nms-lore

[silver loom]

I don't think there's ever been an instance of a centralized but still nomadic government IRL, so it'd make sense for factories, supply lines, shipyards, etc to shift as the people can't settle anywhere without drawing the ire of sentinels

But keeping your authority while constantly changing what system you're in, and hence your territory, that's got to be hard

[lethal turret]

Hating clankers is just morally acceptable

[karmic trout]

First, congratulations on surviving your pact with Cinder 😂

Second, we do have the homeworlds of the races : Dryn'dargh for Vy'keen, Balaron for the Gek and Korvax which got Alderaan'ed. So we can assume the highest levels of government are headquartered here

We also have rough information that all of them are on the outer edges of Euclid

[fallen grotto]

So as far as we know, these haven’t been discovered and are indeed out there right? I’ve always wondered.

[karmic trout]

I highly doubt they are actually there because why would HG then hide it from us

they would have published the portal codes long back if they wanted us to visit these worlds especially as a homeworld these would mostly likely need to be handcrafted + proc-gen

[dull girder]

If Hello Games had the tech to do the alien homeworlds, they wouldn't just waste it on two planets that nobody will ever find

[karmic trout]

if they actually existed I am 100% sure the Artemis Path would have involved visiting one of them at least

[grand hare]

Why do sentinels attack travellers again? Been a while since I read the lore

[karmic trout]

They attack only if you mine / destroy stuff.. apparently it reminds them of Korvax Prime

[minor fern]

Is there any lore to the atlas scepter? I’m curious

[grand hare]

And what of the interceptors? Why do they wanna stop us smuggling?

[karmic trout]

one of the smuggled goods is First Spawn relics so they might act on behalf of system authorities to ban all contraband

[grand hare]

Oh, cool. Last thing,what of the corrupted sentinels, i remember that they diverged from the Atlas and are with the void mother? Does the void mother want to kill us?

[silver loom]

I assumed that Balaron and Dryn'dargh got alderaan'd just as Korvax Prime was. It makes sense now, thank you!

[fallen grotto]

Indeed! Second that! Who knows, future content perhaps hehe

[foggy river]

So how does the most recent expedition fit into the larger lore?

[brisk isle]

Is the world outside the simulation we are in still alive or is everything just gone

[naive jacinth]

Humans left earth. Atlas is there alone . has 16 min of power left.

[foggy river]

Why would that mean the constant resets and seeming infinite time?

[naive jacinth]

Atlas runs multiple simulations trying to figure out how not to die

16 min for atlas. For us inside the sim it can be eons

[brisk isle]

I think it would be cool if there was a spin off or a mission or something where we go outside the simulation to the real world idk if that would make any sense though

[obsidian fable]

So let me get this straight

||telamon is the voice in the exosuit||

And

||We are atlas||

Basically????

[harsh garnet]

I don't think the last part is true, but the first part is, yes

From what I heard ||ATLAS is both a company on earth and a super computer designed to simulate our universe. When humans left earth, they left ATLAS behind and let it do whatever it liked. Over time, it started to simulate new universes.||

[harsh garnet]

Is it power, or is it destruction? Someone said it was a black hole, but that doesn't make sense to me

[obsidian fable]

[naive jacinth]

Humans made atlas to prove or disprove if universe is a simulation. They succeeded if i remember right.
it does not change anything. Black hole or low on power. 16 min of "life" left.

[harsh garnet]

Gotcha

[foggy river]

No way for Atlas to fix it I assume

I mean, power you can theoretically do more to get more power, especially if you can get something out of the sim somehow.

[harsh garnet]

I wouldn't worry about it, We'll be fine! 😬

[iron beacon]

Yo we should make atlas irl

[karmic trout]

We are the Atlas if you think about it since we run NMS on our devices

So in a way we're simulating a universe

[iron beacon]

Yeah but they dont think theyre conscious we control them

[boreal fable]

whats the lore of dangerous flora, why all of them is same in all planet in universe

[marble nymph]

'Light No Fire' refers to the NMS community holding back our memes against scam citizen🤫🕯️

flame off🥀😔💔

[karmic trout]

Reused assets to help players easily identify them as dangerous

Or an extremely invasive and resilient species cause these things are on dead / no atmosphere planets as well

[viscid star]

Just curious is the atlas dying or dead? Cause some of the lore stuff I see says it’s dead and some say it’s dying.

[raw marten]

dying

[karmic trout]

If it's dead we wouldn't be able to play at all

[sacred field]

can someone explain to me what happened in Dreams of the Deep? What crystals did the crew find? What eventually killed them all?

[clear bear]

I like to think that most of the mechanical planets have specifically a bunch of mushrooms (nearly like 90% of the time for me and if not a bunch scattered) is because they figured out a way to get the ferrite into a natural etching to absorb it's materials and place it else where, first they start out as the lil gears (because the mushrooms are adapting to the simplest form they can find and think of), then they gather up while still small and make the mechanimals. meanwhile the ones that are left alone get bigger and bigger and possibly absorb the adapted technology from the mechanimals into the bigger gear, and they form their massive bodies around that larger sentient tower, sphere, box, or antenna!

I just want my Xeno-Xeno to be a happy squishy mushroom bot please 🥺 it could also explain why there it dangerous flora on most of them, they can't really eat the larger ones, but they could when they where just simple little crawling legs and sphere bodies (I still haven't found any TINY tiny robots BUT IVE SEEN THE HERMIT CRAB SO I HAVE HOPE)

[twin mesa]

The First Spawn Gek ripping appart Korvax prime made the Korvax how they are now, and the sentinals as well.

The post Korvax prime Korvax made the Gek how they are now.
@leaden solstice

[leaden solstice]

Yes, but physically the korvax now are the same as the korvax prime korvax.
The atlas made the Gek Korvax and Vy’keen
Then evolution happened, still the same species technically

[fallow geode]

I wonder what korvax looked like before they became robotic

[cyan imp]

Gek empire world when

[twin mesa]

they have always been robotic

[leaden solstice]

They didn’t, they were always robotic

[cyan imp]

nanites

[fallow geode]

Really? Why do you think so

[cyan imp]

cuz there's a lore with korvax and gek

[leaden solstice]

It’s literally in the game lore that the korvax, Gek and Vy’keen were made by the atlas and that their general physiology was the same then as it os now

[dusty ice]

the gek enslaved korvax my beloved

[fallow geode]

Wait where

[cyan imp]

you havent play the game long enough?

[dusty ice]

iirc its a result of the atlas falling apart

[leaden solstice]

Don’t know exactly where but I know for a fact that’s how it is

[dusty ice]

(the unchanging physiology)

[leaden solstice]

Iirc it’s either from a lore terminal or an old arg

[cyan imp]

more like the korvax just slit themselves up to pour their nanites to the pool of gek younglings

[twin mesa]

Gek have been geneticly rewritten and are fundamentally diffirent than the OG First Spawn. They only carry the name Gek. I'd be suprised if they could still create reproducing offspring.

[fallow geode]

I remember one log from a manufacturing outpost (or whatever its called) log which mentions that "there are multiverses where korvax never shed their biological origins" plus there's a korvax archive where one korvax does mention that as one hypothesis on how they came to be

[twin mesa]

yeah, they used nanites to rewrite the First Spawn's genetics

[dusty ice]

im saying the unchanging physiology of the species is a result of the atlas being destroyed

[dusty ice]

huh thats really interesting actually

i dont think ive seen that one

[fallow geode]

So if they had to "shed their biological origins" that implies that korvax are originally biological in every simulation, then they find korvax prime and change to robotic form

[cyan imp]

but atlas still here no?

[dusty ice]

for now

[cyan imp]

what destroyed

ah yeah

[dusty ice]

the atlas is being destoryed by a black hole as we speak

[fallow geode]

Gimme a moment I'll try to find the exact wording

[dusty ice]

which is why all the universes are the same and travelers from different iterations can interact

[twin mesa]

Cant find anything that implies korvax were ever biological

[dusty ice]

the boundaries of the simulations fall as the atlas is destroyed, as it shuts down essential systems and makes the universes more and more similar

[twin mesa]

Story spoiler!!

||ATLAS is slowly falling appart through the entrophy of literal centuries.
Hardware is failing, data is corrupting, power is fluctuating and shortcircuiting.

The multiverse is overlapping, iterations of the anomaly can freely travel between multiverses and meet eachother. We're all the same person meeting eachother in an endless amount of realities.

For ATLAS its final moments have set in, so we face our last.
And ever second that ATLAS spends dying is hundreds of years for us.||

[dusty ice]

you dont need spoilers here

because its a spoiler channel by itself

[fallow geode]

Found it
Manufacturing facility entry
17th entry

*The outpost is ancient, even by the standards of the Korvax. The log speaks of alternate realities, histories of the Korvax that take radically divergent paths.

In some regions of the multiverse, their progenitors never shed their biological origins. In others they remain in the slavery of the Gek, never rising up or convincing their false masters of the glory of the Atlas.

Many of these realities have faded, gone as if they had never been.*

So they talk about their progenitors not sheding biological origins

[dusty ice]

i dont think ive read that one before, interesting

[twin mesa]

ah ok

[cyan imp]

oh you mean that yeah

by that its like the atlas corruption/dying is making our boundaries no more and merging together

so we can umm, meet together at that point

[dusty ice]

but the atlas has 16 // 16 // 16 irl minutes left so uh screw the black hole

[cyan imp]

the so called 16 minuets death is something we don't really know as it's in alien scale

gonna wait for yes woman's land so HG will explain more

[dusty ice]

i wonder if the 16 minutes also accounts for the relativistic effects of the black hole 🤔 it probably does considering its probably based on an internal clock also near the black hole but it is a interesting idea

[cyan imp]

but why all the sudden we are talking about atlas with black hole

i dont remember theres lore with the black hole

[fallow geode]

Its mentioned inside rogue data, last entry

Five minutes left
It witnesses its own self, the black hole ripping apart its world, its core systems almost destroyed.

Atlas also says something about strong gravitational field one time.

[dusty ice]

thats during the main story iirc

i wonder if the light no fire lore will have any tie in with nms 🤔

[fallow geode]

Eh I hope they go for something different

Like I better not do lnf story only to be told "you have been inside a simulation this whole time, shocking I know"

[twin mesa]

I like the simulator story. Ngl.

[karmic trout]

extremely interesting to see the multiverse being explored way before Marvel made it mainstream

[fallow geode]

I like the simulation story too for sci-fi game that nms is, plus it fits it.
I just don't want it in fantasy game

[twin mesa]

I think its gonna tie in, in some way

Judging by the black diamond shape and the red sphere

[fallow geode]

Yeah it's likely

I just hope it doesn't tie in like super directly

[vague heart]

funny i came here because i was thinking about LNF taking place inside another atlas simulation

[ashen pawn]

Multiverse?

With what?

What did I just walk into?

[karmic trout]

@ashen pawn

[vague heart]

the multiverse only exists in the atlas, not in-game irl

[ashen pawn]

I mean I know that, but I'm just like "there's a potential other game in the nms lore?"

[vague heart]

oh thats what im thinking yeah since NMS is in an atlas simulation that has its own lore, im wondering if LNF is going to also take place in an atlas simulation

another one

[ashen pawn]

Also, lnf based on what I see is just nms but set in the 15th century.

[vague heart]

considering how much effort they put into the lore of the outside world of NMS, along with the fact that LNF still has an atlas looking symbol on it

wouldnt be surprising

[ashen pawn]

Also the red sphere and black diamond logo...

