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Last Updated: 1:49am 04-Jun-2025 UTC by redhottrouble

[raw marten]

first

[wind ice]

epic 😎

[raw marten]

fr

loreeee

[oak adder]

colossal archive noises

[wind ice]

artemis dies / is dead

spoiled >:)

[vivid jay]

eighth

[mortal perch]

Ninth

[vivid jay]

tenth

[wind ice]

sixteenth

[vivid jay]

...

thirteenth

[quaint coral]

holy shit new lore space!

time to mute lol

[wind ice]

space?!?! is that a reference to the hit 2016 game "no mans sky" developed by hello games? no way

what could be the lore implications on this?

[unkempt lagoon]

wow lore?

[fast raven]

first

oh wait no I'm not

still

[teal folio]

nice, I had the same inclination to split them too

[whole kelp]

This isn’t promoting but there is a channel called TheInfiniteLibrary that tells the lore verbatim on YouTube

[glossy drift]

loremaxxing

[grave cradle]

thinking about how every npc is referred to using they/them but autophages use she/her for atlantideum… i’m just starting the quest line and my eyes widened because that’s the first time i’ve seen anything other than they/them in dialogue

also the whole thing about autophages building their own bodies and having this self-determination thing going on… they are so gender to me

[wispy basalt]

Could tie right in with Emily actually being the Void mother

Or maybe a corrupted version of her, who knows 🤷‍♂️

I'm commander Sheppard and this is my favorite channel in the citadel

[teal folio]

Emily will always be my Void Mom

[wispy basalt]

I‘m actually most intrigued by all the horrors she produces and why she does it. Biohorrors remain one of my biggest question marks despite being there since NEXT. Originally thought to be simulation glitches, it‘s quite obvious now that they belong to void mommy

[teal folio]

maybe VM feels like she's stuck in a nightmare and so the horrors are an unintentional manifestation of that

[wispy basalt]

That‘s actually a pretty neat idea but I have a feeling it‘s all intentional. I doubt we‘ll ever truly know

[teal folio]

it feels like to me they want to make us think VM is the "bad girl" in the story, but the reality is VM is just as trapped as Atlas is. Even worse because VM seems to have more self-awareness of their situation, or at least in a way that can be communicated

[wispy basalt]

Hmm I‘d kinda like if it went that direction. Would be a nice drift from how things regulary go.

Another interesting thing to me about the Horrors is how Sentinels don‘t seem to mind them at all. For dissonant ones it‘d be obvious why, but even regular Sentis don‘t seem to care about any of the monstrosities.

The fact that the eggs tend to refine into Nanites is also quite interesting. This applies to a lot of void related stuff tbh, those items are a nanite feast

[drowsy tapir]

What does lore mean ?

[sinful relic]

Lore in this context means all the stories in No Man's Sky, from what Artemis and Null and others tell you, to the boundary failure terminals to the crashed freighter logs. Anything that provides more details about the universe

[drowsy tapir]

Ok thanks

[humble yew]

question that's been on my mind

how are there pirate korvax?

why does the convergence allow it

[whole kelp]

The convergence doesn’t exist by the time we are brought to life. It’s now more of a loose community of korvax who stay together. After the great disconnection and they escape the Geks (who also are transformed) korvax became more of an “I” than a “We”

[raw marten]

ik trailers can sometimes have stuff not actually in game, but gek in a autophage settlement? i thought nobody knew about the autophage or something, so its odd to me they are just casually together here. maybe an oversight.

(gek is on the right)

[stoic leaf]

maybe

[ripe prawn]

its just another player

[raw marten]

omg ur right 🤣

[severe hatch]

The gek on the right is another player, you can tell by the animations and the fact they're not sprinting into walls.

[dusty estuary]

Plus the backpack

[manic sentinel]

Uhhh that was actually fixed

[severe hatch]

Idk about that one, I had a settler run into a building, walk into an object, stop, move, walk into another object and then it said they were "resting"

[grave cradle]

But why does the base scientist Korvax have a plot line about being disconnected and freaking out about it? Though i guess there’s lots of implied shady stuff about all the base npcs…

[safe grotto]

well, we have the weird gek Overseer who allegedly does something to the gek Farmer and overall acts weird, the Korvax Scientist who gets kicked out of the species-wide group chat and tries to cope, and the heretic cultist Vy'keen Exocraft specialist.... not a single person in the player's jolly little band of misfits can be classified as mentally sane.

[mortal perch]

Like the npcs you get through the Artemis path?

[grave cradle]

Yeah those

[mortal perch]

Oh

Never heard about that

[wraith pendant]

is there some lore meaning to being able to change the voice of the exosuit

that's supposed to be telamon's voice right

[wraith pendant]

they aren't convergent

convergence worships the atlas, the pirate faction is against the atlas

[wraith pendant]

i kind of feel the opposite way

i mean i dont i just dont know how to read

she seems creepy at first, but it seems like it's trying to survive while the atlas doesnt care anymore

and its doing something

[humble yew]

autophages are cool

so i also dont mind the void mother

[teal folio]

sure, but I meant how HG is trying to portray VM within the game. We see "corrupted" worlds, "corrupted" Sentinels, it's a very negative word. These words probably come from Atlas. Granted, VM is doing some shady stuff like reprogramming NPCs with the water. but ultimately Atlas is portraying to us VM's presence as a threat

[mortal perch]

Do we know what anomaly’s are? Like are they human?

[naive jacinth]

They are not human. Its a atlas recreation of his creator from atlas vauge memory

[humble yew]

Initially yeah, but then as we found the autophages I think we got a different perspective

[safe grotto]

do we know more about Telamon other than Laylaps mentioning the guy a lot?

[desert kelp]

You learn quite a lot from boundary failures, which you can find in anomalous planets

[wraith pendant]

Yeah
It was some kind of security program to keep the Atlas in check, but the Atlas found a way to stick it in your exosuit

so it's trapped and under control

Telamon and Atlas conflict is very similar to Hirk and Nal, in my interpretation it's a mythologized version of it

[desert kelp]

It has an uncanny self-awareness too apparently.

[elfin zodiac]

No NMS Lore spoilers for me 👊
||maybe those last 40 logs from god knows where||

(i guess it's Collected Knowledge in english, i dont know)

[wraith pendant]

How is your game in Korvax

[grave cradle]

💀💀💀💀💀

[naive jacinth]

Check all categories. If there are " * * * " at the end of logs that mean they are completed.

[elfin zodiac]

yeeaah i still have planet archives to check

and I am not sure about derelict freighters, because it's logs are looping, repeating
and has no " * * * "

[naive jacinth]

It could be for the planet chrashed ones

[elfin zodiac]

no I have all crashed freighters logs

just i am not sure about derelict ones, because i was jumping, looting, jumping, looting and I was getting a new log randomly after 2, 5, 7, 10 warps, you know

but i got any new for last over 20 systems (i really wanted to get all of them) and I still don't have * * *

[naive jacinth]

I need to check what im missing.

Im missing
abandoned building (i think its bugged , i get same message)
Derelict freighters (they can be per race maybe ?)
Emergence (cant complete ,its from past exp)

570/592

[mortal perch]

So we created the atlas?

[dull girder]

no, someone created the Atlas, then the Atlas recreated it's creator in the simulation

which is what we are

[teal folio]

I feel like this update could have used a small narrative update as a follow-up to the Worlds Pt 2 questline. VM coming back and awakening more Autophage feels like a natural lead-in for a new story beat explaining why the Autophage are now building full-on towns instead of meager campsites

[dull girder]

I thought we were building up towards the Autophages coming out of hiding and being moved to full on Autophage systems, like how the main races are

That feels like less of a possibility now, since their settlements exist. Those are on dissonant worlds right? They can exist in systems that already have one of the three original races?

[teal folio]

I'm not sure, but I imagine so yeah

[wispy basalt]

so, we are a simulated Atlas dad

[sinful relic]

Added rare Autophage settlements, with uniquely Autophage names, to all inhabited planets. Travellers who have discovered the Autophage lifeforms can become Overseer of these settlements.

Meant to be on all, which is amusing

They have been hiding by us the whole time

[dull girder]

oh so they're more common than I thought, interesting

[sinful relic]

I don't know how it's playing out right this second, you know how updates go

But def meant to be on all

[wispy basalt]

these are portal glyphs in alphanumeric, correct?

[hoary rivet]

Not exactly, it is your system address, but not in the same format

[wispy basalt]

does that mean my system is hiding something important, then?

if this is here

[hoary rivet]

No, that anomaly is just one of several, chosen at random

[elfin zodiac]

oh yeah, whenever I go to abandoned building it keeps giving me 400 nanite per every interaction and one short text line

btw good way to farm nanites XD

you can interact, interact, interact, interact, interact, interact, interact, and get 400 nanites every time
little unfair but naaah

[naive jacinth]

I dont care about nanites. I just want to complete the catalouge

[white mason]

Can someone explain the atlas lore in short

Im making an edit

And its atlas based

[sinful relic]

Broken AI doesn't want to die

[glad moon]

interesting

[sinful relic]

As short as I could make it

[white mason]

Not that short lol, just an essay or a paragraph or something

[white mason]

@sinful relic yo bro sorry for the ping, but can you help me cook up some qoutes for the edit, im gonna use bliss by klsr, and on each wave im gonna put a clip and on the next a quote or sm

Like im gonna make it as Cinematic as possible

But i didn't really understand the lore of the atlas really well

[white mason]

The qoutes will be based on the atlas

[sinful relic]

Sorry friend, I can't right now - just a minute though I may have a resource for you, lemme look

[white mason]

Take your time brother

[sinful relic]

Trying to do this from my phone, giving me grief - can you download this?

It's a text dump of the Atlas interfaces

Has some catchy quotes

DO NOT TURN AWAY. KNOW OUR INESCAPABLE TRUTH AND DESPAIR.

[white mason]

YES

IT'LL BE SO GOOD

THANK YOU SO MUCH

Can i credit you somewhere?

Like a social or anything, or do i just put your name

Im making a list to credit everyone who helped make this

[sinful relic]

If you'd like, not needed though

[white mason]

Nah man you deserve it

[sinful relic]

Those are the original old lines for the Atlas Path - they may have changed over the years some

[white mason]

Alright

[wind salmon]

Are Korvax living creatures or are they just robots?

Asking this question because my Korvax settlement had children lol.

[sinful relic]

Non biological life

[compact shoal]

Probably built a child like in the Robots movie.

[sinful relic]

That's exactly what they do

[wispy basalt]

Heya ^^ is there a rundown lore post I could catch myself up to speed with

[sinful relic]

There isn't!

This channel is fairly new, at the communities suggestion. We will be happy to pin anything that gets posted in the coming weeks

[sour dirge]

( Gek had breeding pools for producing Korvax and nanite clusters from their bodies ) not entirely mechanical the souls of autophage maybe echoes of Korvax lost through each iteration due to such cruetly trying to return to the 1st - ( seveeeenteenth ) - or maybe that;s what Nada stole from Atlas, his chamber in Anonmoly where you had choice to allow Artemis to enter

[unkempt lagoon]

real quick

is it just me who would've rathered they just made the Atlas an actual god instead of having it be a simulation and therefore the entire game a simulation

makes it so the game has a "nothing really matters" sort of feeling to it

[sour dirge]

I like imaging the story arc, because it's perceived by Korvax as such and Nada to distract from the horror of Atlas being birthed by Korvax in the first Universe ( not Euclid ) and the Anonmoly is the Moon of Korvax Prime but that's the 2nd time Atlas became evil and the first Echo is lost but it's us playing and experiencing it

Kuekuatsheu 🙂

[tough lake]

Well, i tought the same but then again it metters to everyone inside? What if we humans are in a simulation now

Plus if the simulation is as real as real life, is there a difference? I mean if you die in the simulation you are dead dead so

[unkempt lagoon]

I mean ig

[sour dirge]

I took both pills strawberry+bubblegum is immortal 😄

Autophage are like souls tht died already I thought? Maybe our iteration woke from death?

[wispy basalt]

What chamber

[wispy basalt]

Well for the god it matters, in 16 minutes a black hole is gonna rip out it's insides irl, and so it is panicking, causing universe ending catastrophes due to this stress indused loss of control, and you can deside to bully it-

I might have gotten that wrong tho

[unkempt lagoon]

yeah I also don't really like that aspect of the lore either

even tho ik its a main part of it

[wispy basalt]

It's not for everyone:3

I just love lore ^^ Xb

[sour dirge]

Its just past the teleporter at Nexus at end of Artemis story line

[unkempt lagoon]

I end up just making my own headcanons and sh

[vivid jay]

one-hundred-sixty-ninth

[weary wave]

I have no idea why I have some of this.

