nms-spoilers

[dense quartz]

Like it just straight up warped and sucked in planets and freighters and literally anything that was near it.

[gusty stream]

Yeah thus os just what I have on me rn

[dense quartz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjP23Zx9k3s

This is what it looked like before the visuals got broken.

It's really a shame that so many people's introduction to it is broken and they just assume it's fine and intentional.

[spice gorge]

So Sean tweeted, what, yesterday about , yet experimental expedition not over until Tues 14:00 GMT+0. There's no way the Exp would go public before the experimental one ends. Seems odd he'd tweet about it already.

[gusty stream]

Depends on what he tweets tomorrow

Big updates usually come out on Wednesday

[spice gorge]

Wed would make sense

Anyone else hear anyone speak of this happening to them as well?

I used my now-Normal-mode save that used to be the Singularity expedition save (I completed it, it converted) to start. I went to the Anomaly to kick off the Omega expedition and before doing so I switched my view to 3rd person and my character was the same as during Singularity, but was wearing the new Atlas helmet -- replaced my head. Seems not intentional... And Omega had not yet been started.

[late tusk]

how many more days for the thing

experimental

[icy citrus]

Runs till Tuesday

[late tusk]

okay

also the atlas helmet gives me daedric helmet vibes

[hard stirrup]

I have seen one other person say they had this issue with a save that used to be an expedition save but he did not say which expedition it used to be.

[hard stirrup]

Not really...Sean has almost always tweeted the emoji hint during the weekend before an update went public. The only unusual part is that the update or part of it happen to be in the experimental testing while he's tweeting it so for the first time we have a solid idea of what's coming. But there is nothing odd about the tweet itself.

[snow stream]

The real odd thing is no sale yet, feel like the sale is usually going by now
But there’s still plenty of time for it to go on sale

[hard stirrup]

Sale has started as late as the day of release of an update, hours after an update was public. I suspect we'll see the sales up Monday or Tuesday though.

[snow stream]

Yeah, I’m not too worried about it or anything, just odd since lately it feels like it’s started a handful of days before the update, or even before sean tweets the emoji
Might be misremembering though

[dense quartz]

Sean.

[dire drum]

Sean is clearly messing with us

[compact coyote]

Seaaaaan

[dense briar]

Is there a certain day that updates tend to land on?

[dire drum]

I think someone said Wednesday?

[compact coyote]

Yes

[snow stream]

Usually Wednesday yeah
I think there’s been one or two exceptions here and there? But most of them are on a Wednesday

[dense briar]

Darn that is my first day back to work 😔

Is this update just an expedition or is it confirmed to be more?

[cursive bay]

weird. i just loaded up and my blue bridge on dreadnought somehow fixed itself and now in pirate red theme

[dire drum]

I’m 99% sure it’s more

[dense quartz]

Imagine us being all excited about overhauled space stations, ability to buy pirate freighters, expanded atlas path storyline..
And then we just get an expedition.

I actually haven't been this excited for an update since Frontiers, and I wish I wasn't excited at all for that one lol.

[summer hearth]

sean is fucking with us

there is no update

its all a goof

[snow stream]

He played us all for FOOLS

[unborn bough]

[dense quartz]

It's so weird that the usual youtubers aren't covering the emoji.. I've never seen them not do it. And it's almost all of them.

[unborn bough]

They’re busy covering the expedition demo released on experimental branch.

[dense quartz]

I guess. 🤔

[hard stirrup]

I mean we already know a good chunk of what the update will contain even if not necessarily all of the content, and we know exactly what the emoji is...the Omega symbol which coincides with the name of the upcoming expedition. And if you want to delve into meaning it's also fairly clear...the ending of the 4 part story revolving around the void mother and the atlas. Before every previous update we had no idea what was coming so all there was to talk about was the emoji...but there aren't a whole lot of reasons to talk about the emoji this time.

[dense quartz]

I think the opposite, if there's info on the update you'd talk about it rather than prioritize speculation when you have nothing to go off of.
We knew a lot about Waypoint before it released but that didn't stop people from talking about it.

[dusky gazelle]

Why use a spoiler tag in the Spoiler channel? Kind of redundant...

[hard stirrup]

I mean emoji talk literally never amounted to anything other than speculation because the emoji never properly conveys anything of substance. Like when we had the egg emoji and everyone thought pets but nope, it was living ships...or the orange emoji for Origins. Basically no meaning.

[open steeple]

Because it was completely off topic and much more of a spoiler than people talking about a bug with lights in an unreleased frieghter type

[hard stirrup]

Well 4 part story is what Hello Games themselves said it would be when this started though.

[dusky gazelle]

True. Also this is No Man's Sky.... Bugs are part of the fun with all the updates..... I don't know what I'd do if they actually released a bug free update....

I'd probably think it was broken if it was bug free...

[open steeple]

It's like Skyrim, the bugs are half the fun of the game! Like how breaking your life support lets you fly to space with your jetpack!

[dusky gazelle]

indeed

[open steeple]

Indeed you can! I flew through a black hole and it broke my life support, so now it never depletes

It's easier on a low-gravity planet, and you need the ability to recharge your jetpack in midair

I hope the don't patch that, it's such a niche thing that's harmless to the experience

[primal oasis]

Can the pirate dreadnought be saved to normal game after the event exditions was over?

[dense quartz]

They're not related to the expedition, it's just new content for the base game.
I'm sure it'll be officially introduced in this new update in a few days.

[primal oasis]

So I’m assuming yes. Because I have S-Class pirate dreadnought and I want that to be saved into normal game.

[rustic haven]

No telling for sure, especially since it's on experimental

Nothing on experimental is guaranteed to work when switched to live, that's why backups are highly recommended

[primal oasis]

That’s interesting….. thank you for the head up because I wouldn’t have known

[heavy light]

If you know where you got the dreadnought (what system) you should be able to go back and get an identical one

Gunter agrees

[primal oasis]

Sounds sweet! I got it from the pirate controlled systems since it would given the high chance to spawn S-Class pirate dreadnoughts

[heavy light]

What I’m talking about is glyphs

[primal oasis]

What that means?

[heavy light]

Well nvm then

I don’t have the required brain capacity to explain it rn

[crude sand]

Glyphs are the coordinates system for a galaxy, these 16 symbols allow a player to travel to any planet/system within the players current galaxy. You input these glyphs at a portal.

When uploading or sharing a discovery you always include the systems glyphs plus the galaxy the discovery is in.

Primarily Glyphs are located bottom left in photo mode, tho this is not the only way to obtain a planet’s glyphs.

Simply put Glyphs dialled into a portal take the player to specific planets within the players current galaxy.

[primal oasis]

I see

I made an back up files incase something like this happens

[crude sand]

If you want more information on how to locate portals, use them and more you can use these three commands in #bot-spam !faq-portal !faq-portaluse !faq-portalglyphs

[crude sand]

Something like this? I’m not following.

[primal oasis]

Like if I lost the dreadnought and can’t remember the exacts locations of system. I could use the file, I think

[primal oasis]

Ah okay, thanks

[crude sand]

Ah I gotcha, it’s unlikely they will remove them considering they are included in the experimental patch.

But I can understand why you may be preparing

[primal oasis]

Yeah. Computer glitch are going to be heck of a pains honestly

[pale hazel]

also, i am a bit late on this but

" SIR, SEAN MURRAY HAS POSTED A THIRD OMEGA; GET THE TSA ON THE LINE "
" we're all gonna die "

[dense quartz]

@pale hazel Yis.

[summer hearth]

SIR THEYVE HIT THE SECOND OMEGA

[heavy light]

This?

[crude sand]

So much omega

[analog breach]

Go home sean . Youre drunk

[mild scarab]

Nms: the Kratos update

[heavy light]

It looks more like twitter is drunk

Same number of responses likes and retweets on the doubles

[midnight notch]

That's cause repost

[heavy light]

Ohhhh

I didn’t see that

Yeah Sean was definitely drunk

Forgot to switch accounts moment

[analog breach]

It beter have more than the leaked stuff. Pepole would be disapointed after all the time waiting

[safe kiln]

nah, this is normal for him

[spring hawk]

I keep seeing new notifications and get excited that the update released but then I see he just retweeted it...

[summer hearth]

its weird reading seans old tweets

seeing him swear threw me off guard

[analog breach]

After all the hate he got im suprised he didint turn into super villain

[summer hearth]

bro said fuck it we ball

and boy did he ball

[analog breach]

It reminds me the intro from 65daysofstatic track
"All that negative energy just makes me stronger, this band(HG) is unstoppable"

[summer hearth]

not allowed to be silly

i see

at least youre aware of it

we dont know you enough to hate you

so its all good

go play space game

[solar turret]

Warning : Extra high spoiler level

[primal oasis]

So questions. When having a pirate dreadnought, can it use big cannons on the sentinel or any capital ship you’d be fighting against?

