📚lore_discussion

[upbeat harbor]

oh when did this channel appear

[pine flower]

like one day ago apparently?

[lavish flare]

oh hell yes

[winter fjord]

Any thoughts on what happened to lari after ROL 5?

[upbeat harbor]

she died?

[spring kernel]

From realm of darkness straight to the realm of light

[spring kernel]

About 16 hours ago

[smoky valve]

Oh god a lore channel

[winter fjord]

I think lari is not dead

[dense coral]

Let's hope we won't see her again 🤞

[lavish flare]

this is so real i hope so 😔

girl can't bother to kill a dernic tick because "there must be another way" and but tries to kill you out of jealousy?
always really hated lari -_-

[winter fjord]

Wow wow this hate is not deserved

[dense coral]

It is

[winter fjord]

She tried to stick to her principles and i respect that

[lavish flare]

she got dullahan killed, spread the decay, got orphion himself infected

and we had to clean up her mess

[winter fjord]

Imo the fault lies with orphion for not judging her character correctly

[dense coral]

Can we just come down to the fact that she is just annoying, not even her choices, she is 🙏

[shut hornet]

yea but she did it because she thought that she was doing what orphion wanted, by not killing the parasite

[winter fjord]

Orphion had all the power to change what happened

[hushed comet]

bro where was this even mentioned

it cant have been the quest for sure

[shut hornet]

its definitely a detail that needs more spotlight in the quests

[lavish flare]

she has her own belief about what "following the light" means, and ignores pretty much anything orphion tells her otherwise

[shut hornet]

like i will just openly admit that the quests present the story poorly

[winter fjord]

The hate for lari is undeserved because she just did what she thought was right and orphion just messed up everything

[shut hornet]

no, orphion just didnt tell her anything. the moment she was told that she was allowed to kill she dropped the pacifism

[lavish flare]

and then when we come along and take care of business, she gets jealous and whines about it being unfair and tries to murder us
like..... lol

[pine flower]

question: what would happen if we'd kill orphion

[lavish flare]

light would probably cease to exist

[hybrid gazelle]

there literally no way you blaming her for acting like a person when she literally got replace by a nobody that never even know about the light while being ghost by it for 1000 years

[dense coral]

Storyline of this game makes us genocide civilizations, this is the least worrying choice we make

[hybrid gazelle]

anyone would fucking crashout because she literally did everything she suppose to do with the information she has
the light literally give her choices and never bother to correct her

[hushed comet]

what quest is this i forgot

[pine flower]

would dark cease with it or would it take over or smth

[hybrid gazelle]

do I have to remind you that while this is going on she is A YOUNG ELF that has no choice in the matter if she got choosen or not

[hushed comet]

gameplay contrivances dont affect canon btw

[hybrid gazelle]

she been tested and never corrected so ofc she gonna think what she doing rn is what her god wanted

[lavish flare]

but she's so adamant on killing things being "against the light" and dooms her god because of it
and only pettiness gets her to act against her principles

[hybrid gazelle]

but no Orphion just decide to ghost her without proper guidance and then replace her for no good reason

[dense coral]

Half the quests in the game are either genocide or a government revolution 💀

[hybrid gazelle]

yes because it literally never correct hereven though it tested her

[winter fjord]

I think it is pretty reasonable for someone chosen by the light to think killing things is bad

[hybrid gazelle]

Orphion set her up for failure
it did not even bother telling her how her power work
she has to work with the infromation she has

I still do not get why people hating on Lari for acting like a person for this??? Ofc jealousy is a part of nomral human being espically when in the situation such as this

[winter fjord]

Agreed

[hybrid gazelle]

she literally got replace with no notice

it literally right here

[hushed comet]

i believe the quest story should lean more into this rather than unexplained pacifism

[hybrid gazelle]

Lari literall been said that she been tested before and yet Orphion never bother to correct her action when it literally have power to do ALL THIS TIME

[hybrid gazelle]

This I agree but with info we have, it's insane to blame everything on Lari

[winter fjord]

Like imagine you do your best at work for decades but never really get any recognition from your boss and one day an intern shows up and suddenly gets massive bonuses from your boss

[lavish flare]

so you're saying she's not at fault at all for letting the decay spread, kill people, kill nature because she's acting like a person because it's a god's fault for misjudging her

[pine flower]

ig people might fault her for her humanity because she'd been shown acting holier than in prior content?

[winter fjord]

It is orphions fault for ignoring what is going on

[hybrid gazelle]

the light literalyl could just correct her action during her test

she has flaws yes but the faults is not entirely on her you are missing crucical info

[dense coral]

Liberlari

[lavish flare]

she never got tested in the first place because orphion didn't deem her worthy

[hybrid gazelle]

SHE DID she literally siad it right here

[lavish flare]

she got powers, but during the RoL quests there's legit a portion where she's never able to get into these doors or get them to open

[winter fjord]

Do the quest again and pay attention to what happened

[hybrid gazelle]

this is ROL 3
this is flashback

[lavish flare]

and it isn't until we come along that the doors open and we get to go inside

[hybrid gazelle]

she been tested before, the light never correct her action

[dense coral]

ROL 2, orphion literally says she is unworthy

[hybrid gazelle]

@lavish flare this as well

she did test
the light never correct her
this shit is like a teacher saying you are wrong but never explain why you are wrong

[lavish flare]

and he never ignored what was going on, he got infected by the parasite early on (light forest special cutscene) and wasn't able to do anything

[hybrid gazelle]

parasite get into ROL in 800 AP

all of this shit happen BEFORE 800 AP

[pine flower]

perhaps people think she acts too arrogantly for being a girlfailure

[hybrid gazelle]

Orphion literally have 800 years to talk to Lari and correct her action

[lavish flare]

for sure yeah

[lavish flare]

don't you think a god has better things to do than babysit her

[hybrid gazelle]

that simply standard elf stuff

[hybrid gazelle]

YES??? like you know fucking told her his intention???

[pine flower]

thats racism true

[lavish flare]

also do you not have the slowmode activated or something? bc you're kinda spamming really quickly

[hybrid gazelle]

It kinda fucking important to tell your servant what you want intead of being vague and never corrected them

[dense coral]

He might've never considered her as an important part of ROL

[shut hornet]

if shes supposed to carry out his will then yeah, he should tell her what to do

[hybrid gazelle]

if oyu dont consider your CHOOSEN one as important then you deserve to have giant bug on you

[winter fjord]

^^

[hybrid gazelle]

Also btw she was a YOUNG elf the time she got choosen btw I ahve to remind you

[winter fjord]

Communication is important

[dense coral]

If my chosen one was lari, I'd surrender to that bug right away

[hybrid gazelle]

ah yes just like how Orphion enver bother to correct her action or guide her

Again she was literally young elf during the time of her choosen
Orphion literally sennd probably teenager to do these world saving work

[lavish flare]

orphion definitely messed up by giving her powers in the first place before testing her
if he'd taken the time to figure out her character beforehand he probably could've avoided the whole thing lol
but regardless i do think you're kinda avoiding holding her accountable for the decay spreading due to pathos

[hybrid gazelle]

never did but I think it unreasonable for you to blame her for acting like a person when she learn that she been replace by literally nobody

[lavish flare]

it was still her fault, no?
and she had chances to fix it and chose not to

[dense coral]

Let's be real, ophion is an overgrown ancient mob, calling it a god is overstatement, he can't possibly know how to raise a fuckin elf teenager

[winter fjord]

Lari always tried to do what she thought is best, without any guidance from orphion. I think it’s wrong to blame her when orphion had all the power and knowledge to change things

[hybrid gazelle]

as of we know Parasite only appear two times and then disappear in 800 AP

[pine flower]

actually i am curious, from what i understand they converse in special places, assuming why would either she not go there to speak, or orphie not answer to her

