nms-spoilers

[dry summit]

at the start he somehow felt worry with the situation of his friend

[eternal radish]

I kinda wonder how Apollo and Artemis became so close. They both have very different personalities. I wonder how they met.

Btw I love the irony here and how your name is “emotionless”.

[dry summit]

yes

thats why i use emotional

i can just "feel so bad with those choices"

[eternal radish]

I am so curious to their histories. How they met. How they became close friends.

[dry summit]

in fact, apollo somehow questioned me actually.
"So Artemis alright, right?"

like when i just put him into simulation and knowing that he won't know that this is just a sim

somehow feel sick with the choice when i can put him to sim or not

[eternal radish]

What choice did you make?

[dry summit]

i choose to put him into the sim

[eternal radish]

Okay. So did I.

I can’t get myself to let Artemis die.

I thought maybe there is some hope in the future. Maybe we can ever clone Artemis.

[dry summit]

but somehow i just think, Artemis is dead, why wont i just let him rest in peace.
But then, i realised that Artemis loves travelling

and in the sim, Artemis can still travelling whatever he want

so i just put him into sim

[eternal radish]

Only one system though but maybe it’s very big and elaborated.

[dry summit]

yeah, but when apollo asked me "He's fine with the sim, right?"

i just ummmmm

like he somehow knows my feelings

I wanna let Artemis rip, but i can't as he just wanna travel everywhere.

[eternal radish]

I once did an explorer’s guild mission for a Vy’keen who wanted to create a simulation of a universe and who needed mineral data for that. Maybe Artemis can be transferred to a sim that’s a universe instead of a single solar system.

[dry summit]

it somehow turns into Steven Universe's episode when Pearl wanna take baby Steven's gem out

[eternal radish]

I never watched Steven Universe. Sorry 😭😭😭

I’m a cultureless swine. I know 😭😭😭😭😭😭

Atleast I play NMS 😎

[dry summit]

you just need to know, Pearl loves Pink Diamond, and PD just turned into Steven's gem as she wanna be a human.
Then, Pearl knows it and wanna take the gem out to let PD back to life.
But at the final moment, she knows that she cant as thats how PD wants to be

[eternal radish]

Ok

[dry summit]

back to NMS, it just like I wanna let Artemis rip, but i can't as he wants to travel everywhere

😭

[eternal radish]

I wish Artemis could choose their own fate.

It feels so wrong

[icy citrus]

They did choose, but then we had to butt in and steal their mind

[eternal radish]

It’s like as if a family member gets into a coma and will likely never wake up and you’ll have to decide to get them off life support.

[eternal radish]

They just wanted to escape wherever they were stuck at (The Abyss/World of Glass most likely) and meet other Travellers.

[dry summit]

fuck why artemis called me 😭

and i chose to tell him a lie

[muted moth]

all the options suck tbh

[dry summit]

but, Nada just told us dont tell him the truth too early, right?

im using trad chinese so i dont know their names in eng

[muted moth]

you got the names right just fine

and it's up to you what to do, and then feel bad about it after 🙂

you don't close off some part of the game by your choice

[dry summit]

i hope i can tell artemis the truth later on as he can accept the fate

[muted moth]

you can always do what many of us do, add your own internal extra narrative which shapes your gameplay or expands on what you think happens later on

[dry summit]

like well

idk how to say

it depends on my irl experience about fate shit

like somehow, we just wanna ignore it and live in our own world

and someday later, we'll know somethings not right and wanna know why and then we seek out the fate/truth

so on, we dont wanna accept the fate/truth and just wanna escape, but just look back to the own world

we already live inside our own fate, then a moment later we'll accept it

[muted moth]

I guess everyone's different

some people want to know the truth from the outset

some need time to adjust

and some will never adjust

[dry summit]

yeah. depends on different ppl

me, need time to adjust

as it's true that when my dad was gone, i just thought that he's still here

even in my dream

but later on, after several years, finally accept the truth

that he's gone, no more in our dimension.
but in another dimension that we need to go through to the galaxy core to meet him again

[muted moth]

my read of it is that all the travellers are facets of the same being

from all the dimensions where they are

[dry summit]

the travellers somehow can be a lot of things, but still being the same

different shapes, same core

[muted moth]

something like that!

[dry summit]

just like energy

can be transformed but cant be destroyed or created

but somehow travellers can even be everything but still being their own

which feels like Buddhism

Everything is nothing, but nothing is everything at the same time as it's how the universe works

why this game is filled with a lot of philosophies

[errant socket]

Too late now I have to fix everything

[dry summit]

so korax just use nanite to change the gek?

🤔

"evolution"

I feel so weird with the story now, i thought we all fucking peace

turns out into no

they fucked up each other

😭

[solid yacht]

so that's it?
no way to save artemis?
and i lost my ship

[fast crest]

impossible to lose a ship.

[solid yacht]

all i have is a ship that barely take's off

[solid yacht]

can't summon it because it's damaged

[fast crest]

theres 2 chooses, let artemis live on simulation or kill him.

[fast crest]

fix it then.

[solid yacht]

so i accidently killed him😐

[fast crest]

you choose killing him?

[solid yacht]

i can't reach it, idk where it is

[solid yacht]

yeah, on accident though. i wanted him to live

[fast crest]

Use your analysis thing and find a ship icon.

[solid yacht]

i'm not even on the same planet

[fast crest]

your ship will follow you anywhere, it's impossible to stay on a planet without a ship.

[solid yacht]

i'll look for it

[fast crest]

if you get teleported to another planet your ship will appear on your planet.

[solid yacht]

alright

will the icon appear even if i summoned another ship?

[fast crest]

yes.

also #nms-questions channel can help you better.

[dry summit]

i think i reached the end

atlas judged me

they all alive, because of you.

[muted moth]

the end of the tutorial... now the universe awaits!

[dry summit]

i think, Artemis knows that he's not real for now when i told the world that atlas gonna die at 16 mins

after several jumps, he called me and thank me about saving him and let him live again

but that time, it looks like he realised that he's not real but just a sim

maybe he accepted the fate differently

[eternal radish]

And spoiler alert, we are in a sim too.

[dry summit]

yeah

looks like everything is someone named atlas created all of this thing

[muted moth]

except that someone created the atlas...

[lilac thistle]

Im assuming this is the place to ask this. If i reset the simulation and go to a new galaxy, can i warp back to my bases in my old galaxy

[eternal radish]

Off course!

[uncut harness]

hopefully this will be enough power for the towers of light.

[fallow lantern]

Not OP, but to follow up from OP's question: When you get to the galactic core, and it "restarts" the simulation/game...you lose all of the blueprints you had before, correct?

[heady wyvern]

Nothing. You're simply taken to the galaxy corresponding to your choice at the final interface. Nothing is lost - you can even return to Euclid by teleporting to the base you have there.

[fallow lantern]

Oh, fantastic

[dry summit]

I'm thinking do no man sky have a comic book

😇

[eternal radish]

It has one which was released at launch.

[eternal radish]

https://aminoapps.com/c/nmscafe/page/blog/adventures-of-no-mans-sky/nmn2_4NFLuMdLYlwR4BEkxov7vkWBrgVqa

https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Adventures_in_No_Man's_Sky

[dry summit]

🤔

so I'm just wonder shall we get a comic book about the story

aka spoiler

No Man's Sky: Spoiler

[west light]

and inside that book will be all the emote from sean

[eternal radish]

All emojis representing the updates for the coming year.

[dry summit]

when people being bad to me
me: hey, do you know the mighty 16?

[uncut harness]

😨

[eternal radish]

No one is mad at you 🙂

[dry summit]

maybe they are not bad, just dont wanna talk about something

[eternal radish]

I think people are just busy.

[dry summit]

it turns out that the mighty 16 can be a good torture device

[eternal radish]

How so?

[dry summit]

the gek who works for the map thing just dont wanna tell wats going on with the gek history

[dry summit]

they will just seizure and ugh

[eternal radish]

They will talk about it

[dry summit]

but they refuse to talk about it like "why you wanna know it? its not your business."

then me "oh so do you know wat is 16?"

the gek: "Ah shit disgusting sweet flavour"

[eternal radish]

Don't resist the sweet smell.

