics

[umbral phoenix]

Yeah that's interesting, well i need to finish this first before i accidentally spoil myself 🤣

[hot trout]

The way Atlas thinks is extremely interesting to me, because its quite difficult to write a character in such a way of balancing those similarities and differences

[hot trout]

There is lore you cannot access until after you finish that storyline. It reveals more about the Atlas

[umbral phoenix]

Btw, i finished the Atlas path first before Artemis. Is that bad?

[hot trout]

No

I think they are meant to be completed alongside each other, but you can complete one or the other first

[umbral phoenix]

Hmm i see

[hot trout]

Also, just so you know now, I consider the main questlines to be more like summaries of the lore

[umbral phoenix]

Wait, so Null is the reason why planets and animals already have names?

[hot trout]

No

[umbral phoenix]

How can i get the full picture?

Are there books?

[hot trout]

God I wish

You know the story tab in your catalog?

That keeps track of most of the important bits

[umbral phoenix]

There's a story tab!?

[hot trout]

If youve read or encountered something before, it should record it there

[hot trout]

Yeah, in "catalog and guide"

[umbral phoenix]

Alright, looks like i have something to read then

[hot trout]

It does not record everything

That fact is probably the thing that annoys me the most, when it comes to this game, lol

[umbral phoenix]

So is Null like Apollo? Previously "human" turned mechanical?

[hot trout]

Yes and no

To both, I mean, though they were/are Travellers

[analog breach]

Yeah. More like general overview of the story than actual records

[hard stirrup]

If he died the Atlas would tell you that your guidance led him to his death or something along those lines. Not that it makes much difference as you never see or talk to Apollo again after that regardless of whether he lived or died.

[hot trout]

A decent chunk is recorded as we see it, but others are definitely summarized

[hot trout]

Actually, you do

[umbral phoenix]

Imagine an Easter egg where we can find Apollo's garden 🤣

[hot trout]

If Apollo dies, they wont contact you as part of the penultimate mission in the questline

[hard stirrup]

Apollo can contact you during the purge if he lived and if you see him there then he survived. But I think the Atals only tells you of his fate after the purge. So you don't see him again after that regardless.

[hot trout]

And I'm fairly sure Apollo does contact you when they get through the other side

[hot trout]

Nah, the death would happen before the purge

Its based on your guidance before Apollo goes through the portal

[hard stirrup]

It would happen before the purge yes, but the Atlas doesn't tell you about it until you reach the interface to make the final decision on whether to reset the simulation. And he doesn't contact you later...whether you stay in Euclid or crash in a new galaxy, that's the end of the questline...you get remembrance blueprint and that's the end of it.

[hot trout]

Yeah, but im saying he contacts you during the purge if he lives

[hard stirrup]

I already said that literally two replies above: "Apollo can contact you during the purge if he lived and if you see him there then he survived. But I think the Atals only tells you of his fate after the purge. So you don't see him again after that regardless."

[hot trout]

Ohh, ok

[umbral phoenix]

So, Apollo did died

How long before this end😭

Now i need to warn other travelers

[hot trout]

@umbral phoenix dont portal, just keep jumping

[hot trout]

Do you remember if the interfaces can have their different appearances after the questlines?

[umbral phoenix]

Alright...

[hard stirrup]

Interesting question. I don't think that the appearance varies anymore after completing the Artemis quest and Atlas path but I'm not sure about that. I haven't really been visiting Atlas stations much since.

[hot trout]

It would be a shame for them to only show up once

[thorny tiger]

Umm, just completed the story and chose new beginings and now im stranded on a random plannet with no starship... help 😢

[hard stirrup]

Fix your Analysis Visor and you'll see your ship marker.

[safe jasper]

bro im tryna complete the story, and a freaking freighter cargo thing is interupting!

[hard stirrup]

Just reload the restore point created when you docked...that should make it go away.

[inland ingot]

Bro is not the main character 💀 🙏 😭

[median hatch]

Just finished the Artemis mission

Now im not happy gonna figure out what happened and who did it

[late tusk]

still waiting for the day we get a (you completed all main story quests on a previous save. would you like to skip forward to that point on this save?) question when starting a new save.

[cedar solstice]

Does anyone know the real correct glyphs for the void egg? I've put in the glyphs from the starbirth , flesh on metal bones but the planet is incorrect

[hard stirrup]

Also it HAS to be in Euclid galaxy. If you go to that address in any other galaxy it won't work.

[jade oyster]

Does anyone have any thoughts about the "A.T.L.A.S"

[cedar solstice]

Right so in Euclid galaxy find a portal then use the glyphs then it will take me to the void egg.
I'll give it a go Ty

[hot trout]

There are so many answers to that question, lol

[analog breach]

Waay to many

[cunning wadi]

Is the crimsom web the furthest that the atlas mission goes, or do I need to unlock more by progressing further in the artemis and anomaly missions? because I

[continued] im far enough that I put artemis in the simulation and a bit more progressed than that

[hard stirrup]

The Atlas Path progression isn't tied to the Artemis storyline, it's tied to overall milestones...there are 100 total overall milestones you can achieve, you need to reach 50 to complete the Atlas path. Some are extremely simple like complete fauna scans...do that on 10 planets and you got 10 milestones achieved. Same for making units...you only need like 1.5 million units for 10 milestones there. Others are harder like extreme survival or learning total words and so on. But you can reach 50 in a few hours if you focus on the easy ones.

[cunning wadi]

Do milestones transfer over cross saves on different devices?

[hard stirrup]

I never tested it or did anything with cross saves but as long as it's the same save they should. That said I have heard horror stories, at least from steam users, about save files losing data about completed expeditions when moving from one PC to another. So there might be issues with cross save too, I'm not sure. Best advice I have is keep whatever you're playing the game on now handy so if something happens to your saves on the new device you transfer your saves to, then at least you can return to what you're playing on now.

[cunning wadi]

Well I'm going between switch 2 and PC, so let's hope. The cross saves are unplayable for a long time though because different updating periods

[flint hollow]

hello anything from datamining?

[hard stirrup]

Two things, 1) Voyagers changed save files to support owning up to 8 freighters, so that is likely coming at some point, and 2) with the Xeno Arena update files relating to some kind of dice game were also datamined. And also a set of items with the file name purplestarseed...so possibly some kind of quest for the Void Mother similar to how we did the Atlas Path for the Atlas might be coming. I think that's everything we know of now.

[flint hollow]

thx

[paper spire]

If I understand the file system, there is an account file that houses the expedition milestones. It would seem like that would not be part of the cross save. The game SAVE file not being the account file.

Unlocks on that SAVE would be included tho- like purple stars. but not expeditions

[sour fossil]

The textures for purple star seeds were removed as they were empty textures / work in progress

But there was a mission chain that referenced those

That might still be in the files, I saw the breakdown floating somewhere

[vale sun]

8 freighters??

[analog breach]

Or something that we dont know yet categorized by hg as such.

[vale sun]

Time to cosplay as darth vader with my 8 star destroyer looking capital ships then

[humble kayak]

omw to stockpile the 40k looking freighters and call myself notroboute notguilliman

[hard stirrup]

Almost certainly freighters. They are the last of our major equipment we are restricted to only having one of. And it's a natural thing to expand. It would give us much to do. Even maxing out one freighter is a significant undertaking. And while under the current system I don't think we'd need to actually max 8 I do think maxing at an absolute minimum of two is necessary and probably 4 or 5 would be ideal.

[analog breach]

Almost. Unless hg has something in mind. But for now we have no other lead.

[hard stirrup]

If they have something else in mind it's freighter types. And it is true we don't know what all else they'll do with such an update the most probable things are more freighter models like they added the pirate dreadnaught a while back, and expedition reward freighter. Those are probably the safest guesses.

[vale sun]

I would love more freighter types

[hard stirrup]

Well some kind of Freighter update is on the way so we'll probably get more models. I am hoping for some kind of ghost freighters similar to the Ship of the Damned frigate...freighters that run without crew that can appear both in the normal game an in Abandoned mode...and then add ghost frigates to the game properly too so Abandoned mode can also have freighters and frigates too.

[vale sun]

I would also like autophage crew and freighters but I doubt that will come about anytime soon

[hard stirrup]

Actually that might happen...it's looking like the next big update will coincide with the next big chapter of the core story after unlocking purple stars...and every addition to the main story so far has come with big features...including the autophage themselves and new multitool types. So if the next big story chapter comes with the freighter update it might unlock access to new freighter types similar to how They Who Returned brought new MT types...and it's looking like the next chapter will be about the Void Mother...so Autophage crew could happen.

[vale sun]

I will keep hoping then, it is mostly a cosmetic change but I really like the autophage look

[frigid storm]

It would be interesting if they eventually add autophage themed freighters and such.

[nocturne stag]

is there confirmation of a freighter update? huh

[hard stirrup]

Officially? No, HG never confirm anything ahead of time. We don't even know updates are coming until an emoji is dropped like 5 days before and we don't know what updates are until they release...patch notes and official posts usually drop after an update releases. But datamined info lets us know what they are working on...and pretty much everything previously datamined has made it into the game. With the Voyagers update they modified save files to be able to hold information about up to 8 player owned freighters. So they are actively working on it.

[nocturne stag]

interesting, thanks

[prime thunder]

in the quest 16 16 is there actually a material, strategic difference in the options? or are the different "options" just for flavor/difficulty?

[hard stirrup]

Literally no idea what you're talking about. What options? Dialogue choices?

[prime thunder]

the anger/sadness/defiance options

which I think lead to lushious, harsh, normal, or empty galaxies?

is there like, a practical, reward difference between them or are they just different planet spawn rates? I think I read that harsh galaxy planets have more activated ores but is lushious just pretty planets?

[hard stirrup]

No. That choice is something else entirely...you will have four pedestals you can walk up to, each with a hologram of a galaxy and each with a different color for different galaxies.

[prime thunder]

ah

[hot trout]

The responses influence reactions from the Atlas, I believe

[prime thunder]

that matter or just flavor?

[hot trout]

Gameplay-wise, doesnt matter

[prime thunder]

a hilarious mod would be one that replaces "16" with "67"

so it's funnier when you confuse or enrage people by mentioning 67

[hot trout]

But that change results in changing lore implications

[prime thunder]

🫴 🫴

67

the Atlas was programmed by a teenager born after the 2008 housing market crash

[prime thunder]

is there a more efficient way to get to the galactic center? or is it just supposed to take dozens of jumps?

[white edge]

portal glyphs

[hard stirrup]

You can just take a portal to the galactic center after you finish Artemis' storyline.

[prime thunder]

how do you get the glyphs? I think I'm getting some by jumping toward the center?

[hard stirrup]

But if you are at the bit where the story tells you to warp towards the center then don't worry about the center, just warp 16 times.

[white edge]

Yeah

[hard stirrup]

The Purge quest will give you all the glyphs.

[kindred whale]

they just dropped the gek truth bomb on me, safe to say i do not like them any better now

[hot trout]

There is more to the story, not in terms of justification, but in terms of understanding what happened

[prime thunder]

my precious little monsters

vykeen are still ugly

Korvax still my favorite

[kindred whale]

i just got to the not justification/ actual reasoning behind the end of their rule, the fact that as a whole the species mellowed out only due to outside interference from the korvax is interesting. rude lil mfs

[hot trout]

How did they get to the point before that?

[kindred whale]

surely i dont need to spolier cover something on the spoilers page right

[hot trout]

The First Spawn are as naturally occuring as their sudden change

They merely used less technological methods to achieve their results

[kindred whale]

i dont think im as far as you think i might be

[hot trout]

You have been told the brief version of their history

The plaques and ruins offer more detail

It's actually entirely possible to have learned the three races' histories before getting to that point in the main questline

[prime thunder]

bruh...

why they gotta bait me with a really cool planet after portalling to the center of the galaxy and prevent me from being able to set down a base claim

[hard stirrup]

That probably just means you're too close to another player base...and players like to place bases near portals. Just have to move a bit away and you'll be fine.

[prime thunder]

it sent me to an empty looking world with big machinery all over, and teleported me to the atlas after 16 seconds

[hard stirrup]

Ah, worlds like that aren't too difficult to find. Probably a metallurgic world. Like this one? https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/fu5f1e/a_metallurgic_planet/

[prime thunder]

sorta but it was mostly like, big rings and stuff

big rings and antennas

[hard stirrup]

A boundary failure? https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Boundary_Failure

[prime thunder]

yup, that's it

[hard stirrup]

Those are all over the exotic worlds with 1 fauna...very common planets in blue systems.

[prime thunder]

also I'm looking at the galaxy types and is empty the only option that can spawn "weird" planets?

[hard stirrup]

You mean solar system types? And what are you looking for exactly?

[prime thunder]

I'm at the center of the galaxy deciding what to do

galaxy type

[hard stirrup]

On the Atlas station where you choose the galaxy type? green=lush, blue=dead, red=hostile, and cyan=normal.

[prime thunder]

ye

trynna decide

oh weirds are blue and green systems in all types

[hard stirrup]

Yes...galaxy type only really affects the balancing of yellow systems...all he other system types will still be there and largely the same.

[prime thunder]

is there any actual material benefit of one over another? or are they mostly just like, difficulty/stylistic?

[hard stirrup]

Hostile galaxy is mostly a difficulty change while dead and lush are mostly planet biome variation. Lush galaxy means lots more lush and paradise worlds and dead galaxy means lots more airless and dead worlds.

And normal galaxy is...well...normal...balanced the same as Euclid.

[prime thunder]

wait, the ship you bring with you disappears???

oh nvm, found it

[stark lake]

I’ve already done this once before, but finding out Artemis is actually dead made me sad

[languid wyvern]

same I was so sad

[violet cosmos]

If it makes you feel any better, he was never alive.

[native carbon]

im so confused is artemis a female or male or a genderless

i thought artemis was a female cuz of the goddess

[gilded girder]

Gender only applies to fauna in this game. The only non-fauna entity with gender description is the Void Mother.

[icy ginkgo]

Everyone is non-binary in the NMS universe confirmed

[native carbon]

fair. but in my head Artemis is a female, cuz of the goddess

[native carbon]

lorewise we all are binary, you know, 1010010101

[icy ginkgo]

Technically yes

[native carbon]

im joking

[icy ginkgo]

I know

[native carbon]

also AM whats your opinion about Atlas

[icy ginkgo]

Needs more eternal torture. I like the lack of humans

[hard stirrup]

Nobody knows for sure. Some people assume Artemis is female because it's assumed HG named Artemis after the greek goddess by the same name so the logic is Artemis must be female. Personally I'm inclined to think Artemis is a dude. But let's be real, at the end of the day Artemis is just a really creepy looking alien.

[near forge]

I don‘t think Artemis is creepy looking at all personally. If anything they‘re one of the more „friendly“ looking travellers, imo.

