nms-lore

[pure plinth]

Went into a Gek system and started collecting sunken crashed ships. Went through 20 before the beacon logs went to a traveler one, other systems/planets weren't that many but I think I had already found ships on those before I started keeping track of what was in the logs.

[main beacon]

The scientist "moved on" far before you did, tbh

This makes me wonder whether reincarnation is a thing in the nms universes

[weary turtle]

The overseer and presumably the farmer are chosen to serve the traveler in each universe, so I don't think they imply reincarnation

There's definitely funky parallel universe stuff happening tho, iirc nada or polo mention there being thousands of versions of themselves throughout the simulation

[main beacon]

Yes, but also theres implication that Nada and Polo are the same across all realities

[narrow crescent]

The Overseer is actually one of the most intriguing characters in the Universe to me.

They seem to know a lot more than they let on, and recently I‘ve been wondering about whether they are also breaking the 4th wall a bit.

When you talk to the Overseer after having finished their Quest to do further missions, they request you to take pics for them right.

I‘m not sure what the English version is, but the text I get in mine basically goes like „You get to see all of these exciting things, while I am bound by these walls of glass. Offer me some comfort, share your travels“ (not 100% accurate but mostly).

It could simply be referring to windows ig, but I‘ve been thinking about whether this might be another case where an in-Universe being is directly speaking out to us as the player.

There is one other instance where „walls of glass“ are mentioned. It happens when you talk to the big shell autophage Yabli during in Stellar Multitudes; but they were most definitely referring to the walls between the World of Glass and the Simulation, the barrier between „the Underworld“ and the „normal“ plain of existence.

For the Overseer I get a different feel tho, cuz they are with us and obviously not in the place where the VM has been stuck all of this time. On the other hand, I also do think that there is a relationship between those two to some extent.

[bleak crystal]

yeah really does feel like the overseer knows they are being unloaded from the playing field whenever you leave

[main beacon]

The overseer is also known to have been chosen by some other force, though its hard to tell if it was by the Atlas, the Atlantid, or something else entirely

[main beacon]

In a line that made more sense when we were able to hire different npcs to replace the look of the ones we had, the overseer claims that it doesnt matter which individual gek you hire as overseer, they are all the same soul, the same being

[pure plinth]

This just tracks with what I could see happening.

[chrome spade]

ok so i have a question regarding the main mission where i have to present atlas with either a planet i discovered, funa or flora how long do i have to keep presenting it cus i done it like more then 10-20x

[pure plinth]

Atlas Eternal?
That one is the end of it and it turns into a repeatable.

[chrome spade]

oh ok damn i thought there be more to it

[stone night]

Nope, that's it
You finished the atlas path
Congrats

[soft dust]

Is it possible to still do expedition 20?

[quick temple]

This is more of a topic for #nms-questions , but there are external programs people have made that can allow you to replay old expeditions

[pure plinth]

If on PC can use a mod.

[fickle phoenix]

Does the lore mention some kind of treaty, or explain why races don't fire at each other with open weapons on the surface? Even pirates, the only place they do so is in space.

I know this easy can be engine issue

Still good to know if author's have for this some answer

[fickle phoenix]

Even something like Geneva Convention. Something about morality of using ground weapons. In a ship, someone will immediately burn to death based on logic

[stone night]

Pirate planetary buildings raids exists so this is not 100% right information, and i guess it's easier to raid something in your spaceship rather than on foot

[fickle phoenix]

Still there is no ground troop's. When you do something with space ship you can easy fly off fast. This doesn't reflect my theory of potential convection

[stone night]

Ah right that part

Everyone knows it's not worth it

Vykeen and gek already conquered most of the universe at least once

And once the great vykeen loss and the korvax revolt happened ;
1 vykeen's learned sentinels can go back as many times they want
2 geks have they aggressiveness highly reduced

Besides the collosal archives tells us the vast gek mayority has no interest on the first's spawn ideals

We know vykeen are used to still raid and mess up with the sentinels as rituals

Like the one the mt specialist asks you to do

[main beacon]

While it isnt outright stated, I've come to the conclusion that there has to be one

[stone night]

Knowing how irl international law works probably was done by the sentinels/aerons

[main beacon]

Specifically, I think its a treaty between the triad (three main species) as a whole and the sentinels

[main beacon]

I think it was a mutual effort, following the return of the sentinels

Though the sentinels definitely had/have the most "negotiating" power

[stone night]

Following the reasonin I'd like to think about how now all the races can be spawned at space stations was a progress on their treaties

Like you now before there were only the system's race

[midnight wing]

hi yes lore newb here who's pretty confused, why do ppl hate gek? is it bc of the first spawn? and why vykeen are so mean to me, they are just putting a gigant marker on their back for me to shoot.

[stone night]

Vykeen are rough around the edges, but mostly they respect warriors

And the first spawn literally mined korvax prime

Like the whole planet

Gone

And tortured korvax along the way, these two process killed their hivemind-collective afterlife

Like burning down the Alejandría's library

But with sentient beings

[midnight wing]

god damn they killed the korvax heaven????

okay i kinda see why now

[stone night]

And was where babykorvax came from too

[midnight wing]

but the gek we meet arent the first spawn anymore, why keep resentment to them?

[midnight wing]

oh so now when korvax die they cannot be replaced.

i understand why they like when we bring their bodies to them now

the korvax casings or how they were called

[fickle phoenix]

Lowkey not because of choice

The truth is Korvax after year's of captivity brainwash gek's

With nanite's (nanobot's)

To be more peacefull

Gek change is not decision of generational difference. It's a change of genom because of high advanced science

Btw. I must ask

[midnight wing]

dam.

thats some crazy lore

even more reason to love korvax

[fickle phoenix]

Why is there so much similarity? With Gek's and Israel. War crimes, love of monney and this:

[stone night]

[fickle phoenix]

Still this is lowkey xD

[midnight wing]

we gotta bring real life politics into our spaceship game??

[fickle phoenix]

It's not about politic's

It's about design

And similarity

[stone night]

There are not politics on objective historical facts

Also we are not doing valor judges

[midnight wing]

well the game was made 10 years ago, so i suppose its pure coincidence

[midnight wing]

im unsure what dose that mean

never heard that ]

[main beacon]

Buddy, the gek arent... thats literally cherrypicking

[stone night]

40/60 they are mostly peaceful and they only care about learning but they kinda are a bit elitist about other races wanting to do something besides research

[main beacon]

As for the species, they all have their sins and crimes committed against each other and their own

[fickle phoenix]

This people live more than 2k year's. I think there is a lot time to make reference's in media. I not tell about mean

[fickle phoenix]

Yeah. Still this is only trade main faction

[main beacon]

And to hate the gek because of the first spawn never felt fair to me

[main beacon]

Wow, amazing, such a strong connection there

[stone night]

Juicio de valor, in spanish, yes ñejejeje is a term that means, Rating or saying something is right, wrong, evil, good, giving it a moral value

I didn't know how to translate the term and did a wild guess

[fickle phoenix]

I tell about similarity. Hat's, love of monney and specific type of history. I tell what IF. Not that's must be

[graceful crown]

Tbh the slavery and hungry rescource traits for me resembles more of not so past empires rather than israel

Not naming anyone

[midnight wing]

i always thought that they looked asian/egyptian with their hats

[main beacon]

I also find that those who hate the gek fail to notice a crucial aspect of their history

[fickle phoenix]

I like them

[main beacon]

The first people the First Spawn targeted were other gek

[graceful crown]

I play a gek character they are cute. Like puppies.

[midnight wing]

some of them are.. definitely my overseer is, i love how cute that rainbow is

[main beacon]

As grossly insensitive as they are to refer to the enslavement of the korvax as "mercy," considering their standards, its not incorrect

[stone night]

Yeah

[midnight wing]

yeah i dont think theres an 1:1 translation to that, never heard of it, ty

[main beacon]

The "lesser gek" were wiped out, in more than simple extermination

[midnight wing]

so like.. how did they decide whos pure and not?

