📚lore_discussion

[formal bridge]

Yeah fruma never even spoke to ragni for centuries up until the recruit program

[sick quest]

it would be pretty easy for her to exert more direct control over ragni, troms, and detlas, but instead she uses Wynn as a shield/a mask

The only state she probably has beef with is the corkians given how she talks about the people who rebel against her

I imagine we’ll learn more about fruman politics from the wastelands and the ults

[formal bridge]

I imagine she was upset for a while about corkus but stopped caring ince she realzied they were gone for good and never returning. So long as they stay out of fruma she leaves them alone

By now the original people involved are long dead

[sick quest]

Yeah Markus Corkus, Winston Wynn, Gabby Gavel, Silena Silent Expanse, and Freddy Fruma are all dead

[split night]

Lari and the parasite:

[thick plover]

based

[neat oriole]

lari would watch the parasite maul half of gavel and still say mercy ❤️

[gleaming apex]

I'm still waiting for the giant corkian mecha to show up

[narrow kestrel]

Is there a secret discovery involving Majin

[split night]

yeah

[unique pumice]

there is?

[split night]

there's one about him harassed and bully Gale if you count that one

everytime i said that it felt like an understatement

[unique pumice]

oh true

[astral void]

Okay so I know this is used for but idk when and where ancient wynnic appears. So like I wanna transcribe stuff

Where can I find ancient wynnic stuff?

[dim plover]

All over the game honestly

[digital swan]

you can't anymore

doesn't it autotranscribe when you have the book

[dim plover]

God I wish that was the case

I made that suggestion awhile back, actually

[digital swan]

it autotranscribes Eyeball yap I know that at least

[indigo plover]

regarding the mistwoods' medallion system, do people really burn their medallion when threatened?

[dim plover]

To like, have the books actually auto-translate stuff

Since they don’t

[indigo plover]

i saw it happen in the quest, but is it a normal occurence

[digital swan]

I think maybe only eyeball yap gets autotranscribed then

[dim plover]

@digital swan Did Wynncraft finally make those books translate in live-time? If that’s the case then that’s sick

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah that what it meant to do

since if you in danger, it mean you probalby going to die anyway

so you burn your madallion to prevent changeling from changing into you

[drifting aurora]

no

[hybrid gazelle]

well

they still change into you

but people would know it is not you

[indigo plover]

but im assuming theres plenty more people who survive and are shunned from society

like the guy in the quest

[astral void]

Oh right what did bro actually say in fantastic voyage and EO?

[indigo plover]

are they meant to make a new medallion or just gotta deal with it

[digital swan]

maybe it's a bug then
after getting transcriber all eyeball text is normal lowercase green colored irish

or whatever it is

somewhere from that area

[drifting aurora]

are you using wynntils

[digital swan]

ohhhhhh wynntils does it nvm

that's stupid wtf

[hybrid gazelle]

pretty sure if you are the real person

then you would know a way to recreate it

therefore it likely wont be premeant

from what i can see

or at least theorize

is that process of making madelllion is very secretive to the people of Aldwell

so the changeling would not know of it

[indigo plover]

that makes more sense

[digital swan]

wynntils suggestion to remove autotransciption shit

[hybrid gazelle]

but this particular changeling we see in burning bonds likely manage to find a way to replicate the process

[indigo plover]

but the changeling knew the process

yea

[digital swan]

idk wynntils staff so like someone relay that to them

[hybrid gazelle]

my theory is that medallion is a unintended way to force changeling to be quick with taking out its victim and not sloppy as its job

to ensure they manage to get the medallion before it burn

because mistwood meant to be c hangeling trainning ground

and the entire enviroment meant to turn changeling into perfect agent for the crown

[indigo plover]

where else have the changelings been sent to that we've seen?

[hybrid gazelle]

so the medallion system is perfect to train changeling

[hybrid gazelle]

Jiro

[manic kraken]

hot take: Yahya is the source of corruption, the Realm beast of War is just his pet

[dim plover]

Would be cool if the in-universe reason why the Changelings don’t turn into you is because of that emptiness gimmick the player has preventing them from doing so

Seemed to stop Volmor in that one Canyon quest from what little I remember

[hybrid gazelle]

Changeling dont appear too much in the story beside mistwood

becuase those who made it out of mistwood are the really good one

which explain why you dont see one because if you see one

then they are bad at their job

[indigo plover]

when was this revealed?

maybe i havent gotten to that part

[hybrid gazelle]

It very subtle

here

it reveal in echo of change

but it's very missable

[indigo plover]

ill have to pay more attention to that part on my next playthrough

[split night]

Changeling have a very light eyecolor
this apply to every one of them

you should check for that

unless someone naturally have light eyes colour

xd

[agile jacinth]

Bak'al is so hot that he is on fire

[indigo plover]

does the mistwoods have open borders with the industrial district

[dim plover]

wdym by open borders

[indigo plover]

can the residents go between them freely

becuase the auburn forest people need a passport

[dim plover]

I think mistwoods is like locked away from the rest of the province

[agile jacinth]

Fr

[cedar kernel]

What are all of the seaskipper’s fourth wall breaks

[wise thorn]

Probably not

[cedar kernel]

I’d assume the passage sees very little use anyways since the introduction of rail

[compact agate]

Don’t you take passage to aldwell from timesca

[pallid glen]

just shout bells right?

[zenith coral]

i like the times when games show fourth wall breaks as a sign of supreme power, like with seaskipper

no but seriously i like the trope

[vestal sentinel]

is there a list of all fruman military ranks and their appearance?

[mossy badge]

There's actually a book about that in the uni library

[vestal sentinel]

yea but i kinda need like, screenshots of these mf

[mossy badge]

Wiki 🤷‍♂️

[vestal sentinel]

the png dont even work 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

I think I have ss

wait let me chec,

[vestal sentinel]

oh i mean like, the mobs themselves.
ig i will just take screenshot of them myself, sorry for bothering 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

oh you mean that

yeah I dont have that

oh yeah dont forget about constable picket

they are only on the borderw all of each region

either that or they are in WE

WE have some exclusive mobs which among them being specific soldiers and rank

like constable using shotgun

or mancatcher

[young dock]

What Xima division 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[hybrid gazelle]

border guard

[dim plover]

There’s a Sovereign Xima right

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

[dim plover]

(First name John)

[hybrid gazelle]

Xima Thalas

[frozen turtle]

there is also Xima Valley

who was Xima bro he like is a celebrity

[hybrid gazelle]

he is auburn soverign that made fort Torann

and likely big as the Nasin consider they are rival

tbh they probably are bigger than nasin in modern day

but yeah

[frozen turtle]

i feel like out of all the Sovereigns in the past he's got the most recognition

or at least things named after him

[mossy badge]

Wasn't he also the most hated

[ancient dock]

whats this place?

Is this related to a quest cuz I don't remember

[mossy badge]

The ternaves (i think) prison 🗿

[ancient dock]

Is that a thing?

