Banish The Beyond Feedback Thread

[safe junco]

a lot of them

[bold anchor]

for games that are generally well balanced and have been balancing around nearly exactly the same aim, perks, objectives and kits

[ocean marsh]

& if you hit an invuln player with an attack, it runs the miss cooldown & sends you a msg w/ a sound

[bold anchor]

their balancing decisions are. pretty important

[peak lance]

i have literally never seen white particles around a player

is it on the floor

[safe junco]

do you have a particle culling mod maybe?

no

[ocean marsh]

how're your particle display settings

[safe junco]

all around them

[spring needle]

We are taking balancing this game seriously, im sorry if you disagree

[bold anchor]

i did not say that?

i said that their findings in how to balance this type of game, what is strong, what is weak

translates especially well into this game

[peak lance]

they're maxed and i don't have a los culling mod for particles

[ocean marsh]

shrug

i know theyre definitely there

[peak lance]

well speaking of particles maybe player effects should be turned off for the minigame?

[ocean marsh]

im not sure if we can

[peak lance]

ah

well that's fine then, if a player wants to disadvantage themselves with huge particle wings that's their problem i guess

[spring needle]

yeah but there are some key differences between the games and it feels like you're discrediting those and insinuating that we should be taking direct ties from similar games in order to balance btb, which I disagree with. for example, unlike dbd (the game we were inspired by), you are revived fully healthy. as such, we dont have as much emphasis on healing perks (theres only 1 rn), as typically >50% of healing in a dbd match is after unhooking

[bold anchor]

idk what u want to hear

im saying that 30sec invulnerability is super strong, because its strong in this game, its strong in idv and unbreakable is strong in dbd

broken ankles is super strong in this game

[spring needle]

im asking you to explain why its strong without comparing it to other games

[safe junco]

its really not that strong in this game if the killer just

[bold anchor]

goddamit its other name

[safe junco]

ignorse the person 🤯

[spring needle]

(also unbreakable is more similar to Not Done Yet not Renewed Hope)

[safe junco]

it also goes away the second the person with invincibility literally does anything

like i really dont think you have played many games as killer...

[vast shell]

i think it was op as shit during gate phase

[bold anchor]

i got the name wrong

[safe junco]

yeah during gate phase

[vast shell]

but now that thats gone yeah its fine imo

[bold anchor]

its a different wrong

[safe junco]

but that is no more

[polar blade]

it seems fine to me

[spring needle]

the primary uses of renewed hope is to

1. not get tunnelled out of the game
2. take body block hits for other survivors

[polar blade]

and ngl survivors are pretty weak atm a perk being too strong here and there is whatever

[bold anchor]

pointing out its strong means that its easier to identify what perks make surv weak

goes both ways

[polar blade]

i mean sure

just seems like ur dwelling too much on this one pretty average perk

[safe junco]

fr

[bold anchor]

im not trying to make this the be all and end all but when i try explain it im getting piled so i try defend

pls dont confuse me and think this is the only feedback i have

[peak lance]

does healing streak reset on death btw

[spring needle]

which perks are too strong?

[polar blade]

fair enough I didn’t really read everything posted earlier

[ocean marsh]

loses 1 state now

[peak lance]

i read somewhere that it does but the perk doesn't say anything about that

[polar blade]

just wanted to chime in my two cents about that one perk

[ocean marsh]

it used to fully reset

[peak lance]

ic

would be good for the perk to say that

[ocean marsh]

......shoot did i still not add that to the item description

[peak lance]

i know it's implied by streak but still

[ocean marsh]

i guess i forgot

[vast shell]

MASSIVE parkouring

[bold anchor]

anyway, big text for perks in general

perks are useful and make the game fun at a baseline when they can at least be triggered in the round and be used by the player.
that means that the direct reason why endgame perks may feel kind of shit is because they arent triggerable until the end, and even then they have a low chance of being useful. the key reason that makes players hate aspects of idv and dbd is lack of agency. Sangria, and the dbd counterpart nurse feel bad to play against because they are so consistent, and will ensure a down quickly regardless of what the player can do. its lack of agency, not necceasrily that the hunter has strength

so when we want to talk about perks, broken ankles has a very high chance of being useful ina agame. the 30sec one is always useful. not done yet, feels good blood rush

And when we talk about perks that feel bad to use, its usually because they are incredibly situational and have a low chance of triggering or feeling useful: so id say

premonition: because you dont know when other survivors are being chased, knowing the hunter is even further away from u isnt exactly useful. they may be passing by, and it sends you running. Even if you are being chased, it gives you maybe 3 seconds headstart, and thats given you know what direction youre running in. it could make u start running to them.
Endgame ones: survivor syndrome: rare chance of triggering and being useful, but i guess you may pick it up last? i dont think id ever pick it over any of the others unless im already the last one.
Light in tunnel: conditional to extreme- idv has one similar but the difference is it can heal a downed survivor. light is essentially cutting the number of situations it will be used in by half, and considering a kite between the first hit to make a character injured and to down them may only be a 10-30sec window, the chance of this healing someone that needs it is incredibly low.
healing streak:

[vast shell]

also the Mael players in my game have been having issues shooting

[bold anchor]

as said before this game focuses very lowly on healing, healing a lot of characters isnt even that useful, and the main thing, because you have no way of knowing where they are its so incredibly niche and not often used

[vast shell]

also ^ makes sense to me but i dont think theres much wrong with having better or worse perks

[safe junco]

i love playing deceased by dawn

🥺

[vast shell]

imo healing is op

in this game. if thats what youre talking about

its just that perks dont play around healing much

[bold anchor]

idk is it important or not

i dont think there are many situations a hunter injures a survivor and then either looses them or decides not to down

(ie i agree with tealy)

[vast shell]

honestly i will just wound people and go for another person a lot. assuming i see more than one person or i need to go to the next well to stop it. but yea fair

[bold anchor]

in a game where u can survive 3 downs, its saving far more time to just let urself exist on injured state and let someone rescue u and get u healed to full

[spring needle]

1. nurse isnt strong because shes consistent, shes strong because she can teleport through walls and pallets and fundamentally ignores the defenses that survivors can use against every other killer.

2. yes there are some perks that get more consistent use than others. Renewed hope (30s invuln) is not always useful, as if you wanna get use out of it, you need the spirit to be trying to attack you, which they often won't. If you do anything productive, invulnerability ends.

3. Premonition is helpful for new players who need the extra warning, however besides this, yes, its a less useful perk than others, that is by design. Its for noobs.

4. Light in the Tunnel is an adaptation of Adrenaline from DBD, which is one of the strongest perks in the entire game. This is because its an instant heal at a critical part of the game.

5. Healing is strong in this game, it just occurs less. Getting good use of healing streak is very beneficial when you can get it, and its a life saver in drawn out games where a spirit is trying to hold down the last 3 spirit wells.