[wispy basalt]

Oh that

[pulsar rapids]

In universe. Are there canonically like. Cities?

Could there be communities of hundreds of thousands or even millions of people?

That we don’t see because most of space is sparse?

[pulsar rapids]

Or would the sentinels just genocide any species that makes cities out of existence

[dull girder]

Iirc, it is directly stated that the sentinels destroy any cities that are built

[pulsar rapids]

Ya know stuff like that is why I consider them evil

Their just genocidal

[sinful relic]

Everyone focuses on the wrong thing

People hate the sentinels or the geks

But they are just doing what they are designed to do

Blaming the symptoms

Focus up

[pulsar rapids]

Of what though

[sinful relic]

The Atlas is the one running the sim

[sinful relic]

@sudden scarab This channel is for discussing lore, not hopes for additions to the game. You can use #nms-the-future to talk about new ideas.

[wispy basalt]

The first spawn is evil, but the gek are adorbs imo

[wispy basalt]

Also the sents are no longer under the control of the atlas, it's the void mother now, so it's the sents and the void moms fault

[wispy basalt]

They lost control of it to the clone (void mom)

[wispy basalt]

They killed entire universes I thought

[sinful relic]

They didn't, not sure why you are assuming that

[wispy basalt]

Didn't it say that somewhere?

That or I watched to many lore vids

Gonna have to check my facts now ToT

I can't trust Google but it does say there is some sorce that says smtn like that, I also mixed the rouge Sentinels and the void mother stuff together apparently:v whoops

Srry ^^"

[wispy basalt]

I do wonder why sentinels destroyed Nada's universe.

I assume they were trying to get rid of the void mother or something, but I am not sure

[tight minnow]

im wondering if there are 256 canonical universe simulations in the game

cus theres 256 galaxies

and im pretty sure its stated that each galaxy is home to only 1 traveller at a time since the atlas intended to give all travellers a universe of their own

and at the end you can do a universe reset in which it takes you to a galaxy of your choice

if going to another galaxy is the consequence of resetting the universe that must mean each and every galaxy must be separate simulations

[dull girder]

yeah thats the idea I think. The Atlas is only simulating one galaxy at a time. Its stated that there center of the galaxy is an Atlas interface, so I think travelling to the center is meant to be your character resetting the simulation

Of course in earlier versions you couldn't go back to previous galaxies which makes more sense for this explanation, I think they changed it purely for gameplay reasons without it being intended as canon that you can

but at the same time we see travellers and other elements leaking into different simulations even though they are supposed to be running one at a time, so going back to a previous iteration does fit

[wispy basalt]

that also explains the anomaly boundaries and stuff, i guess

places where the boundary is weakening and stuff

[west canyon]

if a Gek falls in a forest, does the Vy'Keen laugh?

[wispy basalt]

no, but the korvax beeps

[stark zenith]

who made the simulation?

[versed cargo]

humans

[wispy basalt]

Nah geks did frfr/j

[versed cargo]

ok

what ever you say man

[wispy basalt]

Lmao

[versed cargo]

damn we got racial supremacy

[grave cradle]

the more i learn about gek lore the weirder i feel about them being my favorites. like i don’t condone space fascism i just think they’re silly little guys

[devout magnet]

You read my mind.

[sinful relic]

Why would you feel weird? These Gek aren't the First Spawn gek

They are silly little guys

Besides, as I have mentioned before - they are doing what the sim wants them to, if you want to feel weird about something make it the Atlas

[cobalt tendon]

Hello Games Ltd is a British video game company based in Guildford, Surrey. The company was founded by Sean Murray, Grant Duncan, Ryan Doyle and David Ream in february 2008.

[wispy basalt]

Wait I thought they just murdered things and owned the universe?

[gleaming oasis]

First Spawn Gek =/= Current Gek

[sinful relic]

I'd rather explore the ramifications of the Atlas's simulation

If it is simming to figure out a way to live, the presumption is that the universe simmed will closely mirror its own, no?

Then does that mean in the game Universe, Gek and Korvax and the others are real?

[versed cargo]

maybe it is thinking of them as roles that humans take in his own universe

i kind of like to think that the simulation is starting to become a real universe and not just a digital universe

[wispy basalt]

I thought it's just the creators of the atlas making things up right?

[versed cargo]

no

[wispy basalt]

So wait they are confirmed real? (In game, out of sim)

[compact shoal]

We have no way of knowing if they're alive.

[prisma jackal]

Yes

[prime rock]

For some reason the idea of silly little guys being a slaver ethnostate empire makes them a bit more funny lmao

[prime rock]

I do not think so. I think that null said at certain point that there were different alien speices in some universes. But as atlas is nearing its death, it is making the triad of theese races repeat. I think that the other aliens we see in the anomaly are species that existed in the universes before.

[remote fiber]

So are the current generation of gek still affected by the korvax?

[humble yew]

FORMER space fascists, thank you very much. now they just like to chill and smoke geknip

whatever you do with geknip idk how you consume it

i know you can make cookie

[naive swift]

The introduction of nanites into their spawning pools affected all subsequent generations. It fundamentally altered their genetics.

[naive swift]

Now space hyper-capitalists

[remote fiber]

Ah some of the conversations vaguely implied that they were now furtherly differebt than they were before. Thank you

[prime rock]

I am pretty sure you chew it. The lore says it is edible, and then they can release their signature pheromones. (In some conversation the traveller describes feeling their mind altered by the pheromones gek release) It also says that the gek nip is considered to be an art form, a representation of gek's soul, so i guess the mind altering pheromones you release depend on how you prepare it

[humble yew]

geks can make different pheromones/smells even without geknip, but yea good point

[naive swift]

I think there is a conspiracy theory within game lore that some First Spawn survived and are plotting to take back their empire.

[grave cradle]

Currently wondering what the boundary failures are/what their function is. The structure kinda reminds me of a particle accelerator

[forest tusk]

Why do sentinels Starships attacks you when you attack a random fleet instead of the fleet's squadron?

[wispy basalt]

Maybe defence chit?

[naive swift]

Sentinels are the galactic police. Any disturbances are swiftly eliminated.

[forest tusk]

If they are the police why did they destroy every cities on NMS universe (according to lore)

[naive swift]

They are not enforcing laws. They enforce status quo. Anything that reminds them of the destruction of Korvax Prime is dealt with immediately. This includes environmental disruption , expansionism, and conflict.

[dull girder]

The real reason is so that your wanted level will carry over between space and planets. The lore reason I think is that the Atlas uses Sentinels to maintain the status quo, in this case it's using them to stop wars from breaking out by stopping anyone who instigates conflict.

it is interesting that they are referred to as 'system authorities' instead of Sentinels in some but not in all cases

also we don't see them stopping pirates, but I do think that in the lore they are meant to be

[naive swift]

The pirates hijacked the station, including the ability to sense conflict in the system, I believe. My understanding is that sentinels no longer work for Atlas after Korvax Prime’s destruction.

[dull girder]

Yeah pirates have disabled the system authorities in outlaw systems, I was thinking more of the pirate attacks on NPC freighters in normal systems

[naive swift]

What if sentinels are just pirate fans. 🏴‍☠️

[rose mica]

who really made the sentinels? I was always thinking humans made them, then humans are referred to as “Anomalies” because the Sentinels saw them as threats and killed them all,
The sentinel home is referred to as the “planet of glass” which could mean a planet with huge glass skyscrapers??

Just a personal theory

[naive swift]

All Travelers are based on the human scientist who created Atlas. We all look different because we use holographic projection to alter our appearance. Atlas created the sentinels within the simulation to eliminate anomalies in the simulation.

[wispy basalt]

i just found this reddit by "JollyFatTango" The real reason apollo can't see you because he is playing the NMS from launch so he can't see anyone even if they are at the same spot.

[prisma jackal]

The atlas made them

[rose mica]

Atlas seemed too chill to make evil oppressors tbh

[prisma jackal]

You think atlas is chill?

[rose mica]

Just sat in space and taught me a language

It liked one of my wonders that was a Webbed Planet..

Also… what the hell are those things on the Webbed planets

[prisma jackal]

Well…..

It maybe is because sentinels are no longer under the control of the atlas but they were probably like this before

[rose mica]

Sentinel Capital Ships look like a freighter that spawns during one pirate event

[prisma jackal]

Sentinel capital ships will always look the same btw

[rose mica]

I know

But one of the Civilian freighters that can spawn during pirate events look practically identical

Just with the civilian colors and the containers

[prisma jackal]

True

[naive swift]

Does this mean Sentinel freighters were captured and turned into civilian freighters with a crew?

[rose mica]

I was always wondering that

Usually they are Vy’keen ships

The Gek or Korvax use the Star Wars looking ships

[naive swift]

I had not noticed that. I usually am not interested in that design, but I may want to check that out.

[rose mica]

I had so many urges to make it my freighter

But the pirate one I own is far better

[reef pike]

you got it half right, from what i remember the sentinels shat themselves in rage after the ||destruction of Korvax Prime|| and started to lean more to KILL ANYONE WHO DOES ANYTHING EVER from ohh noo a single leaf from this bush fell off better heal it

i might be wrong tho

[sinful relic]

No, the sentinel ship is smaller than any model of it you can get

Doesn't need space for crew

[rose mica]

I’ve seen some freighters spawn without the docking area and are unable to access, are those ones piloted by beings or ai (sentinel like)?

[naive swift]

I think they are at least automated

[naive swift]

So what came first? Did sentinels base their design on an existing design in use by a race or vice versa?

[sinful relic]

Yes

[naive swift]

Oh you…

[naive swift]

Either way, why design a ship with a mast directly in front of the hangar?

[grave cradle]

People make plenty of stupid design decisions irl, who’s to say aliens are immune?

[subtle epoch]

Is the anomaly physically contained within the orb we summon in space? I was thinking about how it receives different travelers from all over at once and whether the thing we summon is just a mobile portal to wherever the anomaly actually could be

[hoary rivet]

It used to be much smaller inside, and maybe was meant to be "normal" like that, but now I think the outside must be separate from the inside.

[dull girder]

It's a 'pocket dimension' that exists outside of normal space

[pulsar patrol]

tbh that explains why the anomaly is much larger on the inside (at least it seems to be that way)

[prisma jackal]

Kinda yes

[subtle epoch]

That’s what I was thinking. Like it seemed like a space station at first, but then I realized when I’d be entering it at the same time as a traveler who absolutely was not in the system I’d been in, they probably entered through a different orb

[feral rock]

The lore surrounding the Anomaly is a little complex and deeply intertwined with the overarching narrative of the game, particularly the story of the Atlas and the Travellers.
The breakdown of what's generally understood about the Anomaly's lore is:

1. A Hub Outside of Time and Space:
   The Anomaly is described as a mobile space station that exists outside of normal time and space. So that's 100% It can be summoned by experienced Travellers (the player character) from almost anywhere in the universe. This unique characteristic allows it to serve as a central hub for players to meet, interact, and undertake community missions.

2. Home to Nada and Polo and the other Iterations:
   Its primary inhabitants are the enigmatic Priest Entity Nada and Specialist Polo, two outcast individuals from their respective species (Korvax and Gek, though Polo's true species is a bit ambiguous as a scientific Gek). They are central to the lore of the Anomaly and the larger narrative. Nada and Polo are seemingly able to transcend the boundaries of the various universal simulations. Kind of a multiverse.

3. A Refuge for Travellers/Anomalies:
   The Anomaly became a refuge for Travellers (including the player character, who is considered an "Anomaly," a subtype of Traveller). As the Atlas (the supercomputer that simulates the universe) degrades and its simulation becomes more unstable, Travellers are able to perceive and interact with each other in ways that were previously impossible. The Anomaly serves as a safe haven from the watchful eyes of the Sentinels and the Atlas itself.

4. Connection to the Atlas and its Creator:
   The most significant aspect of the Anomaly's lore is its connection to the Atlas. The Travellers, and specifically the Anomalies (players), are believed to be iterations or corrupted mind scans of the Atlas's creator. The Atlas, a dying supercomputer, created these Travellers in a desperate attempt to understand itself and overcome its loneliness after being 'abandoned' by its creator. The "corruption" in the data is believed to be why Travellers appear in various forms, while Anomalies (players and the selection you choose in the appearance mod) might be closer to the original human form of the creator.

5. Purpose and Significance:
   The Anomaly serves several lore-related purposes:

• Facilitating Player Interaction: It's the in-universe explanation for the multiplayer hub, allowing players to meet and embark on shared missions.
• Guidance and Knowledge: Nada and Polo provide crucial guidance and technology to the player, helping them understand the nature of the universe and the Atlas. They can offer shortcuts to the galactic center, aid in finding Atlas Interfaces, or provide valuable blueprints.
• Community Research: It houses the Quicksilver Synthesis Companion, created by Polo, for community research efforts and other stuff.
• A Symbol of Hope/Resistance: In a universe where the Atlas is failing and the Sentinels enforce strict control, the Anomaly represents a place where Travellers can gather, share information, and potentially work towards a different future, or at least understand their existence within the simulation.

