📚lore_discussion

[muted crypt]

bc if they did that would defeat the purpose

[summer bluff]

? They were a fox and not even a head fox

[hybrid gazelle]

Probably hold attachment

[signal bough]

forgor

[hybrid gazelle]

I do believe even for someone lien a Gikyo

[solid ibex]

he does his job well enough, and like unless they stumble into his area, i dont think they'll bother him a lot

[vestal rivet]

Gikyo calls themselvse an it
they/them comes from other characters referring to Gikyo

[signal bough]

wait they weren't the head?

[drifting aurora]

boy fruma sure is gonna be in a state of chaos after the questline huh

[solid ibex]

Majin mentioned that he wouldnt cross Gikyo on a bad day or somewhere along those lines

[muted crypt]

fruma is gone bro

orphion and saphanis prob jumped on that shit instantly

[solid ibex]

Fruma turns into Man Province

[bold geode]

you of all people should know

[muted crypt]

I doubt theyll have time to even consider a leader

[hybrid gazelle]

They hold some empathy or at least compassion toward their own kind if you interprept croquin’s dialogue in certain way

[atomic hamlet]

What if, shockingly, letting existing nobility perpetuate rulership after the revolution expressly done to correct systems of class disparity is actually bad

[regal spire]

It’s interesting, though. Adds another layer to the changeling program, and how Gikyo trains them. If they weren’t given the choice at identity, why would Gikyo offer the same to the soldiers they train? Seems so many changelings yearn for identity, now, and some of them try to take places just for the chance at finding a name

[hybrid gazelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1015394899497058304/1500358954855960727/Fruma_Queen_Smol.gif

[muted crypt]

he scares the shit out of them is the truthful answer

[regal spire]

https://tenor.com/view/jake-peralta-squinting-read-trying-to-read-brooklyn-nine-nine-gif-13387080

[vestal rivet]

never said he had to use the old system
the old nobility's followers thought of the sovereigns as chosens, and would take Zhiraok telling them to shut up and help rebuild and to not rebel against the rebellion better than anyone else

[solid ibex]

fair

[bold geode]

highlands people might not like it if we go "look guys! here's your new rulership, they will fight for equality and drastically lower the quality of your overly convenient lives to give the roughworks people any sort of liveable environment!"

[muted crypt]

Im so pissed we didnt see more Gikyo

[solid ibex]

the question is can he easily transform into the sovereigns and have their power

[muted crypt]

waste of prob the most interesting sovereign

[hybrid gazelle]

Also

[bold geode]

for sure

[mossy badge]

real

[regal spire]

But all the highlands people went “you know what? LET RIOT!”

[hybrid gazelle]

Remember the chart

[mossy badge]

If only mistwoods were bigger 🙏

[drifting aurora]

gikyo's hard to use in the storyline because they are truly so effective

[atomic hamlet]

Legitimately the only answer is crushing the nobility

[bold geode]

weak of the mind, all

[muted crypt]

bc changeling. not a gay reference bro

[drifting aurora]

we'll probably backfill some additional cutscenes with them in quests later down the line

[mossy badge]

?

[solid ibex]

yeah i was surprised they immediately get slimed in the first quest they are introduced in

[vestal rivet]

this won't go over well no
a lot of the occupations in the Highlands are things like dye traders that don't have the most practical uses in a society right after a disaster

[regal spire]

Secret ??? Style quest that showcases Gikyo bathing in sludge

[mossy badge]

W ???

[drifting aurora]

if you physically introduce gikyo in a quest you need to deal with them by the end of that quest

[regal spire]

CT for hire, anyone?

[muted crypt]

gikyo isnt trans or anything. theyre referenced as “they” just bc they can change forms

[solid ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1490018575162020042/1495472403910754516/Video_Project_10.gif

[hybrid gazelle]

They are in fact non binary

[atomic hamlet]

The French Revolution for example didn’t fail due to the Jacobins, it failed because Napoleon catered to the existing aristocracy to a degree where there was effective immediate backsliding that restored the old systems of government

[signal bough]

Would Sui use Gikyo's preferred pronouns in that scene?

[vestal rivet]

still interesting to me that Gikyo being called they/them is done exclusively by promotion material and other characters
while Gikyo themselves calls themself an it

[hybrid gazelle]

Everyone in fruma is woke

[drifting aurora]

...yes??

[regal spire]

“Gikyo? …
you’re purple”

[bold geode]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1321197754466173060/1406692002678181909/grrrrr.gif

[muted crypt]

gikyo’s preferred pronouns are “it” lmao

[solid ibex]

Ire

[bold geode]

let us have more gikyo please

[muted crypt]

they call themself “it”

[hybrid gazelle]

Sui is dark woke befause she would kill political figure but still correctly refer to their prefer pronoun

[signal bough]

I just don't get how she even knows Gikyo goes by they/them 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

Everyone in fruma is woke

How is this hard to understand

[chilly tulip]

Sui is an inclusive terrorist

[vestal rivet]

Gikyo does just look like some dude lol
a really lanky tall dude

idk how anyone got they/them just by looking

[atomic hamlet]

Even more a major reason why there’s still massive degrees of racism and poverty gaps in the South nowadays is because we quit Reconstruction too early and let former slaveowners find ways to approximate the old plantation system

[signal bough]

we need an earlier Gikyo appearance where they say 'Hi my name is Gikyo and my pronouns are they/them' 😊

[mossy badge]

Unrealistic dialogue smh

[muted crypt]

this how gikyo talked in the secret discovery

wtf was bro saying

[ashen salmon]

the south needs 10000 more years of reconstruction

[bold geode]

I don't really get changelings. Gikyo seems wicked smart but at the same time doesn't seem to understand human speech patterns despite again training other changelings(?) to speak in a somewhat convincingly human fashion, if only basic phrases

[vestal rivet]

he does kinda do this in True Colors
"You can call it Gikyo." - Gikyo after revealing himself, being one of the first lines after having done so

[muted crypt]

they understand theyre just nuts lmao

[bold geode]

TRUE

[muted crypt]

gikyo CAN talk normally, as we see in the past

[regal spire]

Sui doesn’t see them as human, regardless, because they aren’t. Gikky’s slime, and can be whatever they want. Unfortunately, they don’t see themselves as anything but a tool, so why would they attach humanity to themselves and choose any pronoun. Better to go with “it”.

[muted crypt]

in the secret discovery gikyo has basically ai generated dialogue

[uneven basin]

ppl just have an innate sense of who uses what pronouns cause it's fantasy and we don't want to see the characters do pronoun circles

[ashen salmon]

but other people do attach humanity to gikyo by calling it “they”

[bold geode]

lmao I need to look at that

[vestal rivet]

dangit I used the wrong term even here lol

[hybrid gazelle]

Majin even respect Gikyo’s pronoun

[atomic hamlet]

The Highlands literally need dismantling or else it’s going to basically be the exact same as it was before once noble houses accumulate enough wealth to start seizing hard power

[chilly tulip]

There’s actually a rule in Fruma that if you say someone’s pronouns wrong, you instantly die. No exceptions for mistakes, thems the rules. Applies to the Queen too, it’s da rules

[hybrid gazelle]

Truly

[ashen salmon]

i mean majin is the gayest man like ever

[muted crypt]

yea u see how they acted before they lost it. def a big difference

[regal spire]

They’s the rules*

[vestal rivet]

that's because Gikyo freaks even Majin out

[hybrid gazelle]

They outfreak Majin

[bold geode]

this is the biggest plot hole ever btw because majin will do anything to disrespect someone. after what he fucking did to gale

[muted crypt]

the idea of gikyo in real life is horrifying. same way we think about skinwalkers

[solid ibex]

gahdamn

[regal spire]

No apple?

