📚lore_discussion

[split night]

It was there when I first join Wynn
which is like 2 month ago i guess

xd

the new cave are the one near a new mountain like region and half moon island

[main dust]

You've climbed up quick - I only joined the server a yearish ago but I started talking like, two weeks ago.
Been in Wynncraft since.... somewhere between Corkus and Gavel being added, 2015-2016

[hybrid gazelle]

I remember it used to be uhh

dark cultist gathering

with weird enderr dragon head guy

[split night]

I'm just a bit talkative I guess

xd

[full jackal]

only two months???

[split night]

yeah, i learn things quick

[full jackal]

i joined wynn when i was literally 9

which granted isn’t much

[split night]

I mean if we're talking LITERALLY the first time join but didn't play then about 3 years ago

I just join and woaw it was cool and then leave and never touch the game again

xd

[full jackal]

like i think i joined after 1.20 and right before 2.0

[split night]

I only really count 2 months ago as like, my ACTUAL first time join because I joined discord when I finished SE, which is not too long

I have vivid memories of how to do most of the secret discoveries and recent lores so it's nice

[main dust]

Man I wish I had that experience.

I'm waiting to start my second ever character in Wynn once my husband joins and I don't want to do all the early discoveries on my 119 Paladin man

Toooooo muuuuuuuch

I wish I came in today, so much stuff to do with a lot of reason to other than completing.

[split night]

I think just do a new char and do everything, Cave, Secret and Quest in Content Progress Order is good enough
I plan to do that every year to keep my memories fresh and have myself update on early game changes

I mean I have the patience to do this, im not sure if anyone does

xd

[full jackal]

when i start a new character i pretty much do everything except for secret discoveries

[split night]

Secret discoveries are fun

I like them

they're like quest without guides

[main dust]

Tbh I'd need to be high to complete the lower level stuff like mini-quests

I'm going into Acolyte Shaman or Trapper Archer next so I'm really excited - I've been on the same class for ages.
There's nothing I've done more in Wynn than stare at the online map though, I used to just always have a tab open and used it as a screensaver - I like geography.

[split night]

which is worst than doing a quest but since I have been in Stardew Valley, and minecraft modpacks, I'm pretty used to doing quest and secret discovery and open up wikis

[full jackal]

i will never figure out SDs on my own

i will literally just use wiki and go theough all of them

[split night]

yeah xd
I do my content book chronologically so i know the existent of SDs pretty early on and just do it anyway

because I plan to 100% the game

I'm a perfectionist

[full jackal]

me too T_T

but like i think in a house divided

it was actually kinda genius to have the swears censored with the torn out pages

[split night]

when will we get a Fuck out of them

and who would be the first to say it

[full jackal]

i hope sui will say the first one

[split night]

boat that would be so hilarious 😭

[full jackal]

you know like how itd be funny if ralsei or noelle were the first one to drop a hard swear in deltarune

[split night]

"KRIS WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU OPENING A DARK FOUTAIN"

[full jackal]

What would dark fountains look like in wynn though

like would that dark be related to saph

like is dernworld basically a dark world

what if you opened a dark world jn the RoCorrup

[split night]

WynnSwap have something like this really

swap bak al design

[full jackal]

bakal is swapped with lari right?

[split night]

yeah

[full jackal]

makes sense

[split night]

don't look at Saphanis too much, it's an old design

xd

[full jackal]

saphanis kinda sounds like sapphic

[split night]

Saphanis is dern beast canon name xd

[full jackal]

ik but it does sound lke the greeo poet sappho though

where do you think dern’s realm is anyways

[split night]

I have her updated design here

[full jackal]

is it just the silent expanse

[split night]

neaty

[full jackal]

Who swaps with Anath

[split night]

The giant portal in front of the drug dealer quest

[split night]

Anathema swap with herself
I mean that she is a happier version of herself here since she is a reflection of Light and Dark unity and "love"

she also have a different name for her realm beast form and her shell form

also Freedom eyes yes

[full jackal]

Wait what’s the lore behind Saphanis and Orphion’s relationship in this AU

Are they like lovers or smth

And if yes then how does the plot happen

[split night]

Not in a traditional sense xd

they are god

their love is PURELY because they want to be bigger, stronger
It's more that the question of What if Light and Dark was bored of their own realm and want to experience something new

So they met and find each other interesting and with that the reflection form and become the Realm of Unity

both Saphanis and Lux Beast find this discovery so beautiful, so grand and so much greater than them that they want to maintain and grow it

[full jackal]

Ohhh okay

[split night]

they want both realm to become one to be greater than ever

yet it all change when the discovery of the Phyiscal Realm come

#1495805797274484736 my hub

also it's a bit more complicated than just simple swap btw xd
Eulogia is in Sui's role ( and is named Grace )
while Sui, Mora, Syndra, Zeph and Rex are in Her's Majesty's role and named themselves the Elemental Potentate Countil

[full jackal]

Wait I never realised that

Sui Mora Sandra Zeph and Rex match up with the Elements

WAIT NO I CALLED SYNDRA “SANDRA” 💀

[split night]

I just kinda give them elements base on their personality and fighting style so they are not really that match up I think xd

but hey whatever suit you

[tulip grove]

Is the player somthing more then just a random fruma recruite?

[split night]

did you finish the Wartorn Palace raid

[tulip grove]

no, just finished the apthosis quest

[split night]

we are having a lot of "player's Character is a realm beast" theory floating around because at the end of the raid Anathema said that we are a familiar Spark while she referring to herself as a spark

but it's up to you since player's Character is up to interpretation

[tulip grove]

Realm beast like she and orphius is?

[full jackal]

*Orphion

Yes

I’ve actually never heard of that before, sounds interesting

[tulip grove]

is their any suggestion that their is other realms, becuase we know who the light and war is which only leaves dark

[split night]

RoL4 Guardian of the Forest did mention there are other realms

Light, War and Dark are the one with the most influence in the physical plane

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/tree-gif-26852519

[full jackal]

If I see that Mothafriggin tree again I’m gonna burn it like the Amazon

It’s called GLOBAL WARMING mf

But uhhh actually

I’ve kinda been working on some writing (related to Wynncraft)

But It’s takin me wayyy too long to start

And my laptop suddenly breaking doesn’t help

[hybrid gazelle]

I think I am okay with paladin redeisgn now

[full jackal]

Woahhh

What’s that

[hybrid gazelle]

Golem

[full jackal]

XD we’re really bad at keeping on topic aren’t we

So cool thou

Though

Honestly the reason why I use this Channel instead of general is because I just don’t like interacting with the wider community

[split night]

#🌎wynncraft have everything in here like, we have #❓questions , #🗿class_builds and other stuffs

#📚lore_discussion is more fun becuase we usually have lore people and sometime #your_work

[silk venture]

Why do people not hate tasim after the fruma questline? Bro neither of the people we came to wynn with are our friends

Like these guys suck

[split night]

If that's a question then it's because they are my friends and I have feelings

otherwise it's up to you to hate them if you feel like it

and beside, Aledar was a great friend until the end, what is there to not like about him? xd

[silk venture]

Aledar was going to sacrifice us to open a door

Not really friend material

[dim sky]

they changed that

I think now the idea is that they were planning on sacrificing… someone?? idk

don’t think the wiki’s updated

[split night]

Not really, the context of this quest is more about what if the 4th soldier was someone else random
and beside it'd be WEIRD as hell if that's the case because he invited Tasim to be the 4th, not us

Point is, Aledar and the rest didn't plan about sacrificing anyone else up to that point

[dim sky]

wait yeah I just realized he does say the 4th… was that always the case? Did they ever change it?