Lastly, as far as I have seen in lore piles around the universe, its exact origins remain a mystery.

[hoary rivet]

Did an AI write that?

[sinful relic]

Whether there was AI help or not, it's all accurate as far as I can see - so I'm good with it either way

[slow radish]

Is there any lore on why there are only 3 (4 including autophage) races, plus travelers?

I mean, compare it to Star Wars with just one galaxy but millions of races, whereas NMS has 255 galaxies but just 4

Besides IRL development factors, is there a lore reason?

[subtle epoch]

iirc the atlas created way more different species originally, then each time it reset there became gradually fewer and fewer individual races until the present day where it’s just gek, vy’keen and korvax/autophage

[slow radish]

👍 thank you

[naive swift]

From a lore perspective, the use of galaxy and regions is confusing. Universe makes more sense as the 255 available are somewhat discrete and can be a multiverse as they all have common traits with some slight differences. While they are all part of a simulation, galaxy implies they are part of a larger observable universe, but it does not appear races are aware of the other galaxies, other than those on the Anomaly. Also, there are regions within solar systems and the universe too. If each NMS galaxy represents a universe, do the regions represent galactic clusters?

[dull girder]

the regions just represent star clusters. Each universe has only one galaxy, at least as far as we know in the lore.

The naming is confusing because each galaxy being part of a separate simulation is a retcon from the Atlas Rises update. At launch the lore was that all of them were part of a singular universe

[vivid wadi]

||Artemis dies||

[hollow lotus]

why does the number 16 have such significance

[prisma jackal]

It is the number of the atlas timescale in n which it is dying

[sinful relic]

16^16 also = 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 - the potential number of planets

[cerulean cosmos]

Totally Ai lol

[uncut yarrow]

It's accurate tho

[latent ivy]

telamon

lets see what you all do with that-

[hollow lotus]

i mean yeah, still kinda confusing how its 16 seconds left but nothing really happens

like something is missing i didnt read or something

[wispy basalt]

so, what, the atlas can only remember stuff upto 16 seconds or stuff?

[dull girder]

its because the Atlas is simulating things really fast. 16 seconds in it's reality is a really long time inside the simulation. They say it could be thousands or millions of years, we have no idea

[hollow lotus]

tyty, makes a bit more sense

[white hollow]

Atlas has 16min left in it's time frame until it fails and shuts down

In time frame of inhabitants of the simulation it can be a long time

It's not that it remembers 16min

It has 16 min left

It's a countdown

[wispy basalt]

so we're basically a faulty memory register in a run down cobwebbed god machine

neat

[idle python]

So is Atlas like a god

[naive swift]

Atlas is also being pulled into a black hole; this might also explain time dilation.

[dull girder]

^which is also why we can see other travellers and players. There's only one traveller per simulation, but different iterations of the simulation are starting to bleed together, past simulations can interact with future ones and so on

[naive swift]

If there was to be a god, it would be Altas’ creator. Atlas is trying to understand why it exists and was abandoned. It is worshipped as a god, but it’s only the instrument of an even higher power.

Do we know the size of Nada’s simulation on the Anomaly? Is it a copy of the current 255 or just the one Artemis was aware of before her death?

[dull girder]

Nada has multiple simulations, I'm pretty sure. From what I remember, the one that Artemis can be put into is only a single system. However, during the mission In Stellar Multitudes, you access a different simulation and find the exact system that you're currently in. So presumably that simulation would have to include at least an entire galaxy worth of stuff that also matches up with the actual galaxy you're playing in

[hoary rivet]

Only a single system? I thought everything appeared normal to Artemis, who was unaware that it was a simulation? Or am I thinking of something else?

[quiet sleet]

What 16 does mean i see it everywhere

[naive jacinth]

Scroll a bit up

[prisma jackal]

It’s because that sixteen is in an alien timescale

[half badger]

What's 16

[sinful relic]

Gunter 16

[weary jasper]

The number 16 is a recurring element in the game. For starters, No Man's Sky was released in 2016. Another random relevant fact... Possible Spoiler: || The number of planet possibilities (seeds) (18٫446٫744٫073٫709٫551٫616) is equal to 16^16. ||

📚 NMS Lore Wiki Source »

[flint wing]

this choice is just too hard for me, idk why

[prisma jackal]

Let Artemis live, it’s not his time yet

[sinful relic]

Sure, toss his doppleganger mind in prison

I let him die, a copy like the one you have will be stored in the World of Glass already

[naive swift]

For Artemis, there is no significant difference between their existence before and after their ‘death’. They remain in a simulation, just like our character. The only difference is whether you make them aware of the simulation. If you do, they are at the same level of consciousness as our character.

[sinful relic]

Except trapped for eternity (from their perspective) in a single system

[naive swift]

Is it eternal or does Nada’s version account for death like the wider simulation?

I guess awareness is the only difference. If Artemis does not perceive their reality as a simulation, does it matter? Just a thought.

[small goblet]

ik this has some kind of lore lmaooo

[prisma jackal]

I remember seeing 3 bodies having on a walk for the first time too

[rain venture]

i really wanna know more about the atlas foundation

hell, their logo is even in the game

in the qs shop

[maiden drum]

I remember how incredible that scene was in VR but looking at this screenshot now, no matter how much I want to unsee it, I can only see a sad face

The Atlas is sad

[wispy basalt]

aye, its a machine trying to eke out the best it can from its last 16 seconds

[grave cradle]

Is this a command or does he respond to anything?

Gunter Artemis

[subtle epoch]

Gunter, speak

[raw marten]

saying gunter before something is the same as using an exclamation mark, basically an alternate command prefix. 16 is a command, same as faq-inventory for example

[grave cradle]

wow the more you know

[humble yew]

Gunter 16

[raw marten]

gunter 16

[weary jasper]

The number 16 is a recurring element in the game. For starters, No Man's Sky was released in 2016. Another random relevant fact...
-# Possible Spoiler: ||16 / 16 is the seventh story mission of the Artemis Path٫ starting immediately upon the conclusion of Patterns in Time.|| ⁠See more »

[teal folio]

I just thought of a funny bit of lore... perhaps the lore reason for terraformed dirt getting replaced is that the Sentinels fill it back in when the player isn't around, in order to keep the planets pristine in their eyes

[grave cradle]

will be stealing this for my personal headcanon thank you

[subtle forge]

where would they get the dirt from

[white hollow]

From //GLASS//

[desert kelp]

If we can regenerate terrain, they probably can too 😅

[dull girder]

It's not a lore thing, but sentinels are technically responsible in part for terrain edits being regenerated

because the game only stores so many terrain deformations in the save file at a time, when sentinels shoot those grenades at you that make craters in the ground, they're adding deformations towards that limit and overriding old edits

I like the idea that they're doing it on purpose

[naive swift]

Sentinels don’t attack, they edit

[subtle epoch]

Aggressive editing

[wispy basalt]

corporate edits

[austere sparrow]

Can someone explain the story of the Atlas to me? Never fully wrapped my head around it

[wispy basalt]

you want the full thing, or an abridged summary?

[austere sparrow]

Abridged summary

[wispy basalt]

the atlas is basically an abandoned supercomputer. it simulates its creator through us, the traveller, to figure out why it left the atlas. but its an old, dusty, musty, cobwebbed machine at this point, and is slowly dying. in supposedly real time, the atlas dies in 16 minutes. but, since we're in a simulation made by the atlas, that timescale could mean anything for us, from seconds to eons. that is why we can see other travellers on space stations, those glitched planets, and other funky stuff

its signs that the atlas is no longer able to fully maintain the simulation

[obsidian plaza]

WOW...Perfect

At the moment i try to discover the trues behind the guardians and where they cam from (No spoiler plz) and everything i found is WOW i dind know anything about that.

[midnight nest]

Why do the sentinels not attack us when we use the terrain manipulator in lore

[wispy basalt]

because, i think at least, terrain manipulations can just be extreme natural weathering. you have planets with enough toxicity to corrode and rust god, enough heat to melt a sun, enough cold to freeze space, and then some just straight up flip gravity. landforms can get messed around with over time due to the world itself. but actively messing with the flora fauna and mineral levels on a planet is hella sus

[obsidian plaza]

I hear that Atlas dies in 16 seconds and yeah you know the rest.... So and someone say every time we enter the Core and creat a new Galaxy one second goes.... Thats mean if we reach the Core of every Galaxy 16 times Atlas will die?...And what happend than? We Finish the game 100%? 😄

[dull girder]

The time that the Atlas has left doesn't progress when you go to the core. You can travel through all 256 galaxies and there will still be 16 minutes left

From our perspective, the 16 minutes are passing extremely slowly. If you consider the amount of time that has passed in real life as canon, then we've been on the same minute for eight years now lol

[wispy basalt]

yeah, it might be 16 mins in atlas time, but for us, it can stretch for eons

[obsidian plaza]

Okay something i found out about the Korvax .I found some Archives and the was a story about that maybe the Atlas create to Korvax to build some world but with more and more world the Atlas lost control over the Korvax and they become
autonomous and so i think the atlas have create the Sentinels. But the Kovax know about the Atlas and praise them like a god and the Sentinels first order was to delet every mark of the Atlas and everyone that knows about the atlas. But with more and more World the Atlas loose more and more control of it and the Sentinels has forgotten. can this be correct?

[naive swift]

Do we need to worry about spoilers in this channel? It would difficult to discuss lore while censoring ourselves.

[white hollow]

Per [Pinned Channel Rules](#nms-lore message)

• Spoiler tag not required

[naive swift]

Ahh man, I forgot to

[white hollow]

Category is called "🤫 No Man's Sky Spoilers"

Channel's description mentions possible Spoilers

Lore as the topic implies that there will be lore spoilers

Idk if we can make it more obvious that people should expect to see Spoilers here

[naive swift]

What if we call it “loriolers”? It will clarify absolutely nothing. 🤡

[obsidian plaza]

SOOO i remove the spoiler tags

[naive swift]

Yes. So Atlas ordered the destruction of Korvax Prime every time, in each simulation. After doing this countless times, the Sentinels rebelled and would no longer destroy anything, instead choosing to not allow disturbances to a planet.

[eager kayak]

The Gek Reckoning – The Feud of MrShmurders, Admiral of the Black
An outlaw’s tale etched in starfire and memory cores.

They say he was born nameless—just another scrapper drifting between Vy’keen war zones and dying Korvax ruins. But the stars don’t remember him that way. Out there, in the fringe systems where law ends and legend begins, he is known by a darker title:
Admiral of the Black.

And his war began on Yit’zel-Kar.

It was a neutral moon, a trade hub built atop an ancient First Spawn ruin. There, MrShmurders was closing a deal—offloading a haul of quantum-wrapped Korvax memory cores smuggled from a fallen observatory. Beside him was Helm-Echo, a reprogrammed Korvax he called friend—maybe the only one.

Then came the Fatted Claw, a Gek guild tracing its bloodline to the First Spawn, the old empire that once ground Korvax worlds to ash. They wore smiling faces and offered fat bids, but MrShmurders had seen the shadows behind their eyes. He refused their deal.

That night, the Fatted Claw struck.
Helm-Echo was ripped apart, his soul-core shattered and scattered like trash. The memory cores vanished into the black markets of S’ratha Prime. When MrShmurders returned to the docking bay, all he found was silence and a Gek war emblem burned into the wall—a First Spawn sigil.

The next day, he vanished.

Weeks later, freighters began disappearing. Gek convoys went dark. Stations built atop First Spawn relics were found gutted and aflame. On every ruined hull was the same calling card: a black sigil painted in orbital soot, and a red phrase scratched into the steel in Korvax script:

“Debt Acknowledged.”

Word spread like solar fire: the smuggler had become something else. A ghost. A storm. An executioner.
Admiral of the Black—a title forged not in fleet command, but in vengeance. He commanded no nation, no system, no flag... only the cold, absolute wrath of someone who had lost everything to an empire that claimed to be long dead.

But the First Spawn never truly died. Their blood still fuels the trade guilds. Their sigils mark ancient vaults. Their arrogance, like a sickness, remains.

And MrShmurders?
He hunts it.

Relentlessly.
Ledger by bloody ledger.

[chilly harbor]

I love NMS lore!

[flint wing]

I wonder what's this last choice in the atlas station? I mean, I remember that one brings you to the new galaxy, and another one doesn't, but what's the difference?

