📚lore_discussion

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah just

ignore the guy

anyway

I start playing through Fruma on live

I probably goign to be more cirtical but from what I play in Fruma

I dont think I would have that much problem

[ruby plover]

i think servers are finally somewhat playable now

which is good

[elfin comet]

IT MAKES NO HISTORICAL SENSE BROTHER

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

that why I starting it

I wish I could start with Tasim alt route

but like that fine

[slim belfry]

I'm still gonna wait for that

I have patience

[hybrid gazelle]

I think it better if I play the quest the way it intented

so I can give off better criticism

the reaosn I dontd oo that better

is

1. Lexnt already plan to do dialogue check up
2. There already a lot of work so I dont want to pressure
3. I just want to experience the quest with whimsy in mind

[ruby plover]

i also just wanna let yall know that regardless of the dialogue route you take. the gameplay aspects and story beats remain the same.
But I get it if you want to experience it your way

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah I expected that

[slim belfry]

yeah I understood that

[elfin comet]

whats the point of the dialogue routes then

[hybrid gazelle]

I just wanna shake my experience differently a bit from the beta LOL\

[elfin comet]

if its the same result

[ruby plover]

But if ur just interested in reading the dialogue im sure someone will collect it

[hybrid gazelle]

ooo

[elfin comet]

We need shit like minecraft story mode episode two

[hybrid gazelle]

okay that owuld be nice

[elfin comet]

one dialogue option splits you between 2 entirely different things

[slim belfry]

I feel like that's gonna be very difficult to deal with

[hybrid gazelle]

Gardlunik

just ignore them

anyway

[slim belfry]

okay okay

[elfin comet]

its not bad criticism

[ruby plover]

dialogue routes are a thing - just not major story beats. That adds double the work load, its just not feasible if we want a more expansive storyline

[elfin comet]

you might as well just have no dialogue options so people can get through it faster

if its the same end result

[ruby plover]

for a one off quest having multiple routes/endings etc. its defintiely doable. for a questline that crosses an entire region, not so much

[elfin comet]

if nothing changes whats the fucking point

[ruby plover]

the... dialogue ?

[elfin comet]

big whoop

0 actual change

[hybrid gazelle]

like not that far deep into queen's recruit yet

also this is barely critcism because i Know

in the future these characters will have more quest

[elfin comet]

The times in quests where you make a decision for a different end reward

[hybrid gazelle]

but IDk about characterl ike Jenprest

[elfin comet]

you did that right

keep at it

[slim belfry]

we met jenprest once before QR lol

same with kymer and mel

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah and that just her and us cleaning sewer LOL

Mel and Kymer 100% planned to ahve more quest

that i know so i have 0 questions about them

but like Jenprest

[slim belfry]

maybe she could show up in more too

[ruby plover]

some will probably remain somewhat... irrelevant

but we'll definitely expand on most of em

[hybrid gazelle]

Honsetly the thing is taht I would 100% believe some random character make their first apperance as like soldiers taht we never heard of

but seeing Jenprest just odd me because like
okay so like I KNOW She does more ofc

but like you know

[elfin comet]

get it together over in the content lore team and make logical history and then fix your useless dialogue options

[hybrid gazelle]

Wynn's greatest?

[elfin comet]

good day

[ruby plover]

i think jenprest could serve as a nice sort of early "military mentor" kinda thing

[hybrid gazelle]

OMG

I HAVE THE SAME IDEA TOO

I remember like I mention a while in either this server or other server

that in early game, Jenprest would make frequent apperant as the player's caretaker

let me uhh find it first

[hybrid gazelle]

I think editing some quest in early game to fit Jenprest it would be nice

Posion the pest have potential

MAYBE Chef's assitance but that a strentch
even then like current chef's assitance is nothing because now that proffing aspect been removed

[slim belfry]

poison the pest mention lol

[ruby plover]

id like to kinda make the military a bit more "established" and logical.
I put in a joke in QR that Jenprest points out that we're a recruit but we're unsure cause we have no idea how the system actually functions

[hybrid gazelle]

yaehhhhhh

[ruby plover]

and i think Jenprest could help that

[hybrid gazelle]

also found another one

[ruby plover]

this is also partially cause there was nothing established for military stuff lol!! not until Fruma at least

[hybrid gazelle]

yeahhh

Wynn millitary system is very weird

because it almost feel like they are one army

but also not?

there are different admiral

[nocturne nimbus]

I love how there are Admirals in the army

[slim belfry]

YEAH

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH admiral aegis and admiral amerigo roll off the tongue more

compare to general Aegis and general Amerigo

[ruby plover]

most early wynn army stuff was just "whats a military sounding title? lets go with the first thing that sounds good"

[elfin comet]

this is such flawed logic how much actually changes, maybe a few lines of dialogue per option

does it change anything other than that individual interaction even in the same quest

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH maybe if we see Ragni's general

[slim belfry]

oh yeah is this a similar situation with ragni and troms kings and mayors

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH I chalk that up to

since these colonies establish at different time

AKA Ragni and Troms are the oldest

while Almuj is more progressive

[slim belfry]

OH right

[hybrid gazelle]

due to it being earlier

OKAY so

this is my take on Wynn politc

[brave rune]

almuj was not mentioned as being a fruman colony also

[slim belfry]

I keep forgetting that the other towns were established more recently

[hybrid gazelle]

due HOW MUCH

due to how much war there is in Wynn

like war still ongoing thing in Wynn

it likely that millitary eladers are the one who do the actual decision for colony

[brave rune]

||ragni and troms were both established as fruman forts|| tbh idk if this is spoilers but its not in quest

[hybrid gazelle]

while kings and mayors are figure head

who maange the people

This is how I see it

[brave rune]

martial monarchy

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

cause like the thing is that

they have no choice

lkiterally like everything about this province driven by war and decided by war

you need someone who know about these things in order to lead to the colony

cause if we have king deciding everything

then they are fucked

[slim belfry]

hehehehe

[hybrid gazelle]

but yeah returning to the topic about Jenprest

I think I agree with Imaxe that Jenprest woudl be character that allow us insight on that

what I would love to seee in protocol that fruman recruits would go on

cause here the thing

if you have groupof people

who literally come from this fuck off mysterious kingdom

that been close gate to you for 100 years and only sending people out now

and these people just have 0 fucking clues on what their home is like?

you would not send them toi battle right away

like that

[round wraith]

lolol

true

[hybrid gazelle]

that fukcing red flag for diffeernt kind of mental issue

so what the game giving us rn

is like

absolutely non sense

and pretty much give the idea

that they are being careless with recruits

which should not be the case

[tawdry mural]

province of wynn orientation class, required before you go out of ragnis boundaries

[round wraith]

also all these guys are WANTED CRIMINALS

[hybrid gazelle]

I think there 100% definitely need to do health check up, basic trainning, and more

[round wraith]

the deranged

given a weapon

and told "go do whatever:

[hybrid gazelle]

they are crminals for different reasons

some of these are not because they do anything wrong

so literally like

surely there gotta be some recruits they have to train up to fight

and not just send them out

mY take on this is that

Ragni is the one who responsible for these recruits in their early years

they house them and train them

once they seems capable, they would later be either kept in Ragni or send out to different army for replenishment

[round wraith]

the first 50 levels of wynn should take place as a ragni recruit where all quests start and end there.