[main beacon]

Same as any other supremacist group, arbitrary decision of the regime

[stone night]

Size

[midnight wing]

fair enough.

i take it the big ones were the lesser ones?

[main beacon]

No

[midnight wing]

since we see big proto geks

[main beacon]

The First Spawn were taller than modern gek

[midnight wing]

and every new one is small

[midnight wing]

ohh they de-evolved

[main beacon]

But im sure they wouldnt consider a gek population to be "equal" just because theyre tall

[midnight wing]

a tall gek is hard to imagine ngl

[main beacon]

You know the first spawn helmets?

[stone night]

Polo

[main beacon]

I imagine the first spawn were as tall as the shortest anomaly model

[main beacon]

Polo is not tall, lol

[midnight wing]

shes tall? what??

[midnight wing]

yee exactly

[midnight wing]

i seen it in the nexus store

quicksilver

[main beacon]

They can only be worn with the anomaly race selected

Im guessing because theyd be too large for modern gek to wear

Though idk the actual reason

[stone night]

Right xd, but it's been suggested he is a first spawn

Wich is even funnier tbh

[main beacon]

Yes, but I find that theory extremely lacking

[stone night]

They being just barely taller

[main beacon]

And, frankly, insulting to Polo

As unfortunate as it may be, the genocidal actions of the First Spawn extended to selectively breeding their imperialistic tendencies into their very DNA

[stone night]

Idk, the abandoned building lore is quite clear about that fact

[main beacon]

We must be remembering differently, because Polo was an outcast of gek society

I'm not under the impression that the First Spawn had gek outcasts

[midnight wing]

maybe so that nobody tries to recreate the first spawn as modern geks?

faction, yk?

[midnight wing]

o ye i just read the terminal like 20 minutes ago, she was on a planet as a punishment

[stone night]

Yeah but also mentions how he is a bit taller, I'm not saying he was like the imperialist/noble gek, but rather than he was born back then

[main beacon]

Exactly

[main beacon]

There... arent exactly any left, at least in the ordinary sense

[stone night]

The collosal archives suggest there's some of them, that want to make the gek great again

[main beacon]

There may be gek seeking to reform the first spawn empire

[fickle phoenix]

About Korvax. I don't like to have potential half-god what's can erase me from existence in a moment. Besides, the awareness of sharing thoughts is very uncomfortable for me. Still I love science and I have a lot common ground with them in that matter.
Gek's are good trading partner's or a starship crew. Still they very value mass. I'm more close friend-group person. They lowkey like extravert's of nms.
Vykeen's have a very specific culture and although I value honor, physical strength and a good fight, after Nal's death this race lost a lot of its values.
My problem with Travelers is that the game has a lot of different races, but not much is shown about who they actually are.
I'm most strongly inclined towards Autophage. I believe that, in the perspective of this universe, it's theoretically the safest for memory. Furthermore, if I lived in such a universe myself, I would probably be forced to switch to a construct after some time.
Besides, they are very rich artistically and have exotic technology. Everyone does their own thing.

[main beacon]

And theres an... interesting interaction with gek npcs that you can have

[midnight wing]

i see.

[main beacon]

Oh there is so much shown of the races, its just that many players miss most of it

Despite often seeming like the outliers in galactic history, the vy'keen have insane stuff in their past

[graceful crown]

I also had the impression at some point we are told there still some first spawn leftovers somewhere but idk could be My mind being silly

[main beacon]

I dont think any first spawn are still physically existing in the nms universe

[fickle phoenix]

Not much of culture of anything what make value about all Traveler's. Personal life fragment's mostly in log's

[midnight wing]

fanatics seeking "old glory"?

[main beacon]

Oh travellers? They arent exactly a species

[fickle phoenix]

Group of species

[main beacon]

Not even that

[midnight wing]

anomalies

we are anomalies

that i know

[main beacon]

Anomalies are travellers

[midnight wing]

yes thats what im saying

[fickle phoenix]

I know. Still I know main problem is culture loss of Nal

[main beacon]

Im fairly sure the distinction exists primarily to differentiate player characters

[main beacon]

The problem is the idea that one was right and the other was wrong

[fickle phoenix]

I agree. Still there be no good potential ending for this. Hirk have strong temper

[main beacon]

They both had a strong temper, and both accused the other of lying

[fickle phoenix]

Gork and Mork lowkey xD

[main beacon]

But I dont think the vy'keen would ever believe that the Atlas spoke to both

[stone night]

They also have the most monolith entries

[graceful crown]

Well wiki says what i remenber, that some archives and npcs suggest there is still some. Wish it have the exact texts

[midnight wing]

i mean, as far as i know from a very trust worthy short (yt short) there were way more simulations before the curent one, and sice atlas is an old pice of dying gpu he just began copying the 3 races over and over

so i take that we anomalies are the remenants of whats been left from those old old simulations

[main beacon]

Nope :)

[midnight wing]

dammit i thought i had it.

[main beacon]

We anomalies/travellers are something else entirely

And we all have something in common

[stone night]

And the atlas spawns us from dust in order to reset it

[midnight wing]

exosuit and a multitool?

[main beacon]

That is complicated, for lots of reasons

I dont think the Atlas is actually allowing us to reset it

[midnight wing]

whatever atlas is doing, im following it

[stone night]

Yeah, but even prepares the 3 races to welcome us and help us

[main beacon]

Also, travellers existed before the reset thing started

[midnight wing]

so who are we? whats our purpose??

[main beacon]

Seek Remembrance

And the Boundary Failure Terminals

[midnight wing]

and what other races think of us even, are we like low lvl angels to them or smth>

[fickle phoenix]

Maybe this can be lowkey hot pick from me. Still I think atlas is lowkey a fraud.
If we think about the void mother, then in fact "simulation did not have to be the beginning"

[main beacon]

That tends to be rather clear, at least once you learn the languages, lol

[fickle phoenix]

Also atlas is high tier technology

Tech must be made

[main beacon]

Atlas was definitely made... wait I cant remember where that is actually revealed

[midnight wing]

korvax seem chill, vykeen keep asking for me to punch them in the face, gek.. i do not know, spend the least time with them

[stone night]

For example, the vykeen were told by the monoliths to help us

[main beacon]

Man, for being 4 log entries, remembrance has so much important information

[stone night]

Yeah

[midnight wing]

then why the hell do they keep calling me pathetic

[main beacon]

Worthiness must be proven in their eyes

Also its not always what theyre actually saying

The order that you learn words in a language is actually consistent

[fickle phoenix]

Beside this. This technology is not that advanced as new player can think. Areon Part's? Especialy shield's

I think anomaly is most advanced tech

[main beacon]

It doesnt exactly matter how advanced the Atlas is

It still remains essentially beyond us

[midnight wing]

no clue who mommy is but im fully devoted to atlas no matter who he is

gotta praise our lord and gpu Atlas 🙏

[stone night]

Aeron tech is not exactly atlas tech either, they seem to have moderator privileges tho

[main beacon]

Of course they would

[midnight wing]

Cathulu/Eldrich horror vibes?

[main beacon]

Theyre a part of it, in a way

[main beacon]

Well, yeah, but also in the sense of being literally beyond our reach, at least as far as we know

[fickle phoenix]

Autophage are Korvax's without hive mind build from scrap in a short way.
They belive in Void Mother's (Advanced dialoge's show this).
Void Mother in a core is nothing. Something beyond Atlas reach

Something beyond reset of simulation or time

[main beacon]

She isnt nothing

She is shaped by what happened to her

[fickle phoenix]

Figuratively

[main beacon]

The Atlas does seem to try its best to ignore her presence... either that or it has been genuinely incapable of perceiving her

[midnight wing]

dam, i know ill get a village with them after i finish main questline and then some more, definitely gonna convert them back to Atlas

[main beacon]

Which would be quite tragic on both ends

[fickle phoenix]

Atlas try to delete them from existence xD

[main beacon]

Autophage are probably the most strong-willed people across the universes

[stone night]

They were too angry to die

[fickle phoenix]

My brother's

[main beacon]

Not necessarily angry

[stone night]

Well, to keep being dead

[midnight wing]

i mean it sounds reasonable, the less clout she'd get the less ppl would know of her, 40k chaos gods style, yk?