[vast shell]

i mean.. maybe against bad killers sure

[bold anchor]

the reason adrenaline is storng is because you can see when someone has been injured and downed so u choose when to pop gen

not strong here at all

[vast shell]

also i agree light in the tunnel is kind of ass in this game

ive tried to get it to work but that just results in me intentionally taking hits lol

[bold anchor]

also reread 1

thats the definition of removing agency from the player and why people hate her

also blood rush unbelivably good

its better for noobs than premonition

[peak lance]

on the topic of agency can well and barrier destruction be swapped to right click

it is so so easy to miss an easy kill by the game choosing to lock u into destroying something instead of attacking

[bold anchor]

also again u didnt even adress the issue that premonition just makes u run when the hunter is in the same quater of the map as u and potentially running into them

[near slate]

I remember day 1, where I thought it would be like, a rotation thing with different challenges every few days, because both the maps were labeled, and midgame they were labeled spirit wells

[ocean marsh]

yea im aware but i havent been able to recreate it on testing servers so i have no idea how it happens

[ocean marsh]

on the list

[lucid wolf]

at this point i just jump down all the stairs

i wouldnt be surprised if it's same speed as if you were to sprint straight down the stairs without getting jump fatigue (which is literally impossible)

but the jump shoots u pretty far and kills any risk of getting fatigued multiple times, like going straight down the steps often does

[bold anchor]

Idk why there isn't just - 1000 jh

And make sure the maps are traversable without jh

[ocean marsh]

the jump prevention is to prevent sprint jumping

making it so the player cant jump at all still lets them spam jump while sprinting to go super fast

[bold anchor]

Oh yeah forgot that works

[chrome dirge]

Give them jump height 300 and have a death plane at the top of the map

Problem solved

[vast shell]

i jump stairs on killer ngl

[civic token]

for seom reason icant use the barricades consisntelty when i take countermeasures

liek i spam right clcik

and nothing hapens

only happens when spirit is nearby too

such a cool perk too i can plan my routes whiel ebing chasing insteaad of hoping that a barricade is nearby where im running

still got 11 essence tho :3

also can u make it so the spirit knos how much score they have in the effects list or on the weapon or smth

would be nice to be able to see how many points each action gives(understandable if u dont add it bc fo this lo)

[carmine bay]

🧀

[vivid quail]

question, if people are blatantly using some kind of cheat as spirit allowing them to see players easily (not just hades since it worked on everyone) would that be bannable?

just had a game die to a player who was very blatantly using some sort of cheat to locate us

[spring needle]

@safe junco

id say yes but its up to mod team

would need proof though

[vast shell]

the shader reloaders…….

[vivid quail]

was the same game we just played (im misuzuu)

they just lazered straight to us pretty much every time lmao

[spring needle]

insane

[vivid quail]

saw me through walls and saw me in a locker despite the fact that they were quite far away when i went in and there was no way to tell i was there (0% spirit well, no sprinting, they didnt see me) etc

other players also expressed the same concerns

[fathom fossil]

If you are sprinting in a locker, the spirit can see the trails

[vivid quail]

no i wasnt

[fathom fossil]

🤷

[vivid quail]

i didnt sprint and they were off elsewhere chasing someone else, chased them into the top of church when i was already in a locker way before and then just ran straight to my locker and killed me after killing the person they were chasing

and other times they saw me basically through walls where it wasnt normal to see me at all

[vast shell]

get replay mod and record games they’re killer ig

[vivid quail]

idk if i can since i use launchy

actually it probably has a mod folder somewhere

[vast shell]

no clue, i don’t use launchy or replaymod so

[vivid quail]

ah

[peak lance]

launchy is just a modmanager, you should be able to add replay mod no problem

[vivid quail]

yeah probably

[last fractal]

me when Im at 699 points 💀

so close to 14 essence

played as wanderer cause no taken/terror and well, its still super op

[fathom fossil]

I think it should have a heartbeat radius but just smaller

[vivid quail]

ive been trying to brainstorm buff ideas for keeper that fit with the theme of being old

but being old has no advantages

[fathom fossil]

make shot targets glow

idk

but tbh its not even terrible rn

[vivid quail]

it is :p

easily the worst spirit

[hearty heron]

Survivors were just bad

[vivid quail]

wanderer is fine imo

[hearty heron]

Survivors forget what theyre supposed to do and retire

[vivid quail]

i feel like taken should get a slight nerf in the escape period

[hearty heron]

Nah

[vivid quail]

it can still just switch from gate to gate easily to camp either one

[hearty heron]

Two people alive 🤯

[last fractal]

only if lockers spawn in correct places

[hearty heron]

Also, theres some delay now (but i havent played since that so idk how long)

[hearty heron]

Also 5 lockers max

Etc

[vivid quail]

the delay isnt that bad

[last fractal]

a few seconds, somewhat noticeable

[vivid quail]

that doesnt do much

[hearty heron]

It does

[vivid quail]

they only need to switch between 2

[hearty heron]

Just like, get good bro

[hearty heron]

Id assume it counts every switch currently?

So you can tp 5 times and the recloak

(At least thats what #📫noticeboard says)

[vivid quail]

ye but you can still check each side twice in the same cycle

also if ur solo and they get escape beacon first ur completely fucked xd

[hearty heron]

Yeah jut then you cant and survivors get time

[hearty heron]

Thats the case for every spirit 🤯

[vivid quail]

not rlu

rly*

every other spirit still has to travel in some way

taken just goes locker to locker

[polar blade]

wanderer is pretty broken still

[polar blade]

these people should be banned from the game ngl

[chrome dirge]

Yeah it has a .wynntils folder with a mods folder in Roaming

[vivid quail]

i just find them rather sad

what's the point in having an item you got through cheesing and just farming

might as well just buy crystals offpeople

[safe junco]

fr

[last fractal]

I tried farming once and tbf I felt like I was barely gaining anything extra

[safe junco]

on average during normal games i am getting 9+ essence anyways. farming is more for like if you are less skilled at the game that you cant get points normally ig

idk

farming is not exactly a fun way to play the game

[polar blade]

how does farming even work

what do you even do

[safe junco]

like taking damage and healing each other, getting downed and reviving each other, doing wells all together, letting the spirit destroy baracades and hit players, letting the spirit destroy wells, the escape beacon, etc.

its just an attempt to try to squeeze out as many points as possible

thankfully you get less points for the same action the more you do it, eventually capping out, so you can honestly just play the game normally and get plenty of score too

[polar blade]

Zzzz

[safe junco]

yeah

fr

[chrome dirge]

The two games I’ve been in where the lobby decided to farm it was basically all wells -> spirit killed all of us to last life and we revived each other -> gates

[quaint sentinel]

Can we get blockade hitboxes to be not as awful? 🥺
I died twice today trying to stun the spirit

[polar blade]

sounds like a ping problem

[quaint sentinel]

Maybe
(200 average ping 💀)

[fathom fossil]

barricades arent working

what

or their hitboxes are fucked

worse than yesterday

[peak lance]

average day on the asian proxy 😔

[civic token]

😔

at least it wasnt jsutme

also if u farmm then u can get like 8 essene in 4 minutes or whateva which is cool but id rather just play the game normally

luckkily most people i find in pfinder that wanna farm are fine with just plaaying the game normally if asked

[radiant galleon]

huffing copium because muh farming is 10% more efficient and 100% less fun

[quaint sand]

he wants a mask, must be dream

[safe junco]

Unironically if you farm the mini game for the hope of getting a mask

You will burn yourself out so quickly

Farming is super unfun

I'm up to like 230 games of normal play solely because it's fun 🤯

[quaint sand]

whats the mask exactly? Just unsure

[safe junco]