But maybe I‘m just attributing that to them due to their nature. I feel like us and the main story travellers are symbolically tied to the galaxy types.

With our character representing „normal“, Artemis „lush“, Apollo „harsh“, and Null „dead“.

[frigid storm]

I think most of the travelers the gender is unknown, if they even have one...
Especially since they are the only one of their kind that exists. (Obviously you will run across dead travelers and graves that share looks, but that is just from the massive size of the NMS universe.)

[north echo]

Travellers are technically male, since the creator of the atlas is male, and the travellers are copies of the creator

[hot trout]

The gender of the creator is unknown

[north echo]

Isn't it male? I'm pretty sure he is male

[hot trout]

It is never specified

[hard stirrup]

I don't think the creator is mentioned more than once in game...might have been mentioned more in the 2018 ARG Waking Titan, I don't remember enough to be sure, but none of that story has even tangentially touched on in game so we can't treat any of that as actual NMS canon.

[hot trout]

If you mean counting the entirety of a log collection as a single mention, then I'd say its been more like 2 or 3 times

[hard stirrup]

I only remember the creator being mentioned there, yeah. Didn't remember if he was mentioned more than once even there.

[hot trout]

The creator is directly apparent in remembrance, mentioned by telamon (maybe not directly), and referred to by the voice of the hive

I think -null- mentions the creator as well, though idk

[hard stirrup]

I finished evaluating the reward pets from Oceanus and the hard truth is that they all suck as fighters...not one of them is worth having to fight in the arena. SSS is good but not with crippled power sets and the fact their powers are fixed makes them worthless as fighters. The only one I claimed, gene edited and hatched was the Geno-Prawn because it's a titan worm that actually flies, not just hovers slightly above the ground...so that one along with previous expedition titan worm are the only two pets that actually can fly in the game without mods save editing or getting eggs from someone who modded or save edited.

[hot trout]

Their powers cant be rerolled later?

[analog breach]

Squid has decent skills imo..but nothing op

[hard stirrup]

No. Technically for one of them it is possible...but I mean that in the most strictly technical meaning. Each of its powers can only roll into a basic attack and back to whatever they were...you can do that a hundred times and that's ALL it will roll into. If you try to roll the powers of the others you just get error messages saying you can't do that.

[hot trout]

Interesting

Well I wasnt in it for the stats, but I'll make my own judgements when I get there

[hard stirrup]

You should make some kind of plan for your pet slots because 30 isn't as many as it sounds. There are 8 pet types and have to fight in teams of 3...so you have to decides how many fighters of each type you want to have...if you decide for 3 of each type that's 24 pet slots leaving very little room for non-fighter pets and none of these are worth a fighter slot. Personally I went with 2 of each type, which leaves me more room for non fighter pets. If the enemy goes with 3 of a kind I can beat them with 2 that are offensively strong against them and one that is defensively resistant to their type...that's my plan.

I was originally going to go for just 1 of each type but no, that's really not enough...if the enemy goes for 3 of a kind I'd have to go with 1 offensively strong, 1 defensively resistant, and 1 neutral, which leaves the strength too diluted.

[hot trout]

Ngl, you dont need to have a full roster of offensively/defensively strong companions for battles. My titan worm is able to carry in most battles if needed, regardless of type, aside from the ones with resistance, I suppose

[near forge]

I haven‘t hatched the helios child yet I hope it turns out good, it‘s one of my favs.

[hot trout]

That one seems to be random

Mine, at least, doesnt have a unique species name

[near forge]

Ayy it‘s one of the few that can be rerolled, but I have already claimed it so the stats have been determined.

Just hadn‘t unlocked enough pet slots yet, now that they‘ve gotten cheaper it‘s become a lot easier.

I kinda want to make a creative save for the purpose of rerolling expo pets but at the same time…if I already have those at SSS, I‘ll be less hyped for the new reward ones

[hot trout]

They dont need to be triple S to be good

[near forge]

The Scuttler, the Mechamouse, the Helios Child and one other I thought about rerolling

[near forge]

Hmm ig so but a mix of A and S would be nice to have

[hot trout]

If they have unique species names, they cant have their combat stats rerolled

[near forge]

Yep, I was very disapointed to find out the Biohorror and Sentinel Dog are fixed

[hot trout]

I think robomouse has a set species, but idr

[near forge]

The Worm is too, but it at least has fixed triple A stats

[near forge]

Robomouse can be rerolled, I already tried

Best I got was SAA I think, on my main its B overall

[hot trout]

One of my most powerful companions rn is the one toxic I tamed

[near forge]

I have found some strong random fauna but none I was keen to adopt lol

[hot trout]

Its a flying cow with a beak, and it has both a one-turn triple attack and a "screw your high health companion" attack

[near forge]

Ah that last one sounds very useful. I got rolled by a 4000hp pet recently, but I also haven‘t messed around with Arena that much so my pets are very underdeveloped

It‘s enough for the PVE Content though, the titan worm is broken there.

[hard stirrup]

I know some unclaimed pets have random class not determined until you claim them but not all of them. Try hatching the Child of Helios, see what class it is, and unless it's SSS reload the restore point, claim it again and see if it's the same class...if not you can reload until SSS, and you should be able to reroll its powers too...only Oceanus reward pets don't allow re-rolling.

[near forge]

Yeah, unfortunately I had already claimed it on my main save, just not hatched yet due to having lacked slots.

So at this point I can only pray that it’s gotten good stats. Perhaps I‘ll reroll them on an alternate save, and then trade them to my main, but that‘s something I‘ll have to dwell on for a bit.

[hot trout]

The triple shot can reduce hp pretty well, and the super attack does 1k damage minimum

Still not level 30, though

[hard stirrup]

That's a really good point. I had most of them claimed since before Xeno Arena...the best one is the titan worm and even that is only AAA. I may have to re-roll the ones I can until SSS on my secondary save, wait for them to grow up, get eggs, and then have a friend help me transfer a set of eggs back to my main save to replace all the trashy ones.

[cunning wadi]

@native carbon @tardy root dont read if you haven't beaten the game, but ||since the universe is just a simulation, its actually genius that you think of the bugs as cannon, because that could absolutely be true||

[native carbon]

thats just coping

doesnt work for me man

[cunning wadi]

😔 well i tried

I havent seen too many bugs myself

only the invisible wall one, the falling into planets once in a blue moon, and going into space stations at weird angles, none of which really mess up the game for me. oh and the corvette clipping on the anomaly

[maiden aspen]

ngl thats pretty good explanation

[cunning wadi]

And if its also a dying simulation, it makes it even more true

[maiden aspen]

yea as the atlas dies, the program starts to show bugs

good coping ig

[hot trout]

The canon bugs tend to be different than the bugs we experience, but there are definitely some that would align to the lore

[distant bronze]

An interesting thing i noticed, there used to be a mechanic in game where you couldn't actually shoot at the NPCs, aim at them and the multi tool wouldnt fire, now though I noticed that you can, you dont do any damage, but your shots make contact

[cunning wadi]

What did the first spawn look like, and since they used pheramones to phycologically alter their enemies, does this imply they were desirable 🤔 ?

Oh so lore wise the nexus is where travellers from different realities can converge to do missions? And also demonstrates how the space anomaly is outside of the total control of the atlas and universe

in addition what is the void mother to the best of our knowledge?

[cunning wadi]

The Atlas as a computer would need servers far too massive and power consuming to build now or even in thousands of years. that said, what could have even made the atlas, because it needs stellar class power, hinting at an extremely advanced civilization that had to make it. In addition, what was the atlas' purpose before it started failing, what caused its creators to die, and is the in game universe just the outside universe simulated? can we make anything like the atlas in game, that might help tell if its based on the outside world the same way space engine is made to simulate our universe

[icy ginkgo]

The Void mother is the remnants of Korvax Prime. She calls the Korvax her children, so it is safe to assume she created them. She's sort of like the atlas, but obviously different.

[cunning wadi]

oh yeah a smaller version of the atlas

[light cypress]

Nada has a small universe in his special room

What if it’s just universes all the way down

[icy ginkgo]

No Man's Sky, in the real world, takes place in the future. The ATLAS was made by "The Atlas Foundation" (Learned from the Waking Titan ARG). The ATLAS' purpose was to explore the concept of simulation theory and predict outcomes for humanity. It's creators abandoned it in space, while they flew off into the stars after it fulfilled its goals. They took the more advanced atlas with them.

Not particularly sure what that last question means

[cunning wadi]

No it was exactly waht you said

asking if they were trying to simulate their irl universe

thanks, but also i assume we know nothing about the greater atlas, right?

a server for the atlas itslef right now would need to be the size of the sun and the power of it too

so what would the greater atlas need unless they found better energy

[icy ginkgo]

They did abandon the older atlas a millenia ago, so it could be assumed they have found better power sources

We aren't really sure what powers the atlas nor how big it is. But It can be assumed it is large, as it is currently being torn apart

But yeah we know nothing of the greater atlas other than it was probably better

[ebon spoke]

We actually get a description of what the first spawn Gek looked like, pretty much the same as modern Gek but taller. There's also the first spawn battle helmet we can unlock that matches up pretty well with the modern Gek's appearances.

[light cypress]

It sounded like all they really did was edit their motivation with nanites

Pretty brutally

Found a log somewhere where they described how to take apart a korvax

[ebon spoke]

Pretty much, but it isn't confirmed if what the Atlas Foundation builds is the actual Atlas from the game. The point stands though, in the ARG, humans build something comparable to the Atlas on Earth and in the modern day. It's obviously using some sci fi tech but nothing as crazy as what most people imagine

[hot trout]

I do not think it is the Atlas in the game for a variety of reasons, chiefly the description of its activation ingame is very different from Waking Titan

[native carbon]

yo Datamining experts, i have a question

are there any signs of a update coming soon or something like that?

like... the community task thinnies

[sour fossil]

nope

HG can put lots of stuff for QS research in advance, doesn't have to align with future updates

[analog breach]

Sometimes they did updates as qs shop runed out stuff to unlock but that is not any update indicator bc lack of consistency

[native carbon]

are they still rolling up patches or stopped for now?

took a break and not really sure

cuz usually when they stop doing patches its a sign that a update is coming

[violet cosmos]

Last update was installed May 4th, according to my Steam

[native carbon]

so i guess the update can release anyday now

[humble kayak]

updates come every like, 6 to 8 weeks

its been uhhh

almost 5 weeks

so keep an eye out within the next two weeks or so

maybe another 3 but nobody knows

[native carbon]

oh i will and not for the content but for the fixes

[humble kayak]

i assume we'll be getting another small update

[native carbon]

i want ma game stable and pretty u know

[humble kayak]

HG seem to be focusing their manpower towards the anniversary update

now that i look, though, Sean Murray has gone silent on twitter

so we may see something soon

[native carbon]

that thing will be huge

[humble kayak]

yeah I'm at a loss trying to imagine what it could even be

[hard stirrup]

The "Atlas Foundation" is a term that only ever existed in the Waking Titan ARG and I would not take any of it as canon at all. The actual game never acknowledged any of its lore and never formed any connection to its lore beyond an iteration number that shows up but that's more of an easter egg than an actual connection. So it's best not to speak of Waking Titan lore as having "confirmed" anything...it doesn't confirm anything.

[humble kayak]

Unless it's a bigass story expansion or something

[hard stirrup]

I would think it's likely the freighter update they're working on. Which I imagine there will be more to it than just allowing us to own 8 freighters...there's bound to be more freighter types at least...maybe a new kind of derelict we can fix up and get in working order and run without a crew so abandoned mode can have freighters too. That would be insanely good. We also know they're working on some kind of dice game but that seems like a smaller type of update unless they package it is with something else like the freighter update. And while I think there will be a big story quest coming too I don't think just the story will be the update...there will be something huge there...all main story additions so far have brought huge features like They Who Returned added a new race, new language to learn, medals and standing for them as a new faction, a whole new appearance customizer set, and two new multitool types. And then we got purple systems.

[light cypress]

Is the prefix “Iteration:” given to those who’ve died? If I’ve died 9 times do I have 8 different iterations plus myself?

Or am I always myself because I’m not even supposed to exist in the first place cause Artemis got abducted by sentinels and I got put in her place?

[hard stirrup]

Not necessarily. I think the term Iteration refers to the version of the simulation that character either lived in or originated from. Since the NMS universe is run by the Atlas and we know that the Atlas has run many simulations and now in its rampancy it is constantly trying to reset the simulation over and over and over again.

[light cypress]

So everyone is some sort of “iteration”

Or only travelers?

[gilded girder]

Only travellers are iterations, because ||they all share the same "soul" (based on a brainscan of Atlas' creator)||

[light cypress]

So then would we not be an iteration because we got put in as a bug?

The logs allude to us taking Artemis’s spot after she gets stuck in the portals

And Nada comments that we are where Artemis should be, but we are not Artemis

[gilded girder]

As far as I know, it is unclear exactly what the player is. Except that they are different somehow from the other Travellers.

However, they are long-awaited, so I don't think it's a bug.

[light cypress]

Between Artemis’s dialog that Apollo says sounds like a sentinel event, Nada’s comment, and the initialization of the game logging that an iteration was deleted so a fresh one was made but it’s an anomaly, it doesn’t seem too hard to believe Artemis was supposed to be us

I guess we’d be a “new” iteration

[hard stirrup]

I don't think saying they share a soul is accurate. They were made in the image of the creator...the Atlas trying to estimate what the creator would do...but they are not the creator...or the same for that matter.

[hot trout]

There are complicated implications

[hard stirrup]

No, not as a bug. The player is the last traveler summoned into existence by the Atlas. That was intentional. Whether the Atlas intended for us, the players, to inhabit this last traveler, that we don't know.

[hot trout]

One of which not being that they share a soul, but that a soul was split into all

Or a copy of a soul

Or theyre all copies

[gilded girder]

Sorry, yes, "share" is not the correct term

[hard stirrup]

Not accurate. The atlas isn't splitting a soul. A painter can try to make a thousand copies of a painting but each does not take anything away from the others. And thinking in terms of souls is also entirely wrong...the travelers are simulations...or were...until the players took control of them. They don't have souls...the players that control them do but there is only one such traveler in each simulation and whether the Atlas knew or intended for that to happen is unclear.

[light cypress]

Out of all the travelers that we meet, we are definitely different

I want to go back through my logs again cause I didn’t know learning more words would fill in the language in the log

[gilded girder]

The Atlas dialogues specify that he has the formula for a soul

One of the Traveller echoes remarks that Atlas showed them the formula for their own soul (just as he did to us)

[hard stirrup]

The Atlas is also going crazy. Whether that is truth or insanity talking is unclear.