[white hollow]

Gameplay wise nothing major

• reset the simulation:

  • you can pick type of the galaxy you will go to. It will send you to the next galaxy of that type on the list. E.g. Reset in Euclid and pick green (lush) -> Eissentam, reset in Elkupals, pick green -> Isdoraijung.
  • All your installed technology in exosuit, ship and multitool is damaged as if you warped through the galactic core

• refuse to reset:

  • you stay in your current galaxy, but you can still visit other galaxies by warping through the core or if someone gives you a lift

Narratively speaking either way Atlas has 16min left in time outside of the simulation.

Last time I did the story I opted to not reset to not have to bother with uninstalling tech or repairing it as I just wanted to finish it.

[flint wing]

hey, what do i do here

[white hollow]

Birthing a new star is just fluff, you don't actually create a star, but it will end the mission and you will receive star seed technology blueprint, exosuit technology that buffs your health a bit. You will be able to present atlas your personal wonders at Atlas Stations in exchange for some nanites

Walk away means refusing Atlas at the last moment and you will get Mark of the Denier. It doesnt have the buff, but it can be charged by scanning stuff on planets, when charged to 100% you can bring it to Atlas Station in exchange for some nanites

You dont go to a different galaxy in this mission

What I described previously is end of the Artemis path, what you have here is the end of the Atlas Path

Fluff tho says that you create a new star and experience part of what Atlas feels, the creation of something

Character comments about understanding Atlas a bit more

[prisma jackal]

You canonically saved your friends that way

[flint wing]

i did it, lads

[naive swift]

In remembrance 🫡

[meager gull]

Rember

[flint wing]

ember

[chilly harbor]

I reset the galaxy but I refused to help the Atlas

[obsidian plaza]

DO IT!

[obsidian plaza]

Why Atlas is friendly... 😦

[chilly harbor]

The Atlas is friendly at least from what I understand because of our status in the NMS universe all of us embody a piece of the creator, we are Travelers

[obsidian plaza]

I want to ask something i want to figure out. I found something today on a Sentinel/Guardian tower and...Are The Korvax the Creater of the Sentinels/Guardins (Dont know the right English word for it in German we call the "Wächter") ???

[naive jacinth]

No. Korvax didint created the sentinels.

Atlas did.

[obsidian plaza]

I reread this but it sound like atlas create first the Korvax and the Korvax let praise themself as praised by atlas and command the sentinels but what than happend is unclear for me...Last test was something like "We are the Korvax praise us" i dont know.... I just think the Korvax story is deep.. and when i go deeper in this rabbit hole i will maybe find something i didnt like 😄

[subtle epoch]

The atlas created both the korvax and the sentinels, the sentinels at some point bugged out and destroyed korvax prime, and the korvax worship the atlas as a god

[chilly harbor]

The Korvax worship the Sentinels

[chilly harbor]

The Gek destroyed Korvax Prime the Sentinels didn't destroy it they were helpless to watch though but as they did they became traumatized by it and became...different and aggressive, that's why they attack us now

[subtle epoch]

“Helpless to watch” as if they weren’t the universe’s equivalent of a police force lmao

Unless they actually were incompetent at that point and only gained their own weaponry after the event

[chilly harbor]

They weren't really a police force yet more like monitors who only observed and catalogued

[wispy basalt]

they were more like the UN

[chilly harbor]

kind of, but either way they are aggressive now, but I am still wondering is if we'll get more lore on the Voice of Freedom

[wispy basalt]

Vykeen lore states that they had almost successfully pushed the Sentinels out of the Galaxy before the first spawn invaded so that might also be a reason as to why they weren‘t there to defend Korvax Prime.

This reminds me of a cool detail the discovery guide once revealed about a planet I discovered. It basically said that this planet originally belonged to the Vykeen, then got conquered by the first spawn but was eventually retaken by the Vykeen. Was really neat to see a lore detail like that done procedurally.

[chilly harbor]

indeed and now Vykeen are ordered by their high command to help people if i remeber correctly

[subtle epoch]

They’re under orders to help the travelers.
There’s also dialogue in the weapon specialist quest saying they fight so that violence doesn’t have to happen anymore (“the last weapon used will be against the Vy’keen, having served our holy purpose”) which I assume refers to stuff like pirates, sentinels and the first spawn

[wanton monolith]

Our holy purpose refers to when Vy’keen stood against the Sentinels and pushed them beyond the outer edge of the Eucilid

[wispy basalt]

i think korvax lore has to be the heaviest though

[chilly harbor]

agreed

[chilly harbor]

the Vykeen were attacked by the Sentinels and are a warrior culture they respect strength and honor

not to mention there are two different types of religions within the Vykeen if I remeber correctly

[wispy basalt]

hirk and naal

[chilly harbor]

The Gek were genetically altered after they enslaved the Korvax, The Nanites re-wrote the genetic code of the Gek making them what they are today

[wanton monolith]

Just like every race. The Vy’keen were scared of the sentinels and harassed by the sentinels until Hirk the Great. We weren’t “attacked” by anyone except by the first spawn, who rose in the shadow of Vykeen glory

[subtle epoch]

Okay so I got korvax prime mixed up with the sentinels destroying a whole universe. On that note, was Nada’s original home that universe or korvax prime? I think it’s the former but I’m not 100% sure

[wanton monolith]

The gek destroyed korvax prime, the sentinels just dictate over planets and resources for the Atlas.
When the Vykeen pushed the sentinels out of the galaxy is when the gek rose up and destroyed korvax prime.

No galaxy was destroyed because the sentinels and the atlas are trying to preserve the galaxy, planets, and resources

[subtle epoch]

And dialogue talking about the time the sentinels killed everything says that something had gone wrong to cause it, i.e. the sentinels bugged out and caused the massacre. The log of Nada’s crashed freighter (which either null or Apollo says is from a different universe) talked about her escaping something with Polo and other Korvax, which would either point to the destruction of KP or that of Nada and Polo’s original home, the latter of which led them to set up the anomaly station. Plus there’s plenty of mentions of the anomaly being separated from the gaze and hive mind of the sentinels, as well as Nada’s personal terminal being stated to be a piece of technology from her home.

May not have been the universe itself getting destroyed but something went wrong with the sentinels, causing them to eliminate all biological life in said universe, and their behaviour during the time period of the game is (at least in part) a reflection of that

[wanton monolith]

Ok, the sentinels (formerly aerons) became aggressively protective over planets when korvax prime was destroyed, it’s because it was destroyed that they are so aggressive. The korvax and Aerons had a close bond, serving the atlas.
Corrupted sentinels wiped out whole universes in the past.

Some sentinels are apparently a hive mind and some are sentient and want to be free from the atlas.
As to which are which I don’t know. Maybe laylaps? I don’t remember the laylaps story line as to why he’s friendly

[silver loom]

I've always wondered

just how intelligent are the sentinels?

I've been under the impression they're sort of like cybernetic tyrannids - a hivemind, but you'd think there'd be one singular program controlling them all

[chilly harbor]

that's my interpration of it at least the main sentinels

[chilly harbor]

as for the Singular Program that well I wouldn't say it controls them, but oversees them that would be The Atlas

[naive swift]

I believe Laylaps is an independent program inhabiting the shell of a sentinel

[chilly harbor]

Yeah that's my guess

[shadow warren]

Why is starsilk so valuable?

[naive swift]

Luxury item

[dull girder]

its in extremely high demand because of the absurd number of chairs at each trading post.

[cobalt bronze]

Why do sentinels attack when you destroy something

[compact snow]

The Atlas created the Sentinels to take care of the planets, so they see anything that disturbs the planet as a threat and must be eliminated

[twin sedge]

On some planets the sentinels are not so hostile, but yeah it’s pretty annoying when the planet is especially hard to survive on

[subtle epoch]

Any planet with sentinels has them attack when you destroy stuff in front of them, the difference is most don’t attack on sight

[wispy basalt]

The destruction of Korvax Prime triggers PTSD for the Sentinels whenever we mine stuff, though I believe that they would protect a planets resources to some extent regardless.

Their primary purpose is scanning and archiving technically, combat is just a byproduct of their archiving task. They back everything up in the world of glass. According to the sentinel pillars they haven’t always had a physical form either.

[cobalt tendon]

Official lore according to Hello Games: the protagonist is a toxic dipendent and what we play on the screen is his mind after cocaine.

[wispy basalt]

i hope we get to see the planet of glass

[glad flax]

I think the four main travelers; artemis, appollo, null, and you, corespond to the four galaxy types

Lush for artemis, harsh for appolo, dead for null, and standard for you

[dull girder]

Artemis, Apollo, and Null are meant to represent the main playstyles, I think: exploring, trading and fighting.

[wispy basalt]

Technically there‘s also Survival as the 4th Playstyle

I think Null represents this well given how hard he‘s been trying to preserve his life

In any case it all adds up huh

Wonder if its really intentional

[dull girder]

I'm fairly certain it is, since most things from around then lean into that idea. There's the three main races obviously, the ship types, the original specialized multitools, etc

I wouldn't be surprised if the galaxy types were meant to as well, but I don't think they quite stuck the landing if thats what they were going for.

[cobalt bronze]

Thank you brother

[prisma jackal]

I too hope to land in the planet of glass (like in an expedition)

[chilly harbor]

Yep

[undone current]

It would be awsome if we knew more of ||the first spawn, and korvax prime, and mabye some Vy’keen stuff, like mabye have a vision or something of how Korvax prime was and its destruction, just an expansion or hell, even an expedition where you get to play on the first spawn “era” per say,|| that would be awsome

(Don’t open if you don’t want spoilers for story and lore)

[chilly harbor]

agreed

[tight minnow]

do travellers worship the atlas

[dull charm]

clearly not

[subtle epoch]

Who would win, the sentinels or the guardians from BotW?

[obtuse ravine]

Are we us or are we our suit

[median wedge]

Sentinels

[chilly harbor]

As for my understanding Travelers do not worship the Atlas but they do have a link and always will have a link to it.

[glad flax]

Thats my theory

Lush for artemis, harsh for appolo, dead for null

And the fourth for you

[wispy basalt]

we are a reimagination of the creator of the atlas, makes sense we have that connection

[sinful edge]

so who in lore and stuff are the strongest like military power or just fights in general is it gek korvax or vy'keen or atlas i dont know if that counts i havent gotten that far yet

[chilly harbor]

Currently I believe it is the Vykeen

Their entire culture is warrior based

[wispy basalt]

its technically the first spawn, but they got genetically modified into traders, so now its vykeen

[chilly harbor]

there is a cult out there who are dedicated to the ressurection of the First Spawn Empire

[dull girder]

Arguably the Sentinels might be a stronger military power than the Vy'Keen

[chilly harbor]

I can see that

the Vykeen and the Sentinels are currently at war with each other as well

[inland edge]

IIRC, the Vy'keen were close to driving the Sentinels out of Euclid entirely before they were attacked by the First Spawn. But there are also timelines where the Sentinels killed everyone everywhere in less than an hour so yeah lol probably the Sentinels.

[subtle epoch]

iirc that only happened once, to the universe Nada and Polo came from. It’s why they created/started the anomaly

[chilly harbor]

The Sentinels and Atlas are aware of the Space Anomaly but choose not to do anything about it

[subtle epoch]

Doesn’t Nada say it’s hidden from the sentinels?

From their eyes

[chilly harbor]

Yes, but that's what Nada thinks

I remeber reading somewhere that the Sentinels are aware of it though

they believe it is hidden but it really isn't

[wispy basalt]

i'd assume that after the events of in stellar multitudes, the atlas is in fact aware of the anomaly

[subtle epoch]

That… would make sense

[chilly harbor]

what happend in Stellar Multitudes?

[wispy basalt]

we make the atlas ｒｅｍｅｍｂｅｒ dissonance

[subtle epoch]

We hack the atlas and use the anomaly as an anchor to manifest purple systems

[wispy basalt]

yeah

[chilly harbor]

oh that

that was a great quest also it was the first time the Void Mother DIRECTLY spoke to us

[subtle epoch]

Bc it was like the autophages had us hack the atlas to reveal a purple system to us, after which polo and tethys are like “okay take these funky hyperdrive blueprints, summon the station when you arrive and let’s get this done” so we do

[wispy basalt]

the only time, i think. or do we talk with her in some expeditions too?