.

looks like this

[quaint sand]

ohhhhh, thats cool

It's ritualists 4th mask

[azure yoke]

🤓: "well hope my next party is more understanding towards the benefits of farming"
good lord it's just so infuriatingly stupid
games are meant to be fun imo grinding them is just dumb

and besides
if you earn 8 essence generally in a game that's 1 shard, you need 192 shards to buy the mask
200 games, each game taking 15 minutes, is 50 hours of grinding
if you assume a farmer, by being generally a nuisance, earns 12 essence generally, you reduce that number to 33 hours and 20 minutes of grinding

[spring needle]

🤓

[indigo plume]

actually maybe you should hear them out

[quaint sentinel]

Real

[vagrant fog]

Nothing particularly wrong with farming, just don’t ruin the game experience for others. Cutting down the time it takes to get the mask by half is understandable, not everyone has the time to fully no life the game

[civic token]

idc ifu wanan farm, bt if u get angry when asked to not farm then you are jsut goofy

[vagrant fog]

Agreed

It is a genuinely fun game

[tired mural]

Absolutely LOVE the game, it's my favourite event so far! 💜

But please slightly buff the blockade stun again, there are moments when it's dropped right on the spirit and it doesn't stun

[low wedge]

stun is weird, it's got a pretty big range

but some people somehow never have it stun

[safe aspen]

lag 🔥

[tired mural]

Also maybe reverting the
"Fixed an issue where the spirit wouldn't be able to perform left-click object interactions while holding a weapon."
into a feature

[civic token]

ye damagin wells is goign tobe swwapped to right click now

[tired mural]

because this is HELL

[wintry cliff]

Thats good, its basically impossible to hit people at a well rn lol

Also destroying blockades just doesnt work while holding a weapon anyway

[tired mural]

it works too well for me ;-;

[wintry cliff]

Wtfungus you got it to work lmfao

But in a bad situation for it

I always try to destroy them and have to spend extra time swapping off the weapon

[tired mural]

I cannot attack people at wells or blockades

it just does that

80% of the time

[wintry cliff]

Wells I definitely have had too

To the point were staying at the well is almost a viable strategy

[tired mural]

Also you can drink agility potions while in the minigame...

[civic token]

guh

[tired mural]

I haven't noticed if it gives the speed boost or not, but it does let you drink them

[civic token]

u can stlal fo rlike 30 seconds at the well before geting injured

prob longer if u don tsuck like me

[polar blade]

i thought it was weird you needed to use your fist to break stuff as spirit but now that you can do it with your weapon it’s definitely more harmful than good

but tmk it’s being changed

[wintry cliff]

Well if we can still just use the weapon but have to specifically right click to destroy that would be good

[polar blade]

blockade stun range is still like really good ngl

i think it’s just a ping difference thing

[tired mural]

When I read the horizontal range nerf, I was excited because I had previously been stunned from around corners and other sides of thin walls

[polar blade]

i haven’t really noticed a difference at all personally

[wintry cliff]

Me neither

Not that i was paying super close attention though

[tired mural]

after the nerf tho... yeah they've been weird

didnt record ingame sound :c

didnt stun

[polar blade]

weird

well idk

[tired mural]

also

exploit found

[civic token]

please delete i alread reported!

[vast shell]

yea its known

[tired mural]

Thank you 💜

[civic token]

me when i break the game with a random item:

[tired mural]

xd

[civic token]

istg if too many people find ouut abt that glitch before its patched games are gunna be hell

powering well from across the map

jk

[vast shell]

survivor throw lol

[civic token]

bru

also i recognize mos of the names in that party 😔 too much gaming

[tired mural]

that aim tho

[vast shell]

its just predicting where he was gonna go and being wrong lol

[civic token]

me when i mis predict where the survivor is dodging

[vast shell]

idk it made the most sense to me so i hit there /shrug

[civic token]

iw ould have misseed mroe dw >:)

[vast shell]

but. i played like shit basically the whole game

[tired mural]

them all being 1 hit kills

me screaming at them wanting to be healed

[vast shell]

the pfinder healing experience is something for sure

thankfully at this point basically everyone knows how to heal

[tired mural]

has anyone made a tierlist of perks?

[polar blade]

most people know to heal if you have particles and crouch now

[tired mural]

yet

[vast shell]

no

[safe junco]

nah

[vast shell]

not an actual tierlist

[polar blade]

it’d be pretty straightforward anyways i think

[vast shell]

oops i got spirit cant talk anymore

noo my afk well powering game :(

NVM

lets go

[civic token]

gu

[safe junco]

the linnyflower experience

[civic token]

istg i found one person in pfiinnder who would dc every time they got spirit >:(((

[safe junco]

honestly surprised that people arent queuedodging in this game at this point

[civic token]

i will queue dodge that particular mf >:(

[safe junco]

who is it?

[civic token]

i forgot username

[safe junco]

lmao

[civic token]

but they get spirit like every 3 games lo

and then they just relog and >:(((

[polar blade]

all the speed perks like parkour blood rush fight and flight and broken ankles would be at the top me thinks

and some others too

[vast shell]

a couple ppl dodge me

but its not bad

[safe junco]

countermeasures too imo

[polar blade]

lone survivor is f tier. i hate it. it is awful

what is countermeasures again

[safe junco]

highlights lockers and blockades

[polar blade]

why

[safe junco]

good for stalling killer

[vast shell]

countermeasures is really good tbh

brain afk perk

[polar blade]

idk I don’t have problems with remembering where blockades are

very rarely use lockers

it just makes spotting graves harder for me ngl

[safe junco]

lockers are fun to use with surprise strike

[polar blade]

yeah if I have surprise strike I’ll use them on occasion

[vast shell]

i really like countermeasures for chain dropping blockades/planning where to run

its just nice to have

[safe junco]

yeah

[vast shell]

id rank it at an A

[polar blade]

otherwise it’s too obvious to enter lockers I think

I always wanna be powering a well

so they’re not very useful for me

[vast shell]

i barely ever use lockers

[safe junco]

vanishing act + surprise strike combo works pretty well

but yeah there are better options

[tired mural]

before the buff, id put healing streak as F

now a solid B?

[spring needle]

Tactical Retreat + Vanishing Act

[safe junco]

sometimes you want the locker noise to be there for surprise strike tho

[vast shell]

it depends how good u are at using healing streak i think

[polar blade]

oh yeah retreat

[spring needle]

instant escape

[vast shell]

some mfs are dumb enough to check though

in pfinder

[spring needle]

true

[safe junco]

accidental success

[polar blade]

some people will also just sit in a locker the whole game and refuse to power wells

[safe junco]

fr

[polar blade]

i don’t like them very much

[vast shell]

i was playing a game where i was in a locker in a random corner of the map by 0 wells and had been in there for like 1min

and someone opened it

like

what.

