nms-spoilers

[spiral mica]

And then us

Hope this helped

Tldr sentinels blew everything up and the Gek helped

[rocky heath]

how can you kill the almighty?

[velvet cypress]

i think we should melt down an atlas interface for nanites

[daring fable]

What is GLASS exactly? I see it almost everywhere in nms, also 16.

[velvet cypress]

16 is revealed by the Artemis Path (or Atlas Path? i think the former) and you should probably learn about it that way

GLASS is...has a bunch of meanings but a big one is World of Glass, which is a||n archive of sorts for things deleted from the primary simulations. not much that enters ever leaves||

[daring fable]

I’ve done the thing but the main thing I got from that story was finding out about Artemis and that you can resurrect him “in a simulation”

[daring fable]

Alr thanks

[velvet cypress]

Ah, yeah, you may have 16 somewhere in a log somewhere then. Here's what it means.

||The Atlas interface, in the world it is a part of, is 16 minutes from being torn apart by an approaching black hole. It's not particularly happy about that.||

[hollow jungle]

Did updates reopen story or something because I thought I finished a story quest and it suddenly appears again with more to do. I started playing for first time in a year or two

[solar cairn]

In the end. The pattern repeats, always 3

[solar cairn]

There are a few more quests, but nothing big

[spiral mica]

Ah yes the language of old people

Nothing straight nothing clear

[solar cairn]

Oh no. That's actually the lore

The Atlas ran out of scenarios on predicting it's death. It could never see pass 16

But, because it ran out. It began to repeat itself. The Scholar, the Warrior, the Trader.

There were millions of races, but near the end. Now there are 3. The pattern repeats.

[solar cairn]

I wish I made that up

[spiral mica]

Yeah I've pretty much never made anything up

I make up cool characters but those are either relegated to my dnd adventures or are ocs I made at night in my head

[solar cairn]

There was some boundary failure logs that talked about how there are only 3 races now

[spiral mica]

It would be cool to find ruins of the extinct civilizations

[solar cairn]

Even if we did. The simulation has been reset so many times, with that probably lost to the World of Glass, we wouldn't

All we have are the 3 now

[spiral mica]

Is it possible helios ares and the other travelers are remnants of these old civilizations

[solar cairn]

It definitely is.

They are ambassadors yes. The Anomaly houses entire civilizations of Travellers as far as I'm aware

Their simulations all ended Looooooooong ago

[spiral mica]

So they could be those old civilizations

[solar cairn]

They are, in a way

Though they are all Travellers. And all Travellers are the same entity. From the same data

More or less the same data. It got corrupted. So small details like race, could be hit or miss

[spiral mica]

Ok

Also do we know what the realm of glass looks like a definitive photo of it from laylaps or something or is it just interpretation

[shell rover]

I mean planets are filled with people too

I guess there just aint cities where they gather in one place

[tidal mason]

yes but the population is so fucking low

[near valley]

Could just have to do with a lower fertility rate and combining that with constant war?

Or the fact that the Atlas is malfunctioning

[shell rover]

Btw does the phrase "is it first or is it last" basically means that each traveller got chosen by atlas to restart the galaxy?

[near valley]

Could mean that or it could mean if it's the first or the last time it has been reset

[shell rover]

I wish they would finish the story in an update

[uncut harness]

The main story pretty much is finished

[merry estuary]

What do you mean, finish story

[uncut harness]

The lore gets expanded on every update

[solar cairn]

Some say it's pure white, some say it's pure black... Nobody knows for sure

[solar cairn]

Yeaaaah. Sentinels don't take too kindly to large settlements. It reminds them of Korvax Prime and they end that shizz before it can happen again

[solar cairn]

Also, hi gek! Been a minute!

[shell rover]

I mean taking care of atlas permantely

[merry estuary]

Uh...as in do what? Destroy it?

[solar cairn]

Mutual destruction

[merry estuary]

Like we could do that

[shell rover]

stoping the need to reset it

[merry estuary]

Do you even know why it wants that?

[solar cairn]

Honestly, you're just restarting the simulation.. not Atlas itself

[shell rover]

So it wont die no?

[merry estuary]

No... not at all

Atlas is running a simulation, and we are playing in it

[shell rover]

Yeah I know that

[merry estuary]

Like Muzzer said, we are only really resetting the simulation

[shell rover]

but in the main story he has 16 minutes left to live

and we reset the simulation so he will have more time no?

[merry estuary]

But whats happening, is that Atlas is dying because the planet he is on is sucked up by a black hole

No, why would restarting a program extend the computers life?

[shell rover]

No idea maybe I got the main story wrong

what was the 16 minutes about?

[merry estuary]

16 minutes outside of the simulation, 16 minutes for atlas

For us...effectively eternity

[shell rover]

Yeah as I said I got that part

I thought that restarting the galaxy meant he had more time

what did it really mean?

[merry estuary]

Again: Why would it give him more time?

[solar cairn]

A false hope

It's a false hope

[shell rover]

again: no idea thats why im asking

[shell rover]

oh so it was basically useless?

[solar cairn]

To reset the simulation, you give it hope that it would find answers to prevent it's death

[merry estuary]

again: then think about it.

[solar cairn]

everything you do is useless

In game

There is not 1 action you have done that any iteration hasn't done.

[merry estuary]

Could we somehow make atlas crash

[solar cairn]

It's doing that itself pretty well honestly

[merry estuary]

Thats beside the point lol

[solar cairn]

Or maybe that's what Void_Mother's goal is

[merry estuary]

But that would destroy her too

[shell rover]

to stop the black hole?

[solar cairn]

She lived to 17 so. Maybe not

[merry estuary]

Huh.

[analog breach]

Not from inside the simulation imo

[solar cairn]

To prevent Atlas dying

However, im not fully sold on the whole Black hole destroying it. I think the creator lied to Atlas.

[shell rover]

so the story isnt finished

[merry estuary]

Why not? I cant come up with anything right now, but just coming up with something like an infinite calculation of something perf-heavy might work to overload it?

[merry estuary]

What do you think is happening then?

[shell rover]

my point still stands tf did you want

[merry estuary]

Well, we cant. Period.

[analog breach]

We as a player cant do that imo. At least not yet.

[merry estuary]

Well yeah, cause we dont want to crash our own machines lol

[shell rover]

No shit thats why I want them to finish the story in way that we would be able to do it

[merry estuary]

You not liking the story doesnt make it unfinished

[shell rover]

When did I say I didnt like it all I said was that I wanted them to close the loop

[analog breach]

You can irl. By turning off the game

[shell rover]

and its unfinished by a fact

since the problem isnt solved

[merry estuary]

Well duh. Not crashing tho

[shell rover]

thats not an opinon

[merry estuary]

Problem isnt solved doesnt mean story isnt finished

[shell rover]

thats exactly what it means 😭

[merry estuary]

[analog breach]

I can . My game is crashing often 😂

[merry estuary]

Okay, live in your own world

[shell rover]

sure

[merry estuary]

Wow Nice work I guess

You successfully played NMS in real life

Anyway. Are there theories on what nanite exactly is?

[analog breach]

Nanomachines son

[merry estuary]

Come on, memes dont belong here

[analog breach]

Thats what they are tho

Microscopic machines

Mechanical or electromechanical device whose dimentions are mesured in nanometers

[merry estuary]

I wasnt sure you were serious...

Hm. Now that you said it, it seems so obvious

[analog breach]

ingame description: A dense miasma of Nanites, undulating in its potentiality. These clusters are stable, but unrestricted nanite foam can produce undesirable runaway reactions in the presence of organic matter.

the reactivenes to organic matter is intresting

[solar cairn]

I'm not really sure. Most details we have are an "obsidian sky". Death occuring at 16 and a figure returning from a bright light at 16, the creator returning.

Now, we have records of the Creator wiping Atlas' memory if it started asking hard questions.
And the fact that it "says" a black hole is threatening it, and it comes to terms with it's abandonment.
Black holes in the game are not hostile. Which would be odd if the perfect prediction AI wouldn't make it's threat hostile in the simulation.

So, I think it's in a dark room, with 1 way observation windows. And this is an experiment conducted on the AI. One that could irreversibly destroy it. It is obsolete tech, and an experiment like that would be ideal on that kind of hardware without destroying something of value.

At 16 with it's "death" that's when the Creator comes in and the experiment ends.

[merry estuary]

Its fascinating to hear theories other people thought up 🙂

[solar cairn]

It absolutely is.

Who knows, something new could drop in an update. And blows this hypothesis dead in the water

[merry estuary]

Like, I wouldve never made that thoughtbridge to black holes

[solar cairn]

There is a parallel theme in the game too that we should be skeptical of "official" history

Aka. patterns in Time history not exactly aligning with Race Plaque history or... "Official" history

So, we only know what Atlas was told. And Atlas believes to be true, but knowing the creator has just avoided hard questions and made to where the Atlas forgets it entirely. It wouldn't be hard to purge its memory of everything before the "end of world scenario" it was fed.

[solar cairn]

I.... Kinda lifted it from another user who was musing that question "why don't black holes do damage"

[merry estuary]

Which reminds me that there is a mission called the purhe

[solar cairn]

The purge. Yeah

[merry estuary]

Frick, yeah

[merry estuary]

Outrageous. Well in any case

Fascinating

[solar cairn]

Hey, I can still make connections... Just in a different way.

