📚lore_discussion

[split night]

we are chaotic good gremblin

[hybrid gazelle]

So fruma would not seems to overbloat in discovery lol

[snow kiln]

I dunno if player = good

[split night]

yeah?
your Character is bad morally? xd

[snow kiln]

I feel like player is more chaotic neutral

[hybrid gazelle]

We are at closet as chaotic good
Mostly of our awful crimes is either due to misunderstanding or misinformation

[snow kiln]

killing soldiers without regard is a war crime, after all even soldiers are people

[hybrid gazelle]

You could argue it all just self defense

[snow kiln]

irl you can't kill people for self defence

only non-lethal force

unless you are going to die

[split night]

I think we are stepping close to "up to interpretation" terratory now

[hybrid gazelle]

That too

[snow kiln]

no its literally said in game

player will use lethal force and has no regard for military life

[split night]

since player's Character is unique to everyone else, there is no set and stone morality for all Character

[hybrid gazelle]

They are

Fascist soldiers

[snow kiln]

Its dialogue in the game chat

[split night]

I know it's from Tasim damn it

😭

[snow kiln]

Wynncraft is defo leaning towards deltarune in terms of how player is characterised

player is definitely their own thing

seperate from us

[split night]

you mean LITERALLY us or player's Character??

[hybrid gazelle]

Bring up thst salted wuote

[snow kiln]

THE PLAYER

[split night]

what??

[tepid blade]

I don't they are

[split night]

you are a chaotic neutral??

[hybrid gazelle]

The player character still up for interpretation

[snow kiln]

No like the soldier

[split night]

you mean the player's Character 😭
player is us
the player's Character is our baby

[hybrid gazelle]

Us as in

Our own creation

[tepid blade]

Because Deltarune is explicitly a form of meta narrative, Wynncraft isn't going in that direction

[hybrid gazelle]

We can interpret our own character

[snow kiln]

I dunno man

[hybrid gazelle]

And treat wynncraft as one big dnd game lol

[snow kiln]

I subscribe to deltarune theory

[tepid blade]

True, your character is your own character

[hybrid gazelle]

Salted literally said out of his mouth

[split night]

I don't think meta narrative is gonna work with wynncraft as well as it did for deltarune 😭

[snow kiln]

soldier has a black void within them that they pull on

[split night]

CT people literally confirmed that the player's Character is unique to everyone

[snow kiln]

perfect spot for meta narrative

[hybrid gazelle]

That foundation to build off

Both can still be true

[snow kiln]

Alright how about this

[split night]

the black void is a mask that hide a sparkle of potential 😭

[tepid blade]

Not really

[hybrid gazelle]

Player can still be up for interpretation

[snow kiln]

I will go "I told you so" when its true

[hybrid gazelle]

And we don’t know about what this emptiness is

[snow kiln]

and y'all will clip my toenails in shame

[tepid blade]

TF?

[split night]

This is a lose lose situation, WHEN is it gonna be true for us to lose?
and when is it gonna be false for us to win?

what is this

@river zodiac can you tell this man player's Character is up to interpretation

[hybrid gazelle]

https://youtu.be/rqDxNpBvtWI?t=415&si=7B2UrLS78s_hpWkv

[slender copper]

o_o

[hybrid gazelle]

Dude

We already got interview

[snow kiln]

why we pinging salted girl

[hybrid gazelle]

What we given in game

[split night]

okay the heat of the moment got to me, how do i back pedal this

[snow kiln]

you can't

[hybrid gazelle]

????

[snow kiln]

it'll just be a ghost ping if you delete it

[hybrid gazelle]

This shit do not need to ping salted at all I just confuse

[snow kiln]

so don't delete it

[hybrid gazelle]

It not that serious lol

But yeah what we present in the game rn

[snow kiln]

can I have a timestamp or?

[split night]

i'm an anxious person okay 🥺

[hybrid gazelle]

I got timestamp

[snow kiln]

oh mb

[hybrid gazelle]

Like I literally posted link with time stamp

How the fuck does being anxious lead you to ping salted???

Should not that he the opposites

[snow kiln]

That's bein trigger happy :|

[hybrid gazelle]

But yeah what we being present in the game rn

Are just crumbs according to the main writing

For now we can treat it as foundation block to build the player chadacter off

[snow kiln]

He also does say he wants to develop player backstory

it can be both at the same time

[hybrid gazelle]

That

Literally what I said lo

[snow kiln]

I've memory of goldfish

[hybrid gazelle]

Player still up for interpretation

But they do habe foundation that all shared

Just like how in the past

[formal bridge]

as usual when this convo comes up my opinion is that we'll have like, one special thing about us and the rest is up to interpretation

[hybrid gazelle]

Back then our foundation block only just “we came from Fruma”

Now the foundation expand

[formal bridge]

We are a human from fruma who was exiled and then got X power

[hybrid gazelle]

The rest is still up for interpretation

[snow kiln]

I dunno I feel like the writing and dialogue choices don't give that interpretation

[hybrid gazelle]

Player origin in the finale when it all revealed likely to be something that allow for interpretation

[hybrid gazelle]

It do

[snow kiln]

but I guess it is just a techinical limitation and scope limitation

[hybrid gazelle]

Having a choice meant your play through will be different from thenplsyer

There for your interpretation of the player will be different befause you choose what they say

[tepid blade]

it does though, while some major things will be railroaded to create a better story, but most of it is still up to interpretation

[hybrid gazelle]

Though tbh biggest oopsie probably thst you are not manaweaver due to sui conversation

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah lol

They can’t take account for every action befause some action make for entire new story

It like dnd

Sometime the gm force you to railroad in someway

[snow kiln]

what are we talking about that is up to interpretation here?

the soldier's relationships are on rails

[hybrid gazelle]

Or the player themselves have to find reason to get into trouble for story to work

[snow kiln]

which really is the key aspect to character building

[light fossil]

I got a lore question. For context I am currently combat level 112 and have not looked into nor really seen any content beyond the final quest in the Roughworks. So if someone would like to answer without spoilers (or if not possible, just tell me "you'll find out later"), I would appreciate.

Anyway, my question is: I've noticed that within Fruma there are several ways how years are marked (Notably RA, IA, NA). I assume the 2nd word means Age, but there are so many variants of the 1st letter that it is hard to gather all pieces together. It's a lot harder to figure out than Wynn's year marking (BP or AP, Before/After Portal). So yeah, any way to tie them?

