📚lore_discussion

[cyan mortar]

||why cant you tell tasim about aledar anymore???|| 1st fruma quest question

^ or did i do something wrong

[azure tangle]

not done yet

[indigo timber]

||what is the wind house? I'm lost||

[azure tangle]

||the base in the auburn forest||

[indigo timber]

ahh ok

[cyan mortar]

should i just not play 😭

[river rivet]

Are there any other ways to find the others after apotheosis/twp? it's weird how everyone kinda dissapeared

[hybrid gazelle]

Epilogue is not finish yet

[cerulean osprey]

can't wait to see how wastelands changes the fruma story

[cyan mortar]

geniunely should i just not play if the story isnt fully done yet or whatever

[slim belfry]

would be nice to have the ||offscreen rescuing once again be a part of the story||

[rotund gust]

can’t wait for sovereign oru to just be an old man who can barely walk since they’ve been a sovereign since the queen came to power

[slim belfry]

or he's really strict on staying hydrated

those who know

[gleaming apex]

The main story is done, the alternative route isn't

[pliant egret]

||Has anyone figured out the rune door in the Palace?||

[gleaming apex]

Think it's not openable yet

[pliant egret]

ah ok seemed like it might've just been something alse

[cyan mortar]

if ||not telling tasim|| is the alternative route i would rather do that 😭

idk i feel wrong not doing that

i dont want to not do that

[foggy field]

For the Celebrations in Smoke Quest ||is there a way to know who actually tried to burn the statue thing? I just finished it||

[pallid glen]

why is true colors so railroady

no option to tell tasim about aledar, no option to accept the queen's offer

[slim belfry]

nope

[foggy field]

damn

[hybrid gazelle]

The current route in the game is intended experience

[hybrid gazelle]

1. The situation do not offer you a chance to tell Tasim

2. Accept the crown offer would make entirely new story that wynncraft do not have the resource to make

[pallid glen]

I mean you can still just tell him

[hybrid gazelle]

||in that circumstance, you rush to tell the canopy they are being compromise||

[pallid glen]

also if you don't want the player to have an option don't write up a story that puts the player in a situation where they have that option

[hybrid gazelle]

||there is no chance to tell Tasim about Aledar cause there are more pressing mattwr||

[pallid glen]

I can't do any better but like

the whole "you're a bad person for killing the only chance you had against the other beasts"

[hybrid gazelle]

||because there no option in that situation, you have to hurry up to tell the canopy they news||

[pallid glen]

• "no, you can't meet with the crown"

[river rivet]

Imo the player being unable to tell him is kinda out of character

[hybrid gazelle]

||no?||

[hybrid gazelle]

How is that out of character ||given situation literally habe them need to rush to canopy||

[pallid glen]

that's what the queen says

not necessarily true but it's her angle

[hybrid gazelle]

What you mean

[river rivet]

At one point you can select the "tell him" option like 10 times in a row only for the player to just refuse to do so

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah because

That situation allow the player to do that

True color do not

[river rivet]

The player literally says "I won't tell him"

[hybrid gazelle]

You misunderstood the what I meant

[pallid glen]

I mean, you still had some time

enough for one statement, surely

[hybrid gazelle]

The situation in queen’s recruit give option of possibility of telling Tasim the truth in a way that it make sense even if they refuse to do it(again when the route come out, you will option too)

[hybrid gazelle]

||the possibility of trying to tell someone that their friend is dead and you responsible it, take more time than you think. Even then your character not be able to consider cause again the circumstance limit the time as there are more pressing matter||

||literally your character would forget about that with all things going on||

||is your focus in that situation rn is telling Tasim the truth or literally trying to go tell the canopy as soon as possible||

[pallid glen]

it's a roleplay game, my character gets to want whatever I want

[hybrid gazelle]

||cause you do realize telling Tasim that his friend is dead and you responsible for it would have yoh leave mid convo and leave him with that statement. That not a good way to break the new||

||yes it’s roleplay game but the writers can only do so much to expand how much you can roleplay given their resource||

||so they focus on one straight forward story||

[hardy knoll]

Ok. I love the fact that you can fight Zhiroak again ! That's well thought ^^

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah

||wait can you refight Gikyo?||

[hardy knoll]

Wynncraft should definitely make a place where you can fight boss like this like fighting Tasim again or other human like NPC ^^

[hardy knoll]

Didn't fought him yet

[hybrid gazelle]

Them

[lunar vector]

fa

[hardy knoll]

My bad

[pallid glen]

what was that

did I just make an innocent person burn

[signal bough]

yep

[slim belfry]

you didn't have a choice of everyone being alive it's either that or ||all three of them die||

[pallid glen]

what

how do you make them all die

[slim belfry]

||I think get enough evidence that you can choose none of them||

[signal bough]

||but the festival organizer just burns them all anyways||

[half compass]

BROOOOOOOOOO

NOT THE TRAGIC YURI IN WYNNCRAFT

IM SO DONE

WHYYYYY

omfg

just did A Missing Piece

gonna cry myself to sleep

[rotund gust]

this is a for all of the bosses of the main questline (idk about the one from fort torann at the end of journey home but he’s more of a miniboss)

all of the sovereigns are able to be rematched

[hasty spoke]

genuenlly really sad quest

[acoustic kindle]

guyd i|| dont think Tasim likes us anymore...||

[half compass]

honestly yeah || i cant believe they're never gonna meet each other again :(((||

[cyan mortar]

but i dont like it :(((

[hasty spoke]

||You bury her yourself, and you don't tell syndra. Like with Tasim, you kill his friend and don't tell him. You know the secrets and don't tell||

[civic wren]

i dont understand how the queen|| dies in the end, shes the manifest war of orphion and sephardus (whatever his name was), as long as they are in conflict anathema cant die. i guess its just a plot hole||

[hasty spoke]

Not-quite silent protagonist

[rotund gust]

i’m also disappointed alt route got cut but i understand why

[dim plover]

Cut?

I thought it just wasn’t finished

[half compass]

GAHHHH 😭 💔

[rotund gust]

well the finished parts in queens recruit were cut

[dim plover]

Yeah because the route wasn’t done

[rotund gust]

yeah but that’s still a cut

it was in game

now it’s not

[ruby vector]

[split night]

...?
I failed to see what your logic is.
Does a person still alive if someone stab them in the gut while they still have medicine nearby to take, food nearby to eat and time to heal?
You don't survive such damage when you sustain a large amount of them even with food and healing option available right around you

||Her is a manifest of their hate doesn't mean she can't die||

[civic wren]

||huh? shes is the manifestation of war. it literally states it. Her spark is sustained by the conflict of the two opposing forces in realm of influence, just because her body is injured, it doesn't make sense for her spark to fade||

[split night]

Is a god immortal just because it is natural to its world?
Orphion can be Killed if we let the parasite sucking him for long enough as seen in many quest and discovery

It wouldn't make any sense if the child can't be killed yet her parent can.
Her spark to fade is similar to His pulse being near its end when we arrive at gavel

[civic wren]

I dont think you understand

[split night]

Understand what?

War isn't natural, it can be killed, it is lesser than even the two forces

[civic wren]

Yeah youre not getting it

No worries

[split night]

If you argument boiled down to me not getting because you find no words to even contribute to this conversation then, what kind of fallacy is this, what kind of argument tactic is this, what is your point, what don't you understand?

You're not getting it, I'm afraid

[civic wren]

If you focus more on the conceptual aspect than the linguistic sprinkles aspect then youd understand it lol

[slim belfry]

||she's the realm given its own will
killing her is like killing the realm's mind and leaving the body to do things without her||

[split night]

There that's more like it

[split night]

Conceptual aspect I already say it all, I literally am focusing on it did you miss what I said?

[slim belfry]

you could've said something similar instead of being pedantic...