[hybrid gazelle]

we dont know what going inbetween these time because the writers kinda stop existing

[winter fjord]

And orphion didn’t try finding someone else to do the job either

[lavish flare]

in the end she never becomes orphion's pulse, gets jealous and tries to kill us
don't you think it's a little ironic the first thing she wanted to kill was us for taking her place, not the parasite when it threatened the balance of light and decay

[lavish flare]

maybe there was no one else
not until we came along

[hybrid gazelle]

but she did
She did become orphion pulse
she always is Orphion pluse
we meant to help her get out of her moral dillema

[shut hornet]

btw as clarified earlier and this chat (and buried) "pulse" isnt an official role. its equivalent to orphion just calling you "friend"

[winter fjord]

Orphion is guilty of dereliction imo

[lavish flare]

the doors never opened for her to be tested and speak to orphion in the first place

[hybrid gazelle]

that make more sense actually

[lavish flare]

she's never been able to go into the gates, never been tested

one of the flashbacks even shows her attacking it, trying to get it to open and failing

[hybrid gazelle]

It did OPEN for her it mention before in ROL 2 and 3

[lavish flare]

i know, it's the same scene i'm quoting
she says it's been "immovable and impassable since it started"

[winter fjord]

I think we need someone in ct to clarify this then

[hybrid gazelle]

ROL is such god awful quest anyway sure

[lavish flare]

idk what's clearer than "impassable"

[pine flower]

further investigation is required

[lavish flare]

"what have they done that i haven't"

maybe the taproot is separate though

[winter fjord]

Orphion is literally ignoring her there

[lavish flare]

but the gate she's definitely never been able to go through

[winter fjord]

I think this is the start of her mental breakdown towards killing the player

[lavish flare]

she DID make "a choice" but i dont think it was in the gate

[shut hornet]

lari is always more of a servant to orphion than you, because she was actually granted magical powers by him. his "replacement" of her with you was always supposed to just snap her out of the pacifism thing by angering her.
the problem here is that theres just straight up no explanation for why orphion cant just tell her directly and needs to leave her without the answers she has begged for for 1000 years, and instead feels the need to piss her off until she snaps and breaks her morals

[winter fjord]

The more i read this quest again the more i hate orphion

[daring cloak]

idk i think the writing kinda screwed lari. she’s not that bad of a character. if she was given more screen time and slowed her change in character showing the development instead of suddenly changing and then having her be gone at the end of RoL 5. It would have made the story and people like her a lot more.

[winter fjord]

We need a lari appearance in a new quest

[daring cloak]

orphion is a massive prick tho that’s so true. i wish we get a sudden “orphion is evil moment” later on

[winter fjord]

Maybe she starts journeying around the world and meets us at the fruman gates?

[pine flower]

i think we can all agree it is a really weird questline

[hybrid gazelle]

story of ROL being story about player being gudided by god to intentionalyl piss off a girl in emotional turmoil just mto put her back to work with no consequence or regard to her being

what does Salted mean by this?

[dense coral]

NO PLEASE, NOOOOOO

[shut hornet]

well actually the rol story was largely written by grian i think

[lavish flare]

the only thing i'm trying to say is that the decay spreading is her fault, and "acting like a human" is not an excuse for her failing to take responsibility

she's always really annoyed me for always acting like a child despite having lived hundreds of years
i can't feel bad for her when we had to clean up her mess

[hybrid gazelle]

I know but saying what does Saltd mean by this is WAYYY funnier

[daring cloak]

unironically is bakal treated better by dernic beast than orphion with lari

[pine flower]

real

[daring cloak]

guys i think we should be switching sides

[hybrid gazelle]

talking shit about CT is how I got cease and desist order actually

[daring cloak]

i know of like one interaction we see bakal and dernic beast and that’s SE ULT discovery

[quick elm]

embrace the darkness

[lavish flare]

i mean it's implied a lot that she can hear him still, but the voice fades more when you arrive

[shut hornet]

not to act like grian is a bad storyteller or anything because in concept the rol story is actually cool. its just got some issues when you look below the surface

[hybrid gazelle]

most wynncraft player saying they support dern more is reference to the fact that most of wynncraft commmunity are basement dweller who never see sunlight

[shut hornet]

but anyway if you dont trust grian to tell a good story, you'll be pleased to know he's had very little involvement with fruma

[pine flower]

i personally dont think we should perform as pawns of these otherworldly beings for ends that are only theirs and instead find a way to sever the connection the elves made to the realm of light

[hybrid gazelle]

dont worry the need to talk shit about your superior is strong I ahve that too

[pine flower]

on gobb

[shut hornet]

i mean grian actually asked for people to credit him with the rol story when he saw that everyone was blaming imaxe for it and using it to call him a bad storyteller

[hybrid gazelle]

fair enough

[pine flower]

maxie does not deserve the hounding

[shut hornet]

imaxe has had a lot more personal control over fruma and i think hes doing a great job

[hybrid gazelle]

but still tho like how the fuck did Imaxe been put into that position

like being overwork and shit I mean

like I read the credit of Gavel reborn update and like Imaxe madeu p like 80% of writers here like damn

[thin geyser]

imaxe is awesome

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean sure I believe it but I Dont think that warrant to overwork him

[shut hornet]

he is paid

[swift saddle]

if theres no bread enthusiast updates in fruma then story bad i fear

[shut hornet]

i think bread enthusiast has had his moment. its time to move on

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean fair enough if that a reason he i being overwork in the update sure

[shut hornet]

anyway guys tell me your wildest predictions for fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

butterfly is Fruma queen

[pine flower]

some additional lore (or hidden quest who knows) involving sohso

[hybrid gazelle]

that not perdiction that just comfirm LOL

[pine flower]

ok i predict there will be blocks

[hybrid gazelle]

unles CT pull the funny

[winter fjord]

I think we will kill the queen and establish a democracy that is secretly controlled by the cia (cinfras intelligence agency)

[spring kernel]

Some kind of espren

[carmine cradle]

Nah, anarchy, so all the people move to Wynn and we get more soldiers

[pine flower]

i predict clock mystery will not come out in the same update

[winter fjord]

I still have the clock set :P

[hybrid gazelle]

this imply people willing to move to wynn by choices

[pine flower]

same

[thick pivot]

the fruma queen is the person orphion is referring to

[swift saddle]

there will probs be around 3-4 main quests and 1-2 side quests

[hybrid gazelle]

Also on topic of that you make me reason something

trying to destroy Fruma would be bad for Wynn province

[winter fjord]

Or maybe it turns out the queen is secretly working with bakaal to take over the world

[hybrid gazelle]

so ending of fruma update would be very very intresting

[cunning flower]

insane name 💀

[exotic yew]

ok but why did you even went to fruma in the first place

[cunning flower]

to seek ya past

[winter fjord]

Now it all makes sense

[hybrid gazelle]

behind fruma's wall is the only cracker barrel in the entire world of wynncraft

[exotic yew]

insane take, but possible

[pine flower]

id guess theyd either open their doors like gavel (unlikely) or we sneak in somehow

[hybrid gazelle]

that right baby we eating at cracker barrel in Fruma

we eating in cracker barrel in Fruma guys
we are eating CRACKER BARREL

[swift saddle]

theres gonna be a dilemma of wanting to stop the brainwashing thing vs having fruman people continue to go to wynn to the frontlines, similar to the iron golem and villager thing in gavel

[thick pivot]

the other possible answer is qira since she seems to be preparing for the war against darkness but im not sure

[hybrid gazelle]

YOU WILL BE SEND INTO THE MEAT GRINDER NOW

[exotic yew]

yeah and if you're Orphion why would that mattered at all, unless she's somehow connected to dernbeast

[winter fjord]

Nah qira is not inherently evil

[hybrid gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/anger-gohan-dbz-dragon-ball-z-dragon-ball-gif-18002654408349009568

[swift saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-jerma-meme-stare-man-jerma-meatgrinder-gif-27599725

[winter fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/capybara-war-ominous-196cord-jahbama-gif-22510596

[thick pivot]

did orphion state that the war between light and darkness is meaningless
i kind of forgot

[pine flower]

Qira has a chocolate stash she cant be evil

[exotic yew]

the logic doesn't add-up in that case, Orphion want to beat the shit of of darkness if anything he'd tried to recuit her or not stand in her way

[thick pivot]

i mean in a secret discovery where ophion and dern beast talked to each other before the parasite reaches nol

[exotic yew]

she's a literal slaver

[pine flower]

since when?

