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damn rocket league
I cant understand either part of that
Apparently I'm really fast
been a while since i hopped on that
Default weapons are untradable, so this guy effectively threw those 300k to the trashcan
No but yeah thanks, with carries it should be good
what little motivation i had was killed after trading got removed
Its a .. flex ig
Nah it's pretty
Everyone is busted at the game now bro
gg ez
Like old plats are silvers now
People keep fucking air roll musty flipping me in gold bro
Like jus lemmie play
š
but to be fair all players under diamond were kinda dogshit
only then did you start to see something
Mechs are now like very visible in Plat
Yea, but then you see ppl like that complaining about game prices
They used to be buns, but now they be hitting shit bro
Them mofos are evolving
And still somehow not ranking up
when the plat actually does the air dribble:
I don't even try ts
i mean more important than mechanics imo is game sense which a lot of players even at diamond just
didnt have
My game sense is not great
I'm working on it tho
Honestly the thing holding me back is just getting pissed at the game
so if they can pull off a musty but cant rotate for shit and cant make a good formation with the team its kinda joever
if i lost like 3 matches in a row id just quit there
too tilted
I'm guilty of this as a recovering heatseaker non
heatseeker š„
I be camping goal sometimes
The only mode I can't get tilted at
I hope they add ranked heat seeker next season
is it a permanent mode yet
Like jus remove hoops atp
that thing was always on LTM
I don't think so
There are tournaments of it tho
I like that too
ig lmao
i mean
have you seen the people who grind the FUCK out of steam levels?
the amount of money theyve spent on trading cards..
for a number to go up that will allow you 5 more friends...
š„
bigger number = better
ok but the level theyve gone to is insane
like im steam level 70
and
its still like
6-10⬠on average
for 1 level
š
theyre like
5k+
if you're a big trader having a high steam level account suddenly makes sense
its more so "might as well"
he do be morphing
Yes
how can I make a fog for a specific location with command block?
Hacker
@arctic saffron are you going to kiss me?? š±
@umbral sundial it took me 1 hr loser
are you doing light gray now
then do it
second lever
Are you full clearing each dungeon?
uhhhh kinda
yes but i carry 1bum
because i destroy them
nuh uh
the mobs pmo
Have you already discovered chest sorting?
Itās not hinted in game I think
or go on trade market
i couldnt find the set from spring
why are you using r1 items in r2
Dissonant dagger and invigorating paddy hat is a good combination
do you want pink frags
because i wanted the cool sword
i have some i think
The sword is good
wtf its tradable
yeah
light gray is easier than pink
you just kill 3 dudes at the start and you can basically run all the way to the end
Itās not bad if you full clear
very
theres a shit ton of ghast and blaze spawners
- lava is everywhere
Itās not so bad undelved
it took me 2 days to beat it
YAY
Use freezeflame if you have one
i saw looni talking abt it
I have no rabbits
yea
im assassin
so fun
me when acro gets a buff
or
on the 2.0.3 - 2.1 update
I was asking a question!!
Then the answer is YES consensually
The humble trade market
oh ok :3
peak r1 experience
still orange :O
modpack?
no it is another rpg server
name?
Monumenta (I havent played this server but only heard)
i wanna try it, thank you
np
I can say what i have heared from other in the wynncord is that monumentas early game is abyssal instead of this what happens later
i just got 2 rarities from the spider boss at the start lmaoo
no laughies but game gets harder when I hit 80
Grootslang has more HP and damage that I couldnt resist that much, failed more than 10 times bcs lvl 80 average is full of brainrots or AFKers
Soo, is it worth to be patient or not
80 lvl asas btw, open for grounded builds
tbf, raids are some of the hardest content in the game
ngl it was easy before I hit 80 but now its more challenging and all my items/stats were same
alright buddy
š
obviously it is
this is not a hear me out
me when i say lies for no reason
its real good
try it
ok
be patient
the only low lvl raid builds are abusing mythic items
and youll get a better build later on
which will make raids easier
Or like
8 crafteds
the humble trickshade
rest in piss fallen you wont be missed
fallen is dead
I HATE fallen
bigmac is meta now
did you steal a guardian war build
Its not warrior
Indeed
Quien habla espaƱol :c
and what will we get from trickster rework?