[split night]

postraid dialog

near Aledar grave in the leave in the wind auburn base

[dim sky]

yeah right I forgot

[silk venture]

Before he tells us to sacrifice him he tells us he was planning on sacrificing us but seeing how we are in one piece the other two died and he's already on deaths door he asks us to kill him

[dim sky]

so they just didn’t have a plan for that?

[full jackal]

Okay I just spent the last hour and a half trying to redraw western wynn plains

[dim sky]

yeah I think this was the old version

[split night]

It wouldn't make any sense if he were planning to sacrificing on the 4th because Tasim was the choosen one

[silk venture]

Is that post dungeon revamp?

[split night]

Im pretty sure they just don't plan on it, it's evil as hell

[full jackal]

Scale is in the picture

[silk venture]

Bc I did the quest a long time ago

[split night]

before Fruma update justa few day i think

[dim sky]

fair but like don’t they know they’ll have to do it at some point?

[silk venture]

So it was changed in the fruma update?

[split night]

Aledar himself mention that Alphaba and Lucio might be offering themselve if not him

[mossy badge]

Lucio? lol

[split night]

😔

[dim sky]

Oh wow this is cool, I can see this as like an ingame map someone drew

[mossy badge]

Aledar and elphie at most

[split night]

Lucio would probably chicken out yeah, I think Aledar think too highly of everyone

[silk venture]

Well im a boomer so from doing the quests the old way fuck them both

Tasim for trusting the queen over his "friend"

[split night]

I-
sure I guess??
I'm just here to say that it make no logical sense for the prior assumption

[silk venture]

What an asshole wouldn't hear us out took the queen's side and cut Rex in half

Then he wants to talk

[mossy badge]

lol

[full jackal]

Thanks lmao, I honestly just traced the wynntils map and changed a few things up

[split night]

The thing is, we only see the first route of the game
we still have to wait for the alt route

the trailer is basically what would happen alternatively
I imagine we DEFINITELY would join Her's Majesty knowing the motive and the goal

[full jackal]

Like the castle on the peninsula became a fort and there’s another fort where one of the watchmen tower used to be

[split night]

saving the world is a big return for such a small cost

[full jackal]

Honestly HER MAJESTY though cruel and selfish, in the end was a force for good

[split night]

she's dead, and now we have to deal with the consequence of that

xd

[wooden ridge]

was i just not paying enough attention or does ||Anathema|| ever explain why they outlawed magic / was a terrible ruler in general?

[marble lantern]

Majin did, 2nd part idk

[wooden ridge]

i assume in overture?

[mossy badge]

Thats just how she is

[dim sky]

She explains a bit in postraid dialogue

[marble lantern]

pretty sure

[wooden ridge]

L + ratio + skill issue i guess

[dim sky]

She held Fruma very dear and gave literally anything to keep it under her control is the overarching answer I think but there’s a little nuance

[split night]

Post raid dialog but also the thing is like
She's a god, she's LITERALLY detach from human feelings
yet when she discover those feelings, Fruma was basically heaven to her
she hold it dear to her heart and want to keep everything the way it is as she see 800 years ago

[silk venture]

Thats not a good answer tho. Saying wait till they rewrite the whole thing doesn't change what we experienced right now

[marble lantern]

You can get a lot of info out of her post-raid

[split night]

not rewrite, alt route

xd

[wooden ridge]

i think theres a certain irony that a being that hated the other two realms of influences for their apathy of the world's beauty was also uncaring towards her own subject themself

[full jackal]

Okay well like there

‘S a lotta nuance here

[marble lantern]

aka ||The Route where we probably fuck up Tasim's ascension||

[silk venture]

Pretty much a rewrite

[full jackal]

First of all, HER MAJESTY as a ruler, f[[CURSED PROPAGANDA]]CKING SUCKS

[dim sky]

Yeah this is a neat perspective, even though she loved the province she had a certain level of uncaring for human life (||ahem, flooding Auburn||)

[split night]

...no??
it's us telling Tasim about Aledar early on

[silk venture]

Other way

[full jackal]

Okay? She outlaws magic for everyone except people she chooses

She drowns Auburn

[split night]

are the 54 endings in Undertale a rewrite of one story

[full jackal]

Tries to do it again

[silk venture]

They are

[full jackal]

Creates the rough works (absolute dystopia)

[split night]

define rewrite

[marble lantern]

Yeah, and iirc Ascension is a taxing process that needs little distractions as mentioned in the final Roughworks questline bit

[silk venture]

Also apples to oranges putting us as the sovereign in the alt route is a major story shift

[full jackal]

Allows project Hallowground (grooming changelings into being spies)

[wooden ridge]

you'd think she'd grow some level of empathy / understanding (even if she herself couldn't experience it) but oh well i guess

[full jackal]

And is overall terrible. But…

She’s also a balancing force in the war

And is stopping the Realm Beasts from killing each other

[split night]

No...?
I literally said it was a hypothetical that we would join her's majesty if we knew the motive and the goal

[full jackal]

So technically she’s actually saving the world (net positive)

[split night]

NOT that it is in the alt route

[mossy badge]

What is she even doing for that i honestly forgot

[full jackal]

SO like from a utilitarian standpoint she’s definitely a good person

[silk venture]

Ah dang thats such a good idea tho

[full jackal]

Assured mutual destruction

[silk venture]

Its like when you get to play as Barny in hl2

[full jackal]

IF they restart the war she’ll do a bunch of damage

[wooden ridge]

shes supposed to be like the end all be all of destruction i think?

[split night]

she existed in PURE pain and agony EONs before Fruma
800 years is a little short for god huh? xd

but I do wish she grow empathy

[mossy badge]

What does it matter for the beasts lol

[marble lantern]

tbh I think we, The Player, are nearing that assurance as well. Seeing as we essentially killed a Realm Beast.

[wooden ridge]

wait im confused about the timeline how long ago did she gain conciousness and how long after did she come to fruma?

