Official Banish the Beyond Feedback Thread

[worthy island]

anyones class not able to get first cheese? one of my mages cant get it yet i did mystery for last year

[tiny grove]

womp

[worthy island]

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i want to get all my 14 giant rat plushies :(

oh nmv im stupid!

no byg

bug

[gleaming tusk]

any word on executioner fix 🥺

i wanna stop getting hit from 30 blocks away from the scythe on woods

[topaz pollen]

is it still not live

something might be up

[peak dock]

real i wanna be a menace on exec again without it being stupidly broken

[gleaming tusk]

unless it has been changed recently but it was still broken late last night, and no post in #📫noticeboard either q_q

[silent sapphire]

you can in the 2 block tall water

[whole holly]

💀

[peak dock]

did yall fuck up the jump fatigue detection again

because apparently walking on lilypads gives you jump fatigue for like 3 seconds

and it triggers randomly on flat surfaces even

[brisk burrow]

frankly not possible

and if it is possible then the server has literally degenerated to a point

where it is completely making up random shit with your player motion

[upper galleon]

ly not possible

[brisk burrow]

i hereby strip you of the name frank in favour of the more broadly applicable word frankly

[upper galleon]

Let me be frank?

[brisk burrow]

no i just told you that's no longer you >:(

[upper galleon]

😦

[peak dock]

huh

i was trying to sprint away from the taken on the lilypads

and suddenly im walking with slowness because every drop from a normal block to a lilypad apparently triggered jump fatigue

kinda odd

[brisk burrow]

the wonders of the server hallucinating

[peak dock]

i assume this is from trying to fix the funny fish bug but idk

[brisk burrow]

no those are completely different

[peak dock]

also the amount of times exec did the funny glitch has decreased when we were playing so very cool

[brisk burrow]

i played 4 exec games today

none had any instances of it happening

[peak dock]

yeah we had one instance in bunker

where i hit cat from the other side of the map

[brisk burrow]

i have tested exec over 60 times on gm there is no shot that its broken

so i'll choose to believe its someone seeing things until video proof of this happening

that is less than 4h old from the timestamp of this message

[peak dock]

yeah

i think when it happened was like half four? so it may have been an old world

[upper galleon]

Big skill issue on cats part

[tiny grove]

jamp fatigue detection felt rlly shit yesterday we will see how it goes today

[peak dock]

can you stop trying to steal skye members smh

autumn is staying in skye

[upper galleon]

That's what you think 😉

[brisk burrow]

btb feedback thread btw

[upper galleon]

That's what you think 😉

[peak dock]

true we need to buff exec again make it have a 3x3 melee attack

[inland hornet]

me when i get jump fatigue mid chase

ok what the fuck

this

this gives you jump fatigue

[peak dock]

servers are schizophrenic apparently

happens on lilypads except it makes your jump fatigue stack so you end up being slowed for 5 seconds

[tiny grove]

idk if its jut me but the jamp fatigue was not this bad like 3 days ago

yesterday it started getting a bit silly

[fervent sorrel]

Speaking of player motion, is thorns not disabled? Why do I take damage when I hit some players?

[brisk burrow]

no idea

[fervent sorrel]

I have taken a lot of random damage recently in btb

Both as spirit and survivor

For spirit Im assuming its thorns, but then what damages me as survivor? It only happens close to the spirit, and its usually when they miss abilities or melees

So maybe their melee hit but their cone didnt?

So I took damage but I didnt get injured in btb?

Im obviously not using -hpr gear for btb, so its not that. I will slowly heal over time, but then Ill take damage randomly and have it heal back up again

[tiny grove]

dmg as in btb injured dmg or normal wynncraft hp dmg

[fervent sorrel]

normal wynncraft hp dmg

Happens as spirit when I attack people too

But not everyone, so Im assuming its thorns

Its just weird to take wynncraft dmg inside of btb. Since Im playing on lower level characters I have been fairly close to dying from it a few times. Would be funny to see what happens if I make a -hpr build and die to the wynncraft dmg though

Im fairly sure wynncraft death downs survivors, but it doesnt kill spirits

Well... Spirits die too but they respawn in the middle of the map

[topaz pollen]

impossible

nothing in the minigame uses actual player attack stuff

[ruby adder]

the terror in question

[topaz pollen]

thats not relevant here

you take a real damage tick when being hit as survivor or when stunned as spirit

& the terror's panic does it but thats obvious

[fervent sorrel]

Yeah those check out, but I have definitely taken damage as a spirit when I havent gotten stunned, but rather when I attacked. Maybe its the pufferfish strike back perk then, just kinda weird so many people pick it

[whole holly]

its a really funny perk ngl

abit useless since res has invuln but

its really funny

[inland hornet]

i suppose if you have soft hands selfcare

its funny to take

actually, strike back+no sprint trail seems kinda cracked no?

[tiny grove]

strike back is good for revive chaining 💀

[inland hornet]

when jump fatigue fix 🙏

[tiny grove]

yeah it feels worse than on release this year I think

[inland hornet]

yeah today it was miserable

like any downward shift in elevation seems to be able to give jump fatigue

was chasing a guy in bunker uppervines

got jump fatigue 3 times

another on the way down

and a 5th trying to chase the trail

[tiny grove]

i got jamp fatigued when i finished going up crypt well stairs, then again from going on a half slab mabye???

only played one game but it def felt worse

abt to change my :3 macro to I love jamp fatigue! :D

[ruby adder]

jamp fatigue!!! :3

[carmine sentinel]

=DDDDD

[topaz pollen]

uh

odd

[hollow hearth]

Random question but how does panic zealot’s inverted heartbeat radius work exactly

[topaz pollen]

if you are within the heartbeat radius (30 blocks), it basically flips your distance. at 0 blocks, it sounds like youre 30 blocks away. at 30 blocks, it sounds like youre 0 blocks away

[carmine sentinel]

i like it as an idea but it just doesn't really help pz actually do anything to confuse the players

i mean. i guess it helps a bit more on bunker compared to woods, but still

once you get used to it and how it works it doesnt really do anything

[peak dock]

it helps when you are running under pressure

on the other side of the map to the spirit

[inland hornet]

I mean as a spirit that's what you want

To confuse the survivors

btb is essentially seeing who can juke the other better

[harsh widget]

If you dumb it down ye

[hollow hearth]

Ah so it doesn’t remove the heartbeat completely even if you’re right next to someone

Thought it would outright remove it so you could stalk as long as you laid close

Though does “until you attack” mean any attack (even if you miss) or does it have to hit someone?

[brisk burrow]

if you use your attack at all the hunt ends and goes on a 15s cooldown

[wicked frost]

Oh, yeah, touching anvils always gives jump fatigue

[brisk burrow]

imagine a world where mojang had coded mc so that pressing jump sent a packet to the server

[inland hornet]

would also like to ask why players can't be given like infinite jump boost to just remove the ability to jump

While there are like 3 scenarios that you jump

The times where jump fatigue obliterates you is significantly more often

(3 scenarios being to juke over the double stairs elevated well in a corner of woods, jumping up vines, and jumping up ladders)

Would also help newer players, as some kinda can't read/didn't read the npc, and trying sprint jumping and then die

[brisk burrow]

This has been stated about umpteenth times.