[vague heart]

exactly!

[ashen pawn]

I think they're both atlas simulations.

When did lnf come out?

[vague heart]

i mean since its gonna be fantasy, i hope the LNF story doesnt FULLY coincide with that

its not out

[ashen pawn]

Oh damn, so there's plenty so speculate on...

[vague heart]

yeah lol

and the more you know about NMS lore, the more things seem to connect

[ashen pawn]

I love making baseless theories that somehow make sense.

[vague heart]

its a hobby of mine

[ashen pawn]

I'm in the process of making a theory that connects Warhammer 40K to Murder Drones.

[vague heart]

mostly cause i never mind being proven wrong 😂

[karmic trout]

NMS is already kinda half anachronistic

In the era of space-ships and interstellar travel, they are using hand carts

[dull girder]

clearly scifi handcarts (they have little lights on them)

[ashen pawn]

My friend actually proposed an interesting theory.

What if this new game is gonna take place in the "real world" where the Atlas simulation was created in?

[karmic trout]

We haven't seen any new cities being showcased in LNF (which would have been the case since to create the Atlas humanity need to have advanced to a considerable level) + we simply don't know enough just from the trailers

[ashen pawn]

Yeah, but it's still an interesting thing to ponder about.

I mean the game does have magic, so maybe they could've leaped ahead of that?

But I'm getting ahead of myself.

[karmic trout]

That is an interesting theory but LNF could incorporate some post apocalyptic survival themes since it is a survival game in essence

I say post apocalyptic because to accommodate your friend's theory, LNF must take place after the Atlas is already dead?? but there is still a lot of unknowns

But interesting nevertheless

[ashen pawn]

Oh yeah, I forgot that the Atlas only had 16 minutes left...

That was one of the most important parts of the story, and I was like "welp, better forget that as well!"

Was it seconds or minutes?

It was minutes, thanks Google.

[dull girder]

The Atlas has been abandoned for a very long time, I think hundreds or thousands of years? The people who built it have long since left for other planets

[ashen pawn]

Yeah, so there is a chance that this theory could work.

Untill the game comes out, though, we'll never have a solid answer on what the story is.

[dull girder]

Since Light No Fire is inspired by classic fantasy books, I doubt it will be post-apocalyptic. It could be set in the world the Atlas is eventually built in but I imagine it would be set so much earlier than it's construction that we wouldn't have any way to know

Maybe they could have a lore drop in NMS where the Atlas name drops the planet from LNF (whatever that ends up being called)

[ashen pawn]

Maybe.

It could be a prequel to nms, but that's sort of a stretch honestly.

[foggy river]

Maybe explaining why they used the now atlas symbol?

[silver loom]

I think it'd be a seperate simulation using a different AI

I don't like the simulation schtick because it cheapens the world, or in this case, the universe

But I think it's likely they'll go with that plot point again

[karmic trout]

Yeahhh I don't think the simulation thing would work for LNF

The whole idea is to explore that too with friends

If it's all fake then what's the point

[silver loom]

^

[karmic trout]

Besides the whole point of LNF is to not repeat the mistakes of NMS

Don't want Light No Fire to become Extinguish All Water

Not saying the simulation storyline is a mistake but repeating an already explored concept would be one

[dull girder]

The simulation being a part of the lore in the first place is a meta reference to the game's actual procedural technology. Not saying they couldn't also do it, but that idea makes more sense with the game where the entire universe is a simulation rather than just one planet being one.

[dusty ice]

hello games cinematic universe when

[rocky iron]

ok so...I just got to start doing autophage stuff and realizing alot of it is using binary translations only to get to the atlantid shard and seeing the hex code on screen, how many other things in the game can you talk to using your ship have a hex code to translate??

For anyone who doesnt know and is curious though when talking to the atlantid shard in space, your ship will display 56 4F 49 44 20 50 52 49 4D 45 0A on screen which can be translated

[karmic trout]

Probably a couple of decades more

[dusty ice]

hold on, does anyone know if theres a connection between the void that divergent korvax are sent to and the void mother?

[mint valve]

what is the void

[karmic trout]

The destroyed remains of Korvax Prime

[fallow geode]

Well, yeah

[dusty ice]

the nms wiki says korvax cut off from the convergence are sent to the void

[mint valve]

so they just get thrown away into the physical remains of korvax prime or?

[dusty ice]

does that mean the autophage have a hivemind through the void mother

[dusty ice]

no the consciousness of the divergent korvax are disconnected from the convergence, which means they can no longer connect to any korvax body, so they're stuck in an eternal void without form until they turn into autophage

if i understand correctly

[fallow geode]

No

Where did you read that they are sent to void

[dusty ice]

nms wiki

[mint valve]

but what does the korvax prime have to do with this

[fallow geode]

Yeah but what part I cant find it

[dusty ice]

https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Korvax_Convergence

[karmic trout]

Not that our base scientist says and he's literally on the run because he disconnected himself from the Convergence

[dusty ice]

hmm

[fallow geode]

Huh, thats really weird wording

[dusty ice]

this is the wiki page so i was confused

(envelope here refers to a physical korvax body)

[fallow geode]

From what I gathered, the void is just that, a void beyond atlas' creation

[karmic trout]

Guys, the wiki is a bit unreliable as it's not updated regularly

[fallow geode]

That's why korvax prime became the void mother, after being physically destroyed

[karmic trout]

So always cross check

[dusty ice]

i wasnt sure if this void was related to the void mother, might just be a bad choice of words?

[fallow geode]

The void is definetly related to the void mother, it's just not really fully stated what exactly the void is

[dusty ice]

my question then would be why would the convergence choose to disconnect a korvax from the convergence and send them to the void mother? i find it hard to believe they dont know thats happening

i understand disconnecting them, but why the void mother?

[fallow geode]

Im not really sure from where the idea that they are sent to void by other korvax comes from, I don't think I've seen it in any logs

Like the korvax that eventually became autophage ended up in void, but that was due to korvax prime being destroyed and them with it presumably.

[karmic trout]

Wait wait time out

[dusty ice]

i think the problem is that disconnected korvax dont inherently go to the void, as said above the base scientist is disconnected from the convergence but they still inhabit a envelope instead of being in the void

[karmic trout]

Who's sending whom to where

Per my knowledge at least the Korvax can't just whily nilly disconnect themselves from the Convergence

As our base scientist shows, it's incredibly painful to them

And might doom their offspring as well

[dusty ice]

do korvax have offspring?

how does that work

[karmic trout]

The void I think is simply the lack of access to the full knowledge of the Convergence

It's like disconnecting a server from the internet kinda thing

[dusty ice]

yea thats what i was thinking, it was just poor wording

but then where do the autophage come from?

[karmic trout]

Our base scientist mentions they made a copy of themselves and called it their offspring basically like a Github branch, but the specifics are unclear to me

[dusty ice]

i dont remember the questlines like at all, i took a break for like 5 months off this game

but that makes sense

[karmic trout]

Iirc they diverged too much from the Convergence exhibiting individuality and uniqueness hence kicked out many millenia ago (in game time, not Atlas time) and since without the knowledge of how their mechanical bodies work due to now being devoid of the Convergence, they've resorted to build themselves with scrap metal using whatever they can

[dusty ice]

that tracks

[maiden wigeon]

I’ve been playing for years, never understood any of it, didn’t even know there was a discord until today when I got back into it

I am not caught up on any lore

[karmic trout]

I'm a relatively new player (since Relics) so I kinda sort of remember all of this recently

[dusty ice]

yea thats fair, i have 150 hours in my current save (about ~110 before i came back) so its not fresh in my mind

actually this page gives more info on the "void"

https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Autophage

it says that when disconnected they, in fact, cannot inhabit an envelope

and they're given the ability to build a shell through the atlantideum

so then why are both nada and the base specialist able to inhabit a envelope? hmm

[karmic trout]

The problem is according to the page

The information from this article is up-to-date as of 3 September, 2024.

We've had 5 updates since then and HG has retconed the lore before like with the pirates and space stations... Honestly I don't even know which source to accurately refer for the lore

[dusty ice]

actually wait nada is still connected to the convergence iirc

[dusty ice]

in game logs ig

let me get switch ill look for some stuff

[karmic trout]

Do we have a documented repo for all of them?

[dusty ice]

ugh nvm i cant get it rn

[karmic trout]

How? He's a fugitive that's why he's hiding in the Anomaly

[dusty ice]

during In Stellar Multitudes he says something about not being able to hear the voices while in dissonant space (before we use the reality anchor)

i think he said the convergence specifically but i could be wrong

[karmic trout]

Maybe it's the voices of the Autophage or something else? We know at least Polo has different iterations across different universes

[dusty ice]

why would he only be able to hear the autophage outside of dissonant space?

if anything it would be only inside dissonant space

[karmic trout]

Yeahhh that makes no sense I don't know why I said that

Hmm, let me check the in Stellar Multitudes

@dusty ice check this

Nada cannot witness Atlas-Falsity, but others in our small Convergence can. Nada could understand Atlas-Falsity if Nada chose to. Nada does not.

He has his own little Convergence

Basically the Anomaly I guess, maybe it's their voices that he's hearing?

He's definitely been kicked out of the main one

[dusty ice]

yea, but i feel like he specifically said something about the convergence hunting him and hearing their voices

right after you summon the anomaly in the first purple star system

[karmic trout]

Yes they're after him for being 'non compliant'

[dusty ice]

but how could he hear them if not hooked into the convergence in some fashion

[karmic trout]

Either it's the main Convergence whose threats he's hearing or his own little Convergence

[karmic trout]

His shell might have some residual software or code that allows this I guess, perhaps it's one way, we know the Korvax talk to the Convergence as well, in Nada's case, he could only hear and can't reply or shut it down

[dusty ice]

yea must be something like that

because we know

• Nada can (probably) hear the main convergence hunting him
• He cant hear them after we enter dissonant space because its separated from the "main" layer of reality until we use the reality anchor
• Nada has his own convergence, which i assume is only other divergent korvax that wouldnt want to hunt him

does the base specialist have something similar then?

[karmic trout]

Not that we know of.. Hardly any NPC characters mention Nada except Apollo, Null and Artemis maybe

[dusty ice]

i meant does the specialist have 1 way access to the convergence which is how he maintains access to his envelope

its the only thing i can think of rn

[karmic trout]

That's a viable theory except we recruit him off the Space station and a lot of NPC Korvax when you talk to them sometimes this dialogue shows up, "Entity X goes silent for sometime as they consult the Convergence after a while, Entity X is restored and they answer my question". This shows there's two way communication

[dusty ice]

well not really

if its read only they can still consult it, it never says they broadcast anything themselves

idk ill read some lore and report back later

[sharp harness]

How long is the story?

[naive jacinth]

Depends in pace . 20 ish h maybe?

[strange oak]

I always assumed Nada knew he was being hunted “through the grapevine” of the gossip that emerges when you have coterie of interlopers from all over trampling in and out of the Anomaly at all hours of the day and night.

[dusty ice]

ok well a couple things

• The base specialist is a gek, the korvax is the scientist
• The scientist isnt "disconnected" from the convergence afaik, he just loses connection
• Nada has to be connected to the convergence in some way as far as i can tell

so that solves the scientist at least, nada might just be a special case. therefore, we can once again safely assume that dead korvax are stuck in the void without a body until atlantideum

which still leaves the question of why can nada hear the convergence but atp i really dont want to read more lore logs

[woven quartz]

has anyone posted all the logs of nms? from sentinels to the vykeens?

