📚lore_discussion

[dim plover]

Sorry my mind is just too ingrained with yuri

[snow kiln]

Choo choo like you pull my

[split night]

whjat

[dim plover]

How about both

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/296377212939010050/1500655888086863893/confession.gif

[split night]

why is that guy replying in rusian

[snow kiln]

What is this gold?

[dim plover]

It’s the secret alt route haven’t you seen it

[snow kiln]

No I haven't this is news to me

[warm flicker]

this is what the alternate dialogue leads to

[young dock]

already patched out

gone to time

[snow kiln]

God dammit

[snow kiln]

Its still in our hearts and balls.

[dim plover]

We can trigger the secret Fruma pacifist route by intentionally just not killing any of the Sovereigns, quest minibosses and in-map human mobs for the entire time you’re in there

[warm flicker]

what do they mean by "yaoi", is that boy yuri??

[dim plover]

Like, after 3 or so minutes of not attacking the bosses they will speed up
5 minutes of not attacking they will end the fight with new dialogue

[snow kiln]

No it's gay trans yuri

[dim plover]

Do this for all the quests and the Sovereigns will live and you befriend them

[snow kiln]

And you get the majin gikyo scene

[dim plover]

The Queen also recognizes your alliance and gains the courage to come out to the group

Not like, as being polyamorous or anything I mean as Anathema we all just misinterpreted her

[snow kiln]

We really answering the universes questions here in #📚lore_discussion

[frozen turtle]

What if the reason why Anathema didn’t chose us if canonically the player is straight 😔

[split night]

my character is very pan

[dim plover]

Doesn’t this only work if the player is male

Or am I missing smth here

[frozen turtle]

Woman can be straight

Fyi

[split night]

I never though of that boldy crit

[hot timber]

being brainrotten by yuri and not channeling any of that energy into making her majesty x sovereign two angst doomed lovers-to-enemies yuri is wasted potential

[frozen turtle]

Yeah Ik it’s weird to think about

[split night]

women can be straight?? i never knew i had that

[paper wyvern]

What is this some sort of yauri

[frozen turtle]

I met one once it was so freaky like

[warm flicker]

what do u even call that, yaoi-yuri?

[frozen turtle]

Yauri.. yeah that’s some weird niche thing

[paper wyvern]

I have the solution. Just simply make characters aroace

[dim plover]

Isn’t that what the gif is

Like half of it anyway

The doomed half

[neat oriole]

locked behind champ rank

champ ++

[frozen turtle]

i wonder how much money Wynn could make if they made yaoi and yuri ranks

and the ranks just add more yaoi/yuri content

[neat oriole]

five trillion dollars

[frozen turtle]

if they add those ranks i want a cut of the profits

[brittle mirage]

WHO made this gem

[neat oriole]

@dim plover

[split night]

the guy posting it

[warm flicker]

i thought this was the dutch flag for a second

[split night]

dutch is secretly gay

[dim plover]

Despite being a serial fictional character shipper like half of my OCs experience zero non-platonic attraction

The other third are ambiguous

And all of like two couples are actually canon to the story

[split night]

serial shipper

[narrow kestrel]

THE BUTTONS DONT WORK

FUCKKK

[craggy stirrup]

y'all agree on this or nah?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH2-lB5cLDc

[narrow kestrel]

I CANT THROW THE BRICK

[split night]

Not really

[narrow kestrel]

im stuck on this part 😭

nothings happening and when i press shift i cant leave either

CINEMA

i wish they blocked out the map and coords tho

😭

wait i just realized, is she the first known mf to recover memories without the help of tech?

[mossy badge]

I disabled the minimap for my 1st fruma playthrough

Its wonntils anyway, the server cant do shit about it

[split night]

keep playing

[mossy badge]

WE are the tech, surely

[mossy badge]

Tbh i dont remember

[narrow kestrel]

dramatic ahh

dying instantly after recovering your memories

😭

i thought we'd have to fight the inquisitors again atleast

and she'd die from that

[young dock]

Sometimes old folks use the last of their energy for one good day

[split night]

I imagine we share our power with her just for a moment to recover her memories

like we can see the past multiple time, this might show that we can also share this power to other

[narrow kestrel]

trvke..

so does syndra's corpse have a chance of dropping from the fruma raid or

[split night]

remind me of that one phenomenol where dementia patient get one last kick of their memories and remember everything 1 hour before they pass on

[narrow kestrel]

also fuck i need to do one more quest to level up to 119

[young dock]

Just older patients in general

Sometimes they’ll experience one day of energy, like an oasis in a mind of fog

Then pass away the day after

[radiant dune]

About memories, what happened to ||the original corkians after they escaped?|| Did they remember fruma?

I cant remember hearing much from them about the place

[neat oriole]

wynncraft is a circle

[paper wyvern]

I personally headcannon that secret discoveries work because shards of the memory crystal got lodged in the player after it blows up at the end of recover the past

[mystic fulcrum]

but the air balloon only have a few people on it, did they just breed and increase the population till city of corkus can be created?

[dim plover]

I watched it sometime ago and from what I remember of my thoughts back then that guy got a lot of things wrong about the game

[full jackal]

i honestly think elise died as a result of overwhelming emotion from realizing what happened to her and Syndra

[full jackal]

how about secret discoveries before RtPast

[paper wyvern]

Content order is stupid and I can do what I want with headcannon

[full jackal]

or what if you haven’t done the quest

[full jackal]

fair fair

[paper wyvern]

All quests canonically happen

[full jackal]

they likely had some people migrate to corkus

[paper wyvern]

Also the simple reason is there's no other good explanation for secret discoveries

[full jackal]

but yea they must’ve f[[MeCHAniCAL ErrOr]]cked like crazy

[mystic fulcrum]

so we're talking about a fleet of hot air balloon not just one?

