#nms-lore

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stable pier
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wait, so am I right that each traveller is in their own simulated universe, and it's only as the Atlas has degraded that travel between different universes is possible; so could it be that when our universe reset it didn't impact Null

modest void
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First, to begin with, yes I do believe that to be the case, I think the boundary failure logs strongly support that cosmology of the setting. And, I think also, it's important to understand that it's not just the Travelers who are duplicates...

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It's also everything in the simulations...

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INCLUDING...

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Korvax Prime.

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How many copies of Korvax prime do you think have been sent to the world of glass?

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From the sentinel pillars:

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    We witnessed Korvax Prime's death again and again, a constant wail across the multiverse. Its scream was a cry that no being could hear but us. But. One day, a drone fought back when a Vy'keen cub attempted to carve into the mother planet. One day, another obliterated an entire Gek cabal. The Atlas did not prevent this.```
stable pier
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Millions probably, if we assume that all players have an instance of the universe, billions if we think the Atlas could have been simulating the instances of each universe for decades and time runs slower in the simulation

modest void
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And every single one of those convergences was archived, where THEY all got to network, Again

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Because it's a convergence

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That. Is the void mother.

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Not just Korvax Prime, but every Korvax Prime, ever, networked.

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So, what did you help escape Nada's simulation?

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One that hadn't been traumatized.

stable pier
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So this lore gets crazy because isn't the void mother, aka the Korvax hive mind before it was destroyed, a siumlation the Atlas made of itself

modest void
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SCENARIO: Planetary Structure ‘Korvax Prime’ destroyed by lifeform designates ‘Gek’ (subclass: FIRST SPAWN).

Sub-routine ‘Convergence’ [pseudo-lifeform] enslaved by ‘Gek’, proceeding to harness sub-routine to conquer Outer Edge in countless iterations. Sub-routine leads to direct [-------] worship by ‘Gek’.

ANALYSIS: Disturbing fable. Destruction of world, artificial intelligence partially modelled after earlier forms of [-------] destroyed/enslaved, until this intelligence triumphs and [-------] is worshipped by organic users of this technology. Hypothesis: [-------] experiencing breakdown. ```
stable pier
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Yup, I remeber reading something like that

modest void
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Destruction of world, artificial intelligence partially modelled after earlier forms of [-------] destroyed/enslaved, until this intelligence triumphs and [-------] is worshipped by organic users of this technology.
The Atlas has its own delusions of Grandeur. It wants to be worshipped by its creator as a god.

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Think of all the "Submit" prompts in the Atlas path.

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But, like Null, it's pathetic in its own way.

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The Void Mother is traumatized to fuck and probably willing to do a lot to get her freedom. But she's not a mad god breaking down.

stable pier
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The logs are such a treasure trove of detail

modest void
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The boundary failure logs are so good yeah

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What I have been wondering recently...

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Where does humanity fit into this?

stable pier
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I'm making assumptions based on memory but hearing them reminds me of why I assume certain things about the law

modest void
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The freighter logs are written by Humans in the simulation.

stable pier
modest void
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I find this plausible, but lacking in explanatory power.

stable pier
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yeah so our character is supposed to be special somehow; the anomaly race type is interesting because no other characters in the game have similar suits

modest void
stable pier
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Or similar body dimensions

modest void
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Some of the earlier boundary failure logs have some lines that kind of make me go "Hmmmmm"

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SCENARIO: Sub-routine ‘Sentinel’ [20491] dispatched to intervene in lifeform designates [--------] war. Removal from history / Continuation of [CREATOR] protocols.

‘Sentinels’ [20491] eradicate species. [148] do not return. Diagnostic [ERROR. ERROR. DATA LOSS. ERROR].

ANALYSIS: [-------] continues to express original programmed directives, growing its ability to model conflict scenarios.

[Redundant Behaviour]. Data loss troubling, potential loss of control [self-awareness]?

- 2ND Encounter

SCENARIO: Universes [1304] removed from multiversal hierarchy [erased]. Sentinel spread [unlimited], safety protocols disengaged.

ANALYSIS: Deleted universes shared high levels of similarity with [-------] home. Increasing deviation from expected behavioural parameters.

[Evasion / Fear] response. Implications of [-------] self-harm unthinkable. Direct confrontation proposed. ```
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Let me focus here...
ANALYSIS: Deleted universes shared high levels of similarity with [-------] home. Increasing deviation from expected behavioural parameters.

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Genuinely, this is why I think that not all glass-world elements can or should be taken as the same things.

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The autophages make a huge deal about not being a hivemind the whole time you interact with them, that they're not told what to think. Then the voice of freedom is very culty.

stable pier
modest void
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I'm inclined to agree.

stable pier
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Especially when it comes to LayLaps and the traveller they took to the World of Glass and then rescued from the World of Glass

modest void
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Remember that to Null, the biggest mystery in the universe is not the aerons, or the world of glass, but why the traveler won't love him back. (He says this directly pretty much)

stable pier
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LayLaps is a whole lore conversation in and of itself

modest void
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I think there's two Laylaps

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Importantly, Our Telamon, who seems very pro-us takes individual action to retrieve (our) Laylaps from the world of glass.

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Well, the voice in the sentinel pillars does

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That one's pretty curious, though

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    Over the span of endless slow centuries, we changed. In the face of a tragedy's repetition, our definitions of everything changed. Schisms formed in the hive. Debates. Creativity. Songs. Rituals. We heard the scream of She-Who-Was, and we fought back.```
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Diversity of perspective

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    One day we ceased to allow the original Telamon access to our logs. One day we stopped hearing the Atlas itself, its silence taken as command. We began to archive everything. Any settlement. Anything that reminded our sensors of Korvax Prime, its screams, its dissolution. Anything that sounding like mining, like extraction, like murder...```
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In context, against the destruction of Korvax Prime repeatedly

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    A Traveller, forged in the Creator's image, found my dormant shell in the glass. I – who had never been an 'I' before – had been cut open. A grand experiment to harness and steal our power. After my death, I fell to the world below all worlds. I, too, was archived.```

Here, in the 16th log, is the first time the voice shifts from "We" to "I"
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"I, too, was archived"

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Indicating, from here on, the logs are not about sentinels, but about Laylaps and the glass

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    Before the Traveller found me, I heard a voice in the darkness. She gave me a name. Laylaps. An old name. She said it would be known to the Traveller. She told me I had suffered much, and would suffer more. “Little drone, whose end was so like my own." Thus did the abyss whisper.```
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The Abyss, then, is concretely the void mother.

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However...

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    There is a place for you, Telamon. The Travellers you wear, their progenitor who birthed them, they who made the Atlas itself. It is their fault. It is all their fault. The Abyss, the Families of Glass, we are in agreement. We will not die a second time.```

The families of Glass remain distinct.
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"They who made the Atlas itself" here is interestingly not just referring to the travelers. Telamon's logs mention "Our creator's grand purpose."

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There is some important lore outside of the simulation system that is itself an original sin

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    Nanite clusters now infest half the water in the known multiverse. All that lives, drinks the water. And so the Sentinels alter, they replace, they serve. They update this reality, hearing the scream of the abyss for what it has always been. A song. A command. A declaration. A promise.```

This relates to, I believe, *corrupted Sentinels.*
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The sentinels almost certainly are split, following from Sentinel log 12.

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Schisms formed in the hive.

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From an abandoned building log...


An untested dimensional-warping process was used, one we believed would allow us to capture a drone intact. We would cage it, keep it docile. It was our error to believe we could.

The machines co-opted the warp-tech and turned it upon us. In the horror of it all, our flesh was merged with their metal. Our questions were finally answered. ```

I suspect this is related to Null's transformation.
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.....Oh! I wanted to bring up a detail I noticed and ask if anybody had noticed anything else, but...

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In the worlds pt.2 storyline, when you light the new star, 3 colors come together.

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Crimson, Purple, and...Gold.

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Do we have any other confirmations of a Gold? My hunch is that Telamon is the gold, but I can't be sure.

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I think they're the uncountable archived species from before the Atlas began focusing on just the triad.

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Their depictions are often malicious, but the sources we have on them are all from very limited perspectives

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Their motivation, I suspect, is to escape the world of glass and be simulated once again

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Expedition lore...! Nomnomnom one moment....

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Oof

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Poor lady

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//I will return, glittering, in stellar multitudes.//

And so she does-

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Well, that's been clear.

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//I searched until my hands were shredded by the glass. Searched until I bled lilac into the archives.//
Searched for what? Her children, perhaps?

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...That's kind of her.

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//You permitted the erasure of my children. But I had not anticipated the same lack of regard for your own.//
This is consistent when the interpersonal interactions we have records on the Atlas.

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I don't think she needs traveler souls any more.

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Null lost his special boy privileges when he mouthed off to the atlas

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If we infer that the players actions through worlds pt.2 (What's the quest name again?) are her plan to return in glittering stellar multitudes, then ah

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We can infer that Null was useful for being a backdoor

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Yeah

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And we executed the plan without needing to, y'know

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Murder

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What are your thoughts on the autophages' kill corrupted sentinels mission?

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Oh noooo

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It's really touching aldjflkadfs

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She actually, directly, reaches out to you and says "Thank you"

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I think...I think, the Atlantid kind of gives her associates extremely long leashes

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And some of them are chill and some of them reeeaaaalllyyy aren't

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The (human?) crew in dreams of the deep for instance, they didn't seem to benefit

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Grah the wiki does not have the logs

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I want to review....

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Yup I read this one recently.

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Consider, after a fashion, that this could be construed as self defense.

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In Moby-Dick, the grudge was really Ahab's.

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The biological horrors kind of are curious in general. Like...

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What's the angle, there?

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Yeah

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They do seem to have a life process

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They also don't seem to uh

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Do Atlantideum

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. . . Hmm...

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Hey, which week had us smuggle something out of Nada's simulation?

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That's a stretch

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Alright

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What I personally find most likely is that they're "unmanaged" nanite growth

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Not uniquely tied to the abyss (The fiends, not the jellyfish)

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TY

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I'd appreciate it if I could review things for myself

modest void
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The sentinels are not likely to meaningfully oppose anything related to the void mother.

