📚lore_discussion

[radiant harbor]

No they're probably talking about the quest where he jumps off the dam

That's a long fall

[split night]

that's
a weird assumption given how many time we fall from great distance and see other characters do that

I mean he have a ||butterfly form|| wouldn't he just activate it before landing xd

[chilly peak]

||BUTTERFLY FORM?!??!||

[mossy badge]

Double jump to negate fall dmg 🤯

[mossy badge]

The wings

[split night]

yeah? he was blessed, he used his ||butterfly form|| in ||apotheosis||

[chilly peak]

haven't done neither apotheosis or raid so idk

[split night]

do it

[chilly peak]

oh so

[mossy badge]

Hop off #📚lore_discussion then

[chilly peak]

i'm here to be spoiled mate

[split night]

Tasim didn't die in any quest inside Fruma btw, just to clarify, I thought I was genuinely forgetting something important

[mossy badge]

Smh

[split night]

Dern Beast name is ||Saphanis||

[mossy badge]

Spoiler: ||the player is goku||

[chilly peak]

fruma queen's actual name is ||never gonna give you up ||

[mossy badge]

Where are the rickroll banners 🤔

[chilly peak]

forgor to add lmao

[mossy badge]

This question would prolly be better in #1489836179665981621

[mossy badge]

There are rickroll banners ingame

[split night]

Rick astley is canon?

[mossy badge]

Lmao snerp just mentioned it

[chilly peak]

apotheosis is lv119?

[split night]

yeah

it's

packed with story

so ready your popcorn

and also your gaming skill because you have to fight 3 bosses

[uneven basin]

Is kind of a boss rush really

[chilly peak]

ugh time to swap to lightbender from arcanist

[split night]

yeah
it's not that hard once you learn their attack pattern

[chilly peak]

ion think i would survive that with paper thin crab

[uneven basin]

Remember: keep moving

Ideally not into the boss

[mossy badge]

Idk bro, i remember getting hit no matter wat

[chilly peak]

guessing one of them is two?

[split night]

It's like undertale but 3 dimensional
I first tried them all so they weren't that much of an issue

[split night]

do you want to be spoiled?

[mossy badge]

Why would she be smh

[chilly peak]

sounds interesting

[chilly peak]

yes.

please answer with yes or no tho

[uneven basin]

No

[mossy badge]

I 1st tried cuz fire pots make me invincible 🔥

[chilly peak]

oh shit

[split night]

she said "I don't have a death wish" literally saying that she ain't fighting us

she's literally the smartest character we ever faced xd

[chilly peak]

i can't read i'm wynncraft fan

[split night]

no she said that at the very end of the quest

honestly, yeah, we beat the shit out of gods and demi-gods, Two is just like, nope not gonna happen, im not stupid

[chilly peak]

they look smart as heck so yeah

[split night]

yeah she is

I mean she's the spymaster after all, I imagine her being the intelligence of the government

[brave hollow]

Her alignment also reads as more neutral

With the amount of times she’s not followed orders lol

[red idol]

why is || annie || in the || wartorn palace || raid background?

[shut mist]

cuz its in the realm of war

[dense python]

||because you've entered the realm of War and thats where annie resides as a natural creature||

||well, multiple annies||

[red idol]

oh so || war is corruption thats invading wynn? ||

[hybrid gazelle]

||fun fact the annie in the raid is bigger than the annie we fought||

[hybrid gazelle]

||yes||

[red idol]

thanks!

[coarse elk]

||so we are fighting a baby annie?||

[azure tangle]

||nah its the same size annie, just annie in the world event isnt standing up||

||we only see it's torso in the world event||

[hybrid gazelle]

||oh trust me they are bigger||

[mystic fulcrum]

annie can't go through portal because they are too big, not much of a threat

[hybrid gazelle]

||Annie that we fought CAN get through the portal||

||they have life cycle and the young one are capable of going out in the portal||

[split night]

I find it funny that the only reason why realm of War haven't invaded wynn is because the actual colossal threat are too big to fit through

[mystic fulcrum]

Why her majesty can't grow and become an annie?

[hybrid gazelle]

because she is not one

[agile nacelle]

Is there a video or smth about whole lore?

[hybrid gazelle]

||Devils are just by product of Dark and Light conflict and extension of War just like her||

[hybrid gazelle]

nope

[split night]

trying to compile everything into a video would make it last at least an hour
though the keypoints of wynncraft probably only take up 10 minute

i'd gladly info dump someone who doesn't play wynn

[mystic fulcrum]

wondering what town guard would look like in realm of war

[split night]

demons

we kinda did enter the realm briefly to beat the butterfly

[mystic fulcrum]

and looks like no one is in charge of that realm

[split night]

well it wasn't a proper realm in the first place, now that the only thing that have a mind and can experience other emotion beside pain, agony and hate is gone
the realm will sort of act on its own again, just like what it always do even after her depart

[mossy badge]

Will change when we'll get it playable in 2040

[mystic fulcrum]

But towns at the realm of war would be epic

[mossy badge]

It'll be epic in 2040 indeed

[hybrid gazelle]

there would be no settlement lo

[mystic fulcrum]

Settlement for demons and baby annie

[hybrid gazelle]

consdier how the realm meant to be hostile as fuck and what the devils are

[mossy badge]

Like there would be settlements in dern logically..

[hybrid gazelle]

from what I heard

when ask about devils and stuff

it seems like they are more animalistic

[mossy badge]

They'll cook up smth

Surely

For dern

[hybrid gazelle]

and only have violence in their mind

||even the devils in raid fight only climb up the tower to join in the fight||

||Anathema did not have a say in their arrival||

[uneven basin]

|| it's interesting that devils are absent from raids / attacks from corrupted forces ||

|| not a single devil in bak'al's army ||

[hybrid gazelle]

||it likely that he only have control over the corruption influence and not the devil themselves||

[uneven basin]

|| yeah the devil's don't seem to have a will to spread corruption just animalistic needs ||

|| I'd love to see devils kill each other it would really hammer home they are creatures of war who only know pain and hate even for their kindred ||

[hybrid gazelle]

this is simplified graph of how I interept it

[primal anchor]

trinitarian war

1. There is war within the Fruman walls
2. Anathema is War
3. The Devils are War
4. bakal is War
5. Anathema is not a devil
6. devils are not bakal
7. bakal is not anathema

[mystic fulcrum]

But devils are not coordinated so easy to beat

[uneven basin]

Need more devil lore and content

Cause in-game they're just... There

[waxen aspen]

Why in the quest Off the Rails the guard says the Mistwoods has no civilization?

[mossy badge]

The same reason they say there's no war inside the fruman walls

W propaganda

[hybrid gazelle]

propoganda

to the outside world mistwood has no civilization

[signal bough]

was the file on you, that you stole in the auburn forest, ever actually important?