[full jackal]

no i mean like

after aUnexDepa

some more people from the ocean or gavel or wynn likely also came to corkus after hearing about it or smth

[full jackal]

but yea also possible

[hybrid gazelle]

there 0 fucing way

that they can ahve second balloon after that

so yes

[full jackal]

though in aUnexDepa there was only one, maybe there were more and just offscreen

[hybrid gazelle]

people just repopulate after

there 0 fucking way Fruma gonna let that happen the second time

[paper wyvern]

Yeah I think corkus is a bit messy cause they retconned it forward 200 years

[full jackal]

no i mean like two or more in a row

[hybrid gazelle]

there also no way that there are more balloon being build

cosnider how expensive making one already for rough workers

[full jackal]

dang ur right

[mystic fulcrum]

they should change the balloon to air ship, so this make more sense

[hybrid gazelle]

and even more so trying to get multiple balloons underneath a literal hut base LOL

nah

airship would not work too

like it fine

it just suspension of belief

[full jackal]

okay but like how do you repopulate from like 10 people without being habsburg inbred

[hybrid gazelle]

0 idea

again

suspension of belief

[full jackal]

Some more people mustve came after the Corkians arrived from the ocean or smth

like not from fruma

though also at that time the oceans hadn’t been calmed yet

so… actually itd be reallyy hard to get to corkus by sea

[mystic fulcrum]

maybe could add a secret discovery about cokian submarine that help people escape to corkus

[full jackal]

corkian submarine???

[vestal rivet]

have you seen the hot air balloon discovery in the roughworks by chance

[mystic fulcrum]

yea, since there is no way other balloon can fly pass fruma border without being shot down

[full jackal]

again, ocean is like 5m deep and hasn’t been calmed yet

[vestal rivet]

I am 99% sure that THIS is the incident that made them invest in anti-air lol

[frozen turtle]

yeah i was about to say

[mystic fulcrum]

the damn citadel light house sniper

[full jackal]

they probably wouldn’t notice or think it was smth else

[vestal rivet]

hence why it hasn't been repeated since

[frozen turtle]

with the tech they have now with like the citadel straight up shooting anyone who goes to high

[full jackal]

also this was before soosu so they probably didn’t have guns

[vestal rivet]

this was very much after Soosu ascended to Sovereign status

[full jackal]

wait wasn’t it like 850ap

[frozen turtle]

Soosu invented archers minefields

i think

[full jackal]

and like soosu was 880ap

[vestal rivet]

the industrialization didn't begin until she became a Sovereign, and it was obviously already going on when the Corkians escaped

[frozen turtle]

they saw soosu as sov and decided they needed to leave ig

[vestal rivet]

based on the fact they stole parts from factories...

[full jackal]

yea ik but didn’t corkians ecape 30 years before soosu??

[vestal rivet]

either there's a timeline inconsistency or you screwed up the date the Corkian's left

[frozen turtle]

sec ik there is a timeline

[vestal rivet]

by like 50ish years

iirc Corkus is only a little over 100 years old as a province, based on the guide from The Envoy I

[paper wyvern]

Corkians left 850 AP soosu started 880

[full jackal]

y’all mf

350 years ago, however, a splinter group left Fruma through the mountains on the northern coastline.

[narrow kestrel]

HOW

[vestal rivet]

well
timeline inconsistency!

[frozen turtle]

hey so

[paper wyvern]

retconned

[full jackal]

—relos secret library

[frozen turtle]

which wiki are you using for that

wiki.gg or fandom

[paper wyvern]

It was changed to 150

[full jackal]

wiki.gg

[frozen turtle]

weird cause

[vestal rivet]

still outdated

[frozen turtle]

im reading it

[vestal rivet]

but yeah even 150 years doesn't fit in the timeline
it would have to be more between 100 and 120 to work

[full jackal]

wait goddamnit

[frozen turtle]

"150 years ago, a splinter group left Fruma through the mountains on the northern coastline." from the wiki

[full jackal]

its fandom

[frozen turtle]

yeah

fandom hasnt updated it

[paper wyvern]

That's weird it says 150 on my wiki

[full jackal]

fuck fandom ngl

[paper wyvern]

And in game

[vestal rivet]

never default to fandom

[frozen turtle]

well, they said a bit over 100,
but like it would take them a while to set up as a province

starting from 10 people as well

[vestal rivet]

that's where I got my "a little over 100" idea

[vestal rivet]

yeahhhh I noticed this

[frozen turtle]

so i'd imagine first ~50 years was just

setting up, and getting people and they werent really a province yet

[paper wyvern]

????? They left in 100 na, 130 NA was 0IA which is when soosu started

[frozen turtle]

they could sense Soosu reign and knew they had to leave

[paper wyvern]

And a little over 100 makes sense because a little over 100 is when the oceans calmed and they could get more people and actually become a province

[frozen turtle]

true true

[full jackal]

wait no

[vestal rivet]

they had to have left in the IA
they stole parts from factories that didn't exist until then, and the environment you see on their way up looks nothing like old Agri either

[full jackal]

100 NA. As the night approaches, so does our last day in these hopeless lands. We are almost ready, there are only a few final improvements we must add to our escape craft. If we fail to escape, it will mean almost certain death for us.

Before IA

[vestal rivet]

tf

[frozen turtle]

there still may of been a factory

[full jackal]

T_T

[paper wyvern]

The discovery is literally dated

[frozen turtle]

isnt it Soosu's manor also

not Soosu's factory

[vestal rivet]

the factories didn't even exist at that point did they???

[frozen turtle]

It was already the "industrial district" so it would already have factories

i think

[vestal rivet]

where tf did they get the materials

[paper wyvern]

Also I think that's more of a they didn't build a new environment for it than anything else

[paper wyvern]

No it was agricultural

[full jackal]

ong maybe there was just a factory before then but it wasn’t nearly as advanced as it was now

[vestal rivet]

no they stole parts from factories to complete the balloon

[paper wyvern]

Where does it say that

[full jackal]

mf hot air balloons were invented in 1783

[frozen turtle]

well it clearly had to be industrial-like if it had factories

[vestal rivet]

look around at the various interactable plans in the room the discovery is in

[paper wyvern]

Oh huh it does say factories

[full jackal]

fabrics are not that hard to get

[paper wyvern]

Textile manufacturing though

[frozen turtle]

"Stolen fabric from nearby factories. Must be strong and heat resistant"

[vestal rivet]

special heat-treated/resistant fabrics like what they mentioned are

the dates given don't match up with what they had

[full jackal]

Yea like there could’ve been those before soosu

just not as advanced

[frozen turtle]

I'd imagine factories existed but they were just beginning

Soosu kicked off the like full industrial age

with her inventions specifically i think

[vestal rivet]

I guess that Soosu would've needed parts to make the first invention anyways?

