nms-spoilers

[safe kiln]

all the "glitches" are, in essence, the atlas being unable to hold the problems back any longer

[haughty fox]

I've not understood that part entirely, either

[safe kiln]

as I said, the world of glass is basically a recycle bin

[near prairie]

and i agree, i personaly belive this is an example of one area where the ATLAS's story is factually true and it is not lying

[safe kiln]

where deleted things and entities go

[near prairie]

ocne again like all versions of events the truth is somewhere in the middle however

[safe kiln]

there's a reason the atlas is disliked, yes

[hallow terrace]

oh hm

[near prairie]

however that is only believed Because it is verified with other sources and first hand with the glitches

so its not relying soley on his word

[safe kiln]

i think it's safe to believe the atlas is failing

[near prairie]

it also leaves versions of events very ambiguous

it was abandoned but why?

yes its trying to "understand"

the true reason

but it leaves out the details of what led to that point

[safe kiln]

the story goes that it was abandoned because it became obsolete

[near prairie]

"Oh, earth sucked and nuked itself so they left"

Yes what does that mean

Atlas claims that ,

[safe kiln]

its creators replicated its technology, and improved upon it

[near prairie]

i was not aware of this

[safe kiln]

instead of shutting it down, the atlas' creator offered it the choice of either being left on, alone forever, or being shut down

the atlas chose to be left on, on the condition that it could scan its creator

[near prairie]

may I ask where this is found out or revealed i never came across this info in game or outside game research when reading lore

[safe kiln]

remembrance terminals

[near prairie]

I do remember something vaguely referencing that ATLAS scanned the creator's brain at one point, but under what circumstances and details were left out

but that is the extent of it

[near prairie]

okay ill go back through in this save and wiki and try to fill some of that in

[haughty fox]

And It now uses that scan to generate the Travellers

That's why we're cleared to order it to reset the sim

[near prairie]

Right I remember that part, that’s how it links the traveler and why the travelers considered a simulation of the creator and some regards via the brain scan.

I thought the details passed that we’re open to speculation I wasn’t aware there is more to that particular plot line but all cool new information to learn

However still maintain the atlas is a bias narrator but of course the snippets that come from non-atlas sources paint a wider picture of the truth

[haughty fox]

They do call it the scarlet liar

Hey, is there any other "digital journal" beside the monolyth entries by each race, the boundary failures and the new Sentinel pillars?

[near prairie]

i wonder if any of the planetary or colossal archives count? those are typically race-speific

[haughty fox]

Those are the monolyths

[near prairie]

Ah kk!

wait arent there already different ruin-like structures called "monoliths" i ngame?

But i assume the dialogue is the same?

[haughty fox]

There are three kinds of ruins, I think

Only one gives you the lore logs

[foggy jungle]

Hello

[latent ingot]

@foggy jungle

[foggy jungle]

Ye

[latent ingot]

Kk, so did you do 16 warps before you reached the center?

[foggy jungle]

No

[uncut harness]

In Purge you dont need to reach the center

[foggy jungle]

Oh

[uncut harness]

You have to warp 16 times to progress

[foggy jungle]

Oh i did not know that

[latent ingot]

Ahhh, that's part of the purge....it will send you to an Atlas station after the 16th warp. So I would reload

[foggy jungle]

Reload a save it is

Thx :)

[latent ingot]

Np

[foggy jungle]

@latent ingot i got 1 more question

If im already on the last note can i just warp anywhere 16 times or should i go far away first?

[latent ingot]

You can just warp anywhere around where you were at

[foggy jungle]

Aight cool thx

[latent ingot]

I was still 600k LY from center the last time I did Artemis Path for my Exp8 save

[foggy jungle]

Ah i see

[latent ingot]

If you choose to reset, you'll have 4 options. Hmu if you aren't sure where you want to go

[foggy jungle]

Wdym 4 options?

[latent ingot]

You'll get an option to not reset simulation and stay in Euclid. Or reset and move to a new galaxy

[uncut harness]

wait. so, i dont need to get to the centre of galaxy with quest with 16 warps?

[latent ingot]

Correct

[uncut harness]

hm

okay

but how big is euclid galaxy?

[latent ingot]

They are all basically the same size afaik

[uncut harness]

like how many ly you need to travel to get to the centre

[latent ingot]

I'm in Sudzerbal atm and at

[uncut harness]

oh

so it says here that you are 1,159,302 ly from the centre?

[latent ingot]

Yes

[uncut harness]

okay

i get this

[foggy jungle]

I just got the option

If i reset do i lose everything?

I can reset , refuse or ask for another way

[latent ingot]

You don't lose anything

[latent ingot]

If you refuse you just stay in Euclid. If you reset you get the options

Neither choice is good or bad. All up to your preferences

[foggy jungle]

@latent ingot theres this red,green,dark blue and cyan balls

Are they different from one another?

[latent ingot]

Yes. Red is Harsh will send you to Galaxy #3, Calypso. A lot of extreme storms and activated minerals

Green is Lush and will send you to Galaxy 10 Eissentam. A LOT of lush/paradise planets there

[foggy jungle]

Ah so it just pick a galaxy

I see i see

I already put a base on a lot of galaxy so i guess i can just pick random

[latent ingot]

Dark blue is an Empty galaxy, Budullangr #7 is the destination....a lot of the dead airless planets, so finding a good planet to settle can be harder

[spice coral]

That would of been nice to know. 🙃

[foggy jungle]

Ooo i never been here before

How bout the cyan?

[latent ingot]

The light is just a norm Euclid type Galaxy. Pretty sure it send you to Hilbert (#2) same as going through center

[foggy jungle]

Oh hilbert

Aight dark blue awaits!

Thx for the help :3

[latent ingot]

Budullangr isn't terrible. I have a save I split between there and Calypso

[latent ingot]

No probs. If you need a hand there just hmu

[foggy jungle]

I already have a base on noomate so a good base planet is out of my problem rn

[foggy jungle]

Okei thx

[latent ingot]

You can easily teleport to any base you have a base computer at regardless of the galaxy it is in. I go between them all the time

[foggy jungle]

Ye ik

[latent ingot]

K, good

[haughty fox]

Will our character ever figure out what Telamon is? And that it's the voice of the exosuit?

[stone cobalt]

So, just reset the simulation and notice that the planet I am on is around 8 billion years old, do you guys think I am in coma for the entire time or do my data was not injected into the galaxy while ATLAS is preparing it for me?

The coma seems to be able to explain why everything is broken from time tho

[muted moth]

there's lore about this in the game. whether you come across that lore depends on what things you look at (not what choices you make in game, don't worry about that)

[haughty fox]

Are you referring to the boundary failures?

[muted moth]

I think it's those that discuss it yeah

[haughty fox]

I know, they're written by Telamon

From what I remember, it was meant to keep an eye on the Atlas, though it was unable to speak its name. It went rampant and redundant, then it tricked Telamon and cut it out of the system. Now it's confined in our exosuit and can only talk when it notifies us with weather alerts and crafting. Yet now it can say "Atlas"

[calm briar]

Ok so the Atlas contains multiple concious entities. It's interesting in waking titan there is a doc that says the scientists are becoming depressed because they found out they are also in a simulation.

I guess the fact the atlas was abandoned eventually, is strange, because I would have expected the scientists to feel more strongly about preserving it. Unless of course, the entire species had an existential meltdown and proceeded to dive into the sun.

Actually. I guess waking titan never actually says the real world is a simulation... just that the team working on the project is convinced they live in a simulation. Still, I wouldn't expect that to matter as much to them, but would make them feel more attached to the project.

[haughty fox]

What's Waking Titan?

[icy citrus]

https://wiki.gamedetectives.net/index.php?title=Waking_Titan

ARG

[uncut harness]

Was so much fun too.

[icy citrus]

Loved it

[uncut harness]

I'd love another ARG, even if not WT and something entirely new.

I know it's not happening though. 😔

[icy citrus]

Probably not, but I wouldn't rule anything out completely with HG

[haughty fox]

Was?

So is dead or finished or something?

[uncut harness]

We finished it 😭

[haughty fox]

So what was it exactly? An official community fanfiction or something?

[uncut harness]

Nah, it was an official story that ties in with NMS.
They had us working as a community to solve puzzles, some even required people to visit real places and complete things like escape rooms. Even had folk walk around Louvre in Paris.

In fact, Louvre wasn't a requirement but the community decided that the answer we was looking for was inside the Louvre so forced the guys to take a walk around.

They had a fun time tbh.

90% of the puzzles were community effort and all online, had to work out passwords to gain access to accounts, searching file systems and cryptocoin wallets.

Had a dude that used to be here (might still be) win $50 worth of ETH coin.

[haughty fox]

What was the plot?

[calm briar]

How the atlas came to be

[haughty fox]

Well, how did it come to be?