[hybrid gazelle]

i mean yeah

that where your record are

with shit like that on you, they can easily call back to you espically when you are in auburn

it was necessery at the time in order to stay hidden from the guards

but well after you do the

thing in later quests

it does not really matter anymore

[shut hornet]

i wish it was made clearer in the story

but yeah to every other region the mistwoods is a forbidden dangerous area that no one lives in

[signal bough]

Aldwell needs a better intro imo

no 'what the hell is Aldwell', no 'I had no idea there was a city this big here...' from Sui

[shut hornet]

yeah agree

[signal bough]

let's see, Espren has A New Beginning, which isn't really about Espren but it's about people who live in the Auburn Forest

[hasty beacon]

I got the mistwoods being completely unknown to the outside world thing when i played but i do try to read all the dialogue so that probably helped

[signal bough]

being dumped into the Roughworks without any further introduction did work for me

[uneven basin]

I got that too but I expected aldwell go be a way bigger deal

[signal bough]

and Overture to Despair was a good introduction to Hyloch

Aldwell has

Rurie showing up and conscripting us for terrorism

[uneven basin]

The rough works have a lot of citizen npcs that give you the gist of your place in the area

[signal bough]

and then Sui too sad about her family dying or being kidnapped to care she stumbled across the secret mistwoods civilization

[mossy badge]

Ngl im very sad the mistwoods is not bigger

[signal bough]

oh and also being conscripted into terrorism

[uneven basin]

Even the mistwood ppl are a bit too chill about ppl coming from beyond the wall like "oh hey not a changeling ? Cool let's do terrorism"

[uneven basin]

The consequences of the rectangle map dream

[signal bough]

I presume it happens occasionally

so its not as surprising for them as it is for us

[hasty beacon]

Yea im fine with killing dernal jungle for more mistwoods

[signal bough]

also it hurts that the player can just kinda uh

go into the mistwoods prior to echoes of change

and go to Aldwell

[hasty beacon]

Yea they shouldve done the region lock thing again

[signal bough]

and then there should be another quest at lvl 111 cause I had to drop the main storyline and grind in the bat cave for SO LONG

maybe that could be an aldwell intro quest

you, Sui, and Yusanu stumbling across it and then getting kicked out cause you dont have medallions

unsure

well, if you're not changing shrouded in mist at all then that would explain why Sui isnt surprised about Aldwell

[regal spire]

Level 111 has SD’s and the missing piece

That’s actually enough to level you up

And some caves

[signal bough]

was it 112 then

yeah 112

[regal spire]

112 is rough

But, idk if they changed the cave and SD levels

[exotic bough]

tbh the mist makes it feel a lot bigger than what it actually is

[regal spire]

The Mistwoods is only small feeling because the wastelands are cutting it off

Soon, we will have it

[mossy badge]

wat

[regal spire]

Some of the Mistwoods extends into the wastelands

[mossy badge]

No.. ?

[signal bough]

slightly???

[mossy badge]

Like they just next to each other

[unique cedar]

I don't think it does

[mossy badge]

With not much walls

[unique cedar]

there are walls between both regions

[regal spire]

The trees do, which is some Mistwoods

[unique cedar]

cracked but still

[signal bough]

honestly I would say more of the wastelands extends into the mistwoods than the other way around

[unique cedar]

same thing happens in highlands

there are a few mistwood trees in the intersection

but not much else

[north tangle]

yo does anyone know what the other language than wynnic is

[celest falcon]

High Gavellian?

[warm flicker]

old fruman?

[shy hemlock]

fun fact there’s a cave that takes you from highlands to ragni

[celest gate]

Huh really?

[hasty beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/804840698901561446/1439663470462111854/67.gif

[tough forge]

there's even a Rosetta Stone to translate old fruman using wynnic

and there's a lot of old fruman in the burried records next to it

[spring kernel]

theres two others

one is a lot more complicated than the other

[dry drift]

hello lore discussion

[zinc quarry]

did the queen have the powers that she granted via blessings beforehand?

like zhiraoks immortality or majins cosmic magic

also what is tasims blessing

also given that the player has killed anathema now would they be able to kill a full anni

[warm flicker]

67yum

[hasty beacon]

He doesnt exist yet

[formal bridge]

No. She seems to instead just bring out the natural powers within people depending on their aptitudes, it isn't a one to one kind of thing where she hands over her own powers. And Zhiraok is immortal due to the charm he has combined with the blessing, not the blessing itself. Tasim's blessing isn't shown at all really, we have no idea what it actually does. And the player fought in a group against Anathema who was already weakened thanks to all the power being given away for generations prior

[split night]

hm?
In the raid she said that she share her power between her the blessed if you ask her to transfer her power to you after you defeated her
Although other power unique to them is power they obtain on their own like revivability or cosmic power
Most of them is immortal ( as in don't age ) because of the wellspring located near top left of fruma ( facing North )

I mean Tasim's blessing seem to give him plenty of new powers of move if you compare his fight in ||Apotheosis|| to ||Queen's Recruit||, for example, a butterfly form or the ability to call shiny beam and stuff

Zhiraok blessing look like superspeed
Soosu blessing is matter manipulation
idk what the hell Two and Majin but their probably a theme

[lusty glacier]

i thought majin got the cosmic stuff from the queen

[split night]

Could be?
it seems like he has been obsessed with the cosmic stuff before even getting his blessing

if you read and interact stuff in his house

[lusty glacier]

i mean i assumed that the queen gave cosmic stuff since the guy was interested in cosmic stuff

since we see how giving a disliked power can discourage the sovereign

[split night]

oh neat i get to choose my power when i bow down to the crown?

[lusty glacier]

maybe not directly, but the queen is probably giving powers based on aptidude

[split night]

It make sense really, Soosu's creativity mean that matter manipulation fit her really well

[lusty glacier]

tasim's power was named in a quest but i forgot

[split night]

He look like Star in his butterfly form xd

[lusty glacier]

it was one word but i don't remember which quest

[split night]

I find it funny that in the end, we aren't really human, are we?
we have basically beat all demi-gods and gods in the game for the end to have ||Anathema|| confirmed that hidden beneath the vast mask of emptiness lies a familiar spark that could be similar to her own and that the other gods overlooked us

[lusty glacier]

i mean we can still be human i feel like, but yea we do seem a bit quirky

[split night]

I think so, we could be human as a vessel with something greater hidden within us

[tepid blade]

I think we are human, but the thing inside of us is unique

[split night]

we haven't lost against great atrocities in the game yet

[split night]

What is so unique that someone or a group of people took great power to hide it from the eyes of gods really xd
I've seen some people call it "Potential"

I don't think we will know this in the near future, because the game only give us this one tiny itty bitty hint about what we are

[tepid blade]

Yeah, I have heard that before, I personally I call it either balance or life

[lusty glacier]

the queen mentions that she sends soldiers to wynn as a blank slate to see their potential and hopefully let some sparks catch embers, and then she likens the sparks to hope, so maybe we are somehow connected to the primordial force of hope or smth? since feels like most characters get helped by us a lot

[tepid blade]

I was actually thinking about that, but I think calling it hope would be a bit generic, but it very well could be hope

[split night]

I think at this point in the game, we don't even know what we are yet, even the memory orb explode when it try to pierce through whatever void is within us to hide the thing

to the eyes of most powerful magicians and gods, they just see us as extremely bland and boring xd

[lusty glacier]

could we hope, could be willpower, could be determination but to me it feels like something along those lines

[split night]

Determination...?

Willpower...?

[tepid blade]

determination would be funny, but very unlikely xd

[split night]

Is this UT/DR reference

[lusty glacier]

i mean it just feels like some sort of perseveranace related thingy

[split night]

after all, i think there is a Friend inside us

[lusty glacier]

i dont think ive played those

[split night]

not playing those and hitting the reference like that is insane

[tepid blade]

I know, but it would feel to much like Deltarune

[split night]

xd

[lusty glacier]

i mean i was just thinking about hope adjacent concepts

[split night]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-eo2gifs-deltarune-chapter-3-deltarune-ch-3-tenna-deltarune-gif-3543875082152148675

[tepid blade]

Fair enough, but the accidental reference was kind of funny

[split night]

I mean he's cooking
there could be a friend inside me after all

[lusty glacier]

i feel like we are somehow connected to hope or at least something similar enough to that

[tepid blade]

Yeah, same with my theory on life/balance, particularly life

[lusty glacier]

im not sure about life since we aren't really bothered about taking it

[slim belfry]

you have the right to take life

[split night]

I think whatever it is actually is, I kinda like that we basically are winning a lot of impossible fight because we are just at the very peak of human capabilities, like literally the skill ceiling
we are kinda like batman if he kill people

[tepid blade]

Well, not the definition of something that is alive, but life in a more philosophical sense, like life is hard to define unlike the other elements, which is what makes the strand within us colorless

