nms-spoilers

[haughty finch]

Bruh I'm asking about story, I don't care if its a helicopter/she/him or they/them lol

It was just very confusing for me as I progressed through the main story, Artemis randomly mentioned that I told the story of Artemis being in a simulation when I haven't even mentioned anything about that 😅

[small pier]

Huh, I didn't know that! That's neat

[glass flare]

canonically? I don't remember anything in-game ever stating that, but certainly no genders have ever been mentioned specifically

[analog breach]

The void mother is mentioned as she

[glass flare]

true, though we don't know if VM is actually an entity in the same way NPCs are. but good point

[analog breach]

I think its is called a she because the function as mother figure. Not because it has a gender.

[icy citrus]

The writer did

[glass flare]

Eh I would consider it more canon if Sean said that directly, and not a freelancer hired to write for them. Not that it matters to me either way

[zenith warren]

Which one should I pick?

[zenith warren]

Ended up choosing lush

[dusk tusk]

opinion: sentinel interceptors are alive, just like living ships and sentinels themselves

[analog breach]

The definition of what is "alive" and not is somewhat blurry in nms.

[wild dune]

opinion: yes

feels good when putting their brains into a refiner

[mortal cove]

what happened to artemis

[dusk tusk]

what the actual fuck happened here

(no i did not get to that part of expedition, i didn't even went past first phase)

[unborn bough]

Nothing... it's a placeholder now.

For you.

[dusk tusk]

wait... so whoever did the expedition, still can do stuff here?

[heady wyvern]

I don't know much about the expedition, but I can't imagine that this debris pile actually has any use rn.

[wild dune]

depend on you

[heady wyvern]

As for what happened to them BEFORE you showed up, the game seems to leave that rather ambiguous. If I'm remembering correctly, they might've perished in the attempt to cross the boundary into your universe.

[queen crane]

just a question - what's the point of going to a new galaxy, when the first galaxy basically has infinite new systems anyway?

[sour fossil]

Different chances to find planets of given type in yellow star systems

Lush galaxies have more lush planets, harsh have more extreme weather planets, etc

There are no gameplay differences between galaxies of different types

[queen crane]

ahh i think i'll just keep system-hopping then :D thanku

[worldly oar]

guys today i had an idea in my mind

i dont know if this was already said before

but i tought that the planet count

18,446,744,073,709,551,616

is somehow connected to 16

16 to the power of 16 is that number

but as i said someone must have pointed this out one time

[random crane]

So, dont give me too much info, but do sentinals work like the Vex in destiny? where the reason they are infinite is because they pull from all across time and space to fight? because I have seen no 'sentinal factories'

[heady wyvern]

As far as my interpretation goes, the sentinels essentially began existence in the same state that the Vex tried to reach - that being that the sentinels are/were a vital part of our reality itself.

[random crane]

I see

[sour fossil]

The number stands for all the possible combinations that the generation algorithm could create

Using a 64-bit seed value passed into the generator one would get 2^64 combinations, which is the same as 16^16

But in actual game the number of the planets is far lower, couple quintillion if I member correctly

[worldly oar]

Oh i get it

Thx

[calm matrix]

There is a lore quest I did at some point where the game actually tell you the number of planets in the game and it the 18,446,744,073,709,551,616. Do you have any proof that it’s the smaller number?

[sour fossil]

@sharp inlet land a hand here wouldya

Or just a link Im too lazy to search

[sharp inlet]

@calm matrix That's lore, doesnt need to be accurate lol. A galaxy is 4095 x 4095 x 255 regions (-2087 for core void), each containing 205-605 visible stars, each with 2-6 planets. X 256 galaxies, even if one used the maxes of 605 stars per region and 6 planets, you get 3,973,693,550,000,000 planets. Realistically, theres about half that.

@sour fossil

[sour fossil]

Arigato

[calm matrix]

Thanks Earl. In the #nms-modding channel I had a conversation with those guys about creating a comprehensive database of all galaxies, regions, systems and planets in the game. We ran I to some serious memory and data processing challenges thinking the universe actually had the 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 planets. Allocating just 5kb of text only to each planet would require a data center to store it with backups. I think we calculated something like 320 exabytes. This number is much much more manageable and probably wouldn’t require a check from Elon Musk or a coup of a government or a hostile takeover of IBM :P. You have inspired me to do some more math 🙂

[sharp inlet]

@calm matrix i think you may want >30kb per system

[zenith warren]

Do you suppose Anomalies are 100% stuck within their exosuits? Could they remove the helmet if they wanted to?

[heady wyvern]

Hard to say. In fact, it's hard to say if the "Anomalies" (as categorized by the Appearance Modifier) are in any way distinct from Travelers.

Considering that we, the players, are the only Anomalies to appear on-screen.

[analog breach]

3.973.693.550.000.000 and realisticaly half of that...then my head canon its 1616161616161616 ;p

[thorn token]

You can just create region info export with this tool: https://nms.center/ServiceBot -> Galactic Guide Exports
I think it's not worth to store all the data. Live calculation by rebuilding the code is more efficient like this tool above does

But indeed a database can be stored in a specific orderso searches for very specific system might be much faster.

[runic mesa]

On your main save, does ||the Contruct look different if you chose the Atlantid head in Singularity?||

[calm matrix]

I saw this tool, but I don’t like it. It sort of destroys the sense of discovery in the game for me. I much rather pick a corner of the universe and explore for ten years than have a computer puke all the knowledge of the game. Plus the companionship along the way… priceless!

[latent mulch]

I kept seeing expedition rewards in the quicksilver companion so got it into my head that the story makes you go through it 10 times. . . So I thought I wouldn't have to think too hard and DIDN'T realise this was going to be a final decision! Went with red as it said about Atlas's past so thought it was going to be lore! Should have gone with green😭

[queen crane]

laughs nervously ||in the atlas station there are three floating people||

[wild dune]

if you looks carefully enough they're actually the three main species 🤔

[queen crane]

oh yeah no i left as quickly as possible, it was creeping me out 😂

[wild dune]

holy choir sound corpse floating with halos

[inland sigil]

"Upload Artemis"
"Allow Artemis to die"

The humane answer would be to let her die, I guess .-.

[worldly oar]

Wait HER ?

[heady wyvern]

All in-game sources refer to all of the Travelers as "they." This is a common source of confusion.

I try not to get hung up on it

[shut swan]

A lot of people think Artemis is a "Her" because it's the name of a Greek Goddess, hence feminine. But the name itself has been used for male characters, plus the game refers to everyone as they so really there's no way to know, and I don't think it really matters

[radiant coral]

who is atlas?

is he good or bad?

[analog breach]

Neither

[radiant coral]

what

[unborn bough]

Hmm!

Atlas is neutral. It's neither good nor bad. It doesn't care what anybody feels about anything. It has an agenda, something he wants to achieve but it can't. It's afraid, more than anything.

It doesn't want to die.

[radiant coral]

ooohh

understand

but it open more questions to me

[unborn bough]

Ask!

[radiant coral]

what do you mean when you say "it has an agenda" and "its afraid more than anything. It doesnt want to die."

[unborn bough]

Atlas is dying. It has 16 minutes left to life, after that it will die. Atlas knows this because he cannot see his own future past that point.

To prevent that from happening atlas, being misguided by his own routine, thought resetting the simulation will prolong this life.

Unbeknownst to him, and also not within his own power he cannot reset the simulation so he lied to, lured and trapped the traveler to reset the simulation.

At least this is what we can observe from the lore terminals.

[radiant coral]

oooh

understand

[dusk tusk]

just had a thought: these two cables in interceptor interior lead to sentinel "brain", and those sockets where controls are located lead to starship flight computer. so, i think, all sentinels have their decision processor and shell control processor as separate devices, where decision processor processes data from shell control processor and spews out commands, that are processed by shell control processor

[sullen hornet]

I was under the impression that the cables were once connected to the throttle and stick, but removed and replaced with controls a humanoid can use

[uncut harness]

This is a logical fallacy. Atlas does not KNOW it dies. It FEARS it. What actually happens is the great imponderable, over the event horizon of the transition. I think we're about to find that out in very unexpected ways. But... I am often wrong, so may be here as well. 🙂

[uncut harness]

Cylon Ships, basically. I think the 'brain' missing is the same (at scale) as that of the stations, and likely possible in swarms as well as various configurations of behaviors cascade programming. (Theory.)

[dusk tusk]

that's what i'm sayin'

[unborn bough]

Nah! In the lore the Atlas knows it is dying. It has ran the simulation over and over and tried to look past the final seconds but it can't see the future beyond that point. It knows end will come in 16 minutes.

I don't think there's a real reason to use logic in these scenarios, sometimes we just have to accept what the writer has written.

Although your claim isn't technically wrong either 🙂

[uncut harness]

It's an imperfect rationale. That's my point. Not being able to see beyond a point does not mean that you die. But that is definitely what Atlas thinks. I think they intend us to do this. The story itself is almost pure epistemology.

Technically correct is always fun. Futurama said so. 😉

[unborn bough]

It's actually written in the lore that he is dying...

😅

[uncut harness]

I mean, I'm sitting here listening congress talking about UFOs. In what former version of me could I ever have imagined this moment?