[solar turret]

Idk

They dont turn either which is weird

Theyres always aimed sideways

... for now

[primal oasis]

Yeah… it actually would be so cool if it can fights for you

[ripe verge]

lol

i have an S class

skrill issue

[past shuttle]

Anyone know how long is left on the expedition on experimental?

[ripe verge]

1

day

[past shuttle]

Oh sweet

Hoping the main update has everything over in experimental as well, looks pretty cool

In Jason's video I saw a destroyed freighter in orbit of the expedition planet, pretty sure that's new right? Those can only usually spawn as a pulse drive encounter?

Makes me hopeful for them adding more points of interest

[wind panther]

If you pulse and stop properly, you can force them to spawn in orbit

[wind panther]

In the last couple of expeditions, stations were littered with derelict freighters

[solar turret]

Now imagine a civilian ship seeing a dreadnought with 30 frigates

[analog breach]

Me seeing dreadnought woth 30 frigates: free loot

[safe kiln]

The dreadnought is cool and all, but I’ve already got the perfect Venator

[primal oasis]

And that Venator is…?

[analog breach]

One of the capital freighters

[glad kernel]

Hope ship hunters will find the 4 connected SC slots pirate freighter after the publish update

[primal oasis]

Ahh the Star Wars style

Honestly you do you, because I’m keeping S-Class outlaw dreadnought as space pirate

[hard stirrup]

SC slots don't have to be connected because of how much tech there is. The connection bonuses given or received by tech in supercharged slots are no larger than if the tech was in a normal slot, and that includes touching supercharged slots. For freighters as long as all 4 are in a 3x3 area you can use them all on hyperdrive and if you want to use them for fleet coordination, they only have to all be in a 7x3 area.

[uncut harness]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaitin's_constant
https://youtu.be/t3pMiTwIHD0?si=h3wHdLIvagX7NcGm

I wonder how this relates to NMS. Converging randomness seems to be why we get, gek, vykeen, korvax. Maybe the atlas is trying to compute it's own halting probability

The constant is represented by

[hard stirrup]

Do we have any reason to believe this was even considered by Hello Games, much less play any role in the update? If anything the opposite is true...the Atlas quest does only not stop, but becomes infinite with a repeatable looping end mission.

[spice gorge]

Ah. So that's exactly the scenario I was in, using a save that had been previously a different expedition save.

I submitted the bug report with a screenshot and HG followed up asking for my save file (which I promptly delivered), so this should be patched out in the final, public update.

I did explain the situation clearly, including that detail, to HG, so. Should be fixed.

It's awlays nice to be able to lend a 🖐️ .

[hard stirrup]

Awesome, hopefully no such issues happen once the full release arrives.

[uncut harness]

HG is a group composed of some pretty smart people with a wide background. They've made a lot of algorithms about randomness, so I'm sure they understand the limits and have done a lot of research. Also the entire story is about the atlas ending in 16 minutes. 👀

[hard stirrup]

The story is more about the Atlas being in a loop of 16 minutes rather than actually ending. The Atlas went Rampant and is resetting the simulation every 16 minutes over and over and over again.

[uncut harness]

It's resetting and creating multiple simulations, not just one though

That's why there are travelers from other universes that phase in and out of the one we play in. Even multiplayer is described that way

[hard stirrup]

But i don't think that this concept will specifically play any role in this update. I think they chose the name Omega in part because it sounds awesome and possibly in part because this is supposed to be the end of the 4 part story they started last year with the void mother and the atlas.

[uncut harness]

It could also be true that they have considered it, and that's how they came up with a lot of the story that led to the name for this update. 🤷‍♂️ Pretty sure they haven't been just making up the story as they go, and the titles for the updates around lore seem to have specific implications

[hard stirrup]

They probably didn't write the story themselves...they have hired professional writers for these things in the past...even for the story in the dozen or so unique weekend missions several years back. Now I don't know who specifically has been writing this recent story, but I don't think it's Hello Games themselves...they may direct the topics and core themes, but I don't think they are writing it themselves.

[uncut harness]

Do you have links for that? Also I'm pretty sure HG didn't just say "come up with any story" even if they hired someone I'm sure they had direction, and lots of boards describing points in a story. You're also implying they're still paying someone to write for them, which sounds like an employee or contractor, which is still HG

I don't know why you had to be antagonistic to my idea immediately, just sharing something I found from 1 Google search of what the Omega symbol could mean, so I'm pretty sure they've done the same

[hard stirrup]

Not at the moment at my fingertips but the writer who wrote the unique weekend missions was openly discussing on twitter that he was contracted by Hello Games to write those missions. This was around 2019-2020, I don't have links to that stuff anymore.

[uncut harness]

Those missions also aren't referenced anymore as far as I can tell. Just something the rest of us think about because we experienced them

[hard stirrup]

And I don't think Hello Games liked that plot or are keen to revisit it again anytime soon because if true then we have a murderous cosmic horror of some description running loose on the Anomaly, and everyone there knows about it but only decided to say "cool" and proceed to do nothing about it.

[uncut harness]

I agree they're special, the autophage seem to maybe have been korvax that separated when they became glass, and learned independence from the void mother

[ripe verge]

Why not both?

[hard stirrup]

I find that doubtful. The lore even suggests the Atlas created the Korvax and then proceeded to have the Gek destroy their world and enslave them for a time as a way of playing out its own victim complex at the hands of its creators.

[ripe verge]

(created a back up where I keep my starwars one)

While keeping pirate on my main

Lucky with SC slots

Now i can use two with hyperdrive

And two fleet upgrades thing

So not too bad in the lucky sense

This feels like

Korvax prime

Lore related

[hard stirrup]

aka the void mother.

[uncut harness]

I wonder if abyss means before creation, or when they're on the verge of destruction

I did see that, would be interesting if that inspired the idea anyway

I wonder if that's part of the translation process for us the player

They could mean something "mother like"

[hard stirrup]

Emily was only ever mentioned in the out of game ARG written by Alice & Smith...none of the characters from that ARG were ever name checked in game...only the number of the unidentified person was used as an iteration number. I don't think Hello Games are keen to acknowledge or continue the story from that ARG.

[uncut harness]

I guess they do say "she" though

[hard stirrup]

Emily is just a name they gave to the loop of 16, which is the error and rampancy consuming the Atlas. The ARG made it out to be a whole other sentient AI, but I don't really think Hello Games have any interest in continuing to pull at that thread. It's been some 5 or 6 years since that was played out, if they were interested they would have done it by now.

[uncut harness]

I feel like Polo and Nada get pronouns in the story but I could be wrong. I also felt like hirk had pronouns too, but I can't look it up easily haha

[ripe verge]

SMASH

[uncut harness]

I'll have to pay closer attention, I like the theory haha

Echo seeds can still be gathered from dissonant planets, I wonder if they are good for anything. Can I cook the souls of the autophage into a nice dish

[ripe verge]

I felt like nada was korvax prime

Maybe like undercover pretending

[uncut harness]

I think Nada is just a korvax who made it to a new universe after the destruction of hers

I don't know how Nada an Polo stumble on the anomaly though, maybe different versions of them

I hope she gets a real cape one day

[wild dune]

Nada be realizing the universe is a simulation in archaic/unused contents.

[uncut harness]

It's stiff from what I saw, doesn't move around

[wild dune]

well how can you possibly suppose they are female when Nada's been canonically named Priest instead of Priestess

[uncut harness]

I think priestess is an old gendered term, I understood "priest" as not genered

[primal oasis]

Who here got outlaw dreadnought? Do you like the design or not?

[ripe verge]

0/10 would never get one again

[uncut harness]

Haha I always thought of Artemis like a younger brother, I love hearing interpretations

NMS goes out of its way for all the characters to be NB

I know, I just figure it's a name

[hard stirrup]

I don't have one because I'm not playing on experimental...but I'm getting one when the update goes live. Probably after the expedition.

[uncut harness]

I don't think gender actually exists in NMS outside of the vykeen maybe.

[viral geyser]

Can you stop spamming the fact you can own a dreadnought now, we get it. You don't have to post 15 pictures

[uncut harness]

They're only ever referred to as they, too

[ripe verge]

I refuse

@primal oasis

Asked

If someone owns a pirate freighter

[primal oasis]

Ahh

[viral geyser]

You've posted 15 pictures

That's excessive

[uncut harness]

hahaha I'm glad we're closing in on this, the real question, is "does Hirk have a brother? and where are the lady Vy'keen" Just reminds me of DRG where all the dwarves are fungus that reproduce by spores (I've heard)

[primal oasis]

I do own it.