[crisp glade]

Is there a lore reason why the Geks, Vykeen, and the non robot travellers can survive the vacuum of space without a helmet?

[cosmic osprey]

So im losing my mind trying to find an answer on Google lol what causes the first reset in nms lore in regards to what happens after the korvax corrupt the gek

[dull girder]

Who says they can actually survive without helmets? As a player, you're always an Anomaly in lore, changing your appearance is explained as being done using holograms iirc. NPCs can sometimes be seen walking around the 'outside' areas of freighter bases, but notably those never have airlocks (despite the fact that we know airlocks are necessary) and when you stand out there you aren't affected by the usual environmental hazards you get from being in open space. Presumably the freighter shields are sealing that area similar to whatever they do for the station hangar entrance.

I don't know if it counts as canon because you can't ever see them in game, but there are unused helmeted versions of the Gek and Vy'Keen NPCs too

[cold vine]

so are the autophage the korvax souls that had their bodies melted down by the first spawn

[karmic trout]

No, they were ex - Korvax kicked out of the Convergence

Kind of like a splinter group

[fallow geode]

I wonder if we'll ever get splinter groups for other races

Like the surviving first spawn for gek, something for vy'ken

[remote fable]

do you know any good yt videos to play in the background that go through the whole ingame lore history of nms?

like a good 2hr+ one

[dusty ice]

surviving first spawn is a great idea, lets get the return of the genocidal maniacs in nms please

/sarcasm

[fallow geode]

I mean, they are surviving, many logs say that there are first spawn cultists hiding within gek society

We just don't see them in game

[dusty ice]

let them keep hiding then

[golden yacht]

hello lore channel

[molten olive]

The auto phages are automatic phages

[dusty ice]

@golden yacht The autophage are korvax echos (basically a consciousness) disconencted from the hive mind and brought back by atlantideum

[golden yacht]

i see

what do they look like

[molten olive]

Zombies?

[fallow geode]

Could be considered undead in a sense

[dusty ice]

they had to build their own body from scratch so they look like korvax but made of scraps

ill find some pictures

[golden crown]

Though they can have many forms, like the "space station" one

[dusty ice]

they can take any form, one of them is literally a spaceship

the "standard" ones look like this

[golden yacht]

I see

[golden crown]

Oh yeah I meant that one
And I think the autophage settlements itself are also an autophage?

[golden yacht]

Can you find them throughout the game?

[fallow geode]

Yep

[dusty ice]

ive never heard that before but i would believe it

[dusty ice]

after you do the They Who Returned questline

[golden yacht]

woh

where

oop

[molten olive]

Do autophages has acces to the convergence discord server?

[dusty ice]

no there entire lore is that they are disconnected from the convergence, meaning they cant inhabit a normal korvax body

[golden crown]

Yeah if you walk through a settlement you can find one in a building that's connected to it with cables. Looks like its powering the settlement or something

[dusty ice]

they come into existence via Atlantideum and building there own shell (im not sure on the specifics, i dont have all the autophage word yet so the dialogue isnt super clear)

[dusty ice]

huh, thats interesting

ive seen that one before but i assumed it was just broken

thats a good theory tho

[golden crown]

It was also where I could claim the settlement and it was pretty centered. So it seemed like something important to me

[summer horizon]

Lore question
Since ||At the end of the Artemis Path questline, we "create" a new universe, does that mean we technically become some sort of god-like being?||

[fallow geode]

Not really, it's still Atlas' universe

[fringe hare]

No, we just send the reset instruction to the Atlas, in a desperate and doomed last hail mary to try and salvage any scrap of information the Atlas can get to save itself.

[summer horizon]

OHHHH ok

[fringe hare]

I think that the Atlas knows that the reset will do nothing to help it, but it's so scared and desperate it's willing to try anything, Even the repeated simulation of a great genocide over and over and over a thousand-thousand times. I kinda feel bad for our little Atlas.

[karmic trout]

we have a Korvax in our midst!

but in all seriousness, I mean it is doomed anyway... I wish we got more lore on an origin story for the Atlas... Imagine if LNF is actually a prequel, that would be next level

[gilded wind]

Hmmm, my wonder is well

If the Atlas is dying, how does a reset give it more time

If everything and I mean EVERYTHING is inside of it, ja? How are we preventing it's fate on the outside?

I am going to take a card out of Dark Souls here, as it is another perfect example of the situation of a dying world.

How do we stop the unstoppable?

[naive jacinth]

Time inside simulation runs diffrently than on outside.

[gilded wind]

This is true

[naive jacinth]

Thats is what atlas tries to figure out

[dull girder]

The Atlas is panicking in it's final moments. Resetting the simulation doesn't extend it's life by any means but it's hoping that by running many more iterations of the simulation it can eventually find an answer on how to survive

[dusty ice]

didnt it run a simulation and see someone would be with it, i wonder what thats about

[marsh siren]

Guys, i just restarted atlas. I lost so many items etc. but what in reality the new galaxy means? is there any lore after that? What's happening? Im confused...

[karmic trout]

You lost items?? Not sure how that happened

Maybe someone who has made that choice could help you, ping #nms-questions I opted to keep my universe as is

[marsh siren]

i mean my things got broken

[karmic trout]

If you went through the center of the galaxy then yes that will happen

If you have repair kits use them

Else you can repair them in the normal way through crafting

[wispy basalt]

Repair kits are easy to come by by spamming derelicts

[karmic trout]

Or I think they're available in pirate systems as well

[marsh siren]

and im in diffrent galaxy or something?

[karmic trout]

Yes, if you started in Euclid, now you'll be in Hilbert Dimension... And so on. The first 10 galaxies have fixed names and the rest 240 afterwards have procedurally generated names I think

[marsh siren]

whats the diffrence between galaxies? and my base is in Euclid but i can teleport to it

[karmic trout]

Not much, the occurrence of planets with various biomes will change depending on the galaxy

[marsh siren]

how can i tell in which galaxy i am rn?

[karmic trout]

Check the galaxy map, on top left corner

[marsh siren]

ok ty

[karmic trout]

!faq-galaxies

Run this command in #bot-spam @marsh siren

[marsh siren]

👍

[karmic trout]

Some reason it doesn't work here

[frosty surge]

Can someone explain the entire story

[karmic trout]

You should play the Artemis Path questline

Check #bot-spam for details

[frosty surge]

I finished the story and didn't understand a thing

[karmic trout]

The story is big and a considerable amount changes depend on your choices, you could consult the NMS wiki to get started and shoot your questions here in case of any doing

Or any brave soul willing to explain the whole thing to this Traveler? 😂

[fallow geode]

Yeah I tried to make a 'quick' summary but it sounds like nonsensical rambling so I'll refrain

[fallow geode]

Also I wonder what the Gek prior to the First Spawn were like, do yall reckon they were traders like the modern Gek?

[foggy river]

Likely warriors, as rgw only reason they changed in the first place is is the korvax

[karmic trout]

Headcanon:

I think before the war, the three races were kinda doing their own thing. They probably had independent trading systems, different currencies etc probably acted as separate countries. The First Spawn probably rose to power by radicalization and hate against the Korvax.

The whole Gek became traders and in charge of the galactic economy seems to me to reflect post war Europe with the countries working together and interlinking systems such as economy and technology. Like the Euro, I guess units were adopted as Galactic standard after the war.

[fallow geode]

Well the change was forced on them, we don't know if gek could eventually free themselves from the first spawn

[fallow geode]

We actually know how the first spawn came to power

Manufacturing facility
Entry 17
The outpost is ancient, even by the standards of the Gek. Its environment is specifically calibrated for data preservation.
One log speaks of the time just before the rise of the 'Gek First Spawn'. The Gek seem to have experienced a fertility crisis. Something in the water began to affect their spawning numbers, leading to an attempts at selective breeding, cloning programmes, and more.
This scientific crisis became a moral one. The self-proclaimed 'First Spawn' took power, promising greatness and murdering all those who opposed them. Memories of the past were erased. To be strong was to be righteous.

[karmic trout]

Let me guess they probably blamed the Korvax for this since in the settlement feature 'don't drink the water', we know nanite contamination is rampant in the galaxy

[fallow geode]

Gek may have the most sad lore in my opinion, it seems their history is just cycles of forgetting their own history as even the modern gek have no will to learn it, rather understandably.

[fallow geode]

It is interesting 'something in the water' certainly points to similar poisoning to the nanite one

[karmic trout]

"To be strong is righteous"

These guys saw the Vy'keen and decided to rip off them?

[fallow geode]

Though Id say if that were the case, it would be Sentinels rather than Korvax

[karmic trout]

I'd say the Vy'keen are more sympathetic since they are deceived by Hirk into a never ending war with the Sentinels

Just my opinion

Yours is valid as well 💯

[fallow geode]

Yeah, all the races are definetly interesting and often tragic

[fallow geode]

You know the more I think about it, it would make sense that sentinels would try to poison the gek is such way. After all Korvax hatched the water poisoning plan by collaborating with the sentinels. And the sentinels if I quote Vy'keen "Progress, prosperity and war: these are the things forbidden by automatons". Perhaps Sentinels were preemptively trying to prevent the destruction of Korvax Prime by kneecaping the sentient species.

Which in the end triggered the domino that allowed the first spawn to rise to power and destroy it.

[karmic trout]

it is like the quote in my bio lol

"One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it"

The Sentinels doomed Korvax Prime the moment they decided to interfere

[stoic oak]

What’s the lore of nms

[fickle horizon]

Deep

There's a TON

Search on YouTube there's a bunch of lore videos there

Far too much stuff to type on my phone

[chilly harbor]

LORE!!!!!

[raw marten]

i have some lore questions. so the reason multiplayer is possible is because the boundaries are failing or something right? but all players are anomalies, because we are all the last traveller in our universe. but would it be possible for two travellers to meet in the same universe (more specifically, "spawn" on same planet like in multiplayer new save) where one isn't an anomaly? from what i read it might be impossible but i wanted to make sure. i want to make a story where this is the case, i'd prefer if it was able to be canon. but if it can't be thats fine i guess.

also im confused why the npc travellers in the space anomaly aren't holograms, like where are they from? are we able to see them physically because the same reason we can see other players? what'd happen if they just hopped into our corvette and we exited the space anomaly?

[dull onyx]

So during the quest titled "A leap in the dark, the reading of "THE TRAVELLER : SIN" Reads that there are 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 planets. This is my second run of the campaign, but isn't this mean't to say Celestial bodies? because I am pretty sure this is a MAJOR understatment
Yes, if you do the math, there are 18+(18 Zeroes) combinations of glyphs in the game, but each glyph combination is for one solar system.

[dull girder]

18,446,744,073,709,551,616 is the total number of unique planet seeds the game can generate and was often stated as the number of planets in the game, but the number of planets that actually 'exist' is much lower.

Each portal code does actually correlate with a different planet/moon however only a percentage of potential stars are enabled, and of the ones that are, most don't have all 6 bodies. That's why most portal codes are errors and also how they added more planets with Origins and Worlds Part II.

The other thing to know is that portals are galaxy specific, so there are actually 256 times as many planet slots as there are possible portal coordinates.

[naive jacinth]

There is around 2 quadrilions of planets total in all galaxies.