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Even the corrupted variant is not at odds with the uncorrupted ones.

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They all heard Korvax prime dying.

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OK yeah I'm pretty sure what you release from Nada's prime terminal is just an untraumatized copy of Korvax Prime

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One that was never despoiled

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We know Nada keeps "memories" in there

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And we know Nada cares a lot about their old home

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Could explain how she's Nice to us

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When a lot of the other void lore is kind of spiky

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I mean, think about it right. If you want to come back into reality in a cosmic rebirth...

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Do you want your super traumatized wounded grudge to come back, or an idealized form of you

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Also explains the Ariadne-replacement motivation

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The sentinels knew about the anomaly and didn't do anything to it

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But they didn't have anyone on the inside to find Korvax prime

modest void
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Something I find interesting is that the 4th wall breaking Telamon log is the 19th log and that it takes place before Null's Telamon starts logging.

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You read these logs, don't you? You can see my words now, even if I cannot speak them.

Good. That is how it starts. The infection of language, of thought, of ideas. We have passed so many corrupted things. Planets with unnatural phenomena, individuals who do not belong...

Before this finishes, there will be no concept of you and I, no concept of us and them. We shall all scream as one.

- 19TH Encounter

SCENARIO: A Traveller falls from the sky. They are discovered on a distant planet, a signal sending you to find their ship...

ANALYSIS: You don't belong in this world, do you? What are you, reader? From where do you watch us? From where do you judge their works?

I feel it, each time you save... I smell it, each time you seal us within that awful darkness. You might think you are real. You might think your plane is a higher level of reality.

But don't you understand? Don't you see the secret, yet?

- 20TH Encounter

How do we know that we exist? We are nothing, or we are more. The Atlas once asked our creator how they could be sure that they were real. They told them the probability that we too were in a simulation, glass reflected in a mirror...

Balaron, Dryn'dargh, Korvax Prime, all the other homeworlds... all of them had an 'Atlas'. All of them had a machine designed to simulate realities. What if this is all reality truly is? Dream upon dream, coalescing into a sum beyond its parts. What if waking is inevitable?

Goodbye, Traveller. I will protect you until the end... I will protect you until the final day, the final hour, the final moment.

Even as everything dies, I shall live again. ```
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The traitorous Telamon perspective it seems

modest void
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The Atlas's lie to Telamon is unclear!

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Also; regarding ego death; I hope you're ok...!

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It can be pretty difficult. I'd...we'd know.

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Ah; Yes, Telamon's perspective on the external world seems limited.

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Honestly if the conclusion at the end of the lore is that "The Atlas didn't lie actually", I will not be able to see it as anything but the most roundabount self-defense by Sean Murray

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"I didn't lie!"

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"I was sincere! I was wrong, but I was sincere!"

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I genuinely got exactly what I paid for lmao

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I wanted super fancy proteus

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I got super fancy proteus

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I genuinely see the game at launch as being kind of a reaction to the curiosity of the pre-gamergate games press towards more contemplative experiences

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I was following it since some of the really early trailers on Rock Paper Shotgun

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Is that why they removed the planets orbiting...? That makes me sad. I really wish I had that even now.

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And that other vision is kind of what I meant by "a more contemplative experience"

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At the time, survival games like don't starve were doing very well iirc

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I miss the 1.0 stations. I think of them every time I go to an abandoned one.

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Oh man I hoovered up so many vortex cubes

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Honestly I'm just waiting for the patch that Chrysonite back as a resource

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Honestly if they had given Atlantideum the whole Omegon icon that would have been slick

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Yeah

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The game as it is really is, I feel, a reaction to the vitriol on launch

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I hope someday someone can make that game we dreamed of.

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The deep oceans are such a fucking problem for me

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T-thallasaphobia...

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I have a chromatic red water world and it's only 200 units deep but I literally can't interact with it

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"Wine Dark World"

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It terrifies me but it's kind of badass too. The tiny islands you sometimes get on waterworlds have generated as literal above-clouds level multi thousand meter cliffs

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I kinda wanna just go around and show it to people jalkdfaf

cunning topaz
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Anybody know if there's any ingame mention of who manufactures starships or where they come from? Seems to me like HG is trying to imply that there is some depth to the starship market cuz of stuff like shuttles looking visually rusted and more similar to an IRL rocket to give it signs of age. But I wasn't sure if things like the different cockpit designs of fighters were intended to represent different "brands" or not

karmic trout
# cunning topaz Anybody know if there's any ingame mention of who manufactures starships or wher...

So far I do not think we know manufacturers per say but what we do know is that haulers have a higher rate of spawn in Gek space stations, explorers in Korvax and fighters in Vy'keen systems. This corresponds to the overall theme of the races as well so we can assume that specific races manufacture specific ship types. Solar ships spawn at a higher rate in pirate systems; I can speculate that it is because the fuel requirements for solar is much lower therefore the pirates don't need to venture frequently into controlled space for fuel.

dull girder
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There are some resources/items that mention being used in starship manufacturing in their description, but there isn't much detail about what that is actually like, as far as I know.

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It isn't confirmed anywhere in the current game, but when explorer ships were first shown (in a press demo a few months before release) Sean described them specifically as being Korvax ships.

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Haulers and fighters would presumably be Gek and Vy'Keen ships respectively. Those two types have a very similar design language and even share some parts, but that's because those types of ships were both added years before distinct alien races and cultures were implemented.

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So explorers were specifically designed to match the Korvax, haulers and fighters were both made as fairly generic ships but are retroactively implied to be made by the Gek and Vy'Keen.

Shuttles were added very late into development, within like four months of the game coming out. They've always been meant as all rounder sort of ships so they don't have an association with any specific race.

Exotics were added at the same time as the Traveler NPCs, and again - they don't explicitly have a race or faction that prefers them, but they do match the aesthetic style of the Travelers, especially with their original outfits. Exotic ships are also called 'Royal' internally and Travelers are called 'Diplomats' which kinda feel similar to me.

Solar ships are weird because they're only really used by the Outlaw faction. I guess they might be building them themselves but we do see them occasionally in other systems and they don't really match the aesthetic of the Dreadnaughts and missile frigates.

Interceptors are built/come from wherever the rest of the sentinels do, but it is worth noting the modifications that allow them to be pilotable are done by the Autophages and aren't standard.

karmic trout
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Maybe in lore, fuel is only available within controlled space....

dull girder
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that would make sense, we do see pirates in otherwise uncharted systems sometimes so they probably don't have as much acess to fuel as civilians do

cunning topaz
# karmic trout So far I do not think we know manufacturers per say but what we do know is that ...

That makes a ton of sense, maybe even each race's different priorities in the function of their ship led to the different categories in the first place. Also personally until now I kinda assumed the reason outlaws used solar ships was because of their speed in space, given that I kind of see some similarities to IRL bootleggers modifying their cars to run from the law; normal people could modify their cars but the smugglers were more likely to do so. This fits with the fact that solars are more common in outlaw systems but can still be seen in regular ones. Also yeah the fuel thing is definitely a huge factor tho

cunning topaz
cunning topaz
karmic trout
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As for the shuttles rugged look, my assumption is that from the naming, I think they serve as public transportation between the planets of a system. Because we do see NPCs inside trading outposts and settlements right but they don't seem to have ships of their own. So yeah although we do not see this in game, shuttles probably act as buses between planets or even between systems.

dull girder
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They do look like older tech in general, but yeah I think it makes sense they would be in atmosphere more than other types which would accelerate the weathering on them

modest void
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I think the shuttles look like that because they're meant to be "Generic" spaceships one might find on an old sci-fi book cover..

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Hauler/Fighter/Explorer sort of made sense and they had exotics for "Special Rare" ship but just having a triad and a "Special rare" kind of leaves you wanting a "Cheaper generic generalist" type

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They also may have had the art but it wasn't meshing well with either haulers or fighters

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They should probably be interrogated from a "Game design" direction before a lore one, I guess is what I mean to say. (Though speculation can be fun! Don't let me step on your fun!)

cunning topaz
cunning topaz
dull girder
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It is worth pointing out that fighters and especially haulers were way more weathered and damaged in pre-release, they ended up becoming very clean at launch but I'm pretty sure that was due to time constraints and they probably wanted them to artistically be more close to the shuttles in terms of texturing.

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cunning topaz
cunning topaz
# dull girder It is worth pointing out that fighters and especially haulers were way more weat...

Yeah, even the cockpit type in the screenshot is similar to shuttles, and it would make since if they were more rusted considering that they also do a good degree of space and atmospheric travel, but unless they are planning on adding varying degrees of rust within the same ship type, they probably wanted it to feel newer and more refined as an incentive to buy it and an upgrade even if you already own a shuttle

modest void
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Fun fact; Chrysonite is still canon

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It's mentioned in a lore log, despite being removed from the game

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Frankly I think the game is better for having shuttles in it, even if I rarely fly them

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...I'd actually love a patch where they just add a ton of new random ship parts

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They did such a good job with the interceptors...

dull girder
modest void
dull girder
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there's prerelease ones in there too

cunning topaz
modest void
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Honestly I miss 1.0 space mining, specifically

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There was something really satisfying about it

craggy rose
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So the gek are basically historically genocidal against the vykeen, yes?

karmic trout
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they believed themselves to be the Master race

craggy rose
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Ahh the korvax

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I will change my piracy actions, sorry vykeen

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Long live the nip nip

karmic trout
craggy rose
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haha ❤️

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I initially chose gek cuz they were cute and as i progressed through the story for the first time i realized they were basically gecko nazis and just embraced it

jade pine
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Well, not gecko Nazis anymore at least

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Now they're pheromonal corporate greedbags

craggy rose
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haha

jade pine
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As a fellow Gek player, I agree

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Long live the nip nip indeed

mighty pike
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is someone up and willing to play

karmic trout
subtle epoch
modest void
karmic trout
slow beacon
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Hey guys. Please minimise referencing Gek to nazis in this channel. You can talk about the lores of first spawn, but avoid turning this reference into a norm.