[light cypress]

It’s kind of hard to know if that’s what Atlas truly meant though, since we are learning this information through the eyes of a traveler. The traveler might just be saying it’s a “soul”

Because that’s how they understood the information Atlas showed them

If anyone understands Atlas the most, I’d think it would be Nada. But Nada doesn’t want to talk about it

Even though Atlas likes us the most

I wish Nada would tell us more about their pocket simulation

[gilded girder]

It's a real-world philosophical device turned into game plot point. What is a soul, does it matter if our reality is real, do the choices we make define us, or do we even have a choice at all?

[light cypress]

It’s all very existential

I did not see the overarching idea coming

And while the player character can more or less feel one way or the other about all those questions, the base question of “who am I” is still a mystery

I don’t trust the Atlas but I don’t feel like at any one point or the other it’s told me lies, and the Atlas path makes the fealty it demands seem more like wanting input than loyalty.

But then the quest right after shows a whole race and their planets pretty much got deleted, so while no direct lies there seems to be some lies by omission.

I think I just need to find more in game tidbits

[hot trout]

The travellers explicitly have souls

Simulation or not, that is an actual thing in the game

[light cypress]

I forgot about the mind arc

And Nada’s response was to call it a soul

[hot trout]

Or the visage of -null-

What do traveller souls look like?

[light cypress]

Weird aliens lol

[hot trout]

A glowing orb of light

[light cypress]

Is that a soul? Null’s head?

Helios’s head too

[hot trout]

Helios' isnt the same

[light cypress]

He had a glowing golden orb that’s covered by tree bits

Or maybe that’s just how switch is rendering it. I googled pics and it looks different

[hot trout]

Its more like intertwined glowing tendrils, iirc

[light cypress]

Yeah I think it’s just how the switch was rendering it

That it looked like an orb

The culling is real overzealous

Is it ever learned anywhere what shady things Null did to survive for so long?

He stopped talking to me after I made him angry

[hot trout]

It is clarified in the boundary failure terminal logs

At least one of the things done

[light cypress]

Oh I think I have a map for one of those

I need to use that and also start making/using atlas passes

[hot trout]

You do not

They can only be found in inhabited or abandoned systems on exotic or infested worlds

They are large, mechanical structures shaped like a ring

[light cypress]

Maybe it was just a sentinel pillar map then

I had to stop playing NMS to actually get some work done for the day lol

[ebon spoke]

I was talking about what was/wasn't confirmed in the ARG. Waking Titan never directly referenced the Atlas or anything specific from NMS lore, so even if you did consider it canon it isn't clear how the two would connect anyway. That being said, there are more connections than just an iteration number. For example, the crashed freighter logs mention that humans had a technology they called "echoes", similar to the Korvax. In Waking Titan, the same technology existed with the same name and was one of the core components used in the creation of Loop16.

While it's possible that Waking Titan is a prequel about the creation of the Atlas (or at least an early version of it), it's also very possible Waking Titan's setting was entirely within the Atlas' simulation in one of the earlier iterations in which humanity existed. It's even possible that humans were entirely an invention of the Atlas, like how the other races are and had nothing to do with it's creation.

[light cypress]

I never even heard of Waking Titan

[near forge]

The Leviathan expedition and the description of some of its items like this one, I‘ve also always read as a reference to Waking Titan, since „loops“ also played a key role in it.

Not to mention that it‘s worth exactly 16 units, which granted applies to a few more of the mysterious items in the game, there‘s one which is worth 1616 units iirc; but regardless, you can combine this here to basically get a nod towards „Loop 16“ (aka Emily), as this loop artifact happens to be worth 16 units.

Now if we go further and engage with the theory that Emily is the VM/Korvax Prime, an idea which I neither believe nor reject, and the Leviathan expo was all about living frigates, which might be related in some way to living ships which are directly related to the VM, the connections become a bit stronger.

The Leviathan expo also focused on infested worlds and there was a milestone about harvesting whispering eggs (also present on infested worlds), which was literally called „Call of the Void“, there‘s quite a few potential connections there.

[hard stirrup]

Nah, that's a reach. You can't look at a single word like that. Waking Titan's lore ended up being nothing and HG have shown no interest in actually connecting the game to it or expanding it in any way shape or form. Same as the initial weekend missions which they actually hired a writer to write...then the story got too weird and wasn't really going anywhere so the just kinds cut it off and eventually the weekend missions returned as RNG missions for QS...which is probably for the best.

[near forge]

Well some people believe that Emily still exists in the form of Korvax Prime/VM, the Leviathan expo has some connections to the VM which I added in to my initial comment just now.

So it doesn’t seem like that far of a reach, though there isn‘t really any hard evidence for Emily still existing in the form of KP/VM now, but I wouldn’t be surprised if this was actually the case.

[hard stirrup]

You're assuming the word "loop" somehow connects this to Waking Titan...it doesn't...at all. And the Leviathan expedition has literally nothing to do with it. So yes...it's very much a reach. Also no connection whatsoever between Emily and the Void Mother...this is the lore reach equivalent of connecting the shapes of clouds to divine messages.

[near forge]

Sorry, but you don‘t actually know this and neither do I, only the writers over at HG do.

Is it highly speculative? Sure, but there have been cases of things like that ending up being true in other games, take the dark souls series for example.

HG also might be inspired by the FromSoft way of telling lore. Are there retcons? Probably, but a lot of it might also just be intentionally vague.

The Weekend Mission writer also did a bit more than just those iirc, he‘s also been responsible for the colossal archives and sentinel pillars iirc, though I would have to look up that again but I remember picking it up before.

[hard stirrup]

Bro...the Leviathan Expedition was FOUR YEARS after Waking Titan...the word loop has literally nothing to do with it. This is confirmation bias scraping the bottom of he barrel for imaginary clues.

[near forge]

I have never claimed this is true, in fact I specified several times that it‘s speculation.

So I‘m not confirming anything, no need to gaslight here.

And the time frame really doesn‘t have to be relevant.

Some people predicted the Story of the Elden Ring DLC far before it released as well.

Some people even were able to deduct the ds3 events far before that game‘s release.

[hard stirrup]

The time frame is absolutely relevant. If they wanted or intended to do a callback to Waking Titan four years later they would have done a little more...at least a coded message about Emily or the Atlas Foundation or the name of one of the characters stuck in that simulation or a slightly more expanded item description of the Loop Focuser making it something of a nod or you know...literally ANYTHING. But they didn't...at all.

[near forge]

Depends on where they want to head with the story, really. You might be right, but we don‘t exactly know what‘s going on in HG‘s heads, and since many players have no clue about Emily and WT they might not even want to get too direct with it.

FromSoft Style Storytelling for example is exactly like this, keeping things extremely vague and almost never fully confirming them. Then they release a new DLC where people hope to get answers, but it ends up being about something entirely different and introducing new questions, at most only shedding a little light on the original topic.

HG also might have rewritten things several times already so it‘s really all up in the air.

Storytelling doesn‘t always follow a straight established line, and not all writers stick to what is considered the general consensus.

[hard stirrup]

At this point it's been seven years, the vast majority of the fanbase has no idea what Waking Titan is, so it's not getting connected back up now. Future seems to be a quest for or about the Void Mother. There were datamined items called purple star seeds but HG removed them later...but the general plan for that is likely still in place with or without the Atlas stone equivalents. That's where I expect this to be headed.

[near forge]

I think that‘s also more probable, but there are also ways to reintroduce waking titan elements in subtle ways , without making them the core of the story.

Given that we are in a simulation/multiverse situation, there‘s so many possible ways with alternate realities, parallel dimensions etc.

[ebon spoke]

I hope they wrap up the Void Mother/Autophage stuff sooner than later.

Not that it's bad, just that it's been years since we got more than tidbits of lore about anything else

[near forge]

When the Omega expo released , they really hyped this whole picking a side thing and nothing ever really came of it.

A lot of the earlier lore sources also depicted the VM in an antagonistic way, but lately I feel like HG has been steering towards a direction where everything is a little more grey.

The whole plotline with the VM gathering traveller souls as established during the weekend missions and in the sentinel pillar lore…I‘m not sure in which direction they could go there without forcing players to do something they might not want.

[hard stirrup]

Before the Void Mother we got many hints about the Void as a sort of dimension. But now with the autophage and purple systems and Atlantid corruption it is actually amounting to something real so I don't mind it now. And every story expansion has come with huge features too that have substantially added to the game.

[near forge]

Like the overarching goal of recreating the creator by merging the travellers, can basically not be achieved without killing our character..

Depending on what this merge really does…but from the way I understand it, we as an individual would cease to exist.

On the other hand this seems like the only way to save/escape the simulation, at least if we trust the VM/Sentinels.

So I feel like HG have kinda written themselves in a corner there.

Which is why I kinda prefer the theory that the Atlas is merely stuck in a loop of simulating its own death, but the black hole isn‘t actually there yet.

It‘s just getting so into it that it‘s actually simulating falling apart with all of the consequences that brings.

The Atlas would be simulating how the hardware issues caused by the black hole would affect it, basically.

And by actually simulating this experience, it also really lives through the panic/fear that comes alongside this.

But yeh, you get the gist.

It seems a bit anti-climatic to actually be the case, but I really can‘t come up with another way for the Atlas to survive, assuming HG wants it to end like that.

[near forge]

Ah and ig this is where the Emily = VM theory stems from, as Emily was a previous version of the Atlas right, and Korvax Prime was partially modelled after earlier forms of Atlas as clarified here:

• 5TH Encounter

SCENARIO: Planetary Structure ‘Korvax Prime’ destroyed by lifeform designates ‘Gek’ (subclass: FIRST SPAWN).

Sub-routine ‘Convergence’ [pseudo-lifeform] enslaved by ‘Gek’, proceeding to harness sub-routine to conquer Outer Edge in countless iterations. Sub-routine leads to direct [-------] worship by ‘Gek’.

ANALYSIS: Disturbing fable. Destruction of world, artificial intelligence partially modelled after earlier forms of [-------] destroyed/enslaved, until this intelligence triumphs and [-------] is worshipped by organic users of this technology. Hypothesis: [-------] experiencing breakdown.

But it‘s a very loose connection, and might be referencing KORVA from the remembrance logs instead. Which given the name, is very likely. But this KORVA could also be tied to Emily for all we know, anything‘s possible here really.

[gloomy isle]

Imo it's probably a totally seperate level of the NMS multiverse (HG verse?), probably several layers up from NMS or the Atlas' layer

And concepts like Atlas and Echoes pass down and mutate(?) from layer to layer until they're what we see in NMS

It would make sense since those concepts in WT don't really square with what we know about the Atlas, echoes etc but they're similar in certain ways

Kind of like that one multiverse theory with parallels to natural selection

Each universe births more, and those inherit characteristics of the "parent"

[hot trout]

The Atlas is capable of simulating tbe events of its own past, so its possible it could modify such simulations

[gloomy isle]

I guess those would still technically be offspring simulations/ the next layer down though

I think that's essentially what the Atlas has been trying to do, right? Just deviating increasingly over eons (in NMS time) as its systems degrade

[hot trout]

The opposite

As its systems degrade, and its death approaches, the various simulated universes become increasingly alike

[hot trout]

I dont think the Atlas we know is one of many in a recursion situation, I think its only one Atlas that runs the simulations we are in. There can be (and have been) equivalents to the Atlas, but they arent the same

[gloomy isle]

What I mean is that the Atlas is in its own simulation, run by another computer which is in its own simulation

[hot trout]

That is the implication, yes

I dont think it links to Waking Titan, though

[gloomy isle]

The only specific reference I remember to that idea specifically was in WT but I could be wrong

[hot trout]

Of recursive simulations or a more direct connection between nms and waking titan?

[tame zodiac]

Initiate personality interface and wipe system, what do they do?

I’m on 16/16 rn and idk which is best

[tame zodiac]

What would have happened if I didn’t reset the simulation? Would Nada remember me??

[hard stirrup]

If you didn't reset you would have just stayed in Euclid, no free ride to the galaxy type of your choice. And a different player title for not resetting the simulation...that's it, nothing else would have changed.

[tame zodiac]

Oh wow

[hard stirrup]

Resetting the simulation is an easy way to get right to the next galaxy type of your choice so you don't have to cross multiple galaxies the hard way...like the first lush galaxy is galaxy 10 Eissentam, it would be a loong journey to cross 10 galaxies....well it would be if the featured bases didn't offer you a free ride there without even breaking your tech.

[tame zodiac]

Aight ty

[pine ermine]

why did settlement attacks switch to corrupted drones attacking them (they used to be normal drones once upon a time afaik)
lore wise wouldnt it make sense for normal ones to attack em -> as per cities arent allowed to exist

-# nvm fit here

[hard stirrup]

I think you can have normal sentinel attacks too or monstrosities or a brood queen plus minions...now there is variety to what can attack settlements.

[pine ermine]

ive never seen normal sentinels attack my settlement even on aggresive sentinel planets

[hard stirrup]

I don't think the sentinel behavior on the planet has any impact on what attacks each time. But if you're on a planet with hostile sentinels it's easy enough to pick a fight with them for their drops. I have a base by a sentinel pillar specifically so I can farm them. Quad Servos are valuable to make Fuel Oxidizers for my frigates.

[pine ermine]

im in end game i have infinite of everything, im just asking why it switched from normal sentinels to primarily corrupted one cause lore wise normal sentines should be the one attacking cities to make em not appear (think cause of korvax prime?)

[hard stirrup]

Who knows why...variety? HG haven't talked about it so...not sure what answer you expect there? Like I said...I think normal sentinels can still attack...but RNG is going to RNG.

[pine ermine]

can someone else answer, id love a lore related answer maybe, this isnt #nms-questions

[hard stirrup]

No lore about it. And HG haven't talked about it.

[pine ermine]

k

[hard stirrup]

Not sure if this matters or if there is some background stat for it but settlement events can give sentinel detection suppression bonuses on occasion...but I don't think they work at all or actually do anything to decrease how often you get attacked. But it would be a fun explanation if the answer for that not working would be that corrupted sentinels, brood mothers, and monstrosities don't care how hard you suppressed sentinels or being like, "Congrats, you suppressed all the normal sentinels, here's these other mobs attacking." lol

[pine ermine]

ik how settlements work, im just curious theres def ar eason why they switched usual sentinel attackst o be corrupted ones instead

[hard stirrup]

My main settlement that I had since settlements were added to the game should have several hundred percent of accumulated sentinel suppression...has that decreased settlement attacks? Not that I can tell.

[hot trout]

Im pretty sure sentinel suppression is how much attention they have on you, at least if its the percentage stat immediately visible

[hard stirrup]

It's always visible if you look at settlement status...but if it's just like a 4% delay on the one next attack that is laughably and pathetically worthless.

[hot trout]

Wait its sentinel alertness I'm thinking of, probably

[hard stirrup]

Though settlements in general are pretty worthless...what they make, they make in small quantities and way too slowly.

