📚lore_discussion

[drifting aurora]

. . .

[slim belfry]

uh

[drifting aurora]

anyhow

[frozen turtle]

142 sands are in the bottom of the hourglass

i think

[slim belfry]

imagine after the wartorn palace the sand stops falling (or more like slows down)

[hybrid gazelle]

knowing that Death in BTG in inspired by discworld death

I just think it funnier because I pretty sure in Discworld at least animated series

have Death try to find a way to get drunk or something

[frozen turtle]

I did a calculation of the hourglass a while ago but my math is very weird

and confusing

[hybrid gazelle]

nah the world end sooner

[frozen turtle]

i think in the hourglass there were 158 sand blocks, 142 were at the bottom and 16 were at the top/still falling

[hybrid gazelle]

becuase Orphion and Dern Beast will make a move now

you know the concept of this

[slim belfry]

oh right

[hybrid gazelle]

hjourlgass that know when the world will end kinda strange

like

this is apply to all setting btw

does it take account to what protagonist doing?

or does it change when the portagonist doing something

[drifting aurora]

something something predestination , yeah its odd

[hybrid gazelle]

like also the fact that it exist

mean that the world will end

because it the world did not end

[spring kernel]

is death's wife relevant to modern wynn lore

[hybrid gazelle]

the nwhy would the time continue ticking

[drifting aurora]

Yeah sure

[frozen turtle]

end of world date is 2126.7 AP confirmed

[hybrid gazelle]

so would wynncraft ending have us all die or not

that the real questionn

the fact that the hourglass thatcount to the end of the world exist imply that the world will end

unless the hourglass did not take account to the future event

[frozen turtle]

either the world will end

or when life ends idk

[hybrid gazelle]

and only calculate and predict by what is going on currently

[hot timber]

i bet the civilisation that built the colossi powerbombed the light and dark and severed their connection the first time around

[frozen turtle]

who knows, im taking it as it knows exactly the end of the world

[nocturne nimbus]

yeah as the only confirmed straight couple in wynncraft

[frozen turtle]

and assuming 9000 BP is the starting date as its the earliest confirmed date, then at ~2000BP all the sands should've fallen

[hot timber]

False!

nohno and his wife

[frozen turtle]

nohno..

[drifting aurora]

i love nohno

[split night]

actual straight couple that have no children and is relevent to the plot

[drifting aurora]

hes so stupid

[split night]

this is what the guy the other day asked for

[hybrid gazelle]

but yeah

[hot timber]

used to be a genius

[hybrid gazelle]

I stikl find the concept of hourglass to be scary

[frozen turtle]

they're tweaking it do be a gay couple im pretty sure tho

[hot timber]

before the drugs

[nocturne nimbus]

it’s very much not a confirmed date

unless you mean something else than what I’m thinking

[split night]

weird theory coming up
fake death is death's wife

[frozen turtle]

yeah, (i meant 2000AP oops), i really doubt whoever built the hourglass counted the sand and went "this should equate to the end of the world"

who knows maybe the build or CT team whenever that quest was made was thinking really far ahead

[frozen turtle]

maybe that letter was actually how they first met in the SD

[split night]

Death x Fake Death ship

cooking

[dim plover]

I heard she got really bored of seeing so many deaths 24/7 so she went to the mortal world to create a bunch of life instead

Last I checked she’s situated in some random canyon

[slim belfry]

Bak'al and Anathema ship dynamic btw

[split night]

Bak'al and Anathema is boss-worker ship

Anathema and Two on the other hand is Mother Daughter ship

[frozen turtle]

.. what

[slim belfry]

relationship

[split night]

Shipping is not just romantic dude

ship can also mean other relation ships xd

[slim belfry]

but yeah true fake death doesnt know death

[split night]

how long have you not been in the scene

[split night]

aw

[frozen turtle]

ive never seen shipping used in that way

[slim belfry]

or maybe this is her way of courting death

[frozen turtle]

when i heard Mother-Daughter ship i thought of a really gross dynamic

[slim belfry]

ship is just short of relationship though

[split night]

ew what

[slim belfry]

it's just that romantic is the most common

[split night]

😭

[slim belfry]

platonic also shows up a lot though

[frozen turtle]

i've never seen anyone use 'ship' for anything not romantic

[split night]

i literally clarified it how

[slim belfry]

anyway back to death

maybe it's something else now

idk hard to think of what exactly given the setting

[full jackal]

I just finished Apostheosis and I don't think I can ever ||forgive Tasim for doing that to Rex||

[frozen turtle]

bruh some fucking CT

[full jackal]

Propaganda spread by Queen

[split night]

actual propaganda

[full jackal]

Do not believe her lies they are absolute in one

[dim plover]

Excluding Soosu because that might be weird I think

[frozen turtle]

im fairly certain some CT dont do any work but are merely selected to spread propoganda

[dim plover]

She’s still technically a child right

[frozen turtle]

physically yeah, mentally also yeah

[dim plover]

Okay yeah so the rest of them them

Definitely poly trust me

(She is their collective daughter)

[slim belfry]

I think soosu was confirmed young adult several times

[frozen turtle]

i dont believe that

[slim belfry]

PFFFFFT

[full jackal]

Isn't she 120 (oh wait right she was promoted to sovereign at like age 8 yea that is weird)

[dim plover]

I saw a message flash what did it say

[frozen turtle]

itwas a server invite

[full jackal]

Uhh... I think????

Either way it's weird I think

[frozen turtle]

She looks and acts like a child

[spring kernel]

she isn't a child

[full jackal]

DO NOT DEBATE THIS PLEASE

[frozen turtle]

even if she's technically a young adult

[uneven basin]

shes like stuck in a child body i tought that was what the secret room was about

[frozen turtle]

it still would be weird

[full jackal]

DO NOT DEBATE THIS DO NOT DEBATE THIS

[dim plover]

The Queen is really impatient
Couldn’t wait for like ten-twelve more years so she didn’t have to permanently deal with this annoying child

[split night]

A child with her age pause indefinitely, so yes

[mossy badge]

Hello im here to debate whatever soosu is a child or not

[frozen turtle]

Like physically or mentally

[full jackal]

I don't think she acts mentally like a child though but physically she's like 10

So it would still be weird i think maybe

[slim belfry]

lexnt please wake back up soosu age debate is happening again

[spring kernel]

both

[dim plover]

Again?????

[split night]

hey guys can we not get into this can of worm and agree that soosu is an elderly child

[uneven basin]

there's a lari parallel in there

[full jackal]

MAYBE IDK I WILL NOT DEBATE YOU ON THIS

[split night]

i always pointed this out dw about it

[frozen turtle]

she just acts and looks like a child, but isnt a child ig

[dim plover]

She’s old!