[full jackal]

But, if you mean how good she is to the core (like not consequentialist, just in terms of intentions) she’s definitely selfish, treats Fruma as her possession (and not as a place where millions of people presumably live) and is a tyrannical dictator

[split night]

Before the discovery of the Physical Realm
so we don't know, it could be thousands, millions or billions years

[full jackal]

She clearly cares a lot for Fruma

But she doesn’t see why its citizens matter

[wooden ridge]

lmao old habits die hard i guess

[full jackal]

I guess to a SUPREME BEING like her you don’t really think of regular people like her

Like she probably views them as simply numbers

[split night]

she didn't rule anything before Fruma 😭
she just suffer in the realm

[full jackal]

And she doesn’t really care for any of them

Except for Bak’al and Two

She took over Fruma in about 200 AP

Beginning the Royal Age (RA)

Fruma goes from RA to KA to NA to IA (I think)

[wooden ridge]

i suppose it probably takes a little longer than a millenia to get the hang of ruling after millions / billions of years of torture

[full jackal]

KA begins with the construction of Aelumnia University

[split night]

Nuances yeah

[full jackal]

NA begins with flooding Auburn

IA begins with Soosu taking over

[split night]

She's evil antihero that have a good goal with bad method

that's her basically

[full jackal]

I don’t blame HER MAJESTY for being like this tbh

When you’re literally the embodiment of destruction its kinda hard to be a good ruler

She could’ve been a whole lot worse

The fact that she had vaguely good intentions at all is shocking by itself

[split night]

Hey she did a good job at least, nothing outside of Fruma has been able to penetrate into Fruma except for us

[wooden ridge]

good intentions motivated by selfish desires but yeah true

[full jackal]

Like she views Fruma as her plaything

[split night]

Good intend, Selfish desire, greater good goal, bad method 😭

she's a flip flop kind of complex charater

[full jackal]

Also Bak’al breaking up with her must’ve been pretty rough

Bak’al ended up defecting to THE DERN SQUAD

[split night]

I think she treat her scions like her children really

[wooden ridge]

what losing bak'al does to a mf

[full jackal]

I mean tbf Bak

Bak’al is a cornball

[split night]

Bak'al is in the fraudlist for now

[full jackal]

Bro thinks he’s cool X_X

[wooden ridge]

truly the conception to first scion to tyrannical dictator pipeline

[split night]

we don't know how strong he actually is compare to us

[full jackal]

I could absolutely solo him

If I can beat Bob reincarnate I can beat him

[split night]

he's scion level of strong but we can definitely beat him

[full jackal]

Since bob completely kicked his ass

[mossy badge]

We can beat every1 bro 😭 🙏

Thats not a comparison

[full jackal]

I mean parasite at Lv.79 isn’t that bad

[marble lantern]

we killed his former boss and part of his current boss. I think he's 100% on the fraud list

[full jackal]

We could easily beat Dern’s scion (without level scaling) at our power so why not Bak’al?

[silk venture]

Is there anyone we can't beat im not convinced now

[full jackal]

Tbf

Anathema was weakened because she shared her power with the Sovereigns

[split night]

😭
we need to lose at least one fight that make sense in the lore to shut everyone up about us being an unstoppable force

otherwise the fact that we keep winning every fight in universe canonically is hilarious

[full jackal]

So like she isn’t actually full power

And it takes 4 PEOPLE to take her down

[mossy badge]

Krolton solos 🔥

[silk venture]

True you'd think we be well known as well by this point

[mossy badge]

🗣️

[split night]

Zeph, Sui and Tasim 💀

[full jackal]

So actually we’re more at 1/6 her power

[full jackal]

They don’t actually appear in the raid

[split night]

Genuinely how much did Zeph contribute to the fight against Anathema

😭

[split night]

canonically did

[full jackal]

Well they don’t do anything

[marble lantern]

I like equating the Player (and other mercenaries like us cuz Multiplayer is fun) as a steadily growing Wildfire, like she uses to describe the Fruma Recruit program.

[split night]

they did do something at least canonically
they also must have corruption within them btw

[silk venture]

Like it makes no sense the grp that goes to fruma doesn't like overreact to our present. Hero of wynn, gavel, corkus

[full jackal]

Look if the other players are stand-ins for them

Then…

[marble lantern]

Sparks that will most often fizzle out, but some grow and grow until nothing can stop the blaze

[mossy badge]

wat

[full jackal]

Okay assuming that Gikyo’s fight was actually an accurate display of their full power

[silk venture]

Like everyone still treats us as a regular solider seems really odd

[full jackal]

If we put the player at like a base of 100

[split night]

we beaten a giant stone thing as well
im not sure if it is actually solo or 4 people canonically but like
a fucking colossus, that's an achievement

[split night]

p*werscaling

[full jackal]

Then Sui is like a 124, Zeph is a 52, Rex is like 59, Mora is a 46 (oh wait…)

[full jackal]

I swear dude I don’t actually do any of that shi

[split night]

Sui is NOT stronger than us 😭

[silk venture]

Exactly like everywhere we go we solve everything except fruma is kinda messy which is a nice switch up

[full jackal]

(I use dude as a gender neutral term)

[split night]

you don't have to clarify that it's alright xd

[full jackal]

At least I admit all these numbers are just bullcrap I pulled out of my ass

[split night]

yeah i agree with that completely

[full jackal]

p*werscalers are people who don’t admit that it’s all bullcrap

And that strength is actually really hard to measure

[split night]

Sui ain't stronger than a soldier that has been trained for a year or 2

[full jackal]

Yea but like she one-shot constables

Wait actually Yuman and Zeph one-shot constables too

How did they do that???

[split night]

okay now we're just comparing cutscene to actual gameplay

[full jackal]

Yea but like still though

[split night]

literally impossible to know whether or not we can one shot the constables in cutscene
we literally beat Her's Majesty solo in cutscene so it mean that we're MUCH stronger than the rest of them

[full jackal]

… true

[silk venture]

Isn't sui special bc she can draw out magic without a weapon?

[full jackal]

But actually I didn’t beat HER MAJESTY solo some boltslinger guy ended up joining mid-way and made it much easier

[silk venture]

Only like a handful of people we see in lore can do that

[full jackal]

Sui is probably like almost as strong as us

[silk venture]

Or at least has the potential

[full jackal]

Not AS strong, but still pretty overpowered

[split night]

She can use magic without a focus yeah but that doesn't make her any stronger than a trained soldier
it's just the way they do

we don't even KNOW what we are, we don't know if we need a focus, or if we are a manaweaver or we can use magic without a focus

so it's hard to compare us to Sui in term of mana drain

[full jackal]

How do we even use the ability tree anyways

[silk venture]

The game says I can't cast spells without my weapon in hand

[full jackal]

Like we just press buttons?

How do we even get the ability points?

What even are ability points?

Why do we just have the ability tree?

WHAT EVEN IS LEVELLING UP CANONICALLY ANYWAYS?

HOW CAN THEY SEE MY LEVEL?

[split night]

I mean if taking gameplay to account then the fact that we can cast spell in an insane rate while we regen mana 200/5s is fucking insane 😭

[mossy badge]

Its called experience

Zeph gaining all that experience in 2 weeks smh

[full jackal]

I think people are underrating Aquarius imo

[split night]

That's... literally just the manifestation of experience and practice, also archetype and class aren't canon as well

[full jackal]

Aquarius can literally give +60 Mana regen

You know how good that is???