[tepid blade]

Like the dialogue choices in how you react to certain plot points, ||like Tasim asking him to kill you||

[hybrid gazelle]

I guess yeah it like monster Hunter wild lol

Where our character always mentor to Nara even if 90% of the community hate Nata

[snow kiln]

yes but it does not change how tasim views you in the end

IF ||tasim killed himself||

That would change things big time

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes yoh will find out later what they stand for

[snow kiln]

then we can argue on this topic

[hybrid gazelle]

It would change yes

But

[light fossil]

Aight good to know

[hybrid gazelle]

That would make entire new story that the writers would be unable to do so

So yeah

[snow kiln]

atm there isn't really much up for interpretation within the scope of the game

[hybrid gazelle]

There is

[snow kiln]

yeah ofc there's limitations with this

[tepid blade]

It does, it changes how he reacts to some of the parts afterward, ||like he says something different when helping Sui||

[snow kiln]

lexnt is shot herself in the foot with that dialogue tree

so it does make sense

[tepid blade]

How did they shoot themselves in the foot?

[snow kiln]

its okay you don't need to know

[hybrid gazelle]

Lexnt just give some fun Easter egg for the community

The only mistake that she did

Is she reveal it too soon

[tepid blade]

What is that supposed to mean?

[snow kiln]

the less people that know the better 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

It

It not that serious

[snow kiln]

oh its not serious at all

[hybrid gazelle]

Lexnt said thst it was mistake to show the truth “route”

[snow kiln]

its just scope creep

and time

[tepid blade]

Truth route?

[hybrid gazelle]

The one where you tell Tasim the truth

Early

[snow kiln]

nah it'll be revealed never

[tepid blade]

Oh

[gloomy idol]

It's not explicitly stated but rather something you have to piece together somewhat painstakingly

[tepid blade]

okay

[hybrid gazelle]

That pretty much it

People have too much expectation

Now

Since it take long time

Tho it just she busy with her personal matter

[snow kiln]

yeah but once that gets implemented

[slender copper]

o_o ||wdym you can tell him the truth outright and not someone else do it???||

[light fossil]

I've already had assumptions where stuff like RA likely means "Royal Age" but like, what is the tipoff event that I am unaware of at my current point

[snow kiln]

see this is why I didn't want to say anythign 😭

[tepid blade]

It isn't implemented yet, but there is a planned path where you telling the truth about Aledar

[slender copper]

oh, I see.

Not implemented yet.

[snow kiln]

will not be implemented for the forseeable future

[tepid blade]

It was shown a bit early in the beta if I remember correctly, but was removed in the release

[snow kiln]

there are more pressing things to add

[slender copper]

Was probably the ||"What side would Aledar be on?" dialog in the trailer, correct?||

[tepid blade]

What?

I don't remember that

[snow kiln]

I think you meant tasim here?

cause blud is a pile of flesh now in case you forgor

[gloomy idol]

There is a lot of random dialogue and secret discoveries that mention a certain timeframe and you kind of just piece together #📚lore_discussion message (mostly spoiler free)
currently it is 120 IA

[slender copper]

Yes ||Tasim was the one that asked the player that in the trailer.||

[snow kiln]

Ohhh I see what you mean

was that dialogue in the trailer?

and no that's not what that is referring to

[slender copper]

Yeah, ||haven't found it ig yet.||

[snow kiln]

tasim is just saying out loud what he thinks aledar would do in his position cause he doesn't know he's dead yet

this dialogue is in the game alraedy

[slender copper]

o_o with the ||"you already know" dialog option from the player and everything??||

[snow kiln]

dude how about you finish fruma first, you're legit gonna get mega spoiled hanging around in the lore channel 😭

[slender copper]

I finished Fruma! That's why I'm here!!!

[snow kiln]

oh lmfao

[slender copper]

lol

[drifting aurora]

i dont think it is

[snow kiln]

is it not?

[drifting aurora]

the dialogue in the trailer with tasim is not, no

[snow kiln]

I swear tasim was questioning what would aledar do

maybe just diff dialogue

[hybrid gazelle]

In trailer one is just it lying to us

Just red herring

Because Lexnt is a trickster god and she like to misinform us

I can’t believe this

The Lying Lexnt

[snow kiln]

I'm rewatching the trailer now cause I have no clue which dialogue y'all actually talking about 😭

[celest falcon]

Just like how Majin calls you a crying sniveling baby instead of what he actually says during the quest

[snow kiln]

also we need salted's cover of whisper from the trailer its actually so good

[celest falcon]

It’s a messed up world we live in

[drifting aurora]

untrue

[snow kiln]

is she tricking us here or not ^

who will ever know

[unique pumice]

Its like in the spiderman movie where they edited out the two other spidermen in the trailer

Same concept fr

[hybrid gazelle]

Then what is this,,,,

Also I just realize this is the dam :aob:

[snow kiln]

I swear there is something similar to this already in game

[drifting aurora]

gee a conversation on the dam

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes it’s the dam scene

[drifting aurora]

i wonder if there is a context in which this dialogue would be able to play

[hybrid gazelle]

But they change the protrait

[drifting aurora]

blink

[snow kiln]

oh was this from the scrapped thing

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah and the context is something else,,,,,,

It not scrapped

It just a lot of context been remvoed

[snow kiln]

it ain't coming for a bit

[hybrid gazelle]

This is the same dam scene

[snow kiln]

?

[hybrid gazelle]

It just Tasim did not use the same protrait

[drifting aurora]

?

no

[hybrid gazelle]

Actually

[snow kiln]

which quest was this again

I keep forgetting quest order

[hybrid gazelle]

No I meant

[snow kiln]

its true colors r?

[hybrid gazelle]

There is similar dialogue

But it not the extactly as this one

It’s the one in overture to despair

[subtle obsidian]

anyone know what this says

[hybrid gazelle]

Where Tasim tell the player about which Alrdar would take side if he was still alive

[hybrid gazelle]

Hover over it

[drifting aurora]

literally hgover your mouse over it

[unique pumice]

😭

[hybrid gazelle]

It’s similar dialogue

[subtle obsidian]

im so dumgb bro

[subtle obsidian]

mb

[hybrid gazelle]

But yeah the trailer still fucking mean for making it like casual tone 😭

Why would ct do this

[snow kiln]

yeah so its the same meaning just tasim ain't shitting bullets

[unique pumice]

Yo i have no idea what ur on about bro

[drifting aurora]

surely there is no possible series of events that would lead to this dialogue instead of the one in game

[snow kiln]

rightly so but uh

[drifting aurora]

blink blink blink

[hybrid gazelle]

Oh nvm I get what you mean now

[subtle obsidian]

||does "her" in "her influence" mean the queen of fruma||

[hybrid gazelle]

I keep forgetting about alt dialogue

[snow kiln]

its aight take your time with it

[hybrid gazelle]

Sometime I just take it out of my memory

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes

[snow kiln]

yeaup

[subtle obsidian]

damn content team had it all planned. ig orphion is biased tho haha

[unique pumice]

how long ago was the current version of the lore planned out

[snow kiln]

they all be biased

[slender copper]

Yeah that's the one I was talking about!