[civic wren]

This also does not make sense, the realm is still the emergent phenomena. The writers of this storyline were approaching metaphysical constructs of good/evil, and spirit

[split night]

Yeah sorry I have this habit of speaking in weird way and not getting straight to my point

xd

[civic wren]

I'd imagine the person writing it has knowledge of philsophy, ontology and metaphysics

[slim belfry]

they're not "good" and "evil"
the beasts solely work off meeting their own ends without any moral considerations

[split night]

What make sense really, it's literally beyond physic, beyond our logic and beyong our capability to make sense of it

There is not even good and evil

[civic wren]

??? Alright I give up

[slim belfry]

auree you might wanna step back a bit for this

[split night]

Okay, you should do the talking because I feel like I need to work on my wording a little bit better

[civic wren]

focus less on wording and more on the idea

i used to be like that in college lol

[slim belfry]

you can still dive into how they work
I don't see anything wrong doubting what's been put forward but seems like there's some kind of disconnect between your understanding and what context is given

which is fair because many of us are still processing the information

[split night]

It's pretty new really, 7 years of no main gameplay information and then they kinda bomb us with so much lore

They haven't add all of the post-raid dialog too

I want to see them all

[gleaming apex]

Here's part of an answer: ||It's implied part of the reason she can be killed because she bound herself into the form of the queen, which is why there's an idea of doing the same to Orphion and Saphanis with the resonance weaver. I think. I could be wrong||

[civic wren]

I'm giving CT the benefit of the doubt, considering that this is a metaphysical idea that they would be consistent with it. My understanding of metaphysics and based off of my knowledge of the lore, is that if Anathem is quite literaly manifest conflict of the two opposing forces, then she is sustained by virtue of their conflict. Its not that the spark is emergent of the conflict, her BODY is emergent, whereas she herself IS conflict, and as a result the only way for her to ||truly die is if there is the cessation of conflict, meaning she ceases to be. That requires both Orphion and Sephardus to, in essence, to merge (since their nature is to overtake each other, buddhist philosophy) ||

[slim belfry]

||no they're asking about anathema herself as a beast
not the shell||

[split night]

-# I honestly do like this answer, it's like trapping a god in the vessel of a human and kill it, it's a really good working theory

[slim belfry]

||that's actually pretty close because she can still come back
she says post-raid that she might come back but with nothing of what she is before
as long as there's war she can come back||

[split night]

|| Yeah I forgot to mention that she do die but she won't die for long, I think for her to die is for either one of the God to die or both of them stop fighting||

[civic wren]

||Yeah that makes sense, but i remember choosing the option to try and revive her and it said its too late, soemthing along the lines of her spark has vanished, which is why i made my initial statement of how thats possible. I do want to see more of Anathem in the future considering shes a great character||

[slim belfry]

||yeah this is why the only way to stop orphion and saphanis is to take down dern's advantage then seal them both||

||you can't truly kill them||

||this is why many of us were thinking the rebels were kinda stupid thinking they can before we learned how they work||

[split night]

||Even if you can, it would lead to calamity for the realm of existent or at least something close to that, we may or may not die if one of them actually die||

[slim belfry]

ehhhhhhhhhhh

||physical plane would be okay without any realm of influence||

[dim plover]

Hi I hear Realm lore what’s up

I know Realm lore

I think

[split night]

|| I think I like the way Rurie put it, they know and want to deal with a tyrannical ruler, NOT a god xd||

[split night]

||No i mean like, only one realm influencing them instead of two fighting each other for influence||

[slim belfry]

how the realms work and the beasts in relation to them

[civic wren]

Thing is, we cant touch the realm of influence, since the wynn world is also an emergent phenomona of both orphion and ||sephardus,|| realm of influence isn't a eucledian territory, so im curious how they would go through the dern storyline

[gleaming apex]

We literally go to the RoL

[civic wren]

Realm of influence isnt RoL

[split night]

|| Fighting queen is possible in their eye but like, fighting Anathema is something beyond their comprehension||

[dim plover]

I always interpreted it as like, the Beasts being extensions of the Realms

[gleaming apex]

The realm of light is in the plane of influence

[slim belfry]

the realm of light IS a realm of influence

[dim plover]

Or like the beasts are the realms

[dim plover]

RoL is a Realm of Influence

[gleaming apex]

It is an actual place you can walk around in

[dim plover]

The Realm of Light, War and Dark are the realms of influence

[civic wren]

The questline literally had an explanation for the realm of influence

[teal quarry]

||The Dern Beast's name is Saphanis lol||

[gleaming apex]

Yeah, and it literally showed the realm of light is in the plane of influence

[dim plover]

All three realms make up the Plane of Influence

[split night]

||I still really like Saphanis as a name for Dern Beast, it's so pretty||

[dim plover]

While our world is the Physical Plane

[civic wren]

Alright maybe im confusing actual metaphysics with what they say in the game, im giving ct benefit of the doubt here

let me recheck how they describe realm of influence

[dim plover]

Basically it’s like this

[slim belfry]

if you want pretend there's an invisible axis perpendicular to the planes

[gleaming apex]

The tree literally says these are the three realms of the plane of influence you care about

[civic wren]

What was that quest called

[gleaming apex]

Realm of light IV finding the light

[split night]

What if the portal work like this

actually holdo n

[slim belfry]

I know exactly what you meant by that image but they look like piles of goo 😭

[civic wren]

Oh yeah it says the realms are the manifestations of them

[split night]

xd

[split night]

I think I should just stick to 2d lines

[slim belfry]

hold on one second

[atomic hamlet]

Finally did The Missing Piece

[slim belfry]

let me try something for a few minutes

[atomic hamlet]

CT officially redeemed itself after ASP2

[split night]

I find it crazy that it is a side quest, the story truly is a work of art

[dim plover]

ASP?

[atomic hamlet]

It has such a simple premise but gets it executed really well

[atomic hamlet]

Aldorei’s Secret Part 2

[dim plover]

Oh ok

[atomic hamlet]

Which CT said something about being tired of all feedback surrounding the storyline being negative incentivizing them to write something good this time

Because they definitely succeeded

[split night]

We haven't enter the RoD yet so that one is out of the picture

[neat oriole]

derned

[split night]

I think war should be intertwined with the thing but I'm not sure

[slim belfry]

ok I really suck at 3D graphing software but here's close to how I see the planes and realms

[split night]

space elevator

[civic wren]

Itd be crazy if at the end the conflict between orphion and ||serphardus|| was happening inside the main character, and our fixing it is was representative of a great internal conflict within us that we resolved

[split night]

why are you calling her serphardus xd

[civic wren]

i forgot the name for the dern person

[split night]

Okay fair enough

[winged narwhal]

It’s Bob

[slim belfry]

||sephanis||

[split night]

yeah her name is ||Sephanis||, it's a pretty name

[slim belfry]

I'd say they to play it safe for now

[split night]

I'd like to interpret it for a while until we got more, I'm fine with knowing what S is really because that doesn't stop me from making them kiss

[civic wren]

bruh

[slim belfry]

true

[split night]

is everytime someone sent a server link they got hacked?

[slim belfry]

yes

[split night]

it's kinda scary that so many people got hacked huh the frequency of the server link send thing

[teal quarry]

||With an a not an e lmao||

[slim belfry]

oops

||Saphanis|| yeah

[hardy knoll]

Got it :3

[slim belfry]

I always get one letter off

[civic wren]

going to have to clean my eyes with hand sanitizer

[split night]

I must genuinely thank igotyoursix for drawing this piece of art, I love it so much

The queen will watch from the chair

[slim belfry]

erm they're kinda like her abusive parents

eh what am I saying that doesnt stop anyone

[split night]

Yeah they pretty much are

xd

It's weird that Orphion have a track record of mistreating his children

[slim belfry]

yeah I've always not liked orphion ever since the RoL 2

I know what he is

[split night]

saying "I know what he is" just make this even more funny idk why

They really do need to make Orphion work better as a character really, a lot of his decisions is really confusing and doesn't make sense a lot of the time

I always turn to the theory that he have foresight and can see the future and have god tier level planning skill for us to come around and save him

[civic wren]

nah orphion was a desperate fool, he fumbled badly

[dim plover]

What are the instructions for this

[split night]

Idek how he did not notice that a tick entered his realm while he talk to S

like, it was right behind him

xd

[slim belfry]

the art of distraction

[civic wren]

exactly, if hes the manifest of the realm, and the realm is the manifest of him, he should have awareness over it

[split night]

Can't let his babe S hanging

[civic wren]

orphion is a fraud confirmed

[slim belfry]

true

[split night]

xD

[hardy knoll]

From what I guess happened is :

1- Get all the item you can get during the quest "Through the Pipes" (Firecraker, Cage, Ring)

2- When you are with Fichu do not hit the boat. (I did not hit it even once I don't know if you can hit it once or twice so try none)

[split night]

I still LOVE that ||Anathema|| is their unexpected child

and Dark won the custody over her

[neat oriole]

p sure it's hitless on last stage

[slim belfry]

||instead of being their love child she's their hate child||

[misty jetty]

does anyone know why the ability to tell Tasim was removed from The Queen's Recruit? I haven't actually played the Full release quest yet, I'm just going off of what others have told me.

[split night]

We have two instances of their child disliking them

[slim belfry]

it was incomplete
it'll be added again later

[split night]

Should I call it disliking?
Lari just kinda frustrated at the fact that Orphion ghosted her

[misty jetty]

Alright, guess I'll have to wait then

[hardy knoll]

They didn't add all dialogue on the "Tell" one so they did not putted it for the moment

[winged narwhal]

Didn’t Qira have some kind of ambiguous deal with the Dern Beast

[hardy knoll]

A content team had answered me I'll try to find the message

[dim plover]

Alright

[drifting aurora]

what

[split night]

From what I gather from other people, Qira is basically unrelated to anything happening in the game
She's... just kinda there kidnapping people to be her slave and challenge random adventurer

[hardy knoll]

Here it is !