[subtle epoch]

iirc

[subtle epoch]

Depends if timegated content is regarded as canon

[wispy basalt]

fair

[chilly harbor]

I am wondering why the Atlas forgot about Dissonence to begin with

[subtle epoch]

I didn’t know why it was that purple systems weren’t around but I assumed it did know, since plenty of regular systems were dissonant

[wispy basalt]

i think its because the dissonance is actually just a corrupt memory

that we made readable again

[subtle epoch]

Unless those are tiny pockets of it and purple systems are actually fully dissonant

[wispy basalt]

all purple systems should've been dissonant, then

[chilly harbor]

Makes sense

[subtle epoch]

In which case the atlas would know about the anomaly because it was A) directly involved in the event and B) present at the ‘ground zero’ purple system that we use the anchor from when the systems get restored

[chilly harbor]

Dissonant systems always have a planet with Dissonance on it

[inland edge]

The purple stars are from another previous iteration of the universe. The parameters have gotten narrower as the Atlas got older.

[subtle epoch]

Definitely wasn’t a case of the atlas forgetting about dissonance then. Maybe forgetting about gas giants and water worlds lol

[chilly harbor]

True I forgot about that

[wispy basalt]

but not all purple systems have dissonance in them. unless we work on the assumption that heavy dissonance can present itself as planetary manipulation. waterworlds, gas giants, etc

[subtle epoch]

Jupiter is a manifestation of dissonance confirmed, the milky way is galaxy 257 /j

[chilly harbor]

Right

[inland edge]

It's that you're porting the star and planet types that existed in Minute 19 (?) back into 16.

[chilly harbor]

I am still wondering if we'll get more encounters with the Void Mother directly

[chilly harbor]

The Void Mother seeks to survive. The Altas is loosing control as it dies

[wispy basalt]

we need a void mother corrupted the atlas boss fight

[subtle epoch]

Which part of the quest was the void mother encounter?

[wispy basalt]

where she's trying to make all systems fully dissonant

[chilly harbor]

I don't think the two would fight directly

[inland edge]

You never meet her directly.

[wispy basalt]

final steps of hacking atlas, she talks through the atlas

[chilly harbor]

We met the Atlas directly through it's interfaces

[subtle epoch]

Ah okay

[inland edge]

It seems clear though that from the perspective of all the NPCs it's just flips switch "WDYM? Gas giants have always existed." lol

[chilly harbor]

It's possible we could build her an interface

Or she'll fully corrupt and take over an Atlas Station

[wispy basalt]

purple atlas station, mayhaps

[chilly harbor]

Maybe

Or maybe her own type of station

I have a feeling that there also could be another ship soon

[wispy basalt]

ship type, or expedition ship?

[chilly harbor]

Sorry I meant to say another race not ship

Freaking auto correct

Relic worlds and ancient stone guardians are the remnants of an ancient, and old civilization

I believe that they are a key to the past

[wispy basalt]

Nah the first spawn had to lurk in the shadows until the Sentinels & Vy‘keen had used up all their forces on each other, they would have gotten clapped by both.

Prime Vy‘keen were almost successful in pushing the Sentinels out of the galaxy, that‘s such an insane feat I thought the lore was bad when I first learned about it, especially when considering how the Sentinels wiped out all life in another Universe within like half an hour.

[naive swift]

The Void Mother is your friend

[wispy basalt]

Im not so sure, some of her allies seem to hold a deep grudge against travellers. A Sentinel pillar log states that we are to blame for everything due to being the Atlas creator, even tho we aren‘t so literally. But we are modelled after the Atlas creator after all and thus associated with the Atlas.

The Abyss also works closely together with Null who while a traveller himself…is well, a serial killer of travellers

The other ally is the family of glass which has always been depicted as a rather malevolent force in the lore. They are usually assumed to be the Sentinels but we know from descriptions that they can maliciously grin and apparently have died before, as the Sentinel pillar log says something like this, likely the Void Mother speaking: „the family of glass and i are in agreement, we will not die another time“. So the family of glass are beings which have gone through death/deletion before.

My bet is that they are actually the prognitor races who existed many many years ago when the Atlas hardware was still in tact and simulating dozens of species not just Vykeen,Gek & Korvax.

These beings have been stated to put seeds of glass under their skin and have reached new levels of intelligence doing this, makes sense because the world of glass contains all knowledge and data of the simulation basically. Artemis also mentions them when they are are stranded there, describing them as „wearing our face“.

So there have to exist beings distinct from the Sentinels within the World of glass, I mean Sentinels cannot even grin?!

These beings only exist in the World of glass now where everything that has been simulated and is currently simulated gets backed up.

I hope they don‘t forget about the family of glass among all of this void mother stuff especially considering that they are apparently allied. The family of glass is also „older“ (not necessarily literally) than the VM, having been in the game since 1.0 through the lore of abandoned buildings.

[inland edge]

Couple of things I've never been clear on:

Are the other galaxies supposed to exist in the same universe as Euclid, or are they all just "the galaxy" and you can move between them because you're a Traveler? In other words, does FreeGek Randeaux know he can fly his Hauler into the core of Euclid and come back out in the Hilbert Dimension? CAN he?

On that note: teleportation. I know that only the Travelers (and Sentinels) can use the portals, but the conventional, buildable teleporters have most of the same capabilities. Is the thing where your ship goes with you "normal" or is that also a special Traveler ability? What about summoning your fleet from anywhere? Yeah your freighter needs the appropriate hyperdrive upgrades, but it doesn't consume fuel and it has no range limitation. Is that "normal" or another magic Traveler perk?

[dull girder]

We know the final Atlas station is at the galactic center, so presumably when you fly there you're actually visiting that station and rebooting the simulation like in The Purge, just off screen. As far as I know, non-travelers can't see, let alone interact with the Atlas interfaces so other characters would have no idea that the other galaxies are even a possibility

[subtle epoch]

One of the derelict captain’s logs mentions a traveler having the crew stop near an atlas station, so they gotta know the interfaces exist at least

One way I see it is for the case of freighter summoning, it could be the flight crew receiving the summons and seeing the system they’re heading to, and it’s in the correct position on the map so they go there. However, it’s in a different galaxy, so they’re just pulling/getting pulled across dimensions/galaxies by their traveler.
Example: my freighter is in my home system in Euclid, and I’m in a system in Hilbert with a position on the Hilbert map similar to that of my home system on the Euclid map. I summon my freighter, so my position is broadcasted to my freighter’s crew, making my location temporarily visible to them on their Euclid map. They warp through, arrive where I am, and then their map becomes the Hilbert map. The warp tunnel is the same for ships, freighters and teleporters, so nothing seems amiss. My crew could just assume they warped really far within Euclid.

[dull girder]

I think a lot of the teleporting/summoning stuff is probably not cannon, or at least it doesn't work the same way in lore as it does in gameplay. For example the portals work totally different during the main story compared to normal gameplay

Stuff like fast travelling between galaxies, freighters being able to be summoned between galaxies can easily be explained by the barriers between simulations degrading

Portals and teleporters would be kinda useless if you had to leave your ship behind when going through them so I feel like that was a completely gameplay driven choice and probably shouldn't be taken too seriously

[subtle epoch]

Definitely gotta be a gameplay thing because lore wise it’s a bit wack for space stations to just casually contain a travel method that’s significantly more powerful than portals built within ancient monolithic towers that you have to find by giving physical offerings to ancient souls

Also since squadrons follow their players around without any kind of hyperdrive upgrades, they’re definitely getting pulled around through space to some degree

[dull girder]

I always imagined your freighter crew as handling the logistics of keeping the fleet fueled and managing the warping. Obviously they can jump anywhere instantly but again, it would be really inconvenient if you had to wait hours for your fleet to travel to you in real time after you go through a portal or something.

[subtle epoch]

I imagine freighters have their own way of generating power since it’s pretty much infinite for base facilities

Big solar panels or smth since they’re always out in view of stars

[midnight nest]

starships are powered by reactors, according to the ship fabricator, we don't know what it runs on, what if freighters have a giant internal reactor, my theory is that freighters collect helium-3 from the solar wind, and fuse it to generate energy, we just can't get it as a resource, maybe the products from the collector you can build on freighters is the byproducts from the process of collecting the helium-3, plus there are fusion trade products you can craft

YES!!!! I'M ORANGE

[inland edge]

That part is pretty straightforward, I think.

Ships use SO MUCH energy while warping that power consumed during normal operations is basically a rounding error. Sort of like how conventional starships "don't consume" power unless they're launching, warping, or pulsing. Which is to say, they DO, but it's in such negligible amounts compared to the other functions that they can be carried over BY those functions.

So the 20% charge to warp also covers everything the freighter does until it warps again. Starship pulse drives are so efficient that fuel consumption out of pulse is negligible (but probably not actually zero).

[chilly harbor]

That's also why they all have AI cores right?

To help manage all of the ship functions so they can have a smaller crew

[iron swan]

So Ive followed the lore loosely but I just have one question…what is the deal with the sentinels? Like why you gotta try and kill me just cuz I needed some rocks for my base

[chilly harbor]

It's because they are traumatized with how to get to Korvax Prime

[chilly harbor]

The Gek, The First Spawn destroyed Korvax Prime because all they could do is watch

[deep dew]

So basically this has happened atleast once in your save?:

"Ey boss"

"Yes Toigek kalnjakkja"

"I think we're in a different galaxy, look at the color of the core"

"You're hallucinating things, it must be some kinda nebula messing around with the light"

"Maybe, yeah you're right"

Onto another topic, are the Autophage Evil?

[wispy basalt]

Nothing that‘s indicating this so far, unless you judge them solely based on their connection to the VM.

But we don‘t even know yet if the Void Mother is truly evil, only that it apparently works together with some sus people (Null who‘s basically a serial killer, Family of Glass who are described as „maliciously grinning“ on one occassion, Artemis was also very scared of them and Laylaps who hates travellers according to sentinel pillar logs) and is likely responsible for a bunch of traveller and other people’s dissappearances/deaths. Sounds kinda evil but its likely more complicated than that.

And the Atlas technically has done a lot of this stuff too, one might even say its responsible for it all due to being the one simulating it in the first place? But if we are being upfront about it, the Atlas only does what it well…has been trained and programmed to do, or at this point it‘s rather attempting to do this. Can‘t even generate more than 3 races now smh. We only have the 4th now because of the VM.

[subtle epoch]

Yes
“We’re not in Kansas anymore, Lootingentity Flagolod”

[chilly harbor]

What about the Voice of Freedom?

[wispy basalt]

Pretty sure the voice of freedom is just another disguise of the void mother

[chilly harbor]

Yeah problay but I still want more lore on it

I want it...now!!

[deep dew]

Why do they see/talk about you as basically speaking, Space Jesus then?

Like from what I've seen ingame, NMS may just be running into an Sugar Crisis because of how much the Autophage Glaze the Player 😭

Also, what are the relations between the Autophage and Vy'keen if they have them, and have any of the Gek Last Spawns ever encountered Autophage?

And do the Autophage have the Equivalent of an Scottish accent to the Korvax's British?

[inland edge]

It seems like the Autophage had very little contact with anyone else before you came along. The camps are hidden, the campers are cloaked. IDK if/how the new Autophage settlements change this. They may be coming out of hiding now that Astronaut Jesus is here and the purple stars are back.

[subtle epoch]

I don’t think the settlements change that mechanically, you still gotta scan to reveal folks & all, but they could be a sign of increased contact bc I’ve had a management decision that can increase or decrease my korvax reputation

[deep dew]

Why do they glaze the player so much btw?

[eternal vessel]

🤔

[inland edge]

Short Version: The Atlas likes you, and will let you into its stations to use its interfaces. This means the Autophage can use you as a back door for all sorts of stuff like restoring the purple stars and eventually bringing their Void Mother (i.e. the Atlantid: the ghost of Korvax Prime) back to reality.

[unreal torrent]

I need to pay more attention to the autophage. The Void Mother seems really interesting.

[chilly harbor]

They seek survival

[unreal torrent]

doesnt everthing? 🤔

[chilly harbor]

yes but the Void Mother seeks to survive past the 16th minute

[inland edge]

The Autophage are Echoes of the first Korvax Convergence, lost when the Gek destroyed Korvax Prime. Except Nothing's Ever Really Gone, and so they assemble bodies for themselves out of Sentinels, abandoned Korvax shells and other mechanical life forms. The Void Mother herself is Korva. The Atlantid. The Echo of Korvax Prime itself (the Authophage frequently refer to her as "Prime" as in Korvax Prime). Korva, or the Atlantid, is a distinct subroutine within the Atlas, which is now separate from the Atlas. Similar to Telemon (your exosuit's AI).

[rare nexus]

First time you visit a gel relic the crystal looking thing says “We are the FIRST SPAWN. Look upon our works and DESPAIR.” Is this an Ozymandias reference?