[safe junco]

i think ive narced on someone that did that before

[vast shell]

i was answering a call from my mom 😭

[polar blade]

retreat is probably up there

[safe junco]

they were the only person left and they were afk in the locker the whole game lmao

[vast shell]

ok yea thats scummy

idk i dislike when ppl dont perma power wells when possible

[polar blade]

b b but I don’t wanna die

[vast shell]

just. whats the point

[safe junco]

they had it coming

thats kinda only reason for it

[spring needle]

im scawed 🥺

[safe junco]

i wouldnt do it if they are actually playing the game

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1041741529179488321/1109346779742347305/ConcerninglyFunnyCat.gif

[polar blade]

get out of here is also decent

ngl I can’t remember most perks off the top of my head

a lot are mid

narnia is ok

[vast shell]

i will make the tierlist

[ocean marsh]

i decreased the range they go out to horizontally

maybe too much

[vast shell]

OK nvm im not making the tierlist

it seems like a pain in the ass

[polar blade]

too many

which ones are good is pretty self explanatory too

[spring needle]

there are still ppl choosing lone soldier at the start....

[polar blade]

😭

[civic token]

i thought lone soldier was brokey on release

and then i realized how injured workd

💀

[polar blade]

ngl I don’t know how to buff lone soldier to be good but also not broken at the same time

just a cursed perk

[vast shell]

i think its honestly ok as is

[polar blade]

maybe

[vast shell]

there are times when you actually want the perk

but like

not often

[civic token]

if u get it while on low hp or in a shitty pfinder its prety nice

[polar blade]

tbh maybe just getting rid of the extra lives gimmick and making it so you respawn with full but still can’t heal would be fine

and you’d have the normal 3 lives

[tired mural]

https://medal.tv/games/minecraft/clips/1zA0QVu-QJq6vn/d1337hsWKDcB?invite=cr-MSxOZDQsMTY2NjAyMDIxLA

I felt so bad after

[polar blade]

that well location is such a troll tbh

pretty much impossible to get off against any competent spirit

since it’s just in the middle of the path to every other well

[safe aspen]

if there was more perks that were only active while injured its might be better to get lone soldier

[polar blade]

fair honestly

not a bad idea

[hollow willow]

Can’t believe you were recording us smh xp

[vast shell]

it was improbable enough to clip lol

[vast shell]

yea its doomed

[polar blade]

If you get it it’s basically -1 well option imo

It should get removed for somewhere else

[vast shell]

theres a couple corners on that map that just dont spawn wells

spo

maybe there

[polar blade]

Yeah

There’s that one random ruins area near east (I think) that just

Has nothing

[vast shell]

yeah

i think replacing that well with like

a big tombstone in the middle of the courtyard to loop around

might go hard

also block vision from being too too open

[lucid wolf]

insane clutch

this is why u heal, guys

[vast shell]

it was a silly game all around idk

[lucid wolf]

I HID IN RHAT ONCE AND IT WORKED TOO

it was so funny

i wish i had a clip

[indigo plume]

what is the point when you get basically no rewards from that anyway

[polar blade]

I dunno

[indigo plume]

i only do that when i get narnia cause its funny to tp to an injured person and heal them

[tired mural]

Suggestion:

Opening gates gives points towards next perk

[spring needle]

i think this is planned

[zealous crag]

parkour

is this intentional

[vast shell]

no

[zealous crag]

aw

[ocean marsh]

:whathow:

[vast shell]

🤤

[rough otter]

i wish narnia didnt take so long after entering locker

[steep saffron]

blood rush broken ankles
high tier perks I will say

[rough otter]

if it was like right click locker boom you are in another thatd be really cool

[civic token]

not brokey atall

[safe junco]

Think it would be cool if you could choose when Narnia activates

But not the end of the world to not have it

[gentle loom]

<

[civic token]

no more boating literalky 1984(i am both happy and sad)

[safe junco]

its almost like its bug abuse 🤯

[civic token]

i jsut ewant to go off map!

nvm i thought it was fixed but its stil not(at least its moderated now yipee)

also if u /kill too many times as spirit then u get softlocked

[ocean marsh]

it is on new worlds

[ocean marsh]

uhhhh. skill issue?

does it trap you in a black box

[civic token]

yea

[ocean marsh]

yea uh . dont spam /kill i guess

[civic token]

its right below the hub of the mingame

[civic token]

yipee!

[ocean marsh]

yeah i know

thats the usual death box which sends you back

but if you /kill too quickly it fails to run the teleport

and u get stuck

[vagrant fog]

Lone soldier is good for when you have a party that refuses to revive you

[quaint sentinel]

Ls is good
If you get it later in the game

Aka you have been downed twice already

Then its good

[vagrant fog]

Also got to love trying to attack survivors at barricades or wells and instead of hitting them you get stuck in the destroying bar. (I don’t want it removed, it is great for survivors)(maybe I just have crippling skill issues)

[quaint sentinel]

Destroying barriers / wells will be changed to rightclick instead

[vagrant fog]

Man I hate it when you get downed and you end up being completely deleted from the game since your team doesn’t revive you

[indigo thunder]

dont worry ur team will die with u in a moment

[polar blade]

oh no

[polar blade]

someone remind me why the spirit that can go invisible has its speed increased

wouldnt it be most logical for its speed to be... lowered

[vagrant fog]

That one can’t hit while invisible

[quaint pike]

was this nerf reverted?

[polar blade]

...and?

[polar blade]

wdym

[quaint pike]

nvm

[polar blade]

it had its speed bonus while invisible reduced

but its still busted

[quaint pike]

you can still see particles ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[polar blade]

how does that make it balanced

[quaint sentinel]

Decloak time is like
4 seconds

Where you cant do anything

[polar blade]

do people unironically think it's balanced

[fathom fossil]

Its very annoying to play against

it can literally just rotate for free at 60% extra speed so u cant even power wells

Unless the spirit walks through long sightlines its hard to detect the particles before its too late

it has 20% base speed as well for some reason

[polar blade]

most spirits have 20% base speed so that's normal

the only ones that dont are zealot at 5% and keeper at 10%

imo the usual base 20 for rat wanderer and taken could be lowered to 15 or even 10

you can see wanderer particles yes but that doesnt mean you will always be able to detect it ahead of time when you're in cramped and ruinous areas, at least not the same as normal heartbeat for other spirits

and that is a good enough advantage to warrant not needing... an additional speed bonus on top of that

the decloak time is pretty irrelevant since the most of the time you can close the distance to a player/well anyways while invisible

[safe aspen]

I think all spirits are in a pretty good state right now

none of them seem terribly op or bad

they might be better than survivors overall but iono cant really judge that from just my own games

[polar blade]

keeper and terror are balanced probably

vermin doesnt seem busted in comparison to wanderer and taken but spirits in general are just stronger so shrug

[rough otter]

funny crash

[vivid quail]

i believe this is a planned change

i think lexnt mentioned lowering their base speed to 15 a little while ago

[rough otter]

parkour doesnt work when injured despite not stating that in the description

i think

or it was on cooldown but idk why that would have happened twice then

actually yeah the cooldown is pretty insane

[polar blade]

well it's basically free speed so

makes sense to have a long cd

maybe its a bit too much though idk

[rough otter]

shrug

also those ashes people that were cheating in botb are still around

[letter]MAshes

that im 99% sure are just afk alts

premonition has a sick background

(i think thats just a wynntils issue tho, it happens on runes too)

these guys are rich

[tulip drum]

Pretty sure this is an issue with using legacy, or the older 1.12.2 wynntils, cause I switched over and my textures are fine now