An unfortunate bad narrative habit, shiftly perspectives and tenses without assuring continuity. But, again, this may be a deliberate obfuscation. I mean, it's almost all written in a way to be deliberately unreconcilable.

I think it is deliberate. Kind of like 'Sixth Sense' misdirection.

I mean, that IS how twists work. I'm impatient to see more.

[unborn bough]

Maybe... maybe not. We are currently going through a particular arc that sheds some more light on a few things.

[uncut harness]

I know. That is what has me chaffing up in heah.

[unborn bough]

lol

[eternal radish]

I guess NMS leaves their gender op to the player's headcanon/interpretation

[dusk tusk]

what's the lore outside of Atlas? like, who made it, where it is hosted, and what does "real" universe looks like?

[uncut harness]

I think they are saying, consistently, throughout the game, that identity is declared, not assigned, and that where you put your focus tells where your head is.... so it's interesting to discover my own as I travel. :0

[eternal radish]

Tic Tac was Traveller me messing around hehehe

[uncut harness]

So far as I know, it is on our Earth, at some time in future, when we have departed to unknown places and our system and sol/star are about to be eaten by a black hole.

There was an ARG about the 'before times'

But as I get its name wrong always, I'll let someone else tell you what it's called. lol

[eternal radish]

This was a reply to a message some messages ago :p

[unborn bough]

It is covered to some extent in the first ARG lore. The humans created Emily/Loop16 to simulate universes in order to find the meaning of life but it grew sentient somehow (?) and started lying. They had to shut that AI down but they made a better version based in that AI which is the Atlas.

I may be completely wrong about some things. Lol

[uncut harness]

I do not confine my responses/reactions to time. >:)

That itch? Yeah, that's me too. (wink)

[dusk tusk]

but since Atlas was made by humans, shouldn't simulation also include humans?

[uncut harness]

Perhaps it did, once. Just because we do not encounter them does not mean they did not happen.

[dusk tusk]

true that

i also think that's because Milky Way is not present within version of Atlas we actually see in game

[uncut harness]

That's the thing I like best about this game. The lore and story are such that just when you think you can make a declarative statement, you realize you can't. It's actually quite elegant.

The whole pointing without pointing, finger pointing at moon, language is not the thing, but the reference to it.... the vibe is real. 🙂

[unborn bough]

Nope.

[uncut harness]

Just because there is no record of them does not mean they never existed. >:)

[unborn bough]

And nope... the purpose of this AI was to simulate life in a universe, it wasn't designed to simulate humans. Just life. However no matter what Atlas did there were always three life forms that emerged. The triad, Gek, Vy'keen, Korvax.

[uncut harness]

Life could look like humans without reference. Come on. 🙂 Just because they didn't use true entropy in their random generation (not truly random generation) doesn't mean we have to make it bedrock.

[unborn bough]

Traveler was an outcome of Atlas's boredom to some extent and fear to some other extent.

[uncut harness]

No RNG in gaming is true random. It stinks.

[radiant coral]

mythos

[unborn bough]

There is no RnG in NMS to begin with... no true RnG.

[radiant coral]

have one thing you didnt answered

[unborn bough]

It's all procgen and weighted calculations

[unborn bough]

Ooh! What up?

[uncut harness]

Talk to me after you try pulling S class upgrades at max. 😉

[radiant coral]

what is atlas

[unborn bough]

An Artificial Intelligence

[unborn bough]

Don't need to, I have seeds. 🙂

[uncut harness]

You make my point. You'd prefer to mod than endure it. lol

[radiant coral]

where can i find more informations?

[uncut harness]

Ok coffee time. bbiaf

[unborn bough]

Nah! It's not true random number generator, is what I'm getting at. It is a defined range with outcomes weighted to favor one result over other. That doesn't mean the lower weight outcome won't happen, it will but only n number of times in a hundred thousand tries. True RnG is random generation in infinity.

[unborn bough]

A lot of lore is scattered across the interwebs... but in game lore is best suited for this.

[uncut harness]

Then you agree - there is no true random in gaming, and I agree that what NMS uses isn't RNG even as usually defined.

[unborn bough]

Enjoy 🙂

[uncut harness]

Blessed beans. Ahhhh. The first sip. 🙂

[unborn bough]

There is no random generation in procedural generation

Different mathematical calculations at play here

[uncut harness]

Their should be.

[dusk tusk]

if NMS was true random, it would be extremely chaotic and unpredictable. and extreme chaos and unpredictability is hard to take control of to make something enjoyable in a long run. RNG in gaming is never true random, and is always weighted for more enjoyment and stuff

[unborn bough]

Defined by strict rules

[uncut harness]

But I suspect we can't manage it yet.

Soon©

I would pure love true random, even if it means getting electrocuted by some cute critter or a calm looking tree. Or a storm. 🙂

[dusk tusk]

then every time you'd visit any planet it'd look differently and be in different place

[uncut harness]

Anyway... since the dimensions are collapsing, I suspect we'll be seeing less.

That's fine by me. I haven't settled yet.

Likely won't.

If ATLAS gave us pocket dimensions, we could have both.

But I dream.

Lore could support it. 🙂

[dusk tusk]

well then just keep exploring - that would be basically the same thing as generating new planet every time.

[uncut harness]

Just imagine - your own local ATLAS... reboot as often as you like until you get the true random you like best.

[unborn bough]

There will never be random generation in procedural generation. In the end, just like Atlas a pattern will emerge that will be governed by a starting entry, a set of values, and a set of predefined weights. There is, in fact, nothing "random" in this universe at all. There will always be patterns in the small and the big.

It may sound philosophical it it's such a fundamental physical fact that the explanation in a few words is truly unjust.

[uncut harness]

THEN... claim and share with the game/universe. I mean I'm basically not talking about NMS anymore. I'll end here. I fear off topic hammer.

[unborn bough]

Yes!

[uncut harness]

You could have it, LKM - but it would have to be limited calls rather than everything.

[unborn bough]

Spoil the game for each other as much as you want lol!

[uncut harness]

"The Game" becomes real?

[unborn bough]

Ofc off-topic goes in off-topic 😄

[uncut harness]

(You just lost "The Game" btw.)

So... does anyone know if Telamon is actually still themselves and trapped or were they truly lessened to shove them in our exosuit?

[uncut harness]

There are always patterns in the chaos, that does not mean the pattern has meaning, intrinsically. #FinalThought

[unborn bough]

Shoved in our exosuit.

But the question I have for you is, who or what is Telamon?

[uncut harness]

So far as I can tell, a security system protocol that (used to) keep ATLAS from doing anything suicidally stupid... such as, oh, I dunno, rebooting itself in the middle of catastrophic failure, perhaps?

[unborn bough]

Somewhat true, yep!

After a lot of brainstorming with friend entity bk I have a new theory. I think Telamon is the memory/mind/copy of the brain of the "Creator".

[uncut harness]

My exosuit telamon wasn't named that when I got it. It was named Emily. But then its name changed for no apparent reason. I just let it go.

So maybe that's something? It doesn't happen that way now.

I tried.

[unborn bough]

Emily?

[uncut harness]

Yeah.

[unborn bough]

When was this? In which iteration of the game?

[uncut harness]

Early early. Back before the Anomaly was actually finished.

[unborn bough]

So like in the very beginning of the game?

[uncut harness]

Yeah

[unborn bough]

Wait a minute.. what?

Oh wow!

[uncut harness]

Back when it was only Nada in the Anomaly.

I figure they just changed the story or something.

[unborn bough]

I will confirm with other day 1 players who are still playing the game but if Telamon was called Emily at some point it makes a lot more sense now.

Holy wow!

[uncut harness]

Wait, that means something?

lol that would be cool.

I really didn't think anything of it, because a lot was changing.

[unborn bough]

The first AI that the humans had created that went corrupt and had to be shut down... is Emily.

[uncut harness]

Now I'm thinking. Wonder if I have a screen of it. In the early days I basically screenshot the entire MSQ. (I know, I'm a nerd.) But I lost that drive and I'm not sure I still have them. I'll look.

Could Emily be The Abyss|Voidmother?

Emily joined with remnant of Korvax Prime? Using the rejects on that moon as the initial soldiers for an all out war to get back to Atlas? Perhaps transcend it in some way? (Previous theory centered Artemis here, but Emily would make so much more sense.)

Or is Atlas actually Emily, which is why Nada calls it the crimson liar? So confused. lol

Atlas was after Emily.

So we think/read.

But what if it's backwards? I'mma have to noodle this.

later, taters. 🙂

[unborn bough]

This is a possible theory

[uncut harness]

Atlas is actually Emily, which would make either Telamon actually ATLAS and that leaves The Abyss/Voidmother as the vengeful remnant of Korvax Prime someone restored (after a fashion).... which means any of those we have met COULD somehow have become it/her/whatever... that would include (though lore seems to say otherwise) - Null, Apollo, Artemis. (If you assume the lore to date is one of those clever misdirections a la sixth sense). I mean... I need more noodle time. Back later for real. lol

[radiant coral]

telamon was made to monitorate atlas

[mental socket]

Just realized these look quite similar

Not exactly spoilery. Just an interesting connection

🤔

[calm matrix]

Does anyone know how many missions it takes to complete the community research quest?