Embrace it.

[dry summit]

im fine with it like when i wanna vomit, i just stop it

[small pier]

Do we have any news or info on the next new expedition or update?

[muted moth]

three more expeditions will rerun

we know the psvr2 port will be available in feb at psvr2 release

and we know that the mac and piad versions will be available in 2023 (I presume in early 2023 but don't know, pushed back from "this year")

that's all we have

[small pier]

Well thats nice

Im glad they're doing the expedition reruns I missed Expedition 5

[muted moth]

it's going now, do it do it

[small pier]

[dry summit]

this game makes me so damn emotional

we have a nice anomaly station...... but...... we are not real, except you......
its pain and dangerous for us to talk about reality, but we know how to trust, friend. We trust that we can cry together and stay together, forever. No matter what kind of cost that will be. At last you're a friend!

Don't say goodbye my friend! Believe in the day we can meet again!

this shit makes me wanna stay in this game 😭

idk why

it makes me feel like they know they're just NPCs but still wonder what next

[eternal radish]

Where did you get this dialogue from? I don't remember it from the story.

[eternal radish]

Artemis 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[dry summit]

anomaly station > the gek besides the Korvax

[eternal radish]

Polo

[eternal radish]

Wait. I just remember this part again.

It's the conversation with Polo before you reset the Atlas.

[dry summit]

cuz im using trad chinese and i just translate it to eng by my own

[dry summit]

yes

[eternal radish]

It's been a while haha

[dry summit]

Polo is a fun dude after all, and emotional

[eternal radish]

But I'm glad you are enjoying the game and the storyline ❤️❤️❤️

The entire story made me emotional too the first times that I played it.

[dry summit]

idk

everything in the game when they know their fate

some of them think "hmmm, so wat"
some of them just sit and wait for the end

some say goodbye to their friend

and some just don't wanna let it be the end, and try to stop it

the -Nameless- somehow a sad dude

[late tusk]

i still want artemis's clothing available to players.

[dry summit]

I hope it can be exclusive only after beating the game

[dry summit]

yeah, the way that why it makes me so emotional is that every character is so realistic

and filled with emotion

[eternal radish]

True

When I just started playing this game I did not expect this depth

[dry summit]

Like when I put Artemis in the Sim, and Apollo knows it, Apollo just spook me out with his question "so you think it's a good option for him, right?" whatever

The option to let Artemis survive or not just hits me so hard

[dry summit]

As a warframe player that turn myself into this game, I shall dig through the plot

[eternal radish]

Yeah me too.

It's the throughest part

[dry summit]

thinking about death is somehow another way to start another way will be better for Artemis. but this is not good for Artemis as he wants to travel all around

but then, if I put him into the Sim, He's trapped in the Sim forever until we actually found the way to grab him back to live

but in the Sim, he can travel watever he want without trouble anymore

so on I put him to Sim, and when he called me, I just lie to him that he's good at all

without telling him that he's in the sim

but somehow, he knows it when we need to restart Atlas

he starts to think that he's in a sim, but he doesn't know he's in a sim's sim

😭

fucking interception shit

And with Apollo, he's not a good emotion user but a best friend with Artemis

[autumn seal]

i told told him the truth and now hes mad at me

[dry summit]

he cares Apollo after all

[dry summit]

oof, how so

haven't told Artemis the truth

[autumn seal]

He just always calls me and says "i need time to think about it"

[dry summit]

makes sense, as it's quite shocking

😔

[autumn seal]

Yeah

[dry summit]

Oh hi!
You're in a sim.
what?

something like that

😂

[autumn seal]

Is Apollo in like a different simulation to us

[dry summit]

maybe yes, maybe no.

😔

aa idk with it either

like when we go to the same spot, we still can't meet each other

[autumn seal]

Yea

[dry summit]

quite depressing with that result

after all those hard work, still can't meet

[eternal radish]

I wonder what happens if you put Artemis in the sim and lie to them and they find out by themselves that they are in a simulation. I have never gone that route myself because I'm not a monster. Lol

[dry summit]

I did that, and Artemis at the Atlas reset just thinking that he's in a simulation.

[dry summit]

I think when you told him he's in a sim, he mad.
when you lie on him, he'll recognize that he's in a sim but not mad

[late tusk]

i just let them die to get the story over with

i still want artemis's armor.

[eternal radish]

We NEED more character customisation options

[late tusk]

^

havent gotten any since origins?

origins was the uh

vykeen armor

[eternal radish]

No. It seems 😐

[late tusk]

and outlaws was capes

I DID suggest to HG about procedurally generated armor/clothing

so we will see lmao

[dry summit]

damnit

i should reset atlas

but i just think that, what if i dont

then bruh

oh wait nothing then, he said its an option for me to reset the whole galaxy

to get through the galactic core

[haughty fox]

Quick question: who is very well informed and knowledgeable about the lore and storylines of NMS in here? A need someone to consult

[uncut harness]

Quite a lot of people tbh.

The lore in NMS is fantastic.

[haughty fox]

Who would you recommend in particular?

Iteration Ayy gives me a good impression on that

[uncut harness]

Just ask away, you'll get answers.

Super friendly community here.

[mental socket]

Custom cape images would also be nice. Give us a draw or import tool

[dry summit]

so i birth a star and the Atlas path mission still here

is it normal?

[icy citrus]

Yes

It may vanish at some point, but will return if you stumble across another Atlas

[dry summit]

thx, im gonna make the remembrance

and i made it, whats next

im so confused with the remembrance

[icy citrus]

The remembrance allows you to view some lore, in the locked back rooms at space stations

It also gives +1 core health

[dry summit]

🫂

[muted moth]

@uncut harness green: lush. blue: empty. red: harsh. the other one: normal

the star colours are something else

that depends on what you want. each changes the odds of biomes in yellow star systems

empty = more dead worlds, lush = more lush biomes, harsh = more extreme worlds, normal = like euclid

[haughty fox]

The reason why I asked this is because I've been trying for the last two years to start writing fanfiction on NMS, but specifically, an AU (alternate universe). One where the space the Travellers explore are not a simulation, but a real physical universe populated by these civilizations

What do you people think is the best way to convert the Atlas' simulation into an actual galaxy (or multiple ones) under its influence?

[haughty fox]

Or maybe not even insert the Atlas in the first place? Or make it an AI security system which is supposed to prevent people from abusing the resources through the Sentinels, but it exaggerates because they're rogue?

[slow hatch]

How about the original universe, where the Atlas is still gathering data for the simulation, using Sentinels, and things are just starting to slide off the rails? Maybe the entire reason for the simulated universes is that the original was destroyed, and the Atlas is trying to recreate it in a way that ensures it doesn't happen again.

[haughty fox]

No, I'm going to remove the simulation part entirely

In my latest version of the AU, the "world of glass" is due to the galaxies actually being inside glass balls. It's a future Earth where scientists made micro-verses used as cores in power plants to fuel cities, like Rick Sanchez's car. The universes provide power through the energy of the lifeforms and the Atlas regulates them. But the system is decaying

However, no, I've grown to not like at all the idea of the galaxies being matrixes or artificial in any way

I want my NMS universe to be a naturally formed one, like the Star Wars far far away galaxy

While keeping the oppressive control of the Sentinels, the watchful eye of the Atlas gone crazy and the nightmare of the Abyss influencing all life through the water

How should I make it? 🤔

[heady wyvern]

I like the idea of the Atlas being a rogue defense system from an ancient spacefaring civ. A supercomputer intended to direct civilizations that came after the ones who made it, mayhaps.

[haughty fox]

As for the travelers, I like to imagine them as a species made to migrate whose DNA is so flexible every one of them looks unique to adapt to the planet they're born on. To explain why they all look so different

And the anomaly travelers? Shall I make them humans? My protagonist is supposed to be an astronaut girl called Evie

And she has a mentor traveler with the appearance of a classic grey alien, Odysseus

[inland quiver]

I believe that travelers aren’t actually 1 species. They are a bunch of different species from different universes.