[hybrid gazelle]

which later should be happen with Tasim, Aledar, and the player

I THINK

okay wait

I have a fix for this

https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/fixing-wynncraft’s-recruits-issues.322569/

this is not really 100% fix

but It should bel ike enough

[elfin comet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1479701196141887672/1490909567931121764/attachment.gif

DOWN WITH SALTED

[round wraith]

lolol

[worthy hornet]

who was complaining about fruma being hard??

how is this hard

[hybrid gazelle]

this is lore channel

[elfin comet]

the lootrun scaling in fruma makes me want to rip my eyeballs out

[hybrid gazelle]

you can discuss about wynn balancing in other channel

[worthy hornet]

oh

meant to click on channel

questions

[serene gate]

Okay, was able to finish apothesis but wasnt able to do wartorn palace, is there any additional lore you get at the end of it about the resolution of the story? Like are there NPCs in the completion room or do any of the NPCs in the citadel gain dialogue?

[azure tangle]

You could say that there’s a little bit of dialogue

[serene gate]

You can spoil me

[azure tangle]

I actually can’t there’s so much dialogue

you just have to do the raid

there’s really no way to explain it haha

[serene gate]

I had to log off, I have work tomorrow

I already stayed up way too late attempting it twice

[azure tangle]

There’s just so many branches to explain

it’s like a quests worth of dialogue

[formal bridge]

There's a document that collected all of the different branches of dialogue, it's a biggun

[serene gate]

Link?

[formal bridge]

Sent you it

[azure tangle]

It’s legit longer than apotheosis lol

[serene gate]

Thanks

Ngl I wasnt sure if my leg was being pulled lol

[azure tangle]

lol

[serene gate]

So... ||Saphanis huh||

[azure tangle]

yep

[serene gate]

||Fun to have a name. Guess we'll see them in dern||

[formal bridge]

||saphanis bossfight in 2036||

[serene gate]

Wynncraft 100 years

[azure tangle]

||sapphire the name of the dern beast||

[slender copper]

Man it is... really a gamble when revealing any of these spoiler'd texts lol. Rather you know it or not depending on how far you've gone through Fruma.

[fossil depot]

||samalama dindong||

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah these spoilers are like

past raid

so dont

[slim belfry]

yeaaaaah c0rr got spoiled on queen

[fossil depot]

||samalama dingdong the beast of darkness, dern, the great shade||

[slim belfry]

true

I hope after the raid ||we can call them all kinds of names||

[burnt robin]

isnt it ||saphanis||

[round wraith]

True Colors spoiler ||liar||

[azure tangle]

||nah its salami||

[fossil depot]

||its salamanga dingdong||

[restive yacht]

|| hahahahaha it surely aged well ||

[exotic yew]

Aged pretty well ngl

:)

[exotic yew]

Tbf what more do you want from people atp, if they already put a spoilers over the text you read it anyway. I'd say that's on YOU

[restive yacht]

honestly, it's implied that now that all beta content is now canon, it is part of the lore

what do u want us to talk about in lore question then? we wanna talk about how Farcor gives us a book that is bought from llevigar's library?

ik there's #1490018575162020042 , but that's meant to not tarnish everything, we didn't tell you what happens on ||Apotheosis|| step by step

[signal bough]

oh yeah, wasn't there supposed to be a villager in Fruma?

Sohso

[restive yacht]

good point

i swear if u make a feedback post about this i'm gonna promote it

[signal bough]

well I've gotta grind to get to 112 and then I can continue my personal hunt

[signal bough]

how do we know that he's not squirreled away in some corner? ??? was a really difficult quest

[round wraith]

there is reference to them

only once afaik, in True Colors

based on the reference, i think ||we will maybe hear more about them when wastelands releases||

[signal bough]

must... not... click... spoiler...

speaking of reference

the player brings up Eih

[round wraith]

its not that big a spoiler

[signal bough]

which, if there's any one-off character I would like to see again, it's probably Professor Eih

[round wraith]

have u done a croaking cryptid secret discovery

[signal bough]

the amphibian angel of dog god def has some further potential

[signal bough]

yes, 'the player brings up Eih'

[round wraith]

yea exactly

i like that

especially when he's like "bruh were u high"

"yeah"

"oh"

[signal bough]

except

I saw him later

and I was sober!!!

[worthy hornet]

oh my god

[round wraith]

true!!

[worthy hornet]

the missing piece is the best quest

ever

[signal bough]

I wish I shared that opinion...

I got so many bugs...

[worthy hornet]

brought a tear to my eye man genuinely

why cant we tell elise that syndra lives????

😭

[signal bough]

is Syndra even a regular npc

[hybrid gazelle]

dude

[signal bough]

like

[hybrid gazelle]

dude,,,,

[signal bough]

at least by 111 I don't think I can go and chat with the leaves

so I dont think we can tell Syndra that Elise is dead

[hybrid gazelle]

||not that it matter cause both of them are dead||

[cloud phoenix]

truth

[warm python]

SO TRUE, I just finished it everyone needs to go do that quest NOW

[round wraith]

it makes zero sense for them to swap echoes of change and missing piece

[restive yacht]

💀

ok that deserved the big fruma spoiler

[somber venture]

bro arnol is cold af wth

[round wraith]

during beta when missing piece came out (long after playing EoC) i was like "holy peak"

but playing it before is stupid

[hybrid gazelle]

it spoiled

so like

[somber venture]

random ass side character becomes the most badass guy from fruma??

[hybrid gazelle]

it's on you if you click on spoiler tag when on topic of quest discussion LOL

[worthy hornet]

yea kinda pmo

[signal bough]

that was a long quest ngl

[somber venture]

r u verified trash in game

[round wraith]

eh

its only halfway thru fruma

not like apoth or postraid or even the reveal from overture to despair

[cloud phoenix]

shouldnt have touched the spiler im so stipid 😭😭😭

anyways yea if that is so i agree that quest order should 100% be swapped

[hybrid gazelle]

if you talkign about missing piece and echo of change

no it should not trust me

missing piece originally in the beta is like

a weirdest quest

I have not play the live yet

that what I kept my expectation for

[signal bough]

there were so many bugs 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

I was not talk about bugs

[signal bough]

well that's my opinion of the live version

[azure tangle]

its weirder for missing piece to be after echos of change tbh swapping the order made sense

[hybrid gazelle]

it made sense for player wise cause like

||why would player go back to Roughwork consider wtf happen in echo of change||

[azure tangle]

exactly

thats more important

it makes ||syndra's|| reveal slightly redundant but like, eh. thats not as weird as going back to the area

[solar ingot]

anyone has the fruma timeline?