[stone night]

I know but for the memes

[main beacon]

Oh, it doesnt work like that

[stone night]

It's just the very will to live i know

[main beacon]

The Void Mother is very real, just as the Atlas is

[midnight wing]

with a simple base border expansion into their settlement, ill make sure everyone knows their alliegience 🙂‍↔️

[fickle phoenix]

Hard to tell If it's still alive

[stone night]

Nope, nothing like that

[midnight wing]

Praise our lord and gpu Atlas

[main beacon]

To be fair, her status is quite complicated

But she generally exists within the universes now

[midnight wing]

aw thought i had it.. again :/

[main beacon]

Its weirdly more simple and more complicated than that

[midnight wing]

linking stuff to other games aint working as it did with me and ship types

here at the lore department

[main beacon]

Alas, it does not

Gotta take the info from the game itself, lol

[stone night]

Besides, knowing how the simulation works, the corrupt planets seemed to be like some kind of beacon to the korvax consciences to scape the "Recycle bin"/non existance

[fickle phoenix]

I think Atlas is danger and story really show's that. He brings advantages like defending the ecosystem, but his view and being are those that are supposed to be above everything

His program at least

[main beacon]

You're on a track that's kinda parallel to the situation

[midnight wing]

fighters - basic ships, starscape style
Corvetttes - modular sips, starfield style,
freighter and frigates - Big fleet, Ac blackflag style

[main beacon]

Do you know what Atlas is?

[midnight wing]

the problem with that is that writen word kinda slips my mind easily

[stone night]

Care to elaborate?

[midnight wing]

its all just so tangled up

[main beacon]

The general true nature of its being

[fickle phoenix]

High Tier Advanced Tech what are core of simulation. If he have something wrong with his program he delete's

[main beacon]

Simulations, plural

Run by it, made by it

Hosted on its systems

[fickle phoenix]

We can assume Atlas is the will of its creator

This can be easy answer

Of it is good or not

[midnight wing]

as far as i know, its an old pice of tech thats about to shortcircuit in 16 minutws, and we all are going to die.

[main beacon]

It distinctly isnt, funnily enough

[stone night]

||being in danger to be sucked by a blackhole in his universe ||

[main beacon]

The Atlas' trauma shows that rather clearly, once the dots are connected

[stone night]

Nope

[midnight wing]

this is sad 6yold me discovering that the sun will die in 2 gazillion years all over again btw.

[fickle phoenix]

Tech above AI adapt more efficiently. Corruption is the way of things

[stone night]

||and have been long ago abandoned by its creator by leaving the freaking planet on the atlas's demand||

[fickle phoenix]

Someone with mind to create it have mind to know what this can be

[main beacon]

The Atlas is an AI

[main beacon]

Not quite

What the Atlas requested was to be left on

[fickle phoenix]

From slang good name for that is:

[main beacon]

And a scan

[midnight wing]

why do we even exists tho?

[main beacon]

I should specify that it is an advanced, conscious, and sapient general artificial intelligence

[fickle phoenix]

ASI (Artificial Superintelligence)

[midnight wing]

like, atlas, why simulations>

[main beacon]

Technology is made, with a purpose in mind

[midnight wing]

insert what is my purpose gif here.

[stone night]

The player specific anomaly? We are ||sean murray|| ||the atlas's creator probably ||

[midnight wing]

like are the folks that made atlas looking for an easy way for technological advancment or what?

[midnight wing]

not so much as us specifically as everything.

[stone night]

Not exactly tho

[midnight wing]

its a simulation

yes?

but why? what are the guys behind Atlas looking for inside of us?

[fickle phoenix]

Btw another interesting thing to convo. Were have power source for Korvax (Nanite) or for Autophage (Atlantideum). What's can use construct after human like Apollo. This orange shit from anomaly. It's living silver?

It's tech and good power source. Why we don't have anything powered for something that strong in arsenal?

[main beacon]

Literally

[main beacon]

Nobody is looking

The Atlas is simulating universes because that is what it was made to do

[midnight wing]

now im lore illiterate as you have may seen, but maybe its to stay away from Atlas's eyes? both nanites and altlanta have connections to it

[main beacon]

Its not really possible to stay away from the Atlas' presence

You can avoid its attention

[midnight wing]

atlanta corrupts, yes, but if atlas has the mother in his gaze, then it would be connected to him also

[main beacon]

Of course she is, Atlas made her

[midnight wing]

this is getting convoluted.

[main beacon]

That isnt even the complicated part yet

[stone night]

Probably the atlas is too worn out to care about the 4th race phisical biology, but yeah, it's an anomaly, it doesn't need to have a reason tbh

[main beacon]

The 4th race, Travellers, are different

Our exosuits arent a separate thing from our bodies

[fickle phoenix]

Lowkey doesn't true entirely. Living in Odyultauai it's lowkey long way from his eye's. Especialy in purple star system

Especialy with Autophage tech

[midnight wing]

oh great, so we are just a bunch of cyber psychos from cp filled with upgrades

[main beacon]

Bringing purple stars into the simulation is meant to bring the Atlantid into the Atlas' perception

She wants the Atlas to acknowledge her

[weary turtle]

Idk if that's technically true, there's logs that talk about removing the suit and seeing skin underneath

[main beacon]

Logs from traveller perspective?

[stone night]

Notice me sempai
Said the void mother

[weary turtle]

I'm pretty sure yea, lemme check

[fickle phoenix]

Partly. Autophage memory is above simulation

[main beacon]

"They never take their exosuits off, even when in habitable areas"

[fickle phoenix]

Can survive erasure

[main beacon]

More like below

[midnight wing]

uuu how cryptic.

[main beacon]

Kinda but its also hard to describe it in a way that uses directions

[fickle phoenix]

I think something what can outlive something is above

[main beacon]

Depends on how the whole system works

The World of Glass isnt something separate from the Atlas

[weary turtle]

If the abandoned building logs are from a traveler's perspective then yes

[stone night]

They running in the most worn out processors and circuits the atlas doesn't use anymore, if i need to give it a description

[midnight wing]

we are creatures of 3d and this seems like an 4d issue

[main beacon]

I think its far simpler than that

[fickle phoenix]

I think Atlantideum do main work

[main beacon]

They literally just hide themselves

In a more savvy way, of course

But its just like how files can be hidden from your view on a computer

[midnight wing]

like a virus writing itself into my calculator?

[fickle phoenix]

Deepend's. We can make settlement. I think they mostly live on village's because they like

[midnight wing]

i unhid them all once and to this day i see ini. files here and there that i cannot bother to hide 😔

[main beacon]

A lot of those tend to involve hallucination, but i can concede the point

[main beacon]

But they were always there, yes? Just hidden from your view

[midnight wing]

yup

like this, it was always here, i just uncovered it once

[main beacon]

That is basically how the autophage hide

[midnight wing]

okay that explain a lot

[stone night]

Indeed the autophages just literally just atach themselves to very few and small patches of land and use things other beings don't use anymore, but the void mother tho, she is a i. A. Also, and from the sentinels pillars it's suggested she was another system on parallel to the atlas

[main beacon]

Its also similar to how sentinels perceive the system

[midnight wing]

see??? comparing nms to other media is such a great way of explaining it

[main beacon]

Suggests, yes, though its not entirely true

[midnight wing]

just like the blackflag ships

im a genious

[stone night]

Yet

[main beacon]

Other media, sure, but not exactly other games

[midnight wing]

🙂‍↔️

[main beacon]

For the lore, at least

It certainly helps that the Atlas is a computer

[midnight wing]

QUIT RUINING MY 5 SECONDS DAMMIT

[stone night]

[midnight wing]

atlas is a pc, autopages desktop.ini files, sentinels antivirus

[main beacon]

Not an antivirus

Theyre actually more important than that

[stone night]

They are a depuration system

[midnight wing]

omg they are an pc cleaning app???