(/j)

[mossy badge]

Hmm

[dim plover]

Guys Soosu is actually like negative three she doesn’t exist yet

[frozen turtle]

it doesnt help that the queen calls her rebellions "tantrums"

[split night]

no it does help

[full jackal]

Oof yea that is true

[split night]

it help us know that she is a child

[mossy badge]

lol

[split night]

an elderly one

[uneven basin]

she calls any rebellion a tantrum tbh

[split night]

good point honestly

[slim belfry]

she calls any rebel children too

[full jackal]

well tbf she calls Syndra and the rest of the leaves "children"

[dim plover]

White Diamond speaking-ass

[split night]

she's old as hell so yes

[full jackal]

And syndra is like 50s to 60s

[frozen turtle]

the only time i've said someone is having a tantrum to someone whose not a child is to ragebait them

[dim plover]

Did Elise go to the beach that makes you old or smth

[split night]

i mean relative to them Her's Majesty's shell is at least 700 years old

[full jackal]

Just like twitter

[dim plover]

How is she even that at 1000 AP

[uneven basin]

to her the people of fruma are all her children and she's like and abusive mother or something

[dim plover]

She looks ninety

Probably

[hybrid gazelle]

she is average asian parents

[full jackal]

I think probably around 1200-5000 if I had to guess

[hybrid gazelle]

with a hint of chirstian

[slim belfry]

roughworks very clean air

[uneven basin]

a life working in the roughworks will do that to you

[dim plover]

True

[split night]

working like 9 to 9 would make you look like that

[uneven basin]

we got real life parallels for that too

[slim belfry]

yknow know that I think about it

[uneven basin]

hard labor is not easy on the body xD

[full jackal]

Btw can someone match up the IA KA and RA with wynncraft time? I'm kinda confused with the terms

[slim belfry]

roughworks is just the zhiraok district

[dim plover]

They really need to knock down the walls surrounding the Industrial District

Legends say that there is a man outside of the city’s walls that knows the secret to clean air

[frozen turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/lorax-lorax-kid-dancing-gif-16006525983109240352

[dim plover]

They call him, the Onc-

[slim belfry]

the lorax is gone because of proffers

[full jackal]

THANK YOU ^_^

[dim plover]

Has anyone here experienced the absolute despair when you find out that two characters you’ve been shipping for a decent amount of time turn out to be siblings

[full jackal]

Wait aren't Oru and Two the same?

[mossy badge]

No

lol

[dim plover]

Are they?

When was this said

[full jackal]

... I... think???

Idk I just assumed

[dim plover]

Okay

[spring kernel]

this image is slightly wrong, two was the first proper sovereign

[slim belfry]

might be the implied inquisitor in prison relationship

[mossy badge]

The sovereigns are not in order, see majin before gikyo

[full jackal]

It also genuinely confuses me how Gale can be a Nasin

They look nothing like Zhi

[mossy badge]

White hair smh

[full jackal]

Also is it implied in Apostheosis that ||blessings can be used up?||

[mossy badge]

Uh no?

The revive trinket is not a blessing

[full jackal]

Then what were they pouring into the trinket??

[slim belfry]

I think alive gale would have a closer resemblance

[full jackal]

Theirself???

How would that work???

[mossy badge]

Mana

[spring kernel]

no

[full jackal]

Do they not have mana regen smh

[mossy badge]

Smh

🤯

[full jackal]

I'm sorry I don't actually read dialogue that deeply T_T

[mossy badge]

10000 mr/1s

[slim belfry]

people do I think it's a certain type of magic + the container?

[uneven basin]

now I'm just imagining the
tries to revive zhiraok ; not enough mana sfx

[full jackal]

I didn't pick that option

Is that what happens when you try to reach into your weapon?

[uneven basin]

no I just tought it was funny that the trinket would do that the first time when it fails

[full jackal]

Tbh I don't think the game does a very good job at explaining who the player even is

Are we just a placeholder?

Cuz it seems like we are all the way up until fruma

When we're suddenly characterized

[slim belfry]

||Focus on your weapon.
You tighten your grip on the weapon in your hand. You concentrate on the points of contact, the feel of it pressing against your skin.
Through the weapon, you feel the singing hum of magic in the air around you. A sensation like warmth, like rain, like soil, like wind, like static... it is familiar.
Your focus draws inwards, pulling the hum with it. Towards the center of your body, your self, your soul. Flowing within, a rushing river - of magic, of mana, familiar. You know it well.
Points of contact - your grip on your weapon, and the charm in your other hand. You push the mana outwards, divert the river's course, and watch it flow out into the charm.
And just like that, the hum fades, and the river returns to its natural course. The revival charm is charged.
Holding it, the sensation is unlike anything you have ever felt before. Energizing glow, soil and steel, raging ocean, and... you. A catalyst. A hum in the air.||

[full jackal]

Sorta

Actually not really what am I saying

[spring kernel]

it doesn't "not do a good job at explaining"

it just doesn't tell you

[slim belfry]

there's a fun distinction made between the two

I noticed it when looking at both options

the weapon seems to focus on you, yourself, your familiarity
the bottomless well focuses on inside the emptiness, something not of yourself, something else

[full jackal]

something else huh...

[slim belfry]

we don't know what it is

[full jackal]

Anyways, how come soldiers still attack you post-apost

Do they not see the tornado in the sky

[slim belfry]

same reason why soldiers in the palace attack you

oh you meant all of them

I think Tasim mentioned one reason as to why

[hybrid gazelle]

Their leader no longer there so command is in chaos

and some of them likely too royal to her majesty or the queen

lancer lierally kill themselves before you could kill them

[full jackal]

Are they like queen maga

[hybrid gazelle]

to many people in Fruma, you are just terrorist

that responsible for a lot of death

[slim belfry]

crazy seeing that the first time

[full jackal]

Is it weird that I feel bad for ||Anathema||

||Like yea she did a lot of terrible stuff sure, but she did believe that she was doing the right thing ||

||And in the end she was balancing Orphion and Saphanis to prevent them from ruining everything||

[hybrid gazelle]

she definitely has some understandable motive

she still fascist dictaotr tho LOL

[full jackal]

yea I agree

And the auburn stuff was messed up

But like the stuff she said at the end of WTP though

But yea still.. the roughworks

And the Changelings

And everything else

[slim belfry]

I did feel bad even with all these but I was still okay with putting her down while keeping it impersonal by asking direct information

[full jackal]

Wait actually

[slim belfry]

wait

[full jackal]

Are there any post-apostheosis interactions to get

[slim belfry]

did you do the raid yet

[full jackal]

Yup

[slim belfry]

okay nvm

[full jackal]

It was pretty much free cuz I had lightbender on my team

[slim belfry]

only one

[full jackal]

awwww

I wanted to make sure ||Rex|| was okay T_T

||Her dying was actually some of the most brutal stuff I've ever seen||

[full jackal]

Where though

[slim belfry]

aledar's grave

[full jackal]

Ah. Okay

Btw what's the grace period for no spoilers cuz I don't wanna spoil anyone who hasn't finished (EVEN THOUGH THEY SHOULDN'T BE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE)

[slim belfry]

dude that was very painful to see

the portrait did NOT help at all

[full jackal]

ikrrrr

||I don't think I can ever forgive Tasim for that||

[slim belfry]

portrait boosting the emotional factor tenfold

[full jackal]

||Like I knew she wasn't dead cuz Zhiraok (I got spoiled T_T)||

||BUT STILL HOW COULD YOU TASIM ||

[slim belfry]

on the contrary I did because I'm a weird second chances guy to say the least

[full jackal]

I believe in second chances always ||(EXCEPT FOR PEOPLE WHO DO THAT WHO THE HELL DOES THAT)||

||And like Soosu too T_T Ik she made capitalism in Fruma but she was just a 120 year old kid and she had to watch her creation be torn apart in front of her||

[stray karma]

The prison rules are so wild

[full jackal]

||Wh- TASIM JUST LEAVES LIKE THAT??? WHYYYY||

[stray karma]

Give everlasting fountain water to prisonners so they never die

[slim belfry]

yeaaaah

[hybrid gazelle]

I think that only apply to Soosu

not everyone

since that board only on Soosu cell

[stray karma]

Soosu is already immortal

[hybrid gazelle]

Soosu have her use alive

no

she is not

[stray karma]

Didn't age much

[hybrid gazelle]

blesyeag

because soverigns

get wellspringwater

that how they become immortal

there literally entire world discovery for this

[stray karma]

Ahhh
Can't they refuse?