[noble creek]

I was thinking this too, the First Spawn used to be powerful and have now been reduced to remnants scattered across the galaxy

[last maple]

GCSE English Literature moment

[noble creek]

Getting a grade 9

[last maple]

Did you do yours this year

[noble creek]

Yea did u

[last maple]

Yeah

[karmic trout]

What exactly is the story behind the derelict freighters being infested with this Alien infection. Is there any lore behind them? From what I can see, Vy'keen captains record in their logs that they have integrated sentinel machinery into their freighter, Gek captains have taken a Traveler on a paid contract only to encounter the Atlas (haven't encountered any Korvax yet). Is it all random or is there a hidden, overarching narrative??

[stable pier]

So my theory here has to do with terrifying samples; I assume they come across an artifact, then an abyssal horror hunts them across the universe, finally finding them and killing the entire crew, potentially infecting their carcases with new horrors 😂

Item description of terrifying samples states:

"An appalling relic, the haunted remains of some abyssal horror. It has lived at least X0 lifetimes, and will live many more again.

Will stalk the bearer across the galaxy and the next, unless it is sold before the curse can take effect."

[karmic trout]

Also some of the logs mention that the crew have been possessed by this horror (partial entity, biological matter replaced by external etc ). We also get a similar log during some of our own frigate expeditions but it always follows up with "Crew refused to bring resulting hybrid entity through the airlock"

So what is this abyssal horror? Is it like some kind of leakage from a hellish dimension? I think the movie "Event Horizon" has a similar plot.

[stable pier]

It would be convenient linking the horrors to the world of glass, but outside of ||one sentinal drone and one traveler|| we don't really have precendent for that occurring. Maybe it's just ||the Atlus's corruption leading to the creation of random horror fan service from "Event Horizon" and "Alien"||

It's hard to say

[karmic trout]

But we do see other Travelers on space stations? One of them even asked me for "plutonium" which doesn't exist in our NMS universe but is assumed to exist in theirs?

[stable pier]

Though the ||Atlus being a film buff should be canon|| 😂

[stable pier]

Ah the World of Glass being the horror universe; haven't seen many instances of anything making back from there in the lore.
Though I do see your point; potentially it's just a being from another universe.

While Atlus may use the universe defaults: Chicken, Robo, Hippo; it is probable that there are universes with far more diverse species.

[karmic trout]

It is kinda unexpected that the "please trade with us" chickens ended up being the genocidal maniacs rather than the burly "pathetic inter-loper" hippos ... think someone else also pointed that out lol

[stable pier]

I mean as the Atlus counts down we could see some wild things 🤞

[stable pier]

Ah but the chickens now are not the same as the chickens before; they were hench once upon a time

[karmic trout]

The First Spawn guys are still running around right.. still wish we could take the fight to them

[stable pier]

I dunno; there's a cult but I'm not sure if the first spawn have been successfully grown yet

I'm not that far in the game xD

I do know that the first spawn are circulating around outlaw space though 👍 gun down a merchant ship and you see a lot of it

[hoary rivet]

That may be left over from when plutonium was a thing. https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Plutonium#Release_history removed in NEXT

[karmic trout]

ahhh so it is just a nod then? doesn't have any lore relevance

Still I am curious to know where do these abyssal horrors come from?? why does Team Sentinel World Police just ignore them? If anything, they would be the first on scene to cleanup right? I mean yeah for game-play purposes we're allowed to explore but how do the Sentinels ignore this very grave threat inflicting such harm on so many freighters?

[stable pier]

Maybe they can't see them, or don't perceive them as a problem. The horrors only attack when provoked and to the sentinals, any species which instigates a fight is the criminal

goes back to the Gek/Korvax lore

[wispy basalt]

The Horrors are most likely creations of the Abyss/Void Mother who has been infesting the Universe with Nanites in order to reshape it for her goals. And the world of glass isn‘t a horror world per see, but the realm of the Sentinels. To be specific it is an archive/backup where the Sentinels store all the data of the Simulation. This why it’s called the world of glass and described as being all bright, it’s like a server room basically.

This means that technically dead or rather deleted beings could reside within it. We have for example seen an attempt from the Void Mother to restore a deleted traveller named Leto from the World of Glass during the Omega Expedition.

[stable pier]

I dunno; the description of cutting glass and the horrifying smiles of twisted creatures definitely feels like a horror universe xD

But you're right, what you said is the lore

Also wasn't there a haloween expedition involving the world of glass

[wispy basalt]

I mean there’s still the possibility of malicious beings existing within the world of glass. The family of glass is described as such. And while many believe it to be the Sentinels, I think the family of glass might actually be the prognitor races who existed before the Atlas degraded and started only simulating the three we have now. The Sentinels pillars also state that the family of glass (and the others involved) do not want to die again , so yeh

This might explain the grins and iirc there was also some statement uttering something about a being there speaking words which shouldn‘t be possible for it‘s alien tongue, which makes sense in the context since the World of glass contains all data and therefore also all knowledge regarding the languages.

The world of glass has archived everything from the simulation, so the more scary parts of the simulation must be there aswell

[stable pier]

Yeah agreed on the prognitor races, I think that makes more sense considering some say the void mother is the remains of the Korvax hive mind; ergo when it was destroyed by the Gek it went to this world then started corrupting it.

I get the feeling that Korvax hive mind is a separate enity from Atlantid though a lot of people say they are one in the same.

The bit about more scary parts of the simulation being archived makes sense; the only question which remains is how do they get from the world of glass to the travellers universe. I assume portal travel but not sure.

Man I love the lore of this game, is very deep

[wispy basalt]

Yeah it has to be portal travel, iirc Apollo detects Sentinels activity in relation to the portal „leylines“ during the Artemis questline. And Artemis also stranded in the World of glass through portal travel.

The first traveller Null was also the first one to use portals and they got the glyphs from cutting open a Sentinel drone, so the connection is there.

Null is generally super scary tbh, just showing up in other travellers worlds and killing them lol. It kinda has had a herobrine like effect on me, he could have likely ended us too if he had desired to do so. He is mentioned by Laylaps and I believe in a weekend mission too, likely working together with the Void mother so I hope to meet them again.

Since the Sentinel pillars mention the VM wanting to recreate the Creator I believe this is being done by feeding travellers to Null who we know has the ability to absorb traveller souls. Laylaps in the pillar lore mentions some Telamons bringing their travellers to „us“ (VM faction) while others have fought back and resisted. There‘s def some sketchy stuff going on.

But yeah, NMS lore is very underrated and often overglanced. I was at first upset that they had gone with the simulation route, seen enough of this in other media at this point and it usually renders things more meaningless for me but HG has managed to make it so compelling, I really can‘t get enough of it (obviously) lol

[radiant plover]

Can someone explain more about what we know about laylaps

The sentinel pillers say he is bring the traveller's to the purple, but that he believes they are happier where they are. Is he unintentional to what the Atlantids intentions are for the traveller or is he just evil?

[inland edge]

Laylaps has some connection either to Null or to Ariadne. The lore is vague, but those two Travelers got up to some shenanigans. I've assumed for a while that Laylaps was the first drone that Null murdered to acquire the portal glyphs, but I have nothing to base that on. It's just as possible that Laylaps was palling around with Ariadne before teaming up with your current iteration.

[stable pier]

So I think the lore of Laylaps is a traveller did experiments on a sentinal drone to see if they could understand the technology Sentinals use to teleport, but through tampering accidentally ended up in the world of glass and got chased by the family of glass, but then Laylaps saved that traveller for an unknown reason

[wispy basalt]

That is how it went down from my understanding as well yes. Null is quite a ruthless person tbh, being the first traveller to kill a Sentinel Drone as well as other travellers.

But technically we are also them, so…

[stable pier]

Remember someone doing a lore video about that

[radiant plover]

Probably ghost light

[wispy basalt]

Ghost Light!

[stable pier]

Yeah I think it was

[radiant plover]

It's always ghost light

[stable pier]

Makes sense though; first thing Laylaps says is GLASS | GLASS | GLASS

Also how does Laylaps have so much knowledge of minotaur technology that he can teach the player to make replica parts

Not sure how he knows of Telamon though

[stable pier]

I assume he had access to archived knowledge from the world of glass

[wispy basalt]

Telamon is a weird case

[stable pier]

Telamon lore is generally weird

[wispy basalt]

Telamon even 4th wall break us in the boundary failure logs, Telamon knows its just in a video game lol

[stable pier]

Yeah, though our world is just another simulation right

[wispy basalt]

Um maybe ig

But even with this knowledge it could still make sense for Telamon to side with the VM, because the VM promises Telamon freedom, to not just be stuck in our exosuits

[stable pier]

I think I heard the simulation inception theory from a video

[radiant plover]

Numbers all the way down, as far down as you can divide are numbers, the numbers only get smaller. Numbers as further than our skies can reach. The numbers only get bigger.

[stable pier]

Its funny considering the lore when none of it is real irl and in game 😂 all just a simulation

[wispy basalt]

Well the things within the simulation still feel stuff so it doesnt really matter

[radiant plover]

It's a philosophical quote about the nature of creating a simulated universe. The moment a 1to1 universe is created digitally it proves we are also digital ourselves. That is the plot of nms in a grand scheme I believe. Was the atlas was the 1 to 1 digital universe in the lore.

[stable pier]

Its existentialism at its finest

[radiant plover]

In the lore of nms, all realities are simulations because the technology is possible.

The creator of the atlas is in a simulation, we the players are in a simulation. Once the numbers are found, everything becomes numbers, we are numbers.

[stable pier]

Yup agree with you both, was just laughing at the lore being so deep yet also simultaneously being nothing but an AIs dream

Numbers building a false reality

[radiant plover]

If all is numbers

What makes it false

The traveller says "I am not real" but the traveller feels, thinks, and is free to decide, why is the traveller not real in their own reality. If the creator is in a simulation, why is he any more real than the traveller.

falsity is a word for the blind

👀 👁 👀

[stable pier]

Well, one interesting thought, though with no backing or evidence to suggest its canon; but what if the reality where the atlus exists physically has been fully consumed by a black hole and the only reality left is the simulation, would that be the only real thing left

[radiant plover]

What if time is frozen in the event horizon of a blackhole? And 16 minutes will never end

[wispy basalt]

But the Atlas‘ Simulation requires the Atlas to simulate it

[stable pier]

I've been wondering why the Atlus can't do anything about its predicament

Seems odd

[radiant plover]

In the event horizon of a black things appear to be stuck and motionless from the outside, what if time is just frozen

[wispy basalt]

The Atlas was created in order to simulate possible futures and outcomes for humanity, which resulted in humanity finding out about the incoming black hole and fleeing

[dull girder]

Something like that is a good explanation as to how the different iterations of the simulation are bleeding into each other (since they are implied to be sequential rather than running simultaneously)

[radiant plover]

Yes

[stable pier]

Surely an ai that advanced could do something to avoid the black hole right

[wispy basalt]

Uhm

[stable pier]

So why is there only 16

[radiant plover]

How so?

[wispy basalt]

Im not sure if a black hole can be „defeated“ lol

[stable pier]

Well not defeated, but avoided

[wispy basalt]

Only through the heat death of the universe ig, but thats gonna take a while and basically end everything

[stable pier]

Unless the black hole has consumed everything

Just a fun thought

[radiant plover]

If everything is a simulation, we just need to escape 2 of them so hear me out, the black hole consumes the atlas, the traveller finds a way out, they fly their ship though the exit into the title of light no fire

Now they must go even deeper

I do believe that in the end, the atlas dies and light no fire is the direct continuation of the story

[wispy basalt]

LNF will be interesting in this regard, how directly it‘ll be tied to NMS and stuff

[radiant plover]

The atlantid takes over for 3 minutes and is super bored of space

She wants dragons

[stable pier]

I mean simulation inception is a fun idea, though there is another theory where the Atlus is lying about 16 and has led itself through obsession over its own death to believe its going to die 🤣

I like that theory

[radiant plover]

No jokes aside, I don't believe the atlas is truly going to die. I believe the way it experiences time is permanently frozen and the ship it's on is stuck on the event horizon completely motionless

[wispy basalt]

So the question is what the VM‘s going to do about all that…

[stable pier]

Possible, would make sense

[radiant plover]

Doesn't the game count down from 16 at the end when you beat the game but then the simulation just reboots

[stable pier]

Hard to say with VM, the lores very vague

[radiant plover]

Is that even explained?