[rough otter]

shrug

so yeah ig wynntils issue

am i meant to not be able to see scoreboard or tab after dying

you also get jump fatigue in lobby

[rough otter]

one of the invulnerability perks is bugged and doesnt run out

ok it wasnt one??

they only had speed 3 on revive perk

but were able to walk around and open the exit gate and leave before invuln ran out

[polar blade]

sometimes one of the invuln perks just doesnt go away

idk which

its been bugged since launch i think

havent seen it myself in a while though

[rough otter]

how does taken hit

ive tried to hit someone and started destroying barricades instead of hitting like 3 or 4 times today already

very annoying feeling

[fathom fossil]

lol as archer

[wintry cliff]

tiniest ss in existance

[fathom fossil]

thtas better

[wintry cliff]

god damn you absolutely steamrolled them

[polar blade]

havent seen a faster game than this yet

its not like they werent trying they were just

pretty bad

[wintry cliff]

lol

fastest game i ever saw was probably just when the game broke and the spirit couldnt kill

which was still like 3-5m

[spring needle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/423579192819580930/1037517775859621958/Screenshot_20221024-0740322.gif

[polar blade]

i posted all my reasonings already

[spring needle]

god bless wanderer

[wintry cliff]

the wanderer in question

[ocean marsh]

tealycraft im starting to think you might be wrong on this one

[spring needle]

We'll change wanderer to send an international postcard 4-5 business days before they uncloak to warn survivors

[near slate]

Bro said "I'm not playing with a wanderer" And dced

When I clearly hadn't gone invis a single time .-.

[polar blade]

I’ve had games where some people just leave or refuse to play when there’s a wanderer

not saying they’re in the right

but it’s pretty damn funny and reflective

[quaint pike]

you can always use wynntils minimap

[wintry cliff]

me when you can disable hades:

[spring needle]

wanderer is just straight up not OP

Taken is stronger

[quaint pike]

mfw taken traversing entire map in mere seconds

awesome on bunker becasue easy vertical travel

probably best counter to wanderer it to stay in one giant group, I think it's just very good at scouting and finding isolated players

[indigo plume]

why are you only starting to think this

i knew garvan would be this way

[spring needle]

just because people are bad at countering garvan does not make him op 💀

[quaint pike]

^

[indigo plume]

as ive said many times

this is party finder

nobody is gonna be good enough to counter him lol

[spring needle]

you dont have to be good to counter him dawg literally just plan a way to run if he shows up

[indigo plume]

what happens when youre good enough to counter garvan but your 3 teammates arent so you end up being the last person left

[spring needle]

thats it

[indigo plume]

with like no score

[spring needle]

if you have 3 shit teammates then you'll lose anyways

[indigo plume]

what happens when hes already attacked you at a specific well like 5 times now and theres no blockades or anything left nearby so if he shows up youre definitely at least going to end up getting hit

[spring needle]

then the other wells will be completed if he's harassing one well that hard

samsam what is the part of garvan that makes him so strong

[indigo plume]

imo its the speed while cloaked

like hes already invisible why does he need to zoom

im fine with him having a little bit of speed

[spring needle]

it averages out to the sane as other spirits when you take decloak time into account

[indigo plume]

just why that much

[polar blade]

taken being stronger doesnt make wanderer not busted?

lol

[spring needle]

wanderer isn't busted, im saying taken is stronger because it is, yet less ppl are complaining about that one

[indigo plume]

taken is more situational

[polar blade]

just because it takes slightly more brain cells to use

thats why not as many people play it

[indigo plume]

sometimes wells dont have lockers nearby

[polar blade]

playing the "skill issue" card will never not be funny

[spring needle]

it is truly a skill issue

im sorry

[low wedge]

taken is stronger in certain places but it turns in to a basic killer in to an actual chase
All taken can really do to the survivors with it's ability is disrupt unless it commits to the chase.
Wanderer can be an active problem no matter what and the invisibility just ends up meaning you're not losing him without a LOT of creativity or if it just gives up.

[polar blade]

no no, you see, youre just not countering him properly

or something

[low wedge]

yeah, seriously though, there's VERY few situations where taken can just use it's ability to maintain a chase.

[spring needle]

1. Taken can ambush and blind players, free hits very often
2. if wanderer cloaks, just go stand next to a blockade. drop and stun after they decloak.

[low wedge]

wanderer, "oh he's getting away, time to go invis and speed up to them"

[indigo plume]

taken is easy to avoid by just standing out of sight from a locker

[spring needle]

tendril goes through blocks

[low wedge]

Also doesn't taken alert you about locker teleports? I swear it does.

Like if i hear him teleport to a nearby locker i will immediately get away from the well just in case.

[spring needle]

Yes, but its way less warning than wanderer gives

[quaint pike]

decloaking is loud af

[low wedge]

Wanderer if i know he's near it's more "well this well's gone"

[spring needle]

[quaint sentinel]

I did
55 seconds
4 downs
4 kills
They all stood by a well and i killed 3 of them beofre the last guy moved ._.

[indigo plume]

ok but its not like he sees me

[low wedge]

taken also gets 3 chances and then gets kicked out

[spring needle]

I usually just guess based on common places to stand while on a well

[quaint pike]

also did you know that taken can telefrag

[low wedge]

not surprised

[near slate]

Telefrag?

[low wedge]

teleport to a locker someone's also in

[indigo plume]

even then he makes a noise upon tping to a nearby locker

so you can just prepare for it

[quaint pike]

teleport to a player's position to instantly down it

[quaint sentinel]

I personally on taken just fire on the well hiding spots
Usually works on pfinder
(Every well has that one spot where pwople stand in to charge it)

[indigo plume]

idk i havent had any trouble at all against taken yet

[quaint pike]

basically taken has built-in ranged locker search

[near slate]

Intentional 😛

[indigo plume]

but maybe thats cause everyone chooses the braindead easy option (wanderer) instead of dipping their toes into other spirits

[quaint sentinel]

I did that twice by accident lmao

[polar blade]

not really sure how decloak is a valid argument when cloaking as is makes up way more time on players compared to other spirits with heartbeat

[spring needle]

yeah, my point is that taken can conceivably teleport and blind within ~2s, wanderer is way more warning especially if you see the smoke

[quaint pike]

same

[quaint sentinel]

Funny if you tp to a locker and someone just dies

[low wedge]

Taken is only a major issue in bunker really when escape starts

since there's no way for survivors to do the levers in that instance.

[quaint pike]

and wondering what the hell happened

[quaint sentinel]

[low wedge]

Which yeah is taken's biggest issue rn

[indigo plume]

those lockers arent guaranteed to spawn

[quaint sentinel]

Sacrifice 3 then find the beacon

[spring needle]

They are 50/50 with eachother

[low wedge]

those 2 nearly always do spawn I've noticed

[spring needle]

There are others nearby though

[quaint sentinel]

Usually there is one nearby

[spring needle]

Literally impossible

[quaint pike]

oh so taken is rng based nice

[low wedge]

I was jumping exit gates as taken.

[quaint sentinel]

Always has been

[low wedge]

I literally was jumping from one or the other

[indigo plume]

ok nerf concept: taken can only tp to 2 lockers during escape phase before being forced out

[spring needle]

When

[near slate]

Any time on bunker

[low wedge]

uhhh might of been just before the most recent update?