They are just called “travelers” because they’re all not native to the universe we play in

[haughty fox]

Yes they are. Apollo says "we're the fourth species, the travelers"

[inland quiver]

Yeah that doesn’t mean they are all biologically the same species. I think that just means that they’re the 4th group

[haughty fox]

Or they're subspecies with a common ancestor

[inland quiver]

That wouldn’t really make sense either considering none of them look anything like eachother lol

I think apollo just says that they are the “4th species” since they don’t really have their own identity.

[haughty fox]

In the game they all look unique because each of them is the protagonist of its own iteration of the sim and they all meet because the iterations are merging together since everything is bugged, but I have to make them an actual species

[zinc bluff]

They all look unique because they choose to. Like you, they wear disguises. You can make yourself look like a Gek, but you are not. Eos is not really a cyborg shark.

[eternal radish]

Travellers are actually all fractions of one consciousness. They're more than just a race. I honestly think there are many sub races among them but they all derive from the same consciousness.

[haughty fox]

They are. Each of them is a fragment of the scanned mind of the Atlas' maker. The Atlas makes them hoping one of them will make it understand why it was made and abandoned

[eternal radish]

Atlas wanted to know what they would do with infinity

That too

[haughty fox]

Oh, another thing I remembered. In a physical version of No Man's Sky, there should be more civilizations

Null says that there were others besides Gek, Korvax and Vy'keen, but with each iteration there's one less civilization

[eternal radish]

It's like some sort of "survival of the fittest". I'd love to see an NMS with more races, though.

[haughty fox]

In the sim, it's not survival of the fittest. There are less and less civilizations because the Atlas is bugged

[eternal radish]

It wasn't really spwcified how all those civilisations went extinct 😐

[haughty fox]

They simply weren't generated anymore

The more the Atlas reset, the smaller the amount

[strong bluff]

Isn't it just that Sentinels wiped out majority of the civilisations?

And the rest of the surviving ones (at least Vy'keen) are at war with them?

[eternal radish]

I thought the First Spawn was responsible.

[eternal radish]

That happened in a parallel universe.

[late tusk]

i REALLY wish this was reflected in game. i never see Vy'keen actively killing sentinels

[strong bluff]

In fact, if you have Settlement with them, they run away from the Sentinels. And in the game Vy'Keen instead cooperate with Sentinels, as they protect their locked buildings and cargo.

Which is nonsense.

Unless Sentinels somehow managed to conquer all the manufacturing and other strategic buildings.

And cargoes.

And we get rep when doing the interaction right after blasting is is due freeing and restoring the production there.

[haughty fox]

They need to make a lore-focused update

One that conciliates gameplay and world building

[late tusk]

^^^

[strong bluff]

Oh and worse - if you attack Vy'keen trader, he calls Sentinel interceptors upon you.

Or if you kill a lunatic who attacks you just due an accidental friendly fire because he flown in front of you while you were shooting s or mining.

Then there is another crazy potential thing - sentinels literally teaming against you with pirates.

If you fight pirates above Sentinel building and accidentally hit a sentinel.

[haughty fox]

Ah well, back to the AU I want to write

Should I remove the fact that the Atlas has the power to erase and remake everything? It doesn't make much sense in a real universe

How would a machine cancel and remake a physical galaxy? It can't

[strong bluff]

It has army of Death stars and tech for causing big bang.

[late tusk]

they need to rework the pirate battles to. dont just assume i want to help the frigate. should be "either save or destroy the freighter"

[strong bluff]

Yep. Remember saying how we will be able to choose sides?

Yet we get automatically attacked by 🏴‍☠️ s when we fly near them during the frigate battle instead of joining them.

Then when we try landing on Outlaw station, they magically don't attack us there.

That's another nonsense.

In fact, when you talk with them and understand their language, they will tell you that they don't expect somebody as you being in such place.

Yet they don't attack you.

And they will even gift you items and learn you language.

Like the normal non-pirate NPCs.

[late tusk]

i want a pirate faction rep

doing those pirate missions should give me pirate rep.

instead of just nothing

[strong bluff]

Yep. And then 🏴‍☠️ s wouldn't attack player in non-pirate systems and would help player fight authorities there.

That's generally one thing this game needs - reputation overhaul.

As now the system is useless.

[late tusk]

i suggested that to HG as well lmao

npcs should also set bounties on us if we pirate there ships and attack traders

just something

i want consequence to being a space pirate

[haughty fox]

Uh, what?

[heady wyvern]

Translation: whoever created the Atlas in your real-universe NMS AU may have also given it a much larger array of physical weaponry than the in-game Atlas uses, making it a very powerful presence in the universe.

The ease at which AU-Atlas can undo and redo galaxies may be greatly diminished, but it may be possible with Sufficiently Advanced Technology.

[haughty fox]

Huh... you reminded me of the weird thing they did in Captain Harlock, the theory of time nodes or whatever.

Basically every Atlas station is located in focal points and are set up to explode on command, and if they go off together, they make a big bang

When the Atlas feel like things are too wrong from what he sees through the Sentinels, it picks a traveler to lead to it and ask them to do the reset. So it goes rampant, turns Telamon into a survival AI and sends it to the "anomaly traveler"

What do you think?

[heady wyvern]

Seems like good ideas. Then again, this sort of thing isn't my forte... much as I want it to be.

[haughty fox]

How shall I treat humans and the presence of them? Should I make them be just casually there like in Star Wars?

[heady wyvern]

Technically speaking, they don't have to actively exist in your universe. If it does bother you, I suggest this: the only confirmed humans in NMS lore are the Atlas's creators. If we're doing the whole "defense system built by a precursor civilization" deal, that would logically mean that humanity is more-or-less extinct.

Then again, a spacefaring civilization going entirely extinct after settling almost every corner of the known universe? Bit of a stretch.

[haughty fox]

And if the humans present in the galaxy come from the past?

Telamon mentions people come from the past in its logs. Perhaps the Atlas had someone cause the big bang at some point, a group of people fled from their fate by going to the future and voilà.

Now they're a rare species scattered around, whose children live the lifestyle of the travelers

What if that someone was Null? He made himself immortal to explore everything and did the reset when the Atlas showed him there was more. Maybe he's behind everything

And now he wants to stop the anomaly traveler from reaching the Atlas because he fears another reset that will kill him

[eternal radish]

Plot hole. This has never made sense for Vy'Keen. Those manufacturing facilities should be Sentinel run, just like the pillars.

[haughty fox]

What do the Sentinels even manufacture? Is that how they build their companions?

[eternal radish]

Idk

They must be built somewhere

[heady wyvern]

Up to now, the consensus was that they are formed in a space outside space. They just exist, being a physical representation of the simulation's diagnostic systems.

A system, of course, that went haywire. Like everything else here.

[eternal radish]

World of Glass?

[heady wyvern]

I'm not sure about that. I personally subscribe to the idea that the WoG is an afterlife of sorts - a place where dead/unmade things are stored so they can still be referenced in the rest of the simulation.

[haughty fox]

Finally a definition of that dimension that makes sense

Perhaps in my AU the "world of glass" could be the digital memory of the Atlas, recording all it sees to preserve it

[haughty fox]

Any opinion of this idea?

[haughty fox]

Also, why did Nada and Polo decide to become partners to build the space anomaly and give travelers a gathering hub?

I get that Nada is a persona non grata amongst the Korvax because it's divergent, but Polo?

[dry summit]

I've just thinking

who made Atlas and why we are here

[muted moth]

Polo doesn't act like a proper gek, trade and commerce first etc

[dry summit]

so it turns out Polo is one of the anomaly

😇

[eternal radish]

Someone unknown.

[dry summit]

so I can make a story of the origin of Atlas 💀

fanfiction I think

[heady wyvern]

Our closest clue would probably be somewhere in the Waking Titan ARG, but its canonicity is uncertain. All we can assume is that it was made by some group of humans as a supercomputer made to simulate an entire galaxy - the galaxy in which you play.

As for why we, the players, are here, I've no clue.

