Make TCC Astral defend room start only after someones takes the mantle as defender like TNA light

[hybrid dust]

Just... please make that a thing, getting kinda annoying to see PF just loses on that room so consistently cuse it doesnt straight up forces you like TNA light room

only drawback is that room gonna be slightly slower cuse no speedrunning strats, but honestly im willing to make this room slower if it just means no stupid fails cuse you forgot to check out who will volinteer to hold shift while looking left and right

legit if you dont belive its a big problem. join PF, actually not even that, had cases when it happend even in graids

[dreamy axle]

NOOOOOOOOOOO, what are the guildmates that are fast enough to do boulder THEN proceed to defend in time gonna do!?!??!!?

[primal mist]

ngl after the removal of the scoreboard comparason i expected this to reduce

[hybrid dust]

god pls dont make this post into another foxo moment

[hybrid dust]

still happens.... a lot, tbf its also the design choise of 4 paths but 3 players... also due to the defend looking more of a suggestion

[primal mist]

i wouldnt mind if defending is completely removed but other challenges(except parkour) gets harder as compensation ngl. its really not fun to defend

[hybrid dust]

as someone who does that, im willing to lose it if it means no more stupid fails

[wide latch]

Make it for regular raid and not graid

👍👍

[dreamy axle]

im willing to lose the greatest piece of tcc ever, boulder. I'm DEFINITELY happy to have experience boulder, ty ct but it gotta go, it was DEFINITELY great though, but it just gotta go

[hybrid dust]

yup, at least we will have the almight G O L E M U S room

[dreamy axle]

ah yes, i will have never experience such a phenomenal 2 minutes and a half every single time i do a tcc without golem escort room

[hybrid dust]

🔥✍️

[void fiber]

mfw if you get golemus vs wings, it can be a 3 min raid or an almost 6 minute raid

[dreamy axle]

true, i wouldnt mind having more time spent in a raid and increased reward, but the way they add time into raids is just aaaaaugh

[uncut valve]

Said this before but there are large gameplay differences between vm room and astral defense. In astral all 5 challenges are fully capturing the players attention the whole room. And defending essentially locks you out of doing any of them. Ultimately astral defense plays like you’re a player short, so much so that the difference between someone immediately defending, and somone defending after boulders or machine is litteraly doubling time spent in the room.

In vm you’re expected to be done with “your challenge” before defending because the main threat is unlocked after all of the other ones are done

Ultimately the only real skill expression in astral defense is
Can your party split into 4? -30 seconds
Vanilla parkour player misses a jump? +30 seconds
Boulder player messes up first run?
+10-15 seconds/just a raid fail

[violet frost]

Theres always 1 person in your raid who you have full control over and can make them defend if needed

What are you gonna do if the change is implemented? Sit and wait for the room to start just so you can avoid defending?

[upbeat night]

Do people really find defending that bad?

I normally do it myself

[turbid furnace]

"always do the most boring mechanic or you might randomly fail by no fault of your own" are we talking about video games here or my job jesus

[wide latch]

This happens with like light and shit there wouldnt be a difference

[turbid furnace]

making u wait just reduces skill expression in coordinated hroups which hurts replayability

[violet frost]

So u dont wanna do it but u are fine stallling everyone just to thrust it onto someone else?

[turbid furnace]

what?

[violet frost]

Someone will have to do it

[turbid furnace]

thats... why i want it gone??

[wide latch]

Yes

[violet frost]

Instastealing light to kill people 😈

[wide latch]

You hold down shift and look at one direction

[turbid furnace]

me as fuck

[upbeat night]

Two directions*

[wide latch]

Mb the occasional mouse swipe

[violet frost]

Did u make that point somewhere?

[wide latch]

Its like an dumbed down version of the nol resource room thing

[turbid furnace]

the mechanics can be made cooler but the main issue i have is that i play wynn to play wynn not bootleg cs aim trainer

[violet frost]

It used to be pretty intense

[wide latch]

Im sure they can do something that makes it not aimlabs

[turbid furnace]

yeah like remocinv it for another combat encounter or smth 😭

[wide latch]

Yeah honestly

[violet frost]

Make it dart throw from bonfire

[wide latch]

Id rather defend it from some munoboss or something

Or even better replace defend with colour change

[rotund parcel]

THEIR NAME IS ASTAL, NOT ASTRAL!!