[hybrid gazelle]

blessed does not equal immortality

For soverigns so far

[dim plover]

I’m still kinda confused at why ||Rex’s arm got chopped off||

||Tasim’s pose was charging forwards, he would have to abandon that pose at the last second, do a slice on the side and then re-stab her within a moment||

||I’m still a little bit confused at why he did that if he was already aiming directly at her||

[hybrid gazelle]

I think that for retirement

[split night]

it's just the top left corner of the map, like it's right here

very big

[full jackal]

||I think he aimed for the heart, then the arm||

idk don't quote me I've only seen it twice

[split night]

I think he wanted to make it lethal but missed

[dim plover]

That would mean that he drew back the spear, did the slice then stabbed the spear back into the same spot

Because his spear was in at the end of the attack, if you rewatch the cutscene

[full jackal]

Uhh, I'll rewatch it wait

[dim plover]

From the player’s perspective it just looks like ||Tasim’s stab through her somehow created a shockwave that also tore off her arm or smth||

Like I don’t get it

How did that happen

It literally just looks like ||he charged forward with spear pointed forward, stabbed her and then the arm fell off on its own||

Maybe it’s just me but that whole part of the story seemed a little bit
Forced

Both the fact that Tasim went for it at that moment and the fact that it was ||specifically the arm||

[full jackal]

||Yea still though, why would he try to kill Rex? Queen is metamorphized, it's over dude||

[dim plover]

like, it would be perfectly understandable if Tasim was ||aiming for the arm but now it just looks like the game really wanted her to lose it, saw that Tasim missed the arm and just went “oh we kinda need her to lose the arm I guess we’ll just tear it off regardless||

[dim plover]

Anyways Tasim doing that doesn’t make sense yeah

[full jackal]

ohhh yea no right

||It just falls off lmao||

[dim plover]

It’s like the game whispering in his ear “sorry dude but we need you to do this exact thing it’s part of the script unfortunately”

[full jackal]

||Wait no he slashes twice and the arm falls off late for dramatic effect||

[split night]

I thought it's more of a desperado move from him

like one last final act as a scion

[full jackal]

Maybe he's just gone crazy

[dim plover]

I just saw the cutscene again it wasn’t visible

[full jackal]

And like he's lost in the moment

[dim plover]

The only way it could have happened is if Tasim changed poses at the last second to do the slash

[split night]

we beat him like really badly ngl, and then rex just come and arrow bomb him
i would be mad too

xd

[dim plover]

His charging was pointed straight forward, I want to remind you

[full jackal]

||Yea i know but there were two splashes of red. One on the chest, one on the arm. Arm falls off late for dramatic effect.||

[dim plover]

Then he randomly just decides to change from a stabbing motion to a slashing motion just for the lulz or smth

[full jackal]

Okay this is probably cope but..

||Maybe he starts with stabbing motion then raises it mid-way and slashes the arm off first and then the heart and then at the end that's why it looks like his spear was piercing the chest????||

||OR MAYBE THE DOUBLE SPLASH IS FIRST HIM PIERCING THE CHEST AND SECOND HIM MOVING THE SPEAR WHILE PIERCING HER (terrible wording btw) TO CUT OFF THE ARM TO AND THEN HE MOVES BACK TO THE HEART AREA?????||

Absolute copium from me

[full jackal]

Yea pretty much

Or maybe...

||He stabs the shoulder and hacks the entire arm off and then stabs the chest?||

[mossy badge]

I wonder if it is personally familiar or just whatever 🤔

[dim plover]

Basically he did a double attack when it was really unnecessary

[full jackal]

Yes.

[dim plover]

Even from his perspective he had a clear shot
He could not have been aiming for the arm dude

[full jackal]

Maybe he just got caught up in the heat of the moment or smth idk just lemme cope

[solid folio]

is there a way to meet the steel feathers and the canopy after the final quest (and beating twp)

[full jackal]

I... don't think so

[mossy badge]

TBA

[full jackal]

Also, when will we be able to tell Tasim what happened to Aledar?

[mossy badge]

When it'll get implemented 🤯

[hybrid gazelle]

wait

oh wait

you mean alt route?

[full jackal]

yea

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah not here yet

IDK when

[full jackal]

Whyyyy not T_T

[hybrid gazelle]

I think it will come in patch but we dont know

depend on when the writers finish

[full jackal]

Maybe it'll come with wastelands

Was it available in beta?

[hybrid gazelle]

noI think they said that it will come in a patch

it was avaliable in Fruma but only on queeen's recruit

but anything else has not been work yet

also wasteland is like

come out in a year lOL

[full jackal]

Sad but, I guess we gotta let CT cook

Impatience only makes the update worse in the end

Better to release a really good update that takes quite a while than a half-assed update in 1 month

[mossy badge]

March release cough cough

[full jackal]

2025 release cough cough cough cough cough oh no I'm actually having a stroke literally dies

[mossy badge]

lol

[full jackal]

Honestly I wish Fruma released 2027 and we got everything all at once

[mossy badge]

Tbh same

Or atleast a better epilogue if wastelands is more like a dlc

[full jackal]

And also PLEASE PLEASE ADD POST-APOS INTERACTIONS I NEED TO SEE IF MY FRIENDS ARE OKAY PLEASE CT I'M LITERALLY METAPHORICALLY ON MY KNEES BEGGING

[full jackal]

Yea, Apostheosis ending was kinda unsatisfying

I really wanna see ||Zhiraok and Soosu|| ||redeem themselves to the leaves|| (or at least whatever they can do considering some of the hurt they've caused)

[foggy condor]

I want to see what's behind that rune locked door

[full jackal]

SAME

Fruma doesn't even has Ult discoveries

And also the Highland caves are way too long and way too hard for lootruns

[hallow flame]

Ultimate discovery is probably coming with Wastelands

[full jackal]

oh yea right

[mossy badge]

Not sure what that have to do with what we're discussing lol

[full jackal]

they have nothing to do with it it's just that i hated doing highland caves

[mossy badge]

I mean ye fruma lrs suck

[hallow flame]

Is it possible that Second Sovereign is the sovereign of the Wastelands

[mossy badge]

No

[hallow flame]

I feel that all I hear about Lootruns is that they suck

[hallow flame]

Ah, ok. I haven’t started Fruma yet tbh, I just saw clips

[full jackal]

Those pompous asshats think that just because they're rich a~~||nd in the epstein files||~~ it means that they can have ridiculously difficult and hard to traverse caves

[mossy badge]

Spoiling urself smh

[hallow flame]

I know

Very sad

[full jackal]

Please leave immediately and do the quests (or at least up to the missing piece please please please)

[hallow flame]

Literally the first content I saw was the raid lmao

[foggy condor]

Yeah that quest is probably the best in the game

[full jackal]

Yeah I spoiled myself on|| Anathema|| too

Some idiot put it as the thumbnail of a video

[mossy badge]

W paid ad videos

[hallow flame]

So I have unfortunately been spoiled on at least 80% of Fruma, or at least the main quest line