[mossy badge]

Surely classes are

Its just a classification of abilities u use

[split night]

we CANONT compare gameplay to lore BOATDAMN it

[split night]

yeah sure iguess

[mossy badge]

I mean if a game is good, gameplay could be canon

[split night]

like fuckass we can cast 20 spell per second while Sui can only make ice in 5 second

[full jackal]

Yea

[split night]

it's hilarious

[full jackal]

Well actually Sui pretty much 5 shot Gikyo’s

[mossy badge]

Ice uses 200 mana

[full jackal]

Well tbf we already beat him up a lot

But he wasn’t actually taking the fight too seriously at all

[silk venture]

Yeah but the make it a point in quests and dialog so it has to be important

[full jackal]

Like that was some overpowered stuff

[split night]

after we beat them after 5 transformations 😭

[silk venture]

Casting without a focus is a big deal I think

[full jackal]

Gikyo didn’t seem that concerned

[main nacelle]

does anyone know what kind of black magic did the inspector applied on Elise, she looks 80 after only 24 years timeskip ( she was like at her 20s or 30s before )

[full jackal]

But tbf he’s Gikyo

[full jackal]

ROUGHWORK SMOG

[split night]

It IS a big deal, it's just doesn't mean they are stronger than us 😭
Doguns can cast spell without a focus, they still lose to the dwarf

[silk venture]

I just said it means she's got really high potential

[main nacelle]

also, Elise keeps calling the other person " her " , are they sisters, or les. ?

[split night]

okay sure

[full jackal]

It’s ||SYNDRA||

[split night]

😭

[silk venture]

Also true didn't think about doguns

[full jackal]

They’re ||LESBIAN||

*SPOILERS BTW

[main nacelle]

dang

[split night]

||Elise and Syndra ARE IN A LESBIAN relation ship, her is Syndra||

[mossy badge]

Did bro get spoiled

[full jackal]

WHY WOULD YOU BE HERE WITHOUT COMPLETING MISSING PIECE MISSING PIECE WAS SO GOOD

[split night]

im pretty sure if they don't want to get spoiled, they wouldn't came here

[full jackal]

Dude

Mf

[split night]

GO PLAY FRUMA FOR GOOD AND STOP BEING HERE

[full jackal]

You came here

Without finishing missing piece

[main nacelle]

Poor Mora

[full jackal]

WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT

MISSING PIECE IS SO GOOD

[main nacelle]

bro died for absolutely nothing

[full jackal]

GET OUT OF HERE NOW AND FINISH THE GAME

[mossy badge]

I mean some ppl dont care for spoilers

[full jackal]

IT IS REALLY GOOD

[full jackal]

Then they’re missing out

On so much

[silk venture]

Why are you in here without beating fruma this is spoiler city

[mossy badge]

Are they

[split night]

Her's Majesty is actually bob transition into a girl and rule over Fruma

[full jackal]

YES

[main nacelle]

should i take her to fight the queen to revenge for syndra :))? ( hope she doesn't pass away midfight )

[full jackal]

MAJIN IS ACTUALLY GAY AND IS DATING ZHIRAOK

[split night]

you have to bury her

[full jackal]

NOOOOOO

DON’T TELL HIM

[split night]

she passed away

[full jackal]

OR THEM

OR HER IDK

[main nacelle]

ugh..

[split night]

i gave up, they came here for spoiler, here's the spoiler

[full jackal]

GODDAMNIT

[main nacelle]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[full jackal]

WHY WOULD YOU SPOIL THE BEST OMENT

*MOMENT

[mossy badge]

_ _ lol

[full jackal]

Goddamnit

[main nacelle]

did she died bcause i spam tp while carrying here :((????

[full jackal]

Congratulations you got spoiled on the saddest part of the game

[split night]

it's the consequence of their actions this is spoiler city dude read the room

[mossy badge]

It must been the wind

[split night]

like literally

xd

[full jackal]

I KNOW BUT STILL

Like the game peaked there nil

*ngl

[mossy badge]

So u say she dying the best moment? 🔥

[full jackal]

Apostheosis was good but Missing Piece is the best by far

[full jackal]

NO LIKE I ALMOST CRIED

UNIRONICALLY

[split night]

It's near deltarune level of reveal

[heavy vigil]

Pixelrift
Where do I find the diary pages 1 and 3 for the strong survive?
I think you know

[mossy badge]

I do 1s

[heavy vigil]

Thank you
I don't wanna risk going to far to the point I can't go back for them

[main nacelle]

dang it, they won't even let me at least close the door for her

[heavy vigil]

Is why I'm asking at this point

[mossy badge]

I fucking fucked up the hard mode by going too far 🔥

[full jackal]

https://youtu.be/MJE21c--duY?si=t25JvwApk3liuiqE

[heavy vigil]

Please just
There's not a note during night 1
Please

[full jackal]

I cannot express

HOW MUCH PAIN I AM IN

[mossy badge]

-10753 130 5261, -10801 128 5316

[heavy vigil]

Im night 2 rn
Gotta wake up arnol

[mossy badge]

Nah ur good

[heavy vigil]

Thanks man

Oh thank god

[split night]

you're like flowey rn

xd

[full jackal]

YES I AM IN SO MUCH PAIN

[heavy vigil]

Pixel i aleready gotta make another archef
Get it to lvl 104
Get halfway through the "return to fruma quest"
For a missed quest item

Pixel, did u grab the weapon in the cave
When we go back tutorial road

[full jackal]

BECAUSE SOMEONE CHOSE TO SPOIL THEMSELF 5 MINUTES BEFORE THE EMOTIONAL CLIMAX OF THE FILM

That’s like going back in time

And you’re about to kill Adolf Hitler

[mossy badge]

Well ye but i tried using it on my mage (1st playthrough) :D

I have relik and dagger tho

[full jackal]

And then suddenly you trip and fall on a banana peel and die

[split night]

what a great metaphor of your pain

[full jackal]

1 minute before you’re about to succeed

[split night]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-explosion-explodes-cat-explodes-gif-10131775219258044191

is this you

xd

[full jackal]

And Everyone in this server watches as you fail to kill adolf hitler

[heavy vigil]

Sob i used it too
Time to go find a diary
Thanks for the help

[main nacelle]

the fact that hitler only died by suicide in his bunker prove that you can't kill him tho , it's a paradox

[split night]

don't extend on a fricking metaphor

😭

[full jackal]

Yea I know its like a metaphor

[hasty beacon]

You can get him to kill himself which is like the same thing

[mossy badge]

Nah bro he's still alive on the moon 🤯

[split night]

it just lead to nowhere if it becoem an actual discussion because it's a fricking metaphor

[full jackal]

Don’t think about it too hard it’s really bad for you

If there’s a better metaphor

[hasty beacon]

Even when hes untouchable its still possible to kill him

[heavy vigil]

@mossy badge i feel like a dumbass for not finding 3
1, I thought the door was closed

[full jackal]

That’s like you’re about to get married

And you’re at the wedding altar

[mossy badge]

Send a screenshot

[full jackal]

And then they ask you to take your vows

And then right before you open your mouth

[main nacelle]

well, another item to my collection of quest items

[full jackal]

An atomic bomb drops on you because it’s Nagasaki 1945

[heavy vigil]

3 was ||storage room|| 1 was the ||stage where majin gave a speech, side door||

[mossy badge]

Seems small lowk

[heavy vigil]

I have 3 pages of quest rewards
Sob

[mossy badge]

I have all the soda, its like 1 full page 🔥

[heavy vigil]

Wow

[full jackal]

What soda?