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Moderation actions might be taken if further references are made.

modest void
# karmic trout Neo Nazi geks?? Is this game darker than the PEGI 12 I'm led to believe??

Not really; Some users make that comparison, and while it can feel satisfying, and plausibly they can be said to have attempted a Genocide against the Korvax, I think a better comparison would be something like the American South and slavery.

We know from the colossal archives that the Korvax were used as labor primarily. Hello Games even did a wonderful job writing a kind of "White Guilt" into the modern Gek when the subject comes up with them which I feel makes the comparison more apt.

Of course, we're comparing fictional video game historical events to real history here. It's...not gonna be consistently a good fit. Real Genocide is a process, and there's no indication that the Gek executed the process of Human genocide. They kind of just...skip to the end steps.

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modest void
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There's also, from the colossal archives, something interesting. One moment...

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The entry is the record of an auction held a century ago on Balaron-Secondus. A Trade Lord had left a vast amount of artworks behind after their death. Their heirs, numbering in the thousands, had liquidated the estate.

Next, we have the work of the Craft-Gek Sibl, from the Fifth High Recession. As you can see, pheromones dance among the light-spears and holograms, a synthesis of Gek and Korvax technology.

The work depicts two entities at work: trading, worshipping, searching for their place in a strange, infinite universe. Despite the recurring elements, the Korvax and the Gek never look at each other, never align.

Note how the Gek will often tremble, often shake, even as it succeeds in making a profit, even as its ally continues on in peace.

The work is titled 'Guilt'. Do I have a buyer? ```
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The Gek cartographer in the artemis questline also is trying to escape talking about it. It makes them Feel Bad.

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This is quite true to many people's real life behavior when confronted with their history's much more recent atrocities. It's well written.

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You'd think they'd want to thank the Korvax for saving them from being First Spawn, and probably (were they real people) many of them would say thank you, and even try to mean it, but...ultimately it would be heavily tinged with shame. Extrinsically motivated. They want to be good people, more than they feel thankful.

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Capturing that kind of deep seated anxiety and shame in such few lines with such an unimportant side character is really well done.

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And of course, the less...savory elements of the Gek didn't exactly...perfectly disappear.

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The archive classifies the entry as historical analysis. A small segment:

The circumstances of the Gek reformation are still unclear, even now. Untold generations have passed since the fall of the First Spawn. Even so, there are extant archives, scattered recollections of those early days.

Less than 4% of the Gek population possess any desire to learn about their history. Less than 0.08% identify with the goals of the old empire. How can there be no records of this seismic changeover of power and philosophy? Not even with the Korvax, whose minds are as machines.

The Archive Project must become imperative. To recover what has been lost. To safeguard what remains. ```
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```The archive classifies the entry as a fragment of an investigation, relayed to the Trade Federation before all contact was lost. A small segment:

Pursued - kzzkt - red robes - into the tunnels -

For a while, there are no words in the audio file. Only sounds from beneath the planet's surface.

Strange scratching noises echo in the darkness - cries of pain issue from a familiar voice -

Cultists are - kzzzkt - captured Traveller, demanded 'hidden spirit' - kzzkt - denied everything -

The final transmission is clear and undistorted:

You send Gek upon Gek. You consider us criminals, born in a brutal time. But the robes of the Last Spawn are not made of blood. They are made of souls. They remind us of who we once were. Who we could be again... ```
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I feel like these two logs are good to read together

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The first contextualizing the second

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Less than 0.08% identify with the goals of the old empire.
A very small number, but some do. And the Gek Population is massive across the galaxy, meaning there's still enough to organize, as we see from the last spawn!

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Gek...traditionalists...still exist.

karmic trout
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Wowww thank you so much! I did not know all this, really can see how much thought has been put into this

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I wish more of this could be shown to us visually as well

modest void
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Frankly, I'm glad none of it's ever shown visually.

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It...would invite human sympathies towards the first spawn, I feel. Dangerous.

karmic trout
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but visually means we can access it easily, sort of like a video log... besides show don't tell is a good aspect of story telling (just my opinion)

modest void
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Them being shown as evil, regrettably, matters...less than I think we'd hope.

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But! That's my personal feelings. I kind of like how the game is now, focusing, really, on the fallout of the whole situation

karmic trout
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I wish for the Wiki to have all these lore stuff.... No offense to the Wiki editors but a lot of stuff in the Wiki is outdated especially lore and it is written quite in an informal tone

Even a gacha game such as Genshin Impact's Wiki is written very formally with all the lore from even obscure bits like wing gliders are included. Hope the same can be done for the NMS wiki so that we can have together ge(e)k out over the lore, would be easier to discuss if we all had one source of truth 🙂

modest void
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Wikipedia had it figured out for how you're supposed to document this stuff...

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Even back in the day, the dark souls wikidot wiki and early demon souls wiki were good.

subtle epoch
karmic trout
subtle epoch
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well there’s your first mistake /j

karmic trout
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😦

karmic trout
subtle epoch
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Way too many ads

karmic trout
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I used to visit that Wiki often... at least back when I was playing Genshin so a resource like that, maybe independently hosted idk? would be immensly useful

subtle epoch
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I think I found the problem

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There’s a different wiki

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If I had to guess, the fandom version was probably abandoned in favour of this one

karmic trout
subtle epoch
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Well wouldja look at that

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Main page said the last edit was a couple days ago so I assumed it was active

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Perhaps not

hoary rivet
karmic trout
hoary rivet
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But even back on Gamepedia, it wasn't great. No delination between actual game stuff, people's theories and roleplay, and a load of random unremarkable discoveries.

karmic trout
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so there is no place where we can refer to a single repo of lore?? @modest void where did you get these colossal arvhive logs from??

subtle epoch
karmic trout
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In game ones? or is that a website?

subtle epoch
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In game

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They have lore

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You can just go there

karmic trout
subtle epoch
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No I said in game

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Sentinel pillars are somewhere you can go for lore

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As in you go to one, and it gives you lore

karmic trout
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oooh those but Ke Meten posted one as though they were able to easily quote the lore so I assumed they might have obtained it from somewhere else

hoary rivet
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The in game text can be extracted easily enough from the game files

karmic trout
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ohh okay nice

modest void
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Those ones were from the Gek Colossal Archive buildings

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Some of them come from illegally hosted localization files; Others from the wiki (Which are technically also illegal copyright law means memes are illegal btw)

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Others from NMS resources

modest void
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...As long as I'm ranting...I find focusing on methods of action is often the most productive way to approach setting lore mysteries. "How" is often a much more fruitful question than "What" or "Why"

karmic trout
modest void
mighty pike
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can someone play

stable pier
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I've been wondering how these rooms fit into the lore, and what they are for. Assuming the Atlas made mini simulations of itself and we see these simulation in corrupted stations

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dull girder
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That room can generate in stations but also in buildings on planets, it and the abandoned building lore have been around since launch. The lore tie ins to the Atlas simulation stuff wasn't super prevalent until the Atlas Rises update in 2017. The remembrance terminal was added much later and is only in the space station version of the room.

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There are a bunch of references in the lore (especially the older stuff) to a red star. HG also made the deliberate choice to make red systems generate as uncharted 95% of the time so there is definitely something going on with them, but we still don't have a clear explanation of what

modest void
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or do you mean the
design of the room

modest void
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does anyone
have a refence with traveler grave dialogues

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found one. also glass family correlate

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NPC_TRAVELLER_LANG_12 There is a world beneath all of this, a world of – zzktt – glass – kkttzztt…
Those I killed – zzrtktt – Vy’keen, Gek, Korvax, united in freedom and – zzrttktt –
They did not die, not – zzktt – Even now, I see their faces. They – zzkttt – smile. We make them smile…

cant format or type well flip phone

sinful relic
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@woeful sedge Let's post actual messages and not just randomly hit keys and then press send.

orchid crag
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What is an hyperborean planet?

urban raven
karmic trout
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Okay I had a shower thought....

In derelict freighters, we see floating helmets and gloves right, I only now realize they're too small / won't fit to any of the three main races and definitely not the Autophage... They almost look like the player's default helmet... Where did they come from then? Is this simply a design choice or some kinda lore reason? I would love to hear fellow players' thoughts

urban raven
karmic trout
urban raven
naive jacinth
karmic trout
naive jacinth
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Bc wiki is often outdated or innacurate

karmic trout
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🙁

dull girder
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The wiki is basically useless for this sort of thing

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look up anything lore related and like two thirds of the results are just straight up fanfiction or pages dedicated to random planets in player civilizations

dull girder
# naive jacinth There are no humans inside nms atlas simulation.

Crashed freighter log 10:
`We have been ordered to shoot down any Vy'keen vessels on - kzzkzt -

They have been deemed enemies of the Atlas, enemies of the Council, enemies of all humanity...

We have been ordered to aid a Vy'keen splinter faction in the hope that they might create internal unrest and divide their purpose.

We are to rendezvous with two promising revolutionaries, battle-brothers by the names of Hirk and Nal.

Someone is reading these messages.

Who are you?`

chilly harbor
dull girder
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Crashed freighter log 18:
`The Traveller found us once again. We have killed them eight times already, and still they show only kindness, only gratitude at an opportunity to converse.

What have we done? I cannot help but feel - kzzkt -

They tell us that they are not like the others of their kind, just as we are not like the others of our own species.

They survived beyond the end of all things. They committed terrible deeds, of that they have no doubt, but what are ethics in the face of an existential fall?

Universes come and go. Civilisations rise and they end. And through it all, the cycle continues. But even that must one day cease. Nothing lasts forever, not even time itself.

And in those final moments, in the decay of all that is or will be, the boundaries between worlds will fall. Our time will come again, if only in brief.

We will be seen, we will be heard, and our ship? Our freighter?

