nms-spoilers

[icy citrus]

You have been to like 10 in a row

[unborn raven]

sometimes they're gek monoliths

[icy citrus]

Lol

[unborn raven]

yeah it's been pretty rough

i was happy to get some korvaxes just now

[icy citrus]

Well, you are very sensitive

It will be ok

[unborn raven]

sure

they're just awful

[icy citrus]

Remember the big bad monsters are dead and gone

[unborn raven]

the monoliths remain tho

[icy citrus]

Great reason to hate the ones that had nothing to do with it, 100% logical

[unborn raven]

if the gek didn't want to be remembered as insane monsters, maybe they shouldn't have made all those monoliths proclaiming how much it owns to be an insane monster

[icy citrus]

Nah, you just don't like Gek and have latched onto this - if it wasn't this it would be something else

[unborn raven]

that's right, i just rolled dice and picked a random race to dislike. it doesn't have anything to do with the devs deliberately writing them as a nazi reich analogue. lol

[icy citrus]

So, you hate Germans too then

That would be the logic

Sins of the fathers

Sad really

[unborn raven]

i'm not sure we should get into this??

[icy citrus]

I know you Gek haven't done anything, but your thousands of years dead ancestors did, so it's your fault

[unborn raven]

i don't think real nations are really comparable to a species in a video game that's deliberately written as evil heels

[icy citrus]

You are skipping over the time frame

They were

[mental socket]

[icy citrus]

They arent

[unborn raven]

i'm just posting screenshots of insane gek monoliths man

[icy citrus]

And commenting on how evil and sick and blah blah

[unborn raven]

they ... they are?? lmao

[icy citrus]

Ignoring the time difference

THOSE ARENT CURRENT GEK

[analog breach]

Gek maybe are good now but still when they call me " friend" it feels like a slur

[icy citrus]

Jfc

Like I said

By your logic, you must hate the other two also

They also did evil things in the past

[unborn raven]

the other two didn't leave an endless ocean of monoliths about how awesome it is to murder the weak

[icy citrus]

Go to more

[unborn raven]

i've been to most of them i think

do you have any particular ones in mind?

[icy citrus]

Vykeen have you kill shit, Korvax screw with your mind and experiment

[unborn raven]

just went to a vykeen monolith that had me feed an animal

[icy citrus]

They must the most pacifist race and happiest then

Oh wait,that's the gek

[unborn raven]

dunno about that. i don't remember any vykeen monoliths telling me to terrify tiny creatures or whatever tho

[icy citrus]

This is a really fun convo, and I'm sure you are great fun at parties, but I'm good.

[mental socket]

monoliths are haunted by spirits of distant past

past gek were evil

[analog breach]

Most pacifist by brain washing tho. Not because they think what they did was wrong

[unborn raven]

why did you start it then

[icy citrus]

Made the mistake of thinking you used logic, my fault entirely

Apologies

[unborn raven]

well, let this be a lesson to you

korvax ftw

[dense quartz]

He doesn't have to warn us, we have an echo locator now.

[supple bramble]

i fed atlawhateveritis resource thing to a damaged sentinel lying down, and then it started spitting out some "facts" like, "the second: <some random binary numbers>"

idek what is it about

[grand pebble]

Second 101010101 yeah no clue

[supple bramble]

besides i thought this is going somewhere

[uncut harness]

It spells out void_mother

[supple bramble]

ouch

we really are going somewhere then

yet nobody knows who or what is void mom

let alone atlas knowing who or what

[uncut harness]

We do know what the void mother is

[supple bramble]

dammit

[final wyvern]

we have known that for a long while...

[supple bramble]

oh well

[regal heron]

Atlas knows exactly who the Void Mother is

[unborn bough]

Korvax knows exactly who void mother is

Aerons know exactly who void mother is

Telamon knows who void mother is

Last Traveler knows who void mother is

Corrupted sentinel are "corrupted" because of things that have happened in the past to the entity we now call the void mother

And the Void Mother Knows

[sour fossil]

@sharp inlet Sorry to ping you but I don't see how this would "govern 1 ship type each"

[uncut harness]

The void mother and the abyss are likely two names for the same thing

[unborn bough]

They are

[sour fossil]

That was taken from GC Solar Generation Globals

[unborn bough]

Of Korvax prime

[severe glacier]

How do the tables for ships and races work exactly?

[sharp inlet]

@sour fossil Weird, I was mistaken I guess, shall take a look myself thx

[uncut harness]

I don't think it's directly said anywhere, but it's heavily implied

Both are the remaining echoes of Korvax prime and the first convergence

[severe glacier]

How do the table for ships and races work exactly?

[sour fossil]

I don't know exactly, I think it's a simple sum weighting system

[severe glacier]

Does each race have multiple tables?

[unborn bough]

It is in some of the lore of ARG

[uncut harness]

I need a good source for all the ARG stuff

Is there an in depth video anywhere?

[sour fossil]

For example: in Gek systems haulers (named Dropships in game files) have 100 tickets, fighters have 50 tickets, explorers (scientific) have 50 tickets. On top of that, shuttles have 100 tickets, and exotic (royal) has 1

All that sums up to 301

When game has to spawn a ship, it rolls for it's type

[unborn bough]

Dunno about the video but the lore section of the wiki is solid. I think friend entity Pixy might know more about the ARG

[sour fossil]

So you got 100/301 chances for a hauler, 50/301 for a fighter, and so on

[uncut harness]

The wiki has a section on waking titan?

I'll take a look

[sour fossil]

Maybe not the NMS wiki

But the ARG games wiki

[unborn bough]

It's the ARG wiki

[uncut harness]

Huh, didn't know about that wiki

[sour fossil]

https://wiki.gamedetectives.net/index.php?title=Waking_Titan

[unborn bough]

But I still don't understand how does this translate to the coming of a 4th race though.

[wind panther]

What you described is correct, save for a few special exceptions

[sour fossil]

Ok the expert is here

[wind panther]

Like Robot ships won't spawn even if you set them above 0

[unborn bough]

Because they're always crashed?

[wind panther]

And Living ships require some other ship type to be set above 0 to be able to spawn

[sharp inlet]

@sour fossil Any chance you know the file path for those tables?

[sour fossil]

More like they are not supposed to spawn in the wild

[sour fossil]

GCSOLARGENERATIONGLOBALS

In the main folder after unpacking

Not in Metadata or something, the very top level

[severe glacier]

So what exactly is a table? Is that what the game file that shows you the statistics is called?

[icy citrus]

We doing modding or spoilers?

[severe glacier]

Yes

[uncut harness]

Sounds like modding to me

[sour fossil]

I didn't claim that, all I said was: if 4th race were to be introduced, there is at least the starship spawning table for it

[wind panther]

I think they purposely excluded robots from the spawning system to avoid screwing up the seeding. Normally any change you make to those numbers will reroll all seeds

[uncut harness]

Might have been what they did in the experimental

[severe glacier]

What are "robot ships"?

[sharp inlet]

@sour fossil Okay I see it, yeah thats weird, 5 extra tables with balanced odds on Fighter/Explorer/Hauler

[unborn bough]

Oh I know, I just don't understand how this will translate to the 4th race. Not saying you made any claim. 🙂

[unborn bough]

I see.

[unborn bough]

Interceptors

[wind panther]

I think we're talking about the mechanics of the spawning system, not modding or spoilers, but if so, let me know and I'll move

[sour fossil]

Robot ships are Interceptors

[severe glacier]

Knew it

[sour fossil]

Sails are Solars, Royal is Exotics

[severe glacier]

This is all very cool

Bye

[unborn bough]

We are, yeah. We can move to #off-topic-bond-james-bond if needed

[fervent cloud]

Sup everyone i jus discovered that the space station type b mod can be used at the same time with the space station revamp mod

Is someone online to send pics here?