[snow kiln]

everyone has their own agenda in wynn

[subtle obsidian]

i mean yeah

[unique pumice]

since u have things like crest of the highlands from way back ago too

[subtle obsidian]

i mean fruma has been in develiopment or at least some kind of development for 7 years

[hybrid gazelle]

@drifting aurora do you think Tasim has to shake his head everytime when the queen giving a speech

[subtle obsidian]

so thats a minimum probabky

[snow kiln]

yea its from a thing that was cut for release

[hybrid gazelle]

It like one of those youtuber who say shit like

[unique pumice]

but they've had to retcon some stuff right

[hybrid gazelle]

“I don’t condone the action that I about to show to you•

[subtle obsidian]

yeah like garoth

[unique pumice]

|| like bakal being a scion of fruma queen ||

or was that not even a retcon

[subtle obsidian]

also wouldnt be suprised if bakal gets retconned at some point'

[drifting aurora]

this is a hard thing to answer

[hybrid gazelle]

It never retcon

[snow kiln]

that's not even a retcon

[hybrid gazelle]

We just did not have enough info

[snow kiln]

that's like key point of story

[hybrid gazelle]

Retcon is when

They give us something clear

But then go against it later

Like for example Wynn migrate

From start, we were told Wynn province made up of immigrants thst escape the monarchy

However

fruma telling us otherwise

So in this case it’s a retcon

But like

I pretty sure there also otjer retcon but I forgot

I don’t wanna call ajb and ajf rrwrite as retcon cause I pretty sure that was not original intention of the dialogue anyway

I think?

Lexnt can you fact check me on this

[drifting aurora]

what specifically are you referring to

[snow kiln]

SE was released eons ago, it may have been intention then

[unique pumice]

I didnt even know those were rewritten i just checked and that completely changes my interpretation of aledar's letter to tasim

[hybrid gazelle]

The whole sacrifice the fourth thin

[drifting aurora]

oh. yeah that is objectively a retcon

[hybrid gazelle]

Oh nvm then

Huh I coukd have swore the dialogue has different intention back then

[drifting aurora]

but it's one that i've been working under for years already

[hybrid gazelle]

But like whatever

Fair enough

[unique pumice]

Cuz i was thinking the point of this was to show that aledar was willing to sacrifice tasim as well so tasim's feelings towards his death were one-sided i guess

[drifting aurora]

yeah this was never the intent

[snow kiln]

yes I think the new dialogue makes infinitely more sense

[drifting aurora]

even back in whatever blizzard festival tasim first was there

[snow kiln]

are the festivals cannon?

[hybrid gazelle]

Lexnt are yoh ready to write Tasim for blizzard fest?

[snow kiln]

they aren't right?

[unique pumice]

Are festival dialogues canon?

[drifting aurora]

festivals are psuedocanon

in that

you can consider information presented in npc dialogue to be canon

[snow kiln]

right so they don't happen but the characters are still the characters

[drifting aurora]

but the festivals do not actually occur

[snow kiln]

makes sense

aight

[hybrid gazelle]

It technically same situation as a hunter’s calling

[snow kiln]

also when will we get the siegfried is actually protag of wynn arc?

[hybrid gazelle]

It’s what if but information still relevant

[snow kiln]

still waiting on it

[hybrid gazelle]

I can’t believe Ragnar is so famous he reach Fruma

And still not in festival

I think Aster has some bias

Honeslty why would Aster do this

[unique pumice]

so will the festival npcs (like aster and them) not be elaborated on outside of the festivals and the mysteries? since i feel like there were some lore implications there

[hybrid gazelle]

There is lore

You just need to like

[snow kiln]

do we know much about him?

[hybrid gazelle]

Go through couple of estival and talking to him

I am not well versed in aster lore

[snow kiln]

seriously 😭

[unique pumice]

well yeah but if the festivals dont actually happen then does the lore actually exist

[snow kiln]

as lexnt just said

[hybrid gazelle]

Befause like it not my main interest

[snow kiln]

what the characters say is lore relevant

[hybrid gazelle]

But Aster and other festival host are siblings

[snow kiln]

but the event doesn't actually take place

[snow kiln]

o_O

[unique pumice]

im talking about the characters tied to the festivals

[hybrid gazelle]

And like

[snow kiln]

ofc they are

[hybrid gazelle]

They all die in an accident or something’?

Again I am not sure

Lexnt fact check me please

[drifting aurora]

these guys do have stories going on but they're not ever going to have an impact on the wider plot

[snow kiln]

dude whipping lexnt out like @grok is this right 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah cause she wrote it

Again you probably like

[drifting aurora]

like, festivals are weird

[hybrid gazelle]

Have to go on wiki and read it

[tepid blade]

They are the person who wrote the plot

[snow kiln]

well yeah imagine dialing andy weir about a question you had about the martian 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

Because it’s more like a side story to the main plot

well not side story more like

A singular story in a larger world

If that make sense

[snow kiln]

y'all don't got a right to keep probing her for questions

at least you ain't doing the @ salted shit I keep seeing on the wynncraft channel lmfao

[drifting aurora]

if i don't want to answer, i won't

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah she has a choice

[snow kiln]

I'm suprised you have that mindset, I would lose my shit getting pinged every 10 minutes

[hybrid gazelle]

Also I know Lexnt

[drifting aurora]

well i dont get pinged every 10 mins lol

[hybrid gazelle]

Like idk as a friend or not but I know Lexnt

[snow kiln]

I have discord blocked for notifications cause getting more than 1 ping a day triggers me, I guess it is just a me thing lmfao

[hybrid gazelle]

But yeah anyway yeah the quad bros got some lor

And family issue

I pretty sure Aster is alive while his siblings fuckinf died or something

But again I have to check

I have 0 fucking clue on the story

[unique pumice]

Yeah i just reread it out of curiosity

Basically a ritual gone wrong that killed his younger brothers

And the other 3 festival leaders are like spirit versions of the brothers but not complete

[snow kiln]

Elrick brothers, that you???

[unique pumice]

One thing i hope someone can clarify is this new interpretation of magic? At least I think its new? So the elements exist as invisible strings i guess?

And people are just born with a natural affinity to see certain ones that they can harness for magic?

And magic weapons can do the same i guess

Im struggling to tie it all together tbh

And like how metaphorical the strings actually are

[nova goblet]

Hey, will you add perchance an interaction to tasim's dialogue on dam about ||Aledar's memorial|| if player managed to stumble upon it

[drifting aurora]

in alt route maybe

[unique pumice]

I mean theres already postgame dialogue about it

[nova goblet]

It feels like this is something he would rather want to know

[drifting aurora]

he's not really open to listening to you normally

[nova goblet]

Maybe that would calm him down tho

[drifting aurora]

absolutely it would not lol

[snow kiln]

This string thing is exclusive to mana weavers, I think

[snow kiln]

Magic weapons have focci which we use to channel these strings, I think

[snow kiln]

Strings are literal, I think

[unique pumice]

But we're able to pull on them as well

And i dont think we are a mana weaver

[snow kiln]

What we pull on in that scene is not an element

[unique pumice]

Then what is it

[snow kiln]

Its something else we don't know

[unique pumice]

Still a stand of some sort as its described

[snow kiln]

Say it together folks. We don't know.