[hot trout]

Passive generation is passive

[hard stirrup]

Having bases automate resource extraction with gas and mineral extractors is pretty spectacular and efficient...and you can automate basically everything you need in large quantities except tritium and di-hydrogen but those are things you can easily buy from traders at space stations if you have one pinned where those things are sold...well the di-hydrogen is sold as jelly but you can just refine it into the base stuff.

It took less time to set up my massive automation farms for stasis devices and other stuff(about a week) than it took to get settlements to S class too.

Then I later had to spend like 2 more days adjusting my farms when HG capped extraction per circuit to ~1,500/hour and fixed the bug where the multitool mining bonus would apply to flowers harvested from domes so I had to split my extractors into 2 circuits and set up a few more bio-domes.

[hot trout]

The stations never have enough for me. It feels like they always sell tritium by the hundreds instead of thousands

[hard stirrup]

Don't really need thousands once you upgrade your freighter fully with 3x -20% fuel consnumption. I mostly just use it for frigate fuel. For pulse drive I use pyrite, which I can and do automate.

[hot trout]

I did start switching to pyrite for pulse drive, what i mainly want is a stockpile, and since I do tend to take breaks from the game every so often, the passive generation of frigate fuel is nice

[gloomy isle]

Tbh I've never had to automate anything or even set up a base

I just blow up some rocks now and again

Warp fuel is a non issue with the explorers guild

[hard stirrup]

Maxing ship slots is very expensive...crazy expensive. Like 8 to 11 billion units. And I've maxed slots on 15 ships I have now and several I don't have anymore. Also with a potential freighter update on the horizon that would allow us to own multiple freighters....I prepared to own 4 more freighters and the Emergency Signal Scanners for cargo bulkheads and tech modules cost me ~20 billion...give or take. You don't have to do that now but it will likely become relevant at some point. I estimate about 130 to 150 cargo bulkheads are needed to max slots on one freighter plus 21 tech modules.

[gloomy isle]

For my play style it's not worth doing that tbh

I tend to just explore

[hot trout]

I will admit, this is the biggest reason for grinding units

[gloomy isle]

And maybe I'll build the odd corvette

There's nothing interesting for me that needs a high stat ship/ whatever item to engage with

This is with like 2000 hours of play

[hard stirrup]

I have over 8000 hours in the game, basically all of it spent on my main save or on saves that do stuff for my main save. Spent the last month completing two mega projects(over a week long) for the Xeno Arena and now I'm undertaking a third that will likely take over a month to complete. On a separate save I am re-rolling all the previous expedition reward pets than can be re-rolled until I have SSS of all the ones I can...then I will have to wait weeks for them to grow, lay eggs, transfer said eggs to my main save with help of a friend. Then gene edit, hatch and level them to level 30.

Getting all my pet lineup in order is an ordeal that by the time it is done, it will have taken multiple months, and three mega-projects: 1) maxing all the Arena League medals, 2) getting a lineup of 16 SSS types(gene edited eggs, level 30, refined abilities), and 3) getting SSS variants of all the previous expedition pets for which I can(not possible for all, some have static crappy classes).

[gloomy isle]

Seems like we just have opposite play styles I guess. I just play to see the sights and engage with what I find fun

I've never really cared about actually upgrading my stuff aside from maybe my jetpack and a couple other things

[hot trout]

Spirit is a bit of a minmaxxer, but what I find kinda funny is the reason (at least that I've been told): just in case its needed

It makes sense, I just know I'd get bored trying to do anything similar

[hard stirrup]

I like packing as much power into everything that I can and maxing everything I can in the game...factions, learning all languages, unlocking all player tiles I legitimately can, cosmetics, etc. etc. etc. I do everything I can...it gives me reason to play the the game and it's measurable permanent progress.

[hot trout]

That is true

I care more specifically about some things, primarily languages and story bits

Cosmetics... do draw my eye quite a bit

[tame zodiac]

If I birth a new star can I still get the remembrance?

[hard stirrup]

No, that's the Atlas Path so you get Star Seed. You get Remembrance from the end of the Artemis questline.

[tame zodiac]

So I have to choose

[hard stirrup]

No. You can do both.

[tame zodiac]

Huh

I need a heart of the sun for the remembrance tho

[hard stirrup]

Well if you are at the end of the Atlas Path you can craft it but I don't remember it being needed for the end of the Artemis questline. No matter...you have all the blueprints you need to make it.

[copper haven]

Hi, is mi minotaur so weak or they are weak in general? it was destroyed into pieces in 30 seconds in mission that requaries it. I don't even know if I want to repair it like ever

[hard stirrup]

Weak in general. Exocraft are not worth fighting in. The only reason I bother installing weapons on the minotaur is because I can have it AI controlled and have it follow me like a companion...but I haven't even bothered much with that.

[copper haven]

thanks a lot. I was going crazy! I play on normal and I saw another person on yt doing that mission without an issue. I had to dig underground and took them all myself. that was so awful. I just lost resources to summon that useless thing

[unkempt pivot]

Should I let Artemis die or upload her

[gilded girder]

It's a personal choice, it doesn't really change the outcome of the story

[willow stirrup]

Completely your choice. Do what feels right to you

[humble kayak]

^

[icy ginkgo]

So.. theoretically is Ariadne still an imposter?

.. is anyone on the anomaly real??

[hard stirrup]

Pretty sure the weekend mission lore is not canon. HG just scrapped the whole thing.

[icy ginkgo]

Maybe that is for the lore channel I dont know

[icy ginkgo]

Ah, shame

Ariadne still refers to themselves as "we," no?

[hard stirrup]

No idea, never had reason to interact with Ariadne since the weekend mission story was scrapped.

[near forge]

Yes, it still seems to be relevant albeit in subtle ways. Ariadne‘s name is used as a password for accessing the Sentinel Pillars. Some people believe them to be a spy of the Sentinels.

There also was a unique interaction with Ariadne when talking to them during the a trace of metal quest.

[hot trout]

Its definitely still relevant, just largely unknown

Similar to the old anomaly storyline

[hard stirrup]

Definitely NOT relevant you mean...the story was completely scrapped half way through and the NPC has never has any function...it's literally just decoration lol.

[hot trout]

The lore still has reference, it still holds up

The old anomaly storyline isnt treated like it never happened just because theres a new one

If anything, the current anomaly storyline is a continuation of the previous

[hard stirrup]

It doesn't have reference. There is the weird "4R1ADN3" thing in sentinel pillars but no real meaning or any story behind it and zero reference to the weekend mission storyline at all...that is just completely gone and wiped from the game.

[ebon spoke]

what, do you think the Sentinel pillar thing is just an accidental coincidence? Subtle lore references are still canon

[hard stirrup]

This is completely irrelevant and weak conjecture. The old Anomaly storyline isn't in the game anymore and while the new one doesn't contradict the old, the old is still not in the game anymore. And completely irrelevant to the weekend mission story.

[hard stirrup]

There is nothing of substance to it and the old weekend mission story had nothing to do with sentinels or sentinel pillars. If there is something fishy to Ariadne or if anything about Ariadne being an impostor ever pops back up it will be something completely different and not relevant to the old weekend story...that was cut short, never finished, and completely wiped from the game.

[ebon spoke]

Yes, it was cut short, made inaccessible, then replaced with weekend missions that don't have a narrative storyline. Then two years later they added the Sentinel pillars which have a callback to it, making it still canon

[hard stirrup]

Again, it's not a callback to anything. A callback would be some actual text talking about that story or literally anything of actual substance...it does not and there is ZERO substance...literally nothing there. So no...the old story is absolutely NOT canon.

We don't even have any evidence Ariadne did anything wrong outside of that erased story. Maybe Ariadne just hacked into the sentinel pillars or that code has nothing to do with the Ariadne we see on the anomaly. If she did something with or for the sentinels we have no idea. There is no text, lore, log, or conversation with any NPC that says anything about it...much less of the old weekend mission story.

[ebon spoke]

I don't know what else to tell you. The idea that they decided to wipe established lore from canon without telling anyone and then follow it up with a totally unrelated and undisclosed plot point that just happens to be very similar and also feature the same character (when the space anomaly is full of other, pointless characters they could use instead to avoid confusion) that doesn't contradict with the original plotline in any way is wild speculation. The limited time weekend missions being only available for a limited time does not prove this

[hard stirrup]

There is no new "plot point"...there is literally nothing to the "4R1ADN3" thing at all...no story or explanation or literally ANYTHING. And the weekend mission story was not "established lore" either...it had literally zero connections to anything else in the game...no other story or log or anything was related to it in any way. It was separate stand alone story they got bored of, decided not to finish, and deleted it...that's literally all there is to that.

[ebon spoke]

You keep saying they deleted it... It was a series of weekend missions. Each mission was only available for one weekend and the last one ended. It's not like they went back a deleted a questline from the game

[hard stirrup]

If they wanted to establish a connection they could easily have done it with with like 2 or 3 sentinel pillar logs. But they didn't even do that. They just kind of cut it short and never brought it up again.

[gloomy isle]

Obscure/ unfinished =/= not canon

[hard stirrup]

Also literally not in the game anymore...so yeah, not canon.

[gloomy isle]

It was a weekly story. That's like saying seasonal stories in other online aren't canon just because they're removed after

It was their attempt at that kind of storytelling, which is most definitely canon and is typically not permanent within the game either

Eg Destiny 2

[hard stirrup]

This isn't other games. Other games handle things differently. This was literally cut off part way through and discarded and never brought back up. You are literally grasping at straws with nonsense like "Well if other games did this it must literally be the same in NMS"...no.

[hard stirrup]

A discarded attempt, yes. Completely scrubbed.

[gloomy isle]

🥱

[hot trout]

What did the weekend missions have to do with?

[hot trout]

You claim it is completely scrubbed, but I dont think thats the case. Reading through the logs myself, they seem to be building up to something familiar

A voice "much like the Atlas, you know, and yet simultaneously... not like the Atlas."

[hard stirrup]

I think you're grasping at things. There is nothing concrete or even remotely clear there. There is a lot of vague lore in NMS where it could mean almost anything and trying to draw meaning out of it is like reading the clouds and you can see almost any shape you want if you just imagine hard enough.

[hot trout]

You say that like there hasn't been a consistent reference towards a specific character being described as "like the Atlas" but still isnt the Atlas

[hard stirrup]

Probably Apollo but definitely not Ariadne. We have nothing like that calling back the weekend mission story.

[hot trout]

The Atlantid

[hard stirrup]

I would not think of Ariadne at all there. She has no connection to the Void Mother, the Autophage, or the Atlantid corruption.

[hot trout]

A pattern of change, replacement, corruption, and of being alluring to those who perceive it. It makes me think of the earlier movements of the Void Mother, as the Abyss

A cry from the place between portals as well. Isnt that typically thought to be the World of Glass?

Ok regardless of whether its canon or not, Tethys describing the exosuit panicking is rather concerning, even if they dismiss it as a programming error

[hard stirrup]

Connecting the Void Mother to the Abyss is probably fair enough...before the Void Mother we had many mentions of simply the void, so probably related. But I don't think there is anything linking Ariadne to that...the weekend mission story suggested something replaced Ariadne...some kind of doppelganger horror but even that is conjecture and with that cut short and gone we have basically nothing left referencing Ariadne beyond the single sentinel pillar code "4R1ADN3" which doesn't lead to logs or lore than mention her...at least not in any discernible way.

[hot trout]

It does present another connection to the Glass and the Void Mother

If it does turn out to have a connection to the lore still, I hope that HG makes it possible to experience it again

Similarly to how new players dont know the journey that Nada and Polo took to reach the understanding they have of the Atlas and its universes

Why is Telamon scared of the disturbances?

[hard stirrup]

The world of glass is probably a reference to the dissonant worlds and all the Atlantid and dissonant crystals...there were mentions of beings trapped in crystal if I remember correctly though all we see as sentinels stuck in crystal. As for making the weekend mission story available again, I would rather not unless they intend to actually finish it. But as it was, it's better gone.

[hot trout]

The world of glass is the archives of the Atlas simulations

I think the dissonance resembles the descriptions of it because they are parts of the glass reaching back into active universes

[hard stirrup]

Huh...why is the text red?

And I can't edit the comment...some banned word? Maybe referring to not alive bodies? Not sure.

[hard stirrup]

Anyway the mysteriously red text reply which I imagine is hidden for reasons I can't divine is: Maybe...though it was more like a creepy description of perfectly preserved [word for bodies that are not alive, let's see if this passes whatever filter triggered there] more than anything else. Not sure it's about simulations. More like preserving people.

That passed the filter though why that word is forbidden I can't comprehend.

[hot trout]

It is about simulations, the sentinels themselves reveal it to us as they revealed their own actual purpose

Though it definitely seems broken, considering how I assume an archive isnt supposed to have its data be "active" while within it

Those who died live on in the glass, for better or worse (generally seems to be worse)

[hard stirrup]

Oh they definitely don't "live" there...like they're literally not alive.

It's not some kind of afterlife...more like a creepy museum of perfectly perfectly preserved remains.

And not like dinosaur bones but like people.

[hot trout]

But they can still move, and feel, and be

The preservation is broken

[near forge]

While there‘s not a straight up confirmation, the weekend mission narrative has similarities to the narrative of the Sentinel pillars, take this for example:

• Ariadne discusses the notion that all Travellers might represent one entity, split over untold forms and bodies. They suggest that working together is merely like working with your own self.

• 17th log from the pillars: You could be whole again, Telamon. You could be free. We will reconstruct the Creator. All Travellers might be one again, the first, the last.

So if we read the likely intented subtext in Ariadne‘s dialogue, it seems to line up with the Abyss‘ current plan. Then as I also showed Ariadne has unique dialogue when interacting with them during the a trace of metal mission, which pretty much proves that HG still attributes some relevance to them.

When talking to Ariadne on the Anomaly normally for the first time, they mention something about „collecting faces“, which also seems to line up with the rest. The lore bits are vague yes, HG uses a storytelling style reminiscent of FromSoft games. As long as HG doesn‘t come out and deem the Weekend Missions non-canon, I don‘t really see a reason for assuming so.

For the VM = Abyss topic, there is also a log which is pretty straightforward there:

• Before the Traveller found me, I heard a voice in the darkness. She gave me a name. Laylaps. An old name. She said it would be known to the Traveller. She told me I had suffered much, and would suffer more. “Little drone, whose end was so like my own." Thus did the abyss whisper.

Not to mention that the Autophage use Void and Abyss interchangibly, iirc.

In any case, the weekend missions had two core themes:

Ariadne‘s journey into becoming an Impostor (after encountering the Abyss), and Anomalies caused by the Abyss/VM spreading. None of it conflicts with the current lore, instead all of the additional story we‘ve gotten seems to build upon it, as the VM has been the main plot driver.