[main nacelle]

3 mroe quest and i'm done , :((

[mossy badge]

From the vending machines around fruma (mostly roughworks + highlands)

[main nacelle]

we have soda in wynn ??

oh

[split night]

how did you even missed the soda thing in the train quest

xd

oh you maybe just didn't interact with the npc

[main nacelle]

yeah, i was using tiktok while waiting for the train

[mossy badge]

🔥

[split night]

😭

attention span of a cat

[full jackal]

You could’ve just sat on the bench at pass the 10 minutes immediately

[full jackal]

Wait have you done Apostheosis?

[main nacelle]

yeah

[split night]

tiktok is just essential to their gameplay

😭

[full jackal]

HOW DO YOU GET TO 119 WITHOUT SIDE QUESTS?

Wait did you do all the non-Fruma quests

[main nacelle]

batcave and custom xpbonus armor set

[split night]

they watch tiktok in the train quest what do you think

[full jackal]

I actually had to do random secret discoveries so many times to even get close to 120

I mean like…

[mossy badge]

Even if u do all content, some levels just dont get enough xp

[full jackal]

Shouldn’t you do every single NPC interaction to squeeze the game of all of its content

[split night]

I just do quest and when i don't see quest i powerlevel to get the next quest and do that quest
it's like just do quest and everything then powerlevel and do quest again and repeat

it's a funny gameplay but at least i finish the entire Fruma in 21 hours without break, like binge a fucking tv series because i was dying

[full jackal]

My build is just really bad for level grinding

[mossy badge]

U dont need to do shit batcave grinding

A few WEs are enough

[full jackal]

So I just looked up the wiki for secret discoveries

[full jackal]

BORING

BORING

Also my build has like 38k EHP so World Events are really hard

[split night]

you're a little insane, go to your dm and find me rn

[main nacelle]

i would love to do it tho, unfortunately, the suppored language is only english

[full jackal]

Like I do 200k DPS even with Absolution Tank build

[mossy badge]

Fire pot doubles it

[full jackal]

…what??

[full jackal]

What’s fire pot

[mossy badge]

Defence pot

[split night]

i send underswap thing, check it out it's very cool

[full jackal]

Ohh okay

[main nacelle]

if only we have a language update to support more languages

[mossy badge]

Never happening

[full jackal]

Maybe try using wynntils

I think there might be translations there

[mossy badge]

Google translate

🥀

[split night]

i mean someone made a russian translation mod

xd

[rustic nexus]

fuuuuuuhhhh

us showing up reminded her of caid...

and why she's in auburn in the first place

[split night]

everything just make sense retrospectively

[rustic nexus]

yup

fruma rocks

it's so good

although I would've loved more friction specifically because of us being from wynn and reentering fruma

like we almost get that by telling rurie we're from wynn

but it's just one dialogue change before the quest continues as usual

[burnt robin]

DUDE

THE STRONG SURVIVE

CHANGES

BASED ON WHETHER U COMPLETED APOTHEOSIS

WTF

[mossy badge]

Damn

Thats crazy

[uneven basin]

the implications are fucking insane 😭

[burnt robin]

dude finally theres no weird sequence breaks

[uneven basin]

does that mean that the military holds control of fruma after we depose the queen ? That there's still a draft and that being a soldier is still something to strive for ? How is this institutionstill standing there's a giant crack in the sky

[mossy badge]

Two telling me what i did NOT do to the parasite 😂

[vestal rivet]

dang

their boss is dead and yet somehow he STILL called them into work

[split night]

another lost soul

[vestal rivet]

<@&268142859327242242> shoot them

[mossy badge]

Cmon man we back to the 'beast

Where's kai cenat, where's some diversity

[rugged trench]

Really?

I never knew that

What changes?

[mossy badge]

Prolly just the speech releated dialogues

[uneven basin]

mister beast from the realm of scams

[split night]

Realm of Scam with Mr. Beast being its Realm Beast

[young dock]

The fruman military doesnt sleep 🙏🙏🙏🙏

Gotta train rain or shine

Cosmos or no cosmos

[uneven basin]

you mean queen or no queen

[young dock]

Facts

[hot timber]

what football team would lari support

[icy juniper]

can I get a hint on how to get the secret discovery in the sky islands that's just 10 question marks?

[formal bridge]

It's related to one of the boss altars

[regal spire]

There’s an island down below that’s not like the others

[icy juniper]

the altar isn't sending me to the fight even with the wybel fluff

are you not allowed to retry it? I died to it once

[mossy badge]

Do u have 8?

[icy juniper]

yeah

[mossy badge]

/class /lobby

[icy juniper]

tried that already

nothing seems to activate it even with the 8 wybel fluff

[drifting aurora]

why he blond

[drifting aurora]

outlawing magic is a form of control. ensure the people have less power to oppose you

[whole river]

I mean why wouldn’t they be though?

There’s still three amenable sovereigns with the reins

and uh…oru

Kinda funny though cuz the recruit you meet there finds purpose but the apocalypse already passes so…he’d probably just go back into boot camp lol

[hybrid gazelle]

Oru just operating slave camp for the fun and game

[warm flicker]

"Realm Beast is my father's name, you can call me Mr. Beast"

[silk venture]

Mist or beast

[compact agate]

the names beast, mist or beast

[ashen relic]

"TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO BE ATTACHING THIS TEN MILLION DOLLAR PARASITE TO THIS CONTESTANT AND SEEING HOW LONG HE CAN SURVIVE!"

[shy hemlock]

holy shit the missing piece hits hard

[young dock]

Right?

[main dust]

Right?

[mossy badge]

Left

[main dust]

That shit has me sipping cocoa in silence for two hours

[shy hemlock]

I dont get why ||Elise dies in the end tho||

[mossy badge]

Why not 😭 🙏

[young dock]

Last of her life energy remembering what once was

[shy hemlock]

its too bad the quest cant be connected with the roughworks one

[mossy badge]

Remembering that shit, she prolly was like that ^

[young dock]

She was on fumes

[main dust]

Ah - I can answer that, it's more a result of the idea of broken hearts/weights being lifted - I've seen people die a day after finally having a comfortable day, it's a bit like that.
She reached the conclusion of something that she's had bugging her mind for most of her life.

It's one of those things that doesn't make sense but is a real thing

[mossy badge]

Heart attack

[shy hemlock]

i guess she finally joined syndra

[young dock]

That last section of the song playing when you complete the quest and it’s just silent p

That hurt

[shy hemlock]

Wish there was an option to find and bury Syndra’s corpse next to Elise if you did the quest before Apotheosis

unless queen fucking destroyed the body

[young dock]

https://tenor.com/view/turles-piccolo-gif-24678501

What the queen did

[shy hemlock]

She just beheaded her though?