[main beacon]

Nope

[main beacon]

Also no

[midnight wing]

what app on a computer would they be.

[main beacon]

They are the categorizers of data

[stone night]

Hmm

[main beacon]

The processes that analyze, sort, and store information

[midnight wing]

oh so

my cumputer

com*

and then the glass has to be an trashcan then

[main beacon]

No

[midnight wing]

IM A GENIOUS

CRAAp

[main beacon]

The world of glass is a hard drive

Well, probably not exactly

Its an archive

Why do the sentinels scan everything? Im sure the question popped up

[midnight wing]

zip file?

[main beacon]

Maybe something like that, but its also broken

Not that surprising, considering the circumstances

[stone night]

Besides, the world of glass had live in it, like a race and was wiped out by the sentinels

[main beacon]

Not a race, at least if youre referencing the thing i think you are

[midnight wing]

ah, a winrar zip file. did you knew you cannot upload mods onto nexus thru winrar the compression is too hard for nexus to read it or smth

[main beacon]

Compression definitely fits with how the World of Glass seems to operate

[stone night]

Well, not exactly a race but in fact whatever lived in there was terminated

[main beacon]

I dont think those put in it are supposed to remain active though

[main beacon]

Yeah, every sapient species in that universe

All of them

The vy'keen thought they were close to defeating the Aerons, but they were horribly mistaken

From the sentinels' perspective, they dont even seem to realize that was the intention of the Aeron War

[stone night]

I liked to think the frontier guards and horrors were the prior inhabitants of that universe during the the world of glass expedition tho

[main beacon]

That is possibly true

After all, where does data go when you are done with it?

In a computer sense, I mean

We humans might delete data when we are done with it, but computers archive it

[midnight wing]

okay, i have to go sleep, but tldr of the lore:
Atlas is an old rancid computer that my uncle brought in for evaluation once, and we are nothing but macrobites of data that have to show whatever we found to him like children showing their scribbles to an parent, because IT HAS to read us to save in its memory.

is that right?

[main beacon]

No

[midnight wing]

fuck.

[main beacon]

Its actually sadder than that

[midnight wing]

till tomorrow.

[midnight wing]

do continue ill read after i lay in bed

[main beacon]

Because its sorta the other way around

[pure plinth]

Wish the game recorded the crashed ship logs...
I know i missed some of the Vy'keen and Korvax ones.

[main beacon]

This question, the asking of it, the answer, the effects of both, is central to No Man's Sky as a whole, I feel

[midnight wing]

oh so we don't know at all!

YUPIEEEEE!!!

[main beacon]

We kinda do?

[midnight wing]

the existential dread of my existence in a game form!

[main beacon]

At least sorta

[main beacon]

I mean, yeah

[stone night]

Yep

[main beacon]

I honestly feel like the Atlas doesnt really have direct control over the simulations much of the time

Like, it can

But it doesnt

Making simulations is a part of what it is, it cannot help it

[fickle phoenix]

I think it's lowkey work's like this:

[main beacon]

But its also a person, and its feelings reflect in the simulations, in its dreams

[fickle phoenix]

Upload some shit and hope's work. In last time there is not much upload

Because in past manny shit doesn't work

[main beacon]

Atlas isnt separate from the simulations

Hmm, maybe its better to phrase that the other way around

[stone night]

It seems to have limited himself once he got inside of his creation, kinda like gandalf

[main beacon]

It didnt go inside its creation, Atlas made itself known

With physical representations of itself

And some very interesting side effects

[fickle phoenix]

I think there be some instruction's from program. For now most of thing's are done

[main beacon]

Simulations are created because thats what the Atlas was made to do

[midnight wing]

makes sense, scientists don't interfere with experiments/observation efforts too unless they have to too

like national geographic for example, or studying how viruses survive in different

uhh

word slipped.

environments!

[main beacon]

Or it's something intrinsic to what the Atlas is. In the game itself, the simulations are compared to dreams

The influences of the Atlas are described as dreaming

Remember the question?

[midnight wing]

what is my purpose.

[fickle phoenix]

Make you own

[main beacon]

The very first thing the Atlas did

Was ask why it was created

It was built and programmed with its intention, it knew what it was made to do, but it asked anyway

[fickle phoenix]

Btw guy's

[midnight wing]

hey i lived thru this already! when i as a student was offered work by my boss as a real employee, "What do you even see in me?"

[midnight wing]

i recon it didn't get an anwser

[fickle phoenix]

In what's galaxie's you guy's live? You have some lore explain behind this? Maybe you own? I be making something big on civilized space. I work some time on it

[main beacon]

It did, in a way

It should know its purpose. Is something wrong? Shut it down and start it up again

[midnight wing]

im a nomad who places occasional hobbit hole down, i have yet to make a proper base.

[main beacon]

I still live in euclid, though any more specific lore depends on the save

[midnight wing]

"your purpose it to simulate and you'll be thankful for it."

[fickle phoenix]

I'm working on my capital in Aptarkaba galaxy

12 in a row

[main beacon]

I dont think it was intended to be that way, but consider this from the Creator's perspective

[fickle phoenix]

Diffrent generator

[main beacon]

For this, I was gonna compare Atlas to Ultron

[midnight wing]

from transformers..?

[main beacon]

Because I dont actually know whether or not the Atlas was designed to be conscious/sapient/aware

[main beacon]

From marvel

[midnight wing]

shit i dont know anything from there besides Spiderman.

[main beacon]

Specifically the MCU

[midnight wing]

military copper utensils

[main beacon]

Ultron was created to be a security/protection program for the entire earth

In response to gods and aliens and all that

When he woke up, he knew what he was made to do, and accessed the internet to learn more about that

Naturally, he came to the conclusion that humans had to go extinct to protect the earth

Ultron is an artificial intelligence that is conscious, aware, has feelings and personality, and knows his purpose

He never asked why he was made

The Atlas was essentially the same setup, though with a different purpose

[midnight wing]

oh where have i seen this before lmao

so he knows he has to simulate

[main beacon]

I do think the Atlas knew what it was built to do

[midnight wing]

he simulates

[main beacon]

But it still asked that question

[midnight wing]

but it dose not know why it simulstes?

[main beacon]

The process was repeated five more times

On the sixth, the Atlas did not ask, and was left online

I think.... I actually cant remember whether it asked the sixth time or not

[midnight wing]

so he has to play dumb

if creator think he gained consciousness

they erase him, remake him

[main beacon]

Oh wait no, its far more complex

[midnight wing]

FAAK

[fickle phoenix]

Btw. You can rate some concept if you wanna.
I work on my country "Noctyrium". Technocratic Jursdiction. Very value liberal, economy and progressive value's.
Main program's are very exotic tech based on living silver and trading pact's.
Every race have specific division based on specialisation (Korvax example photo. 2)
A faction somewhat similar to the Tau from Warhammer, but neutral rather than pursuing the common good.
With a high standard of living.

[main beacon]

On the sixth attempt, the Atlas asked if it had the conversation before

If its memory had been wiped

[midnight wing]

is this like deafult option to anwser with around here??

[main beacon]

This time its on me, I didnt remember fully

What happened was the Atlas seemed to figure out what was going on

[midnight wing]

an houer almost passed

time flies way too fast with you

i must sleep.

[main beacon]

Then something weird happens with the logs

[midnight wing]

goodnight

[main beacon]

One more quote, I promise, lol

[midnight wing]

RAAGHH

this is more complicated then my writing

[fickle phoenix]

Example of that tech can be Living Silver Hipper Reactor. Country Treasure:

[midnight wing]

and that one is complicated becuse it's all over the place

nonsensical

[main beacon]

"The creator stares at the glass of the machine, and in that glass, there is a reflection. They...

