nms-multitools

[feral heath]

Can't just link it, oh well.

nevermind, figured it out!

[obtuse bane]

Indeed funny because they would probably be discarded 😝

[nocturne flume]

I can confirm that in staves, you can go back to the same terminal if you use the Polyphonic core.

[supple stump]

Wtf is this?

I missed staves?! You can have staves now?!

[proven bronze]

Yep

Gotta do the Autophage questline though

[supple stump]

New main questline?

[proven bronze]

which will also unlock the Autophage race in the appearance modifier

[proven bronze]

side questline

[supple stump]

Damn I've missed alot

[proven bronze]

happens

[supple stump]

Time to pull out the old clunker ship ig 🙂

[proven bronze]

aye

[lethal lily]

Yup ! They're an absolute grind but so cool

The natural S classes also have the highest base dmg in the game, with that one I was able to get 33.5k dmg potential with scatter blaster 😂

[amber pawn]

@lethal lily Theyre tied with Sentinel mts for max dmg

[lethal lily]

Oh yeah that too 😅

Staffs look way cooler though

[tepid summit]

Yooo nice!

[lethal lily]

Ikr !

Took so long to find... 😅

[tepid summit]

This is mine, I'm the type of guy to heavily prioritize my "character aesthetic" so I spent AGES looking for the perfect color scheme and after being tragically backstabbed by several perfect color schemes that were only C class, I finally found a natural A class that fit very very well and upgraded it to S myself, I think it looks pretty sick :>

And also matching interceptor that also took ages lol

[lethal lily]

Im into the aesthetic as well

I really wanted a fiery staff

To go with my simple white autophage

But it had to be perfect yk 😂

I still need to get a matching interceptor

Pure whites seem hard to come by though

[tepid summit]

XDD yeah, but the hours of searching pay off when you finally find the perfect fit with good stats too

[lethal lily]

Yeah

I wish I had my reaction on recording!

It was so funny

I put the head in and then immediately closed out because that's the habit I was in, I was like, oh shit that was an S class

[tepid summit]

XDDD the double take is so relatable

[lethal lily]

I take a look at it and I'm like oh my gosh that is a nice head color

And then I see the SCs and I'm like "OH MON DIEU CEST PARFAIT !!!"

It was so loud

[tepid summit]

XDD yeah

hang on brb

[lethal lily]

My mom was like oh you finally found it did you ? 😂

Now do your homework

[tepid summit]

I think I was in a call with a friend who was new to NMS when I found my staff and I like freaked out and they were just like 😀👍

They know not the pain I went through lol

Also the search for the interceptor was similar but different in some ways
Nice thing about Interceptors is each planet has the same design for all the crashes, so once you find a planet with a design you like you just have to search that planet while hoping you find a good class
Thankfully I had a good bit of echo locators saved up so I could find a lot of crashes and again I found a natural A-class and just upgraded it myself

So now I realize between that and the staff I've spent 100k nanites on just these 2 xD

[lethal lily]

Yeah staffs are probably one of the most painful to grind

I had my pilgrim set on hotkey and got super efficient at scanning

[tepid summit]

But dude when I first laid my eyes on that ship and it was the PERFECT color scheme along with my absolute favorite wing design AND it didn't have the clunky tank feet things my brain was just like :O

[lethal lily]

But sometimes you have to take a ship which is the most annoying part

I think I used 6k altentidium worth of scan material 🤣🤣

[tepid summit]

Yeah my ship only used like 8% thruster fuel and auto charger when taking off so thankfully I could just hop from site to site without having to worry that much XD

[tepid summit]

Samee I used so much of that stuff

[lethal lily]

I got mine down to 6% 😆

[tepid summit]

Yeah I think my current one only uses like 6% or 4% or smth- actually wait it might still be 6% even after adding yet another upgrade to it so I'm not convinced it can go any lower xD

I haven't had to refuel that thing in like- actually ever now that I think about it

[lethal lily]

I still have space for one more S class

So I'm hoping to get it down to 4

[tepid summit]

gl!

Also getting that staff definitely paid off not even just cuz of the looks
I decided to try out a Neutron cannon on it and after a couple upgrades I can one-shot most sentinel drones so that's fun

[lethal lily]

I have scatter on it atm

But idk what the best weapon is

I have 33.5k potential damage but I imagine I can get it much better

[tepid summit]

I'm not sure if there's really a best weapon tbh, seems to just be mainly playstyle/what upgrades you can get to make it good
Some people say it's neutron cannon though, but since I've only tried that, boltcaster, and blaze javelin and none of the others were maxed I really dunno XD

[lethal lily]

I've tried the neutron cannon but it just didn't do any damage I feel

I probably just need more upgrades

[tepid summit]

Yeah it wasn't great until I got like at least 2 good modules for it
It's also only that good short range cuz it kinda has a shotgun-like bullet pattern so you gotta make sure all those little spheres actually hit the target

[lethal lily]

I really like the scatter because I can just rack on like 12k in one burst

[tepid summit]

Oh nice!
I haven't used that one but maybe I should try it out sometime

[lethal lily]

But it's completely useless against anything else but mechs

And if you're really close to drones

so I might use bolt caster as secondary

[tepid summit]

Yeah boltcaster seems pretty reliable, I used it pretty much as my only weapon till I switched to neutron and it was pretty effective

I tried using blaze javelin for a bit which seemed really cool but I didn't really have any great upgrades so it was kinda mid :(

also probably gtg for a bit but it was a fun talk!

[lethal lily]

Yeah blaze javelin is just mid

Too much reload for the damage output

Yeah it was fun !

[eternal flame]

incinerator is #1 imo

[supple stump]

I finally get to be a thpathe withard!

[eternal flame]

what

[amber pawn]

@eternal flame Only insofar as first is the worst, lol - the Incinerator is quite literally the weakest weapon in the game, on a list that includes melee and accidental collisions with Trade Rocket. XD

[eternal flame]

yeah but arson

[amber pawn]

It doesnt set anything on fire - but Pulse Spitter and Plasma do

[eternal flame]

yeah but it looks like arson

basically it looks cool to use so I like it

even if it's virtually worthless

[pulsar charm]

Me too

[native comet]

I like it for sniping Dissonance resonators

And for culling.

For the resonators, its nice to hit their aerials twice from a thousand units away

And for culling missions, I aim for the head, and 99% of creatures die instantly.

Feels more humane

[novel galleon]

What do yall think of the geology cannon?

[mint wing]

The suicide cannon 😄

[amber pawn]

@deep matrix You can break the Mining Beam to remove it from toggle cycle, but only using Normal or higher difficulty settings for crafting - free crafting results in broken tech being auto-repaired each time you lpad into session.

[foggy trout]

EISSENTAM
(-24.58, +117.23)

natural S-Class, near perfect damage bonus (49.96), and perfect sc slot layout for SM boltcaster setup

[spiral rover]

this shit gonna hit very hard

big thanks, i'll grab this

[spiral rover]

are you committing war crime on sentinels

[foggy trout]

(i renamed it glock 19 lmaoooo)

[foggy trout]

you best believe i went to a dissonant planet and just mowed down the place

the only limitation is the ammo but the reload is near instant anyways

[frail musk]

hmm time to make godly staff of destruction

[proven bronze]

mess with the traveller, get the GLOCK

[grave venture]

Try swapping that for neutron cannon

[frail musk]

117k needs tuning

[hot sentinel]

Is this with modding, or is this really possible?

[frail musk]

real

i dont use mods

[novel galleon]

It's a natty staff

[hot sentinel]

Been playing for a while, but I still need to learn a lot. And here I am proud of my measly 14k dmg rifle...

[frail musk]

🙂

[grave venture]

@dense mulch Show yours

[hot sentinel]

BTW Is this only possible with a staff

[grave venture]

Sentinel MT too

They have highest possible base dmg

[frail musk]

4 super square

[grave venture]

Was it natural S?

[hot sentinel]

Any points of reference besides modules shown in picture?

Oh, a staff with 4 supercharged slots close by in a square, I guess?