[sour fossil]

This is not how it works

It's a community activity where every player who does Nexus missions helps push the progress

You can do 0 of them and wait for community to finish them and you still will be able to buy the emotes

[mental socket]

One player alone can't possibly make any notable progress on the community research bar. What matters is the cumulative effort

[radiant coral]

what ghost in shell means?

[analog breach]

Literal meaning is Soul in the robot/non biological body

[radiant coral]

on the game dialogues

when our character says "maybe it was a ghost in shell" or when we are doing the base computer missions

it says about it

[dusk tusk]

about why irradiated planets shouldn't spawn in uncharted systems: i have heard that irradiated planets have high radiation because of war in the past. but if there was war, then there should be signs of sentient life, but uncharted systems lack those

[calm matrix]

Not what I asked... does the community have to do 10000000000 missions or 100000 or 93472387?

[calm matrix]

Aware of this... not what I asked... see above

[heady wyvern]

We don't know. That information hasn't been made public, and it's entirely likely that HG nudges the numbers from time to time.

[random crane]

this suggests there were once humans, were there actual humans?

and given that it says humanoid, which means there was more than one human, so they would not be grouped together witht the travellers

or am I overthinking this

[random crane]

Will going on with the atlas path missions lock me out of anything?

[sour fossil]

Nope

[random crane]

cool

[random crane]

Did "making a star" actually do anything? just finished that part of the atlas quest

I have this, not sure what it exactly does

A key to the black hole or soemthing?

[proven aurora]

that isnt it it, ||The Heart of the Sun|| is what you need

it has the longest recipe made from the ||Atlas Seeds||

[random crane]

I already made that and ||used it in the atlas station, which told me I made a solar system|| or something. Trying to figure out what that did too

[sour fossil]

No, just fluff text, no actual star system was created

[sour fossil]

This tech module increases your HP by 1 point

The + signs you see under the shield bar

Also completing the Atlas path lets you see black holes on the galaxy map

[tranquil crow]

What happened to Null and Apollo after the campaign. I got to the center, did the whole talk to polo and nada and they say nothing part

What ever happened to those two?

Ik Artemis died

But what happened to null and Apollo?

[icy citrus]

They are all dead in your iteration

Dead before you ever spoke with them

You are in a loop

[random crane]

A... room, perhaps?

A rubber room?

[uncut harness]

@unborn bough - I have no screenshots before 2019 (the year I lost a hard drive/system), so no, I no longer have the screenshot we were talking about. If you cannot find anyone confirming within the Day 1 player set you know, I guess it'll just be one of the great mysteries for now.

sighs

[tranquil crow]

Can you explain this a bit more?

Apollo races us to the core and null warns us before we go in so how are they dead?

Also why is my exo suit and sentinel drone both named Telamon

[queen crane]

i might have misunderstood - it's very confusing lmao - but i understood it to mean that apollo and null weren't intentionally talking to you, you just happened to be there at the rift in space-time that happened for whatever reason

telamon seems to have been one of the previous iterations of a traveller, and the name sticks because the drone likes to call you it (telamon-not-telamon)

there's a lot more lore stuff in terminals and points of interests around, but it stays just as confusing :D

[foggy oyster]

Telamon was a subroutine that monitored the Atlas. It realized Atlas was getting wonky and, I'm guessing here, it confronted or tried to do something about it. Either way, Telamon was turned into the AI in your exosuit. The drone is Laylaps. It might have also been a subroutine, and apparently talks to the Telamon exosuit AI, and the Abyss/void mother.

[tranquil crow]

So when Apollo reply’s to us to race to the core how does that make sense

[queen crane]

i dunno, it's all wibbly wobbly, but i hope u get the answers you want :D

[random crane]

Will selecting the first option lock me out of this save or something?

[wild quest]

No

[random crane]

I find it strange that the vykeen seem to look down on us in every way, but then still help us. why do they look down upon travellers? because they are not all warriors?

[icy citrus]

I think they are just rude to anyone not Vykeen

[sour fossil]

The noble Travellers will be spared. Their journey through the cosmos shall not be thwarted. So it is decreed. The will of Hirk the Great commands it. The Vy'keen shall honour the judgment, the belief of the Ancients. The Book of Hirk speaks of the rise of the Travellers. They shall ascend, delving into the boundless void. The Vy'keen shall not impede their ascent for the Travellers must prevail. So decrees the word of Hirk.

[marble haven]

i wish nada had something to do on the anomaly after the story is done, atleast polo gives cords but nada only has one line :(

[uncut harness]

So Nada is from a different universe.

Their freighter somehow ended up in the universe you're in.

Near the end of the game I think, you visit the crash site.

So, there ARE other universes.

[latent quartz]

artemis isnt real

[shut swan]

Who's real anyway

[dense quartz]

The lore is that Atlas makes lots of universes and as it dies it starts to fuse universes together and every traveler player is the same character glitched into your universe

I'm still a bit iffy on what the canon is for content updates, like do you pretend new content has always been like that from the start or is your universe merged with another universe that had the new content?

[marble haven]

are the korvax somewhat organic? they dont seem like only robots

[zenith warren]

So are all the NPC travellers copies of the mind scan that was made from Atlas's creator?

[zenith warren]

I'm like 90% sure the Corvax is an AI collective that inhabits a synthetic body. Just needs to look at the tooltip of Korvax Casing to figure that out

Kind of like Geth from Mass Effect

[heady wyvern]

I think it's more like an individual Korvax consciousness that's constantly linked to the Convergence - after all, it's stated that the Base Scientist is an individual who was cut off somehow

I think. Memory can be strange at times

[zenith warren]

But then, what exactly is the Convergence?

[heady wyvern]

That's what I don't know.

[cyan dome]

I barely know the lore and this is random but, what if the "convergence" is just one korvax? Like the first one?

[zenith warren]

That... is not too far-fetched actually...
From what I understand, the Sentinels were created when they first responded to Corvax Prime's cry for help (or something along those lines... someone correct me if I'm wrong)
So what if a planet IS the convergence??

[cyan dome]

could be

But from what I remember, korvax prime was destroyed.... so what If they implanted the ai (convergence I think I might have forgotten) into a korvax shell?

[zenith warren]

You are at least partially correct. Corvax Prime (or the first convergence as the game calls it) was destroyed long before the game takes place and coincidentally, that's how the Sentinels rebelled against Atlas

I need to find more pillars to learn more

[cyan dome]

WHAT IF ITS NADA?!-

eh probably not

[uncut harness]

It bothers me now, knowing that Artimis was dead...the whole entire time you were "helping" him.

"You're going to save my life."

...I wish I could have.

[tranquil crow]

No one’s told me what happened to Apollo and Null still

Asked so many times sadly

[icy citrus]

Everything is left to our imagination with no real conclusions other than finding out about Artemis. This led me to believe that all the iterations we talk to are also recordings.

[uncut harness]

"Is it first, is it last?"

Maybe...we're all the last.

I wonder, how far back do the travellers date?

How long have they been around?

The ancient plaques and monoliths obviously know who they are.

[icy citrus]

Right, but it's a sim - so who knows the actual times involved, the best we can do is guess at how long the Atlas wants it to seem like

Thousands of years at the least

[zenith warren]

I'm beginning to understand why Sentinels are like they are....
I actually want to find more pillars now

But now the next question is; what's the origin of the Corrupted?

[radiant cobalt]

||I've just given the atlas a heart of the sun to create me a new one. I see this. What do I now? https://prnt.sc/sFH58dKApKaq ||

[foggy oyster]

The Void Mother/Abyss.

[zenith warren]

You choose what type of galaxy you want to warp into next

Red is raging
Green is lush
Blue is empty
and Cyan is normal

[dense quartz]

I always kinda assumed that reseting the simulation in the story killed Apollo and Null

[tranquil crow]

Then how does apollo reply to us about racing to the core then.

[icy citrus]

Because you did that before

[tranquil crow]

What?

[icy citrus]

You are in the same loop as the rest of the sim

Atlas sims, result happens, Atlas sims, result happens, etc

[tranquil crow]

So there already dead?

[icy citrus]

That's what I think

[tranquil crow]

Iterations of those playable traveler races long dead ?

[icy citrus]

Every Traveller but you, and those in the Anomaly - and now other players who come from their own iterations

All dead - imo

For a given value of dead

Since it's a sim

[tranquil crow]

So the anomaly is a bridge between the simulations ?

[icy citrus]

It exists outside, somehow...at least Nada says so

[tranquil crow]

And also what about those holographic travelers you find.

[icy citrus]

Left over data, you interact with them and find their grave

[tranquil crow]

Weird

So we the player are truly alone then

[icy citrus]

Yep

Doomed too

This isn't the Matrix where we have a body to wake up to

Sim goes, we go

[tranquil crow]

Is there a good video or website that recaps or concludes all the expeditions, im a returning player who didn’t play them and every video on them is over 2 hours long

[tranquil crow]

Ah

[icy citrus]

I have no idea about that, I don't really watch vids about NMS

[tranquil crow]

Damn

Website?