[hybrid gazelle]

@rustic nexus can you post it

[fluid loom]

hey I noticed in the first Fruma quest some of the other recruits mentioned something about the spell affecting our memory having worn off, is there a quest where it first wears off / any quest that gives context to this?

and other than Tasim, have we actually met any of these other recruits in previous quests? sorry i got the memory of a goldfish

[hybrid gazelle]

Recover the past

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes we did meet all of them

[fluid loom]

thx

[drifting aurora]

nah. the player's canonically out of the roughworks after echoes, so it doesnt make a ton of sense to return for missing piece

• quest progression flows nicer if echoes and shrouded in mist are directly next to each other

rather than having a gap level

[round wraith]

and yet leaves in the wind 3 and the spa quest are both 108

[cloud phoenix]

||its just kinda weird that you cant say anything to snydra abt elise||

[round wraith]

genuinely missing price could be lv 118 and i think it’d be great

[cloud phoenix]

spoilers for missing piece

[drifting aurora]

i responded to a feedback thread about this, its something id be up for adding

[cloud phoenix]

do you have the link to it?

[round wraith]

the experience of being long past echoes in the wind (where u learn the backstory) and not expecting the twist but slowly putting the pieces together (no pun intended) was awesome

[neat oriole]

are all of the people on corkus inbred because only 7 ppl escsaped 🤔

[hybrid gazelle]

I play through a new beginning and still no comment on it change from my beta playthrough

[drifting aurora]

i mean i can link it but it literally is just me saying. yeah thatd be cool

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like quests in these earl level

I just have no issue with LOL

[solar ingot]

yo, what happened to telling tasim about aledar?

[round wraith]

that’s like 99% of her fuel for ||killing the queen || so i have no idea how you do this and have syndra go “oh yeah nah it’s chill i won’t immediately go visit her” but idk

[round wraith]

not implemented rn

[drifting aurora]

......
||she's..... dead?||

[round wraith]

cuz it’s needs extra dialogue for the mistwoods bridge scene and the hyloch dam

[round wraith]

||visit her grave bro ||

[hybrid gazelle]

||even if she do visit her, she will bring Elise under danger because of her prsence and also it wont do anything because Elise forgot about her||

||also Syndra would not know that she is dead because she still have matter like planning assassination||

[round wraith]

she remembers her as the quest progresses tho

idk i like ||syndra dying before elise||

something abt that is more tragic

[hybrid gazelle]

||during Steel Feather chapter, there just too much going on for Syndra to visit Elise||

[drifting aurora]

||leaving the safety of the steel feather isnt gonna end well when everyone's on the lookout for her. & the festival is the next day||

[drifting aurora]

sure i can see this

[restive yacht]

hear me out, just make the quest happen after || syndra dies || again

[hybrid gazelle]

||then the player go back to Roughwork for some rason???||

[drifting aurora]

no, i like echoes 112 so shrouded in mist is right after it

[hybrid gazelle]

that too

[round wraith]

||to me it was as if elise’s soul knew there was nothing left for her in this life once she remembered syndra. something inside her knew to move on to find her in whatever comes after :)||

[restive yacht]

quest really starts up casually

[restive yacht]

that's gonna be a lot of lore changes no?

[drifting aurora]

what

[hybrid gazelle]

extactly that why It should not happen AFTER ||echo of change|| because it start up too casual

[restive yacht]

like at least 1 more dialogue option on || syndra lore drops after we fight her ||

[round wraith]

yeah it doesn’t rlly makes sense to reenter timasca when the city is on high alert for terrorists

[drifting aurora]

what are you talking about

[hybrid gazelle]

oh wait

are not you the guy that said her Majesty need more screen time

[restive yacht]

scenario when the player does ||the missing piece before echoes ||

[hybrid gazelle]

and she should appear in A journey home?

[restive yacht]

as a joke, yes

[drifting aurora]

1 dialogue option

[hybrid gazelle]

is it?

[drifting aurora]

is not that significant

idk look my conclusion ultimately is that theres a little bit of awkwardness either way, if its before or if its after

[restive yacht]

u wanna make her fight knowing || elise died? that's kinda tragic 😭 ||

[drifting aurora]

i decided that having echoes 112 was better for overall progression

[hybrid gazelle]

What

[restive yacht]

i'm serious about this 1 don't worry

i mean, like, yea do that ig,

😭

[hybrid gazelle]

are oyu?

[drifting aurora]

like this is the only option that makes some sense, but that leaves roughworks with quest level gaps again

and i dont think its that much worse off for being before

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK you pretty convincing that one time where you said taht we should have scene where we talk to her majesty and she should appear in a journey home so IDK

[restive yacht]

new quest!

[hybrid gazelle]

now I am confuse

[round wraith]

just add another 🔥 ✍🏻

[restive yacht]

ok let's assume i was, is that not a bonus?

[drifting aurora]

yeah sure we'll get on that

[restive yacht]

😛

[round wraith]

lololol

[hybrid gazelle]

so you are not joking?

but I though you said you were joking

[restive yacht]

I'M Not joking about this, this has nothing to do with the fruma queen skit

[hybrid gazelle]

is it?

[restive yacht]

isn't it?

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont know man

[restive yacht]

do u also have diabetes... big problem these days

[hybrid gazelle]

not really

[restive yacht]

oof, that leaves me

[hybrid gazelle]

does it?

[drifting aurora]

can we not

please

[hybrid gazelle]

alright LOL

anyway I would fucking love adasaur quest

in the future

[round wraith]

oooh yes

[hybrid gazelle]

also wshould not Adasaur appear as a mobs??

I remember salted talk about it

but then even after mount release they just not there

as a mobs

there lonly koviraptor

[restive yacht]

oh yea a quest that is also a jurassic park reference would be cool

that introduces you to those mounts

[hybrid gazelle]

also wtf you mean the crown dosmeticated a toad as part of millitary

[drifting aurora]

i can see one getting added eventually

[hybrid gazelle]

Adasaur and wyvern quest would be nice yeah

also does like

gigataod suppose to have helmet???

cause I swear they aren ot liek that in beta

[drifting aurora]

@round wraith did you play missing piece on beta aswell btw

[round wraith]

yes

[drifting aurora]

would you say the dialogue/timeline edits made for release made the quest easier to understand

[round wraith]

haven’t done release version yet

but i’ll get back to u

[drifting aurora]

oh. lol

i thought you had

[restive yacht]

what do u mean u actually hate horses?? wtf man

[drifting aurora]

since you were talking about it

[round wraith]

i was assuming :3

[cloud phoenix]

what are the differences beside quest ordering?