[wild dune]

no

probably derelict

[uncut harness]

I love the uncertainty in the log also

Like "it doesn't really matter, but maybe"

Iirc vykeen are the only race in NMS with any reference to biological sex

[wild dune]

I have in my mind at least 90% of the crashed freighter texts

strong tentacles

meaning handsome and muscular

[hard stirrup]

Korvax and Autophage are asexual but I think Gek and Vy'keen have some form of gender. Gek reproduction is briefly discussed, they lay eggs so they are more akin to birds while Vy'keen are more akin to mamals.

[uncut harness]

Right korvax share their bodies with ancestors, gek have spawn pools, travellers are made by atlas, and autophage are also constructed

Biological sex also doesn't make sense with travellers since they're not designed to even be able to reproduce and are all totally unique

[wild dune]

I mean they resemble frogs literally. They lay thousands of eggs at once

[uncut harness]

Gender identity is different but even the vykeen don't seem to have very defined gender roles

I wonder if we look like freaks to them

[ripe verge]

We best bluds

[wild dune]

strange entities who don't eat nor drink nor sleep

[hard stirrup]

I don't think HG have interest in touching the topic of gender identity, which is probably for the best.

[ripe verge]

I'm showing each angle of it

[uncut harness]

I eat a lot of bread for the jetpack boost

[wild dune]

travellers be eating bread for jet pack fuels

[primal oasis]

Aye!

[uncut harness]

I wish I could look like Apollo

[ripe verge]

Do you think the bridge bug of pirate freighter will be fixed?

[primal oasis]

Are you going to commit space crimes in NMS with it?

[ripe verge]

I'm black admiral

And -1064 in korvax

[primal oasis]

Sweeet

[ripe verge]

(My freighter crew is korvax)

[uncut harness]

I agree, it also helps to further set it apart from our reality in how things work

[ripe verge]

Lol

[ripe verge]

Yet im 9 in pirates, gek and vykeen

[wild dune]

true, it's just an optic cloak when you use the appearance modifier.

something something a compromised form of design in case one would accuse NMS of being not customizable enough. lol

The game's story is too grim for a strong social/multiplier based player community. Imagine say goodbye to Euclid forever if the devs adhere to the lore.

[uncut harness]

Yeah, I think the idea of the lore in general is to ask you to experiment with those ideas, but leave the choice to behave as something did happen to you

[ripe verge]

I feel like the Euclid we go to isn't the Euclid we spawned in

But like a back up version of euclid

That's why we can still access via portals and shit

[uncut harness]

I reset the universe at least twice in my playthrough, so you're 100% correct, I think every instance of a player is actually in a different Euclid we're just overlapping because the Atlas is failing

boundaries are falling

[dense quartz]

http://puu.sh/K0NqN/0f12a523c5.png

👀

[dire drum]

Based off the experimental branch alone we’re not going to be disappointed

[uncut harness]

Feels like they're excited to get this new version out, they're doing a lot

[uncut harness]

bubbles?

[ashen spoke]

I can't wait for ship customisation to finally drop and it's just colours and blob decals

[heavy light]

I doubt ship customization will ever be a thing

If they do add it it’s gonna be decals

Defo not colors or part changing tho

[ashen spoke]

Yeah that would make ship hunting pointless

[analog breach]

Maybe if custom ships where X class- low chance for good stats

You want good ship stats , you need to hunt for it

[ashen spoke]

Or a pool of 5 possible cosmetic changes which are proc gen in each system

[heavy light]

ANOTHER EXPERIMENTAL

[analog breach]

😤

Gib update already

[viral geyser]

The new ship class is modular within the game files and is mostly likely going to be customizable

[ashen spoke]

ΩΩΩΩΩ

[viral geyser]

Also pretty sure the new ship class is for space races

[heavy light]

What new ship class?

There’s one new ship

[ashen spoke]

Ω

[heavy light]

And it’s an expedition reward

[viral geyser]

Within the game files there is a modular system for ships

I like to data mine

There's an entire video on it

[heavy light]

Link?

[ashen spoke]

Can you tell if the modular parts are proc gen?

[analog breach]

There a lot stuff in game files that didint reach oficial release.

[viral geyser]

https://youtu.be/USoutQEdKcg?si=EePrytV3KL97GFpL

[viral geyser]

The modular parts themselves seem to be prefab

[heavy light]

There’s been ship customization in the files since 2019 iirc, if they wanted they could just activate that at any point

Doesn’t mean they ever will activate it

[viral geyser]

No there has not

[heavy light]

@sour fossil said so

Something like that

[viral geyser]

The only thing resembling that are alt color palettes that can be modded in

Also don't randomly ping people

[zenith perch]

New experimental build I see

[heavy light]

Fuck you mean?
Im saying that I think FF said something about that
So I ping them

[civic badge]

Calm down (both)

[heavy light]

How many of these new modular parts are there?

[viral geyser]

Watch the video that I provided

[zenith perch]

That's my concern though, people hype themselves up to uber unrealistic levels, many things point to this being a new expedition with a way to have easier starts in expeditions

[dire drum]

Also people think that we’re not getting new stations, but based off the trailer they’re likely getting added this update, even if they’re not in exp branch

[viral geyser]

Actaully you are incorrect. There are many signs that this is a beefier update

[sour fossil]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6aXnCSnxwJ4/maxresdefault.jpg

[heavy light]

see

[viral geyser]

Read what I wrote litteraly under that

[dire drum]

Oh boy, lemme grab the popcorn.

[viral geyser]

Apart from the experimental itself there are many different signs

1. It's been 6~ months since the last proper update
2. It's the last part to the 4 part story?
3. We already had a trailer showing off the new space stations during the game awards

[sour fossil]

Judging from the language files alone, there will be more stuff to do than just the expedition

But then again

1. it's possible HG left those text entries as accident and they are not gonna get used in the actual update

[heavy light]

Hi mythos

[sour fossil]

2. it's possible HG comes across some major issue during development and will have to yank stuff out

[unborn bough]

@viral geyser chill out, no need to be passive aggressive about things that aren’t out yet. Everybody’s speculating at this point. 🙂

[sour fossil]

Last time I checked the new text elements, there were no indications as to new space stations

Since I would assume the new interiors would offers some new functionalities / gameplay mechanics

[heavy light]

Do you know anything about that modular thing they mentioned?

[viral geyser]

I am not being passive aggressive at all lmao

[sour fossil]

Yeah I saw bits of the code

[heavy light]

🪑 🍿

[sour fossil]

It will be of interest to me later when I will have to update my colourful staves mod

[unborn bough]

Looked like it, not worth a discussion though. Let’s stay calm.

[sour fossil]

Because HG is putting modular customization bits into a dedicated file / library, instead of having it loose in global variables

[gusty stream]

Woah

[sour fossil]

So yeah there is stuff hinting at starship customization in terms of modular building

If memory serves right, it was limited to the 4 basic ship types: fighters, explorers, haulers and shuttles

[heavy light]

Could also just be for them to test new ship modules before they’re added to the game

New cockpits and stuff

[dense quartz]

Remember the INSANE hype for Fractal where people legit thought it was a freaking engine switch?
....And the update was basically just an expedition.

[cobalt siren]

Wait, has sean tweeted?

[unborn bough]

Just in case someone’s trying to find something on ship customization: #nms-spoilers message

[sour fossil]

Last week, yeah

[cobalt siren]

HE HAS

[viral geyser]

Are you referring to this

[cobalt siren]

WEEWOO

[unborn bough]

Stuff in the fame files

[sour fossil]

Yeah probably

Though this is from NMSMB, right?

[dense quartz]

Plopped an emoji, retweeted it 3 times, internal branch got updated a bunch of times, last time was just like 2-3 hours ago.

[sour fossil]

Im more of a AMUMSS / XML guy

[cobalt siren]

Looks like its gonna be soon

[heavy light]

And an expe pop about half an hour ago

[cobalt siren]

I think by the end of this week the update will be released

because february break

[heavy light]

I’m thinking Wednesday

[cobalt siren]

I hope so because thats I personally finish

[unborn bough]

They are going crazy with the PC internal build.

[viral geyser]

Ye

[unborn bough]

And expedition on experimental does seem to end on Tuesday.

[viral geyser]

There's also new text that implies a demo for no mans sky

[unborn bough]

And generally they release an update on Wednesday.