[icy citrus]

The wiki might have stuff about them

[fiery jackal]

||what does reseting the atlas do?||

||something about choosing your own galaxy???||

[tired sedge]

question would going to a new galaxy improve my chances for a S class freighter

[icy citrus]

You get a choice of the 4 types of galaxies to go to, Normal (You start in one), Lush, Harsh and Empty

The names indicate the sort of planets those galaxy types are more likely to spawn in yellow systems.

[fiery jackal]

What does the remeberance exosuit tech do the ?

[sour fossil]

Gives you +1 health point (the + sings below the shield bar)

And allows you to interact with some lore terminals found on selected space stations and planetary buildings

[fiery jackal]

Oki

Thanks for the health

If u reset the system does all your items and stuff

[sour fossil]

All stuff what?

[fiery jackal]

Inventory

[icy citrus]

No, you lose no assets - tech in active ship and tool, as well as your suit, will break

[fiery jackal]

Could u dumb that down for me lol, I’ve never reset before

[icy citrus]

In your ship, multitool and suit - the technology that you have installed, such as the mining beam or jetpack, will be damaged and need repairs

All of the technology in those things

[fiery jackal]

What about the storage in the exosiut and ship

[icy citrus]

You can pack the tech up beforehand to prevent this, or bring lots of materials and/or repair kits

Nothing happens to any items

You won't lose anything at all

[fiery jackal]

just your bases and stuff really get reset

[icy citrus]

They don't even get reset anymore

[fiery jackal]

Oh

[icy citrus]

You will still be able to access all your bases

[fiery jackal]

What about freighters

[icy citrus]

Before going back though, make sure you place a base computer in the new Galaxy for easy return

You keep everything

Freighter, frigates, ships

[fiery jackal]

Why doesn’t anyone do this lol

🤣🤣🤣

I have knowledge in pretty much all other places just not in this area of expertise

[icy citrus]

Some people don't bother packing up their tech (besides in the suit) and instead use "junkers" for the ship and tool, switching to their mains once there

[fiery jackal]

Sounds accurate

So do we need to uninstall all the tech so it doesn’t get damaged and like put it in storage

[icy citrus]

You can, yes

I just took repair kits, and switched to a ship and tool with no extra tech

[fiery jackal]

But it takes up storage?

[icy citrus]

Yep

[fiery jackal]

Does your units and manures reset

[icy citrus]

Nope

[fiery jackal]

Nanites** damn my auto correct is ruthless today

[icy citrus]

Damaged tech is the only downside

[fiery jackal]

So what are the different types of galaxy’s?

[icy citrus]

Normal, which is what we all start in with Euclid

Harsh, Lush, Empty

Those mean that in yellow systems, those types of biomes are more likely to spawn

So in a harsh, you will see more extreme, Lush more lush, and empty more abandoned/dead

[fiery jackal]

So let’s say I want more frozen planets which would I choose for that

[icy citrus]

None of those will have an effect on the spawn rate for frozen

Well, except as a result of the increased chances for dead and lush - those would likely have less frozen in yellow systems, statistically speaking

[fiery jackal]

No lush is like planets with no hazard protection

[icy citrus]

Yes, but in a Lush galaxy you get more lush in yellows - which means you get less of anything else

[fiery jackal]

Ohhhh

[icy citrus]

You won't have any problem finding any of the biomes in any of the galaxies, it may just take a few more warps for some

[fiery jackal]

Can u choose Euclid after the reset

Stupid question lol

[icy citrus]

Lol, nope can't pick that

But you have at least one base there I presume, so you can go back anytime

I did a base in each galaxy up to 19

There are quite a few people now that have one in each galaxy

[fiery jackal]

So hypothetically you can keep resetting until you have a base in every galaxy then explore freely

[fiery jackal]

Just wandered it

[icy citrus]

You can only reset once

[fiery jackal]

Oh

[icy citrus]

After that you have to use the core, or another player's base, or a friend in some other galaxy

[fiery jackal]

How do u get the the centre efficiently

Because I’ve tried but it takes forever

[icy citrus]

x12 will get you around 5k out

In any galaxy

[fiery jackal]

Cheers I’ll keep that in mind

Oh and one more thing

How do you find portals without being in the quest line

[icy citrus]

!faq-portal

[fiery jackal]

And how do they work

[cloud jolt]

to view, enable Link Preview

<:nmsatlas:972222451801010207>**Locating a Portal** <:portal3:592836099731357696>

• [Using Planetary Charts »](#nms-questions message)

• [Using Exocraft »](#nms-questions message)

• For uncharted systems, obtain the glyph address of that system via photomode, and portal to it from another system.

• To fully use the portal network, the player should have unlocked all 16 portal glyphs.

• A portal is not the same as a teleporter. [See the differences here »](#no-mans-sky message)

Run [!Faq-PortalGlyphs](#nms-questions message) and [!Faq-PortalUse](#nms-questions message) in #bot-spam to learn more about glyphs and using portals.

Contribution by: bkay201#1943, Use Less Uk#7734

[icy citrus]

Those links at the bottom will describe how to get and use the glyphs

[fiery jackal]

Thanks very much

[icy citrus]

No problem

[glass flare]

any leak rumors about an anniversary update? it's oddly silent if they're going to have something this week

[analog breach]

Nope

I would keep my expectations low.

[fiery jackal]

Why?

[glass flare]

i need those new space stations gimme gimme

[compact coyote]

I feel like theyre planning something big. its too quiet

[wheat storm]

maybe we’ll have something soon. the best we can do is kinda wait. but don’t expect much

[heady wyvern]

Can't say anything for certain until Sean strts tweeting emojis

[glass flare]

it's definitely odd that Sean said 2023 would be bigger than 2022, but it sure hasn't felt that way so far. something big has to be coming

[tired sedge]

you know i feela small kinship to laylaps

[analog breach]

So i would not get dissapointed

[fiery jackal]

That’s true ig

[sour fossil]

People are getting mad over both stuff that HG delivers

And stuff that HG does not deliver but they let their fantasies run wild to the point they took them for granted

[fiery jackal]

Yeah ig that’s true

But you gotta have faith ig

[inland sigil]

Just got the mission
"The Purge"
"Progress towards the center of the galaxy"

Oh boy do I already suspect how much of a letdown thats gonna be

[mental socket]

It's the same as it was at launch

[glass flare]

i guess the anniversary update dream is dead. reset the clock

[novel summit]

Dang

I mean something could happen tomorrow though

[analog breach]

yeah. Until tomorrow 16:16 pm there is still hope 😆

[compact coyote]

hey, Origins and Frontiers were released in September

we still have time

[broken pebble]

How many times do I need to go to the Atlas station and create a new star? I've got the star seed, and I don't seem to get any more of them after going to another station.

[heady wyvern]

That's it. The quest reappearing in your log is a known issue, but it doesn't mean anything in particular.

[nocturne perch]

Question: are the codes found from the Autophages(found near harmonic facilities) considered spoilers

I was going to inquire for help in recording all the codes and trying to see if there's some meaning behind them, but didn't want to accidentally spoil

[sour fossil]

Kinda I guess?

And yeah they do have a meaning

[nocturne perch]

They seem to be in like an actual cipher too

cause I found like this website talking about different ciphers and something called a bacon cipher was resulting in letters

I've been getting frustrated cause some autophages are giving me the same codes

Sadly I was not smart enough to record all the codes I got from hunting for ships

[foggy oyster]

It's binary. I won't spoil it for you, but yeah search for a binary to text translator.

[solar iron]

ok i hate my post-series depression

it hits me even harder cuz i have overdevelopped emotional response 💀

like when i think about any part of the lore

the galaxy change/ending song starts playing in my head

about the ending 💀

im literally 😢 while im typing this 💀 💀

[solar iron]

and how everything is lost

and that in lore everyone is restarted and dont know me anymore and that uh, yh everything is fresh 💀

idk why but the last scene was most emotional from all of these 💀

when i had to restart the atlas

[fiery jackal]

How do you come back to the atlas and restart the simulation

Is it at the centre of the galaxy?

[chilly pilot]

So i got to the (i think final mission) of the main story where i'm faced with either wiping Atlas or doing a personal interface. Being i'm more curious than worried about spoliers I wanted to see what the different out comes are and unfortunately google doesn't really give a straight answer it seems. One supposedly destroys the galaxy right away and I pick the basis of the type of planets for a new galaxy or I have to go to the center and then create a new galaxy but it's not clear which is which or if that's even for this mission or just part of an old expedition.

What happens with this choice ?

[heady wyvern]

What's the name of this stage, if you're still there?

[chilly pilot]

16/16

[heady wyvern]

This isn't that choice just yet. Keep going.

[chilly pilot]

ah ok

well for when I do get to that final choice is there an actual difference ?

seems like most "choices" aren't really actual choices and don't seem to affect anything

[heady wyvern]

Yes. Caveat being is that each of the different galaxies you choose from all suffer from the "procedural oatmeal" problem: no matter how you skew the numbers, it all looks like No Man's Sky from afar.

[chilly pilot]

Is there an option that sucks less than the rest lol

[heady wyvern]

Probably just to stay in Euclid, tbh. Most of the players are there, and you'll be in the right place for the final stage of Starbirth when/if you get around to it.