Jump fatigue isn't about jumping, it's about sprint jumping.

Whenever you sprint jump, no matter the jump boost, no matter nothing, you gain a flat +0.2 velocity forwards.

This breaks the speed balance of the game in its entirety,

making sprint jumping the fastest travel and approximately the same speed accross a very wide range of walkspeeds

Sprint jumping cannot be stopped short of disabling your sprint, which you can probably tell is just not an option

The only way to make this not an issue is to make sprint jumping not worth it, by making it slow you down.

Unfortunately now, minecraft is a very well coded game with no internal problems at all, so it doesn't send any direct information that you jumped to the server

The server just kind of has to guess from the position and motion information it gets from your client.

This leads to the server hallucinating jumps where there aren't any

[inland hornet]

dang

is it possible to pin that

[brisk burrow]

And they are hardbaked into the position information we can get about the player

[inland hornet]

or not in a thread

[brisk burrow]

If wynncraft ever does upgrade to force everyone to play with 1.21.2

This could (presumeably) be fixed

Because mojang has added literal input predicates and that includes one for jumping

which (presumeably) forces the client to send that information to the server

But until then, we're kind of tough out of luck

Also 1.21 has the awesome property of breaking jump boost

so players that connect rn on it would just not be affected by negative jump boost

Truly just peak

And trust me, I have spent over like 20 hours at this point

Trying to engineer some way to make sense of the position data and engineer if the server hallucinated the jump or not

It's just not feasible without making jump fatigue wait like 2s before actually procing and even then it would be unreliable

[fervent sorrel]

yup, every half slab I walk down from gives me jump fatigue. Walking up half slabs is still like a 20% chance of jump fatigue 💀

Oh well, jump fatigue can somewhat be played around as long as you use the terrain wisely

Or just walk instead of sprint around certain areas

[brisk burrow]

it's a feature guys

[fervent sorrel]

Its weird how walking down counts as sprint jumping more than walking up does. I cant really wrap my head around it tbh

with walking up it makes sense since you are gaining upwards momentum, but walking down gives you airtime... Why would both of them give you jump fatigue when they sound like 2 completely different scenarios? And why would walking down give jump fatigue when falling down doesnt? That also gives airtime after all

Just weird stuff, ngl

If it was more consistent it could be used as a feature though, but rn its just a feelsbad mechanic. Even moreso as a spirit because you have those intervals of slowness already, thats disrupting your playstyle

[wicked frost]

The music when the exit gates are available is amazing, is it on the housing island jukebox?

[fervent sorrel]

Also, any reason why burrows sometimes cant be teleported to? The hitbox feels too small when you are sneaking inside of one

Could be skill issue though, but I often cant tp to one

[wicked frost]

I think they have a range limit?

[inland hornet]

more misfortune for vermin players

you love to see it

[fervent sorrel]

Its still a good spirit due to 15% walkspeed. But burrows being unreliable really messes up the flow of gameplay imo

[inland hornet]

well me no likely vermin

[fervent sorrel]

I almost got banished for the first time in like 10 games because I was stuck for over 10sec trying to go to the burrow I laid beforehand, and then had to walk over there instead....

[inland hornet]

(it's also kinda turbo shit for VC games)

someone gets chased, just go damage a burrow

then either the person getting chased gets away Scott free

Or a burrow is gone

[fervent sorrel]

Well yeah, but 6 burrows is often enough imo

[inland hornet]

I mean I've broken like 4 in a match before

[tiny grove]

mabye u are just playing with sily pfinder players then

[tiny grove]

[fervent sorrel]

I dont think I have ever ran out of burrows

[inland hornet]

cause anytime anyone got chased, I just instantly broke a burrow

Join the linny server

test your mettle

[fervent sorrel]

Nah, linny parties are responsible for 2/3rds of my banishments

[inland hornet]

so what you're saying is that you suck

[tiny grove]

type shi

[fervent sorrel]

no?

[inland hornet]

seems to be the vibe I'm getting

[fervent sorrel]

Im saying there is a huge difference between pfinder parties and 4 man parties

[inland hornet]

wow really?

I couldn't have guessed

[fervent sorrel]

Doomish, no need to be an ass about it 🤦‍♂️

[inland hornet]

I'm just sayin man pfinder isn't really comparable to 5 man parties

[fervent sorrel]

Obviously

[inland hornet]

Like are you gonna compare pfinder Annies to guild Annies

[fervent sorrel]

But the majority of players still use pfinder

[inland hornet]

ok but not willingly

Unless ur notch

most people if given the option prefer to 4 or 5 stack

[fervent sorrel]

I just think that vermin burrows should work like they used to

[inland hornet]

me personally I prefer 5, but 4 with idol is also nice

[fervent sorrel]

And not be inaccessible like 30% of the time

[inland hornet]

could also prolly use taken which is kinda the better vermin

at least imo

[fervent sorrel]

Taken is 10 walkspeed

[inland hornet]

taken can teleport directly onto players if you know the map well enough

with near 0 warning

[fervent sorrel]

I agree that its often better, but +50% effective walkspeed is pretty huge

[fervent sorrel]

True, but if you are good you can both hear and see taken

[inland hornet]

You can also hear vermin except it has like

[fervent sorrel]

Meanwhile vermin often places burrows in areas you would never use anyway

[inland hornet]

3s to run away

[fervent sorrel]

Yeah, taken is like 5s?

[inland hornet]

no?

it's like 1-1.5

[fervent sorrel]

You mean with the tentacle?

or without?

[inland hornet]

With ofc

[fervent sorrel]

but without its almost 5, its pretty slow

[inland hornet]

and why would you factor without

at most like if I hit someone and they run

[fervent sorrel]

Because most players dont use the tentacle, or miss

[inland hornet]

I just teleport in front of them

[inland hornet]

pfinder vs 5 stacks moment

[fervent sorrel]

Im not saying this is the way to balance BtB, however:

I think that since pfinder is the majority of games, the game should also mostly be balanced around that.

[inland hornet]

ofc it is

example: vermin

[fervent sorrel]

Terror is absolutely dog in 4-5 man parties, yet its pretty decent in pfinder

[inland hornet]

Terror is not dog in 4-5 lmao

[tiny grove]

yeah u can force them to trigger traps

also people r low-key blind as balla

(me)

[inland hornet]

4-5 naturally means that the terror is also better

[fervent sorrel]

Disarming trap range is pretty terrible, which means that a lot of people will sneak and unsneak and then triggering it

[inland hornet]

and knows better trap spots

[fervent sorrel]

Yeah, I like placing traps in 1-2 block doorways making it a forced disarm or forced trigger

[inland hornet]

Tbh I feel like I classify as a terror main

even tho I wanna be a keeper main

[fervent sorrel]

Im mostly a vermin main

Or keeper

[inland hornet]

bro lives in pfinder

[fervent sorrel]

I like high walkspeed

[inland hornet]

Honestly idk what's worse

the vanish guy or vermin in 5 stacks

[fervent sorrel]

Pfinder BtB is better than parties in my experience

[inland hornet]

how large parties

[fervent sorrel]

4?