[winged narwhal]

Or at least the dark

[split night]

||It seems like War is assisting Dark and queen has nothing to do with it||

[slim belfry]

uhhh

[misty jetty]

Alright, good to know, just gives me more time to grind for my build. I've been reduced to poverty to buy a weathered

[split night]

the Bak'al incident

[dim plover]

Technically the TNA Raid is part of the Realm of Darkness

[slim belfry]

auree did you finish the raid

[formal bridge]

||i think it's just bak'al doing that and he's got a degree of control over the corrupted, not the rest of war in general||

[split night]

yeah... did i miss something

[slim belfry]

^

[split night]

opportunist bastard

[misty jetty]

Yeah I would say frustration is more accurate, since she is still loyal to Orphion even after all the neglect, meanwhile Ana seemed to detest both Dawn and Shade.

[split night]

They really need to learn how be a better parent

😔

[slim belfry]

they do need to but don't care

[gleaming apex]

Yes

[misty jetty]

Nah, bad and naughty children with moral compasses, that say "it's bad to turn people into cybermen actually" get put in the trolly problem time loop.

[civic wren]

im getting real pagan vibes from this chat

[split night]

I kinda want an AU where Orphion actually contact Lari and give her a test to make her doubt her pacifism and then us coming to Gavel reenfocing that doubt

[gleaming apex]

She says that ||Bak'al betrayed her for the dark||

[slim belfry]

we already know the answer for how the beasts would approach the trolley problem

[split night]

oh what

wtf

[slim belfry]

I hope it's not me

[gleaming apex]

She literally asks you to kill him

[split night]

oh is it one of the dialogs? i have only finished the raid one time

[gleaming apex]

Yeah

[dim plover]

Qira technically has ties to both the War of the Realms and Fruma though

Like, really vague and loose ties but they're still there

[civic wren]

You are an affiliate from that wretched picture you sent

[split night]

...so like do i have to do the raid like 9 more times to extract all of it

[winged narwhal]

The Light knows best

[slim belfry]

it's just a silly drawing someone here made

[split night]

Orphion and S kissing

[misty jetty]

Nah, Imma keep trying to kill that doctor till the Light either smites me or beats me down enough that I comply with his demands.

[split night]

I genuinely find it impressive that they make a fox/dog kissing an owl work, somehow

[gleaming apex]

There's a doc

[split night]

gimme

[split night]

Like just look at their mouth xd

[slim belfry]

the power of an education in veterinary medicine

[misty jetty]

wait do we know what S looks like yet?

[split night]

No

[misty jetty]

k

[slim belfry]

that's a fan design

[split night]

we only see her eyes im afraid

[misty jetty]

Well, one eye

[misty jetty]

which we blinded

[winged narwhal]

I mean we know S has limbs

[gleaming apex]

||https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FeIyKgKSvTZc9R2xyJXjibaLKravjEqveKG5sB87iG8/edit?usp=drivesdk||
Yeah it's pretty important to read all of this for the lore

[split night]

yeah it is a fan design, designed by our lovely @hybrid gazelle
and give way to Orphion and S kissing

[split night]

alright thank you

[misty jetty]

Oh yeah I've seen that on tumblr, it looks sick

big ol' shadow cat thing

right?

[split night]

I started it with this one as well

[winged narwhal]

Do people expect a female S?

[dim plover]

Probably won't be female but I really want a female Dern Beast lmao

[split night]

depend really, any gender work because it won't stop me from making Orphion and S kissing

[slim belfry]

||someone jokingly pointed out that in ensemble of hope
the light uses rod structures while the dark uses holes

what did they mean by that||

[split night]

what did they mean by this

[shut hornet]

the light also has holes

theyre just like, cracks

[slim belfry]

oh right

[split night]

...I'd like to not get my imagine running wild

xd

[slim belfry]

the whole sequence was pretty interesting

||like how the heck did everyone go||

[dim plover]

Yeah but is that not just a byproduct of stabbing monoliths into the ground

The dark's holes are like, actually meant to be there

Like they're the main thing

[winged narwhal]

The Light knows best

[slim belfry]

||they frickin sucked everyone into the monoliths smh ||

light knows best my stupid rear

[split night]

It really reenforce the idea that Light is just in nature the same as Dark

But like, Light offer comfort while taking your world while Dark just make it hurt

we do know how the obelisk feel like when it suck people in

[civic wren]

Wow this explains a lot. ||Thats sad though, the Anathema we know is not coming back||

[misty jetty]

Do we think there are other creatures of influence, like beyond Dawn and Shade, or perhaps lesser than those forces who might be benevolent? Or if such beings existed would they have fallen to the conquests of Light and Dark?

[hybrid gazelle]

The tree said Therr are more realms

So yeah likely

[winged narwhal]

Do you not want to be without suffering?

[hybrid gazelle]

But we don’t know any of them

God I really wanna remake death to see wha i can do

[misty jetty]

Fair... I think I actually asked this question before

[slim belfry]

would death's realm count

[hybrid gazelle]

I always have an idea for how to remake dearth in mind

Death canonically don’t count

[misty jetty]

Yeah death's realm really needs a rework

[hybrid gazelle]

But I wanna see what I can do if I were to remake death into realm beast

[split night]

It just gonna come back, mindless, soulless
I'm kinda sad that it has to be this way

[slim belfry]

ok good because that would be concerning

[misty jetty]

Oh yeah no people can come and go as they please... which completely invalidates all emotional stakes in death's like Aledar's

[slim belfry]

realm of capitalism where all the silverbull people came from

[hybrid gazelle]

My idea rn is that instead of having 1 realm beast

Death have multiple manifestation that manifest depends on belief

Unlike other realm, death realm is more closely tie with physical plane therefore it has full connection at all time

[split night]

I love how everyone just collectively agree that death realm doesn't make sense and we should throw it away

[misty jetty]

because it doesn't and we should

in @hybrid gazelle 's words, "we need to fing kill Beyond the Grave"

[hybrid gazelle]

I just imagine many manifestation of death just gone by different name and apperance

[slim belfry]

"wow that krolton guy was tough I'm glad nobody else and I had to die to kill them"

[split night]

It just kinda make everything in the story feel like it have less weight knowing it is (NOT) canon that we can come back to life through a silly random realm

[hybrid gazelle]

Like Wynn depict death as winged soldier taking the death to peaceful afterlife

[misty jetty]

Yo that'd be sick

[hybrid gazelle]

The ocean habe common belief thst death is more oceanic look

Idk yet

I will workshop the idea more

Becuase this require exploring different culture

[misty jetty]

Yeah, I've made my own explanation for how the soldier returns to life

[hybrid gazelle]

But the main idea is that if there a common belief enough, death will manifest a new manifestation

[split night]

I'd like to have Beyond the quest stationed after A journey further
I just, kinda want to see Aledar have his rest and his peace

[misty jetty]

What if Fruma doesn't have an actual depiction of death, or if it does it subconciously takes a form similar to either the inquistors or the queen?

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah I imagine fruma’s death would be different but I gotta think

[hybrid gazelle]

Pfffffttt

Lmao

[slim belfry]

massive coping lol

[split night]

For me my explanation for my player's Character is that we have a limited foresight, like we can only see about 5-15 Minutes ahead of us ( on a similar note, also see the past in a more in depth and further way ), that's why we are the bastard that cannot be killed no matter how impossibly hard to survive the circumstance is
Like we solo'd Overtaken Orphion canonically by being resourceful and know when to dodge xd

[hybrid gazelle]

Also death in tjis take

[split night]

I just want to see Aledar again 🥺

[hybrid gazelle]

I imagine them being weaker than ||anathema||

[slim belfry]

have you finished post raid

[hybrid gazelle]

They just concept that exist along side physical plane

[winged narwhal]

I mean, at present wynncraft death is just a Pratchett reference

[split night]

I'd like to take that the closer a realm naturally is to the realm of exist the weaker they become

[split night]

what, there is a dialog related to how we revive??

[misty jetty]

Oh, that make's a lot of sense, but where did they get this ability? It is due to their lacking a person? Like they have no present only the past or potential futures?

[slim belfry]

nope
yknow what
go read 4.2.1.1 yourself

[hybrid gazelle]

Also to connect to my demon homebrew

Since doguns are creation of garaheth

Their souls are belong to it

Not death

So death do not come to collect them

[split night]

have you seen the movie like where the protag can see only 2 minute ahead and he have all this Quantum Immortality shits going on
it's kinda how I imagine us doing it yeah but on a 15 Minutes range to make us even more OP

[hybrid gazelle]

If you make a pact with demons, your soul is their to collect

Which is unfortunate for doguns since by existing, they already formed a pact to Garaheth

[slim belfry]

rip

[frozen turtle]

makes sense, i remember in the death realm like only villagers and humans werethere

[hybrid gazelle]

Oh no I am talking about my idea for death

But yeah

This also apply to elves

Since elves kinda

[frozen turtle]

elves are weird

[hybrid gazelle]

Offer themselves tot he light??