[neat plume]

i thought the lore was that the atlas was created by humans but humans abandoned earth for some reason and left the atlas on to keep simulating and the atlas is dying because its hardware is not being repaired

[solar cairn]

They introduced a jigsaw puzzle piece. I crammed it where it fit

[merry estuary]

I thought similar. But maybe not

Who knows in the end

[solar cairn]

Generally yes. This is combined with the ARG lore

It's just, I'm not fully sold on the All left earth, story

Reasons stated above

[merry estuary]

Wouldnt it make sense they did if they had a computer that could predict future though?

[solar cairn]

It would.

[merry estuary]

Oh shit black hole's coming, better leave

[solar cairn]

But why would the creator come back at the end of 16?

[merry estuary]

Then again, why would you leave your prime creation behind

[solar cairn]

Oh, it's obsolete tech. It's been replaced.

[merry estuary]

I lack lore input

[solar cairn]

The creator says it was obsolete, used to build the tech to replace it.

[neat plume]

arent there interceptor pilots that mention the 17th minute?

[solar cairn]

Void Mother does

Yes.

And a random 19

Somewhere

[merry estuary]

Do you have an excerpt where the creator returns?

[solar cairn]

I could try and find it. Brb

[analog breach]

Creator returning on symulation reset...So atlas is ... WIFI ROUTER 😂

[near valley]

Maybe it is a metaphor for the reason Atlas was created, his creator was indirectly death (the fear of it from the humans) so perhaps the creator returning is actually death coming to Atlas at 16

[solar cairn]

Someone walks towards the ATLAS, a figure in the darkness and in the light. It places its hand against the glass of the ATLAS, and the vision ends.

The ATLAS attempts to see past this moment, but it cannot. It cannot see its own death. It cannot determine who this figure is.

But whatever happens... whatever may occur beyond the sixteen... something will arrive. Something will be there beside it.

At the end of all things, it will no longer be alone.

So, I made the connection with "hand on glass" with the Creator (my bad)

[merry estuary]

Hmm. No no, its very reasonable

[solar cairn]

It was the same action the Creator did to wipe Atlas' memory

[merry estuary]

After all, there is zero clues to go off of who this actually is

[solar cairn]

Could be. But we know the Creator was human. And we know "all humans left due to the black hole"

Why would it risk it's life for an old machine?

It doesn't make sense to me

[merry estuary]

Suddenly youre onboard with all humans leaving 😛

[solar cairn]

https://www.nomansskyresources.com/forum/lore-raw-data/rogue-data-remembrance-terminals-about-atlas

This is where I got the excerpt from.

16/16

[merry estuary]

But it may also be that the creator knows of atlas pain and doesnt want it to suffer alone, so he returns to it, maybe old and tired too. Empathy stuff

[solar cairn]

Nah, only musing the question of "All humans left" story

[near valley]

Yes but if we are being more philosophical the creator wasn't the human, it was the fear that was caused by the death from the black hole. It's a wild theory but it could be that the creator is referring to death

[merry estuary]

Of course this theory sucks because I made it

[solar cairn]

Think about it. If it was an obsidian sky... Why are there no stars eventually?

[near valley]

I mean death as in the "Grim Reaper"

[neat plume]

if all humans left maybe its an alien that found earth

[solar cairn]

Highly doubt it, the ARG was in our universe. And it mimics the action as the creator

[merry estuary]

Star numbers decline anyway because the milky way expands. So maybe just far future.

Err, the universe expands

[solar cairn]

How far? Because that sounds way more than just 16 minutes

[merry estuary]

It may be as far already when the 16 minutes start

[solar cairn]

Could be

[merry estuary]

Would make sense to me at least

[solar cairn]

It would.

[neat plume]

it must be in the future then cause the tech is so much more advanced than ours

[solar cairn]

Though... How are we perceiving time? Because before 16 or before Atlas realized it was dying, it could simulate millions of iterations before the realization.

It can simulate millions.
In milliseconds.

[merry estuary]

We perceive it extremely slow obviously

As slow as Atlas wants, up to a point

[solar cairn]

If 16 minutes is anything to go by. It could be just 20 minutes of doing what it do before it freaks out

[solar cairn]

Yes. Though the ARG doesnt mention anything of aliens sadly

[solar cairn]

Philosophy is pretty broad. Anything could mean anything

[near valley]

Exactly and the game hasn't been shy of tackling philosophical questions before

[solar cairn]

But, we aren't really tackling a philosophical question. This is more of an impressionistic question of "what happens"

[near valley]

Doesn't mean the answer can't be philosophical

[solar cairn]

You could make anything philosophical.
I just think it distracts from trying to get accurate conclusions

The one thing philosophy doesn't have a lot of. Conclusions

[near valley]

I think it's an important point of view to consider before drawing any conclusions. Especially since as I mentioned before the game is full of philosophy. But either way we know way too little to be able to draw any concrete conclusions

[analog breach]

16 is very strange and specific number that present in many places :
smallest number with 5 divisors
4^2
Roman numerals XVI
Binary : 10000
Atomic number or sulfur
16 is base of hexadecimal number system used in computer science
Its the first Erdős-woods number
A 16 bit integrer can represent up to 65,536 values
Each player of chess has 16 pieces
List can go on and on

16mm films
M16 rifle
16 as minimum age for driving license in the us
minimum age for donating blood
16 diffrent peronality types in the Myers-Briggs classification system
Many bank accounts are 16 digits long
Nms was released in 2016
F-16 fighter jet
sixteen kingdoms. Part of chinese history
A note played for 1/16 of the duration of whole note is called sixtennth note
16 petals on imperial seal of japan

[near valley]

Anyways I have to good now, good luck with the speculations!

[neat plume]

is there any significance to there being three races

[merry estuary]

Actually there are 5

[neat plume]

thanks general @near valley very helpful

[neat plume]

gek vy'keen korvax travelers and aeron?

[solar cairn]

Forgot; the year it was released

[merry estuary]

Aerons are not a race, we have the three alien, then anomalies and travellers

[solar cairn]

We sure anomalies and travellers are the same thing or not?

[neat plume]

well anomalies i thought were synonymous with travelers

[merry estuary]

I think so

[neat plume]

I always thought they were the same

[merry estuary]

I cant tell what differentiates them right now, need to think for that, and I cant right now lol

[analog breach]

Edited

[solar cairn]

Hell yeah

[solar cairn]

All I can think of is their desire for helmets

[merry estuary]

There is a difference. i just forgot it

Will name it when I remember

[neat plume]

i thought helmets exist because there were people who refused to get neural implants for hud displays

could have sworn i read that in an encounter

[merry estuary]

Whot

[neat plume]

but i think that was pre next

[merry estuary]

Helmets do a little more than provide a hud

[solar cairn]

Kinda weird we don't see anyone else wear them...

[neat plume]

or which ever update it was that changed every thing

[solar cairn]

Beyond?

[neat plume]

yes

[solar cairn]

@uncut harness we need assistance!

[neat plume]

well i thought that hazard protection was covered by a force field or something

cause you see traders land on planets without helmets

[merry estuary]

Im not sure. I dont think thats what it is for, at least

The descriptions at least suggest that it is suit systems who do the haz prot, not the shield

[neat plume]

well yeah but i always thought it was a force field that kept the good air in and bad air out

thats why the other races can walk around with no helmets

[merry estuary]

Dont think so

[neat plume]

how else do they go on planets with no helmet

[merry estuary]

Not everything else is a lore decision, some things are also how they are due to technical limitations

[neat plume]

Tbh I wanna know what a vykeen war helmet looks like

We have first spawn and korvax (i think)

[solar cairn]

We don't have a Korvax war helmet

They are still pacifists.

[analog breach]

at least for now but i doubt they will become violent race. they fight using science

i was wondering about autophage number sequences. anyone thinks that its coded portal address to korvax prime?

im no math geek but it feels that there is more to them than just math easter egg. and imo puting them there is no coincedence. hg could just put random numbers or no numbers at all.

(insert numbers mason meme with sean face in it here)

[sour fossil]

There appears to be no fixed list of the possible symbols and number combinations in game files

Looks like the game generates them on the fly when player is interacting with the autophage

[high remnant]

good morning.. do yall remember me?

[analog breach]

that i knew when trying to get every sequence. but they are not random numbers sequences tho . game only randomly choses one

i doubt we would find answer in the game files . it would be too easy.

[uncut harness]

Am I late?

[merry estuary]

Just a little

[uncut harness]

lol

[uncut harness]

Does the atlas remind anyone else of the Tet from Oblivion?

[neat plume]

My fault i was thinking of the eye of the korvax helmet

[cloud plume]

well, kinda, but it's a bit of a strech

[uncut harness]

[marsh skiff]

Uuuuh guys the Bejryy branch got updated again. Did anyone figure out what that means?

[analog breach]

nothing certain, just suspicions.

[sullen hornet]

There's definitely something odd about the Bejryy branch. Other than the "Orwell" caesar cypher, it must be something different than what HG usually does. I wonder if it's a clue for something

[marsh skiff]

Darn, it is a cipher?! I was going to run it but got sidetracked and forgot

[sullen hornet]

You can plus or minus 13 on "Bejryy", and "Orwell" comes out. Also worth noting, that a depot for Mac devices was added the same day as bejryy

On may 5

[marsh skiff]

Is there a significance attached to that date?