[calm briar]

Someone made it. I think there is a link above that describes it very well

[calm briar]

This one

[haughty fox]

Anyway, one of the Sentinels messages had me have a funny thought. They say there used to be plenty more of civilizations in the sim, but every time the Atlas resets it there's one less, so now we only have Gek, Korvax and Vy'keen.

Can you imagine when there were other civilizations? What if there were even species from iconic franchises, like the yautjas and ET's species? xD

[safe kiln]

The vy’keen more or less fill the role of the former

[eternal radish]

OMG imagine an ARG where we rescue Ariadne and Artemis, for real this time! 😍😍😍😍

[eternal radish]

Lol I was just thinking about Yautja/Predators in NMS. Very unlikely but an awesome cross-over idea 👍

[haughty fox]

I guess the Vy'keen and the biological horrors already serve as references to Predator and Alien

[eternal radish]

What if the Independence Day aliens would get into the NMS universe?

[eternal radish]

I think the same. Biological horrors are basically discount Xenomorphs.

[haughty fox]

They're children of a xenomorph and the noglin from ARK Genesis 2

[haughty fox]

New mode: interrupt the harvesters from mining planet cores before the planets are gone.

"I'm the one who grinds stuff with a laser, suckers!"

[eternal radish]

New headcanon idea: Biological horrors are the result of Xenomorphs infecting a certain species of green creatures who have scorpion tails (maybe the noglin).

[eternal radish]

Haha

[eternal radish]

The Sentinels would be so pissed at the harvesters.

[eternal radish]

SynthGek interaction.

[rotund dawn]

SHOULD I
Look for last interace
Finish atlas path
Explore the galaxy

#nms-questions

[eternal radish]

Do what feels good

[haughty fox]

What's the deal with the Space Anomaly, exactly? Nada and Polo designed it to be in every parallel galaxy of the simulation at the same time and survive the various resets?

What drove a divergent Korvax and a Gek engineer to build a hub for Travellers?

[strong bluff]

I think that it was made for travellers hiding from Atlas and its sentinels for various reasons. That it's supposed to be a save hiding place for the travellers.

But it's long time I have played the main story.

[glass flare]

I stumbled on the Outlaws quest chain on my main save last night. Saw the floating solar sail ship and thought "oh cool sail ship for free", then read about the quest and discover the end reward is just a cape. Sean pls.

[charred shale]

Yo I've never ran into a synthgek before! didn't even know that was possible 😁

[eternal radish]

Same

[flint oar]

kind of weird that when there are things like warp drives there are things that run on coal pretty much

[uncut harness]

i met a korvax creature on space station saying 01000001 01010100 01001100 01000001 01010011 what means ATLAS in binary code alphabet

does that mean anything?

[strong bluff]

Atlas is a being which you can visit in its stations.

In Atlas path.

[uncut harness]

ye i know

but i met him at a normal space station

[haughty fox]

What was the plot of the Emergence expedition?

What was happening with the planet infesting worms?

[calm briar]

Read an interesting article on the experience of being sucked in to a black hole (allegedly the fate of the Atlas in the physical world).

"As time distorts near the event horizon of a black hole, the outside Universe would watch you descend towards it more and more slowly. In theory, from their perspective it would take an infinite amount of time for you to become a part of the black hole."

Looks like we have forever!!

Oh wait... no that's from the outside perspective. We're still screwed 💀

[pearl pagoda]

what happens if i follow the atlas path

[haughty fox]

You get to see black holes in the galactic map

[pearl pagoda]

...is that it?

[haughty fox]

Yes

[pearl pagoda]

and if i refuse?

[haughty fox]

You don't see black holes in the galactic map and you have to ask Polo for their coordinates

[pearl pagoda]

oh

well thats

ok thanks

[muted moth]

also, you won't have the blueprints to make the item at the end of the main storyline, if you want to build that tech item ever

[strong bluff]

If you wanna see black holes yourself, you should start doing Atlas path.

I got a haunted Derelict freighter. Generated with slime everywhere, but there were no hostile aliens. There was just hostile security system (sentries and hostile drones). The story of it was creepy - a crew which for fun thrown out of airlock some priest. Then everybody started hearing a voice which eventually caused them to jump into space and kill themselves. So it sounds that the priest avenged himself...sort of.
But in the last room I have found an only hostile alien - green jellyfish. While I have instantly shot it down, as they are dangerous now I wonder, was this creature cause of the voice? Or was it just some escaped experiment which had nothing common with crew going crazy?

[shrewd hound]

What's the end of The Purge?

[velvet ivy]

Did you do the atlas questline yet?

[shrewd hound]

Yes

[velvet ivy]

Your current mission is the purge?

[shrewd hound]

Yes

[velvet ivy]

The choices are really up to you, and you just need to jump 16 times.
Id equip a junker ship and multiool for the last bit

[shrewd hound]

I found a place where I need those things the atlas gives me

And why do I need bad ones?

[velvet ivy]

The wiki is pretty thorough
https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/The_Purge

[velvet ivy]

Wdym?

[shrewd hound]

^

[velvet ivy]

They will get damaged, so that way you dont need to repair your good equipment

[shrewd hound]

Ooh

[velvet ivy]

If you can put all your modules in the tech tab they'll be safe, but you prob dont have room and that doesn't help the multitool

[shrewd hound]

Done

[velvet ivy]

Nice, congrats

[ornate ferry]

any leaks?

[strong bluff]

Aside of the "lorem ipsum" and some other GUI ones... Probably not. 🤔

[strange sonnet]

Is anyone on?

So I am at the point where I have Artemis in the Arc Soul and I am torn what to do and just needed to talk it out a bit with someone or some people.

I know that Artemis likes to explore and make friends and putting them in the simulation feels like condemning them to something they wouldnt want. But letting them go seems wrong as well. I have run into this issue with all the travelers that I run into that lead me to graves. Like is there anything that can be done for them. This situation though feels different then the others though because of how it all came about. That other being did warn me though. Thing is what happened to Artemis cant be undone all there is is from that point forward. I mean if I put them in the simulation and eventually tell them the truth about things they could choose their fate instead of me forcing my choice on them. And we put Artemis Soul into that machine what to say we couldnt put it eventually in a robot that would then not let them be confined in that simulation. Heck we could upload them into our exosuit some how and let them live vicariously with us. I try to think of how they lived before and what they wanted but they were already dead but up to then it was like they wanted help. Is finding them enough to let them rest in peace not stuck on that glitch planet or should I not give up on them in hopes that whatever life I can find them is enough for them. This sorta reminds me of Dr. Who with Riversong... 😦 I am so torn.

[haughty fox]

Put him into the sim and tell him the truth

He's just fine with it

He wanted exploration? You gave him a galaxy to explore as thoroughly as he likes. He wanted to meet other Travelers? Now everyone on the Anomaly can go into that room and pay him a visit through the computer at any moment

[cedar lintel]

I wish we could use the computer

[gaunt heron]

I'm one jump away on the last Artemis mission, I know it's going to do some sort of reset/new galaxy thing, what happens to all my stuff? Bases, cargo, freighter etc?

[uncut harness]

All safe

[opaque venture]

IIRC you just travel to a new galaxy

it does batter your multitool and your ship

grab your cheapest multitool and move all your good tech into your tech slots

also grab some terrible c class ship for the trip

[gaunt heron]

"just" travel to a new galaxy 😆 I've not done that before hence being nervous (I've gathered nice things)

Any recommendations for what galaxy to go to? How do you swap between them later?

[opaque venture]

you can just teleport to your old base

but my personal recomendation is to get a freighter base

first

[gaunt heron]

I have a really nice freighter, I haven't had the modules to unlock things for it yet thou

[opaque venture]

your first modules should be teleporter and storage

they are the most helpful ones by far

then grab refinery and trade

[gaunt heron]

I have the teleporter thing (unless you mean the one that lets you move stuff from anywhere)
I would like to put the storage rooms on a different level but I haven't got any stairs yet

[opaque venture]

just place them as soon as possible

and your first upgrade should be the matter beam

your freighter becomes a flying storage unit that you can acess from anywhere

and you can even acess your storage containers

[gaunt heron]

I'm going to spend some time doing derelict freighters to get some modules, matter beam is first on list, followed by stairs 😆

[wanton badge]

ok so im doing the story right, and theres always the quest option to talk to nada about the stuff i find out
if i dont say anything to them does it affect anything?

[heady wyvern]

No, but you'll miss out on small rewards of Quicksilver.

So do it.

[sick lotus]

is the purge the final mission in the main story

[safe kiln]

Yes

[sick lotus]

huh now what

[safe kiln]

Have you done the atlas path?

[sick lotus]

yep

[eternal radish]

Some in game hypothesises about how the Korvax came to exist. The Korvax don't know their origins and history either.

I lean towards the first hypothesis.

[haughty fox]

Damn, if only all this world-building wasn't so scattered around

[calm briar]

Hypothesis 3 seems more in line with the story

[eternal radish]

I want to see cities but on the other hand if cities would exist Sentinels would commit genocide, once again.