[round wraith]

that it would feel weird to do before echoes

:3

[drifting aurora]

a little hard to describe

[hybrid gazelle]

I still trying to get to missing piece rn

[drifting aurora]

the biggest thing is cutscene 3's dialogue was entirely redone. the others follow generally the same idea

[hybrid gazelle]

uh

I htink I found a bug in undersupply

I keep getting push upward help

[regal spire]

Go into the light

[hybrid gazelle]

no I meant

I was being PUSH UP

evne if I outside the steam

[regal spire]

😇 👼

I am that I am. Inside and outside of steam

[late dagger]

Howdy

[hybrid gazelle]

hello

[signal bough]

I guess fruman toads are intelligent

[hybrid gazelle]

no it just funny to see frog wearing big ass helmet

[signal bough]

it is

also the vending machines have rotating stock

not sure how many sodas/energy drinks there are

they always have the maijin and zhiraok drink tho

Red Butterfly, Orange Crush, and Unproblematic Seltzer I think are some rotating ones

[slim belfry]

OH NO I THOUGHT THAT WAS PATCHED

this was a bug in beta

I thought it was fixed because I spent an hour triggering it to see if it still exists

[restive yacht]

i swear warp hasn't felt as good for a while, that was refreshing af

did it in 1.5 seconds

[somber venture]

Do we get to kill tasim :D

I only have apotheosis left

[slim belfry]

find out for yourself

[hybrid gazelle]

Look like it happen when you go into the pipe while being push up

[slim belfry]

dang I tried doing that

I wonder if lag helped with that too

the slight delay making it easy to push up going in

[brazen spear]

🥺

[somber venture]

Hey its his decision

We coulda pulled him out or he coulda turned back its what he wanted to do

Who are we to deny him st that point

[signal bough]

also since this is #📚lore_discussion, that sacrifice allowed the gates of the eldritch outlook to be opened, which led to the defeat of the Eye

what do you think happens after that?

[brazen spear]

yo no spoilers

[signal bough]

well go ahead and do it

Aledar should be just about to give you the run-down

[brazen spear]

im rn doin queen recruit

[signal bough]

then we will discuss the Silent Expanse cause its been out for 7 years

[brazen spear]

bro i js met tasim bro😭 does he find out

[signal bough]

how much influence does the Eye actually have on the SE?

[brazen spear]

should i tell him

or no

[signal bough]

yeah but I heard theres no outcome cause it was unfinished

[brazen spear]

nah bor thats too brutal

[hybrid gazelle]

we dont know hwo much the eye have influence over SE

rn it very ambigious so

IDK maybe when AJB and AJF been rewrite

[signal bough]

well, 60% of terrible beasts in the SE have an eye theme

the question is if they'd have problems without it

I don't really think that there's that much hope there, not a gavel situation where god just tells you 'yeah the Decay is gonna be completely reversed'

[brazen spear]

wait what is fruma like is it the place you in before you become a soilder

[signal bough]

yeah, you're fruman, tasim is fruman, aledar is fruman, and some of the humans around are frumans

[brazen spear]

so why did they erased our memmories

[hybrid gazelle]

||he was proven wrong||

azlso spoiler please

likt at very least

[brazen spear]

ig ill find out that soon

[low lynx]

Wdym

[signal bough]

cause they did crimes and they wanted to get rid of wasteful/useless ppl

as well as not give away any info about Fruma to the outside world

so just wipe their memories, send them through the gates, and forget

[hybrid gazelle]

||he know what she is but he stick to his gun in thinking that this is the only chance to end the war between the 2 realms, though with the event apotheosis that no longer possible due to the queen pretty much gone batshit insane and Tasim being back to the corner where he cant gaslight himself into thinking he pick the right path||

[low lynx]

Oh I see

[hybrid gazelle]

||he though he was in too deep to change now which is why he told you to kill him once you finally proven him truly wrong, but you did not so he has no choice but to switch side to help you to do the right thing||

[gentle fable]

I went through the entire questline, but I did it while incredibly tired and in multiple sessions so I'm a little confused. Maybe I missed something?

Does anyone know ||what the war in fruma was about and why the queen kept the gates closed for so long? Do we know why it was hidden "there is no war inside the fruman walls"?||

[hybrid gazelle]

||if you were talking about the quote "There is no war inside Fruma" that was simply reference to Avatar and nothing more and been long remove which no longer relevant to Fruma story.

The queen keept the gate close for so long because she want Fruma to be clean from outside influence, the province is her to control, it's made for her. She want total control.||

||The wartorn palace meant to be play on the fact that the palace now been corrupted due to the queen's true form emerge from her shell and now the influence of War have spread throughout the palace

and there also war between the rebels and loyalist||

[gentle fable]

||So the queen didn't go out of her way to try and hide the war from the population?||

[hybrid gazelle]

||okay here the problem which war are we talkin gabout like||

||are we talking about war as in war beetween the rebels and loyalists or War as in influence and what she was||

||like if we talkin gabout war as in like general concept then I mean there actually no war inside Fruma so why would the queen hide it||

||like there litterally no war in Fruma AT ALL that the point until player arrive||

cause I have a feeling that oyu might take outdated info and try to apply it to the current story

[true gate]

i haven't done yet all of the fruma quests but what is this new gavellian (?) text next to fruma?

is it like relating to dern?

[hybrid gazelle]

it's wasteland

it's coming later as part of major update

[true gate]

oh right

[warm ore]

has anyone already found all hidden notes in "the strong survive" Quest?

[split night]

if scenario, light and dark banged each other and make dullahan as their child vessel

[dim plover]

I misread the sentence ignore the ping

[split night]

what did you misread it at

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/271526142702256142/1212590949994336376/thei.gif

[dim plover]

No I just thought you were stating something canonical

It’s all good

[split night]

xD

[split night]

I drew this guy, the ROARING Dullahan, this is their child

[cinder cedar]

I kinda wish there was more to Dullahan than just being forever stuck in his castle

[hybrid gazelle]

there is more dullahan

it just literally in a quest that for some reason include him in it

aka forbidden prison

that add nothing but implication that Dullahan just has humonculus that he sent out for some rason

mpreg dullahan theory is in stock

[split night]

this is just peak

[cinder cedar]

O_O

[sonic tundra]

||my theory is that after the queen ragebaited us by calling us mid in the first quest, our character fall for the ragebait and went on a killing spree just to prove that they are in deed not mid||

[split night]

|| nice interpretation of your Character ||

[neat oriole]

||i picked no one for celebrations in smoke an they all died 😔 ||

[slim belfry]

WHAT

||I thought I did bad only choosing one wtf||

[coarse hull]

||who was the actual changeling||in celebrations in smoke

[hybrid gazelle]

||we dont know||

||it meant to be a mystery||

[coarse hull]

this is gonna make me feel so guilty

[hybrid gazelle]

||but no matter what, the crime was set up that way so the 3 are blamed and suspect as changeling||

||so cahngeling or not, they are doomed||

[neat oriole]

they all felt too sus

[sonic tundra]

||I think the guy that deserted, since changling dont get the memories, and one of the other lost a box of tea and the other picked it up so it match||

[vale sonnet]

||just read Soosu's diary 💀 ||

[glossy shoal]

guys were can i find tasim , rex and company after all the story line quest?

[lusty osprey]

are the leaks of ||Rex shooting at dern beast and saying "Armless but not harmless"|| true

[young sequoia]

probably until wasteland

[edgy loom]

first time hearing about this lol

[young sequoia]

or wait for them to add more quests

[edgy loom]

either way, that's impossible, the CT can't plan that far ahead

[glossy shoal]

oh relly ? not even a single line of dialuge?