[foggy condor]

Then do the missing piece

[full jackal]

DO NOT READ UNLESS YOU HAVE FINISHED THE MISSING PIECE IT IS SO GOOD AND IF YOU CLICK ON THIS YOU WILL NEVER LIVE WITH YOURSELF BECAUSE YOU SPOILED YOURSELF ON ONE OF THE BEST QUESTS IN ANY VIDEO GAME I'VE SEEN

[foggy condor]

Trueeee

[full jackal]

||I can't believe syndra is lesbian biggest plot twist in video game history||

That was a test to see if you would look at spoilers the actual important spoilers are here

||I was actually like "WHATWHATWHAT OH MY GOD WHAT" When the misty person was revealed to be Syndra" and when Elise died I genuinely almost cried||

[hybrid gazelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1015394899497058304/1500357511411400816/Smol_Ana.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1015394899497058304/1500357601597067325/Smol_Ana.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1015394899497058304/1500357685877542993/Smol_Ana.gif

[full jackal]

||Corpe you are so evil for composing such an amazing song for the ending||

[mossy badge]

Bro i just did apotheosis for the 2nd time but still didn't get ts smh

[hallow flame]

I will admit that I’m actually fine with spoilers because it allows me to come up with shitpost commentary easier as I play through the quest

Not fine with others getting spoiled tho

[full jackal]

"Shitpost commentary" ewewewewewewewewew

Welcome back

TO SLOP LIVE

Today's slopic

[hallow flame]

Whoops

[full jackal]

Sorry about that I saw the word commentary and immediately flinched

[hallow flame]

Nah, I would just horribly explain plot lines to my roommate

[foggy condor]

||the fact that Elise has just been there the whole time is crazy||

[full jackal]

||but yeah I wish Elise was mentioned or at least hinted at by Syndra or the leaves at least once before Echoes of Change||

[hallow flame]

Realm of Light turned into “How I convinced an elf that violence was completely fine”

[full jackal]

Lari was annoying ngl

She's so pretentious

wahwahwah violence baddddd

Womp womp buddy this is a video game, get over yourself

[hallow flame]

It was so cathartic to fight her

[full jackal]

I wish we killed her

[hallow flame]

You are then immediately hit with the longest text scroll in the game

[full jackal]

Should've done that when we had the chance

[full jackal]

Not compared to anything in Fruma

[hallow flame]

The worst bit was that I was playing with Voices of Wynn, so I felt obligated to listen to all 56 lines of dialogue

[hallow flame]

Oh God

[full jackal]

Don't worry Fruma isn't nearly as boring

Cuz stuff actually happens in the dialogue

Not just pure exposition dumping

[hallow flame]

Guardian of the Forest about to waste my time with stuff I already know:

https://tenor.com/view/wise-tree-wisetree-mrpeebles-mr-peebles-wisetree-cat-gif-10635763895708538655

[full jackal]

Like just give TLDR: ||Light and Dark hate each other, at perpetual war, Dark send parasite to invade lightland, lari fight parasite, corruption consequence of war. Now balance is doo doo fart. Done.||

[rich blaze]

"this may be shocking to you, wynn solider, but there is something that you need to know that may be shocking to you, wynn solider, because you need to know it, and it will be shocking to you, and that is that that which plagues the province that is known as Decay, and this may be shocking to you, but you need to know this, despite it potentially being shocking or harmful to your mental health, is lwk not good"

[hybrid gazelle]

using ROL is bad example

becuase ROL made in crunch time

and CTs were overwork

so even then ROL is just product of its circumstance

[full jackal]

DESPITE IT BEING THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTLINE IN GAVEL???

[hallow flame]

Genuinely

[hybrid gazelle]

Gavel reborn was weird time

ROL rework will be work on someday

[full jackal]

Gavel reborn was a great update don't gemme wrong

But man, take your time please

[hybrid gazelle]

again it complicated from what I heard

but CT certainly learn from it

[full jackal]

Cuz every single time I play through RoL I wanna tell that goddamn tree to make like the Amazon and fell itself

[hybrid gazelle]

so it is what it is

ROL rework will come later

so as AJB/AJF

[full jackal]

Welp, at least Fruma is way better

[hallow flame]

AJF rework should end with us pulling out a Tommy gun like Joseph Joestar and lighting up Aledar

[hybrid gazelle]

why

[hallow flame]

Because it would be very funny

That’s why

[young dock]

https://tenor.com/view/muda-muda-giorno-giovanna-jo-jo-gold-experience-muda-gif-14208660

[hybrid gazelle]

but hwy Aledar

[young dock]

Type of shit we’re doing to aledar

[hallow flame]

Do you not know how AJF ends

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah Aledar offer himself to be sacrifice

what about it

[young dock]

Gotta really nail in to Tasim that WE hate aledar obviously

[full jackal]

||Aledar's power was honestly really underwhelming like wdym you just are useless and do nothing I thought you were really strong or smth from all your adventures||

[hallow flame]

My suggestion is that instead of stabbing him, we turn him into Swiss cheese

[hybrid gazelle]

AJB/AJF was written

very oddly

[full jackal]

||Also really we don't really get to see the friendship between Tasim and Aledar develop||

[hybrid gazelle]

it will get remake later down the line

it proably get remake before ROL tbh

from what I heard

but take it with grain of salt

aside from festival

the relationship between aledar nad tasim will be expand more later as mid game get updated

[hallow flame]

Aledar and Tasim appearing in Sticky Goop to turn that quest from F tier to C tier

[full jackal]

Yea, that is true, I guess it's just after how good Fruma was suddenly all of the other parts of the game look underwhelming by comparison (not that it's bad or anything I still really enjoy the early-game remade quests and lake Gylia quests)

[full jackal]

I actually liked that quest ngl

[hallow flame]

I did not

[full jackal]

Exploring that cave was cool

[hallow flame]

The sand part was annoying

I don’t like sand

[full jackal]

It was fun though, the desert mobs are fun

And you never know what you're gonna get with the sand

[hallow flame]

It’s coarse and rough and irritating

And it gets everywhere

https://tenor.com/view/i-hate-sand-gif-2743302484875254134

[full jackal]

oh wait no

This is #📚lore_discussion

why are we talking about this

[hallow flame]

Yeah, let’s get back on topic

[hybrid gazelle]

from what we know'

[hallow flame]

Sohso is the Roaring Knight

[hybrid gazelle]

the timeline of the game(the story in game rn)

will be extended to be more than 1 year

so Tasim and Aledar relationship would be less like they sepnd 1-2 months with eahc other

[full jackal]

Have we fully deciphered Tahkashtel?