[inland hornet]

Cause imo it's either 5 or bust

[fervent sorrel]

Fair

[inland hornet]

5 is a lot more fun for me

4 with idol can also be fun tho

[wicked frost]

fr, pfinder gives more variety

[inland hornet]

if the spirit is good

[fervent sorrel]

I guess, with 4 man parties you kinda just win in 3-8min every time

[inland hornet]

eh I like having hard games

[fervent sorrel]

unless you have the 1/10 games where you meet one thats actually very good

[inland hornet]

last night we had a 4 man and we kinda obliterated pfinder for like an hour

I think I stunned this one guy like 15 times

[fervent sorrel]

I mean... We lost 1

[inland hornet]

and then bagged him like 7 times after said stuns

[fervent sorrel]

Yeah, 9/10 free games. 1 difficult one

[inland hornet]

thus why 5 is better imo

no need to worry about finally getting spirit and having a guy dc

[fervent sorrel]

But thats not the point. The point is that vermin should be able to move to their own burrows from every part of the map like before

Instead of some being out of range

[inland hornet]

I don't think that's intentional

then again if the burrows are out of render distance

[fervent sorrel]

In the past at least, all burrows would get closer on the map so they would all always be in range even if they were technically outside of range

[inland hornet]

Not much CT can do about that

[fervent sorrel]

No, read what Im writing

[inland hornet]

Bro I typed it before you sent it

What do you want me to do, predict the future?

[fervent sorrel]

In the past they circumvented that by physically moving burrows closer visually

Yes

[inland hornet]

Real

[fervent sorrel]

But somehow thats broken now? Idk

[inland hornet]

Surely it gets patched along with jump fatigue

[fervent sorrel]

jump fatigue wont get patched

[fervent sorrel]

^

They tried. Its not doable in this mc version. Maybe next year they can fix it

[inland hornet]

No like

3 days ago

It was fine

Last night it was horrible

[fervent sorrel]

3 days ago you could sprintjump

[tiny grove]

5 if a lot more fun with good players

pfinde ri sjust like

so silly for now

[inland hornet]

I feel like people would have a bit more fun if it was reverted to 3 days ago tho

like spirits and survivors alike seem to hate it

[fervent sorrel]

I agree, since 3 days ago vermin also worked perfectly fine

[wicked frost]

what changed?

[tiny grove]

yeah lexnt and linny said smth got rolled bakc

for some reason

wynn 🔥

[inland hornet]

tbh prob also with why exec was broken for so long

even tho it was supposedly fixed a few days earlier

[fervent sorrel]

Probably yeah

[inland hornet]

well I'm gonna be home late today so surely it's patched by then

[tiny grove]

red inccorrect buzzer

👎

idk

[inland hornet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1221214721450049567/1295945775972614164/theicoer.gif

[tiny grove]

me

the drip is immaculate

[inland hornet]

can you edit it and add the text bubble if you've got time

I realized I forgot it

[tiny grove]

womp

[inland hornet]

womp

[fervent sorrel]

I guess it might clutter the hotbar a bit, but how about giving players information about the spirit abilities at the start of the game?

[tiny grove]

i mea

u can just hover over the items

[fervent sorrel]

Like one that says how to disarm traps

[tiny grove]

and they show how they work

oh fo survivors

[fervent sorrel]

Yeah

[tiny grove]

i mean that would give away the spirit you are fighting which kind of is nice

[fervent sorrel]

Because vermin burrows and terror traps disarm in different ways

[tiny grove]

there is text that shows up when u r nearby them that shows how to break /disarm

[fervent sorrel]

And also not a lot of people know how aledar works

[tiny grove]

but snares' text does not show up until u r very close

[fervent sorrel]

Or how the scarecrow guy haunts people

[tiny grove]

(which makes sense but is a bit unfortunate for new platyers womp)

[fervent sorrel]

Also people are kind of taught to not walk close to them

[inland hornet]

I mean

[fervent sorrel]

So its a bit ironic that you have to walk over them to disarm them

[inland hornet]

If you talk to the npc

It tells you

tbh tho I think that snares could be click to disarm instead

so that way you can sneak past em

[tiny grove]

yeah

[fervent sorrel]

Not really. I have had so many people that ask "Why am I getting oneshot?"

[tiny grove]

havin to disarm to go thru a snare is pretty helpful tho

[inland hornet]

Well sounds like a them problem

also the snares to crouch thing is kinda devious

[fervent sorrel]

True, but also you gotta remember a gamemode cant survive if only the sweats play it

[tiny grove]

also yeah pfinder aint talking to an npc for information but there is not rlly a better way other than playing as the spirit

i suppose

[fervent sorrel]

You gotta make the new player experience a bit smoother

[tiny grove]

or being told by other players

[inland hornet]

You also have to remember that having the ability to read is also a bare minimum

so y'know

Can't appeal to everyone

Maybe have a place to test yourself against fake spirits

[fervent sorrel]

I think the majority of players will want to read after getting killed by it once, but they cba going on the discord or wiki about it

[inland hornet]

like how some games let you see cosmetics

it's not on the wiki or discord tho

It's on an NPC like

10 blocks from the starting text

[fervent sorrel]

Hence why I think it would be cool to have the spirit weapons and general information be in the inventory of all survivors

Call it something like "broken spirit weapon", to signal that you cant actually use it

[inland hornet]

Maybe in the lobby?

like in perk selection

It shows up there

[tiny grove]

removes the element of suprise that does help the spirit tho
mabye when you die to the spirit u see how the spirit works

[inland hornet]

Oh yeah that

When ur a grave

It pops up

Maybe that

[tiny grove]

having replica versions of the weapons in the information guy could help learn how to use a spirit as well

[fervent sorrel]

Possibly yeah, but then that would be a ton of information to dump into player inventory. Maybe best to then have armor frames with text on the wall where you can see every spirit ability?

[tiny grove]

also nice for knowing cool downs

[fervent sorrel]

Kind of like a display hall?

[inland hornet]

well that seems eh

[tiny grove]

too much effort type shi

[fervent sorrel]

Kinda yeah

[inland hornet]

I think showing it when ur a grave is better

[fervent sorrel]

Thats fair yeah

You dont really have anything else to do anyway

[tame prism]

The executioner rework is really annoying. The scythe is now more like a totem, you cant easily deactive wells or break barriers as you have to swap your hand every time, and the scythe throwing mechanic seems really clunky and its not fun to play because of how annoying the accuracy is

[ruby adder]

@brisk burrow

[brisk burrow]

rework??

[ruby adder]

wdym more like a totem, what was it before?

[brisk burrow]

we did nothing to executioner since release

except fix bugs 😭

and like one semi-change to give her the same 3s of not being able to do further attacks

that everyone else has

deactivate wells???