[vestal rivet]

Gikyo knows that Majin can only effectively scold Zhiraok and maybe Soosu lol

[hybrid gazelle]

What if Gikyo and Majin actually date each other but it actually kinda fucked ip because Gikyo would only appear as Majin in their date

[vestal rivet]

anyone else and he gets bit back

[bold geode]

condemn trashie to the infirmary

[hybrid gazelle]

So it like Majin x Majin

[vestal rivet]

Raphael situation

[atomic hamlet]

Anyways my point is that attempting to appease Highlands nobility through means that don’t give them any actual tangible benefits will do absolutely nothing but make it worse

[hybrid gazelle]

This is only valid shipb

[signal bough]

no selfcest in #📚lore_discussion

[regal spire]

There is a not 0% chance Majin asked the Queen for a changeling concubine that looked like himself

[chilly tulip]

Yeah, Majin definitely has a room full of mirrors

[icy juniper]

just to be clear, the quest were we talk with death was decannonized right? The realm of death isn't cannon I assume?

[vestal rivet]

you have to appeal to them or their trained soldiers will get angy

[summer bluff]

Trashie do you ship majinkyo

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes

[vestal rivet]

they have the Wings, and the only real magic users inside the province

[hybrid gazelle]

I am the first who do it at to ally

[mossy badge]

Its canon

[hybrid gazelle]

I am the original

[icy juniper]

WILD

[atomic hamlet]

Getting Zhiraok to pacify them still does nothing though unless you let them retain their wealth and control over the peasantry

Historically aristocracy couldn’t care less about titles without tangible benefits

[summer bluff]

Cool how would you feel if you found out I shipped gikyo with someone even crazier than majin

[vestal rivet]

in terms of control they had no control
they just had wealth, although that wealth isn't doing them so much now

[hybrid gazelle]

Who is it

[atomic hamlet]

They absolutely had control, they have private armies

[hybrid gazelle]

This shit get serious

[vestal rivet]

a small handful of houses did
which is who I was talking about earlier
the general populace simply doesn't

[summer bluff]

||-# xima||

[icy juniper]

it is? I was told it wasn't but I'll trust your word on it haha

[hybrid gazelle]

Holy shit

[signal bough]

boring!

[hybrid gazelle]

Xima has no character rn so I find it hard to ship them

[signal bough]

yeah exactly

[summer bluff]

It's gotten bad

[uneven basin]

all we know is he was an asshole 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

Question if Gikyo and Majin make out, would Gikyo’s goop get stuck in his teeth

Like

[summer bluff]

Me and one other made up a guy from what little we could figure out and then halluconated the rest

[regal spire]

Xima’s hat is more than enough character

[hybrid gazelle]

Would what be like eating changeling or not

[icy juniper]

what about the person in gikyo's flashback though?

[hybrid gazelle]

Because is not the purple goop is like extension of changeling body

[signal bough]

I think we should kill you

[atomic hamlet]

Then it doesn’t matter if a very small percentage of Fruman residents who are more than wealthy enough to subside lose direct status

[hybrid gazelle]

I literally have full contact with wynncraft shipping genius

I can ask them about tjis

[summer bluff]

Changeling goop is tar so

[hybrid gazelle]

I should habe tell them to draw Gikyo x Majin for my birthday aftually

Fuck

[vestal rivet]

basically
the houses of the Highlands pose an issue
as do a lot of the survivors in Aelumia
the rest of the Highlands is too incompetent in actually controlling stuff that they should be a nonissue
the Mistwoods probably don't have much in the way of dissenters left even before the questline started, it's just Fort Hegea
Auburn would probably be pretty receptive to the new rule
Roughworks people won't care unless conditions approve outside of a few fanatics

[atomic hamlet]

The post-Fruman democratically elected government should immediately seize Highlands property and revoke access by private entities to military possessions

[icy juniper]

I assume its like mystique from X-Men where they have regular flesh under but can change their body shape

[hybrid gazelle]

Grape flavor tar

[regal spire]

Nah, just the dinosaur flavored kind

[summer bluff]

I can't talk about ximakyo bc it's genuinely just
Insane

[atomic hamlet]

The Roughworks and Auburn would actually be incredibly sympathetic to a democratically elected government as they’ve literally lived under 1: a perpetual drought and 2: a literal dystopian working society

[vestal rivet]

well yeah

[signal bough]

when you said this my only conclusion was Rurie

[hybrid gazelle]

I could see xima x Gikyo vision

[vestal rivet]

that's why I said they wouldn't be issues

[summer bluff]

That too

[atomic hamlet]

The Mistwoods are basically an independent nation that wouldn’t do anything

[hybrid gazelle]

I see the vision

It just Majin rn is funny option

[atomic hamlet]

Yeah the Highlands are the only threat and should just be systematically dismantled

[vestal rivet]

yes I also said that the Mistwoods wouldn't pose a major threat either
well unless one of the clans tried expanding into either the Roughworks or the Highlands now that there's a power vacuum ig

[hybrid gazelle]

Zhiraok x Calculator that Soosu just invented

That a ship

[signal bough]

you literally have the Canopy, which has the leader of 3 of the most important clans giving their all to this attempt

[atomic hamlet]

The clans are mostly concerned with infighting from what it seems so far

[chilly tulip]

Do you think Soosu even realizes that she helped make a dystopian work society?

[vestal rivet]

Azael may be a uniting figure but he didn't unite everybody...

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t think she need another reason to kill herself

[whole river]

I feel like she doesn’t even care

[drifting aurora]

i think she is well aware

[summer bluff]

Oh yeah 100%

[signal bough]

Azael is even working on the post-revolution fruman govt with Quill

[whole river]

Just extreme apathy in her pain

[vestal rivet]

pretty easy to get an upper hand be stealing from the Roughworks for supplies
or the Highlands for equipment
or to get more territory and have to infight less

[summer bluff]

One thing is true
gikyo love a thalas

[vestal rivet]

now that I think about it
this may be a slight issue

[icy juniper]

I assume we don't know for sure what happens in the aftermath of beating the queen right? that was end of main storyline content for fruma as of now, and the fallout of the rule changing hasn't happened yet

[hybrid gazelle]

I wonder if Two can just smash people head in with her mirror

[icy juniper]

isn't it a portal

[vestal rivet]

both somehow I think

[hybrid gazelle]

Like she fucking summon it and immediately switch it

[chilly tulip]

That’s how she gets the shards, she was being very literal

[atomic hamlet]

Well the Mistwoods are a culturally hostile region partially because of 1: the crown doing nothing and somewhat exploiting them, and 2: changelings, many of which are practically hired by the crown to terrorize the region

[hybrid gazelle]

Two boss fight is her shanking you with mirror shard

[vestal rivet]

less hired more forced from birth but yes

[atomic hamlet]

With those two removed the only threat would be wildlife, which is probably not that big of a deal

[vestal rivet]

yeah I foresee some of the Clans trying to expand beyond the Mistwoods in this chaos

[whole river]

Wonder if Changelings can even integrate with society at large. They have like virtually no support within the new government

[summer bluff]

I was told to post this here

[hybrid gazelle]

I am so fucking bored, I gonna turn Two into Labubu now

[chilly tulip]

Wait a minute was the changeling in that Gavel quest Fruman espionage then? Are there more changeling spies in Wynn and Gavel governments?

