📚lore_discussion

[full jackal]

syndra II fight

[narrow kestrel]

dunno who that is but i suppose ill know when i get to it

[full jackal]

extremely hard without heals

[mossy badge]

Never

Well

Maybe a little in early since ur not starting at 107

[uneven basin]

to be fair chile exists

[full jackal]

well just do a buncha secret discoveries and all sidequests

and youll be fine

[rich scarab]

maybe a bit at like 117/118 but yeah basically never

[uneven basin]

mountains like that are definitely possible

[mossy badge]

WEs

[full jackal]

yea but it isnt 0m from the ocean

[rich scarab]

i did most and still needed to do a bit of grinding (albeit not much tbf)

[mossy badge]

I'd say batcave better for like lvl 103-107 whenever u need xp cuz the only world events are fucking stackpeak hawks and autumn poachers 😭 (also its only 2)

[mossy badge]

U can do WEs again for xp

Instead of batcave

[rich scarab]

yea but it's a lot lower

[mossy badge]

Ig

Prolly not excluding downtime

Like just do anything while u wait for WE

[full jackal]

also do NOT miss side qiests

some are actually really good

theres a specific sideqiest in the roughworks

do not spoil yourself on that one

literally any spoilers other than that one

[hasty beacon]

Oh yea you must be talking about through the pipes

[full jackal]

that isnt even roughworks

[hasty beacon]

It is lmao

What other regions has pipes

[rich scarab]

through the pipes is roughworks

[mossy badge]

Didn't u spoil urself for the #2nd best wonncraft quest as in u say u never actually did it urself

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[full jackal]

isnt that one the fruma dam?

[hasty beacon]

Thats undersupply

[uneven basin]

of all wynntectonics these moutains make the most sense it's not completely illogical that a mountain range would emerge between an oceanic and continental plate

[mossy badge]

Tbf i dont think u actually go through pipes in through the pipes (unless u count the sewer as a whole as a pipe)

[uneven basin]

but it's all magic anyways

[full jackal]

a plate that is 3km wide

[uneven basin]

it's supposed to be bigger

[full jackal]

Oh right

[uneven basin]

the wold isn't litteraly 10 square km

[weary sigil]

whenever you can't get to the next level from all quests (including side quests) + miniquests + secret discoveries + caves + etc

[full jackal]

through the pipes was cool though

like the gimmick was awesome

[weary sigil]

you should be good for most of fruma, but you may need to use a grindspot around lvls 113-116

[mossy badge]

Especially on release 🔥

[candid vessel]

Through the pipes was laggy asf

[full jackal]

Honestly fruma level grinding wouldnt be nearly as bad if i was actuallh good enough to do wes on level

[candid vessel]

It was a slog to get through

[mossy badge]

Ye on release

[mossy badge]

How can u not do WEs, i can do that on my snail set summoner 💔

[full jackal]

i play on acolyte and i get oneshotted

I even use absolution

i guess i just never took into account defense when making a build

[mossy badge]

🥀

[full jackal]

like i can heal it all back in 2 seconds

but the problem is i don’t have 2 seconds

so i get jumped by ursa major

or stackpeak hawks

bur like if they deal damage slowly then thats no problem

Honestly xima valleh is weird

its part of auburn but also not auburn like at all

[mossy badge]

I mean its not really part of it

Only when u need to categorize it into 1 of the big chunks of the map

[narrow kestrel]

he kicked me out, wtf

[sick quest]

Ooooh have fun and good luck sobbing!

[slender copper]

Did you um... not read the message warning that you will be spoiled about Fruma if you remain here? Unless you already know and is just experiencing it.

[narrow kestrel]

i just send

im not reading anything except for this message

[full jackal]

MACHINE. TURN BACK, NOW. THE HALLS OF THIS PALACE, ARE NOT FOR YOUR KIND.

[mossy badge]

What about.. this?! 🔥

[full jackal]

okah but like don’t even send anything

i would not risk it

accidentally reading a message

okay you’re not replying. Good keep playing the game i promise its good

[sick quest]

Domain Expansion: The Spoilers of Fruma

[full jackal]

AN IMPERFECTION TO BE CLEANSED!

[narrow kestrel]

5 LE for this quest

Her Majesty's a brokie

😭

[sick quest]

which lootrun gives warp again

[haughty birch]

Why is this in #📚lore_discussion

[burnt robin]

cause #🍺general ppl and #🌎wynncraft ppl are clinically insane

[hasty beacon]

I mean theyre talking about the lootrun pools rn so they cant be that insane

[narrow kestrel]

these fruman soldiers got anti-vanish technology

kill the trickster archetype bro it gets scuffed at every twist and turn

[narrow kestrel]

i was right lmfao

[uneven basin]

there's no warp rn if you still need the answer

[regal spire]

What’s the with the water sources in fruma? Why’s this lake just a deposit from magic mountain water

[nova reef]

are there any soverins that we havent seen yet? (that are alive)

[regal spire]

Oru

He’s in the wastelands, so you gotta wait a while for him

[nova reef]

wait is he like still with the queen or is he like cut off
cuz tasim being "the last soverin" implies that oru wasnt exactly in queens command (also i dont think we see him with the queen)

[regal spire]

He’s a glorified prison warden

[mossy badge]

Tasim is the last to receive sovereign title

[regal spire]

His influence on the society of Fruma goes as far as his prison, so I doubt he has alot of actual say or status, beyond his prison

[spring kernel]

When wastelands releases the tasim fight title will actually be updated to "the second-to-last sovereign"

[regal spire]

“Tasim: A sovereign”

[nova reef]

gravity monolith???
so the prison we went to wasnt the monolith???
damn still kinda funny that he got left out of the entire revolution
ig he isnt exactly gravity proof

[nova reef]

nvm this "joke" was terrible

[mossy badge]

Wastelands is TBA, fruma is not finished yet

[spring kernel]

No we went to fort hegea

[regal spire]

I’m excited to see what the prisons gonna be like

They’re hyping this thing up to be ginormous

[mossy badge]

Surely its a dungeon which is actually good

[nova reef]

makes sense
well now we just need to wait 18 years for fruma 2 to be announced
wasnt the gravity monolith escape the one that happened off screen? (would make sense why i mistook them)
no idea what he is guarding at this point point but one thing is clear (vanish will still be ignored by everyone in stealth missions)

[spring kernel]

yes

[mossy badge]

It happened off screen by the mistwoods tribes ye

Also im not sure but i think wastelands update is not far away

[uneven basin]

All water sources in Wynn are magic mountain water

And hydrology doesn't really make sense anyways

[regal spire]

Rivers…

[nova reef]

wierd how they just broke them out after being considered too dangerous for them to do and a suicide mission

[regal spire]

We inspired them fr

[uneven basin]

Let me tell you about rivers

There's the one in the savannah that goes downstream both ways

There's the Mesa that should have flooded long ago

There's river sage that just... Goes underground???

[regal spire]

That’s the thing, the Mesa hasn’t flooded because of the desert curse

[nova reef]

they realised they filled the "get base found 10 times win free prison break card" that every resistance group gets

[uneven basin]

Also time valley bridge lake should have flooded but the water time travels ig

[regal spire]

I hope they edit that one to have the water flowing up into the air and back into its source

[uneven basin]

Hydrology update when my immersion is ruined

[nova reef]

if it releases the bugs will somehow make it less immersive them before

[signal bough]

flowing rivers would be cool

[uneven basin]

We'd have to reckon with the fact that the main Wynn river is unnavigable

[warm flicker]

need i remind u that because we stopped the colossus, the canyon no longer shifts, meaning all the waterfalls and rivers in the canyon have no place to drain and will slowly but surely flood the entire region

[signal bough]

Finally

[uneven basin]

Also there's not a single river mouth in the gavel mountains !!! Does all the water go into grootslang karstic caves ???

