📚lore_discussion

[hybrid gazelle]

It is but it also provide for intresting narrative

[vestal rivet]

yeah but the narrative has to be compatible with the game format

respecting player choice and crap

[hybrid gazelle]

It is what it is that why I speak from assumption that like

Quest get remake like in lootrun update

[vestal rivet]

I really don't see this working unless the player either gets a general order to help around wynn randomly or is more of a mercenary type deal

[hybrid gazelle]

It is hard to get it work cause the way Wynncraft quest work is just

Worn against the premise theh gojng for

Wynncraft story would benefit from having monuments like progress

[vestal rivet]

yeah well that's not what the server is and we have to work around that

by the time the player reaches Gavel, then kinda have to be able to act on their own without orders
heck by the time the player starts doing stuff on random islands in ocean

so realistically we have to have an excuse to get the player out of the army before level like 25

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah but that also very unrealistic cause like

That so soon

Like no way Wynn gonna let you go at that time range lol

[vestal rivet]

ik
that's the issue I want to work around somehow

[hybrid gazelle]

That why I always see side quest as free time the player use

Like they did not do those under the title of soldier

[vestal rivet]

generous free time to cross the entire ocean, do something, and come back in

[hybrid gazelle]

It is lol but it like

Better than the alternative

Wynncraft progression just way too fast for its story

Straight up almost impossible to tell reasonable story with wynncraft progression

[vestal rivet]

maybe if we had an excuse
first general order after first like 2 quests is to generally just help out aroudn the wynn province
then eventually they get an order to unlock the seaskipper telling them to go do stuff in ocean or smthn, then later an order to go to gavel on deployment

[hybrid gazelle]

Ocean could be about like

Trying to establish order to it because

This is part of my wartorn project

But in thst project selchar protrayal as a relatively recent nation thst been created with collab of human and villager

[vestal rivet]

Selchar is the sister city of Detlas no?
or did wartorn retcon that

[hybrid gazelle]

In order to establish order to the ocean since it filled with Icelander and pirates

Wartorn did not really mention thst but it can be

But overall selchar just a nation funded by gavel to bring order to the ocean

[vestal rivet]

oh funded by gavel?

[hybrid gazelle]

By gavel I meant villager government

Idk why I keep saying that

But yeah jt meant to establish the order in the ocean

[vestal rivet]

I assumed Villagers when you said Gavel lol
they seem to be the dominant group

[hybrid gazelle]

Yoh can take it as jt being sister city of Detlas because they share the idea of both human and villager working together

[molten escarp]

ordinarily I'd think a punishment like this includes . Prison

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but like it not make for engaging quest is it

also this is just perosnal bias because in my take of wynncraft

Troms ocnsider one of the worst place to be in

due to how shit the jungle is

[warm flicker]

Troms is literally the jungles of vietnam according to u

[digital swan]

what if we give slykaar agent orange

[warm flicker]

hell be convinced using it against civilians makes agent orange even more powerful

[digital swan]

oh no I mean we agent orange Him

[warm flicker]

super cancer

[digital swan]

Is this the strategy for fixing every jungle problem
napalm and agent orange :glad:

[tropic tree]

have the avos drop the agent orange

peace between avos and corkians has been created

common threat solved

[pallid rain]

guys

i saw the new armour's lore

||inconceivably Deranged Paper Mask of Legendary Victory||

i think you guys broke him

[vestal rivet]

not new by any means

[cold cove]

Yeah I was about to say

How does one obtain that helmet anyway, I've never been able to figure it out

Is it some talking mushroom thing

[quick needle]

Does this mean that world event mobs and bosses are not overworld mobs? If so, where do they come from?

(from the hiring announcement)

[dim plover]

Wait which helmet

[dim plover]

They

Come from the world event

Like, they don’t spawn naturally in the world

[quick needle]

Is the world event not a type of spawning? How do normal mobs spawn?

[dim plover]

Wdym by “a type of spawning”

Every mob’s spawn in the game is a type of spawning

I just assumed that World Mobs are mobs that appear in the world naturally

Or like, the main map

[quick needle]

What exactly is the process of them appearing in the world naturally?

[dim plover]

They just… appear?

[quick needle]

True, but that's boring

[dim plover]

At a designated region

[quick needle]

I know the actual differences in implementation of the mobs, but I'm curious about the #📚lore_discussion implications of it

[dim plover]

Oh wait I just noticed what channel we are in

What does this have anything to do with lore

[quick needle]

Exactly

[dim plover]

No, like

[quick needle]

that's the fun question of it

[dim plover]

Mob spawning is clearly just a gameplay thing

[quick needle]

True, but "where do mobs come from" is still a fun thing to think about

[dim plover]

Then why were we initially discussing the differences between world mobs and world event mobs

[quick needle]

and if world event mobs come from a different place. I know that annie specifically comes from out of the world

[dim plover]

Ok you could have worded that a little better tbh

[quick needle]

fair enough

[dim plover]

I legit thought you were asking the differences between world mobs and world event mobs mechanic-wise

Or like, the distinction

[dim plover]

Or, uh, overworld mobs

[quick needle]

Those would generally be #❓questions though

[dim plover]

Anyways in-universe I’m pretty sure they all just come from the same location

Same region or whatever

[quick needle]

Are all mobs we encounter just corrupted things that existed before in the world?

Are world events groupings of those mobs?

Hard to say

[hybrid gazelle]

I

I will be real

it just something that you have to accept it no matter how fun thinking process is

it's a game limited by its engine

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean yeah they exist

like yeah sure you can try to come up with some lore implication

but in the end wynncraft universe are baiscally real life or whatever fantasy setting there is where people live like we do

where most gameplay mechanic did not transfer over

like I dont think the world work in a way that random creaturescjust appear around and jump you

[neat oriole]

how much farming xp would the farmers in cinfras have

[violet vector]

0

They don't farm at all

[pallid rain]

but what if they do...?

[unkempt zephyr]

Is there any lore reason for the isles of fiction or is it just a fun Easter egg area related towards the festivals wynncraft has

[digital swan]

there's a letter from aster on it

[hybrid gazelle]

pretty sure it relate to festival lroe and stuff

[tropic tree]

behind like a tree while you’re not looking

[drifting aurora]

it has lore

[dull junco]

the lore: it just spawned in and no one knows how, why and for what reason

[spring kernel]

that is not, in fact, the lore

[dull junco]

i can slide u the source
|| i made it up ||

[warm adder]

what’s the lore then

Oh yeah what about bear zoo

that seems kinda random asw

[regal spire]

It’s, what I assumed to be, a traveling carnie that managed to set up a small attraction on an island, likely finding the bear abandoned as a cub

[warm adder]

does a peach wybel have a lore accurate name

[dim plover]

Is there a unique Peach Wybel

[warm adder]

idk

[regal spire]

Wonder why an orange wybel is so genetically uncommon

Or is it not and the orange wybel we know just the smartest one

[unkempt zephyr]

Maybe it’s natural selection

Since there not rlly and orangey areas aside from the desert so they get hunted easier

[digital swan]

they're all intelligent but the Orange Wybel is just the leader not the most intelligent
Nibbles is the actual genius (which is why it says "Ask Nibbles?)
In other words, the Orange Wybel is like Kaiser Wilhelm

[regal spire]

There aren’t any other orange wybels, though, as far as I’ve seen. Even on the island

Also, that “ask nibbles” line is referring to asking it to help assist it, not because it’s smarter—per say

[digital swan]

ye I'm bsing to make a Kaiser Wilhelm joke

[upbeat harbor]

Oh like Bismarck?

[stoic dock]

Is Ragni the capital of Wynn since it is the only since in Wynn to have a king?

[hybrid gazelle]

No Troms has it too

And Almuj have mayor

we just dont know much about political system in Wynn

[stoic dock]

ah okay

[hybrid gazelle]

but it seems like every cities have their own alliance

[stoic dock]

yeah cause if two seprate cities each have their own king

[hybrid gazelle]

it was never comfirm if King Ragni have control over Detlas but consider it was build with combination of villager and human work

it likely not

[stoic dock]

like each city state is in alliance with eachother?