It will prob end up doing dps similar to acrobat and not even be able to debuff bosses
i love gambling
No purple item=reroll
guys does anyt1 knows any issue with the bovine barn, i have all the leather but icannot start it
You have to have it in your inventory not your ingredients pouch
is in my hand
a wild anot in his natural habitat:
sry what that means
Hi
hi
Weird
omg
im finally done with companion quests
now only the events and the 200 side quests....
oh I also have the chests and puzzles too.....
W
what are those 2 dudes shooting at
Hell Yeah
please dont put the food on the ground
Hey everyone, I got a noob question. Starting to play minecraft after super long break. Does wynncraft housing offer players to farm on their land to make a profit from or is it just mainly for decorative purposes?
decorative and storage
Real shit
YAY
No se
anyone else lagging to hell on NA servers?
Not bad if I do say so myself. I got multiple tracker points and seperate arrays and roman numeral conversion to different files from the main file. Time to make a command now to write/rewrite/remove and delete array list options
? they are?
they are not
kudos to you for being pretty good at the game then
hello
what's more difficult than raids?
4x11 hq
4x11 hq
no blue beacon lootrun
and solar vanguard on the intended level
oh yeah true, I don't war so that slipped my mind
but in my defense, that's closer to player generated content than stuff provided by the server if anything
wynncrafters when they encounter the fabled 5x12 hq (I've never warred before)
If you have DPS and tanks itās not too bad
Until your dps doesnt dodge auraā¦
yeah but thats way harder
then raids
bye
yo is there any guide on a crit build assassin
What the flip
QuiƩn sabe
(se salió del server lmao)
tf is this the real narative omen player
Yes
Yo āš
damn, didn't think i'd see you here. been taking inspirations fro your plays
so can i just spam qira boss for master catalyst?
Catalyst? The item you trade in with the merchants?
If that one no, you can only get those once per class
If you mean the drops from qira
You can farm an infinite amount of times
they changed it
you can trade 10 qira catalysts for a voucher
Thats kinda lame
@shrewd spruce
Not kinda, very lame
same with any other qira hive boss
When they add that?
he was not cooking with his rage bait
š
Itās like comparing apples to oranges
he legit just completed tutorial, lv 2, no class
actually
he hasnt even gotten over the tutorial dungeon
Cro logged on js to rage bait š„
Is there any setting to disable Assassin clone
I donāt wanna see 3 clones of myself
It blocks my vision
What server is that?
Monumenta I assume
2/10 rage baitš®āšØ
Ghost ping
monumenta
i tried the other mmo and i got lost in the castle
my pfp is me yeah
they didnt put the king in an easy to reach room like in Ragni, which i found an odd decision
Like a king doesnt have an audience
... u arent supposed to meet the king yet?
which castle did u get lost in
yea u def didnt even try the game vro
@lament elm
Is there like a good timer or something anywhere for "Time till Annihilation"
Thereās a discord for it I think, but Iām not in it
hey guys thinking or returning to the game, hows the economy compared to last summer ?
yes there's a discord and i can send you link
Sure, send it
check dm
Peak minecraft gaming
We can't order the dock here, for some reason.
Is Fruma gonna be an update as big or bigger than the Gavel update?
Or is it gonna be self-contained smaller like silent expanse?
Well based purely on the size of fruma on the map, itās my guess that itāll be somewhat near SE
But also along with that, rekindled was supposed to come out with fruma
So, it might just be smaller because a bit of stuff which was supposed to release with fruma is already out
ŠŠµŠæŠ»Š¾Ń ой ник
I didn't know if world map had to be a square like if the space added with fruma would only fill in the corner
It would be nice for it to be a square/rectangle
But they could always just move the mountains away
meowr
thats nothing tho
If i wait long enough i can get pc on 5090
Lol
I literally do nothing for that amount of money
@indigo wagon
yeah but if thats your only income ur still broke lol
@indigo wagon @winged berry
Nope, i have good job
Around 600 euro per month cur im student and still lives with mom
Thats not a good job lol
Well depends
If u work like a day
Thats fine
I make double that in basically the same situation
Depends on the country
4-6 hours a day, 4 times per week
Ur cooked
I work 7 hours for 2 days
šš
That is a continent
It may sound unbelievable but income can vary a lot across a continent
Well if he uses euros his country is not a third world country
So 600 euros a month isnt a lot in any euro using country
Dumbass
i didnt
Those born in 2025 might live to see the year 3000
no they wont you
youā¦
WHAT
Bro isn't mathing
i dont even have words for you man
š
they wont be 975 years old
oh ok
Hey lil bro
Yeah ur a dumbass
Absolute clown
š¢
no
9o62
nope
hi
damn Trislore the ragebait really wasn't well hidden
This isnt even ragebait
but what if it is
š³
I wouldnt know
also realistically it isn't impossible for people born in 2025 to experience the year 3000. If we manage to make enough medical progress to increase our livespans at a higher rate than we age
I'll whip a guess was it a YouTube short
yea
Yk what else is realistic?