[eternal radish]

I wonder if the human made Atlas is the only Atlas or that Aliens created an Atlas too. I saw someone's fan theory regarding this ARG and it mentions that our universe is just another layer of the simulation and most likely has an Atlas of it's own and that humans in the ARG basically came to build the Atlas because the Atlas is a universal constant and it basically manifested itself in our layer of the simulation through humans (and I assume alien civisations too) building the Atlas.

I also remember lore (I think from the Boundary Failures) mentioning that Korvax Prime, Balaron and the Vy'Keen homeworld (forgot the name) also had an Atlas of themselves.

For an Explorer's Guild mission I had to scan minerals for a Vy'Keen who wanted to build a simulation of a universe.

[dry summit]

I have a simple story about Atlas origin lol.
Atlas not here now, but there's a father and a daughter. the father is a scientist and working for project ATLAS, and his daughter is a teenager but she hates her father being too much caring for her and she loves astronomy and somehow she drew her own galaxy for her lorehead and astronomy interest.
One day, the daughter is dying because of cancer and his father wants to let her be alive.
And he realized that project ATLAS may save his daughter as he can put her daughter inside the device, and she can live whatever she wanna be by just simply creating her own reality inside of project ATLAS.
And so, he does at the midnight when no one is here in the lab, his daughter is now inside of ATLAS. He booted ATLAS to let the code run through hir daughter and to see if it works.
And it works, his daughter shows up on the monitor and she smiles to the father. But after.
"Thank you, daddy. But I want to do my stuff by myself without your help anymore. I know that you love me, but you know, you need to let go of me sometimes. And now, let it be."
She said, and her body morphs into a red orb. project ATLAS is being override by her mind and her father can't do anything with the situation. He yelled at her to stop it but an unknown language has been spoken towards him, it's the response from his daughter.
Later the override, The monitor turns into nothing but a black screen. All the sudden, a big explosion shows up. It's the big bang and it forms in to gases, masses, stars, rocks, planets, creatures, sentient beings. All of them are inside his daughter's diary that he mocked at her creativity is not a thing at all. And now, there's the Gek, Korvas, and Vy'keen. Flying all over the sky with their own space ships.
And his daughter is no more, she's ATLAS now.

[haughty fox]

You remember well, they imply it's all a who-knows-how-big Russian doll of simulations

[haughty fox]

Let's assume I want to make the Abyss the ultimate behind the scenes villain of my No Man's Sky physical galaxy, the masterplanning threat everyone is unaware of until it's too late

What is it, exactly? Where does it come from? And why has it poured nanites in all the water in the universe to contaminate every single lifeform?

Is it the mind of the Sentinels or something? Is it part of the Atlas or is it an autonomous entity?

[dry summit]

i can turn a weapon industry to a lightbulb industry

[serene seal]

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE TRAVVELLERS WHY ARE THEY

sorry caps

why are they hollo

[eternal radish]

Many of the Travellers you meet at space stations are already dead.

[serene seal]

found no single one

alive execpt the nexus or anaomly

[eternal radish]

Although sometimes they direct you to the grave of another Traveller

[eternal radish]

According to the lore the Anomaly is the only place Travellers can meet physically because it sort of exists outside of the Atlas. Outside of the Anomaly Travellers are holograms to eachother. Each living in their own bubble/universe.

[serene seal]

hm

is artemis a traveller

[sonic path]

The Anomaly is the hard drive and the everywhere is else is in the RAM.

[heady wyvern]

Yes.

[serene seal]

damn no wonder he holographic

[heady wyvern]

Which is why you never physically met them.

[serene seal]

am tired of him calling me in everysave

[haughty fox]

How can multiplayer be justified, then?

Is it non canon to the world-building?

[eternal radish]

That's a plot hole, actually. There was no multiplayer when the story was added.

It needs to be updated though

I have thought about that myself

[haughty fox]

What can you tell me about this?

[heady wyvern]

I believe they tried to justify it as the barrier between universes thinning as the Atlas falls apart. First, travelers started seeing each other; then certain travelers started being able to touch each other.

[kindred sierra]

so the traveller race is just all the other anomolies that came before you

or is the anomoly race just a new person to join the travellers

[haughty fox]

Every traveler is unique and alone in its native iteration of the sim, and they happen to meet because of the partial and gradual merging of iterations. They're all a fragment of the Atlas' maker scanned mind

[charred chasm]

so I'm curious; are the living ships related to the infected planets in any way? and what about the biological horrors and worms?

[kindred sierra]

the living ships are something you create with ancient technology and biology and science. completely unique.

the space whales are just space whales.

[muted moth]

I expect there is some connection, given how the native plants of infested biomes have a living-ship-eqsue appearance

[haughty fox]

Living ships were an experiment by the ancient Korvax to create life. Perhaps they mixed these plants with their convergence cubes and other stuff to make the single organs

[muted moth]

hard to know until/unless the lore tells us, but we can always speculate

[haughty fox]

That's what's written in the ruin logs of the living ship quest

[muted moth]

the part abot the Korvax involvement, yep. the rest about which organic materials were used, that's left for us to fill in

[icy shale]

HELP! what fate do i choose for artemis?

[icy citrus]

Whichever feels right

[icy shale]

will it affect future gameplay?

nevermind i already choosed

[icy citrus]

It doesn't

Bit different dialogue

[muted moth]

or... whichever feels less bad, really 😄

[haughty fox]

I put him in the sim. He wanted to explore planets? Let's give him just that. One stystem, but still...

Ooooooh, my name finally changed color!

[icy citrus]

I let them go

[muted moth]

I put them in the sim every time but one, the last time I let them die and wow I felt even worse, all day long. not doing that again 😄

"it's just a game" 😄

[eternal radish]

I'm NEVER killing them off 😭😭😭😭😭

I think it's crazy how you can cry over fictional characters 🥲

[muted moth]

yep it sure is amazing the impact this somewhat disjointed lore can have

[icy shale]

i am really confused, i refused to reset the simulation but what if i did reset it, what would happen, and if i live in the original will there be bugs and glitches as it was mentioned, did i even made the right choice? HELP!

[late tusk]

Each no mans sky update is just the Atlas trying to continue to expand the simulation change my mind

[icy shale]

thank you, you've made me even more confused

[late tusk]

:) good

[icy shale]

;-;

[subtle gorge]

a lot of features are loosely canonized as the atlas failing, chief among them being multiplayer

[late tusk]

pog

[subtle gorge]

I think the height of this is Visions even if that update isn't the most loved. Having anomalous biomes gradually develop a proper ecology as they "become more real" despite the fact they aren't supposed to exist is a nice little flavor win ;w; (this isn't to say the update was good just that it was conceptually flavorful)

[heady wyvern]

The reset really has no long term consequence, whether you do it or not. If you refuse, you simply remain in the Euclid galaxy, same as it was before. If you accept, you get your pick of the four galaxy types to go to, with the ability to establish two way travel from there and back using bases.

[icy shale]

Ah i see, i choose the 4galaxy

And yes i can travel to Euclid galaxy by portals

Nice

But nada and polo doesn't remember me now 😦

[pallid depot]

which makes me wonder, so living frigates do exist and living ships are manmade which im assuming to meant to imitate a space whale but why cant we build a space whale

and is the void egg an actual egg? if so, cant we like literally grow it into a full one creature

ahhhhhh man they should let us turn void eggs into mini space whale pets jesus

[merry hemlock]

Why are sentinels everywhere

[haughty fox]

Because they're meant to stop people from consuming too much the resources of planets

[merry hemlock]

But like where do they come from

[heady wyvern]

To our understanding, the Sentinels are yet another rogue part of the Atlas's systems, making them something that is coded into reality itself

They're everywhere because they have the backdoors into every part of the universe... except, of course, the Anomaly, which exists in a sort of existential blind spot.

[merry hemlock]

So they’re just rogue communist robots that can go anywhere in the universe

[merry hemlock]

Wait atlas systems

[heady wyvern]

More like a rogue diagnostics and repair program that has a very generous definition of "a problem."

[merry hemlock]

I feel like there’s more to them we Arnt looking

At

[heady wyvern]

That's just what I understand.