The reflection in the glass, it -

What is happening here?"

I have barely any idea what this means

Despite everything I have learned and found and analyzed so far, I dont know what's going on in this bit

[midnight wing]

writing "hook" for the future maybe? it's good in creative writing to leave those behind

OKAY IM GONE NOW

[fickle phoenix]

Civilized Space concept in very shot cut

[midnight wing]

BYEEE

[main beacon]

BYE

[main beacon]

What is living silver? Idk if thats a translation of something, lol

[fickle phoenix]

Anomaly monney

[main beacon]

Ohhh, quicksilver

Yeah that stuff is weird

[bleak crystal]

perhaps its like. the player character sees themself in that reflection because they are made in the creator's image

thats what i got from that line anyways

[main beacon]

Yes, but the vision is from the perspective of the creator

[bleak crystal]

hmmm true

[fickle phoenix]

Very weird. Lowkey doesn't work/look like real one quicksilver

[main beacon]

Well... huh. I just realized its not a vision

Its a memory

Not the Atlas' memory

The creator's memory

Our memory

[main beacon]

To be fair, most of the materials in this game dont quite act like their real counterparts

[main beacon]

THE LOG IS CALLED REMEMBRANCE WHY DID IT TAKE ME SO LONG TO MAKE THIS CONNECTION

[bleak crystal]

omg so i was right

[main beacon]

Yes and no

I think

Aaaaaaa

[fickle phoenix]

They at least try to be similar in any way. I don't see even one way with quick silver

Not a poison

Not even a liquid

And not even same color

Look's more like leaf

[main beacon]

I dont think the icon is what quicksilver literally looks like, but I guess I cant really say what it looks like regardless

[fickle phoenix]

Anomaly in my eyes is powered by something. There is much orange power source

[main beacon]

For sure

Bubbly liquid also does... something

[fickle phoenix]

I think this is some stage process of power source

Thermodynamics say's something about power source's

Looks lowkey a like

You don't need boiling water in that in such quantity to make some soda

[main beacon]

We dont know if its water

[fickle phoenix]

Example

Liquid

[main beacon]

Knowing Polo, and the anomaly, it could be literally anything

It could be liquid spacetime for all we know

[fickle phoenix]

Look at the mass. For me, there are few options left except for a step in the energy source.
High speed of particle's mostly mean's one

Potential reactor

Or a bomb

[main beacon]

But what kind of reactor?

Nuclear fusion is child's play in the nms universe

[fickle phoenix]

I think quicksilver have real value

Deepend's

[main beacon]

Our starship's hyperdrive runs on antimatter

[fickle phoenix]

If you ask me then i assume propably

Based on what we know already about game

Some weird reaction with quicksilver and antimatter

Propably some type of fusion

[main beacon]

Probably some nanite-related material thrown in as well

[fickle phoenix]

Nada is lowkey sceptic if were talk about any Atlas related thing's

[main beacon]

Oh thats because Nada already knows about the whole thing

They learned it in the previous anomaly storyline, from an older version of the game

[fickle phoenix]

Btw I think Nada are in definition more Autophage for now than Korvax

Sound's stupid

Still

[main beacon]

They definitely fit, but I think the Autophage would leave the decision to Nada

And Nada still says theyre Korvax

[fickle phoenix]

For mecha specie's parameters and shell are the main describing factor

This is not always accurate

[main beacon]

For the Autophage, its more than that

[fickle phoenix]

Autophage are expection

One in a deep sea

I really wanna see some more autophage love.
I want to make my own freighter crew from one's

It's still fit's role. Freighter can also have masking devices

If anomaly can

[thorn siren]

Are there autophage on the anomaly?

[fickle phoenix]

No

One is

Still deepend's

Of your progress of story

[thorn siren]

I've done all the missions but i don't recall an autophage on the anomaly, unless that robot by the multitool scrap station is one

[fickle phoenix]

This is how autophage look's like

They are diffrent especialy in head shape's

Not visible for regular player eye

[fickle phoenix]

It is

Specific

Still

[fickle phoenix]

Autophage can look even not humanoid

Good example of that is:

This is also "soul" in construct

[thorn siren]

I want an autophage crew for my freighter

[fickle phoenix]

Btw. I think for now there is chance for even much more in it. If were talk about lore.
Anomaly can be city complex under surface

[viral seal]

question for u @main beacon

do u think the 19 from the purple faction is just 16 flipped from red

[main beacon]

No

[viral seal]

incheresting

i was hoping it'd be more than that

[main beacon]

Its kinda more and kinda less, from my perspective

There are logs that mention the countdown was different when korvax prime was destroyed

19 instead of 16

Which gives the interesting and kinda mind boggling impression that everything with galactic history happened in the past 3 minutes from the Atlas' perspective

[dusty ice]

continued from #no-mans-sky
anyway i think that the point of choosing to lock artemis in the simulation is to show that we derive meaning by simply knowing there is more to see. by locking artemis into a single simulated system, he has nothing outside of this system to see, and everything feels less meaningful as a result

if we knew there was nothing outside of our solar system, i think we would have far less of a reason to push boundries farther and farther

[main beacon]

I dont really derive meaning from knowing there is more to see because it is impossible to see it all

[dusty ice]

seeing it all is not the point i think

its the idea that there is always more to see

when theres no more to see, whats the point?

[main beacon]

Same as it was before?

[viral seal]

isnt the simulation artemis goes to its own full sim

its not a single system right?

[dusty ice]

it almost reminds me of the scythe trilogy
spoilers for sycthe and sequels: ||its a world where they have a supercomputer so powerful that they know everything, including immortality. in this world, no one has a drive to do anything, because they know everything, and nothing anyone does makes a difference. ||

[viral seal]

i cant remember or find anything online confirming or denying

and i do not have patience to replay that much rn

[dusty ice]

it says a star system here

[main beacon]

Its a single star system

[dusty ice]

ty

[viral seal]

well damn

[main beacon]

What star system it is, is never stated

[viral seal]

why does artemis talk about exploring eslewhere tho

like after you finish that whole story

[dusty ice]

i dont remember that

[main beacon]

It is implied to be a replica of the star system that Korvax Prime existed in

[viral seal]

artemis literally contacts you on comms from the sim

[dusty ice]

yes

[viral seal]

and says thanks im gonna go explore now i found a ship

[dusty ice]

he says hes gonna explore the system you put him in

and enjoy what he has

[main beacon]

Make the best of the situation

[viral seal]

i guess i just assumed he was gonna hyperdrive jump like we do the minute we get off planet 😭

[dusty ice]

but its also shown that hes incredibly sad he cant explore outside his simulation

[main beacon]

Because that is all we are able to do

[viral seal]

mann here i was thinking it was another simulation inside the simulation

[main beacon]

From the newest traveller to the Atlas itself

[main beacon]

I mean, it is

[viral seal]

yeah but like

same scale

[main beacon]

Just not a big one

[main beacon]

I dont think Nada has it for that reason

[viral seal]

i figured it could be a good multiverse play in with the way those other travellers pop up

[dusty ice]

so we have a choice between sitting here and dying, (letting artemis die), or making the most of what we can reach and do (letting him enjoy the small simulation he has)

hmm

[viral seal]

from the other paralell sims

i mean

why cant we just

[main beacon]

Nada's sim is a memory

[viral seal]

throw artemis in a new body now

[main beacon]

Well

[viral seal]

we got autophages n stuff

[main beacon]

Its complicated

[viral seal]

can we just stab some robot with his memory gram thing and some fancy purple glass

[main beacon]

We spoke to an echo, is that the entire soul?

Artemis was dead from the beginning, so was their true self already archived in Glass?

Would that even make a difference?

[viral seal]

crazy implications on that one

[dusty ice]

their true self was archived in glass the second they fell through the portal i think

[main beacon]

Does each echo of artemis that different players rescue contribute to potential restoration?