[snow kiln]

Iirc lexnt is rewriting this section

Or has done so

[drifting aurora]

?

what?

[snow kiln]

Player pulling on string in void

[drifting aurora]

no

[snow kiln]

No as in?

[drifting aurora]

i'm not changing it

[nova goblet]

Will we know more about it once lore goes more forward

[snow kiln]

Okay then, in that case kxnpo it's anyone's guess then

[snow kiln]

Most likely if she's leaving it the way it is

[unique pumice]

Based on how we are able to pull on a strand regardless of it is an element or not i assume it follows the princpiles of the other ones, so everyone can see it but some people just have an easier time seeing them without a weapon? Similar to how different races have different affinities to magic theres also variance between people which is probably obvious

[nova goblet]

I mean

Two knows something about it, no?

Or it seems so?

[unique pumice]

Apparently two knows fucking everything in the world

[drifting aurora]

. . . no, i just put it in for funsies and it will never be expanded on ever again .

(obviously yes...????)

[snow kiln]

Ong would be funny as shit

Piss everyone off

[azure tangle]

nah its totally meant to be like wynn lore from eons ago

Dullahan

uhh

[snow kiln]

We get to dern and defeat him with the power of friendship as we ride away on a rainbow :3

[azure tangle]

other gavel things

[dim plover]

Lex actually just wrote it there for coolness and aura purposes

[nova goblet]

clock mystery reference? Ong?

[dim plover]

It will never be referenced again

[azure tangle]

theres a reason for it

[snow kiln]

😭

[azure tangle]

Chronos is Oru

[dim plover]

Anyways hi what’s up y’all

[nova goblet]

Doing... something...

Idk what is it yet

[snow kiln]

Mulling over my stupid brain getting confused about the lore 😊

[dim plover]

You are making the entirety of Bloomi

I’ve decided

Now go do it

[nova goblet]

Ok

[dim plover]

Good luck

[nova goblet]

Bloomi is realm of twilight

[dim plover]

It’s a tough process

First you add plants

Then you add

more plants

[nova goblet]

Then you add... qira lore

[dim plover]

Qira is the creator of Bloomi

[nova goblet]

meet the potential setup!

[dim plover]

Genesis-Revorse is just a condensed Bloomi and once you kill it for real it’ll explode into the entire province

The Canyon of the Lost is straight-up destroyed

Man we need more fanmade Wynncraft content

Not even like, creating it to a visible form

[nova goblet]

Hidden side is almost canon

[dim plover]

I mean even something like writing about it

On the forums

[snow kiln]

Ao3s got plenty of that

[dim plover]

I guess they’ve sorta discouraged that lately

[snow kiln]

Like legit a surprising amount

More than you'd think

[dim plover]

I don’t mean fanfiction I mean the kind where you come up with a new region or questline or something

But in a non-narrative form

[snow kiln]

Ohh

[dim plover]

In more like a content suggestion format where you describe the stuff

[snow kiln]

Yeah this doesn't really happen does jt

Ig it's just because there is literally 0 information about anything outside of wynn

Except that there may not be anything at all, we dunno

[nova goblet]

Oh also

I kinda wonder how long will we have to wait until wastelands

[unique pumice]

Year ish probs

[snow kiln]

I've heard a year from fruma, no idea where this comes from tho

[hasty beacon]

An interview with salted

[unique pumice]

Where is this interview

[snow kiln]

Oh the olinus interview?

[dim plover]

That’s not a reason what

The point of suggesting new content is to make new stuff up

[snow kiln]

Well yeah but there's no foundation for anything, so building that foundation, i.e. how it's connected to Wynn, how it functions is a lot of effort. Like there are already fan ideas for wastelands cause we already know bits and pieces but there's still room to add. Same for pre fruma or pre gavel.

[dim plover]

I mean, does it need to be connected

Can just say that it’s a separate new region that’s still within the Wynncraft world

That’s like the beauty of fan content

I can literally make up an entire new island none of the other provinces know about and as long as the stuff in it is entertaining and the story is well-written I’d consider it pretty good

Although at this point I just want to see literally anything

Doesn’t even need to have a story you could have a guy draw a second Bloomi map with no plot whatsoever and I’d be happy at the mild resurgence of fanworks lol

[astral void]

Will we one day use the portal to dern?

[snow kiln]

In a neverending storyyyyyyyy

[astral void]

Is the dern beast slenderman?

[unique pumice]

One day? Maybe but you will be in a completely different stage of your life. Who knows if you will even have time to play the game by then

[lusty glacier]

i assume not since the dern beast had at least one eye

[winged narwhal]

frankly with a volunteer content team i think a lot of people who would be making wynncraft fan content are making wynncraft

i should finish my archetype ocs

[snow kiln]

This is actually a banger point @dim plover

[signal bough]

at least two smh

because the cutscene is from the PoV of the dern beast

and the PoV doesnt switch to the eye in its hand

[lusty glacier]

ah right, astute observation

[pale spruce]

Anyone care to Explain to me the lore behind CluckCluck island? Did I kill his wife? Is his wife at the Hero Festival? Did her remarry? Do we know? Sorry if this is an inappropriate use of this channel.

[formal bridge]

his wife is a different chicken

you kill bob's chicken who just happened to be there

[snow kiln]

Well bob actually gave the chicken to him

Which is mad

[pale spruce]

Oh no

[snow kiln]

Immortal chicken?

[formal bridge]

tbf the man himself is irradiated by the meteors and all bob's animals got a fraction of his power apparently

[snow kiln]

Lmfao bob's the animal beast with his scions of the farmhouse 😭

[pale spruce]

Damn. You’d think bobs chicken might put up more of a fight T^T R.I.P. thanks for clearing my conscious. Glad I didn’t widow a man.

[snow kiln]

Well chicken do only live for like 7 years...

[pale spruce]

Hey. Those are chicken years. 😅

[snow kiln]

Get nohno on the list

[signal bough]

it's not a chicken

it's heavily implied he got it from the cockatrice

[plush wren]

Welp, I didn't expect to find out what Soosu was like

Yikesss

So based on the lore, it seems that Blessings that the Queen gave out to her Sovereigns, they make them long living, if not outright immortal?

[signal bough]

it might be a separate process

and one actively maintained

[summer bluff]

well i mean there is the wellspring

[regal spire]

How do you feel about the possibility of Selium showing up in Gikyotopia (The Wastelands), and having tired eyes

[summer bluff]

wdym by that and also tell me in as much detail as possible

[regal spire]

Their portrait in the library has heavy bags under their eyes

[summer bluff]

? no it doesnt

show me

[regal spire]

I am not online rn 😔

But, go to the SD

You will SEE!