Oh you mean the input priority

[ruby adder]

speaking of, pixel could you please make the keeper bow also ignore other actions over shooting

[brisk burrow]

sure that could be done

i do think there is greater value

in letting you use abilities

clearly made to circumvent blockades in some ways

then forcing the interaction to be breaking the blockade

when the adjustment you need to make to break it anyways

is quite literally scrolling or pressing two number keys

[gleaming tusk]

pleaaaaaase fix jump fatigue i beg

it's worse than ever rn

everything gives you jump fatigue even a 0.5 block fall on a slab, and sometimes you get it on air, and it's absolutely unplayable at times

[tiny grove]

yeah is known something prov got rolled back for some reason

[velvet parcel]

Why did they add locker oxygen?

[carmine sentinel]

people camping in lockers

[ruby adder]

^

to encourage people to not hide in lockers all game and ruin the game for their teammates

[velvet parcel]

I've never really seen that be a problem tbh

[carmine sentinel]

i have, it sucks a lot

[velvet parcel]

Huh

So will it kill you or injure you?

[carmine sentinel]

kill

[velvet parcel]

Hmmm

Ok

[carmine sentinel]

its very negligible once you know its a thing

[velvet parcel]

True but it does kind've weaken the sneak attack perk

[topaz pollen]

both

it deals a tick of damage

when it runs out

so if youre full health you can stay for 80s

[carmine sentinel]

oh

huh, thought it just killed you. ive seen people die to it often so i figured it didnt injure you

[ruby adder]

it does

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAYtuYf5KDs
first vid i watched for an example, this guy hides in a locker for ~48 seconds straight after seeing the heartbeat starting at ~8:27

this was filmed pre-oxygen addition

i was tryna find another vod where someone hid for their first game for like 5 minutes straight

its pretty common for ppls first couple games since they're scared and trying to learn stuff

[velvet parcel]

Do you guys take perk suggestions?

[ruby adder]

if you got some sure, it wouldnt be added this year but maybe next

[left canopy]

I agree it is horrible, it's like I'm in a real horror movie. Tripping over things that don't exist.

[ruby adder]

also unrelated but holy shit this is so painful to watch

[peak dock]

servers be hallucinating fr

[ruby adder]

no hate to the guy its his frist time

[velvet parcel]

What if there was a perk that could increase the distance you could heal teamates from. Or even better one that could make it doable through walls

[ruby adder]

but like christ the grave is right there dude

[peak dock]

nuh uh

not through walls

[ruby adder]

that sounds ridiculously niche

[peak dock]

give spirits the ability to see how much score they have

maybe as a counter on their weapon

just for like

essence ig

[tacit moon]

what if there was a perk that let you pull out a revolver and blast the spirit instantly killing it and winning the game

[peak dock]

rymek luke fr

there should be a perk that lets you repair a broken barricade

i think it would be cool

repair kit or smth

[velvet parcel]

I mean a lot of perks are like that and being able to heal from a distance would be pretty powerful when the spirit is camping someone

[ruby adder]

are you talking about healing or reviving

[peak dock]

resistance to jump fatigue one time every 120 seconds 🔥

[tacit moon]

rymek luke spirit: same as keeper but you have 6 shots instead of 1 with very little cooldown

[peak dock]

also i think narnia should have the ability to toggle when you tp

because sometimes you just want to be in the locker yk

[peak dock]

real

but you have to reload each shot individually when you run out of bullets

[velvet parcel]

Reviving lol

Sry

[fervent sorrel]

I gotta agree with Thglpxl this time, just swap to anything other than the scythe to do anything except attacking with the scythe

[velvet parcel]

Tbh I think a greater reviving distance would be cool

[tulip inlet]

@fervent sorrel found

[fervent sorrel]

Dont do it. It would make it even more annoying to play......

However, could you fix the other spirits instead? For example with vermin, when I right click blockades or spirit wells I am instead attacking, even though vermin doesnt even have an ability with the right click of the weapon

For spirits with a weapon that only has attack, it should not randomly attack instead of interacting when you are clicking right click, since right click isnt even the attack button

[tiny grove]

💀

[fervent sorrel]

But for spirits with weapons that have abilities with right click, you should prioritize the ability instead and rather teach people to swap to another hotbar slot

[topaz pollen]

this might be a vermin specific issue tbh

although

[fervent sorrel]

Possibly

[topaz pollen]

its meant to prioritize object interactions

over attacks

so this might be a lag issue yippee

[fervent sorrel]

I play with pretty significant lag yeah

Id rather want to have it not register rather than losing 1.5 sec due to a missed attack

[peak dock]

i love lag guys

amazing feature

[fervent sorrel]

If I was interacting with the attack button, then thats on me. But right click kinda feels like it should be primarily for other interactions, no?

[topaz pollen]

ill look at vermin. its possible spirits with only an attack on their main weapon have it bound to both rmb and lmb

i had a reason for doing that last year but it doesnt need to be there

[fervent sorrel]

Yeah I think its all that dont have a specific right click ability

[topaz pollen]

yeah thats the problem

well itll be fixed next time we push the map, though that likely wont be for a while

[tiny grove]

buh?

[fervent sorrel]

The issue with those in particular is that if you wanna swap with those spirits, you have to swap to the 3rd hotbar slot for an open hand

[tiny grove]

so jamp fatigue will be in its old state for longer buh..

[peak dock]

clearly in the perk selection lobby i should hold a cobalt gem

trust

[tiny grove]

we gotta revert the revert ASAP buh this new jamp fatigue is quite silly

[topaz pollen]

this doesnt need a map push

[tiny grove]

oh OK cool

[topaz pollen]

i just dont really know what is wrong with jump fatigue

[fervent sorrel]

Yeah it definitely became worse. It was also kinda annoying in the past, but not as bad as its been these last 2-3 days

[peak dock]

yeah

[topaz pollen]

its POSSIBLE something got reverted by accident but that also seems.,... strange? unlikely?

i requested a second push already to push things in case the first push didnt work and its still being weird

[peak dock]

aint no way jump fatigue triggers three times and the duration bloody stacks

like bruh

[tiny grove]

also if u trigger balanced landing while injured the skil won't give more speed duration and skill is put on cd

[fervent sorrel]

It seems to coincide with the executioner fix, but I dont really see how those 2 are connected

[topaz pollen]

....it stacks?

[tiny grove]

prov known with other skills but more annoying with balanced landing

[peak dock]

i had slowness for four seconds

like wtf

[topaz pollen]

well that definitely means the current version isnt on live

[tiny grove]

yeah it be like that

[fervent sorrel]

As spirit right?

[peak dock]

no

as survivor

[fervent sorrel]

oof

[peak dock]

yeah i died right after

[fervent sorrel]

Yeah because the spirit will get slowness randomly, thats intended

[peak dock]

to taken of all things

[fervent sorrel]

It goes off when exits can get charged iirc

[topaz pollen]

this isnt me being surprised by it stacking, btw. the old version did stack. but the new one doesnt

so something's wrong

[peak dock]

this was at like 7 hours ago tho

[topaz pollen]

yes

the second push was like

2 days ago

[peak dock]

huh

[fervent sorrel]

Spirit gets slowness once per minute right?