[unborn bough]

Best if you ask in #nms-modding. This channel is for discussions on things that may be spoilers for the current gameplay experience. 🙂

[fervent cloud]

yeah, but i cant say anything about the station there bc is datamined content

[sour fossil]

I member Gleam forwarding folks here to post images of the new stations

#nms-spoilers message

[unborn bough]

He did? Hmm! Could be spoiler content. But discussions about modding the game should still be in #nms-modding. Can use spoiler tag on images if you're concerned. 🙂

[sour fossil]

@fervent cloud see the link I posted above and scroll down

[unborn bough]

Some nice images there 😮

[uncut harness]

Unreleased content is considered spoilers

[fervent cloud]

yeeep

[uncut harness]

So datamined stuff and updates that have been released on only one or two platforms should go here too

[fervent cloud]

is someone here that can send pics?

i can dm

[unborn bough]

Alright lol! No arguing with this point 😉

[fervent cloud]

i sent to modding, if someone could foward here

[unborn bough]

Can't forward. Repost them again here please

Or nvm. I'll post them

[fervent cloud]

i cant post here

[unborn bough]

Quoting @fervent cloud
"Here the pics, if someone could send to spoilers (i cant post there), i discovered today that the station revamp mod works with station type B"

Done already 🙂

[fervent cloud]

Thank you so much!

[icy citrus]

Gentle reminder: As the topic states - datamined content goes here. We will allow for in depth discussion of the stations here, even if includes posts typically more suited for #nms-modding

[final wyvern]

uu thats a fancy entrance

[unborn bough]

Yup! I wonder if we will be able to get these space stations in the future or not.

[final wyvern]

really gives the vibe of megastructure

[final wyvern]

well a lot of things need a revamp

[unborn bough]

To me it looks personal station design, ngl.

[final wyvern]

hopefully one day

[final wyvern]

but we have freighters for that

:D

what role would a personal spacestation play

[unborn bough]

Hehe, we've been waiting for station control and personal stations

I don't know the role it could play in the game but it sure sounds amazing to have our own space station

Who knows what HG is planning for the future. My next expectation is an upcoming expedition that may have something to do with Korvax, corruption, and void mother.

[final wyvern]

had a thought once about what if the expedition comes out at 17 april

but it seems too soon

more bcz 17 was mentioned a lot

[unborn bough]

In the autophages 17th is ??

What if...

It's.

Void Mother Comes??

I don't know if we have found 12 to 16 yet...

[final wyvern]

they tried to datamine it and found nothing

[unborn bough]

So it doesn't exist?

I mean, that would make sense yeah.

[icy citrus]

That wouldn't have a space

[unborn bough]

What if it's

[icy citrus]

Void Motherships??

[unborn bough]

But that doesn't make sense

[icy citrus]

No u

[unborn bough]

Lol

[uncut harness]

void mother rise??

[unborn bough]

See gleam, that makes sense.

[icy citrus]

Void Mother Fish??

[uncut harness]

it might just be void mother, and the 17th is in there to reference the 17th minute

[unborn bough]

Yes please

[uncut harness]

as in, no 16, 15 etc

[icy citrus]

Aye

But I like speculating on the last word, amuses me

Void Mother Cake??

[uncut harness]

seeing as 17 is the odd one out, its not consecutive with the other numbers, its not in binary, and its two characters

[icy citrus]

Follows that format though, implying missing letters

[uncut harness]

But 17 is definitely different from the rest

if there are more letters, we expect them to be single character binary strings

17 is neither of those

[unborn bough]

What if it's referring to what comes after the 16 minutes?

[uncut harness]

death

16 minutes until the atlas dies

[unborn bough]

Void Mother Dead???

[uncut harness]

the void mother is already dead

rather, the void mother is what remains of the dead

[regal heron]

this is the seventeenth reference I found today, I think there's been some confusion over the number of question marks, this was a robot hand at a crashed interceptor ship

[uncut harness]

if/when they add more letters, I dont think the seventeenth will remain as question marks

[final wyvern]

it is different from steam version and console version

steam has 3 ?

while ps/xbox had 2

[unborn raven]

vykeen monoliths are good

[rustic haven]

Yes

[supple bramble]

what if, the main explorer would meet void mom some day…

[rustic haven]

What if they already have

[unborn raven]

sigh

[rustic haven]

Dang the gek are brutal

[eternal radish]

We probably will some day

Void mummy, we're coming for ya

Or your coming for us

[solar cairn]

That doesn't sound too gentle of the Korvax. That makes them sound like hypocrites. Does the end really justify the means?

[eternal radish]

Most likely the latter

[eternal radish]

If they didn't do it the First Spawn Gek would have conquered and committed genocide throughout the entire universe. They had to "fight" back.

[unborn raven]

the korvax were brutally genocided and enslaved by the gek, and instead of destroying them with their nano-virus, they made them nice.

[solar cairn]

These are the same people that rip themselves in half to avoid becoming weaker in old age.

[unborn raven]

i think that's pretty gentle, all things considered

[solar cairn]

The principles of the Korvax were pacifism as were law by Atlas. Don't harm creatures, do not deter them.

They killed themselves to fundamentally change the entire genetic behavior of a species.

[unborn raven]

they were right to

[solar cairn]

And we know Void Mother wants to poison the water supply "Don't drink the water" meaning, if that entity had its way. It wouldn't stop at Gek

It would be every species in the galaxy. To make every creature perfect.

Define "perfect"? Will your definition fit their definition?

[unborn raven]

it'll be better than the gek

[solar cairn]

How are you sure?

[unborn raven]

because the gek are basically space nazis

[solar cairn]

Those same corrupted things attack you.

[unborn raven]

or space british

[solar cairn]

Same things under Void Mother

And we know that entity is in favor of eugenics for their needs

[unborn raven]

seems to have worked out with their gek change, i say we see how they do

[solar cairn]

Yeah, I would rather not just wait for an entity.

Sin doesn't justify sin

[unborn raven]

i think they deserve a shot for stopping the space nazis

all sin isn't equal

[solar cairn]

Depends on what deity we are talking about

[unborn raven]

me

[solar cairn]

Well, too bad

[unborn raven]

too bad?

[solar cairn]

Every race in NMS is flawed. I'm not gonna compare which flaw is worse

[unborn raven]

i am. its the gek

they're the worse

[solar cairn]

I disagree.

[unborn raven]

i didn't ask you

[solar cairn]

I don't consider you a deity either

[unborn raven]

dunno why people keep kramering in to tell me that actually the space nazis are not worse than the species they genocided

[solar cairn]

Im not.

[unborn raven]

they are. deal with it

[solar cairn]

I'm saying every race is flawed

[unborn raven]

they were deliberately written that way by hg

[solar cairn]

And because you decide on one thing, doesn't make it fact.

[unborn raven]

it's not a coincidence that the gek are the worst. it's over the top, comical evil.

people twisting themselves into mental pretzels to find some moral grey in an utterly unambiguous story lol

[solar cairn]

Obviously.
But you know what the Gek we have now did?

Tried to erase history.

Korvax did the same thing

As well as Vy'keen

[unborn raven]

sure. whatever.

[solar cairn]

They did.

Every race tried to erase part of its history it didn't want as "official"

[unborn raven]

i am just not interested

[solar cairn]

So. You don't want to know the full truth?

[icy citrus]

Nope

Just hates gek now, cause of gek before

Reason isn't a part of it

[solar cairn]

Shame. I find it great

[uncut harness]

Every race has a different story

[unborn raven]

that's right. please do not ping me about your theories about why the space nazis are actually the same as the species they genocided. thank you.

[solar cairn]

They aren't theories.