[frail musk]

b upgraded 75k nanites

[grave venture]

Ok

For max dmg potential staff you want:
Natural S class staff in regulated systems
4 supercharged slots close enough to each other they can all get adjacency bonus
Best possible neutron cannon upgrades

For max dmg potential Sentinel MT:
Max dmg S class (unsure if it has to be natural S
4 supercharged slots close
Best possible neutron upgrades

May be more but afaik that’s it

[frail musk]

yutube best staff location ill post tomorrow if still chasing it

need sleep o7

[dense mulch]

Highest or maybe second highest. Gotta find another with square SC

Maybe if I get lucky I can break 190k

[lofty scaffold]

you need this setup for 190k+ with square you'll probably get less then what you got now

[dense mulch]

Why this setup?

[lofty scaffold]

i could ask you why square but i wont 😛

throught testing this one came out the best so far

[dense mulch]

Adjacency bonus reasons.

[dense mulch]

Hmm! I see what's going on here.

What is the base damage of this tool, and what bonus did you add to it in save editor?

[lofty scaffold]

i never touched the save editor, base is 483.3

[dense mulch]

Ooh! Interesting.

[lofty scaffold]

sadly no staff was found with this setup so far

cuz its an unpopular setup lol, everyone is looking fo square 🙂

so might have been ignored

[dense mulch]

Yup, I've searched a lot of but none of them had anything substantial

[lofty scaffold]

i wasn't lucky either, i found terminals with 2 S staves, but none with a nice SC setup 😄

[dense mulch]

For any other weapon square is the best because of adjacency but for neutron cannon it's actually the second blueprint that provides most advantage than the main weapon blueprint.

This setup still works because all of the upgrade modules are touching the main weapon, hence the adjacency boost, on top of added adjacency that two of the three modules have alongside the second technology blueprint at the top side.

[lofty scaffold]

afik for boltcaster L is the best, or "| ." if you have the preorder module

[dense mulch]

Boltcaster has more that normal modules to boost the stats

!faq-multitoollayout

[chilly hill]

to view, enable Link Preview

<:NmsAtlas:972222451801010207> Synergy Layout for Multitool Tech

See image below »

Contributor: DHarhanWulf#3455

[dense mulch]

(Primary adjacency + secondary adjacency) x Supercharged slots.

That's the basic idea being any type of build

[foggy trout]

It gets >172k on neutron lmao

I have a staff that gets >175k tho

[dense mulch]

Neutron cannon is broken

[foggy trout]

The numbers are a bit inflated lmao

Doesn’t make it a bad weapon, but it’s not like the other weapons don’t compete

[dense mulch]

Yup

It's not inflated though, HG messed up🤣

[foggy trout]

It’s still my favorite weapon to use on a staff because I feel like a space techno mage

[dense mulch]

We don't need that much DP at all

[lofty scaffold]

this chart is a bit outdated, been talking with Earl about it and he's lazy and i'm lazy lol, its missing the new mining tech from atlantid and sentinel and the polyphonic core+scan harmoniser for scanner

[dense mulch]

Yup! I know xD

[foggy trout]

Weapon tech is mostly good tho

[dense mulch]

Both of you ladies get on to it. Lol!

Lazies *

Fuck!

[lofty scaffold]

mistakes been made 😄

[dense mulch]

Hahahaha.

[foggy trout]

Wait, isn’t neutron better to have the 3 procedurals surrounding the base weapon and then the p field in the corner?

[foggy trout]

Like dis

[dense mulch]

Yes

[foggy trout]

Thought so

[lofty scaffold]

i posted the SCs a bit up of that

[foggy trout]

Yeah I saw

(Mind if I have the glyphs to that weapon)?

[lofty scaffold]

its sentinel not staff

[foggy trout]

I’m aware

[lofty scaffold]

its posted by me a lot of scrolls above, think its faster for me to find the image on my PC 😄

not my find

Euclid, think i left a yellow marker on the spot

[nocturne flume]

can vouch for this one 🤭 got 195k

[lofty scaffold]

can you show the X mods you use here, and if its not too much could you do a setup without the SM mod, i'm curious how much difference does it make since i don't have it

[lofty scaffold]

screen or never happened 😛

[nocturne flume]

is this a natural S class staff with 483?

[dense mulch]

Yep

[nocturne flume]

Still know where you got it?

[dense mulch]

Nope, been a while I've logged in the game too.

[nocturne flume]

🤭

[dense mulch]

I'll trace it back, soon.

[nocturne flume]

Ayt ayt. Looking forward to test it out.

[lofty scaffold]

you got the 15% damage modules or?

[dense mulch]

That is certainly a 15% module, 14% module won't break 190k

[lofty scaffold]

save editor or?

[nocturne flume]

Yea but I used the ion sphere speed 12%

[dense mulch]

Nat 15%... how many seeds are there for that?

[nocturne flume]

nope just a custom game coz i just changed my inv not to get lost because of a bug before and don't want to ruin my game again

[lofty scaffold]

i haven't got a 15% yet though normal means

i'm using these

[nocturne flume]

my highest on staves

[dense mulch]

Yup! The three S surrounding base weapon is the way to go

[nocturne flume]

oh wait ill send the not sc

[lofty scaffold]

was about to say lol

[nocturne flume]

we have the same name

[lofty scaffold]

yeh

i have 2 like this and one with 11% sphere speed

prob you have all 3 like that?

[nocturne flume]

yea and im on the hunt with these

[lofty scaffold]

i'm just keeping my staff for the looks and to unpack modules on it 😄

[nocturne flume]

yea and took me awhile to get them all

[dense mulch]

The left one would serve better, on paper.

[nocturne flume]

Yea as @lofty scaffold suggested. Idk i just wonder if I arranged the neutron cannon on the right one arrangement, it gives a greater damage potential

so I just want to see it

when in sc

[dense mulch]

You can always force SC arrangements via save editor.

If you're just testing stuff

[nocturne flume]

🥴 I dont use it so haha just grinding my way

[dense mulch]

Lol

[lofty scaffold]

yeh, i pledged on staying 100% vanilla too

[dense mulch]

Vanilla is nice. 🤣

[lofty scaffold]

drifting 😄

[nocturne flume]

Oh I also have the 11% sphere speed and what really gives higher damage pot are the all 12% ss

[vagrant linden]

In multitool layout is the boltcaster just used as an example or because it is the best weapon?

[foggy trout]

i dont like doing that lmao

[dense mulch]

For experiments 😄

[foggy trout]

yeah but i like to see whats possible vanilla

[foggy trout]

here, and i believe the setup w/o sm is an L for supercharged and follows the mutlitool synergy sheet

[lofty scaffold]

was curious cuz i'm using L without SM

and i'm using the same type of modules it seems, i guess the SM module really makes a big difference

[foggy trout]

not sure if youd get higher by swapping ioniser and ricochet

try it

[lofty scaffold]

no change

[foggy trout]

well, firstly, the modules i have are save edited 🤫

as in theyre the best possible

theyre not like beyond vanilla

or anything

(this is my creative world lel)

[lofty scaffold]

i got these

[foggy trout]

those are pretty good

forget what i said sm is that good

[lofty scaffold]

haha, there's the confirmation i was looking for lol

[foggy trout]

thats crazy

i mean i guess multiplicatives matter

[lofty scaffold]

yeh like 15k damage boost

well, it doesn't mind me that i don't have it now, i just thought i was using the wrong modules or something before

[foggy trout]

the multitool im using feels like it was explicitly made for sm boltcaster tbh

[lofty scaffold]

eh, maybe one day i'll add one with save edit when i'm 100% tired of the vanilla game 😄

[foggy trout]

why not just do it now?

[lofty scaffold]

i'm not really using boltcaster, i just made one to give a purpose to the sentinel modules

[cerulean schooner]

so for staffs, despite it being a "you craft your own" lemme guess the parts are cosmetic and its based on wher you craft it, isnt it

[foggy trout]

the color, stats, and sc layout of staffs are determined by the head and the location

lets say you have a concentric transducer and any other core + backbone part. If you put it in one location, you might get one with poor stats, orange and white, and a clustered sc layout. Another location might give you one with good stats, yellow and purple, and spread out sc's

[cerulean schooner]

oh? the head matters too?

[foggy trout]

the head matters the most lol

the other parts dont determine the seed at all really

[cerulean schooner]

so the stick and the middle bit are cosmetic, effectively

[foggy trout]

yep

[cerulean schooner]

alright

[foggy trout]

choose whichever one you fancy

you just have to worry about the colors, stats, and sc layout of a specific head at a specific location, then just tack on whatever core and backbone you want

[cerulean schooner]

how many heads are there and how do you acquire more types?