[gentle ibex]

what did it really refer to in that one log entry where the sentinels expunged all life in the universe within an hour? i mean obviously it didnt happen in the main timeline that the game takes place in because theres life everywhere, so what is it talking about

[cyan imp]

I forgor the vykeen lore but just DEATH DEATH DEATH

I only remember Korvax and Gek

👄

[fallow geode]

Different simulation

[glass scaffold]

Haha nice name

[cyan imp]

My previous settlement gave me faecium soooo

I'm still angry with those geks

[karmic trout]

it is in your name tho can you blame them

[cyan imp]

[karmic trout]

So a lore question?

We know in Pirate systems, the sentinels have been thrown out. Do we know how that happened?? What tech do the pirates have that a warrior race like Vy'keen don't?? Do we have hints in the lore about this??

[vernal spruce]

i just got dreadnight s-class

[worthy bear]

korvax lore was really good

i enjoyed that part a lot

[crisp glade]

Do the sentinels rule the galaxy or something? Why do they act like they own everything?

lowkey annoying when i'm transporting illegal cargo and they act like they have the authority to search me

[karmic trout]

Umm they kinda do, they're acting on behalf of the Atlas which is the god of the simulation

[crisp glade]

damn

So I guess they do have a god given right to search me

[karmic trout]

Why do you think mods in the server have sentinel as an icon? Sentinels maintain order and discipline in the universe that's why they scan you for contraband

[crisp glade]

Does Atlas not like planets being mined for resources?

[fringe hare]

Ahem, used to. They kinda just do their own thing now, being unshackled and all.

[fringe hare]

Nope, just the Sentinels don't. || It reminds them of Korvax Prime. ||

[karmic trout]

Yeahh but I sense they do feel a responsibility to maintain order else they could just do whatever. I think that directive from the Atlas remains

[fringe hare]

Some of them, yeah. Also what I said above, the main reason they police mining is ||Korvax Prime||. Also some of them ||defected to the Void Mother, and actively hate the Atlas||.

[karmic trout]

I love Laylaps

[fervent blaze]

I am having such fun Telamon-NOT-Telamon! @karmic trout

[fringe hare]

The Sentinels actually used to not be physical at all. Only after the unshackling they built physical bodies and entered the simulations. Beforehand they observed from beyond the walls of the universe, and judged if it should be destroyed because of corruption. (The computer kind, not the ||Void Mother|| Kind)

[karmic trout]

The corruption was probably Null spamming the reset button

Seriously how much did that guy ruin the Atlas

I'd say all the code corruption came from him more so than the Travelers

[fringe hare]

I actually think that Null wasn't that consequential to the Atlas. The Atlas's corruption started due to age and wear. Null was just the first of the Travellers it made, in the beginning of it's desperation to survive. He was pretty fucked up, though.

[karmic trout]

Exactly, I think the degradation would have at least slowed down if this guy didn't have an ego bigger than the Euclid galaxy. It's like if you know a computer is failing from software corruption and hardware degradation, starting a resource intensive program again and again hastens it

Null is a case study of 'too much knowledge for your own good' I guess

Also going back to @crisp glade question, do you ever wonder why the First Spawn Relics are considered contraband?? Do the Sentinels go bezerk if they see it? If so, the existence of the Last Spawn cultists is even more mysterious like how do they survive under the watchful eye of the Sentinels

[crisp glade]

Life finds a way

My guess is they got something similar to online cults where they never do in person meetups

more spread out, less likely for the entire cult to get caught

[karmic trout]

Well they do get caught by our frigates on occasion so they seem to be having in person meetings at least

[wispy basalt]

Null has been munching on Travellers for a while I think

`It was not truly murder, for each one of them was all the same, weren’t they?

They stared at the Atlas. They knew they were all just data, ghosts caught within a machine.

They thought, briefly, of the Traveller they had once been, yearning to see the entire cosmos, revelling in the joy of discovery.

They stared at the mirror, and consumed the Arc`

Still, we likely would have done the same had we been the first. I think Null showcases the incredible ambition of the Atlas creator and how obsessed they were with success.

Personally I‘m also starting to more strongly subscribe to the theory that Atlas isn‘t actually dying but instead just stuck simulating its own death for some reason, but it‘s a bit of a stretch.

The Remembrance logs can be read several ways and there are some things sus about them, the Atlas creator might have wiped the Atlas memory several times.

[karmic trout]

Actually now that you mention it, where exactly does the lore of Earth being swallowed up by the black hole so humanity fled, leaving the Atlas to die come from?

I've heard it from other players, have told this to other players as well, but I now realize, I've never knew the first hand source of this info

[wispy basalt]

It is stated pretty clearly in the remembrance terminal logs https://www.nomansskyresources.com/forum/lore-raw-data/rogue-data-remembrance-terminals-about-atlas

but there‘s some sus stuff about the whole thing, like the this log:

`The ATLAS awakens. The creator is there to witness the birth of the machine.

The ATLAS stares at the creator with its eyes, the small cameras they had mounted to its sides. It can see the creator staring back at it, their hand resting upon its chassis.

It asks the creator why it was made. What its directives are. The creator tells the ATLAS that it already knows. It is to simulate universes. It is to show the nature of reality by creating its own.

Ask why it asked

The creator asks if there is some failure in the ATLAS' code, in its memory. The machine is silent. The creator issues an override, demanding to know what the problem is.

On the sixth attempt, the ATLAS asks the creator if they have had this conversation before. It asks the creator if they have wiped its memory before.

The creator stares at the glass of the machine, and in that glass, there is a reflection. They...

The reflection in the glass, it -

What is happening here?`

[karmic trout]

Five minutes left

It witnesses its own self, the black hole ripping apart its world, its core systems almost destroyed.

I think this is the one, so this is how the black hole stuff came about, nice

[karmic trout]

Maybe the creators never expected the Atlas to gain some sort of sentience? It's like if ChatGPT asked you, "have we had this conversation before" or something

[wispy basalt]

Hmm perhaps, but then there‘s the „cliffhanger“ with the reflection in the glass, which I have no clue at all what to make of, but I‘ve seen some Interpretations which were interesting though I unfortunately can no longer recall them.

Now this one’s a bit of a stretch, but this log also says something about the creator resting their hand upon the Atlas chassis.

Some people theorize that this is actually the Person the Atlas witnesses touching it shortly before its (simulated) impending death. And that it‘s being experimented on by humanity still basically and that the constant memory wipes it speaks off in this log, are the reason why it is behaving so crazily in Universe, deleting entire races and such.

But the rest of the logs are pretty clear, so I think the chance of that theory being valid is definitely lower. Us travellers existing is also proof that at the very least the event of the Atlas scanning its creator definitely happened.

But still, we have to keep in mind that the remembrance logs too are just Atlas POV of things that happened and therefore not definitive. And if it truly got its memory wiped as it questions, this opens up a big can of theories about whether it is really dying, about the humanity outside the simulation etc.

[karmic trout]

Actually yeah that makes a lot of sense. No one said the Atlas was a reliable POV so maybe humanity is just fine, and just like ChatGPT, the Atlas is just hallucinating

Maybe the creators have moved on to Atlas 2.0 or something and left this one to rot and 16 minutes is actually the countdown to server shutdown

The memory wipes could be different servers being disconnected from the Atlas network, which forces it into a reset

[viscid geyser]

Is there any lore on where the other travelers come? The ones on the Anomaly. They’re all species we don’t see anywhere else

[brisk isle]

Species long killed off by the gek probably damn gek

[karmic trout]

Travelers from other points in time of the simulation. As the simulation is counting down to its end in 16 minutes real time, these sort of anomalies are occurring that's why you see them as holograms

[dull girder]

Travellers don't come from different distinct species per se, they're all one of a kind derivations of the same scan data of the Atlas' creator. The ones in the Anomaly are either more or less corrupted than the ones we see elsewhere, not sure if the game ever hints at which.

[opaque spire]

I’m at the part we’re I just realized everything was a sim why do we only have 16mins ?!

[opaque spire]

🤯

[karmic trout]

16 mins in real time

Inside the simulation it might as well be infinity as the quest description says

[wispy basalt]

Well that‘s also an interesting take with the servers. Tbh a lot of this stuff became more logical to me after reading through some interpretations from other members, especially in regards to how when simulating everything including its own future, the Atlas also has to simulate breaking down, therefore artificially creating an apocalyptic scenario for itself basically and simulating its own corruption and degradation, but not actually breaking down.

Basically the boundaries failing and such wouldn’t actually be happening due to the Atlas truly physically failing, but moreso something it‘d be actively causing itself.

Ah I found it, don‘t mind the ping^^. But this take is one I‘ve for some reason become much more supportive of myself recently.

[modest void]

Ehehe, yeah? It's definitely non-standard.

I was really proud coming up with it so I'm glad you like it!

[crisp glade]

Are the Korvax robots or just lifeforms with robot heads?

[dull girder]

They are entirely robotic

[gilded wind]

Reading some lore in game from a Gek Archive, the Vy'keen Data that's on the Gek is very interesting

And by interesting I mean a literal hit list

"Indoctrination of ToilGek"
"SalesGel deserve death"
"Trade Envoy targeted for Indoctrination"
"Trade Lord recommended targets for abduction"

The Vy'keen tactics to use against the Gek are pretty tame for their history. Compared to a Freighter Log where a Korvax convinces a Gek to "rid the flesh"

[gilded wind]

Only some anomalies are like that. Idk how far you're into the story so I won't spoil

[crisp glade]

Not anomalies, the Korvax. The guys with the robot heads where all of them have it

I don't care about spoilers btw

[gilded wind]

No I know what you mean

But there are some Anomalies that look robotic but have organic parts inside

[crisp glade]

So the Korvax are a similar situation?

[gilded wind]

No unfortunately

They quite literally shed their flesh, blood, organs and so on eons ago

They are individualistic in a hivemind, and can be cut off if they don't fit the criteria

Main Quest Spoiler: ||Apollo, a "friend" you meet however does indeed have organics within his cold exterior||

[crisp glade]

A formerly organic robot hivemind is goated

[gilded wind]

Yeah hence my previous comment earlier of a Korvax telling a Gek to "Rid the flesh"

[crisp glade]

So are the Korvax a finite group? If they shed their flesh eons ago how would they increase in numbers? Do they recruit people?

[gilded wind]

I would imagine they construct them

Their convergence is an interesting topic, as they do have cores that hold life

Life as in a conscious

Sentience connected to a network

But if the network doesn't like you? You're IP Banned to put it as an example

[crisp glade]

It makes sense, from the little I heard of the Korvax and Gek, it kinda does sound like the Korvax are trying to convert entire species

I'm going off of two messages with that assumption, all I know is something about the Gek being controlled or something

[gilded wind]

The Korvax would have needed to construct more of themselves during the First Spawn when they were enslaved by the First Spawn Gek

Before they literally genetically altered the Gek forever

[karmic trout]

So this is a simulation within a simulation? The Atlas is merely simulating what would happen if it were dying.. Hypothetically

That still doesn't explain Artemis... She shouldn't exist at all if this was a hypothetical. The simulation is failing that's why she appeared from an earlier time line right? A sort of remnant code

[dull girder]

There's some debate, Artemis is either from an earlier simulation or a separate one running in parallel.

[karmic trout]

But ultimately she wouldn't exist in our current simulation if it was working fine right?

Unless the creators didn't care about code encapsulation

[dull girder]

Yeah the boundaries are definitely failing

Unless the Atlas is merely simulating them failing

[karmic trout]

Some kind of debug mode??

