nms-spoilers

[violet thunder]

|| The final interface is revealed. The Atlas beckons. ||

[heady heart]

hi, can someone help me out whats the difference in quest a trace of metal between quarantine the crew and let them go free, reddit is down so i came here 😅

[languid shell]

can someone help me with deciding whether i should let artemis live or die

[solar cairn]

Whatever feels right to you

[languid shell]

i feel like i dont know enough about artemis to decide

[solar cairn]

Think about their situation I guess.

Would you want to be in their situation?

[languid shell]

null mentioned how abandoning your friends was like the last thing or like greatest sin was to abandon your friends and i assume they were talking about how artemis went off and forgot about nada and polo (?)

a lot of the dialogue was very confusing for me
it feels like i dont even know who this person is and now i decide whether they die or live a shell of a life 🫠

[solar cairn]

Yep

Besides what does Null know about friendship

[languid shell]

thats true
what did you decide? and would you still stick with your choice?

[solar cairn]

I chose to let them go. And I'd still choose to let them go

[languid shell]

did they ever explain why she kinda just forgot about polo and nada

[solar cairn]

Oh, you'll find out about that later

[languid shell]

oh shit thanks

[solar cairn]

Things start clicking REAL fast after this decision

[languid shell]

i let her die, rip artemis
i suppose whatever she did was her peak of fuck around and find out

[solar cairn]

You'll see

[cloud plume]

well, this is a dilema, and there is definetly a better "deal", but you'll see later in the quest line

[languid shell]

i know something along the lines of if i let her live she gifts me some stuff or we can trade or something

[cloud plume]

well, is it worth it in the end?

you'll see, but i let him die in peace

[languid shell]

but i personally felt like letting her rest was the kind thing to do in this situation whereas letting her live just for me to like learn more about her felt a bit selfish on my part

[cloud plume]

well

ima do some spoiling if you allow me @languid shell

[languid shell]

how big of a spoiler

[cloud plume]

minor

just about this moment

[languid shell]

sure then

[cloud plume]

Artemis is a traveller

he was made for exploring

do you think it's fair to trap him into the 1 system simulation of nada?

[languid shell]

yeahhh i thought about that too
for someone whos curiosity lead them to death it didnt seem fair to trap them in this tiny ecosystem just coz i want to

[cloud plume]

well

if you chose to put him in, he will forever be sad, and other entity in the anomaly will be kind of sad? idk never tried but i saw people complaining about what they did

[languid shell]

i saw that too
where some people regret letting her live for as long as she did

couldnt see much tho coz the reddit is down x_x

[cloud plume]

well

if reddit wasn't doing shit

maybe the sub would be open rn

[unborn bough]

Found someting interesting in the save editor.

In the future we may have "hologram in hand" emotes.

blob, ship, and few other things.

[analog breach]

Anyone found intresting that on corupted planet all dead sentinels that have atlantidium seeping out of them are normal sentinels not the corupted ones?

[cloud plume]

wasn't this found some time ago? anyway it's cool to have a confirmation ^^

[merry estuary]

The corrupted ones are the ones that survived the transformation

[unborn bough]

Oh was it? Dunno, I was going through save editor and found it. Had no idea it was already found. 😅

[cloud plume]

well, some peoples where thinking it would be new emotes

like NPC have

[unborn bough]

It's gonna be

[cloud plume]

but maybe it will be just some more animations, you call a ship, you hold the hologram for a few secs

well

will be fun to mess with

[unborn bough]

Character will bring hand forward and show hologram

That's what the icon looks like

[cloud plume]

yea, like NPC

[unborn bough]

Yeah

Would be nice to have new emotes 😄

[cloud plume]

well, those seems more to be able to communicate in some way with other players

like both of them don't speak english, but they can still show a bit what they want to do

[analog breach]

We just need txt chat box

[cloud plume]

well, if you don't speak english

and i only understand english

we are screwed

[gusty stream]

They announced this in the interceptor update I'm sure

[unborn bough]

They didn't

[cloud plume]

if i remember well, it was discovered a bit before interceptors

i think it was with the discovery of the space station models

[analog breach]

The holograms where in nmsapp earlier but hg removed them and now added them again

[cloud plume]

hum

[tender spindle]

So do the corrupted sentinels belong to the Void Mother? That seems to be what the game is implying

[bright whale]

So does the save get deleted if I DO decide to end the simulation?

[bronze willow]

no

[bright whale]

What happens

[bronze willow]

you get 4 options to "create" new galaxies

[bright whale]

oh

[bronze willow]

and u get sent to the galaxy you chose

if you refuse the atlas you lose the option to galaxy travel this way

thats about it (you either reset the one time and get a new galaxy or you refuse the atlas and galaxy travel via galactic center)

[bright whale]

Interesting

So it doesn't like barr me from Euclid or anything

[tender spindle]

No

[bronze willow]

nah you can always go back if you want

[bright whale]

oh sick

[bronze willow]

tbh it doesnt have any real consequences only lore ones

[bright whale]

nifty, well my first playthrough it scared me outta mind, the thought of losing all my shit

this is good to know tho

[bronze willow]

yeah lol nothing will wipe ur save

[tender spindle]

Making a new universe is basically just new game plus

[bright whale]

second smaller question

putting Artemis in the computer doesn't reward me with anything rihht

[bronze willow]

nah it all leads up to the option to refuse or reset

[tender spindle]

I just let Artemis die

[bronze willow]

theres very minimal variation between those

basically everything you do will not change gameplay, just the story path

[bright whale]

interesting

yeah I think Artemis has been through enouhh at that point

[tender spindle]

Besides, they're already dead anyway

[uncut harness]

I don't think by rejecting the atlas do you become unable to fly back to center to travel through, I think u just refuse to reset the current iteration that null left off..and therefore refusing the title "the last" hence you've been asked is it first...is it last...meaning what cycle "itteration" are u in. Amd using reset u become the last traveler (New Null)

[dense quartz]

We bring Nada a dead dude in pieces, Nada's like "We can rebuild him and retreive his mind, no problem, we'll get every traveler to help with this!"

.. We bring Nada a dead Artemis, Nada's like "Lol just let her die or trap her soul idk can't be bothered"

It's not fair, I tell you

[cloud plume]

the concept is not dead XD

he was never alive, that's different

Artemis died some time ago, and the only left is a spark of consciousness

• the concept will be working with a million of conscious, it's litteraly a hive mind

we are litteraly playing god, creating something new

something never to be seen before

[dense quartz]

I see 🤔

Still, I can't help but wish we could just put Artemis in a simulation in our freighter and have that thing project a hologram of Artemis where she can walk around the base. At least that way she can experience the whole universe through your freighter's base 😭

[merry estuary]

Artemis, like any character in NMS, is genderless fyi

[cloud plume]

well, the gender is like : traveller

and when someone is like : what's in you pants

you answer : travel

[cloud plume]

i don't this artemis can experience anything anymore, he died, it's only a spark

putting artemis in the nada's simulation whould be like preserving the same few minutes in a very small cage

in other words, a torture

artemis died some time ago, let him sleep in peace

[dense quartz]

Let me have this

[merry estuary]

Feels like what we are experiencing, in a way

[cloud plume]

well, kinda, but we can still move

[merry estuary]

We are living the same 16 minutes as a scan of the creator

Artemis can also still move, they have a system

[cloud plume]

we are not stuck in a strange world where nothing happen

[merry estuary]

We are not stuck?

How so?

[cloud plume]

well, we are stuck in the simulation

[dense quartz]

I think Artemis in the simulation is only limited to one system, whereas we can travel between systems and galaxies

[cloud plume]

but we have a bit more liberty, we have galaxy, countless worlds to explore

imagin being stuck in 1 solar system

knowing you're bugging out and living the same minutes again and again

[merry estuary]

I dont think Artemis ever gets to know they are in a simulation

But there is a reason I did not put them in the simulation.

[cloud plume]

we don't, because it's cruel

[merry estuary]

There is no right and wrong ultimately

[cloud plume]

well, only suffering or no

[merry estuary]

Maybe.

There are people who prefer to live a miserable life than not to live at all

[cloud plume]

well

[merry estuary]

For them, it may not be suffering

[cloud plume]

that's another question

[merry estuary]

That is the question it is all about, whether Artemis should be put into the sim

[dense quartz]

I think she does if we tell her

[merry estuary]

Again, genderless. And why would you tell them?

[cloud plume]

well, so do we

[merry estuary]

We never had a choice

We dont exist outside of this sim, Artemis at least used to

[cloud plume]

we don't exist

[cloud plume]

whut?

[merry estuary]

Ah sorry. I meant, outside the sim we consider putting them into

[cloud plume]

ahhhh

for a moment i was like : WHAT????????

what if the atlas is himself a simulation, the world he's talking about is a simulation, he's nothing and the 16 secs is the time left for this simulation

somehow the atlas had gained access to this information

and now he know he's getting erased in 16 secs, after simulating universes and getting data for the "real" world

[merry estuary]

There is no need for atlas to be in a sim for that

[cloud plume]

why not?

why he wouldn't be a simulation himself

[merry estuary]

Well he is an AI, but there is no reason for him to be in a sim when it should generate data for the real world, unless they wanna fake it into something

Which I dont see the reason for since they could just code it in

[cloud plume]

maybe what the atlas said to null (the possiblity of creating infinite universe) is the same that happen

a civilisation simulating machine who are able to simulate other machine ect....