[hybrid gazelle]

"since when?"

Qira's servant in question

[plain ingot]

that was rewritten

[exotic yew]

afaik no not him if anyone that's dern also not meaningless but endless

[thick pivot]

ah alright

[pine flower]

servant is not the same word as slave wdym?

[exotic yew]

also yes rewritten

[hybrid gazelle]

they cant get out of her hive

some of them did not even get to see their family

[shut hornet]

i think qira's "slaving" is not meant to be viewed like that

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK samsam
not allowing someone to visit their family for years is actualyl pretty bad

[shut hornet]

many of them were homeless or living otherwise troubled lives before and she granted them hospitality

[pine flower]

aint that cause that qira evil servant tries to stop them

[exotic yew]

you cannot have anything, cannot go out of the hive

[exotic yew]

No???

[winter fjord]

Didn’t gale go the the wynnter festival?

[swift saddle]

so taking advantage of them

[exotic yew]

gale is not a servant?

[hybrid gazelle]

samsam

slave masters do provide shelter for their slave irl

they dont just let their slave sleep in the mud

[exotic yew]

if anything they appointed one servant to be a representative

gale just accompany her

[pine flower]

one servant goes out for two separate festivals they have possessions as presented by orja having festive decorations, and being stopped by evil servant

[hybrid gazelle]

also btw she has a power to tell Yansur to fuck off with how he treat other servants but she did not until Orja arrive

being ignorant while having power to stop the abuse so kinda make you look bad

[carmine cradle]

Better then anarchy

[pine flower]

to be fair all servants have the power to tell off yansur

that guy has zero authority

[hybrid gazelle]

so her best solution is let Yansur run his mouth until someone realize he has zero authority?

[acoustic ledge]

Hello

[hybrid gazelle]

is that like what she aim to do?

[pine flower]

dunno, just pointing out that they certainly dont fit the "slave mold" imo

[exotic yew]

idk man I think I would rather live in place where there's no active threat of undead that can end cities at any given moment

[hybrid gazelle]

reminder they cant even celebrate holiday until Orja arrive

[pine flower]

not that they couldnt

[exotic yew]

they literally can't wdym

[hybrid gazelle]

They FIT slavery because they have no choice in the matter

[pine flower]

i can agree that it can count as coercion as they generally come from impoverished places, but since when did they not have a choice?

[rain saffron]

huh, interesting to read this all haha. I always thought they were like, followers? But now that I think about it, they might be servants..

[hybrid gazelle]

some of them just homeless people but some of them actually have family

[exotic yew]

have you not considered they legit cannot LEAVE

[pine flower]

they are servants, i just believe they can take paid leave

[hybrid gazelle]

then why cant that guy visit his family
SURELY he would be allow to visit his family right???

[exotic yew]

they're literally called servants

[exotic yew]

no like they legit cannot leave this is esthablished facts

[pine flower]

now that idk

[pine flower]

false, Orja

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah cause Orja is the favorite servant

[shut hornet]

its unclear if she actually forces people to be servants tbh. theres an olux npc that talks about being visited by one of the servants and is considering joining the hive since itd feel like some sort of "greater purpose", implying that the hive servants chose to be there. meanwhile, there's also a dialogue about qira forcibly enslaving some weak band of challenges who asked her nicely to stop being evil, but its unclear if thats just rumors

[exotic yew]

that one is appointed as represntative, without that role she literally cannot leave

[rain saffron]

Right 😭🤣

[exotic yew]

have you seen her in other part of the world other than the festival?

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah there other option is to stay in shitty and decaying swamp that can barely grow nay food

[exotic yew]

time to read some obscure fanfics by selvut to confirm this (/jk)

[molten mural]

errmmm

[exotic yew]

?

[hybrid gazelle]

from what I read from the hive drabble
some servants just happen to speak japanese randomly

I find this really funny

[molten mural]

curiosity killed the cat

[exotic yew]

wait what are you fr

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[exotic yew]

I think you just don't know what I'm talking about

[molten mural]

oh no i certainly do

[hybrid gazelle]

hive drabble is not even that bad I think it decent read

[daring cloak]

hive drabble isn’t that bad. i haven’t read it but it looks fine on the surface

[exotic yew]

yeah hive drabble is ok afaik, I did some skimming

[pine flower]

oh yeah orja comes from a (seemingly canon?) selvut fanfic

[hybrid gazelle]

wtf you mean you certainly do why you acting like hive drabble is some sort of forbidden text??

[daring cloak]

samsam can we get some more ct discord lore

[exotic yew]

I never said that

[hybrid gazelle]

I am talking to the failure guy

[exotic yew]

I think he thought I meant what selvut wrote in wf which is different thing entirely

[molten mural]

no one say it is forbidden it is open to people to read

[hybrid gazelle]

then why did you said Curisosity kill the cat???

[molten mural]

yeah but open to interpretation

[exotic yew]

bro can only think of something in the server he has never been it 🤣

[hybrid gazelle]

it ltierally not that bad of a fic IDK why you use the term "curiosity kill the cat" to describe it

[pine flower]

hmm nevermind my thoughts, i retract my previous statements of not being slaves, the fanfic does have qira refer to one as such

[hybrid gazelle]

I WAS ASBOUT TO BROUGHT THAT UP

[exotic yew]

wtf are we fr

[hybrid gazelle]

and yes Qira do refer her servants as SLAVES with capitalization

[exotic yew]

now I have to read it, uncovering obscure lore in the fics

[molten mural]

have you considered i left

[pine flower]

would this then be the second group of canonically slaved people

[exotic yew]

OH YEAH RIGHT It's in the first paragraph right

[exotic yew]

no I don't, I don't think soap would invite you and this is not even about anything to do with wynnfics

[exotic yew]

I think She's referring to yansur?

[molten mural]

woah thats personal

[exotic yew]

if you have to feel that way I'm terribly sorry but I simply stated the facts

[pine flower]

im thinking of one of the first sentences, i dont think it is as the servant is talking like a normal person

[hybrid gazelle]

anyway we can come back to discuss how Dern Beast could be Device_Friend from the infamous Deltarune tomorrow

[exotic yew]

idk I have not get into it

[exotic yew]

tentacle cat

[hybrid gazelle]

and this theory should be call
Dern Inside Me

[pine flower]

youve got a dern in you?

[exotic yew]

I'm derning ~trashie 2025

[hybrid gazelle]

me when I play Fruma update and
THE TAIL OF HELL TAKE CRAWL

[rain saffron]

You got a dern in me

[hybrid gazelle]

anyway let me discuss something important

I have headcanon that dwarven feast is literally just BBQ buffet

[rain saffron]

YES

[exotic yew]

not lava hotpot?

0/10 sad headcanon

[pine flower]

most important

[thick pivot]

oh i have a question, is it stated in the game that every vision in a hunter's calling is not possible in the reality the player is in (as in no longer possible to happen)?