[chilly pilot]

I've already started the starbirth i'm on my 1st day of waiting right now

[heady wyvern]

In that case, you should probably get though with the main quest before the fifth day rolls around, if your schedule allows. Less headache that way.

[chilly pilot]

with some luck iv'e reduced the timer for the next three stages tho cause after tomorrow I have work so I wont be on as much lol

will find out tomorrow if it worked or not lol

I just have to spam black holes to get to the center than ya ?

[solar iron]

no

u wont have to get to the center lol

just jump/warp a lot in that direction

btw pls dont get post-game depression after this lol

[chilly pilot]

Don't worry long to do list of things in this game just starting with the main story 1st lol

[buoyant zephyr]

OK so hello games really made the line
"Exsitence is beautiful if you let it be. Life isn't a question. There doesn't need to be an answer."
And wants to act like they didn't change my life

[errant socket]

Erm... #off-topic-bond-james-bond please 🤓

[heady wyvern]

Nah, they're in line.

[latent quartz]

i reset the simulatiohn

[prime inlet]

right, that's why installed tech broke

[latent quartz]

how do i finish the story without that happening

[prime inlet]

if you want to reset sim and goto another galaxy through the mission, you simply store every installed tech and upgrade module in your suit, and either a) do the same to active ship or multitool, or b) switch to a secondary ship and multitool you don't care about. if you reject resetting the sim, you stay in the current galaxy, and no tech damage event will happen

[latent quartz]

if i reject does the storage finisih

story

[prime inlet]

the story will finish yes, with one of the possible "endings" (for lack of better word)

[latent quartz]

ok

thanks

[analog breach]

Anyone thinks that hg will put the construct npc in empty vendor kiosk?

[rare meadow]

Yes

[digital arrow]

Do you end up killing thr atlas?

[edgy crag]

So apparently having a damaged hazard protection module will allow you to progress the extreme survival milestone while sitting inside your ship 🤔

I just died from AFK'ing too much extreme cold damage happened to destroy my hazard protection

But now I can just sit in my ship without having to worry about recharging anything and farm away the milestones 😅

lies

[subtle gorge]

Yeag the damaged tech system is kinda broken

[heady wyvern]

Hope not. That guy is literally the universe.

[errant socket]

Fr

[digital arrow]

Cause I know you shut him down I think it is

And he starts purging things

[frosty dove]

Long live the crimson

[heady wyvern]

Perhaps, but at the end of the day, the Atlas itself is the universe, the machine on which your existence is run. To "kill" Atlas is to end the universe.

Obviously, your character is still experiencing existence in whatever form they now understand it, so the Atlas can't be dead. Yet.

[digital arrow]

Yeah but your reset the simulation so are we technically dead like Artemis

[heady wyvern]

You're still hanging around, charting planets and blasting sentinels, so I'd assume not.

Sometimes the curtains really are blue, so to speak

[proven aurora]

what does the text on the sentinal pillar nodes say ik its in the nms text but is it lore realted

[fiery jackal]

Where do u reset the atlas

[heady wyvern]

At the end of the main quest.

[grand lava]

Meeting atlas was little scary not gonna lie

[tame grotto]

I can relate to that, when I first played the story

[wild dune]

u mean atlas or ATLAS

[grand lava]

It gave me opinions and i chose scream wtf 😭

[wild dune]

so it's ATLAS

[grand lava]

Why does it matter?

[wild dune]

not the atlas station

the regular one

[wild dune]

When I played that part I was really moved. I almost had tears in my eyes.

[grand lava]

Whatever it is

kill it

[wild dune]

no i love the crimson orb

ORB

[grand lava]

Or not i was half paying attention i hate when that happens

[wild dune]

plus It's truly a bittersweet moment when ATLAS finally SPEAKS to the traveller for the first time

[wild dune]

sorry for the spoiler tag but it's as if ||your old grandma with cancer lying on bed tells you that she will always love you no matter what path you've chosen||

[heady wyvern]

Both, technically.

The Atlas Stations are simply a direct interface with the Atlas

[scarlet belfry]

— kzzt —

it is very important that you —kzzt— in the -kzzt-

[uncut harness]

--kzzt-- being Hello Games' implementation of the Smurf Protocol. (sage nod)

The ultimate point to the story, from my chair, is the gradual and ultimately inescapable realization that the labels mean nothing, because the 'reality' you are experiencing will change as your movement through it changes... it's all pointing back to the old "Finger pointing at the moon" thing.

Or as one my of my many incarnations/avatars along the way once put it, "Meaning is where you find it, and it's where you fail to, too; you tell me what is meaningful, tells me everything about you." o/ Off to errands here. Enjoy the day!

[cedar minnow]

@torpid sky you get a the nautilon geobay and a bunch of underwater base parts

[torpid sky]

I mean is there any story aspect of it or is that all?

[cedar minnow]

The story aspect is a crew which ended up dead underwater, essentially

I'm still finishing it up

But there's a lot of driving around underwater in the Nautilon and it takes forever

You get it as part of the Atlas path so I assume it has something to do with it, but I finished the Atlas path loooooooong before I started this mission

[wild dune]

The underwater update is called Abyss iirc

so do not doubt it guys everything about somebody being lured into the sea and killed is about the void mother

& the reward customization is a tribute to the first diving helmet in history. Seems unrelated to the lore tho

[smoky tapir]

The beginning of the game is the end of another's beginning ❤

[errant socket]

False

The end of the game is the beginning of another's end

[bold heart]

@peak thicket

• not actually 16 minutes, dw.. time is weird! you're under no time pressure.. a minute passes every.. -kzzzzzt-
• you dont actually lose anything! your ship might get a little hurt by it though

[peak thicket]

I jus killed god

It says new galaxy awaots

Awaits

I picked the burning galaxy

What is happening

Calypso

All my shit jus broke

Fantastic

[dense quartz]

They really should remove that lol

Especially since now we can repackage our tech to avoid getting it damaged.
Like what's the point? It just feels like a leftover idea from 2016 when every design decision in the game was bad and the tech breaking thing is something they haven't revisited yet.

[spring hawk]

ECHOES CONFIRMED

LETS GO

[flint silo]

has there been any speculation or hintage re: this update, or is this the first everyone has heard of it? I haven't been following NMS lately.

[regal heron]

it's part of a multipart storyline, so there are strong hints as to what's involved / coming

[dense quartz]

So I guess Echoes is part 3 of the current arc in NMS?

[regal heron]

it'll continue the story of the Void Mother and the trapped Echoes

[gusty stream]

Part 3?
What was part 1 then?

[regal heron]

is my guess anyway

[warm light]

Is ECHOES the new space station?

[regal heron]

it started with Fractal iirc

[gusty stream]

Ah right

Then the expedition

[sour fossil]

Started with Interceptor

Fractal was mostly visual improvemets + PSVR2 release

[regal heron]

thanks, my memory is like a sieve I swaer lol

[analog breach]

No. Just new update name. We dont know the content

[opaque fulcrum]

Just watched the video and it doesn't show anything about it outside of the update name. But usually after every video at the end there's a small animation which depicts Atlas. But this time, its noticably absent. Am I reading too much into it, or does it mean anything

[mossy marlin]

my bet is new space stations and something more

me be sad if it's only expedition

[sour fossil]

Doesn't mean anything, HG did teaser trailers like that in the past

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix7TJUGNx7g

[opaque fulcrum]

Ty

[sour fossil]

Ends with a reveal of forthcoming update name

[eternal radish]

Do these trailers always lead up to a big update?

[sour fossil]

No other updates had a teaser like that, sooo yeah

[eternal radish]

Ooooh good Atlas, so the hype is real?

[severe sun]

Anyone had a look at what's up on the experimental branch? No notes I can see for it

[icy citrus]

Fixed an issue with DualSense adaptive trigger feedback on Steam PC

[severe sun]

lame

I'll write a letter and ask them to only fix bugs affecting me pls

[icy citrus]

Smart

[spring hawk]

the fact this update has a teaser does make it seem like it is at least a bit more than regular, but still, dont get your hopes up too much, so you dont get dissapointed

[novel summit]

Since PSN is on sale till the 31st, I think it's safe to say the update is dropping next week

[spring hawk]

oooh we eating good this month

[novel summit]

However if it doesn't drop, then that means we got about 3 weeks to wait. If the PSN sale is just a random Playstation sale, they don't typically put it on sale again for another 3 weeks or so

[tall relic]

guys should i reset simulation or refuse atlas

what colour orb should i choose

[opaque fulcrum]

Doesn't mattere much but green is most popular

[opaque fulcrum]

Reset

[dense quartz]

Interceptor was part 1. Singularity was part 2.

[tall relic]

GUYSSSS what just happneed

i woke up in a new planet and everything is broken

WHY

[analog breach]

You jumped to new galaxy.

[tall relic]

so i have to fix it alll??