[lusty glacier]

i wonder how bob is then

[split night]

Bob is just something else

In an easter egg, it is said that he soloed the annie monster canonically in game

[tepid blade]

Bob isn't fully human, he is half Olm

[lusty glacier]

i mean full olms were easily felled by darkness so he prob got some zesty thing as well

[tepid blade]

well, he tried to go fight the darkness on his own, but disappeared, and he is a master of 4 weapons

[split night]

the fact that he take on darkness on his own is pretty insane

I mean if he were fully human
I would say we are robin

because damn, he's just really powerful 😭
he is probably as powerful or more powerful than a scion

[tepid blade]

True, and he did say he was planning of giving his life to seal away the dark, but he obviously failed, or worst, turned to the dark

[split night]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-look-cat-look-at-camera-silly-cat-in-a-cage-gif-889392959852579879

I don't want to imagine fighting Overtaken Bob

[lusty glacier]

i mean maybe hes stillin the realm of darkness doing some stuff rather than having failed or turned

[split night]

yeah if he felled and become scion, the world is doomed 😭

[lusty glacier]

like we are unnaturally speedy in our progression overall, maybe he has been in the realm of darkness for a decade still searching for the beast

[split night]

neat

[split night]

I think it only took us a year canonically to reach the "human beat gods" status

[lusty glacier]

yea i remember six months to two years from somewhere

[tepid blade]

It would be very cool though, I had an idea that if Lari was captured, he could be the warden of the place she is kept, and we would have to fight him to save her, kill one hero to save another

[drifting aurora]

Lost Bob (real)

[tepid blade]

also I like tragic fights in stories, so a Bob fight would be right up my storytelling alle (:

[lusty glacier]

i wonder if before going into dern we will talk to bob's allies like nilrem and whatnot

[split night]

Whatever happening in the Dark seems to just be cinema
I imagine Bob saved Lari at the end of RoL5's post quest mesage
like he just jump out and catch her to make her avoid awaking something in here

[tepid blade]

That could also be cool

just two heros braving the darkness together

[split night]

I find it crazy that in within the next 10 years we will be seeing and maybe cooperating with Lari and Bob to seal away the influences of Dark

enough time for me to have a job and a familly

[lusty glacier]

i dont think its gonna end with us sealing only dark

[tepid blade]

I hope it doesn't take ten years for us to get there

[lusty glacier]

we arent exactly friends of light as well

[split night]

yeah we would seal the Light as well

[split night]

😔

[lusty glacier]

i wonder if we'll learn about another realm or is this the only three

[tepid blade]

I don't think we will learn about other realms anytime soon, maybe after the current storyline ends, because three feels like already

[misty jetty]

chat is there a lore reason for the Ruins of Detlas secret not activating?

[tepid blade]

??? It could be because of the Festival of Heros event LOL, but IDK

[misty jetty]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, thanks

[drifting aurora]

this is a classic

will look into it

[violet tiger]

Spoilers for the end of Fruma warning.
||Okay, so whenever the next quest update comes out, we BETTER be allowed to take Rex to Corkus to get her a prosthetic arm.||

[paper wyvern]

Orphion refight

[misty jetty]

Or ||she gets one from Yus like the leg he built for the Steel Feather's leader (I can't remember his name.)||

[paper wyvern]

While that's probably going to happen it's far less fun than ||corkian robot arm that probably also shoots lasers and has a chance of exploding||

[ancient dock]

||One of the steel feather brothers created a prosthetic limb||

[misty jetty]

True

[violet tiger]

True. That's also an option. But Corkus tech is definitely more advanced.

Plus, we'll get to see Maxie and Ava again this way.

[paper wyvern]

||corkus is magitech and rex has generally refused to use magic so another point against it||

[violet tiger]

Which is always a plus.

[violet tiger]

||She's not against magic, it's just not her thing. She doesn't have skill in magic, to put it simply. I don't think you need to be skilled in using magic to wield a magitech device.||

||Seriously though, the people we've befriended throughout the rebellion in Fruma all have things they can learn from other provinces. Rex (assuming she gets a prosthetic arm) can train with the elves, Zeph can learn from experienced Wynn soldiers, the steelwing brothers can learn from Corkus, Sui can learn the tales of the Twains, etc.||

[formal bridge]

||how could rex train with the elves? I don't really see them as spectacular archers unless I've missed something, and they're too good naturally at magic to really understand how a human like rex would struggle with it||

[frozen turtle]

elves are like in most media good with archery but in Wynn they're more magic focused.

[slim belfry]

||training with mael||

[frozen turtle]

||I'd imagine Rex going to corkus because she's kinda thunder-themed. or at least thats the only element left from the leaves which one of them didnt have||

[warm flicker]

at first i thought because Hashr's betrayal got moved up to 688 BP that that would impact the Olmic timeline i made. However, due to the simple lack of written records in Fruma about the Olm, i am now more convinced that the Olm fell long before Hashr's betrayal, and thus think the Olm were destroyed in 1400 BP

[chilly peak]

why tf am i appearing as grian

wrong channel mb

[digital swan]

this is some real lore shit is Grian canon in the Wynn universe? and if a creator of the game is canon, can we ask him to help us beat both orphion and DB by writing them out of existence?

[slim belfry]

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Corrupted_Grian

[hybrid gazelle]

||Yasanu literally mention to make prosthetic limbs||

||quill literally have one made by Yasanu, she do not need to go to Corkus||

[rotund gust]

if someone else on your world is doing the cutscene at the same time sometimes it displays their skin

[chilly peak]

oh i see, thanks

[hasty spoke]

Miniboss?

[tepid blade]

I think its for any "boss" like mob that isn't found in quest, raid, or boss altar (like cave and lootrun bosses)

[tacit granite]

Something has been itching at me and I want to know if anyone has put this together too; post Fruma quest line spoilers. ||Tasim left a letter at his makeshift grave for Aledar. The letter, on one side, was Aledar requesting Tasim to join on the journey to the Silent Expanse as the 4th member. As Aledar explained to us in front of the Outlook, the plan was to sacrifice the 4th member of the group to gain entry. Had Tasim made it, would Aledar and co sacrificed Tasim? Or would they have gotten a 5th as the sacrifice?||

[neat oriole]

||yes tasim would've probably gotten sacced||

[tacit granite]

||which makes Tasim’s breakdown more tragic, because he thinks he could have saved Aledar without understanding what it would have meant for him.||

[hushed zinc]

dialogue changed ||Elphaba and Aledar said they probably would've insisted it to be themselves||

basically it'd be more like a ||who wants to sacrifice themselves more competition in the moment if the group reaches that point alive||

[tacit granite]

I don’t know if that makes it any better. Because ||then you’ve got a bunch of people who have to live with the knowledge someone chose to die. And Tasim would definitely not handle it well.||

[hushed zinc]

it'd be rough for sure

[digital swan]

aledar a big asshole I bet he would

[vital dagger]

lucios a goner

speaking of which what feats does he have

[vapid path]

He breaks thru deltas walls

[chilly peak]

||IS QUEEN RELATED TO ROW??||

[signal bough]

||there really was war inside fruma||

[chilly peak]

peak

[snow kiln]

They changed the dialogue so it implies that aledar or elphaba would've sacrificed themselves if it has come to it.

[astral void]

So what actually is the silent expanse? Is it connectes to the corruption or something? And are we gonna see Lari again?

[hybrid gazelle]

it's land that just influenced by darkness for many years

and no it not really connect to Corruption

it just dark influence it

[astral void]

So what happens after the corruption right after the events in the other realm or whatever?

[hybrid gazelle]

huh

what

can you repeat your sentence?

[dim plover]

Have you played the Fruma quests

[chilly peak]

yes.