[young sequoia]

idk

there are still things need to be covered

[glossy shoal]

kk

[rustic nexus]

late as fuck but here ya go

[split night]

I really like that Fruma is so technologically advanced compare to the rest of the world that it feel like I just walk to real life when I explore the industrial district

[rustic nexus]

yea

[split night]

no wonder why corkians are also kind of advanced, they are deprive from Fruma, even with memory loss, they can still progress relatively fast and bringing tech to other provinces

It felt like Fruma is a head of everyone else in at least 500-1000 Years

[vestal rivet]

this is cool
also, Gale is Fruman?

[rustic nexus]

yea

[vestal rivet]

and left with the Corkians
who I assume got their electromagic expertise from having lived in the Roughworks

[rustic nexus]

||gale is from the nasin house||

[vestal rivet]

holy

[split night]

|| what is a nasin i think i missed something||

[rustic nexus]

also gale left before the corkians

[vestal rivet]

ok I need to leave for spoiler reasons now lol
but then again I'm still too much of a scaredy cat to play until I see the item wipe bugs are completely gone

[rustic nexus]

||the house zhiraok is from||

[vestal rivet]

||Zhiraok's house, which is scorned apparently||

[split night]

||huh so that's why she is powerful||

[rustic nexus]

ehhh

[hybrid gazelle]

ehhh no

[rustic nexus]

partly??

but like

it would be more because her name allowed her to study magic

[hybrid gazelle]

being nasin does not make you powerful lol

yeah

you just get higher education

[split night]

I mean, she at least more powerful than the average human

[hybrid gazelle]

probably the best that you could ask for

yeah imean

she is a ghost

[split night]

or I think im getting the wrong gale

[rustic nexus]

gale of the air division in the hive

[split night]

yeah that one

[vestal rivet]

Zhiraok isn't strong because of his bloodline, he's strong because his bloodline gave him access to education and that he was a powerhouse already even ignoring that
and then was made a Sovereign

[hybrid gazelle]

||gale and zhiraok reunion in gonna be REALLLLL awkward||

[rustic nexus]

yeeaaahhhh

[hybrid gazelle]

||Consider how Gale pretty much responsible for his situation||

[rustic nexus]

I mean

would it even be a reunion?

I think zhiraok never met gale

[split night]

btw, is there any chance that the item lost can happen to be a mythic

[vestal rivet]

Fruma has more tie-ins with the rest of the world than I though
Wynn and Corkus I expected but Gavel?

[vestal rivet]

it already has happened

someone lost their quetz

[rustic nexus]

that's why fruma is THE GOAT

[split night]

oh my boat that sound ass

[rustic nexus]

fruma made the whole game better

[split night]

It did

[vestal rivet]

except for gamebreaking lag and item deletionbugs

[rustic nexus]

blame the players for that

shouldn't be playing in such high numbers

[split night]

I think we usually don't bundle bug as a feature for an update, don't group them like that xd

[vestal rivet]

blame wynntils!
-# although I do find it credible that Wynntils still exacerbated the issue even if it wasn't the cause

[rustic nexus]

wynntills deserve the slander

smh

[hybrid gazelle]

||I meant more family reunion LOL||

[vestal rivet]

||Zhiraok only rose to power 20 years ago, and wasn't immortal before then||
||1,000% was not born until at least several generations after Gale left||

[split night]

||would Zhiraok just call her grand-grandmother||

|| ageing is weird in this game ||

[vestal rivet]

weird for specifically the Frumans and non-human races
humans themselves seem to age normally without intervention

[split night]

I personally believe that Lari is just stuck at like between age 20-30s and never grow older despite living for several hundreds of years because of the light granting her immortality like ||soosu||

[vestal rivet]

all the Sovereigns are immortal
this has been known for a while I think

[split night]

That would explan why she feel like a young adult even when she's at least 1000 years old

xd

[vestal rivet]

the surprising/disturbing part is ||being unable to opt out of service or step down willingly, as with Soosu's case||

[split night]

yeah i know im just picking ||soosu|| because she is a good example for her age stuck the same for very long

[vestal rivet]

also I've not completely finished the Roughworks section, was cut short when the item deletion bugs started and scared me off

[split night]

It seem very likely that immortality pauses people ageing progress and other biological factors to make them biologically immortal

[vestal rivet]

so Soosu is as far as I can really go for Sovereign knowledge

[edgy loom]

||the fact that soosu can no longer have her blessing removed has me worried for her||

[vestal rivet]

||the regeneration factor seems less consistent, Soosu messed up her hands and has to use what looks like cybernetic hands, while Zhiraok just casually comes back to life||

[split night]

It's not just Lari too
it's all of the elfs who felt like they have been stuck at that age for very long while acting similar to how a person of their age would act

[vestal rivet]

something tells me that this has gone on for a looong time before we got here, and that this likely isn't even the first attempt at such a deal

[split night]

|| she's person being stuck in a child body and a child mind forever, imagine that kind of horror||

[vestal rivet]

seeing ||unicorn adventures and dense math and physics textbooks|| on the same shelf was funny still

[edgy loom]

yeah but the problem is that ||the queen is gone||, it's permanent

[split night]

Immortality but you can't age to the age you want is absolutely scary

[vestal rivet]

@edgy loom .

[split night]

imagine stuck at a 10 yrs old, forever

[rustic nexus]

also is it me or do the flower dialogue portraits look unfinished a bit

like the face feels like it lacks shading

[glossy shoal]

how to make spoiler text?

[rustic nexus]

|| at the start and end of a text

[glossy shoal]

||try||

oh thx

[rustic nexus]

there ya go

[split night]

idk, Flowers look perfect
they're just a cutey and adorable big guy

[rustic nexus]

tthey are but like

the face feels too unshaded...

compared to how shaded the body is

[glossy shoal]

||is possible that any major characted from tasim to res to sui or quill are just gone after ther quest is finished ? even in the corkus storyline we can meet everyone and have some relly cool interactions||

[rustic nexus]

uhhhh

you're basically asking for spoilers lol

[glossy shoal]

not spoiler

like they r just gone

[rustic nexus]

well

||tasim apparently can be found behind the leaves in the wind hq after the raid||

[glossy shoal]

oh i see

[rustic nexus]

also like

there is going to be another chapter to the story of fruma

so it's not technically over yet

[glossy shoal]

is gonna be under 120 i guess

[rustic nexus]

over

maybe

[glossy shoal]

over?

[rustic nexus]

idk it would be 119-120 at current levels

[glossy shoal]

ohhh kk

[rustic nexus]

cuz it's post raid

[glossy shoal]

okok

so for the game we beath the ass of ........

[rustic nexus]

but I can see them increasing level cap ngl

[glossy shoal]

with only 15 lvl we need to be relly tanky

[south orbit]

Is this true? Or just speculation

Like 1 final chapter I guess?