[topaz pollen]

no?

[fervent sorrel]

Huh

[topaz pollen]

what are you talking about

[peak dock]

mf is playing on hard mode

[inland hornet]

jump fatigue moment

[fervent sorrel]

Then why do I remember it saying when exit gates become available, that the spirit can no longer get slowed by x

[inland hornet]

huh

[fervent sorrel]

Am I schizo or something?

[topaz pollen]

let me go check that message

i think

youre thinking of it saying the spirit can no longer be banished

[inland hornet]

maybe ur thinking of dead by daylight or smth

[peak dock]

spirit can no longer be banished

[topaz pollen]

if time runs out on spirit well phase

[fervent sorrel]

ohhh

[topaz pollen]

The spirit can no longer be weakened

thats what it says

[fervent sorrel]

Yeah

I thought weakened = slowness

[topaz pollen]

nah

[fervent sorrel]

So its just me not watching my stamina bar then

Fair enough

[peak dock]

Theres a stamina bar?

crazy

[fervent sorrel]

... yes

[thick stump]

Permission number #4 **.sm utility disable ** is preventing this action.

[topaz pollen]

uh

no

[peak dock]

me when 1000% sprint

[fervent sorrel]

There 100% is

[topaz pollen]

theres the regular sprint bar sure but it lasts 10x as long

and recharges instantly if you stop sprinting

[fervent sorrel]

It still runs out

and doesnt recharge for like 2sec or so

[topaz pollen]

very easy to avoid

[fervent sorrel]

It aint instant

[topaz pollen]

well if you hit 0 then no its not

[fervent sorrel]

ye

[topaz pollen]

because in 2.1 sprint has a few second cooldown if you run out

[fervent sorrel]

yup

[topaz pollen]

just stop sprinting before it hits 0

[fervent sorrel]

Fair enough

Could you increase it to 100x though?

[peak dock]

tna berry room type stats

[fervent sorrel]

As spirit in particular I feel like chases sometimes get long enough to the point where it matters

[inland hornet]

what the

[gleaming tusk]

terror when the survivor simply runs:

[inland hornet]

no this dude mains vermin

idk what hes doing

[fervent sorrel]

I run after survivors, okay

Thats why I pick +15% ws spirits

[inland hornet]

bro even as terror my chases dont last that long

[peak dock]

exec when it isnt horribly broken:

[fervent sorrel]

I sprint between spirit wells

[inland hornet]

...

[thick stump]

Command Error

The input text has too few parameters.

**`.quoteprint`** **| `.qp`**

Prints a random quote with a specified name.

Usage

.quoteprint abc

Overloads

.quoteprint <keyword>

Admin may disable verbose errors via `.ve` command

[inland hornet]

but

[fervent sorrel]

and then continue sprinting when I see people

[inland hornet]

vermin?

what the

whats that

...

[thick stump]

Command Error

The input text has too few parameters.

**`.quoteprint`** **| `.qp`**

Prints a random quote with a specified name.

Usage

.quoteprint abc

Overloads

.quoteprint <keyword>

Admin may disable verbose errors via `.ve` command

[inland hornet]

huh

[peak dock]

also when komi decides to afk in the middle of a match

[fervent sorrel]

Did you just forget the vermin burrow bug we were talking about?

[gleaming tusk]

true#

[inland hornet]

then dont play it

[fervent sorrel]

Whats the point of wasting time on burrows if you cant enter them

[gleaming tusk]

"my dogs are yelling" leaves

[peak dock]

every game

[fervent sorrel]

I still play it for 15% walkspeed

[inland hornet]

im fairly sure other spirits have 15%

[fervent sorrel]

I played bugged executioner too

[inland hornet]

ok

[fervent sorrel]

Nope

[peak dock]

“i need to get more beer” leaves

[inland hornet]

bro does not get to complain

[fervent sorrel]

Taken is 10%, executioner is gonna be 10% too

[inland hornet]

willingly plays the broken stuff and then complains about it being broken

[fervent sorrel]

So its only vermin left

[gleaming tusk]

you are so glad you're not here rn

[peak dock]

I AM

I DONT HAVE TO DEAL WITH HER LETS GO

[gleaming tusk]

she offered xako 10stx to call me a good girl

i want death

[fervent sorrel]

stalker is 5%, terror 5%, keeper 10% and wanderer 10%. So yeah I play keeper and wanderer too

[peak dock]

i think komi should do that to you

ong

[fervent sorrel]

I play it for the walkspeed. I have said it before, Id rather play a spirit with 15-20% walkspeed and literally 0 abilites rather than stalker and terror

[peak dock]

i dislike wanderer personally

i play keeper and exec

[fervent sorrel]

I like him because hes so fast that I dont run out of stamina as often

[peak dock]

i think exec should have a 5x5 scythe hitbox

[fervent sorrel]

Also taken has pretty op teleports

[inland hornet]

have you considered why vermin has higher than average walk speed

[fervent sorrel]

because the ability is the weakest? Your point being?

[inland hornet]

idk man

maybe if you played slightly better spirits you woulnt have to rely on ws so much

[fervent sorrel]

I consider walkspeed the most important ability

[inland hornet]

the guy with a bow:

[fervent sorrel]

I mean, thats basically walkspeed when you think of it

[inland hornet]

buh

[fervent sorrel]

Its like you can hit someone from the other side of the map

[inland hornet]

this guy cant be real

[wicked frost]

What is the spirit being banished

what counts as banishment

[inland hornet]

all wells powered

(5)

[wicked frost]

ohh

[fervent sorrel]

all 5 spirit wells powered yeah

Its a bit confusing because it doesnt really debuff the spirit

[wicked frost]

but but they're not banished when you power all 5 wells, they hunt you anyway!

[fervent sorrel]

it just gives you more points

[inland hornet]

there is no strict win or lose persay

well

[peak dock]

it lets you trigger exit gates faster

[inland hornet]

all survivors escape is a win technically

so is all spirits dead for spirit

[fervent sorrel]

lose as spirit: Banished
lose as survivor: Dead

[peak dock]

same with running out of time

[inland hornet]

eh i count a gate being opened as a survivor win

[peak dock]

survivors have truly been banished to the beyond

[inland hornet]

hatch escape maybe not so much

[peak dock]

i think its +3 essence if you escape

[inland hornet]

unless its a hatch escape when someone else took a gate

[fervent sorrel]

Win as spirit: Not banished and you kill everyone
Win as survivor: Banish and went through any exit
Draw: Not banished and survivor dies

kinda?

[inland hornet]

survivor win: you escape
spirit win: at least one person killed

[fervent sorrel]

Hatch escape gives the same points, no?