Yeah they fucked

[frozen turtle]

probably

and orcs are

[split night]

||WTF... did Anathema look at US directly?||

[frozen turtle]

soulless

[slim belfry]

who really knows lol

[split night]

not soulless, just... kinda dumb but also not dumb?

idk how to call it

[slim belfry]

orcs have souls smh

[split night]

I think we are just really good at calculating our next move, either that or we have 15 minute foresight xd

[split night]

yeah they're sentience and kind of sapien

[frozen turtle]

its just a theory, cuz it doesnt make sense for them not to appear in the death realm

[split night]

I'm not counting Death Realm as canon, don't even think of it that way because the amount of thing we killed, the realm would be flooded with shit like cow or grook or smth

[frozen turtle]

nah death realm is cannon

it 100% is real

[split night]

I suppose most of the human we killed doesn't have a soul either

[frozen turtle]

and also has an hourglass dictating the end of the world which is fun

[misty jetty]

I have not seen that movie, but that sounds cool.
My explanation, which I think I posted before, but this will hopefully be more concise, is this: Individual's born on either the Vernal or Autumnal Equinox, when the Realms of Influence and Physicality are closest, have a chance to be born splintered.
Effectievly while they have a body in the Physical realm their soul's exist as energy within Influence, and thus when ever their physical form dies, the energy of their soul splinters partially and forms a new body in Physicality. They can do this up to, 12 (I'm pretty sure that was the default Soul Point count) a day, but only regain one new soul point after resting.

[split night]

||dialog 4.2.1.1 in raid Implied that Anathema saw something in us, something so much grander, a familiar spark to herself. Something hide the spark within us by carving an endless emptiness||

It's weird, but like, a lot of quest implying that we are very empty inside yet never stated why but after raid ||it seems like that was on purpose||

[slim belfry]

many people have their own theory as to what the player is now

[misty jetty]

Yeah, I wonder what force hid whatever is inside us

Because she specifically says that Orphion and Saphanis both missed it

[split night]

Not even Orphion and S know about it to A's word
so I'd say something immensely powerful or at least a group of magician has force something in us that make us able to take on great atrocities

[slim belfry]

I'm drawn to ||something akin to the world producing a mind to represent itself whether being itself or a scion||

[misty jetty]

Yeah I was about to say, like whatever force controlled the Weave originally

[split night]

you mean like... a BEAST of the plane of physical existent|| was forced inside of us?||

That actually really is a very good theory, like

I REALLY like that

[misty jetty]

Yo, that'd be sick

[slim belfry]

yeah or not

[split night]

it might be wrong but like

genuinely that's so sick

[slim belfry]

I'm also onboard
us popping into existence lol

[split night]

CT shivering as we getting closer to wynniverse lore

[warm flicker]

thats what im doing, not letting my boy tasim go through that trauma again

[split night]

Okay okay, to sum up
A saw something in us, a ||spark|| buried deep withing the vast ||empty|| to hide it from the eyes of Gods
and we are theorizing that that ||Spark|| is the Beast of the realm of physical existent

[misty jetty]

Maybe it's something to do with time? I mean we're able to view memories of the past, even those in the mind's of others, but there's no real explaination for that power, other than I guess Time Valley? Is that supposed to be the explanation, but then how does the explain the stuff we see in Gavel, like the founding of Elfim?

[split night]

Yeah like
We can see into the past and ( in my interpretation on how we revive, we can see into the limited future ) a lot of weird memories stuff that are not belong to us

[civic wren]

I thought only the realm of influences have it, the realm of physical is just a reflection

[slim belfry]

go to 1.6.2 and look at the wording

[civic wren]

She did say familiar spark, so i wonder if theres a third influence and thats us

maybe balance

[split night]

Realm of Physic in the quest explanation is a third cube similar to Light and Dark while realm of War is just a mirror

btw can we agree on a single definition for the phyiscal world

im tired of making new one everytime we talk about it xd

[misty jetty]

Spoilers for 1.6.2 Ana's words ||"A spark… re-lit… a blank slate… a brand new miracle…" what if we're something similar, a beast died and we were the result, which is why our spark is hidden?||

[warm flicker]

when i went through this in the beta, one line stuck with me, calling us - the player - a ||bottomless well|| of potential. That is such a good descriptor that i wanna use it as a title or something

[civic wren]

"For, you see, this realm, this plane- It is mirrored upon a second plane, as the embodiments of Realms clash."

[split night]

is this saying that the RoP is a mirror to RoW or something, i thought it said that we are a new world, a new thing for the Realm of Influence to latch on and stuff

yeah i'm just gonna call it Realm of Physic, seem fitting

[split night]

I keep hearing that we were like weak in Fruma before I play Fruma but like
Everything happened in Fruma just kinda reinforce that we are so overwhelmingly powerful that we might as well just a freak of nature

[warm flicker]

our "freak of nature" arc began when we met Lari and defeated the thing poisoning half of Gavel. That questline is when we went from competent soldier to something more powerful. Every other adventure weve had only reinforces this - stopping the canyon colossus, blinding the dern beast etc

[misty jetty]

What being a Pulse does to a soldier

[split night]

we stop a lot of apocalypstic threats to the world it's like we're an antigen working tirelessly to prevent calamity

[split night]

Orphion giving us drug

[misty jetty]

Though, I'm still not sure there's any material advantage we get from being Orphion's Pulse. I mean we don't get cool Light wings like Lari

[misty jetty]

Man, he just gave my soldier ptsd and migraines

[warm flicker]

all i got from orphion was gaslighting and a list of chores

[misty jetty]

yeah that too

[split night]

player's Character is up interpretation really
for me, being his pulse mean that as a Bolt i get to be an angel with wing and halo in my Ultimate

a lot of class archetype have light themed ultimate actually

[misty jetty]

the humble pattern breaking Shadestepper

which is what my main file/soldier oc is

[civic wren]

yeah I think all 3 realms are tied together, when they use the term mirror it means that they influence this plane, so it would make sense when you said our spark is the physical, and its a reflection of us

[split night]

I just call my oc Ari Fletcher because she is a boltslinger
i am so creative in naming things

[civic wren]

could be that the sorrow within us that we discovered from quest is coming from their clashing

[misty jetty]

Oh, that's actually a really good name. My guy's name is Gene Eric

[split night]

It hard to make sense of it but I agree with you

[split night]

This is hilarious

xd

[misty jetty]

Yep,

Scion of the Eric family, a vassel house to House Thalass

[split night]

Ari Fletcher is name I choose partly because Ari sound close to Auree and in medieval time people use to make their profession as their last name so

[misty jetty]

Yeah, I was wondering if the profession custom was what you were doing there.

[split night]

elite ball knowledge

my oc is just kinda is existing on top of everyone theory about how powerful we are I guess
What is the best disguise if not being a normal human?

[misty jetty]

[split night]

I love the idea that we are so generic that we fool gods

[misty jetty]

I had not realized how horrifying that emoji was going to be

[split night]

[misty jetty]

same, though Gene is kinda the oposite since he's catnip to the gods. Like he has a pact with one lesser being of Influence (a god named Hemotaph who I came up with), he's an unwilling Pulse of Orphion, and he's at least touched by S after the events of A Hunter's Calling.

[split night]

Gene Eric is just a bunch of thing combined
that unironically make him generic

It'd be so funny doing a roleplay with the ocs xd

I do imagine that whatever powerful is within us is just a shard that is shared for 3 other people, except for NoL, all of the raids are canonically done with 4 people I think

[misty jetty]

Oh, that's a cool concept.

[slim belfry]

I think the canon is one

at least for the player main character

[split night]

]

I think most Gods can see a bit of the future

just a bit, one river, one timeline compare to a lot of them

[misty jetty]

Though dungeons, which can actually be done by one person, aren't since canonically Aledar suggests you get other soldiers to help with the EO. Meanwhile Raids are canonically done solo, aside from the newest one with Zeph and the rest.

[split night]

a limited foresight I think

[split night]

I feel like Zeph is in a weird place cuz like, I can understand Sui and Tasim being here but like Zeph??

[misty jetty]

Yeah, Two also has that power, since she talks about the shards of probability. I imagine it's similar to foresight in Brandon Sanderson's Cosmere, where the further out you look the more indistinct it gets.