[eternal radish]

That the Korvax didn't envolve but just appeared out of thin air, like the Travellers?
Hmmm. Seems plausible, however, even within the Atlas simulation changes and evolution takes place, the fall of the First Spawn being an example of this (although it being an artificial evolution), so that the Korvax were once different, such as organic, seems also very possible to me.

[calm briar]

This one

[eternal radish]

On a side note, what if hypothesis 3 is true for our universe? 👀

[calm briar]

Oh crap it's all the same post, that didn't work

[eternal radish]

You mean the last picture?

[calm briar]

Yep!

That's the one that seems most accurate to me given what we know about the recreation process.

[eternal radish]

Well, we'll never know (or maybe we will).

The Sentinels also appeared out of thin air.

Or at least it has never been specified how they gained "flesh".

But that's hypothesis 2

[calm briar]

I could see that as well. My main reason for being drawn to hypothesis 3 is that we know the atlas is, in its own unique way, having an existential crisis

And is also dying. It creates because it's crying out in pain and that's all it knows how to do

What I find interesting is how much to atlas leaves to experience versus just displaying the calculated result

[eternal radish]

Also how evolution is possible

[calm briar]

Yep. Perhaps the evolution and the wars... and everything else we find... is just a cool story the atlas tells to fill in the blanks. Or it's simply a variable... a seed used in the RNG

But I'm pretty steadfast that the existential crisis is unnecessary. If software created a councious entity, then it's still concious regardless of its parts. There is nothing that can take away from its experience. In fact, to me, it just confirms that conciousness is an abstract natural property of the universe when enough information/sharing and complexity is introduced.

The traveller is just as real as its creator. Just maybe the Korvax and Gek wars were not so much.

[haughty fox]

I still don't get what happened to the crew whose logs we read in the Abyss quest. All I remember is the frustration of crossing half an ocean from a terminal to the next with the nautilus for too many times

[strong bluff]

I think that we don't find it out. That they just disappeared. Maybe the sunken abandoned buildings eventually give answers, like the ones in case of the ones outside of the water.

[knotty mountain]

@wintry roost

[wintry roost]

But right now we have zero evidence if the Sentinels were created by anything in particular

All we know is that they exist and are beyond ancient

[knotty mountain]

Boundary failure lore

[wintry roost]

Your point is?

[knotty mountain]

There was a precursor race that invented the Atlas and presumably the sentinels as well, if this is the case, that race would either be the Aerons or be the ones who created them before the Aerons became the sentinels, and I would like to see that aspect of the story fleshed out

That was my point all along

[pearl pagoda]

there isn't really any proof that the aerons were a race

[knotty mountain]

How so?

If aeron=sentinel and in either case they are machines, they had to be created by someone

[wintry roost]

Pretty sure this "precursor race" wasn't even inside the universe

From what I remember, the creator of the Atlas existed in the real world

[pearl pagoda]

yeah, but people don't just name their robots after their own race

[knotty mountain]

Yes but the atlas also existed in the "real world"

[wintry roost]

Aerons were always Sentinels

Sentinels were always Aerons

It's just like if I got my name changed from Terrabytez to Bob

Same entity

[knotty mountain]

One of the points that the boundary failure lore is trying to make is that the universe above is just part of a greater simulation with a greater version of the atlas

[wintry roost]

Different name

[knotty mountain]

So if it existed on any level it existed on every level

[wintry roost]

Our Atlas does not exist on every level

[knotty mountain]

Right because "The Atlas" is the name of the program that runs the simulation in that universe, presuming that the universe above it is also a simulation it would also be run by a program that wouldn't necessarily be exactly the same or called "The Atlas" but would function the same nonetheless

[wintry roost]

If the Atlas' creators' universe is simulated, that changes nothing for the universe that the Atlas simulates

[knotty mountain]

Might I just say I know this started as like an argument but it's really nice to talk to someone who also is this fascinated by the intricacies of the lore

As above so below

If you create a simulation and something happens to you or someone you know fucks with it, that would absolutely mess with that simulation

Whether it's in "this world" or "that world" is irrelevant because it's all the same world, just different levels

[safe kiln]

the sentinels are creations of the Atlas

[knotty mountain]

Lol

Little late in here sorry

We've been arguing that point for a minute now

[safe kiln]

maybe so

[glass flare]

in Waking Titan it was communicated to us by the AI Emily that what we see of NMS was she/it "dreaming". So there is conceivably a level of the programming above the NMS simulation that operates on a wholly different level

[knotty mountain]

Whoever created the atlas created the Aerons which became corrupted by the atlas and became the sentinels

This is my favorite thing to talk about in this whole game

[safe kiln]

Sentinel Pillar lore implies that the atlas was the one to give bodies to the Sentinels

[knotty mountain]

The Atlas LIES

Which is implied by everyone everywhere lol

[safe kiln]

it's not the atlas that says this, though

it's the sentinel hive

[knotty mountain]

Which used to be the Aerons before the Atlas corrupted them

Now they don't even know that they used to be the Aerons

[safe kiln]

as far as I know, they're a sub-routine of the atlas

they seem to be different from Telamon as well, which appears to be its own computer made to monitor the atlas

[wintry roost]

I always saw Sentinels as the universal police force of the Atlas

[safe kiln]

they are

[wintry roost]

They exist to preserve creation

[safe kiln]

or, were

[wintry roost]

They have a habit of going rogue though

[safe kiln]

they seem to have gained their own motives, separate from the atlas

[wintry roost]

Could be like Ultron, where he takes his programming to the extreme in Age of Ultron (forcing life to evolve)

Or could be due to corruption from the Abyss

[safe kiln]

I do think there's some merit to "the Atlas is allowing the Abyss to corrupt the simulation to see if it can actually find some escape from the final 16"

[safe kiln]

yes

much like all deleted things, the first Korvax Convergence survives in the World of Glass

what's interesting is that a boundary failure log mentions earlier forms of the Atlas

[glass flare]

I would posit that the Abyss is a manifestation of the code and memory corruption inherent in the looming black hole event. It's pattern matching like when we see a shape and our brain turns it into something it's not. Machine learning algorithms kind of do the same thing. I think the Atlas is trying to find a reason for the growing corruption in its systems and has imagined the Abyss to try to explain it

[wintry roost]

There really needs to be some lore database that has all the dialogue in the game recorded somewhere

[safe kiln]

Wiki should have all of them

[wintry roost]

Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place

I can't find them

[knotty mountain]

I saw some datamines that seems like they're trying to add a way to keep all of the lore you've read in the game

[haughty fox]

Hey, I remember a settler of a Vy'keen settlement that got crazy and told everyone not to drink any water

So is every animal and alien in the sim infected by nanites and unwittingly influenced by the Abyss?

[eternal radish]

Interesting discussion you guys were having here 🙂

[safe kiln]

more or less

maybe not those lifeforms on planets with no water, but who knows

[haughty fox]

What kind of effect do those Sentinel nanites have on people? Or should I say, NPC iterations

[uncut harness]

btw what are the anomaly's?

[uncut harness]

The things you can summon in space. They look like a giant ball with a beam

I mean the character in character customization thing

[safe kiln]

the anomaly race is the player, basically

sort of a subset of traveller

[haughty fox]

Yeah, about that: I'm aware that thousands of people before me asked this question, but do you think the anomaly species is Homo sapiens? I mean, come on, we're astronauts. If we truly are a representation of the Atlas' maker... are his makers humans?

[safe kiln]

depends on if you consider Waking Titan to be canon, I suppose

[haughty fox]

If it is, is the answer yes?

[safe kiln]

yeah

[haughty fox]

Works for me

Although I understood literally nothing by reading WT's recap

[haughty fox]

https://youtu.be/Ut8RbrdUBIs

Hey, look at this! It sounds neat! Although the NMS fauna still looks quite poor even after all these years xD

[haughty fox]

Using the Radiant Pillar for the footage is a neat touch, lol

[pallid stump]

Either the First Spawn are lucky the Korvax didn't do worse to them or that conversion process was way more unpleasant than we thought.

[eternal radish]

Anomalies are homo -kzzzt-

[eternal radish]

I have always considered anomalies to be Travellers with fancy space helmets. I like to imagine my Traveller character has always been the same but that at the start their head was covered by a helmet and that they are wearing some kind of "holographic helmet" now.

[eternal radish]

I hope people understand that I'm not making fun of gay people. I can't help the nomer for species of human is "homo" 😬

[haughty fox]

Then they should understand there's a difference between the Latin word for "man" and the prefix for "same"

[north locust]

to get to other galaxies after Eissentam, do i repeat the Atlas path mission in each galaxy?