[wide latch]

Astral

[hybrid dust]

mb lol

[rotund parcel]

All good I just wanted to meme lmao

[warm knoll]

no damage for the room = bad

[upbeat night]

Womp

[turbid furnace]

you cant be fr

[warm knoll]

I'm slash j

[drifting grove]

meh, just make defending astal more fun to do.
what if tcc shoots meteors to ppl in other challange or shoot astal on both side (ofc with good enough soundqueue)?

[dusky anchor]

what if boulder / machine defends after and then the team only has to defend for 10 nanoseconds?

[candid hawk]

As a person who always defends astal, i think ct made it far too easy

[upbeat night]

i find it super easy too

[alpine crown]

this could be neat actually

[raven rover]

I made a thread on this and got downvoted into foxxo hell

[sharp sage]

Easy? Yes
Do most wanna do it? Probs not judging from the earlier comments
Ngl though, I still think some people don’t even read instructions in pfinder sometimes >_>

[void fiber]

can't count how many times ive had to start spamming 'get off' or 'move' in pfinder when the def starts shift clicking towards Astal and that's it

either forced to do 3/4 in the room or def for 2-3 mins, no inbetween

[candid jungle]

just always defend yourself, shrimple

[turbid furnace]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1136386919123665050/1304514518713368656/image0-1-1.gif

[candid bluff]

defending is so boring, its not engaging because it takes no focus and i cant afk during it because i have to switch sides, why would i want to put myself into having less fun.

[candid jungle]

WHY WOULD YOUR TEAM DO IT THEN

[candid bluff]

exactly no one wants to so remove it or changed it

[candid jungle]

solution: remove TCC

[candid bluff]

we got a real genius here, big brain ideas

ct needs to hire u

[candid jungle]

this raid has gotten less fun every single update since 2.1

[candid bluff]

id rather we go back to the time when no one defended and we just speedran in pf

[turbid furnace]

REAL

[turbid furnace]

REAL

[candid jungle]

Why was this considered a bad thing?

[turbid furnace]

because nobody was interacting with the parkour or boulder section (because they are lame and boring) and using spells instead

[candid bluff]

because they didnt like that nobody defended and didnt do their content (despite everyone having more fun before changes)

[green lance]

it happens very rarely like 1/20 runs AT MOST its not a big deal and making this raid (ALREADY INSANELY SLOW BC OF ESCORT) slower would be awful

[green lance]

bc ct thought it wasnt interactive enough

but then all the other parkours are fine to do with spells 🤨

was just another one of the half baked changes

[warm knoll]

every other resource room disabling spells:

[green lance]

yea prob better that they dont patch being able to spell in notg nol and tna 🙏

[warm knoll]

notg and nol does have spells disabled

[green lance]

nol one doesnt function as it should and u can still tp half the time
notg u can just use pseudo movement like lacerate/trinkets

🤫

and tna just has no block at all for some reason it just feels very weird to only effectively block 1/4 raids' parkour

[warm knoll]

yeah the blizzard blaster in notg goes kinda wild

[green lance]

the real goat is [Meteor] Toggle packet fly off tho!

[candid jungle]

The other parkours aren't a minute long

[candid bluff]

most of them are optional aswell

[warm knoll]

neither is tcc

(being over a minute long)

[tidal scaffold]

I'm curious about the down votes, seems pretty reasonable to do in the non graid

[mental geyser]

Yeah but pls not in graid :cc

[hybrid dust]

any remote slowdown on raid = F tier (stands for foxxo) suggestion/criticizem

[tidal scaffold]

yeah it seems so which is silly considering this would genuinly help people that aren't experienced to fail less

[green lance]

because slowing it down negatively affects the experience of players who were playing it normally before

if this ever happens atleast speed up escort golem or smth so the average time doesnt get increased

[candid jungle]

unnecessary downtime on an already slow room in an already slow raid

[tidal scaffold]

pretty much every comment has shown that it may not be unnecessary

what is "average" tcc time

i guarantee its way lower than it should be 😂

[dreamy axle]

avg is like 6-10 minutes

an optimized run (aka just with gu mates ) can be 4-5 ig, at least from my experience, maybe you should consider adding time in a way that nobody dislikes fr