So…

Maybe day after tomorrow.

[sour fossil]

I've seen the trials mentioned in mission strucutes

[heavy light]

Shit

[sour fossil]

For a condition stage

[heavy light]

Wednesday is my longest school day

[spring hawk]

I predict tuesday/wednesday

[heavy light]

Shortest if I skip my last class

[cobalt siren]

I finish college for break on wednesday

[viral geyser]

I'm thinking either "trials" will take place of expiditions or it's a legitimate demo version of the game

[spring hawk]

Yes Mythos i am in this server too lol

[viral geyser]

Which has never been done before

[cobalt siren]

Imagine if released tonight, that'd be funny

how long does it take after a tweet usually?

[unborn bough]

It’s better to not jump to update on the day or during the week of update. Bugs are awesome.

[spring hawk]

It would

[spring hawk]

i say like half a week or so?

[heavy light]

But I want pirate freighter

[unborn bough]

Me too

[heavy light]

And Starborn title

[glad kernel]

lol

[unborn bough]

If updated it’s not going anywhere

[heavy light]

And cool helmet
And ship
And backpack
And staff

[sour fossil]

Only HG can tell what they mean by trials

[unborn bough]

No rush!

[sour fossil]

Also a quick public service announcement

The latest experimental update did not add anything new

[spring hawk]

I think HG pushed this exp update now to get their 4.4 fixes in time for 4.5

[heavy light]

Just bug patching?

[sour fossil]

It was most probably just an update for the game's executable file

[cobalt siren]

Some ppl speculating electronics update but I really doubt thats the case

[spring hawk]

that we know of

[cobalt siren]

Ngl though I would love an electronics update

[unborn bough]

Ohm

[cobalt siren]

I'm an irl electronic engineering student

[spring hawk]

Honestly i think its just gonna be the new expedition + space station overhaul, with little bits and bobs around

[sour fossil]

No "that we know of", because we know

[cobalt siren]

Yeah I know they think its because ohms

[spring hawk]

o dam

[dire drum]

Watt are you talking about

[sour fossil]

There are great folks who run diff comparisons on game builds

This one is thanks to Babscoole, one of the key figures in modding scene

[spring hawk]

so did HG just release a nothing update? Someone forgot to commit or something

[cobalt siren]

But I wonder how they'd incorporate ohms and generally realistic electronics into a game while also being mindful that most people dont want to literally be an engineer in games

[heavy light]

I doubt there’s space station overhaul in this update

[sour fossil]

So we are 100% sure the latest experimental patch did not add anything new

[analog breach]

Building quantum computer within nms 😃

[spring hawk]

They did say in the new year's trailer February, with the new station in the background. i think that's pretty strong evidence

[sour fossil]

If no game files were changed / added / removed, it must have been the exe

[cobalt siren]

I mean, if we assume electronic resistance is included in the game then all the other concepts would have to come with it

[heavy light]

Ohm, also symbolized by Ω is the way used to describe the resistance in a given circuit

[unborn bough]

HG has not “updated” anything technically and the loose files don’t have stuff in it, but the exe has. So saying there’s no change is technically wrong but then it’s also not decodable because of the .exe nature.

[sour fossil]

Yeah I can already see HG adding mechanics to make power transfer harder

And cripple all the bases and farms

[dire drum]

It was a joke

[spring hawk]

ehhhhhh you know what they say about overspeculating

[heavy light]

Ah

Well anyways

[sour fossil]

People would totally love that innit

[cobalt siren]

Thats precisely why I'm saying its unlikely

[dire drum]

Because I said “watt” instead of “what”

[heavy light]

I got some use out of my technology class

[cobalt siren]

No way do they include the concepts of voltage, resistance and current into a game

[spring hawk]

fair
Such is the unknowable mind of Sean our lord and saviour

[heavy light]

Omg

I didn’t even recognize that

[cobalt siren]

I wouldnt even necessarily like that either
I mean, why would I want to sit down and do soemthing on a game that I do all day every day?

[unborn bough]

He’s spamming Ω like a child, on X.

[sour fossil]

I mean yeah you're techincally correct

[analog breach]

Just Something to make logic gates and store bits of information

[spring hawk]

yup that's what i said

Unknowable

[cobalt siren]

So I like to think that he put Omega there as "new beginning"

[dire drum]

Sanest thing that’s been said on that platform in recent years

[cobalt siren]

because oemga also means rebirth

[sour fossil]

We just say "nothing was updated" cause for the updates we had seen where patchnotes were like "fixed a crash when ...", only the exe got updated

[unborn bough]

Omega also means the end.

[sour fossil]

Nothing of interest for us modders

[spring hawk]

My strongest theory is that the Omega means the end of the Atlantid arc

[unborn bough]

There are a lot of speculations, as always.

[heavy light]

Omega also is me

I’m in the game

[spring hawk]

but what do i know am i right

[analog breach]

Rebirth of void mother ?

[unborn bough]

Yeah

[sour fossil]

Still, judging from the language files alone, there will be some interesting goodies I look forward to

[cobalt siren]

And, I have speculated amongst myself that in this update they are either going to

• Make it the last major update
• Make it the last major lore update in this game specifically
• Build a new foundation for further updates, essentially giving the game new life to be updated and maintained alongside light no fire

[dire drum]

Awfully short arc then, don’t ya think?

[unborn bough]

It was only a 4 part arc

[cobalt siren]

or hidden option D: It's just a cool word for the update

[unborn bough]

We have already seen 3 of 4 parts

[sour fossil]

On one hand you could argue that it is short, but on the other hand

Do you think majority of players would like to spend another 10 hours or so

[unborn bough]

Whatever the update is, whenever it may arrive it’s gonna put an end to the arc

[spring hawk]

they did say it was only 4 parts. we've had Sentinel, Interceptor and Echoes. Only Omega's left to top it off. not that short

[sour fossil]

Into a quest line that sticks in their mission log to unlock new stuff?

[cobalt siren]

The only thing I want from this update is more interesting space stations tbh

Anything else extra is a big plus

[spring hawk]

completely agree.

[sour fossil]

You see the people's sentiment where they have to do requirements for Echoes quest line

[unborn bough]

What I’m concerned about is whether all of this is just another OMEGA LUL moment by HG.

Sean likes to exaggerate stuff.

[spring hawk]

dont jinx us!

[cobalt siren]

Yeah one of the appeal of nms is that you get to create your own path and way of doing things

[unborn bough]

Jinx

[spring hawk]

dies of death

[heavy light]

No no it’s not
Trust me I’m in the game

In the public release the Starborn poster will be changed into me

[sour fossil]

If Omega were the last update for the game, there would be no point in doing invasive changes to mission structures. They must have plans for the future

[unborn bough]

Good! Go take screenshots for winter sky

[spring hawk]

Thinking that Omega means the end of support feels kinda dumb to me

[sour fossil]

We are seeing foundation elements for new game elements and mechanics

[heavy light]

Homework

[spring hawk]

Sean literally said that 2024's gonna be one of the biggest yet

[zenith perch]

"OMG IS IT THE SUPERFORMULA"???

Every single update lmfao

[heavy light]

And my parents are watching some series on the tv

So I can barely play

[unborn bough]

[heavy light]

But I’ll try to participate

Maybe I can get some play time rn

[unborn bough]

[zenith perch]

God I remember beyond and how they went above and beyond to release like 14 bugfixes within a week

[unborn bough]

Lol yep!

[zenith perch]

How the hell do they get it certified so fast

[unborn bough]

That’s the crazg thing about HG.

[sour fossil]

I mean

[unborn bough]

They are workaholics

[sour fossil]

Even when you plan for release, you know there are some bugs

And you release it anyway knowing you can patch them right after

[zenith perch]

Might have been a bugfix patch in relation to the egg sequencer causing crashing on experimental

[spring hawk]

insanely dedicated

[ripe verge]

Is the freighter bridge bug fixed?

[dense quartz]

Fractal hype was something else.
People legit were expecting an entire new engine that came out like 3 months ago at the time.
Actual rivers, flowing waterfalls, fully permanently destructable planets... I'm not even joking.

Then we got just an expedition. The reaction was... funny.

[sour fossil]

It's not like game development isn't done in a rush caused by deadlines with partners / providers

[unborn bough]

But they are also the people who leave a god damn dog’s pic in the game files, and call things “special_poop” or “fighter_cockA”

[spring hawk]

did they really think that? wow

[dense quartz]

Yep.

I have no idea why.