[dim plover]

(This is a genuine question I don’t want to spoil anything)

[split night]

It's a land influenced by Darkness over the years similar to Light Forest being influenced over Light

Realm of War is a product of Light's and Dark's HATE which by extension mean that Corruption in nature is possibly HATE on a more minor scale

[dim plover]

Do people still think that Darkness and Corruption are the same thing

[chilly peak]

no unless they hold shift all the time

[split night]

idk man some people just sleep or skip the dialog then talk in here

[radiant harbor]

What do you think will be the actual outcome of what we did in the raid?

[split night]

it's weird as hell

xd

[split night]

Light and Dark will be taking more and more stuff from our plane, we will be the one to stop it from happening

which is, not now, probably in like a few years until CT cook up a new update xd

[radiant harbor]

You're basing this on Two's visions right?

[split night]

Nope, I'm basing this on ||Anathema's|| post raid dialog

[tacit granite]

We currently have conflicting stories from ||Light and War's|| perspectives. My guess is that we will need to oust the "weight on the scales" that ||Anathama|| was talking about before getting the big final conflict.

[split night]

Seal the dark you say

[radiant harbor]

And that's why we go in dern I guess

[tacit granite]

If you believe ||Orphion|| they will side with us to put a balance in place. But in either case, letting the two forces run wild means reinforcing the corruption which can only be delayed otherwise.

[split night]

CT did say they are gonna make Orphion more antagonistic in the future, i got this from Trashie btw

[split night]

just let them kiss and the corruption will be gone

[tacit granite]

I could see a Smash Bros World of Light dual boss fight thing as the final raid.

[radiant harbor]

So a plausible outcome would be the closing of the portals, or maybe we can permanently sever the connection with the two realms

Lari could play a role in this, considering she's an elf

[wintry sky]

well for someone who got corrupted by a simple parasite doesnt seem like much of a threat

[chilly peak]

sohso was mentioned to be inside fruma with ??? quest, is this lore outdated

[tacit granite]

In one of ||Anathama's|| post raid dialogue's, ||it happened before, that the realms of influence were shut out.|| so it could happen again.

[wintry sky]

am i the only one who feels the light side is significantly weaker?

[split night]

Overtaken, not corrupted
It's more that the parasite was design to do this to Orphion not us, if we were the one got overtaken and no one is here to save us we genuinely will stuck being controlled by the parasite

[tacit granite]

Yes, it is said many times that Dark has a unknown power at play.

[radiant harbor]

We saw that visualised in that one Two dialogue

[split night]

the Scion of Realm of War act on its own and sided with Dark, betrayed Realm of War in the process

[wintry sky]

oh i missed that part

[tacit granite]

we still haven't been to the wastelands, which is where the Changlings are from and other weirdness. Could be there.

[bright crater]

how serious is the joke expansion map wynncraft twitter posted

[chilly peak]

oh true, perhaps imprisoned in deraj or something?

[chilly peak]

which

[wintry sky]

extremely

[signal bough]

there was a tiny mention of him in the fort hegea cabinet

[radiant harbor]

Not

[wintry sky]

excited for the aether expansion

[chilly peak]

interesting

[signal bough]

with apparently an outside scientist working on studying changeling madness

[split night]

I'm excited for moon expansion

[bright crater]

really hope some of it happens

[tacit granite]

Going ahead to call that changelings are created by meteor nonsense like the Gerts.

[signal bough]

I really liked the first part of that segment ngl

[dim plover]

But what if the Realm of War dies and they create the Realm of Unity instead where everything’s a complete hivemind that seeks to assimilate the entire world

[split night]

No propaganda can stop me from making them kiss

[wintry sky]

here in wynncraft civilization no one jumps for the shadestepper

[signal bough]

we need more Fraud Layer in wynncraft

[dim plover]

(Something something Realm of Twilight AU)

[wintry sky]

my eyes

[tacit granite]

Considering how ||Anathama|| is with ||War and some post raid dialogue alluding to her being reborn|| it may be that they could be born again if the nature of their realms were changed. Pehaps another realm of influence.

[wintry sky]

i heard someone say that it was a reference to the pet

[split night]

maybe the Her's Majesty would have a better ending here, being their loving child 😔

[split night]

cosmetic aren't canon im pretty sure

xd

[hybrid gazelle]

||Anathema mention before that rare chance a new spark might be form but it wont be her||

[split night]

yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

||Orphion, Saphanis, and Anathema are sparks from their respective influence||

[split night]

we are also a spark as she say

[wintry sky]

well its more of a reference since its phrased as a maybe?

my question is how do you add dern, realm of war and other stuff without it being silent expanse 2.0 in terms of gameplay and design

[signal bough]

will war be stronger in the immediate aftermath

[hybrid gazelle]

In my theory is that just like her, we are essentially blank slate that shape and form by our experience throughout the story

[wintry sky]

i cant imagine spamming red blocks is very fun

[radiant harbor]

We already know the realm of war is more nether-like

[split night]

It's a neat one for sure, I do imagine something has taken great legth to hide our true nature from the eyes of the beasts

[signal bough]

I want utterly neutral dernite npcs

[tacit granite]

Speaking of, I am starting to develop a theory that the player character may be ||the planet incarnate, given how all other celestial bodies like meteors and that have powers and influence.||

[wintry sky]

yeah but how do u make that look easy on the eyes

[wintry sky]

also what npcs can u even have

[split night]

not nether like, it look like it was filled with flesh like abomination
like being inside of a living body, you can see the white part being bone and the red part being flesh

[radiant harbor]

The white worked in the raid at least

[wintry sky]

true

but white is easier than red

[signal bough]

Olm that didn't escape and got turned into heavily dernic people and are currently working 9/5s at the Wynn Orphan Grinding Factory

[split night]

hey, we haven't seen the Beast of Realm of Physic yet, we might as well be that too xd

[wintry sky]

is that where soul points come from?

[signal bough]

these guys seem to be examples of sentient dernites

[wintry sky]

seems like automation hit them pretty hard

[split night]

They look funny as hell
like wdym Upside-downer

😭

[tacit granite]

it could be that we never have to go through dern like the expanse, if they just make the portal go to a raid start up. Or we could use that gadget we got in the Fruma quests to make new portals as needed.

[wintry sky]

i think there will have to be another province

[split night]

can the resonance weaver even tear the fabric of space to create portal xd
i thought it's just gonna be a powerful tool in the Realm of Physic that can manipulate matter

[tacit granite]

A big thing that will decide how it all plays out will be how they want to pace it. I imagine. If they want to wrap the main light and dark story by level 150 they don't need to develop too many more areas for example.

[signal bough]

I think the story will prob cap at 125

[radiant harbor]

It could be fun having a final quest line taking place in different parts of the world and has us travelling to places we already fought in

[wintry sky]

considering all of fruma is 15 levels they will need much more

[split night]

well you see, Salted need his yacht to be able to keep running
i think it will be much more

[wintry sky]

you mean raft

[tacit granite]

Hey, I only said the light and dark story line. We could get a time travel arc or a space travel arc or a multiverse arc. lol. Turn it all into marvel movies after the decade of lore and mythology building up the one big bad and try to keep it going.

[wintry sky]

time valley certainly has limitless potential

[split night]

Tis genuinely going to keep running until the time we are die

[radiant harbor]

Tru

[split night]

and then Wynncraft is gonna be passed down to the next generation 😔

[signal bough]

I would love a wrap-up and then OCEAN

[wintry sky]

east ocean or west ocean?

[signal bough]

west ocean

[radiant harbor]

East ocean doesn't have much

[wintry sky]

bloomi expansion

[signal bough]

wait thought you meant weast

[wintry sky]

it has a lot of space to open up

[signal bough]

selchar is starving

[wintry sky]

selchar is middle

[signal bough]

it's dying

slabspam

no quests

[wintry sky]

i think thats the next update

old wynn quests rework

[wintry sky]

slab spam has a place in my heart

[tacit granite]

Would be cool to see them use the expanded world height for some more ocean depths.