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[stoic dock]

yeah that makes sense

[stoic dock]

can corrupted undead be risen again after you kill them with like a meteor? or can the corruption just raise them again and again

even if the undead is reduced to ash

[hybrid gazelle]

Rickeo shown to do that but we dont really know if all corrupted can do that

but ocnsider how like

corruption just reanimate shit rather than bring them to life

I think it possible that corruption can just reanimate the body of zombie again

but this is just headcanon tho but like that SHOULD be possible

unless evidence say other wise

corruption is a case where this can be literally overpower to the point it almost impossible to beat but it just limited by the narrative

[stoic dock]

i see

so the corruption is more of a threat you really can't perma beat but rather one you have to keep in check?

[quartz mist]

basically

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah in game you just a lone person that have the right to just leave the province

so corruption does not seems like big issue to you

but when you are a leader or ordinary person that live in the province

corruption getting its way into entire farmland just mean no food and now you ahve to deal with this patch of land until the problem is solve

aand that one thing

[stoic dock]

oh?

[hybrid gazelle]

consider how corruption meant to be anti-life

it essneitally mean it kinda hard to grow food there

so that why place like Ragni have large farmland and placel ike Detlas barely have any agriculture

due to its distance to the RoC

so what htis mean is

place like Detlas entirely relying on outside source to feed its ownpeople

which is a problem

because the wilderness just full of undead

which mean the caravans need go through land infested with undead in order to deliever food

carvans being destroy along the way or delay just mean more problem for Detlas

so essentailly corruption just nightmare to go against even out of combat

imagine fighting zombie apocalypse with medieval tools and your men do not even need to be bitten by zombie to be a zombie

it not doom and gloom ofc cause outsider still provide technology such as magic

but like it still hrash place to live in

[stoic dock]

for sure yeah

[violet vector]

Why is the king of Ragni a villager?

[stoic dock]

honestly idk, mabye his family after the villagers met the humans of Wynn helped form Ragni

and have been the city's rulers ever since

[hybrid gazelle]

He adopted

Tbe royal family adopted him

[violet vector]

Do you have a source?

[violet vector]

I don't remember hearing about that but then again I'm not that deep into lore

[hybrid gazelle]

Wynnex site d ending

[stoic dock]

huh neat

[hybrid gazelle]

I am on phone rn so I can’t give direct source

[violet vector]

Ooooh yh i saw it on wiki

Ic

[stoic dock]

think it is only a matter of time before the corruption spreads to the rest of the world?

[violet vector]

Thx

[stoic dock]

is the sea lorewise a inland sea or is it just surrounded b y mountains on both sides for gameplay purposes?

[hybrid gazelle]

seaskippe did mention the border to exist in canon

so yeah liekly

the thing is that what we see in game is more representation rather than being what it actually is in the universe

[stoic dock]

yeah makes sense

the sea did also feel like a proper one rather then a inland sea

with so many islands having different themes

[dim plover]

Is Seaskipper a reliable source tbh

He does talk about other fourth-wall stuff like player shouts

And us AFKing in front of his face for minutes at a time

Basically a lot of meta dialogue

[stoic dock]

true

[vestal rivet]

aw my lore submission for that Cruel Sun didn't win
ah well ig

[night shale]

So the entire world is gavel fruma ragni right?

[hybrid gazelle]

huh?

you mean province?

[night shale]

Idk

Like the know world

Not including the other realms

[hybrid gazelle]

I still dont understand

like known land mass?

[night shale]

Yes?

[hybrid gazelle]

oh that what you mean

[night shale]

Are there unknow landmasses?

[hybrid gazelle]

well we got Wynn Province

Gavel

Corkus island

entire ocean with scattered island

[dull junco]

lore: the player is secretly a god 🗣️

[vestal rivet]

dude thought the entirety of the Wynn province was called Ragni?

[stoic dock]

he did?

[shut hornet]

famed Province of Ragni

[cold cove]

Ragnicraft

[cold cove]

The highlands Gale came from

[night shale]

High lands

Gaval

Fruma

Wynn

Other realms

[dull junco]

who even needs fruma anymore

useless

lets just spawn in a new province out of blue

[dim plover]

Wdym

[dull junco]

chat province with demi humans

trust 100% good idea

im absolutely sure theres people out there to just wanna see a town full of wolf people 🗣️

[night shale]

The physical plane

Not including other realms

Like earth has 7 continents

The entire Wynn world is
Ragni
some islands
corkus
Gaval
Fruma

[digital swan]

no there's also the province of wynn, the "province" of "corkus", and the province of olsztyn which had a portion turned into the silent expanse

[night shale]

I see

So other that fruma is there any unreleased areas

[dim plover]

Why is Ragni on the same rank as Corkus, Gavel and Fruma here

Or like on the same category list

[dim plover]

province of olsztyn
Huh?

[dull junco]

autocorrect

moment

[night shale]

Idk

[dull junco]

The Province of Kentucky Fried Chicken

[dim plover]

There has to be a reason you included it

[night shale]

Cause it starting region I guess

[dim plover]

Isn't it the first city

or like

town

[digital swan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olsztyn fuck this city.
where else could the realm of darkness portal be but here

[slim belfry]

I'm inclined to think there is more land beyond gavel, wynn, fruma, etc but inaccessible or not relevant to main region's affairs

gateway quest is also an example of there being more water and another passage near the silent expanse

[heavy sapphire]

Is there a canonical size of the known world? I have always thought of it as roughly Mediterranean-sized.

[digital swan]

it's like 5km by 5km

[heavy sapphire]

Surely that's just a gameplay abstraction

[hybrid gazelle]

it is the guy just messing with you

we dont really know the extact number

[digital swan]

5000 blocks by 5000 blocks or so innit

[hybrid gazelle]

since it more of like whatever and leave room for imagination for CT and toher to work with

[digital swan]

or just a little more

[hybrid gazelle]

so there is no extact size of the actual wordl;

[digital swan]

and if you ask me 1 block = 1 meter

after all you're just shy of 2 blocks tall

[hybrid gazelle]

there likely more as the game continue its service

not limiting to these regiohns just allow infinite contents in the wayyy future even after the War of the Realms storyline is over

They always leave room up for imagination and flexiblity

because again I highly doubt other people would like the idea of no new expansion content after Dern release

[lyric laurel]

Is there a doc that depicts all confirmed lore right now? Like an easy way for me to understand the lore.

[hybrid gazelle]

nope

Wynncrsft lore thst it is

Is collective of writing done by many writers and under rewrite

We can’t really know which information will be retained or will be rework in the future befause that kind of stuff can lead into leak or expectation from ct

And it just kinda hard to format entire lore of the world in easy to understand format

[stoic dock]

I feel bad for Dallahan

[slim belfry]

I kinda do and don't since he sorta killed people

[hybrid gazelle]

Dullahan meant to be protray as tragic character

but the narrative really put him down before him making any relevant

and when they try to maek him relevant again it likew ayyy too late

feel like they could amplify his tradegy more if they let Lari involve in the story

rather than just have Dullahan appearo n his own

definitely Dullahan being done dirty in the story

[neat oriole]

lari did not deserve dullahan

[slender copper]

Yeah... I feel so bad for Dullahan. Now to think of it, there are a lot of characters/lore pieces that have been dismissed by the timeline... or in this case isn't shown as relevant/important.

A good example is Iron Heart and the victims that are now forever bound in a suit of stone and metal. How many times did it get addressed/mentioned? Three. Even in A Hunter's Calling quest it's only addressed to darken the player's 'soul' (or at least that's what I've heard to why the ??? entity is even doing this).

Technically we get to see some of it within the The Realm of Light quest: The Taproot, where we need to make a decision.

But it's mostly within part 2 of Iron Heart, part 1 was just the hinting of something more going on with the Iron golems.

I mean, you would at least think that there would be like... action in spreading awareness... but no.

But now thinking of it, Dr. Urelix did say this when we made the decision to kill the Mayor.
"Ah, you recognize necessity. That couldn't have been pleasant...but what's needed isn't pleasant, in the end."
So this could also answer to why there are still in use, they are needed... even to how cruel the way to get them is.

[quartz mist]

to be clear, the Choice in that part of the quest isn't reality

it's you being put through a test basically

[slender copper]

You're right.

Another reason why I said it 'could' answer to why it's lack of publicity.