[spring hawk]

hehe fighter_cockA hehe

i am mature

[sour fossil]

It could be, like I said: most time we observed only the EXE getting updated, it was for fixing crashes

[dense quartz]

OH Experimental got updated!

[sour fossil]

Oh then you'd love to take the look into the game files

[unborn bough]

Didn’t fractal had the version change for Havoc engine?

[spring hawk]

enlighten me

[unborn bough]

The “physics” engine that handles particles and collisions?

[zenith perch]

Its a thing i genuinely dislike about some of the community, they OVERHYPE themselves into complete and utter disappointment

[sour fossil]

It was Echoes actually

One of the patches for it

[dense quartz]

I think that was a patch after Echoes? Or before? Not sure but I believe it wasn't in a major update.

[unborn bough]

Ah, ok.

[zenith perch]

If this update were theoretically just the expedition with minor content additions they'd get legit angry

[unborn bough]

This havoc thing is an engine change but it wasn’t a game engine change…

[zenith perch]

I hope HG don't crunch, I really do

[unborn bough]

Some people just latch on to anything spicy and make it their life’s purpose without understanding one bit about it.

[spring hawk]

i think its expedition + station overhaul and basically it

[spring hawk]

not expecting much

[sour fossil]

There are also comments including swear words in few places

[spring hawk]

amazing

[dense quartz]

What is that?

[spring hawk]

code from NMS

[sour fossil]

That is what coding does to people

[unborn bough]

My little sony

Coding, man!

[spring hawk]

crab bandicoot LOL

[dense quartz]

CreatureStupidName
I love it lol

That's an actual value lmao

[ripe verge]

Is it???

[unborn bough]

Which bridge bug?

[analog breach]

Giant turismo . Wrooom wrooom 🏁

[unborn bough]

Why is this question in spoiler channel?

[heavy light]

If you transfer freighter base from normal to pirate it bugs

[unborn bough]

Oh that!

[heavy light]

That’s why it’s in spoiler channel

[unborn bough]

Dunno if it’s fixed or not.

I haven’t read the entire conversation of the emissaries, yet.

[analog breach]

"Creaturestupidname" 😂

[heavy light]

Is that another wonder name of yours lol

[ripe verge]

freighter transfers your old bridge into the pirate if you transfer the base

And it goes blue light

Instead of red

[analog breach]

Ruined. 0/10 😆

[ripe verge]

Well one can hope that it gets fixed

Worse case scenario i re build my stuff in the frieghter

Which will be pain

[heavy light]

Feature/10

[ripe verge]

Lol makes my freighter unique

[analog breach]

Or hg will add option to color it

[ripe verge]

No like that bridge should not even be there

That entire model is wrong

And so the interior lighting

[unborn bough]

😦

Not only is it wrong it is also clipping

[ripe verge]

How?

I don't see it

[unborn bough]

See the bottom lip of the bridge, that is clipping into the freighter 😦

[ripe verge]

True

Welp it's still experimental

Bugs like these do tend to get fixed

@unborn bough Guess what

The experimental branch update fixed it

Lol

[unborn bough]

Lolol

That’s good to know

[solar turret]

Oh I had this bug
I warped with the dreadnought after claiming it and the bridge turned to normal

But its fixed now

I thought its normal tho lol

[primal oasis]

What happened to the pirate dreadnought missions? I was trying to wraps more than 5 times to recruits more pirate ships to fleets. No luck finding it

[obsidian wraith]

You have to be playing for a specific amount of time to have them happen iirc

[hard stirrup]

Every 3 hours of play and 5 warps you have a capital freighter encounter.

[late tusk]

demanding tribute nets a nice 6M :D

[primal oasis]

Ah

[dusky gazelle]

Experimental updated 2 hours ago. Any idea of changes?

[heavy light]

Bug fixes

[hard stirrup]

No patch notes were posted by Hello Games and it was said earlier that no new files were added. So they are probably just fixing issues to prepare the update for launch, which will probably be Wednesday.

[ripe verge]

MY FREIGHTER BRIDGE FIXED

[uncut harness]

Might make a whole new save to be a pirate in PD

Imagine getting some friends together and warping around in your dreadnaught and taking out ships in peaceful systems

[hard stirrup]

That is nice to know, that they managed to fix the the issues with the bridge. Do you still have your base from the previous freighter?

[ripe verge]

Spawned in that

Cuz that's where I saved last time

Just know you may fall out of your base

So just have some silver ready

To build your bulk head

Rest my base was fine

And my old head returned

[hard stirrup]

Nice! So they fixed the issue that caused helmets to be swapped too. All this pretty much does confirm they are planning to launch the Pirate Freighters ownership feature. Some people yesterday were trying to argue this might not be coming.

[ripe verge]

It's 110% coming

That's why they fixing bugs

Helmet one idk

[cobalt siren]

Looks like a space station sort of

With the omega symbol

(I saw this on twitter and thought it was a funny comparison)

[arctic pivot]

Do the Dreadnought cannons even work against freighters?

[livid zinc]

Steam sale started 🤔

"Buy No Man's Sky
SPECIAL PROMOTION! Offer ends 26 February
-50% £49.99 to £24.99"

[cobalt siren]

❗

[patent shale]

so literally any option then

all 3 of them cover any option that could happen

[heavy light]

I think it’s just gonna be end of this story arc

Maybe start of next

Or maybe station overhaul is start of next story

[late tusk]

is this the same as public branch rn?

the room seems different

[heavy light]

I don’t see anything wrong with it

[late tusk]

🤔

maybe i just never go back here lol

for anyone wondering. just used egg sequencer and did not crash

[sour fossil]

I dont see any changes

[tired fog]

Yay good job 👍

[late tusk]

ok :D

[runic mesa]

FYI, Fractal was a bigger deal for the Switch. That was when the offline Switch Nexus and the non-settlement version of Trace of Metal debuted.

[latent ingot]

Ooooo new pet?

[late tusk]

no i just heard it was making people crash so i wanted to try it

[dense quartz]

This just hit me, what if instead of having an expedition redux at the end of each year, HG will just rerun a random previous expedition during periods where otherwise they'd be silent?
So while they're cooking an update, there's always some expedition for the community to do.

[runic mesa]

That would be great, honestly.

[summer hearth]

i think they should have old expeditions on like a weekly rotation

[sour fossil]

Weekly?

[dense quartz]

I was thinking more like 1-2 months or something. However HG estimates it'll take them to release the next update.

[sour fossil]

Most reduxes took 2 weeks

Also considering switching up server settings every friggin week

To get people matched in the correct systems

[dense quartz]

How much longer until the test expedition ends?

[hard stirrup]

Ends tomorrow I think.

[icy citrus]

<t:1707832800:f> (<t:1707832800:R>)

[dense quartz]

In that case, I think the update will be on Wednesday rather than tomorrow. 🤔

[sour fossil]

Gleam using magic to show time in local format

[hard stirrup]

It's probably a bit too much to hope for the update to go public and the expedition to go live in the public branch immediately after the test ends...but it would be nice.

[icy citrus]

Probably is, but yep - would be excellent

Wednesday or Thursday makes more sense, but I want new stuff

[dense quartz]

17 hours from now is usually the time of day when the update releases.. but I find it too optimistic to think the update will drop as soon as the experimental expedition concludes.

[glass flare]

yeah I'm going to be busy on Valentine's Day, hope the update drops before then 😅

[hard stirrup]

Same. Also can't wait to see if the main update coming alongside the expedition has any more surprises up its sleeves we don't yet know of...probably does.

[dense quartz]

HG would probably want the thing to end so they can get the data for the thing.
But I want the update now dammit!

[sour fossil]

I don't think they will be able to launch straight away

If HG finds some bugs, they might need to send a new build to Sony / MS for certification

Resulting in update getting delayed

[glass flare]

so I've been out of the loop on this test expedition spoilers... are the new stations in there?

[sour fossil]

Not yet

[hard stirrup]

Most of what they wanted from the test was probably the bug reports and to see if anyone's save files disintegrated(which I don't think has happened).

[dense quartz]

I think the only hiccup I saw from other people is that only they complete the expedition, they're unable to use the new terminal since it tells them they have to complete the expedition first.

But you can just go into the main menu screen and pause the expedition that way just fine.

[hard stirrup]

I'm sure they'll have that fixed before too long even if after the public release.

[viral geyser]

Can someone check this

In my end it says 36

[dense quartz]

There's always one hidden video though.
It always gets brought up right before release.

[viral geyser]

I don't even see a hidden video

[dense quartz]

And usually the banner of HG's youtube channel get s brought up as if it's brand new and a clue to an upcoming update, but that image has been there from the very beginning lol.