[radiant harbor]

Just remove the ice islands from existence and make the Evil ice islands [lvl 130-140]

[wintry sky]

mauro peaks

[signal bough]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-beetle-pain-disappointed-gif-18859755

[wintry sky]

why does everyone hate ice nations

i did the quest 8 years ago but i dont remember hating it

[radiant harbor]

It's annoying having to take the seaskipper to get to a small island, do the quest and never going there again

[wintry sky]

i remember having a cool adventure

[wintry sky]

isnt that most ocean quests?

i did the quest before sea skipper i had to buy a boat

[radiant harbor]

Bigger ones like corkus are more memorable

[signal bough]

corkus is its own thing

[wintry sky]

idk i dont think u can fix islands just like that

[radiant harbor]

Make the player visit those islands more often

Like selchar

[wintry sky]

u cant just keep adding quests to them forever for people to remember them

[signal bough]

selchar should be more important

[wintry sky]

oh i have an idea

have a sea mount

[signal bough]

ofc we lost the quest which explained on the lore

[wintry sky]

add the feeding area to selchar

boom

[signal bough]

speaking of

[wintry sky]

everyone in selchar 24/7

[signal bough]

we need a wyvern and an adasaur quest

[slim belfry]

mount update 1.5 reworking boats

[radiant harbor]

I got to llevigar with a boat, about a week later they added the seaskipper lmao

[wintry sky]

rip

[signal bough]

also the real ocean traversal is movement spells

[wintry sky]

pre gavel ball knowledge

[tacit granite]

I think making the ocean more appealing would take an effort for content to be added to make them worth passing by. Like farming mats or WE or dungeons, maybe a raid. A swimming mount and some more interesting sea floors would help too.

[signal bough]

I figured it out on my own

sometimes I dont want to pay the seaskipper

[wintry sky]

they nerfed it post gravel

[signal bough]

really?

[wintry sky]

mana regen is slower in water

idk if its still a thing

but it was introduced in gavel

[signal bough]

oh maybe

[wintry sky]

use the mage quick travel or just a scroll

forgery scroll is like 3 emeralds

[signal bough]

I use the mage quick travel but like

if I need to go to rooster island to invite Nohno for a festival I am going to just use spells to get there

[wintry sky]

you know

holding the festivals on the islands instead of detlas sounds like a fun idea

some islands have really cool designs and its a shame they get forgotten

[tacit granite]

Going back to lore, what do we think was going on with the ||person who helped Anathama escape War and craft the vessal with the resonance weaver?||

[tepid blade]

||Bak'al, doing Bak'al things||

[wintry sky]

question is when did it happen timelinewise

[tacit granite]

As well as ||the culture that was basically erased except for that slate overlooking Ragni from Fruma and the secret discoveries.||

[signal bough]

between 0 and 200 AP

[tepid blade]

there is also other things people have found about that time period, but most of it is in the Old Fruman language, so they are still trying to translate it

[wintry sky]

|| maybe she didnt need help escaping as the portals just opened ||

[radiant harbor]

The gale paper is not enough?

[tepid blade]

what do you mean?

[signal bough]

someone on the CT made a conlang

[tacit granite]

It is a proper constructed language, not a cipher like the other ones.

[radiant harbor]

That translation sheet gale leaves when you speak to her about fruma

[signal bough]

they've found three rosetta stones but seem to have not really cracked the third

[radiant harbor]

That isn't enough to translate everything?

[signal bough]

at the moment all you can read are the rosettas

[gloomy idol]

see https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/1489836179665981621

[tacit granite]

It tells us how to pronounce the words but not the meaning of the words.

[signal bough]

and some gibberish

[radiant harbor]

What where are the other two

[radiant harbor]

Oooh ok

[tepid blade]

nope, its like a real language

[signal bough]

there's one in industrial and then one's a rick roll

[tacit granite]

I am guessing though that the old frumans were the ones who ||blocked Light and Dark from the world like Anathama mentions.|| And since the runes are old fruman language, and looking at the resonance weaver, I am guessing it is connected.

[radiant harbor]

We have a tol rune converter in the ancient olmic city, these two cultures are probably connected

[tacit granite]

The rosetta stone over Ragni suggests they settled all the lands we have been to. May be the common ancestor of the Olms, villagers, and humans.

[dry drift]

omg old fruman discussion

[tacit granite]

Just read the Roughworks stone, it was written during the reign of Hashr, putting that stone around 1400 BP to align with him. It does mean that people existed beyond the expanse of the Old Fruma colonies at or near their peak, so I was wrong there. The olm are probably older. Do we have any solid dates on the Olm's civilization?

[dry drift]

the hashr dates were changed recently

688 bp? i think

though that stone is written in past tense (about hashr) anyway so

doesnt really say much

[bright crater]

how much have people figured out old fruman

[tacit granite]

It seems to imply a shift from a council of astronomers making decisions based on stars (colored meteors?) to a monarchy using Hashr as example, which would be unlikely if they knew about the whole "bured their civilization in sand" thing.

[dry drift]

honestly they're doin pretty well

#1489836179665981621

ive seen some pretty close translations of texts with no "wynnic" (english) parallel

[tacit granite]

Which likely explains the shift in power to the Queen, if they were already ruled by a monarch. A new, unnaturally long living, monarch would be easier to accept in a line of monarchs rather than immediately after a council.

[uneven basin]

Does new ancient fruman / rune lore relate to the ancient gavel civilization in some way ? It feels like they independently discovered runes and their magic rn

[mossy badge]

They prolly have their own gods like the fire demon i forgot their name

[uneven basin]

It's name is garaheth but Idek if doguns are also related to that civilization

[mossy badge]

Doguns were in gavel ten thousand years ago

[uneven basin]

Yeah but they were doing their thing in the molten heights, they're like gavel olms, there's no evidence of communication between them and the ancient gavelians ( but I am aware lack of evidence doesn't prove anything, just like with the olms in Wynn )
Actually could the fact that they worship the colossus (as in they don't treat it like a giant golem / construct but like a god) mean that they either forgot their ancient culture after the cataclysm or even that their civilization is post cataclysm?

[mossy badge]

The olms had communication with the ancient frumers

[mossy badge]

Well can't golemus be both a god and a giant golem? 🤯

Im pretty sure the colossi is artificial to some extent

And they're kinda like siblings to the doguns (they both came from stone)

[uneven basin]

Well I wouldn't say it's on the same level of power as an actual god but saying the ancients built multiple gods to protect their province sure has aura

The point was more on "do doguns actually understand what golemus is?"

[mossy badge]

I mean they have the most knowledge on it

Surely

[uneven basin]

That's not a high bar to clear but I agree x)

[slim belfry]

wonder how soosu would react going to gavel and seeing all of the constructs

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/throwing-roses-throwing-flowers-throwing-rose-flower-rose-gif-12990929232305329070

Too ugly, must have flowers !!

TCC actually has like flowers on its block head i think lol

[slim belfry]

yeah it does

[hybrid gazelle]

she probably aware of what they are made of

[mossy badge]

Stone 🤯

[hybrid gazelle]

the golems made by villagers are still pretty prmitive consider they even ahve true intelligence and more just stuck a person inside

but if we talking about Goliath and Colossi

then yeah those are more likely advance

but then again Gallohaut exist

[mossy badge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036586382233194496/1469796720228696247/hubert.gif

U mean hubert?