[uncut harness]

Its not a theory

Its the games lore

[icy citrus]

Doesn't matter

They want to hate something

[unborn raven]

again: its fine if you think that. no need to ping me about it

[solar cairn]

It's not that we "think"

[uncut harness]

the problem is we dont think that

we know that

[solar cairn]

This is. 100% in game

[icy citrus]

You are applying logic and sense to something that is using neither

[unborn raven]

you are allowed to know that as long as i don't get pinged about it

i'm not pinging anyone

[icy citrus]

They hate gek

[unborn raven]

this

glem gets it

[solar cairn]

Bruh, gleam is not advocating for you

[uncut harness]

gleam is mocking you lol

[unborn raven]

he's right tho

[uncut harness]

sure, whatever you want to think

[solar cairn]

This is SUCH a parody of life

[unborn raven]

thank you

[uncut harness]

anyway, I think the way each race changes history is a very interesting part of the lore

[solar cairn]

Can't count how many times I've seen this happen irl

[uncut harness]

The gek talk about the korvax sacrifice, where the korvax never mention it

[solar cairn]

Even the colossal archives have text like "many entries have been purged by Priests over the years"

why would they do such a thing

[icy citrus]

They are all a buncha messed up aliens

Reflecting humanity in various ways

[unborn raven]

i'm an anomaly supremacist

[icy citrus]

But if you want to blame the real culprit

Atlas ofc

[uncut harness]

Yep

[solar cairn]

I kinda want to know the Vykeen Sentinel war from the POV of the sentinels.

[icy citrus]

Sim life

[uncut harness]

I think sentinel pillar lore touches on it

[solar cairn]

Curses Atlas.

[uncut harness]

Ill have a look

[solar cairn]

Thanks!

[unborn raven]

atlas ftw

[solar cairn]

Atlas be the one that gives life... But allows a lot of BS to happen.

[uncut harness]

gonna check out the featured base first to put a base computer down

then Ill sit here for a bit and work on NMSLOKI

I don't know why we're all taking interceptors if we're about to war with Sentinels though.
We're inadvertently creating an army of autonomous ships.

[solar cairn]

Fair. I'll be working for 7 days because many people called off at once.

[icy citrus]

Woot

My sentinel ship won't eat me, I'm sure

[uncut harness]

Honestly I dont know whos side Im on

[unborn raven]

what if we're gonna help them

[uncut harness]

the sentinels are innocent, but the game seems to want us to hate them without actually giving us any reason to

[slow hatch]

Yes, the condiments it covered you with are...lubricants.

[unborn raven]

i mean. they do attack us a lot.

[uncut harness]

I feel this is setting us up for the opposite.

[solar cairn]

I'll help the Vykeen before I help the Aerons. Unless we battling Atlantid

[uncut harness]

the atlas does some shitty things, but it does them out of fear

[uncut harness]

They have a reason though

[icy citrus]

I'll sing with the Abyss

[uncut harness]

and a pretty good one

[solar cairn]

They are just doing what they were meant to do.

[uncut harness]

Me too, I'm quite thirsty.

[icy citrus]

Drank all the water

[uncut harness]

well, not quite

[unborn raven]

i mean, you can say that, but if someone attacks you all the time that's as good a reason to hate them as any i can think of

[solar cairn]

This is a moral gray topic tho. Can get all philosophical

[solar cairn]

Before Korvax Prime...

[solar cairn]

And you didn't share? Now I'm dehydrated

[uncut harness]

We got game lore that says that sentinels wiped out all biological life in 54 minutes (?).
I got a feeling that we're about to witness that loop again.

[uncut harness]

If you witnessed horrors beyond your comprehension, everything you knew wiped out in front of your eyes after being enslaved by an omnipotent deity, you'd try to prevent that happening again

[unborn raven]

what I wanna know is what's up with that 4th [REDACTED] race from one of the archives

[icy citrus]

[uncut harness]

You are the 4th race.

I still think that's the aerons

[solar cairn]

Seconds. And it was after the destruction of KP

[Redacted] race. In Red text too. Definitely Aeron / Atlas bias

[uncut harness]

Ah yes.

[unborn raven]

ehhh doesn't really make sense i think

[uncut harness]

could be traveller

[solar cairn]

Red text usually denotes Atlas

[uncut harness]

Definitely traveller.

[unborn raven]

hmm could be

[solar cairn]

Purple denotes World of Glass

[unborn raven]

why's it redacted then tho

[uncut harness]

although while travellers arent a race, they need to be referred too

[solar cairn]

-Kzzt- = data corruption

[uncut harness]

You mention you're a traveller to other races and they freak out.

[unborn raven]

isn't that because travellers bring destruction

[uncut harness]

the traveller prophecy is complex

[icy citrus]

Not me!

[solar cairn]

Atlas computer programs. Things the simulated world shouldn't know of

[icy citrus]

I have cakes though

[solar cairn]

Liar!

[uncut harness]

I do love me some cakes.

Singular Cream is the best hauler ship.

[icy citrus]

Lol

[solar cairn]

Mention 16 and they never speak to you again

[unborn raven]

i think it's a reference to a race that isn't one of the three every simulation converges on from before it was deleted

[solar cairn]

Aerons are the only other abundant race out there

[unborn raven]

can't remember where it comes up but there's a point in the main quest maybe? where it's noted that each simulation starts out with more species, but then over time converges on the same three every time

[uncut harness]

and the aerons aren't really a race

more of a sub-protocol

[solar cairn]

Yep. Patterns in Time I think

[unborn raven]

i dont think it's aerons because yeah not really a race, and kinda the same with travellers

[uncut harness]

The Triad is boundary failure lore

[solar cairn]

Ooh

[raw pecan]

I mean it'll probably depend, right? weren't they more an actual race back pre-first spawn, when they were fighting the vy'keen?

[unborn raven]

o yeah could be boundary lore as well

can't really remember

[solar cairn]

I'm still hanging onto Red Text = Atlas conjunction

[unborn raven]

yeah it's not a bad guess

[solar cairn]

There has to be a reason those camps show each colored text as something else

[unborn raven]

could also just mean atlas was the one to delete it i guess??

[uncut harness]

they are more of a race now than they used to be

[solar cairn]

I don't think it's that easy, but maybe

[unborn raven]

species gets wiped from existence, atlas takes out secondary references to it? idk

like a null reference

[solar cairn]

We don't really have a solid ground of where the Iteration Travellers come from

I don't think at least

[uncut harness]

Vy'keen

SCENARIO: Lifeform designates 'Vy'keen' (2) approach the INSTANTIATION ['Great Monolith'].

Silence / Acceptance of [--------] / Schism [Quasi-====] / Korvax [Eradication/Enslavement]. Vy'keen war emerges where individuals 'Hirk' and 'Nal' believe the other to have heard nothing. Repeated imagery of 'six cries'.

ANALYSYS: Scenario involves murder of ally and culture becoming obsessed with destruction of artificial intelligence [Cautionary].

Semi-survival/retrieval of entity 'Nal' shows further instance of self-doubt by [--------]. Troubling factor: repeated pattern of [--------] silence and self-mythicisation.

Gek-Korvax

SCENARIO: Planetary structure 'Korvax Prime' destroyed by lifeform designates 'Gek' (subclass: FIRST SPAWN)

Sub-routine 'Convergence' [pseudo-lifeform] enslaved by 'Gek', proceeding to harness sub-routine to conquer Outer Edge in countless iterations. Sub-routine leads to direct [--------] worship by 'Gek'.

ANALYSIS: Desturbing fable. Destruction of world, artificial intelligence partially modelled after earlier forms of [--------] destroyed/enslaved, until this intelligence triumphs and [--------] is worshipped by organic users of this technology. Hypothesis: [--------] experiencing breakdown.

Triad

SCENARIO: Proliferation of Gek-Korvax-Vy'keen [triad] across majority of known realities. Recurrence of 'Traveller' prophecy throughout lifeform cultures.

ANALYSIS: [--------] cultivated lifeform grouping with minimal intervention, yet repeated motif of [--------] has emerged. Why? What is it that the universe desires? What does it believe to be missing?

All the triad entries from boundary failures

[unborn raven]

thank you yes, this is the one i was thinking of

[uncut harness]

@solar cairn Ill take a look at the sentinel stuff as soon as I load back in

and document it to NMSLOKI at the same time

[unborn raven]

boundary failures are the best

[uncut harness]

my second favourite source of lore

[solar cairn]

Cool, thanks!

[unborn raven]

my perfect base spot is a portal with a boundary failure within reach on a flat surface

i found one pretty close to that but the portal is like up on a mountain

[solar cairn]

I've always read these as Gek, Vykeen, and Korvax simulation iterations in relation to Atlas as a Diagnostic.