[summer bluff]

this is from beta thats literally just their normal portrait

[regal spire]

No no no, not Gik

Selium

[summer bluff]

okay im dumb

yes seluim does look like he saw a bomb drop on his house and that he can see the past and future simultaneously but idrgaf abt em

[regal spire]

But that’s Gikyo’s daddy

[summer bluff]

no tf its not

[regal spire]

Yuh huh

Selium raised Gikky

[summer bluff]

gikyo has been alive far longer than selium ever became sovereign

[regal spire]

Was Selium around at all during the age of changelings

Because he seems old, even for sovereign standards

[summer bluff]

No

the first sovereigns are all old men

except for xima

[regal spire]

Xima sucked buns, funnily enough

[summer bluff]

maybe the auburn forest couldnt handle his swagger you dont know

jealous hos all around

[regal spire]

So, we had a bunch of old heads first, and then a proposed downfall with a younger generation

Then back to old heads, I think, but now we’re stuck with babies again

[summer bluff]

shmeg im begging you to look at the timeline or else im just gonna think youre ragebaiting

[regal spire]

I am semi rage baiting

[shut hornet]

selium is more than a hundred years younger than gikyo

[regal spire]

I must’ve been thinking of Oru

[summer bluff]

did gikyo have a hand in caetals death y/n?

[regal spire]

I would assume they must’ve done something

[summer bluff]

oru is the carriage driver one frumillion percent

[fallow heart]

Is the updated timeline out?

[summer bluff]

he gravity smacked that wheel back on

[summer bluff]

is there new stuff?

[regal spire]

Their psychotic personality had an outlet as a sovereign, but I would assume Caetal’s death was jump started by the Changeling’s division’s success

[summer bluff]

have there been shadowdrops?

[fallow heart]

Like with fruma

[regal spire]

That would be a very natural development, ironically enough, but also not really, because they have records directly stating that they took specifically the caravan driver into questioning, not Oru

I’d imagine Oru has a Xao type assistant, and maybe the caravan driver is that?

[summer bluff]

give screenshots bc i never found that

[regal spire]

Fuck me 😭

Maybe it’s on the wiki

[summer bluff]

there is a timeline out yes

[neat oriole]

prob not oru because he'd be busy at the prison

[fallow heart]

Where can I find it?

[neat oriole]

because he has precise times he probably stays there to maintain those precise timings

[summer bluff]

damn youre right

[regal spire]

I wasn’t expecting Oru to be as old as they are, though

[summer bluff]

never retired, never assassinated, brochacho is on that GRIND

[neat oriole]

too washed to be on the frontlines but just the right age to manage a prison

[regal spire]

Bed by 9 because they’re 400 years old lmao

[summer bluff]

nothing good ever happens at 9:30

[neat oriole]

must've been chugging that wellspring of eternity water

[regal spire]

Or, they’re a bag of sentient skin and bones controlled by a changeling with marionette strings

[summer bluff]

i really do hope that he just looks like Some Dude

[summer bluff]

ayyyy weekend at bernies style

[regal spire]

https://tenor.com/view/abell46s-marioneta-titere-muñeco-pinocho-gif-18538862

“I am the Sovereign Oru!”

I’m super fascinated at what the Wastelands will hold, though, purely because of the implication that the area is entirely optional

[fallow heart]

Would oru be old enough to remember fruma before the queen

[nova goblet]

Yes

[summer bluff]

no

[nova goblet]

She's wearing ancient fruman drip

[regal spire]

Oru could potentially have had ancestors old enough, though

[summer bluff]

royal age happens for 200 years before sovereigns are in place

[nova goblet]

She's literally 2nd follower of queen

Right after bak'al

[plush wren]

The question is, who exactly, are we

[regal spire]

I like that Two has a similar getup to the Fruman natives of old we see in those cutscenes

[hybrid gazelle]

Tefris?

[regal spire]

Happy to see I was right that Two abandoned her people in the hope of potentially saving her world, which explains why are blessing is so “introspective”

[summer bluff]

okay im confused bc they said oru but yall are acting like they said two

[regal spire]

Is that who that is?

The one in the Architect cutscene?

[hybrid gazelle]

well I think?

cause that what translator be saying

[regal spire]

I almost assumed it to be someone blood related to Two, but that’s just cause of the getup

Maybe they all dressed like that

[frozen turtle]

Have those mythic fruma cutscenes dialogue or recorded cuz I’m too broke for mythic

[regal spire]

I am also not willing to waste a stx on Restitution fr

[fallow heart]

Ive been trying to think about it
Anathema says that have "a familiar spark"
So its something known to her
But not known to orphion or saphanis - or at least, not detected
It was also buried deep - whoever created us/gave us power doesn't want to be found
This being is also powerful - powerful enough to be a "trump card" (seeing as the queen laughs when discovering this)

[regal spire]

On the topic of old Fruma/Two, Tefris mentions the people in the Desert Empire, and that’s really interesting to me, considering just how different the emperor, Hashr, and even the emperors guards are dressed

Their attire is very different from what we see in the architect cutscene, or someone like Two

Chalk it up to different customs, sure, but does it better confirm the empire to not have access to Rune’s, or a similar kind of understanding of magic, considering the nature of their emperor

[fallow heart]

How old is the desert empire?
Like if humans came from fruma, some would have to have split off long enough ago to where its not considered a colony and either magic wasn't understood well enough, or would have become lost knowledge over the years

[regal spire]

I can’t remember if it’s older than the portal. One sec

688 BP was Hashr’s assassination attempt

So, yeah, it’s way older than the Queen’s emergence

[fallow heart]

Plus the emperor lived for like
Hundreds of years
So it would have probably been founded before 1000 BP

Yeah quicksand sd states "over 2000 years ago"
So def well before 1000BP

[regal spire]

Fruma is old. Nice

7 years in the making? Yeah right…

[fallow heart]

But is it old enough to see the original portals open?