[rustic nexus]

it's true

kind of a spoiler but

the final quest (at least on beta) tells us that the story will be continued in another chapter

[south orbit]

It felt weird how it ended with the raid and no epilogue

[rustic nexus]

yeah there will be an epilogue

just later

probably alongside wastelands

[south orbit]

Are the wastelands like a we'll add it in a few months thing or a we have no idea what will be here so we'll add it in a couple years

[edgy loom]

salted said like a year

so expect it to be later

[spring kernel]

it won't be years but it also probably won't be this year

[rustic nexus]

wastelands is fruma dlc

[azure tangle]

Thank you for volunteering this message to be memed if it takes 2 years for wastelands

[spring kernel]

Absolutely

[buoyant depot]

😭

[rotund gust]

||im just now realizing upon replaying, who was the leak in echos of change. Tasim says the crown knows about our plan, was she just psychic or did someone leak it?||

||no one in that group is revealed as a changeling||

[winged narwhal]

Can’t wait for Bloomi Gate to be added

[rustic nexus]

||jino was replaced by a changeling||

[exotic bough]

Actually?

[rotund gust]

wait who tf is jino

[rustic nexus]

idr if that was his actual name

[rotund gust]

is that the guy ||who meets with syndra at the auburn festival?||

[rustic nexus]

the guy with no dialogue portrait

[limber swan]

how do we know if jiro was replaced by a changeling

[rustic nexus]

JIRO RIGHT

[spring kernel]

who was jiro

[rotund gust]

yeah jiro

[spring kernel]

i haven't done the mistwoods quests since june

[rustic nexus]

||we don't know specifically but it can be guessed given he doesn't remember what happened during the rescue of that one woman||

[spring kernel]

oh that jiro

[exotic bough]

Don’t changelings stalk their victims or smth

[rotund gust]

||huh, neat||

[rustic nexus]

no?

[limber swan]

I thought he just said it was water under the bridge not that he forgot it

[rustic nexus]

he literally goes "huh? why would I be mad at you?" when he was livid in the quest

[exotic bough]

Thought someone else brought that up when talking abt burning bonds

[limber swan]

ah

tf happened to the real jiro then?

[rustic nexus]

slimed

[naive loom]

Was Queen wrong lowk? I'm not a lore guy but even after finishing the whole questline i don't see how exactly she was in the wrong unless she was telling lies

[exotic bough]

Deraj (idk)

[rustic nexus]

wrong in how she treated the people of fruma

but like

[hybrid gazelle]

||and also how quick he change his attitude in that one scene||

[exotic bough]

She did the wrong things for the right reasons

[rustic nexus]

yea

[naive loom]

hmm ic

[rustic nexus]

that's the whole conflict

[hybrid gazelle]

she is being wrong

by being

fascist

dictator

[rustic nexus]

but in the larger scheme of things

...she has a point

[hybrid gazelle]

||it like senator armstrong, she is right and has a point BUT she is batshit insane||

||the world will likely change for the worst if we do help her in her goal||

[rustic nexus]

OKAY BUT THAT'S SUCH A GOOD COMPARISON

[hybrid gazelle]

||WYNNCRAFT SOMEHOW MANAGE TO HAVE VILLAIN WIHT SIMILAR NUANCE TO METAL GEAR RISING I AM CRYING||

[rustic nexus]

||"THE AUBURN FOREST IS DISEASED, ROTTEN TO THE CORE"||

we need whoever voices the queen for vow to sing collective consciousness

fr fr fr

[round wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/fullmetal-alchemist-olivier-armstrong-fma-armstrong-fma-fma-op3-gif-24131196

[paper wyvern]

She's not wrong about things that don't relate directly to fruma. She is a complete asshole when it comes to fruma though

[rustic nexus]

kind of basically yeah

[spring kernel]

THE WEAVE, SON

[lime dew]

so the player’s original identity still isn’t revealed?

[exotic bough]

Not really

Iirc ct wants to keep it vague to have that role playing element

[hybrid gazelle]

https://youtu.be/rqDxNpBvtWI?si=jWUk8CneV2ogIn_h&t=421

[rotund gust]

why is zhiraok so damn relatable

[rustic nexus]

cuz he's THE GOAT

[azure tangle]

WAIT

IS THIS ROYAL REPORT 2

[rustic nexus]

omg

[azure tangle]

WE HAVE IT

it cant be read

but its there

[rotund gust]

genuinely my favorite character i think. Man hates downtime and wants to always be doing something. Just like me frfr

zhiroak more like zhirgoat

[azure tangle]

cant even spell his name right smh

[rotund gust]

zhiraok

zhiroak

it’s fine

even the crossword puzzle lets you misspell it

[azure tangle]

yeah ik just messing

[rotund gust]

i want a compilation of youtubers mispronouncing his name

[hybrid gazelle]

I think he rather intresting character

||having Syndra pretty much used him for resistance cause is kinda 😭 since he geniunely see her as a friend but it is what it is, he working under fascist dictator||

||literally he being use by the crown and the rebel alike||

[azure tangle]

voices of wynn mispronounces it imo lol

[rotund gust]

voice of wynn fruma is… interesting

the majin voice was a choice

[digital ocean]

yea

[waxen aspen]

vow already has fruma voices?

[formal bridge]

They've been doing auditions and have some of them chosen out

[summer bluff]

I haven't heard it yet 😔 I don't like using voices of Wynn bc I have really strong headcanons abt the voices

[limber swan]

I wonder if they chose a VA for gikyo yet

[summer bluff]

There's one gikyo audition who is Doing Too Much and I'm worried that they're gonna get picked

[limber swan]

where do I find the audio recordings for the auditions anyways

[lethal hill]

also when you talk to syndra during tasks in echo of changes syndra would say ||jiro are asking lots of question and that kinda of OOC of him but syndra just dismiss it as jiro being nervous|| so doom

[formal bridge]

They haven't officially closed auditions for them yet

[summer bluff]

Their discord has a recording feedback channel, but on their ccc is all the auditions

[rustic nexus]

YEA

LITERALLY THAT

[spiral knoll]

Yeah I’m actually so fascinated by his character for just this reason like oof

Obviously like you said still ||working under a fascist dictator and enforcing those rules||

[drifting aurora]

we have portraits for him they just werent put in game in time for release,,,,

which makes me sad

[rustic nexus]

oop

insane

[drifting aurora]

kaio too

[unborn sage]

it couldn’t possibly be that much

all i know about bro is that he is some kind of changeling or nonhuman creature or some other sort of freakazoid who is trying way too hard for the artstyle and its giving him away

is what i can intuit as someone who has not started the fruma plotline yet

from teasers and such

within those parameters if he isn’t kind of trying too hard in the voice department too then what’s even the point

he’s a funhouse mirror image of what a secluded woodlands sovereign would look like

[hybrid gazelle]

||Like from little info you get, you get impression that Zhiraok could be such a nice person to have

if he did not indoctrinate the shit out of by his so call "noble" house in order to make him serve the queen to restore their lost honor||

[round wraith]

wow her waist is tiny

wtf

[earnest prairie]

snatched

[hybrid gazelle]