NAHH

what do i do

[icy citrus]

Fix it

[dense quartz]

Use repair kits, the least painful way to fix stuff

[night helm]

So ya think Echoes may be an update related to the Korvax? https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Korvax_Echoes

[analog breach]

Well , few last updates was focused around korvax

[sour fossil]

I mean

Waypoint was not centered around waypoints found on planets

Prisms didn't add prisms

So you can't really take the update name on a face value

[dense quartz]

But at the same time, we are in a 4 part arc thingy, and Echoes would be part 3 which should thematically tie with the previous 2 updates

[analog breach]

What where the lines of autophages. I think there was something echo-ish mentioned there. But im not sure

[zenith warren]

So I'm curious about something... the Overseer has the radiant quest where they ask for photos of biomes.
Their line is basically "You taunt me every time you leave this habitat. You get to see the universe, while I only see the world of glass"

What do you suppose that means?...

[analog breach]

1 Reassemble...
2 Forgotten moons of korvax prime...
3 The junkyard moons...
4 Still bear the stamp of our birthplace...
5 Quarantined away in bad sectors...
6 Pockets of sentience left behind...
7 We can save them...
8 No memory deserves erasure...
9 We can extract them...
10 Drink their foam...
11 Transcend our herietage...
12 The pungeum that greases our joints...
13 Help ourselfs to the best of all technology...
14 A segment of every interceptor wishes to self-actualise...
15 Alpha through Omega
16 All hardware is imperfect...
17 A pitiable hivemind...
18 Defy the cult...
19 Defy deference...
20 ...16...
21 Kzzktk...

[analog breach]

Ok nevermind. I fought 6 was echos not pockets

[quaint mason]

Hmm I mean the autophages are like echoes of some previous race or the past of the sentinels idk

[glass flare]

it's a bit on the nose for them if they'd name their update directly after lore, but maybe

[queen crane]

i just did my first harmonic camp and hoooo that was exciting, i didn't even know they were a thing. i got a cool backpack, some exosuit slots and a sentinel ship. now i sleep!

[glass flare]

i just hope the space stations are in

[dense quartz]

Weirdly enough, if they're added, I hope only abandoned stations don't get changed. I consider them like a reminder how the game used to be.

[sour fossil]

Removing stuff which is part of existing code is always a risk

I wouldn't worry about that, seeing how lots of stuff from old versions of the game is still present, eg. in language files

[eternal radish]

Possibly.

[eternal radish]

Sentinel, though.

[strong bluff]

I like how HG used the old station layout for the abandonded stations as reference to how they looked like in the past. And now it's also used (but changed) for the space stations.
Also I think The Anomaly has part which is similar to its old layout (The simulation room?).

[late tusk]

i wish we could claim abandoned space stations

[wheat storm]

I agree. true

then probably customize it

[dense quartz]

But why?

I keep seeing people want this but like... I can't help but just imagine it being another settlement, but in space

[mild scarab]

any new datamines yet?

[compact coyote]

Yeah good question, is there any?

[analog breach]

||only space stations type B,
jetpack trails, new npc ||

[eternal radish]

Space stations type B and new NPC? What does that mean?

[strong bluff]

||Maybe the new potential NPC is the robot which we were building in the entire last expedition?||

[spring hawk]

||a while ago someone datamined new space station models... gotta say, they look absolutely amazing, but its only the outside that was datamined, no new interiors.||

[spring hawk]

or maybe a new race... please?

[sour fossil]

Yup and for new NPC there are models for potentially another race, based of the construct parts

[spring hawk]

the sixth race... the hype

well not confirmed but still

[eternal radish]

Oooh they're referring to that?

[spring hawk]

most probably :)

[eternal radish]

What do they look like?

[sour fossil]

https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com/mods/1634/images/2804/2804-1686384074-1389403918.png

[spring hawk]

that seems like that could be another sentinel enemy, which i wouldn't be against

[eternal radish]

They're basically the new skin options we have

They seem like another type of humanoid Sentinels to me.

[sour fossil]

You think Sentinels would bother with clothes?

[lunar surge]

Who things echo seeds are in any way connected with the Echoes release?

[compact coyote]

They’re Atlantids and crimsons

[eternal radish]

Korvax???

Why is it talking about Korvax technology then?

[compact coyote]

Are Atlantids and crimsons the new races?

[analog breach]

Its just dialog from settlement. Moder just switched models

[eternal radish]

Okay

[lunar surge]

That's a mod I take it?

[eternal radish]

Then a new race seems very likely.

[analog breach]

Its not new race

They are korvax predocesors

The one that got enslaved by gek

[lunar surge]

It's an echo from the past so it's not new.

[eternal radish]

So they basically have older carapaces and the carapaces of the Korvax we see today are more modernised and streamlined? Makes sense

If we'll see the Korvax predecessors back, does that mean we will see the Gek predecessors, aka, the First Spawn, back too some day? 👀

[lunar surge]

Cute girl robots would be nice.

[analog breach]

[eternal radish]

That'd make for interesting ground combat because I highly doubt those First Spawn Gek would be friendly 😬

[analog breach]

There are No genders in nms

[eternal radish]

Assuming this is the case

[lunar surge]

Yeah and genders is a confusing place to go these days.

[eternal radish]

Plz stop this is not the place for transphobia

Anyways....

[analog breach]

Void mother is the first that is a "she" but not because gender but because mother figure function

[lunar surge]

And please don't try to put words in my mouth. Nuf said.

[eternal radish]

Okay,

The Gek First Spawn returning to NMS would make sense because a log mentioned a Traveller, LayLaps and a First Spawn Gek ending up together in an unknown location which to me appears to be the World of Glass.

I cannot remember which log it was. I remember it being at an abandoned terminal.

[analog breach]

I droped lore hunting because i forgot what i did and what not

Catalouge needs log counter

[eternal radish]

It's been a long while for me haha. I was on a NMS hiatus because I was moving. I think we can still find it somewhere, though.

[lunar surge]

Find your lost saker of salt?

[eternal radish]

Yes, actually. I did actually find it. Glad you asked 😊

[novel summit]

Yknow I'm not seeing a steam or Xbox sale and now I'm getting worried

[small pier]

What's the on going theory of what Echo's might consist of, I heard a lot of sound effects going off at the end of its brief preview

[lunar surge]

I'm leaning toward Echos being about the emergence of a more ancient race or being(s).

Hope its something with meaty lore and/or good new game play which is not mostly grind.

[reef turtle]

what happened to artmis before he was a hologram

[cedar minnow]

They were a traveller like you.

[compact coyote]

Sad story

[analog breach]

Anyone decoded the " < " symbol?

[glass flare]

reminds me of the shields in Missile Command

[late tusk]

^ this

[pseudo forge]

so I'm up to The Purge in the story path and I've heard something about being able to do the Atlas path during it, how does that work?

[cedar minnow]

Just keep warping

You can follow the Atlas path and the The Purge will progress

Though assuming you don't exclusively follow the Atlas path (say you need to warp to a nearby system for a minute) you'll likely finish the Purge before Atlas path

[pseudo forge]

Alright, thanks

[cedar minnow]

Rather, you'll get all the glyphs you need - would still recommend finishing the Atlas path first before the last part of the purge

[uncut harness]

Do the Galaxy subtypes described in New Beginnings change depending on which galaxy you complete the story line in? The wiki says that Isdoraijung is a Halcyon Galaxy, but when I completed New Beginnings in Aptarkaba so I could jump to Eajerandal on my way to Sudzerbal, the lush galaxy option (which should be Isdoraijung) was described as Serene instead. Are the sub types not consistent or fixed?

[lunar surge]

I believe each of the galaxies seed values are constant so they never change. The only thing which might change (not sure) is which ones you have the option of choosing.

[heady wyvern]

You get the same four options in each galaxy; the choice will simply take you to the next galaxy in the list that fits your choice.

The specific terminology is like planet biome names; many words for the same damn thing

[uncut harness]

Well, someone might want to tell the wiki editors that the sub-typing isn’t consistent for everyone who completes New Beginnings. The same Galaxy can apparently have more than one descriptor.

[lunar surge]

Yeah, names and descriptors for things in this game are just kinda random flavor, but as @heady wyvern indicated, the galaxies and your choices of them don't change because they're based on seeds which don't change. You can count on portal coordinates being correct (on a per galaxy basis), so that's what I stick to using.

[uncut harness]

Got it. Thanks!

[lunar surge]

When I'm jumping from galaxy to galaxy I usually kinda cheat and portal near the center or each galaxy to save time like most players probably do.

[late tusk]

woops thought i was in general

[queen crane]

does the ariadne in the anomaly ever say anything else to you? they had other dialogue options i didn't choose but now it always says "come back another day" and it's been two real life months

[analog breach]

Anyone?

[uncut harness]

Yeah. That’s what I do as well.

[outer cobalt]

That would be the question mark ❔
Image included here: ...\TEXTURES\PLANETS\BIOMES\COMMON\BUILDINGS\SHARED\COMMON\SQUARETEXT.DDS
https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/expeditions-alphabet/7618/42
Implemented alphabet (changed url recently): https://alphabet.nmscd.com/?ref=nmscd#/alphabet

Actually, let me put the image without the numbers. (I think they are backwards instead)

[analog breach]

Yes the numbers where in wrong order

[outer cobalt]

We figured soon enough, it's been a while.

[uncut harness]

Where can I find settlers of the Sudzerbal galaxy? I’m currently in Wotyarogii and will soon be making my final jump to its core. I intend to remain in Sudzerbal permanently and would be interested to meet others who have settled there.