Also sky islands water

[sick quest]

lowkey id love if there was another small town/somewhere w a scroll merchant and bank in SE

maybe even aelumia style everything attacks you

[spring kernel]

SE is kinda too small for another town imo

[sick quest]

SE should be expanded (hoping that happens w the dern update but ik thats far from now)

[hybrid gazelle]

We don’t know beyond just worshipping salted stand in

[hybrid gazelle]

Se also too big for contents it has lmaooo

[sick quest]

The great curse of wynncraft: barrier blocks

[unique jungle]

i love that there is just a religion around salted its so goofy

[wanton pebble]

There is nothing after the Main Quesline?

After doing the raid, is there nothing after?

Lore wise?

[uneven basin]

go the leaves HQ in auburn but besides the little interraction you will find nothing has been implemented yet

[wanton pebble]

so only Tasim there

nothing else

[young dock]

they all went into hiding after a failed coup attempted

[wanton pebble]

thats a wierd way to end a giant storyline

the amount of filler storyline it had

they could have implemented some good ending after the raid

[exotic bough]

this line now hits a little different

[slim belfry]

"Uh yeah I sure did, Fruma seems a lot better off without her"
"Fruma?"
"Oh right Arakadicus"

[exotic bough]

Player: I mean Aldwell is the closest thing I can think of for a village but you'll let the people of the Auburn Forest know, right?
Captain Enduyn: soldier what the fuck are you talking about

[slim belfry]

reminds me of that one section in AJH

[exotic bough]

the "but im level 1XX" option?

[slim belfry]

YEAH

gosh it's such a good quest

[slender copper]

It changes depending on your level too! lol

[exotic bough]

what if

player went back to the ragni outskirts at level 2

[slender copper]

They get immediately cooked by Fort Terran.

[slender copper]

ngl I didn't realize this wasn't Fruma related at first 💀

[exotic bough]

average npc reaction to a world-altering event with massive ramifications to come in 2014: wow, you beat that guy! that's impressive. that's all i'll have to say

one must wonder what fruma wouldve been like if it released in december 2015

and then gavel was released april 2026

[slender copper]

Gavel will not have all the issues it does, that's for sure 💀

[young dock]

https://tenor.com/view/scout-tf2-evaporation-evaporate-evaporated-team-fortress-2-gif-3601728232153696258

[slim belfry]

https://youtu.be/CwXU5bzCjg8

[grizzled frost]

[slim belfry]

gosh imagine everyone being player models

[paper wyvern]

Consider

Mage has a light associated archetype

Warrior has a corruption associated one

Assassin, shadestepper could be debatably related to dark

Shaman has Eldritch which could be associated with void

And archer just gets the physical plane

[dim plover]

Wait why is eldritch void

Wouldn't eldritch be more like darkness also

[sick quest]

if anything id flip shadestepper and eldritch

also i officially have collected every teleport scroll

[slim belfry]

me whenever lore gets brought up about archetypes

I should make myself a short list on what abilities I'd personally use 🤔

Call of the Hounds: same except it's lava hound and tackles enemies to the ground
Twain's Arc: as is
Vanish: as is

dirty sniper set

[frozen turtle]

Which shaman archetype is eldritch??

And Eldritch could be like any of the other realms

[slim belfry]

they probably meant acolyte

[frozen turtle]

ig yeah

Don’t get how that’s void at all

[slim belfry]

no archetype is void because void is nothing

but I guess you can mix and match your own like I did

[frozen turtle]

rift walker kinda gives void vibes

[slim belfry]

it does yeah

it's hard not to think of it as blatantly cosmic

[sick quest]

in general the sky islands content is very rift walker (void, moon, etc)

or tempo town/time valley

[slim belfry]

the time node yeah

[frozen turtle]

my favourite archetype is Paladin cuz it implies the bovemisism is real

[sick quest]

wdym implies doesnt everyone know that bovemism is real and the one true faith

[slim belfry]

oh yeah has anyone mentioned that silverbull might be related to bovemism

[sick quest]

dude we had a massive convo abt that yesterday

the Capitalism Beast that lives on the moon and runs the silverbull company and is the object of the bovemist faith

[slim belfry]

I hate that this makes sense

[sick quest]

Mem

[slim belfry]

Wynnexcavation: We will use the crystals for power ❌
Silverbull: We will hold the means to control the economy ✅

[signal bough]

do you think if slykaar knew about global capitalism he would rethink his plan

[barren phoenix]

Silverbull could have overthrown the queen if they wanted to tbh

[sick quest]

Silverbull sponsored the rebellion because the erasure of the auburn forest by Anathema would be bad for business

[slender copper]

...does... does everyone forget who actually loses in this image fight?

[gilded gazelle]

Random question, do we know who the realm of darkness's scion is?

[slim belfry]

nope

[sick quest]

Might be Bak’al (since he’s left Anathema for Saphanis)

[sick quest]

No but the meme format works a certain way lmao

R/whoosh

[dim plover]

People are thinking that Lari's either trapped, possessed or just straight up dead but what if she's actually kicking ass in the Realm of Darkness and holding her own while evading DB

So when we finally enter the realm thinking that we won't see Lari as we knew her ever again we just meet the elf running around the place as some roughed-up war version of herself that's been aura farming and taking down monsters for the past few months
(Character redemption?!?!?!?!)

[sick quest]

Dude that would be so epic god I hope so

[split night]

I have like
always think of Lari in RoD as like fucking doomslayer and doomslayering all over the place like
she would look so much like a survivalist and stuff and have Bob as her friend and companion

She would have a much more twisted ethic now that she is in Dern and have killed a lot of things
she'd be so cool

[young dock]

https://tenor.com/view/drapetrain-gif-17993431870580643651

What lari is currently doing

[split night]

She share most of Orphion power being a direct scion yeah

I think she either doing that or hiding around Dern and avoiding Saphanis eyes

[faint cosmos]

So do we know who exactly is saphanis? I think he's only mentioned in anathema's last dialogs

[young dock]

Currently just that

[faint cosmos]

Seems we're to slay both orphion and saphanis in the future?

[vestal rivet]

we find Lari and she's just been hiding in some cave in Dern the entire time
alive but like malnourished or something lol

[tepid blade]

Saphanis is the Dern Beast

[vestal rivet]

Light and Dark Orphion and Saphanis duo fight raid when

[young dock]

We’re finding Lari like thragg wearing battle beast 😭😭😭😭

[split night]

stop hyping me up so bad this just gonna give her so much aura

xD

[young dock]

She’s going to go beast mode #trust

[vestal rivet]

a generic mage with no aura to back it up is nothing

you better be able to stylishly hover, or visibly just be a piece of arcane artillery on logs or be some kind of voodoo shaman ok?

[young dock]

https://tenor.com/view/piccolo-aura-piccolo-aura-aura-farming-aura-farm-gif-4796219510675252498

How we’ll find lari

[faint cosmos]

Maybe later in wasteland update

I want her to become something like "fallen angel". That will be pretty cool

kinda infected by darkness like

btw has anyone made a "full history of wynncraft" yet?