[pine flower]

what is the question

[swift saddle]

[exotic yew]

I mean, corkus one could happen...

[thick pivot]

the fallen factory one looks kind of possible and i really like the idea of a machine themed raid where the main threat is the traps instead of robot mobs

[pine flower]

also how many natural cases of gert conversion has happened

[exotic yew]

idk

[pine flower]

dont know, but isnt it that theyre just impossible in reality because we didnt catalyse these events

[thick pivot]

but it's possible that antikythera is still alive after we destroyed FF

just that the robot we played in that vision doesn't exist

[pine flower]

yeah i think antikythera is still alive thanks to backups or smth, but our robot selves dont exist no
also how we can rematch them

[ornate imp]

maybe it isnt possible because only the AHC version of antikythera had backup cores

[dark fog]

this is real

[hybrid gazelle]

NO WAY

[shell maple]

Inside?

[kindred cave]

theory: a hunter's calling is prequel to the corrupted dungeons

[dense coral]

First interesting sentence in this channel today

[vocal frost]

Theory: izomak is real in lore but they're afraid to acknowledge it

[rain saffron]

ooo never thought about it that way

[kindred cave]

i've had this idea for many years

only problem is that most of the CD bosses talk about you like you fought them before in the normal dungeon, and have returned after corruption overwhelmed everything

[woeful abyss]

Fop

[rotund gust]

maybe some of them, but the problem with that is that we kill theorick in hunters calling, but in corrupted ice barrows he’s still alive

and the only other hunters calling section that would affect a dungeon is the fallen factory segment, but we don’t have corrupted ff yet

unless you just mean their the same type of alternate timeline

[woeful abyss]

Glad to see this channel is actually lore now and not guild comm 2... So much nicer ❤️

[kindred cave]

the corruption is known to resurrect people

[rotund gust]

yesterday started as guild comm 2, turned into an arguement about what should be canon, and then finally calmed down

[kindred cave]

ultimate corruption = ultimate resurrection

[rotund gust]

corrupted theorick also starts out the dungeon talking about our “noble deeds” which isn’t in line with the evil player of AHC.

and in the AHC timeline he’d have no reason to even form ice barrows, he does it normally to imprison himself to stop the corrupted after he comes out of the portal. He is was killed and brought back he’d be more like bane of the great bridge

[shut lake]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-utdr-battat-mike-image-friend-gif-3855265331205459457

[strong goblet]

Since it feels like qira's been the main topic for that last few days, did salted's statement about her that everyone thinks is the funniest shit ever ever get officially deconfirmed

[rain saffron]

this omg

[woeful abyss]

:3

[rain saffron]

:D

[rustic nexus]

I think this topic is not productive and it doesn't really matter if it's true or not

[polar wigeon]

poeple of the wynn crafters, what topic is being discussed here? what is the lore about?

[hushed comet]

many people lost their lives here when we last tried to discuss lore

[polar wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/bionicle-luigi-bionicle-lore-luigi-sleep-gif-25536992

[rotund gust]

it’s so sad what happened

the tragedy

[clever drift]

Cooked

[unique jungle]

no way they made a channel for trashie based

[molten mural]

for samsam i think

[static mortar]

bionicle mentioned in wynncord wtf

[surreal flax]

THEORY: the cosmic meteors are actually bio-weapons from the dernic beast, and the creatures that mutated due to these meteors make up bak'al's army

[polar wigeon]

bionicle was peak lego

[burnt robin]

WAIT WHAT THIS EXISTS NOW?!?!??!?!??!??!

[burnt robin]

[grim laurel]

Lari is Femboy?

[graceful scarab]

lari is an elf girl

annoying and a professional ex-pacifist yapper lore wise

[stoic tree]

Lets discuss some lore

[glad stirrup]

@stoic tree lets discuss the deep lore implications of the teki digsite!

[vestal rivet]

wait what when did this channel get here

does this mean there's a greater focus on lore now?

[glad stirrup]

the channel exists to highlight the fact that dern is west of corkus

[hybrid gazelle]

Pretty sure they manage to convince salted that this channel has a use

[humble cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/vsa-microwave-microwavelore-lore-gif-22775600

[ornate imp]

if we get dern its not going to be seen in the official map unless they do some reorganization for quest areas

[obsidian bane]

hat do you mean? won't they just replace the big black box?

[ornate imp]

you see, quest areas outside the map itself are created in an unseen space outside the map. apart from fruma, which had been planned since the end of times, new areas outside the map will need to be very far away from the map, just like how the void is rn.

[clever pumice]

I completely figured Dern was south of Wynn/Fruma/SE and would take up the length of the map like gavel

I'm surprised they didn't make the Realm of light larger either, like half the size of Gavel, still north of it. Maybe no one wants that or in lore the other realms are much smaller than that of the realm wynn is in

[quartz mist]

also consider time constraints and priorities

[whole sage]

can we get a level 110 fruma quest where we sentence lari to life in prison for causing the gavel decay

[ornate imp]

ofc, we don't even have fruma yet, and dern might not even be planned

[rotund gust]

what if dern is fruma 👀

[glad stirrup]

no, dern is west of corkus as confirmed by the lore

[ornate imp]

thank you lore confirmer

[glad stirrup]

do some research into the teki digsite, the grand ocean conspiracy and all the other indicators and you'll see that im right

[wary lantern]

weird random question that literally only matters for a funny thought i had about my own stuff in relation to wynn but

the purple and blue meteors are chaos and order, but which is which? is purple order or chaos?

[spring kernel]

Good question

I believe the answer is somewhere ingame but I can't remember rn, Maybe thr wiki has it

[daring cloak]

rol exists as an offshoot of the map

so theres no like confirmation on how big realm of dark/dern will be

[exotic bough]

based on my perception of color purple would be chaos and blue would be order

also since blue is tied with light, and the light's thing is making stuff an orderly geometric form of odd, while purple is tied with dern, which makes things a body-horror chaotic form of odd

[remote river]

So the wiki has purple as chaos

[ornate imp]

usually, order is portrayed as white, blue or yellow. and chaos is portrayed as black, purple, or multiple colors.

[remote river]

“The purple and blue meteor shards seem to represent primal forces - chaos and order respectively.”

Straight from the Secret Discovery

[cloud phoenix]

huh

the only source there is you 😭

[grand ocean]

the bears prevent the corruption from spreading thats why the bear zoo isnt corrupted

[clever quartz]

They eat corruption

[daring cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-red-and-blue-hollow-purple-gojo-purple-gif-10414437462484512080

[grand ocean]

😋

[clever quartz]

It's like a plant

it produces tasty berries with corruption seeds, but when they go through the bears' digestive system they lose their corrupted spreading abilities so they juts become normal seeds

[midnight bison]

https://tenor.com/view/right-now-it’s-just-that-everything-feels-right-sorry-amanai-gojo-sorry-jjk-gif-6689060642723775612

[daring cloak]

I WATCHED HTE MOVIE IT SUCKED 🔥

[midnight bison]

https://tenor.com/view/jujutsu-kaisen-sukuna-gif-14083490238819080082

[daring cloak]

I BOGUHT TICKETS TO JUST WATCH THE SHOW AGAIN!

[civic seal]

i think this bears some further investigation into the bare facts of this black corruption plague being polarized by the grizzled digestive system of bears, its could barely be our last hope.

[daring cloak]

they didnt even reanimate anything it was so MID

[midnight bison]

Anyways, talking mushroom

[daring cloak]

can e get more talking mushroom lore

[civic seal]

bro how have i completely forgotten abt that guy

[midnight bison]

Can the mushroom solo all of wynn?

[civic seal]

the only time he ever says anything for me seems to be when i go to ragni idk why.