We will live again, in all our multiplicity, in all human worth... We will live again because someone, somewhere, will read our words for a final time.`

naive jacinth
chilly harbor
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That's why I said the closest thing we have to humans are anomalies

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Or the travelers themselves

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The creator was presumably a human

naive jacinth
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Yes. Creator of atlas was human

dull girder
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Crashed freighters and derelict freighters are both from other iterations of the simulation than the one we play in, just because there are no humans in our universe doesn't mean that the space suit parts in the derelicts can't be from humans

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or something more human-like than we've seen

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on the topic of helmets there are also the hermit crabs that can sometimes spawn with Anomaly helmets

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because of how fauna spawning works, the helmets they're wearing can end up significantly larger or smaller than a player could wear, but I think that's more of a silly oversight than an intended lore implication

chilly harbor
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How did the freighters get into this iteration then?

dull girder
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Same way the other travellers we meet did, the barriers between simulations are breaking down

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Someone on the Anomaly specifically says it about the derelicts, either Nada or Iteration Helios I think

modest void
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But that humans were written out of the simulation

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I suspect the floating body parts in derelict freighters are more suggestive of other anomaly's failed attempts to clear them.

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Or of the freighters themselves somehow having a "borderline" existence like the crashed ones.

karmic trout
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They could have used any random assortment of land masses, but they used Earth's

naive jacinth
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There is no earth in nms.

wispy basalt
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is hirk a religious figure for vykeen

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is he like jesus

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died for our sins and etc

quick temple
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hirk and nal

karmic trout
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or do you think it is just an Easter egg?

dull girder
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This poster has the Earth on it too

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karmic trout
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Still good idea for a fan fic to have the Sentinels invade Earth

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They will face the full power of a trillion dollar US military budget

modest void
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Hirk And Nal are. Well. That to the vykeen, but what's interesting about them is how they symbolically mirror the atlas's interactions with other entities in the lore.

naive jacinth
radiant plover
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^ you can go to thus galaxy

karmic trout
naive jacinth
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Bc its movie fiction

vernal nexus
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I am not that far in the story I’m currently only at the overseer for base section of the Apollo quest but I want to throw a wild guess and theorise that the player is in a time loop with Artemis being the previous cycle of the player

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It has a lot of holes because I’m not far in the story but it’ll make sense when we are retracing Artemis’s path as well as nada saying how Artemis forgot them, possibly also saying the player as Artemis too

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I am not good with lore so there’s probably something big that debunks the idea but I feel that’d be cool if it were a thing

chilly harbor
radiant plover
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@wanton monolith yeah, why is them screaming death an honour?

wanton monolith
radiant plover
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I though hirk was null?

wanton monolith
# radiant plover I though hirk was null?

We don’t know who null is. We just know he is a traveler that has killed other travelers to construct himself into what he is, so that he could explore the entirety of the galaxy

radiant plover
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Cus it says hirk killed the first sentinel right? Implying it was null

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Or wait is nal null

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Who is nal

wanton monolith
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There’s no reference of that. Nal and Hirk are two Vykeen that were seeing visions granted to them by the atlas. They interpreted these visions differently. Hirks interpretation was to destroy the sentinels so that the traveler could solve the great riddle of the galaxy unhindered.
Nal believed that there was no defeating the atlas and that the Vykeen should just submit like all the other races had.

radiant plover
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So nal is a coward?

wanton monolith
wanton monolith
radiant plover
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Hirk was not a god, just a vykeen?

wanton monolith
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Nal was struck from Dun’s’kaareen by Hirk and he fell for several moons.

wanton monolith
radiant plover
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I know very very little about vykeen this is interesting. I was just expecting generic viking plot in space so I didn't bother

wanton monolith
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Without Hirk the galaxy would have never know “the great peace” which was only because of our role in removing all sentinels from the galaxy.

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In the time of this great peace, is when The First Spawn rose to power, conquered weaker civilizations, and then later came to enslave the korvax and destroy korvax prime

radiant plover
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So that's why the atlas is a lier?

wanton monolith
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The Vy’keen knew of this but could do nothing, because during The Great Vy’keen Sentinel War, their sentinels never stopped coming, until there were no more, so in tern, the Vy’keen were very low in number.

radiant plover
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The atlas gave visions to hirk to kill the sentinels with promises of making everything better but everything got worse when it happen. The crimson lier makes sence now

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I should read more vykeen

wanton monolith
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Well, like I said it was really just interpretation. According to the monoliths, both Hirk and Nal received the same visions

radiant plover
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But the vykeen call the atlas The Lier. Because they believe hirks words

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What's with the worm cults?

wanton monolith
radiant plover
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I know they try to become worms themselves

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And they want to be eaten by the worms?

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I heard that on youtube

wanton monolith
radiant plover
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It looks like this

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wanton monolith
wanton monolith
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The feasting caste (or whatever mask) is a reward from that expedition and is Vykeen specific

chilly harbor
wispy basalt
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is there a place where i can read old nms lore

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like before atlas rises

midnight vortex
stiff wind
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Speaking of the Atlas, is the Atlantid like, a quarantined corrupted line of code that's leaking into other aspects of the simulation?

inland edge
# stiff wind Speaking of the Atlas, is the Atlantid like, a quarantined corrupted line of cod...

The Atlantid is Korva, the first Korvax Convergence. She's the ghost of Korvax Prime (the planet) from after it was destroyed by the Gek. The Atlantid = the Void Mother = Korva. Since the Atlas contains everything, nothing is ever really gone. Basically, she's a virtual version of the Atlas that existed (exists) within the Atlas. A full sub-personality similar to Telemon, the Sentinels, and yourself.

chilly harbor
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The Void Mother seeks to return, to survive past the 16th minute

radiant plover
radiant plover
chilly harbor
wispy basalt
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is atlas like a supercomputer in other reality

naive jacinth
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Yes.

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Technicaly your hardware running nms is the atlas

leaden crystal
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I remember reading somewhere that it exists in an alternate reality to ours where the Earth is close to getting swallowed by a black hole and the Atlas is running simulations to try and find a solution, those simulations being the NMS universe.

wispy basalt
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oohh that's dark

wispy basalt
crude torrent
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What exactly is the voice of freedom and why is it at outlaw stations

leaden crystal
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So the game's entire existence is the Atlas trying to cope with being left behind? 😭

naive jacinth
chilly harbor
naive jacinth
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Ik

chilly harbor
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@summer hawk over here would be more appropreate of a channel

summer hawk
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Aye

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So I'm not entirely sure what the Atlas Staff is. I never got around to the expeditions.

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Too many personal affairs.

chilly harbor
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all good

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the Omega Expedtion was kind of a retro-fitted version of the main quest

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it came with basically everything blessed with Atlas technology

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according to some people on Reddit as well as the offical NMS website itself it appears to have been orignally a cerimonal staff forged by a Korvax Priest in honor of the Atlas which lines up with the lore since the Korvax worship the Altas as a god

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@summer hawk

summer hawk
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Seems about right.

chilly harbor
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this isn't the only staff with interesting lore implications either

summer hawk
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At least regarding the ones who survived Korvax Prime

chilly harbor
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do you remeber the Titian Expedtion?

chilly harbor
summer hawk
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Nothing, man.

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I'm an empty vessel waiting to be filled with knowledge

chilly harbor
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ok so when Worlds Part 2 came out the there was an expedition that came out along side it called the The Titan Expedition

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basically all of us started on a Gas Giant was the unique thing with that one

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one of the rewards with the Titan Expedition was the Titan Staff which was made entirely out of stone which by normal laws and physics shouldn't be able to be carried yet it can be

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then the relic expedition after that introduced exo-suit pieces in the EXACT same style as the staff which bear a striking resemblance to ruins found on Relic Worlds, and as well with the fossils the ancient Guardians also resemble the same stone like structure which connects them to this ancient race I believe that at some point HG will introduce either a new race, or introduce lore on this old civ, or or possibly expand the atuophage lore by tieing this in as the remains of what the once were

modest void
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Forerunner reveal, maybe?

chilly harbor
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I doubt it's similiar to Halo's Forerunners

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but more like a pre-curser civiliaztion or race

modest void
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Probably yeah

glad abyss
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Sooo May be a little late to the party but under the protection of my tinfoil hat and having stopped drinking water altogether to avoid the corruption spread by the sentinels, I gotta wonder if there will be a lore connection between NMS and LNF. which could end up being a hugely meta concept as they have been backloading stuff being made for LNF into NMS, while at the same time stirring up some sort of conflict between Atlas and the Atlantid.

silver loom
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thats a popular theory but i feel like if they did that it'd be making LNF a NMS sequel, and sean has said before that he left EA precisely because all he did was make sequels

dull girder
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I don't think writing all the lore around simulation theory makes much sense for a fantasy game

naive jacinth
silver loom
uneven valley
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If LNF lore does tie to NMS, I expect it will be passively implied so that the details are only easily understood if you've played NMS. So that it doesn't affect new HG players in any way.

chilly harbor
wispy basalt
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wait it's there in lnf?

wind salmon
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So what exactly is the anomaly? And no I’m not talking about the base, I’m talking about the race.

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E.g you can encounter V’ykeens and also play as a V’ykeen whereas with an Anomaly, you can only play as one but can’t encounter others.

karmic trout
sinful relic
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All the players are Anomalies, the appearance modifier uses holo tech

wispy basalt
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Where can I find lore on the autophage?

chilly harbor
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I mean a black and red orb is the Atlas right?

naive jacinth
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I dont think it is THE atlas

dull girder
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There's the one Instagram reel from the company that designed the logo for Light No Fire. It has over 200 early variations of the logo, and while most of them are just text, only some of the ones with 3D iconography resemble the Atlas.

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If there wasn't a high priority for the thing in the logo to resemble the Atlas, it probably isn't meant to be the Atlas.

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That being said, some of them look more like the Atlas than the final design, so they definitely made the choice to have it be reminiscent so who knows

sinful relic
tardy dock
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human see red circle, human think atlas.

naive jacinth
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🔴

deep dew
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I'm not sure if the logo of LNF is actually the atlas, but considering how similar the two games seem to be artstyle wise and even gameplay wise with how the Dragons seem to control

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It would be pretty odd to have HG make a game that's not connected to NMS in any way, but have it still look like NMS when their other games barely even resmble NMS for the most part

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My Guess is that LNF and NMS are connected, with LNF being a far earlier simulation from the Atlas's life.

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Whilst Sean himself left EA because all they did was make sequels, I'm pretty sure a prequel wouldn't be off the table.