fruma by 2030?
You staying inside all day on wynncraft
I just went inside for my lecture 
Lecture about how grass looks?
Go outside maybe u can find some
Digital organisation
I saw some on my way here. It was blue
Is that what your life is supposed to be?
A digital organisation
I personally would call it a mental disability
23k
Wowie
no that is just part of modern management
Maybe modern manage your life
By showering once a day
Stinky ahh
it's hot outside, i'm sweating, that's not my fault!
Whose getting ragebaited now hmmmmm
ššš
the bait is getting raged :)
What does that even mean
I fogured
This is kinda madness
people calling me, a heavily underweight person, fat will never not just be hilarious to me
it absolutely is
afking makes it possible though 
Nvm ur just too busy playing wynncraft. Even being hungry csnt stop you from playing
Wynncraft first!!
I am just afk on Wynn while making food and eating it, it's as easy at that
Guessing your parents pay the elec bill?
if lucoolus was average weight would you still somehow find a way to use it as an insult
U can't miss a single minute!!
ofc
Obviously
lucoolus how DARE you be physically healthy
I'm not evne online rn wdym can't miss a single minute lmao
He just said he wasnt
Did your parents turn off ur.pc while u were going to a lecture?
I think 9o made a hypothetical insult if I were normal weight
Or are you detoxing?
no I did that myself
Detoxing it is
Im proud of you pal
Stay strong!!
why would I keep my pc running when i'm not home that's just wasting my parents money
.
Didnt u just say
Afking?
23k hours wasnt a waste
But now it is?
lucoolus i support your journey to recovery from the drug known as: wynncraft
Or did you get a lecture about how not to fuck ur parents up
W supporti
well technically not actually away from keyboard usually. It is at my pc but doing something other than playing Wynncraft. I do be sitting infront of my pc all day thought just a little more diverse than playing Wynn
wynncraft has a lot of withdrawal symptoms
including uhh
wait
what does wynn withdrawal have
Dont make it better pal
including but not limited too: gambling addiction
Thats still 23k hours behind ur pc
I am not trying to xD
there is no possible way for me to make that better
I think u mean hubbing?
Hubbing š
I meant gambling addiction as a withdrawal symptom from Wynncraft the drug
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/394525864450064396/1346095421793243176/VID_20250303_152211_165.mp4?ex=682290cd&is=68213f4d&hm=c1a951fac3de80f6e9132280ea4be4be9f4d4d27ae8430eca129b3b79627027d& this is what you dream of when you try to quit wynncraft
U can make it better by quitting wynncraft and working on yourself
Instead of your wynncraft character
Mmo symptoms
okay
- 1st I work on ALL my wynncraft characters not just one, get your facts right and
- 2nd I also work on Wynncraft as a game not just my stats
Bro swears hes a dev
I also do other stuff but who cares
Again hubbing?
What even is hubbing supposed to be š
probably doing /hub a lot
Think about that one
Exactly
yeh but that decreases playtime so in my context that is just stupid when I have /switch
i agree
so it wasn't me not getting hubbing it was me trying to make sense of hubbing when it didn't make sense in the first place now I get it
Nvm u probably just enjoy lari instead of hubbing
eww
Makes it easier to stay focused on wynncraft
I only simp for Seaskipper
I ship you guys
hehe. ship
although he is really driving more of a boat
is this screenshot even up to date? I swear the arena looks slightly different now
old displays solo i fear
oh yeh the nametag might be outdated too I forot what it looks like now
so whens fruma dropping
2027
Yesterday
in 10
i love riftwalker duping boss loot
Its riftwalker's fault?