[merry estuary]

That is what atlas does, simulates everything

[cloud plume]

and every 16 secondes, the main simulations have a reset to clear space in the memory

yea, but what is the atlas is simulated specificaly to do this

kind of a recursion

[merry estuary]

Again, whats the point of that

[cloud plume]

questioning about the reality?

[dense quartz]

Every 16 seconds the simulation resets? Wha
Isn't it that in 16 minutes the whole situation will shutdown?

[cloud plume]

16 minutes or secondes, i don't remember this XD

[merry estuary]

16 minutes

[cloud plume]

well

we have 16 minutes to figure it out, if this even have a meaning XD

[dense quartz]

I believe the lore is the whole simulation will die in 16, but the Abyss/corruption/void mother is trying to prevent it.

The atlas station pulsates every 16 seconds though, but I don't think that had meaning, just a nifty visual trivia thing

[cloud plume]

Korvax Prime is here to save the world

what

nada's terminal is called the Prime something

is Nada helping the void mother?

[dense quartz]

I have no idea. Honestly, the ARG nature of HG's storytelling makes me wanna not bother.
I'm happy others are enjoying decoding everything, but I personally prefer to have all the answers in the game.. something about having to write down codes and then google it etc completely takes me out of it

[cloud plume]

well, i'm not into it either, but i like thinking about, suggesting stuff, even if most of the time it's not based on something solid

[merry estuary]

Speculating is really fun

[solar cairn]

It gets my brain all sparky

I love it, like a great puzzle

A mystery, and discovering the answers while being encouraged to think outside the box just clicks with me

[dense quartz]

Yeah I understand, kinda wish it was more my thing is all

Like, I can see how it could be fun, but unfortunately it's not for me 😅

[solar cairn]

It's all good

That's me with more... Common things, like reading books to enjoy the story in them, I don't connect with characters emotionally so. It just doesn't work for me

[deft pelican]

i wonder if we can own space stations

[solar cairn]

Maybe one day

[clever loom]

so i have a question the final choice of the expedition is there a way to get both construct heads and not just one

also what does the final choice even mean i dont know the difference between a mechanical and stellar mind

ok nvm looked it up

i just need to reload a save

[solar cairn]

Yes

[solar cairn]

This is reliant on the other lore, and what you went through on the expedition

[clever loom]

so adlantid is mechanical and crimson is more of an actual mind

[solar cairn]

Not quite

Atlantid is like the antithesis of Atlas.

The Crimson is for Atlas wired for the new shell, while Atlantid is more so Void Mother wired.

If that makes sense

[clever loom]

ok yeah that makes more sense

the story telling is very cryptic at times

thanks

oh shit reloading the auto save didn't work well time to do the whole expedition over again

[orchid relic]

reload the "restore point" you made previously, not the "auto save" that immediately updates after you claim one of the two

[glass flare]

Has anyone logged what the ||Construct|| says when talking to it after making your choice in the expedition? It apparently randomly chooses phrases to say and there’s quite a few. Would love to see the Atlantid phrases

[outer cobalt]

Is this what you are referring to?
#nms-arg-2023 message

[glass flare]

Ah thank you yes. And there's some good discussion there, I wish all of that was in this channel because it all relates to existing lore, and it's going to be hard to keep track of everything in split channels

[solar cairn]

I have, it is the same message regardless of choices when prompted many times

[glass flare]

Pixy's link shows that the responses are different based on your choice. the other choice from what I did definitely has different things

[oak bone]

how do i lite the convergence?

[small pier]

The detail on the new robot anomaly race is utterly insane, I mean there is logical asthetic detail

[compact coyote]

Anyone have theories on what the construct will be used for in the future?

[glass flare]

the expedition was so light on tangible lore that it's really hard to tell. surely this won't be the end of it, but at the same time I feel like making a guess would just be a shot in the dark. The way they force you into a choice makes me think all those player choices were recorded and will come back into play in a future update, but in what respect I'm clueless

[small pier]

Agreed.
All we know is that we now have a new race that will part part of the world now and that Void Prime/Void Mother is trying to get into the normal universe and out of the deleted space.

My guess is we'll get a new themeatic universe that is fully corrupted or have large splotches on the universe map of stars that are now infected and have their own type of flora and fauna ect; only thing I can think. There's also all those Station B skins unused too

[dense quartz]

I find it really interesting how HG is introducing new stuff with this ARG
Instead of just adding new content ideas completely, they're spoonfeeding us.
With Interceptor they showed a bramd new race but they didn't exist yet.
Now they exist.
.. I guess in part 3 we'll find out what they do lol

[cloud plume]

they don't exist yet, we build something, with the help of someone

but what is the concept

we don't know

[dense quartz]

Yeah we built a duder and all we can do is just look at each other basically.
So I'm curious what's next since that's where the expedition ends

[cloud plume]

maybe he build another concept, and they start having kids

[dense quartz]

It feels more like a setup for something rather than a conclusion 🤔

Omai

[cloud plume]

and then the universe belong to them

[dense quartz]

Well, he was made out of lubricant amd seed afterall

[cloud plume]

they kill every living things due to their nature

bruh XD

[dense quartz]

[cloud plume]

you can make kids with an assembly line -_-

you weirdo

XD

[glass flare]

the fact that we haven't much in the way of content updates this year yet makes me think they are in fact planning a larger update that the expedition is leading into. but I don't want to overhype myself

[cloud plume]

we are already overhyped

i think peoples don't' understand why we want to finish expeditions fast

WE

NEED

LOREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

[dense quartz]

Sean said they're aiming to make 2023 "a big one" and "bigger than 2022"
Seeing how we're halfway through 2023 with only one content update and 2 expeditions.. they probably are planning something really big

I hope it involves those leaked space stations so much

[cloud plume]

same

personaly i just hope this will not be in a dozen 7GO update

but in one massive thing

so i can go at a friend house and have speedy internet

instead of having days of suffering at home

[glass flare]

well in their terms they probably count PSVR2 support and the Mac port (which was announced a year ago) as being part of those updates, even if the community may not see it that way. but yeah I'm sure the Atlantid stuff is heading for something

I remember one of the Seed descriptions said something about "an expansion of a limitless new world" and I was like "yes Sean, that"

I do feel like we're heading for something big. I already felt that with Interceptor. After a long narrative dry spell things are finally changing in the NMS universe, and that can't be without purpose

[dense quartz]

I wasn't around for Waking Titan but I'm guessing this is basically on that level where it's leading up to something, except now they're using the game itself to provide clues for the future in the form of expeditions and gameplay?

[sour fossil]

"big" could also related just to the fact they are commiting to the story

They announced Singularity is part 2 of 4 (?) arcs of it

[dense quartz]

Yeah maybe. For the longest time I've just been thinking it means more content 🤣

[supple bramble]

hey guys

a kicker: ||thicc void mom||

i'm sorry...

[analog breach]

To late

R34 is already probably boiling right now. 😂

[supple bramble]

pfft :v

[alpine elbow]

wow

reee

[analog breach]

Void mother probably dont have any body. If she even has some form. Maybe closest look would be something simliar to shodan from System shock

[mental socket]

whatever remnants were left after the destruction of Korvax Prime. I'm imagining some scraps of tech, reconstructed using sentinel parts and station cores

[cloud plume]

r34 void mother?

hum

i'm sure people did this to the atlas, who's a big red ball

[cedar charm]

@quaint mason See that beam of light on the left? You have to interact with the pillar marked by it. It'll be further into the station than where the atlas usually is.

After that another pillar will have a light over it, so you interact with that one, and so on in sequence until they're all lit up.

[quaint mason]

Yeah I saw something like this I'm pretty sure lol, I went to the thing in the center and was confused why I couldn't react 🤣

[cedar charm]

After the outer ones are all lit up, THEN you can use the middle one.

@quaint mason

[quaint mason]

WOah cool

K

[gray tinsel]

Thanks but I've been here and did the quest @cedar charm

[latent ingot]

@uncut harness ok, I've been trying to figure out what I'm missing

I know I have 10 derelict logs left to find

As far as I can tell, everything is completed in the story and others

Still missing 5 when the 10 derelicts are accounted for

[uncut harness]

The way derelict logs are set out is a little odd

[latent ingot]

Seems procedural from looking at the json entries

[uncut harness]

Theres 6, 6, 4 and 2

rather than an even number of each

6 V'ykeen, 6 Korvax, 4 gek, and 2 unaffiliated

[latent ingot]

Ah yeah, and there seems to rhyme or reason for which you get (like system race)

[uncut harness]

yeah, afaik its random

but set per system

[latent ingot]

Just sitting at 528/543 and the last 5 are bugging me

[uncut harness]

so one story per system, but nothing will determine which story a system has

[uncut harness]

do you know which 5 youre missing?