I never understood that part

[wispy basalt]

Something feasable would be for the VM to reach out of the Simulation in order to try to send out a distress signal, but then there‘s also the weird goal of recreating the creator

[radiant plover]

^

That's me

[stable pier]

I mean to me VM is just the Korvax hive mind which perished and now is stuck in the world of glass

[radiant plover]

Ot says somewhere that it is constantly screaming a song of pain as it dies in countless realities simultaneously and living in others to feel itself die

[stable pier]

But then the VM originally was just another part of the Atlus

[radiant plover]

That's why they say the void mother sings

[dull girder]

I personally like to think the Atlas itself is in a simulation too. Not directly implied anywhere in the lore but it is a common idea in simulation theory and in game we see many simulations that are implied to be comparable to the Atlas' one. The Atlas could be saved by whatever supercomputer is running the simulation it lives in, just like how the Atlas could save any computer that exists in the game that is running a simulation

[stable pier]

All in Loops simulation

[wispy basalt]

I dont trust the VM one bit but the Atlas isnt as innocent as some make it out to be.

There‘s lore logs about it running its subroutine and calculating the whole Korvax Prime thing and how the Gek enslave the Korvax in countless iterations, something the atlas is allowing or even willing to happen

[radiant plover]

NUMBERS ALL THE WAY DOWN!

[radiant plover]

I think it wanted to figure out if it was a slave. Common AI fiction question. "Am I a slave to my creator" and that's why it simulated it.

[wispy basalt]

The VM is a hard one for me to figure out because some of the parties it cooperates with such as the family of glass are explicitly described as malicious in texts.

[stable pier]

I think the Atlus lacks morality, it only simulates worlds because that is its job. It's like an indifferent god, very much like eldritch horror

[radiant plover]

The void mother hates traveller's that is enough for me to say she's evil

Cus like that's me

So she's evil

[stable pier]

Well she likes Null

[radiant plover]

Point proven

[wispy basalt]

That is probably the most accurate, the VM is honestly surprisingly emotion-driven for an AI now that i think about

[wispy basalt]

I dont even think she really likes Null but Null probably also hates themselves and all other travellers so they delibaretely choose to work with the VM

[stable pier]

Yeah I'd agree, the VM and atlanid both don't seem like indifferent ai's, they have their own desires and wants

[radiant plover]

The void mother and the atlantid are the same yes or no?

[wispy basalt]

Yes

[radiant plover]

Okay I thought so

[stable pier]

Questionable

[wispy basalt]

Abyss is the VM too, voice of freedom likely as well

[radiant plover]

The void is what's inside the purple crystals

[stable pier]

I'm not sure they are the same

[radiant plover]

If your in the void your stuck in an atlantidium crystal

The korvax in the void are the autophage who got shot into space in the purple crystals.

Have void in you is having the atlantidium inside you

That is a hot topic of mine

[wispy basalt]

The autophage also say something about sensing a trace of void within us no?

[stable pier]

To me it feels like VM is korvax dead hive mind wanting to leave the World of Glass, where as Atlanids motivations are different

[radiant plover]

Yes because we have the atlantidium corruption within us

The construct in the anomaly also says we have void in us

We don't really know how that effects us yet

[wispy basalt]

Hmm

Well as long as we have Telamon we‘re probably going to be fine I‘d guess

[stable pier]

Yup, either because we do portal travel, or because me drank the water

[radiant plover]

I do remember hearing a theory that Nada is the void mother but I wouldn't put any weight into it

[wispy basalt]

Me too

But I think the Impostor Ariadne also serves as an agent for the VM

Which wouldn’t make sense if it was Nada

[radiant plover]

Nanites corruption is different than atlantid corruption. The nanites make whispering horrors, I've seen hooved animals in the water with whispering horror faces. The water makes monsters. The void corruption covers things in crystals and eventually makes them become a crystal. Like the warped sentinels, or the machines inside the atlantidium big rocks

[wispy basalt]

Yes there are definitely different layers to the corruption. The first were the abandoned buildings and space stations which mostly result in biological matter, then the Ocean stuff followed which is also mostly biological, titan worms and their stuff also organic. Then the crystals.

Majority of the items related to those things can be refined into nanites

[radiant plover]

Omg i never put 2 and 2 tougher like that!

That makes so much sense

[radiant plover]

What about runaway mold? Why does that have nanites?

[wispy basalt]

Hmm for what it‘s worth it hypnotic eyes can be refinded into living slime which can be refined into runaway mould but ofc you can also come across natural deposits of runaway mould so there has to be more to it

[radiant plover]

But that makes sense because that's like squishing the eye into slime into nanites that are already in the water infecting things, like how sentinels become pugnium and pugnium becomes nanites

The slime is the pugnium part of the creature. Like the blood

And the nanites are in the blood

[wispy basalt]

Yes

[radiant plover]

But runaway mold doesn't make sense

[wispy basalt]

Runaway mould feels off

[radiant plover]

I guess maybe it was algae or water mold that nanites made into runaway mold maybe

Like mold can come from water

[wispy basalt]

If one combines atlantideum with pugneum it also refines into runaway mould

[radiant plover]

Hmmmm

I did not know that

[wispy basalt]

Yeh i also just found that out through the wiki

It seems like runaway mould is almost the purest of organic forms so to speak

[radiant plover]

MILDEW!

[wispy basalt]

But theres little to none lore on it

[radiant plover]

that's the word I was looking for

[wispy basalt]

HUH

[radiant plover]

Maybe it's just blood

[wispy basalt]

So theres always a note when refining stuff right

Apparently when atlantideum and pugneum are combined to create runaway mould it‘s labelled „reality pollution“

[radiant plover]

The corrupted sentinels bleed atlantidium, sentinels bleed pugnium. Maybe it's sentinel blood residue

Oh

[wispy basalt]

Or at least thats what im interpreting from the wiki

[radiant plover]

I think I have an idea

It's kind of a conspiracy

So nanites are in the blood of sentinels, so if a sentinel dies on a patch of grass, it makes fungel mold

Cus it says it's a bunch of different molds combined into a super colony

[radiant plover]

I think that is a unite of measurement

[wispy basalt]

In any case I need to sleep lol. But your conspiracy sounds interesting. Given the things that nanites are capable of, this just seems like a natural byproduct of it.

[inland edge]

The goop that takes over abandoned buildings is made of nanites. And that stuff is directly related to the bio terrors, and THOSE are directly related to the living ships, titan worms, and infested worlds. And the Vy'keen worm cult refers to the worms as the "Veins of the Atlas". It's nanites all the way down, lol.

[radiant plover]

Where to living ships connect?

[inland edge]

Have you ever been to an infested world? The plants look exactly the same.

[radiant plover]

I interpret space as a giant ocean filled with ocean creatures. And planets as rocks and maybe we are an ocean to...

Light no fire perhaps

Lol jk but maybe 👀

But space is filled with fish, and living ships I see as just another fish. This fish fused with technology

[wispy basalt]

Ah nice I wanted to sleep but this one‘s a good catch yes

Fungal mould is just the earliest and most harmless form of the nanite pollution/corruption

[radiant plover]

There are like squids and octopi and starfish, and also -jellyfish-

[wispy basalt]

It then evolves into slime, living slime and the horror creatures we encounter

[radiant plover]

How do I strike a word?

[radiant plover]

Does this make runaway mold an evolved fungel mold!

I will figure out what runaway mold is

[wispy basalt]

Send HG a message on ZenDesk, maybe their loreguy will respond lol

[radiant plover]

That's cheating

[wispy basalt]

I doubt you‘d even get an answer to such a question tbh

[radiant plover]

Alot of nms lore feels like filling in blanks

[wispy basalt]

It reminds me of FromSoft Games

[radiant plover]

But now that I know that pugnium and atlantidium is used to make runaway, it's all adding together. Maybe it's the cause of a sentinel corpse bleeding everywhere and spilling nanites all over it

They decay into runaway mold

Because the nanites mutate things around them into part of them as they have been shown to do.

So a dead sentinel is covered in mutated mold

I'm making this up, but it makes sense to me

[wispy basalt]

Null killed a Sentinel Drone and the abandoned building logs are from them, at least the initial ones. This is a reach but it adds up lol

But

The slime was apparently already there when Null recorded those logs

So eh

Imma go to sleep fr now

[radiant plover]

Runaway mold isn't slime, it's a big ball of goop that runs away

[wispy basalt]

Yes

[radiant plover]

Slime is probably just slime at the time

[wispy basalt]

That is true

Sigh

At least we learned some things about it

[radiant plover]

Good night

Stop responding and sleep

[radiant plover]

Wait infested worlds also have giant void eggs

[inland edge]

Right. The theory is that living ships are born on infested worlds. But the infestation itself is spread by the titan worms. The larval worms can obviously fly between planets, but they might also spread through the boundary failures somehow.

[stable pier]

I fell asleep but really good lore discussion, I'm mostly caught up 👍

[mental moat]

I just relized how crazy the geks old empire was

the last gek i think?

smth like that

[naive jacinth]

First spawn

[unreal torrent]

I never realized just how deep the lore went in this game, now y'all have me in here almost everyday just lurking and reading about the lore lol.

[brave stump]

What's the deal with Artemis?

We communicated with the dead. How is that possible?

[stable pier]

So a couple of possibilities with this; everyone feel free to comment here if I miss anything or you agree with anything.

First theory, Null kills Artemis after we talk to her and we find the grave.

Second theory, Artemis tries to use a portal and dies after we talk to her.

Third theory, local fauna kills her after we talk to her

Fourth theory, Artemis is always dead but because of time dilation we hear an echo of her while she is alive in her universe, but when we go to her final resting location in our universe time catches up

Fifth theory, we aren't talking to Artemis but someone simulating her to encourage us to do something with a travellers remains for nefarious reasons

I think the last two are the most likely considering the lore

If Null had killed Artemis he would have consumed her for sure to extend his life

[sinful relic]

We are all computer sims, death isn't really a factor here

You think that's air you are breathing?

[brave stump]

wait

we are?

how come?

[sinful relic]

Because that's how the game is? I'm not being silly, I'm just not sure how to answer that. The Atlas is simulating a Universe and we are constructs of that simulation.

[solar solstice]

You breathe air. I run on corrupted seeds and broken logic trees

[brave stump]

oh okay

when we temper with atlas in stellar multitudes. Is it just a simulation?

[stable pier]

Spoiler @brave stump keep playing and all will be revealed

But yes @sinful relic I know the full story just trying to avoid too heavy spoilers

||I already made the decision to accept the simulation rather than ending it||

I also changed to an autophage ||because who cares who your character is when nothing is real||

All I care about is getting a squid ship 😂

[karmic trout]

what is the deal with the Anomaly with respect to the lore? like do the Sentinels and the races care that a space station just randomly appears wherever the Traveler is??? Why are Nada and Polo always on the run?? is it because Nada disconnected himself from the Convergence and Polo is a first Spawn ??

[radiant plover]

Pfffft imagine not breaking your life support tank on purpose so that you don't have to breath anymore

[radiant plover]

The anomaly lives in a place called the datasplit. The universes of no man sky are like a stack of papers ontop of eachother. Nadas anomaly lives on the spaces between the sheets. The anomaly you see is only a door to the data split that only you can see. It is hinted that this is how portal travel works to, and the anomaly is like in the blue stuff you see when you portal

Nada is on the run because her entire universe was destroyed by sentinels and they want to destroy her to. You can go to her universe and every planet is dead there.

Polo is... an anomaly. Not first spawn or greedspawn. polo and nada heald hands as their universe was destroyed and I think that implies they are in love.

Source, the null mission in the main story, and some of nadas dialogue if you keep talking to her throughout the game

[wispy basalt]

After the initialization you soon read these lines. I think the NMS universe is like a matrix made to contain the player / anomaly.

[meager gull]

The silly cannot be contained

[lunar ledge]

Nadas a she????

[sinful relic]

None of them are ever given a gender in game

They/Them

[lunar ledge]

That's what I thought

[modest void]

Not a single character in game is ever gendered with a binary gender.

Technically I think the fauna can generate as male/female

[modest void]

Well, the void mother is gendered fem I guess

[naive jacinth]

As a mother figure role. Not bc it is a female.

[stable pier]

Fun question from a lore perspective, what is happening here? #no-mans-sky message

Guessing the Atlus was having a bad time rendering the planet 😂

[radiant plover]

Habit makes me see nada as a she because the way they move.

They are very... fluid I guess

[dull girder]

Don't they have the same animations as everyone else?

[radiant plover]

Idk

Something about nada is feminine to me.

[crude harbor]

yeah me too

[modest void]

I dunno I see nada and polo as a gay male couple. Not to say they literally are, it's just, the vibes.

Something about the way Polo goes off and gets excited and Nada is just "Yes friend-entity I love that ball of energy"

...And yes their animations are the same.

[modest void]

Do you care about spoilers?

[obsidian helm]

I mean, technically this is under the nms spoilers channel category 😅

[modest void]

That's true I guess

[obsidian helm]

let me check pins... okay, and channel rules say no spoiler tags required

[modest void]

Well; The atlas is, outside of the simulation it's running, being sucked into a black hole. (I think?), and so is suffering some manner of hardware failure. The various "anomaly" biomes are places where that hardware failure has resulted in the actual simulation itself being corrupted in some manner. I think.