[merry hemlock]

Oh

Ehh seems like one big mystery in one big game

How there all connected to each other and where they are made from

[heady wyvern]

As far as I know, they're just another symptom of the Atlas's slow demise

[heady wyvern]

My running theory for that: The World of Glass

[merry hemlock]

Still I have a feeling that in one of the systems there has to be a factory

Which is still under atlas control

[merry hemlock]

World of glass?

[heady wyvern]

As far as I'm aware, the World of Glass is a sort of afterlife for anything that is killed or unmade in the Atlas Simulation. My thinking is that the World of Glass exists so that the idea of a creature of object can continue existing in the simulation.

My theory also posits that this is where the sentinels are... "housed," for lack of a better term.

[merry hemlock]

If that theory is somewhat true there will have to be an entrance to that world of glass in all the systems you find sentinels

[heady wyvern]

Then again, I'm dancing around the idea that Sentinels are something that Just Exist because the Atlas's programming says they should

[merry hemlock]

Hmm atlas

Atlas systems are another hugeee thing I don’t know

Or have the brain cells to understand

[whole palm]

this game is dark

I feel like the sentinels were once people of any alien race

[haughty fox]

No, they're not

They're a security system that gained sentience and got devious

[eternal radish]

The Atlas created them and then basically abandoned them. Gave them no orders so they went rogue.

[haughty fox]

Right, it's in their logs

[eternal radish]

From the day we gained flesh, though metal it was, we failed

[eternal radish]

Hey, you're familiar role now. You can post pictures in #no-mans-sky channel now and have access to the meme channel. Yay!

[haughty fox]

Eh, not going to do that

I'm only interested in figuring out this mind-knotting lore

[eternal radish]

I wonder if individual Sentinels are sentient or if they are more like the "limbs" of a larger "entity" (the Hive).

Laylaps seems sentient to me but they have been tampered with.

[haughty fox]

I guess they're a hive, and our blue drone from a Trace of Metal is the first individual Sentinel

[eternal radish]

So you think the Hive is sentient but individual Sentinel drones aren't?

[haughty fox]

Yes

They all think the same thing together

[eternal radish]

I honestly think so too

[haughty fox]

They're too coordinated to be autonomous

[eternal radish]

Korvax are more individualistic. They share a collective mind but unlike Sentinels Korvax are self aware. They can even rebel or break away from the Convergence.

I think a Sentinel isn't any more self aware than a robotic vacuum cleaner.

[haughty fox]

Indeed

That's why Leylaps is so joyful when we give it freedom from the hive

[muted moth]

sentinels are dumber than storm troopers and that's saying something

[eternal radish]

Apparently they weren't always that dumb since they destroyed all life in a parallel universe and destroyed entire cities.

I guess due to the Atlas malfunctioning the Sentinels became dumber.

[muted moth]

that doesn't mean they were tactically smarter, they might just have been able to spawn in huge numbers then. some people speculate that the occasional appearance of a thousand of them at a time at settlements is a glitch left over from that era

[eternal radish]

I have never seen that happen in my settlement

[fervent heron]

So APPARENTLY, if I'm interpreting the Artemis story correctly, the entire universe is a simulation and it's gonna brick in 16 minutes?

[eternal radish]

Yup

That's a very brief summary of the plot.

[fervent heron]

Oh my

[eternal radish]

But those 16 "minutes" are basically an eternity

[fervent heron]

But why does it exist, the sim? Unless that's explained somewhere

[muted moth]

that's because you did not go try to deal with sentinel alert level at the settlement in a multiplayer session!

[eternal radish]

Get an Atlas V3 pass so you can access the backrooms of space stations and small settlements where you can access the rogue data.

[eternal radish]

I kinda want to do that but I don't want my civilians to suffer lol

[chrome gate]

Nahhhh wtf it went from fun travelling through universe and planets and discovering shit to the universe isnt real its made up like im having a fr existential breakdown

[uncut harness]

Lmao

NMS do be like that.

[chrome gate]

ok

what

are the

side effects\

[muted moth]

if you reset, you will be given the chance to choose one of four galaxy types; upon your arrival, all installed tech in ship, multitool and suit will be broken

you can package up all nonvital tech ahead of time to protect it

[chrome gate]

i can repair it all right i wont lose anything right

[muted moth]

if you don't reset, you'll need to find other ways to go to another galaxy later. there are other ways however

no you don't lose anything, correct

and if you put a base down in the new location (and I am presuming you have bases in euclid) you'll be able to go back and forth as you choose

[chrome gate]

ok

so no MAJOR side effects

just troubles here and there

ima reset

but

[unborn bough]

Question: is this the end of the Artemis path or the beginning of the Atlas path?

I have the sneaking suspicion you’ve just begun the atlas path and the options there will not generate a galaxy, they will tell you how you cannot reject atlas and how you can only move forward with whatever atlas has to offer.

[chrome gate]

nms really got me thinking ab life rn

[muted moth]

if the choice is about reset, it's the end of the artemis path

[unborn bough]

Reset atlas… refuse atlas… hmm!

[chrome gate]

ok

there are 4 balld

balls

blue white green red

[muted moth]

red: harsh galaxy, green: lush, blue: empty, the other one: normal (like euclid)

[chrome gate]

assuming green is lush and red is aggressive what is white and blue

[muted moth]

these affect the probability of biomes found around yellow stars.

[chrome gate]

yea ik

[muted moth]

all righty, you should be all set to decide then!

[chrome gate]

nahhhh im crying fr

[muted moth]

🙂 🙂

it's a heck of a backstory in this game eh

[unborn bough]

The choice of Artemis’ fate.

🥺

The final realization, and talking to Nada-Polo after that…

Yeah!

The game hits morally.

[muted moth]

yeah

no good choices, we got that

[unborn bough]

Yeah

[haughty fox]

Did they do that in one or in multiple past iterations?

[hexed geyser]

The scientist is a tragedy. Is there really no way to save it?

[haughty fox]

No

[muted moth]

we're told of one; I imagine it's rather more than that

[unborn bough]

Sentinel aren’t self aware? I differ from this observation.

The entire story of LayLaps is a hint on the self-awareness of the Aerons.

The way they are linked through the ancient portals

The concept of laylines…

And the fact that they can be corrupted.

[haughty fox]

Even if they are, they clearly can't disobey their collective will and directives

[merry hemlock]

What’s the lore behind the atlas system like who created it or what it’s purpose was

[eternal radish]

Go read the rogue data in the backrooms of buildings and space stations. You need to have remembrance installed and you need an Atlas V3 pass to access these rooms.

[merry hemlock]

Zzz atlas pass v3

[uncut harness]

Also read Waking Titan lore.

[merry hemlock]

Thought there was only 1 version

[muted moth]

also read the boundary failure lore

[eternal radish]

What it all boils down to is: Read

[merry hemlock]

K read read read

[eternal radish]

Seek the final interface

It's most rewarding

You know that there is a problem with the Atlas, right?

Seeking the final interface is supposed to fix that

Although it's much more complicated than that but I don't want to spoil too much

That's unravelling all the lore and secrets of the Atlas

It's an endless quest

If you want to. I would, tho.

It kinda completes the story

You just continue exploring the galaxy. Not sure. I never picked that one, though.

I guess it's very literal

There are MUCH more

256

Have fun

Okay

[eternal radish]

Yes. Pack all your upgrades before finishing the quest and pick a ship and multi-tool you don't mind breaking.

[sonic dagger]

Wait, I thought the 'problem' with the Atlas still existed, even after the Final Interface quest

Based on those Boundary nodes, The 'problem' seems to not be able to be resolved from the inside

[eternal radish]

Yup

[eternal radish]

But I don't want to spoil big things of the plot for new players.

That's why I left a lot of info out. I think you really have to experience the storyline for yourself.

[sonic dagger]

Absolutely

[muted moth]

yes I think that it's pretty clear the 16 minutes (= an infinite amount of gametime) is still an issue

it's even said that the atlas has been reset a bunch of times in the past and fixed nothing

[dark hill]

i mean

isnt going through the galactic core entering a different atlas iteration

but because of the reality glitching time is meaningless

so all iterations exist in parallel, although their timeline is a linear one, with a beginning and an end

kind of like

bundling up a string

[muted moth]

time is kinda messed up in the game, for sure

[muted moth]

remember the overseer having a contract for work with you signed by the offspring you don't have yet?