[sour fossil]

Yeah the topic of unlisted video comes every time

[hard stirrup]

I think the hidden video is something old, been like that for long time iirc. I think at one point someone mentioned what the hidden video was about but I don't remember right now.

[sour fossil]

Yeah it is, just search the phrase "unlisted video" and you will see tons of results

[late tusk]

:(

[hard stirrup]

It is true, there is one unlisted video. Nothing interesting, it's a video showing off terrain editing. And the reason it's unlisted seems to be rather boring...it has no sound. Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5E4CtRVPtQ&ab_channel=HelloGamesTube

[late tusk]

man the game looks so vibrant then

[dense quartz]

It was to show off the feature in the flashy update notes.
Tho I don't understand why they used a yt video and not a gif like every other time.

[zenith perch]

This real or?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGKrImFW4AAgaEh?format=jpg&name=900x900

Says ADEMO if flipped upside down

https://vxtwitter.com/RayReynoldsNMS/status/1757154974843162964

[hard stirrup]

I don't know if that is official art or fanart but the Omega update is real. Upside down probably doesn't mean anything at all even if official. I think this image is from a spanish article but the article didn't report on anything official...just all the stuff we already know from the experimental.

[glass flare]

it doesn't really remind me of the type of typography HG likes to use

I guess I should avoid NMS youtubers if I don't want to be spoiled on the plot of the new expedition eh?

[analog breach]

Look like fanart

[spice gorge]

My old head did not return with today's Exp update...

[flat jetty]

What's this on?

[glass flare]

pretty sure that's on Instagram

[uncut harness]

If that's the omega banner I'm thinking we won't get stations

And it'll be an expedition mostly

[spice gorge]

Has anyone noted at the end of the expedimental expedition whether or not the award ship is avial only in the save from which the expedition was kicked off OR on ALL saves you have going?

[snow stream]

I started a new save for the expedition and I was able to claim it on my normal save afterwards

[honest hamlet]

Doing the experiment save and doing the omeg expedition for a while and in the corner it says expedition trial time is going to expire soon ( or something like this lol) what does this mean?

[snow stream]

This current expedition was a test run for allowing people to use existing saves to do an expedition
Once this trial ends, the full expedition will run like normal for all platforms, the current assumption is that the update and full expedition will arrive this Wednesday

[late tusk]

Ngl ill be kinda dissapointed

[snow stream]

I think that’s the real text logo, but not the real image
Feels too… flat, static

And unless there’s more features to go with owning pirate freighters, having it as the hero of the update banner feels like a really weird choice

[hard stirrup]

It's a claimable reward from the quicksilver bot so it's a reward for all saves.

[dense quartz]

How very ominous.

I wonder if the art for NMS will be updated if we get new space stations, cause the Echoes one features the current look of them.

Kinda gives me the feeling new space stations were meant to be ready for Echoes but got pushed back. Why else include the current space stations in the art?

[dense quartz]

Apparently the logo is real but not the art.

[uncut harness]

It all looks fan made

Pretty sure Ray is a modder

[dense quartz]

Well a dude in the post said he made that pic, but found the logo in the game files.

[snow stream]

I had a feeling that's what the case was, usually the official screenshots/art/etc have like, something actively happening
flying in to a derelict, or flying past the screen, etc

[dense quartz]

Dude just imagine how insane the official art could look if it had a pirate freighter and new space stations in one shot.

[primal oasis]

Before owning pirate dreadnought was known, I was even going for senstial dreadnought since there was no options at a time, but now..? NMS developers made the life better by adding that option since I’m a pirate guy.

[sour fossil]

There is a texture in game files with the Omega label in this font

The font is a modified version of Recharge font

HG picks existing fonts and modifies individual glyphs

But this poster looks fan made

This is from game files

[ripe verge]

Oof

Mine did

[mental socket]

odd that they're including the omega logo in game files. Do they do this for all the logos?

I haven't seen this happen with any other update

[hard stirrup]

Great stuff that you got it fixed but this is typically why I stay away from early access and I don't typically recommend early access to people...there are terrible bugs and issues that might not get patched for everyone. Always better to wait for public release imo.

[hard stirrup]

I mean any logo that exists in game has a file associated with it. But we basically never get to see any of this stuff before an update hits public release.

[cursive wedge]

maybe its to mess with the dataminers a little

[sour fossil]

I don't think so

This is the 1st time something like this got dug up

For other updates I did the work of researching and matching the fonts to get the text for my splash screen mods

[viral geyser]

the logo is real

[ripe verge]

can confirm it fights for u

[glass flare]

"fights"

[viral geyser]

dude has been spamming his dreadnuaght for the past 2 days

[spring hawk]

Maybe a placeholder
Like they havent finalized it yet and just made a proof of concept

[sour fossil]

Yup, that could be the case

Still, I think knowing the font used is handy

Once we get the proper name, we can make our own graphics for it with the right font

[hard stirrup]

Does it actually fight, as in targets enemy ships nearby if you call it before combat? Or is that bug where it kept firing into nothing?

[hard stirrup]

I don't mind the pictures, got some good info from seeing them like knowing the stat ranges are basically the same as the other freighters, and if it really does fight for the player they'd be better than other freighters. Good to have as much info as possible before release.

[glass flare]

I would be very happy if they made freighters more capable in assisting us and/or full-scale fleet battles. but I won't be holding my breath... I imagine the AI will work the same as existing freighters

[dense quartz]

A fan made it. He wrote in that post he did it for some LNF theory but the logo itself is real.

[ripe verge]

It shot in the enemies ship

[wind panther]

Yeah, normally experimental is just early hotfix releases, not actual beta or experimental. This and living ships are the only times it's happened, I think.

Normally experimental is actually more safe and stable than public

[dense quartz]

One nifty thing I really appreciate is that in the experimental build, ships finally have a screen animation for taking off.

[sour fossil]

With each passing day Im more pissed at HG

They could have easily given us the next round of QS research

We haven't had anything for a month, now it will be blocked for another month due to community research milestones

[hard stirrup]

This is completely wrong. At the absolute best of times Experimental is the same build as public which makes them equally safe, but aside from major launches the experimental branch is always behind the public build, running untested patches before they are considered safe for public release. Now if there is nothing wrong then you get a patch a bit early, but that is a big IF, most of the time experimental is designed to run head in to the worst bugs so that HG get to find out if anything exploded your save files...which is the exact opposite of safe. Also experimental saves are never guaranteed to be recoverable. Experimental is absolutely NOT the place to be if you want your progress and saves to be safe.

[wind panther]

You're completely misguided on this, but I don't think I'll change your mind, so you do you 🙂

[hard stirrup]

My main save has over 6000 hours on it, has migrated to now the third system since launch. I started playing it about half hour after the game unlocked on release day back in 2016.

I KNOW how to protect my progress and saves.

[wind panther]

I don't think getting into any kind of measuring contest is going to prove either of us right. I'll just leave at that.

How to protect your progress and saves is to make backups. I don't think we'll disagree about that at least

[civic badge]

Oh! On that note, I noticed while backing up my save they have specific numbers (paired for Man/Auto). Is there a way to change there numbers without using third party software? I'm guessing I can't just rename them, and plan to attempt deleting one save to either man/auto save into a new slot, but that has potential issues depending how it determines the number

[summer hearth]

update got me feeling like dehydrated spongebob

[wind panther]

You mean the tag on the end of the save file name? Are you wanting to replace your manual with the auto or vice-versa?

[civic badge]

No, the file number. I have 1/2, 3/4, 7/8, and a few in the 20's. I just want to bring them all down to lower numbers and move some around. It's just a minor peeve tbh

[wind panther]

Right, you mean like these?

[civic badge]

Yes, annd I think you already answer one question for me as you have missing manual saves? Or did they just move?

[wind panther]

I believe odd numbers are 'manual' saves and even numbers are auto saves and renaming them would move them up in the list, if that's what you mean. Though unless you are running with mods, the saves aren't sorted anywhere in game by file number, but rather last saved

Some of those games haven't been opened in years 🙂

I think 5/6 is my main test save

[civic badge]

Okay so I think they will always be paired then, form what I understood the odd number is the autosave (often would be the first) and it adds 1 for the manual save

[wind panther]

It will take me a minute as I'm on my old laptop, but I'll load up and let you know

I'll load slot 3 and wait for it to auto-save and tell you which one updates the timestamp

[civic badge]

👍

[wind panther]

My modpack puts them in slot order so I always know which one I'm loading up, so it's easy for me to test

odd is the auto-save

yeah, even manual

[civic badge]

did you get save4?