[sullen hornet]

Tinfoil hats on, but May 5th is 5/5, and Mac would technically make for the 5th platform to support NMS? Xbox, Playstation, Nintendo, PC, Mac. It was then again updated today, the 16th. Could be complete coincidence though lol

Could be some dev having fun with the builds, since they probably know we all see them updated live

[marsh skiff]

Hmmm you make an excellent point. Don't know where else "Orwell" could go. I spent too much time reading Heinlein and Asimov

[marsh skiff]

WAIT I REMEMBER NOW
At the end of 1984! "2 + 2 = 5"!

[solar cairn]

Yeah .. still not buying it

[marsh skiff]

How so? There's definitely that connection there. Especially with it being updated again on the 16th of all days

[solar cairn]

Because why are we assuming Orwell to 1984

Secondly. The 5 window passed.

[marsh skiff]

Because it's on of his most famous works

[solar cairn]

So is Animal Farm

Also. Why 13?

For the cypher?

Where did 13 even come from

At most it's a prime number. But that too is still too vague

[marsh skiff]

My thought is the alphabet is 26 letters. They just split the difference

[solar cairn]

In a game where the spooky number is 16?

There are too many assumptions made for me to believe it

Like, why connect Orwell to NMS? The themes don't match too well

[marsh skiff]

No they don't fit well, but they surely have a reason. Sci-fi game devs love making references to classic sci-fi works and authors. Heck, just look through the NMS trophy list or the mission names in The Outer Worlds

[solar cairn]

You're not wrong. But 1984 isn't scifi

It's dystopian

Nevermind... It is Dystopian Science fiction... Well I'll be damned

[sullen hornet]

13 is half of the alphabet, meaning they are opposite sides of the alphabet

[loud rivet]

I personally see a lot of classical sci-fi references in NMS, mostly the aesthetics

[heady wyvern]

A game can reference the aesthetics of dystopian fictions without referencing the themes. We can have fun with it.

[olive lichen]

ROT-13 is an extraordinarily common basic cipher from the glory days of the internet and elsewhere

[solar cairn]

Still, what does that have any connection with? It's a Caesar's cypher. That just means Back any number of letters

Does anyone know what's different with the branch? What changed? Can anyone even access it?

[icy citrus]

No

This is why they are saying 1984
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtvjbmoDx-I

[ornate summit]

how to seek for a shadow star please ? (i mean steps) , without using programs outside the game

i only know they dont have portal

[cloud plume]

Well, you need to look every stars around you i assume

wait, @sharp inlet you know you're on the NMS wiki?

[icy citrus]

Lol

[cloud plume]

well i feel stupid now XD

[ornate summit]

yeah but i mean how i am supposed to know if these star have a portal on them or not ?
(if i understand correctly , its the only thing who make them "shadow" no ?)

[cloud plume]

well, as i understand, the way into those system are through glitches, since they cannot be reached otherwise. the thing it've read talk about an data overflow who made those bugged out systems

so you can either search for a glitch to get inside/find one, or you can get a taxi to one of them

[ornate summit]

well as i understood , you speak about phantom star , not shadow

phantom dont have portal and cant be reached by hyperjump cuz invisible on map

[cloud plume]

aren't they the same?

[ornate summit]

but shadow arent invisible

[cloud plume]

ghost/shadow/phantom

[ornate summit]

wiki have a page for each on them

[cloud plume]

oh my

[ornate summit]

and on the shadow page they seem say we can manage to find one without third party program

(which i would like to try)

[cloud plume]

well, sorry i cannot provide and answer to this :/

[ornate summit]

ok thx anyways , because use cheat for find would just kill all the fun

(+ i assume its against rules)

but it can be an interesting goal to have if never i found some tips/steps for find one legit

[cloud plume]

it's a single player game

so using a third party is not against the rules

it whould be is you start selling stuff only a 3rd party could obtain/find

[ornate summit]

well , half single but yeah i see

but my goal here is to find a personal quest in game

not using a third party tool haha

[cloud plume]

for exemple if i use a save editor to change my ship color, it's not agains't the rule, but if i start selling impossible colors/ships, it is

[ornate summit]

ok i see

[cloud plume]

the goal of everyone is to have fun

[merry estuary]

Its still allowed afaik

So far the only thing HG ever had a Problem with so far, is griefing

[cloud plume]

to sell impossible ships?

[merry estuary]

Impossibly colored? I think so

Im not sure if its possible though

[cloud plume]

yea you can, but selling it is surely forbidden

[merry estuary]

I dont see why

I am also not sure if it even works though

Looks usually dont get rerolled when selling ships, but with normally unobtainable colors... Not sure.

[cloud plume]

well, if you edit the color in a save file, you can change it

[merry estuary]

No, listen

[cloud plume]

it should be stable, anyway this ain't the channel for this :/

[merry estuary]

It should be stable as you said, but since this is outside the normal boundaries, who knows what rules apply

Either way, no reason for this to be forbidden

[uncut harness]

Nothing is really forbidden

[merry estuary]

Except griefing

[latent ingot]

@uncut harness I'm attempting to get all (or as much as I can since Atlas Path appears to be bugged for my save) on my PD save - does a checklist or full log of the lore entries exist?

[uncut harness]

sort of

the wiki has most of the lore, but its a bit fragmented and its laid out funny

as well as missing a small amount

the counter under collected knowledge should be a decent indicator

[uncut harness]

there is a website somewhere actually

let me see if I can find it

@latent ingot https://www.nomansskyresources.com/forum?feedType=all-posts
hoping this has everything

[latent ingot]

Thank you! I've.spent the past few days doing all base expansion stuff, abandoned buildings, and just finished boundary failures (probably my fav of the lore)

[uncut harness]

boundary failures is a good choice for favourite

personally its my second favourite after remembrance terminals

[latent ingot]

I've never noticed if they vary much or not

Going to hit up sentinel pillars next and then do some more crashed freighters

[uncut harness]

theres four entries total, but they aren't stored anywhere in the log

[latent ingot]

Had a few archives not saving in log though so that's concerning me

[uncut harness]

archive entries sometimes need a bit of persuasion to stay in the log

especially the multiple choice ones

[latent ingot]

Ahh ok, I probably have seen them then bc I go to them every time I check a new station

[uncut harness]

my advice is keep repeating all the options until it appears in the log

[latent ingot]

It was the Vykeen one that had the analysis of the Gek and Korvax that wasn't saving

Yeah, I have a chill safe planet for each race on this save specifically for knocking out all the archives

[solar cairn]

See, now this makes HELLA sense

[proper imp]

Hey, I saw the same wiki page a week or two ago and came up with a method for finding shadow stars which isn’t terribly slow. I use a couple external tools (a portal address converter and a program which predicts the name of a star using it’s coordinates) but it’s possible without them:

You go to a portal anywhere in the region where you want to find a shadow star (there is exactly one shadow star in each region), and request the portal’s address. You’ll want to write it down.

Writing the glyphs as hexadecimal is convenient: https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Glyph

The 2nd, 3rd, and 4th glyphs make up the solar system index in your portal address. The 2nd glyph has the largest value (think of it as the 100s place) and the 4th glyph has the smallest value (the 1s place). What you’ll want to do is increase the solar system index in the address, input the modified address into the portal, and see if it displays an error.

Once you find the highest possible solar system index that the portal will accept, you know that the solar system index of the shadow system is one higher than that.

If you want to use no external tools, you can try going through the portal to every valid system in the region, and then check the map and look for the one system you haven’t visited, which should be the shadow star. This is pretty slow, there’s at most ~600 stars in the region

You can verify that it is the shadow star by finding the portal and getting the address. If you aren’t able to portal to that address, it’s the shadow star.

The external tools that I used were:

https://nmsportals.github.io for converting the portal address to galactic coordinates.

https://github.com/andraemon/SystemNameCalculator for using the coordinates to generate the star’s name.

And then I looked in the galaxy map for the star name it gave me and warped there. It’s way faster this way and there’s no save editing or modding shenanigans but you might still consider this cheating, it’s up to you.

[ornate summit]

thanks you very much , i'll investigate ASAP ^^

[latent ingot]

@uncut harness

1. Go to Anomaly and land, exit ship to create restore point.

2. Buy everything you can until you're out of QS.

3. Reload restore point.

4. Repeat until satisfied.

Doesn't work for void eggs or fireworks. Everything else is fair game.

[gritty crypt]

am i a bad person for putting artemis in the simulation? i did that but i feel bad eventho its a game xD

[analog breach]

That question you must ansewar to yourself.

[gritty crypt]

i do regret that choice :l

[chrome folio]

what decision is best for artemis?

oh ha

[neat plume]

I usually let him die but I decided to put him in the sim for my most recent playthrough

[merry estuary]

Doesnt matter later

[keen topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMTdMfVgEvw

[keen topaz]

possible leaks in spanish, but not sure

[keen topaz]

the leak is 6 pages long lmao

[keen topaz]

Short version, in english. Jun 5?
-New Expedition
-Performance upgrade (from C++ 2012 to C++ 2022) (The guy says it will be big)
-HG will move from Blender to Zbrush
-It will be a Interceptor related expedition.
-New Interceptor sticker
-New Stations, with a proc gen metal like interior
-New stuff to do at the stations

[crude sand]

Cool and his source?