[dark hill]

very hd diagram, i know

but here

each zenith and nadir of the u and ns respectively would be the end of the 16 minutes

when the string is presented as a line, we are shown a normal linear timeline

but like this

all moments exist simultaneously

it is basically the very concept of the temporal philosophy of eternalism

[dark hill]

i am not 100% sure he wasnt just trying to trick you into getting a job by using chemical warfare

[muted moth]

eh you would just feel like it is destined to happen and feel really good about it too, we've seen that at work 😄

[dark hill]

it is destined to happen, in a way

because you are bound to do the quest eventually

again going back to the idea of non-linear, predetermined time

thoughts are fake, you dont have free-will, buy gold

[unborn bough]

@crystal shore so you’re at the purge. What is the game asking you to do?

[crystal shore]

it just keeps resetting

idk

and yes pruge

[unborn bough]

You’ve chosen the galaxy, or does it tell you to get the glyphs…

[crystal shore]

it just like i reset it and it all went white i reloaded into game with my ship messed up and i fixed it and then i didnt know what to do

then i downloaded star citizen and now im hooked on that

[unborn bough]

You have completed the tutorial… now the game is free to explore.

Every core jump will do that to your technology

[crystal shore]

thats the tutorial???

[unborn bough]

Yup

[crystal shore]

dafuq

so what can i do?

just explore

[unborn bough]

Everything and anything in the game, yes… there are other side stories you can play, or explore, or build, or find bugs and glitches, anything

[crystal shore]

jesus lol mans said find bugs and glitches like is that actually what people turn to? lol

[unborn bough]

There are 255 galaxies… jump through all of them one by one.

[crystal shore]

go to NMSLFG1

i can tlol

[unborn bough]

Yup! There are bugs in game, and base decor collectibles called glitches :3

Bugs like beetles, worms etc xD

I did mean literally find bugs and glitches

[crystal shore]

you got SC?

[unborn bough]

Yup’

But that is a topic for #other-games

[dark hill]

wait

there is a problem

[unborn bough]

What is?

[dark hill]

we are not presented the galactical reset timeline this way

but

this way

its a timeloop!

[unborn bough]

Wasn’t a part of the initial conversation, so won’t jump in… 😅

[dark hill]

odyalutai leads to euclid

you're free to do so, haha

[unborn bough]

I believe time flows linear in NMS as it is supposed to (according to our understanding of time), but the universe itself is a giant loop. All of the galaxies are connected via core, all of them existing in their own time capsule, all of them sharing adjacency bonus.

[dark hill]

so you're talking about presentism?

[unborn bough]

I am unfamiliar with the concept. Could you please elaborate it a little?

[dark hill]

well, there's presentism

the basic temporal philosophy

that only the present is real

and that time flows linearly

[unborn bough]

Oh, I see.

On that note, yea.

[dark hill]

the past was the future will be but only the present is

eternalism tells us thats wrong

and its a way to escape the "prison" of linear time

all points in time are real

they all exist simultaneously

[unborn bough]

But there’s the concept of simulation

And the fact that Atlas itself is stuck in that simulation. It can never die, regardless of what we choose. It wants to die but it doesn’t want to die either. It has all but 16 minute and those 16 minutes are within the limits of when we first open our eyes to when we reset.

We can only reset the universe once, that is how we come to know about the fact that it’s a simulation… but for Atlas and the rest of the universe it’s a repeating process. Like a loop.

[dark hill]

oh my god its a program stuck in an endless code loop

[unborn bough]

Yup

[dark hill]

wait wait

[unborn bough]

Just like the fate of Artemis

If we choose to let them live in the machine.

[dark hill]

the past is both the future and the present

[unborn bough]

It is.

[dark hill]

because its a closed system going from one end to the other

[unborn bough]

But only to us and for the Atlas

We are the only two entities who truly know, as it is found within the dialogue we have with Nada and Polo.

They become aware of the simulation and they know it is going to be reset. They bid farewell

And they say we will meet again

But they choose to ignore this information in their new form by simply saying “we don’t talk about that”.

[unborn bough]

Yup

[dark hill]

a very simplified version of this is that the atlas is given 2 commands:
oversee one of the given 255 universes, and go to the next universe

you can create a similar situation if you run a program like
x=1;
(while x>0){ cout>>x;
if (x<=255){x++;}
else x=1; }

[unborn bough]

Not the next universe. No.

Atlas has to stay within the same universe.

Because we don’t reset the galaxy, we reset the universe

That’s the purge.

We kill our galaxy (technically) and give birth to a new one.

[dark hill]

no, i believe the galaxy IS the universe

[unborn bough]

Out of a said choice

[dark hill]

its an universe made of one galaxy

next galaxy is a new universal iteration

[unborn bough]

Nope! The galaxy is not the universe, if that was the case we would be choosing the “universe” instead of a type of “galaxy”.

[dark hill]

going through the core means going to see the next number

[unborn bough]

Yes

[dark hill]

well you get to choose the type of galaxy

because its a galaxy

i dont think the average player knows just how big the galaxy is

[unborn bough]

The next iteration of the galaxy. Is it an ancient galaxy, or a lush galaxy, or a frozen hell, or a similar one to your own?

[dark hill]

the milky way is 52k ly

[unborn bough]

The universe is a collection of all of the 255 galaxies in NMS.

I like to believe

[dark hill]

thats where i disagree

but i dont think there's any way to prove either theory just yet

[unborn bough]

I don’t deny the disagreement.

It is a different perspective than my own, and I am more willing to look at things from a different POV than sticking desperately to my own 😅

[dark hill]

there should be 2 distinct theories for this game

that are based on these 2 basic arguments

there's one universe, there's more than one universe

[unborn bough]

In the gist, this is most possibly the command at the backend.

True, true. But coming back to the concept of time in the game I like to believe it is linear.

Even if everything is reset, time flows in the same direction

We don’t roll back the events, we just reset them…

[dark hill]

counterpoint!

all of our iterations coexist at once

in other words

i talk to you

maybe ive just started playing

but you have finished the story

we exist at two different, distinct points in time

but both are real

[unborn bough]

Yes, correct, and it still doesn’t refute my argument.

[dark hill]

no, like

that is the very concept of eternalism

which would mean that time is nonlinear

i am able to accept a secondary explanation however

that which i was saying originally

time is linear

a single line

that is bent out of shape

curled up and bundled

making different points touch together

[unborn bough]

There are different points in time. Every iteration is experiencing the story and the state of the game in their own pocket. These pockets bump with each other, making it possible for the player iterations to interact and exist in the same temporal existence. The player-entities thus become being temporally transcendental. It doesn’t prove time itself is looped.

[dark hill]

time doesnt have to be looped, that is a whole different conversation

this was moreso just
"linear or not?"

both have good explanations, but i personally see it more likely to be nonlinear

for the
"is this a TIME loop or just a car driving in a roundabout (space loop???)"
conversation, there's a whole different set of arguments

[unborn bough]

I was referring to the diagram you had shared earlier…

[unborn bough]

This

[unborn bough]

It is an interesting point of view. Food for thought I’ll say.

Anyway, thanks for an interesting conversation friend-entity @dark hill, it was rather pleasant to divulge from the regular forms of chat in the server. 🙂

[dark hill]

^^

on the timeloop front, if anyone's interested, i think youd have to talk about how other travellers (not players) jumped through cores, and in galaxies/universes that dont seem to be present

in other words

when we go through galaxies, at some point we would/would not (severed from the loop?) reach null's origin galaxy. if we do, is past-null there and doing their stuff? yes=timeloop no=linear time that is muddled

[late tusk]

so you are saying there is a chance

irl.

[unborn bough]

A chance of what?

[late tusk]

OH

you mean in game universe

[unborn bough]

Of a multiverse?

[late tusk]

😭

[unborn bough]

Yep. 😆

[late tusk]

i thought you meant irl

all though...

[unborn bough]

This is nms-spoilers not irl-spoilers hehehehe.