[haughty fox]

No, you just have to go to the core of every galaxy until you get to the one you want

[twin dome]

I cant get to Eissan because my artemis quest is bugged

[heady wyvern]

!StarCabLink @twin dome

Uh

[twin dome]

wut

[heady wyvern]

Well

If you wanna to go Eissentam, fastest way is through the StarCab. @twin dome

https://discord.gg/WgUdnbZJjh
This one @twin dome

[polar hull]

Question: Will my progress be whiped if I finish the main story? Just yes, no or It's possible pls, no details.

[safe kiln]

no

[polar hull]

ok thx

[eternal radish]

No. Apparently (even before I played NMS) it used to be like that. When resetting the Atlas all your previous bases were getting deleted but after a lot of complaints about it it's been changed so you will keep your previous bases when you reset.

[polar hull]

well, I finished it

10/10, pretty good story, especially since I expected it to be some 6/10 tutorial for basic stuff, instead it gave me existential dread and quenched my thirst for cosmic horror for the next half a year

[eternal radish]

This! I didn't expect such a good story, tho I was already familiar with simulation theory so that didn't really come as a shock to me.

[shell smelt]

omg why spoil imsomad

[charred shale]

If you don't want spoilers stay out of the spoilers channel lol

[shell smelt]

just joking

[shell smelt]

the ending and stuff were pretty good, it was kinda boring mid game

[mental socket]

cross-save under development "leaked" by Amazons Canadian site

@knotty mountain @rotund notch @charred shale @hybrid pendant
Just tagging some of the few people I recall waiting for cross-save functionality

you might find this interesting

Also previously speculated Frontiers update/settlements not being included in switch version at launch confirmed

[charred shale]

Interesting! Thanks for sharing this @mental socket ! 😁

[eternal radish]

I hope the Mac and iPad version will get multiplayer and cross-save and cross-play too.

First Spawn was fucked.

^^^This post is not paret of my reply above.

[mental socket]

I see no reason for them to not include them, given that the versions of iPads the game is being ported on are far more powerful than the switch

[eternal radish]

Yes

[mental socket]

[knotty mountain]

Very interesting indeed, do you think it is possible that this was a misunderstanding by the individual who wrote the bullet points thinking that the game already has cross save and that it would be added to switch later?

[icy citrus]

That's exactly what I think

It also mentioned settlements

[covert swift]

Yeah probably meant cross-play

[mental socket]

[covert swift]

The ps5 version in its description also doesn’t say frontiers… so people of course just looking a little to into it

[eternal radish]

Anyways. I'm hyped for iPad version.

[knotty mountain]

I wish, I do believe at some point hg will work on integrating a cross save system but I definitely don't believe it will be any time remotely soon, so I guess it's not wrong, there probably will be cross save at some point, but probably not in the next couple years or so lol

Cross save would just require soooo much work to be added to the game and I doubt they've even begun setting the framework for that yet

[eternal radish]

Maybe it's been planned?

[twin dome]

For atlas path, green orb is lush galaxy right?

[rotund notch]

Knew it lol. Wouldnt make sense not to have it

Hopefully it happens!

[low egret]

Yep

[raven snow]

People

What happens at the end of atlas path

Which ending does what

[opaque venture]

you dont lose anything

you just gain a cool upgrade blueprint

[raven snow]

But what path does what

[opaque venture]

star seed I think

do nothing does nothing

wow who would've thought

and create a new star does a cool lightshow and gives you a cool upgrade blueprint

[raven snow]

So nothing happens to my stuff, systems, or empire

[opaque venture]

the main questline is the one where you can "crate" a new galaxy

you dont lose anything

[raven snow]

Bet

[opaque venture]

you can tp back to your base

or you can also hold off on it

[raven snow]

Also

What do you do in New Beginnings

It just says explire

Explore*

[icy citrus]

Do whatever you want

[heady wyvern]

That's the end of the quest line. You're being told to engage with the sandbox however you see fit.

[raven snow]

Is there any way to get rid of the tracker in my log?

[heady wyvern]

That's kind of the quest you select to remove trackers for any other quest

[glass flare]

could be, but they could also surprise us with cross-play in 4.0. I don't necessarily think it's a high priority for HG, but they want sales, and they would get more sales if people could double dip on another platform(s) without having to start a new save and throw away all their time investment

[uncut harness]

This is slightly untrue as that will break every piece of technology you own, unless they are in designated tech slots. Multitool is also broken.

[opaque venture]

oh yeah that

[uncut harness]

Completely forgot about that mechanic on my new main save and I'm still in the process of repairing my stuff

[pulsar grove]

why do people choose NOT to put artemis into the simulation

what's the benefit in leaving him to die

[icy citrus]

There is no benefit to either choice

It's what you think or feel is right

[glass flare]

I think Mitesse meant, what is the benefit to Artemis. I think perhaps people who choose not to use the simulation felt that being alone in a poor imitation of reality, with only scripted NPCs to interact with for an unknown and possibly very long amount of time, would be a fate worse than death.

[fleet marsh]

what does resetting the simulation do

i lose everything i own right

and how do i get to the middle of the galaxy

[prisma ivy]

You won't lose anything

[prisma ivy]

If you follow the mission for it, it'll direct you toward the galaxy. If you open your galaxy map and select "galactic core" it'll draw a line connecting the systems that you have to jump to get to the core.

[wise phoenix]

Hello, is there a place where I can find all the conversation with -null- and Apollo?

I'm looking for a specific quote.

[icy citrus]

Gimmie a few, I might have it

Nope, sorry

[tame grotto]

Maybe try the assistant app for NMS? Will post link below. They have a Discord too where you may inquire since they datamine quite a bit of content.

!MobileAppLink

[cloud jolt]

https://nmsassistant.com

[subtle gorge]

I mean, it's an argument of philosophy. The simulation you put Artemis in is described as kind of hollow. It's the choice between letting them continue to live a shell of their former life (which arguably is already fairly hollow), effectively damming them to purgatory. Or laying them to rest.

Personally, I've run through the artemis path so many times over the years and I've yet to put artemis in the simulation.

[glass flare]

The problem is that ultimately whether being in the simulation or not will be good for Artemis is really up to Artemis. And they were given no choice in the matter. HG gives them zero agency. We are deciding their fate for them unilaterally

[bitter nymph]

@pulsar grove I've put him in the simulation. Sometimes i visit him. He is now my little pet and i am his god.

[outer bobcat]

@bitter nymph Wait, we can revisit him if we want to?

[bitter nymph]

@outer bobcat no, im just pretending i do. The simulation is in the nexus and i send a message form time to time

[uncut harness]

I like to imagine the messages we send to Artemis within their simulation is the random kzzzt static that we hear.

[dull echo]

Doesn't Artemis die anyway because of ||The Purge||

[thorny shell]

Guess it depends on whether or not you reset the simulation

[subtle gorge]

Yes, that's kind of the point?

That's not a narrative flaw, it's not necessarily a moral decision either way you look at it.

and that's something that runs through most of the game's decisions

[icy citrus]

Cant believe some of you reconstructed a dead entity's mind and then imprisoned it in a smaller sim

Meanies

Btw, we are Artemis

and Null

And Apollo

Different iterations, same program

Talking to yourself the whole time

[subtle gorge]

I don't know what that adds other than a greater feeling of futility to the final decision

which is also why i love that part of the story

Like, i kind of love how the game leads you on about your decisions mattering when in reality they really don't?

[icy citrus]

Illusion of control where there is none

Life basically

[strong bluff]

It gives you more interaction with her though... When you travel to the core.

[hearty chasm]

What is life anyway?

[strong bluff]

While if you let her die, she is just...dead.

And you do worse things in the Living ship quest line anyway.

(Feel your living ship egg with souls of travellers.)

[subtle gorge]

yeah but the living ship questline isn't playing with philosophy the way the artemis path is (which is why i'm honestly not a fan)

it's just pretty stock cosmic horror, it's neat tho

[icy citrus]

Yes, the realization that they are trapped and acceptance of their fate...for now anyways - should ask them after they have experienced a million years in their prison

[strong bluff]

Yep. To let somebody live in an illusion of life... Or to let him pass away...

Funny is that later you find out that you have same fate as Artemis, if you chose the first option.

Only in bigger simulation.

[strong bluff]

She actually forgives you that.

And it's same as you live forever in the prison of the Atlas simulation.

[icy citrus]

No way, I'm breaking the world of glass and ending the sim

[subtle gorge]

I hope we never get to do that tbqh

[strong bluff]

You can never escape it...

(Unless finally breaks.)

[subtle gorge]

I hope the atlas dying is just, something that looms over us for the game's lifespan

[icy citrus]

I don't think it will actually break, I'm hopeful it is supplanted or joined by the Abyss

[subtle gorge]

seeing things slowly change as reality destabilizes, unable to stop it

[strong bluff]

There wasn't anything about The Abyss for long time.