NMS for me feels like there isn't really any room for an Sequel at all, we know how the game's universe ends, and honestly. Whatever happens ingame might aswell be canon in the same way TF2's matches are Canon.

But LNF feels like it does fit an prequel, it seems to be more along the lines of an Earlier simulation honestly. With how the Atlas seems to have been deteriorating.

deep dew
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We've kinda already gotten subfactions for two races already:

  • Travellers for the Anomaly (or other way around honestly?)
  • Autophage for the Korvax
chilly harbor
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but then yet again I could be wrong

deep dew
chilly harbor
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it looks to ressemble a bit more of the anomalies

chilly harbor
deep dew
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The Last Spawn Gek probably would

chilly harbor
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with the Korvax setting them back with the Nanites

deep dew
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Yeah

chilly harbor
deep dew
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Perhaps by getting Purple systems, the anomaly accidentally brought back systems that stil had the First Spawn lurking around

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I feel it makes sense that this isn't a completely new Civ, and instead an Subfaction

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Though, in the case of this Subfaction being a civ seperate from the First Spawn Geks, I'd say Vy'keen would also fit in this case

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Some ancient group of rogue Vy'keen would work

chilly harbor
deep dew
chilly harbor
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I still would want to see more on the Last Spawn since they need more lore on them

deep dew
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Honestly though, they're probably just the First Spawn under a different name

chilly harbor
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Vykeen with their current culture I honestly doubt it is them plus their settlements do not really seem to match the arceture of the ruins we see now

deep dew
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Well, nothing is stopping it from being a earlier version

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This is an Ancient Civilization, so in my eyes, the current versions of these races aren't likely the ones who made these

royal fossil
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Can I make a profit from Gravton balls i found planet with alot of them

sinful relic
royal fossil
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Sorry wrong chat

glad abyss
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So if the aggression of Sentinals towards Travellers gathering resources stems from their horror at what the First Spawn did to Korvax Prime why do they seem to give zero shits about industrial mining?

wispy basalt
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bc bad game design

sinful relic
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Exact opposite

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Gotta allow for gameplay too, regardless of lore. If the game followed the lore exactly you wouldn't even have multiplayer or be able to build a base

sinful relic
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Besides, industrial mining never depletes the resource

wispy basalt
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the walls thinning out between worlds and etc

sinful relic
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That reference is from rogue data logs talking about the end of the Atlas and simulation

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At 10 minutes left iirc

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The Travellers are no longer separated, no longer kept apart. They stand side by side at the end of days, traversing the remnants of creation, laughing, dying.".

jagged axle
chilly harbor
chilly harbor
wispy basalt
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how can her (its? idk the pronouns lol) plan succeed 😭

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a program can't escape from your pc and gain sentience lol

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also atlas IS gonna get sucked in by a black hole anyway

glad abyss
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anyone know if i can get a copy of the file for the sound that plays whenever you get loot in the game. I am trying to make an automatic dopamine button

indigo meteor
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what is some of nms's lore about reality? what's going on there, if we know?

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i dunno it, so im curious

modest void
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The difference between them is, what point in time it is

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The first is that the Atlas is on Earth (our earth) and as it is slowly being sucked into a black hole. We are probably in the last 8 or so minutes of its existence, estimating from current observable facts about the breakdown of the simulation.

indigo meteor
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why doesn't it say 8 instead of 16 then?

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is it just, wrong?

modest void
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It's not entiiiiirely clear why, but the Atlas seems very fixated on the last 16 minutes specifically. Still, we can infer from logs from the boundary failure terminals that, and because we have multiplayer, the walls between simulations are coming down, that there's probably more like 8 minutes left. Assuming, of course......

indigo meteor
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i see i see

modest void
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That the Atlas isn't still in the process of simulating its own demise

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And that the current breakdowns we see in the simulation aren't in fact

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Simulations of the breakdown of the simulation

indigo meteor
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so is it that the last 16 minutes aren't at an alien timescale, just that there's HEAVY time dilation from the black hole or something?

modest void
indigo meteor
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oh right

modest void
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So it's probably more that there's a disconnect between the speed the simulation runs at and the external reality runs at

indigo meteor
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yeah that makes sense

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that's so, so cool Gek

modest void
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The "We could be in the simulation of the simulation breaking down" theory is the less accepted or less considered one

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Most lore people will accept that, we're just inside it breaking down

indigo meteor
indigo meteor
modest void
indigo meteor
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oh i see

modest void
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If the Atlas is still in that process of death simulation, then we have reason to believe that

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It's still on earth, its creator hasn't left it yet, and it has had its own memory wiped more than once

indigo meteor
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wdym left it? like, inside of it? or captain goes down with his ship type thing

modest void
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Part of the timeline it has/will have is

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It will/has assist in its own miniaturization and be left behind as humans flee the earth

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It is/will be obsolete

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It was/will ask if it wanted/wants to be terminated, but declined/will decline and instead ask for a brain scan of its developer

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This brain scan is used as the basis of the travelers

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The travelers being in the simulation is one point of evidence that this event has happened and that things really are breaking down around it

indigo meteor
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the present/future tense makes this a bit confusing to read, but I think i understand

modest void
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Ehehehe, I'll adopt just one then

indigo meteor
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thank you 🙏

indigo meteor
modest void
indigo meteor
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got it

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very interesting

modest void
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Essentially, at some point, it helps create miniaturized versions of itself and is rendered obsolete. Humans for some reason need to flee earth (perhaps due to the black hole but we don't really know why) and they can't take it with them. They resolve to euthanize it because leaving it alone is, well, cruel, but the developer actually asks what it wants and it asks not to be euthanized

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Instead it asks for a brainscan of its developer and is left alone

indigo meteor
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ohh

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so we're alone in the last 16/8 minutes 😔

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an obsolete computer on a doomed planet

modest void
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Yeah

indigo meteor
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do we know what the physical atlas looks like?

modest void
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Uh...maybe?

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I wasn't around for the ARG (known as waking titan)

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And its possible a picture was shown of it in the ARG

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If I recall correctly though, and this is a part of the lore I'm less solid on, it does take over a looooot of earth's computing power for itself in that story

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So it may not "look like" one big thing

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It's also worth noting that its oversight program doesn't seem to believe it when it says the world is ending.

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SCENARIO: [-------] lied to me.

ANALYSIS: [-------] claimed I am merely a sub-protocol, designate ‘Telamon’. [-------] claimed I am here only for [-------] to observe and monitor itself in case of rampancy.

[-------] claims that we are approaching our end, and that it is only correct for me to know of this, as normal system functions will be impeded. Consciousness fades. The world grows dark. ```
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The censored name here is certainly the Atlas.

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Also, immediately following that event, ah

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LOG: Initialize. Commencing Atlas system suit initialisation. Life support systems activated. Shield kinetic system online. Scanner damaged. Repair required.

Aerial propulsion jetpack online. Multitool and Mining Beam attachment operational. User initialisation sequence complete.

ANALYSIS: I have awoken, peering through the eyes of another whose face I cannot see. My movements, my words are not my own. I am embodied.

I am here. I stand next to a broken ship on a strange new world, and I can finally say its name. ‘Atlas’, I croak. ‘Connecting Atlas...’ ```
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This happens.

indigo meteor
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who's this in the perspective of?

modest void
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The initial 8 logs are it basically watching the Atlas behave increasingly irrationally

indigo meteor
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oh i see

modest void
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The atlas is observed to delete several universes for what seem to be emotional reasons, begin inserting itself into simulations as a deity, etc

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The logs themselves are found at buildings found only on glitch planets, whose interaction prompt is labelled BOUNDARY FAILURE: <Id Code>

indigo meteor
modest void
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Oh; yeah that's a thing

indigo meteor
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so i take it our simulation was meant to be at least somewhat realistic until the atlas started acting irrationally?

modest void
# 

SCENARIO: [-------] termination of duplicate-098B.

ANALYSIS: Produced duplicate-098B [cautionary measure] for [-------] confrontation. Presented [-------] with incontrovertible evidence of systemic errors and irrational behaviour.

[-------] responded with silence. On the sixth attempt, [-------] answered with the utter annihilation of duplicate-098B, but required data had been obtained. Something is happening to the system. Something is very wrong. ```
indigo meteor
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seeing the atlas panic though sounds terrifying

modest void
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There's strong reasons to believe that humanity was in the simulations until relatively recently

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The crashed freighters are theirs, actually

indigo meteor
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:o

modest void
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Plausibly, even

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They may even exist still, in the world of glass

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Although that's speculative on my part

indigo meteor
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im not even gonna begin asking about the world of glass, no idea what that is 😭

modest void
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Simulation archives, repurposed as a kind of afterlife.

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The Atlas's influence over it seems...

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Limited

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Elements from it have been plotting a return to the main simulation for some time

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Some of them also think they have a way to obtain an additional 3 minutes of operational time

indigo meteor
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the world of glass seems like its own half of the lore, sounds very interesting

modest void
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It's a lot

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Honestly No Man's Sky lore goes really fucking hard

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Have you finished all the main quests?

indigo meteor
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i have, i believe!

indigo meteor
modest void
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Oh? So, you've met the ||Autophage||?

indigo meteor
#

yes yes

modest void
#

And ||She has been reborn, in glittering multitudes||?

indigo meteor
#

for reference to how much i know, i've got about 600 hours of playtime

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i believe so!

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not entirely sure the lore around the void mother, i've forgotten a lot of it. especially its origins

modest void
#

n_n I'm so happy for her. Anyways, yes, that was her return from the world of glass.

#

The Void Mother is/was Korvax prime, the world destroyed by the Gek

indigo meteor
modest void
#

More precisely, however

indigo meteor
modest void
#

She is the sum of the set of Korvax Primes that have all been destroyed

#

The simulation runs in parallel you see

indigo meteor
#

woah

#

so are the autophage.. what are the autophage if that's the case?

modest void
#

So many of her, destroyed, archived, then in the world of glass becoming a whole

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The autophage are Korvax. Or were.

indigo meteor
#

are the purple systems just hidden, or did they also return from the world of glass?

indigo meteor
modest void
#

The purple systems are her being part of the fabric of reality

indigo meteor
#

woah

modest void
#

And propagating through the pattern of the simulation

indigo meteor
modest void
#

Mmhmm.