[latent ingot]

Yes, that's whay I've gathered

Might take hundreds of derelicts to get them all

[latent ingot]

No, that's what is bugging me

[uncut harness]

Helithe was able to find them all, but it took some time

[latent ingot]

Some stuff on the resourcrs site states it isn't logged

[uncut harness]

not sure exactly how long though

[latent ingot]

I've tried the Remembrance terminals but nothing is logged from them as far as I can tell

[uncut harness]

they arent logged unfortunately

you got all 10 entries from each race archive?

[latent ingot]

Unless they're from the older weekend missions that had a story, and then I would be out of luck - but those have more than 5 entries

Yes, all archives, plaques, and monoliths was my first completion

[uncut harness]

and youre certain you have them all? sometimes theyre a bit weird, expecially the multiple choice ones, and they dont like to stick in the log

[latent ingot]

Yeah, I've even counted entry by entry

[uncut harness]

so youre thinking youre missing derelict entries?

[latent ingot]

I know I am, but there are 5 items that I don't know what they might belong to

When accounting for everything I currently show and for what is on the resources I come to 538/543 every time

[uncut harness]

boundary failures, sentinel pillars and traveller graves all done?

[latent ingot]

Yes

Even underwater ruins

[uncut harness]

They used to be stored, but arent anymore, might be something to do with languages?

[latent ingot]

Even Emergence

Could be? I haven't finished them yet

[uncut harness]

Also missions, like the atlas and artemis path, and BCA sometimes trips people up

[latent ingot]

Closest on Vykeen so I may power through and see if that ticks something off

All of those are completed

[uncut harness]

All the base people too?

[latent ingot]

I assume so anyway, as they show ○○○ at the bottom

Story yes, but I haven't done a daily mission from any of them. Wonder if that may be it

[uncut harness]

Im guessing theres nothing in your log except the 2/3 main missions then

[latent ingot]

Correct

[uncut harness]

autophages? I dont think theyre stored, but its worth checking

[latent ingot]

Tried, aren't stored but I've hit every number

I thought it may have been memory fragments but when I checked the old Exp7 save there's nothing stored for those

[uncut harness]

hmmmm

[latent ingot]

Yah, I've definitely been stumped

[uncut harness]

It might be worth checking to just make sure you havent missed any of the non linear ones

[latent ingot]

Such as?

[uncut harness]

monoliths give you extracts in a random order, so it makes it easier to accidentally miss some

same with archives and traveller graves iirc

which is different to abandoned buildings and boundary failures, which have a set order and stop giving extracts when you finish them all

[latent ingot]

I'll hit up a few more to see and finish off a language to see if there's any change

If I'm being honest this has been a focus just to take a break from derelicts for a bit. I've done at least 75 and have 9 entries.

[uncut harness]

sounds like youre missing 9 derelict entries total then

which would leave a pesky one entry

[latent ingot]

It's definitely been a worthwhile journey tho. Sentinel Pillars are definitely top 3 now

[uncut harness]

sentinel pillar lore is amazing

[latent ingot]

Ok just checked...derelicts I have logged

2 unknown race entries
3 Korvax
2 Gek
2 Vykeen

[uncut harness]

3 korvax, 2 gek, and 4 vykeen to go

[rigid jackal]

How Artemis died

Apollo walked through portal...who caught him?

[simple whale]

Artemis had been dead for a while. I think they were killed by Sentinels or something.

[solar cairn]

Yeah, in game you can prompt it many times and see repeated messages. I saw both Crimson and Glass

Maybe it's a bug

[gusty stream]

skill issue

[rigid jackal]

Just had

Weird talk with Atlas

Are we players even real or is it all fake ?

I think...I believe its real. Cant be simulation 👅

[solar cairn]

Well

Best advice: keep going

Don't wanna spoil the fun

[merry estuary]

He says while strolling about in #nms-spoilers :P

[rigid jackal]

Speak freely

[solar cairn]

Yes

[rigid jackal]

Game is freezing again so it will take some time

Just visiting Anomaly to report death of Atlas

Lets go

[solar cairn]

Was it death?

[glass flare]

I was thinking again of my research during Waking Titan about the connections to Shakespeare that were happening, and specifically A Midsummer's Night Dream. To briefly summarize, in that play Titania, queen of the fairies, wakes after being given a potion. She falls in love with a human when she wakes and wants to turn her into a fairy to make him immortal and always be with her (sound familiar?). During Waking Titan, one of the websites was Echo, a company that could create AI versions of dead people. The first prototype of that company's tech was named F.A.Y. Fay is a literary term for a fairy, which ties back with Titania, queen of the fairies, and the in-game term "echo" which has been used in the NMS lore and quite often in the latest expedition. So if there is a "queen of the echoes" in NMS, it must be Void Mother.

It always seemed to me that we were "waking' Emily aka loop16 during Waking Titan by feeding it data and that Emily was in effect Titania. I does make me wonder if Emily is Void Mother. Emily was supposedly deleted (a self-sacrifice), but we know from NMS that things we thought were deleted end up the world of glass and can break out

[solar cairn]

So... I was told by the forum, that Waking Titan wasn't canon

[digital epoch]

So basically the Vykeen high Court killed the wife and the child of the specialist

[uncut harness]

Why?

I need more info

[digital epoch]

Mainly because of hearcy

[uncut harness]

Whassat

[digital epoch]

Basically going against the Vy'keen high Court

[uncut harness]

Oh ok

[glass flare]

it is canon according to Sean, it is basically the origin story for NMS

[gray tinsel]

Hey guys

I don't think I saw anyone talk about it, but I'm pretty sure those terminals that need the final seed from the Atlas mission

Has a brand new message

I put the red thing and activated one of them and I'm pretty sure it gave me a different message than last time

[cloud plume]

do you have the message?

[solar cairn]

I'm just parroting from the forum ran by then. Hello Games controls it.

https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/singularity-arg-discussion-and-speculation/8035/37?u=muzzer55555

[merry estuary]

Waking Titan is long over but its not canon to NMS so its unlikely to be connected to Waking Titan.

Did an AI write this?

[icy citrus]

Sounds like Jupiter to me

[compact coyote]

What’s the message?

[spring hawk]

pigoree what is the message

dont leave us on a cliffhanger

[solar cairn]

It was

I could share here what I said there.

I'm pretty suspicious of Nada now

[glass flare]

It's just a user on the forum sharing their opinion, who is not an employee of Hello Games. So I wouldn't take their word as gospel about whether WT is canon or not

Sean's message to the community at the end of season 1 of Waking Titan said this: You've become part of the No Man's Sky origin story.

source: https://wiki.gamedetectives.net/index.php?title=Waking_Titan/Phase_3

[gray tinsel]

I don't remember the planet I went to guys🤧🤧

I remember it def being a new message because the last one was really short

If I'll find it again I'll let yall know

[spring hawk]

NOOOOO

😭

[gray tinsel]

If I remember correctly the 1st message talked about the creator of the Atlas

And now this one mentioned something new that happened after that

I'll try finding it again later after that

[analog breach]

Anyone knows what are the rewards after the holograms in nms assistant app?

[gray tinsel]

There's an assistant app??

[solar cairn]

It also says:
We're calling it Atlas Rises.
It focuses on improving the central story of No Man’s Sky and adds the ability to quick travel between locations using portals. Patch notes will be made available shortly before the update goes live."

Central story. I'll still share this with the forum, but this isn't the only skepticism I have

[solar cairn]

Something has been given me an interest. And now I am Suspicious of Nada. Reason being, there was dialogue in the 4th prayer when you communed with the Atlas interface, where I guess it’s just mental chatter of the player’s Anomaly calling Nada’s disposition and anger against Atlas. As far as to say A Falsity. But, Nada is creating Echo seeds, while Atlas is also creating seeds. A New Atlantid coming, which we know is also a nother way to say Void Mother. Could elude to Nada, as well as “The cycle continues”

That and the new shell, construct, Polo built remembered its old shell, remarking as it was melted once.

"wait5"

We know Nada's simulation was the same one when Korvax Prime was destroyed, and that Nada is not a part of the Convergence

This is the first time I saw them openly create something against Atlas

[fierce bobcat]

Is being a robot an Anomaly thing or?

[solar cairn]

Like, in context with the expedition?

[fathom tapir]

I'm not sure what you're asking

[fierce bobcat]

the construct body and heads

is that for the anomaly race?

or is it its own?

[fathom tapir]

You get it from completing the expedition, then you can redeem it into your main file

[solar cairn]

Oooh, yes. It's in the Anomaly tab

[fierce bobcat]

ah ok

just curious

[pastel magnet]

The body is available for all five races. The heads are only for the Anomaly race.

[fierce bobcat]

nice

I can be a Cybergek

[digital epoch]

Quick question, ||if the korvax send their nanites in the spawning pools of gek world, why didn't they just moved to another?||

[rigid jackal]

What now

[signal stump]

that's JUST HOW IT IS

[signal stump]

reset, i didn't choose it idk what happens

there is no other way

[rigid jackal]

I dont want reset

[signal stump]

then refuse

[rigid jackal]

What is better

Help me get better result

[rigid jackal]

?

[fierce bobcat]

Ask if there is another way

[signal stump]

||it allows you to live with the knowledge it's all gonna end||

[signal stump]

||there is no other way||

[tame grotto]

spoiler tags not required here btw just in all the other channels, for lore and datamined content

[rigid jackal]

Tried

Got yeeted on random planet

Game crashed xD

[rigid jackal]

There is datamine channel?