[inland hornet]

yeah but like its what i count as a dub

[fervent sorrel]

fair

[inland hornet]

its way more bm to hatch escape when a gate is open

and whoever gets bmed hardest is ultimately the loser

[ruby adder]

bro 😭

[topaz pollen]

it gives a bit more i believe

[fervent sorrel]

If I kill everyone except the one that uses hatch escape, and I also dont get banished: Then I consider that a win.

[peak dock]

guys

i think exec should have multihit

trust

give me back multihit

[fervent sorrel]

I wasnt entirely wrong, but I was mostly wrong

[inland hornet]

give it acro mulitihit fr

[ruby adder]

do you play this game like a racing game

[fervent sorrel]

Yes

[ruby adder]

never stop sprinting even for a second

for like 2 minutes straight

[fervent sorrel]

Also yes

[peak dock]

lmaoooo

[ruby adder]

this guy mains pyro

[inland hornet]

bro is sprinting inside a burrow

[peak dock]

Bro sprints inside lockers and reveals his position

[inland hornet]

real

tbh i might do that in the future

to suprise strike

[peak dock]

lol

[inland hornet]

speaking of suprise strike and bm

last night we giga bmed a guy

3 ppl on a well

pallent stunned

then stunned as stalker

then locker stunned

[peak dock]

lmaooo

triple stun is crazy

[inland hornet]

and both gates opened

all 3 escaped

i took hatch

[fervent sorrel]

As a survivor I sprint like 90% of the time that Im not powering wells or healing/reviving. But at least survivor has enough downtime that its not a continuous sprint

[peak dock]

but did you have ironwood blockade

[inland hornet]

yes

lol

first perk

[ruby adder]

😭

[peak dock]

lmao

[inland hornet]

if 4 stacking with idol you legally have to take ironwood

[peak dock]

4 stacking with idol in pfinder is so goofy

[fervent sorrel]

When 4 stacking with idol, you always take offensive traits.... Except self revive, thats just too broken

Or healing streak

[peak dock]

soft handed healing streak mfs

soft handed healing streak self care

[ruby adder]

me when i healing streak soft handed self care

[peak dock]

ong

[ruby adder]

and insta heal in front of the spirit

[peak dock]

lmaoo

how fast is it actually at max stacks

[fervent sorrel]

They dont have perfect synergy though

[ruby adder]

healing streak doesnt get a stack for self healing

but it does effect the self heal speed if youve healed other ppl

[peak dock]

yeah

[fervent sorrel]

30 sec x (100+100+60)/100 ig

[peak dock]

also whats the fastest you can power a well solo

theres concorde

under pressure

are there any others

[ruby adder]

55% faster max

with those 2

[peak dock]

ya

clearly take deception veil here

[ruby adder]

@topaz pollen wells are 120s right?

[fervent sorrel]

Isnt it 100s?

[ruby adder]

so max solo speed would be 66s

[peak dock]

no its definitely longer than 100s

[fervent sorrel]

Is my math correct when its 11.53sec as the fastest healing?

So thats just a healing from an ally at that point

[topaz pollen]

ill check

[fervent sorrel]

100x30/(100+100+60)

[topaz pollen]

it is 1% per 1.2s

so 120s yes

[topaz pollen]

these are multiplicative actually

so its like

[fervent sorrel]

That makes sense. From now on I wont finish a well when its at 50% and an ally died

[topaz pollen]

120 / 1.2 / 1.35

oh thats worse than your calcs lol

74s

[inland hornet]

rare multiplicative wynn moment

[topaz pollen]

wait no your calcs are assuming -X% from the time

[fervent sorrel]

77.41935484s if additive

he calculated it wrong

[topaz pollen]

yeah

[fervent sorrel]

well, I guess Ill stop sprinting for 2min straight then

[inland hornet]

or like

when damaging a well

[fervent sorrel]

Even though it would be a cool mechanic to have as the spirit

[inland hornet]

what would be

[fervent sorrel]

That your sprint breaks more easily than a survivor, so you cant just chase 24/7

[inland hornet]

well

that'd also be kinda aids

and that is the reason why spirits are faster at base

realistically as long as you can see a sprint trail

you should catch within 2m

[fervent sorrel]

yeah, but if you dont sprint towards a well, you are just losing time

every 1.2sec is 1 well point. Spint vs no sprint is what? +30%

[inland hornet]

i mean

damaging wells

[fervent sorrel]

Assume you are going between wells 50% of the time and chasing/doing other things 50% of the time

50% of the time you are giving the survivors 1.3x as much time to charge a well

So wells are getting charged 15% faster on avg

However its additive and not multiplicative, so its less than 15%

But thats besides the point

[inland hornet]

also wacking a survivor slows you down

so might as well let sprint recharge there

[fervent sorrel]

Sprint still gives you a bonus movespeed during the cooldown

[inland hornet]

very slight tho

i dont do it at least

its a good a time as any to not be sprinting

[fervent sorrel]

Yeah, its +30%. But +30% of like 0.5 blocks per sec....

[inland hornet]

you lose like what, maybe one block of movement from not sprinting after hit delay?

[fervent sorrel]

Maybe 0.5-1 blocks yeah

[inland hornet]

yeah better lose that than anywhere else

[fervent sorrel]

True. Also turning off and on sprint only takes like 0.2-0.5sec

so you will lose a LOT less than that

[inland hornet]

(i actually dont do that cuz i use toggle sprint lmao)

[fervent sorrel]

if you just use the downtime to refresh sprint

[fervent sorrel]

I started minecraft before the sprint key was added

[inland hornet]

good for you

[fervent sorrel]

W+W is the OG way

[inland hornet]

tbh ww is my preferred way

but not for wynn

[fervent sorrel]

But yeah, its objectively worse to use ww than a designated sprint key

due to no time loss

also sprint bugs

[inland hornet]

for pvp its better ig

[fervent sorrel]

yup

pvp and parkour

but regular gameplay, its a bit too minmax-y for me

And that says a lot, because I like minmaxing stuff

[left canopy]

can jump fatigue not activate every time I walk down a slab

[inland hornet]

no its a neccesary game mechanic fr

[left canopy]

I would prefer to die by my own stupidy, not random chance

[fervent sorrel]

Not adhering to the strict jump fatigue rules is a form of stupidity

[topaz pollen]

its a bug

something got reverted somehow and i'm not sure how

[inland hornet]

yeah didnt you know you're never supposed to walk on slabs

i recommend installing wurst client and just flying

[fervent sorrel]

Common mistake

[left canopy]

I am so happy it's a bug and not intended

[fervent sorrel]

I avoid slabs like the plague. Ill even take detours if it means I avoid them, because I know the spirit will go on them and get jump fatigued

[inland hornet]

if you fix it by tonight ill paypal you my math homework

🙏

[topaz pollen]

no promises

[inland hornet]

but its not a no

[pseudo maple]

i love falling 0.01 blocks and getting jump

disable

[fervent sorrel]

His math homework: Imaginary numbers

[inland hornet]

nah my math hw is literally more letters than numbers

lemme send a pic

and its upside down ok

[fervent sorrel]

l'hospital, stonks

U have fun math hw

[fervent sorrel]