[split night]

yes

someone did in a doc

[vestal rivet]

tbh we probably need to get a better grip of Old Fruman for that to be complete

we got some ooolllddd Wynn and Fruma civilization stuff in them records that afaik can't be completely read yet

Old Frumans apparently interacted with the desert civilization that Hashr was part of

if we got like bite-sized chunks of Gavel that took the same approach with say a reimagined High Gavellian that'd be epic
probably not happening this decade though lol

[faint cosmos]

How can i find that

[split night]

idk it's in this chat tab but it's probably very high up

lemme chek

[split night]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/119UJDgULyjSy-suC8W1w-oibhDvT6uPq4RwxzqBTzjE/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.k5ycjjae8l2l

[faint cosmos]

Cool ty

[untold warren]

My offer stands by the way

[radiant dune]

do you have it available to read anywhere? just stumbled upon it

[full jackal]

i’d like to remind everyone that this is the person they’re talking about

[full jackal]

uhh yea

they translated it using the rosetta stone

in the passage in fareast highlands

ans there are various samples of old fruman language in fruma

gale also drops a phonology chart when you interact with her after doing a house divided

[radiant dune]

i can look for it, but honestly if someone already translated it id rather just read it directly

[radiant dune]

how do you do that? isnt she in the hive?

[full jackal]

go to the thread for old frumannlanguage

[radiant dune]

ooh theres a thread got it

[full jackal]

you can talk to her in the hive

pinned emssages

[radiant dune]

alright ill go do that then!

ty

[full jackal]

cool, have fun ig

[slender copper]

Feel like it's best to just ignore the freaks at this point lmao.

[full jackal]

oh would that help though

[slim belfry]

I wanna have tea time with two and talk about the things we've seen

[untold warren]

Yes.

[full jackal]

like actual question how

How

how would that help in the slightest

[slender copper]

This is something I can get behind with the amount of lore Two has given us lol.

[full jackal]

We still don’t know enough about two in the slightest, i think we’ll probably learn more about her in the wsstelands or dern

but yea itd be really cool if she could just…

tell us

now

[full jackal]

two would NOT ever give an actual answer tho

[untold warren]

I hold her back while y'all prepare your potions

And your spells

[slim belfry]

it's just a friendly chit chat

doesn't have to be secrets

[full jackal]

mf you’re dyin in 2 seconds and i will NOT feel bad. Also spells + potions don’t have prep time

[full jackal]

true

[untold warren]

Death by snu snu.

Shit aint bad

[full jackal]

i think honestly even a smidgen of info would be helpful

[full jackal]

i searched that up and i hate you

[untold warren]

HAHAHAHHAHAH

[slim belfry]

saying less is an option

also the queen isn't an option because

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1475330701988724757/1489485129683439696/old.png?ex=69d096a0&is=69cf4520&hm=735f7643af644dc85f3d865887940bc6d73f3c6c75b80cb72041ec06c0c81eae&

[full jackal]

@Flamboyant wynn larper

[misty jetty]

Question, so we know that magic (unless one is a manaweaver) needs a channel, usually a metal or wooden weapon.
But does that material need to be worked in order for the magic to function?
Like obviously casting with a weapon for damaging spells is far more effective, but could someone like have a ring or a coin they use for stuff like teleport/vanish or any of the other rrr spells?

[split night]

i don't think this is gonna stop anyone

[full jackal]

probably yes

[split night]

have you ever like prof and craft your weapon

[slim belfry]

^

[full jackal]

weapons are just way more effective at channeling magic

[slender copper]

^ Sadly this is the case for any character.

[split night]

you can use anything as focus appearantly
Titanium so far is the best material to craft since it give the most damage(?)

[misty jetty]

I see, the main reason I asked was just to make sure that my protag for a fic I'm writing using a coin as a channel for Vanish made sense, because I think it's kind of goofy to draw your weapon just to travel fast.

[untold warren]

Wouldn't it be smarter if Ragni King just built walls around his nation?

Like walls getting longer and longer so theres more living space

[full jackal]

Ragni king is not smart

[split night]

A magician that use a coin to channel their magic is so fucking cool I love that

[split night]

and... who's gonna defend those walls

[full jackal]

ragni guard

recruits

[split night]

also Corruption behave like a mushroom with roots

[misty jetty]

Thanks, it's mostly just for minor cantrips like Vanish, but I could probably find other interesting things to do with it.

[untold warren]

The recruits and guards

[split night]

it can literally pop inside of the city with no regard for wall

[slim belfry]

awesome idea

[wary lantern]

i wonder if sui is gonna be a big part of our fight against bak'al

[full jackal]

underground wall

[wary lantern]

her arc has a kinda interesting open end rn

[full jackal]

most likely

[untold warren]

Its gonna be easier to isolate and remove it then

[split night]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-explosion-explodes-cat-explodes-gif-10131775219258044191

[untold warren]

Like if a part of the wall falls, just block off that area and make more walls

[full jackal]

i’m a genius i know

[wary lantern]

and wynn has made a notably big deal of how ice magics can ward off corruption and even push it back if strong enough

[untold warren]

like Ba Sing Se

[misty jetty]

And where are you getting the fighting force? How are you paying them? Because a country spanning wall is going to need a lot of soldiers, not to mention a lot of food, weapons, armor, ect.

[split night]

the spike have some kind of airborn spor effect once it get up it can literally get into your blood system it seems

[untold warren]

Okay wait

[wary lantern]

itd only be fitting that she join us

[untold warren]

Import ice mages from Nesaak, make a wall, freeze your own civilization, make Yuri fanfic, and then fight corruption

Simple

[wary lantern]

pffft

[untold warren]

So just like the plague, you tough it out or get killed yknow

[full jackal]

1. From Fruma and existing soldiers 2. Don’t pay them, use propaganda instead 3. Realistic points? In my wynncraft?

[split night]

not even a serious discussion
we don't even know how much control of the region Ragni King have
maybe he already built a wall over the main region he have control over

[untold warren]

The only walls I see is the main city of Ragni

[full jackal]

Two words: BIG. WALL.

[split night]

yes that's literally every part Ragni have control over

[sick quest]

Sui Lari and Rex or Tasim or Zeph for the bak’al fight?

[full jackal]

we’re gonna build a wall, the best wall that has ever been built

[misty jetty]

Not to mention the source of the corruption (who isn't Ana from my understanding) lies in the heart of Wynn at the giant fricking portal. So unless you build a wall around that what's the point?

[full jackal]

and its gonna keep the illegal corrupteds out

[sick quest]

Moat> Wall

[split night]

Ragni King is not the King of the Province boat damn it like Detlas is not in his control likely

[sick quest]

Walls are much easier to circumvent than moats

[split night]

Almuj is not even in Ragni King control too are we building a Ragni wall around that

??

[untold warren]

lowkey, what if the city states just unite their forces to help beat the corruption instead of relying on recruits from Fruma?

[split night]

Ragni King already built a big ass wall around Ragni, where is he gonna even extend those walls

[split night]

THEY ALREADY DID

😭

[sick quest]

Fruma/Anathema would probably be pissed

[untold warren]

THEY'RE ASS AT DEFENDING THEIR OWN CITIES GNG

[misty jetty]

Yeah, like how do the governments of Wynn and Gavel for that matter work? I mean, I guess Gavel you just have a bunch of city states with their own government, but Wynn's got like a High King situation going on I think... Idk, a lot of the logistical elements aren't well explained at least in my experience.

[split night]

Yes and they stil already did are you serious??

[sick quest]

Wynn is city states too

[untold warren]

Fuck it what if we just befriend the corrupted?

[untold warren]

We already did that irl with politicians

[split night]

we are a Ragni soldier sent to Detlas for an admiral in detlas to give us order
fucking

[sick quest]

LMAOOO

[full jackal]

lowkey if corrupteds are this weak and detlas military combined can match annie then i think they have no excuse to not have completely wiped out the hndead

[split night]

😭

IT'S NOT THAT WEAK

[untold warren]

yknow what, what if we just gonna make out with the Corrupted so that they feel more accepted y'know???