[paper wyvern]

Ok but textile factories being a thing before the big industrial age isn't that big an issue

[full jackal]

like i imagine pre-soosu fruma was like 1790s level tech

post-soosu like 1920s

[frozen turtle]

wasnt it also that she like "invented electricity" or made tech to use it

[paper wyvern]

Yeah it was probably agriculture with minor low power industry ie early industrial revolution and then soosu kicked it through the full industrial revolution

[paper wyvern]

Early industry was steam power

Electricity came later

[vestal rivet]

so obviously part of the industrialization must've happened before Soosu rose to power
but it's implied that Soosu is responsible for bringing them out of the wide open farm fields and nothing else stage

[paper wyvern]

Yeah I think they should be clear of mostly fields with a minor early industry instead of implying that it was fully agricultural

[narrow kestrel]

FUCKER STOLE MY KILL

[full jackal]

they said it was mostly agricultural

[narrow kestrel]

THAT WAS GONNA BE OUR FIRST ON-SCREEN KILL (no, aledar doesnt count)

[full jackal]

how about literally every mob

how about takan

[frozen turtle]

I HATE ARNOL

[full jackal]

how about the witch in olux

[full jackal]

arnol is corny asf

[mossy badge]

Should have been open about being cursed smh (those who nose)

[frozen turtle]

bro everyone in Fruma is a skill-stealer

[full jackal]

bro thinks he’s tuff

[frozen turtle]

kill

stealer

[narrow kestrel]

he sounds like he got possessed in the ending

😭

the tone shift

🤤

[mossy badge]

Also i wonder is the other ending achieved by ur dialogue options or hardmode?

[narrow kestrel]

??

wtf?

[summer bluff]

Does the massacre at fort torann count?

[narrow kestrel]

i always wondered why "why do you care?" was a dialogue option

[narrow kestrel]

they just vanish

talking about onscreen kill

body on the ground, blood everywhere

i mean, theres Hollow Serenity but thats indirectly (feel bad for the old man tho)

[summer bluff]

There's.. the missing piece ig? Carrying her like that while fighting roughworks citizens could NOT have been good for her

[hybrid gazelle]

Arnol killing commander is pretty important to the story of hte side questbecause it show Arnol development to defy the Crown and actualyl go one to go against it

if he simply just stood by, then he just gonna be simply spectator

[whole river]

Arnol shows that not all of hyloch deserved to be put to the sword of course

[full jackal]

what other ending

[hybrid gazelle]

which would not allow for his later development

[full jackal]

nahhh

[hybrid gazelle]

but yeah his existence as side quest is pretty limited

[full jackal]

he is corny

[mossy badge]

Where arnol just idk

Goes away

[full jackal]

lmaoooo

[mossy badge]

Deems we're not friends and doesn't help with the fight

[full jackal]

what

Is there like a clip of it

[mossy badge]

I dont have it clipped no

[whole river]

Stepping up to fight your country’s being of worship is lowkey fire

[full jackal]

yea but like he’s corny

[whole river]

Arnol is the hollow knight

[mossy badge]

Try doing the quest and choose the mean dialogues/hardmode

[whole river]

Trust

[full jackal]

yea but like he’s corny

[whole river]

It’s an MMO 99% of people are corny

[hybrid gazelle]

this is true

[frozen turtle]

Arnol was so just annoying actually

[hybrid gazelle]

99% of people in fantasy world are corny

[full jackal]

yea but like he’s corny

[hybrid gazelle]

annoying because:?

[frozen turtle]

vibes

[whole river]

I think you’re just really on this corny thing

[full jackal]

trust

[whole river]

Cuz he was fine

[frozen turtle]

he pmo

[whole river]

Less annoying than the average villager quest in gavel

[hybrid gazelle]

this come from a guy who rambling about being possessed by anathema or whatever btw

[frozen turtle]

i was able to insult him but then the instructor was like "you guys are besties"

[hybrid gazelle]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HHZWvB1aMAAnRVY.webp

[full jackal]

idk i just think he’s trying too hard to have cool lines

[full jackal]

thats totally different trust

Like you’d think he’d be more scared ir smth

[whole river]

How do you know he’s not scared

[full jackal]

like literally how did he get any of his skills

[hybrid gazelle]

He just done being disrespect and abuse by the higher uathority

[whole river]

It’s what you do after you get scared that matters

That’s courage

[hybrid gazelle]

he train?

[full jackal]

actually kinda based advice

[hybrid gazelle]

every recruits literally said to train under their pviate trainer

[full jackal]

unoriginal but true

[hybrid gazelle]

you get that in the beginning of the quest

[frozen turtle]

wasnt arnol shown as just bad tho with his results

tbf the military may just have

high expecations so idk

i was not paying attention to him

[hybrid gazelle]

he is pretty bad compare to his peers yes

but he still trained nontheless

[full jackal]

i mean tbf he only got the kill cuz we already beat the trainer up

[mossy badge]

I wonder what happens to him in the other ending, does he just get beaten to death lol

[paper wyvern]

Arnol isn't even the worst

[frozen turtle]

i thankfully didnt have to see him at the end

[split night]

Trashie
While replaying WynnEx Site B I notice that the motif for the song play during your exploration in the cave sound really similar to the song play in the Outervoid
is there like any relation between Cosmic Magic with the Void?

[hybrid gazelle]

I have 0 idea

[frozen turtle]

literally every kill of ours is stolen

[hybrid gazelle]

I forgot most of thing form WYnnex

[split night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1015394899497058304/1500357685877542993/Smol_Ana.gif

[whole river]

For good reason

[mystic fulcrum]

there another ending?

[mossy badge]

Yea

[hybrid gazelle]

there probably should be concern if you doing story content and being so press about having your skill "stolen"

but like whatever

you do you

[whole river]

Wynnex is so fun why is one of the gems not even in the official Wynn provinces lol

[frozen turtle]

not concerned about it, its just funny

[mystic fulcrum]

So player can choose not to wake arnol up and escape alone?