yeah, timelock does that somehow
timelock is what gets me that consistently, but it could be a combo of wind slash + explosive entrance teleport
funny enough, you can also get 2x progression speed towards your weekly guild goal like this
i got 9/10 progress after doing 5 dungeons
Who up getting they 17le Anni reward
I'm gonna get a cache trust
Friend was interested in this, whats the build fr
this thing
a cursed thing is that in tcc, you don't even want to stand on platforms
just to the side of the boss and spam snake, you're more likely to get extra winded on other mobs for better timelocks like that
it constantly heals so the % dmg is irrelevant
oh shit
Wchief and gaia
I could do this shit on my ult if I get gaia..,
i have good earth warchief
for gaia, you want -10 snake cost at the very least, the rest is irrelevant
actually i could even say that you want low poison
well, a cursed thing about riftwalker is that it can cheese parkours
like 1 teleport has like 70 range with proper aspects and blinking
Mage can do that anyway
and when doing tcc, you can charge the hammer dude in challenge 3, timelock off it, grab fire and if you have a tier 3 mythic aspect, you can straight up just skip the parkour
you can't use teleport in parkour challenges
oh in raids
Well i dont
I only have t1, i used to have t2 but then i took a break for like 2 weeks and when i came back a bunch of mythic aspects had been reduced to t1 with 0 progress or just that i didnt have them at all (including rw) for sone reason
Super weird
how about "content team balancing gambit"
if a weapon was used by >10% players for its respective class the day before, it will deal halved damage
so for example if 30% of mages used warp, the next day when this gambit was used will make warp deal 50% dmg
but then let's say only 5% of mages used singularity, so its damage remains unchanged
all you need is just 1 attack with a weapon to make it qualify as used in raid
seriously though, this gambit would create some extremely interesting gameplay loop because you'd want to use off-meta builds
what would actually happen: damn i can't play the game today
better spend 8 stacks on a new build
or don't abuse the meta
damn i can' play the game today, better spend 8 stacks on an ew build
sounds very easy to troll with
i don't think you'd spend 8stx on an off-meta build
eventually it could be less convoluted: perfectly balanced gambit
if you're the player with the most damage dealt in this raid out of all alive players, your damage gets snapped in half
also probably wouldn't apply if you're the last one alive
need help with ??? quest(+2 players)
1.21.4

Can ppl help me for eldrith dungeon?
What do I have to type to see what people are selling?
with that build
you might as well just play fatal
wtf is that
D:
its worse
yea
same
thing
you just get more
ok but fatal is overused and boring
out of the same concept
gaia fun
true D:
you can also play trance offhand gaia 
Do we know roughly when Fruma may be releasing? I get that it might be pretty late in the year
gaia is wild
in 20 minutes
is there an alternative to lootruns
anyone who know how to do the wynntils info box program?
i need smth like
If uproot:
timer = 6
while timer > 0:
timer -= 1
print(timer)
peak anni moment
such a quality enjoyable content, would recommend
I absolutely agree.
Whats the thing people use that shows a dps UI thing when testing dps? not just the 1 over the training dummy
wynntils info box
some empty ones are available as ui elements that are disabled by default
just look em up and in the info text field type the function {adps}
{tdmg(x)} where x is seconds is also cool for measuring total dmg over a certain timeframe
my internet is fine but EU server is laggy as hell for me does anyone know why? other servers work just fine
them fuckin europeans, eh?
Try to swap eu world
The nitro is spreading o.O
Every time I lok at the staff bar, there are more and more banners
we're up to 6 at once
Lmao
Is it me or is EU worlds laggy like crazy??? My internet is fine, if I am on NA its fine, even though I am located in EU.....
I have no issues on other servers except Wynncraft when its EU currently.... Started like 30 min or so ago....
probably not the issue but #š«noticeboard message
same issue for me, it made anni even more unplayable then usual
couldnt even get the rewards cuz the chest got opened and closed during the lag š
if I have some leftover festival coins can I still spend them or do I have to wait until next year or should I just chuck 'em?
Yea you can use them in future events
I hit 522 mph
anyone got any qol stuff for fabric wynn?
wynntils????
omg its pon
aside from that..