[hybrid gazelle]

LaTwoTwo

[whole river]

Their champion was gikyo who helped shift his own people into spies lol

[hybrid gazelle]

Their

[atomic hamlet]

Changelings can definitely reintegrate, Azael is clear proof

[vestal rivet]

Some do try
Azael succeeded very well with it
the remainders will probably be cleaned up by the Canopy over time unless they just immediately start diffusing out to the Roughworks and Highlands

[atomic hamlet]

Nearly all such problems are just because of the crown trying to weaponize them

[vestal rivet]

I imagine that Changelings aren't so
person-like in behavior without the schooling at Fort Hegea

[atomic hamlet]

I think a legitimately massive problem, if it’s actually canon, is Silverbull arriving in Fruma after the province opened

[vestal rivet]

Silverbull is so jank in canon

iirc only the guild management thing is canon for Silverbull, the camps aren't

[atomic hamlet]

Beyond the suspiciously imperialist look it’s not even doing anything in terms of contributions to the GDP or investment in physical capital, it’s literally hiring private looters with weapons of mass destruction to rob Fruman homes

[regal spire]

Wastelands should, hopefully, showcase what they’re base instincts are like more

[atomic hamlet]

The camps are canon actually

[vestal rivet]

I heard they weren't?

[atomic hamlet]

Deusphage referred to them being canon

Maybe lootrunning isn’t

[vestal rivet]

the raid NPCs can't be canon though
like they just straight up can't

[hybrid gazelle]

Silver bull upscale

[atomic hamlet]

I don’t think them being in raids is, yeah

[regal spire]

Sure they can

[chilly tulip]

Capitalism can’t be contained

[hybrid gazelle]

Beast of capitalism strike again

[regal spire]

If you think of the SBS being, like, a group of people who shadow you, in hopes of establishing better loot camps, or helping you raid any “raids” you find, then yeah

[vestal rivet]

giant bull (male cow) (hm)

[summer bluff]

I have a crackpot theory that the banshee stags are defected changelings who just live out in the forest now

[vestal rivet]

I think it's confirmed that they are the "alpha" of their packs

[regal spire]

Lari does say we need to find more peeps for NoL. Is it that unrealistic that Orphion is just kinda over it all, and just lets whoever we bring in help

The same for TCC, or WTP

[summer bluff]

The slaying post calls them "things"

[vestal rivet]

that's common slang though

[summer bluff]

Plus they kinda look like if a changeling turned into one of the deer

The other deer have moss on their antlers (if they have any) not flowers

[regal spire]

Alpha Male’s adorn their antlers with flowers to attract mates

[atomic hamlet]

I think of lootruns as Silverbull hiring private mercenaries on for-profit archaeology runs and giving them LE in exchange for valuable artifacts

[summer bluff]

The brown giant salamanders could be changelings too, since the mermaid subspecies are fully white just like the white salamanders

[regal spire]

“Your honor, I was simply excavating for Artifacts, how was I supposed to know this was a university?”

[atomic hamlet]

Alternatively it could be even more screwed up where you go rob places of their raw LE and they give you mythics in exchange for it

[signal bough]

Silverbull running an organized crime ring in Fruma is funny

[atomic hamlet]

Silverbull does to Fruma what United Fruit did to Guatemala but it’s them having hired thugs with 600K DPS sharpshooter builds enter people’s homes and workplaces to forcefully seize all their possessions as profit

[slender copper]

No wonder Majin is terrified of Gikyo.

[hybrid gazelle]

Why did not gavel just do the opium war on Fruma

Are they stupid?

[signal bough]

unfortunately, Fruma is the one with machine guns

[hybrid gazelle]

wtf machine gun gonna do to crack

[cinder cedar]

And the elfs want to keep their canned abis and not share

[vestal rivet]

deter the sellers

[cinder cedar]

The villagers have no idea if Fruma uses emeralds as currency too so they don't know how profitable it is to try sell drugs to gun lords

not that they know they have guns outside canons

[hybrid gazelle]

Gavel use juggler to throw crack into Fruma empire

[vestal rivet]

Juggler is insane actually tf is his deal

[signal bough]

he's just really good at juggling

[summer bluff]

He wants to spread joy an laughter
Least powerful villager mage

[cinder cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-a-chuckster-chuckster-super-mario-sunshine-super-mario-gif-16848064720943465838

[signal bough]

magically so

[hybrid gazelle]

Fruma queen when gavel make all her roughwork workers addicted to crack so her entire infrastructure ruined

[summer bluff]

Real British hours

[hybrid gazelle]

Wynncraft au where everything is the same except gavel been using juggler to throw crack into Fruma causing 80% of fruma population to be crack addict

[whole river]

Kinda find it funny that there’s a strong theme of oppressive monarchies being toppled in Gavel and Fruma then there’s just the Wynn provinces kinging it up

[signal bough]

Takan had it right all along

[atomic hamlet]

Fruman century of humiliation

[signal bough]

the opium was important in the trade networks

[whole river]

Ragni king being the only good guy left

Troms king is compromised but we destroyed amadel so

[signal bough]

brits wanted tea, china would only sell tea for silver so silver was running out

opium could easily be sold illegally so they started selling opium for tea

[atomic hamlet]

Fruma is admittedly sort of a prime target for mercantile(imperialist) foreign policy

It’s been isolated for centuries and has developed useful resources and technology found nowhere else

[whole river]

Fruma is highkey a threat once their cursed population gets mobilized into the army, and their regular forces as is are pretty powerful

[signal bough]

and the only enemy at home would be royalist insurgents

[atomic hamlet]

I have a far future Wynn AU project in Wynntheory’s server where post-Revolution, an uprising by the last few noble houses that were able to hold on to financial capital allowed for a joint invasion and occupation of the province by Silverbull and a coalition of Wynnic kingdoms as a resource-extraction operation disguised as peacekeeping

Boxer Rebellion core

[whole river]

If the Wynn provinces can beat back anni, imagine the full might of Fruma’s military

[atomic hamlet]

Specifically the Fruman military had gone through partial disarmament of a lot of its former structures and was much weaker

[signal bough]

with the inevitable pro-magic new fruman govt, I think there's enough motivation for free trade immediately after

[atomic hamlet]

The issue was that Fruma was engaging in free trade but had relations that were too positive with Wynn’s global rival in Corkus

Corkus was beginning to develop into an industrial superpower because of its crazy technological edge only exacerbated by Fruman industrial equipment, and it was also opposed to Wynn because of its refusal to acknowledge it as a full province

[signal bough]

so what prevents it from becoming a world war

[whole river]

In that scenario it feels like corkus would step in and handle the Wynnic boys

[atomic hamlet]

There were already weapons of mass destruction in the form of the mythic Collapse, which had been held by Wynn, and the Fatal, which was in the possession of Corkus

So deterrence occurred instead

Silverbull, which was also pretty Wynn-aligned, had the Divzer too

[whole river]

Oh rip

[marble lantern]

Another crackhead theory from me slowly chewing through Post-Raid Dialogue for WTP.

||What if we, the player, are a reincarnation of Anathema/Her Majesty, iirc the path to find this info is 1 > All Options (1,2,3) > 1 > 1. She mentions reincarnating as a blank slate to truly experience life, and asks us (the Player) if we will give it kindness (I said yes). If not, that still leaves the possibility of some future recruit/NPC being another version of her NOT born of Hate. Theories, Theories, where will they lead us.||

[signal bough]

whats the triangle trade of wynncraft again? I forget which SD mentions it

[atomic hamlet]

Post-revolution/War of the Realms foreign exchange was a bit different because there was no need for that strong of a military anymore

The Hero of Realms also established an independent nonpartisan group occupying all three (closed) portals that specifically dealt with extraplanar influence

[signal bough]

I doubt this system will remain valid following the end of exiling people, and I doubt the wynncraft CT will have the Oru storyline end with 'Oh why didn't you say Zhiroak was with you? yeah just send any royalists my way and they'll get the Deraj special.'