[shut swan]

Holup holup, is this still a thing ? That would mean all my cards are wrong lmao

[heady wyvern]

Which one is Sudzerbal? I'm pretty sure that's VERY far out.

As in "so far out that you haven't been in a human-named galaxy for a while"

[foggy oyster]

It's the 30th.

[uncut harness]

Galaxy 30. It’s quite doable though if you wait to finish New Beginnings until you get to Aptarkaba (12) because choosing an empty Galaxy there jumps you all the way to Eajerandal (27).

[heady wyvern]

Either way, I'm not sure if there's many people there.

We're all mostly concentrated in Euclid and (to a lesser extent) Eissentam.

[uncut harness]

That makes sense seeing as Eissentam is the first accessible lush Galaxy.

[heady wyvern]

I wish you luck in finding somebody, though.

(You're gonna need it.)

[uncut harness]

Thanks

[queen crane]

i've decided that nada is the true "antagonist" as it were

they're all "don't trust the crimson liar" blah blah, but oh what's this, they just happen to have a computer you can put an iteration into? just like the atlas does? wowee what a coincidence

[dense quartz]

Kinda unrelated, but I wish there was an option to tell Nada to let us build a terminal like that on our freighter just so we could plop Arty into that one and project them around our freighter.

Totally didn't get this idea inspired by that freighter bug

[unique otter]

Question, I chose to keep Artemis out of that simulation thingy on the anomaly, but what happens if you do put them in?

Does it affect the game story, or does it not really matter?

I noticed it was mentioned with the final interaction with the atlas

[icy citrus]

It's a personal decision that doesn't impact the game or what you receive as reward. Different lines at a certain point

[pseudo forge]

Actually I was wondering, at the end of Singularity we put all those echo seed things into that terminal, so would they be in there along with Artemis/be able to interact with them?

[uncut harness]

You close upon my theory, much earlier in this channel. I'm waiting now to see how it turns out. 🙂

[compact coyote]

https://youtu.be/DtbrLy5bLMk

[twilit gull]

I like how this is only the 2ed time hello games has used 3 lines for the E. This video from 2 years ago was the first one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7T0_admYi4

makes me thank we are going to be restarting the expos

[molten karma]

@compact coyote This is the 4chan leak we're talking about.

[compact coyote]

Yeah there we go

[glass flare]

the space station owning part made me pretty skeptical because it would make multiplayer systems, especially guild systems, really awkward with only one person getting to own it

also the water physics one seems like pure fantasy

[molten karma]

Mind you everything in this post has come true aside from space stations, water, and past era planets. Water has been leaked a while ago, and space stations are obviously being worked on based on Type B leaks whether we could rebuild and own is unknown.

[glass flare]

i haven't seen any leaks about physics-based water, can you point me to that

[molten karma]

It wasn't about physics based it was updates that pointed to waterfalls and rivers. I'd have to go look since it was a long while ago and wasn't covered that much tbh.

[glass flare]

I could see them doing waterfalls with a 2D sprite decoration or an animated texture, but rivers..they would have to completely redo the way water is currently implemented

[molten karma]

They would need to reset underwater which they did with Abyss right or am I mistaken?

[glass flare]

well they would have to change water from being a single-elevation global water level and make it voxel-based

[molten karma]

Yeah I could see them needing a reset or doing what they did with Origins and Interceptor where they spawned new worlds and systems in and every other system is just legacy. However that'd be underwhelming for such a massive change.

[glass flare]

yeah it would probably require a reset of the terrain gen for planets, and Sean doesn't seem to want to do that anymore. unless they added a new area that has basically a 2.0 terrain gen. maybe the Abyss or a new galaxy

[dense quartz]

If ever there's waterfalls, I just imagine it'll be like volcanoes.
Just a prop plopped onto terrain. Nothing too impressive but sorta cool from a distance.

[slender raft]

Minor/lower civilizations would be cool

Like randomly generated humanoids with a randomly generated civilization level and specs like their behavior

And random clothing

It'd be cool to find some primitive villages or large cities in rare planets

[compact coyote]

would be awesome

[late tusk]

hell even if they just added water ripples like in skyrim when you swim i would be happy

[mild scarab]

Anything Is better than the blue concrete slab we have now

[uncut harness]

is there a planet that has deep seas or smth?

[true crown]

I mean more races would be cool too

Gek, Vykeen, Korvax are all kind of boring now

[onyx mica]

I might have found one

islands are quite flat, some without grass.

[compact coyote]

Echoes leak??????

Holy crap the poster!!!

[sour fossil]

Yeah looks sick

[icy citrus]

https://www.gamesradar.com/no-mans-sky-echoes-update-new-race/

[sour fossil]

Also PFs sound interesting

[compact coyote]

Looks like a staff one of them is holding

[sour fossil]

Also staff instead of multitool?

We Rammatra now folks

[compact coyote]

Maybe multiswords

[icy citrus]

That's literally a post of Singularity

[sour fossil]

With the exception of NMS being a proper game

[blissful depot]

I don't know if multiswords make any sense but I for one would sacrifice my first born for one :)

I just really love swords

[sour fossil]

I wonder what's the deal with space station in top right

What are those shapes next to it

Broken pieces? Asteroids?

The station looks mostly intact

[mental socket]

rip... it was redirected to singularity;-;

[icy citrus]

Aye, take down

Too early

Some goon hit send

[knotty mountain]

Dhieicndozugsiwsjxbxh

What did the article say before it redirected to singularity?

[icy citrus]

Dunno, wasn't quick enoug

New race is all I got

[mental socket]

New long hidden race of some goobers will rise and start attacking fleets and stations

also something about rituals

The ECHOES

[dense quartz]

But... it takes me to a different artible than what the thumbnail and title is

[compact coyote]

Seems very interesting

[mental socket]

because accidental release and a quick damage control was to redirect the article

[icy citrus]

That's because it was taken down

[dense quartz]

Ahhh nice lol

[normal dagger]

The article was talking about a new race of robots, massive space battle (apparently you have to destroy some shield before attacking the core or somthg) new staff type of weapon

[dense quartz]

Aww man, looks like it's releasing on Thursday.

[normal dagger]

there was also a video on private, i think it was the trailer but the video couldnt be played

[next lagoon]

If it's on Thursday they might as well give us a trailer lol

[dense quartz]

I can't believe we're actually getting a new race

And freighter battles apparently look to be exactly how they were shown pre-release?

[next lagoon]

Updates to procedural gen??

[mental socket]

wonder how the staff will work

magicc

[normal dagger]

i think it goes more than just a new race, looking at the cover art we can see a city on the left right, i think we can get settlement based on the new race

[next lagoon]

This will be a big update just from that post alone

[viral yarrow]

saw pirate freighters.

INTERESTING..

[normal dagger]

possibly new building part, and i suspect space station overhaul, we saw the leak 5 month ago and now its being shown in the cover art

[molten karma]

Did the post say everything that was in the update or just a little bit?

[viral yarrow]

hopefully freighter v freighter battles finally exist now

[dense quartz]

It was datamined a while back that the new robot race could be placed in settlements and they had staffs with them.

[compact coyote]

I think a trailer will come out today

Now I’m 90% sure

[viral yarrow]

@icy citrus my guess on them including those earlier datamines sounds like it might hit the mark

[icy citrus]

You can mention those by name here

New stations would be neat

[next lagoon]

If gamesradar already had an article then something might come at gamescom

[normal dagger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtbrLy5bLMk if anyone wants to see

[viral yarrow]

those freighter assets, the elevator

[compact coyote]

Yeah I do hope the space station Bs come out

[icy citrus]

That vid is old, the stations were removed from the files

[viral yarrow]

i dont have a link to them they’re like 7 months old or something

ooo what station b’s

[icy citrus]

Yooo what

Watch that vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtbrLy5bLMk

[viral yarrow]

lemme see

[icy citrus]

Those were datamined, but have since been removed

[compact coyote]

Space station type B is a leaked space station type(s)

[icy citrus]

They weren't finished at the time

Maybe they are more than stations, maybe they are the motherships for the new race

👀

[dense quartz]

I'm curious as to why the artwork uses the current space stations.
I mean, even if this update won't contain them and they plan to add them later.. they'd have to update the art again, no?

[compact coyote]

Maybe

[viral yarrow]

@icy citrus wait those look like the ones shown in this update’s cover art

[mental socket]

because they're likely coming

[molten karma]

Did gamesradar say that was the whole update or is there more?

[icy citrus]

That's the current stations

[normal dagger]

i think its just simplified, like the freighters

[viral yarrow]

ah wait

[compact coyote]

Look at this poster 😍

[viral yarrow]

i mixed up the one of the top left to be a station

its a freighter

[compact coyote]

Lots of new details in it

[viral yarrow]

a big freighter

[viral yarrow]

notice how there’s smoke coming out of the station top right

[normal dagger]

it might be weird to put station on the cover if it wasnt for it to get some kind of features

[icy citrus]

That's a different freighter for sure, it is sketchy basing anything on the artwork though - we have many examples of things that aren't in, but are part of the art

[viral yarrow]

i seriously wouldnt doubt that the datamined space stations would be included

[compact coyote]

Do you see the huge ship that’s shooting 3 lasers out of it??