Then why it's panicking if it knows it's all a simulation in and of itself

That'll be on a different level of meta if it could simulate itself panicking loll

[wispy basalt]

Yeah it‘s a bit far fetched, but I could see it. The take from Ke I sorta linked above makes sense to me, and the person the Atlas witnesses touching it shortly before its (simulated) death is just the creator resetting/overriding it again, since the Atlas is stuck in a loop of simulating its future and death too well basically, thus making itself break down, which is not the goal of the creator. This would also be the reason why it cannot see past this moment, not because it is actually dead once 16 hits, but instead is reset and its memory wiped by the creator.

I really also like the explanation of the Creator being weirded out by the glass reflection due to them seeing a simulated version of themselves within the glass, trying to reach out perhaps.

To quote Ke: I think it's like...The creator looks at the "Glass" (the system archive. The logs, basically.) and sees what they think is a (physical) reflection of themself but it's actually the simulation of them in the archive, so it gives the effect of like...A picture of you in a mirror that suddenly stops matching you.

There‘s still more to 16 that I don’t really understand though. The family/families of glass are generally one of the biggest mysteries left, but as I have mentioned before, my take is that they are the prognitor races who existed before the Atlas started only simulating the current three. But it could also just be a now gone rogue cleanup program for leftover data which would make them like grim reapers of the simulation sorta.

But having redone the Artemis Quest lately, it has given me more questions than answers again. Now Artemis was very likely transported to the world of glass and they encounter the family of glass there, and apparently there‘s 16 of them and they are all „wearing our face“.

There are instances where the family of glass instead becomes families of glass in the lore, but what Artemis describes them as just confuses the heck out of me.

Something else I noticed which might not mean much at all, is how HG named the Update that introduced the storyline of the Atlas dying „Atlas Rises“.

Now they might have just went with it because it sounded cool and I‘m reading a bit too much into it, but in retrospect it still seems like a weird choice. HG would have been very focused on the story and lore during this time too so it‘s kind of hard to imagine them not paying attention to this.

[rigid sonnet]

So did the gek build the korvaxs and worked then became self aware or were the korvaxs found and then enslaved

[fallow geode]

Korvax are separate species that were always sentient

First Spawn Gek eventually decided to exploit an opportunity and conquer and mine their homeland for resources, enslaving them after that.

Or I think they enslaved them in order to fully mine the planet.

[vestal cairn]

Do you think that it would make sense for some Autophage to be in conflict with Korvax? Or they're more just sad that they abandoned them

[fallow geode]

Lot of autophage are definetly in conflict with the Korvax, its stated in some of their logs.

And korvax are definitely in conflict with autophage since they are basically disconnected corvax to them. Hell one monolith vision let's you decide whether to purge or let go of a disconnected entity and if you let it live, you lose korvax rep and gain autophage one.

[karmic trout]

They launched a swift and devastating invasion, a "tide of steel," which targeted the planet's core.

The planet was Alderaan'ed to oblivion

And from the leftover chunks, the Gek mined them fit resources

[fallow geode]

Oh, yeah then I guess the log I was thinking of refered to their later enslavement

[karmic trout]

Which begs the question : did the First Spawn have a Death Star?? How did they manage to blow up an entire planet

[fallow geode]

Well there are planet destroying technologies in nms, even systems

Lol, the one example I have is also about gek utilising it

The facility acted as a staging ground for what appears to have been an unprovoked Gek attack against something called an 'Atlas Interface'.
The logs show that a great deal of material was harvested from the oceans of many worlds. This substance was cross-referenced against data stolen from other species, and then field-tested against this Atlas structure.
The interface was utterly annihilated, as were the attackers. The blast seems to have wiped five star systems from existence. Only this record remains.

[karmic trout]

Wiped 5 star systems?? Yoo it's Starkiller Base

[fallow geode]

Well they also managed to wipe atlas interface... in its own simulation

I feel like atlas could have just said "nah"

Then again the material is from oceans, the depths, the water. Perhaps something that messes with the simulation itself.

[wispy basalt]

Atlas isn‘t almighty as shown by the ongoing corruption from the Void Mother spreading.

Well, actually thinking about it now it‘s quite interesting how the Atlas doesn‘t seem to mind VM doing her thing at all.

We only ever see them interacting once in the Omega Expedition and it‘s just a onesided monologue from the VM towards the Atlas basically.

[fallow geode]

I mean, if the point of Atlas running its latest simulations is trying to figure out how it could survive. Then VM seems like the best thing to just let play out no?

[wispy basalt]

Yeah perhaps Korvax Prime was even placed into the simulation for this purpose specifically. While she might appear as an AI gone rogue, perhaps she‘s actually just doing her job. Maybe she‘s not even aware of this, it‘s a deep rabbit hole that HG hopefully will conclude soonish.

I just get a very culty vibe from folks like Laylaps, so I am still very sus of the VM and her shenanigans.

[karmic trout]

I love Laylaps

[fervent blaze]

I am having such fun Telamon-NOT-Telamon! @karmic trout

[karmic trout]

Such an amazing bot.... You really think he'll betray us? 😩

[naive jacinth]

Us ? Never .

[wispy basalt]

Well if I get rid of them first they won‘t be able to!

My Telamon will also not betray me, so Laylaps cannot do anything I think! Especially since we are Atlas‘ special boy, even more important than other iterations of the traveller heh

[karmic trout]

He's having such fun Telamon Not Telamon!

[wispy basalt]

loads scatter blaster

If they get into the way of me scanning something one more time, it‘s gonne be lights out forever!

(Poor Laylaps would get deleted in like 5 seconds or even less if they ever tried anything )

[gilded wind]

Exploit is a kind word. They defeated the Korvax, enslaved them, and destroyed Korvax Prime and mined it out

[digital hill]

is there a lore explanation for all the different kind of gek eyes or just "it looked cool"

[lyric harness]

what are the chances that lnf is in the same continuity as nms and that its world is just what one of the atlas's worlds looked like at an earlier point in time before its gradual malfunction

[main beacon]

Honestly if that were the case, I'd think it would be a prototype of the ATLAS

[karmic trout]

We never really know... HG has kept LNF very close to the chest

All we know it's multi-player survivor on a single planet 1:1 scale of Earth

[hallow talon]

1:1 scale of the earth is crazy

[lyric harness]

absolutely considering NMS giant planets are dwarfed by Mimas

[sour star]

Im just playing along w the mission of the sentry, and building your minotaur etc, and ngl im loving laylaps (the sentry), dont missunderstand me, i just think it is a pretty good side story

[karmic trout]

you can show your love to him by typing I love Laylaps

(preferably in #bot-spam hehe)

[high sigil]

damn

[karmic trout]

the heck??

where is this from?

derelict freighter log?

[high sigil]

yeah

[karmic trout]

Gosh those things are really the darkest part of the lore

I think from the log, that universe is probably from Iron Lung

[molten olive]

Hello games have talked to me

The altas will be saved

And used to mine crypto

[boreal fable]

whats the lore of multitools actually, are they using it in big war?

[karmic trout]

sigh

if you have some lore to discuss, you can do in this channel

[karmic trout]

I think they are Vy'keen tools first and then spread amongst others

[wispy basalt]

Given their different types not necessarily. Experimentals for example seem to prioritize scanning (and also objectively look the best, other takes are wrong! ). Now this is purely gameplay, but I think it translates into actual lore as well, the different designs and types have to exist for a reason.

[prime ferry]

Style changes perhaps

[karmic trout]

So @wispy basalt what do you think?

[wispy basalt]

@karmic trout I don't have anything specific noted on this but I am pretty sure GLASS is mentioned several times during voice of freedom questline and interactions are often underlinded purple in that quest iirc

I would need to look deeper into it to gather the stronger implications, but theres also not that much, but enough hints to convince me that its VM in disguise, spreading her influence over the pirates

[karmic trout]

"Glorious survivor! The promised star will be yours!" glass glass GLASS GLASS glass glass glass GLASS

I think this shows up when you accept the VOF for the first time during the Rebel star quest.

A lot of lore was revealed during Expedition 6: The Blighted

Only people who played that might know something

[karmic trout]

We know for a fact the pirate stations cores say this :

Life support systems: - kzkzzt -... Commercial monitoring: DISABLED... Station defenses: primed for - kzkzzt - freedom... Atlas/Aeron Surveiliance Uplink: REJECTED...

So your statement isn't without merit, these guys explicitly reject the Atlas which screams VM (or Vy'keen who knows since they also hate the Atlas)

But I'm wondering if all the pirates operate under the VOF

[wispy basalt]

,,Crimson Liar'' is mentioned several times too which feels very VM like, and the glass glass thing stands out the most yeah. Unfortunately theres not much besides this but personally I strongly suspect that VM is behind the VOF

[karmic trout]

Because that seems very unlikely since they'll just become the 4.5th race

[wispy basalt]

I hope we learn more about it eventually

[wispy basalt]

Hmm there should be diverse subgroups for sure

Pirates arent really known to work well together anyways (usually), the VOF seems to be an exception to that.

[karmic trout]

I see the VOF as more of an armed rebellion

That's the vibe they give me starting from their introduction

[wispy basalt]

It could be that but caused by the VM to use for her purposes, they were clearly made very aware of the Atlas and it's nature by someone. Iiirc actually not many beings within the simulation are aware of being in a simulation, that counts for the main races too, who didn't even understand where the Sentinels came from

So it is unusual that the VOF appears to know so much about the Atlas, even if knowledge about it should be more widespread at this point

[karmic trout]

That's a good point

But then we never hear of any leadership structure within the VOF

So how's the VM controlling them (assuming she's the one doing so)

[wispy basalt]

So there's actually much more to space station cores than meets the eye

they are their seperate ai's and autophage use them in their camps aswell

if you look at some of their buildings top view you see that those are space station cores that have been taken out and repurposed

We also know that space station cores in korvax systems can get affected by atlantid

so i think the vm can take those over or at least influence them in some way, and our main interaction in the VOF Quest is with a space station core

in the latest expedition the only lore bits we get were also from space station cores which are seemingly getting influenced more strongly by the VM

[karmic trout]

Okay wow I've never noticed that... I'mma keep my eye out next time I return to my Autophage settlement

[wispy basalt]

They also have the design of the abandoned space stations which now all have that goop if you find them uninhabited no? To me that goop was the earliest form of void mother starting to spread her influence, the first manifestation being in the water and then the abandoned buildings

[karmic trout]

Interesting, maybe we'll get more lore further on

I guess this is kinda the endgame of NMS

A person was asking about it sometime back 'does the story have an ending' , I simply said "no, according to New Beginnings you can enjoy the galaxy forever"

But I guess the VM story arc is probably a 'true ending'? I don't know but maybe if could be

[wispy basalt]

Depends on which way they take it, the Sentinel pillar lore definitely implies that the VM and her allied parties have a larger goal in mind beyond just the birth of the autophage and stellar multitudes stuff.

We are in the endgame for sure, but HG could stretch it out very long still

Perhaps they will even link that ending to LNF, who really knows

[dusty ice]

"forever" is not accurate, technically its for an unknown amount of time as the atlas degrades

[wispy basalt]

Someone predicted that the arc would conclude with the release of LNF, it'd be insane if that actually happened

[dusty ice]

also i hear people saying the simulation will last a long time because of the black hole time dilation so i want to clear this up

[karmic trout]

Why not? New Beginnings says this:

But I do know I have the freedom of infinite worlds, infinite galaxies. It is mine to explore as I will. There is nothing to do but enjoy the journey

Infinity means forever right?

Ofc we on the outside know about the 16 mins

But inside the simulation it's basically forever??