[sick quest]

There are diff tiers of corrupted strenggh

[full jackal]

I’m seriois

[sick quest]

And theyre still stronger than the soldiers

[untold warren]

What if they just need a hug fr

[full jackal]

the highest level corrupteds are like 70somethung

[split night]

A city near detlas literally fall to Bak'al army which I might add consist of 5 zombie and 2 skeleton

[full jackal]

annie is a 105lvl world boss

[split night]

What is this discussion 😭

[sick quest]

Higher than that

[full jackal]

therr is no way they can beat annie but not wipe oit every undead

[untold warren]

The power of friendship can destroy anything

[split night]

We don't even know how big of an army was the army that help us in the Annie fight oh my boat

[full jackal]

WHERE???

[split night]

the fact that Annie is canonically the smallest size monster inside of RoW is insane

[untold warren]

I think it was half of all serving men in Ragni + Detlas combined?

[sick quest]

Cave by the portal you access during the silent expanse starting questline

[misty jetty]

Wait what? When is that said?

[split night]

someone in CT

[sick quest]

Lvl 100s or smthn

[full jackal]

okay then get that same army to start wiping out everything

[untold warren]

Considering 13 - 85 years of military aged men

[full jackal]

silent expanse is not a problem

[sick quest]

13-45

[misty jetty]

Yikes, man I can't wait to explore the other realms at some point.

[full jackal]

…okay, and???

[split night]

Corruption is a disease that gain control of you once you fucking bleed

[full jackal]

just get all of them to do a campaign across all of wynn

[untold warren]

So it literal infects you when you begin to bleed

[full jackal]

millions of deaths are expendable

[sick quest]

No im saying there r corrupteds that u fight in a cave by the roots of corruption that r lvl 100s that u only meet during the se questline

[sick quest]

Thats crazy

[split night]

bringing a big army to destroy the corruption WHICH will solve it temporally and NOT even gonna stop it perminantly like WHAT THE FUCK are you guys on 😭

you have to close the portal for that

[untold warren]

A big army is just a band aid fix 😭😭

[full jackal]

i am on what politicians are on

[split night]

which, what is the army gonna do about the portal??

[full jackal]

when they suggest dumbass policies like i am rn

[untold warren]

ngl what did that one rich dude in nesaak see in the otherside of the portal?

I forgot his name

[full jackal]

NOTHING!

[untold warren]

twain fucker, something

[split night]

Theorick got corrupted the moment he enter the portal, not see

[untold warren]

Okay

[split night]

in WTP raid we got corrupted too, when you pick up the debuff in before room 3

[untold warren]

We're already cursed

It don't matter

[split night]

... don't tell me you think of the label "curse" as in literally cursed and not a propaganda

[sick quest]

If u wanted a stronger solution to corrupted import true ice from gavel, import recruits from fruma, use the infrastructure capabilities of the corkians and frumans, and have the corkians build mechs to patrol the outside of the ice wall

[split night]

I'm done with this conversation

[untold warren]

I am susceptible to propaganda

[sick quest]

And that would be incredibly difficult and costly

[misty jetty]

Not to mention I don't think the world of Wynn has a big enough population. Like with everything going on I would put it at probably a little less, or maybe within the one billion range.

[split night]

the war went on for 1000 years because due to the simple fact that they can't fucking close the portal

even if you kill all of the corrupted, new one just gonna pop up where it fall

[misty jetty]

Yeah

[split night]

because people age and die

or die to an unrelated causes

[sick quest]

(Take a breather, dont stress, lwky get off discord)

[split night]

and their body is gonna be reanimated

[misty jetty]

Maybe the resonance weaver could help?

[untold warren]

the queen already answered that, I think?

[split night]

Could be? it manipulate matter

[full jackal]

okay but counterpoint: if you do this then ill gove you lots of money

[untold warren]

maybe we'll find out more in the Wastelands

[misty jetty]

Wonder if Ana planned to work on the portal after balancing Dawn and Shade

[split night]

i need to be on to look at my art for reference to draw new art

Eulogia and Ana beast form interaction

[sick quest]

Respectable respectable maybe mute this channel? o7

[slim belfry]

wastelands is side content it ain't gonna give much emphasis on main story

[split night]

Im not gonna mute im just blocking those two

[untold warren]

Btw you can see the gate close in the Beginner quest

[sick quest]

I hope it still is pretty involved at least w deraj and some more details on rebellion

[untold warren]

King's Recruit

[sick quest]

Maybe related to Two?

[sick quest]

Thats hype

[full jackal]

Look i’m just saying yes this is a dumbass idea that will get millions killed but also if you agree with me then i’ll give you a whole lot of money just to make this happen

[misty jetty]

Eulogia?

[full jackal]

In wynnswap

anathem is swapped to become eulogia

[split night]

my daughter

[sick quest]

Whats wynnswap exactly?

Sounds cool

[misty jetty]

Ah, I love her magnificent

[full jackal]

you know underswap?

[split night]

it's my AU about swapping role of characters and see its consequence

most important swap is Saphanis and Orphion

[sick quest]

Ahhhhhh

[misty jetty]

So does that mean Orphion is the beast of Shade?

[split night]

no they are still themselve but swap their hostility and tameness

[sick quest]

Saphanis is light orphion is dark? (Which is already canon; i am saphanis’s strongest soldier)

[slim belfry]

ah so antagonistic Orphion

[misty jetty]

Sick

[misty jetty]

You mean canon Orphion?

[sick quest]

Already canon, get that fraud outta here

[split night]

Saphanis is still dark and Orphion is still Light, they are just like swap their situation

[slim belfry]

openly antagonistic orphion

[split night]

yes xd

[misty jetty]

Ah so Orphion is the one with added weight

[misty jetty]

Again canon, fricking time loop trolly problem.

[sick quest]

Does this mean u swapped lari and dullahan or lari and bak’al or smthn like that?

[split night]

Orphion is much bigger and spikier yeah, in this AU Light and Dark "love" and find unity to create Eulogia, but Light want dominance and is trying to force Dark on this love

[sick quest]

Lwky since anathema is a butterfly maybe make Peace a moth?

[slim belfry]

orphion tries to disguise his actions as good though

[regal spire]

What’s the lore behind the one Fox Member in the Citadel that likes to dance to the music

[sick quest]

Ah hype

[split night]

her name is Eulogia with her shell name being Grace xd

[misty jetty]

Interesting, and still a great example of how the forces consume everything they touch.

[split night]

#1495805797274484736

[full jackal]

i think he claimed that he taught the elves morality or smth

what he actually means is that he taught the elves HIS morality

[regal spire]

Figured I’d leave the beginning in so people know what it’s like to play rn

But, look, bro dances to the music

[misty jetty]

Even though bro claims to be "above morality"

[full jackal]

he’s a hypocrit and he knows it

[untold warren]

whats the national dish of Fruma rn?

gonna try makin that shit irl

[full jackal]

not sure

[misty jetty]

Idk I usually got the fish curry when I played on the beta

[vestal rivet]

The Canopy is insane having read more about them

started as a group working under the crown then decided "nope nope nope" when changelings came into play lol

[indigo wedge]

one of the hyloch restaurant options maybe

[misty jetty]

Really? Is this in some of the secrets?

[indigo wedge]

although thats probably just highlands-specific

[split night]

They're went from evil to chaotic good

i love them

[full jackal]

wait really??

[untold warren]

I'll start with Highlands first then

[vestal rivet]

they're internally more neutral
they have rules they follow generally, but don't have many issues breaking them when its convenient

[misty jetty]

Same Canopy is my favorite rebel faction right next to the leaves. Feathers is also great.
Blades... Are also there.