[wind panther]

No, my third save slot - save5 updated automatically on movement. save6 updated on ship exit

[civic badge]

🤔

[wind panther]

I'll load up slot 2 and have it create save4, one second

Ah, that's a permadeath save, that's one there's only one

[civic badge]

I think permadeath can now have 2 also

[wind panther]

Yeah, but I hadn't loaded it in a year 🙂 Exiting ship created save4 in slot 2

We should move to #nms-questions or #nms-modding if we want to continue this discussion, though

[civic badge]

I can yolo some stuff in a bit, I'll leave it there. I appreciate the help, thank you 🙂

[wind panther]

Ping me if you need anything else

[sour fossil]

@wind panther you on experimental now? could you test something for me?

[wind panther]

Sure

[sour fossil]

Add something to the Wonder catalogue by pinning it and check the pop-up window (in the Wonders page)

it should include galaxy name now

[civic badge]

It does indeed

under the portal address

[sour fossil]

cool, thanks

[civic badge]

Now for more wonder slots eh? 😄

[wind panther]

Like this?

I didn't pin anything though

[sour fossil]

Yeah I didnt know if it would work for old wonders or just for new ones

So I assumed it's better to go through the full procedure

[wind panther]

Hmm, this gives me an idea to further prove to people nothing outside galaxies 0-255 actually exists

[sour fossil]

Also the folks dabbling in rev-eng

A new place to start looking into how and where galaxy name can be displayed

[wind panther]

The only doubts I really have are if anything existed in years 1-3. I'm very confident they didn't, but I can't prove it as I tested at the end of year 3

And I'm not going to load up old game versions just for that "told you so" 🙂

[sour fossil]

Also in case of expedition mode, this pop up should also list during which expedition this object was found

[wind panther]

oh, interesting

[sour fossil]

(at least that's what the text entry for this field suggests)

But I think it's plausible given how HG seems to be on a way to "merge" expeditions with regular gameplay

[gritty falcon]

update got leaked?

[civic badge]

Is there something you have in mind? The catalogue is about the only thing shared between main and expedition. However in this expedition the content still exists outside of the expedition

[heavy light]

No

It was released on experimental patch

[gritty falcon]

oh

good to know

..I don't play on steam

[wind panther]

I think they'll make some last minute changes when it hits public, but we don't know for sure

[heavy light]

Yeah

[wind panther]

There might be some more features like ship customization or version 2 of space stations, but I really doubt it

An expedition, a new unique ship, ownable pirate freighters, being able to start expeditions on an existing save, and quite a few changes to the save file structure seem like enough to me.

[heavy light]

That feels more like a summer update thing tbh

[wind panther]

And that's assuming they include everything from experimental in public, which seems likely

Along with a Twitch campaign, I believe. I think the Twitch rewards file got updated. Let me look

[summer hearth]

the new update better have greg heffley

[sour fossil]

Yeah there are new Twitch products

[gritty falcon]

A new unique ship?

Sorry I’m not too caught up on this

[wind panther]

Yeah, for the expedition. Hover racer. I forget the in-game name. Starseed Spawned or something like that

[gritty falcon]

Huh.

[civic badge]

tis the ship from the trailer

[wind panther]

I only have a modded picture to share unfortunately

[gritty falcon]

i thought that was a normal fighter?

[sour fossil]

Starborn Runner I think it was called

[wind panther]

Here's a re-skinned version. The normal one is red and light grey#nms-modding message

[civic badge]

i think it is a fighter yes, unique model though

[wind panther]

It's an exotic this time, actually

[heavy light]

All expedition rewards this time

[heavy light]

Starborn Runner

[wind panther]

Thanks

[gritty falcon]

Awesome

[wind panther]

oh, hah, I think those were my own screenshots weren't they?

[heavy light]

Probably

I just

Yoink

[wind panther]

No worries, just funny since I said I didn't have a screenshot

[small geode]

Starborn title has a ring

Nothings topping worm lord 🪱

[civic badge]

I didn't notice the teal eye on one of the atlas' in the poster, i wonder if that represents the anomaly(traveler)

[summer hearth]

i need that flightpack, helmet, and scepter

gonna cosplay as an atlas fanatic

though i dont know how dedicated ill be to completing the expedition

since i play on relaxed

and suck at the game

[full peak]

When update dropping

?

[summer hearth]

in the future

[wind panther]

Best guess is around lunch-time Wednesday, UK time

But it's just a guess

I'd say 24 to 28 hours from now?

[summer hearth]

it will drop sometime in the next -KZZZKT- hours

[wind panther]

Very likely

[dense quartz]

One wonder QoL feature I'd love to see is when you activate a portal, instead of entering an address, you can just click on a planet from your wonders to automatically have the portal go there.

[past shuttle]

Yeah my guess is tomorrow too, of the last 4 or 5 updates, all but one of them dropped on a wednesday i think

[wind panther]

I was thinking they were on Thursday, but someone rightly corrected me with a list of dates and they are almost always on Wednesdays the past two years

I didn't look back past that

[spring hawk]

probably wednesday-thursday

[wind panther]

I definitely remember they tend to happen between 11am and 2pm HG time

[spring hawk]

we lie in wait

[analog breach]

|| worst case scenario . Next wednesday ||

[spring hawk]

Well, 11am GMT is only 10 minutes away so...

[spring hawk]

I don't think HG'll delay it that much. They usually release the update same week as emoji tweet

[wind panther]

It was @knotty mountain that corrected me, to give credit where it is due

[analog breach]

They still need to implement bug fixes from experimental exp "beta test"

[wind panther]

I think they've been implementing those throughout the test. There were three, I think, updates since the initial experimental release

two mbin updates and one exe update. Might have been three mbin updates

[spring hawk]

possible

[civic badge]

Other than an issue with someones old helmet I don't think there is anything unfixed

[wind panther]

Meh, no one cares about an old helmet! jk

[spring hawk]

so they probably fixed the major bugs with experimental by now?

[analog breach]

I hope they did

[wind panther]

I think so, but I can't say for sure

We're all just guessing 🙂

As always

[spring hawk]

Trust in Sean

🙏

[wind panther]

Or whomever is on the 'team' right now. No one knows and they don't get enough respect

I think Sean just takes a PM role currently

[spring hawk]

HG is really doing Gods work over there

[spring hawk]

He's the face of the company, kinda like Gabe for Valve

[wind panther]

I think he does more than Gabe does, significantly more

[spring hawk]

Yeah, but role-wise

they are the same

[wind panther]

I think he still does programming work, though

[spring hawk]

Yup, heard he works on LNF

[wind panther]

yeah, I would expect that

He probably gets called in every other day when they can't figure out how the cobbled together NMS code works 😛

[spring hawk]

i remember reading that he mainly switched off the NMS team, but is still giving the direction of the game and whatnot, but coding wise on LNF

[wind panther]

They've had so many short-term programmers sticking their fingers in that thing for over 10 years, it's got to be a mess

[spring hawk]

Like most video games

spaghetti

[wind panther]

Actually, from what we see in the modding community, it's definitely a mess

[spring hawk]

Cant really blame HG, they wrote the base when they were very small and not with that big of a budget compared to now

[wind panther]

There's at least one of those classic code comments that says 'we don't know why this is here but it needs to be, don't touch it!'

[spring hawk]

The coconut

[wind panther]

Yeah, I think they started with 3, including Sean, then up to six soon after.

[spring hawk]

That's to be expected

What can you expect, even HL:Alyx has code from the original Quake, once the base is there it's not going anywhere

[wind panther]

hah, good point

[past shuttle]

Has the expedition ended over on experimental?

[wind panther]

if not, it will soon

Aaaand, internal update a minute ago

[civic badge]

I think it's due to end in about 3 hours

[dense quartz]

Imagine the update releasing like a moment after the expedition ends.
Totally not gonna happen tho.

[civic badge]

I guess we also get to test how post expedition transfering works 😄

I think I'm going to backup again on that note, I think there is a lot of potential for filedeath

[dense quartz]

Is it worth even doing the community progress through the expedition?
I mean I assume the progress is just gonna get wiped when the update drops.

[civic badge]

I reckon that will start over for sure, as I would imagine we'll get new systems and a longer expedition in the live version. We did complete the first one, and the rest were about 25% when I closed the expedition

[spring hawk]

Totally not gonna happen tho.

imagine if

[hard stirrup]

Nah, Sean already dropped the emoji, worst case scenario is this friday but almost certainly tomorrow.

[icy citrus]

I'm not expecting it, but I'm not ruling it out either

[dense quartz]

If those space stations aren't in this update.. I'm gonna deflate.