[midnight bison]

It has 6 arms

[civic seal]

https://tenor.com/view/mikefoster-funguy-mikefoster-funguy-gif-26014498

[slow notch]

lowkey what did you expect

the movie was the exact same content as the show went into

[rich ravine]

brain.exe (no respond)

[slow notch]

day 2 and this channel is already dead ggs aint NO lore getting discussed

[dense glen]

tbh most lore is either alr known about in game or not a thing yet and only answerable by ct

[solar ingot]

what do we discuss about?

[rotund gust]

why is hashr irrelevant?

[hybrid gazelle]

mostly because he from old lore where they just put random shit in

Hashr probably get rewor kbut I dont see him playing a part in major storyline
unlike Charon, Theorick, and other dungeon boss

he simply just do not have any other materials to work with beside adding some info on the sand kingdom which is like okay tbh I think it could lore bit that give player a break

[pallid rain]

where's Ohms grave?

[unique hill]

if your guild owns canyon of the lost is there a law that makes you break up with your girlfriend when she turns 18 if you own the guild ?

[warm sun]

bro 😭

[vagrant mason]

is there a cultural difference involved ?

[unique hill]

canyon of the pedophile apologists

[zenith rock]

wild lore being discussed

[unique hill]

holy shit etkw has cotl rn too LMFAOOOO

[zenith rock]

did you not know?? i thought that’s why you said it

[unique hill]

no i was talking about gsw

[zenith rock]

at what point in the timeline did drag own that guild

[unique hill]

my sources informed me incorrectly i guess

[hybrid gazelle]

would not age of consent attatch to the government that control the region rather than guild

because so far as we see Canyon of the lost is own by both of villagers nad dwarves

[zenith rock]

thesead age of consent??

[hybrid gazelle]

then that depend on the life spans, culture, and maturity of villagers

which we barely know anything
but consider villagers imply to be more advance than Wynn humans who live in medival time
it likely they would have longer life expency due to their advance medical field

back in medival time, life expency is lower than we have irl

also since villagers are entirely different spieces but rn we can safely assume they might have similar lifespans to our

but again we dont really know of their culture and how they see ages because again just like irl age of consent is vary in many countries

but consider wynncraft as setting, it more likely 18 because I highly doubt writers would want that kind of weird thing in their setting

[warm sun]

i doubt that they considered that while writing lore and background information on the setting itself 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

it is but we can use our interreptation and implication to form it ourselves

[warm sun]

lore channel is cooking today

[hybrid gazelle]

they dont need to think of everything and let the readers come to their own conclusion with the information present in the game

but currently there is not much info in the game so we can just assume that writers of a minecraft server doesn ot really want weird stuff in their setting

[rotund gust]

if you break cotl age of consent rules the colossus personally kills you

[drifting aurora]

??????????????

[warm sun]

maximum? 😭

[unique hill]

oh nah im leaving

[vagrant mason]

Historically,

[rotund gust]

you’re 19 no more freaky canyon for you

[drifting aurora]

what a weird fucking thing to ask

[hybrid gazelle]

Well I have no idea what Naraka is
but it would be enforce by villager governemnt and dwarven royalty depend on the city you are in

[vagrant mason]

babe i’m getting banned

[hybrid gazelle]

having random group of people enforcing the law of the region is pretty bad actually

[unique hill]

i can’t say it wouldn’t be justified

[warm sun]

is this a real conversation that is happening right now

[rotund gust]

unfortunately

[hybrid gazelle]

I would honestly just suggest you to go else where if you want to ask these kind of questions instead of going to lore channel

but yeah that my answer to it

[rotund gust]

lets talk about something less controversial, like when was gay marriage legalized in wynn

[wind prism]

i suppose the age of consent does depend on region historically, but simultaneously, does such a detail add to the immersion, or to the thematic elements of wynn?

[hybrid gazelle]

well Wynn is medival era province but consider non binary people seems to live there without much issue I can see gay marriage just never illegalize in the first place

like so far wynn does not display to have religion that people could twist to be anti-lgbtq

[rotund gust]

better story than one elf causing it

[hybrid gazelle]

Bovenmism is just worship of cow
unless we have homophobic cow ofc

[rotund gust]

is fruman queen homophobic?

[wind prism]

ig people in wynn have much bigger issues than illegalizing homosexuality

[hybrid gazelle]

It would be just like irl yeah

HONESTLY consider wynn province lower life spans

I feel like thing can get weird there

[wind prism]

wait what

[split verge]

I see #guild_community is still leaking into #📚lore_discussion

[hybrid gazelle]

It is what it is

[rotund gust]

Twas unavoidable

[wind prism]

i legit was scrolling through ff dialogue, couldnt believe it

[rotund gust]

screenshot?

[wind prism]

naw i dont think it's real

though the fallen factory must have enormous property tax

[hybrid gazelle]

no because it fallen

it no longer used

nobody using it

Nobody own it now

[wind prism]

oh... then since we defeated the super computer, can we just like, own it?

[hybrid gazelle]

no because that not how it work

that like saying you own a mansion because you beat up bodyguards in it

[wind prism]

taxless property the size of a mansion

[rotund gust]

unless i’m looking for the wrong slur i have no idea what your talking about. I did find on page for both .gg and fandom wiki for FF

[wind prism]

who will dispute our claim?

[hybrid gazelle]

it also meant to be nation monument

the council wont let you own that LOL

[wind prism]

HUH

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK the corkian council? The group that own the land that Fallen Factory is in?

[rotund gust]

why they gave us the only keys to get in

[wind prism]

😔 we gotta beat up the council now? darn

IM JUST SAYIN, we could be owning a lot more than a floating island

[hybrid gazelle]

they did not give, we beat up mechs that stole it and that for different circumstance

[zenith rock]

property tax

[rotund gust]

i mean, the avos gave us their key atleast. whole trial and everything

[hybrid sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1338576870647791686/1345411551502401566/caption-9.gif

[rotund gust]

already 50% ownership for the avo’s half

[hybrid gazelle]

that key MEANT to lock up the factory

it not ownership key
they split it to whoever want to open factory have harder time

[rotund gust]

i mean all keys are meant to lock up houses.

[hybrid gazelle]

except this is not a house, it's factory with rogue AI that they lock up away for safety

[rotund gust]

if i have the only keys to get in, it’s my house. Ai’s gone we removed it it’s my house now.

[unique hill]

it’s a secret hidden dialogue that only plays if you have “catgirl” “femboy” “kitten” etc. in your username while doing the dungeon

[rotund gust]

i wanna live in the funny steampunk aparture science lab

[hybrid gazelle]

that nation monument, that not how it work
that not a house, you cant own it

[rotund gust]

monument to what it’s like actively avoided by most people since its sprewing evil robots

[warm sun]

is this lore accurate

[slow notch]

on god?

[rotund gust]

based

[slow notch]

where is the link to this dialogue

[wind prism]

it all makes sense now.

[rotund gust]

ong

[unique hill]

my sources have told me this is unconfirmed

[rotund gust]

we need a racism/homophic tierlist of wynncraft characters in order of most likely to say slurs to least.

like all the dwarf characters except axelus gotta be at the top

[hybrid gazelle]

Sybil is racist

[hybrid gazelle]

You disregard the fact that some dwarves are also in coliation

[strange dew]

I agree we need to GATEKEEP this channel from the DIRTY gcommers

[rotund gust]

I feel like theorick would say slurs, i get that vibe

[hybrid gazelle]

Dranni not necessery racist against doguns but he willingly use them as stepping stone for his legacy

[zenith rock]

<@&268142859327242242> slander of a marginalized group

[rotund gust]

tasim would say them not knowing they’re slurs and thinking it’s just some inside joke he wants to participate in

[strange dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1017034368977489940/1328218788176597012/attachment.gif

[rotund gust]

siegfried cannot say slurs or he will be replaced by a new siegfried

[zenith rock]

ragebaiting as well 💔

[wind prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/779802032512958526/1359722739925258471/watermark.gif

[rotund gust]

would lari say slurs?