[icy citrus]

they have added Abyss lore several times - Atlas rises, Origins, Dream of the Deep - the archives, and ofc Sentinels

I think they have a plan

[strong bluff]

Sentinels are Abyss too? I just noticed that they have some hivemind (in the Sentinel update or which added the Sentinel boundaries).

[icy citrus]

The trace of metal quest talks about the abyss

[eternal radish]

You guys think Artemis ended up in the Abyss when they stepped through that portal?

[subtle gorge]

also sentinel pillars

[icy citrus]

World of glass, yep

I think the Abyss is the program that runs it now

That's how it can subvert sentinels

[eternal radish]

Explains why they were stalked by creatures with "seeds of glass into their skin". I wonder if we will ever see those beings in gameplay. Must be scary as fuck hehe.

[icy citrus]

Oh I hope so

[eternal radish]

NMS going from a space exploration game to a horror survival game haha

Anyways. Poor Arty. They never deserved that 🥺

[hearty chasm]

An actual sentinel expedition would be cool

[lapis holly]

you know, the glyph warp jump section of the artemis quest is a /really/ good way to do some trading.

[outer bobcat]

@lapis holly now that you mention it, I wish I had thought about it when I was doing darn

[lapis holly]

made around 50 mil or so

[outer bobcat]

@lapis holly 👀

[rough mica]

Do you all think something will happen to the anomaly eventually? It is apparently in worse and worse condition over time

[south void]

Apollo gives you circular room and door blueprints when he asks you to improve your base. He then gives you construction overseer terminal.

[glass flare]

I'm not sure why you think it's not a narrative flaw. HG constructed a character to make you feel things and then puts you in a moral dilemma. She's only there to be a philosophical argument, she has no agency of her own. The story never even allows the player to ask what Artemis wants. Framing someone else's life choice around what the player wants is meaningless. That's absolutely a problem with the writing IMO.

[hybrid pendant]

cross save is already possible with xbox @mental socket

xbox use its cloud for exemple i can use my xbox save on my pc with the xbox aplication

[mental socket]

I'm aware but that's Microsofts own cross save system. Not one HG has made. Cross save on switch would only mean that the save could be taken on another platforms since Nintendo doesn't have any other console capable of running NMS

Which would be a cross save system implemented by HG themselves

[safe kiln]

it's entirely intentional, and is therefore not a flaw??

how would you even ask artemis, given that their mind wasn't exactly able to communicate when you have to make this decision?

(at least, as far as i remember)

artemis almost certainly still has the agency to bring themself to an end if they so choose, when within that simulation, as well

[glass flare]

Why would you think that? I doubt the simulation Artemis is put in is any different than the simulation the player exists in. You die, the simulation creates a new iteration of you. I don't think Artemis has any capacity to end it themselves. In any case, what I mean is that Artemis as a character only exists to provide a Philosophy 101 essay question. They are a cardboard cutout of a person. We only care about Artemis's fate in as much as our natural empathetic instincts kick in. That's bad storytelling.

[low egret]

The way I see it, NMS isn't trying to have a character-based narrative, and that's fine. It's written more like some vintage sci-fi (e.g. Asimov) where characters serve the purpose of exposition, and the real narrative is more conceptual in nature. I wouldn't objectively call it "bad storytelling," just a different, more uncommon style of sci-fi.

[subtle gorge]

First off, this

not every story needs to be character driven

and NMS certainly isn't

i'd say it's more driven by it's themes and how it toys with philosophy and the characters are vehicles for that. That's why the entire game is written in the way it is. I wouldn't say characters are particularly well defined but they're not trying to be. Storytelling can take different forms and lambasting a work for not conforming to a specific idea of what it is is frankly silly

[subtle gorge]

Second, here I feel like you're basically asking "why can't i stop the trolley" and then calling that a flaw rather than it being the entire point.

Like, you're blaming the game for not conforming to your philosophy or letting you circumvent the problem because of how you feel about the subject matter

you believe that the character should have agency in whether they get to live or die? Ok, so do I. But that's not relevant to the choice being made here.

That's not a problem, that's the point.

If i could stop the trolley, it'd defeat the point

[charred shale]

I like the "Why can't I stop the trolley?" metaphor. Many games make the player character an important key piece of the narrative and world. And while "the last traveller" is a significant thing, in the grand scheme of things we are but an insignificant drop in the bucket and that, understandably, doesn't sit right with some people. I think the existential dread and meaningless is a great part of the story. I started out believing I would make a difference in this world, to make a meaningful mark, but eventually came to the conclusion that nothing really matters, or ever did.

[low egret]

Hey, did anyone else notice this in the Switch release date trailer? Right at the end when they're showing the promo art for all the updates. This is the last one and it's visible for a single frame. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but it doesn't look like any of the previous update artwork to me

Actually, correction: it's the second-last to appear, followed by Prisms. It's also visible for a few more frames before the screenshot I took, just not the whole thing. Here's a closer look at the bottom

[icy citrus]

That's Expeditions

Oops, need a new one with Endurance

[low egret]

Ah ok, I guess I must've missed that one when looking through the old updates lol

YouTube compression tripped me up with the lack of a logo and those black orbs I guess

[icy citrus]

😄

[low egret]

Here's hoping we'll get some news soonish though!

[subtle gorge]

I'll say i think 4.0 is going to be more of a technical update

[icy citrus]

Odds are super high, fast approaching Switch Release

[subtle gorge]

psvr2 , mac port, switch port

i think crosssave was mentioned on the switch page on amazon

[low egret]

I think it's gonna have technical stuff like that in it but it'll also be a major content update

[icy citrus]

On a Canadian one and based on the rest of it, it was someone not very familiar with it

They mentioned settlements in the future too

[subtle gorge]

I think they said Endurance might be the biggest content update of the year so i'm not getting my hopes up

[icy citrus]

But it's releasing with them, at least going by their own trailers

[low egret]

We haven't had the big summer update this year (they've always been in August or September so I don't think Endurance was it) so I think we'll get something content-wise

[subtle gorge]

I've had the theory that we might not be getting one, purely because how much technical stuff is happening soon

like ports are hard

and the team's still pretty small

i'd like to be proven wrong

Today, we are releasing what is probably our biggest update of the year (our 20th major free update). Perhaps fittingly we’re calling it ENDURANCE

[icy citrus]

Port is done, it's a physical release too

Been done once they announced the official date

[subtle gorge]

this is what's kind of defused my hype for 4.0, and that's okay tbqh

like the past 3 updates have slapped

[low egret]

I do think we'll be getting at least some content per the latest development update

[subtle gorge]

yea, i don't expect nothing

[icy citrus]

Even their "little" ones release with QOL and fixes

So if nothing else we get that, which is always welcome

[subtle gorge]

but yeah i'm a big fan of what we've gotten this year , in retrospect 2021 was kinda mid. Like I don't think there were any bad updates i just don't think there were any great ones

[icy citrus]

As an avid screenshot taker, Prisms was fantastic

[subtle gorge]

Prisms was probably my favorite

[icy citrus]

I'm still hopeful the Abyss storyline keeps getting additions

Moar

[subtle gorge]

I mean, we've gotten more development this year than we have in a long time lol

[icy citrus]

It's been great

[low egret]

Yeah I think the last 3 updates have all been my favorite updates since Origins

[subtle gorge]

was about to say

like, it feels like for some reason the momentum from Origins took another year to actually kick in

Companions was good for the community, Expeditions are neat but they need work especially regarding FOMO. Prisms was awesome and Frontiers was half really good

[magic patio]

Outlaws hands down is my favorite

[subtle gorge]

and the other half was unfinished

Origins is my favorite overall, but that's barely ahead of Atlas Rises because i'm an NMS boomer at this point

[low egret]

I started playing during NEXT but man i'd give a lot to have the aesthetic of the old versions back with the modern gameplay

[subtle gorge]

Origins did a really good job bringing that back for me, i just wish it went farther but it went as far as it feesably could

You can't recreate it 1 to 1 because NMS 1.0 has a very specific feeling that all these new features kind of get in the way of?

and it's way more than the aesthetic

[low egret]

Yeah fair point

[subtle gorge]

it's a very oppressive game atmospherically and it's bare mechanics contribute to that.

it's not the most fun game to play but it's legitimately one of my favorite experiences i've had with a video game

the new stuff is awesome too though, i just see them as different games with very different identities

[low egret]

Yeah agreed

[subtle gorge]

comparing the two is obligatory but otherwise futile

[low egret]

Honestly I think the whole launch debacle was just an issue of peoples' expectations of NMS being very different from what NMS actually was, and over time HG has changed it to that expectation

[subtle gorge]

yeah, it's honestly unfortunate but it's what had to happen

[low egret]

I do really wish more of the exploration was kept intact though - worlds feel way less vibrant nowadays

[subtle gorge]

I want a generation overhaul personally

like the generation in old NMS was more primative but more stuff could happen

like dead planets with water were like...a real thing?

and dead planets with atmospheres

it was awesome

[low egret]

Same here. I don't really mind if they do a universe reset, it's been 4 years since NEXT and if we get way better generation it'd add a lot to the game imo

[subtle gorge]

I adore what we have now, especially with the creature update origins brought with it

Like, No Man's Sky feels alien again

Origins ,along with these past 3 updates have kind of brought back the feelings of pure excitement and happiness i felt when i was reading the patch notes for updates like Pathfinder and Atlas Rises when i was 15

[low egret]

I really wanna see more thick atmospheric fog on some planets like what we saw on Oria V

[subtle gorge]

holy shit i was 15 when AR came out

i'm old ;-;

[icy citrus]

Pfff

[subtle gorge]

I feel like getting the old aesthetic is either a long ways away or never happening but it's something i desperately want.