[brittle prism]

[frozen turtle]

The people in Wynn before 0AP had near to none magical people, presumably also the Desert empire would have little.
I think, i just remember the Twain lore that they had to gather the magic people cuz there weren't like any

[fallow heart]

Probably not
Im guessing, since anathema states that they were "bound" afterwards
Meaning that before, they prob had full reign over the entire map
Which, im guessing, would mean nothing could really survive (except whoever/whatever locked them away)

[brittle prism]

Well fruma physically existed

[fallow heart]

Well hashr sees that people readily use magic in 688bp
So it was def commonplace before 0 ap

[fallow heart]

Yeah, but I reckon the fruman civilization didn't

[brittle prism]

ah

[frozen turtle]

well the lore for Twain was that once the war started, no one had magic apart from a select few the Twains who could use magic without a spell or weapon

could be an inconsitency or between the two 688BP and 0 ap magic became less and less common

[fallow heart]

Most likely the case
Either that or since the corruption started, no one really had the time to train
But bob somehow did

[frozen turtle]

"When the portal opened 1000 years ago, magic was not wielded by the hands of man." - Lusuco's Library

[fallow heart]

Genuinely just lying ig

[frozen turtle]

bob technically wasnt fully man so ig thats a different case

he also was much later on in the timeline

~850AP, which i think by then magic had been discovered

[fallow heart]

True...
Man its weird that we don't really see any living olm
Seeing as we know they were still around a couple hundred years ago (theough the deja vu quest)
And bob

[limber swan]

what if Hashr is the same species as Tefris?

the names kinda sound like they would be part of the same species

I'm guessing they are prolly gonna do some sort of desert lore rework or smth

[fallow heart]

Wait im stupid
Forgot about timeless ruin discovery

But that would imply that the remaining olm though the expanse was a good place to live

[frozen turtle]

im falling behind on fruma lore and its sad

who is tefris

[fallow heart]

A person in one of the mythic flashbacks

[frozen turtle]

oh right

stupid mythic-lore block

[fallow heart]

Real

Smh locking important lore behind a le wall

[silk ravine]

Which mythic?

[frozen turtle]

architect and 1 other

Restitution

[silk ravine]

Architect is expensive too iirc

[fallow heart]

Im pretty sure that one wintel video jacked up the prices 😭

Man the olm/SE timeline is a bit all over the place

[silk ravine]

At least the other one is super cheap

[mystic fulcrum]

So the flood event mention in the wash away discovery happen at 250KA?

[silk ravine]

Although not for a good reason lol

[frozen turtle]

ye

250 years ago is 0NA or 250KA prty sure

[plush wren]

OOh god, ok

These story quests are Long

[mossy badge]

real

Fuck the ct

There is NO reason for it !

[slim belfry]

welcome to fruma

[plush wren]

Yeahhh

I gotta say tho, everyone in Fruma is a schemer

[radiant harbor]

Majin does what he does for the love of the game tho

[plush wren]

Yes true, but he's no pushover

And things really got dire in the Echoes of Change, hoo boy..

[silk ravine]

Majin is competing for the title of wynncraft's biggest hater alongside Slykaar & Antikythera

Also the canonical team for the palace raid is the player, ||Sui, Tasim and Zeph|| right?

[slim belfry]

yes

[plush wren]

Took a ss earlier before Echoes of Change, the only time Sui became a gremlin hah

[mossy badge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/262011754450649088/1498136409389924492/Sui_Nom_NOM_nom.gif

[past plover]

I really love how much different the dialogues are now and how much more they can convey. Hopefully those who used to just skip dialogue all the time finally started to read it

[mossy badge]

Some ppl just play games for gameplay not story, i dont think they'll change

[plush wren]

Only difference is that uh.. not every NPC pre-Fruma has a portrait yet

Unless it’s only Fruma that gets it

[mossy badge]

Does aledar even have a portrait 😭

[slim belfry]

it's only fruma for now

nope

only fruma is ingame

[mossy badge]

But siegfried does smh

[slim belfry]

wait what

[mossy badge]

And heroes fest

Aster and siegfried #5 (?) has portraits

Like not even just 1

[slim belfry]

ok yeah aster does right

BUT WHAT SIEGFRIED TOO??

[mossy badge]

Ye

[slim belfry]

CAN YOU SHOW

[mossy badge]

#1129564805632643082 message

[slim belfry]

this is awesome

[mossy badge]

Crazy how they made siegfried portrait before aledar (unless they have aledar just.. don't use it for some reason)

[slim belfry]

I assume that aledar will get his when tasim gets one too

tasim pre-late game

[mossy badge]

Its also surprising they didn't make them when they made tasim post-fruma ones

Like i thought atleast in the tutorial they'd have portraits cuz yk first impression and such

[plush wren]

Speaking of Siegfried, I wonder if the portrait is gonna be different since they’re well, actors

[mossy badge]

Prolly slightly different

[plush wren]

Man villagers know no bound when it comes to greed eh?

[mossy badge]

🤑

[slim belfry]

KR rework 4!!!!

[past plover]

I'm pretty sure King's Recruit got changed at least a dozen times if not more

[plush wren]

I also wonder if boss altars and dungeons will get portraits too

It’ll be fun

[mossy badge]

Prolly among lowest priority

[cinder cedar]

Might be best to keep it to main questline npcs for now and then extend it to the most important npcs in sidequests

[plush wren]

Alright fair enough

[mossy badge]

I mean like hashr and theorick prolly will get

[slim belfry]

lari portrait is gonna be fun to see

[mossy badge]

But not rymek luke

[slim belfry]

heck non-humans in general

[cinder cedar]

I would see dr urlex get but not the mayor

When it comes to villager portiarts

[mossy badge]

How will doguns look 🤔

[mossy badge]

I mean i'd think non important villagers would just share the same portrait lol

[cinder cedar]

That or they don’t get it since they all look the same, for now

We might get a more unique villager npcs in the future but I don’t think it’s needed

[silk ravine]

I know damn well ||zeph|| is getting carried in WTP then lmao

[mossy badge]

real

[slim belfry]

playing assassin in wtp

[mossy badge]

Playing shade in general 💀

[bold geode]

A dozen times may be an understatement considering just how many reworks it got in the early prof days alone

[slim belfry]

maybe like that one old art but might be outdated

[mossy badge]

What are u talkin about

[slim belfry]

there were images of things like a dogun and a fleris I think

idk wasnt there

[edgy loom]

do we have any info from the CT on the fruma alt path

[plush wren]

Now, the biggest question is, where's the 4th scientist villager brother

[silk ravine]

Acrobat can handle it

[mossy badge]

||In the wastelands update||

[silk ravine]

He learned how to use a knife a month ago, learned magic a week ago and is basically just there for moral support lol

[silk ravine]

||It's alluded to in the changeling fortress that he was hired to work for Fruma in the wastelands||

[uneven basin]

Real talk do we think we're getting a ??? Update / sequel

[mossy badge]

!!!

[plush wren]

I'm so curious how he's doing now

But time to wait

[neat oriole]

in wastelands and it gives a +500% combat xp boost

can only be started at 120

[plush wren]

I also thought of something, wonder how would the Sovereigns fair outside Fruma, and not with their prestige but only their abilities

Will ||Soosu also be able to learn more about souls in Nemract or not hmm||

[drifting aurora]

i wanted to get some siegfried portraits for heroes cause the big performance wouldve been lame without them

[mossy badge]

Whats the point of blocking some1 if u still read their messages 😂

[hybrid gazelle]

I think the souls she talking about is more of like

metaphor

as she unable to see people as people but more of matter to bend

whgich is like

very fucked up as a person

most soverigns would hold up just fine outside of Fruma

[slim belfry]

Soosu seeing a villager would be interesting

what does she see...