[strange dew]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-tony-stark-meme-metric-system-imperial-gif-25565754

Sorry gcommer but I don't partake in gen z slang mind describing what "ragebaiting" is?

[hybrid gazelle]

no but she say this

[rotund gust]

hmm, i feel like she would if the writing team was allowed to let her

[drifting aurora]

❌ blatant mischaracterization

[hybrid gazelle]

god your tumblr post is such waste of space

[rotund gust]

man

wait the bob one?

[hybrid gazelle]

sorry mind slip

anyway yeah no Lari would not

[rotund gust]

tasim racism lore when

[rotund gust]

villager with the hard r 😭

[shut hornet]

why am i being pinged with weird ass questions

[hybrid gazelle]

I literally was about to ask why are you being ping with taht question

like wtf did you even do

[drifting aurora]

no thank you

[shut hornet]

can u guys be normal

[rotund gust]

no

[shut hornet]

oh ok

[rotund gust]

thank you for understanding

[hybrid sundial]

nope

[hybrid gazelle]

you know you really prove me wrong that I though people from wynncraft tumblr are appealing people who are interesting to talk to
but I guess there always an exception

anyway rewriting of ROL so far is pretty fucked

going through some draft and stuff rn is like god nothing work I will figure something out eventually, this take longer than I thought

[rotund gust]

damn, screw you too

[glad stirrup]

this is factual

[wet vault]

No

Ask for something easier

[drifting aurora]

this is unnecessary, dude

[hybrid gazelle]

fair enough

[glad stirrup]

That’s because I am a pioneer in this field of study! Someone always has to come first but soon all shall open their eyes to the truth

[hallow kernel]

i realize i've been missing ur tumblr writing posts trashie are they the same as the ones in hoa

because i use a different blog nowadays so idon't get notifs from my mainone

[hybrid gazelle]

Nah TBH I kinda forgot to those because I finish wartorn and been busy with stuff like ROL rewrite

[hallow kernel]

ok good to know i haven't missed stuff :D feel free to ping me about ur ROL rewrite work

[hybrid gazelle]

thanks it kinda in choas right
rewriting ROL is harder than I though when you start moving stuff around

it probably easy and I overthink it but ehhh whatever it is what it is

[hallow kernel]

iirc i think u or someone else mentioned how a lot of light forest secret discoveries would be better suited for the main questlline

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH I would say the concept of Lari doing something right should be in the main questline

not just the barrier exclusively ofc
I think most of light forest discoveries kinda bad?

there like one about mushroom and it liek I dont know wtf it saying

[hallow kernel]

agreed, most of her appearances are her messing up and it would be nice to have more positive characterization of her

[hybrid gazelle]

and guess what after some discussion with friends I Just literally dont know what to do with Eih

[shut hornet]

im just gonna straight up say light mushrooms is lazy filler

[hallow kernel]

the mushroom could be worse imagine if it was just a straight up bad trip because humans aren't meant to consume blue caps

[hybrid gazelle]

like I almost just delete him from existence until I figure out what i could to with him

[shut hornet]

theres literally NOTHING interesting about it. it has no reason to exist

[hallow kernel]

other than haha funny drugs

[hybrid gazelle]

The light blunt

made from the leaves from Aldorei Valley
laced with Heliolux sparkle
and stuffed with shroom from the Nexus

[shut hornet]

canyon crystals is another useless one

[hallow kernel]

this shit was watered with the blood of 37 dernmites. rip dullahan this shit is what shot him

[rotund gust]

i mean, it’s not the same but her appearance in memory paranoia does show her trying and the negative consequences of people not listening to her

[static mortar]

i'm currently wondering how this chat went from saying that cotl is epstein's island to tasim and/or lari being racist

[hybrid gazelle]

now you are talking
Well memory paranoid is a can of worm on its own

but the idea of Lari actaully doing something right is good too but it just

memory paranoid is memory paranoid

I highly doubt CT even remember what that quest is about

[rotund gust]

tf did i do to you “now you are talking” why are you so damn hostile

[hybrid gazelle]

Honestly good question probably just on very very hostile mood today

[static mortar]

memory paranoia btw

[hybrid gazelle]

sometime just you know wake up on the wrong side of the bed and decide to pick a fight

nothing personal, I just very twitchy

anyway yeah memory paranoid is a quest

[rotund gust]

i made some jokes about tasim racism after someone else brought up FF slurs and you’ve been constantly bashing me since

[hybrid gazelle]

like honestly forgot about wtf it about honestly like only remember about being evil spoon

it probably have funniest plot point in like meant to be horror quest?

[static mortar]

i know the computer's evil but i cannot for the life of me remember* ever seeing it say slurs or imply them

[rotund gust]

someone else brought it up then deleted the message 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

Antikythera once have a removed dialogue where it tell you that you should commit suicide
that actualyl real

[rotund gust]

uhhh they build a mansion ontop of a darkness thingy, lari tells them not to, they do it anyway, and then they all kill each other

[hybrid gazelle]

the darkness thingy is actually where parasite emerge from Gavel

[rotund gust]

yeah, mb i forgot that part

[hybrid gazelle]

it just the quest is like

evil spoon is the cause

[rotund gust]

it kinda feels like an outdated version of hollow serenity. Very similar vibe between them, but one feels a lot more modern and in depth

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah I am not a fan of memory paranoid despite the fact it did not have Lari do something right

[hybrid gazelle]

actually this is pretty good way to view that quest because i have to agree it literally just hollow serenity but the writers on crack and forgot the point

[rotund gust]

i love memory paranoia, i just think it needs some modernizing (at the very least being switched from armor stands to mobs.) it does have one of my favorite tracks in the wynn ost

[static mortar]

don't forget lari was added on top of memory paranoia like way later

and in like 2.0 too lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

honestly I try to rewrite taproot but hmmm felt like it missing something

honestly ROL that I got so far the draft is not fully finish yet but I just view each quest on its lonesome

I want to have dernmites appear at the end to tear apart the taproot to show the agency and the dire situation that the light is in

[rotund gust]

yeah. wasn’t the old version that they knew it was dark related, but wanted to show the people of the swamp that there was nothing to be scared of. Now it’s just lari showing up and getting ignored

[hybrid gazelle]

parasites and its spawns should have more role in ROL because ironically they have the least role in ROL

[drifting aurora]

canyon crystals is truly the worst discovery in the game

[hybrid gazelle]

wtf with wynncraft and crystals

[drifting aurora]

i want it dead

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like crystals in wynncraft are like hhave bad writing attatch to them for some reason

[stoic tree]

Just change canyon crystal to a world discovery instead

[rotund gust]

i mean, it would be a good opportunity to give a bit more crystal lore/a cutscene of the gavel meteors hitting. Instead it’s just weird parkour and xp

[hybrid gazelle]

like Wynnex crystals just only there because why not
Meteor crystal is like I guessm ake gert, the worst spieces in wynncraft writing wise?
and void crystal being like there

[drifting aurora]

um. yk the gylia ultimate shows the meteors hitting right

[rotund gust]

no the other metoers from ???. Gylia ult just shows the purple and blue

[drifting aurora]

i dont actually think crystal lore needs another secret discovery. anything that needs to be said can be said elsewhere

[shut hornet]

honestly the light forest mushrooms discovery is even more worthless

[drifting aurora]

canyon crystals is entirely filler and adds nothing

[hallow kernel]

my thoughts: lari could tell the player at the end to visit her at her camp if they want to learn more about the dernmites or offers the player assistance in case they were affected by the dernmites. but tbh i can't remember what quest is after taproot so feel free to ignore this i was just thinking of a segway for the player and lari to meet up again naturally