I thought hubert is just a guy

He's just a chill guy saving u from the worst raid room

[uneven basin]

Gallehault are just robots tho? Like the arg scroll Abt corkus says their mechs would be of interest to soosu I feel like she just improved on them, and they're kinda recent so that's why there's very few and limited to the capital

[mossy badge]

I think he's just a guy in the armor

[uneven basin]

They done added the hulkbuster to wynncraft

[slim belfry]

YES

was thinking guy in bulky tech armor

[hybrid gazelle]

they also appear in the alchemist world event talking about how fruma regiment want to showcase the recent advance ment

gallohaut movement is too robotic

to be consider human

the movement is very static in a way compare to other armored human in the game

also they do not have prefix

even Gendarme Kenshi have
well Gendarme in their name

implying that they belong to a division

Gallohaut do not

they just called Gallahaut

[mossy badge]

Nah he's just too big

[atomic hamlet]

Is there any post-Fruma dialogue that’s not ||Tasim||, ||Effal||, or ||Gale||

[hybrid gazelle]

nope

more will be add in the future

[mossy badge]

Who's Effal?

[atomic hamlet]

The recruiter from the Strong Survive

[mossy badge]

Ah right

[mystic fulcrum]

Gale have post Fruma dialogue?

[mossy badge]

Ye

She ||gives the fruman translator||

[radiant harbor]

Ragni's king doesn't care the slightest

[split night]

CT probably gonna add dialog to relevence characters
though i would not be complaining if we explain the entirety of Fruma to Ragni's King and how we basically cut off the source of recuit toward Wynn

I find it funny that heroism and justice always ruin the greater good in the end

[mossy badge]

Ye bro we aint telling the king shit 🙏 😂

[radiant harbor]

Wait but we killed a key entity of the realm of war, which is beyond the nether portal near detlas. That should at least weaken the corruption in wynn

[mossy badge]

The nether portal

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-reverse-inverted-speed-smile-gif-11479297730276726295

[split night]

Me when wynncraft Players sleep through the dialog:

[radiant harbor]

Well excuuuuuuuuuse me princess

[mossy badge]

Im not zeph smh

[mossy badge]

Tbf anathema's dialogue u need to do the raid 67 times unless u read it outside the game

[mystic fulcrum]

I talk to gale and she just gone instantly, where did she goes?

[mossy badge]

/class and she gets dementia

[split night]

No, we killed a product of War which have a mind that can experience something beyond pain, agony and HATE

Killing her basically do nothing but kill the part of War that can think. Just like it always was, the Realm of War will keep growing strong and act on its own like a headless body more or less

the thing is, the consequence of this is Light and Dark finally don't have to care and can start taking things as they can

[radiant harbor]

That's like the lamest outcome ever

[split night]

blame the writer not me xd

[mossy badge]

We freed fruma from her lead atleast

[split night]

In the distant future, something like Her's Majesty will be reborn, but that thing will be different, she ask of us to be kind to it next time

[hot timber]

hyloch citizens massacring the rest of the province as soon as they realise that a new government would most likely try to redistribute their wealth and resources among the other quadrants

[mystic fulcrum]

Yea but she left behind a translator, and suddenly disappear, I go back to her room in house Nasin and she's not there

[split night]

I don't think they would do that but I do believe the military part will do that xd

[mossy badge]

She's canonically nowhere

Its funny tho that u can just /class and she's back with another translator

• dementia

[sharp mango]

is the military paid that good

[hot timber]

i feel like killing the queen dooms the province to like years or decades of civil war

but we'll see in the future i suppose

and still a better outcome than letting her live

[split night]

Just like before honestly, before her, they were in war

[mossy badge]

Were they

I thought ancient frumers were chilling

[split night]

All I wish is that we show her that she was wrong and she stopped governing Fruma and start living as a normal woman in a random house inside Auburn forest 😔

[radiant harbor]

Zhiraok is still alive at least

[hot timber]

true

zhiraok is gonna have to carry

[split night]

at least I think so?
I can't find the rest of the secret discovery to know more

[split night]

yeah, the last 2 sovereign seems to be interested in making their people lives better
the plus is that now they will be working with the resistent

[mossy badge]

Ye we aint doing that the next time either ✌️

[radiant harbor]

Yeah she probably knew that if the fight in the dam didn't go the way she wanted her shell would break but she kept going without any form of diplomacy anyway

[mossy badge]

What secret discovery?

[split night]

😭
She's tragic for me, a little bit of an insane woman but tragic

[hot timber]

soosu doesnt particularly care but she'd probably be interested in doing the right thing or whatever the rest does ig

oru is gonna be in for a huge surprise

[mossy badge]

Oru aint making it bro

Surely we gonna murder him

[split night]

I think Soosu just gonna live a life where she get to do whatever she want now, she's free after all

I hope that she construct a new Flowers

[hot timber]

yeah i dont imagine theres much humanity left in him after having to handle the worst prison in fruma for hundreds of years

[split night]

because goat damn, picking apart Flowers's body in front of Soosu gotta be the most insane form of torture ever

😭

it's like disassemble a child body in front of their mother

[mossy badge]

I mean he sounds pretty organized, maybe we could reason with him but prolly just gonna murder him

[mossy badge]

Disassembling my ai chatbot 💔

[radiant harbor]

Oh yeah, the absence of sovereign Two's portrait in the University portrait hallway means she is one of the others or she just isn't there?

[split night]

Flowers don't have a talking function I think, they just kinda here and feel emotion

[mossy badge]

"1 of the others" ?

"Spymaster" obviously not gonna be there

[radiant harbor]

I meant behind the mask she's of the other people whose portrait is there

[mossy badge]

wat

No lol

[split night]

can you send me it im a little bit foggy in term of secret discoveries

[mossy badge]

_ _

[radiant harbor]

Mh... But her title is "sovereign"

[mossy badge]

Doesn't matter

[split night]

I think most citizens of Fruma don't even know the existent of Two

so it's fair

i think it's intentional

[mossy badge]

Btw guys theory: what if the inquisitors are ancient frumers
Tefris is that u bro

[split night]

Two is probably the Sovereign of ancient Frumanese in that case?

theory

[mossy badge]

I mean ye

She's for sure an ancient frumer

[split night]

I like that Fruma is basically one of the very well defined country that exist in Wynncraft

[uneven basin]

Real talk with is this guy hidden behind a secret-ish interraction

[cold cove]

I always thought she was one of the Olm that survived se

[mossy badge]

Also im just reading the royal reports again and tf do they mean "Report IA-120.1809", is that the exact date? 🥀

[split night]

you gotta translate the year to AP i think

[uneven basin]

I thought I was getting sweet loot but nah stargazing inquisitor it is

[mossy badge]

Its 1000 ap

All are 1000 ap

[split night]

yeah? did I say something wrong?

[mossy badge]

I mean the 1809 part

[uneven basin]

Prolly exact date like 120 yr of IA 18 month / day 09 month/ day

[split night]

18th september?

neat

[mossy badge]

He's suspiciously looking at the rosetta stone in the roughworks

Not the stars

[mossy badge]

What about Report IA-120.1687

Tf is 1687

[uneven basin]

Maybe they have long ass months

[mystic fulcrum]

even with the transcriber, those language still not readable

[split night]

month 87 day 16

[mossy badge]

I thought the length of celestial cycles are the same

[mossy badge]

Ye

[slim belfry]

I think the last four dont mean anything and were for the ARG?

[mossy badge]

Hop on #1489836179665981621

[mossy badge]

Well true but like..

Why is it not canon !!

[slim belfry]

what is what not canon

[mossy badge]

IA-120.1687 is obviously a date/+ordinel

IA 120 = 1000 ap, current year

[slim belfry]

yeah IA 120 is just the year

[mossy badge]

But whats the number after the dot

It doesn't seem to be ordinel cuz gavel one is higher than corkus

And doesn't seem to be standard month/day

It MUST be connected to the old fruman date system !!