[exotic axle]

avg tcc time 3-4 min 30sec boss fight

[hybrid dust]

plats/lava room: ~1:30 min
Maze: 30sec to 2:00 min, depands how bad the RNG for exit is and how glassy the builds are
golem escort: 2:30, there's a reason why ppl hate it
Astal defense: 50sec if optimal to ~1:30 if the defender doesnt rush to do premival mech/boulders first
Boss: 30sec min, yes if everyone but ones dies to stupid rng (specificly in graids)

so prtty much the suggestion gonna ad atd worst 40 sec to Astal room, and like maybe 20 at best

[tidal scaffold]

ah yes what an easy thing to accomplish

[tidal scaffold]

it doesn't take 20 seconds to use RRR to get to the defending platform

[dreamy axle]

i said an optimized run is that short, otherwise 6-10 minutes is pretty easy for average pf unless the whole team dies, even with just 3 players doing task and one is defending. Unless you are implying that this is too easy or sth, i sure dont like sarcasm as a response augh

[delicate sparrow]

i think he was talking about " adding time in a way that nobody dislikes fr"

[dreamy axle]

oh, mb

[turbid furnace]

if you dont let it start till its picked up the timesave strategy of doing boilder or machination and letting astal tank the first few then defending on low hp is gone, which is about a 20 second timesave, removinh skill expression like this just hurts the raids replayability

[tidal scaffold]

I was refering to "consider adding time in a way nobody dislikes"

[dreamy axle]

fair

[tidal scaffold]

these kind of optimisations aren't whats happening to rando parties in pfinder

if someone leaves astal there chances are they dont know they need to defend it lol as many have stated

[uncut valve]

The other thing is when someone chooses to take the light it isn’t like they can’t help with the main objective of the room. Forcing someone to defend astal is so commital and basically locks the defender out of playing the room. If this was added I’d like to see one of the 3 challenges removed. Furthermore, if this change was only added to nongraid tcc i think it would overall worsen the pf experience as most experienced players don’t want to spend a minute holding shift even once

I’m all for making tcc longer and more skill based but this is not the way to do it. Its already decently risky to go for no defend/boulders then defend because astal is left at 1-2 helth when you go for it, removing this skill expression just seems backwards

[dusky anchor]

true but also ^^

“locked out” is a string and slightly inaccurate word for being forced to do a boring activity (I get that u said basically)

[alpine crown]

i think i'd like to make the defend challenge more engaging

rather than say fuck it and throw it out entirely

[dusky anchor]

would be cool if there was more stuff with swapping who defends

oo like u get a debuff when u do a task or as you complete a task and then can swap out with someone else

might not work so well with boulder and parkour

[uncut valve]

I absolutely think defense should stay, and 5hp is pretty perfect for making the room have some skill expression but yeah something to make it more engaging and not just tedious would go a long way

But given the option id much prefer what we have until plans for redoing parkour and this new engaging defense are both ready

[tight edge]

You can make something like a defend objective in lootrun

But it shouldn't be gear dependent (pfinder has people with poor build)

[wide latch]

Change defend to colour change

Easy fix

[alpine crown]

❌

although i would like to find somewhere to fit that back in

defend is not the place

[wide latch]

Idec just add it back somewhere 🙏🙏

[upbeat night]

color change is what again

minigame in first room?

[alpine crown]

block party from old resource room

[upbeat night]

ah yea thats what i was thinking of

ok

[green lance]

defend is also very clunky to enter/swap with teammates

[uncut valve]

it will also sometimes just shoot you off if you jump into it

[spring scaffold]

I have an idea to make the Astal defend less boring

I just came up with it in like the span of five seconds though so there might be some flaw I haven’t seen yet

[upbeat night]

make the astal defend a dance dance revolution with meteors coming down in front of you with different arrows as shapes

[spring scaffold]

Goal is to defend Astal from a new enemy by distracting it

1. Enemy could literally just be any Colossus or Lava creature, what it is doesn’t matter
2. Enemy will attack Astal while there are no players in the circle, if Astal loses all hp the raid is over
3. The player “distracts” the enemy via entering the circle (the circle is now larger and serves as a mini-arena)
4. During the distraction phase it’s basically a survive minigame. The enemy is unkillable but will launch onslaughts of attacks that the distracting player is expected to survive against

[dreamy axle]

not with my 12k ehp build

[upbeat night]

i think that makes it so incredibly less unforgiving if you do happen to die

which kinda sucks

[spring scaffold]

If the player dies it’s pretty much up to the other players doing the challenges to rush to the circle as fast as possible to take over
The player death message is visible as always so all of them have to be on their toes and actually keep track of who is going to do the distracting beforehand

[upbeat night]

its too unforgiving

🤷

[spring scaffold]

What is
Dying?