[hybrid gazelle]

Golems god awful world building aside

Most of it can dumb down to golems begin necessery evil so you come up with some explaination to why its secret never been address

Like government as a whole help Urelix with it

But yeah it still ain’t helping thst golems world building wise is utterly mess

[digital swan]

they gotta add us freeing Dullahan in Rol6 when we find lari again

[hybrid gazelle]

adding dullahan any further in the story just make it inconvience

because player gotta go back to Gavel for him to wokr and it would be really annoying

and it would be kinda downplay his history if he just get free nad act like nothing is wrong

it better off just rewrite ROL where he is more involve

Dullahan's death would serve as a good way for Lari character to develop

[bold geode]

I am still convinced l*ri is probably the worst written character in the game

Oh, the decay has been ruining your life for a thousand years and you still refuse to hurt the literal emissary of your sworn enemy

But I feed the funny wise old tree some weed to wake em?

That crosses the line, clearly I must die

?????? 😭 💀

[hybrid gazelle]

the decay does not really personally affect her until 800 AP

which is when DUllahan got bitten

but after that she never really get a chance to confront parasite again

[bold geode]

She’s still fighting the decay, trying to protect the land

It’s just, the way the story is communicated really does not help it, yk?

[hybrid gazelle]

No

[bold geode]

The whole like extreme contrast between insisting on pacifism and snapping the instant she feels slightly robbed just make her feel morally inconsistent, unstable and entitled as a person. The way she acts in regards to orphion, even if admittedly she was ghosted, just reinforces that

[hybrid gazelle]

ok

[vestal rivet]

well
a lot of people are like that irl lol

[hybrid gazelle]

Eh I wont even bother at this point

[slim rampart]

Where do the 5 classes come from?

Like, Fruma, obviously

But then what do their Archetypes originate from?

So far I've not seen or heard a lore reason why the Archetypes exist, tbh.

Specifically, how they got their names, why most people don't seem to mention them...

Generally, why they exist for us but not SUBSTANTIALLY stronger characters, like Lari?

I could believe it being a "canonical cookie cutter" case, where Fruma intentionally trains characters into the 15 roles...

But Ragni soldiers are canonically strong enough and smart enough to do a lot of things

[slim rampart]

My assumption is that Fruma would have to be VERY powerful to take that approach, strong enough that if the sent soldiers ever tried to return they could be handled

But if it's just "because Archetypes are cool", I'm

Honestly fine with that.

Most of the Quests showcase exclusive traits and factors which the player characters never have, while the player characters showcaae exclusive traits of strength which the NPCs and Quest characters will never have, so I guess it's a fair trade

We see them as strange, potentially powerful, and varied in strength, the same way they probably see us.

[regal spire]

Has something to do with the cursed status

[raw badge]

I think the names of archetypes are possibly from some source, besides Shadestepper which is mostly Wynncraft exclusive, as well as possibly Boltslinger? Other archetypes are inspired by other things, Batlle Monk is meant to be about the European martial art experts rather than the other monks

[regal spire]

Whatever reason, it gives em magical potential, and ig whatever happens to them when transferred forces that kind of association

[raw badge]

I suppose that's true, which could also be a reason why the player was also sent to Wynn alongside Tasim and Aledar, the former of which was confirmed to be cursed when he was helping Aledar, although he didn't intend to be an accomplice

However, in terms of what we did to become cursed or even be caught well, being cursed - its determinant

[slim rampart]

Hm, very strange

In the case of Mantle of the Bovemists, among other Paladin things, that implies a curse could be...Holy magic, related

By a longshot, yes

But there'a a chance for light in the "dark" curse, if that even IS an element of the curse.

[raw badge]

Yeah cursed is basically having some sort of magical power that likely is forbidden in Fruma, which I don't know how it originated or started spreading

[slim rampart]

for all I know the curse is like, ice magic type or smth.

[regal spire]

Apparently, this isn’t true, but I thought that the little message at the end of the prison scene for Recover the Past (the “now what might you be?”) was referencing the possibility of the brainwashing/memory wiping giving them control over that magical influence, and they were choosing what class they would be

[raw badge]

That's a good point

[digital swan]

Aren't archetypes like just the Ragni military just letting you play into your strengths in your class

[slim rampart]

I think it could be like, struggling to remember something

But when you finally DO remember it, it sticks hella strong and comes back to you better?

...Something like that could explain how Ability Points are actually specifically brushing up / recaps on previous skills, or "returning to your former glory" in a particular way you see fit.

But, naturally, it being limited by how much you can remember or smth

[raw badge]

But I don't suppose we have the truth about the player, or us in this case, who has been cursed somehow, but that question has yet to be answered which could be followed when Fruma releases, although people are saying early 2026 might be a lie, but I don't know

[slim rampart]

Apparently they're on loan (or sent as exile?) from Fruma

That's about as much as I know, other than a memory wipe hitting them all before transport

[digital swan]

ye but in fruma you don't know shit

[raw badge]

Yeah I'm not sure if anything else has/had the "protagonist has been cursed with magic in a forbidden origin place, and was exiled to go elsewhere" trope

[digital swan]

you're a criminal presumably like everyone else

[raw badge]

Yeah tbf Fruma is kind of like Ba Sing Se, but I'm not sure if Ba Sing Se comes close to the secrecy of such

I also do feel like the queen might also be cursed somehow, as she was possibly against such prior, but managed to become the very thing she swore to destroy?

[slim rampart]

Weird then how much freedom we get, though that also has some historic precedent because of how, say, Britain handled army-filling when their numbers ran dry.

They would in fact, hire criminals, and instead of jail them, have them act as unpaid mercenaries or soldiers for their redcoated army. It's a historical thing

Anyways, not out-there for a mind-washed criminal to make for good army fodder

That's an additional layer of security for Fruma/Ragni to use

[raw badge]

Yeah Aledar was a fugitive on the run for some reason, Tasim became an unsolicited accomplice and the player is unknown

[slim rampart]

Usually they're chased FOR their origin magic, to keep it quiet, but...

Yeah, the fact they're being sent into Wynn by Fruma, willingly, is what raises such a mystery

[raw badge]

But I suppose this channel is here for theory discussions, as well as the fact that I do always somehow want to gatekeep any further stuff with the well, upcoming update that's possibly coming soon

Yep

But how did the queen know about what happened in Wynn?

[slim rampart]

There's a queen of Fruma who actually has presence in Wynn?

[raw badge]

Actually, could the queen have been affected by some dark stuff?

[raw badge]

I dunno

[slim rampart]

With how Wynncraft lore trends I'd be more surprised if she DIDN'T have a dark magic she needs to hide from the populace through extreme force for fantasy drama reasons. Just seems like it matches the rest of the more serious tones.

[raw badge]

Being sent to Wynn to fight their war even though the queen might not have had any knowledge on such is weird

I guess it is like that

[slim rampart]

She might be desperate to get rid of uprisers or smth

[raw badge]

But I dunno if we'd have to have a boss battle against her?

[slim rampart]

Like, pick the nearest far away war she has a good path to send them on and YEET

[raw badge]

I was thinking that judging by the trailer with the people coming near the gate, I inferred that there might be something akin to Arrai-Veretal in All Roads to Peace but idk

[slim rampart]

Rulers are far from impervious, they're persons just like everyone else, but in a role that's hard to fill

[raw badge]

With having to defeat her to gain entry, but with whatever happening, idk

Yep

But even then, could Bak'al have been involved?

[slim rampart]

The king of Ragni is fine from what I remember

I'm honestly not caught up on any of the current lore

[raw badge]

Yeah the King of Troms is probably the more affected one, although instead of it being the Dernic corruption or whatever, its WynnExcavation's corruption

[digital swan]

It's called "deportation"

[slim rampart]

It feels like a lot of things already happened that I'm not aware of just because I'm limited by level

[raw badge]

But again with WynnExcavation, apparently Amadel's death did also likely cause budget cuts in A Thousand Meters Under, which resulted in a botched search iirc

[slim rampart]

Yeah, but do you casually deport people THAT strong to a nation you KNOW is struggling with infection and zombie hordes just...because?

Chances are those deportees go on to be far stronger, and they presently HAVE. now "Ragni Soldiers" are all over Wynn and taking on Raids in massive groups together, and they're now making ties to the Silverbull Company...!