[tame grotto]

i meant, this is the channel for both topics. lore and any content that's found datamining the codebase.

[merry estuary]

Reset means you get transported to one of four galaxies, refuse means you stay in Euclid. Nothing else happens

[rigid jackal]

Euclid rulez

[merry estuary]

Unnecessary.

[gray tinsel]

I think the ending of the game is beautiful and a metaphor for life

Eventually life will cease to exist anywhere, and we will be back to the void once more

And the devs really captured the meaning of it by giving you a huge universe to goof around in, knowing it doesn't matter because it's a simulation that's about to end

[thorny rover]

@raven sky
Basically the whole universe of NMS is a simulation made by the supercomputer Atlas

So because its a simulation, it doesn't have to respect logic

[raven sky]

wait wut

oh

that hurts

[merry estuary]

Truth tends to do that

[mental socket]

It's funny to think about really. If our universe was a simulation, it would make no significant change to our day to day life apart from existential dread

Everything we experience. Pain, joy, fear etc. would still feel as real to us as they have until this point. World would simply work as it always has.

By this ideology I can find meaning in the world of NMS even after the story revelation whilst some struggle to have any point in playing when the "universe is just a simulation"

[thorny rover]

This summarises it.

[mental socket]

[compact coyote]

The writing in NMS is absolutely fantastic

I think we can all agree

[buoyant herald]

so is it explained how an engine runs off a reality intrusion

[brisk plaza]

where can I read up on the lore of this game? It's all so confusing to me lol.

[icy citrus]

Not sure this will help but
https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Lore

[spring hawk]

I find that the wiki's lore page is a bit barebones, but its decent for a start

[solar cairn]

Not yet, there are floating guesses, but nothing concrete yet

Heck, even the travellers we meet in space stations shouldn't exist according to Telamon, so this thing with Void Mother could've been happening since the beginning

[buoyant herald]

im new and not that far in, i have no clue what most of that means

[solar cairn]

Is ok

[small pier]

Do we have a datamine section for the Discord here or can we discuss datamines here in spoilers?

[solar cairn]

We can discuss datamined content here

[orchid relic]

||Space Station Reworks!||

[solar cairn]

Oh, that isn't new

Also, don't need spoiler tags here either

I actually need to check on the ETARC peeps, see what they cobbled together

[stark bay]

Should I let artemis live or die

[merry estuary]

Sounds harsh, but doesnt matter for the game

[stark bay]

I don't matter where

Either*

[solar cairn]

That is true. In the context of NMS

[ornate wing]

does ressetting the simulator or refusing the atlas, do anything different then the other option?

[pure night]

Reset simulater gives you 4 options to send to 4 different galaxies

Doesn't do anything major except start you in a new galaxy like you just started the game but still have all your stuff

You will have to make repairs on your starship and maybe exosuit and multi-tool

@ornate wing ^^ sry forgot to mention lol

[ornate wing]

thank you

this is helpful

most thigns make a difference

but this does

thanks

[pure night]

I have access to galaxy 1 thru 28 or 29.

[ornate wing]

jeeez

[pure night]

Think there is what 256 or so

[ornate wing]

yea

[pure night]

I get board and warp to new galaxy and get to center of that galaxy put up a base comp then warp to next one lol

I was on a run to get to all galaxies then got tied up by expoditions and stuff lol

[ornate wing]

lol

good job though

[pure night]

So. Anyone else not liking the suit we get from New expo? I mean yuk

[timber sedge]

Excerpt from Boundry Failure 1st encounter

SCENARIO: Sub-routine ‘Sentinel’ [20491] dispatched to intervene in lifeform designates [--------] war. Removal from history / Continuation of [CREATOR] protocols.

Telamon cassually sending 20 thousand sentinels

[solar cairn]

As one does

[small pier]

Did we ever figure out what that unique looking Alantid NPC was for, I remember it being datamined during the Expedition, he has a vest on and a staff?

[icy citrus]

Nope

[small pier]

That makes me wonder if we're not done with the ARG in some capacity 🤔 or maybe it could be a preview of the next Update or Expedition.

[gloomy isle]

I wouldn't even say it's an arg, honestly

It's arg style clues about the lore and story

[gentle thicket]

hi folks, is there a place with all ARG clues from Exp 10 please ?

(just saw the #nms-arg-2023 nevermind sorryyyy 🙂 )

[solar cairn]

This is just the beginning. But no IRL connection yet.

Some things have been ran through a Spectrogram, others decoded, but it feels foundational. Nothing conclusive

[sharp musk]

You wouldnt have EVEN REMEMBERED if they wiped your memory, cause, obviously, they wiped your memory.

THEY WHO

IT WHAT?!

THAT IS NOT GOOD-

meh no wonder it was called that

[timber sedge]

You wouldnt have EVEN REMEMBERED if they wiped your memory, cause, obviously, they wiped your memory.

I always thought similiar to the fact that maybe the ATLAS has been wiped but in this moment it finds clues that indicate it had been wiped. Lack of data where data should be, an inturruption chronolgy, broken registires to places that dont exist so on and so forth

[solar cairn]

Patterns do be present

[simple whale]

I'm almost done with the expedition, and they're making me choose how I "breathe life into the Construct." Does it matter which one I choose?

[fervent lake]

Game theory

All galaxies we have in the game aren't co-existing simultaneously, but in a direct timeline, making Hilbert galaxy the one which is created after Atlas resets the Euclid one, Calypso created after resetting Hilbert and so on.
The nature of travel between the galaxies (via the core) creates a time pathway, and when our teleporters connect with each other through galaxies it's that time pathway which they use for it after you travel through it (or someone else if you use their base teleporter via the anomaly)

[toxic echo]

I’m on the purge mission, and the Atlas quest line just disappeared, will it come back or is choosing to explore the wrong option

[merry estuary]

#nms-expedition

[toxic echo]

If I choose to reset the simulation, will all of the systems get reset? And if I refuse, what happens?

[heady wyvern]

You'll be sent to the next galaxy of the type you choose afterwards. You can still return to Euclid at any time via the bases you have established here.

[toxic echo]

Ah tysm

Is there a way to return to the new galaxy after I reset?

[heady wyvern]

Establish a base in the new galaxy before returning to Euclid.

Only a base computer is required. Any of your bases can serve as a teleport destination, even if the base has no teleport terminus.

[unreal heart]

If I follow through with Altas do my generations count also reset to 0?

[solar cairn]

No

You take those deaths with pride

[snow gust]

does anyone know alot of the artimis quotes? i wanna try putting them in text document

[solar cairn]

There are datamined sites

[wet copper]

I wonder how far the plot for this game will go narratively, if it will ever conclude or just ride off into some philosophical sunset of nonsensical verbs and nouns

I'd be fine with either option, but I wonder sometimes when the story hints at some concrete world building narrative

[tulip tangle]

Does everyone get the same model or does it vary between saves?

[quaint mason]

Model of?

[chrome pike]

What is the purpose of feeding the lost circuits in the expedition

[heady wyvern]

Interceptor models are procedurally generated, same as other ship types.

[mental socket]

this

[tulip tangle]

I assumed that much, was just wondering about, specifically the "first" one, provided to everyone in the course of the expedition

[mental socket]

never even got one in the expedition

aren't those random

[heady wyvern]

There's only one model of interceptor per system, so if the expedition requires all players to get their interceptors from the same system...

[tulip tangle]

@heady wyvern Solid, logical answer! Thank you 🙂

@mental socket Part of the expedition is to fit a sentinel ship in the first phase, so you would have to get one... ?

[runic mesa]

@tulip tangle

Getting an interceptor ship isn't required to finish Singularly. I played the whole expo with the starting solar.

||You are just required to interact with the harmonic camp terminal. Activating the dissonant spike is completely optional.||

[tulip tangle]

There are several milestones related to booting that sentinel ship. Are they different depending on the dissonace thing?@runic mesa

[runic mesa]

Sounds like you activated the interceptor subquest by going to the spike coordinates. That has nothing to do with the expedition.

In my run, I unlocked the camp terminal, activated the dissonant spike. But then just ignored it. Never went there and just continued the expo.

[tulip tangle]

@runic mesa On second look, seems you're right. I only imagined that the Interceptor portion was part of the milestones

---

Is the starter ship always a solar type in the Expo?

[runic mesa]

I believe so. Though I've only played through it once.

[rain jolt]

Korvax was just a Biological AI soul tho whereas several of the Gek turned into Korvax

I didn't remember the story

Have to play that quest again tho

[sharp musk]

Well yeah it does give proof Artemis died

[wise ermine]

No one told me when I get to the center that all my stuff gets destroyed 🫠now I need to fix a lot of things 😭

[merry estuary]

Well, did you ask?

[haughty yew]

You should've taken the intergalactic cab service smh

[wise ermine]

lol right sadly I was doing story so it took me to the center now I need to fix my sentinel ship 😅

[buoyant herald]

is there a lore or story reason why refining larvel cores is called not recommended

[dense quartz]

Imagine going through it with a living ship.
....Those parts require crap that's next to impossible to get.