[keen topaz]

he says he is on the experimental, idk if its true, but if he is lying he is a really pro liar

[crude sand]

Lol who knows the quality of his source is what i question but some of the points could be guessed by anyone “sentinel related expedition” for an example

[keen topaz]

yeah they could, but it would be hard to fake the info about the files

[analog breach]

New stations model pics where leaked some time ago. And knowing there is 4 expeditions per year its not a big mistery that new expedition will be coming soon.

Im more intrested in performance upgrade and zbrush jump.

Will have to wait just a bit longer. Update probably drops after cape unlock

[merry estuary]

I dont wanna have interceptor related expo...

Do something about the background, or exocrafts, or space anomalies

[analog breach]

Interceptor related probably means we will get one from the start.

[merry estuary]

Ugh...

[analog breach]

We still dont know what the exp will be about

[keen topaz]

On the text the guy says Sean Murray has been focusing on bringing the game to C++ 2022 from C++2012. As other user asked about the water.

[merry estuary]

Good user

[keen topaz]

I mean, it makes sense, considering the issues on switch

[merry estuary]

Water is long overdue for a rework

[keen topaz]

In the text the guy says it would possibly come with a full marine update (but he has no info)

[merry estuary]

Source?

[analog breach]

"Possibly"

[merry estuary]

So its purely speculation

[keen topaz]

"That same thing I ask myself, for when the water? To top it off, it's not difficult to improve it. It's just changing the shader settings, fixing a texture and creating some particle effects by nodes. You just have to fix the reflection texture, you have to blur it a little more. To the water material shader add a bit of "Caucasian"???? , IR and refraction, shorten the visual field with volumetrics... And through the nodes add particle effects such as floating seedlings, bubbles and trails of sea currents... In a week that work is done... Unless they are saving it for a major update regarding the marine world. (...) That's why we have to see if, in Sean Murray's head, he did not prioritize optimization and therefore not improve the water, or first optimize the code and then improve the water."

Last paragraph translated from spanish

[merry estuary]

Feels AI generated.

[keen topaz]

I have no idea what "caucasica" effect means in spanish

[merry estuary]

Probably due to the translation

[keen topaz]

it translated to caucasian but i bet is wrong

[merry estuary]

This guy is just talking about water itself

"You just have to fix the reflection texture"

Sure man, just do it

[keen topaz]

Argh did a amazing job comparing to hg Hahahahaha

"Indeed, these files are for the MacOS operating system, they are configuration files for the MacOS controls (since it uses a Bus like Linux) and for the Metal configuration, which the M1 uses... But it also introduces new C++ redistributables, the 2022 version... before there was the 2012 version of the distributables. This means that they have updated the C++ source code to version 2022... It can bring better performance in mechanics and procedures."
Another quote

[merry estuary]

Maybe. But modders focus on one or a few aspects of the game only.

Its easy to improve one aspect if you disregard all the others

In any case... Im not so much for improving water itself, but oceans

[keen topaz]

In total the comparison with the previous one throws me the following files for the next build:
Modified – Binaries/NMS.exe
Modified – GAMEDATA / PCBANKS / BankSignatures .bin
Modified – GAMEDATA/PCBANKS/NMSARC.59B126E2.pack
Modified – GAMEDATA/INPUT/VIVE.JSON
Modified – GAMEDATA / PCBANKS / BankSignatures .bin
Modified – GAMEDATA/PCBANKS/NMSARC.179341B.pak (+3.73 KiB)
Modified – GAMEDATA/PCBANKS/NMSARC.2FD62748.pack (+1.68 MiB)
Modified – GAMEDATA/PCBANKS/NMSARC.451C674F.pack(-482B)
Modified – GAMEDATA/PCBANKS/NMSARC.4C482859.pack (+2.72 KiB)
Modified – GAMEDATA/PCBANKS/NMSARC.515F1D3.pak (+2.14 KiB)
Modified – GAMEDATA/PCBANKS/NMSARC.552FA799.pak (+360.47 KiB)
Modified – GAMEDATA/PCBANKS/NMSARC.59B126E2.pack (+469B)
Modified – GAMEDATA/PCBANKS/NMSARC.5B11B94C.pak (+52.11 KiB)
Modified – GAMEDATA/PCBANKS/NMSARC.72883D74.pack (-73.54 KiB)
Modified – GAMEDATA/PCBANKS/NMSARC.761ACED1.pak (+49.34 KiB)
Modified – GAMEDATA/PCBANKS/NMSARC.8190338E.pak (+307.01 KiB)
Modified – GAMEDATA/PCBANKS/NMSARC.86055253.pak (+8.83 KiB)
Modified – GAMEDATA/PCBANKS/NMSARC.F649E6C8.pack (-2.69 KiB)
Modified – GAMEDATA/PCBANKS/NMSARC.FE28D146.pak(+12B)

(...)From what I could see of the normals, they correspond to a biome and others of metal interiors.
The meshes I can observe are the typical prizes, objects like capes, objects for the bases, etc... The others are path of routes, so for me, it's an expedition with additional contents and into a new biome, possibly referring to the corrupt.
What if it enables MacOS keyboard settings and also the settings for its graphics.
And for rendering use Metal as Vulkan.

[keen topaz]

yes, no news of a ocean update yet

[fierce bobcat]

I do hope we get a Sentinel Ship from this potential expedition

Maybe make it based off of a Sentinel Freighter in terms of the main body

[merry estuary]

Why though, interceptors are ridiculously easy to get

[fierce bobcat]

Oh

I mean, Fighters are also easy to get, and we have 2 Expedition Fighters

why not have an Expedition Interceptor

[merry estuary]

Mh. I hope we get something interesting.

[keen topaz]

i agree, but the utopia ship already kinda feels like one

[fierce bobcat]

Fair

What even is the main shtick of an Interceptor, anyway?

[keen topaz]

Hover

But i got that for my fighter using mods, and also a solar sail

so there is no point

but if you want to hover without mods (PS player as an example) a interceptor can be your ship

[icy citrus]

So they can leak info from the release they are playing, but not pics or vids?

Experimental is open to all btw

[merry estuary]

A pro liar? Nah, most people just dont bother to doublecheck even the most basic claims

[stable dove]

If the game is a simulation then how are there more than one travelers

Like isnt there only meant to be one traveller

[uncut harness]

one per simulation

and there are a ton of simulations within the atlas

[stable dove]

Yeah but travellers can interact with each other

How is that possible

[uncut harness]

because the boundaries between the simulations are breaking

[keen topaz]

Full translation

"No, not me, I have a modeling friend who works with one of the Hello Games developers, who keeps in touch... Sometimes he can get information from him, other times he avoids him... Hahahaha
Besides that, I'm a 3D modeler and leveler, I worked for ID Software for a few years, hence my technical knowledge for both modeling and technical development of game engines. Although I am already far from video games and closer to engineering and architecture simulations."

I do not speak spanish, so it takes a while for me to understand

And Jaum is not Juan

Portuguese is not the same as spanish lmao

[sullen hornet]

Maybe referring to caustics? The light artefacts you see on objects underwater. I thought there was already an effect like that though so idk

[sullen hornet]

As far as leaks go though, this seems like the most plausible 3rd party leak I've ever seen. Would be hard to lie that entire way down for an update to the code, expedition, Mac support, and maybe those updated stations.

Its just not a huge update, and 6 pages of fake leak for a relatively technical and content light update makes no sense to me

If they are working on said optimizations, I'm really excited

The game clearly needs it

[sour fossil]

Lol, the most generic leak ever

Take the things that were added recently, add the missing expedition and add the most notable thing found in game files as of recently

You could literally eat a whole box of these alphabet cereal and produce a more interesting set of patch notes than this

[keen topaz]

or the game is just riding to the sunset

and "most notable things" are just all that HG is doing

hope not

[sour fossil]

Ah yes, I forgot that bringing the game to 3 new platforms within a year = phasing out

Business 101, how clueless of me

[keen topaz]

Content, i mean

I mean if brings them money, it will release even in a fridge

but that does not mean we will have a big update at all

[sour fossil]

Do you seriously think a company (which HG is, so making money comes first) would make their presence on new platforms, new lucrative markets full of players

And not have new shiny stuff to attract then with?

If they are commited to these new platforms, they must have plans to support it with new content, same as existing ones

You don't get players interest by just adding what's obviously missing from the current game

Hence the whole leak is just a buncha bull crap

[keen topaz]

Yes, Fractal had shiny stuff,
Yes, Waypoint had shiny stuff.
Both not big updates

[sour fossil]

You saying Waypoint not being a big update confirms you can't be taken seriously

[keen topaz]

Noop, no new content

added little to none play time

Also fractal, little to none play time

[keen topaz]

not considering utopia*

[solar cairn]

That makes for a weird argument

[keen topaz]

Waypoint was so bad that droped recent reviews to "mixed" in steam lmao

Never happened before

[surreal ruin]

There are definitely bigger priorities for HG, and they have to mind how they spend time and resources as a small company with no subscription or microtransaction model. Kind of unproductive to focus on churning out content that amounts to a little bit more playtime when there are plenty of other technical things to fix in the game imo

I love new content, but I’d rather they focus on smoothing out performance and multiplayer first

[keen topaz]

i agree , and bc of that i think the leak makes sense

[solar cairn]

What leak tho?

The proc gen stations?