[split night]

the blades are basically just a group of billionaires who feel guilty

[radiant dune]

cant find it, do you know where im supposed to look?
nvm finally found it

[vestal rivet]

yeah they started out working for the crown, with their leader being a sovereign

[slim belfry]

caetal right

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1490018575162020042/1493419833356718271/image.png?ex=69ffdc9a&is=69fe8b1a&hm=0f67755cabd05c2118c142c1d9bbe7600d3d14cb02d29174750516430d380d56&

[split night]

he look so gangsta

[misty jetty]

True but they are also actively working against laws which are unjust which would mark them as chaotic, as they are actively working against the standards of their society in an effort to tear said societal structure down.

[vestal rivet]

more upper middle class, so the equivalence is that some of them are maybe have a million to their name at best
and it's more like a bunch of 1st world soccer moms who have known nothing but their nice neighborhoods trying to discuss politics in sub-saharan africa lol

[slim belfry]

LOL

[split night]

at least there is one actual person in there who genuinely care

[vestal rivet]

I love when 1 detail of what I said addresses the argument for me

[misty jetty]

Ah, my apologies

[vestal rivet]

"internally"

[vestal rivet]

yeah I think it was this guy

he went straight to same-day ritualistic execution upon discovering the first changeling
which to Gikyo's credit is insane, as they said
Azael took over the Canopy after that point, as a rebellion from that point onwards I believe
meanwhile Gitephe (may be wrong about this one) became the new Mistwoods Ranger

[full jackal]

I mean i’d say if we had to rank the actual effectiveness pre-player

then it’d be 1. Canopy 2. Steel feather 3. Leaves 4. Blossom

cuz like steel feather actually helps people

cursed

[misty jetty]

Also is there any right answer to the festival quest? I haven't played since the beta (still waiting for the alt route so I can traumatize Tasim myself.) But like is there any way to save all of the suspects?

[vestal rivet]

I was going to debate the leaves vs. feather but now that I think of it more I think you're just right

[vestal rivet]

there IS a way to tell the organizer that none of them did it
but that just gets all 3 of them killed

so

yeah

[misty jetty]

Yeah the feathers did a lot for the industrial district, especially being able to give people homes outside of the company neighborhoods.

[full jackal]

yea

[misty jetty]

Yeah... That's the ending I got in the beta.

[full jackal]

wait… WHAT

wait they ALL died??

[slender copper]

From what I heard, it's rather one or all three that die.

[vestal rivet]

you know the scene where you see the person you accused inside the wicker man?
well if you say it was none of them, the scene shows all 3 of them inside

[full jackal]

i did not see that

[split night]

I FUCKING hate celebration in smoke

always

[full jackal]

there is not a good answer

[vestal rivet]

so yeah
accuse someone, even if they're innocent it's better than getting 2 bystanders killed

[misty jetty]

Also how does the economy of Fruma work? Because like the queen sets the quotas, but the factories seem to be privately owned, so... Well I guess she can delegate ownership and maintenance to specific subjects, but then how are they getting more money than the actual workers? I understand the noble houses in the Highlands, they trade among each other and the Citadel, but like, the heck's going on in the Roughworks?

[full jackal]

f[[GIKYO!!]]ck that organizer

[slim belfry]

super trolley problem scenario

[vestal rivet]

worst part about Celebrations in Smoke imo is that if you pay attention, literally any of the suspects could be changelings as they were all 3 in the woods by themselves for a time before the festival 🙃

[full jackal]

How are they getting more money than the workers?

[misty jetty]

Man ct loves their trolley problems, huh?

[full jackal]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

[vestal rivet]

I assume that the factory owners are allowed to maintain their ownership so long as they go along with any requirements of the inquisitors and meet their quotas, and are allowed to do whatever tf else they want so long as those 2 conditions are met

naturally, being able to control the flow means it's pretty easy to give yourself a bit of an extra boost

[misty jetty]

Fair enough

Kind of like the nobles in the Final Empire from Mistborn. Gotta make your contracts with the inquisitors and such.

But then does the queen decide what factories get built, or would that be the sovereign's job?

[fresh orchid]

Changelings can’t fake memories. One of them knew about the burnt medallion, so I think that’s at least one of them cleared.

I’m most suspicious of the one who had to hide the fruman military gear - wouldn’t a changeling be equipped?

[vestal rivet]

which would explain the prevalence of both private property and government ownership both
if you're stubborn enough and don't make the crown mad you can exist, make them happy and you get to keep existing

[vestal rivet]

Arris doesn't mention the burnt medallion until you bring the ashes

the other clanman does, but not Arris

and then Burrick just has 0 ties to anyone at all

Cerisa was my go-to pick because she was a deserter, a convenient excuse for having crown ties
but idk exactly how directly tied changelings are to the rest of the crown's forces so that could just mean nothing

[misty jetty]

Probably, but what I don't get are the nobles. Like how does upward mobility (as if there is any) in Fruma work? Like did the queen just establish the families like Mr. House?

[fresh orchid]

Personally, my read of the events was that what Arris lost was was the crate of tea, got exiled for it, and the clanless scavenger found it, which is where the tea comes from.

[full jackal]

basically espren and mistwoods are kinda left out of most of it, mistwpods just makes spies and is isolated from the rest of the province and auburn gets tourism money (i think), roughworks produces everything and highlands and citadel reap the benefits while training soldiers and producing fabrics andsuch

but don’t quote me i’ve never taken an exonomics class in my life

[vestal rivet]

at least a few of the houses existed before the queen rose to power, like Nasin

others tie their identity to the crown (that on that just makes a bunch of Wings) and could be younger than the province as we know it as well

basically
if you don't suck up to the crown you can't get very high
but if you DO kiss her behind and actually are good at it then you can hope to maybe move upwards

[signal bough]

nah that's pretty accurate. Auburn using a different currency is a good example of that

[misty jetty]

Gotcha, not to mention there's probably plenty of vassal houses which the nobles made which may have been elevated through marriage and such.

[fresh orchid]

I think one vehicle of ascent is via the army.

People are conscripted into the army, anyone can rise in the ranks there. If you’re rise to be a commander or a general, you’re gonna be rich, puts you in the upper class, your kids will inherit wealth and remain in the upper class. That opens up opportunities for them.

[vestal rivet]

a lot of houses just kinda specialize in a single thing
remant of a division of labor between families in the pre-royal ages?

[full jackal]

fruma is actually ridiculously militarized

[misty jetty]

Feudalism, makes sense.

Or I guess whatever the Legion was in Rome

[full jackal]

way more professional than Detlas or especially Gavel

[vestal rivet]

I keep bringing this up
Her Majesty rules her land like a military occupation

[full jackal]

like does the gavel military even do anything

[signal bough]

I think the army is underexplored

[signal bough]

uhhh yes

there are so many hostile greenskin and beastmen groups

[misty jetty]

Which I still don't get, like sure rebellions, but like do they do border patrol or are they just glorified animal control?

[vestal rivet]

I don't think they even have a central military or coalition
they all just kinda do their own things, and if there's cooperation, it's coincidental

[fresh orchid]

They try to fix the colossus situation. Fail, sure, but they do recruit international help for it.

[full jackal]

that was more thesead independantly

[vestal rivet]

Gavel hasn't been united since the monarchy fell I think
unless they have some villager president they still vote for together

and even then, that was just the villagers

[fresh orchid]

Isn’t Gavel, presumably outside the dwarven/elven lands, a republic after they overthrew their monarchs? Implies to me some larger union.