I like curling at the gym, not curls in math

[inland hornet]

like i fr lost it at that third step

wait nvm i think i just got it

[fervent sorrel]

ah, nah that stuff is still very basic.. It gets worse... A lot worse

[inland hornet]

its moreso about how f(x)/g(x) became g'(x) times f(x)

[fervent sorrel]

To this day I still dont know what is the point of solving a heat equation, because my math professors never gave us any data that actually needed to be solved

[inland hornet]

and where that extra g(x) in the denominator came from

(or basically how that entire 3rd step came into existence)

[fervent sorrel]

Definition proving is ait, but I hate proving the definition of stuff like furier transformation

[inland hornet]

like yeah tbf i dont need to know this

but like

[fervent sorrel]

The entire point of a fourier transform is to have practical solutions for non-solveable equations

[inland hornet]

i would like to

[fervent sorrel]

nah, u did need to know your HW

[inland hornet]

nah this aint even hw

its the tutorial page

thus why i have it copied if i dont understand it

[fervent sorrel]

quotient rule is so widely used its good that you are taught why it works and not just using it over and over "because thats how it is"

But proofs on tests are just annoying since its like 4 pages of words instead of actually doing something

Every time I did a math test and I got a proof, it was like a 15 minute penalty

Kind of like getting a random jump fatigue

[inland hornet]

yeah i hope i never get that far in math

[fervent sorrel]

I mean, if you are doing differential equations, you are probably gonna do more advanced stuff later

so just get good foundations or you will get lots of bad grades like me when it builds upon those foundations.

[crisp yoke]

in conclusion: btb is hard

[velvet parcel]

Does anyone else think Narnia should get a slight cooldown buff?

Like 90 seconds is kinda backbreaking in a game.

[whole holly]

i am so not a fan of executioner having 15%ws but aside of that

[tiny grove]

yeah it should be getting 10 eventually

surely

[wicked frost]

Rat:

[fervent sorrel]

The biggest buff it needs imo is a timer so you can exit if you are going to be found before it goes off

Because both narnia and surprise strike are abilities that just feel like you are dying randomly even though you waited for 8sec

[peak dock]

I love when narnia teleport me to the locker next to me

[fervent sorrel]

Happens all the time in church

Hence why surprise strike is honestly better. Also its better since it gives you points while narnia.... doesnt

[fervent sorrel]

Executioner was only OP because of the bug. When it gets fully fixed, Id rather want the slowness effect from having the scythe out work faster (or instantly like it does for Keeper) rather than giving it 10% walkspeed. Spirits should feel stronger than survivors, but right now I feel like Im winning 90% of my games as a survivor....

Being a spirit is harder than being a survivor imo. You gotta be in action 100% of the time, while a survivor can chill at a lot of well locations. You also usually have to hit an enemy twice in under 1 minute to actually down them, which means you give up a lot of well power unless the survivor ran into multiple wells. When all spirits are losing their movement speed, it just makes the game harder for the spirit.

Dont get me wrong. A lot of the reasons why spirits often lose, is because of parties or that people have a lot less experience as a spirit than as a survivor simply due to how the game works. But I dont like that spirits are consistently nerfed when they dont really feel all that oppressive

[wicked frost]

Generally I found as a spirit just guarding one specific side of the map where 3 or 4 Wells are close to each other makes it almost impossible for survivors to get any meaningful charge unless you chase them away to the other side of the map

[fervent sorrel]

True, but most survivors dont scout the map before it begins to check all well locations

I dont even bother with that tbh. I just do 1 well at the start and then I do a circle to see which well locations are closest. Because assuming the rest of my team is pfinder, they will do the easiest wells first. Which means then Ill generally begin with the hardest wells

Its why as a spirit I have like 3 well locations I only check if I didnt find any survivors on the other ones, because I know those well locations will mess me up at 3-4/5 wells.

And even then, Ill only check that well if there is an injured survivor so they cant heal back up for free

[whole holly]

bleh scythe throws just generally good so its fairly easier for them to secure kills

[fervent sorrel]

A good survivor team will always beat a good spirit imo. And I dont think that is necessarily bad, I just think that if spirits keep getting nerfed that it will become kinda boring as a survivor

[fervent sorrel]

Not really. When the scythe isnt bugged, its extremely difficult hitting people with it

In 9/10 cases its worse than keeper

[whole holly]

not being able to play to stun them feels quite rough

[fervent sorrel]

The scythe shouldnt be able to go past walls, so you can just camp corners when trying to stun a spirit

But then again, with the bug it didnt just go through walls, it went through multiple layers of walls

Maybe its just skill issue on my part as executioner, but I found it pretty hard to kill survivors with the scythe unless the players were just bad. The scythe attack was more of a strategic way to block exits and to try to force players into a corner than a way to kill them from far away

Meanwhile as keeper I could have just shot them in 0.5sec

But then again, as I said it could definitely just be a skill issue on my part. I dont play a ton of executioner, so Im probably not the best player to talk about executioner balance.

[velvet parcel]

Yeah I still think they need to buff Narnia it's so close to being good but there's just so many downsides to playing it

[fervent sorrel]

Narnia should probably not go to the locker next to the one you went to... Or like have a minimum of 5 block distance

[whole holly]

narnia needs to be togglable and yeah, radius

if narnias togglable, surprised strikes gonna be HOT

also remind me to visit the seer in 10 hours

[fervent sorrel]

True, if you could chain narnia and surprise strike, that would be crazy

I dont even think it would be OP

[fervent sorrel]

But it would be very funny

[whole holly]

p sure we all do love spectral tickets

[fervent sorrel]

They kinda worthless, no?

But 50 is still like 25le worth of stuff ig

[whole holly]

gets you more spectral shards and uh...i think exclusive?

[fervent sorrel]

basically a free annie

I guess it might be worth around 1le per if you consider the exclusive items, but the exclusive items all looked bad imo

[brisk burrow]

This renders the power almost entirely unuseable except in the boring way where it ends up playing exactly like keeper cutting someone off in a straight line

[brisk burrow]

The bug was like very clearly a super broken hitbox, it partains to like nothing about what executioner is

[fervent sorrel]

Yeah thats fair

[brisk burrow]

This is actually interesting to hear

Because i have heard other people say survivor is like clearly disadvantaged

[fervent sorrel]

I just meant that if it cant hit around walls, its going to hurt it a lot if it moves to 10% walkspeed

[brisk burrow]

and that a good spirit could never lose

[fervent sorrel]

Sounds like the game balance is in a pretty good spot if there are conflicting opinions then 👌

[brisk burrow]

The scythe being able to go through walls and hit through them when retracted is intentional and not going anywhere

[fervent sorrel]

I meant like, going through walls when you throw it. When you pull it back, it can obviously go through everything

[brisk burrow]

Well yeah the going through walls for placing is essential to be able to place it at choke points

though tbf that is only one aspect of how to use it

Using arc sweeping is probably the more common and powerful usecase

[fervent sorrel]

Because it really bugged out when I was trying to throw it last time I played as executioner. It wouldnt let me place it behind walls a lot of the time, and apparently other players werent able to either, because I hid behind barriers and didnt get hit

[brisk burrow]

the placement box of the scythe is around 3.0x3.0

so you can't place it in 2.0x2.0 corridors

[fervent sorrel]

Yup, that was the issue

[brisk burrow]

which there admittedly aren't very many

[fervent sorrel]

There are a lot in bunker. And also some in church

Would it make it too broken if the placement box was 1x1?