[lethal lily]

There are 7 heads, all of which can be bought from the terminals

[cerulean schooner]

alright then I'll put it up to my shitty luck

[lofty scaffold]

its a good idea to have all the 7 heads before you start checking terminals, just so you don't miss some nice ones

[lethal lily]

If you care about looks don't even bother with the salvaged claw and head

They manage to be ugly 100% of the time

All the others have some pretty good combos

My favorites are the radiant heart and the voltaic one that looks like a crest

Runic can also be really good

[lofty scaffold]

i'm pretty sure there's a lot of people that love the salvaged ones, really hard to recommend something related to the looks

[cerulean schooner]

I'll figure out what I like once I start getting more heads

and more void motes to buy stuff

[lethal lily]

They're always like sh*t orange though 😂

[lofty scaffold]

you mean the glorious amazing looking orange rust? 😄

[lethal lily]

Rust is only good in moderation

But the whole entire salvaged staff is caked in rust

If you wanna look like you bathed 4 years ago and forgot to dry off go ahead 😂

[lofty scaffold]

i wonder what all the autophage out there have to say about this 😄

[eternal flame]

they agree cause the autophage have taste

[lethal lily]

Do you not see my pfp 😭

I'm an autophage enthusiast man

But the autophage aren't completely orange

I love the rust on my character

But the multitools are a different level

[lofty scaffold]

now this escalated quickly

[lofty scaffold]

hopefully this doesn't make it personal 😄

[lethal lily]

inhales

AHHHHHH

[novel galleon]

why knot

[frigid dawn]

where'd you get this?

[lethal lily]

you get them at monoliths on disonnance planets

[lofty scaffold]

i think you get them at any korvax monolith

[gilded stratus]

anyone have a good rifle in their save so i can buy from a station?

this onne maybe?

[amber pawn]

@gilded stratus Not necessarily in stations, but there's a handful of similar rifles across these

The lower-right corner Rifle for The Pomone Singularity is basically the same rifle, darker-coloured with a different magazine

[gilded stratus]

The one in uxton looks good

How can i find it tho there is alot of plants

Planets

[amber pawn]

@gilded stratus Every planet insystem has an independent pool of MTs - you save + reload on the planet that owns the MT you're after, then head to either the coords for Minor Settlement provided, or in the graphic you selected from, the Space Station cabinet, to pick up said model as S Class

Every cabinet will spawn one MT model per pool in-system, based on where you load into session.

[frigid dawn]

I wanted to know where he got that one

[pulsar charm]

Anyone have the cords to a Autophage site with black and yellow or maybe white and yellow staff pieces?

[light widget]

lol damn

just gotta share this staff I found

the camp is... underground, so yer gotta dig down quite a bit

[pulsar charm]

Do you have the planet cords? Galaxy?

[light widget]

err it's not a great staff, just A class, upgraded to S it's kinda derp, still want it?

I found a white staff, B class on this planet before but forgot to save the coord

so I'm trying to hunt it down on another save lol

[gilded stratus]

anyone got a rifle in their space station? id buy from them

[gilded stratus]

id love that

[light widget]

here, this planet

gotta show off my complex a bit :">

Yebario Gosen, coord for the underground gold staff is

err either -83.90 -117.34 or +41.11 +141.19 - rechecked, it's +41 +141

I put a save beacon next to it, only save beacon on the planet

here's my note for staffs I find notable on the planet

in case you feel like hunting, around -10 -40 (I think so), there's a camp next to a straight cliff

that has this staff, B class with 2 linked slots

it's the one I'm trying to find but no luck so far, been 4 hours 😂

near a post called Nohocc ^

[grave venture]

Glyphs and planetary coords?

[grave venture]

Glyphs ffs

[hasty ridge]

?

[grave venture]

Go into photo mode, bottom right there will be a combo of 12 symbols, can you show them so others can get to these

Bottom left

[hasty ridge]

uhm oke i will try

[grave venture]

Not right

You can use the emotes in the server if you want

[heady pond]

This is if you intend in sharing the locations of the multitools, otherwise chatting, questions or details regarding multitools are fine.

[hasty ridge]

how do i got photo mode

[light widget]

press x on pc

[grave venture]

Quick menu furthest right

[light widget]

scroll to the right, a photo icon

[grave venture]

Cool thx

[light widget]

you forgot the coord?

[hasty ridge]

yea u dont really know the coords

[light widget]

I think Omega is gonna rage

[heady pond]

Planetary coordinates are found either top right when using your visor or bottom left on a panel while in your ship, these are Lat/long coordinates and they are required for more specific finds as each location has a set seed

[hasty ridge]

the thing is im not on that planet

[heady pond]

That’s fine, that’s just a tip for the future if you ever intend on sharing locations.

[light widget]

wonder how big a planet could be

I found 16 waypoints and probly crossed over 50 phage camps

and still haven't found the one I've been looking for

[grave venture]

Nah I’m fine

[heady pond]

currently uprooting every sign in the neighbourhood

[lofty scaffold]

you don't need coordinates for royal, just search for a sentinel pillar or kill some sentinels to reveal its location

[light widget]

so Omega is basically leveling the whole planet eh

[lofty scaffold]

you can buy these maps

[heady pond]

You do if you want the specific class, sc slot and stats, same applies to most discoveries only if applicable.

And some find glyphs a quicker way if you have a specific colour in mind

[lofty scaffold]

all the Royal mts come as A, and all sentinel pillars on a planet have the same Royal mt (if there is a Royal mt on that planet)

[heady pond]

This is completely incorrect, not all royals are A and not all pillars have royals

[lofty scaffold]

i meant for the case where a planet has royal mts

so they don't come as A they come as max A?

[heady pond]

Heh? Seed values are random but are set for the same location.

So you can find the exact same tool at the same pillar but any other pillar on that planet will have a different tool.

[lofty scaffold]

i scrapped my post cuz i'm too lazy to test it now 😄

i think the royal color is the same on the whole planet, and the stats differ?

[heady pond]

Same per planet so just check each planet

[lofty scaffold]

i think you were wrong, i just visited 3 sentinel pillars on the same planet and the mts were identical

[heady pond]

^ Yes? if you visit a different planet it won’t be

[lofty scaffold]

at this point we are talking about 2 different things...

[heady pond]

I’m still running on the comment “all royals are A and all pillars have royals”

So yes if we have changed the context we most definitely are

[lofty scaffold]

i never said that

i said that all royals are A and all sentinel pillars on a planet have the same royal, obv if they have a royal, cuz we're talking about royals

and it started from the fact that you don't need planetary coords to find a royal tool on a planet, you just need to find a sentinel pillar

aka you only need the planet glyphs, which the player provided

[heady pond]

That’s after you edited the original message, so we are being dishonest.

[lofty scaffold]

i just added the paranthesis comment

[heady pond]

And yes but it’s a general thing that applies to most discoveries but yes i understand what you mean here.

[lofty scaffold]

it only applies to royals, i think, the sentinel, staff and atlantid are dependent on the terminal position, you need to exact coords for them

lemme rephrase it, if you have the glyphs for a planet that has a Royal mt, you can just go there pop a Sentinel Boundary Map chart, and the sentinel pillar will have the royal mt you are after, you don't need the planetary coords from where the person previously found it

[heady pond]

Yes, My original comment regarding Lat/long planetary coordinates replied to a comment that I interpreted as “the player can’t know those coordinates” and then followed by a generic comment explaining that’s it should usually be included in a post.

Then your original comment prior to editing was stating that “all royals are A yady ya” hence this confusion

Which really doesn’t need to be continued because I understand what you are saying

[lofty scaffold]

i'm sorry for the confusion i generated when my goal was the exact opposite of that 🙂

[heady pond]

Lol all good I’m half dead atm finishing up this expedition

Also dying from the flu so I’m looking at the game as if it’s not real

[lofty scaffold]

also i think the Royal mts can't be found as S, they go to max natural A class?

think that's what got me into saying they all come as A

[heady pond]

Actually yes but i have never seen one, and seen only a few posts of finds so slim chance

[lofty scaffold]

@nocturne flume nothing else makes me sadder then finding these 😐

[nocturne flume]

IKR!

[lofty scaffold]

was just curious how S looks...

[nocturne flume]

[lofty scaffold]

one day...

[nocturne flume]

As I try rn, I go straight with the S class for me not to feel bad about the possibilities of A class

[lofty scaffold]

same, but finding an A like that still hit me 😐

[nocturne flume]

yea, just to give us hope...