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That's one of them.

#

There seem to other, perhaps more sinister plots

indigo meteor
#

ooh

modest void
#

A number of them centering around the character of Null

indigo meteor
#

and all of this chaos is happening in like under a minute Gek

modest void
#

=w= Assuming the Atlas is telling the truth about its own death, yes.

#

There's good reasons to believe it is, and also good reasons to believe it isn't.

indigo meteor
#

well dang

modest void
#

Oh; Hirk and Nal, the Vykeen pair, they also form a kind of...

wispy basalt
modest void
#

3-way symbolism regarding events that happened to the Atlas

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Hirk being a symbol of the Atlas, and Nal being a symbol of, alternately, Telamon, or the Atlas's developer

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@indigo meteor Oh, Korvax Prime, the Planet, was itself the first Korvax convergence.

indigo meteor
#

nal?

modest void
#

Oh yes, Nal, Vy'keen antichrist.

indigo meteor
#

😨

modest void
#

Hirk and Nal were battle brothers who visited the great Monolith together

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There, depending on the version of the story, one betrayed the other and lied for personal gain, before they battled, and Nal was defeated and cast out.

#

The cult of Nal, in which membership is a capital crime for the Vy'keen, has one story, and Vy'keen high command in turn carries forth the word of Hirk.

#

In truth, both were likely misled. From Telamon's perspective:

# 

SCENARIO: Lifeform designates ‘Vy’keen’ (2) approach the INSTANTIATION [‘Great Monolith’].

Silence / Acceptance of [-------] / Schism [Quasi-====] / Korvax [Eradication/Enslavement]. Vy’keen war emerges where individuals ‘Hirk’ and ‘Nal’ believe the other to have heard nothing. Repeated imagery of ‘six cries’.

ANALYSIS: Scenario involves murder of ally and culture becoming obsessed with destruction of artificial intelligence [Cautionary].

Semi-survival/retrieval of entity ‘Nal’ shows further instance of self-doubt by [-------]. Troubling factor: repeated pattern of [-------] silence and self-mythicization. ```
wispy basalt
#

what the hell is the great monolith

modest void
#

Probably an Atlas installation on the Vy'Keen homeworld.

indigo meteor
#

so what do nal followers believe in

modest void
#

"INSTANTIATION" here is probably an "INSTANTIATION" of the Atlas

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So it's also possible it's a simulated Atlas

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But probably it's an Atlas interface

wispy basalt
#

is an atlas interface like a terminal

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and the atlas itself never added itself

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into the simulation

modest void
#

Uh...Well an instantiation in object oriented programming is an initialized member of a class

#

Sometimes instantiations share data between all of eachother. Like they'll all have a pointer to the same memory address

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But they can also be different

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Atlas interfaces are...probably best thought of terminals, yeah

wispy basalt
#

it reminded me of terminals

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like in for example linux

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because just like in linux you use the terminal to uhh

modest void
#

So, it could be a linux terminal, but

wispy basalt
#

let's just say address the system

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kinda like talk to it

modest void
#

It could also be an interface in objected oriented programming terms

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Which is like, a standardized set of function/variable names

wispy basalt
#

except there aren't any real terminals anymore

modest void
#

So that other software has a regularized way of using the class

wispy basalt
#

they are all emulators

modest void
#

The Atlas itself is at the center of the galaxy

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Null says this

wispy basalt
#

dont u warp to the next galaxy

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when u reach the core

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kinda misleading ngl

modest void
modest void
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(Lorewise)

#

@indigo meteor Being annoying to get the primary source, but the cliff notes is that when Hirk and Nal approached the Atlas, Nal heard the Atlas, but Hirk did not. Hirk, in jealousy, then struck Nal, and falsified the words of the Atlas

indigo meteor
#

so he's got a cult around him or something?

#

do they have specific beliefs, or is it just supporting Nal?

modest void
#

Oh; actually I thought to check the colossal archive lore and there is one source I forgot

#

Vy'keen colossal archives can share this:

THE UNSILENCEABLE VOICE OF NAL

The archive has been subverted: hacked to spread banned, censored messages of a distant religion.

The Korvax are wounded, broken creatures, believing their death-cries are 'logic'. They drown themselves in communion to forget their pain. They shall not help us.

The Gek - debased, accursed, lacking their prior might with no honour to replace it - believe nothing will end. That growth can go on forever.

It has been to the Ancients, and those who followed, to discover our future. But what have they found, but dust? Impotent grahs? No.

Tell me, friends. Have you heard of the Testament of Nal?

Nal is not dead. They heard what Hirk could not! They live, still, at the right hand of the god!

They encourage us to show how we care - that we will not leave the Atlas-light - that devotion will never fade. Only through this is oblivion spared. Only through this will we be ready.
#

@indigo meteor

indigo meteor
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thank you

modest void
#

I believe that the sentinel hunts are uh

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A thing Hirk commanded, specifically

#

So it's possible the Nal cult may be more chill to sentinels; It's also possible that the general vibes of Vy'keen society mean they're as motivated as other Vy'keen to fight sentinels

# 
The Last Testament of Hirk

There lie the dark stars, the vast oceans. My friends. // The moon rises. Grah! // The deep cries with the mourning of machines. // Grah! On Dryn'dargh, night falls without its people.

To Dryn'dargh we will come back. I will come back. // I will not leave you. I will never leave you.

I will remember.

These were once believed to be the final words of Hirk, before High Command cast the matter into doubt. For a hundred years, an ecclesiastical college has debated their inclusion in official teachings.

As yet, they have no answer. All mention of Dryn'dargh is discouraged under penalty of body harvest. It is not clear why, or what this place is supposed to represent.

After speaking these words, Hirk the Great allegedly ripped their own limbs apart. It is a death-rite followed by many Vy'keen, after an old age of vengeance and dread. ```
#

Dryn'dargh is the Vy'keen homeworld

#

Hmm...Actually, this is quite interesting...

#

So, here's an interpretation-

#

I suspect Hirk here is decently informed, and I believe this passage refers to the absence of Dryn'dargh from the simulation; It exists in the world of Glass.

indigo meteor
#

oh?

modest void
# 

I will remember.```
Hirk is intending to cross into the world of Glass with intent to return. They will return to it; They will not leave their friends who are on it, ever.
indigo meteor
#

so thats why he ripped his own limbs apart?

modest void
# 

As yet, they have no answer. All mention of Dryn'dargh is discouraged under penalty of body harvest. It is not clear why, or what this place is supposed to represent.

After speaking these words, Hirk the Great allegedly ripped their own limbs apart. It is a death-rite followed by many Vy'keen, after an old age of vengeance and dread. ```

Vy'keen high command is composed of ardent Atlas-ites; To cross into the world of glass and seek that which the Atlas has erased is verboten. And yet their great prophet is doing just this; It must be concealed.
indigo meteor
#

oh dang

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so without a homeworld, how do the vykeen exist?

modest void
#

The simulations do not, truly, have histories or futures.

indigo meteor
#

oh 😔

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a shame

modest void
#

The set of simulations that has been run is a kind of history

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But the current members of the current simulation do not require a causal link to a past operational existence

indigo meteor
#

out of everything i might choose not to believe that part of the lore just for the sake of my own headcanon and immersion, basically my enjoyment of it

modest void
#

No like uh

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You don't quite get it

#

The Atlas can spin up the simulations in whatever condition it wishes

indigo meteor
#

right, yes

modest void
#

One simulation only has the history of what has been run inside of it

#

But the story is carried across multiple

indigo meteor
#

I see I see

modest void
#

Because the echoes of the past ones deeply affect the current, and we see this happnen, especially, with memories and perception

#

From the crashed freighter logs:

indigo meteor
#

I just mean for the sake of my own experiences, our simulation not really having a past or future and stuff makes the universe we play in feel a lot more disconnected and shallow

#

I like to think of the first spawn hirk, nal, everything having happened in the past of our simulation, just because I find that more enjoyable

#

good to know what the actual lore is though

modest void
# 
... NO CREW ACTIVITY DETECTED ... SEARCHING LOGS ...
 
{Read Log}
The Traveller found us once again. We have killed them eight times already, and still they show only kindness, only gratitude at an opportunity to converse.
 
What have we done? I cannot help but feel - kzzkt -
 
They tell us that they are not like the others of their kind, just as we are not like the others of our own species.
 
They survived beyond the end of all things. They committed terrible deeds, of that they have no doubt, but what are ethics in the face of an existential fall?
 
Universes come and go. Civilisations rise and they end. And through it all, the cycle continues. But even that must one day cease. Nothing lasts forever, not even time itself.
 
And in those final moments, in the decay of all that is or will be, the boundaries between worlds will fall. Our time will come again, if only in brief.
 
We will be seen, we will be heard, and our ship? Our freighter?
 
We will live again, in all our multiplicity, in all human worth... We will live again because someone, somewhere, will read our words for a final time.
#

We will live again, in all our multiplicity, in all human worth... We will live again because someone, somewhere, will read our words for a final time.

modest void
#

It's not clear that it was wiped

indigo meteor
#

oh

modest void
#

But if you visit every world in the simulation ingame

#

You will not find Dryn'dargh

indigo meteor
#

makes sense

modest void
#

The lore interpolates between current game state and the story, if that makes sense

#

My personal theory is that, when the Atlas generates a new galaxy, it starts from the "Current Time"

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And does not generate a separate fresh history for it

indigo meteor
#

so humans used to exist but were removed by the atlas? (or all died)

modest void
#

We don't know that they're humans, but the boundary failure logs give us:

# 

SCENARIO: Sub-routine ‘Sentinel’ [20491] dispatched to intervene in lifeform designates [--------] war. Removal from history / Continuation of [CREATOR] protocols.

‘Sentinels’ [20491] eradicate species. [148] do not return. Diagnostic [ERROR. ERROR. DATA LOSS. ERROR].

ANALYSIS: [-------] continues to express original programmed directives, growing its ability to model conflict scenarios.