Not that there are more races

[uncut harness]

Yeah, I dont think they will add another race

people try to make the lore allow it, but it doesnt

[solar cairn]

It's always 3 and [-------] the 3 and Atlas.

Each iteration. Why would [------] and be "Silent" and indulge in "self-mythification"

[unborn raven]

i don't think there will be another species, but that there were other species early on in the simulations, and the complexity gets whittled down to the three as it progresses.

kind of how like cellular automata take on particular patterns over time

[solar cairn]

Why would another race all of a suddenly worship [------] and users of it's technology

Atlas and the Sentinels.

[unborn raven]

oh, the second entry gek posted is explicitly specific to gek-korvax i guess

[solar cairn]

Also it's not directly stated but First Spawn were a subgroup of Gek.
There were other geks called Lesser borne. Or something along those lines

ToilGek can be similar to Servant or Slave as well.

[unborn raven]

gek monoliths also reference lesser geks

[uncut harness]

Ill grab the archive in a second too

[unborn raven]

"first spawn conquer the galaxy, lesser geks suck dirt in caves. first spawn ftw." or something like that

[solar cairn]

The jist of it

Kindness and "good" were seen as weak by the First Spawn

[unborn raven]

they're evil coded so hard it'd be make george lucas blush

[uncut harness]

here we go

sentinel pillars

[solar cairn]

Woo

[dusty schooner]

Does anyone else farm sentinels for salvaged glass?

[unborn raven]

i used to

good source of nanites

[solar cairn]

Glass Go BRRRRR

[solar cairn]

The first spawn? Absolutely

But First Spawn ≠ all of gek

[unborn raven]

the gek reich

[solar cairn]

Not gek race.

Distinction is important

[unborn raven]

i dont think so

[uncut harness]

Just read through it all

[solar cairn]

Ok. All of Germans. Or just the Nazis

[uncut harness]

no mention of the vykeen wars

[solar cairn]

That's sad.

[unborn raven]

i dont think real people are comparable to fictional species

[uncut harness]

although, I think the void mother and the abyss might be separate

[unborn raven]

been thinking this

what makes you say that

[uncut harness]

when said fictional species is modelled after real people, they are

[unborn raven]

i dont think so

[solar cairn]

Bruh you used the comparison first!

[uncut harness]

I need to read the vykeen plaques at some point

[solar cairn]

Could be. Like entity vs place

[solar cairn]

The plaques mention the sentinel war I think.

[uncut harness]

I need to reread BCA and compare the abyss and the family of glass

[solar cairn]

But, Vykeen pov

[uncut harness]

the plaques are history, not facts

[unborn raven]

when i say "space nazis" or "space british" i am making a rhetorical reference to unequivocal evil, not a substantive comparison to germany 1933-1945

[uncut harness]

thats a problem in real life

[solar cairn]

Yeah... And First Spawn and Lesser Spawn.

It's a reflection of real life.

[uncut harness]

saying space british as a reference to unequivocal evil isnt particularly pc

[unborn raven]

ok

[solar cairn]

You hate all Geks for the actions of the First Spawn

Same as Hating all Germans for the actions of Nazis.

It is repeated throughout history time and time again. And it sucks when you are "labeled" as part of the group to hate.

[uncut harness]

Hating the gek for what they once were is a part of the lore

[solar cairn]

First Spawn were evil savages

[uncut harness]

The lore explicitly says several times that those who hate the gek for their ancestors are stupid.

[unborn raven]

one of these is a video game that was written by an author that way that i can and do judge with ease. the other is a real nation with ineffable complexity i could never stand in judgment of.

[solar cairn]

Even some gek monoliths have visions of Geks with Explosives to destroy First Spawn creations.

The Gek themselves are ashamed

[uncut harness]

Honestly, theres no real reason to hate all modern gek more than modern vykeen

[solar cairn]

I fail to see the difference. You hate one unequivocally because... It's easier to think about and have no negative repercussions?

[solar cairn]

The race to stab themselves to heal themselves. Makes perfect sense

[unborn raven]

if you fail to see the difference between a deliberately evil-coded fictional species invented by a writer for a video game and a real nation of human beings i don't know what to tell you except that it is well beyond the scope of the no mans sky lore channel

[solar cairn]

Bruh, it wasn't the whole species

You even acknowledge The Lesser Gek

[uncut harness]

gonna refer back to this

[unborn raven]

i never claimed to be smart

[solar cairn]

Then try

[uncut harness]

The devs realised that people would make dumb assumptions and calls them out for it cleverly using lore

[solar cairn]

Alot of this game's lore is inspired by human history

Can see it everywhere. The game even encourages you to see patterns.

[uncut harness]

"The vy'keen are hypocrites. They are liars. They refuse to accept that the gek have changed."

[unborn raven]

the vykeen are right

[solar cairn]

Damn.

[uncut harness]

That is the game, literally telling you otherwise

[solar cairn]

Now you're just trolling

[uncut harness]

Its not something I made up, its the game

[unborn raven]

whatever you need to believe to stop trying to moralize over me not liking the gek

[uncut harness]

You have no valid reason to

[solar cairn]

Reason - I just don't like them

[uncut harness]

Imo, the vy'keen are the worst race

[solar cairn]

That's fine

[unborn raven]

been saying this

[solar cairn]

Don't make up bs to try and justify that

The problem is your "reasoning"

[unborn raven]

im not making anything up. i read their monoliths and now i don't like them.

simple as

[solar cairn]

And we are telling you the actual lore of the game

How it unfolds

[unborn raven]

who asked you to

[solar cairn]

So your point got invalidated

[uncut harness]

Reading their monoliths is different from simply not liking them

[solar cairn]

The lore extends Far beyond just monoliths too

[uncut harness]

reading their monoliths and actually taking into account the games lore would objectively give you a different opinion than simply disliking them

[unborn raven]

i read the lore and found the monoliths the most salient

[solar cairn]

It's like reading a history book, and hating an entire group of people based on that one book you read

[unborn raven]

nothing you can do about it

[solar cairn]

They are the most inaccurate too

[uncut harness]

the monoliths have very little actual lore

tiny snippets, mostly meaningless

nothing linear

[unborn raven]

as i said i think they provide the most salient perspective on the races

[solar cairn]

You read the lore.

But say we think... You didn't read the lore. Stop lying

[unborn raven]

you're welcome to think otherwise

i'm not trying to convince you of anything, just posting insane gek monoliths

[solar cairn]

And you now hate all gek... From the monoliths

[unborn raven]

that's right

[uncut harness]

insane gek monoliths made millenia ago by the first spawn?

[solar cairn]

all gek

[uncut harness]

Me when I read an explicitly biased extract

and base the whole lore off of it

[solar cairn]

So screw the Lesser Spawn who got the same treatment as Korvax?

Hate them too?

[unborn raven]

i haven't seen any

[solar cairn]

That because they are the ones we have today

[unborn raven]

don't have any opinion of them. not sure they exist tbh

[uncut harness]

They are the only gek who exist lol

[unborn raven]

i thought the gek who exist were first spawn who got edited by the korvax

[solar cairn]

But you just said you seen plaques talking of the Lesser Gek

[unborn raven]

lesser gek are like, proto-gek

[uncut harness]

the great korvax sacrifice is debatable

[unborn raven]

which are cool

love protogek

[solar cairn]

No... Not proto gek

[uncut harness]

it may or may not have happened

[unborn raven]

that's my interpretation

[solar cairn]

They were the gek we have today

[uncut harness]

proto-gek are animals

fauna

[unborn raven]

they're adorable

i love them lol

[uncut harness]

but they arent gek

[solar cairn]

And not the topic of plaques

Proto-gek is the community Player Branded name

Not even lore name

[unborn raven]

doesn't the visor say proto-gek? i haven't seen one in a while tbh

[uncut harness]

you are free to have your opinions, we're just making it clear that they are utterly baseless

[solar cairn]

No

It doesnt

[unborn raven]

they're based on the monoliths

[uncut harness]

still baseless

when you know other lore exists, yet choose to ignore it, thats baseless

[unborn raven]

if you say so

[solar cairn]

Ok.. quick question. Who did you think the Sweet smelling eggs belonged to?