[misty jetty]

Hey, he's... fast

[split night]

I like the idea that we have it too seeing that we can see to the past, what stopping us from seeing a bit of the future?
That's why I always imagine that dying is just one of our foresight ended while the main line timeline is still here and living

we have limited foresight but we can see a diverse range of them ( we can die in multiple unique ways xd )

[misty jetty]

Oh, almost like a Time player in Homestuck

doomed timelines and all that.

[split night]

I'd imagine that ./kill is just us forcing ourselve to have a heart attack or us intentionally ending our foresight power on one timeline

[misty jetty]

With Gene, since he is one my Splintered soul peeps, he just straight dies. It's happened before, it will happen again, it traumitizes everyone around him when it happens.

[split night]

"glad I'm not that guy" ahh Gene

[slim belfry]

we also already had two other interesting characters that have some level of seeing possibilities

[misty jetty]

Yeah, he is pretty blase about his own death, but he does take the protection of the lives of others very seriously, since it's part of his patron (Hemotaph's) philosophy.

[split night]

Orphion too right, he can sense the future and warn the Elfs not to cut treesus but didn't foresaw that they would either way because they misinterpret what he meant

[misty jetty]

Really? I must have missed that, who were they?

[slim belfry]

dullahan had a vision about lari and him getting into their situation and ??? (npc in front of the dern portal) initiating AHC

[drifting aurora]

i do think the full context is important if youre interpreting this line

[misty jetty]

What's interesting is that Ana's dialog ||Make's it seem like he intentially led the Elves to form the portal||

[drifting aurora]

||Anathema: I had foreseen a future... in which I might need... to perform more drastic repairs... on the shell. And the device... I could no longer use it... as I once had.||

[split night]

yeah she see one future

[split night]

Evil Orphion

[misty jetty]

Or as I call him, Orphion

Though... how much influence do the beast's have over their own forces? Since they formed after the war began, or did the war only begin once the energies took concious form?

We saw with Ana that a Beast can have a different personality, or at least portray a personality, somewhat contrary to their original Force... so could we somehow redeem Orphion, or will he always try to conquer everything for the Light?

[split night]

I think in some sense Orphion talk as if he wish to maintain a balance, to keep the Realm of Physic stable. But if given a chance he would warp everything similar to SE
I'm not really sure, the place around the portal look like it has already been warped with some essence of Light is here like the mushrooms and the flowers yet they do not scream in pain

Is light is just that pleasent to be around? xd

[misty jetty]

It does seem to promote growth where ever it's strongest, such as the Lutho monolith... but at the same time too much growth leads to mutation, overgrowth, and other such over verdant hazards. Still if he does try to maintain balance that's great, but we know that S has no real interest in that, and it's likely that if Orphion had managed to tip the scales in his favor, he'd do it in a heartbeat just as S has.
Also, while Orphion is very fluffy and calls us a friend, I still don't forgive him for the infinite trolly problem loop I was stuck in. Which granted is due to my own stubborness, but it has heavily affected the development of Gene as a character in my mind.

[split night]

I FUCKING hate the test Orphion given us

I picked killing the golem maker guy like 15 times before I give up and progress the story

[misty jetty]

Same, because the parasite is very much NOT A TROLLY PROBLEM!

[misty jetty]

Yoo, same!

[split night]

He treated us like we're Lari 😭

That test should have been GIVEN to Lari

[misty jetty]

Bruh he didn't even treat Lari, like Lari, we still have no clue what her choice was! But it apparently didn't teach her anything about utilitarianism.

[split night]

If anything at 0AP it seems like Orphion teaches Lari about Pacifism after seeing that she protest against cutting the tree

[misty jetty]

No you see we needed to annoy her for months before she tried to kill us. Why could Orphion have not have just told her, anything, over the millenia he had to watch this? I dunno?

[split night]

it didn't work out very well

[misty jetty]

Correct

And like it's not difficult for him to communicate, he does it with us all the time, but does he ever just call Lari up? NO! because he's a terrible patron.

[split night]

he is highkey an absent father for the love of the game

[misty jetty]

Truth

"Oh her mind and emotions are conflicted," Maybe they wouldn't be if you were there to raise her! But no you had go out for a pack of cigs for a thousand years.

Gene's relationship with Orphion is not helped by the fact he has both empathetic and romantic feelings toward Lari.

[split night]

He literally went to buy milk

whatever this milk is

xd

[misty jetty]

He needed to expand his real estate

[split night]

I lowkey ship my oc with Lari for yuri

[misty jetty]

Nice, I've just got hetslop, which hopefully with my writting and art can become a hetgem.

[misty jetty]

Also just nice to see another Lari appreciater, since they seem to just despise her on the Reddit.

[split night]

I think most #📚lore_discussion scholars like Lari

[misty jetty]

Seems so

which is very cool

[split night]

I have a lot to say about why Lari is misunderstood really but saying it all again would be redundant

xd

[misty jetty]

yeah, I've spoken at length with my friends who don't play Wynncraft about it, and they agree

[blissful moon]

tasim's character development was bad

it went from good friend to sworn enemy to submissive dog

[misty jetty]

Really? I thought it made some sense particularly given his desire to work within the system to reform it and then his feelings of betrayl over the soldier not telling him.

[split night]

harsh way to put it but I suppose the pacing for him is kinda weird considering that he turn enemy to us in part 2 and then help us in part 3
it's weird

[split night]

I think it's more about the pacing

[misty jetty]

Yeah Wynn does have some problems with that, see Lari immediatly crashing out in ROL2

[split night]

I'm not saying that it is bad, hell Fruma is one the best content in term of writing we have ever been fed in years

[misty jetty]

or the SE questline

[misty jetty]

Truth

[split night]

I think the quest were designed for us to like, do the quest, secret discoveries and cave in [[Content Progress]] order which I find actually work because I felt like the pacing was okay doing it that way

Most people just knda rush to do all of the quest in one sitting so it make the pacing weird

[misty jetty]

hmm, may have to try that some time on a fresh file

[split night]

I find it funny that I am a statistical anomoly because speaking with other people, I feel like I am the only one who play Wynncraft the first time this way

For me the story, pacing and everything make sense, like a lot of sense if you just give the quest a bit of time for it to cook

[misty jetty]

Well for me I didn't really know about the secrets for awhile, and I always have trouble discovering them organically.

Like I think the first one I ever found was the sand pit in Almuj, not counting the towers in the forest which I still don't think I've managed to complete

[split night]

I just do secret discoveries in [[Content Progress]] before doing quest
So i can have a chronologicall order of how to do things
I did use the wiki for a lot of it because there is no way one person can figure out all of it

[misty jetty]

fair

[azure tangle]

cool that Bakal gets this text box

[split night]

*weakling

he is speaking about himself

bro lowkey wouldn't last a second fighting us

[misty jetty]

Yeah imagine nearly being killed by Lari

[split night]

after we killed his mommy

[misty jetty]

cough ignore the previous quest

[azure tangle]

though i would say Lari probably should have one too

[slim belfry]

yeah that's pretty rare

[split night]

I'm just weird as Sui put it

[misty jetty]

Also do we think Lari's still alive? I hope so, but the RoD seems like it's gonna be really hostile, and it's been months at least since RoL, so...

I mean she was foreshadowed in Prelude, so hopefully she's still alive.

[split night]

For me Lari is still alive as she is Doomslayering everything in here trying to survive
she also got a cool ass eyepatch because dark strike one of her eye

[misty jetty]

That'd be awesome

[split night]

There IS a high chance she might met Bob in here too

[azure tangle]

how long has Lari and Bak'al fight used Genesis of the End

[misty jetty]

Also what do we think the RoD, is gonna look like? Because, for me I don't think it's going to look like the SE. Because that's a corruption of the Realm of Physic by the energy of Shade. I personally imagine to be either like a vast cave with very little variation in features, or just like a vast plain of obsidian or shadows. Like I don't think there's much physically going on there since it's susposed to be Darkness itself, so it's kind of just void, but not Void. Y'know?

[misty jetty]

Also, Bob's in the RoL? when is that established?

[azure tangle]

you mean Dern

[misty jetty]

Yeah, Dern

I mean

not Light

[azure tangle]

implied during Fantastic Voyage

[split night]

In the secret discovery near the bridge to troms

[misty jetty]

Ah, right

[split night]

man

if RoD ever come out

I'd be so excited to meet the man himself, like Bob is basically John Wynncraft

[misty jetty]

Yeah, I mean he mastered all the weapons, bro is literally him.

[azure tangle]

i do like that they didnt retcon him to be a shaman

[split night]

You have to know this, 1 weapon cost us 120 Lv to get to ultimate
imagine 4 weapon with 25 years of training

[split night]

yeah Shaman seem to be an icky kind of fighting style for him

[misty jetty]

True, but our Lv 120 came after like one year of training, so... It may be he's even more powerful.