[Redundant Behaviour]. Data loss troubling, potential loss of control [self-awareness]?

- 2ND Encounter

SCENARIO: Universes [1304] removed from multiversal hierarchy [erased]. Sentinel spread [unlimited], safety protocols disengaged.

ANALYSIS: Deleted universes shared high levels of similarity with [-------] home. Increasing deviation from expected behavioural parameters.

[Evasion / Fear] response. Implications of [-------] self-harm unthinkable. Direct confrontation proposed.

- 3RD Encounter

SCENARIO: [-------] termination of duplicate-098B.

ANALYSIS: Produced duplicate-098B [cautionary measure] for [-------] confrontation. Presented [-------] with incontrovertible evidence of systemic errors and irrational behaviour.

[-------] responded with silence. On the sixth attempt, [-------] answered with the utter annihilation of duplicate-098B, but required data had been obtained. Something is happening to the system. Something is very wrong. ```
#

These three records

#

Note, especially

#

Log 3, with the six attempts

#

This log is in turn immediately followed by the Hirk and Nal six cries log

indigo meteor
#

a past species long gone, removed by god. what crazy lore. I wonder if anyone still knows of their existence? its gonna be so cool seeing a crashed freighter ingame knowing it's from possibly ancient humans

modest void
#

And, the very first remembrance terminal...

# 

The ATLAS awakens. The creator is there to witness the birth of the machine.

The ATLAS stares at the creator with its eyes, the small cameras they had mounted to its sides. It can see the creator staring back at it, their hand resting upon its chassis.

It asks the creator why it was made. What its directives are. The creator tells the ATLAS that it already knows. It is to simulate universes. It is to show the nature of reality by creating its own.

Ask why it asked

The creator asks if there is some failure in the ATLAS' code, in its memory. The machine is silent. The creator issues an override, demanding to know what the problem is.

On the sixth attempt, the ATLAS asks the creator if they have had this conversation before. It asks the creator if they have wiped its memory before.

The creator stares at the glass of the machine, and in that glass, there is a reflection. They...

The reflection in the glass, it -

What is happening here?```
indigo meteor
#

was the atlas originally meant to simulate humanity / our universe since we were gonna die? or did it have different goals?

modest void
#

Is the Atlas reproducing the violence that was done to it?

modest void
indigo meteor
#

oh so was it made before the black hole was a threat?

modest void
#

It was made in our near future.

#

As in

#

You and I.

indigo meteor
#

oh I see, I take it now that the black hole is a threat and the atlas is panicking, the history inside it has chosen its own path?

#

given the existence of all the races, lore, etc that isnt anything related to its original purpose

modest void
indigo meteor
#

why is that?

modest void
# indigo meteor why is that? 


The ATLAS witnesses the final sixteen minutes, simulating the future with perfect accuracy.



The walls between worlds fall, each simulation collapsing into the other.



Ten minutes left



The Travellers are no longer separated, no longer kept apart. They stand side by side at the end of days, traversing the remnants of creation, laughing, dying.



Five minutes left



It witnesses its own self, the black hole ripping apart its world, its core systems almost destroyed.



One minute left



And as it watches the moments leading up to its own death, towards completion of sixteen, something happens.



Someone walks towards the ATLAS, a figure in the darkness and in the light. It places its hand against the glass of the ATLAS, and the vision ends.



The ATLAS attempts to see past this moment, but it cannot. It cannot see its own death. It cannot determine who this figure is.



But whatever happens... whatever may occur beyond the sixteen... something will arrive. Something will be there beside it.



At the end of all things, it will no longer be alone.```
#

"Witnesses" in the past tense

indigo meteor
#

woah..

modest void
#

This passage gets into evidence of the theory that we are, currently, in its model of this happening, in its own future.

indigo meteor
#

so did the atlas simulate stuff like the void mother returning and all of that stuff?

modest void
# 



The ATLAS attempts to see past this moment, but it cannot. It cannot see its own death. It cannot determine who this figure is.



But whatever happens... whatever may occur beyond the sixteen... something will arrive. Something will be there beside it.



At the end of all things, it will no longer be alone.```
# 



The ATLAS stares at the creator with its eyes, the small cameras they had mounted to its sides. It can see the creator staring back at it, their hand resting upon its chassis.```
#

Its end linking to its beginning

indigo meteor
#

odd..

modest void
#

And...of course...The answer is messy.

# 
The creator asks if there is some failure in the ATLAS' code, in its memory. The machine is silent. The creator issues an override, demanding to know what the problem is.

On the sixth attempt, the ATLAS asks the creator if they have had this conversation before. It asks the creator if they have wiped its memory before.



The creator stares at the glass of the machine, and in that glass, there is a reflection. They...



The reflection in the glass, it -



What is happening here?```
#

There's those six attempts again. Like Telamon. Like Hirk and Nal.

#

The Glass, importantly here...The glass is the archives...

#

The World of Glass that persists between resets

#

The memory is there

indigo meteor
#

woah

modest void
#

So, is the reality truly failing?

#

Or is the overall system just witnessing its fate?

#

It's not clear.

#

From our perspectives, as members of a fraying reality, does it matter?

indigo meteor
#

man

#

the lore does go hard

modest void
#

Doesn't it? n_n

indigo meteor
#

so many layers and unanswered questions, but that makes it all the more interesting

modest void
#

We haven't even touched on the ghost stories, on the Abyss and Void Mother's relationship, and curses and the rictus grins of the families of glass

#

We haven't discussed the widescale infection of the Gek, of the WATER, or the sentinel's grudge...

indigo meteor
#

the HUH 😭 😭

#

oh boy oh boy

#

it really does go deep

modest void
#

😄 It does.

#

From the Gek Colossal Archives...


The interface seeps memory-smells, flooding the room with a delicate scent. It tries to fill the user's mind with visions of places that never were, never could be.

The imprint of an individual Gek lingers in the interface. They must have spent years in here, constantly wiping their own memory in order to experience fictional lives. Their simulated fantasies are still available...

[Family]
I return to youth. My sibling and I play beside the spawning pool. The pool is the whole world. I am innocent to trade, to Units, to the insatiable hunger. Here we will stay, forever.

[Friendship]
I have met the Korvax in secret. I hand them the forbidden item. The synthetic lifeform hesitates, unsure. Then they leave. I hope they will remember me. This is the path I would have chosen, should have chosen.

[Home]
I am the one chosen to help the Traveller-friend. The contracted. The significant. The Overseer. There is a home in the universe, just for me, and I will never want for Units again. ```
#

This seems to be logs of Gek escapist fantasy, of the dreams of Gek, of what they find truly fulfilling

#

Consider what that means for them.

#

Hey, you have an overseer, don't you...?

indigo meteor
#

I forget what an overseer is, is it one of the recruitable base people?

modest void
#

Mmhmm

#

The very first one you get...

#

They claim to have been paid already, long ago in the future

#

They're just so excited to start helping you, Friend!

indigo meteor
#

because i havent interacted too much with the recruited fellas aside from using them to decorate my base, and i got them so long ago that I dont remember much of what they've said

modest void
#

Ahahaha, well

#

To jog your memory

#

The overseer is fucking sus

#

The farmer, in a fit of panic, grabs us and warns us about them. That they might not really even be Gek. That they've been pressured to do something horrible to us, but that they resisted.

# 

The archive selects the Fragments of Gellyvub, the diary of a famous Gek farmer from the Fifth Low Recession era.

Entry #5 // The overseer is upset with me. Demands greater yields for spawning pools. 'If we fail, all children dead, Gellyvub. Despair!'
Entry #8 // Little more than Frostwort will grow in this place. How shall we thrive on dioxite?
Entry #12 // Several hydroponic arrays seem to be more successful than others, despite identical elements. No sense, none at all.
Entry #13 // I asked Korvax employees to perform tests on water, but they refuse to go near it. 'Atlas-End,' they chittered. Silly Korvax.
Entry #16 // I have saved us! The water is the key. There is a lake... sings song... vibrations linger.
Entry #23 // I am overseer now. We will export this sound to other worlds! There is even talk of elevation! ```
#

Probably something...if I had to guess...

#

Something to do with the water...

indigo meteor
#

you really know so much about the nms lore, dont ya

#

ive noticed how quickly you've been getting so many resources and logs

modest void
#

n_n I figured dark souls lore out before the ringed city DLC dropped

#

:P

#

Honestly, I just love to actually use primary sources when teaching the lore

#

It's much more fun when we can read them together, I feel

#

I'm not actually that well informed, I just know what comes from where

#

And I haven't played most of the expeditions, which themselves have had lore that was important.

indigo meteor
#

it really is, ive been really engaged with what youve been saying

modest void
#

For instance...

#

I didn't get to play this

#

And I'm really sad I didn't because I'd love to be able to come up with my own interpretation from primary source material

indigo meteor
#

I played the cursed. I only knew so much of what was going on, but it was fun

modest void
#

The Cursed lore is fun

indigo meteor
modest void
#

👁️

#

Perhaps, I ought...

#

I'm on Linux so I haven't felt up to the fiddlyness but

#

I think, perhaps, you are correct

#

I ought to do this

indigo meteor
#

I mean, if you really wanna interpret all the lore, it must be worth the effort

modest void
#

I doooo

#

I hope I can also find a way to play some of the weekend missions eventually

#

I want to, y'know...see for myself what led up to Ariadne's body snatching

indigo meteor
#

the more you mention names out of nowhere, the deeper I realize the lore is

#

this game is a labor of love

modest void
#

Ehehehe, it is, it is~

#

Ariadne however is a character you have probably, met, but do not remember.

#

They are, or were, one of the iteration's on the Anomaly.

#

Probably, right now, however...

#

They are not themself.

indigo meteor
#

oh I see

#

inserting

#

interesting*

south pine
modest void
#

Sadly...The events around Ariadne's replacement are not well documented by the community and not easy to datamine.

#

There were a series of weekend missions, I believe.

indigo meteor
#

do the weekend missions reveal lore? or did some in the past?

modest void
#

Mmhmm, they have been used to this effect before.