[dreamy axle]

that still sucks, just lemme kill shit man

[upbeat night]

yes

[spring scaffold]

Unforgiving in what sense

[upbeat night]

....?

how is it NOT unforgiving?

your ass is NOT getting off the parkour or out of the boulder area if the person distracting dies

[spring scaffold]

I mean, two of the other challenges also have a danger of death

It’s just this one is a maintenance rather than a token gathering

[dreamy axle]

you cant kill them and they can pretty much kill you any moment, that's like "Jungle Fever" but 10 times worse

[dreamy axle]

you can kill those mf that's how one survives

[spring scaffold]

It’s a
Survive phase

[dreamy axle]

which sucks

[upbeat night]

there is a massive difference between something that is forced time gating (distraction or raid fails cause astal dies) than something someone can go to at their convenience

[spring scaffold]

Like, you are supposed to survive instead of beating down the boss’ hp

[spring scaffold]

distraction or raid fails because Astal dies
Is this referring to my design or the current design

[upbeat night]

your design

[spring scaffold]

Because mine still has the same concept of “if there is no player there Astal’s health begins to lower”

[upbeat night]

so?

[spring scaffold]

Like, the enemy will not damage Astal if the player is within the circle

[upbeat night]

the person defending astal cannot die in the current version

[dreamy axle]

said type of challenge also exist in rol, and we know how that went

[upbeat night]

period

its just not possible

[spring scaffold]

Yeah so I want that to be possible

[upbeat night]

which is fucked

🤷

[spring scaffold]

Is being in danger of failing the maintenance spot via death just a set design rule when making a token room or smth

[upbeat night]

ill admit you have good suggestions from time to time but this is not it

[spring scaffold]

(I do want to understand your perspective on this)

Because I find the possibility of death in that position (the non-gathering position) perfectly okay in my eyes

It adds to the risk on your own life rather than shooting meteors from the sky to just defend Astal’s

[upbeat night]

theres a difference between someone wanting to defend and dying -> effectively forced raid failure if people are doing parkour/boulders

and a raid failure because someone is purposefully not doing it/getting off of it

[spring scaffold]

I guess I just wanted to make that mechanic less boring

[upbeat night]

it would make it tedious and annoying to do

[spring scaffold]

As in, the issue is the sudden pacing break for everyone else if the defending player dies?

[upbeat night]

yeah its effectively a forced raid failure since surprisingly you cannot get out of boulders or parkour that quickly (you have flame)

and also it kinda just sucks to do

[spring scaffold]

I see

[spring scaffold]

Oh right I forgot about flame
I was just imagining a player jumping off from parkour or boss down to the Astal circle to take over

[upbeat night]

its tedious to be jumping around and trying to dodge a mob for minutes or more while waiting for your teammates to get stuff done

[spring scaffold]

Can’t the same be said for meteor

I guess meteor is more repetitive than tedious

At least to most people, I expect

[upbeat night]

meteor is something you can effectively turn your brain off for and hold sneak

you have to maintain focus for the whole dodging period and make sure that you are maintaining your health and are still confined to a small area and have to not die or the entire party will fail

[spring scaffold]

Is that a good thing

Or rather is that a thing people would want over something slightly more exciting

[upbeat night]

its better than the proposed idea

[spring scaffold]

I mean
Yeah this was very much my intention

[upbeat night]

people would find it more exciting if they could kill it 🤷

it kinda sucks ass to just be running away from an invincible enemy for a few minutes

not exciting at all

[spring scaffold]

But then it won’t be a maintenance position anymore
It’ll no longer depend on the time it takes for the rest of the party to finish the challenges

But yes I see your point in the annoyance of taking over the spot

[spring scaffold]

I mean, like,
If this is going to be a survive phase I would expect at least some level of elaborate attack patterns and whatnot

Forgot to turn off ping sorry

[upbeat night]

idc about ping dw

[rare bronze]

my goat getting cooked in the quotes rn

[tidal scaffold]

I'm gonna get crucified and I said this previously in another thread but I don't think every single thing that happens has to be the most interactive, engaging experience that you've ever encountered. Defending astal isn't too hard which is a good thing. It's not too easy either. Maybe it's slightly boring but yknow there are 3 other challenges you could claim and do so you may only need to defend one in every 4 raids which is hardly the end of the world is it?