[edgy loom]

I do wonder what the wastelands will be like

and why has oru been so ominously built up

how would a conflict even go when we have everyone on our side

[brave atlas]

Who is oru

[uncut cradle]

Sovereign of the Wastelands and Warden of Deraj

[vestal rivet]

mentioned in Off the Rails

[brave atlas]

Cant be that strong

[pine flower]

he's a discombobulated cat, not to be underestimated

[dawn otter]

|| I like how the Queen keeps rambling about how useless her sovereigns are even though we basically told her that we defeated the Beast’s Eye, Orphion (to some degree), and the Dernic Parasite. We’re not just some random super strong soldier lol ||

[vestal rivet]

true
she does underestimate us for no apparent reason despite the fact we've proven outselves plenty vicious

[whole river]

She either underestimates her literal superiors which makes no sense or she thinks her dysfunctional family is stronger than they actually are

[vestal rivet]

we know who this Aubri is?

[pine flower]

they're teary-eyed

[nocturne nimbus]

the things we’ve defeated aren’t her superiors

[dawn otter]

You know what they mean

||There’s probably some spoilers ahead that explains why she acts the way she does||

||The whole “send a bunch of fodder troops to take out the protag, and some powerful right hands of mine” trope can’t be there for no reason||

[vestal rivet]

aaand it's apparently a reference to ballet

[dawn otter]

A silent one, even.

[muted crypt]

i hardly ever consider item lore canon or even worth reading

[warm flicker]

reference to swan lake, off the top of my head its about a woman who turns into a swan every night

probably got like 90%+ of that wrong

[muted crypt]

cataclysm lore saying Nether Portal 🔥

[muted crypt]

this is because we unintentionally hide our power from Her

she, as a sub-beast appears to be able to read power, but ours is buried so deep within us that she fails to see it until her final moments

[warm flicker]

oh no it was right its about a princess who is cursed to turn into a swan, and a pas de deux is a ballet term for when two people are dancing together

[muted crypt]

we have something buried within our soul that holds immeasurable power

enough to apparently even threaten the realm beasts themselves

but it is so buried that on the outside we do truly appear to be just a really strong soldier

[dawn otter]

But we tell her about our skirmishes in the realms though?

[lavish knot]

It's more so we beaten a parasite affecting Orphion, that parasite would be nothing compared to the beasts

[lavish knot]

Do you have all the branching dialogues?
I want to look into them

[mossy widget]

True we never really face the beasts to fight them directly

closest we get is orphion

and the obvious new one LOL

[lavish knot]

Orphion at full power at the level players would fight the parasite on an even field would vaporise them

Insert ssbu story cutscene here

[whole river]

I meant Dern beast and Orphion

I didnt say we beat them either

[lone bone]

Do the people of Fruma believe in bovinism like ppl of Wynn

[shut mist]

No

[lone bone]

maybe Salted is the beast of the realm of wynn like orphion for the realm of light

[tiny topaz]

|| was aledar a leaf?? ||

[lone bone]

yes

[tiny topaz]

man so tasim really didn’t know him after all

[shut mist]

He dident

Aledar kinda got him in trouble.

[tiny topaz]

also did he die without ever knowing anything about his past? did tasim tell him anything?

[lone bone]

tasim wasn't sovereign when he died

[tiny topaz]

like in his letters after discover the past

he never told aledar?

[lone bone]

oh

idk I think so

[shut mist]

He never did

He wished aledar never knew

Thats why he went to gavel

To run away from everything

[tiny topaz]

and he’s mad at us for having a hard time telling him the truth?

like

😔

[shut mist]

He was his closest friend

[whole river]

Tasim is an avoidant which coincides very well when he went to gavel and found out there’s literally a whole cosmic war going on out of his control as well (he freaked tf out)

[tiny topaz]

does he not gaf about us

[shut mist]

Not really

Well

[tiny topaz]

we broke into fruma for him??

[shut mist]

Less the aledar

Ye

[tiny topaz]

he straight up says he has no one other than aledar

[whole river]

Like tasim? He does

[lone bone]

he was a closeted gay

[tiny topaz]

tbf aledar also called us lonely

[tiny topaz]

closet made of glass

[formal bridge]

the player canonically runs about the place all the time back and forth, never staying anywhere for long or making any real lasting friendships

that's why we missed Maxie's wedding

[lone bone]

no

we missed his wedding cuz the seaskipper have dementia

[formal bridge]

Well if we stayed in one place he wouldn't have had to tell the seaskipper lmao

[shut mist]

True

[lone bone]

I mean he could have just delivered it to my housing smh I always go there

[whole river]

In the beginning of the journey we’re kinda aimlessly wandering around occasionally teaming up with other recruits so it makes sense

[formal bridge]

tasim and aledar stayed together in Detlas for at least a little while

moreso than any time we've spent in any particular place

[shut mist]

The player goes from killing a witch in a well to fight a god in another realm

[formal bridge]

Strong Survive is honestly the longest time the player character ever spends in a single location as far as I can remember lmao

[lone bone]

i've seen them do things in their shared room at the detlas inn

[formal bridge]

nah, they only ever got like an inch away from eachother and got really close to doing it but never actually kissed or anything else

you don't get that kind of angst without that dynamic

the most doomed of yaoi

[lone bone]

if I cosplay as aledar will tasim love me

[marble lantern]

More evidence to my crackhead theory of ||The Player being a reincarnation/tangent of Anathema||

[shut mist]

Thats impossible

[civic wren]

Player is probably the orphion of the regular world

[marble lantern]

thats why its a crackhead theory and not a real theory

[whole river]

We’re just the hollow knight

[split night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1015394899497058304/1500358300305199186/Sui_Nom_NOM_nom.gif

[whole river]

She smol

[nocturne nimbus]

genuine question, how can the player be a reincarnation of someone who isn’t dead

[whole river]

Soul splitting? Not that I agree with the theory

[muted crypt]

ask bob

[kind shale]

is there a video or doc that has a overview and timeline, just something to look into if i wanna start getting into the lore?

[full jackal]

I think there’s smth on the wiki lemme go find it

[exotic bough]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/119UJDgULyjSy-suC8W1w-oibhDvT6uPq4RwxzqBTzjE/edit?usp=sharing

[kind shale]

sick thank you, might wanna pin that too for other people

[full jackal]

hnfortunately its fandom

https://wynncraft.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline

[exotic bough]

this spoils the entire story but gives an overview of the general wynn timeline

EW

[exotic bough]

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Timeline fandom wiki detected, use the official wiki at wynncraft.wiki.gg instead for less ads

[full jackal]

I would

[exotic bough]

(its outdated but itll be updated soon tm)

[full jackal]

bht wiki.gg doesnt have this page

i hate fandom just as much as you

[exotic bough]

what page

[full jackal]

The timeljne page

[exotic bough]

but

[slim belfry]

but fandom wiki is more correcter

it has black beacons

[exotic bough]

true...

also has druhma province

[dim plover]

Another update without Tasim alt route

[limber swan]

f

[hybrid gazelle]

Thinking about headcanon that would allow Wynn people to purify corruption from gears in wartorn project

[unique pumice]

Who still updates the fandom wiki

[compact agate]

why cant we tell tasim we killed aledar in queens recruit

and why cant we tell syndra about elise

[hybrid gazelle]

Because it genuinely feel like it impossible to have armor in Wynn province because of how much shit would be unrecoverable

[compact agate]

makes no sense

[hybrid gazelle]

They have not add the option to

[compact agate]

right but why

that seems to be the most obvious thing

[hybrid gazelle]

The current route is player felt too guilty to tell Tasim

Syndra one is because they don’t have it yet

[compact agate]

we literally try to tell him multiple times

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah like I said

They have not add it yet

[compact agate]

also i dont feel guilty given that i was literally chosen to be a sacrifice in journey further

[hybrid gazelle]

They have not get it working

Because the route we have rn is the intended route

Player feeling too guilty to tell Tasim yet trying to tell him and failing create drama and conflict between the player and Tasim

It’s better route in my opinion but then again we will see in alt route

[unique pumice]

No they changed the dialogue for that

[hybrid gazelle]

That no longer canon yeah

They change the dialogue

[compact agate]

what when

[hybrid gazelle]

Before fruma release

They update beginning of ajb and end of ajf dialogue

[compact agate]

well still maybe id feel more guilty if i didnt have to do 2 escort quests back to back

[hybrid gazelle]

Ajb and ajf likely will get full on rework later

In uhh

“Soon” with huge quotation mark

[unique pumice]

No clue when i dont like it either though

I guess the changes make sense

[warm flicker]

cant they just use resonance weavers? Are they stupid?