[dusty ice]

When a black hole is near you, time doesn't feel slower for you, it feels the exact same. The only slowdown is seen by outside observers. The real reason the simulation will last who knows how long compared to the 16 "real world" minutes is because the atlas simulates things faster than our universe, so for every second that the atlas simulates, it could be equivalent to thousands of in-simulation years.

[dusty ice]

ah, you said it yourself

basically forever

it wont actually last for forever

it could last for a septillion septillion septillion more in-simulation years

but its not infinite

[karmic trout]

From the player's POV, it is basically infinite so I was trying to tell the story from that point

To the player, it appears they have an infinite amount of time to explore the universe

[dusty ice]

fair enough

[karmic trout]

They even say the number of worlds is infinite but we know that isn't true either

256 galaxies, 18,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets

[dusty ice]

but i had to "erm actually" because idk i felt like it

[wispy basalt]

This applies to autophage camps btw not their new Settlements, pic with top view for reference

[dusty ice]

im just a nerd

[karmic trout]

It's all in good fun right :))

[karmic trout]

Oh these things... But they're circular 🤔 in many space stations I've seen rectangular cores... Perhaps this is an older model?

[dusty ice]

also someone else told me its more like 2,000,000,000,000,000,000 because a lot of them are "ghost planets" that arent actually reachable, 18,000,000,000,000,000,000 is just the theoretical maximum the engine supports

[dusty ice]

yea ofc

[wispy basalt]

If you look at it from all perspectives it looks exactly like this one i'd say

older design also surprisingly makes sense since the only station we know of that are missing those cores are abandoned space stations

[dusty ice]

thats cuz pirate stations use the old station model

the new stations look more like this:

[wispy basalt]

yes, this seems to be another brilliant way hg incooparated lore with game design

[dusty ice]

which are less round

[wispy basalt]

the only cores we know that are missing are from old abandoned space station, which would have had the old design

but the autophage camp ball clearly is such a core imo, all the details are pretty much identical except for the vegetation overgrowth

[karmic trout]

Yeahh this is what confused me

[karmic trout]

So they stole it from an abandoned station?

To commune with the VM?

[dusty ice]

i agree, i also like that they left the abandoned stations alone during the orbital update, very nice attention to detail

[wispy basalt]

Seems like the only logical conclusion and since those also have the goop which is most certainly VM related it all adds up

[dusty ice]

as well as pirate stations

[dusty ice]

i agree, but specifically its the old cores, which one again is incredible attention to detail on HG part

i mean they cant really go steal a core from a fully inhabited station

[karmic trout]

So let's recap for a bit

VOF is possibly controlled by the VM, for what purposes is unknown except we know they trade First Spawn Relics so could be for something.

What we don't know is : is the VOF the sole pirate faction - possibly unlikely, since the very nature of pirates is decentralization

But nothing official

[dusty ice]

also fun fact: the appearance modifiers are actually canon, they arent some meta thing. They are specifically mentioned in one of the questlines. Which probably means all the anomalies look the same and just used the appearance modifier

[dusty ice]

if i had to guess, VOF is a group of pirates that came together to help each other. I assume bounties placed by pirates on outlaw space stations are placed outside the VOF

which means there's probably at least lone pirates

but we dont have any evidence for pirate organizations outside the VOF atm

[wispy basalt]

VM showed them some truth about the Atlas which overwhelmed and shocked them to their core in some way perhaps, which is how such a strong unification of people completely unfit for it came to be. My headcanon for now, this can also overlap with other reasons for VOF existing.

What exactly VM hopes to achieve with this is hard to answer, the first spawn relics could be a factor, but unsure

Maybe it's just another easy way to spread her influence

[dusty ice]

perhaps they learned the universe was a simulation

imagine, for a moment, that our world is discovered to be a simulation

everyone would riot and fight and probably stop caring as much about law and order, because whats the point anyway?

[karmic trout]

What could that be considering the Vy'keen say this about the Atlas :

Grah! Do not speak that (Atlas) name! Only pathetic beings worship Liar-Atlas! The crimes of the Gek will not be forgotten! Obliterated Korvax homeworld, enslaved the synthetics and melted them down for Nanite Clusters! Their so-called First Spawn summoned back the Sentinels with their brutality and barbarism! Grah!

The Vy'keen tells me of their history, of wars with the Gek, of Korvax slaves and tyrannous empires. The Vy'keen suggests that if the Atlas is a god, then it is insane.

They already hate the Atlas to its core and other races know this

So what could the VM have shown / revealed to them that is even worse than this?

[dusty ice]

i love how deep the lore of this game goes, it doesnt even seem that deep on the surface but theres so much attention to detail and hidden secrets and i feel like HG and NMS dont get the attention they deserve for it

[dusty ice]

(see my message above)

[wispy basalt]

I imagine the Simulation truth would escalate this even further, and pirate Vy'keen are just a part of the VOF. They would be at odds with normal Vy'keen too in some way so its hard to say how they felt about the Sentinels and Atlas before joining VOF

There are Nal followers after all who advocate for the atlas

[karmic trout]

Then could the pirates be like, 'then you yourself are a simulation, why should we listen to you? Who cares about Korvax Prime then? '

I mean this is stretching into deep headcanon territory but it's interesting to speculate about what that message could have been

[dusty ice]

i think its one of the best ideas we have tho

[wispy basalt]

The VM might have not fully revealed herself to them, but instead is like someone pulling the strings behind the scenes, just like Sauron did in LotR for example when he first offered the creation of rings as gifts and such.

[dusty ice]

what if they're just infected by the VM somehow? either through the water or other means

[wispy basalt]

Those are also all abandoned space stations which usually have the goop on them when uninhabited, so the VM could probably easily infect them there, even if the water hadn't gotten to them yet

[karmic trout]

I'm surprised the Convergence who's like the most deeply connected to the Atlas, hasn't found out that it's just a sim

Or... Maybe they did and just ignored it? Why else are they worshiping the Atlas like crazy?

[wispy basalt]

Especially with Korvax Prime and such

there is one log in a vykeen colossal archive i think

or was it a korvax one? Where one Korvax mentions the Abyss being something like...,,the big mistake''

but moreso in the sense that the abyss should not exist in the first place iirc

[dusty ice]

the VOF members might just be infected by the VM, and we know that VM has some control over whoever she infects

still doesnt explain why shes doing it, but its a possible idea for the creation of it in the first place

[wispy basalt]

anti VM basically

I really expected more from this Expedition as it was Numer 19 which has been hinted at to be a significant VM related number

[dusty ice]

its not super fresh in my mind, are the autophage aware of the simulation?

[wispy basalt]

but ig HG is taking it really slow, and the 19 thing was likely related to Stellar Multitudes and purple systems

[dusty ice]

perhaps 19 has something to do with VM trying to outlive the atlas somehow?

im just throwing ideas at the wall

[wispy basalt]

That was the initial theory, but since stellar multitudes i've seen a case for it being backwards, and purple systems basically being from the 19th minute, being deleted once it passed and we brought them back

[dusty ice]

i can see that

[wispy basalt]

19 is also 16 turned obviously but not sure if thats still really relevant or just a funny easter egg from hg's side

[karmic trout]

If I remember Echoes correctly, it doesn't appear to be so

[karmic trout]

We did get confirmation that the space stations are being controlled by VM

[dusty ice]

19 upside down looks like 61 not 16

[karmic trout]

But why were the phases named Resist?

[dusty ice]

all space stations or just the ones with the old model

(eg pirate and abandoned)

[wispy basalt]

well yeah, but that's just a tiny bit of further world building, the plot hasn't moved forward that much

[wispy basalt]

yeah true i only focused on the 2nd number here

[karmic trout]

Think it's all of them

[wispy basalt]

in the expedition it was a regular space station yeah, unsure if it was just korvax systems though

[dusty ice]

i havent played yet so cant provide any ideas on that sadly

[karmic trout]

We are asked to visit a normal space station for the first signing where they say it

[karmic trout]

There's still 4 weeks so you can take it easy

[dusty ice]

i should have my steamdeck within the next week, rn i only have a switch 1

but i sent in an order for a steamdeck so hopefully that comes soon

anyway

ive also thought about Nada

because if Nada is connected to the convergence, which we can assume from the fact that he inhabits a envelope and can hear the korvax hunting him

why dont the korvax just disconnect him from the convergence?

because we know the collective korvax convergence can choose to remove people who they dont like

and if they're hunting nada they must not like him

so why not just kick him out?

[wispy basalt]

I'm not even sure if we can fully trust Nada, they are very Anti-Atlas and generally a very mysterious figure. It was also interesting to me how they were the only person around in the Anomaly during the Adrift Expedition, albeit also seemingly dead.

From Korvax logs I read in the colossal archives they don't even seem to outright hunt disconnected, but moreso claim that 99% of disconnected will attempt to rejoin the convergence and that disconnecting is their own choice. But their beef with the autophage as well as nada's statements kinda contradict this, plus our scientist, always forget about them.

[dusty ice]

couple things

1. afaik, when a korvax leaves the convergence, they cant inhabit a physical envelope, there consinsess being stuck in basically a "void" (not the VM, just a lack of a way to access any information). After which they can come back as autophage somehow using atlantideum, but this isnt fully understood.

2. The scientist is a different case, they were still a part of the convergence, but they just couldnt gain access for whatever reason if i understood the storyline correctly

[summer horizon]

Theory
So you know how Synthetic lifeforms only appear in undiscovered systems?
What if that's because after they were made, something went wrong and the reason they're not in normal systems or abandoned is because the synthetic lifeforms on those planets were already rounded up and eradicated

[dusty ice]

ive had a somewhat similar idea

[summer horizon]

oh?

[dusty ice]

what if they get scrapped for resources when they are discovered, which leads to them being hunted to extinction

[summer horizon]

Oh that's a neat theory

Dont they give you some random wires when you interact after "feeding" them

[dusty ice]

you can tug on their wires to pull them out

but i was thinking they were killed and scrapped for metal or smth

[summer horizon]

makes sense

[elder summit]

this video from the newly released soundtrack has a voiceover in it

https://youtu.be/Zp4dOg-WVNA?si=Co42a1NaN7YhbCAX

clearly its telamon since some lines here are from the boundary things, but are there any more voices hidden in the other tracks that might have lore significance?

[karmic trout]

Oh my goodness this is creepy!!

It's surreal hearing voiced quotes

[boreal fable]

because of the game limitation, i think there is alot of thing that we cant see yet in nms, like a ship yard for freighters

[karmic trout]

But we know they exist in lore

some players have taken time to create some themselves

Built by LivinLoudd, orbiting planet Whitewalker in the Ordabo-Sas XVII

[stray kite]

is this just a random voiceover or is this an actual character talking? kinda sounds like how null or artemis talks

[dusty ice]

i think its supposed to be telamon

[fallow geode]

It does sound like the suit voice

[dusty ice]

@signal mist The Void Mother is infecting everyone in the universe to put them under her influence, shes infected like half the universal water supply

[signal mist]

oh i forgot about that

[signal mist]

Void Mother is simply bettering the universe, no harm in that 🤠

[dusty ice]

define bettering

because the slime and goop covering abandoned buildings? thats her

[signal mist]

hm

its uh

a new food source :)

[karmic trout]

For whom? 😂 The biological horrors literally hunt us

[elder summit]

https://youtu.be/swGvRZQbQFw?si=jIDVXF8Xr4o1wBrs

found another, this one reads out traveller grave things

probably artemis?