It feels more surreal

i love what we have now though

it's more detailed and that's weird to me but like, sure!

it looks good!

[icy citrus]

To a degree, it has the same sort of things people mention now though - repeating terrain. The snake terrain being a good example

[low egret]

Oh yeah definitely. I would love to see some more rugged mountains though

[subtle gorge]

my only gripe is the space station floor , idk i just don't like how it looks now

[icy citrus]

My dream would be all these versions we have seen amalgamated

Legacy galaxies

[subtle gorge]

i liked just the pitch black

I mean i had an idea for like "Timeshifted planets" where there was a rare chance a planet could be like

a planet from a specific era of the game

like, OG, AR, Pathfinder, Prerelease

[icy citrus]

maybe make use of some of the shadow systems - have them be Launch, or AR or Next

[low egret]

That would be cool but it sounds like it'd be a massive PITA to implement

[icy citrus]

Oh I'm sure

[subtle gorge]

oh absolutely it'd be misery

but to be fair, it's not like HG wouldn't to make some people happy

[icy citrus]

The datamined Water world would be a nice thing to see also - whatever it may be

[subtle gorge]

like Origins was very much targetted at NMS veterans

[low egret]

I know the Better Planet Generation did some interesting stuff with it, like having water flora on land

Reminded me a bit of Satisfactory's Blue Crater biome

[icy citrus]

We can have underwater flora on land in vanilla though

Exotic assets too

On normal biomes

[subtle gorge]

and they still throw us bones every now and again, like Grahgrahs reappearing in Outlaws as contraband and them finally making nipnip contraband to the point where the joke is outdated now

[low egret]

Yeah true - it's just a bit of a different vibe from what BPG had

[icy citrus]

Definitely

[subtle gorge]

I'd like to see an underwater overhaul, i think The Abyss is kind of dated

[low egret]

Here's a screenshot of the BPG waterworld - I really like the vibe this has

(Not my screenshot btw - it's taken from the Nexus page lol)

[subtle gorge]

underwater ecology is functionally identical on every planet just with different assets and slightly different distribution

additionally a lot of underwater points of interest are just the stuff above ground just changed a bit

there's very little reason to actually explore the depths passed a certain point

[icy citrus]

We have skewed well away from spoilers, let's move on over to #nms-the-future

[subtle gorge]

oh, apologies!

[low egret]

Yeah good idea

[icy citrus]

No worries, I'm guilty too lol

[blissful quest]

Is there any relation between the main characters and the gods that they’re named after?

I know that Atlas makes some sense, as in Greek mythology Atlas was the Titan who carried the heavens for all eternity, and the Atlas in game simulates the entire universe.

But what about Artemis and Apollo?

[abstract bone]

The Artemis thing might have something to do with the one man that Artemis fell in love with, but could never be with (I forgot what the story is called I’ll lyk if I remember, it’s not Orion tho), and I think that symbolizes her love for the stars that she can never return to.

I have no clue about Apollo tho

I could also be grasping at straws for the Artemis one

[safe kiln]

Apollo is probably just named in relation to Artemis

This is interesting:

[glass flare]

No, what I meant is, the choice is meaningless because we have no idea what Artemis wants, so we have no idea whether the choice we made is good or bad. Thus, the game asks to make a choice that has no purpose. There is no lesson there, no burst of wisdom. All of the narrative lead-up is there to shock the player, to tug on their heartstrings. But we don't even know Artemis long enough or well enough to really care about them as an individual, which would make the impact of the no-win choice we have to make stronger. You said that NMS is not a character-driven story, and yet the only thing the game asks you to care about in the main story is the characters. Frankly, I think the lore you get from terminals and NPCs does a better job at what they were trying to do than the main narrative does.

[eternal radish]

I hope to see a continuation story for Artemis and Apollo though.

[eternal radish]

I felt bad that I had to choose for them. I wish Artemis could make that choice themselves.

[glass flare]

it would be nice. it's a shame that you can't even talk to Artemis if you chose to "save" them. but I think at this point I would rather the narrative move forward with all the lore threads HG have dropped the past few years. the Abyss, the world of glass, the water. so many interesting places for the story to go but HG for some reason just hasn't wanted to tell us more

my biggest point of annoyance right now is that HG have introduced gameplay concepts that are at odds with the way the static universe has been described. Pirate factions who claim to renounce Atlas are taking over whole star systems, with no retribution from the Sentinels. why? we are given no explanation for such a fundamental shift in the universe's dynamics

[eternal radish]

Maybe they haven't talked about it because it will be continued in the future.

[eternal radish]

Blighted expedition had pirates who found the portals. Maybe the universe waas once static but no longer is.

Atlas malfuctions causing happy little accidents.

[strong bluff]

That has been already happening with the alien factions too. As in the game's lore, Vy'keen are supposed to be at war with sentinels. Yet you never see them fight each other. Yet they even call sentinels on you if you attack their trader or space station. And the sentinels even guard their buildings like factories.
In fact, generally in the lore sentinels are destroying entire civilizations on planets. As we can for example see in the Frontiers content how our settlement eventually gets attacked by sentinels. Yet again, in game these civilisations instead work together with sentinels.

And if you just think that Atlas doesn't make sentinels attack 🏴‍☠️ s, then not only that, but if you somehow are able to get attacked by sentinels and 🏴‍☠️ s in space at same time, they work together to kill you instead of fighting it out in form of free for all battle. And sentinels even don't fight back when 🏴‍☠️ s attack their buildings on planets during planetary raid.

So yep. Sentinels behave completely different in lore than they behave in the game.

And in case of the Outlaws story at the end when you are told to use a fake passport you can actually denounce the 🏴‍☠️ s instead and then you are told that Atlas sent sentinels to the pirate controlled system which you denounced. So the story mentions Atlas trying to destroy the pirates at their systems. But I doubt that in the gameplay anything like that happens.

[haughty fox]

Is there a track that can be considered NMS's main theme song? Its musical symbol?

You know, kind of the same way Proof of a Hero is the musical symbol of Monster Hunter

[fallow marlin]

Whichever music hello games always use for trailers? Not sure which though

[haughty fox]

Supermoon?

https://youtu.be/Nru86VmoEK4

[dull elk]

what does the atlas dying actually mean? does it reset itself when it reaches its end? is manually resetting it like euthanizing it, giving it an early death? or is a reset and a death different

[haughty fox]

Basically, it's about to switch off because its maker abandoned it and it believes resetting will fix it, but it doesn't

It will shut down in 16 minutes, which however are perceived as probably billions of years inside the sim

[dull elk]

so a reset doesnt actually prevent 16

[haughty fox]

No

[dull elk]

youre just doing it cus the atlas wants it

[haughty fox]

Yes

[dull elk]

thanks, i get it now

makes me feel better about choosing to refuse lol

a little bit weird the atlas tells you that it will leave the option open to you after refusing

cus afaik theres no way to actually initiate a reset after that point

[haughty fox]

That's because technically the protagonist isn't going to change their mind about it

I like to imagine that they refuse to reset the simulation because they don't want to end up like Null

[dull elk]

is resetting what null meant when he said he killed to become what he is?

[haughty fox]

Yes

Null would do just anything for the satisfaction of exploring the whole galaxy. First it transferred its mind into an energy core inside a robotic body to become immortal and have time to explore every single planet. Then the Atlas laughed in its face and told it there are multiple galaxies, so Null reset the sim to explore those as well

Now the protagonist scares it because if someone else does the reset it will be erased

[dull elk]

ohh okay

i had some trouble understanding the nuances while playing through the story but that makes a lot of sense

i guess its part of the reason why null is so upset of not being "chosen" anymore, like hes not in control

[haughty fox]

Every traveller is the protagonist of their own iteration of the sim and become NPCs in the next one. So Null was the one called by the Atlas in the sim it reset to keep exploring infinity

[strong bluff]

And the boundaries between iterations broke, so travellers can also meet each other in multiplayer.

[vivid mulch]

@solid citrus yes I believe he dies

[solid citrus]

😦

I liked apollo

[vivid mulch]

There is a line that says “next time I see him he will be dead” or something

[solid citrus]

So we never actually see him physically?