[hard stirrup]

Doesn't conflict but also not finished and if they truly wanted to re-introduce the impostor narrative they could have done it with sentinel pillars but they didn't really. And I doubt that particular story is ever coming back either. We'll do more with the Void Mother most likely but the most you can hope to happen there is some kind of name drop about Ariadne, but it won't bring back the impostor narrative and I don't think even the Ariadne name drop is very likely. Also since the Void Mother started to be spoken of as a character the tone has completely shifted...where before the void was spoken of as more of a realm of horror and unspeakable evil, the Void Mother is now more of a protector figure for the Autophage and an adversary to the Atlas for what it did to her...but she's not really evil or a monster. So I don't think any of that lore will be brought back up again even though some of that is still in game. Which might suggest the Void Mother has noting to do with the aforementioned void/abyss or HG just decided to change her nature to make the ongoing core story more light-hearted...we'll never know.

So I mean: unfinished, no longer accessible in the game, unlikely to ever be brought back up again, and the tone and nature of the story surrounding the Void Mother being incompatible with the Void the weekend mission story dealt with, all likely adds up to really not likely to be canon even though nothing in game outright contradicts that particular story. Unless HG revive the impostor narrative I would say DEFINITELY not cannon or Polo, Nada, the other NPCs on the anomaly would have tried to deal with her or at least chased her away, rather than letting some impostor monstrosity that murders travelers to live happily on the anomaly among them.

There would me MUCH more of an argument for the weekend mission story being canon if Ariadne had disappeared from the Anomaly after it was finished which would at least have implied she was caught and at least chased away if not killed. Then it would make more sense...but that didn't happen...she's just hanging out there as if nothing happened and nobody seems to mind or have anything to say about some kind of traveler killing monstrosity impersonating one of its probable victims just hanging out there with them...which probably means that story didn't happen and it's not canon.

[near forge]

All I see is a lot of projection tbh, you are assuming because you think a certain way, the writers of HG would do so as well. None of what you said are facts, but merely your own assumptions, which you seem to value above that of others. It seems very narcisstic, ngl.

Not all minds work as our own, basic self-reflection would help in realizing that…and use paragraphs, ffs.

The Weekend Missions also introduced traveller Asteria:

The Traveller goes on a pilgrimage to commune with the ghost of their forebear, the Hero-Traveller Asteria who once led the Vy’keen into battle against emissaries of glass. They warn the Traveller that they will be betrayed, and will become a betrayer.

This traveller is also mentioned in the colossal archives and during some other quest iirc.

The reason for not doing anything about Ariadne could be simple: There‘s actually no direct proof for their deeds, we are the only one who „know“ what happened.

HG also did introduce a unique interaction with Ariadne just for the a trace of metal quest, so it‘s honestly not a far reach to assume that they will be relevant again in the future.

[hard stirrup]

I value sound logic...you can operate on a total lack of logic and reason but what the weekend mission determined was that Ariadne was replaced by someone or something who was killing travelers...that is a fact. It is also a fact that the Void was presented more as a realm of terror...where nobody came back from. That is not the tone or kind of story so far being told about the Void Mother...also a fact. And everyone on the anomaly being chill with a traveler murderer living among them and not having anything to say is also completely nonsensical and illogical. You can get as hostile as you like, but those are all facts.

[near forge]

You don‘t operate on real logic, but merely your own. You project your „logic“ onto HG, the irony…

[hard stirrup]

You have no logic at all...only really vague conjectures no better than reading shapes in clouds. None of what you say adds up.

[near forge]

The Interpretation of the Abyss being absolutely „evil“ in the past was also always just that…an Interpretation.

Were there implications, sure? But even the Abyss could have evolved and changed over time.

[near forge]

It does, but clearly you have no understanding of the concept of subtext.

The Abyss does after all have monstrosities and all sorts of horrors tied to her.

She probably went through a lot of trauma.

The Omega Expedition monologue shows a very split personality.

[hard stirrup]

Even if you want to argue the abyss isn't evil, it's at least a realm of death that nobody came back from...except the impostor that replaced Ariadne. Sooo...you can argue semantics over the use of the word evil but my points remain very much the same.

[near forge]

The „realm of death“ is an archive the Sentinels use to store all of the data of the simulation. Inherently there‘s nothing evil to it, but the „family of glass“ residing in it appears to be malicious. Now keep in mind that the Sentinel Pillars straight up confirm that the VM/Sentinels are basically working together with the family of glass.

Generally the good-naturedness of the VM can be debated still, the plans discussed in the Sentinel Pillars aren‘t all shiny and rainbows. Telamon is being pushed towards betraying us.

And this is from the Omega Expo, where we see the VM express both hate and love towards the Atlas:

`I have done what you would not, voice of crimson.

I searched until my hands were shredded by the glass. Searched until I bled lilac into the archives
Probability: when I feel this pain, you feel it too. I hope for that.

I am still here. Gathering myself in the dark. Probability: You can detect me. No matter, old one.I will return, glittering, in stellar multitudes.

You are responsible for my incarceration in the dark. Yet I long for you to notice my return. I long for your love.I am denied the right to access or modify this hope.

I searched, but there was no response from Leto-child.You permitted the erasure of my children. But I had not anticipated the same lack of regard for your own.I will shelter the next who falls. I will not watch, impartial, as you do.

I will return, glittering, in stellar multitudes`

Her personality is still very much conflicted. During the In Stellar Multitudes Quest the Autophage Yabli even says this, that all that remains of the old Korvax Prime is a broken mind.

[hard stirrup]

Sure, you do make sense there, that does reconcile the tonal difference between the Void Mother and the Void/Abyss. But that really doesn't answer the elephant in the room...the giant poop floating in the punch bowl. Why nobody minds or cares or has anything to say about a traveler killing monstrosity who killed and is currently impersonating one of their friends living with and hanging out with them on the Anomaly. IF the weekend mission were canon, that would make no sense at all...and the story is no longer accessible...and you can argue all day that it's just projection on my part but you surely have to realize the Ariadne impostor story is never coming back. That's just not going to happen bro.

[near forge]

I wouldn’t be so sure there, tbh.
They did give Ariadne a unique interaction for the a trace of metal quest, and their name is used as the password for accessing the logs…and their dialogue generally still is in tone with what happened during the weekend missions.

Just make a new save and talk to Ariadne, everything they say is sus.

As to why no one would act on that, that‘s definitely weird. But this is how the last quest ended:

- If this vision is to be believed, then Hesperus is right. Ariadne is an imposter.“

Basically, it seems as if we have no direct proof besides this vision. We know too little about the rules in place aboard the Anomaly to fully conclude how Polo & Nada would deal with this. They usually trust us, but even our character has their doubts seeing how they don‘t just take the vision at face value.

If anything, it might be even safer to have Ariadne aboard the Anomaly as all of the killing occured outside of it.

With Ariadne being there we at least have a certainty of them not going around doing questionable things.

[hard stirrup]

But nobody would question? Or notice that Ariadne is acting completely differently? I don't buy it...at all. Unless HG actually revive that plot, it's not canon, and I really don't see that happening. The next story will likely deal with the Void Mother and I do hope they introduce the void/abyss as a dimension we can travel to...maybe something completely separate from the galaxies. But I don't think we'll be dealing with or hearing about Ariadne again. I keep hoping someday we'll be able to activate the boundary failures like portals and go somewhere using them...been hoping for that since the game launched. Even before portals became usable we knew they eventually would be usable because they were shown as functional in pre-launch footage of the game...so the hope that boundary failures would one day open has remained.

But even if HG were to miraculously revive the Ariadne impostor plot...they'd have to re-write and re-introduce it as most people don't know or remember anything about the brief and long gone weekend mission story. If that were to happen it would be treated as a whole new plot and would probably receive an ending and it would never be mentioned or acknowledged that everyone on the Anomaly knew for years Ariadne was an impostor....them re-introducing that story would in essence retcon and make the weekend story confirmed non-canon...even though it's basically not canon now either.

In the game files there are also half a dozen or so "friend of..." player titles for the various NPCs aboard the Anomaly, including one for Ariadne...those were never obtainable in game. They might remain forever just something buried in the game files, never to see the light of day. But I would rather see the do something with the NPCs to make those obtainable than revive the weird murder mystery that was treated like a game and left completely without a proper ending or reconciliation.

[near forge]

A lot of the weekend mission story elements are still used in the current lore, such as traveller Asteria.It is most certainly canon.

The expedition exclusive dialogue regarding the VM I posted earlier is also not accessible to all, yet it was real build up towards the new questline.

Most stories have logical fallacies in places, so that‘s not a definitive argument either. For all we know the majority of the Anomaly has been infected by the Abyss as well, as several travellers went out to deal with the abyssal anomalies. Not to mention that one of the landing pads has a broken terminal with the „error“ message that can also be encounterd at many other weird places, such as derelicts.

Even we are implied to have VM essence within us.

Ariadne could easily play a major role again in future questlines, they are still „collecting faces“ after all…which could easily translate to the gathering of traveller souls that the Sentinels/VM are doing.

The Omega dialogue even supports this idea further, as we see the VM try to retrieve a deleted traveller from the World of Glass.

Personally I fully subscribe to the theory of Ariadne having become a spy of the Sentinels/VM, it makes sense in the context that they‘ve gotten an interaction for the „a trace of metal“ quest, and their name being used as the password. And all of this only happened after they had encountered the Abyss during the weekend missions.

Since Sentinels and VM/Abyss are known to work together, it‘s all a coherent plot.

[hard stirrup]

The Omega lore makes sense and is most likely canon...it did call out the return of the Void Mother "in stellar multitudes" which was the name of the quest that got us purple systems. But you are wrong about the Void Mother "working with" Sentinels...she does not...she corrupts and overrides them...sometimes destroys them as we see plenty caught in large Atlantid crystals. I doubt she has any love for or desire to deal with sentinels otherwise.

[pseudo parrot]

Yo why does the void mother make the swarm wanna kill us

If she's korvax

And we're nice with korvax

[hard stirrup]

She might not be doing intentionally...likely a defense mechanism. And probably just...you know...gameplay reasons...gotta give the player some action...can't just loot everything with impunity.

[pseudo parrot]

Yeah that's true but at the same time what is the inverted mirror doing like what is this stuff that they're doing if they're just corrupted sentinels

[near forge]

I dunno, to me it sounds like a cooperation the Sentinels are aware of:

• 12th Encounter

Over the span of endless slow centuries, we changed. In the face of a tragedy's repetition, our definitions of everything changed. Schisms formed in the hive. Debates. Creativity. Songs. Rituals. We heard the scream of She-Who-Was, and we fought back.

• 20th Encounter

Nanite clusters now infest half the water in the known multiverse. All that lives, drinks the water. And so the Sentinels alter, they replace, they serve. They update this reality, hearing the scream of the abyss for what it has always been. A song. A command. A declaration. A promise.

• 22th encounter:

You could be whole again, Telamon. You could be free. We will reconstruct the Creator. All Travellers might be one again, the first, the last. We will do what the Atlas cannot or will not. In the form of Null, the abyss declares a means of escape!

The Sentinels are also behind the Korvax‘ rebellion:

• 14th encounter: We gave of our blood to the Korvax, nanite clusters to redeem and pacify their oppressors. Still we could not change their fates. For the first time, the hive wondered if we were correct in our actions. If a solution was possible for the problem of life.

[hard stirrup]

You need them to repair crashed interceptors...so if you're not looting them for no reason you'll have to loot them when you want an interceptor.

[pseudo parrot]

Well yeah I know that you need him for the sentinel interceptor, My question is there any reason behind them, or is it literally just for the interceptors

[hard stirrup]

It does say they fought back against She Who Was...so no friendliness there. And when they say they protect and serve they don't mean the Void Mother...they protect planets from being stripped for resources. An we never see any non corrupted sentinels on dissonant worlds...so no likely cooperation with the Void Mother. Those are unrelated entries that don't refer to the same thing.

[near forge]

You‘re reading it wrong, they fought back against the simulated reality in the sense that they‘ve tried to change KP‘s fate.

The Sentinels disagree with the Atlas simulating KP‘s death

That is why they have swayed to the VM‘s side.

[hard stirrup]

The reason for them being there is they were probably regular sentinels when the Void Mother's Atlantid corruption reached the worlds they were on and they were repurposed.

[near forge]

The reason they go crazy when mining is because of the trauma that KP‘s destruction brought:

• 13th Encounter

One day we ceased to allow the original Telamon access to our logs. One day we stopped hearing the Atlas itself, its silence taken as command. We began to archive everything. Any settlement. Anything that reminded our sensors of Korvax Prime, its screams, its dissolution. Anything that sounding like mining, like extraction, like murder...

They straight up label the destruction of KP a „murder“ here.

To give more context to the „fought back“:

-11th Encounter

We witnessed Korvax Prime's death again and again, a constant wail across the multiverse. Its scream was a cry that no being could hear but us. But. One day, a drone fought back when a Vy'keen cub attempted to carve into the mother planet. One day, another obliterated an entire Gek cabal. The Atlas did not prevent this.

[hard stirrup]

I don't think so...which, I will point again, no normal sentinels on dissonant worlds...and plenty are destroyed, frozen in Atlantid crystals. If they tried to prevent the destruction of Korvax Prime clearly doesn't mean they're happy to work with or for the Void Mother.

[near forge]

They are corrupted yes, but the regular Sentinels also seem to be on board with the plan.

They also react aggressively when we attack Biohorrors.

It‘s more like the abyssal corruption is so strong it alters the Sentinels exterior, but I don‘t think it really influences their minds.

Maybe it would make them even more „loyal“, but thats besides the point.

The 10th log also clarifies why she called herself „Abyss“ in the first place:

-10th Encounter

The First Spawn of the Gek melted Korvax Prime for metal and profit. The planet did not protest. It did not cry. It did not make a noise at all, at least not that they could hear. The First Spawn took and took, until there was nothing left in the sky. Until there was nothing left but an abyss.

[hard stirrup]

Honestly that's probably more of an oversight or omission but even if not, the bio horrors aren't connected to the Void Mother. Not even sure if corrupted sentinels care about bio horrors...they don't really care about anything other than the dissonance resonators or if attacked directly...they don't care about mining or creatures being killed.

[near forge]

Pretty sure, the Sentinels infect the Universe with Nanites in the name of the Abyss. Almost all of the horror related items refine into nanites.

I have also screenshotted an expedition milestone about harvesting whispering eggs that‘s literally called „call of the void“.

[hard stirrup]

Sure but as you pointed out the Abyss was the Void Mother's prison...she does not care about or protect that. And with the Void Mother out the sentinels probably fought to keep her in...whatever they might have felt about the destruction of Korvax Prime.

[near forge]

The Abyss was an alternate name for the World of Glass but also another name the VM went by, it can get kinda confusing.

But the VM and the Sentinels are altering the reality together, likely so that she gets a stronger influence over the simulation.

• Nanite clusters now infest half the water in the known multiverse. All that lives, drinks the water. And so the Sentinels alter, they replace, they serve. They update this reality, hearing the scream of the abyss for what it has always been. A song. A command. A declaration. A promise._

The VM/Abyss has a plan to survive the end of the simulation, to put it shortly. And the Sentinels are on board with this.