[hybrid gazelle]

It's conlag

it's its own language

[split night]

I don't even think anyone thought of the timeline in this game as less than a year xd
with all of our achievement, it's near impossible to get all that in a single year

[hybrid gazelle]

so you have to decipher like you are trying to translate actual ancient language

[full jackal]

Those are very common

[hybrid gazelle]

the shrine, rosetta stone is few place where we can draw direct comparison

[hallow flame]

The speedrunning player:

[full jackal]

True

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but the game say it is

so yeah

[full jackal]

Honestly I only started getting into conlangs 2 months ago

[hybrid gazelle]

that will be fix

[full jackal]

So I don't actually know much

[hybrid gazelle]

there also implication that Tasim will feature in Orc War

Aledar will be feature in Troms

[full jackal]

Also I really hope Wynnic and Gavellian actually get their own conlangs too

[full jackal]

Let's goooo

[hybrid gazelle]

They dont

they just fonts

[full jackal]

I know but if they DID

[hybrid gazelle]

oh

that

[full jackal]

that'd be aura

[hallow flame]

You get alternate English script

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK depend on if they willing to go back

[full jackal]

And maybe give Almuj desert it's own dialect/branch

[split night]

separation between the game mechanic and the story is important
and beside, telling Lari is just a game the moral equavalent to telling a pacifist it's all matrix after you force her to kill someone xd

[full jackal]

And the Olm too

And also it'd be cool to have a high Gavellian and a low Gavellian

[hallow flame]

lol ik

[full jackal]

And also Dogan

And Dwarvish

And Elvish

And maybe Formal Elvish for communication with orphion and holy texts

[hallow flame]

Maybe Low Gavellian is just really similar to Wynnic

[full jackal]

Like Bibilical hebrew and hebrew

[full jackal]

THEY COULD HAVE LOAN WORDS

AND INFLUENCE EACH OTHER SLIGHTLY

And also maybe Dernic???

[hallow flame]

Maltic becomes almost unintelligible due to how many loanwords and slang appear

[hallow flame]

Probably coming in Dern update

They could theoretically use the illager script already in Minecraft

[full jackal]

WE COULD HAVE A GAVELLIAN/WYNNIC CREOLE

[mossy badge]

This will happen in 2267

[mossy badge]

Dogun script exists btw

[full jackal]

really?????

[mossy badge]

Ye

Its just english with a dif font tho, no conlang

[full jackal]

Oh yeah and also maybe Wynnic should be a descendant of Tahkashtel, that would make sense

I still have problems using h as a coda though

Really hard to pronounce from a chinese/english perspective

as in "tah" or "leh" or "mauh"

Also maybe it's just me but the phonology of Tahkashtel is really weird

Like wdym the "TH" sound

[mossy badge]

Wynnic existed at the same time as fruman, maybe even before

[full jackal]

Is it θ or ð????

[hallow flame]

Which one

Oh, you just asked that

[full jackal]

And is the rhotic a trill, a flap, or an approximate???

And if it is is it alveolar or retroflex?

ɾ,r,ɽ,ɹ,ɻ,ʁ or ʀ???

[mossy badge]

What am i even seeing 🥀

[full jackal]

what I learnt from watching linguistic videos for too long

"ɾ" is pronounced like American english's ladder

the "dd"

[mossy badge]

How are u even sending 6 different Rs 😭

[full jackal]

IPA typer

"r" is the spanish r

rolled r

"ɽ" is the American English la"dd"er but pronounced more back

Behind the Alveolar ridge

[mossy badge]

ɾ and r look the fucking same

[full jackal]

"ɹ" is regular r

[slim belfry]

huh what's the difference

[full jackal]

One is a flap

[full jackal]

other is an approximate

[hallow flame]

No, they’re different

[full jackal]

One has a tail on top

One does not and that one is the falp

*tap

[slim belfry]

no I meant what's different between dd and d

[full jackal]

"ɻ" is like r but pronounced in the same part of the mouth as "ɽ"

[mossy badge]

Ye they can still look the same 🤯

[slim belfry]

why the distinction

[full jackal]

Ladder in American is the flap

Ladder in International is the plosive

Like you tap the alveolar ridge instead of placing your tongue on it

[hallow flame]

Oh yeah

[full jackal]

"ʁ" is when you move your tongue so backwards that it touches the uvula

"aka the thing that looks like a inappropriate biological thing at the back of your mouth"

And then let a tiny bit of air pass through

While vibrating your vocal chords

ʀ is that but trilled

[full jackal]

Like the Danish R

[hallow flame]

So it’s the rolled R sound

[full jackal]

isn't that the alveolar trill?

[hallow flame]

Idk

I’m just trying to approximate it

[full jackal]

Any of those could be the "r' in tahkashtel because they're all rhotics

[hallow flame]

Salted needs to do a stream entirely in Tahkashtel

Just to answer this question

[full jackal]

Also is "l" l, ɭ, ɬ or ɮ

[hallow flame]

I love liquid consonants

Such an amazing thing

[full jackal]

and is "h" ħ, ʕ, h, or ɦ

Are consonants aspirated?

[hallow flame]

Personally, I would go out on a limb and attempt it using English pronunciation rules

[full jackal]

So just...

[hallow flame]

Because when I tried it that way it sounded logical

[full jackal]

a, e, i, o, u, m, n, pʰ, tʰ, kʰ, s, ʃ, f, θ, h, r and l?

ALSO WAIT

I noticed something

[hallow flame]

Probably

[full jackal]

There are no voiced consonants

So th is probably θ

It also means we can rule out ʕ, ɦ

Keep in mind all the others can still be devoiced

Like ɹ̥

as in the indo-european for transport

kɹ̥sos

"i think"

"probably"

[hallow flame]

This is all built upon having no frame of reference

[full jackal]

Yes T_T

Also there's no in-game explanation for why Wynnic is just a cipher for English

Does that imply that there's some kind of connection between our world and WYnncraft canonically

Gavellian too

That would make Wynnic a Cipher for Gavellian

and Dogun

Which would link all the languages together

Maybe there's some sort of sound shift

Also how come the villagers from Gavel were able to Come to wynn so easily

If we have irl as a reference Humans would've sent them to camps immediately

"corruption war?" Yea right like they would stop racism just for an existential threat

[mossy badge]

No

[mossy badge]

Apply for ct and make wynnic a conlang

🤯

[full jackal]

Dude... I don't think ct accepts people under the age of 15 -_-

[mossy badge]

I mean there's an option for like 13-16 or whatever, also below 13 lol in ct application and it wouldn't be a paid job anyway

[full jackal]

Ugh... maybe after I finish my own conlang first T_T

I might seem like I know a lot, truth is I've been holding off on studying syntax because SYNTAX IS HELL

So I just study phonology and phonotactics

Except phonotactics is still super scary

Syntax apparently has moods, aspects, tenses(which are like aspects not not really), persons, inflections, noun classes (such as masc, fem, anim, inanim), verb conjugations, inflections, agreement, exceptions, word order, synthesis

DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON TONES AND ORTHOGRAPHY

And also naturalism

Evolution

Sound shifts

protolangs

Dialects

[dim plover]

Hey Two what's wrong why are you so sad

[warm flicker]

congrats on her coming out

[edgy loom]

gay two before the alt path is crazy

[split night]

Two yuri

[summer bluff]

Dude holy shit hooooooly shit

[dim plover]

hehehehehehehehehehehe

[summer bluff]

Let's go? LETS GO??

[dim plover]

I think some of you might be catching on to what this cutscene is

See you all in the morning I'm heading out now

[lavish knot]

Oh hey I need some clarification

Is the queen's name public knowledge or is it only a few that knows it?

[slender copper]

What are you cooking.