There reason for it

No srly this is lore important

[cinder cedar]

impressive corsetting

[spring kernel]

She must have a good weaver

Or tailor

[pine forum]

im halfway through fruma and screw ||tasim|| im doing it all for ||elise|| now dude

[burnt robin]

LOL

i hate ||elise|| cause she wouldnt move in the damn quest for 10 hours straight

like genuinely stood still in the entrance for the longest time

[winged narwhal]

Weird fucking question

Is Fruma Queen’s hair actually hair

[burnt robin]

nah its ||anathema's wings|| sticking out the side of her head

[winged narwhal]

Ah

[burnt robin]

(i act dont know

soooo

[summer bluff]

Well forgive me if I don't think that they'd be yelling all their lines 😔

[unborn sage]

that’s actually super funny I expected overly creepy sounding

guy calling attention to how human he is

[summer bluff]

Nahnahnah the creepy factor has to be there that's 100% The Gikster

[unborn sage]

always yelling isn’t perfect but part of me wonders if that’s more recording conditions and mixing than the actual take on the character

okay don’t tell me TOO much more

I Have Not Gotten Through The Gate Yet (they held me up because my passport was expired (and I’m waiting on full voice acting (among many other things)))

[summer bluff]

Ahhh that's spoilers nvm I'll delete it

Mb mb

[rustic nexus]

waiting for vow to experience peak is

a decision of all time

I do not trust the vow team to give the fruma cast a good set of voices

[winged narwhal]

I think the strategy would be to do one class on the current version and then come back to do tell Tasim+VoW

[rustic nexus]

yea

that would be best imo

[winged narwhal]

That’s what I’ll do if I ever end up actually leveling my assassin

[summer bluff]

Yeah..

I don't like dullahans voice but I don't play with the mod so

[rustic nexus]

what happened to voice acting characters in your mind...

[winged narwhal]

I mean you can just

Not install the mod

[rustic nexus]

yeah ik

I just am a wynn mod hater

[vestal rivet]

jokes on you I don't use voices of wynn because I'm hearing impaired and for the most part don't care

[summer bluff]

The characters always have peak voices in my brain bc my brain knows what they sound like

https://tenor.com/view/mastermind-i-can-imagine-anything-reddit-gif-13657853842981355594

[rustic nexus]

so true

[spring kernel]

||her hair is actually hair to the same level that her whole body is actually a real body||

which basically means idk

[summer bluff]

Majin would sound like a former friend I have and I kinda wanna show that but like

[summer bluff]

It was harvested from 100% certified auburn forest orphans

[hasty beacon]

Fruma queen used up all the magic in fruma to keep the butterfly hair in place

[spring kernel]

her hairdresser is just really scared

[rustic nexus]

omg

I need art of ||bak'al doing anathema's|| haircut

[winged narwhal]

Is there a lore reason the cockroaches in Fruma are stronger than Theorick

[rustic nexus]

gameplay

[shut hornet]

I WAS REALLY CONCERNED FOR A MOMENT WHEN I HADNT FINISHED READING THE SENTENCE

[rustic nexus]

LMAO

NAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

😭

SAM NOOO

[exotic bough]

built different

[round wraith]

https://giphy.com/gifs/jujutsu-kaisen-gHV5DEUUKC9ZLruA5i

like this

[rustic nexus]

yes

[round wraith]

so in 0 NA, the queen floods auburn, but in remains of the cursed, we see meteors raining down

was it that meteors came and then the flood?

or were these separate events?

[rustic nexus]

seperate events

in the area before you trigger the cutscene for remains of the cursed you can find stuff from 197-200 RA

which is like 400ap

while the auburn flood was 750 AP

if you would kindly observe the graph of the fruma timeline

[steep forum]

Remains is a very very different rebellion to Washed Away

[potent isle]

i think that the lore of the wynn province really doesnt do jack shit with the first 500 years

[exotic bough]

this

you could make an argument that its just stuff too old to be preserved

but thats the lame way out

[potent isle]

like the twains show up in 500 AP and then the next real event is Bob around 800 AP

[exotic bough]

hey potential man attacked a small fort in the year 464 ap and and a farm in the year 162 ap

only real event though is akias in 347 and thats pretty much about it

[brave rune]

wb ancient nemract

[exotic bough]

that too but i think that was like right when the portal opened

[potent isle]

"Bak'al is 162, this fuckery won't go on for much longer, thank god"

"Bak'al is 347, this fuckery won't go on for much longer, thank god"

"Bak'al is 854, this fuckery won't go on for much longer, thank god"

[azure tangle]

I think potential man’s dates are being changed

1 and 3 at least

[exotic bough]

can we rename those secret discoveries

[azure tangle]

I remember lexnt talking about it

[exotic bough]

why is the most important of bak'al's destructions only 2

[celest falcon]

Bak’al’s Deconstruction

[brave rune]

chronological?

[exotic bough]

1 should be "Bak'al's Conquest", 2 should be "Bak'al's Destruction", 3 should be "Bak'al's Wrath". change my mind

[azure tangle]

Bak’al’s Potential 1 2 and 3

bakals destruction 1 3 and 4

Check the tutorial for destruction 2

[exotic bough]

bakals conqeust and wrath dont even have much of a point to exist since it just shows bakal destroying a fort, which we already have a much better version of with destruction (2)

he doesnt even say the line in wrath anymore that makes people think corruption serves dern

[winged narwhal]

Do we know what happened to Rex’s brother

[exotic bough]

hes ||caid||

[azure tangle]

Why did that not work lol

[exotic bough]

https://tenor.com/view/demons-souls-epic-spoiler-fail-demons-souls-remake-soulsborne-from-software-gif-21960088

[azure tangle]

I hate mobile

It’s probably the quotations

Add a line where Bakal says “Grr I hate ||my MOTHer|| “

That works

double fruma spoiler don’t click that if you care

[azure tangle]

He’s great at getting a boat in an impossible position

[shut mist]

||isent rex’s brother aledar||

[exotic bough]

compare the two skins

[shut mist]

But the grave

Revealed it

No ?