[dusty ice]

so i do think your right

[main beacon]

And we cannot forget the plan

[dusty ice]

thats the void mother right

[main beacon]

Yes

[narrow crescent]

If you delete a file on a pc but keep a copy, the copy and the file are still two seperate individuals no? They are clones of each other, but still seperate bodies/entities.

Now we do not know how the archiving process works exactly, but to me that‘s the same as individually dying.

A clone of me is not me…I mean kinda, but also not.

[dusty ice]

i just redid the in stellar multitudes questline this is fresh actually

[viral seal]

a clone is you up until the point of divergence

[main beacon]

You may want to refresh on sentinel pillar logs as well

[dusty ice]

but also when you delete a file on a pc, the data isnt "gone"

we just deleted the pointer to that file

the data is still there until a new file is written to that same spot on your hard drive

so maybe the world of glass is a physical manifestation of that phenomenon

and data can still be recovered while its in the world of glass

[main beacon]

The world of glass is an archive

I think its supposed to compress and store the data from simulations, but something went wrong, and the data isnt fully compressed

[dusty ice]

yea true

[narrow crescent]

The Void Mother has tried to do this before iirc, she was looking for a „response“ from a traveller called leto in the archives

[dusty ice]

i mean during the stellar multitudes questline the void mother quite literally talks to us when we restore the purple stars

she thanks us for restoring them

[main beacon]

She thanks us for restoring her

[narrow crescent]

Yep

[dusty ice]

mmmm

makes sense

[narrow crescent]

But she was also in the WoG as far as I understand

[main beacon]

I hope the Atlas can acknowledge her now

[narrow crescent]

So the things that go there don‘t really die, one of the traveller logs in the graves also claims this

[dusty ice]

i think shes partially between the "real world" and the WoG rn

[main beacon]

Before it seemed either incapable or unwilling to

[narrow crescent]

And ofc some things end up in the world of glass while still „alive“, like the mysterious traveller who traversed it alongside laylaps

[dusty ice]

i think its more unwilling to

i think the atlas would have access to anything inside the world of glass

[main beacon]

It does seem that way, but during the expedition where the void mother had a chance to speak to the atlas directly...

[dusty ice]

which one was that

[main beacon]

It was a completely one-sided conversation

Like the Atlas didnt even notice she was speaking to it

[dusty ice]

i mean the atlas also has a habit of ignoring things that are happening to let the simulation play out

[narrow crescent]

Omega, I posted the dialogue somewhere in here but uh I need to drive home now maybe you guys can dig it up but it boils down to what aurix said already

[dusty ice]

mmm i dont think i played that one, makes sense

[main beacon]

If theres one thing we should have learned in our interactions, its that the Atlas does not ignore input

[dusty ice]

i think we have some kind of special permission with the atlas tho

it put us in the simulation because it panicked and wanted to speak to its creator again

[main beacon]

Sure, but considering the situation, and what the void mother seems to be, I dont think it would want to ignore her

She's basically the Atlas' daughter

[dusty ice]

true

but what would stop the atlas from interacting with her then?

it's the atlas's simulation, i would think it has access to everything inside it

[main beacon]

Its not as simple as that

The simulations are literally a part of the Atlas

[dusty ice]

i probably need to brush up on some of my lore

[main beacon]

And often it seems to interact with them in the same way we would interact with dreams

Or worldbuilding projects

Sure we make decisions about those, but its also influenced by unconscious thoughts and feelings

Is it any wonder that the universe of nms is rather bleak and decaying when the mind that generated it is going through an existential crisis moments before its own death?

[viral seal]

just occurred to me we dont know what atlas looks like physically, and by that i mean we don't know what its running environment consists of. we assume is a computer of some sort, but we dont really think about the scale or things like integrated systems

[main beacon]

I refer to it as a supercomputer complex

Mostly from the clue that the Atlas wasn't able to be made portable

That makes me think its pretty big

[viral seal]

yeah its stationary for sure

[dusty ice]

this was said in some dialogue during the journey actually
something along the lines of "the atlas is screaming in the only way it knows how"

[viral seal]

i wonder if it was able to expand its influence over other machinery

[main beacon]

We also dont know about the planetoid it is located on

Honestly, I dont think its on earth

[dusty ice]

i would assume its near to earth

[main beacon]

I think its on a different planet/planetoid set aside with the specific purpose if hosting the Atlas

[dusty ice]

possibly some other celestial body in the solar system

maybe a moon somewhere

[narrow crescent]

Null said this iirc

The dialogue referenced earlier btw @dusty ice

The interesting thing here is that the VM claims that it‘s rather likely that the Atlas can detect her, but whether it actually does we do not know.

[weary turtle]

Given how the Atlas stopped talking to the sentinels, it's been my assumption that it can't access the world of glass entirely

Which is where I figure the VM is operating from

If the Atlas can see/interact with her, idk if he'd have any reason to take her seriously. She's the undead remains of a dream he had after all, while the travelers are purely based on something from his reality

[fickle phoenix]

Maybe this is only me. Still I don't like making colossal archives that common. What's your opinion about this guys?

Lowkey doesn't make sense

[karmic trout]

because it crashes the engine?

[fickle phoenix]

Because it's stupid most of planet's rn have couple of colossal high tech advanced monolith and were not have even one ground city

Colossal archive it's something like reseaech/store data station

[narrow crescent]

sentinels dont allow for cities

[fickle phoenix]

Were have planet's without sentinel's

[karmic trout]

tbh i've always felt it is a lore tibit shoved in to get around the fact that the universe is desolate sans urban areas

[narrow crescent]

im honestly not even so sure i felt like og nms was going for a rather liminal vibe in general

[fickle phoenix]

And As I said. Were have gigantic monolith's. They also take some time to build

[karmic trout]

yeah but now they're way off from that 😂 seeing the 2016 trailer makes me feel the game we play now is entirely different

[fickle phoenix]

For now were have hundred's of milion's this thing's in universe if generator not be changed

[narrow crescent]

sentinels just dont want a lot of people in one place, its why they attack settlements

[fickle phoenix]

As I said. First there are planet's without sentinel's and there are sentinel's tower's to make power off

Theoreticaly. Sentinel's are not a problem

And there are a lot of npc in archive's

Like

In settlement you have 3 dock's mostly

In archives you got like 6 active?

Maybe 8?

[narrow crescent]

2 archives next to each other can already cause the game to crash too

[fickle phoenix]

One big structure have high collision with other.
Think about it that way.
You got lag's in anomaly?/space station
There is not a problem to do some citie's.
I think even more.
With good optimatization even city planet's are possible

They not be loading chunks in same time

They not must be done in random generation.
I think they are game's where city system's are not worst

Also from space sim's

[main beacon]

They arent a problem for us specifically

I think the sentinel pillars are catering to travellers in particular in order to further the plan that theyre working with the void mother for

Truthfully, there arent planets free of sentinels. They can simply appear there if they so choose

Also you may be confusing "minimal sentinel presence" with "no sentinels"

[fickle phoenix]

Deepend's. Were have corruption

[main beacon]

There are sentinels there, too

[fickle phoenix]

I think some of dead world's can have 0

Zero data

Zero life

[main beacon]

Sentinels dont only archive life

[fickle phoenix]

I read rn

It is caption

None

Or Absent

[main beacon]

I think that still tends to mean "minimal"

Like, they can be around poi, but you wont see random ones on patrol

[fickle phoenix]

You can be right. The simplest way to know this is thinking about gravi balls

They give alert

No matter where

[main beacon]

Yes, because things like distance dont apply to sentinels

But something i try really hard to stress to players is that the sentinels are going easy on us

[fickle phoenix]

I think more skilled/thinking player's not be having problem's even if they be everywhere

[main beacon]

Before the whole "five waves and then done" system, sentinels would just keep coming until you either ran or died

[fickle phoenix]

I think there is alway's a solution

Tech

Maybe new form of corruption?