Also i know queen is a she but is ||”Anathema”||a she or is it beyond gender

like, is Orphion a she or a he or is it genderless

[mossy badge]

Orphion is referred as male, anathema female

[shy hemlock]

Hm

considering orphion X dern beast, saphanis is probably male too

because wynn loves gay!

[young dock]

Wynn does

[mossy badge]

Salted doesn't tho 🔥

And i'd imagine saphanis as female anyway

[shy hemlock]

is tasim X aledar canon or just implied and left for interperation

[young dock]

I never got that vibe

[mossy badge]

Implied ig

[young dock]

Interesting

[mossy badge]

Me neither

[shy hemlock]

There is an optional dialouge with the group at the beginning of Queen’s Recruit in the Ragni castle and someone asks Tasim if he is into guys and he gets uncomfortable or smth

[mossy badge]

Linton the gay detector 🗣️

[shy hemlock]

and he seems a little obsessed with aledar? Idk, considering how Aledar got into his life and their whole thing was just being carried in the same wagon I doubt it is just friendship

[eternal arch]

liff leaf leaderboard?

[shy hemlock]

a simple friendship feels weird unless they were together in their gavel adventures but Tasim is in Gavel when Aledar is in the AJB gang

[mossy badge]

If no1 says they're over 2k, im #1

[shy hemlock]

so that cant be it

[eternal arch]

AJ Brown?

[young dock]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-plankton-gif-14118231

[mossy badge]

Ragni ball aint from 🇺🇸 ✌️

[young dock]

Wynns greatest cultural export

[regal spire]

Saphanis—I believe—doesn’t assign itself a gender

I think they’re gonna go the “amorphous, shapeshifting monster of symbols, sigils, eyes, and darkness” route

Changeling 2.0, but without the perfect replication

[winged narwhal]

I like to think that it’s just Tasim crushing on Aledar

[regal spire]

From the fact that Aledar was basically perfectly okay with taking him on a journey that could very well end up with one of them sacrificing themselves, I don’t think Aledar was ever going to be a proper love interest

Tasim wishing to be with Aledar seems like a one sided scenario. Even if Aledar loved Tasim, I don’t think it could ever work out, purely because of Aledar’s innate need to fight

[mossy widget]

considering that aledar constantly spoke highly of tasim to his friends so much so that mel, lanu and linton were shocked to see him after all the mentions of him, i think it was probably mutual

[tiny topaz]

isn’t that what made linton ask if tasim is fruity

[mossy widget]

and the fact that linton asks him if he likes dudes on the topic of aledar LOL

yeah

[regal spire]

I’m gonna be honest, I see this kind of story, because I’ve had the kind of love with friends that leads you to constantly talking about them, or wanting to be around them, and it’s perfectly platonic. One side can be incredibly passionate, but keep the love as familial. And, if I’m being honest, I’ve gone out of my way to find romantic love for that same person, who was trying to get over the fact that they knew I wouldn’t love them like that, which is how I saw both the Linton remark, and the way Aledar loved Tasim.

[tiny topaz]

|| when aledar invites tasim for a ajb is he planning to sacrifice him? ||

[shut mist]

Ofc

That was their whole plan

To sacrifice their fourth

[mossy widget]

no

they changed it now

[slender copper]

The dialog for ajb and ajf have been edited to make it so that it is not the case anymore.

[shut mist]

Wait fr ?

[mossy widget]

they didnt want to sacrifice the fourth

[slender copper]

Yep!

[mossy widget]

aledar and elphaba were willing to sacrifice themselves

[tiny topaz]

i was thinking cuz that would make aledar’s letter to tasim so cruel

[slender copper]

That's probably the reason why they changed the dialog lol

[tiny topaz]

wait so if this changed was player still the sacrifice?

[mossy widget]

no

[regal spire]

Lucio is now

[mossy widget]

aledar never intended that

neither did elphaba

[regal spire]

Actually, no, they never intended to sac Lucio, because they never thought he would make it

[tiny topaz]

so they didn’t know they needed a sacrifice or what was the plan suppose to be for eo?

[shut mist]

They knew

[mossy widget]

new dialogue

[shut mist]

The new dialogue states

They would choose

[slender copper]

Who was going to be the sacrifice was never in mind, however... as @mossy widget said, two were willing.

[shut mist]

When they get there

[slender copper]

What do you mean "choose"?

[shut mist]

Well

They would decide

Who sacrifices themselves

[regal spire]

Should’ve changed it to “we were hoping Lucio wouldn’t die immediately”

[shut mist]

It does make aledars sacrifice more painfull

[tiny topaz]

wait oops wrong ss

what was he talking about

[mossy widget]

something they would be leaving behind

[shut mist]

Elphaba

[tiny topaz]

OH

[mossy widget]

ya

[tiny topaz]

does he mean tasim or am i just yaoi brain rotting

[shut mist]

We dont know

[mossy widget]

accept the yaoi brainrot he totally meant tasim

[regal spire]

Ik id be leaving behind my bestest of friend (or lover), if I sac’d myself

[mossy widget]

like bro

tell me this isnt gay as hell

https://tenor.com/view/rat-gif-3417245934051922481

[shut mist]

Rip the soldier that was in love with elphaba

I learned of his dialogue after AJF

[tiny topaz]

might as well just ask him for his hand in marriage

[mossy widget]

lit rally

[edgy loom]

genuinely where is the alternative path where you tell tasim the truth

[shut mist]

Not out yet

[regal spire]

There is a not 0% chance it changes the story

In an actually noticeable way, not just with dialogue

Tasim’s crash out might not happen 👹

[paper wyvern]

nobody I would rather have sacrifice me to an Eldritch abomination

[vestal rivet]

given that it isn't out yet
I think there's a good chances it's going to be some wierd route style stuff lol

[paper wyvern]

It's only dialogue changes

[regal spire]

“Hey, Player, Ik the Queen’s origin has taken a bit of a “weird route” rn, but you gotta listen to me”

Cannot wait for Sui to start casting spells she doesn’t know

She freezes Zeph 😭

[edgy loom]

I remember hearing that the CT wasn't happy that people had hyped up the alt path to be more than just dialogue changes or smth along those lines

[paper wyvern]

And I honestly see him acting more committed on the tell him route

[edgy loom]

so they might actually be working on it to change it up more

[regal spire]

I’m hopeful that the next major patch (2.2.1) should drop it

[edgy loom]

"yo tasim I killed your homeboy"
10 quests later all of fruma is dead

[vestal rivet]

oh

wonder what's taking it so long then???

[paper wyvern]

Honestly as much as I'm hoping for the tell him changes I'm more hoping they go back and bring music to some scenes that really need it

[vestal rivet]

I think the silence suits it

[regal spire]

Who’d be the Suzie, is the real question

[vestal rivet]

let's be honest
it's the player
Kris is a wierdo role-wise in DR

[paper wyvern]

Big areas are the fight in echoes of change, dam fight in ensemble of hope, and apotheosis ending

[regal spire]

They need some ambient sounds, if they intend to keep the silence. It’s way too quiet rn, for stuff like Echoes of Change (or Ensemble of Hope or whatever quest Synny croaks)

[paper wyvern]

Biggest criticism of fruma storytelling. YOU CANT JUST MENTION A MELODY AND THEN NOT HAVE IT PLAYING

[regal spire]

Were Kris, yeah, but who’s our Suzie

[edgy loom]

maybe rex?