Forcing at least 1 person to go defend (which is meant to be a requirement of the room idc about skip methods) seems completely logical to avoid people just not engaging with it and failing the raid

If you want ways to speed up the room then it's better if it's actually made that way than arguing over keeping some stupid things like fully skipping parts of the room in the game (as it was before and I guess is still partially the case with leaving astal to almost die before bothering to defend)

[turbid furnace]

I dont think anyone would reasonably disagree with the idea that not all content needs to be raid boss level exciting, however I do think that there is a baseline of engagement that needs to be met for something to be considered enjoyable by a majority of players, buff rooms already serve as a pace reset between rooms so saying that the content itself should be intentionally slowed down for pacing seems redundant, raid rooms themselves are also already at a much lower level of engagement than the bosses themselves and that is understandably by design.

The place that people will disagree with you is your definition of engaging isnt the same as most players, wynn has lightning in a bottle with its combat system and most people play the game to experience that fantasy, not to do things vanilla related, things like parkour being core gameplay related in repeatable content is not something many people like because it feels more like something to get out of the way to get to the fun stuff again instead of something to be enjoyed in and of itself. In alot of ways Astal defense feels the same way, it is insultingly easy to most people, doesnt utilize the spell cast system, and eliminates all agency for room completion from the player who takes it, this is an incredibly boring gameplay element because to alot of people it forces you to stop playing wynncraft for the 2-3 minutes it takes to finish on an average run

People (myself included) flock to defend arbitrary tech like defense delaying because its high risk, high reward, and highly skill expressive, it gives back to this room what so many players desperately want which is excitement, youre right that its logically inconsistant with the idea of the room to keep but if you want to improve the room/not make it worse, at least taking into consideration the spirit of why things like parkour skip and defense delay are so liked to begin with would already be a good start for improvements

thank you for interacting with us so much btw ik i dont speak only for myself when i say its awesome how much transparency and discussion you guys provide in these threads

[uncut valve]

Imo forcing defense will more likely lead to the players who know how to defend always defending to not raid fail, and the players who don’t will never learn how because they don’t need to. Coincidentally this would also not make it a 1/5 as you might think but practically 0 for anyone who doesn’t know how and closer to 100 for anyone that does

Tcc is already such a low skill floor raid, everyone should at least know how to defend

And if no one in your party knows how or cares to defend you deserve the raid fail

Every change made to tcc has not only made it slower but in a way that doesn’t actually require any skill expression, this litteraly created a raid where if i wanted to i could afk for the duration of the raid 50% of the time and the completion time would not be affected at all

Lava room was boring to begin with we just put up with it cuz it was fast, it is now not only slower than plat unless performed optimally, its core gameplay of hold right click on a block has not changed

[tidal scaffold]

I didn't say the content should be intentionally slow but this is 1/4 of the room it's not even a majority of the content.

It also bothers me that it's widely agreed upon that raids suffer from a "DPS meta" but anything other than dealing damage and slaying mobs is deemed too boring. Imo mixing it up with stuff that isn't mindlessly spamming spells like in the rest of the raid rooms makes it more engaging not less.

As the defender you're basically the most important person for the room completion and no it isn't insanely easy. We take this for granted as experienced players.

We could also just pick a defender but then we'd have to add some kind of rotation or something idk because someone might just suck at it and if they get picked then the raid is over lol

I do understand why skipping tech is liked but It shouldnt be defended when room improvements are being proposed or discussed. These things are hacky and are never going to fit in. The only reason they're liked is because it's the only way to speed it up currently

If there was a built in mechanic to speed it up like being quicker with lava room or being more coordinated with the new nol tower room then everybody would agree that hacky skips aren't the way forward

Lava room genuinely doesn't have much wrong with it I don't know what to tell you

Golem room is very well known to be something we are gonna work on

Maze room isn't really good it's just liked because it's quick

[uncut valve]

I think tcc just has a sour spot in my mouth because you could litteraly be vannila steve and still add to the rooms meaningfully (hold right click on lava, take wings, and do parkour)

[tidal scaffold]

And astal room isn't designed badly, it just has 1/4 parts that's slightly boring

[uncut valve]

To clarify my reasoning for this comes from tree room where, if you don’t know how to do tree you won’t do it and if you do know you will almost always do it

[tidal scaffold]

Tree is definitely far more complex than this ^^

I do see where you're coming from though it's not an easy one.