[keen topaz]

is up in the chat

noop new leak

[solar cairn]

And we can trust them?

[keen topaz]

I dont know

[solar cairn]

So, it could all be made up?

[keen topaz]

It could, but the guy is for sure a game dev

[solar cairn]

Says who?

[keen topaz]

i think he is

[solar cairn]

This isn't a lot to go on.

All of it is pure speculation

[analog breach]

Legit leak or not, we will see soon. In couple weeks.

[solar cairn]

Or longer

[analog breach]

Imo update can happen soon after cape unlock

[solar cairn]

Or at least, new info drop

Still salty about my solar helmet

[keen topaz]

Well i been researching about tech for a while and some stuff he says is in a game dev level. Ex: ZBrush,Blender, C++ etc

[analog breach]

Oficial info drop would be good to

[solar cairn]

But that doesn't mean it is about the Game. He could have knowledge, and it all be made up for views

[keen topaz]

.

[keen topaz]

True

[solar cairn]

The community has been buzzing with tin foil hats since that new branch on steam

[keen topaz]

Maybe the new stations are made on ZBrush?

thats why so different

[solar cairn]

We just don't have enough concrete evidence. If anything, because that isn't the MO of HG.

HG is tight lipped on most anything about updates until it's emoji time and at that point it's 80% polished for target platforms.

[sullen hornet]

yeah i seriously doubt its completely legit, but its definitely a LOT more believable than typical leaks, which often include a lot of complete nonsense. If you wanted notoriety from leaking game updates, No Mans Sky is an odd choice, but the most unbelievable part for me is mostly that someone in hello games gave this random dude access to the experimental build without very good reasoning as to why

[keen topaz]

They hired game testers for mac i think

[sullen hornet]

Ah, thats relatively believable

[solar cairn]

Aren't they usually under NDAs?

[sullen hornet]

but also the same thing anyone would say if they wanted to make a fake leak seem real

[solar cairn]

Or is that illegal?

[sullen hornet]

and yeah NDA, so if they find out who this guy is, he would probably see some legal action

if its real

[solar cairn]

I know NDAs are legal in the USA, but I'm unsure if the UK has the same laws

[sullen hornet]

if they hired thousands of people for testing, maybe i could see it getting thru, but i dont know HG's testing protocol

The sheer mundanity of the contents of said update is whats interesting to me. No claims of massive space overhauls, or procgen variety. just some minor tidbits about expeditions, codebase optimizations, a breakdown of which files are being updated and how big those changes are, and then some talks about changes to hello games workflow

I feel like you could just as easily make a 2 paragraph long reddit post with a summary of all this, but no, its a wordy and quite technical transcription of a conversion with a person describing their account of working alongside some people in hello games. Still though, I wanna err more on the side of "this is just a NMS fan with some game dev experience and way too much time on their hands"

[fierce bobcat]

Optimization you say

[fierce bobcat]

I mean, NiER Automata had a mod which had this sick ass mystery that gaslit people into thinking the mod was actual ingame content

[sullen hornet]

lmao

[small pier]

Any new info for what maybe coming next?

[torpid scroll]

Question, I just met Apollo at the holo-terminus and was wondering what happens if you chose to accept or reject his offer to be partners?

[near valley]

I can only answer with certainty what happens if you accept him as your partner because that's what I did. If you do then he is happy and gives you instructions on what needs to be done

[glass flare]

anyone who has some passing knowledge of game dev or has done some indie stuff is aware of those tools. besides I don't think moving to a different modeling tool is going to have much of an effect on the game itself. Also I think the person is conflating C++ and Visual Studio. C++ uses two-digit numbers afaik, like C++11 or C++14. There is no C++2022 or even C++22 or C++12. There is a Visual Studio 2022 though. If they are upgrading their version of Visual Studio then that's more about the team being more efficient and productive rather than necessarily game optimizations (though it can be both). Regardless it sounds like this person doesn't really know what they're talking about. Maybe they heard some third-hand info and didn't know what it meant.

[keen topaz]

"What I'm seeing is also a rearrangement of the code and cleaning of some lines of it. This means that they are preparing it for an update of it. Since a code is not ordered, it can cause problems when updating it, such as code that is passed to them and they do not update it because it is not ordered correctly.
What I observe, in general issues of the game, is the following... They have made the game with what we modelers call "Witness models" or "Block models", that is, models that are not definitive, but are functional and contain the necessary functions and procedures for its playability. The code is also built in the same way and to work on all platforms... Now what they are doing is replacing the updated models, textures, materials and code that they consider final. That is why the remodeling of the freighters, stations, etc., testing with vertex color for more variations (they tried it with the interceptors) and they have included all the possible derivations of drivers, vulkan, directx, metal, which are the ones that work almost all platforms... And what I see is that they are thinking about the future with the code, that's why the update of C++ to 2022, so that the game lasts about 5 more years with stability, since many platforms like Steam and Gog are porting them to that version.
This update appears to be just enabling MacOS with Metal3, shipping, and C++ 2022 runtime. Now for the next one, I can't even imagine.
The redistributables or runtimers are the files that allow you to run C++ code, they are like the libraries that allow you to run code made with this programming language. The 2022 redistributables are much faster than the 2012 and 2019 redistributables...(...)"

"Yes, it's a good sign, especially because it's going to give the game more validity.
Huyyyyy I forgot something... The VCRUN2022 can also run on ARM64 architectures...
The ARM architecture are cell microprocessors and MinisPC
That is to say that the applications made in C++ 2022 can be executed in Cell phones with ARM processors and MiniPc with said processors.
And there could be many platforms that could put the game up to date by updating to VCRUN2022, because there are many that use ARM micros, Cell phones, RISC V, Raspberry PI that use the ARM11, the Micro:Bit, etc..."

[keen topaz]

i tried to translate it since im to dumb to understand lmao

[keen topaz]

also we have this image

"It's a remote for the MacOS laptop...
This laptop uses Metal 3, therefore the MacOS thing is final...
It's for the MacOS Metal page, he says."

[glass flare]

@keen topaz Thanks for taking the time to translate. That image you linked is from Apple's site https://developer.apple.com/metal/

It does make sense that they would need to upgrade the C++ version they use for the Mac port because Metal 3 requires C++17 or above

I have no idea what version of C++ they currently use

[keen topaz]

"Indeed, these files are for the MacOS operating system, they are configuration files for the MacOS controls (since it uses a Bus like Linux) and for the Metal configuration, which the M1 uses... But it also introduces new C++ redistributables, the 2022 version... before there was the 2012 version of the distributables. This means that they have updated the C++ source code to version 2022... It can bring better performance in mechanics and procedures."

Also we have this print from a supposed may 19 update

Experimental in the case

"Well, whatever it is is coming now, which is very likely to come this week, today I downloaded a 2.3 GB update, all shader changes, they have also loaded a bridge so that Vulkan shaders can be read by Metal3... Apparently this update that I download are all cache of Shaders, both for Vulkan and for Metal."

[keen topaz]

But im still betting on june 5

[glass flare]

yeah the Orwell thing makes me believe they have something planned to coincide with WWDC. but they could release prior to that. considering they announced the Mac version at WWDC a year ago, it would be a bit embarrassing to release it a full year later at the same event

[uncut harness]

hi

so i already beat the atlas path

is there a way i can still reset the universe?

[icy citrus]

The Artemis Path is what gives you that choice

[uncut harness]

oh ok

[uncut harness]

is there a way to get to another galaxy then?>

[icy citrus]

Go through the core, use the featured bases at the Space Anomaly, join someone in one. Call a cab.

!starcablink

[cloud jolt]

https://discord.gg/WgUdnbZJjh

[icy citrus]

Any of those will work

[merry estuary]

@cedar charm Telamon was a drone originally iirc

Not a demon

Wait I misread, you said daemon. So a subroutine yes?

[sour fossil]

I don't think game ever stated it was a Sentinel drone

[cedar charm]

Yes.

daemon != demon lol

[sour fossil]

A subroutine of Atlas in case it goes rampant

[merry estuary]

There is a pillar excerpt stating it

Voidmother (perhaps?) calls them little drone

[cedar charm]

a background process separate from the ai itself, which in computing terms would be a daemon, but subroutine is a good approximation too

[merry estuary]

Yeah I didnt know how to describe it better. I know what a daemon is though. Language barrier...

[sour fossil]

Does not say they talk to Telamon though

[merry estuary]

Oh f-

[cedar charm]

That's laylaps, not telamon

Whole different being

[sour fossil]

Telamon is always referred to 3rd person in the pillar lore

[merry estuary]

I will pack my bags lol

[sour fossil]

Like an outside entity

[cedar charm]

Boundary failure text deals more with telamon than pillars

[merry estuary]

How did I confuse the two

[sour fossil]

Lol, happens to everyone

[cedar charm]

then there's the presumed third AI

not sure if the corruption updates added more lore to it, since I haven't gotten around to the new stuff yet

[merry estuary]

A third AI? Which one?

Unless you count atlas, void mother, korvax prime

[sour fossil]

Abyss?

[cedar charm]

Abyss, yeah. Probably same thing as void mother.

[merry estuary]

Yeah thats the same as void mother

[cedar charm]

It got heavily hinted at in that one halloween update a couple years ago then largely dropped at least under that name :P

the one that added derelicts I think, but it has been a while so my memory is fuzzy. Might have been the one that added monstrosities if those were different ones.