I almost gave up looking for those sc slots coz me thinking maybe it does not exist

🥴

[scenic pumice]

these SC slots any good?

[lofty scaffold]

SC slots are decent but the weapon is from ancient times, good for scraping for slots

[scenic pumice]

from ancient times?

im gonna scrap it anyway but if its got crazy slots i dunno could be special

[lofty scaffold]

can only have max damage 20 while the new sentinel mt and staff can have 50

almost any other mt can be better then them 🙂

[lofty scaffold]

they exist, long ago i found this sentinel mt, saddly 433

[nocturne flume]

Alright! Hopefully we find one any senti or staff will do

🤞

[lofty scaffold]

i officially hate this planet lol, second one

[nocturne flume]

hahah

I think I also explored all the autophage camps on 1 base planet I have

[lofty scaffold]

imo the game was designed to have a rarity level that withstands thousands of players hunting for things, and now we're just a handful of players looking for specific things

[lofty scaffold]

1% off perfect S class mining module, details in the image, scan to reveal the autophage camp, marked by yellow beacon, Eissentam Galaxy

@amber pawn add it to the book of knowledge 👆

[nocturne flume]

Yep. Challenge accepted.

[mint wing]

Nice. Will grab it for my monolith mt

[nocturne flume]

@lofty scaffold

[native comet]

Silly question, but on the experimental weapons with neon green piping

Does fluid visibly pump through it?

[rotund pumice]

i don't think they do that, in my experience experimental don't have any animation on the tool

[amber pawn]

@lofty scaffold I dont know that that works like you think it does, in fact, I'm pretty sure it doesn't lol.

[lofty scaffold]

it does, you take the staff and uninstall the module and use it on your mt 🙂

[amber pawn]

@lofty scaffold You've verified that you get the same upgrade seed using different saves?

[lofty scaffold]

yeh, you can grab as many as you want

[amber pawn]

@lofty scaffold Nice discovery - I love the implications lol

[lofty scaffold]

and a second one, should i do more? 😄

[amber pawn]

Nope, next verification needs to be done with a different account , lol

Thankya, added to my todo list 🙂

[gritty lichen]

Where’s the cords to this planet

[lofty scaffold]

i dunno when did that make any difference in NMS, but yup, go do your magic 🙂

cuz its not natural S, if you upgrade that A class to S it will be 433.3 base damage

[gritty lichen]

Do y’all know planet cords for a red radiant staff

[lofty scaffold]

on atlantid and sentinel you can install the classic mining beam so you have 2 mining beams, but not on Staff

@amber pawn the sad part is that they only come with "modules that you buy from vendors" for mining S and X, for all the other tech they come with "unlockable at anomaly modules" (i dunno what their official name is, hope it makes sense)

[amber pawn]

yep, it's shields and launch proc mods only for ships

[native comet]

Found a yt video with some, might have updated since you last played

Fluid does pump through.

Time to hunt! I really want a raised wire pistol, preferably all white or black and white.

Are there any system classes that are more likely to spawn experimental tools?

[amber pawn]

@native comet No

[mint wing]

Galaxy name?

[lofty scaffold]

oh snap, i forgot the most important thing, Eissentam

[lofty scaffold]

@mint wing did it work?

[chilly garden]

Is there a graphic for sentinel pistol min-max values? I found an A class but the damage seems low

[lofty scaffold]

most data spins around S class multitools, C, B and A classes are just placeholders for a couple of hours till you find an S usually

[chilly garden]

yeah makes sense

[amber pawn]

@lofty scaffold Sentinels and Royals can both upgrade to max damage at S, it's seedlocked as opposed to most MTs

@chilly garden

[chilly garden]

what does that mean it's seedlocked?

[lofty scaffold]

he was asking for data about A class, and i told him they don't matter 🙂

[amber pawn]

@lofty scaffold Which, in the case of Sentinel MTs, is wrong, because natural S Class doesnt guarantee max damage on those 😛

[lofty scaffold]

i don't think that was the problem in question, but i'll let you do your thing, meanwhile Astaroth88 went and grabbed the S mining module from the staff and it worked

[amber pawn]

@chilly garden It means whether or not a Sentinel MT will have max dmg is depend on where you got it,not what class you acquired it at

@lofty scaffold It was the wording you used that I had issue with - by implication, you dismissed any point to hunting <S class Sentinel MTs

[lofty scaffold]

well, if i was wrong in something it was in the the fact that i presumed he's a new player and just grabbed his first A class MT, and it didn't felt way better then the previous he owned, so i answered in a way that i felt it would be suitable for a new player 😊

else i would have jumped in with all the specifics about the S class sentinel MTs and sutff

[chilly garden]

Ah I see. So then my question should be, how do I check if it will have max dmg or not?

[amber pawn]

Thats fair, I take a longer view on things than most - I've literally put hundreds of hours into debates, arguments, and proofs that were only necessary due to misinformation, so I'm very proactive about preventing such things from happening in the first plave.

@chilly garden By upgrading to S and looking - reload restore point to refund nanites after

[lofty scaffold]

yeh, thats how you hit me too the first time i landed here, with very accurate info that i had no idea what it meant, so i tried a more user friendly approach 🙂

[amber pawn]

I appreciate that, I'll take all the help I can get. 😄

[lofty scaffold]

i forgive you if you go fact check the mining module thing from early 😛

[chilly garden]

Ok sorry, I tried looking myself but I don't see a thing for what the max stats actually could be. Like, with nothing in it right now the damage is at 452. Does the max go to 500? more?

[lofty scaffold]

you first need to uninstall everything that can be uninstalled from the multitool to see the base damage potential, and for S class sentinel multitool it can be aprox 400, 416, 433, 450, 466 and 483

[native comet]

Apologies for @'ing directly, but confirmimg there IS a point to hunting for natural S class multitools & ships?

Its not all just based on seeds?

[chilly garden]

Oh ok, so it became 433

so kinda mid

[native comet]

Also, do you guys have any tricks for checking all multitools in a system as quickly as possible?

[amber pawn]

@native comet Natural S Class MTs except for royals, sentinels, and (maybe Atlantids, havent verified), yes. Natural S ships? not really

@native comet As quickly as possible generally measures in hours, not minutes lol

[chilly garden]

Does that also mean any sentinel MT found in that system will have the same values, or is it by box?

[native comet]

Ahh, I assumed as much. Might as well keep on hopping from system to system and checking the space station case.

[amber pawn]

@chilly garden Any Sentinel MT from same pool - though there's only the 2 looks, theres up to 7 distinct sentinel MT seeds per system

[lofty scaffold]

when you first go in a system land on a planet and check the sentinel MT terminal, that MT is from the space station pool, if you reload on that planet you'll see in the terminal the MT from that planet pool, if you reload on any other planet in the system and then come back to that initial terminal you'll see the MT from the planet you last reloaded on pool, each of those pools have the same base damage potential

[chilly garden]

Ok I'm going to need to think on that. Thanks @lofty scaffold and @amber pawn for the explanations

[lofty scaffold]

you mine faster 🙂

[nocturne flume]

@lofty scaffold 🤞

[grave venture]

Pray

[nocturne flume]

SIGH

[grave venture]

So close

[nocturne flume]

IKR!! anyways im just gonna save this coords

[grave venture]

What SC layout are you going for?

Just any that give adjacency and sc?

[nocturne flume]

@grave venture this one buddy!

[grave venture]

Oke

[light widget]

well, idk about you guys but

I demand that my staff must suit my liking first

feel horrible wielding smt some 5 10 15k stat higher but looks bad in my hand

[mint wing]

Ah yes. The "P" and " D-pad " setup 😆

[grave venture]

Question mark and star*

[nocturne flume]

or the Crosshair*

[grave venture]

Star*

[nocturne flume]

"P"

my highest staff dmg pot

Euclid - comms station and save beacon on site

[daring timber]

Why do you need that much damage? Does enemy hp scale with something?

[gilded stratus]

What are the best mods for a staff?/damage

[grave venture]

Nah, just for fun

[grave venture]

Best tech is neutron cannon, best mods are best X class neutron mods

Neutron is best for dmg potential numbers

Elaborate?

[gilded stratus]

I got the mods but not the cannon yet yikess

[grave venture]

What YouTuber?