[raw badge]

But after Amadel's death, what would happen next, or what would've happened? There were a few people who had a part to play in, but I'm not sure what the heck they would've done

[slim rampart]

They've gotten completely out of control, if you look at it from a monarch's perspective

[raw badge]

Yeah

I think maybe we were deported to Wynn, or even exiled, since Wynn has been in a war against corruption, and with Bob going MIA, there's no doubt this war had a lot of bloodshed

[slim rampart]

And how much of the Corruption and Infection and Silent Expanse have they already conquered at this point? They're technically morally-grey heroes, demigods, every one of them

The saving grace would HAVE to be further brainwashing, magic traps, and manipulation. Any brute strength problem you present them with, short of disastrous terrain, won't stop them, and even then they'll find a way through.

[raw badge]

Especially since we first see Bak'al in person in Realm of Light 5, which is essentially all the way in Gavel, but Lari having to go after Bak'al was... something

[digital swan]

yeah
pretty sure britain got really good at it

[raw badge]

Maybe we weren't meant to be heroes?

[slim rampart]

How much danger can we actually put Fruma and the entire world in, at the rate we're going?

[raw badge]

Maybe we were meant to be on our own accord? First, there was saving the Orphion from the parasite, as well as preventing The Colossus from expanding the Sky Islands and whatnot

[slim rampart]

At this point it's too late to stop that, there is canonically dozens to hundreds of them running around - and the ones which canonically survive to Level 100+ aren't dying

[raw badge]

This feels like we're not Neutral Good nor Neutral Evil, we're True Neutral?

Fair

[slim rampart]

True Neutral would explain a lot tbf

[raw badge]

I dunno what the Nameless Anomaly could bring to this

But of course, the main catalyst for the corruption was thanks to the previous Elders of Aldorei who got cocky and destroyed the thing that protected them from doom

But I suppose there's also the Twains, with Theorick being responsible for freezing Nesaak and the surrounding area to try to mitigate the corruption, but did that somehow work?

Also, with Annihilation - is that meant to be something to foreshadow the future of Wynncraft?

It could have just been a well, filler feature but seeing as it has a chance of giving a cache with a guaranteed chance of getting one of five exclusive and no doubt expensibe mythics, its kinda decent

But one time I had a tremendous amount of lag, with having over 100k ping!

Good thing I survived and the thing was successful, but my good lord

[slim rampart]

Wow...

[regal spire]

Annie’s just a big demon. It’s called annihilation because it has the power to destroy the entire province, if it escapes.
However, what kind of big demon, and the role it had before the realm of war existed is beyond us

[slim rampart]

Y'know, Wynncraft Quest characters have a tendency to...suck, outside their jobs and during their jobs.

I mean Lari's a good example from the 2 RoL chapters I've played

[raw badge]

Lari was mostly a pacifist

[slim rampart]

Girl's a kind pacifist to a foe that just...can't be reasoned with

[raw badge]

She wanted to avoid violence in the best way possible, which was daft

I mean, if she didn't try to reason with the parasite, Dullahan wouldn't have been executed!

But with what happened after RoL 5 is... unknown

Whether she died or not is determinant, but its likely

[slim rampart]

Annie reminds me a bit of Galacta Knight from Kirby lore. Perhaps they have similar traits?

For reference;

• Galacta Knight is one of four Aeon Heroes who once saved the universe from destruction
• He keeps being sealed away and coming back when someone wants to fight him
• IF he ever won against his summoners, he'd destroy an untold amount of planets in a rampage

Maybe Annie shares a similar role to someone, just as a more neutral/evil war-scale weapon of mass destruction?

From what you've said of Annihilation, that's what I'm thinking, anyway

Someone - or some group with a setup strong enough to reasonably command and use that thing....

[slim rampart]

Some people can't be reasoned with, we see it all the time in media.

A shame she didn't

And some random Ragni Soldier ended up being more fitting despite...years, of conflict.

Actually I just realized something about that second test.

The test wasn't about whether you chose the right thing.

It's that you chose at all

Because Lari couldn't in her entire life, unless someone forced her hand.

[regal spire]

I don’t think it’s like that at all, actually. It’s just a huge demon, and tries to breach the portal every so often, which needs to be beaten back

[slim rampart]

Reason could not fix the scenario in that test, only action

[regal spire]

There’s no sentience or intent behind it beyond an instinctual need to cause destruction

[slim rampart]

I guess the question is who made that thing strong enough to need all of that, only to struggle to contain it themselves to the point of calling Raids upon it or dying themselves

[slim rampart]

Hm, not even emotion?

That's fascinating

[regal spire]

As of now, it’s not contained. It’s just a portal to the realm of war, which was a battleground for the last time Orphion and Dern Beast fought

[slim rampart]

It sounds more like a complicated, machine-coded spell gone wrong than a demon, then

[regal spire]

That portal is there like how a tree grew somewhere

It’s a part of the world

[slim rampart]

huh.

[slim rampart]

The realm of war...is that associated with the PvP or Guild Battle modes?

Or the Corrupted Dungeons' realm?

I'm not in the know about that all.

[regal spire]

It was originally the PVP arena, but no, it doesn’t have any sort of association with that stuff

[slim rampart]

I see

[regal spire]

Forgery is a what if scenario, basically what would happen if there were no one to fight the corruption

[slim rampart]

Ohhhhh

That's pretty cool

wish somewhere in the Forgery told me about that

[regal spire]

Might be a chance forgery gets removed, tbh. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was reworked to get away from the corrupted dungeon concepts.

[slim rampart]

aw....But I just unlocked the thing!

[regal spire]

I think it does, but in an item lore or something

[slim rampart]

And I like playing the Corrupted Dungeons

[slim rampart]

Item lore seems like a shaky way to present the lore...

Like, you can definitely expand upon lore with it

[regal spire]

CT says it’s that, too, but it’s in game notice is on item lore and maybe the SD associated with it

[slim rampart]

But why not have the bare level info available when you reach an area?

[regal spire]

Don’t know, likely because it was made a while ago, and probably won’t stay

[slim rampart]

I don't have any in-game source for reading up on this other than the quests themselves, which aren't replayable and there's a lot of them

Lots of one-off stories which I appreciate for shaping our own stories

[regal spire]

Wiki has some info, but you can get some info in here, every so often

[slim rampart]

but also means I get lost easily unless people can tell me this kinda thing

[slim rampart]

I mean all it took to spice up an earlygame quest was a bit of improvising and imagination

My party's Shaman told the Arcanist Mage to respect the dead a bit more, so he helped someone with a family thing...

Except he got drunk and stumbled through the twisting catacombs of Nemract while flaming and bombing every part of it that got up to attack him

By the time he made it to the end that Mage was sober, frustrated, and had an undying skeleton to kill repeatedly right in front of him

[slim rampart]

It's a very fun story I imagined can be implied by quests and/or just, made up as you go on them

[slim rampart]

Wiki also has a lot of spoilers, but I feel like if I'm going to get the whole picture anyways I'm...kinda going to be spoiled on things anyway

I think the current lore could be handled a little better as "quests are how you explore the backstory, Raids and Dungeons and Boss Altars are where we are right now"

which, they already do I'm pretty sure.

It should just be emphasized more in main-story checkups or the passive environment storytelling, that things are already happening, you're just late to the party as a player character

[quartz mist]

Aaaactually, attacking urelix in that cutscene fails it and forces you to try again.

It isn't "making any choice" it is "making the choice orphion wants"

[slim rampart]

Oh, it is?

I was running Shaman and just Main Attacked both of them at once

[quartz mist]

you probably hit the mayor first by a tick or two

but yeah. what you are meant to do is kill the mayor there- only then will you pass

[digital swan]

isn't it rather making the choice that results in the most good for the greatest amount of people
while lari chose doing what is normally morally right but in contexts where it performs poorly

in other words
nobody likes Immanuel Kant

[slim rampart]

oh right, that too

[regal spire]

I don’t think it’s explicitly stated Lari was given the exact same scenario as us, in RoL 2, but a test of similar value

In all honesty, we dont know what her test was like, but if it was at all close to what ours was like, she likely didn’t do anything and left

[digital swan]

exactly

[dim plover]

Wish the lesson was a bit more laid out tbh

I don’t think a lot of people understood it

[quartz mist]

tbh i kinda dont like The Choice to begin with

i think there's just better ways to illustrate the point it's trying to make, both in impact and in clarity

[hybrid gazelle]

Everyone get a puppy or infinite direhea

[regal spire]

Im picking infinite diarrhea

And only using it during work hours!