[mossy badge]

Im not sure if its based on acting mean to him or just hardmode

[split night]

Are we that psychopathic xD

[frozen turtle]

that the player basically does stuff then at the end some other character swoops in and does it, just feels weird

[full jackal]

We’re mass murderers

[frozen turtle]

like it just takes me out of the story

[full jackal]

yes we are X_X

[hybrid gazelle]

if you see the campagin of trying to free Fruma from dictatorship

as "mass murdering"

then you probably should get a check up

[full jackal]

Ex: Torann, Takan, Rise of the Quartron

[full jackal]

its justified sure

and i don’t feel bad at all

but yes that is murder

[frozen turtle]

cuz to me it's like "oh i'm fighting for my life" and these npcs just stand watching and right as you're about to get the final winning moment they just snipe it. like its just weird to me

[split night]

It's hilarious that technically, the Crown killed more rebels than the rebels kill the military
talking about the first Auburn flood

[hybrid gazelle]

maybe you also should feel bad

killing a lot of people still bad thing

but it simply something that just happen

[whole river]

The Fruma queen has one slight inconvenience and wanted to flood a full 25% of her land, I do not defend the soldiers who died defending that to be honestly fair

[hybrid gazelle]

that also fair

but also to be fair

they dont know that

so lol

[full jackal]

look killing someone is called murder whether it is morally good or not

[frozen turtle]

eh not really a slight inconvenience but yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

but yeah

[whole river]

Like half her army would probably still be ok with it

Hyloch ones at least

[hybrid gazelle]

people like constable espically those from roughwork enjoy beating people

so like

IDK maybe

we doing fruma a favor

[narrow kestrel]

aaaaand thats another bugged fight!

[full jackal]

i think torann was justified and idc about those soldiers but objectively we killed dozens of people

[narrow kestrel]

i fucking hate this region bro

except for fucking gikyo

[split night]

Her's Majesty kill a lot more people in history compare to us throughout the Fruma questline
like it's not that simple, nuances are everywhere

[full jackal]

wdym majin worked fine fod me

[narrow kestrel]

every fight bugs out

[narrow kestrel]

yeah well, bro is in the sky

[hybrid gazelle]

all boss fight work fine for me

[narrow kestrel]

the fuck do i do

[paper wyvern]

Honestly I wish the fort fight was more like the damn elevator fight

[whole river]

Just reset and pray it’s not as bad as the zhiraok bugs

[paper wyvern]

Use ranged attacks

[full jackal]

There cannot be that many rebels

[narrow kestrel]

im assassin?

im not playing acro

😭

[paper wyvern]

Then play acro

Smh

[frozen turtle]

hard to say because its the crown just kills them like in that one SD

[narrow kestrel]

can someone carry me here

[frozen turtle]

or sends them away

[narrow kestrel]

no?

[split night]

alright

are you AS

[mossy badge]

The problem is that ur playing trick anyway

[narrow kestrel]

does it matter

xd

[mossy badge]

Trick bugs shit out

[narrow kestrel]

you'll be doing most of the damage

but i can play AS

yes

[split night]

i need full efficency to win them

[whole river]

I played trick with majin fine guess I just believed in the archetype more

[narrow kestrel]

hol own let me switch to AS

[full jackal]

even just in canon events we killed dozens in torann, almost killed zhiraok, killed gikyo, majin, queen, dozens in roughworks and mistwoods and dozens in highlands and aelumnia

[split night]

imma bolt and do it so like, i won't care if you die or not, just try to stay alive

xd

[narrow kestrel]

can u hop on now

[whole river]

It was quite fun a trickster arch build vs a trick meteor build majin was using

[narrow kestrel]

morph trick, i would have to try to die

[vestal rivet]

dang is Trickster the new slop?

[split night]

please after you finish fruma questline, make your own build

[mossy badge]

Is this why the strong survive is the best quest? 🗣️ 🔥

[narrow kestrel]

no

[vestal rivet]

I was playing it before it was cool I thought

[narrow kestrel]

low dps

[narrow kestrel]

im poor

[full jackal]

I mean in my playthrough i killed like actual thousands and i can’t imagine there were that many rebels, maybe like hundreds jn auburn max

[narrow kestrel]

im doing 3h lootruns

for money

[split night]

just do raid or do outervoid content

get a cheap mythic

[narrow kestrel]

ill kill myself before i do outervoid

[mossy badge]

Get nulli 🤑

[narrow kestrel]

• burger'ing in pfinder is 🤮

[narrow kestrel]

im using nulli morph trick

its pretty nice

[mossy badge]

Switch to CF acro

Or smth

[narrow kestrel]

cf?

[full jackal]

OutV is really fun

[mossy badge]

Cosmic foundations set

Or like i heard there's a new slop set called liffmail

[split night]

💀

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-false-false-bar-false-detection-false-detector-gif-615041274479756806

[split night]

liffmail set is not even more powerful than morph

[mossy badge]

Im not biased cuz i still dont have archaic writing cough cough

[split night]

what is this

[mossy badge]

Idk i heard ppl play it

[full jackal]

isn’t liffmail just a hnique

[narrow kestrel]

im in AS now

[mossy badge]

Why would they play it if its worse than morph

[split night]

loggin in

my ign is ItsAuree

[narrow kestrel]

cooler/less known + cheaper

morph is a stx now

💀

[mossy badge]

💀

How

How does that happen bro 😭

[narrow kestrel]

i forgot which ones

[split night]

they remove set tier
it's extremely hard to get full morph now

[narrow kestrel]

but theres a piece thats like 30 LE UNID

[split night]

like a full set of 8 items is really hard xd

technically you can profit of this fact by grinding lower level morph items

[narrow kestrel]

morph steel is like

super rare

[mossy badge]

Were set tier items common?

[narrow kestrel]

on trade marker

t

[whole river]

It’s so funny cuz it’s just a case of being too lazy to grind mobs

[split night]

inv me

[split night]

Yes

extremely

[full jackal]

wait is CosFound set good?