[slim belfry]

1687 is a part of ARG coords

[split night]

maybe the number is just an identification of the report??

like

#1687

something like that

[mossy badge]

It can't be

[mossy badge]

_ _

[uneven basin]

What if they didn't think this through and just wanted a way to give is coords

[mossy badge]

Its just not canon ig, like there's also one where its in minus 💀

[mossy badge]

Rushed update frfr

[slim belfry]

which royal report is this on

[mossy badge]

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Royal_Reports

[slim belfry]

[-1687, 64, -2156] - Corkus

[mossy badge]

Would have been cool if they'd help with figuring out old fruman date system or smth

[slim belfry]

I do think it could be this

no other way to tell others of the same year except that

[unborn sage]

Dangerously close to 67

Keep your wits about you

[mossy badge]

Nah

[mossy badge]

_ _

Unless we canonically do corkus first and then rol lol

[slim belfry]

yeah true

[radiant harbor]

For all we know all of these reports may have happened after a journey further

[mossy badge]

Ah true ig

[uneven basin]

We should ditch the 1 year timeline tbh

[mossy badge]

How are we still in the same year 😭 🙏

[uneven basin]

Ig the current stance is "don't think about it too hard" but I am thinking about it what now salted ??

[slim belfry]

solution: it's at least 1000 AP

changing everything to be 10##

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/an-iq-too-high-raven-crow-tiktok-gif-3869671553367641450

[zenith coral]

indeed. make it a day

[hybrid gazelle]

CT do express in the past that they want to tweak wynncraft timeline a bit

we dont know the extact detail

but we likely will get some adjustment in wynncraft timeline

[zenith coral]

imagine the timeline from when we appear to the end of the game is a speedruns time. all quests, dungeons raids and other story-relevant things you can do (like the fruma mystery). and thats our timeline.

[hybrid gazelle]

what

[slim belfry]

dont think even zhiraok can do things that quickly

[narrow kestrel]

can someone explain why the dialogue isnt triggering for this secret discovery

[mossy badge]

Do u have his head

[narrow kestrel]

...

i had a full inv

mystery solved

LMFAO

[mossy badge]

🤯

[slim belfry]

why you doing content book stuff with a full inv smh

[narrow kestrel]

trying to clear this fuckass cave

but i couldnt figure out how to get to it

i ended up stumbling into dullahan's secret discovery by accident

and this one as well

😭

how do i return the head

[mossy badge]

Wdym?

[narrow kestrel]

the head

[mossy badge]

U pick up his head, bring it to his grave, boom

[narrow kestrel]

its still in my inv

[mossy badge]

Well u can just throw it out, btw he has additional dialogue all over the map

Like talking mushroom (u prolly dont know that if ur only lvl 80)

[narrow kestrel]

still dont know where the shit is the entrance to dullahan gardens

[narrow kestrel]

u mean when ur near the graves?

yea

i saw

just thought there would be more to it

[mossy badge]

No i mean all over the map

[slim belfry]

I think it's one of the openings near the main entrance

[narrow kestrel]

thats how i accidentally finished headless not homeless

😭

or are you talking aboput a diff entrance

[slim belfry]

different different

[mossy badge]

Yo bro i think the same ❤️‍🩹

[narrow kestrel]

motherfucker

???

WHY IS IT SO HIDDEN

nvm

thats nott he entrance

guessing its the exit

[mossy badge]

The entrance is in the castle

[narrow kestrel]

oh

[mossy badge]

At fruma gate:
What is he talkin about?

Is he just lying

[narrow kestrel]

gate is closed

[mossy badge]

Not inside the quest area

Left to the main door

[narrow kestrel]

oh

wooden door

its even more hidden

[mystic fulcrum]

damn Oru is ugly

[hybrid gazelle]

writing some speculation for Wasteland

[mossy badge]

https://tenor.com/view/may-the-4th-gif-4485159726167183104

[slim belfry]

yeah broken walls are my guess because they're so dang open

[mossy badge]

We dont see a single glimpse of the prison btw

[mystic fulcrum]

Oru looks like some sort of chimpanzee

I'm going to have a nightmare tonight since I saw his face

[slim belfry]

what are you talking about

[mystic fulcrum]

I go to the library and see the portrait of Oru

it's the first portrait on the left side right after you enter the library

covered by a blue curtan but you can still see it if you stand very close and jump up

[slim belfry]

it's a cat

[warped horizon]

gods i hope the wastelands are like a wild west inspired setting that'd be so cool

[zenith coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/924374894085566475/1406324484419616768/spingif.gif

oh boy

[zenith coral]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-friend-cat-image-friend-gif-16014775164715111297

cowboys and cats huh. are they trying to rot our brains?

[narrow kestrel]

how do i reaqch this place

[spring kernel]

is this for aldoreis secret

[narrow kestrel]

getting tired of these areas hidden by mountains

[narrow kestrel]

no

bigger picture

[spring kernel]

oh

it's in a cave

[narrow kestrel]

yeah a mushroom cave but i cant find the entrance

[spring kernel]

you can access it from the cinfras plains

[narrow kestrel]

how

cinfras is like 300m away

??

[mossy badge]

-209, 37, -4534

[narrow kestrel]

ty

it was outside aldorei

[hybrid gazelle]

more wasteland speculation

[quiet spire]

talking mushroom wants soda

[zenith coral]

is there new documented dialogue for the mushroom in fruma?

[mossy badge]

1 is on the wiki

But the other 3 ik about is not, 1 near the stump in auburn, 1 whille liff grinding 🔥 , another 1 releated to liff grinding

[zenith coral]

at this point i feel like the mushroom is kind of a 'honorary' main character

and we need his involvement in quests (which leads to funny outcomes) like quest npcs in storylines have lines for him

[mossy badge]

Talking mushroom is the goat

[mossy badge]

There are interactions between npcs and him

[zenith coral]

i mean more, like in moments where you choose your dialogue if you have the mushroom you can let him speak

[random hedge]

Hass there been any new dialouge after wartorn palace besides || Tasim at aledars grave ||

[zenith coral]

id like to know that too

[random hedge]

apparantly not 😭

[zenith coral]

kinda abprubt of an ending

[hybrid gazelle]

nope

[mossy badge]

Ye..

[zenith coral]

ig we need more epilogues

[random hedge]

I wanna know what happened to || rex, sui zhiraok and the other sovergins who were cool ||

[mystic fulcrum]

but tasim just gone after the interaction

[mossy badge]

I hope they change the boss cutscene to have the canon allies skins

[zenith coral]

i suppose the excuse os that part 2 of fruma is just picking off after this or smth idk

[random hedge]

That would be SOOOOOOO EPIC

[hybrid gazelle]

the epliogue just deems not worht delay the update for

so we likely see it later after some patch/update

[random hedge]

but added later would be awesome, then maybe a dialouge at the reward room once we beat the raid for the first timme

[zenith coral]

i mean just general lines from the character you can find where they acknowledge our victory after wtp

arguably we had this after apotheosis but cmon

[random hedge]

apotheosis didnt bring the story full circle, it was just the climax of everything

[zenith coral]

i meant the people we could talk to at the end of apotheosis. id like smth like this after wtp.

[random hedge]

Thats what I was talking about too

[mossy badge]

I wonder wtf will the wastelands have other than deraj and like 2 cave and atleast 1 secret discovery about changelings or smth

[zenith coral]

well sov 2 will presumably carry out her majestys plan

as mentioned by the big red moth

[mossy badge]

Wdym?

What plan

[zenith coral]

in her after defeat dialogue she mentions that she has faith in two to carry out her plan

so we will presumably cooperate with two to do... something. we will likeley explore the pre-fruma civilization and maybe try to find a way into dern to remove the mysterious power saphanius (or whatever its name is) has acquired through questionable means

[mossy badge]

I wonder if she'll be a long term ally

[zenith coral]

if she doesnt die thats likeley. she (and the queen) have a vested interest in fighting the ionfluences, and thats like the main conflict of s1 of wynn (still need the settings name devs)

[mystic fulcrum]

but why would two not mention about bob? Only have info about lari fall into the dark's claim

[mossy badge]

Cuz she knows about that?