Never forgive never forget
Never gonna give you up
oml
What's spell caster
where do i find this š
oh nvm
its just the same i have already where z-v casts them
do yall hate your players?
me when i read changelog
long live warp šļø
what is hpr cancel
health regen cancel aka the act of using everything u have that has positive health regen to cancel out ur main weapons negative health regen
how does it nerf warp then? isnt it good fpr warp or is the negative health regen increased
Which is an advantage for lightbender since that health decay lets you charge heal-based abilities faster but it's horrible for arcanist because it has no life sustain
And riftwalker is just "can it spam ice snake?"
Honestly as i play pure riftwalker, i can tell that it doesn't matter what your walk speed is, you spend a lot of time teleporting, flying or sniping mobs from a distance, so walk speed doesn't really matter with proper playstyle
Warp is going to be -650 raw health what could help deal with that ?
dont trust the numbers, idk how they calculate it but warp base hpr isnt -450
or perhaps -450 is the lowest and 650 the highest
play a different server instead
!link
got any suggestions? lets play together
wont actually leave im too addicted to this place
just please leave my favorite mythic alone for once š
bro i just got off league because i got annoyed & i go online and some random comes up to me and says "haha did you see the latest warp nerfs"
and now im even more annoyed
flying around with tp spam is just super fun istg
and 30 winded dont matter anymore as an arcanist huh
eh i only lootran with warp anyways
mfw a team works together to help eachother
i did like the "play 35 winded lightbender to enable your dps mage to still do only 5% of laby damage"
not sure why they remove that
kinda meh
supporting your friends not cool
š
i HATE teamwork :3
Cun caralho
Time to quit ššš
ć ¤
you sound like a pfinder lb player
buh
idk im just a little annoyed atm thats all
hope it will still be managable to play arca warp
ofc
my main class :(
answer!
or no
i infact do yes
ok well
nvm then
but a nice fix that works on some warpcanist builds is using aquamarine
instead
its probably fine
thanks its on my ult ironman š„
pfft
this too
item bomb btw
but yeah im quite sure it will be super duper fine if you just use aqua instead of bmask
i think i can just make higher hpr accessories with a lil less spell damage
yeah that works too
Anyone know how i can get to the "Bizarre Passage" Its near lutho and eldretch outlook, its the last territory i need to find but cant figure out how to reach it
i think you may need to complete the eldritch outlook to access it
you also need to do that to complete a hunters calling
haiii
Yea I havnt done the dungeon yet that was the issue thank you
What does getsockopt mean
It might mean that he's calling you gay
Idk why he would think that tho
That doesn't help...
I am level 75 warrior and my upper cut does 100k damage with 50% corruption is that normal?
guys help š im trying to explain linked lists in C on my exam but it sounds stupid
"If the current flight isn't at the end of the list, then link the next flight with the flight before the current flight"
I think I just unlearnt linked lists by reading that
Is this a remove?
If so, it makes sense, although you should also exclude the head as well
Yes, remove when itās not at the end of the list
Or the beginning
In the middle
My brain is cooked
Visualizing it makes way more sense, but this is just a comment in the code
o/
omg hakase
<@&268142859327242242> i feel like this tag shouldnt be allowed right?
and they were also advertising their server earlier
wats a good assassin build rn
geocentrism still bugged š„
Morph
maybe because the earth isnt the center of the solar system
Remember guys, Mythics are only purple because there aren't another color.
what are the chances for a mythic from a cave chest?
criiiispy and juicy now you're havin' a snaaaacck
oooh super spicy it's a LAVA ATTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK
guh
bro
why does it matter?
collectors
how much even is a boxed apocalypse?

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Pretty sure it's like 32le more than a regular unid one
blue mask is here bc it gives 12 sp of each stat, if you dont have that you cant use the crafted rings bc of the stats req and the crafted pants too
Ye ik thats what it does
But mayb other build allows
I havent used crafted warp in a loooong time
if you want to use aquamarine you have to run the lr build which deal around half the dps
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
but hey thats what the balance nerf wants, less dps, thjey hate dps xD
riftwalker in tcc be like
only having t2 rift aspect btw, i could go full cheese with t3 consistently

Hi guys I recently turnd lvl 50 (assassin), and I've always tried to level up all the stats equally. Should I start to worry about getting a specific build? Like with the skill tree, the other stats, armour...?