[fringe notch]

How is it I didnt understand the distinction of a anamoly and a traveler tell now.

Finally did a proper review of the ARG.

So.. yeah, that sure put the context of the experiences as a character Im having into a different perspective.

I thought all travelers were anamolies lol.

[haughty fox]

Each traveler is the anomaly in their native iteration of the sim

[neon lily]

I'm trying to recall if this was the point of no return for Apollo

Giving him the coordinates is what kills him right?

But if I don't he gets all mad at me

[solid citrus]

Do I have to reset the atlas to beat the game?

[low egret]

The game doesn't really have an "ending" per se - resetting is the closest to one, but refusing effectively does the same thing quest-wise

So it's really just a matter of if you wanna go to another galaxy or not

[solid citrus]

If I restart, does nada die

[low egret]

Nope! They're in a pocket dimension outside of the regular NMS universe

[neon lily]

;~; does anyone have an answer for my question above

[low egret]

Yeah I think so

[neon lily]

thought so

I mean he dies when I reset anyway right?

[solid citrus]

Wbt my base in the original galaxy

[low egret]

I suppose it's "reset" in the game's lore but you can still go to it and travel between galaxies at will in-game. So nothing will happen to it, don't worry!

When you reset the Atlas you go to another galaxy, but you can always travel back to old ones

[neon lily]

I think of it as the simulation is still going, I'm just thrust into a new one

[low egret]

(Via the portal network)

[neon lily]

and the portals are inter-simulation

:>

[solid citrus]

I refused it, but I can find it again right

[low egret]

If you refused to reset the sim you can't go back and do it again unfortunately

You can go to the next galaxy by reaching the center of one though

[neon lily]

Keep exploring friend! :D

black holes are your friend

[solid citrus]

But didnt the atlas say something that said u could go back?

[low egret]

Yeah the atlas did say something about it but you can't actually go back ingame. Seems like a plot inconsistency, hopefully HG will fix it at some point

[solid citrus]

Wait so resseting just wraps u to another galaxy without touching Euclid?

[low egret]

Yeah

[solid citrus]

What's the rememberance for then if u dont resset

[low egret]

Remembrance is a technology that lets you read certain lore terminals in buildings

[solid citrus]

Oh

Sorry If I'm asking to much but, what's the speed of life for? I have it but have never used it

[low egret]

I've never heard of it before, where'd you get it?

[solid citrus]

When I created a new galaxy

Its where when u put the heart of sun into the atlas

[low egret]

Oh yeah that!

I don't really remember what it does, I'll peek around the wiki real quick

I'd imagine you're probably talking about "Star Seed" - it increases your core health by 1 unit

[solid citrus]

Woops ya

[low egret]

Remembrance also does that, and if you put both of them next to each other you get a third extra health bit

[solid citrus]

But rlly, 1 unit? Lol

[low egret]

Yeah lol

[solid citrus]

Can u visit the galaxy u make?

[low egret]

Completing the atlas path also lets you see black holes on the galaxy map though so that's nice

You don't actually make a galaxy or a star outside of the lore

[solid citrus]

Oh

[solid citrus]

How do u complete it? It just wants me to birth a new star over and over

And I already see black holes without completing it

[low egret]

If you see black holes and have the star seed blueprint you've already completed it

There's a bug where it'll reappear in your quest log sometimes

[solid citrus]

Oh

Thx u for helping me

[low egret]

yw

[ornate obsidian]

hmmmm

I am in the mission where you help Apollo figure out the Monoliths/ teleporting sentinels. Does it make a difference if you witness the glyphs or refuse to?

[neon lily]

This apollo question is still bugging the heck out of me

Literally every time someone online asks the question, it's met with some form of tongue-in-cheek "decide and find out" answer

It's like spoilers = execution

I've played both before, it's just been too long for me to remember

[wraith flume]

well, sometimes people do post in here 😛

it's suggested to play the artemis story line up to the purge, then switch over to the atlas path, as the purge will continue alongside just fine as you warp around

[neon lily]

I know. Do you have an answer for my apollo question?

[wraith flume]

checking

[neon lily]

Does refusing him the coordinates save him, or is that giving to him that does that?

[wraith flume]

no difference, it saves you a bit of dialogue

[neon lily]

Oh. Okay.

:(

[wraith flume]

it just postpones the moment he tries to use a portal

or something

[neon lily]

I should have given him the coordinates to see the dialogue then

oh well

piss off my new friend or potentially kill him is a bad choice -_-

[wraith flume]

if you do give him the coordinates you get some more interactions sprinkled in between the other actions with null, IIRC

there is little to nothing you can screw up in this game

there is no game changing decision anymore pretty much

no content is precluded based on your choices in the end

[neon lily]

Games are where I come to destroy my current existence. As such, any thing I do has meaning, even if the game is designed to limit it. >_>

[wraith flume]

even if you decide not to give birth to a new star at the end of the atlas path, you still have another shot at it anytime you find an atlas interface

[neon lily]

Otherwise I'll remember that in the morning I have to go back to my dumb job too quickly :^)

[wraith flume]

life, the thing that happens when you're trying to get some gaming done

[neon lily]

You know, on one hand, I really feel for the Atlas

It's going through an existential crisis as much as Travellers are

But it's really just running code, isn't it? Who created it? That's what I want to know. It's a powerful machine, but a machine nonetheless, and machines are not created by themselves.

Oh that's who created it.

I just went down a trippy lore hole

Curiosity since I haven't played since, like, Beyond...is there anything else I could do lore-wise or quest-wise in the starting galaxy before finishing up with Atlas Rises/Purge?

[solid citrus]

Who

[neon lily]

Read the wiki on it

It's a rabbit hole...super great story. The novelization is something I would so read.

[solid citrus]

Im too lazy, I'll look into looking into it

Lol

[neon lily]

|| Basically it was created for the specific purpose of creating its own realities, and each species had their own little multiverse machines like the Atlas. The Atlas was abandoned on a world and eventually began malfunctioning, counting down to its own demise. You can also read a lot of this at space stations with level 3 atlas passes ||

Huge spoiler.

[solid citrus]

Howd u get that

I've beat the game and never saw that

[safe kiln]

remembrance terminals

[strong bluff]

They are broken now though.

When you choose to do a certain action with them, they say nothing more.

[pallid stump]

This is some of the creepiest shit I've read in a video game.

[strong bluff]

Had that story too. And so know what is also creepy? That probably a green jellyfish was cause of the voice. As it was the only alien creature I have encountered in that Derelict freighter. Unless the Freighter was instead haunted by the murdered priest.

Though that reminds me one thing in Derelicts - the dangerous thing which caused the death/escape of the crew not interacting with player. Imagine for example rogue AI leaving someone in the Freighter analysis pdas about you, trying to scare you off. Or that mentioned voice above trying to somehow kill you/lure you into a danger and you would have to resist it. But sometimes there could be a thing which could appear dangerous at first, but would actually help player somehow if he would cooperate with it. So there would be more difference.

[pallid stump]

I do wish the stories factored into what you encounter on the ship.

[wind panther]

Probably already posted, but the next set of community rewards is three posters, three of these, though I'm not sure which three. I'm sure someone else can narrow it down:

[muted moth]

top right and middle second from the top, I think

those look like ones I don't have yet

[uncut harness]

I would agree

Not sure about the both on the bottom

[muted moth]

one is from the most recent expedition I think, and the other I don't remember where I got it but it is also recent

or maybe I don't have it yet (the leftmost one bottom)

[icy citrus]

That one with the 3 races, anyone translate that? Lol

It's nice

[muted moth]

"beyond best friends"

[strong bluff]

I like how HG created their own alphabet for the game.

[icy citrus]

[uncut harness]

Friends under the Vykeen logo

Glad to see HG having some sense of humour

[wraith flume]

@swift torrent here please

have you completed the Artemis Path?

[swift torrent]

i havent on this game save yet

do i need to first?

[wraith flume]

that's what will let you choose to reset the simulation

that's not the atlas path

the atlas path never lets you hop galaxies

so, either complete the artemis path

or just spam the first glyph in a portal to get close to the core of the galaxy

then just warp through core

if all you need is to go to another galaxy

[swift torrent]

all i need is the title, my main save ive been to every galaxy lol the title is all i want

[wraith flume]

what does the title require from you exactly

[swift torrent]

there are two identical titles called "timeless" and one is for choosing a new galaxy like eesentiem, and the other is "to refuse the atlas" or something like that

[wraith flume]

probably it's refusing to reset the simulation then

and that happens at the end of the artemis path

[swift torrent]

yes! that

[wraith flume]

so, gotta buckle up and do the full artemis path

[swift torrent]

my man i really appreciate the help lol

[wraith flume]

yw

[swift torrent]

while i have you, the only other title i need is the "Traitor" title if you know how to get that one

[wraith flume]

I'd do the same thing you'd do 😛

"nms traitor title how to" or something, in google 😛

can't really remember the 200 titles this game has

and probably I'm lowballing the number

[swift torrent]

Well i appreciate your help regardless bud! lol these titles are all i have left to do in this game haha

[icy citrus]

Denounce the voice of freedom

The outlaw mission

[wraith flume]

there! look! a red name! has to be one of those pirates!