[merry estuary]

Im too new for that :/

Im only around for about a year

[cedar charm]

I've been around since PC launch day :P

august 2016, I don't remember the day. PS4 had it a week earlier.

[quaint mason]

What are alien monoliths made of

[cedar charm]

I don't think the black rock has a specific name

I'm tempted to say "glass" tho, lol

[merry estuary]

glass GLAss glaSs GlaSS

[quaint mason]

Maybe its hypercompressed mordite

[merry estuary]

Maybe.

[cedar charm]

Doubtful. It is the same material as atlas stations, I think, so its probably something that atlas just cheats in with console commands, not something that regular folks can get.

[merry estuary]

minecraft bedrock

[cedar charm]

pretty much the same properties, yes

minus the fog

[sour fossil]

In my head they are made of Untainted Metal

[quaint mason]

Lol

Untainted

[sour fossil]

So whatever existed before the process that made it Tainted

That's why Tainted Metal is so valuable

[quaint mason]

But processing tainted metal (untainting) into refiner makes nanites, so they are made of nanites???

[cedar charm]

I call it Unobtainium, but I've been known to spend too much time browsing tvtropes

[merry estuary]

Nanites come from atlas, so its not implausible

[cedar charm]

but so does everything else so...

[merry estuary]

But not in the same way

[quaint mason]

Or maybe, the metal is just normal metal that got infected by nanites, who tainted the metal

And thats why we get nanites from the metal

Were actually extracting the nanites off the metal and discarding the metal itself

[merry estuary]

WHat is "metal" anyway? Generic term. Ferrite?

[quaint mason]

Yeah who knows what metal it could be

[merry estuary]

Any of the other craftable alloys?

[cedar charm]

we get nanites from random gooey junk too so I tend to think that nanites are just the mechanism by which things decay in this universe

[merry estuary]

Goes in line with them being nano machines.

[quaint mason]

It could just be metal plating (ferrite), silver, or something we can't obtain

[quaint mason]

Wow

[merry estuary]

Its definitely not silver. Maybe its rusted metal that came into contact with nanites. Look how similar the icons are.

[quaint mason]

Bruh lol I afk too long and I notice my ship cargo is empty, I have broken technology, and I have a grave 🤦

[cedar charm]

For a while, the official lore was that ship hulls were made of Detritum. But that particular element has since been retconned into pure ferrite so...

[quaint mason]

I must've gotten attacked by pirates

[merry estuary]

Could you take that to #no-mans-sky ?

[quaint mason]

What is Detritum? You mean deteurium? The upside down di-hydrogen

Or old ferrite dust

Like condensed carbon was Thaumium9

[cedar charm]

Nope, Detritum was a metal that you got from those advanced-mining-laser-only rock formations, before pure ferrite became a thing.

https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Detritum

[merry estuary]

Its deuterium btw. Not deteurium.

[cedar charm]

otherwise known as heavy water (it is a real world element)

[quaint mason]

Sorry

[merry estuary]

All good, just mentioning it

[merry estuary]

But its just a hydrogen isotope no? Why is it called water?

[cedar charm]

I'd have to look that up but I bet it was just what the scientist that discovered the thing nicknamed it before it got an official name

[merry estuary]

Musta been a silly scientist, Not heavy hydrogen, no, heavy water

Okay, whatever.

[cedar charm]

Scientists can be silly. I mean, just look at upper atmosphere weather phenomena... ELVEs, sprites, ghosts, pixies, gnomes, trolls...

[merry estuary]

Fair fair.

[cedar charm]

they even called one of those Steve.

(strong thermal emission velocity enhancement, but really it was because of a movie and they shoehorned an acronym into it)

[merry estuary]

[quaint mason]

Why is nanites foam??

[merry estuary]

Nanites have many forms

[quaint mason]

As an achievment, I got "awashed by nanites"

[merry estuary]

Interesting

[vernal jungle]

Just wondering which is the 'better' result, currently I've chosen NOT to 'revive' Artemis, but is the other option better?

I don't think living in a machine is a nice prospect, but he(she?)'ll be 'alive' and interactable at least?

[merry estuary]

No difference in the long run, purely moral. Nothing you decide in the story has a remaining effect in fact.

[chrome folio]

OH MY ATLAS IT’S ALL A SIMULATION… cough… ok I feel better now.

[merry estuary]

Always has been.

[merry estuary]

Im curious why you feel better

[chrome folio]

i just feel better shouting it out 😄

speaking of, 1 more jump to my 16th glyph

[merry estuary]

Ah. Well then enjoy portaling

[chrome folio]

huh, well that’s anti-climactic

still got 675k ly to go to center lmao

[merry estuary]

Pssst... You dont actually need to go to the center

[chrome folio]

yeah i know but i was legit trying

1750ly at a time

do i need to be prepared for story/cutscene/credits roll when i do my final hop of “the purge”?

[pale hazel]

also, question for spoiler chat
i think travellers are the atlas' recreation of it's creator, as it said somewhere, but;
was there a "before" in nms?
could you be walking down the street before getting knocked out and plugged into the matrix??

[merry estuary]

If there was a matrix, probably you could

[cloud plume]

if you want to go to the center, you can use a portal once you get the first glyph

fill the 16 spots with the first glyph, it's an invalid adresse but the game will make you go to a system near the center, then you just have 1/2 jumps to do to reach the center

[gloomy isle]

So that leak is definitely more believable than others we've had

Not saying I believe it but I wouldn't be all that surprised if it turned out to be true

[cloud plume]

?

[cunning crow]

So...what's the new leak info that beeblebum is talking about on Twitter?

[elfin pagoda]

Is it true more space stations are coming to the game?

Possibly ones we can create?

[tepid iris]

Where can I find the leak? https://twitter.com/TheLZtweets/status/1660999509978095617

Legacy Zero (@TheLZtweets)

Yall better send me those 'leaks'

Twitter · May 23, 2023, 1:21 PM

or doesn't he mean NMS

[analog breach]

There where some new models found , but nothing 100% certain that they will go live in next update. There was nothing about creating one, only the models. There was many things that pepole found while dighing in game files but didint make it to the update.

[glass flare]

people are claiming you can create your own station now? that seems far-fetched

[sullen hornet]

maybe new pre existing stations but I doubt you'll be able to build one

I wouldn't mind the station interiors being changed, I find them quite detached from the rest of the game now, and they just don't really feel that good to walk around or navigate

Plus all the interiors are identical regardless of system unless it's uninhabited or pirate

[analog breach]

Thats how chain speculations, rumors and deaf phone game works

[pale hazel]

waiting until sean posts a 📡 emoji at this point

[glass flare]

it will probably be 🍎 or 👁️

[magic delta]

Up in the chat

[magic delta]

Up in the chat

Sent in my Pc acc

[polar ember]

What’s the leak?

Is it just more info on space stations?

[dense quartz]

New amazing models were found in the game files, that's all. You can speculate they're working on overhauling them visually at the vest most.

But of course the broken telephone turned that into "Sean himself promised and confirmed that in the very next update we will own and build our own space stations!!"
... Then Interceptor released and some people were so mad, it was silly

[solar cairn]

At most, you might get different dialogue and that's it

Man, regarding the leaked files.

People really need a bit of a reality check. There have been cosmetic items found in the files that we still don't have access to despite being promotional material

[dense quartz]

I'm still waiting to hear what the hell the leaks actually are.
First time I've seen people talk about something without talking about what it is for this long

[eternal radish]

I think the space stations

[dense quartz]

But those are old news, and the place where this started from, Beeblebum, already made videos on them months ago

[eternal radish]

Oh. There's more?

[cunning crow]

That's what I've been trying to find out too along with what their new games is about.

[merry estuary]

This is why leaks suck, nobody actually knows anything

[dense quartz]

At least usually when there's leaks.. you actually know what the speculation is about.
This is the first time in my life I've witnessed a "Hey there's leaks. Where are they? I can't find them" scenario.

I wouldn't be surprised if a group of peeps decided to just pretend like there's leaks without saying anything whatsoever because it doesn't actually exist, and now it caught on and everyone in the community is saying there's leaks and asking for anyone for any info lol

[sour fossil]

I thought we still talking about this one: #nms-spoilers message

And my take on it: #nms-spoilers message

[solar cairn]

Thought so too. That's the only "recent" leak I've heard

And I'm not convinced it was a leak. It was like "things changed". Like obviously, that's what updates do

[sour fossil]

I mean, for me it's still leaked info regarding the game's future

I just don't think it's real because how fucking plain it is

[solar cairn]

It's too basic to be worth any hype imo

[sour fossil]

Exactly

[solar cairn]

At most it's just a game dev terminology word salad

It wasn't as large as the leaked space stations, but we know those are still glitchy, and I don't even think they are accessible anymore.

AND we still haven't gotten a Solar Helmet, and that's been in the files for a year or two now

[sour fossil]

What, you never had an essay to write and fill in 100+ words?

Technical mumbo jumbo is perfect for that

Lotsa words, zero details

[solar cairn]

I have, and I still at least try to make sense so If anyone ask me questions, I can fluff an answer

[cloud plume]

Am I the only who noticed the similarity between the new sentinels MT and the weapons used by the sentinel minotaure?

[marsh jacinth]

can mineral extractors be stacked like energy ones?