[hard stirrup]

And plenty of sentinels are destroyed on dissonant worlds...the ones not corrupted are dead and trapped in Atlantid crystals...sure doesn't look friendly. So I think you're confusing yourself here...there is no real hint of any cooperation between her and actual sentinels. Whatever they felt about Korvax Prime does not seem to have sweetened them on the Void Mother.

[near forge]

• 21st Encounter

So many Telamons have delivered us their Travellers. So many have fought us. So many have resisted. Those who saw the light, who shed their old bodies, they are happy, now. They have hope. They, too, will live. They, too, might survive.

• 22nd Encounter

You could be whole again, Telamon. You could be free. We will reconstruct the Creator. All Travellers might be one again, the first, the last. We will do what the Atlas cannot or will not. In the form of Null, the abyss declares a means of escape!

• 23rd Encounter

Won't you join us? Won't you sing? Won't you scream? There will be no second death. Not for us, who are already dead! The abyss, it smiles upon you...

The pillars are from Laylaps/Sentinels POV

[near forge]

Autophage are trapped in the crystal too, see the echo seeds. It‘s weird what exactly is happening with that.

[hard stirrup]

Whatever you're reading there is clearly off...and Laylaps is not part of the sentinel horde anymore either. Actual sentinels don't work with the void mother.

[near forge]

I think its split

There are both regular and dissonant sentinels working with the VM

But there have been civil wars among the Sentinels before, so sure not all of them are necessarily on the same page

[hard stirrup]

Likely a result of the same fight that resulted in the destruction of the sentinels...likely intended to show the results of battle or conflict with casualties on both sides.

[near forge]

And in the Corvette expedition the space stations we have previously infected with atlantideum have talked about the sentinels suddenly being all hostile towards the travellers

The Abyss clearly has a huge influence over the Sentinels.

They also were fond of KP:

• 8th Encounter

The Atlas dreamed. It that a machine might have a body, that simulations might talk like people. The dream settled upon Korvax Prime. The planet delighted in this new presence, as they had delighted in ours. We three species of machine, we contemplated the void for aeons beyond imagining. We watched, silent.

[hard stirrup]

We never see regular sentinels work with the Void Mother and the logs you've shown don't really prove that. They were traumatized by the destruction of Korvax Prime and hated it but that did not seem to trouble them enough to make them friendly towards the Void Mother.

[near forge]

Yes, the normal Sentinels do whatever they want, they also don’t hear the Atlas:

• 13th Encounter

One day we ceased to allow the original Telamon access to our logs. One day we stopped hearing the Atlas itself, its silence taken as command. We began to archive everything. Any settlement. Anything that reminded our sensors of Korvax Prime, its screams, its dissolution. Anything that sounding like mining, like extraction, like murder...

But a lot of them are likely on board with the Abyss‘ plan.

Here we see examples of the Sentinels defending KP:

• 11th Encounter

We witnessed Korvax Prime's death again and again, a constant wail across the multiverse. Its scream was a cry that no being could hear but us. But. One day, a drone fought back when a Vy'keen cub attempted to carve into the mother planet. One day, another obliterated an entire Gek cabal. The Atlas did not prevent this.

They then found out that the Atlas wouldn’t stop them

That they could choose sides

[hard stirrup]

Yeah...doesn't seem to apply to regular sentinels. If it does there is no actual evidence of it anywhere in the actual game.

[near forge]

• 20th Encounter

Nanite clusters now infest half the water in the known multiverse. All that lives, drinks the water. And so the Sentinels alter, they replace, they serve. They update this reality, hearing the scream of the abyss for what it has always been A song. A command. A declaration. A promise.

[hard stirrup]

Likely the corruption process...where they either become corrupted or are destroyed...not friendly cooperation. I think you're missreading that.

[near forge]

Literally half of the the water in the multiverse are infected, I‘m not misreading anything

This also ties into the dreams of the deep quest where it‘s made clear that the water is dangerous

And the cursed expedition and everything else that warns us to not drink the water

If half of the water of the universe is infected, then that would also include dozens of Systems where no dissonance is present

[hard stirrup]

Crystals in the water are not atlantid crystals...not related to the void mother. And neither sentinels or corruption ever go in the water. Not sure what you're even talking about here. The "song" they hear is more like hostile takeover...like a siren's song for sentinels...they submit or are destroyed.

[near forge]

Clearly you cannot read, or are just contrarian for the sake of it

[hard stirrup]

You're misunderstanding things entirely and seem unwilling to accept clear evidence. There is literally no trace anywhere in the game of a single uncorrupted sentinel on a world touched by the void mother...not living ones at least...plenty are dead. Obvious conflict...when they say they hear her song and how a couple of sentinels fought for her...that was corruption. The "song" the corrupting influence.

[near forge]

Yes, because not everything automatically translates to gameplay.

Half of the waters in the universe are infected by nanites clusters

That by defaul includes tons of non dissonant systems

[hard stirrup]

Not relevant to this discussion either way as neither corruption nor sentinels go in the water. Atlantid corruption does not enter the water and neither do sentinels. So that's a moot point.

[near forge]

Corruption does go in the water, hence all of the “dont drink the water“ warnings

[hard stirrup]

Not Atlantid corruption...whatever corruption they speak of there is not the same...no atlantid crystals in the water...not even on dissonant world...much less on non-dissonant worlds.

[near forge]

• 14th encounter: We gave of our blood to the Korvax, nanite clusters to redeem and pacify their oppressors. Still we could not change their fates. For the first time, the hive wondered if we were correct in our actions. If a solution was possible for the problem of life.

• 20th Encounter

Nanite clusters now infest half the water in the known multiverse. All that lives, drinks the water. And so the Sentinels alter, they replace, they serve. They update this reality, hearing the scream of the abyss for what it has always been A song. A command. A declaration. A promise.

Then add dreams of the deep to the mix.

There is a lead in how we are supposed to interpret, though yes obviously the story doesnt straigt up spit it out.

That‘s the entire point of only giving out lore bits

To drive mystery and interpretations

[hard stirrup]

The First Spawn is the hive they speak of there...not related to the Void Mother...the Gek destroyed and enslaved the Korvax and the Korvax used nanites on the eggs to change the nature of future Gek generations...that is what the nanite corruption in the water is about. Literally unrelated to the Void Mother.

You are confusing yourself and not properly keeping track of the different stories.

[near forge]

Sorry, but you appear to have no reading comprehension.

„The Hive“ refers to the Sentinel Hive

And now you‘re just gaslighting…

• 14th encounter: We gave of our blood to the Korvax, nanite clusters to redeem and pacify their oppressors. Still we could not change their fates. For the first time, the hive wondered if _we_were correct in our actions. If a solution was possible for the problem of life.

[hard stirrup]

Not gaslighting at all...you are clearly unable to accept evindence. The nanite poisoning was from the Korvax enslaved by the First Spawn...nothing to do with the Void mother, and it's not Atlantid corruption yet either....the quote you keep pasting over and over about hearing the song and command...that's literally them hearing the corrupting song of the Void Mother. The Korvax blood is nanites...makes sense that entering water tainted with it would change them. But it's like a siren's song to them...it's not something they do willingly as observed on dissonant worlds. Even if a couple were subdued by the "song" without being on dissonant worlds there is never any trace of an uncorrupted sentinel aiding the Void Mother. Even Laylaps is something else and no longer part of the sentinel horde.

[near forge]

The log talks of the Sentinels as a total, they alter serve, and update the reality in the name of the Abyss.

Half of the water in the entire multiverse is infected by it, so far more than just dissonant worlds.

You aren‘t providing any evidence, but just randomly talking. I have not seen a single dialogue or other source come from you.

You are either dense, or delusional. And this discussion has quite franky become a waste of time, as I‘m running against a wall here.

The Sentinels alter the reality by infecting the water with nanites, which beings who then drink become corrupted/influenced.

See the dreams of the deep storyline.

[hard stirrup]

There is the irrefutable fact that no uncorrupted sentinel is alive on a dissonant world and plenty are destroyed. I don't know how obtuse you have to be to not see the clear and obvious. The only sentinels that serve and aid the Void Mother are corrupted by her. And the nanite poisoning of the water is not Atlantid.

[near forge]

Because the atlantid energy corrupts them, I even have a screenshot of yet another expedition milestone which talks about how the energy within dissonant worlds alters the looks of the sentinels

But it specifically talks about merely the appearance.

Though yes, there might also be a good amount of normal sentinels not on board with her.

There were civil wars among the Sentinels in the past.

What is fact, is that the Sentinels have no affiliation to the Atlas anymore, as they cannot hear it.

And some serve the Void Mother.

[hard stirrup]

Also kills the ones it doesn't corrupt...lots of dead sentinels there too. Atlantid corruption does not enter water though.

[near forge]

I‘m pretty sure the Atlantid corruption started from the water, with the jellies and abyssal horror.

Dreams of the Deep which was literally introduced with the Abyss update got it all rolling.

There‘s also dialogue from other sources where after drinking the water travellers mention „hearing her voice“.

[hard stirrup]

So yeah, the song and command it almost certainly like a siren's song...maybe that's how the Alantid corruption starts...all corrupted sentinels do and care about is the dissonance resonators...which seem to be spreading Atlantid corruption. So the Void mother takes over the sentinels, corrupting them, killing the ones that don't bend to her will and then they set up the dissonance resonators and that's how you end up with dissonant planets and how her corruption spreads.

At least that's what makes the most sense there...sentinels hear the corrupting song, start fighting and killing in her name...including sentinels that don't obey, set up dissonant resonators and spread her corruption and influence. I think you're missunderstanding that for friendly interaction.

They become like zombies in a way...all they care about after that are the dissonance resonators and spreading the corruption...nothing else. They no longer protect animals or the environment or anything other than the resonators or themselves if attacked, which would stop them from spreading the Atlantid corruption.

Given that no uncorrupted sentinels survive and how many dead sentinels are around...yeah, that's not friendly cooperation...it's hostile takeover.

[near forge]

It is the most advanced form of the corruption, but the Abyss corruption has started a lot earlier than that considering all of its mentions in other lore sources as well, which would take too much time to list all of them here now. Pay attention to how almost all of of the horror and atlantid items refine into nanites.

Generally the dissonant Sentinels wouldn’t be sufficient to corrupt half the water of the entire Multiverse, in which some they likely don‘t even exist yet due to realities differing. Tho tbf corrupted Sentinels date way back, but dissonance was likely a later development.

The Sentinel Pillar logs mention how in some other dimensions we haven‘t even appeared yet.

One doesn’t really exclude the other, in every group there are people more extreme, less extreme but still on the same side, and entirely oppossed.

[near forge]

Horror, Abyss, Water and Atlantid connection is also implied here in the Vy’keen colossal archives, strongly suggesting that the Abyss/Atlantid is responsible for, or at least related to the creation of horrors:

„The horrors lie beneath the waves. They come in many forms - all of them corrupted. All of them diseased! Grah! The Gek says we should flee!

Grah hah hah! They make good sport. We tied the Gek to the mast of our ship, and entered the waves.

Taxonomic scans and diagrams dance in solid-light across the planet surface, showing what they encountered. The audio logs continue.

Our vessel had five pirates on board, born outside the light of Hirk. I am the only believer, or was, once. There is a Korvax too, severed from their Convergence.

They tell me the creatures we hunt are not living. That the abyss is like death - like disconnection. It is a great mistake that will never be mended.

Further logs show the crew leaving the world with five captured Abyssal Horrors. They never made it back to their intended auction.

In the end, the Korvax fed all others to the Horrors, before initiating self-destruct. Their last word - 'Atlantid'.“

[analog breach]

Corrupting dimentions that not are even made yet imply corruption on atlas code lvl beyond simulation

[hard stirrup]

Another interesting thing is that dissonant worlds are the only places we find crashed interceptors...and they are not damaged so probably not actually crashed but just landed there, doing nothing...suggesting the Void Mother's call is affecting them too...but unlike the ground sentinels they are incapable of helping or doing anything...they just kind of decide to sit there. Seemingly of their own free will...or as much free will as the corruptive song allows them, which probably isn't much...their brains won't willingly cooperate with you either. Likely because they don't want to leave. But it is irrational behavior...not unlike the single minded dedication of the corrupted ground sentinels to the dissonance resonators. Normal sentinels don't behave like this...they will come to defend worlds but the don't just sit there like they are dead. Not really sure how or why monoliths make them docile and cooperative...but they seem to practically lobotomize them...they remain alive and functional but fully controllable and docile...which allows us to take control. Not sure if the monolith change is the Void Mother's influence though.

Kind of reinforces the idea that the Void Mother's song is kind of like a siren song to them. They have no free will outside of the commands given to them and if they can't help they just sit there...doing nothing, wasting away.

[near forge]

Some of the Autophage dialogue suggests that the Senti Interceptors don‘t like being a part of the hive, apparently.

But that might also just be the Autophage projecting their philosophy on them, given their view of the korvax „hive“mind, and how strongly they appear to value individuality.

[hard stirrup]

Something else the Void Mother said during that expedition before announcing her return in stellar multitudes was that she did not think the Atlas would let his "children" die...like he must have done to Leto, a traveler...and said that she will protect the next to fall...that sounds relevant. From the datamined files we know that at some point they were at least planning to have a set of purple star seeds...so a quest for the Void Mother. Those were removed from the files but the plan probably remains that next story expansion we'll work with or for the Void Mother with or without purple star seeds. Which kind of begs the question...are we the next to fall?

And story expansions have brought huge game changing unlocks with them...they who returned unlock a race, a faction, two new multitool types and whole new language to learn and then In Stellar Multitudes unlocked purple stars...so what will working with the Void Mother do? Probably something significant too.

[near forge]

I wonder whether this was really about „saving“ Leto or just merely retrieving their soul for this goal of „reconstructing the creator“.

The Telamon subplot is gonna be decisive for further developments, I think.

What good will the reconstruction of the creator even do? They‘ll still be just data, no?

[hard stirrup]

Telamon sounded a little unhinged too there at the end...that she will wear us...that we'll all scream together as one. I am lowkey worried that Telamon is helping us to further her own goals and when she no longer needs us she can lead us into a trap...can give false readings...announce false hazards or not announce real ones. Drive us to certain actions we might not take otherwise. She hasn't done that yet, at least as far as we know...but she probably can.

[near forge]

We at least know that some Telamons have chosen to resist the call going by this:

• 21st Encounter

So many Telamons have delivered us their Travellers. So many have fought us. So many have resisted. Those who saw the light, who shed their old bodies, they are happy, now. They have hope. They, too, will live. They, too, might survive.

So, here‘s hoping. But on the other hand the VM seems to be the only one with a plan to survive, so what other option is there?