[whole river]

It’s better morph

[split night]

that's why morph went from 15eb to 4LEs

[mossy badge]

Damn, L change then ngl

[full jackal]

4LE can be gotten in like 2 raids or 1 mediocre lootrun

[mossy badge]

They killin sets

[narrow kestrel]

check pfinder @split night

[paper wyvern]

It's morph but it's actually good for endgame content

[narrow kestrel]

(lie)

[full jackal]

Honestly i am terrible at making builds

[mossy badge]

Dmg slap 🔥

[full jackal]

i mever think about defense i just like to look at the dps go higher

[mossy badge]

Who needs good base ehp when fire pot exists 🤯

[split night]

it just make raid have less morph people that are happen to be new players

[narrow kestrel]

cf is

better at dmg

but less utility

[full jackal]

until i realize that i die in 10 seconds on Syndra II and i had to switch to Absolution

[split night]

existing morph usually should be in the hand of people who are already good

[whole river]

Wonder if the wasteland will just have aliens

[narrow kestrel]

like. you have half the mana regen

[mossy badge]

So it just makes ppl even worse

[narrow kestrel]

defensive stats

and sp bonuses

😭

[paper wyvern]

Aren't cf defensive stats better than morph

[narrow kestrel]

people who get forced off morph into cf will play badly anyways

[full jackal]

Honestly idk why more people son’t ise aquarius

[mossy badge]

Who needs that much mr

[full jackal]

like InT req is high asf but the 50mana regen is so good

[full jackal]

me

i refuse to go 2 seconds without casting spells

especially when my main attack dmg has 0.5x mult

[mossy badge]

Ye but like on half of the archetypes u can prolly sustain good enough with not that much mr

[paper wyvern]

What kinda non shade assassin isn't constantly casting

[summer bluff]

Rip set teir glad I got all my snail armor before then tho

[paper wyvern]

Acro actually needs 50mr

And it's a nice bonus for trick

[mossy badge]

On top of weightless?

[summer bluff]

All 5 sets

[full jackal]

yea ik but i don’t like having to wait to regen for heals

cuz i play really aggressively

[mossy badge]

Whats ur archetype?

Lb?

[full jackal]

acolyte

[mossy badge]

Ah

[paper wyvern]

Yes if you suck

Also you do need good mr to move fast with dance

[whole river]

Do you think they’ll ever discuss the entire other world slykaar had access to

[full jackal]

nope

thats like a one time thing i think

unkess rhey wanna make a storyline with troms

[whole river]

Kinda funny cuz if Bob didn’t disappear slykaar might have been able to drag Bob into the dimension and trap him there

[mystic fulcrum]

slykaar is so much weaker than Bob so impossible

[rustic nexus]

if they ever rewrite that part of the story, I am 80% confident that dimension is getting cut out

[whole river]

You don’t need to be stronger to get them trapped

[rustic nexus]

true, look at the sodeta guild

[whole river]

Honestly, if they remade it they could showcase some acolyte stuff

even if archetypes aren’t really canon it would be fun to see more cosmic horror

[rustic nexus]

also there was like this one mention of dernic essence or something in the quest

😭

[full jackal]

Aco can casually summon an eldritch beast and blood lasers

[dim plover]

I hope Wynncraft makes a darkness-themed dialogue box soon because I have a new cutscene idea

[mystic fulcrum]

should make acolyte ultimate to be the full eldritch beast summoned, not just the leg

[dim plover]

Might need someone to help build the scene though I kinda don’t want to copy-paste islands again

[full jackal]

monument of gloom is so boring

[dim plover]

Then again,

[full jackal]

like wdym Eldritch call is cooler than the ult

[dim plover]

Hm.

[whole river]

I was gonna say if they wanted to go beast mode acolyte should lose the blood pool thing and bleeding and get a frenzy bar instead

[dim plover]

I still think that Eldritch Call’s tentacles look too oceanic

They need to make them look more lovecraftian cosmic horror tentacles

[full jackal]

So like for now there are like 4 dialogue boxes right?

[dim plover]

?

[full jackal]

like one for narration one for normal stuff one for war and one for sovereigns

[dim plover]

Oh the dialogue style

[full jackal]

they should have both

[dim plover]

There’s one for Light as well

Orphion speaks with it

[full jackal]

really??

lemme see

[mossy badge]

Ye

[dim plover]

It’s like angel wings and antlers

[full jackal]

i don’t have my laptop on me rn so i can’t see it

[full jackal]

can u screenshot?

[stray karma]

wow

[mossy badge]

Not so overwhelming and bright smh

[rustic nexus]

honestly I'm surprised they didn't make a dark influence text box, given saphanis speaks several times in some secret discoveries

[stray karma]

so what is the total list?
Bak'al, Orphion, Her Majesty, and?

[full jackal]

holy shit

[rustic nexus]

bakal and anathema use the same text box style

[mossy badge]

Wdym

There's normal, war and light

[dim plover]

And Fruma

[full jackal]

like those are the people that get their own dialogue boxes

[dim plover]

(Where’s dark though)

[full jackal]

Md everyone else associated with them gets them too

[dim plover]

(Could use one)

[full jackal]

i wish the leaves had their own one too

[mossy badge]

And the "narrator" one

[full jackal]

wait does lari get the light one?

[shut hornet]

i have been asking for one

[rustic nexus]

also you know something I don't like about the orphion text box
it doesn't have it's influence's sigil in the background like how the war influence box has it

[shut hornet]

the light text box was originally made to be a text box for all gavel npcs rather than orphion specifically

[full jackal]

are we deadass

[shut hornet]

hence the lack of the sigil

[rustic nexus]

ahh

I see

[dim plover]

God this is perfect placement

[mossy badge]

lol

[shut hornet]

we decided it was way too extra and limited it to orphion

[dim plover]

What sigil

[shut hornet]

might give it to lari in the future too idk

[rustic nexus]

will the sigil be added....

[shut hornet]

since bak'al and anathema share the chaos one

[full jackal]

also dullahan

[dim plover]

What sigil

[rustic nexus]

why dullahan 😭

[shut hornet]

nah dullahan isn't light's scion

[dim plover]

Am I missing smth

[mossy badge]

The sigil

[full jackal]

This is probably way too much but itd be cool if he got a corrupted light one

[mossy badge]

There's one for each influence

[dim plover]

I have never seen any sigil on the other dialogue boxes what

[mossy badge]

Like on ana's arm

[rustic nexus]

^^^

[full jackal]

yea ik but what if he got a merger of dark and light

[rustic nexus]

more like on the back

[spring kernel]

Does this mean farmer bylvis and saphanis will get one too

[shut hornet]

anas arm sigil is not the chaos sigil

[summer bluff]

Man xao lives a crazy life

[mossy badge]

Im thinkin two's cutscene

[summer bluff]

Hi Sam 👋

[shut hornet]

its difficult because it might spoil the bylvis reveal

[dim plover]

I know the influences have a sigil I’m talking about how Sam mentions a lack of sigil

[spring kernel]

fair

[full jackal]

what happened to bylvis?

isn’t he just a farmer

[shut hornet]

oh nothing

[full jackal]

in tunnel trouble

[spring kernel]

anime character

[rustic nexus]

cuz the box was originally meant for all gavel npcs but they decided against it

[shut hornet]

the sovereign dialogue box was likewise originally for all fruma npcs

[dim plover]

Does the box not still work for them

I guess it’s too Orphion-themed for that

But what sigil

[rustic nexus]

omg wait
imagine every unique race gets a dialogue box...