[near slate]

Lockers spawn next to both gates

[low wedge]

well hotfix

or whatever we're calling it

[spring needle]

that'd be why, it was recently changed

[spring needle]

not anymore

Only 1 of those will spawn

[low wedge]

because of taken?

[spring needle]

yeah

Makes it a little bit harder

[low wedge]

not as if there's like 9 more lockers in range

[spring needle]

simply run away

[indigo plume]

i think player retention for this minigame is doing a lot better than the other 2 minigames which is good

[safe aspen]

honestly if youre on taken and the survivors manage to power 5 wells on bunker youre doing something wrong...

[low wedge]

eh depends on rng there, sometimes due to rng they know how to hide

[spring needle]

she banish on my beyond till i partyfinder

[quaint pike]

hero festival had major tryhard issue which would make you guaranteed to lose when you stumple upon one. And when this happened, you were less likely to play again, which made more likely for other people to stumble upon one, and the cycle continued

and each bonfire minigame looked almost the same which decreased replayabilty

[polar blade]

because it literally was the same game

??????

not sure why heroes having a ""tryhard"" problem when in the end it was a team game is literally any different than spirits

[quaint pike]

what I meant is that each hero (at the beginning) and now dbd minigame is a little different

[polar blade]

if a "tryhard" gets spirit then you just have to suck it up and play well as a team to win

was the same exact thing with heroes

[quaint pike]

well, unlike a hero minigame a "tryhard" isn't guaranteed to get spirit, and in hero mingame it was very likely to get ascended

[polar blade]

as they say... skill issue...

[quaint pike]

so the situation of being hard stomped is less likely

[quaint pike]

so bald

mfw people were being able to get like 100 game win streak

[polar blade]

just wanted to point out the irony in saying that being unable to deal with wanderers is somehow different than good players in heroes

the "skill issue" card

and you just ate it up

[cunning hare]

in banishing even if spirit is tryharding good team cooperation can result in victory

[quaint pike]

you aren't guarantted to get wanderer either xD

[polar blade]

it's the same problem, it being less often is irrelevant

"skill issue" is just the worst possible argument and it's funny when people get with it back

[quaint pike]

I think it's still easier to deal with wanderer than it was to deal with the tryhard in hero minigame :/

[cunning hare]

i agree

[polar blade]

doesnt make the spirit any less busted

[spring needle]

skill issue

[polar blade]

i think people also way too often just look at the average dipshit joe and outplay them and think "wait this spirit sucks"

[spring needle]

in the same way that this is true, its also true that if you have dipshit joe teammates, the spirit will seem a lot stronger

[indigo plume]

my favourite thing to do in this minigame is have a really hard-to-see skin and then hide in a bush and have the spirit walk directly past me

[polar blade]

after playing with and against who i would consider at least decent players, i think i can pretty confidently say wanderer is busted

[spring needle]

after playing with and against who i would consider at least decent players, i think i can pretty confidently say wanderer is not busted

lower skill ceiling for sure

but not OP

[polar blade]

listen i know you really love using wanderer

[spring needle]

i dont my favourite is taken or pz

[indigo plume]

maybe the problem is the low skill ceiling

its way too easy to use him effectively

[polar blade]

no hes definitely too strong regardless

im pretty confident lex will end up making the correct decision though

[indigo plume]

wish there was a perk that allowed me to jumpscare them by doing this

[spring needle]

💀

[indigo plume]

like surprise strike but without a locker or being able to use it mid-chase

[spring needle]

Tackle

[quaint pike]

get a baseball bat
you can use it once to stun the spirit

[ocean marsh]

because im not just starting to think it and its poking fun at how often we've disagreed on this

[quaint pike]

fine, if you wanna nerf wanderer then make it take more time to uncloak and make it even louder xD

you know what make this sound global lol

cloaking too

[wintry cliff]

the absolute fucking jumpscare of hearing the uncloaking sound even if the guys at the other side of the map

[quaint pike]

(;

[spring needle]

garvan is straight up gonna be the worst spirit if its nerfed any more

[quaint pike]

honest keeper reaction:

[spring needle]

keeper is currently weakest imo but theyre still fine on woods

[steep saffron]

20% walk speed and it borders on being the worst?
That seems impressive because the base speed makes a big difference in strength alone

[quaint pike]

I'd be interested see the spirit that has high stats and heartbeat radius and somewhat weak ability as a drawback

[low wedge]

Doesn't it also get bonus speed in invisible? Giving it like 40% walkspeed while invis? I dont see any that way could be worst if it got nerfed

[indigo plume]

nah

[cunning hare]

i dont see a problem in his ability but in his speed 20% makes a huge diffrence making it hard to escape him even if you manage to stun him

[near slate]

80% or 60%, can't remember

[low wedge]

Pretty much, in a perfect world all the cloaking would do is get garvan in a better position to kill a survivor as a surprise
Right now it functions as a catch up

oh you lost a survivor? Yeah just go invis you'll find them easily

keeper on the other hand is technically worst but as i've said before, only is that because if it's not the woods map keeper is doomed.

[rustic holly]

if you could just play these minigames past the seasonal events people would probably enjoy them more. i noticed hardly anyone plays these minigames past first week

[lucid wolf]

@fathom fossil ate my ass as keeper on bunker

i malded hard

sorry about that btw

[wintry cliff]

thats the exact reason why they wouldnt work year round

[cunning hare]

banishing still gets a lot of attention

[wintry cliff]

banishment has been a lot better than others since its a lot more varied, im not convinced it would survive much longer than the event lasts though

[near slate]

Banishment is probably the best designed one

[cunning hare]

not many bugs(atleast now),tryhard require good amount of skill to actually crush lobbies,diffrient skills and spirits add variety only problem is balancing

bonefire was super repetetive and heroes had many tryhards both without adding many new mechanics

[quaint pike]

I've seen at least 4 different bugs

2 of which were very major

[polar blade]

heroism was very active until the end

[quaint pike]

I think more like until the middle

[polar blade]

adding a mythic trinket makes people play them more

[quaint pike]

because you know why

[steep saffron]

Main bug I've noticed is the occasional double revive thing
Other than that, seems Very Functional

[quaint pike]

there were 2 bugs that made the game literally unplayable

[steep saffron]

Well ok at the start there was the whole thing where you just. Couldn't join the game
That was pretty funny

[quaint pike]

and then one that made killers unable to attack survivors

[wintry cliff]

yeah but that one got fixed

very funny though

[steep saffron]

Anyway off topic
Claim to Heroism needs more heroes to claim to
2 seems like a small number

[wintry cliff]

was it really only 2

[quaint pike]

hydra bugs
you fix one bug, two more show up on its place instead

[wintry cliff]

i thought it was 3 at least

[steep saffron]

Lari the Ranged Character
and Tisaun the Melee Character

[quaint pike]

heroism really needs anti-snowball measures too

in next year edition

[steep saffron]

I still think CtH was very cool, and probably my favorite of now

[polar blade]

cth is still my favorite

[quaint pike]

i have ptsd

meeting yygamer every 2nd game

it was NOT fun

[steep saffron]

mr interned

[quaint pike]

if not yy then linny instead

[ocean marsh]

yea the goal was to have more than 2 but we didnt have time to add them before the event launched