[late tusk]

maybe we haven't discovered a galaxy other than milky way because no one completed the main quest yet and have just been building for thousands of years

XD

[unborn bough]

LMFAO 😆

We have discovered million if not billions of galaxies 😆

But I like this idea. We’ve been so busy base building it never occurred to us to look up and think what’s out there 😆

[unborn bough]

If warp technology does become a reality it will be used to go past our own galaxy, for sure…

[merry estuary]

Friend-entity Mythos predicting the future here. Have the Korvax come so far to master this task already?

[charred quarry]

What happens if i seek the final interface, does it kill everyone yes / no?

/ can i do the other quests afterwards e.g atlas path

[icy citrus]

You can do the other stuff afterwards

[charred quarry]

Ty

Does it kill everyone yes / no?

E.g nada and apollo

Id assume no?

[lean echo]

Are you talking about the new beginnings main quest line?

[charred quarry]

The one where atlas asks us to seek the final interface cus it has 16 minutes before it resets

[lean echo]

||Where you are talking to null and Apollo a lot in the end and you have to choose to either reset or leave the galaxy?||

[charred quarry]

Pribrably

*probrably

[lean echo]

I literally just did that today

[charred quarry]

Are there negative affects

[lean echo]

I chose the 1 where everyone lived so I can’t tell you but just create a save point and do the 1 you want

[charred quarry]

Yeah the purge, reset the simulation

[lean echo]

And if you don’t like it then reload the save and choose a new path

[charred quarry]

Ok

[unborn bough]

As friend-entity Gleam has mentioned earlier, you can continue other stuff after seeking the final interface, traveler-entity Barry. What happens when you do is something for you to experience (to avoid ruining the fun of the story ending). You’ll be greeted by a surprise 🙂

[lean echo]

||The surprise that actually the world we are in is actually a simulation||

[unborn bough]

🙂

[charred quarry]

Well ima race apollo to the centre :)

[unborn bough]

God speed

[charred quarry]

This is it boys at the final portal now

[solar cairn]

The real question is... || Did we break the cycle if you allowed Artemis to die, or continue having her live in a simulation||

Then that brings new questions.... Who put us in

[slow hatch]

Also: Who created the Atlas?

[lean echo]

||or hear me out. What if in no man’s sky we have died and we are in a simulation which within a simulation||

[solar cairn]

Nobody really knows, not to my knowledge. Just that it was created by an outside group of aliens that died to a black hole slowly consuming the world

[lean echo]

Now if we said this to Christianity in the 1600s we would be burned

[slow hatch]

Science and Christianity have the same question: Who created the creator?

[solar cairn]

||AND who was the asshole who couldn't let go and have us die peacefully... There were two being in that interaction, and only one could consent||

[lean echo]

A higher level civilization

[slow hatch]

And them? And theirs? And...

[lean echo]

Since matter can be created nor destroyed

[solar cairn]

||But to compound on this... Are we gen 1 created by Atlas, or another Artemis in a simulation... They were also an anomaly that lived long enough to see the stars change... Just like all these content updates for us||

[solar cairn]

*energy

[slow hatch]

All good questions. we may get answers, eventually.

[solar cairn]

I honestly hope we dont

[slow hatch]

Answers often lead to new questions.

[solar cairn]

Ambiguity and the brain loves to fill in detail where none exists

[lean echo]

Real spoiler for main quest

[solar cairn]

I just personally find that more fun. Since nothing is defined, it's all plausable

Oh shi. You right. Lemme add them bars

[lean echo]

||If you do the quest line for the purge you find some of this stuff out. But the atlas has simulated multiple universes so we are unsure how many have actually been reset||

XD you saw me instantly delete that text XD

[slow hatch]

Dudes, it's the spoilers channel. You're cool without them.

[solar cairn]

True

[slow hatch]

It's in the rules pinned for the channel.

[solar cairn]

Let's keep in mind, there are also multiple "Atlases" (we know this from the big cube rooms you can sometimes find that you learn was Atlas running itself in a separate computer to hopefully get answers)

[lean echo]

Fun fact are eyes actually are in lines but our brains just fill in those lines. That’s why we can’t follow a stationary surface without our eyes skipping places

[slow hatch]

Also, we see the past, because light travels faster than we can interpret it.

[solar cairn]

And we know that the real Atlas is slowly being corrupted by a black hole in wherever it was made. Abandoned by it's creators

[lean echo]

Just being nice

[lean echo]

Well it’s been being destroyed for years in nms time

[solar cairn]

Somehow our brains also know when it wants to do something before we do, because some scientists poked a dead brain with electrodes, and there was a delay before the muscles responded.

[slow hatch]

I know, and that's cool. But I thought you might like a break from spoiler tagging.

[solar cairn]

Is that in sim years, or "real" years

[lean echo]

What’s the difference?

[solar cairn]

16 could just be the seconds it has before it gets destroyed.

[lean echo]

Bc we can’t determine what’s real or simulated

[solar cairn]

Exactly! That's what I love about it

[lean echo]

What if the last galaxy is the “real” galaxy and everything else is a sim

[solar cairn]

Even then Galaxy 255 if you jump it. Sends you back to Euclid

[lean echo]

Or what about those 2 delete galaxies?

[solar cairn]

Good ole lore reasons for the gameplay loop

[lean echo]

What if those where the “real” galaxies and the atlas doesn’t want use to get out and that’s why we can’t access them anymore

[slow hatch]

I have to say, you both raise some really interesting points.

[lean echo]

But who knows it’s just a theory…

A GAME THEORY

[solar cairn]

Or those parts got destroyed or corrupted beyond repair when the real Atlas just slowly deteriorating as the black hole eats it

[lean echo]

Also valid

[solar cairn]

That's also another thing the Atlas tried to maintain. Was not to have it's simulations spilled into one another. That's my gress as to why the sentinels purge whole worlds (those Glitch worlds)

And universes

Like a virus containment. Or defragment system. Just slowly turning like a rogue antivirus

[lean echo]

Ooo yeah and the reason why the sentinels attack you is because “travelers” are the glitch’s in the world and aren’t supposed to be there

[solar cairn]

Right!

The more the Sims degrade (us meeting in multiplayer) the stronger the containment responses have to be (the sentinel update).

Though them becoming sentient away from Atlas still tricks me. I couldn't find a solid answer for that

[lean echo]

Well they are still machine and it’s in there code to fix “glitches”

Though actually nvm

The sentinels are alive

[solar cairn]

It's not every planet, and some planets have higher responses and observation than others. That part tricks me to no end

[lean echo]

Since I’m the purge quest it says that sentinels are made from nanites

[solar cairn]

So are Korvax

[lean echo]

And nanites are what? Alive

[solar cairn]

I don't know...

[lean echo]

Sentinels are transformers

Comfirmed

[solar cairn]

And apparently if it is pure nanites or sentinel foam (or glass?) They have different properties?

[lean echo]

Um I would think

Since when you kill a sentinel you get 3 drops

[solar cairn]

Or pure nanites are like blood (robot fauna also drops nanites) and sentinel nanites are... Corrupted or different?

[lean echo]

1 is ammo, 2 is purple goo (forgot the name),

And the 3rd item is salvaged glass

[lean echo]

I’m going to say different otherwise they would destroy each other for being glitched

[solar cairn]

I mean... The sentinels have purged all life before, I don't think that excludes Korvax

Speaking of nanites tho... What makes tainted metal tainted???? Is it the nanites??? Can they corrupt things?

[lean echo]

Oh no they purged a whole galaxy with only 2 survivors

And I guess 1 of the survivors was a korvax so it checks out

[solar cairn]

So. Many. Questions.

[lean echo]

Corrupt metal

It’s metal that has leaked from other simulations that’s why you can only get it from destroyed freighters

[solar cairn]

But refining it gives you nanites

And ALOT of it

[lean echo]

Um then idk

Maybe it’s metal from sentinels from that simulation that leaked through

[solar cairn]

I genuinely have no idea

[lean echo]

There’s 1000 theories to what it could be in lore

But all we know is

[solar cairn]

We need a NMS content creator for that one. "What ARE nanites?"