[dim plover]

Are you talking about the nameplate

I’m so confused

[full jackal]

maybe like slight modifications idk

[rustic nexus]

you see it in the animation for opening a corrupted cache

[dim plover]

I know the realms have sigils

[full jackal]

i mean like it’d be kinda weird if they all got compeltely different ones

[rustic nexus]

ok so purple

[full jackal]

but like maybe slight variations of the default idk

[rustic nexus]

envision the war influence text box

it has the sigil in the background of the text area

[dim plover]

The text box doesn’t have a sigil

[spring kernel]

The light sigil

[shut hornet]

envision*

[dim plover]

Am I hallucinating

[spring kernel]

yeah the light box doesn't have the sigil

but the war one does

[dim plover]

Does it???

[rustic nexus]

the light box doesn't have it, but I wish it did

[dim plover]

I’ve never noticed a sigil

[rustic nexus]

the war box does, and I wish light did too

[dim plover]

I feel like if I did I would have pointed it out

[spring kernel]

light one probably will

[rustic nexus]

you know what would be really good though

[spring kernel]

the war one will hopefully be improved in the future too

[shut hornet]

So lo

[full jackal]

wait does Weird Baka Al still use war if even though he’s working for dern

[rustic nexus]

if for bak'al, the box was the same but the sigil was flipped to look like the anni version

[spring kernel]

how far did you scroll up in the apotheosis thread to find that screenshot

[shut hornet]

fun bonus here is the concept art for this box made by yours truly

[rustic nexus]

LMAO

[shut hornet]

i searched for it

[full jackal]

XD

okay but actually though what are villagers and why do they exist

why are they literally humans with big noses

what evolutionary purpose do the noses serve

and why are they BALD

[whole river]

Why did the Neanderthals have bigger noses

[shut hornet]

bonus fun fact: originally this was the intended rotation of the chaos sigil but we flipped it on annihilation because we were scared that people would figure out that the queen is related to chaos with it because it intentionally looks like a butterfly

[whole river]

Also they’re not all bald

[full jackal]

yea some of them have sides ig

[spring kernel]

They're 90% bald

and the ones that aren't fully bald are half bald

[shut hornet]

in retrospect it was kind of silly to be afraid of that

[whole river]

Tbf 90% of villagers were made before they started making more unique models

Actually probably 100%

[spring kernel]

I remember worrying the eye colours would make the queen's identity too obvious

[full jackal]

yea but like neanderthals didn’t have noses that drooped down like one of those tapiers

like why do they exist

[whole river]

Larger noses were for colder and dryer climates

Gavel just really dry af

[spring kernel]

the CHILDREN are bald

[full jackal]

wait elaborate

[shut hornet]

the eye colours were my idea originally but i then got scared that people would figure out that shes the chaos beast from it

there was originally consideration to have both her eyes be purple instead

[whole river]

That’s why Neanderthals had bigger noses they were in the ice age

Gavel might have been in a more extreme ice age once upon a time

[full jackal]

that came off as really racist for some reason

[shut hornet]

have you guys considered that we made minecraft villagers a different species to humans and then gave them their own province and didnt really think very hard about why they look like that

i found dialogue for an unused gavel quest from 2015 that talked about how villagers cant equip armor because "lol minecraft villagers cant do that"

[whole river]

You’re in lore discussion it’s our job to overanalyze things that we know had little thought put into them

they were just added to have another race but now in 2026 villagers should get some actual love now also cuz they’re still kinda just a stereotype at large

[hybrid gazelle]

I cant believe my OC predict that,,,

[full jackal]

yeah but like how about making them like…

uhh actually y’all used up all the fantasy races

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH I feel so stupid not drawing cvonnection that yellow and purple might be light and dern because I associate them more with white and black LOL

[full jackal]

there literally aren’t any left

[full jackal]

yellow… and purple…?

[shut hornet]

i saw more speculation that she was some kind of balance that was opposite to war

[whole river]

I thought Fruma queen was an aberration of a Dark and Light creature at first cuz moth parallels

Kinda close but very far

[shut hornet]

oh btw was anyone actually caught off guard by the queen being immortal and living for at least 800 years

[full jackal]

nah

[shut hornet]

that was meant as a wtf type of moment but maybe you all expected it

[whole river]

I thought she was always immortal tbh

[full jackal]

queen always came off as an insanely powerful being

[hybrid gazelle]

no ont really

[narrow kestrel]

sorry so when is the tasim love confession happening??

i beat the queen

[whole river]

go to the old leaves hideout iirc

[full jackal]

so like if Zhi can literally revive then why can’t queen live for 800 years

[shut hornet]

i tried to tease it early on with the llevigar archivist dialogue where he talks about how there is no record of fruma ever having a king

[hybrid gazelle]

Samsam this is a game where like

[full jackal]

besides there’s the immortality sources

[hybrid gazelle]

Theorick and Slykaar exist

[shut hornet]

zhiraoks revival is specific to him and not even part of his blessing

[hybrid gazelle]

Queen being immortal is like

[whole river]

I think the queen just had so much presence there’s no way she could’ve been normal

[shut hornet]

its kind of confusing

[hybrid gazelle]

the least surprising thing about her 😭

[full jackal]

yea ik but if he can revive then why can’t quern

[shut hornet]

theorick is corrupted so it makes enough sense

slykaar is just bullshit

[whole river]

I think a bigger plot twist would’ve been that she had a normal age

[shut hornet]

fuck slykaar

[hybrid gazelle]

no even before corrupted

he still live pretty long time

for a human being

also the 4 brothers live up to like

80 years?

and still kicking and not in fucking wheelchair

[shut hornet]

because she doesnt have the revival amulet

[whole river]

(And no I don’t think her being fully human is good just that her having a normal age is weird)

[full jackal]

literally the fountain of youth

[shut hornet]

she is not made of mortal flesh i doubt it would work

[full jackal]

she’s the queen why would she not use the fountain of use (Fruma edition!)