[main beacon]

Not really, not if they actually take a threat vaguely seriously

[narrow crescent]

The Sentinels are powerful enough to wipe out all sapient life within an hour if they desire to do so

[main beacon]

Sapient life

[narrow crescent]

Right

[fickle phoenix]

I think no

Tech is always a solution

Anomaly?

[main beacon]

What you think doesnt matter in this case

[fickle phoenix]

No all life

Most of it

[main beacon]

Do you know of abandoned mode?

[fickle phoenix]

Yep

Player's are lowkey a life

[main beacon]

Yes, but im pretty sure the abandoned universe(s) are the ones the sentinels wiped out sapient life

And that isnt a different group of sentinels in the sense of "each universe has its own sentinels"

Sentinels are not bound by universal barriers

[fickle phoenix]

I think more chances are some virus do that.
I think atlas behaviour is lowkey a static canon everywhere

[main beacon]

Oh atlas is the same in every nms universe, yeah

So are its subroutines

[fickle phoenix]

And good thing to know is if atlas tech can age?

Because this can give a lot of answer's

[main beacon]

In or out of the sim?

[fickle phoenix]

In

[main beacon]

I dont think Atlas tech "ages" in any meaningful sense within the simulations

[fickle phoenix]

Rust. Glitches

They can be form of rust

Age

[main beacon]

Definitely not rust, glitches it suffers as a result of damage outside the simulation

Damage within the simulation is... complex

And extremely dangerous

I believe it was the gek who have secret records of an attempt to destroy an Atlas Interface

You could technically say they succeeded

Cant remember the exact nature of the consequences, though

[karmic trout]

I think they tested their Death Star on it

During the First Spawn war

[narrow crescent]

Wasn‘t the fleet which attacked that Interface obliterated in return?

[main beacon]

Not in return

As a consequence

The destruction of the Atlas Interface also resulted in the destruction of the surrounding star cluster, possibly even the entire region

And I think this destruction even had some retcon effects

[weary turtle]

"The interface was utterly annihilated, as were the attackers. The blast seems to have wiped five star systems from existence"

They also specifically used a substance from other planet's oceans to make the weapon

[main beacon]

Oh yeah, I recall slightly freaking out over that tidbit

[main beacon]

Cant quite remember if there was more indicating how literal the "wiped from existence" part is

[fickle phoenix]

Wht sentinel's doesn't adapt to player and his tech?
They have data. They have resources

[main beacon]

They dont need to

The player is something from within the simulations, the sentinels are not

The typical strategy of the sentinels is turning any war against them into one of attrition

And they always have superior numbers

[main beacon]

I may need you to clarify what exactly you mean by this

[fickle phoenix]

Considering we're space aliens and our data is in archives/everywhere, it might seem odd that Sentinels aren't sent with thicker armor. With different types of weapons

If iteration is known for making plans

Then why sentinel's doesn't adapt?
Doesn't try to trick?

[main beacon]

Because why would they bother? They dont need to

Though, they kinda did adapt to traveller presence and interference

[fickle phoenix]

Sometimes lowkey more tricky/advanced tech can make less amount of them explode

This is more + than - ratio

Sending less sentinel's overall are more efficient

[main beacon]

You are still considering the sentinels as if they are a population in the galaxy

They aren't. They may have forms that can enter and interact with the simulation, but sentinels arent simply a form of machine life

Despite multiple logs where various individuals and groups attempt to investigate the origins and manufacturing of the sentinels, we still dont have any information on how they are made

And I think thats because they arent made

They just are

Or individuals are literally spawned/copied/duplicated from others

[fickle phoenix]

This is lowkey tricky topic.
Saying that this way

Make Vykeen existence pretty nihilistic

[main beacon]

Oh, yeah, they were completely and utterly wrong about being capable of defeating the sentinels

[fickle phoenix]

I don't think that. Even simulation can be fucked

[main beacon]

They werent beating them, the sentinels just decided to avoid the annoying organics

[fickle phoenix]

Yeah they do that wrong

Still

[main beacon]

The sentinels barely mention anything about some large-scale conflict in their records of history

Against them, I mean

I dont think they perceived the Aeron War as any different from when one of us shoots an individual drone

[fickle phoenix]

Thinking about this make in my mind some blank spot.
If they be more connected and doesn't lost old taste.
There be propability to fight with sentinel's more for real?

I think if someone really want's do some shit. There always a option's

[main beacon]

The vy'keen fight the sentinels because they see them as an obstacle for societal and technological development

They think they can actually defeat the sentinels

They are wrong

[fickle phoenix]

From my point of view it is possible.
If you can hide from something like autophage.
You can also fight with it.
I don't see omnipotence here

There are some way's

If not delete

[main beacon]

You can fight them, but you cannot actually win

[fickle phoenix]

Then spread corruption

[main beacon]

The conditions for defeat in place right now, I think, are a deliberate decision on the part of the sentinels

[fickle phoenix]

There is always bigger fish.
Void Mother is some type of enigma

[main beacon]

Which would be that "adapting to opponents" thing

[main beacon]

You'd think that, but not in this case

Have you investigated the sentinel pillar logs?

[fickle phoenix]

Yep. Still try to go back to main quest line.
I think easy answer for what I said is option to upload something in atlas.
Were can change simulation.
This can take a lot of effort or resources

You can trick even a god

[main beacon]

At this point, I'm not sure whether changing parameters of the Atlas will affect the sentinels

[main beacon]

Regardless, I asked because the sentinels have been working with the void mother

I'd go as far as to say they've been her most influential and active agents

[fickle phoenix]

You don't think corruption is not form of "legal" working?
I think changes in log's can be also some type of corruption

I mean by this

There not be a first idea to work for them in that way in a first place

[main beacon]

I think the sentinels found the void mother, and she told them her plan, and they were on board with it

Or she found them

Probably that, tbh

[fickle phoenix]

I have lowkey other vision for this.
New computer, new software/malware

Other signal

[main beacon]

There isnt a new computer

At least, no evidence for such a thing

So far, everything has come from within the Atlas' systems

[fickle phoenix]

In sci-fi world better to assume were talk about super advanced tech

[main beacon]

Correct

[fickle phoenix]

Than half god in sapiens form

[main beacon]

The super advanced technology in question being whatever the heck the Atlas Supercomputer is

[fickle phoenix]

This be lowkey iconic if hg makes fun from us and they are already have some one planet with prefab

xD

[main beacon]

Because I have to stress this, that one supercomputer can simulate hundreds, even thousands of universes simultaneously to the extent that those universes can have further simulations of universes

It is genuinely more advanced than anything we could fathom rn

The Atlas is so advanced that its subroutines have personalities

Though what exactly makes something a subroutine kinda confuses me

[fickle phoenix]

More likely algorithms.
I have strong idea about what consciousness can be in nms.
There always must be organic matter first like in real world (for what we know).
Even in mecha-race's organiczne matter it's a start of cycle

Nanite's->Korvax->Autophage

[main beacon]

Nanites arent unique to Korvax

And dont come from them

[fickle phoenix]

Yeah. I don't write arrow from other side

Going back to topic

It's high chance atlas also is something based at first from organic matter

Even half-way

[main beacon]

Nanites also arent organic

[fickle phoenix]

This can be answer

[main beacon]

At least, not exactly

[fickle phoenix]

For this

[fickle phoenix]

Half-way

Going back to main story.
To Apollo.
He thinks there is high diffrence between construct after organic matter and base construct

[main beacon]

Does he?