[mossy badge]

Nah but its been on map for a lot of time

[split night]

decoration

[ancient dock]

Ah alright I see

[mossy badge]

There are actual functioning door(s) lol

[ancient dock]

How do you enter it?

[mossy badge]

U can't

[ancient dock]

Cuz there is an exit within the compounds

[mossy badge]

Im pretty sure entering the exit.. exits u

So nothing really

[ancient dock]

Well yeah lol I thought there might be something inside

[lone bone]

I have a question, what's the place in the tutorial when we first enter Wynn province? Like it's just after Fruma, but it's before the Ragni castle? And there are buildings like a windmill etc, so is it some kind of vacation home for Ragni's king? But then why is it here that we first enter in Wynn?

It also doesn't really make sense lore wise that Wynn own a big chunk of land in Fruma territory

[pine flower]

Ragni outskirts?

[lone bone]

I mean it's called outskirt but it's a small place with no one

Like this

Since we get the "Province of Wynn" title when entering it, that mean Wynn own a quite large part of Fruma

The geopolitic of Wynn is very interesting 🤔

[dim plover]

Do we know that that chunk of land belongs to Fruma

Like, it says Province of Wynn so I would say that the land beyond that gate is literally just Wynn

[lone bone]

I mean it's in the big Fruma square

[dim plover]

Ok but that doesn't mean that that land is Fruma

The Fruma square is just some imaginary shape that us players determined

But the tutorial shows us that that region in the tutorial after the gates is Wynn territory, not Fruma

[shy hemlock]

fruma and se are both part of mainland wynn so i would consider both a part of wynn province. fruma just has its own government and is in isolation while SE is a fucking quarantine zone

[lone bone]

Not really since the snowy mountain also mark the border between Fruma and the "colonies", now Ragni etc

[lone bone]

Since we only get the title when entering "Ragni outskirt" I wouldn't say Fruma count as part of Wynn province. It's part of the Wynn continent, but not province

[shy hemlock]

Okay continent probably is the accurate term

[frozen turtle]

Thats the tutorial area right?

It may be "apart of the Wynn Province" but we learn that the entire area is just run by Fruma/everything is staged. So I think its more accurate we're told its the Wynn Province because the Fruma people want us to think it is for our journey.

[dim plover]

Fruma and Wynn are in the same continent

[shy hemlock]

Fruma and Wynn are governments while SE is international death zone

[dim plover]

What are you talking about

[lone bone]

Yes I just said it

[shy hemlock]

oh you made a typo

[dim plover]

Nevermind I misread

[shy hemlock]

Oh nvm

You didnt

[dim plover]

I am so confused rn

[shy hemlock]

dammit purple you made me misread too

[dim plover]

gaslighting moment

[lone bone]

Honestly make sense

[dim plover]

Isn't the staged part just until the caravan

[lone bone]

Just feels a bit weird since Ragni's king doesn't seem to be too much aware of the whole staging thing, so his soldiers helping us through the tutorials woudln't know either

Except if Ragni's king been in on the secret this whole time...

This mf

[frozen turtle]

I'm pretty sure the entire thing is staged

Like the cave being "blocked off" but only one way Im assuming

That soldier in the cave

who like, forces us to go through a cave

[neat oriole]

free for all

[frozen turtle]

just to slow us down

[hexed birch]

The npcs are also part of it, thats why they force us to do the tutorial and try to stop us in journey home

[neat oriole]

i mean like

province relies on these recruits

[frozen turtle]

Its all FAKE

[neat oriole]

they may not know how fruma gets those recruits

[lone bone]

Oh I tought they were just trying to do their job lmao I didn't though they actually were in the conspiracy xD

[shy hemlock]

i wish the light had a zone like silent expanse too but it was dead because of the decay

oh wait thats the dark forest

[lone bone]

Can I make my own independent country in SE since it doesn't belong to any nation

[hexed birch]

The game outright speaks about how suspicious the tutorial is after weve gone back through it at some point but i cant remember when

[neat oriole]

ye

[frozen turtle]

n o one lives in the SE, i wouldnt even say its like a country

[hexed birch]

Trampling on ancient olm culture smh smh

[lone bone]

ye so can I claim it

[lone bone]

I mean that would be lore accurate to real life

[frozen turtle]

Olms never existed, humans came first propoganda

[lone bone]

Big moth is controlling you

Someone please make a Big Brother GIF but with the Fruma Queen instead

[frozen turtle]

if anything I'd say Silverbull Owns SE, apart from us their the only like people there who have set up shop

[shy hemlock]

big two is watching you

2

[lone bone]

Honestly more info about Two is one of the thing I'm the most hyped up for

[full jackal]

how do they get there though

is it because we opened it up for them?

If yes then that must mean their forces must be really good to be anle to get throuh the expanse

[shy hemlock]

was she like, the first sovereign?

[frozen turtle]

First Sovereign, Second Scion

[shy hemlock]

Yea

Oh wait anathema creates two?

[hexed birch]

The story that goes around is that SE silverbull is a monster in disguise

[frozen turtle]

SE silverbull is just a bunch of obsessors

[frozen turtle]

what?

[shy hemlock]

scion

[frozen turtle]

Scion is like, blessed by a erealm beast

[hexed birch]

She existed before but became blessed by ana

[frozen turtle]

Lari is a Scion

[shy hemlock]

oh my bad

Ya ik

[frozen turtle]

lari shouldnt exist

tho

[shy hemlock]

Bak’Al is the first scion right

[hexed birch]

Yea

[shy hemlock]

and she asks us to kill him

betrayal stuff

[frozen turtle]

Bak'al more like

One

[frozen turtle]

well he betrayed her so thats why

by ditching her for Saphanis

[shy hemlock]

evil

[lone bone]

Wait is that actually stated somewhere?

[lone bone]

I mean how did they get in Fruma tho

[shy hemlock]

What i dont understand is how Anathema formed her body as Her Majesty

[split night]

Bak'al kind of betrayed her and cause more destruction with his new mommy Saphanis

[shy hemlock]

it mentions of someone

[hexed birch]

That one just isnt explained lmao

[split night]

Bak'al did that

[frozen turtle]

well
We know she's the 2nd Scion (its why she's called Two by people),
the 1st scion was bak'al not a scion
I'd doubt she'd become a Scion and not become a Sovereign until after someone else did

[split night]

pretty sure

[frozen turtle]

Bak'al used resonance weaver

[hexed birch]

There was thoughts of a story where they were a completely different group that just happened to do the exact same thing but it was never implemented

[split night]

yep

what

[shy hemlock]

Oh what

[lone bone]

I mean my headcannon is that Two is an Olm joining War's side to take revenge against Saphanis

[frozen turtle]

same bak'al who doesnt understand basic runes (AHC lore so he probably actually does)

[split night]

The resonanc weaver Soosu is making is a copy

[shy hemlock]

I know that

[split night]

yeah

Bak'al helped Anathema transition

[shy hemlock]

But where is it said that Bak’Al made the first

[split night]

basically

[hexed birch]

Its not a copy, its a thingy around the original core

[frozen turtle]

a shell

[hexed birch]

The red orb with the runes around it is the original resonance weaver

[shy hemlock]

trans queen

but literal

[hexed birch]

Post raid dialogue

99% of any and all new bakal lore is from that

[lone bone]

Like would explain the time/space magic, the design also fit and it just make sense tbh

[shy hemlock]

i guess i never connected that “he” to bak’al for some reason

I just hyperfixated on ts part lol

[lone bone]

Btw in Apotheosis why do they say "oh the strange symbol on it represent the elements" or smth like that when it's the Runes
Like is each rune linked to an element?