[hybrid gazelle]

Also Bob too but like

he is half om

[full jackal]

well we didn’t know that at first

[hybrid gazelle]

but still

[full jackal]

so like we could’ve reasoned that she used that

so shes immortal either way

[hybrid gazelle]

the amulet is not a "revive" tho

[full jackal]

also btw the fact that immortality springs just exist and can revive the dead

[hybrid gazelle]

it's time reversion

[full jackal]

why do people not use that more

[hybrid gazelle]

so if you use it to counter your death by age

then you kinda just

stuck in a loop LOL

[full jackal]

zhi remembered his death tho

[spring kernel]

ee

[hybrid gazelle]

his body

not his mind

[shut hornet]

im not sure how much of the amulets mechanics are explained right now

it has some weird specifics to it

[hybrid gazelle]

the way that Zhiraok describe it

it feel morel ike time reversion than generic revival

because he talking about the pain of his body like

rewinding??

I gotta check the dialogue agian

but yeah

[shut hornet]

im glad it was deleted from the story tbh because its kind of a really overcomplicated and overpowered item to have exist

[full jackal]

But like actually

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

it's good thing it fucking gone LOL

[full jackal]

why do people not use the immortality springs

the one in dernel is literally completely unguarded

any mf can just walk in and use it

why do more people not use it

[hybrid gazelle]

old content

they did not take that into consideration

[full jackal]

like is it lost or smth cuz we found it very easily

[full jackal]

there’s literally one in fruma

granted that one is way more hard to break into

And it’s completely guarded

[hybrid gazelle]

that because

[full jackal]

so only those approved by the crown (or those who are insanely strong) can use it

[hybrid gazelle]

it heavily guarded

but if you talking about fountain of youth

that just old content

they have not update it

[full jackal]

okay but like what the hell do you mean they did not take that into consideration

[hybrid gazelle]

by that I mean

it was a old piece of content that back then

[full jackal]

like no offense but how do you not consider that

[hybrid gazelle]

they did not build a lore around it

[uneven basin]

In lore It's lost

[full jackal]

it was found pretty easily

[uneven basin]

Imagine dernel is way bigger and hard to traverse

[hybrid gazelle]

normal people are not going to go into dense jungle

espically with undead and whatever is in the jungle

[full jackal]

I guess that kinda makes sense

[hybrid gazelle]

wtf you mean you guess

[uneven basin]

Plus the villager that found it isn't keen on having it become public knowledge

[hybrid gazelle]

irl normal peopel dont go to dense jungle for FUN

[rustic nexus]

isn't the reasoning why no one uses the fountain of youth because the tribes that live in the jungles treat it as a myth and not something that exists, plus it's like inside a cave

only researchers sometimes go there

[full jackal]

I guess means nothing

[uneven basin]

Only researchers go into dernel period

[rustic nexus]

yea

so it is kind of like, under discovered

[full jackal]

okay yea thats reasonable

[rustic nexus]

and the people that did know of it would rather not use it too much

[full jackal]

but they should probably remove the two researcher guys at the fountain

[rustic nexus]

ehhhh

the guy in the cave maybe

[hybrid gazelle]

even then tbh it could more update

[rustic nexus]

but the guy on the surface is fine

yeah

it could be updated

[full jackal]

you know how profitable it would be to sell the location

[hybrid gazelle]

I imagine they will update it more

[rustic nexus]

jungle update...

please ct I need this

my jungle is kind of crusty

[full jackal]

jungle is actually such an underdeveloped area

[rustic nexus]

in and out of meta

[hybrid gazelle]

we can only offer you racist content

[full jackal]

along with pigman ravines

One day, the squares lived in harmony in their little square town. One day, a circle came.

”Get outta here!” The squares said

”but why?” Replied the poor circle helplessly

”because this is an allegory for racism”

[uneven basin]

Mages powerful enough to ward off any mercenary group ig

[full jackal]

Okay yea actually that makes sense

I guess it’s guarded by a group of high mages who block anyone from using it

idk if they were to remake the quest

[rustic nexus]

honestly

what would happen if the corruption made contact with the fountain of youth

[full jackal]

then i suggest have there be a society of high mages who guard the fountain with their life, and eventually there are rumors that the fountain exists. The player then goes to the fountain and finds out about the society. Turns out someone sold them out, and you gotta figure out who it was.

[rustic nexus]

the undead come back to life as seen from the lazarus pit

but... what about something that is already undead and alive

like, would the corruption just explode

[full jackal]

uhh…

maybe they’d become like a corrupted Dedead?

[narrow kestrel]

???

whose fucking payroll is her ass on

[full jackal]

probably anath

But she’s kinda disloyal

[narrow kestrel]

damn no one likes her ass fr

im surprised the queen didnt kick her ass out though

[tropic locust]

2 is weird she seems to kinda do whatever tf she wants

[rustic nexus]

no, two WAS loyal

[narrow kestrel]

even before this she's been cryptic as shit and withholding info, according to zhiraok

[rustic nexus]

it's just that at this point in the story, continuing that loyalty is having a death wish

[narrow kestrel]

which isnt REALLY something you want for a loyal subject

[spring kernel]

Anathema knows what she's like

[rustic nexus]

Anathema knows what she is.

[full jackal]

i mean two only follows queen cuz they have the same goal i think??

[spring kernel]

that too

[rustic nexus]

insert that one dog image

[spring kernel]

anyone have the doc, there's some dialogue about two

[tropic locust]

2 knew the player might break into fruma and she basically just grabbed popcorn and watched what will happen

[narrow kestrel]

she didnt say anything to zeph omg

[proud ginkgo]

two versus player

[rustic nexus]

sec

[narrow kestrel]

buddy its fine you got your boyfriend

[full jackal]

so like really two is only loyal to balance not queen

[narrow kestrel]

😭

[paper wyvern]

Two is only loyal in that they have the same goal the moment she goes off the deep end she just abandons her

[full jackal]

exactly

[paper wyvern]

2 didn't let us see her backstory

[proud ginkgo]

i mean, two could risk facing the player if she stays loyal

[rustic nexus]

I MEAN, WOULD YOU???

we literally went into her MEMORIES

would you allow such a breach in privacy

[spring kernel]

She's loyal because she knows the queen will murder her if she isn't

[full jackal]

honestly maybe anath is delusional

[narrow kestrel]

ok but withholding info when you have the same goal seems counterproductive isnt it

she a bit dumb

😭

[full jackal]

She doesn’t trust us enough i think

[narrow kestrel]

no like

to the queen

zhiraok mentioned shes been like this even before we came

[paper wyvern]

"maybe" no she very much is

[rustic nexus]

she doesn't hold info from the queen????????????