[warm adder]

that doesnt feel good

[hybrid gazelle]

ROL on its way to showing off gray morality by continuing to bash on its character for some reason than to actaully showing actual gray morality solution

I feel like if your gray morality solution is something that collectively can agree it
it probablyl ike the most shallow way to implement it into your story cause it like
Do you want your limb to get cut off or your head to get cut off

like yeah ofc no fucking shit, too much pacifism is bad but now can we move on

it's sad because I Think gavel could offer much more in depth and complex story than what current ROL offer

because the thing is that

taking advantage o the location we been through

Wynn province is fairly brutal place with simple resolution that many people come to use

which is killing everything that pose a danger

the undead there are brutal and pretty much a husk, killing them has no moral consequence and universally accepted as good thing

however different story when it come to Gavel province

often the creatures you encoutner in gavel are just animals living in their ecosystem

this is good idea to bring up Lari's morality on the table

that indeed these pacfiism is an option and should be done when dealing with these creatures that simply living in their eco system

the stlry should show that it can work

and this lead to the Parasite and decay as a whole is an outliner

because just like corruption, they are alien to the world with singular purpose and have no place in this world

they are not really living like animals

[warm adder]

Image
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cmon

[hybrid gazelle]

what

[neat oriole]

Imag

[heavy sun]

Is it just me or does the whole "dern beast is the big bad boss of wynncraft" seem a little predictable and lame.

I think the devs are trying to lure us into a false conclusion of how the story is going to go

Imo it makes more sense for the corruption/realm of war to be the place of wynncraft's finale

like it has a lot of thematic potential, even if it is a little cliche

you know

"The real villain is the conflict itself", where the war between light and dark (corruption) is the true antagonist

Besides, the stroy will go full circle back to Wynn – the start of the player's journey.

I don't really know how it will go from a gameplay perspective, though I theorise Bak'al will play more of a threat than we previously thought, perhaps even playing the role of the corruption deity

similar to how Orphion is the light deity and Dern beast is the dark deity

idk just something to think about

[dim plover]

Corruption Beast

[full bough]

the rea villian is the credit card 🤯

[hybrid gazelle]

While I understand, the current evidence rn js just Dern beast being big bad

Mostly because

We literally have no other Villian being build ik and Bak’al barely have one as well

So as of right now at this very moment

We kinda just one candidate and that it

[slender copper]

The true villain was capitalism in Wynncraft lol.

[heavy sun]

Lari is wynncraft final boss

[hybrid gazelle]

Ok

[regal spire]

Dern beast is, technically, the antagonist of the war of realms. It’s actively swaying the battle in its favor, and using a myriad of underhanded, though strategic tactics to win over the planes of influence, and spread itself everywhere. And, as shown by SE, darkness isn’t really an influence that supplements human—or any known species—potential. Corruption, however, is the true conflict itself, and can only be evil. It only destroys, both light and dark (technically) and spreads through said destruction. Defeating that is likely the end goal, but balancing the two beasts highly outweighs that conflict for this antagonist

[hybrid gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

tbh at this point I just okay with one villain and stick with it with proper build up

Fruma likely gonna give wynncraft an actual villain and not obstacle that last for like 1-2 quets

Dern Beaset despite being main villain kinda just poorly build up because of other story being kinda bad

Parasite kinda bland of a villain

The Eye got fuck over by the dungeon

so it kinda hard to get execited for Dern Beast beside the obvious

like why should we be excite for Dern Beast?
Because it's big bad because the game tell us that
there literally no other build up

well there is but it not really good one

if only wynncraft stop with vague lore posting and make shit like the Equinox happen because of Dern Beast lying to the elf or some shit then yeah we could cooking with something

but as of rn not that much

Bak'al barely get anything

[dim plover]

Would be cool to have a twist where once we defeat Dern Beast it turns out that the weakened Darkness means that there’s now an imbalance of Light

(Orphion’s the antagonist of the story now)

[hybrid gazelle]

like technically, wyncraft have whole cast of villain

but it just none of them are barely memeorable or noteworthy

[dim plover]

He’s mad with power and wants revenge from Dern Beast trying to kill him

[hybrid gazelle]

ok

general takan got something going on but too bad he is meant to be minor villain so he barely have screentime but the motivation is there is pretty good for what he is

also the idea of Light and Dark being morally equal just poorly though out at best

there almsot no attempt of making Light the villain or did something that could consider as equal to Dern

ike sure there Obseliks but like

you fucking lying if being obelisk is worse alternative to literally living in almost unhabitable ecosystem

and consider how Orphion for some reason take extra care into these random ass group of miners than his own choosen one

it kinda just eh

literaly so far in the narrative nothing tell Orphion would be against us or anything
Like even then he just incompetent asshole that literally self sabotage himself anyway

so like even if he become villain it probably barely a threat

literal toddler with knife probably possess more danger than Orphion

[heavy sun]

What I don't understand is, you end Level 103 directly in front of the enterance to Dern. Then, suddenly, over the course of levels 105 - 120 you're gonna be spending your time in Fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

it realy depend where narrative set up

but yeah currently it just

[heavy sun]

Is the player just gonna look into the portal and think "Oh yep. Right here, right now, I have the chance to destroy the Beast of Darkness, but I think I'll inexplicably spend my time over in my home province"

[hybrid gazelle]

does not really make that much sense

[heavy sun]

hmm

[hybrid gazelle]

but due to the lack of information

but as of right, the dern portal been block off

so ehhhh IDK where they gonna go with the game story

wynncraft have not been good at story telling until relatively recent

[heavy sun]

yea

didn't sohso go to fruma to study the green meteor?

maybe the green meteor will be vital to enter Dern

I really think the meteors must have some significant role to play in the story

[hybrid gazelle]

no I dont think but then again I forgot most of like

wynnex lore

and also wynnex is really outdated

so as of rn

just dont consider it

[heavy sun]

true

[hybrid gazelle]

meteors being important part of wynncraft story sound like fucking nightmare actually

I hope not

I really hope not

[heavy sun]

Well they are certainly building up meteors more than the dern beast

[hybrid gazelle]

no it just

they just product of their time

they just mcguffin that only important because the story tell you so

there barely anything about them beisde OOO THEY GIVE YOU POWER

it bland and lame

and not even mention why does green cyrstal spcifically help you escape dern

like fuck even the weird colorful crystal discovery in SE

that more like a fillerl

like legit

that fucking filler and essentailly mean nothing

like there problaby important detial for wynnex but like god

I just do not fucking like meteor lore

[heavy sun]

you appear to not like any of wynncraft's lore by the sound of it

[hybrid gazelle]

it like the generic color powerful stone that make you powerful but we wont tell you how and why

I wrote entire document dedicate to expanding wynncraft lore

take that as what you will

[heavy sun]

I see that as a complete contradicition to my statement

you have proved me wrong

[hybrid gazelle]

it more so of frustation of how wynncraft story being written

therei s good stuff in there

decent

like breaking point

it just there little thing that just kinda downplay the story

but then again the story written by volunteers so it is what it is

[digital swan]

so basically the dern beast is actually doing shit to win instead of playing defensive
There needs to be an option in the realm of dern to switch sides bro fuck orphion

the darkness clearly better

[hybrid gazelle]

I pretty sure the point of the entire story that you need to balance dark and light and not have one side win

but hey what do I know

[digital swan]

true if I gave a shit about the people in the cities I would do that but like who does

paint it all Silent Expanse.