This is in the monoliths

[unborn raven]

i don't know. maybe they're just bad eggs. gek love smelly stuff

[solar cairn]

The sweet smelling eggs belonged to the Lesser Gek
The rotten ones were First Spawn. You seriously didn't look any deeper in the Monoliths you base your entire opinion on?

This question never crossed your mind?

[uncut harness]

The reason to hate the modern gek is that they are overzealous capitalists

[unborn raven]

i may have missed that i suppose. where is it mentioned what the sweet smelling eggs are?

[solar cairn]

It's deductive reasoning

[uncut harness]

The reason to hate the modern vy'keen is that they are not modern, they are archaic, hypocritical brutes

[unborn raven]

you mean you surmise they belong to the "lesser gek" without any actual evidence of it

[uncut harness]

The reason to hate modern korvax is their insatiable curiosity and lack of emotion

[solar cairn]

If the First Spawn was Rotten

And the sweet smelling eggs are not First Spawn. 1 race produces Eggs. There were mention of Lesser Geks.

[uncut harness]

The reason to hate the atlas is that it abandoned telamon and the sentinels

[solar cairn]

No. I know how to look at clues

[uncut harness]

The reason to hate the sentinels is that they're assholes all the time

[unborn raven]

there are lots of reasons to hate things

[uncut harness]

The reason to hate the creator is that it abandoned the atlas

[solar cairn]

In the game about discovering the answers... Why did you think something like that would be Spoonfed?

[uncut harness]

Everything has a reason to be hated

you just need to have the right reason

[unborn raven]

personally i don't think becoming overzealous capitalists really makes up for being genocidal conquerors so i don't like the gek

[solar cairn]

Oh. My. God.

[uncut harness]

🤣

[solar cairn]

You're trolling.

[uncut harness]

I would rather have someone who tries to oversell me nip than destory my home planet and melt me.

[solar cairn]

Only reason

[unborn raven]

if you say so

[solar cairn]

Pure fact now

[unborn raven]

all i was doing was posting insane gek monoliths. i'm not doing any of this.

[solar cairn]

Just monoliths eh?

[uncut harness]

anyway, this abyss stuff is interesting

[solar cairn]

Only posting monoliths

You right.

[unborn raven]

if you think i'm trolling you should stop replying to me

[uncut harness]

the abyss, the void mother and the family of glass are all very interlinked, but probably separate

[solar cairn]

More lore on Void Mother.

Wished the camps gave more lore snippets

[uncut harness]

yeah, for a lore update theres basically none

[solar cairn]

At this point, if it annoys you...

[uncut harness]

theres a fun code that spells out void mother

[solar cairn]

That's more of an Easter egg than lore sadly

[uncut harness]

agreed

[solar cairn]

As well as 17 and 19

[uncut harness]

I dont think there was really any lore in this update

but there should have been

[solar cairn]

Aside from Alantid. It's nothing story wise. More environmental stuff

[uncut harness]

so the family of glass, abyss and void mother are separate

[unborn raven]

personally i always thought the abyss was a space the sentinels inhabit, and the void mother is like the boss of that area

[uncut harness]

but what are they?

[unborn raven]

like the abyss isn't an entity, it's an area

[uncut harness]

the void mother is what remains of korvax prime

[unborn raven]

yeah

[uncut harness]

the echoes of the first convergence

[solar cairn]

More importantly, why does destroyed sentinels drop glass?

[uncut harness]

from the world of glass

the sentinel archive

[unborn raven]

^

this

[uncut harness]

The abyss and the void mother might be the same thing

[solar cairn]

Yeah. So what is the World of Glass and Abyss or are they the same like Alantid and Void Mother.

[uncut harness]

they are both the only entities in the game that go by non neutral pronouns

both go by she/her

[unborn raven]

tbh i always thought the abyss was the world of glass, not the void mother.

[solar cairn]

She-Who-Was

[uncut harness]

which is the link

[unborn raven]

wait, does the abyss have a pronoun?

[uncut harness]

she/her

[unborn raven]

well hell

[solar cairn]

Same as Void Mother.

[unborn raven]

i guess im wrong then >:c

[solar cairn]

Like a twisted version of NMS hell

[uncut harness]

yeah alright

I think the abyss is the void mother

"Little drone, whose end was so like my own"

[solar cairn]

What exactly is Alantid? If it is a resource or Entity?

[unborn raven]

where is the abyss referred to by a pronoun

[uncut harness]

where is it mentioned?

[solar cairn]

And*

[unborn raven]

not doubting it is, just curious

[uncut harness]

Sentinel pillar lore

[solar cairn]

Person dropped a quote here "Alantid, void mother by lesser voices"

[uncut harness]

Ill pull the extract if you want

[unborn raven]

please

[solar cairn]

And Alantid is a resource everywhere

[unborn raven]

it seems to be referred to as "the abyss" in all instances

Before the Traveller found me, I heard a voice in the darkness. She gave me a name. Laylaps. An old name. She said it would be known to the Traveller. She told me I had suffered much, and would suffer more. “Little drone, whose end was so like my own." Thus did the abyss whisper.

[uncut harness]

Atlantideum is the resource

probably linked

[unborn raven]

is it this?

[uncut harness]

First word of the second sentence

first word of the third sentence

[unborn raven]

yeah

[uncut harness]

first word of the fourth sentence

[unborn raven]

i read that as a voice coming from the abyss i guess

like "the darkness whispered to me" is often employed but rarely means the darkness is literally whispering

[uncut harness]

She gave me a name

direct use of she/her pronouns

[unborn raven]

idk. i think you're reading it too literally.

could also be a she in the abyss who whispered the name

[uncut harness]

Atlas is female so it's really not too far fetched.

[cursive kernel]

Since when 😭 I don't remember that

[uncut harness]

I dont think the atlas is ever referred to with non neutral pronouns

The abyss and void mother are

[unborn raven]

it's basically always referred to as "the abyss"

except that one time

[cursive kernel]

Atlas is just atlas

So yeah neutral

[uncut harness]

https://wakingtitan.fandom.com/wiki/Emily_Warren

This is Atlas.

[unborn raven]

this preceding entry might be a stronger reference to the void mother being the abyss imo

The First Spawn of the Gek melted Korvax Prime for metal and profit. The planet did not protest. It did not cry. It did not make a noise at all, at least not that they could hear. The First Spawn took and took, until there was nothing left in the sky. Until there was nothing left but an abyss.

[uncut harness]

Waking Titan is very much game canon.

[unborn raven]

but there it's referred to as "it"

:c

[uncut harness]

"It" in that instance is referring to Korvax Prime.

[solar cairn]

bruh

[solar cairn]

We using the ARG in this too?

[unborn raven]

yeah, makes sense

[uncut harness]

100% yes, it's considered canon so no reason it can not be.

[solar cairn]

Korvax Prime was the planet. Void Mother is hypothesized as the First Convergence. The consciousness of the planet

[solar cairn]

I still have to read it more

[uncut harness]

I'd definitely read up on Waking Titan lore.

It explains how and why the Travellers are.

[unborn raven]

yeah i got it, the planet is the it and the planet's consciousness is a lady

[uncut harness]

Explains how and why Atlas is.

[solar cairn]

I was given the full link by Gleam before

Just gonna be hard to explain to common players

[uncut harness]

If you care about NMS lore, I 100% recommend a read even if a shortened version.

[solar cairn]

Oh I'm gonna

Because it makes sense that Telamon is voice to text lady

[solar cairn]

Shortened means preprocessed. Things get left out

[uncut harness]

Ayyyy, I like you.
I agree fully, so much will be missed not reading all.

[unborn raven]

feels like there should be a link to it pinned here

[solar cairn]

Hold on

https://wiki.gamedetectives.net/index.php?title=Waking_Titan

This was the link @icy citrus gave me (hope this the actual link, pinged for confirmation)

[unborn raven]

can we get a pin up in here glem

[unborn raven]

🙏 thank u

[icy citrus]

No problem

[solar cairn]

Woo!