[wise ermine]

O god 😭 sadly u need to go through it for story and in less u look it up u would never know

[dense quartz]

Yeah the game do be trolling

Well the good news is that Waypoint finally allowed us to store tech away, so it doesn't break when we make a jump

[buoyant herald]

so do we have a clear answer on what glass is, i think i have an idea

[cloud plume]

well, yes but no, it's long gone, so maybe not dead

[icy citrus]

That specific iteration of Artemis is dead

Doesn't mean there aren't a bajillion more

[digital epoch]

Are sentinel tools alive?

[merry estuary]

Are sentinels alive?

[uncut harness]

Soo uhh what actually are we, can anyone explain without spoilers about the game beginning and stuff

I might have forgor sumthin

[mental socket]

copies of the creator of Atlas

[digital epoch]

We are something that the atlas created

[uncut harness]

So what are we actually doing,how did we end up in this game

[digital epoch]

Basically atlas wanted answers about his creation so he created many travellers but none of them had the original creator's memories

[uncut harness]

That's weird way of getting an answer but cool

[digital epoch]

Well to be fair he did copied the creator but the data got corrupted

So the memory was gone

[solar cairn]

Now, that's definitely a new interpretation

[sharp musk]

well yeah, you have a point, artemis was alive, but did die as soon as you find the grave using the portal

[solar cairn]

@uncut harness hey, remember when we were question the creation and evolution of the travellers?

In the forum, they brought up this.

https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/singularity-arg-discussion-and-speculation/8035/129?u=muzzer55555

This kinda spurred my thought, what if the data that Atlas saved of it's creator progressively got more corrupted with each use?

As well as some ties to the Ariadne, and the open ends with that story

[uncut harness]

I presume the differences were because the data was scattered and split across all the travellers, but corruption also makes sense

[solar cairn]

That too

[uncut harness]

anyway, I have more than enough time now to get on with NMSLOKI

I just need to work out what to do with it

[solar cairn]

The first was made from corrupt data, so I was the first I thought of

I have to move house soon™ so, my hands are still a bit full

[uncut harness]

Thats fair, Ill tell you if I actually decide to start something lol

[bright ruin]

how are both the vykeen and Gek masters in combat?
why did the Gek stop being the "best" in combat?

[solar cairn]

Well you see. Some nanites "spilled" into their spawning pools

[unborn bough]

I was typing a god damn wall of text but discord decided it was spam.

Thank you discord.

Ain't gonna type it all again, GRAH!

@bright ruin you'll have to do with screenshots of the message instead xD

[solar cairn]

Hehehheheheheheheheh

Even Discord said no

[unborn bough]

Even discord booli me

[solar cairn]

Maybe it's an intervention?

[unborn bough]

Nah! It's a fail safe

[tame grotto]

I'm reporting you Bot hungry for riches

[unborn bough]

Everybody booli me. I cri.

[bright ruin]

also true lol

[bright ruin]

holy crap, thank you a ton for typing all that, absolutely insane! such a cool read!
and yeah, F discord lmao

[solar cairn]

Details, details

[safe kiln]

I was under the impression that all travellers are meant to be unique variations of the Atlas' scan of its creator

[digital epoch]

What are the korvax anyways?

[digital epoch]

Well you can think it like there being infinite timelines and each of them having the copies of every iteration (by that I mean if a single timeline has Artemis every timeline has one now)

I know it's a little too confusing lol

[unborn bough]

A sentient, mechanical lifeform like the Autobots and the Decepticons.

Complete the scientist's side story, that will give you a deep insight on the Korvax.

[digital epoch]

Already done that

[unborn bough]

How we think, how we act, how we perceive things. What we breathe, what we eat, what we call our own, everything.

[unborn bough]

You did not read the lore while doing that, correct? Not even a bit.

[digital epoch]

Just that much that it wanted a child

Look it was before I actually paid attention to the lore lol-

[unborn bough]

And what did you do to the child? Did you leave it be after that echo was reconnected to the hive? Did you take care of the child?

[unborn bough]

I'm messing with you now 😝

[digital epoch]

Lol-

[uncut harness]

The travellers imo are the most interesting part of the lore, each iteration exists seperately to all other traveller iterations, and each iteration is unique. Artemis is truly dead, but travellers cannot die, which is the interesting part because there's no actual explanation as to what killed artemis and if they are really dead

[digital epoch]

Wasn't it stated that there are iteration of travellers in each reality (like if in a universe has a null all universes will have a null)

[uncut harness]

Each universe has one traveller, which is why we can't interact with apollo in the main storyline, but the atlas failing allows us to see traveller graves and the hologram travellers on the stations

As the atlas continues to fail, we will eventually be able to fully interact with other travellers

[digital epoch]

What about us meeting other travellers? (aka other players)

[heavy marlin]

Figments of your imagination. Glitches in the code. /shrug

[digital epoch]

Also, it could be just that it is an another universe's apollo and not our universe's

[uncut harness]

People always compare that to the rogue data entries, imo it's just a game feature and not to do with the lore

[uncut harness]

It's my understanding that there's one traveller per universe

[digital epoch]

Fair enough lol

[uncut harness]

It's been a while since I've done much lore stuff

Plus I'm not at home so I don't have my notes

[digital epoch]

Alright

Though the main reason I think it's wrong is because the game specifically states us as the last traveller

But how can there be a last traveller if their is infinite universe

[uncut harness]

Each universe is the same, but not at the same point

Time differs between the simulations

I presume we are the last traveller to be created

[digital epoch]

So we are the last traveller in our timeline

But if we are the last traveller in our timeline it would mean there was a first traveller in our timeline

[uncut harness]

Null is the first

Then there are an infinite number of travellers between us

[digital epoch]

How can there be infinite numbers of travellers if we are the last one though?

[uncut harness]

Infinite as hyperbole

Trillions and trillions between us

[safe kiln]

I believe that’s supposed to be the boundaries between the universes failing

[uncut harness]

The boundaries failing are the travellers that we see in stations as holograms

At the 10th minute we will be able to interact with those travellers

According to remembrance terminals

[rigid kelp]

I have a question
||Is void mother responsable for the dissonant worlds||?

[thorny rover]

Well, I would say mostly yes

Of course, the Sentinels had doubts ever since they existed as a proper form

But she had a contribution

[rigid kelp]

Cool

Imagine if one day the counter of how many minutes til the atlas shuts down drops to 15

[thorny rover]

That would send the community in a frenzy

[rigid kelp]

Real

[opal glen]

i did my first reset in my sentinal ship and now i gotta repair all that shit 😭

if only i woulda known

[solar cairn]

Awww I missed a cool convo

[solar cairn]

Theoretically, we are the last created traveller before the death of Atlas

That is about the only way for it to make sense in any context

[rigid kelp]

IT HAPPENED TO ME WHIT MY FULLY UPGRADED SENTINEL SHIP

I was like "fck this" and duped a lot of repair kits cuz i wasn't fixing all that

[solar cairn]

✨packaged technology✨ y'all. First lesson is always the roughest

Wait until you see your multitool and exosuit

[shut swan]

or juste have a crap ship designated for galaxy jumps with the bare minimum needed to fly

[analog breach]

After galaxy jump you probably have more than 1 ship at this point. So repair bare essentials and summon other ship. You can repair your main one later

[shut swan]

That still doesn't make sense given that each player is "the last". So my interpretation is that each iteration has only one traveler alive at a time, but not necessarily only one "ever". Like, a traveler can be born, and then die, and then a new traveler is born in that specific iteration of the universe

that way, each player is the last traveler of their own iteration of the universe, but not necessarily the last of the whole multiverse

[wraith grail]

helo

[sharp musk]

i dontb remember when it mentions it is a gravitino ball tho

[wraith grail]

yeah its a theory

[sharp musk]

Its head looks like one tho

[wraith grail]

yeah thats what i mean

its a gravitino ball with a robot suit

maybe

[sharp musk]

lmao

[wraith grail]

yknow when you pick up a gravitino ball on a world sentinels immediately come after you

and null was sent by the atls

so were sentinels

the game description tells us that removing a gravitino ball from its habitat causes a reality weakening

its kind of a far fetched theory but yes

[shut swan]

Technically every traveler was sent by the Atlas

Yet we don't have gravitino heads

[opaque fulcrum]

Does anyone know what Atlas says at each atlas station in the atlas path

[digital epoch]

What is the synthesis companion made out of?

[shut swan]

I think the translation is on screenshots on the wiki, on the "Atlas interface" page 🤔

[shut swan]

Metal

[digital epoch]

Other then that

[opaque fulcrum]

Thanks

[worn rain]

How come every traveller looks different?

[digital epoch]

Each traveller is a different iteration

[worn rain]

like, from another universe?

[shut swan]

Yeah, supposedly there's only one traveler at a time per universe, every other traveler, and even players that you see are from a different universe, and you're only seeing them because the universes are falling apart

[worn rain]

ok, but how does them being different iterations make them different form each other?

[solar cairn]

The problem with this is: How does a Traveller die? They keep coming back (new generations)

Think of you, yourself as the last. Since the main quest is meant to be played solo. Each player narratively is the last. Every traveller you see in the Anomaly isn't the last, to your perspective and the perspective of your game's main quest. You are the last

Also.. there is only 1 universe, just many simulations.