[split night]

250 Ability Point

[misty jetty]

Or actually how long is the Wynncraft questline, is it like a year or more or less than that?

[split night]

it should be at least a year yeah

[azure tangle]

idk, but they are back stage, the kitchen, the barracks, under the stairs, outside the training rooms, and in the room with officers clothing

[misty jetty]

What?

[azure tangle]

the guy deleted his question before i answered

[misty jetty]

ah

[split night]

ain't no way we stopped 5 apocalypstic threat, prevent a war, prevent the Decay, prevent another war and it hasn't been a year

[azure tangle]

asked for the notes in strong survive

[misty jetty]

Fair, also how old do we think the average Fruman recruit is? Because both Tasim, Aledar, and the rest look to be in their mid to late twenties at the least. My soldier Gene is 28 when it starts and 29 by the time of Fruma.

[split night]

I think mine is probably between 20-30

[misty jetty]

fair

[misty jetty]

Also I meant to ask earlier is Ari from Fruma, and if so does she have her memories or are you playing by the canon events of Recover the Past?

[split night]

I think or at least I hope Soosu's immortality recontextualize Lari's immortality in people's mind really

[misty jetty]

huh?

Is that about how Lari didn't seem to mature much in the thousand years she was trying to defeat the decay?

[split night]

she was a Sovereign with the god of RoP forced into her with endless emptiness to hide what she really is

[misty jetty]

Ah

[split night]

yes 😭
She was young when she got blessed by the light, her age paused and so that's why she act like a young adult and stuff

I have been advocate about this a LOT

Soosu show that she is at least ||older|| than Zhiroak too

yet she act like a child, which i really like it about her with her creativity and Flowers

[misty jetty]

That's actually really plausible, particularly given her diary entries

[split night]

Everyone in Elf's town seem to behave the same way too, they all are at least 1000 years old but they act like 30s adult

so we can rule out Lari being an outliner

[misty jetty]

Gene was just a guard for House Thalass on his way to become either an actual soldier (since I imagine Majin may lend his own troops to the military) or a spy for house Thalass, explaining his decent detective skills. However given his splintered nature and his learning magic as a byproduct of his bond with Hemotaph.

[split night]

For me Ari just kinda foresee 15 minute thing but like still want to play detective because she like doing it xd

[misty jetty]

me when I can see the future but still like mysteries

Though on the topic of Lari, I mean I'm not sure if she doesn't mature or if she's just very stuck in her ways, which seems to be a problem with most imortals in the series. Particularly individuals like the Queen, like the Elves still had their superiority complex over those who lived outside Aldori. In fact Lari seemed to be more open to new ideas than the Aldori elves, as seen with her trying to find any other solution to the decay.

[split night]

It's just
VERY hard to change your morality
would you kill just because it is better for everybody regardless of how mindless that living thing is?

[misty jetty]

Exactly

[split night]

that's basically her morality, she is Frisk in the wrong place, wrong time

[misty jetty]

YES!

Truth

[split night]

we can spare Flowey at the end of neutral route for a better outcome, so why not forgive Lari? She tried her best to maintain the Decay and prevent it to spread to the rest of Gavel so

[misty jetty]

Like the Cult, because let's be honest it's a cult, of Light seemed to value Life above all else, which Orphion doesn't actually agree with, but he's not going to actaully speak up for... reasons.

[misty jetty]

Exactly, I was on Lari's side day one

[split night]

He agree with it but to a certain degree
his power seem to make things statis, and alive ( immortal ) so i'd say he want things to live, to keep going

but like as long as it doesn't pose a danger to him he will allow them to live

[misty jetty]

Oh my gosh it's just era one Scadrial all over again

[slim belfry]

I see the light in a different way

there's a big reason why I don't like the light

[signal bough]

FURRY PRESERVATION???

[misty jetty]

Because it by its nature is still a corrupting force, similar to the Radiance from Hollowknight?

[misty jetty]

Yep

[misty jetty]

Also greetings fellow Cosmernaut

[slim belfry]

well not just that but also how they treat everything

[misty jetty]

Like a tool to be used?

[split night]

It's weird to say but for me Light and Dark is just, nature
Light is life, ongoing and statis while Dark offer death, a stop and an end
both of these thing are very essential to life, and what it means to live

[signal bough]

ngl the Highlands gave me really big Mistborn: The Final Empire vibes

[split night]

I'd say they are just gray morally for me

I don't hate S for offering an end, i just dislike that she warp everything around her like puppets

xd

[slim belfry]

the light doesn't exactly value life but more kinda values detachment over truth

[split night]

Yeah you can interpret that from Lutho too

Light is drug basically

[misty jetty]

Yeah, the Blossoms of Blades were literally Elend's philosophy group.

[split night]

the closer we discuss about this more Orphion look like an absent mob mafia father who sell drug

[slim belfry]

the literal canned abis and forest while high

[split night]

i wanna smoke em

[slim belfry]

you do NOT wanna smoke that stuff

[signal bough]

the toad does mostly appear when the player is high

[misty jetty]

Yeah after the blue mushrooms I'd rather not

[signal bough]

but the toad is also leading the player out of it

[slim belfry]

eih is very funny

[split night]

oh yeah the other way Light communicate with us is through being in a druglike state and meeting that frog

xd

[misty jetty]

Eih is the one good thing to come out of the Light

[signal bough]

so the Light can lead a chosen few to truth

[slim belfry]

that one dialogue in the frog bog SD

[misty jetty]

besides Lari, though she's tangential to it

[misty jetty]

Yeah, that was great

[signal bough]

unfortunately there was no 'but I saw him again while sober'

[slim belfry]

that was a good option because people probably thought they were connected lol

[misty jetty]

When I say Lari is tangential I mean she's not actually a creature born from Light, she's a scion

[split night]

Man, if they ever rework RoL they BETTER make it good
like workshop a theory of mine, the Decay is jamming Orphion phone that's why he can't communicate as well

[signal bough]

prob, he seems to have it rough

[misty jetty]

Yeah, that would make sense, except that he should have been able to tell Lari to kill the parasite on the Equinox, because it wasn't draining his power then.

[split night]

Partition to make an AU where Lari actually learn what Light really is and follow Orphion's morality ( or lack there of )

This Lari would be VERY different, or dare i say Indifferent to life and killing

[brave rune]

ao3 awaits

[split night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1121844531155976222/1399761329375543306/aouwee.gif

[misty jetty]

True but I'm not sure the questline would happen if that was the case

[pallid glen]

huh

[signal bough]

I thought there was a line where Orphion said 'I tried to tell her but she never listened'

[split night]

i'd say there wouldn't be one tbh

[misty jetty]

fair

[brave rune]

Best guess from me is that it’s a prayer based on the structure

[misty jetty]

I don't think there is, he just goes on about how her mind and heart are conflicted, he never states that he actually communicated with her, and Lari herself states that Orphion has never once told her what to do.

I feel like the biggest problem is just the time scale of the Decay, like if it was just a few centuries, or even a few decades it would make more sense as to why Lari hasn't tried anything new, but that's an old argument I think.

[split night]

Yeah Lari state that Orphion didn't even talk to her the whole time she was in Gavel multiple time

[misty jetty]

Again absentee father

common Orphion L

[split night]

where is that gif where Orphion just wake up to the player and beg us to save him while sleeping on everyone else

[misty jetty]

idk

but I can imagine it

[signal bough]

it has only been two centuries it seems

[misty jetty]

Also when I say she hasn't tried anything new I mean she hasn't tried just killing the parasite in a millenia, but even that's an incorrect argument as she literally did, and then her best friend was killed in the attempt.

[misty jetty]

magnificent

[gleaming apex]

No

[split night]

I wish this was recontextualize to
She tried but it also result in failure and the death of her friend so she was afraid to try it again

[hasty spoke]

"Hey, god, we wanna help you!" "..." "KILL." "You're HIRED!"

[misty jetty]

Exactly, I mean I interpret it that way now, but that's after like years since I originally played through that quest.

[signal bough]

the area you can see Dullahan get bit by the Parasite in is very nice and looks pretty much like the Light Forest

[hasty spoke]

To be fair if there was like a chest-burster alien-like scenario, the last thing I want is someone who will try to reason with it

[misty jetty]

Sure, but the parasite has been around for at least a thousand years, even if the symptoms only began "recently" to show themselves.

[gleaming apex]

The parasite appeared around 0ap

[signal bough]

the parasite has been but it wasn't really a problem for 800 of those

[split night]

Lari wouldn't even hurt a butterfly, like literally
She just kinda think that the parasite is alive, can feel pain and all sort of thing

[misty jetty]

I mean she doesn't really reason with it, she tries to capture it and banish it. She does try to deal with it in an aggressive, but non-lethal manner as soon as it presents itself as a threat.