[polar blade]

please add ava next heroes

or maxie could be cool

electromagic weapon or something

[indigo plume]

Gun: 1-tap other players (infinite range)

[wintry cliff]

(keeper vs lone soldiers)

[polar blade]

this is a nuke

one tap everyone on the field

including spirit

infinite range

[long meteor]

is the vermin burrow supposed to remove heartbeat

[safe junco]

for 5 seconds after coming out

yes

[long meteor]

ok

also kinda annoying that the wells don't give points to people who aren't actively powering the beacon when it charges to full

[ocean marsh]

it gives points to everyone within 5 blocks or so

[long meteor]

mm

still annoying that it's not charge based

like if I've charged a beacon for 90% I should get points when it completes regardless of if I'm nearby or not

and I should also get more points than the person that joined in for the last 10%

[vivid quail]

you do

you get the 90 points for charging it to 90

[long meteor]

yea but for the bonus too

[safe junco]

I disagree

You could just run around to every well and power it a little and get points from all of them without actually contributing much

[long meteor]

that's,,,, what you can already do

and just make it scale exponentially to discourage that

actually it doesn't even have to be exponential

if the bonus was just equivalent to your charge then it'd still always be more worth to charge one well at a time

[lucid wolf]

In the nicest way possible, rat teleporting to their burrow should not automatically stop their burrow being broken and reset all progress. They should have to exit the hole and hit you for that to happen

[civic token]

true^

[lucid wolf]

especially when it takes 3 and half years to break

[civic token]

keeping like half ot he destroy progress would eb nice too

[lucid wolf]

just learned that juking only gives like 5 points now....

why was this nerfed

(if it was, i swear it used to give a lot more cuz i would see people do it a lot)

[safe junco]

Near misses always did

[rough otter]

what does this mean

[lucid wolf]

if you are near the spirit when they attack and they miss, you only get +5 to your score

[rough otter]

oh wtf

weird af

[lucid wolf]

which is nothing compared to the risk and "skill" (getting lucky with a spirit that cant aim) it takes to pull off

[safe junco]

You are more encouraged to use blockades

[safe junco]

Epic

[spring needle]

Its a bonus, not a goal

[spring needle]

Its done so you have extra time to run. Once rat starts tunneling, you should no longer be able to collapse it. Auto cancel helps survivors not have to react and manually cancel

[lucid wolf]

true

[near slate]

Once rat starts tunneling, rat should have difficulties burrowing into a tunnel that someone's actively kicking dirt into

[safe aspen]

Rat should not be able to tunnel to the burrows someone is destroying

[lucid wolf]

i feel like it rewards the rat too much. like think about wells-- often times its worth to take a hit to fully power. its annoying i cant make that choice and wait to fully break then get hit by the rat popping out, and then try to escape

[spring needle]

this is a cool idea, @ocean marsh +0.25s to tunnel time per square towards destruction

[spring needle]

the rat has to drop what its doing and come stop you essentially immediately or it loses its burrow

[lucid wolf]

ok idk about that

rat would be totally useless

[spring needle]

it doesnt need to be punished more

[lucid wolf]

that's definitely not how it feels. with how long it takes, the rat easy has time to finish whatever theyre doing (searching or chasing) and still teleport to cancel the breaking and completely negate the time i spent breaking instead of like doing a well

this happened yesterday with @vast shell and today w/ someone else. i am not exaggerating when i say I was on the last square in both scenarios before they teleported

the rat has ample time before they actually need to teleport to cancel

[vast shell]

i think if you make this change it’ll be good

[spring needle]

unless it gets the hit right next to another burrow, this often isnt true especially when we nerf all 20% speeds to 15%

[lucid wolf]

(especially when it cancels as soon as they teleport, not like, when they come out of the burrow)

[vast shell]

atm, yea i can fight off 2 people breaking my shit at the same time LOL

[spring needle]

yeah but what else

[vast shell]

just make the change u said

[spring needle]

if you commit to a chase, one goes down

[vast shell]

and it’ll b fine

[lucid wolf]

and when tf are you finding pfinders who are breaking 2 at a time

like.....

bffr

[spring needle]

bad teams make spirit look busted

[lucid wolf]

well every team is bad... its a pfinder game

so we shouldnt balance around like survivors in a vc communicating

since thats 0.1% of games

[spring needle]

@vast shell lets get a team together and record wanderer getting crushed for an hour

[lucid wolf]

(imo)

[vast shell]

i’m down, playing Scrabble w/ fam but free afterwards

[spring needle]

simply increase skill 🤪 spirit is also pfinder

[vast shell]

i was gonna play w undyne so

ig we have a 3rd

[lucid wolf]

1 man team vs coordinating 4 man team

[rough otter]

tealy this is getting really close to "skill issue" lul

[lucid wolf]

its not close, it literally is "skill issue"

[spring needle]

it is

[lucid wolf]

which is an annoying solve when it comes to just hoping your teammates are somehow on the same page

[low wedge]

it's happened once to me

i still stand by my opinion they were in a discord call and I genuinely could not do much in that circumstance

[long meteor]

20% down to 15% is like

nothing lmao

[low wedge]

But yeah will say, rat has WAY too much time. Unless I am actively spending way too long doing something I have always got back before they destroy the burrow.
And most of the time, it's not been a distraction it's more just a "really? You're trying that?" It's literally only if people vc where the burrows become a major issue of "oh boy This might actually get destroyed" unless i just break off a chase immediately.

[spring needle]

she banish on my beyond till i partyfinder

[safe junco]

😟

[civic token]

this was me i killed a dude spawned a burrow and then killed u

also for some reason i coulddnt seee the glow outline of the person destroying my burrow

so i had to guess one game and go ti wrong

[lucid wolf]

damnit 😭

[lucid wolf]

not to be putting too much criticism/feedback in here today but i am really not enjoying the "Fixed an issue where the spirit wouldn't be able to perform left-click object interactions while holding a weapon." change

I 100% think it should be reverted

it was odd at first, but was easy to adjust to just making sure i wasnt holding my weapon if my goal was to attack a well or a barricade

now, it is frustratingly difficult or even impossible to attack a player if they are near a barricade or especially a well

i mean at this point i know im better off just standing in the middle of the well rather than running if the spirit gets too close cuz they'll just get trapped in the "attacking well" timer

[ocean marsh]

it's on the list

going to change all the left-clicks to right-clicks

[lucid wolf]

fantastic ty

[ocean marsh]

although

for now if youre having issues

weapons also do attack on right click

[lucid wolf]

which dont attack wells n stuff?