[hexed birch]

Yes

[frozen turtle]

yeah the 5 runes are the 5 elements

Tol is green and earth

um i forget the rest

Dark blue one is water, light blue is air

Ek is thunder and pink one is fire

[hexed birch]

Nii = fire
Az = water
Tol = earth
Uth = air
Ek = thunder

[frozen turtle]

Oh wait

is Uth air

[hexed birch]

Yeah

[lone bone]

Wait wtf? I totally skipped that part
That's honestly very interesting, that mean the player come from something even the big two god couldn't detect (personal theory is we are the Scion of this world god)

[frozen turtle]

isnt uth the darker blue one

[hexed birch]

You can think of it as more “sky blue” i suppose

And water as teal

But the colours dont match perfectly anyway

[frozen turtle]

oh weird

Az seemed more air to me

[lone bone]

ig I just don't like the fact that runes have level if they are linked to element
Like does that imply elements have a hierarchy or smth

[split night]

how did you miss that xd
the spark thing has spawned so many player is realm beast theory that i lost count

[shy hemlock]

considering Anathema sees us have a familiar spark honestly it is very well possible

Either that or we literally are the beast in some weird way

[hexed birch]

Nah thats just gameplay, i dont think the runes were even meant to be elements when they were first made

[frozen turtle]

did anyone else think Az was the air rune or is that just me

[hexed birch]

Before testing the powder specials i was assuming it would be yeah lol

[lone bone]

No but like I'm crashing out cuz when I asked about the players origin after finishing Fruma I was told we don't know nothing about it, and when I proposed my theory of us being linked to this beast realm wayyy before I even know of this dialogue (just learned it just now) I was called crazy

[frozen turtle]

they should change it

[shy hemlock]

physical plane beast vs orphanis

[lone bone]

Like eeeeverybody was telling me "nah but this world doesn't have realm beast, it's the realm of uh reality while light and dark are just concept so they have their beast but not the physical plane"

I WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG

[split night]

it's fine we've all been there

i personally take the spark thing as this

[lone bone]

I AM A GENIUS

[shy hemlock]

cant say orphanis without orphan

[split night]

<Character>'s FRIEND INSIDE ME THEORY

[lone bone]

Ah yes, can't wait for Orphion and Saphanis to do a Dragon Ball fusion at the end of the final quest to fight us

[lone bone]

Internet forever dirtied my mind the first think I thought when reading this was not PG 13

[frozen turtle]

i hope but i very much doubt that Wastelands upadte will shed light a bit more about the spark

cuz in that one quest where we read about the changeling pit or whatever, the term spark was used so many times

[split night]

it's a deltarune meme

[lone bone]

True I did notice that too

Gikyo was our long lost brother and we killed him 😔

[lone bone]

ik

[split night]

the 51 they them citation

[lone bone]

tf does that mean

[frozen turtle]

changelings have a very interesting connection the physical realm, which considering the theories about us being connected to it too makes sense

I loved Gikyo and mistwoods in general but i feel like it wasnt explored much

[lone bone]

Yeah Mistwood is def lacking in lore tbh

I was hyped ASF when I first heard/seen this misty forest with strange beast but it's like the less filled part of Fruma

[lone bone]

wtf

So Gikyo is actually multiple person

[split night]

😭

[hexed birch]

Theyre just gender neutral

[lone bone]

OH

I'm stupid

[split night]

yeah i agree with that

xd

[lone bone]

see they/them pronouns "oh they are multiple person"

Also I'm thinking the fact we can change ability tree and stuff is kinda fitting if we're related to changelings

Honestly I wish we could have had a Gikyo becoming our big brother like Choso in JJK 😔

[frozen turtle]

I mean gikyo is kinda multiple people in a way

[dim plover]

I am really tempted to make this a cutscene now

I just need to make an Anathema model which shouldn't actually take too long compared to all the Sovereigns

[full jackal]

How is anathema easier than the sovereigns

[full jackal]

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[hybrid gazelle]

They are non binary

[hybrid gazelle]

not really

changeling mimic through observation and apperance

they mimic not making somehting else entirely

[lone bone]

I mean our ability to change as we want

[full jackal]

Wait someone add Gikyo’s pronouns in the wynncraft wiki and cite it as many times as possible

[lone bone]

Like on a spiritual sense

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean that literally apply to anything but sure

I guess

[full jackal]

…I … don’t think the other characters are canon

[frozen turtle]

EVERYTHING is canon

[lone bone]

?

[full jackal]

No I mean the creation of new characters

I’m not sure if that’s canon

[lone bone]

That's why I was mentioning ability tree

[frozen turtle]

Our archetypes i dont think are considered "canon", like lightbender doesnt make sense (especially before we ever meet orphion)

[hybrid gazelle]

CT mention that Atree are not canon yes

Atree are INSPIRED by canon

[frozen turtle]

Trapper is canon imo

its the only canon archetype

[full jackal]

Ability tree is…

[lone bone]

oh let me have my headcannon please don't ruins this for me

[full jackal]

I mean I’d imagine that it’s just uhh even if it was canon

[hybrid gazelle]

so basically
Canon lore - > Atree
CAnon lore <-/- Atree

[full jackal]

It’d probably be an ethereal rune tablet where you can manifest your newfound power in abilities

And like the it’s not really changing yourself

More so changing the form of your power instead of you yourself

Like different expressions of abilities idk

[lone bone]

ik Gikyo would agree with me

[full jackal]

Let’s ask them then!