[rugged trench]

was that the device soosu and the other one were making that we stole?

what did that even do

[hybrid gazelle]

Fr

But yeah I will expand on this lore a bit

So in summary the process invovle you soak the item in water from the ofean

And sprinkle fairy dust

The more corrupted the items is, the longer is take to purify it

Later theu would salvage the gear by melting them and reforging them

Now that the taint of corruption no longer there

[hybrid gazelle]

Literally reality bending

It capable of weaving reality

It’s what the queen use to make her body

[rugged trench]

ah

[frozen shadow]

Telling Tasim the truth will change all the dialogue or only affect the first quest ?

[hybrid gazelle]

Will change later dialogue yes

I would not say all

But definitely change overture and from that point on

Idk if true color will change

Cause in the beta they don’t say that

But idk maybe

[frozen shadow]

Any where i could see the dialogue if i missclicked and don't wanna do the quest again ?

[drifting aurora]

its not available yet

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah

It probably will be on wiki

Man we gotta have replay quest feature

[drifting aurora]

it ended up being more work than expected to write the dialogue for in time for release, so it's been disabled until it's ready

[frozen shadow]

So i'm not missing anything beside the first quest dialogue, right ?

[drifting aurora]

this is on a list of things i would like to add when i have the time

[hybrid gazelle]

Telling sybdra that Elise die probably gonna make her crash into nearest wall 😭

That lady already on edge of suicide

[compact agate]

https://tenor.com/view/sealyx-thanos-avengers-endgame-gif-710112898283581777

Will it affect quests down the line such as locking you out of certain quests, I think an alternate apotheosis ending could be cool

[drifting aurora]

it will not lock you out of quests

but the intent is for it to change tasim's dialogue throughout

[hybrid gazelle]

Actually it will lock you out of a quest name “the quest where Tasim fucking dies”

[compact agate]

What about different endings like iron heart

[dim plover]

Telling Tasim actually changes the entire events of the story and the Queen gets killed by a Leaves in the Wind Tasim halfway into the storyline that's why I'm holding out until it's added into the game

(Tasim is too powerful)

[drifting aurora]

we're not interested in doing this sort of thing on a large scale truthfully

it's something that'd require a lot more work than the team is capable of

[compact agate]

would it be on more of a smaller scale like within quests instead

[drifting aurora]

shrug

[compact agate]

such as dialogue changes and different cutscenes or woudl it change entirely like the strong survives

[hybrid gazelle]

They should just remake undertale in wynncraft actually

Do we even have other offical term for people with higher magical innate than just cursed?

Cursed is mostly fruma propaganda

So genuinely curious do we have any other name fkr them

Innate?

[vestal rivet]

I think it's implied that everyone has magic innately, or that almost everyone does
just that most need a channel to use it with, and aren't magic enough to just cast freely with nothing like Sui or the Twains

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean yeah I know that

But like

Do we have offical name for them

That is not the cursed

[vestal rivet]

well
it's everyone

cursed just means the ones that discovered what they could do

do we need a name for a group comprising everyone?

[hybrid gazelle]

I meant for individual that has no need for focus

[warm flicker]

i look forward to the day it is added

[hybrid gazelle]

Rhat what I mean

Befause someone like Tasim, Sui, and the Twain

They don’t need focus

[vestal rivet]

manaweaver?

[hybrid gazelle]

No

Cause that imply Tasim is one

And two certainly did not talk to Tasim when she talk about manaweaver

[warm flicker]

manaweaver seems more scientific than propaganda, id say psionic but that falls in the same category

[vestal rivet]

oh yeah Tasim is cursed too
but we only see it in Recover the Past still

[hybrid gazelle]

We see it in apotheosis too

His original power that he born with

Visualize through bird wing

[vestal rivet]

I thought that was his blessing
and butterfly wings

[warm flicker]

also going to espren and timasca and seeing the buildings we witnessed in the recover the past quest is wild

[hybrid gazelle]

No the butterfly wing is his blessing

From the queen

Bird wing is his og power

You can see it in recover the past

[warm flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/supergryelmacho-gif-12929010325129447367

[mossy widget]

tasim house u_u

[vestal rivet]

I could've sworn it was butterfly wings

[hybrid gazelle]

Nope

[mossy widget]

nah the butterfly wings come from the queen's blessing

his magic is feathered wings

[warm flicker]

tasim always had butterfly wings, he just kept them hidden because we'd make fun of him

[hybrid gazelle]

He got that radiance ability node for his power

I am crying

[slim belfry]

I like that there's folded clothes of his old outfit in there

[hybrid gazelle]

Nobody give a fuck man they don’t even brother cleaning his cloth

Nobody occupy there

It so funny

[slim belfry]

hey that new sovereign looks like the dude that lived in that house

[warm flicker]

oh content team actually added a little something to the house to indicate it was tasim's?

[vestal rivet]

those are NOT bird wings

[warm flicker]

tasim looks like every other blonde guy in espren lmao

[vestal rivet]

very much either moth or butterfly

[hybrid gazelle]

We literally just said butterfly wing was his blessing

[warm flicker]

"Tasim stop dancing around i need to kill you"

[hybrid gazelle]

Like

I said it here

[vestal rivet]

you said we saw him use his cursed powers in apotheosis

and then you talked about bird wings

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah he use it to power up Sui

He use his original power to power up Sui

[vestal rivet]

ok that's what I asked for thanks

[hybrid gazelle]

And you can see bird wing when he charge up Nasin’s charm to revive Zhiraok

I think

[nocturne nimbus]

speak for yourself, I’m still waiting for them to release Poor Town

[warm flicker]

is tasim actually an avo confirmed??

[hybrid gazelle]

but yeah it’s bird wing

Because idfk bro angelic

[warm flicker]

tempo town is RIGHT THERE

alongside nemract and olux

[nocturne nimbus]

it’s not the same 🚬

[vestal rivet]

so not even Tasim-associated then probably
just generic holy imagery from who knows where

[warm flicker]

damn we got multiple poor towns

oh and lexdale

[drifting aurora]

poor town dlc lets gooo

[hybrid gazelle]

It is because it appear when a taism charge tbe charm

So

Yeah

[vestal rivet]

town for non-ranked players only

[slim belfry]

poor town in dern

[vestal rivet]

you said when the nasin charm charges and I thought you just meant in general mb

[hybrid gazelle]

It been there since recover the past but they did not use model Therr

[warm flicker]

dark forest village, lexdale, olux, tempo town, nemract, who wins at being the most poor

[vestal rivet]

Tempo Town or Lexdale I'm guessing

somehow I missed dark forest village

[compact agate]

how are people in wynncraft poor like just summon LE

[drifting aurora]

Poor town, Fruma goes crazy

guys why did we scrap Poor town

[hybrid gazelle]

So yeah I don’t think we have other name for people with higher magic innate otjer than cursed

Idk

I probably miss it

[vestal rivet]

I don't know of one either

[hybrid gazelle]

But surely there is a name for them right?