[signal bough]

it's canonically a federal republic

[vestal rivet]

Olux tried and failed to get funding from the others

so uh
yeah

Gelibord also seems to be struggling a bit

and Lexdale
wow their prison gets mroe funding than they do now

[signal bough]

it's a federal prison, which is how we know Gavel is federal

[fresh orchid]

Also the discovery in the guild hall iirc

[signal bough]

so the govt of Gavel is funding the prison and Gelibord separately

[vestal rivet]

Lexdale Penititiary and Lexdale the town probably used to be closely associated

you know?

and now the town is just Salem Lite

[fresh orchid]

I got the impression that however things are now, the Penitentary is just shipping people to Dullahan on the side.

[vestal rivet]

true
how does Dullahan pay the prison though is something I'd like to know

[fresh orchid]

He’s got powerful dark magic. Summons a whole lot of demons during Headless Histories. Might be tied to that.

[signal bough]

safe to say the tenebrous infantry is in his employ

[full jackal]

idk i hope in gavel rereborn they have a better explanation for how the gavellian government works

[full jackal]

why is gavel working with dullahan in the first place?

[vestal rivet]

Gavel is still not a single entity

the prison is selling out to him, but how they're being paid is what I was asking about

[slim belfry]

I'm in the nexus of light is this corruption

[frozen turtle]

is Llevigar, Olux and Gelibord and stuff apart of the same government or are they al ljust singular areas

[signal bough]

no

no netherrack

[signal bough]

loose federal govt with high autonomy for its constituent members

[hybrid gazelle]

Is this nexus of the light

[signal bough]

Orphion's lava room

[hybrid gazelle]

What if nexus of light begin from the island itself rather than inside the nexus

So there are more variant in challenges than random ass room

[signal bough]

the aesthetics are peak tho

[full jackal]

Honestly thinking back yeah what was i saying the annihalation army killing all corrupteds in wynn is a terrible ide

why would i ever think that would work lmao

[signal bough]

terrible in all regards or terrible in a fun way?

[full jackal]

terrible in a fun way

I do this weird thing where i have a dumb idea then other people point out that its a dumb idea so i realize its a dumb idea but i don’t wanna say it cuz that would be boring so i give increasingly unserious and sarcadtic answers to anyone pointing out the fact that its a dumb idea

[signal bough]

as long as it's interesting...

[full jackal]

and like i hope everyone can tell that i acknowledge its a stupid idea but a lot of times they don’t lmao

But is level scaling actually canon in wynn?

cuz theres no way Garoth is weaker than some random adasaur in the mistwoods

[primal anchor]

actually id buy that

[worthy cargo]

wynncraft's power hyperinflation is worse than zimbabwe

the mistwoods is stupid why don't they walmart the entire place

[hybrid gazelle]

Mistwood is simply too useful as place to train changeling to completely wipe it

if changeling no longer a thing, it likely that they would remake entire district to be something else

[primal anchor]

sui's first order of business as queen of fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

but its closeness to prison and wasteland can be difficult

[primal anchor]

glass the mistwoods and build 20 restaurants

[nocturne stone]

I think you could explain it due to the different strength of magic and stuff like that

Garoth is powerful in Wynn but in Fruma everything is buffed up

[worthy cargo]

man i aint finish the story

but whatever

[primal anchor]

raid content gets scaled up when you do it at a higher level than the minimum so the answer must be no

[worthy cargo]

i dont think that actually happens

[summer bluff]

Maid cafe style mistwoods restaurant but everyone is wearing the gikyo and azael getups

Canopy themed

[worthy cargo]

why am i here even

[hybrid gazelle]

tbh even then post story, Mistwood not getting any change

some people like Rurie and Cileon likely want it to stay as it is

I think Mistwood prefered to be isolated and just want chalngeling stuff being gone

[summer bluff]

They should probably like. Get it some government assistance tho

[summer bluff]

Where would they go tho?

[hybrid gazelle]

they probably have some represenative in the coucil

[hybrid gazelle]

most of changeling are indoctrinated to the crown

[summer bluff]

Fuhue the goat

[hybrid gazelle]

so it likely they just killed off

or phase out

without thecrown to release changeling into mistwood, their numbers will eventually pahse out

[summer bluff]

man if only there was someone who taught them for centuries that they would probably be more loyal to wouldn't that be crazy

[hybrid gazelle]

Depend on how willingly whe commit

Azeal could give second chance to the changelings

but consider he wanting to retire

[summer bluff]

Kinda depressing ngl

[hybrid gazelle]

I am not sure if that would go through

it really depend if Azeal have intent to help other changeling

and are the changeling recoverable despite the indoctrination

[signal bough]

yeah probably

[nocturne stone]

Would you really trust them even if they told you they aren't supportive of the crown anymore

I wouldn't

[hybrid gazelle]

that why I said depend on how deep the indoctrination go

[steel gust]

To whomever wrote the ecology related parts of the lore in university library I love you

[hybrid gazelle]

it going to be long for them to be trustable

but sstill at the end of the day

they are abducted people who been indoctrinated to be a tool

[nocturne stone]

Honestly even if they aren't indoctrinated they don't seem very trustworthy

[full jackal]

well…

[nocturne stone]

All the "changing into other people" stuff and all

[full jackal]

its gonna take a long time to get over societal stigma

[hybrid gazelle]

Azeal prove that changelin can become an indivudal

[full jackal]

just look at racism irl

[signal bough]

we do see Azael and Croaquin(likely)

[nocturne stone]

Am I being irrationally bigoted against changelings

[signal bough]

yeah

[full jackal]

yes

[nocturne stone]

I suppose the changeling sovereign didn't cause a good impression but I'll try to put that aside

[signal bough]

consider the frog

[hybrid gazelle]

Azeal pretyt much prove that

Changeling can have their own identity

and be co exist in society

[nocturne stone]

He does seem to be quite the exception though, but maybe it's more a matter of them being brainwashed

[full jackal]

wait is Croaquin a changeling?

[nocturne stone]

I suppose Gikyo is just particularly repugnant

[signal bough]

he said he emerged out of tar and isnt sure the gender of who pulled him out of the tar

[hybrid gazelle]

He is an exception

becuase he is among hte first deployed

he likely did not reciveve equal amount of indoctrination like the changeling we have now

ever since Gikyo took charge

also Croaquin is also an example

of changeling not always be malicious by nature

[nocturne stone]

Thinking about it properly I believe you people are right that changelings are mostly victims of exploitation and abuse and thus can become trustworthy members of society if not indoctrinated by the crown

[full jackal]

Gikyo is awesome though

[signal bough]

You’d just need Azael to step up to the task of changeling wrangling

[full jackal]

Also i’m pretty sure they’re an enby

[nocturne stone]

That depends on what you mean with "awesome"

[hybrid gazelle]

also genera's order changeling also

not really that malicious at first glance?

more of its antic just

feel so fucking random

[full jackal]

they’re awesome in every way

[hybrid gazelle]

it not like outright malicious

just very disruptive

[nocturne stone]

Literally deranged

[full jackal]

he kicks mora and he f[[Confidential information about Hallowground]]cking explodes and dies XD

[nocturne stone]

(them, not you)

[signal bough]

Fuhue uses his

[full jackal]

oh okay

yea i know but thats azael not gikyo

[full jackal]

exactly, thats why gikyo is awesome

[nocturne stone]

Have you considered the damage they've done to the image of changelings

[full jackal]

if all changelings are like gikyo then i thinknchangelings are my favourite species in the game

[full jackal]

yea that sucked definetely

but uhh i don’t really care for how moral a character is

like c’mon vro is an absolute delight

Hahahahahah! Do you really think that is all it will take? Idiot idiot idiot IDIOT!! I cannot DIE dumbass, no no no no no!

actually such an entertaining fight

[full jackal]

yea compeltely agree

i think the way the crown has destroyed their image is just terrible

[untold warren]