Oh… right

[frozen turtle]

Its more just for gameplay reasons, especially since people can change their abilities.
Like its canon the player yk is strong and has power but just not that it's an archetype

[hybrid gazelle]

Changeling more of the fact that they change to another identity

while doing shit like

summon light beam or meteor is more of

[frozen turtle]

Chaneglings only really change their physical stuff

[hybrid gazelle]

"wow let me change what I can do"

[full jackal]

I mean Azael sorta has a main form though

[hybrid gazelle]

unless you are a person who only defy what they can do

which is

fucking depressing if that the case

changing atree should not change oyu as identity

[full jackal]

And Gikyo’s human form is pretty clearly their main one

I think…

[hybrid gazelle]

but changeling do because their point is that they must assume the act of the person they disguise

this is actually main driving point of Azeal and Gikyo relationship

and how they are foil to each other

[full jackal]

Yea but I feel like with people like Azael or Gikyo they like… have formed a core self though

[frozen turtle]

i think their main form is just an identity they want, and its hard to tell if given the choice they'd have multiple forms

[full jackal]

Yea I’d say that counts

[frozen turtle]

cuz most of them are required to either be spies, assume an identity or cannot be revealed as a changeling like Azael

[full jackal]

Well in that case that would be their main form because that’s the one they want

[frozen turtle]

if Azeal was open about being a changeling, would he be in that form all the time? who knows

[full jackal]

True i guess

But when we fight Gikyo they assumes their human form for half the fight

[frozen turtle]

and also do like, general citzens know that Gikyo is a changeling i'd assume not

right

[split night]

I mean he keep it in his room, someone probably guess that he is a changeling just because he has been with them for very long
also is this a transmasc allegory

[full jackal]

So like… uhh

[split night]

xd

[full jackal]

I

[frozen turtle]

oh and also isnt it that

[full jackal]

I’m not sure honestly

[frozen turtle]

changelings kinda learn forms most the time

like when they develop

[hybrid gazelle]

Cahngeling can be view as trans allegory I guess I am not really well verse in these topic

[full jackal]

I just think that CT says Gikyo uses they/them in their main human form, Gikyo seems to usually use his human form even when alone

[frozen turtle]

i dont think changelings are the best trans allegory

mostly

[hybrid gazelle]

but consider it's about being without identity that feel theyw ant to gain identity and there have concept such as gender

we are talking about Azeal

[full jackal]

So I’d assume that Gikyo the changeling would usually use they/them pronouns idk

[hybrid gazelle]

not changeling as a whole

[split night]

I think natural changelings probably imitate other form of life as a way to avoid danger and survive, assuming that they evolved naturally

[hybrid gazelle]

Azeal is a changeling who embrace to have single identity

[split night]

im talking only azael

[full jackal]

I think Gikyo has sorta gained an identity because as a sovereign they don’t need to do spying as much

[hybrid gazelle]

rather than using it as disguise like other changeling

[split night]

Did changeling actually evolved naturally??

[frozen turtle]

and probably while living in a society, having a single identity is their best way of surviving

[frozen turtle]

idk the tar pit thing in true colours is weird

[full jackal]

We’ll have to wait until Wastelands I suppose

[frozen turtle]

they might not of evolved

is evolution canon

[full jackal]

I mean maybe they’re a highly specialised camouflager

[split night]

I mean imitate other life form is an extremely insane ability to even evolved naturally xd
they might be the apex predator if that's true

[frozen turtle]

not really tho

they change their entire biology

[full jackal]

Yea and like

How though

That is so…

How

[shy hemlock]

magic aliens from wastelands ore 👻

[split night]

Magic

[frozen turtle]

there is a reason, we dont know until wastelands

[split night]

They're like water and earth element, similar to dogun

[full jackal]

The only way I’d see that happening is if Orphion and Saph influenced the changelings themselves

[frozen turtle]

its just another meteor

[split night]

just water

[hybrid gazelle]

what we know

[shy hemlock]

we have wocs and then we have changelings

[hybrid gazelle]

it entirely possible that the purple goop that they spit out

[shy hemlock]

wocs are changelings theory

[hybrid gazelle]

is likely biomass that they produce in order to take into different shape

[shy hemlock]

supported by nothing at all

[frozen turtle]

i kinda hope their not but rather all 5 elements lowkey

[full jackal]

That means they’d have to eat quite a lot

[full jackal]

Blåhk’alj

[dim plover]

?

[frozen turtle]

bahkal is trans??

i didnt know that wow

[split night]

wjat mp

no

Bak'al isn't trans xd
he's not even an allegory

where did you even get that

[frozen turtle]

from

[full jackal]

2 words

Actually 4

A little birdie said

So

Okay that was 5 actually

[frozen turtle]

from the dialogue right above what i said

trans shark, reply was bakal

[full jackal]

I got it from the fact that I misremembered what the plushie was called

And I thought it was more similar to Bak’al’s name than it actually was

[split night]

ot

it's a blahaj

[full jackal]

Yea ik I thought it was called a Bahal

[full jackal]

I actually own one myself T_T

And it was only to fill in a bingo card

Worth it

[split night]

bla hah is how i pronouce it always

[full jackal]

I mean the å is a shortened version of Ao

It’s actually pronounced blow high

I keep neglecting to pay attention in class cuz I’m drawing wynncraft shit for some reason

[limber swan]

me too

[split night]

the spark is us, the <Character> contain insane chaotic gremblin hidden within the mask of vast emptiness

[regal spire]

Bless you

[full jackal]

There are a lot of ways to pronounce it

All of them are incorrect except one

But you’re the first wrong one

[regal spire]

I thought you sneezed; I was just being polite

Never doing that again

[full jackal]

Oh i thought you meant you pronounce blåhaj as bless you

[untold warren]

time for some more freaky theories

https://tenor.com/view/dob-dob-dob-rizz-black-man-ha-ha-ha-gif-17039177668047803738

[full jackal]

I rebuke thee begone demon

[untold warren]

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-sonic-gif-16480151311255377524

[full jackal]

SANCTE MICHAEL ARCHANGELE, DEFENDE NOS IN PROELIO, CONTRA NEQUITIAM ET INSIDIAS DIABOLI ESTO PRAESIDIUM. IMPERET ILLI DEUS, SUPPLICES DEPRECAMUR: TUQUE, PRINCEPS MILITIAE CAELESTIS, SATANAM ALIOSQUE SPIRITUS MALIGNOS, QUI AD PERDITIONEM ANIMARUM PERVAGANTUR IN MUNDO, DIVINA VIRTUTE, IN INFERNUM DETRUDE.

[untold warren]

https://tenor.com/view/virtual-sin-forgiveness-man-flies-backwards-rizz-man-dies-gif-4887868901641697734

[full jackal]

JÚDICA DÓMINE NOCÉNTES ME; EXPÚGNA IMPUGNÁNTES ME.
CONFUNDÁNTUR ET REVEREÁNTUR QUAERÉNTES ÁNIMAM MEAM.
AVERTÁNTUR RETRÓRSUM ET CONFUNDÁNTUR, COGITÁNTES MÍHI MÁLA.
FÍANT TÁAMQUAM PÚLVIS ANTE FÁCIEM VÉNTI: ET ÁNGELUS DÓMINI COÁRCTANS EOS.
FIAT VIA ILLÓRUM TÉNEBRAE, ET LÚBRICUM: ET ÁNGELUS DÓMINI PÉRSEQUENS EOS.
QUÓNIAM GRÁTIS ABSCONDÉRUNT MÍHI INTÉRITUM LÁQUEI SUI: SUPERVÁCUE EXPROBRAVÉRUNT ÁNIMAM MEAM.
VÉNIAT ILLI LÁQUEUS QUEM IGNÓRAT; ET CÁPTIO QUAM ABSCÓNDIT, APREHÉNDAT EUM: ET IN LÁQUEUM CÁDAT IN IPSUM.
ÁNIMA ÁUTEM MEA EXSULTÁBIT IN DÓMINO: ET DELECTÁBITUR SUPER SALUTÁRI SUO. GLÓRIA PÁTRI, ET FÍLIO, ET SPIRÍTUI SANCTO.
SÍCUT ÉRAT IN PRINCÍPIO ET NUNC ET SEMPER, ET IN SAÉCULA SAÉCULÓRUM.