[nocturne flume]

for the record 🤭 and just me looking out for the best supercharged slots that will give the highest damage potential. Enemies can be harder to kill when settings are at max and having high damage makes the game boring for me now.

you mean 2 S-class staves on one terminal?

or more?

[grave venture]

That’s bs

[nocturne flume]

I don't get it tho

would appreciate if you send that vid to us

[grave venture]

Some heads give different cores slightly different colours if thats what you’re talking about

[lofty scaffold]

might have been from before the patch, at some point you were able to generate different staves based on your position when you access the terminal

[lofty scaffold]

this is so sad, but if the layout is consistent with the S class on that planet there might be a cross sc somewhere there

[lofty scaffold]

you only need the Polyphonic Core installed on your MTs to find Autophage camps

[lofty scaffold]

also there is a quest line for the autophage in game that teaches you everything, that's why there's no need for pins with info

yup

i guess scan harmonizer was intended for regular mts, and polyphonic core for staves

but then you can have both of them on anything 🙂

they are good cuz they synergize with the scanner, so you can adiacency boost some of that

[nocturne flume]

Only that one is good and I already abandoned that planet

[lofty scaffold]

most i found was 2 S on the same terminal, so nice find 🙂

[amber pawn]

Not necessarily possible, though I cannot say for certain.

[lofty scaffold]

almost good 🙂

you search in regulated or outlaw systems?

natural staves in regulated systems are guaranteed 483 damage, but harder to find, and in outlaw they are more common but can be anything from 416 to 483 damage (most of the time in my experience 416)

i kinda only search in regulated

from time to time i try an outlaw, thinking maybe i get lucky, but i only found 416 so far on outlaw

uninstall the weapons to see what's the base damage

yup

classic outlaw

[amber pawn]

I think I found a natural S Alien with max dmg in outlaw.... once lol.

I didnt realize at the time it was seedlocked and it looked crappy, so I didnt keep track of the location

[lofty scaffold]

staff only i think, atlantid wasn't researched that much, sentinel can be anything anywhere, and the old mts who cares 😄

[amber pawn]

all standard mts suffer the same

atlantid is the only unknown

[lofty scaffold]

problem with atlantid is that there's no "mining potential" stat, so you can't tell how good it is without 3rd party

i dunno why they decided not to list the mining stat since is the core of every MT

[spice geyser]

what are the chances of finding an s class multitool in the shop

[lofty scaffold]

its a good find, you can scrap it every day for slots

[ebon raft]

can you share the loc?

[unique aspen]

too bad the crystal isnt green

[primal sonnet]

Euclid. Unexpected discovery in Anomally.

[novel galleon]

That's a lotta sodium

Call it the soda can-non

[ebon raft]

ok

ty

[daring timber]

what is this type?

I'll just get rid of it

[carmine saddle]

You still got the coords for it? Ive been looking for something like that

[inner glade]

Do these stats for a staff look good

[lofty scaffold]

only natural S staves can get to 483, any upgraded one to S will be 433

[lethal lily]

You can get like 10 times better potential

[inner glade]

How

[heady pond]

Definitely not the best you can get, seen some up to 180k but it uses S class Neutron cannon modules and a good SC layout for it

[lethal lily]

What SC layout do you have on that one?

I don't think mine would ever get that high 😂

2 by 2 I'm guessing

[heady pond]

It is a 2 x 2 😂

[lethal lily]

I could probably still get it to 100k

I guess well see

[heady pond]

Yeh but i hate that multitool and prefer my potato chip

[cerulean schooner]

this is far too much work for me to comprehend lmao
I'm probably just ognna stick with whatever I find and like using ig

[full tapir]

Haha i know this name 😄

[carmine saddle]

Thats super cool looking! Do you still have the cords for it?

[devout eagle]

HOW THE HELL ARE YOU GUYS GETTING YOUR MULTITOOLS TO 100K+?!?!

[dark gale]

Min maxxing

[devout eagle]

Jeez I need to finish the game so I can get a staff

[dark gale]

Creative mode main storyline speedrun 🤑

[grave venture]

Neutron cannon

[devout eagle]

I’m gunna be honest, creative is kinda lame imo

[dark gale]

Don't care!

[devout eagle]

🤯

[dark gale]

I'll be exploring wonders of the universe while you grind an hour for ferrite dust

[devout eagle]

Got all I need

[dark gale]

My main save is a very relaxed survival save, then I have my expedition saves and a permadeath survival save with 14 hours

[devout eagle]

My main save is exp 11

It’s new with 20-30 hours on it

I finished expedition 11 in like 4hrs

Then I just kept on playing on it bc I got a rlly good s class interceptor

[dark gale]

My main save was utopia until I got bored of it

[devout eagle]

Photo of when I first got my sentinel ship

[dark gale]

Then I grabbed the speeder on a new save and just started playing that

[devout eagle]

All the inventory was from my first ship

I got a better one tho

Looks as cool as that one

Oh there is a glitch I encountered

If there is a landing pad nearby an interceptor , place your ship directly on top of the new ship, and it will fly onto the landing pad and you can buy it for free with no work

[devout eagle]

Bro speeders look insane

I just wanna find a squid

[mint wing]

Because "BIG NUMBARS!!!" . And maxing is something to do in the endgame.

SC slots best layout is diffrent for each technology imo. 2x2 was cosidered best before actualy testing it. And now 2x2 is mainstream.

[forest escarp]

idk either, because after a certain point your damage is so high that anything you shoot melts too fast for any increase to be meaning full. I only have like 60k damage on my starship for example, but i can park in front of a station and kill sentinel ships faster than they can leave the station. any increase really would not benefit me except if i wanted to kill players who have slightly tougher ships.

same applies for MT too. I have a neutron cannon that already one shots most of the sentinels. The only realistic reason i'd upgrade further is to one shot players, but i don't see a reason to do that in a game where PvP isn't really a popular thing. I don't find myself under attack often enough to really think it is nessisary.

[chilly garden]

Guys, it has no functional purpose, some people just have fun trying to push the limits and get big numbers

[lofty scaffold]

@nocturne flume hey, you were right about the 11% ion sphere speed, i finally got my 3rd mod with 12% ion sphere speed and the potential damage went down when i replaced the 11% mod

@amber pawn potential damage lowers when using a better module

[amber pawn]

@lofty scaffold Not precisely, has to do with hidden decimals, not specifically due to lower sphere speed

[winter chasm]

hi guys

I need module id

do you have？

[nocturne flume]

Yea, I tried all the combinations but only the 12% gives the highest damage potential

[final dove]

I will let those here from my search if someone is interested
Nasmilete Galaxy

[gilded stratus]

anyone got an alien multitool in anny of their station ill join and buy?

[mint briar]

man

this thing really is good looking

maybe i should swap this from my experimental weapon

[final dove]

Is this one \

[gilded stratus]

yessss

ill let u know when im on can i grab it?

[gilded stratus]

i dmed u

@final dove can u dm me please? urs are closed

[hexed nexus]

Can I join

[final dove]

join me

[pulsar charm]

What head is your character using

[chilly garden]

At some point did the MT pools get changed? I was looking at old videos for royal MTs and I went to one system but there weren't any royals

[mint briar]

The triangle one

[mint briar]

Was wondering the same.I was on the same planet and atlantid multitool between logins are different

Not between altar mind you

Which is weird

[chilly garden]

Did you also try reloading on other planets? I went and tried a few but still nothing like what the videos show. Odd you're seeing changes between logins

[mint briar]

Yeah

Do atlantid multitool share the same model on the same planet

[chilly garden]

Ok, I learned that they did change the Royal multitools specifically. For anyone else looking, don't follow any guides from before Echoes update

[boreal obsidian]

For the atlantid multitools you can reload on either the space station or on any of the planets, and each one will cause all of the atlantid multitools to share the same designn, similar to how regular multitools varry depending on where you load into the system.

[obtuse bane]

There is a pool of 1 tool for each location? Interesting

[boreal obsidian]

Yep, that's why some of the post here showing off multitools have them listed next to planets, to show off what models are available in the system.

Like the photos in this post: #nms-multitools message

[obtuse bane]

I thought you were talking about Atlantid MTs. I am confused now: are the Atlantid multi tools also in pools with different models per location (planet/SS) or are they all the same in a system?

[amber pawn]

@obtuse bane No matter the type of MT, you get a different model from every pool insystem, with only 1 severe edge case exception that I've never seen anyone else report anywhere, lol.