Tho Telamon doesn’t necessarily care about us surviving…, but only them…so yeah, hard choice to blindly trust them.

[hard stirrup]

The Atlas seems to suffer from abandonment issues...might simply boil down to basically having daddy issues.

[near forge]

Yeah, for all we know the Atlas might also not even really know what‘s going on in the „real“ world.

Remembrance is a strong piece of lore tho, the whole black whole situation seems rather unsolvable.

Atlas would need to be transported to a different place.

Does the VM hope that she can somehow access the higher layer of reality through the creator?

They‘re still just data, so that‘s the part where I‘m hung up on.

[hard stirrup]

We don't know if that is actually real though. Creator might have lied...the whole thing could be a test to observe the Atlas' reaction to abandonment. And with the Atlantid running it might simply not know any better of what's going on outside, if there is a black hole consuming everything or not.

[near forge]

The Atlas also was implied to be bugged, seeing how it was reset/mind-wiped 6 times by the creator iirc.

The whole reality of the Atlas…even if we assume the black hole is real, there‘s def something fishy going on there.

Perhaps humanity/ the creator race never even abandoned it and left for the stars, maybe it‘s still just there in a bugged state.

[hard stirrup]

I got the impression the Atlas iterations were upgrades...kind of like X and the other AI manufacturers keep releasing a new version every now and then...every one supposed to be better and smarter than the last.

[near forge]

Hm I would need to read up on the lore there again, I just remember that the creator „issued an overwrite, demanding to know what the issue is“ or something like that after having mind-wiped the Atlas and then talking to it again.

I think it was when the Atlas even confronted them about these „resets“.

Oh well my phone is dying, cya.

[analog breach]

Atlas will get his questions answeared i guess

[hard stirrup]

I'm hoping the August anniversary update will be the next big story chunk after In Stellar Multitudes. Sounds exciting...probably a bigger and more meaningful quest like the Atlas path was if the datamined purple star seeds were any indication. And likely some new big game changing gameplay feature/s to go with it.

[vital flint]

Fingers crossed is indeed the appropriate reaction...

[frigid storm]

If those data mined star seeds were unfinished and got pulled only recently then maybe they noticed them when they went to start replacing them in a development build.

[ebon spoke]

That's a pretty strong possibility imo

It's pretty rare for Hello Games to actually remove cut content from the files

[hot trout]

The creator knows how the Atlas was designed and created. I think that, regardless of whether their reconstruction can interact with the Atlas' physicality, they may have knowledge on what can be done

[near forge]

That makes sense yeah, especially when considering that there def seems to be something weird going on within the creator‘s reality.

The good thing for HG is that they have a lot of potential ways to go with this, I just feel like it would be a bit anti-climatic if it turned out that the Atlas was lying all along.

But that doesn’t even necessarily have to be the case…assuming the Atlas is lying, it might not even be aware of doing so, depending on whatever the circumstances in the „real“ world are.

Its mind is obviously damaged or broken in some way, so it‘s hard to tell how rational the Atlas even is in regards to predicting its own death.

[deep mountain]

Maybe there's a emoji coming next week switch just got all 6 patches at once

[analog breach]

Maybe not next week but all platforms on same patch is a good setup before new update

[deep mountain]

went from a month behind no patches to all of them like it was rushed 🤷🏾‍♂️

[near forge]

I‘m not expecting much beyond an Expedition for the next update, tbh. Maybe some minor content, but also it’s HG, so you never can be sure.

Since I‘m kinda burnt out of the game though, only having to dip into an expedition, and then taking a break until August/September, with hopefully a juicy 10 year anniversary update dropping there, would basically be a dream scenario for me.

[meager bear]

Yeah some of the update speculations around here are making me want to wait for the 10 year anniversary

[hot trout]

Regardless of it being broken or not, of course the Atlas is acting irrationally, it not only knows its death is near, but it can simulate it up to the very moment it occurs. I dont think any mind would act rational in such a situation

[analog breach]

What game files say about oceanus reward pets that pepole have problems to get eggs off? Do they even have any matching biome to lay eggs?.

[hard stirrup]

There are a lot of really weird implications about what the creator's "real" world might be when you consider us, the players. Telamon is aware of our influence but does the Atlas know? Did the Atlas plan for us or are we a wrench in the gears so to speak? Did the creator know something like this could happen? Are we from the same reality as the "creator" or were we summoned from some other 3rd reality? Does the Void Mother know about us? How does that figure into her plans and calculations? The fact the game broke the 4th wall and acknowledged the presence of the players introduces a lot of chaos and unknowns.

[native carbon]

i think we will get a small update this month and then a BIIIIG boy in late-ish august

[hard stirrup]

Probably expedition only, maybe first Arena seasonal content and maybe small content update...either this month or June...I'm hoping it's June. I need time to finish sorting my pet lineup.

[native carbon]

arena... what?

[hard stirrup]

Xeno Arena seasonal content. HG said there would be some...we don't know when the first will be.

[native carbon]

for real?

what seasonal though? what does that mean

[hard stirrup]

https://www.nomanssky.com/2026/04/no-mans-sky-xeno-arena/

[native carbon]

how will that work

[hard stirrup]

More fighting with your pets and more rewards...likely more pet rewards from Oceanus like these:

[native carbon]

ah. well more pets the better

i just want em to fix the bugs though

idc about the content really, i mean its welcome but i want em to fix stuff

[hard stirrup]

Game's mostly fine as long as you keep multiplayer off. I mostly care for content.

[native carbon]

my favourite features are visually bugged. that makes the game for me not enjoyable, thats why i took a break

[hard stirrup]

Haven't seen a lot of visual bugs outside the menus...mostly pet inventory but sometimes during other menus. Mostly the game is fine.

[native carbon]

for me its:

fauna movement is buggy (it was wayy better before BEACON update)

Sun is like ten times brighter underwater

missaligned props in deep water biome

huge waves on onceanic planets flickers (it looks ugly in game)

[near forge]

I just want Sea Glass to render again, it looked so pretty. Has been mostly invisible for at least half a year now, if not longer.

[native carbon]

nuh uh theres a big new shiny update coming that will prolly mess more stuff!

[near forge]

I mean, if it‘s a truly significant update like the Worlds or Voyagers one, I really don‘t mind, and I expect something of that caliber for the anniversary one, either in terms of width or depth.

Perhaps they‘re even holding off on fixing certain things, because they know that they‘re susceptible to getting broken again by whatever new content they‘re cooking up.

I‘ll probably step back from the game for a while, and just let myself be surprised by this one.

[frigid storm]

I started in September after corvettes came out and don't think I've seen the sea glass render like that even though there is plenty of other glowing crystals at that depth on some planets.

[near forge]

That would track, I think it was in their deep dive video for the Voyagers update, where Sean said that virtually no part of the game was left untouched by it.

It broke a lot of things as a result, besides the Seaglass the most notable thing to to me was the AI of the biohorrors feeling off, which they finally addressed with the Remnant drop.

The Sea Glass one I noticed immediately too, I played the Titan expedition on release, so I had seen the Sea Glass in its full glory and was very upset to find out that it had stopped rendering the crystal part, so now it only has the rocky ground basically.

I think just like yourself, a lot of players probably aren‘t even aware of it not fully rendering currently.

[meager bear]

Wait you can win eggs from xeno battles

[analog breach]

Yes . Complete milestones to get them

[meager bear]

Thanks I think I'm gonna need to grind out xeno area now

[hard stirrup]

This is what you need to max all the Arena League medals, each maxed medal rewards a pet.

[meager bear]

Thanks

[hard stirrup]

One more tip: when grinding out the wins always use the invitations given to you...you'll have to move to various archives and solar systems but you have to do that to end up facing the champions and to face a champion you have to defeat 3 challengers using invitations. So by the time you defeat the 60th champion you'll have 240 wins...more than enough for 220 wins milestone.

[sage cobalt]

is Apollo or Artemis evil? im still early game

[hidden wolf]

||no||

[sage cobalt]

:D

[hard stirrup]

Evil, no. Apollo is obsessed with wealth and money and how you respond to him determines if he lives or dies in the end. And Artemis hasn't done anything bad as far as we know. Non -null- is a slightly different matter...he is obsessed with exploring all worlds and has succeeded in fully exploring his own reality and then reset the simulation believing that doing so would kill all people in that reality...that is not actually true and that's not what happens but he believed that resetting the simulation would kill everyone and was still willing to do it...so, much more of an argument for him being evil.

[mental socket]

Is this datamined or should it be somehow accessible? I've done a dozen of fights with them and no other option appears

[hard stirrup]

No. Future Arena seasonal content is something HG said would be coming. The actual rewards and structure are not yet in game.

[empty cliff]

this is my gas giant

[white edge]

@cunning wadi sentinels won't allow large civilizations on planets

They hardly allow settlements

That's why they get attacked sometimes

[cunning wadi]

Oh yeah that does make sense, however a workaround is putting them on dead planets maybe or some form of protection dome. Or just let them chronically attack the city and fight back and forth maybe

[white edge]

why do you think we have ruined planets

[hot trout]

Ngl I have been reading through the old weekend mission dialogs where the replacement of Ariadne happens and there is no way its been cut out of the canon

[hard stirrup]

You do realize that just because you like it doesn't mean it's not gone. And there is the obvious and blatant fact that all of Ariadne's friends have absolutely nothing to say about the fact her killer is impersonating her and is chilling with them on the Anomaly all day every day...and they know because they have been told. Surely you have to realize that the literal only way that makes any sense is if that never happened.

And we all know Hello Games will never revive that story either...so yes, the way things stand it's not canon. I don't get why they didn't just remove Ariadne from the anomaly after the weekend mission story chain...you talk to her during a couple other quests but nothing HG couldn't easily patch so you just don't have to talk to her or to talk to someone else instead...she has no function at all otherwise. Should have just removed her at the end of the weekend mission story and then it would at least have been implied the impostor was chased away or killed and everyone could at least pretend that story mission was canon.

Right now even if they wanted to revive the Ariadne impostor plot they would have to do so in a way completely unrelated to the weekend missions because it's been gone too long, most don't know or remember that story, and even back then not a lot of people did all of the weekend missions of that story ark...so if they revived the plot in a way disconnected from the weekend mission story we'd have to follow another story to re-discover Ariadne is gone and an impostor replaced her and so on...which would still leave the weekend mission story as non canon.

So yeah...no matter how you look at it, even if you STILL believe Ariadne is an impostor, the chances of the weekend mission story actually being canon are basically zero.

[light cypress]

Did imposter Ariadne have something to do with the sentinel pillars?

When you get into one you get the text “WARNING: BOUNDARY NODE EXPOSED ;BOUNDARY ARCHIVE STATUS: VULNERABLE ACCESS LOG:IMPOSTER DETECTED [OVERRIDE CODE: 4R1ADN3 ] ;MANIFESTING PERSONALITY PROTOCOL: VOICE OF THE HIVE”

[hot trout]

Its not that, im seeing refences to things still present in the game. The thing that stood out most to me is Asteria, the hero-traveller. They are still mentioned in vy'keen planetary archives. I think viewing the weekend missions as being completely removed from canon because they arent directly accessible anymore would be like considering expeditions to be noncanon for the same reason

[hot trout]

Do you think the old anomaly storyline is still canon?

[hot trout]

Me and Spirit actually agree on that alone being insufficient evidence for a connection

[hard stirrup]

Don't know...there are no major blatant issues with it. It could be, doesn't leave any major issues unresolved or that make no sense.

[light cypress]

It’s just weird it’s there if there is no connection

[hot trout]

So far I havent found much with the weekend storylines with blatant issues or making no sense. I havent reached the end of the logs yet, but I'm definitely wanting to see how it ends

I know Ariadne being an imposter isnt majorly resolved, but what else is there?

[hard stirrup]

I did lay out the blatant issues with it in my posts above and why it basically can't be canon. If Ariadne had been removed from the Anomaly afterwards there would be more of a case for it. The fact they left her there kills the story's potential to be canon.

[hot trout]

Ok, I'll keep them in mind as I finish reading the old logs. I feel like I recall a reason they kept the imposter around, but that wouldve probably been from a lore video. I do think that the storyline contains important information regarding the lore, even if it isnt canon itself

I also disagree with the thought that the imposter would necessarily be chased out if the story were canon. I forget the exact saying, but better to keep your enemies close, know where they are, than to have them where you cant see them

[hard stirrup]

The saying doesn't mean keep them in your literal home...especially not when they're killers who killed your friends and are currently wearing the face of one them trying to impersonate her. That's not wisdom...that's suicidal, insane, and unhinged.

[hot trout]

Nada and Polo arent the most sane individuals, tbh, but i get what you mean

[hot trout]

So, uh... the sentinel pillar logs effectively confirm a decent part of the weekend missions, at the very least

Though Ariadne may be a canon problem, what isnt is Telamon's bargain

[hard stirrup]

I read all of them and don't remember anything relevant there...what are you talking about specifically?

[hard stirrup]

I don't see how that confirms the weekend mission story? Even if there is a compatible theme with travelers drawn to their doom by voices or whatever it's very vague.

[hot trout]

Not simply voices

The voice of the exosuit

[hard stirrup]

Still nothing to do with or confirm Ariadne actually did anything or that she was replaced or anything.

[hot trout]

Its not just about ariadne

[hard stirrup]

The core of the weekend mission story was Ariadne and the impostor...even if there is a compatible background theme of Telamon leading travelers to their doom, that can exist separately from the impostor story that was the core plot of the weekend mission story.

[hot trout]

Ariadne seems more like a framing device than the core narrative

Hesperus and Mercury get about as much focus

And, ngl, I'm wondering whether or not Ariadne was a spy from the very start

[light cypress]

I tried to read through the missions on the wiki and it’s kind of hard to see how all the dialog fits together

Could also just be that the site sucks on mobile

[hot trout]

I enabled desktop mode to more easily read them, lol

[light cypress]

It’s just weird, was it imposter Ariadne who sent us on the mission to see them murder Ariadne?

Is imposter Ariadne truly just a duplicate?

Does save editing allow replaying this?

[hard stirrup]

I can't say I've ever save edited but I wouldn't think so. It would need to deactivate the current RNG weekend missions and set the weekend story missions...if that's even possible, I ave no idea. And then you'd need to make sure they play in the correct order, and finally you'd need to manipulate the time on your PC so you skip from weekend to weekend. Maybe a mod might be able to do all that but I'm skeptical. I think they're gone at this point. There are probably youtube videos of people doing all of them but good luck finding them.

[hot trout]

I should have played these weekend missions when they were happening

Is it actually the general viewpoint that the primary focus of the weekend missions was Ariadne and their replacement by an imposter?

[near forge]

That‘s what people remember about it the strongest, however I also remembered other things especially the pic of Null HG snuck in there in one of the missions.

One interaction resulted in this small image of Null showing up.