[split night]

Her's Majesty name is not public knowledge
only a handful few know about it

like on the scale of 10 fingers

[lavish knot]

👍

Imagine one of them accidently says it out loud lol

[split night]

it's like deadnaming a girl
her name literally mean pain and suffering so i don't think the handful that know have the ball to say it xd

[hybrid gazelle]

I think only two know

[lavish knot]

That'll makes sense

[granite gate]

we almost named her catherine

[split night]

what reason can the name catherine be materialized for her's Majesty

[hot timber]

couldve been her "public" name

altho i suppose simply calling her "her majesty" carries more aura and divinity

[granite gate]

content team member
when i say almost it was floated for like 5 minutes

[split night]

anathema is a cute name when i didn't know what it means

xd

[lavish knot]

Reminds me of an anthem, or whatever the spelling is, its a type of dagger

[sterile grotto]

What happens if u told Tasim about aledars death in Overture in to despair

[radiant harbor]

Currently you can't tell tasim about aledar in queen's recruit

[mossy badge]

Only different dialogue

When it'll get implemented, the events will play the same, only dialogue will change

[sterile grotto]

oh i thought you could tell Tasim based on the quest wiki, is the wiki wrong?

[mossy badge]

It might be based on beta

[sterile grotto]

i see, thanks!

[exotic bough]

More so poorly worded

It’ll be added soon but I should’ve specified that’s what the time period spans

[regal spire]

Why did Majin pursue a child

[mossy badge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/829749238388752436/1488448462705135697/togif.gif

🤫

[rich blaze]

so do we like

not speak his name

does it call him

[regal spire]

It explains why Majin doesn’t have a partner

[rich blaze]

hes a stalker

[mossy badge]

He'll get summoned and u'll get cooked

[regal spire]

If you’ve done A House Divided, you should be able to taunt Majin with his gross, predatory obsession

[rich blaze]

that'd be funny lol

[regal spire]

And, if you have done both Qira and that, you should be able to specifically mention knowing her

[mossy badge]

"Worse than Thalas?" thumbnail ahh

[regal spire]

A “worse than Epstein” thumbnail is very appropriate for Majin

[rich blaze]

wait no thats not good

lemme fix

[regal spire]

Good enough

[vapid peak]

TRUE
I said "Gale sends her regards."

[regal spire]

That’d be tuff af

[vapid peak]

I really don't know if I'm satisfied with his death

On one hand, he did do it to himself by drawing too much power, poetic for his hubris

On the other... I didn't get to land the killing blow.

[rich blaze]

new meme

[regal spire]

This could work with basically everything, too

[hot timber]

how old was big M back then

seeing as he became sovereign like 2 years after the incident probably quite old already

[mossy badge]

He should be in place of big E instead

[regal spire]

18-19. Bro was in his 20’s while she was still a teen

[hot timber]

this is the worst thing a sovereign has ever done

[regal spire]

Unironically, though

[rich blaze]

yeah

[regal spire]

Never thought the A in Majin would mean “A predator”

[vapid peak]

[rich blaze]

M: majestic
A: A predator stalker
J: joke about the majestic part
I: i dont know what to put here
N: nasin hater

lwk majin is a bum

even died cause he cant control his own magic

[hot timber]

would zhiraok call majin a slur

[vapid peak]

I don't think it'd be necessary

[slender copper]

👆

[regal spire]

Zhiraok is the most composed and reasonable of the sovereigns, given his upbringing

He’s not one for name calling. But Majin? Majin’s comically mean

[hot timber]

it would be a pretty big oversight if they didnt let us go on a date with zhiraok in the butterfly effect chapter

[regal spire]

Dude, Zhi has Xao

[vapid peak]

Majin is just unlikeable by design

[hot timber]

polycule

[regal spire]

No thanks

I don’t share fr

[hybrid gazelle]

wtf you mean Zhiraok hate our ass

he still is

even after Apotheosis

he literally call us a murderer LOL

[regal spire]

We are murderers, remind you

[cinder cedar]

murder hobos

[hybrid gazelle]

So yeah Zhiraok relationship with the player si not that good

[regal spire]

Zhiraok is not gonna forgive our sins, just because we helped the province once

[hybrid gazelle]

Player is far from murder hobos

[regal spire]

I doubt he’ll actively pursue us, but I do not think he would just straight up go “hey! My buddy! We killed the queen, man! Let’s fuck!”

[hybrid gazelle]

Zhiraok probably would prefer player and him to keep distance

[keen gate]

not gonna lie zhiraok has pretty good reasons to hate the player you did kill like a bajillion soldiers for no good reason at least on three separate occassions

[slender copper]

(spoiler to avoid drawing attention)

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah Zhiraok still work for the people

so you killing bunch of guards does not really like speak well to him

even tho it mostly self defense

[regal spire]

Lightest of light emphasis on “mostly”

[uneven basin]

These soldiers had families I'm fine with a strained relationship with Zhi as a consequence of our actions

[regal spire]

I’m hopeful that Zhiraok will offer Tasim the family he needs rn

[hybrid gazelle]

Tasim does not necessery need family he just need to find new friends LOL

[slender copper]

Which in a way can be family.

[regal spire]

Tasim needs something to attach himself to, and I think true friendship is of similar connection to that of family, which is what Tasim needs

[hybrid gazelle]

traveling around the world and only have few acquitance

truly

[regal spire]

Aledar gave him that love—whether platonic or romantic—and I hope he can at least attain a similar feeling with the available sovereigns, and work with them to build a better fruma, and a new family for him to love

I wonder, though, if his biological family (or even previous friends from Fruma) are still around

[cinder cedar]

I don't think Tasim is going to stay in Fruma after what happen at the brdige

[hot timber]

oh no here comes the dern update

tasim gets obliterated by bak'al to set him up as a powerful villain

[regal spire]

Maybe it’s just me, but I believe in genuine apologies, and actions that support it. I think Tasim is entirely redeemable, even in the eyes of the rebels, which would potentially justify him having the time to rebuild connections in fruma

And then he dies in Dern fr

[cinder cedar]

think about it; Tasim has in Fruma; 2 work acquaintances and is enemies with Leaves

[slender copper]

If that happens, the player technically loat both of their closest friends in the darkness.

[hot timber]

yeah

i can see it happening honestly

or maybe if aledar dies to dark tasim dies to light

[regal spire]

I’m actually more worried about if Sui or Zeph die in the raid

[hybrid gazelle]

likely not

cause as what it currently is

having character just die "offscreen" kinda weird

the only thing I see this if we get Raid storym ode

which is not any time soon

[regal spire]

The story raids should solve that issue, though

[cinder cedar]

I don't think Sui or Rex would be as generous as you, but he does need to do a bit more than help with the raid and pay his respects

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but I highly doubt it will be work on anytime soon and I dont think they will factor it in Fruma story

[regal spire]

Until they add some post raid interactions with these bozo’s, there’s a chance one of them doesn’t kill the bomba in time

[hybrid gazelle]

so Sui and Zeph likely woudl be alive

[hot timber]

zeph has to travel the world with his bf

[regal spire]

I actually think Rex would be closer to forgiving him than Sui, tbh. Sui’s been completely incapable of expressing anything healthy, and I think it’s gonna culminate in a complete and utter failure to control herself when she needs to. (Aka, in raid, or after it for Dern)

[hybrid gazelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1015394899497058304/1500357685877542993/Smol_Ana.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1015394899497058304/1500357601597067325/Smol_Ana.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1015394899497058304/1500357511411400816/Smol_Ana.gif

[regal spire]

Where are they going

[slender copper]

Something tells me with what Two warned Sui is going to happen in the next update in some way.

[regal spire]

Since Fruma is only ATLA references (), Sui must pull a Zuko but in a weird, wiggly line

[slender copper]

What's ATLA?