[vestal rivet]

the player takes on suzie's roll better than any of the leaves do

[paper wyvern]

You don't even have to change it that much just have the motif of what the melody is in the music for that scene

[regal spire]

Rexsplode

[vestal rivet]

I said that Kris is in a weird position role-wise, not that the player is the Kris

[regal spire]

Ralsei is Zeph, obvi

[edgy loom]

now I actually want the alt path to straight up just be the weird route

and this all somehow starts from telling tasim aledar died

[regal spire]

Given our character rn, the closest thing we have to a character in DR is Kris. We don’t really offer any of the traits Suzie offers, beyond being the main character

[vestal rivet]

Tasim just makes a disaster almost immediately lol
that or it makes Tasim out of it and lets us get chosen instead

[edgy loom]

wait what if tasim is our noelle

[regal spire]

Wouldn’t it be funnier if it started at RtP

[vestal rivet]

Sovereign Sunbreak

[regal spire]

Or The Mercenary

[edgy loom]

hell have it start from king's recruit

[paper wyvern]

Ok but technically we already have the start from the beta

[edgy loom]

and you have to do some crazy sequence break to start it

[vestal rivet]

kinda
but its only the first couple lines lol

[edgy loom]

tbf it's most likely gonna get changed

[regal spire]

Have to use borrowed AP to movement spell up to a house in the tutorial

“The forbidden path began with Wardrobe Wonders”

[edgy loom]

😭

[paper wyvern]

It's the path to new VIP town (no Bak'al allowed)

[drifting aurora]

post-release burnout 👍

[vestal rivet]

dang

well

ig it won't take as long as I thought it would at least

[drifting aurora]

<@&268142859327242242>

[candid fox]

bots taking a minute

[regal spire]

Who’s this moderator guy

Why do they always wanna see mister beast

[paper wyvern]

It's clearly agents of saphanis and moderator is an agent of orphion like eih

[regal spire]

Mr. Dern Beast

(I miss when DB was their name…)

Should’ve named them Debbie instead of Saphanis

[vestal rivet]

it's always the mist or beast messages...

[regal spire]

Mistwood Beasts

[warm adder]

what does the resonance weaver do

i havent finished all the fruma quests yet

does it tell you somewhere in there

[split night]

A tool that let you manipulate reality

simple as that

[split night]

main story line quest does tell you what it do, just keep playing

[warm adder]

alr

[full jackal]

Rex is susie then ig

and Sui is noelle probably

[icy juniper]

does Majin just pull out a domain expansion for the fight

[whole river]

More like a noble phantasm reality marble

[icy juniper]

well before the transportation he says something about his domain

"Welcome to my domain of the starry night, dear guest! Quite the stunning view, is it not?"

he even gave his domain expansion a name

[ruby plover]

who the hell is noelle

[regal spire]

French for No Hell

[slender copper]

They are talking about Deltarune.

[icy juniper]

do you think Majin saw our ult and thought "Wynn's sorcery is quite advanced" and copied it to create his domain

[gloomy idol]

@warm adder

[warm adder]

@gloomy idol

I do not think the majin fight in apotheosis will be very fun on warp

[warm flicker]

question for u lot, when did the airship line from detlas to cinfras get established? Trying to figure out when airships were invented as well

[weary sigil]

ok i was scrolling through old pins... holy hell you were on to something

dude almost accidentally uncovered a ton of fruma lore back in august 2025

[dark sorrel]

is the player a child or an adult?

[whole river]

Why would you think they were a child when tasim and aledar aren’t

[cerulean osprey]

adult considering we are a soldier

[weary sigil]

even if it acts like one p sure canonically it's an adult

[tropic locust]

why the hell would the player character be a child?

[tropic locust]

I think if the watsonian player acts like a child it's to match how doylist players behave

[daring cloak]

o yea i remember rambling about this

trust me

doomsday weapon is IN wastelands

[burnt robin]

AAAA

LET US TELL HIM

EEEEEEEEE

guys who wins

majin or garoth

[tropic locust]

why did neither of them go insane from the cosmic magic

[burnt robin]

ok tbh

garoth's arena has more aura

[hybrid gazelle]

Pretty sure olm can just use it without going insane

Idk why

But they can just do that

[burnt robin]

also they need to add post quest interactions

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t even know if Garoth is weaker than Majin or not

[burnt robin]

for ALL of the ppl

in queen's recruit

[hybrid gazelle]

But consider how he defeat early on

[burnt robin]

picard, reynold, etc.

[hybrid gazelle]

It kinda hard to say

[burnt robin]

and add an interaction for caid as well

[tropic locust]

actually how many known instances are there of people going insane from the cosmic magic?

[warm flicker]

i just assumed the meteors made people insane, not the cosmos themself

[tropic locust]

yeah that actually makes sense

[hybrid gazelle]

Well Majin kinda prove thst you do go insane after long exposure

He become more eccentric and literally talk mad shit out of his mind during the fight

He literally

Stab his own chest

[warm flicker]

lmao i thought that was just majin being majin

[hybrid gazelle]

Majin is highly egoistic yes

[burnt robin]

i dont think he went INSANE per se

like

the way

other ppl did

[hybrid gazelle]

But you never see him this eccentric

[burnt robin]

like we seen in gylia watch and sh

its mroe so he just got completel drunk on power

[hybrid gazelle]

He literally talk like he js mad as he spilling random shit around

Before he finally pop

[burnt robin]

and tried to absorb too much he can handle

garoth tho...

this fraud has no exqz for being this weak

actually what even is the powerscaling in this

cause on one hand

we go the light and dark

and the queen

but then we also ahve the cosmos?????

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t think anyone can handle cosmic magic

[burnt robin]

then we also have death's realm itself

[hybrid gazelle]

It’s drawing power from cosmo

It’s infinite

You pretty much tap into infinity

He talk about how he want strong opponent to venture the cosmo

[tropic locust]

wdym tho we literally see people handle cosmic magic

[burnt robin]

not forever

[mossy widget]

When ?