[shut hornet]

it literally says nothing at all. at least canyon crystals gives info you can get elsewhere

[static mortar]

i just remember the wither in the kitchen, the spoon, the wife dying and the guy going all evil and dark magic stuff cutscene, and the dinner they were having with other nobles or smth. i cannot remember there ever being a mention of the land actually being cursed (at least not rn)

[hybrid gazelle]

can I say that Light Temple is also exist for wrong reason because like why is there no light temple in Aldorei but there is light temple is fuck of nowhere

[limber swan]

why does it even exist

[drifting aurora]

shitty discovery hit list

[hybrid gazelle]

actualyl I dont like most of Light forest discovery

kill it

[rotund gust]

yeah, wynnic excavation and the one in the observatory shows the wynn excavation crystals are meteors, then ???, the gylia plains secrets and star thief explain the gavel meteors

[limber swan]

like they add nothing to wynnex

[hallow kernel]

i love the puzzle for the light mushrooms i just dislike the quality of the lore attached to it

[limber swan]

also why does this channel have slow mode thats dumb

[hybrid gazelle]

after taproot is headless history

[static mortar]

you were not here the first hour

[hybrid gazelle]

the idea is that taproot would give player a guide to find the root of Lari's burden in which transition to ROL 3 where you met Dullahan\

[drifting aurora]

kind of fair tbh

[rotund gust]

mushroom discovery be like “yeah mushrooms grow in gavel ”

[shut hornet]

it just says "There are mushrooms in the light forest and they have mysterious effects." it doesn't tell you anything about WHY this is the case, it basically just tells you something you probably knew already

[hybrid gazelle]

The mysterious effect is they are LOUD AS FUCK

[shut hornet]

its not like theres a cutscene within explaining the Hidden Mechanics of Mushrooms or whatever

[static mortar]

there's literally a quest about mushrooms bro lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

roll that shit in Aldorei leaves and smoke them

[limber swan]

just replace with jungle secret discoveries

those are needed more anyway

[drifting aurora]

thats not really. comparable

[rotund gust]

wait actually samsam question while your here. Why doesn’t the jungle have secrets? just not big enough or dev time

[static mortar]

that discovery* is really redundant due to that one mushroom quest

[hybrid gazelle]

it is but it also introduce one of hte most useless character ever
Eih

messenger of Light
literally only usable if oyu high on shroom
Never contact Lari to help her

[drifting aurora]

i accept zero professor eih slander. i love that little frog

[hybrid gazelle]

Messenger of Light?
more like Fraud of Light cause why is he here

[static mortar]

who

[hybrid gazelle]

That FUCKING FROG know what he did in 1988

[hallow kernel]

the frog that accompanies you on the shattered minds quest

[rotund gust]

since gavel seems to have a lot of meh secrets while troms & dernal have none

[static mortar]

wait oh that thing?

not shattered minds guys i meant the other mushroom quest

[drifting aurora]

gavel had all its discoveries added together in one update (minus a few exceptions that were added on later)

[hybrid gazelle]

THAT FROG THAT I HATE

[drifting aurora]

there just hasnt really been time to do jungle discoveries since then

[rotund gust]

Professor Eih should appear in nexus of light raid buff room

[hallow kernel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/529488165304795136/1020064576840159296/IMG_9151.gif

[static mortar]

there's 2 mushroom quests that show the effects of them holy shit-

[hybrid gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-attacker-jumpscare-frog-jumpscare-boo-gif-1410553638666856648

[rotund gust]

gotcha, just curious

[shut hornet]

ok yeah this is truly on the same level as light mushrooms

[drifting aurora]

we'll get around to it eventually

[hybrid gazelle]

@drifting aurora Lexnt you will be surpirse what I did to Eih in my rewrite of ROL

let me cook trust

[rotund gust]

“yep, they sure are meteors, have some xp”

[drifting aurora]

you can kinda tell theres some filler ones out there lol

[shut hornet]

i really want to ask the gavel reborn gms if there needed to be 1 extra light forest and canyon discovery that badly

[hybrid gazelle]

The origin of the color crystal is well known

Okay so wtf is it then

[rotund gust]

i mean yeah, but i’d rather have filler secrets then no secrets

[drifting aurora]

canyon, yes. without it there are only 4 regular ones

[shut hornet]

gavel reborn is such an impressively big update, covid lockdowns gave so much time to work on it so it was packed with stuff

[hybrid gazelle]

this would be fine if you not needed these secrect for UTILMATE secrect

so these essentially time waster

In the next update
they remake Light Forest SD

and then introduce Golden Eih that crash your game

[static mortar]

bigger picture and shattered minds are literally two quests that explore the effects of mushrooms better than that discovery lmaooo

[shut hornet]

some discoveries like maex black market and crate crane just serve as worldbuilding which is fine

[rotund gust]

me when gylia plains ultimate is level 70 but you physically cannot access it until after beating hunger of the gerts 2 since the library won’t open otherwise

[shut hornet]

its a little lame but its acceptable

[hybrid gazelle]

No Maex black market is not fine because how Coaliation have a meeting in a town that literally ensalving doguns LOL

[rotund gust]

yeah those ones are good (although i wish we could buy stuff in the black market) worldbuilding is appreciated and it’s a good way to spruce up the amount of secrets

[hybrid gazelle]

Maex literally meeting spot for the coliation

which also happen to have black market that sell doguns slave so like wtf Axelus

[shut hornet]

enslaving the doguns is clearly illegal and kept under wraps, they probably arent aware of it

[limber swan]

what? ive never seen that ingame, and i've done that discovery before

[hybrid gazelle]

if that then fine but like little odd it feel like at least coliation illegal acitvity would cross path with black market somehow

[vapid moon]

mete ors

[hybrid gazelle]

Is crystal literally only thing that inside meteor cause I swear to god

[rotund gust]

just now realizing that colossal ruins in the sky island and the ancient ones in gylia plains are almost the exact same secret lol

[hybrid gazelle]

Why can’t we have like big monster pop out of meteor like an egg why is it always crystal

[vapid moon]

idk maybe the crystals are actually like cosmic microorganisms the way that they be moving all over the place

[rotund gust]

both have you break into a colossi spawn and see their fleshy insides

[hybrid gazelle]

What if crystal is the only thing they can bring my wife back to me,,,

[vapid moon]

glup

[rotund gust]

wait does sanfric (the underwater sunken city i think thats its name) still have the dragon egg

[drifting aurora]

colossla ruins has you break into a piece of the actual colossus

[hybrid gazelle]

Are not they call Goliath

[rotund gust]

yeah but the point of both is fleshy insides of big stone golem

[drifting aurora]

colossal ruins doesnt have fleshy insides does it?