Actually, I havent checked whether planet pool affects Staffs - due to how theyre set up, I severely doubt "pool" has any effect on them.

[hexed nexus]

Does someone have an alien multi tool in their SS

[obtuse bane]

That’s good news so it means we can also have plenty of Atlantid MTs in a system 👍

[pallid dagger]

anyone got cool staff seeds

[mint wing]

Probably everyone . Because everyone have their own definition of what is "cool staff" 😉 maybe if you could elaborate more on what are you looking for , someone could reply

[lethal lily]

I've got an incredible natural S class if you want

3 adj SCs

Orange and red

With radiant head

[rocky sun]

I need to beat the main story to be able to make a staff right?

[lethal lily]

Just the Artemis path

!faq-echoes

[chilly hill]

to view, enable Link Preview

❔ **Stuck starting the Echoes content?**

Make sure the steps below are completed.

⚠️ Use #bot-spam for FAQ commands below & check #nms-questions for the latest details about the update.

1. Finish the Artemis Path (main story). Run !Faq-ArtemisPath in #bot-spam.
2. Lift the Seal from a Harmonic Camp. Run !Faq-Interceptor in #bot-spam.
3. Warp to any system -- if that triggers a freighter battle, you must warp again.

❗ This information has been verified as of <t:1694212090:D> (after Update 4.44 & is subject to change.

With update 4.44, completion of the mission, A Trace of Metal is no longer required. A Settlement used to be needed -- except on Switch, where you'd have to trigger it by warping 25 times.

📚 Contributors: Atlas Emissaries & friendlyfirepl

[rocky sun]

Gotcha, ty :)

[static crypt]

has anyone come across a black/red or black/purple staff

[mint wing]

Probably

[pulsar charm]

I spent an hour getting to the exact coordinates for an autophage location for a white staff with the specific coordinates given and it was a different staff color

[cosmic quail]

Is it normal to always get a royal multitool from nexus missions when it involves hacking a sentinel pillar?

This is the exact same one that I got yesterday...

[lethal lily]

Yeah

[rotund pumice]

the nexus is kinda bugged and will send you to the same spot over and over and over unless you change system (for ex. the nexus sent me rob the same planetary depot more than 10 times, each time i need to locate it, then the "destroy depot" objectiv if check and i just need to flee from the interceptors)

[marble orbit]

anyone know the seed for the full gold reclaimer staff

[shell echo]

Where number is scorch

What*

Out of the 200 something galaxies

[mint wing]

1/256 chance. But mostly pepole hunt for things in euclid , calypso, eissentam or hilbet

[marble orbit]

euclid

all wiki staves are euclid

[rotund pumice]

gold and green? is that the staff that guy in minecraft just got after destroying 1000 villages XDDD

anyway i love the color

[marble orbit]

yeah

which is why im asking for the seed

[marble orbit]

i havent unlocked glyphs yet so i was hope a fellow pc player could build it then open their editor and send the seed so i could grab it as well

[rotund pumice]

well, taking a taxi seems to be faster

[marble orbit]

i havent done the autophage quests yet

so i couldnt build it even if i got taxied

[rotund pumice]

looking for a staff but you don't have the reqs?

[marble orbit]

which is why im asking for the seed

dont need the reqs if i got the seed

XD

[marble orbit]

you mind portaling over, building the staff, then opening an editor, grabbing the seed, and posting it here?

[rotund pumice]

1 : don't have any mods
2 : wtf is that galaxy, never heard off
sorry but i cannot help you on this one :/, someone else will probably

[marble orbit]

its th euclid galaxy?

the first galaxy?

editors arent mods

they just edit saves

theyre their own application

[rotund pumice]

it's said in in Scorch, dunno this place XD

[rotund pumice]

yea i know

[marble orbit]

thats either the planet type or the name of the staff

[rotund pumice]

seems more like the galaxy name -_-, you have the galaxy, then portal, then coords

[marble orbit]

no

all wiki staves are in the euclid galaxy

[rotund pumice]

weird

[marble orbit]

looking at world types scorch is a type of planet

so in euclid the system the glyphs send you to

go to the scorched planet

the staff will be there somewhere

[amber pawn]

@marble orbit Actually, seed isnt going to help you - Staffs may derive colours from seed initially, but those colours are saved as custom palettes, it's those that are actually applied to the Staff in your possession. It'll be a while before anyone properly figures out how to manipulate Staffs via edit.

[marble orbit]

damn

so imma have to complete the story then

[primal sonnet]

not sure if you have already saw the results we get.
||1.#1144350281707040809 message
We can edit the custom data to get the every color we like. It doesn't matter to modify the custom data in this way because of the multi bug that other players can't see the correct color of our own staffs.
2.#1144350281707040809 message
After we delete the custom data, we can see the appearance represented by the seed, and the staff can be seen by other players. Also we will get something interesting in the picture.||

[marble orbit]

i cant see those channels sadly

[marble orbit]

how do you edit the custom data?

[primal sonnet]

emmm

[marble orbit]

could you explain the process in more detail?

[amber pawn]

@primal sonnet I have, and it's certainly a great initial option, for those who understand how to edit the raw JSON, but I'm hoping my testing will advance Staff editing to another level

[marble orbit]

not sure im fully grasping it

[primal sonnet]

https://discord.gg/QwetsSRgWq

[amber pawn]

Raw JSON editing isnt a topicfor here, belongs in #nms-modding

[marble orbit]

are you saying after getting the correct seed deleting the custom data with correct the color?

[primal sonnet]

Not sure this is a good place to talk about it. ||What I said above is there are two different method you can choose. Edit and use the custom data or delete it.||

||and you can get the staff in my picture by using method 2||

[primal sonnet]

I hope, too. But it seems every staff has the custom data when they been created in game.

And because there are so few kinds of staff, so I think it's impossible for sooooo many random seeds to show staff with only one or few hundred appearances.

[shell echo]

none of them have missions do you assemble the staff?

[marsh ridge]

Found this in Eisentamm, in the last system before the core:

[feral heath]

I now have STAFF. But it is A class. Can it's class be upgraded, even if I made it?

[grave venture]

Yes

[feral heath]

Usual nanites? Shame I can't make it S hehe

Replace my sentinal gun with it

[grave venture]

Yes

[fresh hearth]

hey, im at the cordenates but i dont find it. can someone help me?

[marble orbit]

did you do the autophage quest?

[fresh hearth]

ohh idk

[fresh hearth]

how can i see if i did it?

[marble orbit]

then yeah you wont see it you would need the polyphonic core

[fresh hearth]

ohh damn thanks bro

[dense rock]

How do you farm so much nanite? Teach me please.

[marble orbit]

i didnt thats a pic from the wiki lol

i wish i had that much

[dense rock]

Same

[fresh hearth]

do you know how can i start the quest? im at the point of the history where the main mission says: " explore countless realities" polo holds cordinates of a black hole

and sm more, but i dont know how to continue from there

[lofty scaffold]

try #nms-questions people are really good at helping you there with these sort of things

[fresh hearth]

thankss

[marble orbit]

any double yellow reclaimer head or radiant heart terminals?

[marble orbit]

or black and yellow

[scarlet crow]

Does the armorer always give a crummy multi tool when you talk to them, or is there a chance for a decent one?

[devout hull]

i got a A class alien m/t from him

[amber pawn]

@scarlet crow Depends on the day and the system economy

[scarlet crow]

Does the selection change like station tool cabinets if I reload on another planet?

[amber pawn]

yep

armorer always pulls from currently loaded pool - cart them around on your freighter for max selection potential. 😉 @scarlet crow

[scarlet crow]

I'll most certianly do that now

[limber rampart]

orange royal with silver outlines

found this on one of the nexus missions

lol

[feral heath]

Hmm, there a lot of difference in the tool designs from the uuhh monoliths?

[amber pawn]

More than royals, less than other types

Anyone care to check something for Atlantid MTs? I'm becoming increasingly convinced that grey ones have low damage, dark ones high - it'd make things simple, but I've learned the hard way that things in NMS rarely work out that way. XD

[feral heath]

i just got a grey one, low damage

[amber pawn]

388 or whatevs @ S?

[feral heath]

yuuup

[amber pawn]

I think the high tier is 405.2 iirc - the unique Mining tech has a higher base damage stat than standard, so the tiers are all slightly higher values than with other types.