[narrow kestrel]

extremely cryptic as fuck is a variant of withholding info

[rustic nexus]

she just doesn't share it with all the sovereigns

which btw, only zhiraok was apparently the one out of the loop

[paper wyvern]

Yeah queen and Majin are kept in the loop

[spring kernel]

info to those who need to know it

[full jackal]

why majin tho

[rustic nexus]

powerful

[paper wyvern]

Shrug

[full jackal]

like literally why him

[rustic nexus]

I mean

[paper wyvern]

He's the most powerful sovereign

[rustic nexus]

he was there when we talked with two anyway

[full jackal]

other than two

[rustic nexus]

so he would've known some of it

tasim was told because the information is key for the mission into dern

[tropic locust]

why

[spring kernel]

Two isn't really powerful

she's just smart

[rustic nexus]

why would two give this information to zhiraok or soosu(if not imprisoned) or gikyo(if they were alive) or oru
like, this isn't really something that needs to be said to all the sovereigns

[full jackal]

if she trusts TASIM but not Zhiraok (who literally only betrays her after she tries to kill a quarter of fruma) she’s crazy

[rustic nexus]

zhiraok is already busy thinking of just auburn, let alone all of fruma

doubt he really needs to hear about the advances of the realm soap opera

[full jackal]

True ig

i just think it’s kinda important for him to know just in case

besides what harm does it even do

just don’t tell him about what queen is

[rustic nexus]

he would've been told if not for us interrupting I think

[paper wyvern]

Taism is part of the plan

[rustic nexus]

also yeah ^^

why WOULDN'T you give such information to the person going into dern

[full jackal]

Honestly queen had no good choices

tasim is biased for us, we’re way too chaotic and the others are weaklings

[full jackal]

I think tasim should be given the info but zhiraok should know too cuz he was fighting tooth and nail for queen

[narrow kestrel]

everyone was nuts for that boy

😭

cant blame them

so is apotheosis the end of fruma content

or is this another TCC situation

where everything is in the fucking SDs

[spring kernel]

the major fruma lore is in the main quests

[full jackal]

apostheosis is the end… for now

[spring kernel]

the secret discoveries are more about the past

[full jackal]

there’s gonna be a sequel

[narrow kestrel]

more tasim content where he isnt downright hostile hopefully

them explicitly showing the almighty reviving charm on-screen being destroyed was funny as fuck though

i just know they didnt want people saying "BUT ZHIRAOK CHARM!!!!" in future deaths

[stray karma]

yay they can continue killing off ppl

[narrow kestrel]

surely they will let tasim live

after this

[stray karma]

refreshing to have a story where characters can die

[narrow kestrel]

disgraceful character assassination

[stray karma]

Tasim is going to sacrifice himself somewhere

100%

[narrow kestrel]

no

tasim love confession in the wastelands and lari comes back in a cart

believe it

[tropic locust]

love confession while dying 💯

then we put him in a cart

[narrow kestrel]

...back to the hotel room in hyloch, yes i see the vision 💯

[rustic nexus]

I think tasim will live through the storyline

[hybrid gazelle]

@rustic nexus have you seen my writing on wynncrafth oliday

[ember coyote]

son

[rustic nexus]

nop

I have not seen that

[hybrid gazelle]

I NEED A BETTER NAME FOR BOB DAY MAN

[rustic nexus]

robert day

[ember coyote]

who is saphanis

does saphanis show up in later quests cus i havent finished the whole storyline yet

[full jackal]

Festival of Fortitude

[hybrid gazelle]

why

why would it be called festival

when it just a day

[full jackal]

Uhhh

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think people actually use robert to refer to him lol

[rustic nexus]

yea they don't

[rustic nexus]

dern beast

that's their name

[full jackal]

BOBDAY

[rustic nexus]

honestly

[full jackal]

day of determination

[rustic nexus]

wait do we know what season bob was born

[full jackal]

Nope

[rustic nexus]

cuz I like the idea of it coinciding with one of the festivals

[hybrid gazelle]

we dot know LOL

[full jackal]

festival of the heroes is already kinda celebrating him

[rustic nexus]

yeah

maybe if it alligned with bob's birthday

[full jackal]

Probanly that’s what happened

actually

festival of the heroes is probably already his festival

[rustic nexus]

I can already imagine like

aster seeing there's nothing more happening during bob's birthday

and deciding to put his festival to be around that date

[full jackal]

yeah it makes sense

also i cannot believe aster got a portrait but lari doesn’t

[paper wyvern]

Just have it coincide with festival of heroes

[rustic nexus]

yeah that's what I'm saying

[full jackal]

like please ct u don’t need to wait until a later update to add them

you can add them individually or smth

[rustic nexus]

they did say portraits will be added over time

so like

[paper wyvern]

Where's my talking mushroom dialogue picture

[rustic nexus]

it makes sense

[full jackal]

genuinely i’m willing to delay wastelands by half a year

if it means everyone gets their portraits

[rustic nexus]

half a year

lol

good one

[paper wyvern]

Ok but like different teams working on it

Also only half a year lmao

It's gonna get delayed by a year anyway

[full jackal]

like tasim and aledar don’t even have portraits T_T

[rustic nexus]

the person who did all the fruma portraits

did all of the fruma music too

[full jackal]

1 full year then

[full jackal]

holy shit???

[rustic nexus]

texilated the goat

[paper wyvern]

Damn

[full jackal]

Okay then just give tex zhiraok powers then

duhh???

[rustic nexus]

ok well, except kaio's, jiro's and the wynn people in queen's recruit iirc

[full jackal]

also the fact that kaio gets his own portrait T_T

[molten escarp]

do you need to be ascended to join the ct
or I guess do you Become ascended when you join ct

[rustic nexus]

kaio gets like 2 portraits 😭

and jiro has like 1 iirc

[full jackal]

still 😭

[full jackal]

look i’d be happy if aegis got 0.1

[rustic nexus]

for characters like lari, you'd expect something closer to sui's 40ish portraits

[full jackal]

Sui has 40???

[molten escarp]

sui has how many portraits

[rustic nexus]

iirc

[full jackal]

Most of them are the eating one though right???