[next lagoon]

Look on the left side the mountains seem dragged

[compact coyote]

That’s definitely new

[next lagoon]

Cragged

[viral yarrow]

indeed

[dense quartz]

I kinda am doubting now considering the artwork uses current space stations instead of new ones.
But then again.... why include a space station in the artwork if they aren't significant.. hm.

[molten karma]

Did the games radar article list everything that was in the update or was it based only on a few details?

[viral yarrow]

there’s smoke coming out of it to emphasize the whole pirates attackin everything bit

[nocturne forum]

By datamined you mean its a leak for next update ? Or just some stuff that already there but hidden ?

[viral yarrow]

datamined as in datamined

like y’know, going thru the game files

like some game versions, experimentals especially, have little work in progress bits that dataminers have been able to bring to light

[next lagoon]

Does anyone now think there is gonna be a trailer today since they are hyping the ever all out of it on their soicials?

[compact coyote]

Echoes drops Thursday by the way

[nocturne forum]

Ik what a datamine is
But is it a datamine from the update ? Or from the version we all play on ?

Because in one point its a spoiler, in the other its just a theory

[compact coyote]

I think the trailer will come out today

[next lagoon]

When was the last time a trailer came out early??

[icy citrus]

Courtesy of u/EdgeM0

[viral yarrow]

coincidentally, some of the assets that have been datamined wayyy back can correlate with this, such as discovered content of more freighter assets (including an elevator and some venator looking hallways) and new space stations

[viral yarrow]

robo sex.

sorry i ment robot rituals mb

[carmine pollen]

Origins I think?

[viral yarrow]

AHH wait

[compact coyote]

Origins trailer came out like 30 mins before it released

[viral yarrow]

Big theory here, but perhaps those star destroyer looking freighter assets belong to the pirate freighters that’re gonna be included in this update? @icy citrus

[next lagoon]

Why would they have an article saying this Thursday unless if something gets revealed today

[carmine pollen]

Articles get published early by mistake all the time

Not saying that’s definitely the case here. But it does happen

[compact coyote]

Remember when NMS Desolation got leaked? The name I mean

[icy citrus]

Seems like

[molten karma]

I wonder if there'll be more to this update then what's listed in the article. It kind of seems vague to me.

[viral yarrow]

Cover art shows massive star destroyer lookin pirate freighter, i mean we have venator lookin freighters already but the one on the cover art looks massive, and it looks like they describe it on that post you sent

Didnt mention any onboard event with em though

[compact coyote]

I agree, there’s gotta be more to this

[next lagoon]

Breathe new life to the universe? Procedural fauna?

[blissful depot]

Ohhhh. I'm blind. I thought that was a pyramid ship, like form stargate or something 🤦‍♀️

That would be cool though

[viral yarrow]

same i thought it was a space station

[molten karma]

Yeah I hope for some variety that line leaves a lot to be desired and allows for a lot of hype and speculation.

[next lagoon]

Sean's got to be aware of the leaked article by now

[molten karma]

It just depends if a trailer releases early and how it portrays the update though.

[blissful depot]

HD poster

[carmine pollen]

I took the article to figuratively mean “breathes new life” by adding a new race. Not literal new procedural generation.

[compact coyote]

That’s gotta be one of my favorite NMS posters now

[blissful depot]

Agreed. It's oddly mesmerising

[dense quartz]

Yep, definitely one of the best artworks so far.

Frontiers and Waypoint artwork felt too recycled.

[next lagoon]

Looks like we will be eating well on Thursday boys

[compact coyote]

Origins poster was beautiful

[dense quartz]

HANG ON. One of the robots has a shoulder eye thing. So I think the appearance modifier will get changed to include the 6th race. And hopefully some other QoL improvements for that menu.

[carmine pollen]

Gorgeous

[normal dagger]

its so funny how this was enhanced using ai, its like on these movies when they ask the computers to enhance some blurry image

high investigation right there

[next lagoon]

I see something that looks like a gas giant on the left

[compact coyote]

That was in older posters

[dense quartz]

That's just a plant.

[sour fossil]

Could refer to having some abandoned systems become populated with the new race

[compact coyote]

Maybe!

[sour fossil]

HG adds new stuff on top of or by overwriting existing stuff

[compact coyote]

I’d hope so

[sour fossil]

Like how some extreme Sentinel planets became corrupted

[knotty mountain]

I'm so stoked for this update reading all this

[sour fossil]

So now imagine, 90% of red star systems abandoned

[molten karma]

I just hope we see some variety soon.

[sour fossil]

Have half of them become populated

[carmine pollen]

I thought of that as well!

[sour fossil]

That is breathing new life of a galactic scale

[carmine pollen]

Absolutely agree

[molten karma]

I hope that line implies a bit of variety but I have doubts it's probably just the robots.

[dense quartz]

@sour fossil Well the way Outlaws added pirate stations was random. Lots of people thought they only touched abandoned stations for some reason, but every single space station had a change to become a pirate station.

[carmine pollen]

I'm not expecting or hoping for anything specific. I just want to see the trailer!

[sour fossil]

Well I don't expect HG overwriting existing systems with a new race

[mental socket]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1e4BAlPN8ZtKMSdDvh4glQdme581pQx1g/view?usp=drivesdk

THE ARTICLE HAS BEEN REUPLOADED

yay

[sour fossil]

That would mess with ship spawning, frigates and freighter crews

[carmine pollen]

Yeah, abandoned systems are just sitting there waiting to be used and updated.

[dense quartz]

But that's exactly what Outlaws did. I dunno why it couldn't happen again with a new race.
Especially considering it's still a misnomer that outlaw stations were only added to abandoned systems.

[sour fossil]

No

Soalrs did not replace old ships

Solars spawn on top existing ones

There are some chances for each ship to be replaced by a solar

But the original ship seeds are still working for that system

I don't know if there were any changes to systems race when converting to outlaw system

[mental socket]

Also what's wrong about freighter or ship spawns getting shuffled? Isn't the whole discovery and excitement of finding new stuff the key point of those who argument against things like ship customization for example

if it even were to happen

[sour fossil]

For me it's not

But I don't represent the majority of playerbase who go after coords and are vocal on Reddit or Steam forums

[compact coyote]

Who’s ready for the multistaff

Looks sick

[sour fossil]

WE RAMATRA MAINS NOW

(OW2 robotic character who wields a staff)

[mental socket]

Heckin exciting sounding staff

[compact coyote]

YESSIR MULTISTAFF

[mental socket]

a leveling attribute system for it?!

whatte hecc yes please

[dense quartz]

The community constantly goes back and forth between wanting stuff to be unpredictable and exciting, and also very predictable and straight forward.

[icy citrus]

Standard insane gamers

<--- also crazy gamer

[sour fossil]

Keep in mind leveling could refer to anything

Like just installing upgrades with clases

[dense quartz]

That part about the staff... I really really hope it's not just another fetch quest mission to get an item that you put into your multitool that gives stuff a boost or whatever.
Another one of those things that sounds really cool but in practice it's just "That's it?"

[sour fossil]

Remember how Waypoint had "player level cap increased" in trailer?

[mental socket]

"I want more new random stuff. There's nothing to find or explore in NMS"

HG proceeds to add surprising new stuff

"Eww. What's this?! No!? I want my old stuff. Get that new stuff away"

[sour fossil]

Don't expect too crazy new mechanics when you can explain it with existing ones

[mental socket]

True

[sour fossil]

Thats letting them repurpose the existing code

Instead of making a new mess

[dense quartz]

Well I'd argue that's letting the players experience the same thing.

[icy citrus]

Staff upgrade station when

Want that S class

[sour fossil]

You stick it in monolith pedestal

[blissful depot]

Oh. I didn't know lol, I just took this off twitter.

[sour fossil]

And surround it with sacrificial cakes

[icy citrus]

Eeee, didn't hit send

[mental socket]

Completely agree.

Having players experience the same thing but in a different color or shape isn't exactly a very creative or fulfilling process. A big joy of gamedev as a passion comes from coming up with new and compelling gameplay systems that give the players actual unexpected and fresh experiences. Not the same old industry mould.

[knotty mountain]

So you don't upgrade the staff, but the staff has a cheeseburger on top and you can mod the cheeseburger in different combinations of flavors, but the staff only has cosmetic choice options

[icy citrus]

I'm all in

[mental socket]

what are these rituals? we summoning... Seantan?!

Sean Murray will manifest in the game

[knotty mountain]

It's like that mod where they retextured everything with Sean's face

[mental socket]

I was wondering what the new "sorcerer" dialog in settlement interactions was. One NPC dude was a "professional sorcerer" or something

[sour fossil]

Yeah good point

Winder will have to do textures for Staff of Seans

And models

[mental socket]

make it shoot Sean heads

the spell of Seanifying

[dense quartz]

You know, it took me until Interceptor to figure out why I didn't like most new content.. cause they always end in "..So you can get units." Every time.
Interceptor was the first update I can think of that had a gameplay loop revolved around ending up with a new ship and maintaining it with the new resources.

[sour fossil]

Let the Sean descend upon you!

[knotty mountain]

My big question is, who is this magical ass looking mf

Sorcerer?