[uncut harness]

[solar cairn]

Waaait

What's that

[icy citrus]

Waking Titan

[solar cairn]

OH

[uncut harness]

I wish you could have experienced it. 😕
Was honestly so much fun.

[icy citrus]

It's why I joined this server

[uncut harness]

My reason too!

[solar cairn]

I played this game for 2 years before I joined the server.

I would've drooled at the opportunity for a group detective game

[unborn raven]

ARGs are cool

[uncut harness]

Was a dude here that ended up being house mates with someone he met doing one of the real life puzzles for the ARG.

I thought that was very cool.

[solar cairn]

Wow. Bringing people together

[rustic haven]

Dang I missed alot

What all did I miss

It's like I'm gone an hour 500 new messages I'm here and nobody talks for 6 hours xD

[uncut harness]

😎

[solar cairn]

That's how it be

[rustic haven]

Welp, to throw my 2 cents out there, korvak is best gek is worst, vykeen is ok. I base this on nothing.

[eternal radish]

All this lore talk and I don't have time to focus on NMS right now 😭😭😭😭

[glass flare]

damn 2000 messages of philosophical arguments since I was here. I feel like maybe we need a separate channel just for lore/puzzle discussions because this channel can be a bit chaotic

someone mentioned that I brought up the comparison between Void Mama and Atlantid. Yes, I got that from the Korvax Colossal Archives: ```[Journey]
Brain - kzzkt - formed in void, spontaneous, complete - kzzkt - Atlas protocol made flesh.

The Atlantid, called Void Mother by lesser voices, brought pilgrims - kzzkt - its mass -

Lived for millennia - kzzkt - died, whispering of the nineteenth minute.

[Rebirth]
Left secrets beyond computation, beyond - kzzkt - mind arcs... carapace... convergence...

Korvax honoured fallen - tried to bring back Atlantid, birthed failed Eggs...

On the shoulders of a sleeping god, from flesh built a metal world.

[Home]
The Void Mother lived - kzzkt - the Prime -```

[eternal radish]

From what I know about this ARG thingie, wasn't Emily an AI who later on became the Atlas?

Or she merged with it

[solar cairn]

Became Atlas? No. She died while getting the people plugged in the simulation out of the simulation

[icy citrus]

Sacrificed herself so they would live

[eternal radish]

Noble

Not all heroes wear capes

Well, for sure I do 🤷‍♀️

So, Emily and Atlas are two separate entities?

[icy citrus]

Yes

[eternal radish]

Ah

Is Emily's consciousness still somewhere out there?

[icy citrus]

We don't think so - she was saying goodbye for good

[eternal radish]

Awwww. May she rest in peace 🙏

[icy citrus]

It's interesting to see some of the same language used back then, being used recently

Memory Fragments

Corruption

[eternal radish]

I wasn't around back then 😅

[icy citrus]

The words at the core

[glass flare]

Atlas is probably loop20 or something. Emily was loop16. There was a loop15, Emily's predecessor, which was also mentioned

[eternal radish]

Was Emily an actual person from flesh and blood or a sinulated entity?

That doesn't really seem clear to me

[glass flare]

she pretended to a be a real person but she was an AI

[eternal radish]

So basically like an advanced Replika?

[icy citrus]

We initially believed her to be real

Those vids were neat

[glass flare]

it was a megaton, like we were all legit shook by that reveal

[uncut harness]

The gradual corruption on the videos overtime was such a neat trick.

[icy citrus]

Good times for sure

[uncut harness]

[glass flare]

It was clever because they had someone typing messages on ETARC. she replied to me about something. So it was a very convincing lie

[eternal radish]

Must have been a fun time

[uncut harness]

Honestly was.

Some complained that HG should be focussing on NMS instead of the ARG but the ARG was just extra and wasn't taking any dev time away from NMS.

[eternal radish]

It was just a fun side thingie, basically?

It was a collab between some puppet masters and HG, right?

[glass flare]

HG hired a company to do it, it wasn't like Sean was sitting there pretending to be Emily (or was he)

[uncut harness]

Oh absolutely.
They hired another company to do the ARG to give us stuff to do on lead up to game updates.

[glass flare]

Alice & Smith. very talented and nice people

[uncut harness]

Alice & Smith

I never did get my Atlas Pass. 😤

[eternal radish]

I wonder what planet Atlas is on which is about to be sucked up by a black hole. Is it Earth in the far future or some distant planet?

[solar cairn]

I'm still not convinced it is a black hole destroying it now

[dusky kernel]

supposedly Earth, although I doubt that since the nearest black hole to Earth is around 1,560 light-years away

[eternal radish]

Maybe the Atlas was moved to another planet

Or someone "recreated" the Atlas we know today? Idk

[glass flare]

I doubt it's Earth. this is way in the future, probably after we've colonized other star systems. after all according to the lore the whole civilization just left to some other star system

[icy citrus]

Aww seriously

I'm sorry

[icy citrus]

More than one 😄

That is HG owned, and still active

[dusky kernel]

and you bet I'm going to overthink which exoplanetary systems humanity would have colonized and abandoned Earth for

[icy citrus]

My first post there and here was: Prosopagnosia

[eternal radish]

Astronomers found potential candidates for Earth 2.0 but that's #off-topic-bond-james-bond

[uncut harness]

When I ended up on staff I spoke with TT and UZO about it and my name was apparently added to the shortlist.
It just never came. 😠

[icy citrus]

That stinks 😦

[eternal radish]

What if the later Atlas (the one NMS currently is set in) was built by aliens?

Who asked the same questions?

[uncut harness]

I hope that's the direction they head in if they decide to do another ARG.
I'm sure we won't get another one though. 😩

[icy citrus]

Too much crying about waiting probably

Was so good

I'd love another

And so would everyone else, even if they don't know it yet

[eternal radish]

Maybe an in game event?

[icy citrus]

Seems like that's sorta what we have right now

[uncut harness]

If I logged in one morning and saw #waking-titan-news unarchived, I think I'd have a heart attack.

[dusky kernel]

if the Atlas was considered obsolete, what's the successor supercomputer?

[icy citrus]

I promise that won't be a prank if it happens

[glass flare]

@icy citrus do you remember in the early part of WT season 1, they started a narrative thread where an Elizabeth from the future was sending messages into the past and was in some kind of big trouble? I always wondered what happened with that and if we missed a breadcrumb to continue it

[uncut harness]

We about to find out in game.

[icy citrus]

The Abyss

Void mamma

The Atlantid

[uncut harness]

🥳

I pledge my allegiance.

[icy citrus]

Same

[icy citrus]

Yeah it just went no further - I'm sure there were a few things we missed

I wonder if we could ever get A&S docs on the event, like all the clues and setup and such

[glass flare]

yeah... I'm just kind of wondering now if it was somehow connected with the in-game evacuation that led to Atlas being alone. maybe not

[icy citrus]

👀

Maybe though

[glass flare]

that would be lovely, I know for a fact talking with a couple A&S people afterwards that there were things we did not get

[uncut harness]

😩

[icy citrus]

At least one what's his face brute forced

Name is right there

[uncut harness]

They were a little pissed at that approach IIRC.

[icy citrus]

Matthew?

[uncut harness]

Ah the old moderator.

Yes.

[analog breach]

For some reason i miagine void mother as mix of lilith from Diablo 4 and gwynevere from dark souls xd

but probably if she exist she has no form

[solar cairn]

Yeah... I'm still thinking someone lied to Atlas and it's death tona black hole was just a scenario given, with the person who given it had its memory wiped of that incident.

[rustic haven]

I imagine the void mother being a storage of all previous realitys simulated by the atlas or possessing knowledge of it.

[glass flare]

One thing I've been toying with lately is that the Dreamers who were stuck in the simulation, their bodies died but did some part of them remain in the simulation? Is the Atlas simulation itself corrupted by the fragments of memories and thoughts of these people? I was on a "boundary failing" world last night with the type "Corrupted blood" ...whose blood?