No
Just play for items that give you more stats/dmg but dont focus too much on a guild
You can think about it but no need to optimize it yet
I think the only thing you should look at is the xp bonus stats that make u grind faster but that all
After rekindled warps 15th nerf
They fucked up old riftwalker build now arcanist time to return shitty lb
Furry says real mans wand
nice elder changes guys
Fruma June 5
If this is false, something bad will happen to you
No thatās the deltarune release date
(your ice cream you buy will melt the second you buy it)
((for the rest of your life))
(((ā¹ļø)))
Better not be wrong about Fruma
Itās the deltarune release date ā¹ļø
just give other people money and ask them to buy it for you
I like you
Delightful
It will melt in his hands still
So you should hold it for him ig
guys could someone tell me what those percents stand for?
the rolls
Next to name is overall rolls, dont mind it
% next to IDs show how good or bad a roll is
Hold ctrl over them and you can see the min & max amount
yw
are the devs aware of orphion roar attack being broken
can you elaborate on "broken"
@gray shore btw ^
well it did roar (like the sound is there)
but there was no attack and it just ends right away and do other normal attacks
when it's supposed to fire projectiles and push players
it doesnt use the attack
it just stands still, charges it up and then keeps moving
without attacking at all
it plays the audio as well
also theres a bug where jump height doesnt work in parasite phase and also stealing doesnt work on parasite after parasite's first overtake
This fix has been done internally weeks ago and was logged fir hotfixing
changelog mention?
well it's broken now
orphion fr learned action cancel
maybe fixed next patc thenh who knows
Definitely fixed on release of this patch
add it to changelog then?
We don't add changes after posting
trance riftwalker does NOT exist
1: you are a fake riftwalker if you played after gust change
2: i dont see any build possibility that sustains
Offhand gaia
bruh
It sustains
how do u get a better horse
Combine em in crafting table in ur inventory or trade market
Dont gamble your horse
But you kinda only need a horse for earlygame
Once u read midgame your movement spell should be faster
So true
How will this impact lebrons legacy
test
Doesn't make any sense to me, but sounds like something the content team would do.
how do i know if there is a double xp on ?
i just linked my account and i wanna know if the double xp is already active
It will say in chat, or if you kill a mob, the exp text is in purple
I think it also says on the bossbar, though i might be wrong for that
Ye
But its rng
20% chance to increase in tier
30% chance to stay the same tier
50% to downgrade a tier (if black horse or higher, otherwise same effect as staying same tier)
jesus bruh
Gambling!
Aka getting a black from two browns is 20% and 80% to fully fail
While otherwise its whatever
just buy it for 24eb
Isnāt the quest for your first horse like level 13 now anyway
test
Go to ragni and beg for recruiting fr
imagine running to a person using silverbull thinking they are lvl 1
me be like
Ok what if they are
Me when i make a new class

Anyone else lagging pretty bad at the moment, bad ping spikes
Try the other regions
See if that makes it better
as servers...
Will do, always assumed the recommended server was the best
Yeah it's servers if that's what you mean, odd tho cause there's not that many on
It tries to put you in the closest region
Whether that region is experiencing issues we can figure out if you have ping lag in other regions
Heard, gimme a bit gonna update laptop first that's step 1
Oh fr so it's not just me
Yeah 4 hours ago sounds right
If you have a VPN, you could also try that afterwards
If the switching regions doesnt work
Will do thank you sir!
funny
nice
hii
hiii
we
test
a bit laggy spell cycle, but will do
like 700-750k swarm dps with a sub-optimal spell cycle
thank u for that
lament lb or trance lb whats better
lament if you wanna stay alive trance if you wanna cosplay glasscanon
u got a good lament build?
wynn down?
does anyone know where i can install wynnās official resource pack?
i cant find one for version 1.20+
Yo are wynncraft servers down rn“?
was the squawking animation and sound on the seagulls removed?
oh, I tought I was the problem
EU servers pepsi

i have a feeling there might be a ddos attack on certain wynn servers/ proxies lol
this seems too targeted
ah great, they hate EU players 
what is the IP for the freedom proxy?
Lament outdamages trance though so-
If you want to be glassy simply run a glassy lament build
Youāll get higher heals and more damage
what the dmg on glass lament anyway