[signal bough]

the Decay must've gotten bad quickly to lead to the villager exodus

[hasty spoke]

"BUT IT HURTS. GET RID OF IT NOW."

[split night]

Yeah, the trapping method worked out in the end ay? it's sad that it only worked for Dullahan

[gleaming apex]

I mean the decay was around since 200ap at the latest

[hasty spoke]

But like any help is better than no help

[misty jetty]

To be fair that's a fault on the Light's end if its power isn't able to capture a creature of Shade, y'know something it should be effective against?

[split night]

I always wonder the same thing

[hasty spoke]

wait yeah it implies Orphion hasn't purged his darkness

[split night]

If Lari can kill that parasite 10x over with her blessing, then it would make sense a cage would be very effective at holding a bug

[signal bough]

When does Taproot take place?

[split night]

It's just weird thinking about it more

[split night]

the Lari blessing? Sometime in 0AP

[signal bough]

damn

Talor is 1000 years old

[neat oriole]

if orphion just said
https://tenor.com/nSK6R63B240.gif
all would be fine

[split night]

or in his 30s for 1000 years

[hasty spoke]

yeah

Oh you mean in game not the quest

[signal bough]

well it's an organization

[split night]

okay shame on me

i misinterpet that

[misty jetty]

Also can we talk about the fact that Lari, the chosen of Orphion, who faithfully served without direction for a thousand years, was denied entrance into his inner sactum (The Taproots.) Meanwhile some bumbling soldier, who can't even calm down a chicken is let in no questions asked. Like I said earlier that Lari's crash out was too soon in RoL2, but like I would be seething too at that moment.

Okay, well some questions asked, we do have to answer a trolly problem first

[hasty spoke]

This was the era of mindless killer, in the lore

Orphion has no fear of the player misusing the power and information given

[split night]

Absent father favor random ass stranger than his own daughter lore

[signal bough]

well, the player made contact with Eih, could it be that the toad angel referred the player to Orphion?

[hasty spoke]

because the player (at the time) was intended to be an ameseac slave-soldier who did what was told

[misty jetty]

Isn't that quest after RoL2, I thought it was, at least I'm pretty sure I did afterwards

[misty jetty]

true, but then we suddenly gain conciousness during the Hungy guys (I can't remember their name) questline.

Or was it the orcs when we got decisions for the first time?

[signal bough]

then idk 😭

[split night]

It really just come out of nowhere

this is all just a consequence of crunching the number really

RoL was unfortunate to be part of an update so big that they didn't have time to polish everything

[hasty spoke]

It's all endless arguements until the old stuff (everything) is updated

[split night]

Yes

It's pretty clear currently that Orphion is just bad

xd

[misty jetty]

yeah Shattered minds is like 12-13 quests after Taproots

[signal bough]

okay what's uh

prior

[hasty spoke]

What if we could finish the job, take it like SSBU style and end light and dark in one fight

[misty jetty]

WynnExcavation D

is the quest directly proceeding Shattered Minds according to the .gg wiki

[hasty spoke]

What were those crystals? evil dark SE crytstals?

[misty jetty]

Lost in the Jungle is the quest preceeding taproots

[misty jetty]

which crystals?

[mint gull]

What is the mournful melody mentioned in apotheosis?

[signal bough]

prior to Taproots:
player takes an orc held fortress
iron heart part 2
Worm Holes

[hasty spoke]

Wynnexcavation ones

[signal bough]

no, they predated the dern portal iirc

[misty jetty]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're connected to the elements in someway, so probably something to do with either the Olm or the Weave

but that's just based on Amadel's rainbow defense

[hasty spoke]

The weave...?

[mint gull]

Wynncraft string theory

[hasty spoke]

Oh god I how deep is this lore

[misty jetty]

It's basically just what the energy which is used to make magic is called, it's made of the elements and gives form to the Realm of Physicality.

[mint gull]

Earth,fire,Air,thunder,Water,light,dark,corruption and a transparent one that we dont know

[hasty spoke]

Glass

[mint gull]

In the fruma update se might as well be made of it

[hasty spoke]

So it's lard.

[split night]

I really do love that my theory has sorta become true
I always theorize "Magic" is just this world Energy where Mana seem to be a unit of measurement

Element being different tune of said Energy

[mint gull]

My hg sui measuring her mana in oceans

[misty jetty]

I mean that's how most magic systems work when you get down to them at a subatomic level, it's all just e=mc^2 at the end of the day.

using energy to create matter/work/other forms of energy

[mint gull]

Also, what do we think is the "Bottomless well" that we draw Power from?

[split night]

Yeah, most sentience and sapien being seem to be able to manipulate it as will

[hasty spoke]

mana

[split night]

the surrounding i guess
Energy is everywhere, exist even in us so

[hasty spoke]

I measure my magic in death

[split night]

our mana regen is so insane that we might as well already tap into the ocean for it

like

who even cast 15 spell per second

[misty jetty]

Mine's not, I struggle to output more than one spell per three seconds

at least with my current build

[mint gull]

I guess? But Its spoken of in a way that makes It seem like its part of the past we forgotten

The emptiness as Two calls it

[signal bough]

it was funny how Two was like 'damn you're fucked up man'

[misty jetty]

Yeah, personally I think based off of some of Ana's end raid dialog, 1.6.2 specifically ||we may be a reincarnated beast, hidden from the others.||

[misty jetty]

true

[mint gull]

Is the dialogue in the Wiki? I might check It out

[misty jetty]

uh it's in a doc, I'll send the link again

[split night]

It's in a google doc yea, read it, it show you basically LOTs of lore important text

[misty jetty]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FeIyKgKSvTZc9R2xyJXjibaLKravjEqveKG5sB87iG8/edit?tab=t.f2zfxk927e0z

[mint gull]

But my current theory is that maybe we are the avatar of the world itself? And thats why It mentioned a lot of pain and sorrow

[split night]

Two didn't even want to fight us
she just, not wanting to die as she put it

[misty jetty]

yeah that's what @split night was saying earlier

about the avatar of the world thing I mean

or at least something similar

[signal bough]

she must see something in the player, wouldn't contact us during Queen's Recruit if not

[split night]

hrre

[misty jetty]

Yeah, I think in Ensamble she specifically says that without us a bunch of the shards of posibility fade away... What if we're something to do with posibility? Like something which had once governed the outcome of important events?

or at least helped influence them, rather than directly controling them

[split night]

are we just that asshole kind of luck xd
astronomical luck or foresight

[misty jetty]

I mean it would explain the deep emptiness inside us, with nothing but potential

[misty jetty]

Vriska Serket

We have all the luck, all of it

Welp... good night guys, talk to you about lore again at some point.

[lilac vale]

are we the embodiment of entropy?

[mint gull]

I really believe in the theory of the Beast of Phisicality especially because of the choice of words. When Two is talking about the creating she says that from nothing there was something, when talking about the world. And Ana specifically says that there's Something in the Nothing

[mint gull]

I think entropy fits with war?

[lilac vale]

i mean— we were the catalyst to much of what happened in the entire questline

[mint gull]

Kinda yea

[lilac vale]

had we not been there, it's probably safe to argue that things would not have gone the way they have

[mint gull]

But i believe that is more about us being powerful and special enough to be able to play in the big leagues

[lilac vale]

it's that, or fate, or entropy

or a combination thereof

[mint gull]

Yeah

[lilac vale]

since we are pretty powerful in lore, and the queen did say verbatim that we were unpredictable

wait

or was that sovereign two

whoever

[mint gull]

In the chronology I gathered that Two came after Bak'Al, does that mean that she is probably a human since the olm had already got killed?

[mint gull]

I think It was boty

Both

[lilac vale]

perhaps she is a human, though i admit i severely lack knowledge in anything pre fruma

-# with the exception of the three realms

[mint gull]

The timeline is very messy ngl

[hybrid gazelle]

Another possible contender is olm

[mint gull]

That flashback does scream of olm

[hybrid gazelle]

But appearantly recent discovery has imply there are other like two

[lilac vale]

i am however curious about what two knows, and how two knows

[mint gull]

With the stones and structure

[hybrid gazelle]

||tefris look very similar to Two but green||

[lilac vale]

wait, do you have a screenshot/link for reference?

[lilac vale]

ooo, interesting

also, that is fruman script, right?

[signal bough]

this is pretty unique construction, and other than matching general Wynnic/Gavelian construction techniques I can't really place it

[mint gull]

Who?

[hybrid gazelle]

||Tefris||

[mint gull]

No like, who is that? Where do they appear?