[hybrid gazelle]

I leave exception o Olm

[mossy widget]

they all eventually go insane iirc

[burnt robin]

imagine it like an e^t curve

[hybrid gazelle]

Garoth is like

Only few

[burnt robin]

the longer you spend

[mossy widget]

freak garoth bro

[burnt robin]

the larger the magnitude of the curve

[hybrid gazelle]

Tbh yoh could say Garoth is insane too

[burnt robin]

but also the more dangerous and steeper it is

[tropic locust]

maybe forever if majin didn't take too much

[hybrid gazelle]

Because the man genuinely think living in stasis is better fare than death

[burnt robin]

you could say e^kt

where k is a constant >0 that represents ones power

[hybrid gazelle]

He will always gojng to take too much

His ego combined with insanity

Will result in this

[burnt robin]

the higher that persons power is the lower the k value is

[hybrid gazelle]

It’s doomed fate

[tropic locust]

thats has nothing to do with the nature of cosmic magic

[burnt robin]

it kind of does tbh

hold on

[tropic locust]

how come

[burnt robin]

lemme pull up majins library

iirc theres something in there

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t think Garoth is normal because like

This man

Genuinely think living in stasis

In his own sanctum

Is a way to live

I don’t think he okay

[tropic locust]

they are all slightly crazy but none of them are straight up lobotomised like yahya

[warm flicker]

garoth wouldve told us when the olm collapsed but he was too petty when we destroyed everything, alas that info is lost to time

[burnt robin]

ok so basically it doesnt make him more insane

but its like

hes basically affected b similar circumstance

[icy juniper]

speaking of garoth, the old timelost sanctum had dinosaurs, but it was decannonized bc creepers were core to the dungeon, do you know if dinosaurs exist or were also erased with that change?

[tropic locust]

why did we destroy tls again? i forgot

[burnt robin]

because its like an exponential temptation

[warm flicker]

because we can

[burnt robin]

cause why not :p

[hybrid gazelle]

Mistwood

[burnt robin]

(theres no in lore reason we just break in and become a homewrecker)

[warm flicker]

this is true about sandswept tomb as well

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like

Cosmic magic is shortcut to be manaweaver

But come with great risk

But idk

They both draw power from infinite source

[burnt robin]

for that at least we have a reason?

i forgot

[hybrid gazelle]

It just cosmic magic draw power from the cosmic

[burnt robin]

there was a quest

[hybrid gazelle]

While manaweaver draw power from raging ocean rhat Sui mention

[icy juniper]

have manaweavers been mentioned prior to fruma btw?

[hybrid gazelle]

Nope

This is the first

[warm flicker]

sent by junes to investigate the tomb

[hybrid gazelle]

Sui is first instance of manaweaver

[warm flicker]

were basically tombrobbers

[icy juniper]

okay I was kinda confused when they mentioned it like it was normal

[burnt robin]

my hc is that the weave is basically just the overall essence of everything, and that people are born with innate affinities to certain parts of it

[icy juniper]

of a human one, right?

[burnt robin]

that affinity can be stronger or weaker

depending on the species and person

and certain parts of it can entail things such as cosmic power, elemental power, etc.

[icy juniper]

they said specifically that a human manaweaver hasn't existed in a long time but that implies other species have manaweavers

[tropic locust]

I think there are 3 distinct types of powers that could all fall under the blanket of magic: influences (light/darkness/war), runes/elements/mana/the stuff the physical plane is made out of, and the cosmic magic

[icy juniper]

"But you... an unexpected variable, though not unwelcome. A naturally-born manaweaver! I thought I'd never see the day." I guess I'm wrong

so mana weavers can exist that weren't "naturally-born"

[burnt robin]

this implies there are artificial ones

hmmm

could the resonance weaver have something to do with it

or similar tech

[tropic locust]

no, resonance weaver was just to give a body to anathema

[burnt robin]

similar tech tho

hm

[tropic locust]

yes, runes in general

[icy juniper]

that wouldn't make sense bc that wasn't made yet so can't have made one beforehand

[burnt robin]

yea i specifically said similar technologies

the weave in general seems pretty interesting

[tropic locust]

what exactly is a similar technology. yeah, we know it utilises runes but thats a pretty broad technology

[icy juniper]

I mean the only advanced civilizations on that level would be like wybels, the cow guy, and fruma off the top of my head and idk why any of those would make that

[burnt robin]

ohright runes are in fruma

which is really interesting actually

cause runes were involved in the creation of the forgery, ancients, olmic technology, etc.

[tropic locust]

olms and the ancient gavelian civ also had runes

[burnt robin]

in fact tol is specifically called the olmic rune

and i wonder why you need a rune

to enter raids

[drifting aurora]

avos had some runes too

[burnt robin]

yep

[drifting aurora]

i think you can chalk this up to a gameplay contrivance

[burnt robin]

fair enough

also whats with the golden avia feathers

[icy juniper]

time travel

[burnt robin]

and why are they used in uth shrines in GAVEL (aldorei)

hmm in any form

i wonder if these runes were the result of divergent evolution of technologies

where they spread across the world in one form and eventually through geographical isolation

they turned into different forms

[hybrid gazelle]

so far i guess??

I mean IDK they probably can retcon some other character to be manaweaver

[burnt robin]

but it could also be that runes are just a result of convergent evolution of technologies?

[hybrid gazelle]

actually Qira COULD be manaweaver she got like

the whole seamstress vibe going on with the spider

[tropic locust]

I remember there was this theory that avos colonised gavel and that's what those ocean platforms were for

[hybrid gazelle]

so maybe

like just maybe

IDFK

I would not mind if Qira is manaweaver because she got the whole elemental string to begin with

[warm flicker]

more interesting than having the avos stuck on their island for thousands of years

[burnt robin]

its really interesting cause one of the fruman secret discos

the library

specifically delves into nii az tol uth ek

the runes

in fact has anyone translated that shi?

theres sm of it

i swear

icl

so that means that fruma had acces to all 5 runes?

even more evidenced by that strange room

[formal bridge]

Qira teaching Sui how to Gaslight, Gatekeep, Girlboss

[burnt robin]

to the left of the wtp npc

[hybrid gazelle]

Sui already learn Gatekeep, Gaslight, and Girlboss from Her Majesty

she does not need another

[drifting aurora]

we at some point wanted to replace this with a diff item in gavel

but in terms of gameplay its annoying

so we didnt

[icy juniper]

nah they didn't specify human, just Naturally-born so your cosmic magic theory could be right

plus because Two knew Majin so maybe thats how she found out about manaweavers

[hybrid gazelle]

oh I though you mean Sui is the first manaweaver human so far

because like I dont know other spieces so I dont fucking know lol

[hybrid gazelle]

can we have wynncraft merch where they make runes into cookies

and they have different favor

like Ek got lemonade or banana flavor

[icy juniper]

well I misremembered the dialogue and thought Two said that Sui was the first human manaweaver in a while so it was based off a misunderstanding lol

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah no

IDK we just know little of manaweaver

[icy juniper]

the wiki page for anathema states Two as her scion is this backed by anything?

[hybrid gazelle]

the fact that

she call Tasim fellow scion

and also soverigns as a whole are anathema's scion

the term soverigns can be use "interchangably" with scion

because they both blessed by the queen

aka have her mark on them

[icy juniper]

oh okay it just didn't mention any of the other soverigns as her scions

was wondering if she was special in any way because she's the only one who's face we don't see

[regal spire]

Ek is clearly marmalade-filled

[hybrid gazelle]

I think thisis better than my previous iteration LOL

[warm adder]

er idk if im being dumb but what does the hand thingy represent

[hybrid gazelle]

Her Majesty

it represent War

[warm adder]

oh

[hybrid gazelle]

it reach out to the world

[snow kiln]

Beuh why can't peeps finish the game before asking lore questions