[mossy widget]

mana weaver

[vestal rivet]

no

[drifting aurora]

manaweaver is something else

[mossy widget]

two literally says this .....................................

grrr

[hybrid gazelle]

Meefy

[mossy widget]

so sui is

[drifting aurora]

its a 3rd classification

[vestal rivet]

that's more specific based on how Two uses it

[hybrid gazelle]

That would imply Tasim is one too

[mossy widget]

true

[warm flicker]

sui is a secret third thing

[hybrid gazelle]

So as entire Twain family

[vestal rivet]

this I'm not sure about

[hybrid gazelle]

No I said

If manaweaver is a term for these people

[vestal rivet]

because she's compared to them BEFORE she gets to that point that she knows she can see the strands

[hybrid gazelle]

Then Twain are one too

[vestal rivet]

oh

I am NOT on my game here am I

[warm flicker]

twain family is a pretty cool concept, its a shame they died after one generation

[vestal rivet]

they were all adopted anyways

[hybrid gazelle]

I genuinely don’t know what I said thst hard to understand so idk lol

[hybrid gazelle]

I wish they expand on them more

I thjnk theu should add more nuance

[vestal rivet]

at least we know where Rickeo wound up?

[hybrid gazelle]

Because rn it just feel like Marius

[drifting aurora]

rickeo is doing Fine im sure

[nocturne nimbus]

classism, instead we have Rich City (Hyloch)

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel lien they should focus on Marius not being father enough to the Twain

[warped horizon]

what are some of the irl cultures that inspired fruma?

[vestal rivet]

yes
unalive and unwell guarding the great bridge

[hybrid gazelle]

Because he too busy shaping them to become hero of Wynn

[warm flicker]

good enough, welcome back akias

[hybrid gazelle]

Which is why they are so distance and despite one and another

Idk feel like Twain family could have more depth

[vestal rivet]

you know asia
yeah just look all over it if you want to see the architecture and culture inspirations

[hybrid gazelle]

Fruma queen is inspired by different flavor of Asian parents

[warped horizon]

yes i got the pan-asian part but the architecture also seems european inspired and the flora/fauna seems like they're north american-ish

[vestal rivet]

for the terrain and biomes, look more towards western US

[nocturne nimbus]

Fruma isn’t even that Asian tbh

[vestal rivet]

pacific northwest

[warped horizon]

really? even auburn?

[vestal rivet]

look at where the northwest is on a map lol

[warm flicker]

auburn reminds me of home in the US northeast

[warped horizon]

that's what i was thinking

[vestal rivet]

auburn is more north in general though

[slim belfry]

auburn seems to have Asian autumn forest inspiration

[brittle prism]

😭 they lobotomized my boy recruiter effial

[vestal rivet]

could pass for parts of my home state on the east coast some parts of the year

[nocturne nimbus]

I feel like most people, if they didn’t already have that in their minds because of how Fruma was referenced before release, wouldn’t look at Fruma and go: ”Wow, that’s so inspired by Asia”

[warped horizon]

i got the impression that pnw was mistwoods and auburn was more northeast

[vestal rivet]

the people of Espren walking around in very much non-European dress:

[brittle prism]

what's a europe?

[warm flicker]

i feel like we shouldve done fruma in 2016 - exact replica of chinese culture, slab-spam builds, and full of fetch quests

[brittle prism]

There's only wynn and gavel...

[warped horizon]

the hyloch citizens' dress very much feels south-asian inspired

[slim belfry]

there is no war inside fruma x100

[warped horizon]

im not sure what the other parts of fruma were supposed to resemble

[nocturne nimbus]

I’m not saying there’s no inspiration, there is a lot even, but I don’t think it’s that apparent

[vestal rivet]

like yeah it isn't literally everywhere but it's still very upfront whenever it is

[warped horizon]

also were the hyloch cops wearing ushankas?

[vestal rivet]

most apparent in Auburn
least apparent in Mistwoods

[slender copper]

When recharging the amulet in Apotheosis... there is a visual animation that happens right before it breaks. Does anyone have a good screenshot of what it looks like?

[nocturne nimbus]

I mean there’s a guy running around with the very subtle name of Daimyo

[slim belfry]

and the frickin armor too

I love the designs

[warped horizon]

and kipchaks

[drifting aurora]

i actually dont know why theyre all wearing this

[warped horizon]

oh

ok

[slim belfry]

I mean

[drifting aurora]

like it makes sense in the colder parts of highlands

[slim belfry]

there is a snowy area yeah

[drifting aurora]

but all of the guard mobs wearing it during the apotheosis segment feels odd

[warped horizon]

i mean i thought it was cool

[hybrid gazelle]

I think it really funny that Cileon have trouble with constable

Hen yuman and zeph taking out 3 wing knights in eoc cutscene lol

Feel like there should be role swap here

[drifting aurora]

i wanted to change this to a wing 😔

[warped horizon]

like from what i gathered there was a bit where sui was wearing a sari ordering fish tacos and you can order like miso soup or whatever

[hybrid gazelle]

Little did we know, thst constable is Harvin

[warped horizon]

that mishmash of cultures seemed pretty rad

[hybrid gazelle]

And Cileon would be dead if we were not there

[brittle prism]

Mistwood trees are closer to Californian coastal redwoods since Californian coastal redwoods are the only tree species able to sustain albino trees for a long time, However the albino tree in the mistwoods is very big compared to coastal redwood albinos (even if smaller compared to the other trees) therefore miswood redwoods are actually their own species 🤓

[exotic bough]

IMO a wings commander would work best

[drifting aurora]

yeah it is

i guess to be more clear

[hybrid gazelle]

I think the issue is that the wing commander they have rn are on horse

[drifting aurora]

the weirdness for me comes from all of them wearing ushankas

[hybrid gazelle]

And the area in hyloch segment is very camped

[drifting aurora]

every single guard in that segment

[exotic bough]

No like that guy with ice spells at the dam

[hybrid gazelle]

Oh yeah that guy exist

I feel like they could tweak his model

[warped horizon]

were they not all supposed to be in the same uniform?

[hybrid gazelle]

But Yeha I an see where you going

I wish hyloch segment was extended

It feel so short

[brittle prism]

the crown wants to get in on hyloch's fashion

[hybrid gazelle]

To me honestly

[brittle prism]

ofc

[exotic bough]

eh

[brittle prism]

they want to look cool

[exotic bough]

tbh its either on the short side or long enough

[hybrid gazelle]

It does not fele like we fight enough soldiers lol

[exotic bough]

not especially a problem i have with apo

[warped horizon]

wait really the in game redwoods are bigger than the irl ones?

[hybrid gazelle]

My biggest problem with apotheosis is jsut

The lack of music usage

[exotic bough]

honestly makes sense

[hybrid gazelle]

It so noticeable because otjer quests in fruma storyline use music pretty well

[exotic bough]

music for ||anathema's reveal|| would go hard

[brittle prism]

just that one albino redwood

the white one

[hybrid gazelle]

I am talking about hyloch theme still playing during the fight

[exotic bough]

along with a track playing for reviving ||rex and zhiraok||

oh yeah that

[brittle prism]

irl albino redwoods are very small and shrublike

[hybrid gazelle]

And literally domain playing while rift is open😭

It jsut do not fit the mood

And highland theme playing whole queen breaking the dam

[brittle prism]

since im a californian i saw one irl before

[exotic bough]

yeah it feels really awkward if you are this close to the climax of the storyline and it just plays standard happy music

[warped horizon]

do people actually live up where the redwoods grow or is it mostly just empty deadly nature

[hybrid gazelle]

Beat you listen to while committing district cleansing

[exotic bough]

also the topic of aelumia not feeling that different during apo compared to how it is normally

[slim belfry]

I assume mountain people

[warped horizon]

also was there a specific region of the world in mind for the roughworks area

[warm flicker]

iirc kowloon walled city was a big inspiration

[brittle prism]

a few small towns yeah

[warped horizon]

that's pretty cool

[brittle prism]

depends on where you're at

[warped horizon]

i like the padrones i had to look up what those were

[warped horizon]

is their culture as insular irl as the mistwoods ppl

[brittle prism]

uh

idk

[warped horizon]

fair enough

[brittle prism]

the redwoods near the santa cruz mountains are relatively developed since it's right next to the san francisco metro area

[warped horizon]

oh i didn't know they went down that far

i assumed it was like right on the border of oregon

so you don't have to drive far from sf to see redwoods?