I have concluded that the Province of Wynn has a total population of 1,567,981 creatures

I did something called bullshitting

[full jackal]

I mean if we’re making headcanons

then if we scale stuff up

cuz wynn map is a miniaturizes version of what it canpnically is

ragni has a population of 85,374

Emerald trail as a whole (including ragni) has 293,745

Maltic has 3,826

Katoa ranch has 48

Farmer’s valley as a whole has 78,927

Alekin village has 2,012

nivla woods as a whole has 6,836

Mt.Wynn has 1,844

Nemcract has 21,932

Nemcract swamp as a whole has 51,827

Ravines village has 164

pigman ravines has 411

Little wood has 981

Tempo town has 203

time valley has 209

Elkurn has 4,921

elkurn fields has 46,001

Detlas has 281,552

Detlas suburbs has 516,309

[fathom falcon]

I was gonna say even with bullshitting i feel like deltas would have more

[full jackal]

medieval towns does not have than high population

[fathom falcon]

Also 6k in woods feels like a lot

[full jackal]

xi’an (then called chang’an had like 400k max)

[fathom falcon]

The ecosystem could not possibly provide that many surely

[full jackal]

nivla woods is massive

a buncha tiny villages

[fathom falcon]

Oh yea looking at the map it’s massive

I always thought it was tiny ngl

Been ages since I walked through it

[full jackal]

its scaled to a more realistic size

as i was saying:

Corrupted plains has 28

roots of corruption has 13

(researchers)

Bremminglar has 498

savannah has 6,991

Bremmyn Hiera has 110

[unique jungle]

where are you getting these numbers from? guessing based on size? stated somewhere? counting npcs and scaling up?

[full jackal]

Ternavres has 4,090

[full jackal]

my ass

[unique jungle]

🔥

[full jackal]

And yes

yes

and yes

[fathom falcon]

Tern and brem having less than alekin feels wrong

[full jackal]

its sorta based on size and havitability

[full jackal]

also wait you play mindustry?

[full jackal]

vremminglar is just the home of some tribe

[unique jungle]

i did a bit

i think they reworked a bunch of stuff

[full jackal]

based

[unique jungle]

i was a touch cooked on one end

[full jackal]

i cannot get pas the first few levels X_C

[full jackal]

and i don’t see ternavres having that many people

alekin is on a major road

and attracts people from the rest of nivla

[fathom falcon]

Terns isn’t that far from the bazaar like city of Almuj tho

Like closer to it than deltas would be

[unique jungle]

ternaves seems relatively majorish

[full jackal]

yea but like ternavres has horses and thats it

[unique jungle]

yeah the stables

[fathom falcon]

I feel like horses are a hot commodity

[full jackal]

true

[unique jungle]

its known for having stables
what is bremminglar known for? what does it produce?

[fathom falcon]

There’s that one secret potion cave iirc

[full jackal]

updated

[unique jungle]

or lusoco or maybe even nesaak tho thats kinda big of a city

[full jackal]

idk anyways

[fathom falcon]

Nessak I feel would be struggling more

Culture would rely on fishing a lot

[full jackal]

black road has like 15,022

[fathom falcon]

And imports

[full jackal]

Almuj has 97,918

Takan barracks has like 2,973

[unique jungle]

i can definitely see nesaak having a lot of fishing culture
even tourism if they clean up the place

yknow make there not be a bunch of wolves and bears and whatever in the woods

wynn version of alaska

[full jackal]

Desert as a whole has 129,972

[full jackal]

lusuco has a lot of tourism i think

rymek has 8,213

[unique jungle]

does have the weird christmas spot

[full jackal]

rymek mesa has 46,926

[fathom falcon]

They literally have a quest where the squid village people go they are overfishing

[full jackal]

all of the Desert and Mesa has 176,898

Nesaak has like 50,002

[fathom falcon]

I think like anything in a straight line from Ragni to almuj would be more populated . I would expect ancient nemract to be overrun with monsters

Honestly just considering dungeon placement should be slightly telling of where people avoid

Like I don’t see anyone living near spider burrow realistically

[full jackal]

all of Nesaak tundra has like 81,400

[full jackal]

yea thats why mt.wynn has like 1844

Even though its really big

i’d say lusuco has 1,291

all of lusuco canyon has 2,910

most of which are adventurers

on ToA

and twain lake has 188

because of WynnExcavation

So the Frozen lands as a whole has 84,498

oh and wynn plains has 1,019,254 as a whole

I mean it seems a bit small but also wynn is kinda small too

actually wait no shit

that is way too small

it should be closer to 10,000,000

aghhh

Okay look i’ll do it in google sheets and figure it out

okay look i’ll just do the provinces as a whole

Wynn has 13,937,110

including all sapient species

Gavel has 23,199,382

Corkus has 726,813

(not including the clankers)

and Fruma has 9,529,026

yea those numbers look way better

[brittle prism]

why so little?

[frozen turtle]

the homeless population must be at an all time high then

[full jackal]

cuz the corkians moved in only 150ish years ago

they’re not rabbits

[nocturne nimbus]

well they must be considering we only see like 10 of them in the discovery

[full jackal]

idk this is scaled up

there were probably more than ten

[brittle prism]

are you not including the birds

[full jackal]

also btw relos librarh discoverh contradicts an unexpected departure

[full jackal]

i am there are like 201,727

cuz it says that the rebels had no memory of fruma

but like in the discovery they clearly did

unless the library was lying

[full jackal]

wait u work for the cia??

whattt????

[nocturne nimbus]

🤫

[full jackal]

are u fr

cuz like i don’t think its very legal to impersonate a cia officer but okay

[signal bough]

my theory is that you had a pre-recruit program in which fruma exiled people to corkus until they switched to wynn

so John Corkus and his pals were the only people who did and they decided to cover up the info for whatever reason

[brittle prism]

https://youtu.be/T1tdt5-SUcI?si=oKrSLjktKkkrtGC2

Bloomi update confirmed?

definitely plays in the grand plains

[dim plover]

Someone needs to make a legitimate Bloomi map

Have every region be like, green or smth because it's funny

[brittle prism]

I should make the soundtrack of my shitpost bloomi and morgor

Who's the guy who made this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/262010576295821312/1245958946318188644/SPOILER_derncutscene.gif

[dim plover]

Me

[brittle prism]

huh

[dim plover]

Although it would be nice if you didn't use the piss old one

That still uses the pre-2.0 UI

Which kinda sucks when people keep using it

Like, use the new one man

[brittle prism]

what's the new one

[dim plover]

Search the gif's name on Discord search bar

You'll see the new one like instantly

How did you even find the old one
That takes more effort than finding the new one

Like, it's easier to find the new one how do people manage to accidentally only find the old one

[signal bough]

did you know: Nesaak is a taiga. Lusuco is a tundra

[brittle prism]

And Eproc is a colder tundra

[dim plover]

Anyways pls use the new one from now on thx

[brittle prism]

I saved it from someone who posted the old one 🤷‍♂️

[dim plover]

It's kinda mildly annoying when people post the old one because it's really inferior

[dim plover]

This I can't post it rn because I'm writing up something

[brittle prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/262010576295821312/1378956841802928199/derncutscene.gif

[signal bough]

should be an ice sheet

[brittle prism]

Maybe that's why Wynn never learned about Bloomi

They peeked over the mountains and just saw a sea of ice

[dim plover]

Anyways this could work

1st Region: Extremely Dense Jungle (Green)
2nd Region: Plantation With Fire Everywhere (The Fire Is Green)
3rd Region: Water Plants and Coral Underwater (They're All Green)
4th Region: Poisonous Plants (Also Green)
5th Region: Cave System, Full of Underground Plants (Dark Green)
6th Region: Wide Open Fields, Massive Trees Everywhere (Very Dark Green)
7th Region: Area With Trees So Dense That You Can Only Walk On Top Of The Leaves (Very Green)
8th Region: Giant Lilypads In The Sky (Light Green)
9th Region: Giant Roots In The Sky (Very Very Very Dark Green)
10th Region: Laboratory Full Of Plants (You Guessed It, Green)
11th Region: Definitely Not Wartorn Palace Raid Area (Dark Lime)
12th Region: Disneyland Castle (But Green)

Boom I just made up Bloomi I'm a genius hire me CT

13th Secret Region is Gerson's study but everything is Gerson-colored

(Green)

[brittle prism]

Bloomi better be everything but green

Before the portals opened bloomi was lush

And everything bloomed

But then the evil influence of peace made everything cold??