[plush wren]

A big nose?

[plush wren]

So basically, she needs therapy

[hybrid gazelle]

if you mean golem then IDK

;ole

Fruma hjas a lot of fucked up shit

IDK if Soosu would be phase by what golem is

[plush wren]

Don't take her to Corkus then

Fallen Factory will be wild

[hybrid gazelle]

she likely will enjoy corkus

also golem I meant villager golem

since they are vary different from other golems in wynncraft

[plush wren]

Oh the Iron Heart series? Yeah that is darkkk

[slim belfry]

well it ain't light or corruption that's for sure

[radiant harbor]

Yeah soosu has the potential to find a better, more ethical way to Orphion's conundrum in Taproot, and the war of the realms in general

[hybrid gazelle]

consider we dont see golems being use as guards

or at least nort funcitonal at one

well actually no there is actual guard goelm that Soosu made

god they are so irrelevant that it hard to remember them

but yeah Soosu probably can make more ethical golems

would be cool if we figure out how magic coudl give "sentient" to construct like golem

seems like some sort forgotten art or rare art

[plush wren]

Electromagic and Soosu would be interesting

[mystic fulcrum]

what do frightful fragment do?

[hybrid gazelle]

allow you to see the rift post Apotheosis

[mystic fulcrum]

So the rift would shows up again in the sky?

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

[radiant harbor]

Does the term "specimen" have any relevance to who we are?

[plush wren]

Possibly, we're not quite sure what exactly are we

[hybrid gazelle]

no

it just Bak'al being Bak'al

this is the same mf that keep saying peons

[narrow kestrel]

i wish gavel was more developed

[hybrid gazelle]

and I qupte

[narrow kestrel]

outside of ROL stuff

[hybrid gazelle]

"This foodhardly display of power"

he UNIRONICALLY said taht

[narrow kestrel]

chances of us getting anything related to canyon is 0

[hybrid gazelle]

with 100% complete honesty

0 hint of riony

[radiant harbor]

Yes

[split night]

hey guys if they ever remake wynnex they should add a 5th space rock type so it match up nicely with the runes and elements

[dim plover]

(And also change the Crystal in Twain Lake so it matches)

[vagrant imp]

Ooooooh the company did noooot like that adventure.

[short terrace]

what mod adds the little pictures?

[mossy badge]

😭 🙏

Its vanilla

[hybrid gazelle]

that vanilla

like

no mod require

[shut mist]

exactly

[short terrace]

wtf

why dont i have it

[vagrant imp]

Only certain NPCs have it

[short terrace]

i havent had it for any of them

[mossy badge]

99% fruma

[short terrace]

and i did a quest with siegfried like yesterday

but it was an older one

is it just the new fruma stuff?

[mossy badge]

Ye

[short terrace]

ah okay

[hybrid gazelle]

Siegfried quest did not have protrait implement

It only for certain interaction like talking to him in festival

This apply to Tasim, Jenprest, and other npcs thst appear in queen’s recruit

[split night]

i always wonder whether Siegfried actually existed or a lie that was told so long ago and pass down through generation that it became real in a profitable sense

[junior thunder]

Btw, with Anathema gone, is it only a matter of time Orphion and Saphanis fuck up the world? Or at least the latter because they have an advantage.

[split night]

yes they would fuck up the world now that Anathema is gone

it's up to us to stop both of them

[junior thunder]

Smash ultimate ahh

I mean

What even is in the world of Wynncraft now that can stand up to them?

[spring kernel]

Yep

[junior thunder]

1 sec lol

[split night]

probably us

Anathema in one of her post raid dialog referring to us as a familiar spark that Orphion and Saphanis overlooked

seems like we will need help but I think we might play a huge role in stopping calamity

[junior thunder]

Leaked Dern Expansion teaser

[junior thunder]

Besides the player

Like the Sovereigns, maybe the colossus, who else?

[split night]

the Colossus would rip gavel apart if it even tries to move

xd

[tepid blade]

Lari and possibly Bob if he is still around

[split night]

the Sovereigns have better thing to deal with in Fruma now that she is gone

[junior thunder]

Lari might as well be corrupted atp, or this

[tepid blade]

Because Bob did disappear when trying to seal away the Dern Beast

[split night]

I don't think i would see them helping beside Two

[tepid blade]

Maybe

[junior thunder]

What about the sky dragon over east gavel?

I forgot his name

[split night]

Lari probably can't be corrupted that easily but she either be looking like that image or hiding around the realm xd

[mossy badge]

Farcor

[junior thunder]

But he's said to be godlike

Ye

[split night]

not godlike

[mossy badge]

I mean powerscaling is pretty hard

[split night]

he just have a big wisdom i think

he knows a lot of stuff

[mossy badge]

Like u can also just outnumber

[junior thunder]

I guess everyone on Wynn is trash against anything from Dern

Gavel has some decent stuff

Fruma is kinda stacked

Avengers endgame gonna go hard fr

[split night]

I mean, (mostly) player's Character and 3 other human beaten Anathema
we've beaten Overtaken Orphion so I'd say Saphanis might only be a bit up in difficulty compare to the atrocity we have defeated

[shut mist]

Keep in mind saphanis is mad pissed at us for the eldritch outlook incident

[split night]

yeah, it closed the portal when it know we killed its eye

xd

[junior thunder]

Wouldn't we need some sorta company when we hop into dern? Maybe like tasim chooses to accompany us?

Or we do a wombo combo with Bob and Lari

[split night]

That is if we can even enter Dern

seems like Saphanis is on high alert

[mossy badge]

Prolly one or TWO allies will be with us

[split night]

( 🥁 )

[junior thunder]

Okay then which of the two will fuck up the world first?

[mossy badge]

😂

[tepid blade]

Also, I personally believed that Siegfried was probably always fake, as some of his adventures were hear about don’t make a lot of sense, like the dragon attacking Alsmord when dragons have been extinct on Gavel for centuries at this point

[split night]

Saphanis definitely, it is in a HUGE advantage rn compare to Orphion who just starting to heal from his injuries

[junior thunder]

Won't dude have to open the portal for that?

[split night]

so we have to stop Saphanis first then Orphion I think

[tepid blade]

I personally think that the first time Saphanis appears, we will get our butts kicked by them

[split night]

He don't need to enter the realm himself xd
just like, send some random monolith we saw in lutho all around gavel

[winged narwhal]

Why would we ever want to stop Orphion

[tepid blade]

Yeah

[shut mist]

We would need to beat up dern beast until hes as injured as orphion

[mossy badge]

🤯

[junior thunder]

Did u see the level 118 quest?