[uncut harness]

Every universe is the same, the only difference being the traveller that inhabits it and the time it is at

Its not supposed to be the same, but the Atlas eventually results in the same universe with the triad due to it failing

[solar cairn]

With each simulation, there is a traveller. When the simulation ends, the traveller ends.

Each simulation being ran, are at different stages and times. But they cannot time travel, as said by Telamon.

Travellers started crossing simulations, when the boundaries started to fall. But theoretically, they are still tied to their simulation.

[solar cairn]

I guess alternatively... Think of it as the frayed end of a natural fiber rope? Technically the end of the story, with many many individual "ends"

[shut swan]

The thing is, i don't think it's the same person lore-wise. Like, i get that from a gameplay point of view they couldn't just make every playthrough a permadeath one, but from a lore perpective every traveller only dies once. Artemis didn't just respawn, you had to go throu so much to get their soul back. Same with any traveler grave you see. They're dead, and so are you when you die. If you die, the iteration you were playing is just dead, they were not the last traveller. The one you play after that is simply the last traveler so far, who happens to have lived similar adventures, who stumbles on the grave of the traveller befor them before, and you take their loot. But you're a different iteration, the old one is just dead

[solar cairn]

I get that, but there has been incidences in derelict freighter logs, where the crew finds out one of them is a Traveller, and kills them repeatedly for resources, as they always come back

Also, each traveller you see in game, shouldn't exist according to Telamon. The white aura around them, is a "white hole" a kind of time paradox. Telamon is suspicious of it, as "something" is trying to influence your world

[shut swan]

You could say our characters are special because they're "anomalies" and not regular travelers, so they respawn, but in any case it's not a general thing, main story characters or other travelers you see don't seem to have that, Artemis is dead, travellers on space stations/graves are dead, -Null- went through so much things to become immortal, which wouldn't make sense if they can't die...

Not all travelers seem to have a respawn ability

that's just for the players

[solar cairn]

The travellers in the space stations, shouldn't exist

[shut swan]

I always considered that they're pretty much ghosts of the ones we see on the graves, so yeah, they shouldn't exist, because they're dead

[solar cairn]

Null also says it's bad to forget your friends (he never reset his simulation, effectively causing immortality)
Artemis died unnaturally as an option of the player. And Apollo and you tried to meet up (also an option) and says that you two are standing on the exact same spot, using the same deep space telecommunications tower

[shut swan]

like, a few of them even talk about how they died lol

[solar cairn]

Oh, yeah. What I'm saying came straight from the boundary failure logs.

I'll see if I can pull a datamined dialogue for you to read about it

It's not my personal interpretation

[shut swan]

Don't need to datamine, the dialogue is available on the wiki (i put it there myself from the files), i'm not arguing that they shouldn't exist, it's just that we don't agree ont the interpretation of why they shouldn't exist

also you can read them in game now anyway with the collected knowledge tab

[solar cairn]

These aren't stored in the collected knowledge tab

https://www.nomansskyresources.com/story-and-lore?pgid=lae9l2ys-621bb001-0f31-4b56-a7ab-b85aba01aaca

[solar cairn]

This is what I was referring to. These aren't saved

There isn't an interpretation

They should not exist. Time travel is impossible

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[icy citrus]

Lol

[solar cairn]

Yep :/

Thanks

[icy citrus]

yeet

Thank you

[strange mountain]

i wanted to earn the $2000 😦

[solar cairn]

More like they earn $2000, by parting it from you

[shut swan]

My interpretation of this is that Telamon was wrong, they were saying this according to what they thought was possible at the time, when the multiverse was just beginning to crumble and they weren't aware of it yet, but obviously that turned out to be false because we see other travellers all the time now that boundaries are collapsing

[solar cairn]

Although, this is also the first time I've seen the game talk about universes. Neat.

[solar cairn]

Yeah, the simulations can be asynchronous, that is what gives it the perception of "time travel" however, what those things in the space stations do is not that. They are in your world but claim to come from the future or past. That is impossible

If it was true, then Atlas can change its purpose. As stated

Their simulations ended. They should be gone. (It can also tie into the world of glass)

At least, that is my suspicion

[shut swan]

I'm not saying every traveller we meet are dead ones from our universe, some explicitly say they're from other worlds. I'm just saying not all travellers can respawn, that when they die a new one take their place in their specific iteration of the universe, and our player character is just the last one in that universe

[solar cairn]

What starts that?

How does it happen?

[shut swan]

also i just checked they're totally saved in the knowledge tab (can't post screenshots though)

[solar cairn]

Because we can die many times, and carry the same knowledge

What is the catalyst that makes them forget everything?

[shut swan]

i guess it just starts at the creation of that universe ?

[solar cairn]

Then, how can it happen in the same instance of the universe?

What is the cycle?

[shut swan]

I don't see what's the issue 🤔 Atlas creates a new universe in the multiverse, creates a traveller with wiped memories in it. They die, so they create a new one, they die, they create a new one etc...

it just cycles like that in every universe

and the Player is the last one in each

[solar cairn]

But, you can die in game. Come back, but your knowledge isn't wiped

The knowledge of the dead travellers still recognize you. Their memory of death isn't wiped

[shut swan]

That's what i was saying earlier, who's telling you that you are the same character as the one that died previously, and not just another traveller who lived the same things in a different iteration ?

for all we know every iteration could just be a permadeath, we just get our things back for gameplay reason but that's it

lore-wise, the character we played before is just dead

(that's my interpretation)

[solar cairn]

If that's the case, Why don't we recognize each other

Why didn't we recognize Null.

Or Apollo

Or Artemis

[shut swan]

Because the iteration you're currently playing didn't meet them yet at that point 🤔

[solar cairn]

Why is it that the Other iteration (NPC in the Anomaly) remembers us across simulation resets

[solar cairn]

If we are the same iteration as those who have died, what caused the change since it's in the same simulation?

That's what I'm trying to get at.

We already agree, new simulation, new traveller. This is about those graves we see. Are they our iterations? Or separate?

[shut swan]

Have you seen H2G2 ? There's a point where the planet is destroyed, then they make another one, an exact copy in every aspect, and every living being on it is recreated and they live the exact same life as their dead counterpart in fast forward. Technically they're a different person, but they don't even realize it. I think it's the same with the Anomaly NPCs, after a reset at the end of the game you can even tell Nada and Polo, and they say they simply don't want to know about it because they already made peace with this kind of existential-crisis-inducing-f*ckery

[solar cairn]

Also, as I said. The derelict freighter log. This doesn't happen, the Traveller in the log kept coming back to life. In the same instance.

[solar cairn]

Right, but every other iteration in there does remember you. Just not Polo and Nada. They are not travellers

[shut swan]

that's the only occurence of that happening, a freighter log. For all we know it could be an anomaly and not a regular traveler 🤷

[solar cairn]

We are anomalies.

None of the travellers should exist, the first Traveller escaped the world of glass

[shut swan]

Doesn't really matter, the universe was reset, every one of them was recreated and lived the same life, so yeah, they know you (or they think they do, but they're not really the same person)

[solar cairn]

Too coincidental

It's near impossible to live the exact same way, with the exact same events

In fact, it's straight impossible

[shut swan]

the Guys on the space anomaly are travelers though, not anomalies 🤔

[solar cairn]

Traveller and Anomaly are the same thing

Nada and Polo are not travellers.

Only travellers can remember across simulation resets

[shut swan]

it is if you make it so, which the atlas can, because it is all a simulation. It's the same as in the boundary faillure when Telamon says the universes are all repeating the same pattern of the exact same Three races becoming the masters in every universe. This should not happen, yet the atlas is making it happen

[shut swan]

Anomalies are the last travelers (players), it's a sub category of travellers

[solar cairn]

Atlas isn't really "making" anything happen. It's just a simulation creator. It ran out of data storage, and repeats

[solar cairn]

They do the same thing we do. They are the same

[shut swan]

Yet at the end of the game, after the reset, Nada and polo do remember you, so what you're saying doesn't work here

[solar cairn]

We die, we come back. Same as the derelict log

[solar cairn]

They do not

In fact, they avoid the topic entirely

Polo openly says "there are some things they do not want to know"

[shut swan]

What ? they completely talk to you like they know you, they only avoid the topic when you try to say you reset the simulation, and they wouldn't avoid the topic in the first place if they weren't aware of what it means

[solar cairn]

They don't. They greet you like you're new

A new Welcome

[shut swan]

like, why would Polo say that if they didn't know what you were talking about

[solar cairn]

But when you try to tell them, you already knew them, they shut you down

They are friendly to all travellers, because that's the only being that can enter the Anomaly. They know what you are, not who you are

[shut swan]

Still, the fact that they say they don't "WANT" to know means they are at least aware of the resets, and what it implies, that they're not actually the person they thing they are, and were just born a minute ago with memories of the new universe that was just created 🤔

[solar cairn]

That is still impossible.

[shut swan]

And it also doesn't change that The atlas is just repeating universes where the exact same things happen, so the "coincidental" part doesn't work

[solar cairn]

It does. As I said, it ran out of data, and now data is being corrupted.