[brittle prism]

yeah

[warped horizon]

neat

[brittle prism]

so real

[nocturne nimbus]

It’s said that some who live there are something other than fully human, although they may just be Californian.

[warped horizon]

californians are changelings can't trust them

[slim belfry]

ah been in that area

[brittle prism]

just a short walk from the netflix HQ is the mysterious mountain tribe of retirees....

and commuters

people who live around here are probably fighting off changelings though

[brittle prism]

neat

[slim belfry]

these are all true

[brittle prism]

tbh Mistwood trees do look also look pretty similar to the giant seqoia species of redwood in the sierra nevada mountains

with their wider trunks

Woah maybe the mistwoods's redwoods aren't one specific species 🤯

[warped horizon]

maybe this question is even less appropriate for lore discussion than what i was already asking but for hyloch why not use the cherry blossom leaves for the trees

[summer bluff]

They're leaking into arizona -_- my beautiful wastelands....

[warped horizon]

that seems like a pretty simple off the shelf solution instead of the myriad of pink color blocks

[summer bluff]

It's not in the right update for em I think

[warped horizon]

oh pffffhs

right i didn't even consider that lol

[brittle prism]

ohhh right

That gives them even more similarities to giant sequoias

[warped horizon]

did somebody say wastelands?

[brittle prism]

Mistwood redwoods are a mysterious hybrid species!

[slim belfry]

they can use cherry blossom leaves

[brittle prism]

call em

Mistwoods

[warped horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[summer bluff]

I headcanon that the pines you can find in fruma are ponderosa

Bc I like arizonian supremacy

[warped horizon]

i also like arizona iced tea

[summer bluff]

And ponderosas smell like caramel when heated by the sun

[warped horizon]

they should add some sort of wastelands equivalent iced tea to the vending machines when the new update comes out

i don't know what would be the equivalent of 99 cents in wynncraft setting

[brittle prism]

Fruma is actually california?!

[warped horizon]

the citadel is silicon valley

[exotic bough]

british columbia is auburn forest (lets ignore every part of the us north of the la metro area)

[warped horizon]

i can't believe zuckerberg is actually the physical manifestation of war

huge lore drop

[exotic bough]

not peter thiel?

actually no he'd be saphanis what with the eye and palantir

[slim belfry]

who would be orphion

[warped horizon]

all the tech bros are just sovereigns

[exotic bough]

i could see bill gates being him

[slim belfry]

I can see that

[summer bluff]

I am in. Love with the idea that arizona is part of the wastelands actually

[regal spire]

Breaking news: Scottsdale residents seen fighting off wave after wave of changelings in the form of feral, drooling javelinas

[slim belfry]

when you die you go to arizona

[brittle prism]

wastelands is nevada

rymek mesa is arizona

[exotic bough]

wastelands is new mexico

[hybrid gazelle]

We gonna see Walter white in the wasteland

[exotic bough]

actually no lets think outside of the greatest country in the world the us

[brittle prism]

nevada is next to the sierra nevadas

[exotic bough]

wastelands is somewhere in the middle east

oil is changeling stuff

[brittle prism]

nah wastelands is too red

[exotic bough]

and america/fruma wants to get it to create changelings

[brittle prism]

its australia

[exotic bough]

is australia rich in oil

thats what i thought

[brittle prism]

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[exotic bough]

https://tenor.com/view/america-america-flag-sigma-baller-gif-4192599876740220832

[brittle prism]

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https://tenor.com/view/liberia-liberia-scream-scream-liberia-liberia-screaming-screaming-liberia-gif-4535139929170807901

[exotic bough]

these are awesome discussions we are having about lore

but lets not discuss lore for a brief second

anyone want to spot motifs in the fruma ost

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LifNc--kLXn8SlkkgnYKMLoF_m4jtnQE5jK6gTsy-tc/edit?usp=sharing
if you can put your motifs here id steal all the credit be very grateful

[slim belfry]

dang listening again constant might be the longest character theme

what's with that

[warm flicker]

welcome to the Wartorn World - an alt history scenario where Fruma invades the entire world. The current year is 908 AP - 3 years since Fruma's invasion of Wynn began. Detlas is surrounded by Fruman troops and is in a fight for its very survival against the invasion. Almuj fortifies their ancient walls to keep the Fruman armies at bay. Troms suffered multiple Fruman incursions, but successfully repelled all of them

[regal spire]

Fruma should take over Wynn more, ngl. We’d have more endgame content!

[compact agate]

why are the desert people a seperate nation

[warm flicker]

i love writing overly niche scenarios that maybe 3 people will read

[slim belfry]

suddenly a massive surge of fallen-type recruits

[warm flicker]

wynn from my perspective has always been city-states cooperating with eachother instead of there being a centralized Wynn government like there is in other provinces

fun fact, fallen-type recruits are forbidden in this version of fruma and u will be beaten to death with hammers

[slim belfry]

dang

I assume the same with people with light bending abilities

[compact agate]

bros pulling from irl

[slim belfry]

I'm sad we don't have an archetype with direct dark inspiration

[warm flicker]

in this scenario, fruma is basically on a crusade to purge orphion and saphanis's influences from the physical plain, so anything related to light magic, dark magic, or corruption is purged

[young dock]

We’re jumping all lightbenders and fallen users in this tl

[hybrid gazelle]

Did reosetta stone everm ention Nesaak?

can someone bring up the highland rosetta stone

[nocturne nimbus]

Why did they invade in 905?

[hybrid gazelle]

the queen felt bored

Trying to remake timeline in Wynn

Fruma got all cool age because there like

actual timeline decleartion and what happen that cause the new age to happen

Wynn got no such thing

[earnest prairie]

Somehow, Bob returned

[paper wyvern]

Yeah the only notable points we have are the twains and Bob for ap

[slim belfry]

do agree that gavel should have a slightly different year system

maybe?

can we have ages in wynn like Bob's birth starts BA

[paper wyvern]

They definitely shouldn't have been using BP in BP

Honestly wynn being a simple BP/AP makes the most sense

[slim belfry]

yeah because that was a very pivotal moment that changed the whole province forever

[hybrid gazelle]

this will be done in Wartorn Project

rn thinking when Bak'al shuld be a thing

[slim belfry]

Bak'al is weird

[paper wyvern]

Bakal should be really early in the timeline

He started at least somewhat soon after the portals opened

[slim belfry]

yeah most stuff he did was near 0 AP

[hybrid gazelle]

we know Bak'al collecting tomes and stuff in 162 AP

so it msut be onward 100 AP

but he held a grudge against Fruma

so he must at least know of it

so I feel like we should dial it back to 10-20 AP

like the condition that I seen rn

[nocturne nimbus]

Gavel already has ages though

It just uses AP/BP for player convenience mostly

[hybrid gazelle]

is that Bak'al must at least know of Fruma

so he must at least be its soldier at once point and likely hold personal grudge

[slim belfry]

oh

[hybrid gazelle]

maybe closing off the border

[slim belfry]

ok good to know then

[hybrid gazelle]

I give him like

[slim belfry]

now that I think about it more I don't think so

well

ok I'm dumb what I mean is maybe not like any common soldier

[light zealot]

I'd love to see a midgame questline about Bak'al to make his appearance in Rol V less random