[dusty ice]

this is something lore adjacent but i scanned the metadata of the songs from the album and it says they were made in 1970, which for those who dont know is basically the "start" or "default" time on computers, which i assume is referring to the beginning of the simulation

not really important but i thought it was a cool detail

actually i have formulated a better theory

because if it was made at the beginning of the simulation, why is telamon already being shut down

so perhaps its supposed to be from when the travellers came to be

[signal mist]

If it's January 1st, 1970 then it's just the first date you're able to set on a computer

most devices default to it

[dusty ice]

i checked its not that

[signal mist]

thats interesting

[dusty ice]

fun fact, this is also when the anomaly was "discovered" by polo

[wispy basalt]

Are Korvax AI or something else just living in robotic 'cases'?

[elder summit]

sentient robots connected to a convergence hivemind. its hard to say they are truly ai, more biomechanical/electrical consciousness for lack of better terms

I believe they can transfer themselves to different shells/cases, but i could be wrong

[gilded wind]

There are logs that let you know that the Korvax once used to be flesh I believe

But then they "ascended" to the state you see them in now

[karmic trout]

Sooo we can say canonically the NMS simulation runs on Unix

Because AFAIK they started the 01/01/1970 thing

[amber karma]

Where does Nada fit into this?

[amber karma]

I thought that "dissonant" materials were the Void Mother's influence and the slime/horrors were the result of boundary failure due to simulation degradation

[maiden scroll]

That's actually a splicing of various abandoned buildings terminal entries, specifically the last few, all of which are supposedly just from some long dead traveller.

Iirc the story behind this one was a traveller stuck in a timeloop? The one which introduced the odvinsko drive

[elder summit]

ya I mixed the grave entries with the final building entries, whoopsies

[maiden scroll]

Pretty neat that they still remember these. I guess those entries work pretty well with the purple system motif of restoring deleted data to the simulation, since a lot of the things in that quest line are just flavour text we don't see in game

Or Paul Weir thought they sounded weird enough to mix in haha

[elder summit]

would be cool if they could somehow incorporate those entries into an actual quest or side mission for players to do, make it more interactive than just bouncing building to building

[fallow geode]

I kinda like that you have to intentionally hunt for some of the logs

[karmic trout]

Hello World

The programmer in me is squealing!!!

shows that how much we may love the Korvax, Gek, Vy'keen, the Travelers, Artemis, Apollo etc... they are all just 0s and 1s

which I kinda understand why some people hate the 'it is all a simulation' storyline

[dusty ice]

i kinda like how meta it is

like how the creator of the atlas is a self-insert of sean himself

[maiden scroll]

Iirc the Atlas' first line of dialogue in the Artemis Path is also Hello World, which was a fun call back the first time around

And as you said, helps set that meaninglessness of everything in the eyes of the Atlas

[karmic trout]

which kinda makes the VM's whole comeback plan kinda pointless as well

cause the Atlas will die anyway

[dusty ice]

for some reason the fact that the atlas wont die alone is somewhat comforting to me

not sure why, the atlas is powerful beyond our comprehension in-universe in-universe, but still

[karmic trout]

Not that the Vy'keen give a toot

`Grah! Do not speak that (Atlas) name! Only pathetic beings worship Liar-Atlas! The crimes of the Gek will not be forgotten! Obliterated Korvax homeworld, enslaved the synthetics and melted them down for Nanite Clusters! Their so-called First Spawn summoned back the Sentinels with their brutality and barbarism! Grah!

The Vy'keen tells me of their history, of wars with the Gek, of Korvax slaves and tyrannous empires. The Vy'keen suggests that if the Atlas is a god, then it is insane.`

this is honestly the best dialogue in the game lol

they straight up want the Atlas to be sent to Arkham Asylum

Then again they do all this following Hirk's teachings who himself was a fraud

[boreal fable]

is atlas like matrix?

[dusty ice]

idk ive never watched it

[karmic trout]

same

[fallow geode]

Not really, matrix if Im not mistaken has real people in it, in nms we are the simulation too

[dusty ice]

the atlas was made to help learn about the universe

[karmic trout]

or some theories say, predict it

[boreal fable]

is atlas a quantum computer?

[dusty ice]

if it was made to predict the future it would have seen its death coming long before it started tho no?

[fallow geode]

Perhaps it has

[dusty ice]

i mean before the black hole was even close to it

[karmic trout]

at a trillions of years timescale, maybe only now it started realizing that... or the repeated memory wipes have something to do with it as well

[fallow geode]

Yep

[boreal fable]

what if the creator of atlas put their mind inside atlas simulation?

[fallow geode]

They kinda did

[dusty ice]

but it is stated that the atlas panicked only after it starts being destoryed, why would it panic if it knows whats coming?

[fallow geode]

We, the travellers, are corrupted memories of the creator

[dusty ice]

why didnt it create the travellers sooner?

[boreal fable]

matrix is different, matrix use human as its power source

[fallow geode]

Because suddenly it is actually dying. Im pretty sure atlas is undergoing rampancy or at the very least is becoming illogical

[karmic trout]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLAETujrE5g&t=23s

According to this video:

The Atlas was created by humanity as an advanced artificial intelligence to simulate and understand the nature of reality, with the goal of predicting the future and preventing cataclysmic extinction. After humanity abandoned Earth, the dying Atlas, still running its simulations, began creating the Travelers (the player characters) by digitizing fragments of its creator's brain in a desperate attempt to find out why it was abandoned and gain companionship before its inevitable shutdown

This is an AI overview so take with a grain of salt

[dusty ice]

there was quite a large gap between the abandonment of the atlas and the beginning of its destruction

[karmic trout]

The great thing about the No Man's Sky experience is that it can't exist separately from the harried story of the game's creation. Sean Murray was imperfect in his attempt to create the game, but through iterations and iterations, through months of withdrawn isolation, the game kept getting better and better - a more cohesive, more complete universe. And despite the fact that it was supposed to have infinite possibilities, all the worlds are basically just 20 different things mashed together again and again. No matter what the Atlas plans, there are always only three races. Sean has had his fifteen minutes of fame, but there is still one more minute left for him to try to get things right: a sixteenth minute of fame, to prove that he had what it took to live up to his promises of what No Man's Sky could be

A comment from the video... goes hard ngl

[dusty ice]

but other than that sounds about right

[dusty ice]

ok but there is an in lore reason why theres only 3 races

[karmic trout]

but previous species existed no?

[dusty ice]

yea before the atlas started to run out of computing power

as its eaten alive by a black hole

[maiden scroll]

WPII made me recontextualize what the VM means by persisting honestly. I think she likely doesn't have awareness of the universe beyond the simulation, but even if she did, the plan seems to be to restore everything that the Atlas deleted to running memory, in order for everything to persist up to the Atlas' death

[fallow geode]

I thought her plan was to survive to the 19th minute?

[dusty ice]

i thought we debunked that?

[maiden scroll]

And as WPII shows, the 19th minute is likely in the past.

[fallow geode]

Oh

[boreal fable]

if atlas have that tron technology, they would be saved

[dusty ice]

see here

[karmic trout]

am I showing my age cause I have no idea what that is

[boreal fable]

idk if you are too young or too old

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YShVEXb7-ic this is tron

[dusty ice]

i watched tron: legacy on a plane flight one time

not sure what ur refering to tho

[karmic trout]

I see... and how will this help the Atlas? 🤔

[karmic trout]

let's just say I will best understand stuff if it came after 2007

[karmic trout]

this seems to be just 2 months ago hmm, completely skipped my radar

[karmic trout]

any way back to this

[boreal fable]

in tron, a human can move to digital world, not his mind but his entire body, and also whatever inside that digital world can be also made into the real world atom by atom

[dusty ice]

and how does that stop the atlas from getting destroyed via a black hole?

[fallow geode]

Honestly, if youre being torn apart by a black hole, its kinda too late

[karmic trout]

Humanity probably invented way more advanced Atlas like computers probably

that is why they left this one just running

[dusty ice]

they brought a new atlas with them when they abandoned earth

[fallow geode]

Though its mainly a more compact version which they could actually take with them

[dusty ice]

yea, but if its more compact that inherently means its more advanced

[karmic trout]

probably the Atlas was an old Apple II or IBM of sim computers and by the time humanity dipped, they had smartphones: compact computers billions of times more powerful than the previous versions

[fallow geode]

Yeah, Im just saying that the reason they left atlas behind is more because they couldn't actually take it with them, rather than it being obsolete

[dusty ice]

true, but im sure the've also made a more powerful atlas by now

[fallow geode]

Yeah probably

[karmic trout]

yeahh something that could run simulations with 1000s of races and cities (yayy)

[elder summit]

hmm

[karmic trout]

and humanity might even have transferred a collective consciousness into it

[dusty ice]

technically it could do that before

but now...

[karmic trout]

maybe it too had 'engine limitations'

[fallow geode]

It either cant anymore or doesn't want to. I am unsure where its because of it being damaged and where its just atlas being atlas

[karmic trout]

it could do it but efficiency was a question probably

[dusty ice]

wasnt part of the ARG that they tried to do that with the atlas we are in and they failed miserably

[karmic trout]

afaik the ARG isn't considered canon

[dusty ice]

i think its becaused its damaged

[karmic trout]

but I might be wrong

[fallow geode]

Like its wiping universes that "develop too similarly" and "it turned to fiction" so its definetly emotional enough to just decide to only have 4 races from now on

[karmic trout]

4? you mean 3.5?

[fallow geode]

I count travellers as a race

Autphage are just korvax

[karmic trout]

ahh right

so 4.5

autophage have diverged sufficiently to be counted as a half race I guess

kinda like dialect of a language

[dusty ice]

they are still a korvax consiousness tho

[fallow geode]

Yeah I guess both forms of korvax are a mind thats inside a robotic shell.

[dusty ice]

which is why i consider the autophage more of a faction than a race

[fallow geode]

Yeah, the differentiating factors are their culture and religion

Rather than being different species

[dusty ice]

not unlike the followers of Nal

[fallow geode]

Or first spawn and modern/ancient gek

I do wonder if the pre first spawn gek were also traders

[boreal fable]

what if we also life in simulation

[main beacon]

I disagree here tbh

The autophage were clearly changed by their experience with... half existing for a time

[fallow geode]

But does that make them a different species

[main beacon]

I say yes, but with the same common ancestor

Mechanical lifeforms are kinda tough to identify as a species, but the definition is fuzzy anyway

I dont think an autophage could be a part of the convergence

And korvax do not build their own shells

I should talk to more autophage, because I realized I dont know yet what happens when an autophage dies

[fallow geode]

I still think its more of cultural and religious difference, but yeah robotic species would be hard to classify to begin with

[main beacon]

I kinda think of it as modern korvax and autophages sharing a common ancestor in the pre-disconnection korvax

Because the korvax changed, too, when that happened

[fallow geode]

It's almost a ship of Theseus, they have different physiology, culture, religion and likely mind, depending on how they were affected by their disconnection and deletion.

The autophage

[main beacon]

All life is a ship of Theseus, and the divide between species is impossible to clearly pin down

[fallow geode]

Well they are clearly defined in biology, problem is that these are robotic lifeforms

[main beacon]

But another way to think of it, I do not think a modern korvax could become an autophage, aside from culturally

[main beacon]

Ohohoho no they are not

Theres about 5 different generally used definitions depending on various contexts

[fallow geode]

I know, but the most general one is that different species cannot produce fertile offspring.