[hybrid gazelle]

ok

[digital swan]

sorry give me a second to compose myself

om

ok

what were you saying

[hybrid gazelle]

nah nothing

[digital swan]

so hear me out if we helped the dern beast do ya think he would be willing to give us a fiefdom

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah sure

[slim belfry]

can he give me a pat on the head

[worn garden]

whats wynnex

oh wynn excav

[worn garden]

is it readbale

[worn garden]

isnt the eye the dern beasts eye

[dim plover]

I wonder how many eyes the Dern Beast has

[worn garden]

idk why i only thought it could have 2

lowkey i never liked lari but we need like closure

like wat happened ifykwim

[regal spire]

What if the Dern beast doesn’t actually take a form, like orphion does, and prefers to shape pieces of itself into whatever it needs. Like, it’s some amorphous black blob of darkness, but it forms claws/hands when it needs to grab, or a ton of eyes if it needs to see

[dim plover]

Boring design :(

[regal spire]

I’d absolutely love for it to portray itself with hostility, though controlled, to someone like Ba’kal, but unassuming and potentially understanding, but still capable of damage with us

[regal spire]

In all honesty, darkness doesn’t really have potential for a static design. Light makes way more sense, because it’s always giving off some kind of visible color, sphere, beam, whatever. It’s actually a tangible concept (kinda).
Darkness is just an absence of light, and the shapes we see in it are purely due to the bits of light present around it, and the objects within. It wiggles and warps whatever around it into an indistinguishable blob, and can potentially have way more than one design. Why shouldn’t it be an ever changing entity?

It doesn’t mean it can’t have a design, but I’d want it to be almost like an angler, where pieces of itself constantly change to fit what it needs, but it dangles off itself as some kind of lure, obscuring the real thing. An unassuming design for an ambush, or a giant monster with fangs, claws, and eyes when it wants to make a point to intimidate. Stuff like that, but all offshoots of this ever present blob of shifting darkness

[dim plover]

Ok but for the sake of media aesthetic we do need cool-looking designs

[worn garden]

bak-al is the goat

[dim plover]

Like sometimes appearance overtakes logic

[regal spire]

Well, another way to take it: have the cool design change a lot, and connect to the surrounding darkness that will follow it

[dim plover]

“This creature is actually like a 4-dimensional entity so he wouldn’t actually cast a shadow”

Ok yeah but like that’ll look garbage visually on screen or in a picture from the viewer’s perspective

[regal spire]

I still have lil concepts in my head where you’re just completely surrounded by black, and little white eyes just open all around you, then slowly morph into each other, and present this almost pleasant, simple animal in front of you

[dim plover]

(My own experience)

[dim plover]

That’s cool I guess

It’s basically what Orphion is rn

[regal spire]

Basically, but Orphion is one design. He doesn’t change his fur or color, or antlers and what not. I’d almost want Dern Beast to take one form for its initial encounter, then slowly kinda grab and turn itself inside out and pull out more and more horrifying iterations of a similar design.

A really simple rendition of this idea is something like Chara, where she is a normal child design, but morphs more and more, until she’s unrecognizable, and the world around you starts to cave into you

Dern, to me, should feel as hostile as possible. I’d want some kind of initial quest that attempts to show what would happen if you go into the realm of darkness, right now, without some kind of protection. Dern beast could blacken the realm and bring itself straight to us—or the example in this case—and basically try to suffocate us with as much darkness as possible.

The Eye gets an opportunity to kind of do exactly that (in Fantastic Voyage), and it’s super imposing. You feel like you’re completely at the whim of this thing, and can’t do anything about it, until some miracle teleportation saves us.

[heavy sun]

Maybe this "initial quest" you speak of could be done just after A Hunter's Calling at level 104, which will then incentivise the player to go to Fruma and prepare

It might provide a good explanation for why the game suddenly skips from the whole silent expanse thing to the fruma thing between level 105 - 120

[regal spire]

I think it’s what AHC should’ve just been, in all honesty

AHC is a fine concept, but I don’t think it fits as an end of region quest, now that Fruma is proceeding it

[heavy sun]

yea you make a good point

[regal spire]

It doesn’t lead anywhere, and kinda feels like it’s own thing, rather than a way to transition the player into the next area

[heavy sun]

I always felt A Hunter's Calling was a penultimate challenge, reminding you of your entire adventure thusfar, as you approach your journey's end

But now with fruma that sort of negates the point of the quest

[regal spire]

It is that, but the end of our journey isn’t even there anymore

No need for it, now, when AJF/EO serve that concept pretty well, considering there’s more after it

[hybrid gazelle]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xEVC2cMm4xJ4npoKisJDtu2AdMjR7ihy7yID8gkhNjs/edit?usp=sharing

[digital swan]

what about buffing AHC to level 119 as the penultimate challenge before dern itself, then adding a new level 104 quest that is required for AHC where ??? gives you a glimpse of dern itself and then tells you to come back when you are ready for its "test" (AHC)

[dim plover]

AHC always felt like a To Be Continued for me

To serve as the final quest before more content comes out

[digital swan]

you say this like every other region has end of region quests

like tbh what regions have end of region quests

Canyon... Molten Heights... Corkus... Aldorei... Realm of Light... where else

[regal spire]

They don’t really need it, because most have dungeons that fill that role much better, or raids

However, stuff like Wynn Excavation offer a conclusion to the Wynn province, as a whole

[digital swan]

you realize of those 5, 3 of them are dungeons/raids

[digital swan]

ehhhhhhh Wynn Excavation feels like a different storyline I think the conclusion to the Wynn province will be when we can go to Realm of War

[regal spire]

You don’t really need to separate it in general, since the provinces themselves are the regions. And, areas with significantly more story significance get that intended conclusion. For Wynn, though, it doesn’t really need it as much, because you get stuff like UC ending the Nemract line, or CIP ending the emerald trail/bits of Wynn plains, or IB ending the Nesaak portion, etc

EO doesn’t exactly end anywhere, because it was a gate, essentially. The end of the line should’ve been the portal you’re thrown at, which AHC does try to conclude. I’d just like something a bit less final, and more of a continued development into what we will see in Dern, or what we need to see in Dern to further incentive us to rally the provinces together and fight

[digital swan]

Wynn Excavation is I think closer connected to the Eldritch/Cosmic/Meteors/Crystal Shards storyline that goes from WynnExcavation to Purple & Blue to the Gerts to ??? and then to the Silent Expanse

[regal spire]

Wynn excavation is literally the end of exploring the Wynn province, though. It’s the last quest that isn’t related to SE, which is basically considered its own thing. It also alludes to transferring us to gavel—despite us already being there—and pushes us away from the province.

I think both the realm of Dern and realm of war are more ends of the entire game, not a region

[digital swan]

It is kinda connected to SE aren't the Crystals from Mining Cessation (I think?) implied to be the same crystals as the crystals in WynnExcavation

or are those separate crystal shards

I always thought that was the implication

[regal spire]

I think they’re the same, but it’s not exactly clear, because Wynn Excavation is kinda old and unkempt, which means it’s lore is less thought out and harder to connect properly

I’d assume, yes, they’re the same

I mean, they still have that bit of dialogue that was basically alluding to the gavel update, which should’ve been changed more than it was

[digital swan]

Like the way I've always seen it is that
you get introduced to this idea of cosmic power in WynnExcavation and right then you know nothing then you meet the meteors in Gavel and see the GavelExcavation secret discovery and ??? and so you know that these crystals and meteors are connected somehow and they're both powerful cosmic objects but you still don't know much about their origin until you reach the silent expanse and see Mining Cessation and The Final Moments and then it's supposed to click that the meteors bombarding Gavel and the crystal-affected WynnExcavation making their way into the leadership of Wynn are not just a benign cosmic phenomenon that just happens to be too powerful for mortals but rather the Dern Beast setting his eyes on Gavel and Wynn

[regal spire]

I can’t confirm how right this is, because my meteor lore is super foggy, but this seems about right

I don’t think the Dern beast has anything to do with the meteors we’re familiar with, though

[digital swan]

I mean I think of like Temple of the Legends + Reincarnation as the end of Wynn province and WynnExcavation as the introduction to the real main storyline that takes you to Silent Expanse indirectly

[regal spire]

You’d think they would be, but Reincarnation is a really weird one, because it’s not exactly clear if the Bob we’re seeing in that is the actual one, or a Nilrem fake Bob

So, the quest kinda ends up being a sort of separate thing, similar to LI or a boss altar

ToL is a really nice conclusion to the jungle, though, I think

[digital swan]

I think Wynn overall tbh it's the quest that goes second deepest into Corruption Roots (after A Journey Beyond, of course), you have to kill one of the big name corrupteds, &c