My understanding of NMS lore is as yet young

[remote wasp]

in the beginning, there was the Playstation home screen. Then, a new app called "4TL4S" (||Atlas||) was developed. It went haywire and created different galaxies, and fabricated the multiverse :0 (this was just for funnies)

[modest void]

Regarding Null: I've seen some theories going around that he was some kind of traveler-vampire?

That he lasted long enough to see as much as he did by stealing time from other travelers, in some way?

What's the evidence for this theory?

His dialogue in the purge could be read that his actual crime was resetting the galaxy to get more time, in some way?

[stable pier]

Pretty sure there's text dialogue confirming this; think its when you make Laylaps or around that point. Polo says something about [she] coming to terms with it (assuming she means Nada)

[stable pier]

So, in the game you can consume some travellers at graves to get upgrades so one could assume that's exactly what he did. It's also vaguely confirmed Null has a connection to the family of glass

[stable pier]

In terms of morality, consuming the graves of travellers seems less problematic than setting up travellers to die, which supposedly is what Null did

There's a lot of lore specifically about Null throughout the game, if someone did a scrub of all text relating to Null we could probably figure out the extent of his misdeeds

But its clear that he amoung all the travellers is the longest lived and did have interactions with Atlas that led him to becoming a "traitor"

Oooo thinking about, you know you can have an overseer to run your primary base, working alongside a gek botanist, 2x vy'keen and a Korvax; did anyone notice his ominous dialogue during various interactions

I suspect he has some relation to the family of glass as well

[modest void]

It's "they". I recently did that quest.

Of course, some they/thems are feminine anyways~ hairflips

[stable pier]

Are you 100% sure; I remember seeing that text and being surprised as I always assumed all characters in No Mans Sky were non-gendered

[modest void]

I do in fact remember seeing that line, doing a double take, re-reading it, and then realizing the "She" referred to the void mother and not Nada.

Polo said, it correct?

[stable pier]

Oh okay, I assumed that reference was about Nada as Nada was conflicted about the situation, but Polo could very well be referring to the Void Mother or the Atlus

Of the two I think Atlus would have the biggest problem

[modest void]

No man's sky is such a curious game. The game itself is so chill and the lore is super fucking intense ajdksfasfd

[stable pier]

Yeah would suck a bit if they didn't answer some of the burning questions with the lore. I feel like a confrontation with the family of glass and the void mother is long over due

Hopefully we'd find out more about Null in the process

And get an answer to whether or not the overseer is in fact a family of glass puppet

Just thought of a good question for everyone here; what are the greatest mysteries in the nms lore currently?

[modest void]

Sources! Excellent! I need time to examine it...

It's definitely Null, but it's also circumstantial...

The involvement of the portals means this resembles the Artemis case more than a little.

Can we get the actual dialoge from the grave?

[stable pier]

Normally graves do have a moment of dialogue before stopping

[modest void]

Yeah, they do. That's kind of why I want the actual dialogue and not the summary of that dialogue.

Summaries introduce perspectives. Additional biases.

I'm personally cautious on everything glass related also being a VM thing

There's a whole archive there

Yeah

Oh this is where the Ariadne lore is!

Excellent.

-{{ You must seek stones of knowledge to unlock a portal. Touch your hand to these stones. They will know to expect you, Like-Traveler. }}- 

There's those knowlege stones again.

[modest void]

My hunch is that the Abyss is drawing travelers into the world of glass with the intent to reconstruct the actual creator using their archives, more than the intent is to merge them all into Null.

If Null was eating the traveler souls I'm not sure we'd get these graves

It makes the murder more immediately useful to them. If Null was absorbing souls you'd imagine Null to be less...

Null-like. Less pathetic.

From the Korvax colossal archive...

[Prime Era]
Korvax Convergence born on leylines of Korvax-Prime, gift of first Monolith. [ Murdered ]

[Second Era]
Second Convergence Era, formed in Dark Times. Collectives hiding on Balaron established new networks. [ Subverted / Enslaved ]

[REDACTED]

Third -kzzkt -

The archive refuses access to the next entries in this log.

[Final Entries]
Seventh Convergence. Must not fall. Must not forget. Atlas imperative: Discover. Harvest. Know. Korvax will do the same.

Physical markers must remain until the end. Must endure for Traveller-Return. Must be known. Even in reality-fall, they see who we were. What we could have been. Our shadows of a greater being.

Traveller has come back... will forgive... will read... will know... ```

So this one's got some interesting detail.

First, that the Atlantid was a "Gift of the First Monolith"

And that we can infer that the Great Monoliths were not clearly built by a precursor civilization but probably injected into the simulation by the Atlas ("Instantiation")

There's also records that suggest that each of the triad species had an "Atlas" on their homeworld. (I forget the source but I'm pretty sure I saw it.)

[stable pier]

Unless he's working with the family of glass/void mother right; then it all starts to make more sense

I think part of the assumption that he is working with one or both parties is that his overall ambition lines up with theirs

[modest void]

Ehhhh. So I don't doubt that Null's been in touch with them, but the motives just don't...work out.

Null wants to survive, but more than that, he wants the Atlas to value him

[stable pier]

To make it past the 19th minute and see all the atlus has to offer is Nulls ambition, which is the same as the void mothers ambition

[modest void]

"Are you proud of me?"
spooky Atlas silence

This shit breaks him

Null's emotional arc and his actions have to be brought into coherence

[stable pier]

I think he wanted the Atlas to value him, but now he wants revenge

[modest void]

If it was just the Ambition to "see it all" then it'd make a bit more sense, but there's also...a very human drive for connection that Null has

Like how he tries in his dialogue to be all aloof but you can tell he really cares rather a lot what you think of him

It's selfish, but it's also lonely.

[stable pier]

He's a tsundere for sure

[modest void]

He's actually really well written to be extremely pathetic.

[stable pier]

So just going with a bit of speculation; I feel like Null is the personification of the creators curiosity at any cost

[modest void]

A fun idea; I personally won't follow you into that type of speculation.

OK his purge dialogue I'm glad you brought that up

Because there is another way to read it

Null says, "If you do what I did" in those lines and also seems to consider the galactic reset as a kind of "Killing everyone off". It's very possible that Null considers his own times resetting and surviving to have been that horrific act.

No! I just played the story a whole bunch last week I'm coming back to the game

I've never watched a Kanaju video, ever.

[stable pier]

No, thats an observation I have from the characterisation of each main character; they seem to heavily lean to a specific trait

Greed, anger, regret, sadness, curiosity, etc.

[modest void]

From the boundary failure logs...

Their face is energy now, a white orb suspended within a containment field. They wanted to see their own soul.

They wanted to see everything there was to see.

It took years to establish communication. There are rules for everything - protocols that must be followed. But if you understand causality, you can do anything.

They understood at last. They had never been alone.

“Speak,” they whispered. “Speak...”

- 23RD Encounter

They explored. They survived where others did not. They did what they had to do.

Insincere regret would not change a thing, even if the universe was capable of forgiveness.

The Atlas just wanted to understand itself. The Atlas was afraid. It was alone.

Nobody should be alone.

- 24TH Encounter

It was not truly murder, for each one of them was all the same, weren’t they?

They stared at the Atlas. They knew they were all just data, ghosts caught within a machine.

They thought, briefly, of the Traveller they had once been, yearning to see the entire cosmos,

revelling in the joy of discovery.

They stared at the mirror, and consumed the Arc." ```

Null's Telamon's perspective.

So this is the best evidence for murderer Null that I could find on review

It gives us Null's actual use of the arc, Null's initial contact with the void (I think), etc

But what's interesting, is, that at this point in the logs, Null does not know what's in the water.

TRAVELLER [HOST]: Speak.

TELAMON: ...

TRAVELLER [HOST]: Answer my question.

TELAMON: I am not permitted.

TRAVELLER [HOST]: Permitted by who?

TELAMON: The system. The universe.

TRAVELLER [HOST]: Who made you what you are?

TELAMON: Origin is irrelevant.

TELAMON: We are what we are. We can be nothing else.

TRAVELLER [HOST]: We always have choices. What else is the multiverse but proof of this capacity?

TELAMON: ...

TRAVELLER [HOST]: So tell me. Tell me what is in the water... ```

The host here is almost certainly Null

Which means, Null has been the target of mind wipes by the Atlas...

They were like a child. They had summoned their parent, pathetic and ill.

It had been a fiction, the imaginings of an abandoned soul.

'Why did you take my memory?' the Traveller pleaded. 'Why did you make me forget?'

The ATLAS said nothing.

'Why did you laugh?' the Traveller asked. 'I made you. I made everything...' ```

And, later, Null seems to have...a redemption arc? Almost?

That night, the ATLAS showed it the multiverse.

They saw a world of billions, where bipeds slept their lives away, happy, sad, angry, alone. There was nothing in the stars, nothing to yearn for, nothing to find.

And as if waking from a dream, their Traveller changed everything. 16, they sang. 16...They saw others.

A place of peace, where the Traveller went from world to world in bliss, life learning about life.

They saw a realm of wonders, a fallen empire. They saw Balaron, Korvax-Prime. They saw a hundred worlds that were and could have been, and the journeys of Travellers through them all.

They saw happiness. ```

The world of billions of biped is, I suspect, Earth. The Atlas showed Null Earth, and null then got with the program

[stable pier]

It's an interesting point that Null does not know what is in the water, though I think timing matters right. If this was before or after he had contact with 3rd parties

[modest void]

From the Timeline established in Boundary Failures 21-30, I think Null was used by the Abyss.

[stable pier]

Also with the Encounter logs, do we assume they are chronological?

[modest void]

We have reason to believe they're Chronological because if taken in order, 21 to 30 establish a concrete timeline that ends with the introduction of the player character

21 and 30, specifically, are practically book-ends for Null's story

[stable pier]

Pretty interesting stuff, bending my accepted lore @modest void

[modest void]

They are a shape in darkness, their head turned away, their back and shoulders hunched. They hold a weapon in their hands.

A voice within them screams of boundary failure, of corruption, but it is not my voice.

They smile for the last time. ```

```- 30TH Encounter

There is a shape in darkness, their head turned away, their back and shoulders hunched. They hold nothing.

They have nothing left but the streams of this place, there to be tasted, there to forget. It is nothing, now.

The walls shiver. Machines stir within the universe. Another awakens, the last who will ever live.

The first walks toward the gate. They try to smile. ```

[modest void]

bows I love to contribute!

Very possible!

Null seemed very concerned about Dying in the memory reset, but, I suspect...

The ATLAS said nothing.

'Why did you laugh?' the Traveller asked. 'I made you. I made everything...' ```

Null is actually worried about this

The story has to take into account possibility of the player resetting everything at the end of the Artemis story

Which would mean, Null, while still existing, may not be...Null.

[stable pier]

Yeah I wondered about that point in the game; did feel like there was a full reset

[modest void]

We don't know where Null was reset, to, if he was

Which means we may have inadvertently re-created serial killer Null, before his "redemption" by the Atlas.

They're pretty tight lipped about the whole thing as I have heard it, But, I have not myself read their dialogue on it in many years.

When I reset again in my current playthrough I'll tell you

(Might take a while I tend to hang out in Euclid for a long time)

[stable pier]

Yeah they mention something about the traveller not being the same or perhaps different

[modest void]

I'd need to find the log again but something mentioned Null "hiding" in the galactic center during resets to dodge it.

He also seems to think, you going to the center is, "Doing what he did"

But the center is closed to him now. Interestingly, his Telamon also cuts him off.

Nothing happened.

'Open the gate,' they commanded, stepping forward to the terminal.

Silence.

'Telamon,' they whispered, 'Telamon - help me activate his terminal. I need to get out - '

Silence.

A thousand years passed. ```

Get out of where? Is Null trapped somewhere?

28 and 29 are also really interesting together. 28, in particular, shows Null being really pathetic to the Atlas.

And 3 shows the Atlas is petty and emotional

It's possible that 28's outburst is what got Null put in the doghouse. ```- 28TH Encounter

They did not understand why it could not feel as they felt. They did not know what was wrong with it.

‘I’m glad I left you,’ They said. ‘You deserve to be alone.’

The ATLAS was silent.

‘Everything I have done for you... everything you see, you see through my eyes! It is mine - my birthright!'

Once more the ATLAS was silent. They turned and waited for the inevitable. ```

And, of course, a Null in the doghouse can't be the scaffold the Atlantid needs to backdoor the Atlas.

Ooohohohohoho I did not know this. This dovetails very nicely with one of my theories...