I just think that the suggestion from this thread really wouldn't change anything about current astal and I don't really think a lot has to change

I don't think it would make the room any slower unless you're in pfinder with people who don't understand the room in which case completions are slow anyway

[uncut valve]

Thats true

[tidal scaffold]

The only thing it would affect is the skip tech which should probably be replaced with a better way of speeding up the room anyway

[uncut valve]

Like i said if defense was forced and one challenge was removed i think it would he okay

Because then at least every player has a clear role

[tidal scaffold]

What if instead of defense there was debris on the parkour and axon areas and you had to clear it out for your team to get through and activate the sigil

[uncut valve]

Tbh i was thinking more like move axon to where boulders is, remove boulders, buff the shit out of both minibosses and make parkour go all the way to his head

[tidal scaffold]

Or idk maybe only 3/4 sigils need to be activated and you can do any 3 (but that would 100% just result in 1 being never done (parkour))

[uncut valve]

and make it use grapple mechanics or something

Yeah i think the main design flaw is its trying to mimic vm room 5 challenges with one defend but each challenge is the entire length room. So you’re always a player short somewhere. And skipping the “elder challenge” doesn’t lose you time at the risk of failing vs skipping any of the others does lose you time as one player will always do 2 challenges

[uncut valve]

And yeah this doesn’t seem like the way to go thematically or practically although if this were the case i think axon would prolly be skipped cuz the cutscenes make it longer than a good parkour lol

At least in strong parties

[dusky anchor]

what if you could skip the last challenge

but tcc gains abilities for each sigil not activated

and hp

[wide latch]

Well in terms of pve doing anything other than dps is boring cause theres no depth to other non dps playstyles. Pretty much all support is passive and tanking has 0 depth to it. Dps is naturally gonna be more fun but there is literally nothing engaging with support or tanking rn

In terms of like the room mechanics not everything has to be that engaging but the parkour is literally just vanilla parkour with 2 jump pads and defending is holding down shift and occasionally looking in the other direction

[green lance]

Gargoyles sometimes get angry with u 🙈

[upbeat night]

me when i lie

(they cannot aggro you, that was fixed a few months back)

[green lance]

I’ve been hit off it while defending by gargoyle before

Yea might’ve been fix within last month or 2

[upbeat night]

3m ago
#📰changelog message

The player defending Elder Astal in the Binding Seal Room will no longer be targeted by enemies

[green lance]

Oh already been that long since flame haven’t done defend since

[tight edge]

ngl, raid 80% fails due to Elder

I got this in streaks

[wide latch]

What if it just

Randomly put someone into elder

[dusky anchor]

this means YOU do not go to elder as well

[tight edge]

I don't because most people can't do parkour

And you have to wait someone do & fail parkour for 3 mins

Which u gonna choose, suffer with people can't do parkour or just do it and leave Elder to someone thinks this game is too hard to def Elder

[violet frost]

How long does it take for astal to die?

[tight edge]

25s if unprotected

Assuming he's at full health

[tidal scaffold]

what if we did it similar to light room in tna

someone takes stands in a spot in the pre room to take the defending job

and we try to make defending more interactive in some way that could maybe speed up your teammates job aswell

[sharp sage]

That does not sound like a bad idea

[green lance]

Yea if it’s more interactive to the point that it’s not miserable to do for 2-3min whilst ur team struggles at the flames I’m all for it

[dusky anchor]

would be cool

[tidal scaffold]

It would be a bit difficult to make it interesting when your team is being slow af

that is just kinda hard but I'm sure we can think of something you can do to aid them while "Defending"

[spring scaffold]

Imagine if every single player actually contributes to defending Aster while also doing the challenges at the same time

Like, there is no standing spot everyone just has an item that lets you shoot really slow incoming meteors

Terrible idea given range is an issue here and that it'll be impossible to coordinate with everyone anyway but
Just a thought

[hybrid dust]

thats deadass my suggestion here

[uncut valve]

I mean this doesn’t actually fix the fundamental design flaw that one player will always have to do 2 challenges if someone starts while defending

And those challenges can’t be done in parallel

Im not completely against changing the room, but tcc has much bigger problems than the last challenge

Also I was thinking about it, and astral defense should probably be changed to just use your main attack/spells and not lock you in place. The reason so many new players can’t do it is because for 100 levels they’ve been trained “when defending something attack the danger with ur abilities” and defense is fundamentally different.