[azure tangle]

No

[keen wyvern]

Guys can you give me a clue where to find "Remains of the Cursed" ? It's the only one in Auburn i cant find

[exotic bough]

near the dam

[shut mist]

Ig im dumb

[exotic bough]

thats all im saying

[keen wyvern]

Okay i'll go check again ahah thx

[agile oxide]

||Before starting the cursed one, you can visit this grave. It is Aledar's grave. No clue if it is here before or after||

[azure tangle]

It’s easy to assume that’s what the grave is saying I did at first (mainly because I forgot who caid was)

[agile oxide]

||Recounts RtP and fills in some minor space around it||

[shut mist]

Interesting

The dialogue was hinting at that tbh

[agile oxide]

||Aledar was pretty much part of the Leaves and tried to steal from sovereigns palace, and was a nice guy||

Fruma crossovers are crazy

I really wish some of the quests took place outside Fruma, maybe taking the Leaves outside to train or something and see the world

[exotic bough]

in the epilogue i hope

festival of the blizzards gonna go crazy

maybe bonfire as well but idk

[shut hornet]

wynncraft player reading comprehension

ok sorry thats mean

but kaio is referring to the concept of being sent to wynn as the thing rex was talking about. not aledar himself

[summer bluff]

||glad to see that breaking into zhiraoks house is a time honored Leaves in the Wind tradition||

[agile oxide]

future quests outside Fruma maybe? I think it'd be a nice use of the rest of the map for end game (specifically bringing frumans outside)

[gusty galleon]

is there a way to redo Recovering the Past if you did like the old version

as in like the 2014 version 💀

or do I just have to load up a new character to find out wtf is goin on there

[azure tangle]

Yea

[agile oxide]

New class as far as i know

[summer bluff]

Should be easy enough to get a character to lvl 40s

[somber venture]

what exactly is the purpous behind the wellspring of eternity

[exotic bough]

gives sovereigns and the queen eternal youth or smthn like that iirc

the only content associated with it is its world disc

[somber venture]

and xima valley

[keen wyvern]

alright could you be a little more specific please ? 😭

cant find it

[exotic bough]

around undersupply area/northeastern forest

[azure tangle]

It’s 25 lol

[drifting aurora]

||there are 3 checks in place which disable this interaction.
1: unavailable before youve completed A New Beginning
2: unavailable when kaio has other interactions (rn this is between stages 3 and 5 of The Cursed One, and during stage 1 of Revelations in Fall
3: at a certain point in the story, this interaction stops being available permanently||

[gusty galleon]

do you actually get to ||tell Tasim Aledar is dead at the beginning of the Fruma Questline I accidentally skipped over the second opportunity to tell him||

[azure tangle]

Not in game yet afaik

[gusty galleon]

I see, the new dialogue thing has some kinks because if you try to skip to see full dialogue it'll auto choose the first dialogue choice sometimes

[azure tangle]

I’ve not started fruma for that reason lol I’ve just been wyverning

[gusty galleon]

so uhhhh oops didn't mean to say that

[azure tangle]

I STILL can’t breed them

[shut mist]

Do we get to do it later on

[limber swan]

not added yet

[gusty galleon]

i see

[limber swan]

idk when it will be

hopefully soon

[azure tangle]

||Queens recruit is the only chance||

[gusty galleon]

I was so sad when I ||opened the train locker on that one sidequest and they went "not implemented yet sorry"||

I wonder if I'm just screwed out of whatever was there forever or if it isn't that serious

[azure tangle]

during beta we were told we are probably overestimating the difference

but that could have changed

[keen wyvern]

Is it that closed blue door in a cave ?

[exotic bough]

youre very close. it just needs something nearby to be activated

[agile oxide]

any list of interactions like this yet?

[keen wyvern]

god finally found it ahah thx

[hallow burrow]

I have a theory, and I wish to see your opinions:
||The Spymaster Sovereign is the Scion of Dern||

I believe this, because:
||-Sephanis (The Dern Beast) gives commands to Bak'al, not the Scion of Dern. (Bak'al is know to be "War's lost Scion" since the quest Overture to Despair)
-She does not show her face -- it may be because she is an Olm||

||She may be using time magic as well to see the potential futures.||

[azure tangle]

||her name is Two because shes a scion of two beasts||

[hallow burrow]

It would make sense

[frail furnace]

||has anyone found the stuff that the person behind the door during the strong survive is asking for?||

|| if you talk to the door during the quest it asks for your name, if you answer with NIRAN (discovered by combining the hidden message from all 5 notes) it asks for the following:||

||solved it, you need 6 diary entries and then it forms a book, if you go to the door, type niren youll have the option of saying yes and niren would answer the door with more lore and no extra reward as it seems||

[quaint wing]

So, I asked this in general, never got a reply, but what is Tasim's cannon archetype, and what WAS Aledars archetype? We know Tasim is warrior, and Aledar WAS assassin, but what archetype?
Genuin question here.

[vestal rivet]

archetypes aren't quite cannon on the same level classes are

[shut mist]

Tasim feels like bmonk

[vestal rivet]

they have no official archetypes, but if I had to guess, aledar is a shade and tasim a pala

based solely on their AHC fight movesets

likely hybrid action with aledar being a trickshade and tasim being a palamonk

[whole river]

Archetypes don’t exist

[quaint wing]

Ah

[whole river]

sorry fallen enthusiasts

[quaint wing]

WHAT

What, does that mean though???

Is it just like "You can do this, or that, or both, idc"?

[whole river]

Pretty much, I would say you could, lore wise anyway, do something from every archetype

Except like fallen ig

[quaint wing]

Why not fallen?

Is that the only non-canon thing?

[whole river]

Corruption doesn’t work like that

Even if it is cool

[quaint wing]

Huh, well, I have learned things.

I mean

Could be like Dying Light: The Beast (Have not played that, only know the PLOT).

Like, an experiment gone wrong or smth.

Technically that went wrong, but also right, I have no clue.

[round wraith]

@worldly shore
Kaio grave interaction i mentioned yesterday, i think u asked when it becomes available

[worldly shore]

i saw

ty

[past laurel]

hello guys
where is the fox mask for the light and shadow secret discovery
in the mistwoods
I've been looking for it for the past 20 minutes
and for the life of me I cannot find it
I already found the owl and deer masks

[winged narwhal]

Aledar is apparently an alchemist

[past laurel]

oh my goodness I found the fox mask

that took much more time than I'd like to admit

maybe I'm just absolutely horrible at finding things

[drifting aurora]

NPCs are not limited to the player class archetypes

tasim draws elements from battle monk and paladin, but has other stuff not connected to either, and does not fall neatly into either of them

[vestal rivet]

Aledar can be seen using shadowy clone figures in AHC, but not extensively
he also uses Vanish extensively to sneak up on you

meanwhile, AHC Tasim is build like a concrete bunker and calling down airstrikes directly onto his own forehead in an attempt to take you down with him
he also does the emboldening cry thing and calls nearby soldiers to his aid when Aledar struggles to do so

[brittle glen]

Man wtf was that... The Missing Piece quest is crazy

[west crypt]

where'd you get diary note 1?

i cant find it

[limber swan]

Tasim is a paladin

he literally has paladin abilities

[whole river]

My brother…

[nocturne cave]

its my favourite out of all the quests

[brittle glen]

Havents finished all of the Fruma quests. Its my favourite quest ever.

The ||Big Brother|| reference is amazing.

The whole quest is crafter so well. The build up was seamless

[nocturne cave]

All the quests are great, not one mid one: all A tier and above

May be biased ofc

[limber swan]

f

[rotund gust]

is ascended guardians new major id supposed to be a reference to Syndra?

like we don’t know who the heroine is

but it’s a fire spear

[dry aspen]

tasim is palamonk let's gooooooo

[frail furnace]

i dont recall but which is which but
||there was one in the kitchen, one below the stairs, one in the training area, one on top of the furthest left bed in the dorms||