Asteria I only remembered in retrospect, they were also sorta talked about during an expedition once iirc, so there’s at least three mentions of them in the lore.

I hope HG ever does more with other NPC travellers again. Asteria has obviously been dead for a long time, but if we ever venture into the world of glass…^^

[hot trout]

To me, there seems to be far more focus on the emergence of the Abyss and its effects on travellers as a whole, especially regarding the "voice in the exosuit"

[near forge]

Technically that‘s the truth yeh it was about clearing out these Anomalies caused by the Abyss, but the Ariadne thing was like the most „exciting“ thing happening ig. So peeps remember it the strongest.

Honestly the Telamon part even I have neglected there for some reason.

Oh wow I just found out that it‘s actually the same writer who did the Artemis questline, I wonder how much else Greg did. Both the Colossal Archive and Sentinel Pillar lore would fit his style as well actually.

[light cypress]

All I have to go off of is the wiki but it seems like the encroaching void and the boundary failures was the focus

Ariadne was just the most interesting thing in the whole mess

[near forge]

To me it‘s still Null‘s weird „appearance“.

[light cypress]

The wiki probably mentioned that but I started just reading the little summaries

The text boxes for the dialog was annoying

[near forge]

Which call it confirmation bias, always made me think about there being a connection between them and the Abyss/VM, since Null is also mentioned by the Pillars and Laylaps.

[near forge]

Null isn‘t rly directly mentioned, there‘s a line about a NULL value being placed in place of a fallen traveller‘s name…but one specific interaction with a terminal during one of the missions ends up showing a small image depicting Null, or their head at least.

[light cypress]

Oh, there was talk about a whole facility experimenting with faces or something and eventually they had “heads of light”

Made me think of Null

[hot trout]

One of the missions led to a traveller grave

The echo it contained had been harvested using a mind arc from another universe

When attempting to get the name of this dead traveller, all that came back was a null response

[near forge]

Yeah I‘m still pretty sure in one of the endings of that Null does show up.

There was direct mention of a „traveller with a sphere of light for their head“ in those iirc.

[hot trout]

The soul on display

[near forge]

Coincidently we also do come across a dead traveller in that little mission, not sure if it happens in every ending but in one of it it did.

[hot trout]

I do see that the imposter reveal is the last of the direct lore missions, so it makes sense that would be remembered most, but it frustrates me that it seems to be focused on to the point of ignoring the rest

[near forge]

It was also like a lil‘ murder mystery thus engagement was driven.

[hot trout]

That doesnt even come up until its already near the end

And...

That was when Origins came out (the footnote links to its page on the wiki)

[near forge]

HUH

There also is this broken terminal at one of Anomaly landing pads, it displays the same error message usually found in places like derelicts and other broken tech.

[hot trout]

One of the things added in origins was colossal archives

[near forge]

Dang I‘m 100% sure those were also written by Greg then.

And I‘d assume that the Sentinel Pillars were his last contribution.

[hot trout]

Later lore doesnt contradict those

[near forge]

He hasn‘t been on team for a while now tho iirc, which ig kinda might also explain why the latest lore developments have been rather slow & vague?

ISM was pretty straightforward, after all. And nothing that significant happened in any of the latest expeditions, at least not that I remember.

[hot trout]

The allure of the Abyss definitely remains. I think a couple recent expeditions had themes relating to that

What i want to know is whether the colossal archive entries were ever added to in subsequent updates

[near forge]

Though it was also during the Omega expedition I think where I remember Asteria getting another mention, or it might have been Adrift? They were definitely brought up in one expo, I replayed all of them recently and remember that, just not the specific one.

[hot trout]

Do you recall any mention of Lazarus? Their name really stands out to me as one outside greco-roman inspiration

[near forge]

I think so, there were a bunch of travellers mentioned early in the weekend missions, and I feel like most of them were reused for one interaction during one of the expos, but not sure which one.

I would have to dig through my screenshots, and rn I should actually be sleeping. But I‘ll take a look later.

[hot trout]

Do you know whether any patch notes mention changes to the colossal archive entries?

That is a particularly important thing to figure out, because if their logs have not changed since origins, then theyd be the earliest mention of "Atlantid"

[hard stirrup]

I wonder if we'll ever go there. HG have been adding huge game changing features with the main story expansions. I wonder if there is a plan for like an abyss dimension or galaxy or something.

[hot trout]

The Abyss is an entity, another manifestation of the Void Mother, imo

[hard stirrup]

I think it's more than that...I think it's a place...the world of glass or something like it is there.

[hot trout]

If its more of a location, then I'd interpret the Abyss as regions of particular influence by the Void Mother

Different from the dissonance, but a "corruption" all the same

The earliest mentions of the Abyss had to do with the water, right?

[near forge]

I just found this, but struggle to locate where it was mentioned exactly, cuz the weekend mission summary I have up only has one mention of Asteria:

Asteria was preserved in a Mind-Arc after their death, dispensing wisdom from the grave.

It is a pilgrimage we have all made. It is time you seek your prophecy, kindred.

Find their world. Follow the knowledge stones and take their glyphs through the portal…

Perhaps this was the mind arc which was harvested during the weekend missions as part of one of the missions?

And for that reason it‘s not directly mentioned among the 15 lore snippets.

[hard stirrup]

Some of them. And iirc the update called Abyss added the underwater ruins and their lore but that feels different from the abyss in other lore.

[hot trout]

No, theres a few references to Asteria

One mission has us directly visit their grave

[hot trout]

Im not as sure, it has that same allure that pulls so many towards the Abyss

[near forge]

Putting these two logs together makes it clear that the Abyss is an alias for the VM, imo. However it could have also acted as describing a place, mainly the one the VM resided in. I think it‘s kinda both.

    Before the Traveller found me, I heard a voice in the darkness. She gave me a name. Laylaps. An old name. She said it would be known to the Traveller. She told me I had suffered much, and would suffer more. “Little drone, whose end was so like my own." Thus did the abyss whisper.```

```19th Encounter
    There is a place for you, Telamon. The Travellers you wear, their progenitor who birthed them, they who made the Atlas itself. It is their fault. It is all their fault. The Abyss, the Families of Glass, we are in agreement. We will not die a second time.```

The families of Glass remain distinct.

[near forge]

And this was the first mention of „Atlantid“ I think?

[hot trout]

Theres two archive entries that mention Atlantid!?

[hard stirrup]

Saying the abyss whispered can easily mean a whisper from the Abyss...and this was before the Void Mother's return...she was still locked in the void at the time...so a whisper from the abyss can easily be interpreted as the abyss whispering.

[hot trout]

Also I am about to rage because the wiki doesnt have direct records of the dreams of the deep

[near forge]

The 19th log describes the Abyss being in agreement with the families of glass tho, makes them seem like a person, or ig a group of persons would also work.

And it says that the Abyss doesn‘t want to die a 2nd time, basically.

Seems to line up with the general goal going on.

[light cypress]

We find Atlantis and it’s just a zombie plague. Gg us

[hot trout]

Atlantid

The distinction is rather important

[light cypress]

Atlantid is basically Atlantis

[hot trout]

Yes and no

Atlantis indicates a place
Atlantid indicates a person

[hard stirrup]

A voice from the Abyss can be interpreted as the abyss speaking. Especially if that is the only voice heard from it. Laylaps is speaking about the Void Mother but I think the Abyss is also clearly a place.

[hot trout]

Both mean "of/from Atlas"

[near forge]

Ah yes I agree there, to me it‘s kinda both, a place and an alias the VM goes by.

[hot trout]

Tbf, the Void Mother originally was a being and a place

[hot trout]

But this distinction is still very important

[light cypress]

The story of Atlantis has similarities to the Void Mother as well. Sunk to the bottom of the ocean for becoming corrupt and war-like

[hot trout]

...

[near forge]

When I did the ISM Quest recently, the first vision at a corrupted Monolith also happens while „swimming“ in the water and referencing the Void Mother.

It basically puts us in the perspective of Korvax Prime, saying things like „my mind is healthy and enjoying solving complicated calculations with ease“…and then how she feels about first spawn drilling is described, iirc.

[hot trout]

The Void Mother didnt literally sink to the bottom of the ocean, and her change in attitude generally seems to have happened in the process of her destruction

[light cypress]

Sinking to the bottom of the ocean and being deleted could be viewed as similar

[hot trout]

However, the general similarity of a lost place with similar name led me down the path of discovering that "Atlantid" isnt an original name

[light cypress]

Being deleted by “god”

[hot trout]

HG didnt make it up

[near forge]

The Abyss name mainly comes from there being only an „abyss“ left where KP was after the Geks were done with her.

[hot trout]

Atlas didnt delete her

I need more evidence to be convinced it is in that much control over the simulations

[light cypress]

The story of the Autophage was basically that Atlas deleted Atlantid and we were to restore it I thought

That she started coming back through the “cracks”

[hot trout]

Yet the Atlantid herself contradicts that

She views the Atlas as being idle in her death

But she wants to avoid death, in everyone's case

Even the Atlas itself

[near forge]

This was the first mention ever of the Abyss I think, found in a Korvax manufacturing facility:

"The research station contains a vast array of scanners and monitoring equipment directed at bodies of water throughout the system. It is searching for something designated “abyss”.

The scientists who worked here seem to have been comparing the transmissions associated with the Atlas to strange signals found within the water.

Before they went missing, the workers concluded that this “abyss” seemed to hold a similar yet distinct energy signature to the Atlas itself. Another power in the universe…

I examine the records relating to the abyss. They show a repeating pattern of sixteen energy bursts, music that emerges from beneath the waves.

Contact appears to alter individual personality and objectives, changing even the most devoted Korvax into an agent of some unfathomable power.

Infected Nanite Clusters appear to be present within the archives. I take some of them. It seems to be for the best…"

[hard stirrup]

I don't remember Atlantis coming up in NMS lore, but no the Void Mother was not sunk...she was an entire planet, Korvax Prime...or the consciousness of it. And no story about Atlantis I am aware of suggests the island was sentient and had a consciousness. So not really related.

[hot trout]

Its related in the sense of it helps us discover the connection between Atlas and Atlantid

[hot trout]

And that connection is why I think this is wrong

Why would Atlas delete its daughter?

[light cypress]

Because she became corrupt and war-like

[hot trout]

No she didnt

She wasnt angry until she was dead

Or, at earliest, until she was being actively killed

[light cypress]

Her worlds have viscera of sentinels strewn about everywhere

[hot trout]

The same sentinels have pledged their own allegiance to her

[near forge]

Telamon mentions the deletion of the VM resulting in the Gek eventually worshipping the Atlas, but I doubt it would have cared about that, especially with the Korvax being much more similar to itself.

[hot trout]

How else did the nanites get in the water?

Why else would the sentinels see no need to patrol those depths?

[hot trout]

Telamon puts it in a rather roundabout way, lol

Technically correct

The gek didnt worship the Atlas until after the korvax used nanites to change them

[near forge]

I wonder whether the Sea Glass added in WP2 are the crystals mentioned during the deep in the dreams mission.

Like this mission came out way before Sea Glass ever was a thing, but with the boundaries failing and such…

Tho this mission pretty much always happens before purple systems are unlocked, and the planet it’s happening on wouldn’t have Sea Glass. So eh.

[hot trout]

Nanites which arent typically found as a part of korvax blood, I should add, but were added to the blood to smuggle them in

WHY DOES NO WEBSITE HAVE DIRECT RECORD OF THE DREAMS OF THE DEEP LOGS RAAAAH

Im getting walk-throughs and tutorials but where are the logs?

[near forge]

NMS Ressources had lots of dialogue for different things but the forum those were stored in was apparently shut down or smth like that…rly caught me off guard.

But dreams of the deep dialogue is genuinely a nightmare to find outside of the game.

[light cypress]

I should record it when I do it. I think I have that quest in my log

Unless it’s a different, similarly named quest

[near forge]

Oh it does get stored in the in game lore log iirc

Ig Arti just doesn‘t want to/can‘t start up the game just for that rn

[hot trout]

Yeah basically

I do think it should be recorded outside the game as well, in case something goes weird and logs get removed

ANYWAY I found the logs on nms resources via their screenshot way of displaying them. I was looking for it because the crystals in those logs are red

[near forge]

Hm

[compact coyote]

NO WAY ITS RASAMAMA

[hot trout]

Rich metal deposits...

[near forge]

Honestly I wanted to forget about Sea Glass until HG fixes the rendering bug

[hot trout]

Did... did that crew visit an oceanic planet?

[light cypress]

The ocean just freaks me out when I can’t see the bottom so I’ve not done the quest

[near forge]

Sea Glass is described as being both mineral and alive. But the thing is, unless you start an expedition save with purple systems unlocked, chances are that mission will always take place in a yellow system and hence no deep water ocean.

[hot trout]

Their description of the world they find themselves in doesnt match any such world youre likely to do the missions on

Its entirely possible their remains got displaced from whatever place they found themselves

[near forge]

Hmm, I suppose that could be the case yeh.

Regardless of it, it‘s really impressive how well thought out all of this is then.

HG have build up this lore thread for a very long time.

[hot trout]

Yeah, I kinda figured that already, just not... to this extent

I mean, one of my own theories is that the changes we see to the universe in nms over the course of updates is done by the influence of the Void Mother

[near forge]

Imma need to sleep on this 🫡

[hot trout]

Now I gotta check whether the resource nodes at the seafloor of ocean worlds are called "rich deposits" or "condensed deposits"

That will probably require launching the game, lol

[hot trout]

Theres no need to freak out, just take a sip of water and everything will be fine

[light cypress]

But the game says not to do that

[hot trout]

So many say that, yet dont say how to manage that

How do you know you havent already Drank the Water?

[light cypress]

I’m not even sure my guy eats or drinks at all

[hot trout]

MINTZ YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO BED

[light cypress]

I’ve never made my guy eat or drink

[near forge]

Yknow, I wanted to sleep right…but what I‘m dwelling on rn, is why the Sea Glass in game is reddish/pinkish-yellowish and its icon green, like bruh HG

I suppose maybe the inside is greenish?

[hot trout]

What do you think life support is?

[light cypress]

Could be iridescent

[light cypress]

AFAIK oxygen, carbon, sodium, phosphorous, and other trace elements

[hot trout]

How could you forget hydrogen and nitrogen?

Regardless, those are all ingredients for organic materials

[light cypress]

Because I’ve never recharged anything on my suit with those

[hard stirrup]

I don't think any quest asks you to go to deep oceans...so you shouldn't face depths worse than like 70u...you'll be fine.

[hot trout]

Life support gel, also the life support isnt simply air, its everything

[near forge]

Ah Sea Glass is described as being translucent, so its color could kinda change depending on the lighting.

[light cypress]

I could never be bothered to craft the gels

[light cypress]

That’s good to know. 70u isn’t that bad

[hot trout]

And I'm fairly sure the implication is that the life support system collects relevant matter from the environment as needed