I’m not even religious but you make me want to believe that there’s a special place for you /j

[untold warren]

You are my special

Dododododod

[slim belfry]

now how can all these be tied into lore

[fleet hemlock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1056598901383250041/1465707720232665184/attachment.gif

[untold warren]

wynn lore
exorcism

[terse flame]

hi random thing, cant believe i have to say this
no latin revenge prayers in lore discussion please

[fleet hemlock]

😭

thats a new one

[full jackal]

Wynnic people used to think that Corruption was caused by evil spirits

They began capturing weak corrupteds and tried to exorcise them with bovemist

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-laugh-monkey-ksi-primal-gif-15771937260145199571

[full jackal]

Did not go well at all

[untold warren]

Archangel Michael does not exist in wynn bro 😭🙏

[full jackal]

Priests got corrupted

[terse flame]

not with that attitude

[fleet hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/curse-of-ra-curse-of-ra-gif-10622361558915339590

[slim belfry]

the closest we have is bob me thinks

idk

[fleet hemlock]

Nah hes actually in the sky islands

[full jackal]

I swear if you try and do smash or pass with the potential inspiration for the designs of more characters

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-translate-gif-12052961640477791272

[full jackal]

Angels… are weird though

Cuz usually they’re associated with light

But Orphion is pretty much completely irrelevant there

[fleet hemlock]

nexus of light room 2 resource combat

[untold warren]

Bob is much more of a deity than Orphion tbh

[mossy badge]

Are wonncraft angels tho? (sky islands)

[slim belfry]

I guess that the angels on the sky islands are related to the harpies in the canyon

[untold warren]

Like in terms of how people remember you

[fleet hemlock]

evil god slykaar

[full jackal]

Sorry lmao

[full jackal]

Why harpies though

Like every possible fantasy race

[slim belfry]

bird wing humanoids?

[full jackal]

Exists in eastern gavel

[mossy badge]

W gavel

[full jackal]

Including gargoyles, dragons, talking mushrooms, doguns, dwarves, elves, goblins, trolls, furries, gnomes

Angels, mages

[terse flame]

that was a new one to be fair

[full jackal]

I’m honoured you had to make a new rule for me

[full jackal]

And they don’t seem to have any lore behind them

[slim belfry]

only 5 or 6 of them do

[full jackal]

I mean orcs are the native inhabitants of Llevigar

And they’re that strong because…

Wait what do the Llevigarians even eat

Pork?

[lavish knot]

A lot of Gavel was putting as much high fantasy thing as possible

[full jackal]

Chiken?

Apples?

[full jackal]

That’s… not a very good mindset to be having when building lore

[lavish knot]

I assume seafood because of its by the ocean

[mossy badge]

Talking mushrooms are not a race, are they

[untold warren]

5 minutes in Gavel or 2 hours in Fruma? Where are y'all staying

[full jackal]

It’s still weird it exists

Also dragons

[slim belfry]

nope there's lore behind why the talking mushroom is a thing

[full jackal]

And colossi

[mossy badge]

Its a single guy from an experiment

[terse flame]

@gusty plover heh.

[untold warren]

HE'S 25???

[full jackal]

What?

[lavish knot]

The mushroom is not a normal occurrence

[slim belfry]

who is 25 not me

[full jackal]

Who’s Tari

[terse flame]

hide and seek friend

[untold warren]

I don't know

Fowl

[full jackal]

2 hours Fruma probably

[terse flame]

i hid from them in gavel for 2 hours

[full jackal]

Oh cool

[untold warren]

Where would you rather live? Fruma, Gavel, or Wynn?

[full jackal]

You should hide in the Bigger Picture cave

That place is impossible to find

[slim belfry]

no ocean right

[terse flame]

that is exactly where i hid

[mossy badge]

Potato storage island

[lavish knot]

If we pick the region, can we also pick the location?

[full jackal]

WAIT ACTUALLY X_X

[terse flame]

ye lol

[untold warren]

Wynn politics

[full jackal]

Honestly I think we can all agree that that place is impossible to get to

@terse flame do i have permission to resend the exorcism thing

[terse flame]

that was an EXORCISM?!

why

[full jackal]

Because

Freaky flamboyant wynn larper

Is… well perfectly described by their name

[terse flame]

no

[full jackal]

^

[terse flame]

maybe

[full jackal]

The switch from no to maybe was crazy

[terse flame]

not here though

[full jackal]

Okay lmao

[untold warren]

@terse flame we got some serious political questions

And thighs

Yeahhhh

[slim belfry]

prayer in ancient wynnic by using the dark to vanquish the light

screw orphion

[frozen turtle]

Thank you kind sir

[untold warren]

Are there any philosophers in the lore?

[full jackal]

Nope

But I imagine the twains did a lot of it

[raw badge]

I'm guessing Deraj Prison's nickname "Gravity's Monolith" must mean it has a sort of barrier that prevents magic or something like that? I'm hoping to be able to learn about this, although idk if it would be around 2027, but unless it would be a sort of "rekindled" update (basically it could be 2.3) but idk

[slim belfry]

I'm onboard the theory that it'll be a part of the dungeon rework update

with deraj prison being an endgame dungeon

endgame fruma, the place where everyone gets memory wiped, and a literal prison

[visual hemlock]

Does it include where the player comes from?

[slim belfry]

we don't know

[visual hemlock]

Like where it was before memory wipe

Sadge

Gotta kidnap a content team member

[split night]

I assume not

[visual hemlock]

So we gotta wait 20 more years for a region that has that lore ig

[mossy badge]

Or never get that info cuz the writers are lame

[split night]

since they kinda work the game with a strict up into interpretation for <Character> I doubt we would ever get any lore about our past beside nit bits of stuff that vague enough that we make theory, and interpret them

[dim plover]

It's kinda strange that we get nothing regarding the memory wiping stuff in the entire Fruma storyline when you think that that's something that should probably have been at least a significant part of it

[split night]

I mean if we ever do a what all <Character> have in common then i gotta say we look in part feminine enough to be queen

[dim plover]

Almost everything we knew about Fruma before the update was about the memory wiper guys

[frozen turtle]

Closest thing we saw in Fruma was the doomed yuri

[visual hemlock]

There were two lesbians though

[hybrid gazelle]

memeory wiping does not really come up with Fruma story because there is no place for it beside the set up of Fruma recruit

you can say that the entire premise of the story itself is happen due to memory wiping

if not for memory wiping and picard manage to unlocking it

The fruma story would go differently

with Fruma not making themselves too suspicious by forcing representative out of Wynn

And curiosity about Fruma would not get this bad without memory wiping

but then again

it likely will end up the same anyway

who know

but overall just like the inquistor, Fruma has no place for that kid of thing

maybe wasteland will expand upon

[frozen turtle]

wastelands will expand and explain all of the mind wiping, trust

[slim belfry]

yes learn everything about it

extreme crackhead theory
reason why Soosu is confirmed to be a young adult is because the real child sovereign is Oru

[frozen turtle]

Thats why he has a strict bedtime for sure

[sick quest]

Probably gonna be wastelands related

Since wastelands has the prison

And thats where the memory wipes happen

[lavish knot]

That would be horrific to think about since Oru is the second longest running sovereign behind Two

[sick quest]

Does Oru have an assigned number

[mossy badge]

No

[lavish knot]

The assigned numbers are only for promos

[sick quest]

Two is Two, Majin is three, Gikyo is four, Soosu is five, Zhiraok is six, Tasim is seven

[sick quest]

Ahhh

[mossy badge]

Two might only say we call her two cuz her name is smth like

[lavish knot]

What does that mean?