What two shows us?

[tepid blade]

They are larping

[junior thunder]

Gavel deadass gets bleached

[split night]

they are roleplaying

look at their name

xd

[winged narwhal]

Two is a biased agent of War. Orphion will save Wynn from itself

[spring kernel]

Thank you Orphion's Strongest Lightbender

[shut mist]

Is that guy lights new scion

Oh fuck

[winged narwhal]

Gavel gets freed from its suffering

No more Decay, no more wars between orcs and villagers

[junior thunder]

What, will bro make it ?

[split night]

did someone mention FREEDOM

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/murica-merica-america-usa-us-gif-4163007710547964960

[junior thunder]

I think I have a friend inside me

[junior thunder]

KNOCK KNOCK ITS THE UNITED ISLANDS OF LIGHT

[split night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1155285646022279238/1391084333640712222/Bouncy_Bouncy.gif

[winged narwhal]

Orphion will bring true freedom - freedom from suffering, freedom from hunger, freedom from strife

[split night]

FREEDOMMM

[shut mist]

I guess next thing we know is bak al getting sent to our house for some damages caused inside the outlook

[junior thunder]

Freedom from cloud strife?!?

[winged narwhal]

The world keeps us shackled - He will free us

[junior thunder]

What will I do without Final Fantasy 7?

Still, another thing

We ignore the true nature and scale of the world

[mossy badge]

Where is fr*nce?

[dry aspen]

truly the Smash Bro's of the fandoms

[junior thunder]

It needs a bigger zoomout

[split night]

what is this planet why is there so many islands

[dry aspen]

I see Five Pebbles, good taste 👍

[junior thunder]

Can't wait for the Zanza raid in the Bionis Expansion

[slender copper]

I think it's really funny that the entirety of Faerun the dnd map is in this map technically lol.

[spring kernel]

i love when salted just posts shit from the staff discord

[junior thunder]

Okay this is canon now cool

[narrow kestrel]

man

the dwarves are assholes

molten heights is HUGE

couldnt they just share

😭

[split night]

the royal dwarves are asshole not the citizens

[narrow kestrel]

well, not the ones now obviously

but during the war

[split night]

they used to be reluctant to like, genocide doguns before the propaganda started

[narrow kestrel]

"""war"""

doesnt seem like they were that reluctant anyways pre-propaganda

considering they were

yknow

[split night]

not even war, it's a genocide xd

[narrow kestrel]

actually doing it

so once a dogun is turned to stone its joever?

[split night]

I'm pretty sure it is because of the propaganda
the royal have to convince not just their citizen but the eyes of other species in gavel too

[narrow kestrel]

or are they similar to the one in the Sealed in Ice discovery

[split night]

no they can be revived

[mossy badge]

@warm flicker didn't u have some theory about chiseled stone? What are the implications?

[narrow kestrel]

didnt the propaganda only started AFTER the whole genocide thing

or did i misread dwarves and doguns part 1

[split night]

no it started wayyyy before the genocide

they have to convince the people

for example do you think the Nazis actually win out the people because most of the people actually want genocide xd

[narrow kestrel]

getting sent back to courag after the ultimate discovery is dark as hell lmfao

😭

festival goers as far as the eye can see

[split night]

I think most royal in wynncraft are assholes
except for like, King Ragni and King Troms

those two are pretty good, i think they genuinely have the better of their people at the top of their priorities

[narrow kestrel]

king troms is a puppet anyways no?

i dont think he has actual power

prince of troms is good tho yeah

[split night]

he fought wynnex for years until he can't

[narrow kestrel]

fair

idfk why he didnt ask ragni for help though

literally next door btw

[split night]

what make you think he didn't? xd

[narrow kestrel]

considering ragni seemed to also know about wynnex

[split night]

I theorize that King Ragni knows about this but feel powerless against it

it's a ultra mega corp after all

they hold some power over the politics in Wynn i think

[hybrid gazelle]

Wynnex must be that fucking big or powerful that it can fight with literal kingdoms

many of them in fact

honestly i feel like you could work it and have villager government themselves fund Wynnex in their takeover in Wynn but Wynn just do not have evidences to support their claim

[split night]

this just make Villager politics as a whole even worst 😭
they are worse than Her's Majesty, literally

they let their military and also do the propaganda shit about the Orcs so

[brittle prism]

I sure love the greedy foreign minority that secretly controls the politics of another country

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

That makes golems

[narrow kestrel]

wouldnt be surprised if the continent that banned humans from settling was looking to take over the continent of said humans

💀

[split night]

their only redeeming quality is that Ragni King and Seaskipper Captain are GOATs

[narrow kestrel]

wynn 3.0 storyline will be every fucking race in gavel vs wynnex/villagers

[split night]

😭

You gotta understand how surprised I am when i slowly piece together that most of the Villagers are assholes and the one that are like normal and goated we interact in wynn are the outliners

[narrow kestrel]

the cool ones we interact with are in wynn too

genuinely whenever something happens in gavel its always some fucked up shit

[split night]

like

[hybrid gazelle]

the thing is that

[narrow kestrel]

which is funny as hell because wynn is like. 1-40 and the rest is gavel

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like they could go with that

only if villagers is not

well villagers

[split night]

they beheaded dullahan, warring with Orc, have an evil ass mega corp

and most of them are racist

😭

[slender copper]

Man, Wynncraft lore is so... 💀. How is Wynn, who has the literal portal to the Realm of War... the more stable compared to whatever gavel has.

[narrow kestrel]

the one in rise of quarton was funny as fuck

[hybrid gazelle]

Wynn is not that stable

it literally falling apart

they are in losing war

Gavel still more stable because villagers that holding dominat over the province still doing fine

Dwarves is also doing fine

elves exist

[split night]

Not stable, it's more that the stable country have more assholes than the place where people live in tough environment

[slender copper]

Oh yeah, forgot about the ||recruitment system|| by Her Majesty.

[narrow kestrel]

his non-quest lines arent in the wiki

[split night]

😭

[narrow kestrel]

its so annoying

its the one where he was offering you a single emerald to go kill a fly in his house

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like

villagers could have nuance

[narrow kestrel]

they do

?

[hybrid gazelle]

not what i mean

[narrow kestrel]

most of the villagers we interact with are normal

its just that

when they do fucked up shit

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean they are as a whole

[narrow kestrel]

its REALLY fucked

[hybrid gazelle]

villagers is a strange topic becuase like

[split night]

Most of the villagers we interact with in *wynn are alright
most of Gavel villagers are WEIRD

[hybrid gazelle]

I wonder how CT coud remake them in term of spieces

I think what they have rn

is fine if not for the fact they are minecraft villager

[narrow kestrel]

i thought the ones in gelibord/olux were fine

lexdale is

weird

[hybrid gazelle]

gavelian villagers are weird yeah

I guess it just their culture