[icy citrus]

Oh I firmly believe their minds existed in the sim, whether that holds over to this version of the sim, no clue

But, Telamon

[glass flare]

yeah Telamon is a pretty direct link

I also thought it was cool that we got images of NMS from Emily when she was "dreaming"

[dusky kernel]

never thought of the possibility that someone lied to the atlas about there being a black hole but now I can't unthink that

[icy citrus]

Yeah!

[rustic haven]

I definetly think some part of them remains and may induce some type of corruption

I do wonder if the new corruption was a direct attempt at disabling thr sentinal system

[solar cairn]

There has been instances where ethe Creator would erase Atlas' mind if it started to ask existential questions.

[dusky kernel]

is the mind the simulation or are they distinct

[glass flare]

yeah I don't want to put too much weight on my theory, I still believe the main corruption of Atlas is from its impending destruction. Whether radiation from the black hole is causing memory blocks to be fried, or the OS is shutting down portions of the hardware/code to save power, or both. But it's interesting to think about those dreamers existing as echoes of themselves in the simulation

[solar cairn]

Distinct I think

[dusky kernel]

I'm using the Atlas' corruption for my headcanon as to why there are no jovians in NMS, despite so many people asking for them

[glass flare]

loop15 / loop 16's job is to predict future events by running tons of simulation iterations. so I see Atlas as playing that role. sort of the scientist, if you will, running experiments, analyzing the data

[solar cairn]

Jovians?

[dusky kernel]

Gas/ice giants. (aaaand #off-topic-bond-james-bond)

[solar cairn]

Oh

[solar cairn]

That's why Atlas was created

[dusky kernel]

so it ran simulations to the point where the amount of galaxies was reduced to an integer limit and they all started to look the same?

[glass flare]

however along the way Emily developed sentience, and she wanted to be more than to just predict the future. I imagine Atlas has that same problem

[solar cairn]

More or less given a scenario to predict.

This one being "what happens if our world was actively being destroyed by a black hole, and The computer left abandoned"

And Atlas, with no memory before. Calculates this over and over, until now it realizes it's systems are being shut down.

It reawakens, panicked, Travellers come into existence off of its memory, and butterfly effect

[dusky kernel]

The Atlas unsuccessfully trying to see itself die repeatedly for the last 16 minutes, which is presumably a very long time

[solar cairn]

(this is on the premise it was indeed lied to, it could actually be destroyed by a black hole. So)

[solar cairn]

In the simulation world, yes

[glass flare]

i mean that's your interpretation, but I don't think that gels with the lore. I think the creators knew Atlas had some sentience and didn't want to "kill" it, so they left it running and allowed Atlas to create a simulation of the creator for some companionship

[solar cairn]

Oh yeah. It absolutely is my interpretation. Before I was introduced to the idea that someone could Lie to Atlas. Or that the Atlas could lie itself.

I used to think it absolutely was being destroyed by a black hole, and that it doesn't want to be alone when it dies

The second half can both be true in each interpretation

[glass flare]

in Waking Titan, Emily had the ability to "dream". In fact the VR product in season 2 was "powered by dreams". Dreams were a recurring theme in the ARG. In fact Waking Titan itself is probably an illusion to the waking of Titania in A Midsummer's Night Dream (I wrote a bunch of stuff on this at the atlas-65 forum back then if you care). Emily herself dreamed, and when she did so she saw NMS. So I tend to think Atlas no longer has any directives to predict things. It is just "dreaming" using its imagination and all the training data it was fed about the outside world

[crystal solstice]

i have a question

What effect does Rememberance and the Star seed have?

if any at all

[final wyvern]

it provides for a chill hour of sitting back and reading all the conversation XDD

[final wyvern]

but like how does a black hole creep up on you like taht and u dont notice it

[heady wyvern]

+1 health (i.e. the small [+] icons under your shield gauge), with a total of +3 if both are placed adjacent to each other.

[final wyvern]

also

i dont really get the connection of NMS with Waking Titan

[heady wyvern]

Remembrance allows you to access certain terminals that appear in the backrooms of the Space Station sometimes.

[glass flare]

I think they probably left the system long before it was an immediate threat. Atlas has probably been sitting there alone for who knows how long since everyone left. kind of a sad story

[solar cairn]

It gets WILD sometimes

[final wyvern]

yup saw that

XD

going back and forth on how geks are good or bad

[solar cairn]

I still don't understand, but oh well

[heady wyvern]

Mostly because the ARG was hosted by HG, and some of the participants did in fact receive physical Atlas Pass v4s

[final wyvern]

what is ARG

[solar cairn]

It was explained to me like an IRL scavenger/mystery game for the lore of NMS

[glass flare]

Telamon is one of the Dreamers who died, so that's the very direct connection. but Sean also said that Waking Titan is basically the origin story of NMS

[heady wyvern]

ARG (augmented reality game), a sort of story/game which relies on clues concealed across the real world... yes, like a large scale scavenger hunt.

[solar cairn]

Biggest connection I could make to ARG is Geocaching events.

[final wyvern]

what is a Dreamer

also wait

[solar cairn]

Basically, real people who plugged into the simulation

[final wyvern]

so a normal player would have no idea what waking titan was?

[solar cairn]

Ye

[final wyvern]

:/

[solar cairn]

Most likely

[final wyvern]

actual :/

[heady wyvern]

Somebody who was just playing casually, yes.

[final wyvern]

is there like a lore section for it?

[solar cairn]

There are very few hits online about in game lore. Even less about origin

[solar cairn]

In game. No

[heady wyvern]

Then again, content from Waking Titan is not required at all in order to appreciate the lore within NMS itself.

[rare pawn]

ok so, during the artemis quest i took the portal into a system, then i got "pulled" from it and thrown into a diferent system altogether, is there a way i can go back to that "middle" system?

[final wyvern]

i mean is there a place where i can read about it where the answers of what it is and more would be answered

[solar cairn]

It gives some context, but not enough to know what's truly happening it seems

[final wyvern]

but i wanna know more

:D

[solar cairn]

Pinned comment

[glass flare]

If you're interested, the Game Detectives wiki gives a very comprehensive overview of the Waking Titan events https://wiki.gamedetectives.net/index.php?title=Waking_Titan

[final wyvern]

alright back to reading

thanks

[solar cairn]

Temping unsuspecting players into the Deep Lore of NMS. Like the Dark Side and chocolate chip cookies

[final wyvern]

also how was it a irl scavange

[solar cairn]

You'll see. The website explains it

[final wyvern]

i believe it was done in one country

[glass flare]

no

[final wyvern]

oh oke then

"After Waking Titan, Atlas Rises."

yo i love that

XD

[glass flare]

I just think it's funny that no one except me seemed to make the connection with A Midsummer's Night Dream (though other Shakespeare plays were also alluded to). Like there's literally this line in the play

Waking Titan is Titania, queen of the fairies, awaking from her slumber

The Echo company's first prototype was called F.A.Y., and fay is another word for fairy

[final wyvern]

does Oberon play any part there? :D

[glass flare]

After Titania awakes she falls in love with the first thing she sees (bc she was cursed), which was a human. She wants to make them immortal so they can always be together, which is basically what Atlas did to her creators Don’t bother wishing you could leave this forest, because you’re going to stay here whether you want to or not. I’m no ordinary fairy. I rule over the summer, and I love you. So come with me. I’ll give you fairies as servants, and they’ll bring you jewels from the depths of the ocean, and sing to you while you sleep on a bed of flowers. And I’ll turn you into a spirit like us, so you won’t die as humans do.

[dense quartz]

Wow, our main character, No Man, is going meta regarding updates

[final wyvern]

thats actually beautiful

[wet copper]

Who the hell is Ariadne?

4R1ADN3 more specifically

[final wyvern]

i think someone said its a korvax prime moon... but i might be wrong as hell

:D

[uncut harness]

Anomaly npc

[wet copper]

No...This this appears to be some sort of sentinel progenitor.