[mossy badge]

🌷

lol

[cedar kernel]

Something like ethlith idk

[mossy badge]

Not sure if it COULD even be a real fruman word

[cedar kernel]

Etlith

I forget how to transcribe all of fruman

[mossy badge]

Wdym?

Anyway two's names SURELY has "tul" in it

[hybrid gazelle]

#📚lore_discussion message

[sick quest]

Fruma Wastelands

[narrow kestrel]

is this actually real

[mossy badge]

I think so

[narrow kestrel]

the part about it being as major as spellbound

😭

[mossy badge]

They said wastelands won't be the main thing of the.. wasteland update

[narrow kestrel]

we are gonna wait YEARS for this

fuck

[hybrid gazelle]

CT said that WAsteland will be just part of major update

from what i heard

[narrow kestrel]

see yall in 2 years ig

[hybrid gazelle]

Salted said next year

according in the interview

[spring kernel]

Do not listen to salted on release dates

[narrow kestrel]

next year release or next year they start working on it

[hybrid gazelle]

yopu know what

that fair

[narrow kestrel]

also this

fruma got delayed many times and was still a bit buggy on release

[hybrid gazelle]

we likely get minor update first

probably the epliogue

maybe some more mount update

feeder in housing pelase

like holy shit

still highly doubt wasteland will have major update focus on it

consider how it probably treated as one of fruma's region

so at best 2 mainline quests and 1-2 side quests

[narrow kestrel]

a buff maybe

[sick quest]

I imagine the epilogue will be tied into the wastelands

[narrow kestrel]

because its lowkirkenuinely dogshit

[sick quest]

I dont know why else the wastelands would be held separately

[narrow kestrel]

and everyone saying mounts should be worse than movement spells should be shot i think

❤️

[sick quest]

AGREED

[narrow kestrel]

prob thought it was a good stopping point

[ancient dock]

Will the wastelands be SE toxic wastes part 2?

[narrow kestrel]

since its after the raid

[mossy badge]

real

[narrow kestrel]

tasim cart

mark your calendars

[mossy badge]

Only exception is maybe warp

[ancient dock]

😄

[narrow kestrel]

well warp was designed to be fast as fuck

ykwim

[ancient dock]

Can't wait for the new prt

[hybrid gazelle]

form what we see

[ancient dock]

Pet

[hybrid gazelle]

it simialr to Rymek

[narrow kestrel]

but like. it should be faster than 20 blocks per second

because its a mount.

[hybrid gazelle]

Pretty sure Wasteland will treat as Fruma sides tory

[narrow kestrel]

you cant even use it in battle so its not as flexible as movement spells

[hybrid gazelle]

so I dont expect too much from it

[ancient dock]

That's rips bruh

[narrow kestrel]

yea probably

i dont know what story major thing we are gonna find in there

😭

[hybrid gazelle]

reminder the only reason WAsteland is not included is literally just because they did not think it's that important part of the main story

[narrow kestrel]

^

[ancient dock]

||the prison||

[dim plover]

I stand corrected
Whoever decided the skinfile should look like this needs to be locked in an asylum

[narrow kestrel]

nothing special about it

[hybrid gazelle]

and I dont think they going to have entire ass story in the scale of the entire Fruma in one region
so it likely just going to exist as a side

and I feel like

at the end of true colour

[ancient dock]

||yeah that's like the only thing there||

[hybrid gazelle]

it is such a good step up for split stor

[ancient dock]

Oh why did I spoiler that

[mossy badge]

Not really

There are changeling stuff

[dim plover]

This is the first time I've seen a skinfile that doesn't have the cubes in the proper upside-down t shapes

[mossy badge]

And who knows.. whatever could be there also

[ancient dock]

Oh the new changeling overlord will take over

[visual hemlock]

Caseoh getting revived fr

In wastelands

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-reverse-smile-ishowspeed-confused-gif-17362243368421867313

[ancient dock]

Wow it's going to be the guy from ||general's order||

[sick quest]

Wonder if we'll get the leader of the canopy involved

[mossy badge]

Epic comeback

[sick quest]

Finally

[ancient dock]

Orders orders orders

[narrow kestrel]

they could tie it in to an "fruma aftermath" storyline

[hybrid gazelle]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DZnAOGzm7VLgOsnuZZackUJLJO-v53a3F1kL8YrySME/edit?usp=sharing

I have entire doc on this

[narrow kestrel]

like. we have to beat the shit out of all the changelings/oru

before soosu/zhiraok can take over peacefully

[hybrid gazelle]

literally the only thing that stop this theory being a thing

is that the entire story of wasteland in this context make 0 fucking sense

when you do this after EOH

but for the sake of this arguement, completing EoH lock you out of Wasteland quests until you finish Apotheosis

[narrow kestrel]

i just wish we get a good epilogue for fruma

i wanna know what the fuck the resistance members are doing

and the "whats your plan after this is over" segment pre-raid doesnt count

[hybrid gazelle]

we will when we get epliogue

someday

IDk when

they still busy with alt route

[sick quest]

I think wastelands should be post-apotheosis for sure

Like we've overthrown the monarch but there are often still loyalists/leftovers of the previous structure after rebellions

Wastelands can be a good way of dealing with that

Since its where the prison will be (themes of liberation, rebellion) and the inquisitors/Oru are (loyalists)

And we could have Zeph, some of the steel feather, and the canopy people be involved

[hybrid gazelle]

Another progblem with my theory is that

[silk nymph]

n

[hybrid gazelle]

it aset up seemingly for yasanu to be involve

[sick quest]

With Sui and Rex only showing up at the end of the short questline (three quests total)

[hybrid gazelle]

but the problem is that

the story would make 0 sense after Apotheosis because he would ahve 0 reason to break into prison since his brothers already escape

[sick quest]

i mean hes a rebel innit

They want to free the remaining prisoners

[hybrid gazelle]

sure

[sick quest]

Yusanu and Soosu would be a big help in that

A rebellion doesnt settle for killng the queen and then not try to right some of the systemic wrongs of the nation

[split night]

I feel like the nobles probably gonna be leading the loyalists fighting against the rebel after the Her's Majesty death

mostly those that was allowed to use magic though

[vestal rivet]

I think that the Wastelands would've been a a quest or 2 with the whole thing with the Canopy breaking the Steelfeather out being a patchup for the fact the quests do not exist currently

[echo hamlet]

I really hope it’s something post Apotheosis..