And the hitbox stayed the same?

That way you could be able to create chokepoints way more effectively

Maybe this is just me, but I always dislike when I think Im able to do something with a spirit, and it doesnt let me. The exceptions to the rule sometimes feel so bad that it de-incentivices following the rule to begin with. Like the scythe sometimes not being able to get placed inside of corridors because there isnt enough space.
Or vermin burrows not being accessible from the entire map

[brisk burrow]

I can possibly lower the placement box

But lower ones tend to run into the issue

where the scythe will go as far as possible (that's just the algorithm) and therefore be placed very close to walls

which often leaves an opening at the other side

and placing it more exactly is extremely fiddly

[fervent sorrel]

Hmm yeah, it sounds like a lot of devwork if the entire map has to be mapped out for "possible scythe locations"

To avoid it always mapping onto a a wall

[brisk burrow]

well not even that

the problem is it's surprisingly hard to guess player intentions

from just a direction

when along that direction there is like 8 (more like 100 if it's very granular) different possible scythe locations

[fervent sorrel]

Makes sense, but isnt how long you press it also how far along it goes?

[brisk burrow]

yeah that's the way you can place scythes closer if there is something above or below

[fervent sorrel]

So what if you just force players to get better at that?

[brisk burrow]

server lag :)

[fervent sorrel]

Also very valid

[brisk burrow]

i could make it super free

and have like 0x0 placement box and just say

get gud at using the chargeup

but then the server running scripts at funky speeds messes up placement a lot

in a way that you have even less control over

[fervent sorrel]

wouldnt 1x1 placement box then be a good middle ground?

After all, why would you place a scythe down where there isnt a walkable block?

[brisk burrow]

well the scythe already only snaps

to blocks that are walkable

[fervent sorrel]

It snaps to 3x3 though

[brisk burrow]

(some QA work is being finished on mapping that out)

[fervent sorrel]

So it cant snap into tight walkways

[brisk burrow]

well 1x1 also lets the scythe clip quite hard into walls

[fervent sorrel]

It should have visible outlines anyway though, except the few times that bug

[brisk burrow]

i can look into the placement algorithm more

but after having used executioner in like at least 20 games

i've never encountered situations where the current placement really screwed you over

[fervent sorrel]

Nah, dont worry about it all that much. This is just something I noticed, it might not even be a common issue

[brisk burrow]

i can probably lower placement box a little bit and try it out a bit, i'll see

[fervent sorrel]

If people know it cant be placed in 1x1 and 2x2 areas, they will just learn to place it at the exit point of those areas anyway

Because there are no 1x1 and 2x2 areas that dont connect to a 3x3 area in under a 8ish block distance, except maybe the dirt vine area in bunker

[gleaming tusk]

is there a reason why stunning stalker with line of sight doesn't give any points?

considering disarming snares and destroying burrows gives points, i feel like stalker stuns should give points too

[fervent sorrel]

disarming a snare gives 1 point btw

and burrow isnt that much, 10 maybe?

But I agree, everything helpful should give points. Honestly even being in range of a spirit should give points

Even if its only 1 point per 10 sec

[gleaming tusk]

10 then 5 then 1

[fervent sorrel]

fair enough

[gleaming tusk]

i love playing spirit when the server is tps spiking

i stare at spirit for 2sec and it does not register at all and i die

[fervent sorrel]

avg wynn experience

[inland hornet]

premonition+underpressure:

[topaz pollen]

yeah probably

we didnt put too much thought into score from new things this year but we probably should have

[gleaming tusk]

fair enough

[random bronze]

what a beacon spot

[fervent sorrel]

Its not that bad. You can stand inside of the dead guy, also you can charge it from outside the hole

Also it gives a decent vantage spot without getting seen by spirits

[random bronze]

i meant that the escape beacon spawned inside of the well

[fervent sorrel]

Oh Im dumb

[random bronze]

yeah its hard to see

LOL

[fervent sorrel]

Yeah... That should not be a thing

And its the beacon noone uses too, so its even worse

Im just gonna assume this is what happened every time I have spent like 2min looking for an escape beacon and didnt find it

[carmine sentinel]

wtf 💀

[upper galleon]

The dead chap with the mining helmet always messes me up

[fervent sorrel]

One day someone is gonna use an identical skin and hide inside of it and noone will be able to tell

But then again, people just use wood skins instead

[upper galleon]

Have people been trying the texture pack skins

Ah there we go

[fervent sorrel]

A LOT

Even felix used it.... smh

Also I have seen people with spirit skins

But thats mostly just messing up your own chances of getting healed

Or black skins and hoping the other person isnt using fullbright from wynntils

[upper galleon]

Mfw when the stalker looks at me and instead of pouncing, requests a heal

[fervent sorrel]

Yup

[topaz pollen]

incredible

not sure how this is happening actually

guh

[inland hornet]

the giant humming noise:

[upper galleon]

It's in your head

[peak dock]

i did not actually know you can shoot through iron bars as keeper

extremely useful knowledge on woods

[topaz pollen]

the keeper's bow respects all block collision

& goes through barriers

[inland hornet]

doesnt sound like it respects all block collision then

[carmine sentinel]

oh does it now…

bridge well shenanigans abound

[random bronze]

no reeally a feedback but hooray

[inland hornet]

no construtive feedback

ban this guy

[random bronze]

crying

sobbing even

[inland hornet]

cry into your mask

[random bronze]

its a bit freaky

gladly my last year one is more nice to me

[topaz pollen]

respects block collision in that it can go through the gap in slabs and such

it goes through barriers so that its able to fly through blockades

[fervent sorrel]

What about the parts in bunker you can see past?

I have gotten hunted through the death ladder fence, but I have never been able to hit anyone through the seethrough part in the hallway

[topaz pollen]

yes

you can shoot through those

[hollow hearth]

Narnia should probably mention that it automatically teleports you instead of using a "you may teleport yourself"

[wicked frost]

Tfw you want to surprise attack but narnia yoinks you

[brisk burrow]

No, it should just get the change that we wanted to give it which is making the teleporting an item.

[tiny grove]

seer is the og timezone issue fr..

[analog bay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1147299254080126978/1295460326942183536/watermark.gif

Seer is not BTB

[tame prism]

its spirit festival related

[analog bay]

Also, Seer is like drastically less important than Anni + not the only way to obtain tickets

[inland hornet]

what do you even get from the tickets anyhow

it says exclusive items but like

of what variety

[velvet parcel]

There's a mask and a map art

[inland hornet]

oh neat