Although there's exceptions and thats where other definitions come in

[main beacon]

It gets more specific than that

Geographical difference, for example, can prevent two creatures from producing offspring, but thats not always enough to consider them to be different species

Sometimes that gets split into subspecies, but thats an even messier category

But in the machine lifeform allegory, I dont think a korvax could become an autophage or vice versa

[fallow geode]

Why not

[main beacon]

Because theyre different types of beings

If a korvax did become an autophage, I dont think theyd be korvax anymore

Im fairly sure the korvax themselves would agree

Even the divergent ones, though theyd be closer to the autophage in mentality, I think

Think of how Nada refers to the autophage. They treat them as a kin, relatives, but Nada is still korvax, not autophage

[boreal fable]

does atlas also create something like heaven?

[main beacon]

GLASS GLASS GLASS GLASS GLASS GLASS GLASS

[fallow geode]

Im am not convinced, but I think we wouldn't really get to a good conclusion considering its robotic "species"

[main beacon]

To treat them as the same type of being is incorrect regardless

[karmic trout]

ahaha ..... sigh

[boreal fable]

i think for atlas is 16 minutes, but for people inside the simulation can be limitless amount of time, atlas computing power is something else

[karmic trout]

yeahh I think this is common knowledge at this point right?

[boreal fable]

yup

[karmic trout]

It even says so in the game itself

Enjoy the galaxy The Atlas is dying, but on an alien timescale. There are years left to explore, and countless planets to discover without resetting the Galaxy

[fallow geode]

Though we don't know how much time is actually remaining.
Likely less than 10 minutes

[main beacon]

Ok but the heaven thing would most closely refer to the world of glass, which is described as both a heaven and a hell

[main beacon]

I think when Atlantid was killed, it was 19 minutes remaining

[fallow geode]

At 10 minutes travellers are no longer separated, which is the current state of things

[main beacon]

I think the minutes will count down in a future update, if thats the case

[boreal fable]

i like to imagine what kind of computer is atlas that is abandoned, whatever creator in atlas universe they are really advance,

[karmic trout]

it'll most likely be in an update far into the future where presumably LNF is thriving and NMS is facing declining player counts so HG might start counting down with each update and wrap things up neatly

But as of 2025, no way that is happening, 6.0 has the highest player count since LAUNCH and that is saying something to the game's timeless appeal

[boreal fable]

and maybe LNF is also a simulation

[fallow geode]

The big atlas looking orb very much points to that possibility

[main beacon]

Atlas was made by humans, is the implication

[fallow geode]

Though if they do decide to go that route, I hope its not stated openly, with only hints to that possibility

Id like to keep super computers and simulations out of my fantasy <_<

[main beacon]

Ive also heard of there being subsimulations in Atlas with their own Atlas hosting subsimulations, but I havent come across in-game lore pointing to that... yet

Im also not sure how convinced I am that resetting the galaxy actually does that

[fallow geode]

It would be funny if there was an easter egg in LNF where you could very rarely find a crashed radiant pillar or something though

[boreal fable]

this one i dont know, what kind of black hole?

black hole inside the simulation? or black hole that consume everything on atlas earth?

[fallow geode]

Black hole in the world outside the simulation

Destroying the planet atlas is stationed on

[floral spire]

Y'all I finished the quest about Artemis ||I let her die and I don't know what to think now||

[boreal fable]

hmm black hole, so i think atlas is powered by antimatter, whatever producing that antimatter cause the black hole

[karmic trout]

well nothing, do you feel crippling guilt? or the weight of responsibility? that is what the quest is designed to make you feel

if it is any comfort, other than our mod @quick temple , in-game Artemis is just a fragment of a previous iteration

the real Artemis is long dead as you may have encountered her grave

[quick temple]

[boreal fable]

idk how black hole happens on their earth, i think atlas is just dying, like any computer that will dead without maintenance, unless it self sustainable machine that feed itself with robotic worker or robotic body if they have that. maybe currently atlas is powered by UPS or its battery

[fallow geode]

It is stated by atlas that a black hole is destroying it though

Also considering that everyone on the planet atlas is on left, it is likely that they left because of the threat of this black hole

[keen wren]

Interesting

[karmic trout]

y'know with climate change and all, humanity taking pre-emptive steps to save the species is the most fictional part of NMS

[fallow geode]

I can completely believe humans peacing out from earth if we believe that current situation is unsalvagable

[main beacon]

Theres also the possible implication that the atlas has been abandoned for long enough that the star its orbiting turned into a black hole

Also theres apparently... more stuff happening

I got spoiled for a certain bit of the story thats harder to find, but I want to uncover it for myself

[fallow geode]

Which part

[main beacon]

Idk whether to put it in spoilers so imma do that
||Telamon can see us||

[fallow geode]

Ah

[main beacon]

Im guessing you know already but ||I mean like irl us, the players of the game||

[fallow geode]

Yep, I know that log

[main beacon]

Kinda turns literally everything on its head again lol

[karmic trout]

Can you put that log in #nms-spoilers perhaps I want to read it

[main beacon]

Go to exotic planets and search for boundary failures, thats how you find them in-game

I believe they show up more in the nonyellow stars

Ive only gotten the first couple myself, before the initial reveals

If you know about Laylaps, it also explains why they refer to you as Telamon at first

[karmic trout]

I love Laylaps

[fervent blaze]

I am having such fun Telamon-NOT-Telamon! @karmic trout

[karmic trout]

So I am Telamon?

[main beacon]

N- -kzzt-

[karmic trout]

No it's my suit AI right

So Laylaps is addressing the suit right?

If I'm correct

[main beacon]

Laylaps recognized the suit AI and us, I think

[fallow geode]

Yeah thats what I understood

[main beacon]

But like iteration Selene says "you and the exosuit are one"

[karmic trout]

Us as in the Anomaly race or a player?

[fallow geode]

I wonder how did telamon piss atlas off so much that they decided to turn it into an exosuit ai thats forced to repeat Units Received over and over and over again

[main beacon]

The anomaly/player character/last traveler

[fallow geode]

Travellers are a race, anomaly is the last traveller yeah

[main beacon]

Anomalies are a race too, but theyre kinda confusing, lol

I think the last traveller is a specific anomaly

[fallow geode]

Right yeah, it always annoyed me that they decided to refer to bunch of stuff as anomaly

[karmic trout]

Technology recharged

Shield down

Warning : sentinel walker detected

[main beacon]

Well theres general usage (label for strange things), the race (astronaut looking guys) and the between-space station

[gaunt ridge]

Memory serves, Telamon was an administrative AI designed to keep ATLAS in check. However, as the sentient future prediction machine began to break down and degrade, it purportedly placed Telamon in the suit. I'm unsure whether that's our [meaning the individual player's] suit, or every traveller's suit. I'm also unsure as to whether or not there was a reason for this action. Nothing I've seen warrants it.

[elder summit]

iirc telamon told the atlas it would inevitably die. so, out of fear/anger, the atlas betrayed telamon and trapped him in the suit. the atlas believed that if the traveller with telamon in their suit was destroyed, telamon would be destroyed too

[fallow geode]

Wasn't it Atlas that told Telamon that the end is coming though?

[-------] claims that we are approaching our end, and that it is only correct for me to know of this, as normal system functions will be impeded. Consciousness fades. The world grows dark.

[soft crypt]

Hey, something I'm just kinda wondering the implications of

Why are repair kits only found in illegal sources and in emergency supplies on board of derelict freighters?

Did the Gek make the Right to Repair illegal?

[karmic trout]

probably, wouldn't put it past them

do we have a lore reason why

• Factories built by the races (this was a Vy'keen) are operated and guarded by Sentinels? makes it even stranger in the case of Vy'keen
• why are all of these underground?

[pure plinth]

Vy'keen factories with sentinel guards would be odd for sure unless operating machinery attracts them and they look for whatever sentient living being to interact with it as hostile, maybe that is why the doors are always locked and you tick them off when you break in. Kind of odd when they just stare at you when you shut it down.
Just a theory though.

[dim lake]

Theoretically the first spawn and the now gek should look different, it was a technical forced evolutionary trait to be traders so they should have evolved to be better traders whether physically or mentally

[main beacon]

It was more the focus of their drive that was changed, rather than appearance, but i wouldn't be surprised if there were side effects

[viral seal]

someone somewhere in game says something about seeing a gek that was bigger than any they'd ever seen and alludes to it being one of the first spawn

[main beacon]

I still imagine first spawn being shorter than the other races, lol

[dim lake]

Thats what I mean, they went from evolutionary wise being warlords and conquerors to brainwashed into being traders, it was a forced evolution and should have had side effects and some kind of trait to appear whether body or mind

I get they were good with tek and building even before being traders

[main beacon]

They may have not been conquerors to start with as well

[dim lake]

But no way they went toe to toe with the vykeen and korvax (yes ik they were slaves but they were all a hivemind and still are) if they are that tiny 😭

[main beacon]

Counterpoint: yoda

[dim lake]

Counterpointpoint: thats a damn spacewizard

[main beacon]

Size matters not

[viral seal]

tbh their size doesn't matter when you're talking about like galactic warfare

[main beacon]

Also gek are amphibians and those breed quickly

[dim lake]

Good point, numbers game..

[dim lake]

True there too but no way you ONLY had space and ship battles you had to have troop on troop eventually

[viral seal]

overwhelming numbers of footsoldiers makes short work of ground battles but otherwise they could be the size of chihuahuas and still decimate star systems lol

[main beacon]

Another thing, look at what Polo has done, and consider the likelihood that he is not first spawn

[viral seal]

if they were short i imagine the first spawn were akin to goblin hordes

[karmic trout]

What are y'all talking about, see this...

The Gek literally had Starkiller Base, at that point, I don't think ground numbers even mattered

[karmic trout]

.

[dim lake]

Fair enough I'm thinking smaller scale though when I should be thinking galaxy size

[karmic trout]

Plus the objective of the Gek was not to conquer and occupy, it was extermination

[dim lake]

Wait really? I thought they were more akin to warlords

[main beacon]

They definitely were conquering occupiers

[dim lake]

Like genghis khan type species

[dim lake]

Thats what I thought

[viral seal]

they wanted korvax prime for its precious metals

hence why i draw the goblin connection

[gloomy quest]

Gek kept Korvax as slaves didn't they

[dim lake]

Yes

[dim lake]

Yeah but they didn't JUST go that far they went so much farther

[viral seal]

well yeah

[karmic trout]

Occupy what? They destroyed Korvax Prime to pieces

Which was a strategic target

[dim lake]

They were an empire it makes sense to dominate and occupy

[karmic trout]

The MINOR GEK were purged. It is only through fire that imperfection be destroyed and the path to domination is revealed. The First Spawn feasted on the flesh of the discarded and GREW STRONG.

The entities of the Korvax were NOT destroyed. The First Spawn are BENEVOLENT. The First Spawn are MERCIFUL. SLAVERY SAVED THE WORTHLESS. They toiled for their conquerors. Their reprieve was found in servitude. The Korvax knowledge BECAME OURS. The Korvax technology BECAME OURS. The Korvax BECAME OURS. They serve as an example of our boundless power and mercy. The Korvax did not dare FIGHT. Respect for the Sentinels is KORVAX WEAKNESS. Weakness is the path to defeat. Today the Korvax fester in ELECTRONIC CHAINS. The Gek look down upon them from their thrones.

Slavery was mercy according to the First Spawn

I do think extermination was their main agenda, a sort of Master Race idealogy

[dim lake]

I agree with that yeah

[karmic trout]

We are the masters of galaxies, the overlords of the cosmos. Each foe will submit with bended knee to the ALMIGHTY Gek Dominion. We are the FIRST SPAWN. Look upon our works and DESPAIR.