[lean echo]

That it’s used as a black market currency

Entities

[solar cairn]

Oh and it's banned by the space police

[lean echo]

Exactly

[solar cairn]

What if it is glitched code?

[lean echo]

So we can confirm is a glitch metal

[solar cairn]

Like nanites themselves are like injectible scripts

[lean echo]

Mm I wouldn’t use the word injectable

Infectious would be a better fit

[solar cairn]

But that doesn't make sense... Ok, what if it's utilized simulation code

Because it's a legit currency, you can buy gear upgrades with it

[lean echo]

Because the first spawn gek empire was destroyed by rebeling korvaxians

[lean echo]

Illegal upgrades might I add

[solar cairn]

That leaked nanites into their spawning pools to literally genetically alter them

[slow hatch]

Spoiler: Nanites are the blood/flesh of the Korvax.

[lean echo]

And sentinels

[solar cairn]

Are the federal upgrades illegal?

Not like black market gear, but normal space station gear

[lean echo]

That’s legal

[solar cairn]

And robot fauna

[lean echo]

But X is illegal

And since you have to kill a sentinel to get it

[solar cairn]

Right, but both are bought with nanites. That we know can alter things

[lean echo]

The salvaged glass upgrades as well

[solar cairn]

And the sentinel foam alters them in a non predictable way

[slow hatch]

I've seen the theory floated, just today, that Korvax and Sentinels are basically the same, but Korvax have awareness.

[solar cairn]

I don't know if they are the same. One refers the other as a literal god

[lean echo]

My theory is that they made nanites a currency so that the atlas could get more nanites to try and repair or build more sentinels/ repair it’s self

[solar cairn]

Maybe made in similar manners? Do we really know how the sentinels are made?

[lean echo]

No some sentinels have awareness

[slow hatch]

There are the Atlas backrooms with what looks like Sentinel repair/study areas.

[lean echo]

We can craft 2

EXACTLY

[slow hatch]

Those might be repair bays...or someone is taking them apart to see how they tick.

[solar cairn]

True. Hmm, but how do they auto connect into the hive mind of sentienls

[solar cairn]

Like what -Null- did

[lean echo]

So the atlas runs EVERYTHING, the space stations, anomaly, trade posts. Just so they can get more nanites to repair and create more.

And the atlas keeps the illegal systems around to slowly get all the illegal or glitched items back into its hands or claws

[solar cairn]

Or more like.. run a series of commands to see the output

But gets faulty...

[lean echo]

Repair drones

[solar cairn]

Speaking of... If it can't remove glitches and some have broken containment, there is a possibility of an entire galaxy dedicated to glitch containment... Maybe that's what Euclid is

[lean echo]

That’s why it needs the nanites so it can try and get enough repair drones to fix its self in the “real” world

[lean echo]

Now remember there’s 2 deleted galaxies

Coincidence. I think not

[solar cairn]

Does nanites even effect it in the real world if it created it in the sim?

We know they can alter things already in simulation. But does that effect real repair?

[lean echo]

Can the portals travel between galaxies?

[solar cairn]

No...

[lean echo]

Hmm

[solar cairn]

I think those pirates used a portal to get to the center, then do a jump

But... Teleporters can go across galaxies if you or someone else made a base there

And the big teleporter in the anomaly can send you to places you haven't been, but other iterations have

And since we are... Technically teleported in the anomaly, I think it sits outside of the known simulation, but still is apart of it

Like each galaxy is a separate simulation sector ran

[lean echo]

WAIT WAIT WAIT -null- was in the same spot as us but wasn’t there

[solar cairn]

Right

[lean echo]

When he used the portal to get to our location

[solar cairn]

But if he was in a different galaxy (ie different simulation in that theory)

[lean echo]

so that means he was in a different galaxy or time

And last time I check they can’t effect time

[solar cairn]

You could technically be in the same spot but a different simulation has a different set of "rules" and different effects

Kinda why ship hunting is galaxy dependent too

[lean echo]

I mean yeah that is true

[solar cairn]

Are you thinking of Apollo?

[lean echo]

Oh my bad

Yes

[solar cairn]

Or was that -Null- I couldn't remember

[lean echo]

I get the 2 mixed soemtimes

[solar cairn]

Same

[lean echo]

It’s Apollo since it was triangle dude

[solar cairn]

But we could speak with all 3 with the deep space transponder thing

[lean echo]

Which is weird

[solar cairn]

If only that was like an in game DM system with friends that would be fun

Work the same way, cross galaxy. As long as you had their friend code

Anyway, back to the theories

[lean echo]

Honestly a rework of the friend code and friend list completely is a must

[slow hatch]

When I play with my friend, we use the Discord chat on a personal server while we play.

[lean echo]

I can’t chat in game so I use discord as well

[solar cairn]

I'm not entirely gonna forget it, I'll drop that in the future channel to see who bites

But it would give a reason to actually make friends in the anomaly and end this DAMN COM-BALL SPAM

[lean echo]

XD

[solar cairn]

Nothing quite like "the simulation is crashing" when 30 balls renders.

[lean echo]

But I love com-ball spams

[solar cairn]

My frames don't

So glad that got optimized

[lean echo]

Oh neither do mine I usually crash but it’s still great

I try to read them all

[solar cairn]

Your poor system.

Maybe that is what 16 meant... 16 max balls before frames die

[lean echo]

So far the best I’ve seen is 16 / 16 / kzzt / 16 / error

[solar cairn]

No [REDACTED] WACK

[lean echo]

Thoughts on the removed pulse engine upgrade from a extremely early update when game first launched?

[solar cairn]

?

What did it do?

[lean echo]

It was better than the sub light upgrade

[solar cairn]

I'm still wrapping my head that plutonium was an element that NMS had in the early days

[solar cairn]

Really??? Ooooooooooooo. How could I break that one

[lean echo]

If your on pc you can get it

Using files and stuff

[solar cairn]

I'm not sadly

[lean echo]

Same

[lilac thistle]

Okay so if i reset the simulation am i able to go back to my previous galaxies/bases or is everything wiped?

[icy citrus]

You can go back

Make a base in whatever galaxy you go to, so you can return there easily also

[haughty fox]

There was plutonium in NMS?

[solar cairn]

https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Plutonium

Yep

[eternal radish]

I once had a Traveller interaction in a space station where they needed plutonium as fuel for something and since I don't have plutonium I gave them condensed carbon as an alternative. I wonder if plutonium still exists in some NMS universes and if those universes are still like the legacy versions of NMS.

Uranium seems like a more logical alternative than plutonium tho but okay...

I have also seem a product containing heridium being sold at a trade terminal.

[unborn bough]

rolls in, spoils everything

[solar cairn]

Funnily enough, plutonium came from the same giant red crystal that condensed carbon now comes from

[eternal radish]

Interesting. I wonder why plutonium and heridium have been removed from the game.

[solar cairn]

And Thorium9 I think it's called?

[eternal radish]

Ooh yeah that one. I wonder why those elements are no longer in the game.

I just looked up how plutonium is made. It doesn't exist in nature but is created by shooting uranium with neutrons which causes decay, which forms plutonium. Chemical processes are used to speed up this process.

Alright. Back to NMS spoiler stuff. This isn't a chemistry chat lol 😅

I'd love to see the return of plutonium. Maybe if we'd be able to refine uranium into plutonium in the game

[solar cairn]

Or mix it with deuterium (I think that's in game) because they are usually a fuel for reactors as a neutron isolation??? I have to Google it more and yeah that's gonna be a fun rabbit hole.

[merry estuary]

show it already

[unborn bough]

Vy'keen have a face under their helmet.

[merry estuary]

What ze fak

[unborn bough]

LOOOL!

[steel robin]

what is that

what am I even seeing

[unborn bough]

Vy'keen's true face.

[steel robin]

Why does it look like he has spider fangs.

[unborn bough]

LMFAO!

[steel robin]

Are the Vy'keen anarchnids?

[unborn bough]

That's his nose.

his/her/their.

I was shocked, the redditers were shocked XD

[eternal radish]

Gek too.

[unborn bough]

HEK!

LOL!

[eternal radish]

Kek

[unborn bough]

So are the Korvax the only entity with wires in their helmet?