[full jackal]

Trying to make a full map of my version of Fruma

Cuz why not idk

[mossy badge]

Why is it rotated

[paper wyvern]

why are your map icons rotated

[narrow kestrel]

why is this shit sideways

[sick quest]

you gonna plot out the forts?

[narrow kestrel]

hyloch being that small is so scuffed

[split night]

I mean it give us the feel that the 10% own 90% of the country type feel

roughworks being much larger just make sense xd

[narrow kestrel]

yes but like

you;'d expect to see more nobles

😭

for a "house" thalas sure is just 1 person

[split night]

i mean, the top 10 riches people in america hold like, 80% of the population wealth, im not surprised

[whole river]

Tywin Lannister, Gojo, there’s been fantasy houses where it’s one guy carrying them over the finish line. The other ones are probably just in cushy jobs or chillin in vacation homes

[midnight egret]

Why does anathema have a nuke?

[whole river]

War

[midnight egret]

How is it possible though? Why does the concept exist in Wynn

[mossy badge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071393285500829759/1420520316697968791/togif.gif

[split night]

It's just a thing, you don't expect anything normal in a dimension that is alien to us right? xD

it's more or less you can't comprehend it or cannot logic your way in a place that is too different from the normal world

that's how anathema can spawn a nuke and summon saw blades

[hybrid gazelle]

I pretty sure it lik backroom kind of thing

[midnight egret]

See saying “it cant be comprehended” is a lame answer though

I’d much rather it be something like:
Soosu is Oppenheimer

[split night]

yeah you can think of it as the backroom

[mossy badge]

real

[hybrid gazelle]

thing in realm likely hold more symbolic meaning

even if their apperance are strange

I think them looking like modern stuff just add to the alien-ness of the realm

it like how in monste rhunter, some elder dragons are base on european dragon

rather than spec evo

[split night]

I mean, having atomic bomb in a setting like Wynn is extremely alien

so it make sense xd

[full jackal]

My brain is coded to view wynncraft’s east as north

I refuse to view it as east it will always be north

And north is actually west

South is East

West is South

[full jackal]

Beast of War > Has bombs because bombs are war

I guess

[split night]

It's-
literally just general imagery of war

you also have those water landmine thing

[full jackal]

I mean like while we’re at it Anathema should get an AK47 and Tanks

Maybe even Chlorine Gas

You know what maybe she should just bomb us

Bomb us at the entrance of the raid

Works pretty well for America why doesn’t Anathema try it out

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[paper wyvern]

I mean soosu probably knows about the strong and weak nuclear forces

[full jackal]

Yea, Soosu’s genius cannot be understated actually

Like imagine single-handedly progressing your province by a century

[split night]

I think they are like above Industrial revolution 2 and below 3
I don't think they actually know about those thing yet but Soosu might feel it since she manipulate matter

[paper wyvern]

I mean deabtely they were already early industrial but yea

[full jackal]

She could still work on idk maybe their lives not terrible but honestly she actually is an unparalleled genius

[split night]

not really

[full jackal]

Ehhh… I think they were at like 1740s level technology

Basic production of fabrics

And heat-resistant technology

[split night]

you can see an image in the SD and see that the whatever that was before the Industrial District was just a wheat fields

[full jackal]

As well as hot air balloons

[split night]

they were basically farmers

[full jackal]

They had the capacity for industrialisation but it probably wasn’t widespread yet

[paper wyvern]

I dont mean they fully industrialized yet I mean they proabbly had a few steam powered factories and thats about it

[full jackal]

Like they were maybe a few factories idk

It probably wouldn’t be steam though

[paper wyvern]

soosu invented electricity

so it would be steam

[split night]

I mean Soosu did discovered electricity as well

[full jackal]

Maybe it’d be magic but this time it isn’t cursed it’s BLESSED MAGIC!

I mean maybe in Wynn electricity is literally just electromagic

[paper wyvern]

electricity and electromagic are different

[full jackal]

How though?

Like if everything is made of elements

[paper wyvern]

because the CT says tehy are

[full jackal]

And electromagic is like an aspect of thunder

[split night]

The only thing she haven't dip her hand in to deep is advanced biology stuff like gene editing or crispr

They just use the more general breeding method for the Industree to come into place

[full jackal]

And presumably electricity is thunder-related

Then electromagic = electricity probably

[split night]

Electromagic is different

[paper wyvern]

yeah she explicity avoid biology

[full jackal]

… how

In what way

[paper wyvern]

ct says

[split night]

You just think two things with similar name be the same??

[full jackal]

Okay yea so if they are different

Then what is the difference

[split night]

how do we know that??

[paper wyvern]

ones magic ones a physical force

[split night]

that's like asking me the different between light and dark

we don't know what's the different between them

[full jackal]

I’m pretty sure I already did

[paper wyvern]

we never go deep into electromagic in game

[split night]

i hate you

[full jackal]

Womp womp

Okay

This is probably the most stupid question I will ever ask

What is magic

Actually wait never mind

Somehow trashie wrote something 2 years ago that pretty much explains all of it

A branch of thunder magic that was invented and only used by Corkians, it’s a technique that concentrates thunder magic into electricity before putting them in machines to power and operate them. While some Corkians may be unskilled at Electromagic itself, they can find their talent in designing and making machines that are powered by Electromagic.

[split night]

It's just similar to Theorick's ice magic then
it's condensed water element

huh
Electromagic
Terrarcana
Hydromystic
Caelomancy
Pyrosophic

[full jackal]

Okay the order of the grook quest

Actually has a really big amount of lore

That I have not read at all

Okay I will be providing brainless commentary on the dialogue while I read it because I am bored and technically this is on topic for the channel

Do not fact check me I’m probably wrong

[narrow kestrel]

am i having a stroke or

[full jackal]

The Touroto, stepped in earthly magic, are nearly invincible to all but themselves. It is proof of the earth's strength. So the touroto literally appears in 1 quest (Its hide is necessary for ToTLege), and apparently it’s nearly invincible. This does explain why it is so expensive in Rymek ig

I guess this material could be used in armor

And evil has found it, found it! CORRUPTION!! DEMONS!! Forces anathema to us, but knowleged in the ways of force and thus, thunder! So terrible, terrible, and thunder mages feared, feared

Foreshadowing

I mean not really but anathema is such a rare word to use

[slender copper]

Yeah "They become the first humans settlers" does not flow well.