[hybrid gazelle]

||they appear when you interact the shrine in roughwork with architecture mythic||

||we don’t know much about them beside they against the council and they wish to rule fruma||

[mint gull]

Damn

Was really interesting to see that both orphion and sephanis are like parasites that will try to corrupt the world

Can't wait for NoL 2 electric boogaloo

[smoky bridge]

Since we know wynnworld is a planet

If we climb over the mountains in southern Wynn do we end up in gavel

[formal bridge]

I always assumed it was more water out there, at least until we get confirmation other places exist. Like the whole world is a pangea with a massive lake in the middle if that makes sense

[smoky bridge]

Can you actually see any actual difference in regional architecture style in game (not theme but actual style)

All I see are different styles based on when they were built

[signal bough]

okay the one thing is beds upstairs

[smoky bridge]

The classical slab+fence/wall spam to reworked Ragni and troms style (my fav)

[signal bough]

didnt actually check if Fruma has upstairs beds

[smoky bridge]

The stupid silent expansion + gavel reborn gigantic pillar and pseudo Greco Roman style spam

Then fruma

[smoky bridge]

Rodoroc gate + eldritch outlook + cinfras are all victims of this

[mint gull]

I think silent is more of gothic?

[smoky bridge]

It’s so obvious you can guess when builds were built

[smoky bridge]

Only for parts of olmic city

[mint gull]

True

[smoky bridge]

Eldritch outlook itself is gigantic pillar + dome spam

[mint gull]

Can't believe the olm built a gigantic ass mansion

[signal bough]

my theory is that the canyon settlers are almuji

[spiral knoll]

lol and the talking mushroom also brings up just how similar the EO and guild hall look

[spiral knoll]

Isn’t there an Sd for that or am I misremembering?

[signal bough]

I dont think so?

[spiral knoll]

Oh yeah no it was talking abt specifically the origin of the bandits

But yeah I think its p likely that they’re mostly descendants of desert settlers considering how high the mountains btwn SE and canyon are

[smoky bridge]

I hate it so much

Glad to see it somewhat came to a stop in fruma

I miss the old Cinfras arch somewhat

It looked so DIY and funny cuz so much wood

[signal bough]

sniffing around in general, there was an enemy spot next to the fruman gate that's now gone... but the enemies still spawn, looking very confused as they wander about in the cave

[smoky bridge]

But gave it character

Old cinfras looked super fire hazardous

Wooden walls for gavel’s capital is crazy

But it had character

[spiral knoll]

Lol I get that

[smoky bridge]

Current cinfras’s walls look a bit shitty tbh

[spiral knoll]

I like the new builds personally but it’s all subjective

[smoky bridge]

It looks so less defendable than deltas’ mega ultra tall and thick walls

I think my fav city in Wynn is still Ragni probably

[spiral knoll]

Yeah which ig makes sense considering detlas’ proximity to the roots and how much the corruption has gotten out of hand meanwhile cinfras is sorta treating the decay like it’ll never really get to them. Or at least that’s my hc

[smoky bridge]

And olux for gavel 💀

[spiral knoll]

Fire

[spiral knoll]

BASED

Olux sweep

[smoky bridge]

Olux just looks like

It makes sense

It fits what olux is supposed to be the most

[winged narwhal]

i mean the climates there don't seem very polar

[smoky bridge]

A poor and sad settlement but not straight up dystopian like Lexdale

[spiral knoll]

Exactly

Also it’s fun to run around like it feels like a genuine town

[smoky bridge]

I try not to take irl earth science into consideration while looking at wynncraft’s map

Hyloch is literally like 500 feet from snow and glaciers

Yet its residents dress like india

[signal bough]

we never got an answer for this place

[smoky bridge]

As long there’s some transition I’m happy (like the Savannah between the desert and temperate plains)

[smoky bridge]

Coolest single building in the entire server

It looks Victorian

[signal bough]

given the name I think it would be the fruman fountain of youth

and where the sovereigns are embedded with that part of their power

but there's no ritual spot

[smoky bridge]

I was expecting like actual hot springs and sauna and stuff

But it’s just gardens

[signal bough]

wonder what that is

[primal anchor]

actual nothingburger with hypesauce

[signal bough]

my only thought is that it's the most likely place for the fruma ultimate SD to be

[primal anchor]

huh i have every sd i should try to find that

[signal bough]

its not in

cause you dont

because there's one last region of fruma left

[signal bough]

seen: here

[smoky bridge]

who made the worn tablet on isles of fiction

[olive trellis]

cant we not add powder to items anymoore?

or is there something im missing?

[hybrid gazelle]

You do it in inventory

Just drag the powder over the gears

[olive trellis]

ohhhh

tyty

[dim sky]

It is!! (Will spoiler just in case - penultimate quest)

||In the prison in the penultimate quest where you’re with soosu, there’s an interactible that has instructions on dealing with prisoners. One says to give them water from the Wellspring to keep them alive iirc!||

||I think that’s also why the child is over a century old and why every other sovereign seems to not age lol||

if this is not what you’re talking about my bad lmao but I assumed wellspring

[signal bough]

yes I am

[dim sky]

ok cool

[summer bluff]

that's gay, majin

[mystic fulcrum]

Where do you find this dialogue?

[summer bluff]

majin's library

in his house

[neat oriole]

someone i can fully explore the depths of the endles cosmos with 🤔

either gonna be us or zhiraok

[summer bluff]

devastating

[summer bluff]

"why, to even think that i would consider either that silly floundering fool or you barely trifling Cursed! i should strike you down right now! alas.. i am benevolent."

[hybrid gazelle]

Is this what happen if you don’t do side quest lol

[summer bluff]

ive been doing other stuff ;-;

also i did undersupply

[untold warren]

Wait are all the names latin?

Like based off Latin

[spring kernel]

what names

[dim plover]

Foxxo just told me that Tasim's alt route might be coming out with the Wastelands update

Can someone confirm this

Because I've been holding out on entering Fruma until the alt route is added

I just realized that this is the wrong channel

There's too many lines I'll just copypaste it

[clear rain]

what does my pets "combat proficiency" do? does it make my combat level higher? cuz i feel a bit overpowered from where i am, and i would rather play the game in the right difficulty

[glossy shoal]

what is this on LI?

first time it appears

[feral lynx]

dead yahya bot

any thoughts on ||Anathema Pet||

[glossy shoal]

relly cute

[gloomy idol]

This challenge used to be a boss called yahyabot but they removed it due to it being uninteractive so its there as easter egg where rat killed it

[glossy shoal]

woow

[smoky bridge]

If you think about it riftwalker is basically Greg

Tearing reality apart and making Wynn even more vulnerable to dern

[untold warren]

Whats up lore chat

[dreamy wren]

so is the other path where we tell tasim everything during queen's recruit scrapped?

[hybrid gazelle]

Will be implement later

We don’t know when

[acoustic kindle]

can we replay the quests then?

or do we need a new class for the alt route?

hopefully not

[hybrid gazelle]

No

They have not implement quest replay on live

[vast sinew]

Gentlemen, I lost my Espren passport and even though I completed my mission, the guards won't let me into Espren.

[acoustic kindle]

uh guyss Rex ||ISNT DEAD IS SHE??||

[neat oriole]

||you'll find out soon||

[tacit mural]

I’m only about halfway through the fruma quests but good lord this is some of the best jrpg-esque writing Ive ever played (although I havent played too many). The vibe is just completely different from the other mainline story quests; actually night and day.

[hybrid gazelle]

So true

[split night]

what 7 years do to an update

[vast sinew]

Guys, I did a Fixquest, checked my bank, and I can't find my Esprene passport. How do I get into Esprene? Please help.

[pallid glen]

god dammit

morph set strikes again

[stray karma]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/981016845563858954/1318176166779289640/morphion2.gif

[uneven basin]

You should probably go to #❓questions or #🌎wynncraft for that. You should normally be able to enter espren by finishing the quest

[pallid glen]

is "the shade" another word for gikyo

[steep forum]

So who is this NPC and why do they use ||Sui||'s portraits???

[pallid glen]

oh wait nvm

they were referring to

saphanis

"struck blind" as in you killed the eye

[gleaming apex]

I think that's a new mysterious character they're setting up for later? Maybe a rogue changeling or something

[dim plover]

I can’t wait for the day where we finally fight Orphan and Syphilis

[zealous quiver]

i believe it's a name she came up for herself when she and the player was meeting with the areas rebellion

actually reading the dialogue helps to understand what's happening

[gleaming apex]

I think it's a joke

[frozen turtle]

its a changeling obviously

[zealous quiver]

|| in the quest overture to dispair ||

[primal anchor]

morphion

[split night]

hey guys im writting Hunted Mob Journals and i realized how painful this will be trying to write it down for all the mob in game

[stray karma]

interesting endeavour

[split night]

I always wanted a Hunted Mob Journal in wynn, so I make one, and then i will turn it into a Word Doc and send it to ct as suggestion

I'll post like, a page of it once I finished writing about an area or smth then you guys give feed back