[swift torrent]

Yes! i tried to denounce once before and it didnt work, im not sure what i did wrong

[wraith flume]

get them!

hides

[icy citrus]

[wraith flume]

pews

[wraith flume]

@reef oriole here

the Heart of the Sun is the last seed in the set of 10 seeds that the Atlas Path teaches you, resetting the simulation, hopping galaxies or completing the Artemis Path have nothing to do with the Atlas Path and that Heart of the Sun - the only connection there is that to install the Remembrance (the tech you get out of the Artemis Path) you need the Heart of the Sun

[reef oriole]

ah my bad sorry i shouldve come to this channel first

[wraith flume]

np

all clear now?

do you have any seed unlocked at all?

[reef oriole]

yeah makes sense, so i do the atlas path storyline now

no i only played through the artemis storyline

[wraith flume]

okay

so you need the Heart of the Sun for the Remembrance?

[reef oriole]

yeah

which im not even sure what that is

[wraith flume]

it's a tech you install in your suit

[reef oriole]

but what does it do

[wraith flume]

star seed + remembrance side by side in the suit give you 3 more health points

the remembrance on its own allows accessing some terminals behind atlas pass doors

one info: when you get at the end of the Atlas Path, to get the Star Seed tech unlocked, I believe you have to give birth to a new star

since the max health is capped to 9 you may or may not care about such health

and you may not care about the lore you could get out of interacting with the terminals that require the Remembrance

so it really is up to you

[reef oriole]

alright thank u for ur explanations

and so in the game there are two storylines right, artemis and atlas path?

and then all the side missions and lines that i can do too

[wraith flume]

technically the story line is only the Artemis Path

sorry, typo

[reef oriole]

ah okok

[wraith flume]

the Atlas Path is really linear and short

[reef oriole]

ah okok i see

[wraith flume]

has its own "story" so to speak, but it's not "the" story as it's normally referred to by the community

[reef oriole]

ah alright, and after the atlas and artemis stories or not so stories, then its just free open sandbox to do whatever with no story or path right?

[wraith flume]

correct - keep in mind that the atlas path is bugged at the end, in the sense that it will never permanently go away from your mission list

it may pop back up again just getting near an atlas station

but you'll know you'll have to ignore it

otherwise all you can do there is pop in another heart of the sun and give birth to another (non-existing) star - just spacefluff really

you'll have to craft the full set of seeds twice - once for the atlas path, one for installing the remembrance

[reef oriole]

alright i see, and the "the space anomaly" mission will always stay too?

[wraith flume]

that will always stay there as well

[reef oriole]

ugh thats annoying ahah

[wraith flume]

just like the exploration secondary mission that appears on any planet

yeah

you'll learn to live with it

same as the base computer quest

that will never go away either

[reef oriole]

and the new beginnings quest will also stay forever im guessing?

[wraith flume]

correct

that's the "parking" quest that you can select not to have anything in your bottom right corner

[reef oriole]

ah okok i see, and so i picked the green galaxy, is it possible to ever go to the other galaxies or no?

[wraith flume]

you can easily go to all galaxies

!starcablink

guess the command won't work here

run that command in #bot-spam

[reef oriole]

alright

[wraith flume]

see if it works for you

[reef oriole]

i dont think it worked

[wraith flume]

sure it did

[reef oriole]

the server?

[wraith flume]

it's the link to another discord server

yes

[reef oriole]

ohh

[wraith flume]

there you can ask for a ride to any other galaxy

you'll have to be patient till someone is available

but works

or you do core jumping to go to the next galaxy in sequence

just make sure you keep a base in each galaxy you visit

so that you can hop back and forth as you please

and we're done with the spoilers 😄

[reef oriole]

ohhh thats cool so people can take u to other galaxies then? thats pretty cool, thank u for all ur help

[wraith flume]

yw

[supple anvil]

Seems bugged tho

[wraith flume]

can you screenshare? we can tackle that in the voice channel

otherwise we discuss that here

[supple anvil]

Yeah what vc

[wraith flume]

your pick

[supple anvil]

GoLive 1 sure

[wraith flume]

k

[solid citrus]

What happens if u let the atlas kill u?

[heady wyvern]

The conversation carries on.

[sleek valve]

"Go visit your old friends in the Anomaly" ... but they just stick their fingers in their ears and go "la la la" .. .what's the point

[eternal radish]

Nada and Polo choose to ignore the truth 😭

A few days back I read some monolith logs about Gek history. The Korvax nanites caused the Gek low spawn to overthrow the higher spawn.

I have a theory that the First Spawn Gek of higher castes or "spawns" were taller and that the small Gek we see today are the low Spawns who took over and who probably have always been that small.

Just like how worker bees are smaller than queens.

[fathom ruin]

Maybe it's also why you can only use the first spawn helmet as an anomaly, it might be suitable for their height

[brisk skiff]

What does resetting the simulation do?

And do I get something from doing it?

[muted moth]

a new galaxy is generated from the ashes of the old (in reality, all of these galaxies are procgen and not newly created, and other players have explored them too, but that's the intent of the narrative I guess). you will be left on a random planet in a random system there

[brisk skiff]

Do I lose my stuff?

[fathom ruin]

your tech will be broken but youll keep it

[muted moth]

any tech in general suit or ship inventory will be broken

so use a ship with little to no tech in the general inv, move critical tech in the suit to the tech slots

additionally, all tech in your multitool will break

so switch to a crap multitool before the reset

lastly, bring a pile of repair kits, and you'll be set

[loud snow]

yes

[wraith flume]

you're not done with that yet

you need to go see the final atlas interface

you may want to do this right away and get rid of the pending conclusion

[loud snow]

searching for the ||leyline porale rn||

[wraith flume]

no need for spoiler tags here

that's the whole point of the channel 😛

[loud snow]

trueture

[wraith flume]

just grab manual save before finishing this part

as you may want to go back and prepare yourself differently according to what you'll choose

if you have no idea about what's about to happen, you may want NOT to read anything else about it

and just experience it

you can reload your manual save and just go back to pick a different option or do something else instead of completing it

you can postpone

[brisk skiff]

The portals with the glyphs?

[wraith flume]

nope

[brisk skiff]

Oh

[wraith flume]

hopping galaxies

[sleek valve]

@brisk skiff travel through the galactic cores

[brisk skiff]

Oh wow

[sleek valve]

and iirc possibly black holes?

[wraith flume]

or completing the artemis path and choosing a specific action

[brisk skiff]

Black holes so far have only damaged my ship

[sleek valve]

ok there you go then

[wraith flume]

yep, only the ship, and randomly

you can pass unscathed as well

[brisk skiff]

I hope that happens to me more often

But wow, I can hop galaxies?!

[wraith flume]

core jumping damages all tech in the suit and ship general inventories

and all tech in the active multitool

[wraith flume]

!faq-corewarp

[brisk skiff]

Huh, that seems like alot of trouble

[wraith flume]

ah the command doesn't work here

yes, but you can avoid it

just use a burner MT

keep the tech in the Tech tab

[brisk skiff]

Is hopping galaxies the same as resetting the simulation?

[wraith flume]

for the sake of this damage, yes

cause resetting the simulation throws you in a new galaxy

[sleek valve]

i also use a burner starship and do the hop using my freighter

[wraith flume]

the above work as well, yes

or a living ship I believe

those are immune

[sleek valve]

living ship has a lot of tech slots

[brisk skiff]

Is there a way to return to a previous galaxy? Or once I hop its a one way trip?

[wraith flume]

nah

you can go back and forth as you wish

[sleek valve]

you can warp back to any visited station or any base you built on the previous galaxies

[wraith flume]

with base computers and stations and whatnot

you can also get rides to other galaxies just fine

[sleek valve]

plus Nexus missions often shoot you back to Euclid

[wraith flume]

there's an entire discord server dedicated to that taxi thing

[brisk skiff]

Oh wow

This game has a lot more depth than I thought

Its so cool

[wraith flume]

indeed

and for the kind of stuff they pulled off, the game isn't even all that buggy

and not even all that crappy as performance

it's quite good

[brisk skiff]

I dont think I have encountered a bug yet, at least one that I noticed

[sleek valve]

i play on a potato. i probably dont see as much plantlife as the rest of the population, but it's smooth and looks "good enough"

[wraith flume]

fingers crossed - but keep saving 😛

yep, they nailed the settings levels to let even weaker rigs play it

but we're going off topic from spoilers 😛

[brisk skiff]

I just struggle to keep playing, I dont know what to do anymore. I finished the story, got a great ship and multitool, now what?