[dim plover]

If Bloomi was real it would be really funny if its thematical gimmick was like, a monochrome gothic hellscape or a smogified industrial metropolis that doesn't have a single plant within 100 blocks of the entire province

[brittle prism]

Morgor should be the most prosperous fertile land in wynncraft

[signal bough]

an emerald city, as a treat

[dim plover]

Was Morgor supposed to be based off of Mordor

[brittle prism]

Probably

[dim plover]

There are plants there but they're all lifeless and made out of emeralds

(You also walk there via a road that's completely yellow)

.
Anyways let's sit down here and conceptualize Bloomi it should be fun

Step 1: Add plant

Step 2: There is no Step 2 we just made Bloomi

[brittle prism]

🔥

[signal bough]

close enough! welcome back the feathers fly part 2

[drifting aurora]

the name does feel like its playing off of mordor yes

[dim plover]

Add a giant tower with an all-seeing eye at the top of Bloomi's mountain

(This isn't a reference to Lord of the Rings because it's actually a reference to Eldritch Outlook)

.
Off-topic but wow cubed fists like the Queen's are really hard to texture
I was going to just give the model individual fingers but didn't feel like rigging them

[frozen turtle]

is this bloomi?

[dim plover]

Oh I just realized that her skin is green too

Lmao

No it isn't Bloomi

It's not related to Wynncraft, actually

I'm just making a model for something external

I'm not even joking, like this legit isn't Bloomi-related

I only now realize that me saying Off-topic might have come off as a joke
No I'm genuinely off-topic rn

[signal bough]

I would like to see the CT tackle an emerald city ngl

but hmm

Aelumia is kinda

feels empty

[dim plover]

1. Take Llevigar
2. Replace all emerald blocks with gold and all green and dark green glass with yellow and orange glass
3. Replace all quartz with emerald blocks

Boom done

[signal bough]

it's too open

[frozen turtle]

squarey enough to be a Wynn Province

//replace quartz_block emerald_block

[dim plover]

Now it looks like I'm actually working on a Bloomi model

Bruh moment

Okay look here's part of the model itself
It's not for anything Wynncraft-related the character's skin is legit just green

[dim plover]

I wonder how much longer it'll take if they were to make Aelumia's buildings all have interiors

Assuming there's space behind the buildings for that

[signal bough]

it feels like the finishing touches havent been placed in it

[dim plover]

Maybe they don't have interiors because it's meant to be a wilderness region and having tight space interiors will give a lot of cheese spots

[signal bough]

there's blocks and enemies, but no player heads or armor stand things

[dim plover]

wdym

[supple walrus]

There’s prob a google doc with all the stuff on it with the people who are actually competent at this

[signal bough]

like it feels incomplete

also it's too hard for a 118/119 lvl region

[dim plover]

Maybe because I was a BMonk but the region's difficulty was challenging but seemed fine to me

Wow Fruma is going to be hell on Arcanist

I really want to switch to Riftwalker to try it out but Monster costs a fortune rn

[sick quest]

I would def like more Aelumia but I do love the concept of a city where everything is against you; 90% of it is caves; the one sanctuary is a tiny resistance base against an army

[sick quest]

Yeah I was an arcanist main who swapped to riftwalker for the gikyo fight and never looked back

[signal bough]

I'm fine with that

oh, rare friendly owl or fox clan members

[sick quest]

I still dont have a mythic wand bro 💀 (got some mythic boots)

[echo hamlet]

Is there any complete lore doc rn

[sick quest]

Someones working on one but dont think theyre done yet

[dim plover]

Assuming Warp Arcanist doesn't work out for me I wonder if I can borrow a Monster wand to try it out

I kinda don't want to splurge money on a new wand unless I'm sure it works for me

(Also Warp flight is kinda cool)

[frozen turtle]

I used monster and i found it good

rest of my build wasn’t that optimised tho

[dim plover]

This thing has seven joints and there are four of them
Attempting to animate this model is going to be hell

[neat oriole]

i ran warpcanist for the entirety of fruma

it's not too bad

but normal arcanist prob would get wiped

[dim plover]

Alright

That sounds good

Wait is it with like a macro or

Because macros might be really difficult for non-flying playstyles

[neat oriole]

yea i ran macros

[split night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1135348779877404869/1402455625816084580/1277048160359026770.gif

i made more ana and grace interaction

[dim plover]

How does one use macros on non-flying playstyles

Do you just not strafe left and right or smth

I kinda use all four WASD keys constantly in battle because I need to keep on repositioning myself (Arcanist is finicky, needs a lot of aiming)

[hybrid gazelle]

almost done with Wynn timeline

[neat oriole]

binds all on my 🖱️

[dim plover]

The scrollwheel?

There’s 4 spells how do you assign that all to the mouse

[slim belfry]

people using mice with more than 2 buttons

[dim plover]

I have 3, counting the scrollwheel

[slim belfry]

ok more than 3

[dim plover]

Is the gimmick mice something that people just have lying around

[slim belfry]

idk I dont use one

[mossy badge]

No way blud doesn't have atleast 2 side buttons 🙏

[jovial ember]

would the sovereighns be able to beat tna or the canyon colossus?

[mossy badge]

Maybe sure

[slim belfry]

probably yeah

[radiant dune]

Yeah i think i found it.
It seems whats written is just the same as whats translated next to it

[mossy badge]

#1489836179665981621

[spring kernel]

Some of them

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think Zhiraok can do anything against TCC

but Soosu might

so as Majin

IDk wtf Gikyo gonan do 😭

Gikyo turn into giant sword and jab TCC's in the face

[spring kernel]

Soosu can probably atomize it

[hybrid gazelle]

Two use her mirrow to smash TCC's head in

[slim belfry]

I

well that's one way to use it

[hybrid gazelle]

Two but what if she slam someone with her mirror in order for her power to work

like imagine in Ensemble of Hope, Two just fucking grab the mirror and swing it at you

[slim belfry]

wonder how much time can zhiraok even deal with

[hybrid gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/ez-get-tf-out-cat-kratos-god-of-war-gif-4827313512397508571

[nocturne stone]

Yeah that's why I asked what you meant, I agree Gykio is a very good character despite them being deranged

[split night]

you guys bind your spell to your mouse??
i just bind them on mah keyboard

[neat oriole]

i have mouse with many buttons

not like

20

uhhh only like 6

[neat oriole]

ye i got the buttons to do so and frees up movement

[full jackal]

If I actually got used to binding spells on my keyboard i would die so much less

I cannot tell you how many times I play shaman and I try to use movement spells

And cast Uproot instead of Totem

Because I held down RClick for too long

[neat oriole]

when i used to manual cast i clicked instead of holding for better consistency

[hybrid gazelle]

wynn timeline is finish forw artorn project