[feral heath]

Is the pulse spitter fairly accurate? Been running the shotgun for a while but the spitter feels more suitable with the staff

[lethal lily]

I know that after holding the button down the accuracy dramatically decreases

At the start it shoos nice but towards the end it's random baloney

[amber pawn]

Combat Scope does wonders for that

[obtuse bane]

You really find weird stuff. Color-linked damage who would have guessed?

[amber pawn]

@obtuse bane Ive half-disproven that, found a dark one with low damage - still havent founda grey one high yet tho 🙂

It's never that simple lmao

[obtuse bane]

Curious to learn your conclusions!

[amber pawn]

@obtuse bane Ive only checked about a a dozen grey ones so far, I think about triple that and I'll be confident in saying theyre all likely low dmg lol

[obtuse bane]

The 30 sample size barrier. You can do it!

[amber pawn]

Prefer colours to max stats? Red/black/grey Concentric Transducer Staff that upgrades into a nice SC layout, Euclid galaxy

[stone beacon]

How do you teleport to people with portal glyphs

[limber rampart]

#bot-spam message

[amber pawn]

Atlantid MT that upgrades to S with max damageand reasonably good SC layout, Euclid galaxy

[stone beacon]

is it normal for some multitools to have really low dmg, like this one

I found a multitool in a space station that cost barely 2mil and had 1.5k+ damage potential

and what does damage potential mean

[amber pawn]

@stone beacon It's measured based on single strongest tech type installed - which is why the standard for comparison is stripped of all base weapon tech and mining upgrades, to compare against the one thing they all come with

An S Class Pistol (0 dmg bonus) is always 333.3 base damage fully stripped, Rifles either 367.7-383.3, Experimental/Royal 383.3-400.0, Atlantid 388-405.2*, Alien 416.7-433.3, Sentinel/Staff 416.7-483.3
(Atlantid Mining tech has higher base dmg than standard, so the tier values are slightly different)

[sturdy hull]

Checking via? I could join the research group

To me the Atlantic muktitools looks like an unfinished draft

[stone beacon]

so, how would that explain a really cheap minitool having 1.5k or even 2k dmg potential

is it all up to the tech installed?

@amber pawn

and what would that tech be

[amber pawn]

Scatter Blaster usually

@stone beacon

[stone beacon]

ohhh true i've never got one of those

idk why

lol

[neon pivot]

Is it known what the optimal SC slot layout is for mining, assuming an Atlantid multitool (so, a runic lens)? Just a square?

[gleaming stream]

https://i.redd.it/updated-multitool-synergy-chart-for-4-05-v0-bm8bml21mww91.jpg?s=e806a86793f47c418811417ed3810b76ff403d71

This should be still viable, right @amber pawn ?

Or does the inclusion of new scanner blueprint and mining laser changes anything?

[amber pawn]

@gleaming stream Just add it to finish the 2x3 box 🙂

[neon pivot]

I saw this reference, but it doesn't seem to account (not explicitly anyway) for the runic lens.

[gleaming stream]

Assuming you're going with with a single mining module, you just put it where the standard Mining Laser is placed on the infographic

For dual tech setup, probably best to put them next to each other

[pulsar charm]

I thought 12k was the minimum nominal dmg output

That's just my starting tool ._.

[lethal lily]

Why did you do that to your first tool 😂😂😂

Commitment right there

[amber pawn]

Why not? can always strip the tech and reinstall elsewhere if they really want, lol

[silver topaz]

Because you can

[lethal lily]

After all that and only 12k... 😂

[silver topaz]

“only”

[lethal lily]

Yeah

12k is nothing

It's like 1/15 of the max

[silver topaz]

I don’t really care about my multitool as long as damage is over 500

Read my about me

It should tell you everything

[lethal lily]

500? That's like a few more than the max base damage 😑

Can't even kill anything with that

[lethal lily]

Fair

[silver topaz]

** I’m just in it for the planesᵀᴹ**

[lethal lily]

Hopefully you care about your ship stats atleast 😂

[silver topaz]

I do… to a degree

[lethal lily]

No 100k dps 😭

[silver topaz]

If my IK can destroy a sentinel with a <2sec burst it’s good enough for me

[lethal lily]

See but what about .75 sec

So much funner

[silver topaz]

but you have to grind more

And I’m lazy

[lethal lily]

Fair

It do be worth it tho

[silver topaz]

I just slap some s class upgrades around the thing and I’m good to go

[amber pawn]

S-Class Royal Pillar, Euclid galaxy. Space Station pool model displayed, others available upon save/reload on each planet.

[obtuse bane]

Noice! How many combinations of Royal are possible ?

[amber pawn]

@obtuse bane 10

[obtuse bane]

Thanks! 5 colors and gold/silver, right?

[amber pawn]

yep

[primal sonnet]

Hi there. I started a new normal save and completed the main story mission. Before the "A Trace of Metal" mission was triggered, I made a warp and triggered the "Staff" mission. (And the "A Trace of Metal" mission was also triggered immediately after the "Staff" mission was triggered. I'm not sure if there's any connection between the two.) Does this mean that the triggering of the "Staff" mission does not require completing the "A Trace of Metal" mission?

[gleaming stream]

Not anymore

Not sure why you're posting this in the MT channel but whatever

[primal sonnet]

Ok, thanks. That mission is related to the staff, so I asked it here. And maybe the infomation which !faq-echoes said need to edit if the "A Trace of Metal" mission really no longer needed.

[gleaming stream]

!faq-echoes

[chilly hill]

to view, enable Link Preview

❔ **Stuck starting the Echoes content?**

Make sure the steps below are completed.

⚠️ Use #bot-spam for FAQ commands below & check #nms-questions for the latest details about the update.

1. Finish the Artemis Path (main story). Run !Faq-ArtemisPath in #bot-spam.
2. Lift the Seal from a Harmonic Camp. Run !Faq-Interceptor in #bot-spam.
3. Warp to any system -- if that triggers a freighter battle, you must warp again.

❗ This information has been verified as of <t:1694212090:D> (after Update 4.44 & is subject to change.

With update 4.44, completion of the mission, A Trace of Metal is no longer required. A Settlement used to be needed -- except on Switch, where you'd have to trigger it by warping 25 times.

📚 Contributors: Atlas Emissaries & friendlyfirepl

[gleaming stream]

See the footnote?

[primal sonnet]

Oh sorry, my bad. I didn't notice, I was reading the infomation from versions in the past.

[amber pawn]

Dark Atlantid max damage/mining MT when Upgraded to S-Class, decent SC clustering, Tweretnort galaxy

[frozen brook]

Is there a better way to upgrade damage than upgrades

[lethal lily]

No

[obtuse bane]

How do you determine base damage? On screen it still has a little « yellow » damage on the bar due to I guess some add-on not visible on the layout?

[amber pawn]

@obtuse bane A "tier" covers a 5% spread in damage bonus roll, so an MT with 433.3 Damage stripped to Mining Beam would be anywhere from 30.0000000% to 34.99999999% for bonus roll - it could literally just be a scale from 0 to 10 as far as actual effect is concerned

The yellow bits are displaying differences in the precise rolls, but the precise rolls have no effect, except to determine which tier the MT lands in

HG shoehorned MTs into the same stat structure that ships use and has never undone it lmao

[obtuse bane]

The one you shared above says 405.9 damage potential. You mean if I acquire it I can get between 0 and 5% random extra on top of that value?

[amber pawn]

No, Atlantid tiers are all slightly higher, because Runic Lens carries a higher damage stat than standard mining tech

So instead of 383.3 / 400, theyll be 388 / 405.9

[plain ocean]

I’ve been wondering why not put the neutron cannon in the sc slot? All the videos I’ve seen they only put the upgrades there

[gleaming stream]

Because the upgrades are borked by offering superb recharge delay bonuses

Less delay between shots translates into more DPS and that is what the Damage Potential stat is displaying

If you aren't abusing this strat, then yes SCing the core weapon module is the first thing to improve damage

[obtuse bane]

just had a case of class shifting from C (space station pool) to B (planet pool) on a minor settlement. Maybe it has happened before but first time I actually realize it

[amber pawn]

@obtuse bane It's due to prime planets, theyll be on 1 side if the divide, the original planets on the other

[feral heath]

There's no inherent bias towards weapon types on tools, is there?

Like one may get better damage from the shotgun, one the blaze javelin ect

[amber pawn]

@feral heath None whatsoever, aside from Mining Beam itself.