I think that all the corrupteds more powerful than CoW are gonna be in Realm of War section like finishing off Annihilation and cornering Bakal is definitely Realm of War stuff

[worn garden]

whats realm of war

[digital swan]

unless you argue that whatever ends the Realm of War storyline ends the Wynn province which is fair, that is the end of the war that's been shredding Wynn for the last 1000 years

[digital swan]

inside corruption portal

[digital swan]

idk can you really consider Reincarnation a prequel to Fantastic Voyage

[regal spire]

I don’t even think you could consider it an anything. It genuinely feels like a boss altar

[digital swan]

TRUE

[regal spire]

You get the same conclusion out of it, which was basically given to you straight in the Nilrem letters

[worn garden]

didnt they remove realm of war

[regal spire]

So, you don’t develop anything new, and don’t really learn anything more from it. It’s just an optional boss

[worn garden]

or like the pvp place

[regal spire]

Just the PVP

They replaced it with a giant super boss

[worn garden]

i miss the pvp place

[digital swan]

yeah honestly Fantastic Voyage > Reincarnation as Wynn final quest
Fantastic Voyage is kinda the transfer between searching for the hero of Wynn to seeing Dern

even tho its in Gavel/Ocean it's more of a Bob quest

[digital swan]

also @regal spire what did you think of this idea

[digital swan]

Oh wait checked the thing and it seems like he is since Something put the magic on the Gavel meteors so I think they're both Dern-sent

Sohso prob gonna explain some meteor stuff to us in Fruma if he survives getting Fruma'd and once he gets us ready we can finally go to Realm of Dern

yes I know I'm being over optimistic and Fruma will never release

[regal spire]

There’s a not zero percent chance that Mehme’s Lab N will be reworked, and this info will end up being wrong :/

I hope I’m wrong, because I was excited to see the potential of this secret finally come to fruition in Fruma

[digital swan]

yknow why doesn't someone make a semi-official lore document with all this stuff and get someone to pin it to this channel

like what Trashie's doing but without the "re" part

[regal spire]

Because we tired and shit

There is, though, an entire document detailing all the noticeable timeline shifts and events you need to know

[digital swan]

oh where

do send

[regal spire]

I’d like to know, too, because I’ve forgotten lmao

It was sent here a while ago

[digital swan]

I mean besides just purely events it would be nice to have like commentary that ties em together

so maybe a new lore document is needed

[regal spire]

That would be nice

[hybrid gazelle]

expanding on golem lore

[worn garden]

hearts of iron is such a goated quest unrrlated

[hybrid gazelle]

Personally dislike it but probably good that some find it enjoyable

[worn garden]

i think its just a good concept

like they turn the people into golems

[hybrid gazelle]

it had the good concept but they poorly explain and sometime the edginess just feel so overdone it's silly

[worn garden]

i hate the realm of light morality thing

[hybrid gazelle]

The reason I make this much golem pattern is to justify some existeng part of golem lore

like personally owned golem

[bold geode]

I will never forgive them for adding Lari

[worn garden]

i dont like lari either

but i lowkey want closure

for the last realm of light quest

like i wanna see lari again

but i dont like her character

but its just a cliffhanger

[ember coyote]

tbh guys

canary calls is prob my favorite quest

very good ambience

also has cool secret lore snippets

[tropic tree]

hey whats that bird island some random selchar citizen mentions

[tropic tree]

it is a great one (ignoring the minecarts)

[ember coyote]

ye theres this one jump in the minecarts that absolutely sucked

but besides that w quest

[tropic tree]

i loved the ambiance

[ember coyote]

ye same

[tropic tree]

it reminded me of the weird creepy feeling some sections of wynn had when i was a kid (like 12-13)

[ember coyote]

but what about petting orphion

[slender copper]

On this topic, before I progressed from level 30, my favorite quest was The Dark Decent... now I don't have a favorite quest (there are so many good ones).

[ember coyote]

hmm that one was p good

i absolutely hate any quests involving maro peaks tho

i utterly despise the temple of legends one

it feels like theres just so much unnessecary clutter in that quest

like holy shi just give me the helmet and let me into the temple

[slender copper]

Yeah having to deal with mobs that push you off and wearing a quest helmet isn't that great-

[tropic tree]

the joys of mage <3

[ember coyote]

ye

tbh I kinda liked the realm of light quests mostly just cus they gave good loot

photon, double vision, and that one chestplate were all p good

[slender copper]

I like it because of the lore funnily enough, wasn't too big on the loot... never really wore it.

[dim plover]

Can we assume that the player chronologically does all content in level order

[ember coyote]

ye true the lore was pretty good

[north prawn]

is dernic the incorporation of eldritch horror? got no idea why it exists

[dim plover]

Wdym

[tropic tree]

yes

[ember coyote]

i think?

[tropic tree]

think so

it does a good job i feel

[ember coyote]

the silent expanse is pretty much wynncraft's eldritch landscape/horror

[tropic tree]

because you omve from like

sky islands and corkus at those supe rhigh levels

[north prawn]

to a point but yk just cant look it truly since its goofy minecraft

[tropic tree]

go take this quest and now there's eyeball trees

[ember coyote]

ye true one of the limitations of minecraft

[dim plover]

I refuse to accept that just because the medium is Minecraft doesn’t mean we are limited to making goofy things in it

[tropic tree]

well the horror is that this is the effect of the dernic realm touching this section of the realm

[ember coyote]

but i think wynncraft does a p good job with custom models

[dim plover]

This game gives us a lot more leeway than one first assumes and I have seen it

[ember coyote]

oh yea guys what exactly relates the nameless annomaly with the void and dern

i never got that

[dim plover]

You can make some genuinely un-Minecrafty stuff in here

[tropic tree]

the text underneath it says "it's a really big voidhole"

essentially

[dim plover]

TNA’s a Dern creature

It can create Void Holes

[ember coyote]

so can it literally just create openings into the void

[tropic tree]

yeah have you seen the models?

[ember coyote]

like the colossus's long lost twin or smth

[tropic tree]

this is to reverseuniverse

[dim plover]

It doesn’t do that what

Ok I mean technically it does

But like, as a side effect

Void Holes aren’t supposed to be portals

[hybrid gazelle]

The Nameful Anaomly

[ember coyote]

greg

[north prawn]

it doesn't really fills me up with terror or anything cause gameplay just forces me to ignore what im actually looking at.

[ember coyote]

ok, so what is tna's like objective

what is it doing that is accidentally making openings into the void aka void holes

[dim plover]

Probably steal bits of reality to give to Dern to take over idk

Dern’s infecting land right

[tropic tree]

i guess

[dim plover]

TNA’s helping in a sense

[silver gale]

why does every raid have a backstory to the boss, but tna is like "hey you have access to eo you can do this raid ig"

[ember coyote]

Ig

[ember coyote]

Idk

[dim plover]

Void Holes are basically just holes in reality

It’s like, if reality is a ball of clay TNA is basically stealing bits of the clay

But like reality doesn’t really know what to do when it has non-reality inside of it so it kinda just twists the parts together and you get accidental wormholes

[ember coyote]

K got it

Thx

[north prawn]

i just wanna learn more about horror behind dernic realm or whatever larger creatures exist there, we might meet.

[dim plover]

Maybe we’ll get that in Dern

[ember coyote]

Hopefully dern himself idk

[dim plover]

Well, what do we know comes from Dern

[dim plover]

himself
Do we know their gender

[tropic tree]

i personally cannnot relate i think silent expanse is the only part i want to see

[ember coyote]

Ok then uhhh itself

[dim plover]

I like cosmic horror tbh it’s cool sometimes

Cool aesthetic

[tropic tree]

because if i see whatever is in dern then that will be more spooky than silent expanse, and then like silent expanse loses its unique charm

[ember coyote]

Ye same

[dim plover]

So do you just want Dern to never be accessible or smth

[tropic tree]

kinda yeah

[north prawn]

i just see silent expanse as an introduction to dern.