She says she asks about what happened in rol cuz she couldn't see it

[zenith coral]

bob for all intents and purposes doesnt have a 'wider cosmically important role' in the war

[mystic fulcrum]

Bob is going to be very powerful if he could beat bak'al in combat

[warped horizon]

is that spamton with buzz lightyear wings

[whole river]

Bakal lost to a girl who has literally never seriously fought until that day so I think Bob is fine

[mossy badge]

Bakal lost.. ?

Didn't they just went into dern and we dont know what happened

[uneven basin]

The fact he had to play that card means he lost

[whole river]

^

[mossy badge]

Eh

[whole river]

there was no time restraint, and no reason he couldn't kill lari

if he COULD have, he would have done so there

[mossy badge]

Not killing her doesn't mean he lost

Ties exist

[whole river]

he even says as much and then gets dunked on

it wasnt a tie if you run to your master

he had to drag her to a hostile dimension with a godlike entity, idk sounds like he could not handle the smoke

[mossy badge]

Does the means matter?

If the goal was achieved in the end

[whole river]

yes

it does

he had to taunt and provoke her cuz he wasnt even able to physically drag her into the portal

https://tenor.com/view/thragg-mark-invincible-thragg-chasing-mark-mark-run-bro-gif-928852518044557497

this was how it went

[mossy badge]

I mean assuming lari dead, he won lol

[mystic fulcrum]

And turns out lari can't escape dern

[whole river]

she aint dead

[full harness]

One can only dream

[whole river]

the player is inevitably going there to make bakal's record be 0-3 so i dont see any reason why bakal "spared" her

its just that hes weak

[full harness]

I mean he went to go seal off one of the gods, I feel like that counts

[hollow lynx]

How do you know she isn't? She could be dead by now for all we know

[whole river]

cuz i know how narrative works

[mystic fulcrum]

She might just got brainwashed

[whole river]

you think they're going to tease that lari is still around just to kill her off when we get there?

wouldn't make sense

[hollow lynx]

Your name is #1 Lari Denfender

[mossy badge]

😂

[hollow lynx]

Not biasted at all I see

[whole river]

yeah and

you think they're fridging a character like lari?

[mossy badge]

Are u saying the opposite.. ?

[hollow lynx]

They could

[whole river]

its possible but fruma has shown the devs got much better with narrative sake

[whole river]

they wont though

i put 50stx on it

[hollow lynx]

I do not

[whole river]

gottem

[hollow lynx]

Rol does probably need some rewritting though

Like

Lari

200k hp

[narrow kestrel]

more lari crashing out please

[hollow lynx]

And she is an actual threat against bakal

[narrow kestrel]

they should stop putting

enemies with rapid fire

[hollow lynx]

We can't be fucking serious

[narrow kestrel]

and chungus hp bars

[whole river]

tbf hp isnt really consistent with lore

[narrow kestrel]

that early

😹

[full harness]

A bad one

[mossy badge]

I can easily see em killing the most hated wonncraft character

[whole river]

your weak ragebait does not sustain you need to cycle better

which ones did they fridge

im right before wtp so if its there then idk

[full harness]

Nvm

Don’t you worry bout it

[mossy badge]

Those who nose

[hollow lynx]

Most people don't even like Lari

[whole river]

i mean i dont mind the spoiler

you can just hide it if you want

[hollow lynx]

And she is most likely going to die anyways in dern assuming she isn't dead yet

[hybrid gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/umamusume-uma-musume-special-week-spe-chan-stare-gif-12138960336223403084

[tepid blade]

That still isn’t a good reason to fridge a character?

[whole river]

I mean thats a different convo

[hybrid gazelle]

Good thing that CT are not most people

[full harness]

Axelus didn’t survive and nobody hated him 😭

[whole river]

the convo is some agenda posters rn are saying shes already dead

[full harness]

Justice for Axelus

[whole river]

and im saying thats a dumb thought

which it is

[hollow lynx]

Please just kill lari

[hybrid gazelle]

Peopel be assuming Lari is dead like there is not million example of character disappear offscreen and come back later

FALL FOR IT AGAIN AWARD

[mossy badge]

Cutting at "omg what is this-" surely she aint alive

[mystic fulcrum]

I don't get why fruma queen said that orphion would take and destroy the world, there are no decay or any destruction cause by him in gavel

[full harness]

I was being sarcastic, I can barely remember him

[whole river]

people when they realize the devs dont just murder everyone at the end of every quest anymore

[hollow lynx]

Why they kill mora ):

[hybrid gazelle]

people when they realize the writers want to write a STORY and not to satisfy some people fantasize over a characte death because they just find them annoying

[full harness]

Mora should have gotten more spotlight ngl

[hollow lynx]

I agree

[full harness]

He ended up being a nothingburger

[hollow lynx]

Like they just kill him of casually

[full harness]

So zeph could yap

[hollow lynx]

Just kill zeph at that point

[hybrid gazelle]

||Mora being dead is important for Sui character to development||

||that the whole point||

||he is nothing burger, he serve his role well||

[whole river]

i would say its misogyny cuz there's way worse characters who dont get nearly the same slander but alas that would stir the pot

[full harness]

Syndra could have been enough

[hybrid gazelle]

COUGH COUHG orphion

Cough COUGH

[whole river]

at least she got as many fans as haters

[hybrid gazelle]

||She did not get to see Syndra death in person||

[hollow lynx]

Yes, but it just throws the whole character of mora aside anyways

[whole river]

orphion is ten times worse yeah

[tepid blade]

Well, to be fair, he had the death flags from the beginning

[mossy badge]

"Fans" are just gooners

[whole river]

using gooners in big 2026

[hollow lynx]

He was getting build up to just die

[whole river]

what are we doing

[hybrid gazelle]

Assuming fans of female characters being made up of gooners?

okay man

[mossy badge]

Have u not seen the lari gifs lol

[hybrid gazelle]

You cant even like character for good reason anymore, now when they are women it's for gooner reason

okay

[tepid blade]

Don’t insult people just for liking a character is a fictional story

[whole river]

never seen anyone above the age of 12 use gooner anymore

[hybrid gazelle]

WOAH I DONT KNOW A GIF IS A DECIDING FACTOR

WOAH

[full harness]

Ngl just cause u r killing someone doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be developed, honestly the opposite. When he died I was genuinely like that’s a shame, he had cool powers and I wanted to learn more about him

[hybrid gazelle]

WHATTTT

HOWWWW

[mossy badge]

What word should i use instead, englighten me

[hybrid gazelle]

WOAHHHH

[hollow lynx]

Seen too many people above the age of 12 use gooner frequently

[whole river]

maybe start high school and your vocab expands

[hollow lynx]

What are we doing

[mossy badge]

Bro started ragebaiting

[hollow lynx]

But, like

What word is there for gooner that doesn't make you look like a bozo

[whole river]

you called lari fans gooners and got upset no one supported the comment

[hybrid gazelle]

The writers said they have plan with Zeph

so yes

[whole river]

cmon pixelrift you can do better

[mossy badge]

What are u talking about

[hybrid gazelle]

||mora being dead matter||

[mossy badge]

Ur just making shit up now lol

[full harness]

I mean have you seen like 90% of the ava and lari fans

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK man maybe

[whole river]

?

[hybrid gazelle]

have you?

[whole river]

have you?

[hollow lynx]

Just look at lari gifs tbh

[full harness]

I mean you gotta squint first

[hybrid gazelle]

because for most of the time I interact with Lari fans and Ava fans

[hybrid gazelle]

squint what

I interact wit hthem many time

even one of them is on CT