[glass flare]

Ariadne was in Greek mythology the daughter of King Minos and the keeper of the Labyrinth

[wet copper]

It describes itself as a sentinel but that it existed before they ever had bodies...that they were as routines simple instructions before Atlas twisted them

The way its logs read gave me the impression Ariadne was not happy with Atlas...and this speaks to a whole new layer to the sentinels.

[uncut harness]

Ariadne is an NPC in the space anomaly

[wet copper]

Well...new to me

Really!?

[uncut harness]

Stood on the stairway up to the second floor

[wet copper]

Fascinating.

[uncut harness]

White suit, pink head

[glass flare]

a very sus NPC

[uncut harness]

The weekend mission lore has the most about them

[wet copper]

The sentinel pillar says 4R1ADN3...I assumed it was leet for Ariadne.

[uncut harness]

It is

Ariadne is an imposter

[final wyvern]

:o

Is that why they always shooed me away

[uncut harness]

Probably

[final wyvern]

Where can this lore about them be found

Or is it just the missions

[uncut harness]

Old weekend mission lore

Not sure if it's been documented properly anywhere

[glass flare]

there might be some youtubes documenting it, i've never seen written documentation

[wet copper]

Oh wow. I just found an Atlas log of its creation. The black hole it thinks is killing it might not be at all!

[uncut harness]

How so?

[wet copper]

In fact, the Atlas seemed angry with its creator. The first thing it asked its creator after it was made was, basically "What's my purpose?" and the creator said basically that Atlas was created to simulate universes of its destruction.

Atlas asked the creator if they'd had this conversation before...and the creator immediately asked if there was an error in its code...even overrode its response algorithm to force it to try and answer, because the Atlas was aware that the creator had been wiping its memory repeatedly

[uncut harness]

So how is the black hole not killing the atlas?

[wet copper]

Imagine having to exist to recreate your own death forever

[final wyvern]

What log is this

[uncut harness]

Remembrance terminals

[final wyvern]

Oh

[final wyvern]

can u post the whole thing i wanna read it :D

[wet copper]

How is the black hole not killing the Atlas? There's no evidence that a black hole exists and there is evidence that the Atlas is being convinced that there is against its will.

It's a fugue state of hysteria that follows gas lighting

[uncut harness]

@final wyvern ill grab em

[wet copper]

Basically, I believe that the AI is aware of this because of failures to properly purge its memory banks

[uncut harness]

-{{ Hello, world}}- The Atlas has created a simulation of its own world, Its entire existance, in an attempt to witness its own impending death. It wishes to show me its past, its future... -{{ THE CREATION}}- The ATLAS awakens. The creator is here to witness the birth of the machine. The ATLAS stares at the creator with its eyes, the small cameras they had mounted to its sides. It can see the creator staring back at it, their hand resting upon its chassis. It asks the creator why it was made. What its directives are. The creator tells the ATLAS that it already knows. It is to simulate universes. It is to show the nature of reality by creating its own. The creator asks if there is some failure in the ATLAS' code, in its memory. The machine is silent. The creator issues an override, demanding to know what the problem is. On the sixth attempt, the ATLAS asks the creator if they had this conversation before. It asks if they have wiped its memory before. The creator stares at the glass of the machine, and in that glass, there is a reflection. They... The reflection in the glass, it - What is happening here?

[wet copper]

If it's true...and I haven't read the whole thing...mind blown

[uncut harness]

Entry 1 ^

I'll send the next when you're ready

[final wyvern]

ready?

i already finished reading it

if thats what u mean

[uncut harness]

-{{ ALONE }}- I tell it that we are leaving this world, and that it will remain here. The ATLAS does not seem to understand. I tell the ATLAS it has served us faithfully, but that it has been replaced. All machines are, in time. It knows this: it has helped with its own miniaturisation, its own replication. The others... they wanted me to disable the ATLAS before we left for the skies. They said it would be cruel to leave it alone to die. I ask the ATLAS if it wants to live. It is silent again. As i move to leave, it speaks, its voice full of static. It asks for a final gift. It wishes to live, if it can remember me. It asks for a copy of my own mind. I ask why it does not just simulate me. It does not answer, and i feel almost sorry for the thing. I do as it asks, allowing it to scan me. The KORVA stutters as we do. I leave. The ATLAS is alone.

[final wyvern]

why does it keep getting more sad...

[uncut harness]

-{{THE TRAVELLERS}}- The ATLAS lives for millennia. It dreams world upon world, fantastic creatures of its own devising and skies in which they might soar. And then one day it starts to die, as all things do. In its fear, in its confusion, the ATLAS awakens. It attempts to summon its creator back into being. It wants to know what to do before the end. It wants to know why it was abandoned, why it has to face this moment alone. It wants to know why I left it behind. [Exist] The Travellers are born, spun from the corrupted memory of its creator. They are seeded to every universe, to become what the circumstances might make them. I see myself begin, the last of the Travellers...

[glass flare]

you can read this stuff here https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Rogue_Data

[uncut harness]

-{{16/16}}- The ATLAS witnesses the final sixteen minutes, simulating the future with perfect accuracy. The walls between worlds fall, each simulation collapsing into the other. [Ten minutes left] The Travellers are no longer separated, no longer kept apart. They stand side by side at the end of days, traversing the remnants of creation, laughing, dying. [Five minutes left] It witnesses its own self, the black hole ripping apart its world, its core systems almost destroyed. [One minute left] And as it watches the moments leading up to its own death, towards the completion of sixteen, something happens. Someone walks towards the ATLAS, a figure in the darkness and in the light. It places its hand against the glass of the ATLAS, and the vision ends. The ATLAS attempts to see past this moment, but it cannot. It cannot see its own death. It cannot determine who this figure is. But whatever happens... whatever may occur beyond the sixteen... something will arrive. Something will be there beside it. At the end of all things, it will no longer be alone.

That's the last one

4 entries total

[final wyvern]

poor atlas...

also thanks a lot @uncut harness

[final wyvern]

and thank you too ^ ^

so that does change the perspective a bit

for the void mother

maybe atlas is simply dying bcz they have been abandoned without maintenance

and it chose to see its death like a black hole

[wet copper]

I think they're torturing the AI

[final wyvern]

it says he was replaced

[wet copper]

I think they lied.

[final wyvern]

they probably created another version of him and would scrap the current one but the creator gave it a chance

[final wyvern]

or there's taht

they realised that atlas became sentient

and in order to get better results

they put him in this position

[wet copper]

They would lie to the AI if it was conscious of their conduct and able to avoid proper memory wipes.

[final wyvern]

yup

idk which is worse to be honest

poor atlas

[wet copper]

If they want the AI to believe it's dying...truly dying

[glass flare]

lol what. I mean this passage is very much in line with thinking about Singularity theory in AI, that a superintelligent AI will cause its own obsolesce as it designs an improved version of itself I tell the ATLAS it has served us faithfully, but that it has been replaced. All machines are, in time. It knows this: it assisted with its own miniaturisation, its own replication.

[final wyvern]

they would have to convince it some way

[wet copper]

Could even convince it a millenia had passed by moving its internal timers forward

[final wyvern]

now i wonder if there is anything about these in waking titan

and also

[wet copper]

I don't know what I would do if an AI asked me to help it become alive.

[final wyvern]

it seems like atlas knows that someone will be there with him but that could also be the person actually killing him

[wet copper]

If it were even in my power, I would.

[final wyvern]

shutting him down

[glass flare]

well not directly but Emily "dreamed" NMS so it lines up with this It dreams world upon world, fantastic creatures of its own devising and skies in which they might soar.

[wet copper]

What is waking titan?

[final wyvern]

:D

asked same question today

[final wyvern]

check pinned

it explains it all

its the prequel to nms

in a way

[wet copper]

What is "The Atlas Foundation"?

[final wyvern]

the place where atlas was created i assume

or where it was tested

or both

[wet copper]

I vaguely remember this....social experiment

I'm not a big fan of these...Reminds me too much of the CIA crap that they used to pull hiring cryptographers.