[shut swan]

the same exact three races evolving in the exact same way in every universe is way, way more coincidental than one person living the same thing, and yet it is happening

[solar cairn]

Keep in mind, before the events of The players, it ran simulations perfectly until it started to get destroyed.

[solar cairn]

They aren't all exact copies. The same races sure, but each world will be different from the last simulation.

It's why you can't find the exact same planet in galaxy 13 as you do in galaxy 1

[shut swan]

like, the infinite improbability of evolutionc races, cultures, civilizations evolving in the exact same way ower an infinite number of realities is insanely higher than a handful of character

[shut swan]

The boundary failures logs prove that it all started to crumble before players happened

[solar cairn]

Yes

And before they started to crumble, there used to be millions of different races.

This pattern happened to the death of Atlas. When it panicked

Before the panic, it was fine

[shut swan]

Still, every player can find the same planet in galaxy 1, despite all being in different iterations

Infinite realities doesn't mean every reality is unique, you can have an infinity of realities that all hav an infinite sub-realities of the exact same thing happening in the exact same galaxy

[solar cairn]

Yes, because game wise. You are the last. In terms of the main quest.

[solar cairn]

They were unique. Before. The job of Atlas was to simulate scenarios with perfect accuracy, it wouldnt make sense if it just repeated the same thing over unless something seriously wrong happened, which is what we see. The death of Atlas

Before that. The Creator of the Atlas used it to predict outcomes perfectly

[shut swan]

Yes, and again, from the boundary failures, you see that things weren't repeated before, but the repetition happened way before the players came in

[shut swan]

That's where we disagree ultimately, To me it doesn't make sense that every player is the last, because that means the Quest contradicts the lore. How can the guys i meet at the anomaly be the last just like I am ? The multiverse scenario makes it make sense, because we are all the last one in our specific iteration of the universe, where we all live the same things. And every time we die, we play a new character that simply lived the same life in a different but, extremely similar universe, since everything is being repeated anyway

[solar cairn]

Also, with this. We follow the simulation of Atlas' death, all the way to 16, presented with the choice to reset the simulation. Atlas is still trying to find what happens after 16, so it needs to be reset to find it's answers in hubris really. "All it craves is a user, an input" we aren't at the death of Atlas for real. But it keeps simulating its death over and over. Trying to find answers when it can't. Like a Divide by 0 error.

[solar cairn]

Did they? Because what if the Traveller's existence was the beginning of the end. Like I said with Atlas' panic being the start of it's Death. The Player wasn't there yet, but travellers were. All those in the Anomaly.

[solar cairn]

The Anomaly itself is in a place Atlas cannot see it. It's a place in between simulations. That's how you can see other players. The simulations are asynchronous. Their timelines are not a perfect alignment. And with the boundaries failing, they can cross. Each Traveller you see isn't in it's simulation.

Your interpretation of the multiverse. Relies on the time being perfectly in sync, which just isn't true. Everything being born and lived the exact same life to a pattern. Just isn't true.

The simulations may end in the 3 races, but how that came to be are all different. Different outcomes showing the same conclusion: the Atlas cannot predict what happens after death.

[shut swan]

To me 16 minutes just mean's the Hardware of the Atlas is going to fail in 16 minutes, which could be hundreds or thousands or billions of years depending on the simulation you are in and how fast times goes there, which kinda means nothing for our characters who live inside

[solar cairn]

Yes, but the job of Atlas is supposed to know what goes after. It simulated 16 fast, while it's real time is unknown to us.

[shut swan]

-Null- is the first traveller, and it is mentionned that other races than the three existed, either in the boudary failures or the rememberance terminals

[solar cairn]

Yes. And there also was MANY MANY travellers between them and us

Null may have seen many races.

[shut swan]

I'm not saying that though, Like i'm trying to say, both patterns exist, multiple simulations happening with different temporalities, at the same time as linear temporalities between some sub-sets of the simulation. That's the thing with infinite possibilities : everything is happening

There are multiple Null, multiple Artemis, Multiple Nada and Polo, and at the same time you have resets withing specific simulations that reset these specific iterations, or deaths of travelers that trigger a new one coming in these specific timelines

[solar cairn]

And with this. Time needs to be synchronous. Which it isn't. Things in NMS don't necessarily happen "at the same time"

[shut swan]

infinite realities, multiverses, timelines, both linear and non-linear interacting with each other

[solar cairn]

This is impossible. There are only 1 traveller per simulation. Regardless of where that traveller is in relation to it's simulation.

It's why Artemis is dead, regardless of your choice. Their simulation ended

[shut swan]

This is only impossible because you postulate that there is only one per simulation, which is your interpretation lol

Each Artemis is dead in their simulation, yes

[solar cairn]

Yeah, because I'm going with evidence in game.

[shut swan]

Doesn't mean there aren't multiple

And like i said, in game evidence shows that there are multiple Artemis right ? You met one, I met one, and they aren't the same ones, yet here we are

[solar cairn]

Because, again. If there are multiple per simulation, why are there unique travellers if they all lived the same life

[solar cairn]

In my game, there is only one. Regardless of whichever traveller I meet

[shut swan]

Yes, in YOUR game, YOUR iteration of the multiverse, which is in parallel to MY iteration of the multiverse, which both coexist and can touch if we play in multiplayer

[solar cairn]

This is just using the Anomaly.

What dialogue in your world reads of multiple Null, multiple Apollo? If there were. Why couldn't we visit Apollo

[solar cairn]

The quest was never made with multiplayer in mind.

Isn't that evident?

[shut swan]

Multiple universes happening in your game, and multiple universe happening in my game, they are not synchronous within each or our games, yet the same things happen in both our multiverses

I don't see how you don't see why it makes sense lol

[solar cairn]

That is still using multiplayer as evidence, which isn't really valid. Since things break horribly if the main quest was played in multiplayer

[shut swan]

Why isn't it valid when multiplayer is literally explained in the lore as the universe merging ? If multiplayer as a gameplay element is part of the lore we have to take it into account

[solar cairn]

Because, according to the lore. we are all the same

There is not a unique traveller. Even players

[shut swan]

We are copies of the same person, that's not the same thing

[solar cairn]

Not what I meant. In lore, each player is the exact same. Thats how we see the exact same simulation

We are all the last, because each player is not unique

In lore. You playing, is me playing.

Our time is not the same, but we are. That's how we play together. Two instances of the same thing

Nothing changes when we play alone, nothing changes when we play together

[shut swan]

And that's your interpretation. My interpretation is that your game is one subset of universes (aka one sub-multiverse) where you are the last. In your sub-multiverse, you have an infinity of universes where there is One Artemis, One Null etc... and they're in their own universe that is asynchronous to yours and you're doing your thing in your multiverse.

[solar cairn]

Which doesn't have evidence that I've seen

[shut swan]

In perallel, I have my own sub-multiverse in my game

[shut swan]

Multiplayer as a lore element is the evidence lol

[solar cairn]

As I refer to the derelict freighter log again.

Which you dismissed as a "exception"?

They keep coming back after death, each and every time.

[shut swan]

Yes, because that's one instance of a traveler other than the player "coming back", which is literally the definition of an exception x)

[solar cairn]

But doesn't make sense if everything has happened. In your interpretation

If it is an exception here, why?

[shut swan]

if there is only one instance of a thing happening VS all the other doing another thing, it's an exception. Why does it happen ? I don't know 🤷 Doesn't make it not an exception

[solar cairn]

Because we do the same thing.

If there are other travellers, are they in their own multiverse? Why is it limited to only the player?

They died, they came back.
Like we die, we come back. They didn't get the new universe. They went back to the same crew, that killed them. Over and over

Does each Null have their own many travellers that see it? Infinite?

Or each Artemis?

[shut swan]

Yes, I believe they are in their own sub-multiverse. Mind you, the idea of a "sub-multiverse" is just to separate the events happening in each of our personal copies of the game as IRL players, in-lore, it is all one big multiverse, where all the sub-multiverses connect through multiplayer. A sub multiverse is just the universes that your specific character happens to see

[shut swan]

yep

[shut swan]

and yep

in my interpretation, each Artemis sees one of us, each Null sees one of us

as well as many other travellers probably, but the events of the quest happen with the character we play

[solar cairn]

So, only we are the catalyst for events?

[shut swan]

Yeah, as the "Last traveller" of our own game

the "Anomaly"

[solar cairn]

What if that anomaly dies? Does Null relive their life entirely just for the Player?

To your interpretation, the universe gets restarted with the Anomaly's death. So, that Null would have ended no?

[shut swan]

No, they continue whatever they were doing in their own timeline where the traveller we played at that time died, and we don't know what happens in that timeline. In another timeline, another traveller that we are playing now is meeting a different null, living the same things that we lived up to the point where the previous character we played died, and they stumble on their grave. We collect their loot and try to not die the same way

[solar cairn]

You said yourself, in lore. There was already a repeating pattern before the player

[shut swan]

It's like how the Zelda timeline has a split where the hero died, we don't know what happens in the timeline where we died but it's probably f*cked (or not, because honestly our character can't really change anything in the end)

[solar cairn]

If I look at this in a computational sense. This takes up WAY too much resources to compute each instance of individuality, with each possibility

[solar cairn]

I fail to see how that applies here

We do know what happens without the player. It's history in game.