[ocean marsh]

yea

[lucid wolf]

ooh ok ty

[quaint sentinel]

INSANE
TY

[lucid wolf]

uhhhh this probably shouldnt happen

[civic token]

:3

[ocean marsh]

bad timing

[lucid wolf]

solvable or just unfortunate case that cant be solved

[ocean marsh]

maybe solvable but what id do is just not let you revive there

[lucid wolf]

oof

also i am very dumb. i did not know rat's tunnels do not work like terror's snares

it makes WAY more sense why theyre so much harder to break

[spring needle]

bro what 💀

[lucid wolf]

not saying i dont think it could be changed how they are broken but id have to rethink it

terror's snares you get back

didnt know u dont get rats cuz i never play it

the few times i have played it, no one every destroyed my holes

so i never encountered that

my bad 😄🤪

[fathom fossil]

I didnt even know that

It usually takes so long to break that it isnt worth

was basically just asking him to tp to you

sometimes useful as bait though

[polar blade]

burrows could prob be slightly faster to break

[quaint pike]

I agree as long as you would be able to recharge them whenever you would have less than 2 or 3

[near slate]

Bru that makes it even worse to play against, having INFINITE burrows

[quaint pike]

not 6 at all time

obviously that would be broken (meanwhile taken with shit ton of lockers accessible lol)

[quaint pike]

I would say that having infinite burrows limited to 2 at a time wouldn't be THAT opressive, especially considering the fact that you wouldn't be able to replace them to camp 2 exits at the same time

unless you would place them at the start of the game

[near slate]

Which is what people do anyways

Bc when gate phase, you can't really do anything about it except getting murdered

[tired mural]

I think they're perfect the way they are

for time to break*

[delicate berry]

Not sure if anyone ever mentioned it but here anyway. [1] I think the lockers should be changed a bit, I think that lockers really dont have any uses except Narnia (teleports you to another not occupied locker) or just hiding. I think you should still get a chance when a spirit is searching an locker your'e staying in. It doesn't make sense to me that the spirit can theoretically camp in front of the locker till you're coming out yourself or the moment he searches you're dead. It would be great if you still can get out and run away but cant go in the same locker you were outplaying the spirit. I would suggest that you can escape the locker till the spirit is halfway finished searching [2] I really don't know how big the hitbox of burrows is but would be cuul to increase the hitbox for spirit and survivors. feel free to discuss👍

[safe junco]

surprise strike is usable

vanishing act + tactical retreat is a free escape

lockers arent an ideal thing to use when trying to get away and all that, but they have their uses

[civic token]

whats tactical retreat again

i think the way lockers work is fine rn tho

if u stay in a locker when u know the spirit could search u then thats kinda your fault(skill issue!)
u can also do funny locker jukes rn by leaaving the locker right before spirit searches it so ye

[safe junco]

the one that removes your trail for 8 seconds upon being hit

[civic token]

o ye thats one is very cool

only thing abt lockers that should be changed is narnia activaation becoming ana item

[safe junco]

yeah i can agree with that

[chrome dirge]

I would say buff vanishing act but like... how would you even do that

[civic token]

i think its fine rn

[steep saffron]

I have many times killed people in lockers because I heard the enter noise, so I imagine it's still fairly good

[chrome dirge]

I generally just search every locker near a slightly powered well regardless of if I heard a sound

unless theres an obvious sprint trail

[tired mural]

hey has the exploit to get above the map in woods already been reported?

[polar blade]

lockers will probably always be relegated to niche use specifically with perks and that's fine

[tired mural]

<@&268142859327242242>

in north west

[wintry cliff]

e whats the mods gonna do

make a bug report and mark it as exploitable https://forums.wynncraft.com/wc-bug-report/

[tired mural]

i couldnt get the content team @ to show up

and ah yeah i forgot about that

[safe junco]

dm me what it is and ill see ig

but most mods cant really do anything about bugs

[wintry cliff]

ct isnt pingable lol

[safe junco]

so next time just make a bug report

[vast shell]

@sturdy crag

oh yeah?

[wintry cliff]

😱

holy fucking shit

[magic forge]

moderator invasion

[polar blade]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-hello-moderator-discord-discord-mod-moderator-gif-26159482

[chrome dirge]

is it the one where you stand on barriers in front of the church

if so then yes that was patched last I checked

[civic token]

no more boating to get on top of the map 😔
i shoulda tried to get on top fo the church when it wasnt moderated

[chrome dirge]

if I get a party of 5 people willing to just mess around with bugs am I allowed to do silly stuff

[civic token]

:3

[delicate berry]

not sure how to know when spirit is klicking tho, he just waiting to kill or searching to kill

[civic token]

u just have o guesss

or just exit and reneter quicky

[civic token]

bru two people dced in the middle of the game

and then one of the gates broke

and then i lost\

:(

garbage game!

[spring needle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/423579192819580930/1037517775859621958/Screenshot_20221024-0740322.gif

[gentle tulip]

we NEED deception

[gentle tulip]

deception makes lockers go from very humourous to 🤡

[safe aspen]

quickly going in and out of lockers to troll the spirit 🔥

[safe junco]

🔥

[rich sinew]

make dropping btb items (weapons, spritual stabilizer, scorebook) impossible.

[hearty heron]

"Lockers dont have uses [...] except hiding"
Isnt that like their intended use?

[peak lance]

did you know?
a little known use of lockers is for locking your belongings in them!

[ocean cloak]

rat spirit is broken for me, can't teleport using burrows

[vivid quail]

Sorry, was busy eating. You can teleport now.

[coral stream]

WDYM

[rich sinew]

there is some dude with 420 in his name, i see him really often but he already has the haunted mask.

[vast shell]

heroes game

[vast shell]

III420III

[rich sinew]

yeah

[vast shell]

he’s chill

fellow minigame enjoyer

[rich sinew]

indeed

[vivid quail]

haunted mask owners🤝

[sand narwhal]

Can I not get jumping fatigue everytime I walk down half a slab

[gentle tulip]

No unfortunately you must :(

[ocean marsh]

this is the price we pay for preventing sprint jumping

[chrome dirge]

Once again, jump height 300 and kill plane!

[spring needle]

no

literally does not work

[chrome dirge]

But funny

[quaint sentinel]

but roofs

[chrome dirge]

😎

Just put a second kill barrier under the roofs

Does the server not know the velocity of the player or smth

[spring needle]

wdym kill barrier though

[chrome dirge]

Instant death

Gone forever

[spring needle]

there is 0 vertical movement with that high jump boost

[chrome dirge]

Oh

Jump height 100

[spring needle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/423579192819580930/1037517775859621958/Screenshot_20221024-0740322.gif

[chrome dirge]

Brilliant idea what could go wrong

[delicate berry]

I know that too, but somehow when thinking realistically you can still like shock the "killer" and run away

and I know that game logic doesn't have to be as realistic as possible

[civic token]

wat r u sayin

lockers are fine rn i think anyway cuz u can juke spirit with it(sometimes) and the three locker perks r fine

[indigo plume]

its not uncommon that the spirit doesnt know what locker youre hiding in

[quaint pike]

Mfw randomly dying to keeper because he was restocking

[indigo plume]

also the lockers near the exits on bunker are perfect for surprise striking

[quaint sentinel]

i didnt see surprise strike in ages

[rich sinew]

didnt play enough

[delicate berry]

Lockers are fine like you said but I want to outplay a spirit and I really hate the fact when a spirit clicks you're dead or waits till you walk towards dead

[quaint sentinel]

no like

i didnt see it

in the last 20 games

[delicate berry]

like when spirit is searching another locker you cant even escape bcs he catches you in no time

[quaint sentinel]

no

you cant even exit

if he is searching

you need to exit before and stun with surprise strike

or just

run through him

:)