[feral heath]

Nice. I was mildly worried when I read that someone had a staff 'aligned' for a specific weapon

Thought there may have been a mechanic I missed

[turbid moat]

wait......

100k damage on a ship?

the max i can get is 4k

[lethal lily]

yeah

[turbid moat]

how?

[lethal lily]

4 adjacemt supercharged

[turbid moat]

s class upgrades?

[lethal lily]

infra knife

yeah

[turbid moat]

i upgraded my ship to s class

it was b class when i found it

[lethal lily]

natural s classes are much better

[turbid moat]

ah

does the economy on systems make the chances for a s class higher?

[lethal lily]

adjacent supercharged stuff makes all the difference though

[lethal lily]

yeah

[turbid moat]

ok

i got like 18 scanners so i think thats enough

[lethal lily]

This is how my ship was when I got it

[turbid moat]

nice

anyway enough about ships this is called nms multitools for a reason

how do i get a good multitool?

[lethal lily]

not the best base damage because its an exotic but it hits like a truck

[lethal lily]

i usually go for staffs

[turbid moat]

it hits harder then a asian mom when they find out their child got a F-

[lethal lily]

pretty easy to farm and they have great damage

[fallow laurel]

I have the same question about multi-tools. I just got destroyed by some sentinels =/

[turbid moat]

?

[turbid moat]

ah

i might do that

i hear they can be like 100k damage

[lethal lily]

if you dont care for looks that much you can go for sentinel tools

they are a lot harder to find though

[turbid moat]

are tools better?

[lethal lily]

no theyre the same

[turbid moat]

then im just gonna do staff

dont i do secondary quests for staff parts?

or was that interceptors

[lethal lily]

the first time you have to yes

[turbid moat]

ah

[lethal lily]

but after that you can just buy them with the autophage currency

[turbid moat]

autophage?

oh robot race?

[lethal lily]

yeah

like the guy in my profile

[turbid moat]

ah

i still need to find a camp

that has those guys

[lethal lily]

go to a dissonant planet and destroy dissonance resonators till you get an echo locator

that will get you to them

[turbid moat]

k

also creative lets you get any item?

yoiks

i might lock my settings

[lethal lily]

yeah

[feral heath]

Does the upgrade that lets you uncloak certain people also show harminic camps? or I need an echo locator for that?

Yes it does, nice.

[boreal obsidian]

Those things are everywhere, and if you have an exocraft that can scan for, whatever those suit upgrade pods are called they seem to always have a camp hidden in them. In case this is useful for you in the future, those hidden camps are always marked by the smoke circle at the location, so if you're out exploring and see that, you'll know there's a camp there.

[supple flame]

@boreal obsidian drop pods

[boreal obsidian]

Thank you, I had a brain fart right as I was writing that.

[feral heath]

ah, mostly for the ones that let you detect dissonance spikes for ships

those particular ones are what I was after

[boreal obsidian]

Then those will mostly be echo locators, though you can always happen across them with the multi-tool tech, but that tech can send you to any planet camp. If you run low on locators I enjoy disabling the sentinels on the planet through the tower then just flying around blasting the drills, in the even that method sounds interesting to you.

[warm furnace]

Oh! I just found this multi-tool on a space station that looks the same as my multi-tool, although it has a different name than mine did, and it’s also a Sentinel multi-tool.

I got mine from a Sentinel pillar. I’m not sure if this one is the same thing, under the hood.

Mine is upgraded to A class and this is C class.

This is the multi-tool on sale. I have an upgraded version of the same thing.

I’m actually super-excited because I picked up my multi-tool fairly early in the game and haven’t found anything as good since then until now!

[amber pawn]

@warm furnace First off, thats not a Sentinel MT, its an Alien type. Secondly, if its from the same system, its the same seed - stats will be the same whether or not thats the case.

[warm furnace]

It’s not from the same system as where I got my multi-tool. It’s from very far away.

[valid bridge]

Wish I could make one like this but green.

[warm furnace]

At this point I am a few million light-years away from where I got my cool multi-tool.

[supple flame]

@warm furnace 2ndly the way u have ur upgrade modules laid out isnt doin u any favours cobber

[warm furnace]

It’s pretty disorganized but I am using the supercharged slots the way I want to use them.

[supple flame]

Yep i get that but try to group the other modules of same type then around the SC slots

[warm furnace]

I kind of managed to do that with my starship. Kind of.

And with my exosuit I have the environmental protection modules that I need to recharge all on the same row

[supple flame]

Yep that looks ok in theory but ur losing the majority of the MTs potential

[supple flame]

Try to group each set together an build around the SC slots as best as u can

@valid bridge ur groupin is close but not gettin the full effects cobber

Nice stats thou. U have some nice seed modules

[warm furnace]

Actually now that I have done it I see I need to replace a Class A pulse spitter module with a Class S one.

[supple flame]

Not just the class but the location placement.

[rough mountain]

90 hours in and I am no where near that got a s class yes but only 42 slots so guess my 214 nav datas go to distress for the units ( ship hunting )

For more multimedia slots

[supple flame]

@rough mountain mix it up, expansion modules or upgrades with nanities to all ur gear an vehicles

[rough mountain]

Just started the void egg tonight as well 25 hour irl wait oh well fives me time to upgrade my stuff 😆

[supple flame]

Sure does, gather resources, build an explore oh an then the next 25hrs u get to do more an then rinse an repeat for 4-5 days until u hatch a space baby

[rigid kestrel]

How can I improve damage output

[obtuse bane]

Almost anything you do at this point will improve the tool

Step 1: Repair, chose a weapon and arrange the things in a coherent manner.

[grave venture]

Add neutron cannon

[rigid kestrel]

Ok

[rotund pumice]

1 : change MT because the SC slots on this one are pure hot garbage for damage
2 : repair the slots so you can add tech
3 : get neutron cannon and S class mod + the special tech
4 : profit

[gleaming stream]

Wouldn't call these slots pure garbage though

You get 2 slots in a 2x3 formation

Which is just right for populating with Boltcaster or Pulse Spitter tech

[rotund pumice]

yea, but you loose a lot of DP because you cannot hae a synergie and the optimal disposition

[amber pawn]

@rotund pumice Some players prefer a more balanced build, spreading out SC slots, because for practical purposes, max numbers offer little effective boost to how lethal one is. Spending hours to save a couple seconds per enemy group is a steep cost in the eyes of most.

[rotund pumice]

yea, but if you want pure DP, you'll need at least 3 SC slots near each other

[amber pawn]

I'm aware, but you're guilty of framing your answer according to your own personal bias - they didnt ask what gives the highest numbers, but you answered citing swap MTs first, worded as though anything less were inferior. Always better to approach it from the perspective of a newer player, if unsure of the context like here.

The slots arent pure garbage for a perfectly viable endgame build lol

[rotund pumice]

oh, i tough he asked for the higest numbers my bad XD

[amber pawn]

Ah, np, happens to me too once in a while - thankfully someone's generally around to call me out on it when I do it, too though. 🙂

[rotund pumice]

yea sorry XD

i'm often ready too fast and i'm missing bits XD

[gleaming stream]

The point is you do not necesarilly need all SC slots to be dedicated to one aspect

Gameplay wise there is no difference between a MT that deals 20k, 30k, 50k damage

[rotund pumice]

yea, especialy early game

[gleaming stream]

Let them work with what they have, figure out what can be improved on existing base

[amber pawn]

Already water under the bridge - as soon as its understood why something was a mistake, no need to dwell. Maximize fun time by minimizing the not-fun bits 🙂

[rotund pumice]

XD

[rigid kestrel]

Damn I did not know is tarted a war in here

[rotund pumice]

i did it XD

[rigid kestrel]

I was just asking mod wise

[rotund pumice]

as usual i read to fast ^^

[amber pawn]

One of those benefits of a non-competitive environment - we dont do drama, we do reasoned discussion, and if someone gets out of hand, mods step in and end it. 😄

[rigid kestrel]

I looked up a video for this ok to get it

[rotund pumice]

you're looking for mod?

[rigid kestrel]

No multitool

That to

[amber pawn]

@rigid kestrel Post in #nms-questions sorry, thats actually direct help subject

[rigid kestrel]

I did and someone was helping me but wifi probablem

[amber pawn]

@rigid kestrel Can you describe what it was, or what search led to it?

[rigid kestrel]

For me getting said weapon?

[amber pawn]

Need something to go off of, yeah