No matter what our choice, Atlas dies

[shut swan]

Lol, what are you talking about ressources now 😂 It's a sci-fi game with a magic futuristic computer that simulate universes, you can't apply current common sense to whatever "resources" it has lmao

[solar cairn]

And uses lots of physical computer analogies. A deleted world, corrupt data. Even the most random machines all have a pattern.

[shut swan]

yeah, but what if they said a timeline exists there but never made any game in that timeline ? it's the same thing with the timeline where our character dies. It exists, we just don't know what happens in it

[solar cairn]

Computers are not random.

[solar cairn]

We do know. Because it's repeated.

Regardless of our presence

Pattern in time happened way before the player.

[shut swan]

Dude don't tell me about computer analogies, I work in IT IRL, analogies to real world computers doesn't make it not sci-fi, we can't create anything that the Atlas is doing with our current ressources, and we don't even know how powerful que Atlas is by the game-universe standards, so we can't make assumptions on what it can and can't do with those resources lol

[solar cairn]

We can.

[shut swan]

Oh can we now ? 😂

[solar cairn]

We know what it is capable of. Prediction 100% accuracy.

[shut swan]

please tell me where i can go to see those infinite universe simulations with billions of living AI and worlds then lol

[solar cairn]

If we know it has data error, then it needs memory for the data. Just like irl.

[solar cairn]

Well, hate to break it to you. Nothing in NMS is infinite

Only appears so, because the number is so large

[shut swan]

right right, Zillions of quintilions of universes and planets... Still, there's no such thing as the Atlas IRL currently

[solar cairn]

Also, Machine learning, depending on the program can run many predictions. But not optimized, slows it down. Like chess ai

[solar cairn]

No, but computers exist. And they share lots of similarities

Or is this just another "exception" of yours because it doesn't fit your interpretation

[shut swan]

You are taking a game, a Sci-fi game with a Sci-fi computer, and assuming out of nowhere that it can't do this or that, even though we have no idea of what the Atlas is or is not capable of doing (which in any case is way more than watever real life computer can do right now). And even then, my theory doesn't mean theres an infinite number of simulations. Assuming there is a finite number of players, with a finite number of universes in their sub-multiverse, and a finite number of times you died and created a new timeline... That's still a finite number of universes, so on what ground are you saying the atlas can't do it ?

[solar cairn]

But each Null has their own universe, even when a new player new Null, new set. New calculations.

Repeated over and over to stretch into infinity

[shut swan]

Even if there are similarities (which is normal, it's Sci-Fi, not fantasy), it doesn't mean you can assume what it can do according to current science

[shut swan]

That doesn't make it infinite as long as the number of players if finite, which it always is

[solar cairn]

If it has corrupted data, and an entire deleted data overflowing into it's simulation. It's like getting MissingNo. In pokemon

That is real, it has happened in real life. The same is happening to Atlas.

[shut swan]

Wait wait, what are you comparing the MissingNo to here ?

[solar cairn]

I also am not tying each simulation/universe to just the player. You applied that to EVERY traveller in game .

[solar cairn]

Data overflow...

That is how missing no works

[solar cairn]

Multiverse theory works on the principle of infinite universes. Not a finite one

Even adding sub-universe? To it.

It doesn't happen.

[shut swan]

Which still doesn't make it infinite. You are assuming that the Atlas can't do that, even though it's a fictional computer and you don't know what resources it has or what it can actually do 🤔

[shut swan]

In Physics, not software

[solar cairn]

We know what it does. What it can do

[solar cairn]

Bs. Explain multiverse theory in software then, not using NMS

[shut swan]

Yeah, and In NMS ? what does that relate to ? Null ? The travelers ? the universes ? You are still assuming that the universes are overflowing because the Atlas ran out of memory, which is something we don't know, we don't know what actually causes the bugs

[solar cairn]

We do. In fact, the pattern of time says it ran out of things. Of events. That's why the pattern is happening

It straight up is out of data.

[shut swan]

There is no Multiverse theory in software. In Physics, it is assumed there is an infinite number of universe, BUT if you wanted to simulate that with a computer you would still be limited by the Hardware. Which means that even if in theory there is an infinite amount of universe, the simulation can't have that. Still, this has nothing to do with my lore theories, because even though i may have thrown the word "infinite" around without care, i don't actually believe the atlas is actually simulationg an infinite number. It is Finite, just a very high number

[solar cairn]

Then why apply it to NMS

[shut swan]

What are the specs then ? that's the processor ? thememory space ? i'd like tobuy one on amazon lol

[solar cairn]

We don't know the hardware, we know what it is capable of. Your jest doesn't work.

[shut swan]

YOU are the onewho brought up multiverse theory lol

[glass flare]

My theory for the in-game data corruption is still that the intense radiation from the black hole where the Atlas server is located is causing increasing data corruption (bits flipped in memory etc)

[solar cairn]

I'm not, you mentioned many times about a Multiverse

Multiverse implies infinite universe

Your interpretation, not mine

Glad you can see how it's flawed now

[solar cairn]

I could see this.
Personally, I'm not sold on the whole black hole thing. I still think the creator lied to Atlas.

[shut swan]

The atlas Does generate multiverses, as in, multiple universes. Doesn't mean Infinite. It is part of the lore. Multiverse "theory", and the fact that it implies infinite worlds is something YOU brought up, it applies only in physics, and even if some scientists Today wanted to simulate that, they would still be limited to a finite number due to how computers work, which would still count as a multiverse (because again, multiple universes, "more than one") and it still doesn't say how many the Atlas can or can't simulate, because it is a fictional computer and we don't know how powerful it is or isn't

[solar cairn]

Where does it say Multiverse even once

Multiple universes. Are just that. Universes. Aka Simulations

1 system. Many simulations

[quasi acorn]

yes

[shut swan]

You said the other travellers we meet are from other universes, right ? so there is more than one, right ? so it is a multi.... multi-what ?

[quasi acorn]

i don't know if this is correct or not

[quasi acorn]

thats because the atlas is failing

[solar cairn]

Multiple universes.

[quasi acorn]

its dieing

[solar cairn]

Yes, that's correct

[quasi acorn]

16 minutes until it go kaput

[shut swan]

🤦‍♂️ By "universes", i mean "simulations", because each simulation is simulating one "universe"

[quasi acorn]

yes

[solar cairn]

Then stick to the same language

[quasi acorn]

i believe that the atlas was created by..something

us? some other race? i don't know

[solar cairn]

Next, you're gonna tell me there IS a difference between Anomaly and Traveller

[shut swan]

Ok, now make the two words kiss, cut them a little, and you get the word... Multi... Verse !

[solar cairn]

No.

[quasi acorn]

the "verses" aren't connected though

i don't think

i mean

not intentionally

at least

[solar cairn]

Because Many simulations, are not universes. Universe implies a containment of many galaxies.

[quasi acorn]

yes

[shut swan]

Not intentionally yeah, i never said that, but they are connected, that's the whole point of the plot

[solar cairn]

One simulation, one galaxy

[quasi acorn]

but we can travel to multiple of galaxies

[shut swan]

Dude, "Multiverse" is litterally the merging of those two words 😂

[quasi acorn]

ingame

but we remain in the same simulation

[solar cairn]

One universe, many galaxies
Atlas is The Universe. The simulation is the galaxies

[solar cairn]

And a universe contains what

[quasi acorn]

the atlas is a computer program, maybe a computer in whatever world that created it

it CREATES simulations, simulations with universes

[shut swan]

That's not what universe means. For all we know there could be universes out there with just one planet

[quasi acorn]

i mean

maybe

hmm

[shut swan]

in the context of multiverses i mean

[solar cairn]

Oh, but in real life. There is only one universe

[quasi acorn]

yes

i mean

think about it

tecnehcially

there is NO universe in the simulation

[solar cairn]

We don't even know the existence of other universes.

[quasi acorn]

its just a simulation

[shut swan]

Well, that's where the physics theory comes in, we don't know if there's only one lol

(IRL i mean)

[solar cairn]

Theory isn't fact

[quasi acorn]

the real universe is the same one that hosts the palent that the atlas is on

the race that created it

us?

i dunno

maybe

many simulations, same universe

multiple hardrives, on one desk

[solar cairn]

If you use the same terminology as the physics theory. Why are you so shocked that we misunderstand each other?

In irl, our universe contains many galaxies.

Why is it different for NMS?

Or are you just gonna write it off as Sci Fi and keep it moving?

[quasi acorn]

yes

one universe, many galaxies, many stars, many systems, many planets

[shut swan]

I didn't chose how they called the multiverse theory in physics lol. "Multiverse" just means "multiple universes". It doesn't mean "infinite universes". Sure, that's what they think in physics, but if I want to make a computer simulation i don't HAVE to make it create infinite universes, because that's impossible anyway

[quasi acorn]

well, exactly 255 galaxies BUT

[shut swan]

You came up saying "that's too much for the atlas computer to handle" not me. The Atlas is a fictional computer, you don't know how much it can handle