[hard stirrup]

Not likely indeed but I have just done my daily quicksilver quest and my saves are backed up so if the expedition were to drop today I don't have to worry about that.

[civic badge]

I think it's gonna be later in the year tbh

[hard stirrup]

No. Sean already dropped the emoji so it is really close to launch.

[icy citrus]

Probably means stations

[past shuttle]

Yoooo wait yeah, internal update just 16 mins ago

[civic badge]

I was responding to Vrabo, sorry

[past shuttle]

Trying to keep my hype in check, as it might just be the expedition

[icy citrus]

Very possible

[hard stirrup]

Stations yeah. Those are probably coming later...at the very least we have no solid evidence they could be in this update.

[civic badge]

I knnow it would be cool to get unspoiled content, but the stations probably have to be tested first

[hard stirrup]

Could be an experimental patch. But would be hype if update drops today.

[dense quartz]

;_;

[icy citrus]

Not testing has never stopped them before

[dense quartz]

Imagine teasing new space stations and ship, only to release the ship but not the space stations.
Sean plz don't.

[cobalt siren]

I think the space stations will come this update

[hard stirrup]

I don't think so. HG never had major updates tested like this before and this was only the case because it changes save file structure and how saves can link together. I don't expect they'll do any testing for stations.

[zenith perch]

Honestly, never say never

[civic badge]

tis most likely to close exp12 and test transfering items after it's finished (100% speculation though as they haven't said we get a period after to do so)

[dense quartz]

Their procedural exteriors have been leaked like a year ago and they looked pretty much finished.
We got a glimpse of the interiors, and we don't know what new content they have, but I think they've had a lot of time to test them out at this point.

[civic badge]

I just feel there is potential for a lot of issues, this is my first time on experimental. It's just my opinion, personally I wouldn't risk it given the history of the game

[uncut harness]

Pretty sure this update is mainly an expedition

[spring hawk]

I remember those.

They're beautiful

Brings a tear to my eye

[hard stirrup]

That's just not how Hello Games operate though. This was almost certainly a one off situation that won't likely repeat probably ever.

[dense quartz]

I mean.. look at them. What a comparison to what we have right now..
I NEED THEM.

[civic badge]

I would hope so!

I'm excited for the new kiosk mostly, I'm hoping it'll allow small personalisation (like Exocrafts), but I'm also a big fan of the layout we saw in the trailer

[icy citrus]

I'm excited for the new ship - I'm really hopeful they up the ship count soon

[ripe verge]

Will outlaw look like these too?

[crude sand]

Yesh please 🥹

[dense quartz]

Yeah it's really smart to have the landing pads away from the market place, and have vendors in the center of the station.
I wonder if the two sides of the stations will also have short ranged teleporters.

[wind panther]

The only problems with the stations are the need for a new entry tube and some alignment. Otherwise, they work well as is. Of course, if they change the whole interior to match some of the trailer shots, they will need to do more work

[icy citrus]

@wind panther you got an orange skin for that star runner?

[dense quartz]

My hope is yes. And I weirdly hope that abandoned stations stay the same for historical purposes.

[wind panther]

Not yet, but I can. Orange and white, right?

[icy citrus]

That would be lovely

[wind panther]

I've only done two

Was driving and on a ferry most of the past two days

[icy citrus]

Road trip

[wind panther]

Indeed, Jeju

[cobalt siren]

Have u noticed how much better the colours are in space

I feel like this is more than just new space stations

[dense quartz]

How do you mean?

[cobalt siren]

Maybe it's playing tricks on my mind because of the sheer greatness of the new stations, but I'm sure the colours have more contrast and depth

[dense quartz]

I noticed in the teaser that the new space station interiors have better lighting at least. 🤔

Ahh.

Those screenshots are like from a year ago though.

[cobalt siren]

Also the fact that these stations are procedural really excited me

[wind panther]

It's just the textures and materials, no engine changes

Current engine creates the same appearances

[analog breach]

Imagine internal proc gen station layout

[wind panther]

They did add a new material effect in the experimental, but I have yet to really see the difference: parallax occlusion mapping

It's used on the ship in the decals and paint

[dense quartz]

I just hope there's no more sunlight shining through walls in interiors.. I really hate that in NMS.
Makes you wonder if HG crafts their scenes to avoid showing it, or if they're just lucky and don't show it off.
...Though there's been times where they accidentally showed off bugs that they didn't catch lol.

[wind panther]

I think they are only partially aware of that issue

They probably need to tweak the materials shadow settings

I do think the modelling person they hired last year is really good, though

[dense quartz]

It's in almost every interior in the game.. space stations, freighters, bases, outposts, frigates..
Only place where you don't see the sun shine through walls is the anomaly and derelict freighters.

[dense quartz]

Yeah it feels like they hired a few people who are great at models and game design and let them basically take over NMS. I love it lol.

[prime inlet]

@jade abyss did you select the correct milestone?

[jade abyss]

can anyone help me find the black hole for the wexpedition i asked nada but that didnt help

yes

[prime inlet]

what does the related mission hint lower right of your HUD say you need to do?

[civic badge]

Polo is usually the blackhole guy, but I was able to achieve this in 2 runs by just going to one myself and no dialog prior. There was at least 4 within' 500ly radius

1 notably close to the atlas station

[prime inlet]

i think that after talking to nada on the way to the first atlas station, galaxy map starts displaying them

but the black hole milestone hint should direct the player to see Polo

[jade abyss]

i talked to polo and the milestone is selected and still does not show the path to black hole

[civic badge]

🤔 can you see any of the blackholes though?

[dense quartz]

Why are black holes called black holes? They're worm holes... 😔

[prime inlet]

have you completed the first atlas station milestone?

[civic badge]

tis the purple swirlything

[icy citrus]

Just like irl

[jade abyss]

yeah i dont see any of those sysmbols on the map

[civic badge]

do you see the atlas marker? (red one)

[analog breach]

Nobody found any worms there tho

[prime inlet]

select the first atlas station milestone, progress it

[dense quartz]

Sean what are you doing adding jelly fish inside asteroids? You have to plop worms in holes. The canon demands it!

[hard stirrup]

Well the new internal has not yet hit experimental...worth keeping an eye on. IF this is for public release it will be in two hours.

[cobalt siren]

Oh sweet

How do you know? Is there precident?

[jade abyss]

i made few jumps following green line about 500 ly but no black hole anywhere

[dense quartz]

I keep thinking the update will be tomorrow since HG might want to wait for the expedition test to finish so they get data on how the thing went or something.

[civic badge]

if you can't see any, as bk201 is sugesting I think you need to somehow progress something on the Anomoly to see them

Have you completed the first set of milestones?

[wind panther]

minor correction: precedent. But no, there's no known pattern for internal -> experimental updates

[hard stirrup]

Well we know that the update is coming this week because Sean tweeted the usual Emoji teaser this past weekend, and you can track game updates through SteamDB...new internal uploaded about an hour ago. It could just be a new experimental patch but it doesn't usually take this long to go to experimental branch from internal so this might be the public release.

[snow stream]

its entirely possible its today, but there have also been internal updates a few days before launch before, and with the active experimental test, that just muddies things more

the only thing we know is that we have no idea what hello games is planning

as usual

[wind panther]

Internal is used by HG...internally of course. Sometimes they push it to experimental for us to test. Sometimes they push both internal and experimental at the same time. Sometimes they push experimental and public at the same time. Sometimes they push all three at the same time. No pattern

[hard stirrup]

Sure we do. We know they are planning to launch this week. And we know a good chunk of the content even though it's possible we don't know all of it.

[flat jetty]

The expedition ends around the same time that updates usually release

2 hours

[wind panther]

Xbox and PS updates can either precede or follow experimental and/or public updates, but they (I think) always follow internal updates.

GoG is alwas behind, AFAIK

Tuesday has only been an update day I think once in the past two years

I'd need to go back and double-check the calendar

Same for Friday. Usually Thursday, sometimes Wednesday, rarely other days

[analog breach]

Thats part of child of helios life cycle

[hard stirrup]

Xbox has typically been consistently late, I don't think Xbox ever had the jump on Steam. Playstation and Steam tend to go 1st about 50/50.

[cobalt siren]

I'd imagine steam has the highest player base so it would be a priority

[wind panther]

Could be, I don't recall exactly. I know some release trailers have gone live on xbox early, but not sure about actual updates

[dense quartz]

I still have no clue why a gigantic jelly feesh is considered to be the offspring of tree man.

[wind panther]

I wish we knew those numbers

[cobalt siren]

Usually it's pretty consistent across games