[vapid peak]

Yeah, I am genuinely concerned for Sui. She has been spiraling since the festival in Timasca and the LAST thing she needs is to go to the REALM OF WAR where you get a megadose of corruption by simply being there (this is what that 3rd raid "buff" represents btw!!!)

I've been drawing connections between her and Theorick and it does not look good for her

[warm flicker]

zhiraok and syndra's friendship is so tragic because it seemed that zhiraok genuinely wanted the best for syndra despite her circumstances, and she took advantage of that. Of course she took advantage of it to help all of us out, but still poor Zhiraok

[slender copper]

And it doesn't help that her motif is in Zhiroak's boss fight, poor Zhiroak...

[crude zealot]

<3

[vapid peak]

"You're supposed to be our spy, not running an orphanage"

[crude zealot]

beats Elsa

[mossy badge]

imp imperial cath catherine cath

[full jackal]

why do y’all hate majin did he kill your third child or smth T_T

Personally I was actually really sad when he died

[vapid peak]

Extremely unlikeable personality

What he did to Gale (she was 14, he was in his 20s)

[mossy badge]

I was sad when gikyo died

[full jackal]

well yea but also stop thinking about that shut up

[mossy badge]

Tho i was unsatisfied with majin's death cuz its too silly lmao

[vapid peak]

???

That's not just something you sweep under the rug

[full jackal]

i’m going to blissfully ignore the fact that he tried to date someone 6 years older than him (that is a joke i swear its a joke)

[full jackal]

wait but actually though?

i thought he was like 17

[vapid peak]

NO

[mossy badge]

Uni is 18+

[full jackal]

i guess i got tht timeline wrong

[hardy rose]

I disagree.|| I think Zhiraok is maybe a decent person at heart but he deluded himself into thinking he could do good within the system. Who knows what Zhiraok had to do to become a viable candidate for sovereign, probably oppress a bunch of Fruma people. It would be an inevitable outcome after hundreds of years that Zhiraok would betray the crown due to his ideals or they would corrupt him to be like everyone else.||

[vapid peak]

My thoughts about Tasim too

||These two had pure intentions but ultimately they flipped from the crown far too late. ESPECIALLY. TASIM.||

||Only after she tears a hole in the sky does he express remorse||

[full jackal]

Oh god majin is actually a p[i don’t think i can say that word on this server]phile

[vapid peak]

That's what we have been saying

[full jackal]

that is true though

i think tasim reflects an attiude that although decreasing in modern years

is still very prevalent

[vapid peak]

Mhm

System's rotten

[hot timber]

did the ancient fruma civilisation have a name for itself or for fruma

[vapid peak]

Tear it all down and start anew with civil rights as undisputed law

[full jackal]

||The thinks that if he does bad things within the system, he can remake the system||

[mossy badge]

There is "fruma" in ancient fruman

[full jackal]

thats pragerU ahh propaganda narratives

[hardy rose]

Wymncraft out here calling for a violent working class revolution

[vapid peak]

Y E S

[mossy badge]

"EVROVMATH"

[full jackal]

based and redpilled

[hot timber]

i see

good enough thanks

[full jackal]

||Truth is, you’ll end up harming more people than you could have with an earlier, more stern change in system||

i can’t blame tasim for thinking the way he does

but i can never forgive him for what he ||did to rex||

[subtle galleon]

I dont think he was trying to date her though? I saw it more like an effort of making Gale's stay on the university living hell because of his hatred for the house of Nasin. But maybe I just misunderstood her diary.

[full jackal]

ehh, imma check the wiki to relook at the secret discovery

[full jackal]

yeah no wait

i think thalas was just trying to be annoying

||Also there’s no way he’d ever flirt with a girl ||

[regal spire]

Tbf, he hoped she wouldn’t ever get to that point, and wanted to help in the war of realms. Too bad it didn’t matter

[regal spire]

Regardless of romantic advances or not, he’s still a predator. The main issue is that he’s preying on the vulnerable nature of a child to get some kind of sadistic pleasure

[whole river]

The Majin files

[full jackal]

that is true, but I feel like the former is much worse. Not that constantly pissing off one girl to entertain yourself is an okay thing to do, mind you, but at least it fits in much more with his personality. ||I mean I always thought of him as a weirdo sorta guy but I hope to god he isn’t an actual groomer||

[drifting aurora]

syndra and zhiraok's friendship is so very complicated and i love it for that

[full jackal]

Magbe I’m underplaying his depravity just because he has pretty priviledge idk

||speaking of zhi it took me an embarassingly long time to figure out how he didn’t die||

[drifting aurora]

i want to edit the cutscene in revelations to have the clock pop up above him at the end

[whole river]

Damn automodded. I was gonna say i always saw majin more as annoying than anything else but can’t say it’s impossible

[full jackal]

||i thought sovereigns couldn’t die and I was so confused when Gikyo didn’t come back T_T||

[drifting aurora]

sui's going through it, huh

[vapid peak]

Understatement

[drifting aurora]

lol

[full jackal]

||That.. That isn’t the corruption ring, is it?||

[whole river]

Sui is like permanently fucked 😭

[full jackal]

Spoilers for deltarune:|| Sui gives me massive snowgrave vibes||

[drifting aurora]

see i actually dont think that comparison holds too well past a surface level

[full jackal]

Yea, that’s why I said vibes instead of actual similarities

[drifting aurora]

fair nough

[exotic bough]

yes but have you considered ice and "watch what happens when i use a spell i dont know!"

[drifting aurora]

yea, surface level

[exotic bough]

character arcs are totally different

noelle is being tormented by the soul to essentially turn her into an ultimate wepaon
sui is going down a path of self-loathing and anger at things out of her control

or smth like that

[full jackal]

Look I finished lv. 114~119 content in one sitting I haven’t actually had nuanced opinions about any of it yet

[warm flicker]

we need a new quest where we find sui a therapist so she can work this out

[full jackal]

||Noelle was mostly pushed to do what she did. Sui is pushing herself. ||

[exotic bough]

post wtp interaction i hope

there needs to be a ||syndra and mora funeral at the leaves' base post wtp||

[full jackal]

i think ||only Tasim|| has one

[whole nebula]

wasteland expansion with a post wtp quest that ties everything up PLEASE I BEG YOU

[exotic bough]

kinda weird how those deaths just end up as plot devices and dont have any ramifications outside of that

[drifting aurora]

yeah

the tasim interaction i had written up already years ago lol so i could put it in

[whole nebula]

IMO Syndra's was fine but Mora's felt too much like a plot device

[drifting aurora]

we'll probably end up adding some smaller post-raid npc interactions before we do the proper epilogue

[full jackal]

||I mean, mora was ngl kind always on the sidelines to me. He always served as a supporting character to Sui and Syndra, and he served his role well. So, I wasn’t all that surprised when he died tbh, I was kinda sad, that’s it. If it had to be anyone it was gonna be him. (IN MY OPINION)~||

[warm flicker]

how dare u make me sob like that

[exotic bough]

proper epilogue as in butterfly effect or big proper epilogue that isnt a quest (for lack of a better word)?