[mossy badge]

lol

[slender copper]

It should be "they became the first human settlers on the island of Corkus"

[narrow kestrel]

wtf there are

npcs humming the timasca theme

[split night]

there are npc crying while they walking the street as well

or i assume that they are crying xd

[uneven basin]

do the grooks sometimes cluck along the music too ? I swear they cluck hyloch's theme

[split night]

This is like silksong where we're trying to find the smallest detail

[solid ibex]

this too deep lmfao

would be cool if they actually do so

[mystic remnant]

Diagetic suffering

[unique pumice]

Using become kinda makes sense if u read it as They [will] become

[uneven basin]

I swear I'm not hearing things 😭

[mystic remnant]

Maybe the chickens have received the queen’s blessing too

And laud her majesty each morning with the song of their people

[uneven basin]

fruma has patriotic chickens #truth

[echo hamlet]

||tasim is such an opp bro he kept whining about us killing “his friend” when that same friend was going to sacrifice him to the god of darkness 😭😭😭||

[solid ibex]

||correction, the AJF dialogue was updated. It has Aledar saying that it would either be Elphaba or himself who would sacrifice at the end of the expanse. Its no longer specified that their 4th will be sacrificed, especially since its a selfish thing to even do||

[split night]

It's more that they didn't plan about sacrificing anyone up until that point

[solid ibex]

yeah its around those lines

[split night]

Having him sacrifies anyone is very out of character for like, everyone involved

[solid ibex]

i would fucking love to see Tasim go with us into Dern bro

might also be a great time for him to redeem himself properly after that reaction he gave us

[echo hamlet]

that’s not much better either 😭

[solid ibex]

i think the details spoken to Tasim were more on the vague side of things

or its his overreaction to hearing the news

[hybrid gazelle]

also it not that Tasim was angry at you for killing Aledar it more of him being angry because you kept it that long

[cinder cedar]

we did betray his trust a lot tho

[hybrid gazelle]

and him knowing about it by the time is like

the WORST time possible

because everything is fucked up and going wrong

and BOOM the queen break the news that playerk illed Aledar

so it like

the worst fucking time for Aledar to hear about it

[echo hamlet]

honestly I prefer the possible sacrifice lore scenario

[solid ibex]

i just really hope we can tell him actually during queens recruit

[echo hamlet]

really makes you wonder on what we’re aledars true intentions

[hybrid gazelle]

Aledar's true intention is pretty much sacrifice the 4th LOL

but now it more of Aledar want to contiunue the expendition despite Aegis canceling it

mostly because he felt that the mission need to be done

and he would sacrifice himself if it mean the mission is complete

[solid ibex]

I think like AJF dialogue of him saying to us that we are basically the perfect sacrifice, that actually worsen his death because like WOW bro

[hybrid gazelle]

Both Tasim and Aledar have their issue of trying to sacrifice themselves for the sake of betterment of the world

that one thing they share in common

well

tehre more

[cinder cedar]

in the end Aledar never changed even after memory wipe

he was always dedicated to the mission

[hybrid gazelle]

Aledar was heavily implied to be heavily tied with Zeph

[solid ibex]

hoping for that SE quest reworks

[hybrid gazelle]

fun fact

[solid ibex]

Lucio and Elphaba were lowkey shit

[hybrid gazelle]

the first thing in King's recruit that Aledar did

is having a race

guess who like to race

[solid ibex]

i thought it was Rex

[hybrid gazelle]

Aledar is friend to the leaves so it likely they have tied to him

but I like the idea of Aledar has more tied with Zeph because of how compettiive both of them are

it almost like he used to have someone to compete with(I dont think Rex would play along with him in his race)

[cinder cedar]

Rex did have ties outside competitveness and racing

[hybrid gazelle]

and with Aledar being highly competitive(first thing he do in wynn is have a race with Tasim and the player)

[solid ibex]

nah i assumed that Rex was related to Aledar because she does mention that she got pissed it was us that gets to return and not us
or like whatever that dialogue was

i kinda forgor the details imma look back at it

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah you got it right but it was actually caid LOL

Caid relevancy is not

something I expected

[unique pumice]

Either way

The fact that aledar was like

I chose u cuz ur the best for this job

[solid ibex]

oh caid?

[unique pumice]

And he wouldnt trust anyone more

[solid ibex]

yeah i forgot who that guy is

[unique pumice]

Even though we got the same invite

Shows how hes fake

[hybrid gazelle]

they got extact same color scheme

Caid got A LOT more evidence

of him being Rex's brother

than Aledar ever does

[unique pumice]

but i do agree on this point i liked it better gave more nuance to the character

[hybrid gazelle]

actually the way AJB quest play out

it likely that Aledar know the danger and importance of the mission

and knowing that Aegis wanting to cancel it

them oment he see the player who are the fourth

[solid ibex]

ah i see

[hybrid gazelle]

he decide to kept the fact that Aegis was calling off the mission from the group

and decide to go anwyay

the moment he realize that there is the fourth now

Aledar is not the one who start the mission

it was Aegis

admiral Aegis

[solid ibex]

i lowkey wanna know what the player actually feels about doing what they did
its most likely determined by the dialogue options during the Tasim shit in Fruma tho

[hybrid gazelle]

also like

just look at their color scheme LOL

[unique pumice]

The player is like psychotic bro they do not give a fuck

[solid ibex]

the skin updated

yea okay lmfao

i see it more

[unique pumice]

Is there a canon killcount on our player

[hybrid gazelle]

consider the queen's recruit dialogue

[full jackal]

Well what counts as a kill

[solid ibex]

if the player does not give a fuck, i dont think they would have cared that much for the others in the rebellion

[hybrid gazelle]

it heavily imply that player pretty much DO give a shit

and heavily felt gulity to tell Tasim

[unique pumice]

If it was in our content book to slime them out we would have

[hybrid gazelle]

literally the reason we did not tell Tasim because out of guilt that he will left us

[unique pumice]

I guess any kill of a named character (not a respawnable mob) within the context of a quest or a raid

[full jackal]

Uhh in that case

[solid ibex]

can we do this in a lore perspective 😭

[cinder cedar]

and we kept it from him for at least 3-5 months

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like this is you forcing your intereptation of the player character which is fine but I think this is very dismissive that in game

player did care about the fruma rebellion

[unique pumice]

That was just me being facetious

[solid ibex]

heck during hunters calling, in the case of where the player has to do evil shit
they are quite startled and have a lot of negative feelings for what they are doing

[summer bluff]

Killing our homeslice is VERY different to killing the Well Witch

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK what that mean

but sure

[hybrid gazelle]

tbh well witch was like

it probably killed in the struggle because we dont know how to revert the spell on the kid

[unique pumice]

Even in a lore perspective like we have done some pretty fucked up stuff

[hybrid gazelle]

done fucked up thing does not equal we do not give a shit

[solid ibex]

i will say this

from playing a lot

[hybrid gazelle]

palyers character shown to capable of feeling gulit and losing Tasim if they told the truth

like reminder

[solid ibex]

the player has had some character development kinda

[hybrid gazelle]

in the alt route, player fucking STRUGGLE to tell Tasim about Aledar's death