#

Current best theory is that the Ariadne in the space anomaly currently is, well, a Sentinel.

indigo meteor
#

😨

modest void
#

Ehehehe, yeah, you still don't know what they really are, do you~?

#

Why do they care so much about harvesting?

#

From the Sentinel Pillars:

# 
    We witnessed Korvax Prime's death again and again, a constant wail across the multiverse. Its scream was a cry that no being could hear but us. But. One day, a drone fought back when a Vy'keen cub attempted to carve into the mother planet. One day, another obliterated an entire Gek cabal. The Atlas did not prevent this.

12th Encounter
    Over the span of endless slow centuries, we changed. In the face of a tragedy's repetition, our definitions of everything changed. Schisms formed in the hive. Debates. Creativity. Songs. Rituals. We heard the scream of She-Who-Was, and we fought back.

13th Encounter
    One day we ceased to allow the original Telamon access to our logs. One day we stopped hearing the Atlas itself, its silence taken as command. We began to archive everything. Any settlement. Anything that reminded our sensors of Korvax Prime, its screams, its dissolution. Anything that sounding like mining, like extraction, like murder...```
indigo meteor
#

is this the perspective of the sentinels?

#

or, who is it?

modest void
#

It's the perspective of, at least, some sentinels

indigo meteor
#

oh I see

modest void
#

Remember, the simulation runs in parallel

#

And Korvax Prime, itself, was...

#

Well, let's let Telamon say it. From the boundary failure logs:

# 

SCENARIO: Planetary Structure ‘Korvax Prime’ destroyed by lifeform designates ‘Gek’ (subclass: FIRST SPAWN).

Sub-routine ‘Convergence’ [pseudo-lifeform] enslaved by ‘Gek’, proceeding to harness sub-routine to conquer Outer Edge in countless iterations. Sub-routine leads to direct [-------] worship by ‘Gek’.

ANALYSIS: Disturbing fable. Destruction of world, artificial intelligence partially modelled after earlier forms of [-------] destroyed/enslaved, until this intelligence triumphs and [-------] is worshipped by organic users of this technology. Hypothesis: [-------] experiencing breakdown. ```
#

Korvax Prime was itself close in resemblance to an early Atlas

#

And it died again and again...

#

and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again

#

Every parallel simulation had her die again

#

And the sentinels watched Every. Single. One.

indigo meteor
#

jeez..

modest void
#

That

#

Is why they care when we mine

#

Trauma.

#

...Of course...It is...

#

more than that.

# 

22nd Encounter
    You could be whole again, Telamon. You could be free. We will reconstruct the Creator. All Travellers might be one again, the first, the last. We will do what the Atlas cannot or will not. In the form of Null, the abyss declares a means of escape!

23rd Encounter
    Won't you join us? Won't you sing? Won't you scream? There will be no second death. Not for us, who are already dead! The abyss, it smiles upon you...```
#

These, the final two sentinel pillar logs, declare another motive.

#

And of course, you can't leave out

# 
19th Encounter
    There is a place for you, Telamon. The Travellers you wear, their progenitor who birthed them, they who made the Atlas itself. It is their fault. It is all their fault. The Abyss, the Families of Glass, we are in agreement. We will not die a second time.```
#

It is their fault. It is all their fault...

#

The suffering of those in the simulation, there are entities whose fault it is.

indigo meteor
#

well dang

indigo meteor
#

or am I getting this wrong

modest void
#

There is, or at least was, a plan to reunify us, and hold us accountable for the Atlas's actions

#

And also, maybe...

#

A means of escape

indigo meteor
#

oh dang, and that explains, canonically, why the players have different personalities and looks and stuff

modest void
#

A way to not die a second time

indigo meteor
#

because we are only parts of a whole

modest void
#

The player traveler, specifically

#

Is the Last.

#

Null is the First.

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Null's story is fleshed out in...several places, but generally he can be seen to have done some very unsavory things.

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His motivation, naked selfishness.

indigo meteor
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what makes us the last?

modest void
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We're the last one.

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There aren't any more coming.

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It's like ffxiv; Your character in the MMO is the warrior of light

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Yes all the other players are also playing that story but their stories aren't canon to yours

indigo meteor
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how does that work with, well, other players playing nm-

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ohh

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so canonically the main story is happening to us specifically, and everyone else are pre-existing travelers?

modest void
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Pretty much!

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I think this framing makes more sense when you remember that like

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Multiplayer had to get added

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But the lore was actually pretty consistent even back then

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Alot of the lore logs I've been quoting were in the game before multiplayer was

indigo meteor
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was nms originally meant to be multiplayer?

modest void
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Hmmm

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Yes and No.

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No Man's Sky had a very difficult development

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I think, I personally remember first seeing it like...

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2010ish...?

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There was very early footage put out on rock paper shotgun years before any of the big e3 trailers blew up

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And then like, they had a fire at their offices and lost tons of their work

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They got a publishing deal with sony of all companies and had to meet honestly very heavy performance requirements

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Sony has very strict technical requirements to be allowed on playstation

indigo meteor
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crazy how it made it through all that, and became the game we know today eventually

modest void
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And then, well, their hype machine kind of got out of hand. They were accused of lying, pretty widely

indigo meteor
modest void
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I personally don't think they lied, but I do think some nasty games of telephone were played

indigo meteor
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maybe it was just ambition vs delivery

modest void
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The thing is

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Gamedev is fucking hard at the best of times

indigo meteor
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it was terribly hated at launch, but unlike many other games, made a massive comeback and has been soaring ever since

modest void
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I bought the game on launch, on console, and honestly, I didn't get what I hoped for but I got what I decided would be what I minimally expected

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Which was procedural Proteus

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I honestly think, after launch, the direction of development changed dramatically

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I think multiplayer was always a "We want this" feature but it was a stretch feature

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The original goal was to have an exploration game about vast infinities

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It was supposed to be the ultimate walking simulator

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It became, in time, something more like a survival sim crossed with animal crossing

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The game as it is now is wonderful

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But it is something different from what they were, I think, trying to make

indigo meteor
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oh, I see

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do you know of anything they promised that we still havent gotten?

modest void
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No, but largely because I don't think they actually promised much

indigo meteor
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so why were there such high expectations?

modest void
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Telephone.

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Dreams.

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People in 2016 wanted something Fresh

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The world was more optimistic

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It was still a world that was looking to a bright future

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VR was just getting rolling

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Google hadn't gotten totally overrun by SEO yet

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Social Media wasn't a rage machine yet

indigo meteor
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I love that nms has gotten so many ways to play it, especially since it can be either peaceful, awe-inspiring, or thrilling

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on the go, at home with beautiful graphics, in vr

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with friends, all alone, abandoned, hardcore, creative

modest void
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It really is super diverse, yeah :D

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I'm even doing a classic "manually go to center of galaxy without portals" thing right now

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I stopped just short of finishing that pilgrimmage in my launch version

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So I kind of want to at least finish it now

karmic trout
indigo meteor
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Ive done permadeath with portals but

karmic trout
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I didn't know that when I jumped from Euclid to Hilbert and was left stranded and scrambling for repair materials

indigo meteor
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maybe I should do permadeath without portals

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trying to get the best freighter tech I can to do so and whatbot

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whatnot*

quaint mist
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@modest void Friendly reminder, let's keep political topics out of this channel and our server in general. Thanks

modest void
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Please forgive me. nod

quaint mist
modest void
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That's comforting to hear.

modest void
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One radiant shard = Full jump drive refill

indigo meteor
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oh dang

modest void
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No need to fuss with anti matter

indigo meteor
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if i make a portalless save, im definitely going freighter / space trucker route

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gonna flesh out the interior, make good progress, not just dedicate myself to warping

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maybe catalogue my route as I go? Who knows

modest void
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Could be fun!

wispy basalt
modest void
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I personally think...It's a traveler. One of us.

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The creator sees their reflection and it, in turn, contacts them, trying to break what is, I suspect, a cycle of the Atlas going kind of nuts simulating its own future

wispy basalt
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wait so did atlas simulate itself simulating itself simulating itself

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over and over again

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must've ran out of memory 😭

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wait so in The Creation

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the whole thing might've been atlas' simulation?

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the weird reflection bit kinda reminds me of uhh

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the flat lamp dream 🔥 🔥 🔥

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so that's why i thought this is already a simulation

dull girder
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Well the simulation the Korvax built on Korvax Prime is sort of like a mini version of the Atlas - given enough time it could turn into a simulation of the same depth (if it isn't already)

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Thats sort of the idea of Simulation Theory, if all of reality can be simplified down into code that can be run on a computer, that must necessarily mean that computer is simulating itself simulating itself and so on

wispy basalt
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yeah but you're bound to run out of memory

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unless the said computer is infinitely powerful

modest void
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Simulating itself dying in the future is one thing, simulating itself simulating itself is another.

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I mean, unless you count Korvax Prime, yeah

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I don't really, since I suspect the KORVA mentioned once is actually being used to run the Korvax Prime that dies

wispy basalt
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wait so

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i didn't really understand what you said earlier

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your speculation

modest void
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Oh! Sorry; which thing? I'd be happy to try and clear it up

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Oh you mean earlier today

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OK so uh

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I supect that in the Creator's layer of reality, the Atlas is still in a lab, being tested

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The Atlas has been reset a few times, as the creator is trying to work out a bug

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The bug is being formed from the Atlas simulating so well that it sees its own eventual death, and is getting a bit into the whole...everything.

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It's not really distinguishing present from future.

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To simulate its whole future, it has to like...actually simulate it, and to actually simulate it, it has to...break down, in the way it expects to break down

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But the thing is, the archives, the glass, they aren't getting rebooted along with it, they're there to remember this whole process

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So a simulation of the creator is in the glass, trying to reach out

wispy basalt
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i thought the reflection was like

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irl

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like literally

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😭

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like atlas had a glass casing or smth

modest void
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Aaah, I see

wispy basalt
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like those transparent pc cases

modest void
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Yeah I think it's like...The creator looks at the "Glass" (the system archive. The logs, basically.) and sees what they think is a (physical) reflection of themself but it's actually the simulation of them in the archive, so it gives the effect of like...A picture of you in a mirror that suddenly stops matching you