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean unless Bak'al is THAT MUCH of a petty asshole

I dont think he would hold a grudge against empire he never met or be in LOL

[slim belfry]

true

[hybrid gazelle]

so at least to our current understanding

[slim belfry]

maybe he was a high ranking officer in the old empire but got pushed away or something

[hybrid gazelle]

I think being high rank soldiers that learn of border closing

would make his grudge make sense

[slim belfry]

also bak'al is pretty smart

[hybrid gazelle]

so I fee like

I give it like 25 AP

[light zealot]

I think my biggest issue with Desert lore is that it (along with lots of the desert) is really disconnected from everything else in Wynn with the Corruption and all

[frozen turtle]

To be fair, both gavel and Wynn share the defining moment of the portals opening so it does make sense imo

[hybrid gazelle]

okay but

[paper wyvern]

Not really

[hybrid gazelle]

how does villager know of portal opening

they would only know about corruption portal openning

[paper wyvern]

The villagers don't know about the portal opening

[hybrid gazelle]

in 900 AP

to them the decay just happen out of nowhere

there is no portal involve

so UNLESS

they see what going on in WYnn

and for some reason

[paper wyvern]

The decay only visibly started some time after

[hybrid gazelle]

rewrite their every single document and records into AP calender

which is like

[paper wyvern]

And only got really bad in 800 ap

[hybrid gazelle]

sound insane

because they only know it for 100 years

[nocturne nimbus]

That’s not the insane part

[frozen turtle]

Yeah like it’s not perfect but it kinda can work

Kinda

[nocturne nimbus]

Like why are people in China measuring their years based on what year Christians think Jesus Christ died?

[hybrid gazelle]

Chinese Jesus

[slim belfry]

IT'S LIKE THAT YEAH

[frozen turtle]

Gavel is also more divided so I doubt they would even share a single dating system

[hybrid gazelle]

no they woould not

they probably use their own calender

because each of them have their own event that define their civilization

oh god thinking about it make my head ache

[light zealot]

I think a big issue with Wynn and Gavel is that there really aren't many political entities in existence that actually show up in-game

[frozen turtle]

Like the dwarves aren’t using elves calendars and vice versa

[hybrid gazelle]

I gotta seperate timeline by calender

[frozen turtle]

Elves would probably do 0AP tho

[slim belfry]

elves definitely yeah

[light zealot]

Whereas in Fruma the Crown is always active and showing up in peoples' lives and in the quests

[hybrid gazelle]

they probably call it something else

but yeah it probably similar idea

[frozen turtle]

But like based on the same event

[slim belfry]

wait also didnt the fracturing happen at the same time

[hybrid gazelle]

I forgot

[slim belfry]

that could lend some credibility

[frozen turtle]

Would explain the sky island area

And the dwarves maybe ig

But then elves nah

I mean

Villager

S

[light zealot]

I wonder why so many major events happened at 0AP

I know the portals are all connected

[slim belfry]

my theory is

[light zealot]

But there are a bunch of other things

[frozen turtle]

Just the time to be alive

[slim belfry]

opened portals chain reacts into things happening like allowing the parasite to invade and ahms colossus freaking out over these

[frozen turtle]

Eh well isn’t it just the portals and fracturing

parasite is directly related to portals opening

And I could imagine Colossus freaking out and breaking the void cuz all the portals appeared

[slim belfry]

honestly with everything happening

I'm surprised villagers didn't notice anything

literally the sky and world tore open

I assume that'd get some kind of attention

[frozen turtle]

Only other thing that happens at 0AP not directly linked to portals is nemract getting destroyed by undead

[slim belfry]

poor nemract

got overtaken by supposedly corrupted beings

[frozen turtle]

Tho u could argue that if the corruption portal opened it may of weakened their defenses so the undead were able to

[slim belfry]

dude thinking about charon and his army again they're an anomaly

[light zealot]

So much of old Wynn lore is weird

Charon included

[slim belfry]

dungeon bosses having their own pocket dimension for some reason

[hybrid gazelle]

adding more lore to Charon

[slim belfry]

ok at least garoth makes sense

[hybrid gazelle]

oops forgot the first part

Timeline also intend to showcase Corruption infighting

the game never show it but yeah there are infighting

so I use that to explain why Bak'al advance so slow

he try to learn his power and gathering army

[slim belfry]

yeah I wish the infighting was more common

[hybrid gazelle]

in Wartorn Project

so much about undead is just has a lot of infighting

which is why they have not streamroll over wynn province yet

each warlords too busy fighting each other

after Bak'al gone

[slim belfry]

peak undead invasion where it's less zombie army media and more like literal everyone against everyone chaos

I love wynn

[hybrid gazelle]

my fallen OC also meant to be expand on that too

where he sometime get lured by scouts in order for him to fight warlords

like fucking t rex

[slim belfry]

LOL

also I'm glad Fruma finally answered my question as to whether Bak'al himself is an undead

[hybrid gazelle]

he not undead, he just fucking ugly

[slim belfry]

automod moment

I think I should've gotten the hint when he was referred to as a broken person

[slim belfry]

nah you wrong he's handsome

[young dock]

It’s fucked up what the portal did to you, I be crying too if I looked like that. But that’s your life

https://tenor.com/view/id-be-crying-if-i-looked-like-that-too-bro-gif-23747240

Old garoth

And theorick

[slim belfry]

I had an idea that old garoth exists in current wynn and that the boss form is his fursona

"had" because no idea on how to convey this

maybe an artist or writer

[young dock]

Werewolf-esque

I can see it

[hybrid gazelle]

New Garoth is more intresting so like lol

[young dock]

I fw new garoth, still got the old keys

[hybrid gazelle]

I probably introduce more warband in the timeline

And how Bob journey affect Wynn province

[slim belfry]

I like new garoth

waiter more olm lore!

[hybrid gazelle]

Also to allow Wynn to combat stuff against corruption

I proabbly introduce new material

I proabbly expand on stuff like cobalt

Like I got an idea on how to expand stuff thst only exist in proff for wartorn project

[signal bough]

there are more than you think- so many of the wynn and gavel quests start with local military personnel recruiting you to do something

[full jackal]

just finished reading that document, it was really extensive and well-researched

[full jackal]

hopefully no one, that place should be abandoned forever and fully vandalized

[light zealot]

True - but most of the actual governments of both provinces are basically nonexistant outside of descriptions

Other than the King of Ragni

[signal bough]

let's see, you have a presidential manor in rymek, a king in troms, and mayors in tempo town and alekin

[light zealot]

Right, forgot about the King of Troms

It's been a while

The Gavellian government isn't touched much though. I remember that there used to be a monarchy but they were deposed

And there is a group in the Dark Forest trying to bring them back

[signal bough]

I think it was a former group

[light zealot]

And also something about Tisaun Sodeta and the Guilds

[signal bough]

now it's just a village populated by monarchist sympathizers

but yes, I do agree

the details are only known from a few throwaway lines

Lexdale Federal Prison, Cinfras being the capital of Gavel

no real evidence of govt west of the canyon, too

except for the military

the poor state of the regions within the Decay makes me think the federal system must be very loose

[full jackal]

is the king of ragni the king of wynn at whole or just ragni? Cuz if its just ragni that inplies that it is its own country

same for troms

[signal bough]

just Ragni

[full jackal]

Then where does their juridiction end?

Like, just ragni or the emerald trail too

[signal bough]

the border is marked

[full jackal]

… that’s a border?

[signal bough]

yep

[light zealot]

I'd think Ragni controls everything from the castle to the Nivla Woods to the Ocean

Since we know they control the Pigmen Ravines

So Maltic is under the dominion of Ragni which makes sense

[signal bough]

Tempo town is also petitioning Ragni for annexation

and the little wood area is inhabited so that's also ragni