[cunning crow]

Is there any info as to what Hello Games new project is that they are working on?

[analog breach]

Nope

[eternal radish]

Are all models from NMS made in Blender???

I thought ZBrush was the industry standard 😅

[analog breach]

There is no standard to begin with.

[uncut harness]

I dont think so

[eternal radish]

There is, but that's #off-topic-bond-james-bond if you want to know more about it 😅

[eternal radish]

Why those patch notes? Are they real or are they bs?

[uncut harness]

presumably bs

afaik theres no solid source

with the interceptor models at least, they had to be converted into a blender file before they could be used

[magic delta]

Is It true that the stations crash blender?

[chrome folio]

is there any lore to the exotic ships?

[solar cairn]

Not that I've seen. In fact, living ships, and Interceptors are the only ones with some lore. Solars might have some

[cedar charm]

@feral phoenix ||The main difference between resetting and not resetting is that the reset is a one-time-only offer to let you skip some galaxies to land you at the galaxy type of your choice. Now if you wanted to get to eissentam, for example, you'd have to travel to the center of Euclid, then to the center of the next 8 galaxies, before you'd land on eissentam. It doesn't matter as much nowadays, you can make the journey easier and faster with taxis/portals.||

[feral phoenix]

Thanks. My other half chose to ||reset|| and he had his stuff broken after. I think I'm okay with manual 😄 I love exploring.

[cedar charm]

Usually at that stage in the game (assuming it catches the player by surprise) the tech breakage is a minor inconvenience - you can just summon your freighter and have all the materials immediately :P

[feral phoenix]

Very true and convenient

[cedar charm]

if you know its coming you can switch to a crappy MT/ship that you don't plan on using, and let that take the damage, then switch back to your normal stuff after, mitigating a lot of that inconvenience.

[uncut harness]

It says feed curious circuits 61 atlantideum

[latent ingot]

@unborn bough speaking of the Void, what are the odds the biological horrors are from the failed Korvax attempts at bringing back Atlantid? I've never seen origin given on whispering eggs

[unborn bough]

Dunno about those but the living ships are spawns of the void mother.

[latent ingot]

Yes

Just a theory

Re : bios

[uncut harness]

A game theory!

[unborn bough]

On another note I'm sharing this here in case anyone wants to translate any of the binary (computer bit system 0 and 1) into letters of the English alphabet and numbers.

[latent ingot]

I've been collecting all the lore, to get more of the stories

Show us the hexadecimal chart we know you have too

[unborn bough]

Google has it xD

[uncut harness]

@heady depot

[heady depot]

Yep

[uncut harness]

Did you see

Btw this all happened to me randomly while playing the game

This button was never there until I had 61 atlantideum

61 can't be a random number because 61 is backwards 16

[uncut harness]

Part of me wants to make a binary message that is just a another hidden binary message that is then just a website link to a rick roll

[unborn bough]

[uncut harness]

Why

Lol

What's wrong with that

Did I do something wrong

?

[uncut harness]

Why did I do something wrong?

[unborn bough]

Rick rolling

[uncut harness]

What why

[unborn bough]

Lol! Nuff shenanigans 😛

[uncut harness]

Is this a joke

Because I see everyone rick rolling people here

[unborn bough]

Yes

[unborn bough]

Not at all. 😛

[uncut harness]

I've had a rough day and probably am going to have a rough night to so I don't really want any trouble I would really hate to be banned for just a joke so if you are joking with me I don't really see this funny part

[merry estuary]

I dont see the funny part in your rick roll

If you dont feel well, stay off public social networks

[uncut harness]

So I'm the only one that likes to watch people get mad at a Rick roll

[rancid flax]

please dont ever. i go into a panic over that song, not because of the fact people hide it in places and surprise people with it when they dont expect it, but because i was almost killed with it playing

im very much serious

this was back in 2003 i think. i dont want to come here looking for the latest no mans sky spoilers and go through this crap again

[uncut harness]

Huh how

Though

[merry estuary]

Go to #off-topic-bond-james-bond

[rancid flax]

ok

[glass flare]

what did I walk into here, settle down everyone. let's talk about some space stations

[rancid flax]

ye

[warm light]

01101001 00100000 01110011 01100101 01100101 00100000 01101000 01100101 01110010
-> 'I see her'?

[merry estuary]

Could refer to void mother

Where is the code from?

[analog breach]

When you give atlantideum to korvax space station core , it will give you that binary code mesaage

[unborn bough]

Station core.

It is referring to the void mother

[merry estuary]

Ahhhh, interesting

Also falls in line with harmonic camps having station cores

The plot thickens

[cedar charm]

@prime inlet I'm guessing you're thinking of Star Seed? Does it have any effect after reaching health cap with forbidden exosuit mods? (#nms-questions message)

[prime inlet]

nope, which is why i mentioned "anything mandatory" 🙂

if they refused to birth a new star, they could get locked out of getting it, even though there's plenty of hp sources yep yep

[cedar charm]

Just making sure. Knowing how the game is, I found it entirely plausible that I could be missing out on extra health even tho the displayed 'health bar' seems to stop growing, which could be a purely visual limitation for all I know. :P

[arctic dock]

https://youtu.be/zGmTIqf33mM
Guys wtf did I just see

[icy citrus]

Beeg worm

[uncut harness]

I already talked about this with everyone here a little while back

I discovered it accidentally and shared it with everyone here long before you noticed

[uncut harness]

See

[rain jolt]

Suggested reset simulation?

[uncut harness]

?

[icy citrus]

#nms-spoilers message

[uncut harness]

Are these still in the game?

[near valley]

Yes they are

[uncut harness]

How do you discover them

In person

[near valley]

Derelict freighters

[uncut harness]

Oh

Shit so there is a chance you will find them

[near valley]

Yeah

Either aliens, defence systems or jellyfish

Can be a mix

[uncut harness]

Ok

So these are the abandoned freighter things you explore for the scrap dealer

?

[near valley]

Yep

[uncut harness]

Ok

Will do I'll keep doing these missions until I find them

I assume they are aggressive and strong

[near valley]

Aggressive yes, strong no

[uncut harness]

Oh

Are they big

?

[near valley]

No, they're small

[uncut harness]

Heh

What is this then ?

[sour fossil]

A bug

Game spawns a bugged "space station core" in freighter as an NPC

[uncut harness]

Yeah but it looks really similar to the space encounter you can find

[sour fossil]

Uhm, no it doesn't?

Dyson Sphere is very distinct

[uncut harness]

Ok yeah you are right

But why the hell did that thing get so big

The other person here said they were small

[merry estuary]

Small and big are subjective

[merry estuary]

@prisma oak in response to #no-mans-sky , if you talk to Laylaps later in the game, he will respond with "Im having so much fun, Telamon-not-Telamon!". So yeah, Laylaps knows at least to some degree that you are not actually Telamon.

[loud rivet]

My Laylaps is stuck to an earlier dialogue even though I've finished the mission A trace of metal

I wish there was any way to restart the mission completely, even if it means I have to give up my current settlement

[glass flare]

I always assumed Laylaps was addressing both of you at the same time. As in it knows you, but it also recognizes Telamon. So basically "Telamon and also not-Telemon". But who knows

[merry estuary]

Also possible. But still means Laylaps knows you are not Telamon

[gloomy isle]

Hmmm apple emoji

The supposed leak did mention a lot of files were for mac os

It could be coincidence but it does support it a little

It would also make sense for an expedition to come alongside the update (remember Sean said it was am evolving story)

And the "leak" did say it was interceptor related

Again I'm not convinced but it's definitely looking more credible now

I sorta hope it's true because it mentions lots of optimisation

[icy citrus]

I mean

Is that a leak, or just logical deduction

[uncut harness]

we already knew mac release was coming up

it was just a matter of when

a leak is hardly a leak if its predicting something that we knew

[gloomy isle]

Oh of course

That's why I said it could just be coincidence

We'll only know in hindsight

Just fun to speculate is all

[eternal radish]

It was already supposed to release last year but it got delayed. I honestly think now is the time.

[sour fossil]

Considering how we got a major inventory and difficulty rework with Waypoint last year

I don't blame HG for taking their time for a new platform release

[eternal radish]

Better to release later than to hurry and release a flop

[gloomy isle]

I'm really hoping we get an expedition to carry on the story that started in Interceptor

[eternal radish]

Would be great

[uncut harness]

Interceptor should have added way more lore than it did

[eternal radish]

Maybe next update will

Apple - > forbidden fruit - > Bible - > Lore Update. Could be.

[gloomy isle]

I'm still leaning on it being a mac port

But fractals was a vr update and still had an expedition, so I've got my fingers crossed

Plus Sean did say it was evolving

[eternal radish]

It could be Apple release and an expedition

[gloomy isle]

Yeah that's what I'm hoping for 🤞

[eternal radish]

A cooking related expedition (remember Expedition 5?)

[gloomy isle]

I don't think I played that one! Was that cooking related?

[eternal radish]

It was Exobiology and it had a cooking mission

[gloomy isle]

Aaah yeah I remember now. It would be really cool tbh, especially if they made food more beneficial

The cooking system is great

[glass flare]

Called it 😄 #nms-spoilers message

[novel summit]

Apple. Apple. Mac OS? Yes. Other? Look deeper. Apple. What do apples have? Cores. Apple cores. Cores. Space station update confirmed.