[tidal scaffold]

Yeah like the fact that an immobile boss can get melted by concentrated dps that can stand still

I'd like to make the boss fight slower too because it is kind of insane

[uncut valve]

Yeah I like will rarely queue normal tcc unless im in a 4 stack nowadays, the boss is just kinda anticlimactic and has 1 threatening attack which is pnly really threatening because it’s tell is a little weak

But the problem imo with making the boss harder is that the raid is bordeline unfailable outside the boss even if your party is low skill. So essentially no players get “weeded out” for lack of a better term getting to the boss

So as a design team you’re forced to accommodate a lower common denominator than every other raid, as tcc is in that weird spot where the lowest skill players aren’t low level players doing it, just the endgame players that can’t consistently beat tna

[runic pollen]

https://medal.tv/games/minecraft/clips/jFwOHa2cgzzYUkFtu?invite=cr-MSxtRHMsMjcxNzU1MjA4LA

[upbeat night]

sobs

[turbid furnace]

see the autosmord watermark and alr know its gonna be a banger

[runic pollen]

This is the embodiment of

“He’s a little confused, but he’s got the spirit”

[spring scaffold]

It’s not loading for me
Can you just post it here directly

[delicate vigil]

me screaming at pfinder just so we dont instantly lose the raid

[spring scaffold]

Thanks

[runic pollen]

At least I wasn’t in a party full of Fallens

[spring scaffold]

I gotta be honest I’ve played countless runs of TCC and haven’t actually met a braindead player in pfinder yet

Is it supposed to be really rare or am I just lucky

[delicate vigil]

i mean everyone’s pfinder experiences are going to vastly differ from what i’ve noticed

today i had really miserable tcc queues where half my team died within the first 10 seconds of lava room, then i had this bum ass immediately afterwards

so it could be that you’re lucky. generally speaking tcc queues are quite consistent with winning, just sometimes people suck at parkour and you’re forced to defend because nobody else knows how to

i do hope to see an astal defence rework at some point, i find it to be extremely boring for an otherwise very interesting room

[delicate vigil]

especially because of people like this who can just insta fail the raid because they’re trying to fucking kill astal with their spells

like i shouldnt have to resort to yelling at people to get off the defence just so that i dont lose

[spring scaffold]

Are they in this Discord server
I want to talk to them

[delicate vigil]

idfk

[turbid furnace]

that mfer is no older than 9 be real rn

[spring scaffold]

If they were really braindead I don’t think they would have responded to your messages in the chat

I feel like they just didn’t read any of the instructions

[delicate vigil]

@slim oyster YOU!

😡

[slim oyster]

wassup

[spring scaffold]

Hi there

A bunch of people are talking about how you

Uh, tried to attack the guy we’re supposed to be helping

What were you even doing there?

[slim oyster]

not sure. first time running the dungeon

[spring scaffold]

Why were you attacking Astal

[slim oyster]

didn’t mean to upset anyone

[spring scaffold]

He isn’t an enemy
You literally meet him in The Breaking Point quest

[delicate vigil]

shit now i feel bad

im sorry woogie no hard feelings i promise 😭

[slim oyster]

I didnt run the raid when I was at that quest

[spring scaffold]

No it’s fine

[slim oyster]

I’ve never done the raid before so I didn’t know

[spring scaffold]

@slim oyster Just saying, not reading the very obvious instructions before the challenge before going in is bound to annoy the entire team

[slim oyster]

My fault

It’s seriously not that big of a deal. Especially HOURS after the fact

[spring scaffold]

The team will let you read the instructions they know how many new guys appear in pfinder

Alright cool that’s all settled now

[slim oyster]

Gotcha. Didn’t think it was that big a deal. Glad to know that i’ve hurt someone’s feelings👍🏼

[delicate vigil]

😭 im sorry woogie

[slim oyster]

All good. You’re not the problem

It’s people like him that make life difficult🤦🏻‍♂️

[slim oyster]

No hard feelings though

[upbeat night]

😭