[tropic tree]

can you go to the realm of war

[north prawn]

who knows maybe orphion will give us more main character energy

[tropic tree]

ba'kal questlines would be cool

i assume they'd both oppose dern

wait who's the god of dark

[slim belfry]

beast of darkness

no known name for it

[tropic tree]

when is it mentioned in game

[dim plover]

Quick question

[slim belfry]

from the top of my head the ruined olmic city signs and several secret discovery cutscenes

[dim plover]

Why does the Dern Beast’s eye like, look like that

When Dern Beast tears its own eye out it just looks like an eye

And then when we fight it in EO it’s like

Grown to this thing

[tropic tree]

hm.

[north prawn]

its already shown what it looks like?

[warm flicker]

from what i remember from SE stuff, the Eye can morph and change its own physical appearance, changing over time

[dim plover]

We see Dern Beast tear its eye out in the SE Ult Discovery

[north prawn]

damn maybe ill just look it up

[slim belfry]

only a small part of it though

[dim plover]

Yeah we only see hands

That’s it

[warm flicker]

so in the cutscene it was just an eye, but over time it grew tentacles and stuff

that, or the cutscene did not change to include the new model of the Eye lol

[slim belfry]

the cutscene was before current eye yeah

[north prawn]

oh i cant even tell what im looking at 💀

[slim belfry]

me witnessing horrors beyond my comprehension (I don't get it)

[north prawn]

is that the eye we fight

[warm flicker]

the very same

[north prawn]

damn hes big

[warm flicker]

he worked out

[north prawn]

will be fun fighting a titan

in like 3 decades

[slim belfry]

eye muscles do a lot of work so yeah gotta stay fit

[hybrid gazelle]

Suddenly urge to finally draw redesign of Amadel

[regal spire]

Surprised no one has mentioned this weird throne room the Dernic Beast is in

I used to think it was a part of EO, when 1.19 released, but with the introduction of NoL, it seems both beasts just really like impressive, gothic architecture

[slim belfry]

I immediately thought "oh nexus of dark"

[dim plover]

It almost looks Nether-y when I first saw it

A lot of nether blocks

[regal spire]

Guess a predominant color palette of Dern will be red, black, and purple

[dim plover]

Also adding purple magic with it reminds me of nether portal

[dim plover]

Then what will be Realm of War lol

[regal spire]

Ig just red lmao

[dim plover]

Are you sure they’re only going to be using red

[regal spire]

Oh, no, I bet they’ll be varying different shades of red and orange, maybe some brown and black

There might end up being a lot of grey, too

Probably just black, red, and orange though

[hybrid gazelle]

this is my sketch on rework Amadel

not finalize yet but if I ever do wynnex rework, Amadel final form will be something like this

[dim plover]

Oh damn

Brain creature

I like the brain nerves or whatever they’re called

It looks like a mutated human circulatory system

[hybrid gazelle]

That amadel's nervous system

the creature overtake his nervous system and use it as its form

[slim belfry]

where did the creature come from

is it a lifeform made by the crystals

[hybrid gazelle]

In this take there is no crystal

It been replace by olmic artifact that responsible of them escaping Dern

It’s a magical torch that able to tear open reality

Though in the process of escape l, the artifact would be inflicted by Dern and become corrupted by its influence

So the olms shatter the artifact and scatter in through time and space

Whcih lead to its fragment being on different location

When Amadel manage to assemble them all, the artifact reveal it true form and infect him

[hushed comet]

This Thanksgiving... Im Thankful for Seaskipper Captain.

[limber swan]

ik you have me blocked so you wont see this message but whats wrong with the crystals

[solid fable]

@hybrid gazelle answer for my don

[hybrid gazelle]

huh

oh did not see that

[hybrid gazelle]

like do you want to know or what

[solid fable]

Yeah what's wrong with the crystals

ergo do you think it's like a weak plot device so you wrote it off

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah it is weak plot device that only exist due to its time

there is no like narrative important

it'sl iterally just meaningless mcguffin that give you power because
it give you power

also it just like

wow these crystal must be destory

and the Ragni king just throw shard of it into lava that he for some reason has in his castle

and like

okay but there like giant fucking crystals

like you can probably make a house out of these things

so yeah the crystals are dumb

stupid

and dumb

and stupid

and yeah that it

[solid fable]

ahh icic

[hybrid gazelle]

actually there probably more but I forgo

but overall the replacement I came up for the crystals just feel like it has more narrative important and world building

than like

powerful crystals

Also there’s just more open for far more interesting interaction

Compare to colorful kidney stone

Like for example each fragment can have its one mark on history consider they were sent back across time and space

Like maybe one fragment impact a history of sand kingdom

Being one of magical artifact that the royalty kept

Maybe one of them thst land near Twain mansion once habe then study it before lock into deep vault yhat wynnex try to exvacuate

Also it just make it feel like yoh collecting something to build up for larger whole

[quartz mist]

relevant:

[exotic bough]

Obviously not a pure circulatory system. Instead, it has a brain and kidneys as well. Get you’re anatomy right.

[regal spire]

“I'm Norm. You want to hear about mental ailments?
Ever since becoming a big brain, people keep asking me about 'em. I guess I just look the part.
I don't know anything about 'em, I just look it up on my phone.”

[digital swan]

what will Mining Cessation have then

the meteors?

[hybrid gazelle]

It will simply not exist

Not big deal befause from what I heard from a CT, that discovery was meaningless anyway

[worn garden]

it would be fire if

bak-al corrupted lari

like she came back but as like corrupted version

like with bak-al or something

but dont make it so its reversible

idk make her a boss fight or sum

[hybrid gazelle]

But being corrupted mean you dead

[worn garden]

idk not dead

like bak al didnt kill her

but turned her

[hybrid gazelle]

They are dead

[worn garden]

how do yk

[hybrid gazelle]

Corrupted mean dead because it’s reanimation

[worn garden]

is bak-al dead

[hybrid gazelle]

Not restoration or revival

[worn garden]

ok so dead then

[hybrid gazelle]

Bak’al is unique shit

We don’t know yet

[worn garden]

when will the player fight bak-al

[hybrid gazelle]

That why we can’t really classify but for the sake of simplicity corrupted mean you are pretty much dead as you being reanimated by influence of corruption

[worn garden]

yes

[hybrid gazelle]

Bak’al is special because he able forhave his individuality

As of rn we don’t know what condition or what he is

Due to little info we have

[worn garden]

hes the goat

[hybrid gazelle]

But consider observing his skin

[worn garden]

best villain

[hybrid gazelle]

The fact that otjer corrupted undead either have green ish skin or full on skeleton

Imply their body capable of rotting

Bak’al still have his skin intact implying that he is alive

He also a bit weird case because he is not corrupted by normal mean

He step into the portal and come out like that

The process still unknown

It similar to Theorick where they not extactly corrupted as they are alive

Yet still being half way being jnlfuence by it

actually think about it again

I don’t think we ever seen Bak’al directly corrupt anything

He capable of creating corruption spike but consider he did see doing thst in rol

Kinda suggest that in order to use his power, corruption must be present in the first place

Implying that he incapable of generating corruption on his own

And only be able to weave it like the undead

Oh yeah no he literally just use fire and that it

Yeah no he is fucking bum jfc

They better give him more move slot cause jfc this is sad

[dim plover]

I wish the game actually shows why Bak’al isn’t as weak as he constantly appears to be

Not gonna lie every appearance he looks so one-shottable

Hope they do this soon

[hybrid gazelle]

Bak’al upscale
He only beat people who has farmer as their occupation

[dim plover]

I’m still of the belief that Bak’al is absolutely a Minecraft Creeper moment

[limber swan]

ok but the wynnex crystals have a link to the 4 brothers too

cause each of them studied for wynnex

where do they fit into all of this

[hybrid gazelle]

Bak'al have more shitpost fanart of him than his relevancy

[dim plover]

Huh?

[limber swan]

yk

yahya

mehme

nohno

sohso

[dim plover]

They did?

Wait are you talking about canon or

[limber swan]

ye canon

in canon yahya nohno mehme and sohso worked for wynnex studying crystal

this is confirmed in secret discoveries and the ??? quest

its pretty much guarranteed that Sohso was studying the green crystal

[dim plover]

Oh huh

Wait can you link the wiki page

(I also don’t recall ??? ever mentioning the crystals?)

[limber swan]

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Gavel_Excavation

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/%3F%3F%3F

notice how the meteors are the same colors as the crystals

[dim plover]

I just scoured the discovery page

Am I missing something