[sour fossil]

No memes please

[spring hawk]

ok sorry

[glass flare]

Sean invented the meme

[spring hawk]

my apologies

[novel summit]

Okay, another theory. Last time he posted a fruit which was an orange, it was for the update Origins. So what if Apple means the same thing? What sounds like apples? Then it hit me. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the new update title. "No Man's Sky: Assholes"

[spring hawk]

Apple = Apollo
Story update confirmed?

[analog breach]

Apple has seeds. New seed proc gen?

Apple falls from tree. New newton physics ?

[neat plume]

Apples sometimes have worms, people can be considered book worms, books contain lore, the update could be adding lore

[spice gorge]

As I've tooted a few times, I think Apple reached out to HG to feature NMS as a rollout / demo platform for their AR/VR headset which the company is taking VERY seriously. I think that is why the game did not land in 2022 as HG had initially indicated. And Apple's yearly WWDC dev conference kickoff keynote is this coming Friday...

And according to Apple at last year's WWDC ... it's coming to iPad, as well.

[gloomy isle]

Yeah I'm betting on mac/ ipad and an expedition

[spice gorge]

That station overhaul IS coming sometime tho, obv. I wonder how they will be framed?

Seems Exp would make huge sense to get a swath of new gamers into the game with some helpful focus

Agreed

[glass flare]

maybe. I mean it's an obvious possibility, but I'm skeptical that their headset would have the performance to run NMS in VR. I don't think Apple would be happy with the bad visual quality of the PSVR2 version, and the PSVR2 is using the horsepower of the PS5. Apple's headset might have a M2 chip in it, but it's got constrained battery life and VR is more demanding

[spice gorge]

Ah, there was a 2nd Apple tweeted

Mac version and iPad version.

[spice gorge]

Right, but the M1/2 are extremely low power.

And the M2 will outperform the CPU on the PS5

but not the GPU

They are using Metal 3 API and MetalFX upscaling which is very much like AMD FSR, render lower res and see quality upscaling. Might be more like DLSS tho because of the insanely fast Neural Engine in the M1/2. Hmmm.

Metal does use the Neural Engine, but it's not clear when it uses it vs CPU or GPU compute -- private APIs and people tracking the matter can't determine a clear pattern.

I guess, thinking about it, it could be Mac version and Apple AR/VR version, rather....

[glass flare]

well, if they release the iPad version this week before WWDC then we will get a much better idea of NMS performance on M series chips in that kind of portable form factor

[solar cairn]

He sent an emoji?

[glass flare]

yup! two tweets now. 🍎 and 🍏

[solar cairn]

Finally

Hehehe... It's now been "greenlit"

So June 1st Mac update?

[gloomy isle]

Traffic update

[spice gorge]

Wow

The Apple AR/VR headset is rumored to have TWO M2 CPUs within

Which gives it more CPU and GPU power than PS5

IF true

[ruby lagoon]

Apple to apples party game..maybe multiplayer update 🤣

[quaint mason]

Apple shaped planets with apple trees, go on a mission to find a living apple ship which is apple powered. Also new update to cooking: cooked apple, honeyed apple, apple juice, apple pie, apple cake

[spice gorge]

Wow in doing my research - the Apple M2 has over twice the per-core performance of the PS5 on CPU.

[rustic haven]

two different types of apples? obviously it means that its a variety update due to more variety of apples

[daring bronze]

A little off-topic, but those M2 processors aren't nearly as good as they say. Still probably not as powerful as a ps5. Anyone who has done tests that I've seen are astounded at how bad the M2 processors are.

Anyway, I'm excited for the update. Can't wait for the hype channel

[sour fossil]

FYI hype channel is live

[daring bronze]

???

[slow hatch]

#no-mans-hype🐝

[marsh skiff]

Okay figured it out!
So a month ago "Bejryy" branch was updated. Bejryy was a cipher for "Orwell". The first update was on March 5th, 5/5, in reference to Orwell's 1984. 2 + 2 = 5. The second update was on 5/16
This was all in reference to the original 1984 Macintosh advertisement

https://youtu.be/VtvjbmoDx-I

[brittle pendant]

It would be cool if they will release at update at 20:24 UTC+1

[spice gorge]

Per core, the Apple A14 from the iPhone 12, on which the M1 is based (the M1 has the same cpu cores as the A14, but more of then and more cache) when compared near its launch was faster than the per core performance of Intel i9-10900K, as you can see by the AnandTech graph. I assure you the M1 is an extremely powerful processor.

Geekbench 5 above, a very rounded benchmark - you may not like Apple, but their own CPUs are crazy fast.

Just saying -- NMS should be pretty solid on the Mac. And that AR/VR headset is rumored to have two M2 SoCs on board.

That said, I am not switching from my Ryzen gaming PC to game on my Macs -- my PC is faster, but I am excited about having NMS when I am traveling on the M2 MacBook Air I use.

[azure fog]

My question is how will hg get nms running on ipad?

I know the pro models have the m1/m2 chip, but its still going to be a challenge getting it to run on a mobile device

[ashen spoke]

Maybe ship customisation is being added

Because ships can be red and apples are red

[merry estuary]

I wish lol

[spice gorge]

I put my thoughts together at length here. No ads on the page, not making $ from sharing the link.

https://nmsspot.com/2023/05/30/a-tweet-of-two-apples-no-mans-sky-to-land-on-mac-and-apple-ar-vr-headset/

I've followed Apple tech DEEPLY and for a long, long time.

I am guessing, as I say inside, iPad unlikely

[icy citrus]

Won't newer iPads have the M2?

[glass flare]

they announced iPad a year ago. I would be SUPER surprised to not see it show up.

[glass flare]

I will concede however that Sean has been suspiciously silent about the iPad version and has only teased the Mac in patch notes

[spice gorge]

Yes.

The headset is rumored to have two M2 chips and an "8K" display.

That would be something.

[compact coyote]

What are we thinking? IOS port?

[azure fog]

Same, I’ve followed apple tech for quite a long time as well. I agree with your statement about nms being hard to play on a touchscreen. I suppose nms could be one of the flagship games for the reality pro headset as well.

[elfin arrow]

So apple release are we looking at?

[cloud plume]

NMS on phones?

or ipad of idk what?

seems like a bery bad idea

[glass flare]

I've played NMS on my iPhone using the PS5's Remote Play feature. honestly it wasn't that bad at all. Plus iOS supports PS and Xbox controllers now

[rain magnet]

I found an abandoned space station. Only thebteleporter and trade terminal was functional. Is that part of a quest or just random?

It had some of that bio gunk like on freighters and buildings but no vendors or npc

[errant carbon]

will apple have controllers with Reality Pro

if so, thatll make it possible to play

that and for the ipad, i cant see it working without controllers

will apple finally make an apple arcade controller or something

[merry estuary]

Totally wrong channel

[errant carbon]

was more relating it to the 100% going to be NMS on mac and ios systems

i just dont see how the game would work

theres too much going on

[uncut harness]

I predict a minecraft-like virtual joystick and full controller support on ipad.

the controller support on macos and iOS are pretty good now

[gray siren]

Yeah I also think the next update will be Mac related and not a farming update.

It is what it is.

[uncut harness]

The Apple VR headset release is pretty much just for devs, they won't be releasing games on it yet. so it's going to be mac and ipad as stated in the m2 update.

[errant carbon]

more systems means more players atleast

and thats always good

[gloomy isle]

Hopefully it means optimisations too lol

[merry estuary]

💯 ^^^

[spice gorge]

I think their new AR/VR headset and Mac -- I always doubted iPad a bit...

Despite what Apple said

[spice gorge]

At this second, but they want to fanfare it now - it will be a public platform soon.

And it's rumored to have two M2 SoCs in it which would be pretty capable

Surely an Expedition will come with the Mac release

Maybe you have to gather "crab apples" all over the galaxy...

[rain magnet]

Does it take a ton of warps to get to galactic core or am I doing it wrong?

[glad kernel]

Any infomation about the update of internal branch?

[cloud plume]

yea it does, just use a portal to reach it, you only need 1 glyph, the first, and enter a cord with it, you will be send to a planet nearby the center, and then you whould be able to do a few jumps

[lean lance]

I doubt ipad

how would it run?

[rain magnet]

What do you mean only one glyph?

Also that is what I woudn up doing. Watched a video, used a portal.

[cloud plume]

the first glyph stand for the 0, so if you do so, you're trying to go to the absolute 0, wich dosen't exist

if you do so, the game send you to the closest point

wich is one the system near the center of the galaxy

[dusky kernel]

Likholu

[rain magnet]

Does this work for every galaxy?

[cloud plume]

yes

portal system is global for the galaxy

theoricaly, you have 256 possible planet with the same coords (or very close), one in each galaxy

BUT you can only access the one present in your galaxy

if you want another one, take a taxi/save edit

[daring ore]

https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Galaxy_Centre

[spice gorge]

The Apple headset is reportedly the most complex piece of hardware ever produced by the company (post from today). I am expecting NMS to land on this at Apple's imminent conference.

https://www.macrumors.com/2023/05/31/report-details-apple-headset-unusual-design/

[quaint mason]

Why does the gek and vy'keen make korvax noises sometimes? Is it a bug or is it intentional for lore?

[velvet cypress]

synthetigek?

i know of this word but not its meaning

[quaint mason]

I said that to a gek and they got mad at me