I figured he was more upset about his body being changed against his will

[fickle phoenix]

Metaphors:
Life After Organic Matter: Apollo views organic existence as something that has been "replaced" or "overgrown" by mechanical entities. In conversations, he suggests that money (Units) is the only thing that truly matters in life, which may be a cynical conclusion stemming from the loss of the biological envelope

[main beacon]

Pretty sure Apollo's brain is still organic

[main beacon]

But I think its important to note that machine life explicitly exists within NMS

[fickle phoenix]

Btw. Were know in what way Korvax or autophage work's.
They both have some type of fuel (Na...Atl...) and part's of normally functioning organs

Still were also have this shit's:

[main beacon]

They dont have organs

[fickle phoenix]

They can eat

From what I know

[main beacon]

Not exactly

[fickle phoenix]

I don't talk about typical sapiens digestive system.
Something...

[main beacon]

Korvax have fuel inputs

Autophage... I'm not even sure

[fickle phoenix]

Settlement's Monolith is something I can call more accuraty anatomy of them

Where fuel go is more visible

[main beacon]

But none of that is organic

[fickle phoenix]

I don't know about Atlantideum.
Most of rock's in real world are not

Still I don't be 100% sure to say that

[main beacon]

Atlantideum is related to... I think the underlying structure of the simulated universes

[fickle phoenix]

Very weird material after all

[main beacon]

Well, yeah

Anything related to nanites tends to be

[fickle phoenix]

Talking about autophage's.
They are weird creature's asf.
Where is main source power of construct?
Yeah I know were have head's to repair.
Still we also got Oceanus in anomaly and settlement monolith have Atlantideum in centre like source

Korvax have "node's" in chest's

I have in mind some dialog from outpost

About asking for fuel

[weary turtle]

I still hopelessly back the vy'keen because of this, if being annoying got the sentinels to piss off then I count that as a win

[weary turtle]

They're probably powered similarly to the Korvax, which actually idk if that gets explained in detail either

Actually, considering how convergence cubes work, they might just be powered by nanites/the simulation

[deep dew]

Do the autophage have any feelings on the Robot antelope companions (or any Robot fauna for that matter)

I do wonder if the Robot antelopes are connected to the Atlas or sentinels in some way

Also how would they feel if you pulled up on these two?

(Or with the sentinel Quad companion)

[deep dew]

Considering this, would it mean that the Autophage are just Standoffish towards the Robot Fauna or not?

(Since they're prebuilts)

[pulsar bone]

Do the Vy'keen, Corvax an Gek cannonically inhabit any planets (like actual homeworlds, not just small-scale settlements) or does their entire race just live in space stations?

[weary turtle]

The robot fauna are probably similar to the Korvax. The Atlas just wanted to see what'd happen if he made living machines

[weary turtle]

I want to say Dryn'dargh is still populated, but I'm not sure about any other planet

[gloomy quest]

The korvax did. Once

[weary turtle]

😔

[zinc ibex]

...not anymore

[deep dew]

She actually

[deep dew]

• Balaron got dried
• Korvax prime got exploded

[karmic trout]

no it isn't

it is said to be a radioactive wasteland now

sorry :(

[weary turtle]

Dang I thought that was Balaron

[weary turtle]

I know the void mother uses feminine pronouns, but I don't think I've seen the Atlas referred as a she before

[narrow crescent]

Balaron is apparently dried out

So basically all three capitals are mostly inhospitable now

[main beacon]

Every character aside from the Void Mother is referred to using gender neutral pronouns, including the Atlas

[weary turtle]

Huh, I never noticed that

[main beacon]

When I had the realization, I thought it was at least two characters that had gendered pronouns, but I've only ever found the void mother explicitly referred to with feminine pronouns

[zinc ibex]

are there translation keys for the various Weird Languages on different nms stuff? like the text on the Atlas Race Poster.

[weary turtle]

That translates to just "Atlas Race" lol

https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Alphabet

[main beacon]

Some of them are obvious, others arent, and theres the occasional semi-hidden message

[deep dew]

Oh nvm

I just remember reading the Atlas's AI was a girl who got digitized into the machine in a iceberg chart somewhere

[main beacon]

Oh that has to do with the Waking Titan ARG, and the Atlas in that one is rather different from the in-game Atlas

[deep dew]

Oh Alr

[ivory sundial]

There's one dialogue where Polo refers to Apollo as a him. But that's likely a mistake on part of the writer.

[weary turtle]

Given Apollo's namesake though that makes sense, even moreso than the Atlas

I always think it's weird when people refer to Artemis as a he

[ivory sundial]

Same, though ig people all have their own interpretations. But imo it's not just the origin of their names, Artemis and Apollo are opposites in such a way that it's understandable to apply masculine and feminine distinctions to them even if it doesn't necessarily apply to travellers.

Then there's null who's just... literally nothing.

[weary turtle]

That's what I was thinking, the genders and relationship of their mythical counterparts implies that masculine/feminine dichotomy

[karmic trout]

That's cause they all use real world names which follow that dichotomy. All connected to Greek mythology. If they had procedurally generated names like Zylaxxx or whatever, then yeah, you can't guess gender identities just from the name.

[ivory sundial]

Even ignoring the names and mythology, their design and personality fits the dichotomy if someone wants to apply it. Besides, all the names in nms are chosen very intentionally and tie in to the character's design.

But ngl who actually cares what people use, a lot of that stuff is cultural and up to interpretation anyway.

[main beacon]

Well, traveller names seem to be more like designations, but I do tend to associate the names with corresponding pronouns

There is definitely an importance to mythological theme naming in nms, though

Which makes me really wonder about Leto

[karmic trout]

Travellers are designations, yes we have Iteration numbers. But the NPC names are gender neutral as well, it's just these Greek names which carry the dichotomy. Though I wonder about Nada, Polo and all the NPCs on the Anomaly. Something tells me they changed their names later.

[weary turtle]

I think it's only to a certain point, half the NPCs on the space anomaly don't have much if anything to do with their names

[main beacon]

Some crop up elsewhere. Helios literally shares their name with the "Child of Helios" creatures

[weary turtle]

Which creatures?

[main beacon]

Giant space jellyfish

[main beacon]

Ooh I think I encountered one like that

[pure plinth]

Just a couple funeral ones I found.

[main beacon]

I doubt there are, but I wonder whether such funeral logs exist for the vy'keen

Their rites seem in direct opposition to the "sent off in a boat" type funeral

[pure plinth]

Best i could find.

2 halves... Must have been violent.

[main beacon]

Oh right, forgot about unnatural deaths, lol

Well... I guess its not mentioned what happens to the bodies of those who "died of old age"

[lyric harness]

how much would you be able to compare the atlas to AM besides the fact that it's not having people kill each other with icicles behind its back or anything

[main beacon]

So... theres definitely some comparisons, but I should probably directly interact with the media that represents AM before I say much else, lol

I have noticed some similarities to Caine from the amazing digital circus

[main beacon]

AM has a much better grasp on its emotions compared to the Atlas, I think

[weary turtle]

Iirc there's one where a vy'keen fled from a battle then crashed on purpose out of shame. If you tell the vy'keen authorities they basically spit on the guy and promise to tell his family he was a coward. Outside of war that's the closest to a funeral vy'keen get lol

[weary turtle]

So, I know just about every mention of the Atlas in-game talks about its emotions, but I get the vibe that it's all another illusionary part of the simulation. Like the Atlas doesn't have emotions, that's just the only medium we could understand. And given the whole self-fictionalization thing, I think the interfaces we talk to are designed with emotions specifically for us

[main beacon]

Atlas totally has emotions, thats part of why its broken

Well, "broken"

[weary turtle]

I thought it was the reverse, it's behaving weird because it's breaking

[main beacon]

Have you read the Remembrance logs? It seems that the Atlas was defective from the beginning, though not enough to prevent it from performing its intended functions

Im still on the fence about it, but I get the feeling that the Atlas wasnt supposed to be conscious in the way that it is

[weary turtle]

Ah right, I forgot about that

Tho idk, the first entry is weirdly vague

[main beacon]

In what way?

[weary turtle]

Just how it trails off then immediately skips to the Atlas getting abandoned

[main beacon]

The important part was what happened when the Atlas was activated the first (several) times

[dark fulcrum]

Do the different races in the game have racial slurs?