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-reverse-smile-ishowspeed-confused-gif-17362243368421867313

[drifting aurora]

butterfly effect

[mossy badge]

I got spoilered

[drifting aurora]

but that is a big proper epilogue

[drifting aurora]

fun fact: this interaction is the reason the graveyard exists at all lol

[exotic bough]

theres also those two unmarked gravestones at the leaves' base

[full jackal]

Shooot I’m so sorry I’m typing on mobile and I misclicked before adding the last seperator

[mossy badge]

I meant epic spoiler fail mb for the wording

[full jackal]

(why are u in the discord for lore discussion if you haven’t played Fruma though)

[full jackal]

i.

hate.

you.

this is hate speech

[whole nebula]

wait what's butterfly effect

[exotic bough]

headcanon moment:|| one of those graves was where sovereign xima's body was buried out of sheer disrespect- someone who lived lavishly and too high above the commoners was buried in such a trivial manner||, then someone came along and thought thatd be a good place to build a house

[exotic bough]

idk me not think straight have a headache

[mossy badge]

Apparently pops up after apotheosis

But like i did it fucking twice and it did NOT pop up

[whole nebula]

wtf I never got that

💀

[mossy badge]

😂

[warm flicker]

butterfly effect's gonna be the post wtp questline, what u missed was basically just an announcement for it

[drifting aurora]

we ended up removing it during beta because it was confusing people

[exotic bough]

damn

[whole nebula]

ohhh ic

[exotic bough]

i have to remove it on the wiki then

[whole nebula]

wait that's peak

[mossy badge]

Ur fault for leaving it on wiki then smh

[whole nebula]

I was kinda afraid that there wouldn't be a proper conclusion to the storyline because there has never been a quest that's locked itself behind a raid completion before

but I feel like this one might be necessary

[warm flicker]

butterfly effect is essentially when tasim and us talked to yahya in alekin village leading to us leading a revolution in fruma

[mossy badge]

Funny how fruma (queen's recruit) is not raid locked

[full jackal]

there are two tasims now???

[whole nebula]

yeah just never defeat orphion and let the parasite fester there

[full jackal]

wait, does dialogue change if you haven’t done NoL

[mossy badge]

Prolly not

[whole nebula]

isn't NoL a prerequisite

[mossy badge]

They just didn't make proper reqs

[whole nebula]

wait no wrong quest

im stupid

I thought of RoL

[full jackal]

specifically in OtD

[full jackal]

you need to have done RoL V

[whole nebula]

yeah I think the quest still expects you to do all the raids

[stuck sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/time-paradox-mgs3-metal-gear-solid3-prequel-future-gif-18376055

[full jackal]

and aJF

[whole nebula]

it just doesn't lock it behind because raiding is multiplayer exclusive content

[mossy badge]

Multiplayer content in my mmorpg 🙀

It should lowk be raid locker per account atleast

[full jackal]

so, theoretically you could do ||wastelands while the world is being destroyed by anathema?||

[stuck sinew]

ig SE is only dungeon locked so nothing is raid locked right?

[whole nebula]

I'm wondering how they'll do Dern tbh, it thematically wouldn't make sense for it to not require WTP's completion but I sort of doubt locking an entire region behind the hardest raid (in PF)

[mossy badge]

It took me 2 pf tries to do it for 1st time

1st pf failed cuz ballroom

[whole nebula]

ballroom enjoyers

[mossy badge]

Like its not that crazy

[whole nebula]

no deaths on 3rd room?

[full jackal]

really? Maybe it’s just cuz I played absolution acolyte and had lightbender but i thought it was easier than all but NotG

[regal spire]

It’ll be a single quest to unlock a single, new endgame content, which would have you be given a single life to explore, complete objectives, and ultimately beat DB. Dying at all resets all the progress you made, but gives you modifiers to go back fr

[full jackal]

evil

[mossy badge]

That would be pretty roguerough

[regal spire]

3 hour long rogue like to explore RoD

[whole nebula]

RoD requires you to do outer void 🔥

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-cringe-die-laughing-gif-24902854

[whole nebula]

0% PLAYER RATE

WYNN FUCKING DIES

[full jackal]

outer void is actually way more well made than it has any right to be

[regal spire]

700 ACTIVE PLAYERS (ALL AFK IN ESPREN)

[uneven basin]

But outer void is good qwq

[whole nebula]

professions pro max

[full jackal]

i love outer void

[mossy badge]

Liff grinding > outer void 🗣️

Lief pyle has more aura then.. 🤮 scavenger

[full jackal]

But something small that i really love about Fruma

is that the miniquests have dialogue

And it’s not only just gathering resources too

[mossy badge]

Flower picking 🤑

[regal spire]

Single greatest inclusion was actual mini quests

1.18 ruined them day 1

A complete and utter failure in implementation ngl

[full jackal]

Like yeah stackpeak eggs were real difficult but other than that every one of them was surprisingly more enjoyable

Theh even had little gimmicks like with the leaf piles or the egg nests or the rare mob hunting

[regal spire]

The wooly rhino one had an entire cutscene

It was hella

[full jackal]

wait really??

[mossy badge]

It was just the caravan escorting u

[warm flicker]

dern beast is revealed to be the ender dragon, and u have to do a fetch quest before entering Dern. The realm is full of slab-spam builds made of cobblestone and oak logs

[warm flicker]

meant talk to yahya lol

[full jackal]

I really hope we get to learn more about the olm

and old man martin for that matter

i know his thing is to be mysterious

but it’d be nice for him to appear in more than 2 quests

[warm flicker]

clearly old man martin is rex's brother

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/an-iq-too-high-raven-crow-tiktok-gif-3869671553367641450

[mossy badge]

Btw do u think the ancient frumers and the olm lived together atleast sometime?

[full jackal]

clearly Xao is Cinfras from dead island’s boyfriend

[full jackal]

ehh..

The olm are probably a bit too old for that

[mossy badge]

Not really

Bencrab theorized they did interact and had battled

[full jackal]

time valley is honestly a really cool place

[warm flicker]

i think there was at least a small window of time where the Olm and Frumans interacted, before the Olm collapsed

[full jackal]

…who?

[warm flicker]

no clue, sounds important tho

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-idk-this-person-questioning-random-person-this-who-gif-5295285761881556675

[full jackal]

oh right i can’t read whoops

[mossy badge]

Was aelumia citadel constructed after the queen's arrival btw?

[full jackal]

illiteracy crisis confirmed

[mossy badge]

Cuz if it was, i think it kinda debunks the chiseled stone head theory and the builders just use it as a stylistic choice

[full jackal]

please explain what that is

i’m completely not up to date on the fruma lore

[mossy badge]

In time valley, there are statues depicting ppl fighting, the ones with the upper-hand have chiseled stone as head, bencrab theorized it meant olms

[warm flicker]

time valley was refurbished for the fruma update and they added statues with chisled stone heads, thats where i got the theory

[full jackal]

Wair, does gavel have any?

i think they might be preparing time valley for something

[mossy badge]

I mean if we'll start seeing it for random statues, it'll debunk it clearly

[full jackal]

I mean, timelost sanxtum still needs a quest

[mossy badge]

So do u still believe it? There's a statue like that in aelumia citadel

[warm flicker]

could u send a pic (dont have access to fruma on my main yet)

[warm flicker]

oh this, i think its a coincidence if anything

[full jackal]

does new abandoned mines have any?

[mossy badge]

We'll have to see if they'll use this for like random statues in gavel

[full jackal]

cuz if it has that’d be pretty strong evidence

[mossy badge]

It got revamped?

[full jackal]

or when WynnExcavation gets rebuilt

[full jackal]

completely rebuilt yes

[mossy badge]

Damn

[full jackal]

Imo wynnexcavation is a quesine with such missed potential