[rotund gust]

i thought it did hold on

[exotic yew]

can we have that comic of eih and Orphion about dullahan

[drifting aurora]

yeah it doesnt

[rotund gust]

nvm i’m delusional

[drifting aurora]

there's a lot of discoveries out there that don't really say much, which could probably be done better

[rotund gust]

the colossus is infact not filled with meat

[exotic yew]

yeah no, never has been

[drifting aurora]

applies to basically every region. like in wynn plains you have uhhh bakal's destruction 3. in which bak'al targets one random farmer in particular and ruins his life

[exotic yew]

I mean, this is just bak'al in general

[rotund gust]

on a more positive note though there’s some really good ones though with lots of weird implications (ex, lonely abyss sending you in a circle somehow)

[drifting aurora]

it's kind of weird characterization. i wish it wasn't like that

[exotic yew]

we don't even know who this guy is until ROL5 and AHC if you didn't do secret discovery. making him feels generic as hell

[hybrid gazelle]

fuck that farmer in particular

[shut hornet]

well you see lexnt. had he not killed that farmer, he would have gone on to become a great hero, with the power to defeat corruption once and for all. bak'al could not allow this

[hybrid gazelle]

Dern Beast lend me your strengh please, this is ragni farmer we are up against

[rotund gust]

bak’al when he sees a charming family of three playing in the road

https://tenor.com/view/asgore-knight-gif-10095168295952009600

[hybrid gazelle]

Bak'al when he has to sent his undead horde to tear apart a family of 4 because he was bored

[rotund gust]

bak’al sending us to kill aledar and tasim during AHC cause he felt quirky that day (fr why does he take out the deltas guard but then backs off when the actual fight starts 😭)

[hybrid gazelle]

NGL I reall ywant Gavel to have a desert because imagine we see Grootslang subspieces there

like the only reason I want gavel to have diverse biomes is we see various of subspices and stuff

[rotund gust]

gavel having two sets of plains always felt weird to me. I get one is more a lake region then plains, but still

[hybrid gazelle]

and not

3 forests on monochrome spectrum

[rotund gust]

4 if you count the swamp

[drifting aurora]

fun fact

[hybrid gazelle]

2 plains for some reason
and then the rest is actaully pretty decent

[rotund gust]

swamp, light, dark, kander

[drifting aurora]

wynncraft has 0 natural snowy/ice areas. every single one is magically created

[hybrid gazelle]

we must thank colossus becaues if it did not do what it idd
Ahms region gonna be real boring

[hybrid gazelle]

coldness do not exist in wynncraft

[rotund gust]

because my goat theorick knew tundra is the best aesthetic and was willing to kill a whole region to ensure it existed

[spiral spruce]

Squimble is our biological father

[rotund gust]

what is corkus technically? like, plateaus? hilly? what’s the technically term for corkus terrarian

[shut hornet]

worthless secret discoveries list

• Light Mushrooms
• Cosmic Crystals
• Sealed Away
• Wolf Temple (sort of)
• Explorer's Corruption Study (sort of)
• Bak'al's Destruction 1 and 3

[rotund gust]

wait what about ice nations

[hybrid gazelle]

did not wolf temple for some reason show another bob grave?

[exotic yew]

wynncraft is located in tropical area confirmed

[drifting aurora]

there is one offhand seaskipper dialogue that mentions the ice islands were magically made by a warlock or something

[shut hornet]

wolf temple just regurgitates existing information and for some reason introduces a 2nd bob grave yea

[hybrid gazelle]

bob so cool he fake his death 2 times just to make sure

[shut hornet]

what about the snow blocks on the border mountains!!

[rotund gust]

christmas island? with santa n shit (unless those are counted as part of ice nations)

[drifting aurora]

thats part of ice islands

[rotund gust]

damn. theorick and mysterious unnamed warlock really did just hate the heat huh?

[exotic yew]

I mean, don't you?

[drifting aurora]

i like to think the unnamed warlock is santa. there is no canon reason for this. i just think it would be fun

[rotund gust]

staring at my AC being set to 50F (this is not a joke)

[exotic yew]

I am the warlock

[drifting aurora]

holy carp

[exotic yew]

why...

[rotund gust]

i hate heat

[exotic yew]

bro look ok I also hate heat but damn, 77F is plenty

[rotund gust]

nothing feels better than talking a nighttime walk during a midwest winter at like -15

[exotic yew]

unless you just bathed

[rotund gust]

i also have 3 fans running…

[exotic yew]

Electric bill 🥀

[rotund gust]

santa is theoricks dad that’s how he got the ice powers

[rotund gust]

worth any price

[shut hornet]

i checked his dialogues and there is no such thing

[drifting aurora]

it might be the location dialogue for ice islands

[rotund gust]

LETS GO NATURAL ICE!!! (unfortunately it’s on a set of 3 islands that would be irrelevant if it weren’t for the fact ice nations gives climbing helmet)

[drifting aurora]

im 100% sure this dialogue exists, i have checked it in the past

[kind lily]

I hope it isnt past tense

[rotund gust]

also weird connection. gavel is light, wynn is war, dern is dark, fruma is something. meanwhile the ocean has all 5 elements. Thunder and Air through corkus, Fire through volcanic isles, water through being an ocean, but also sanfric if we need to point out a specific spot, and the mark peak could be earth

like minor elements or something vs. the major ones of light dark and war

[drifting aurora]

i dont think its especially fair to say ocean specifically has all those elements when you can just as easily match them to locations in wynn or gavel

[rotund gust]

true, i just find it weird that the provinces have realms/element attached to them but the ocean doesn’t, or at the very least corkus doesn’t

[kind lily]

talk about lore was there an explanation on how the mountains just exists on the sides of the ocean technically making it a very giant lake

[rotund gust]

the ocean and corkus just sort of… don’t matter in the cosmology of wynn as we’ve had it explained to us so far with the war of realms

i suppose some are affected by corruption and/or darkness like skiens or dead island, but others aren’t, like mage island and corkus.

do those ones just not matter

[drifting aurora]

i think the border mountains should be handwaved as gameplay convenience

[rotund gust]

gavel and wynn have realms reflecting them, and derns weird but it is assumedly also a reflection of its realm of dark. Dern and gavel also have beasts. do none of the islands have that relationship with a realm or are we just meant to put them all under the “realm of war” banner with wynn, despite some of them not feeling the effects of the war of realms

[kind lily]

also kinda wanting information on if this is hopper is just, incomplete

[shut hornet]

whats behind that wall is really underwhelming

it used to work but the mobs that dropped the item to get in broke and its honestly not worth fixing

[candid fox]

ill fix it

[glad stirrup]

Uh no..? They play a very key part in the subtle lore hints about derns location

[shut hornet]

heres whats inside, if you must know. theres a t2 lootchest and thats all really

[glad stirrup]

https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/1260270883831025734

[shut hornet]

the blocks in the teki cave have literally zero meaning theyre just something a builder added randomly

[candid fox]

clearly they are digging to dern

[kind lily]

Tysm i hate hoppers

[glad stirrup]

That’s what you want us to believe because you’re upset that we figured out your long years of dropping hidden clues leading up to the big reveal when the dern update drops

[worldly holly]

holy shit lore channel

[pine flower]

Wtf did Nia tag say this time bruh

[quick elm]

huh?

[pine flower]

Idk this is what i see

[dim plover]

I wish the other two realms were given actual names

Why is Realm of Dern (ironically the most obscure and unknown one in-universe) the only realm with a name that isn’t just “Realm of <Influence Name>” lol

[hushed comet]

I agree I would like to be granted the context

[winter fjord]

New wynnguessr location fr

[stoic tree]

i love this place such a shame its inaccesible

[molten mural]

good place for a world event 🤑

[modest lagoon]

Open map and if you wander off too far you get a warning to return failing to do so makes you black out and return to tavernes or something with a message about drinking too much

[vapid peak]

I thought it was called Realm of Darkness, and the beast's name is Dern

[steel geyser]

Dern is the realm and Dern Beast is the beast, there’s not been a name for it yet

Also under technicality, Dern roughly translates to Darkness

[mossy pendant]

Those who lote

[vapid moon]

if u think about it dern backwards is nerd

just don't think too hard

[buoyant nexus]

erm actually

its nred

[buoyant nexus]

oh

[pine flower]

Your brain tricks you into thinking

[ornate imp]

Darkness -> Dess -> Dark fountain, is wynncraft part of the deltarune universe?

[pearl osprey]

Dern, Derner, yet Derner. The Dern keeps growing. The Nameless cutting deeper. Lari readings negative. This next expansion seems very, very interesting. What do you two think?

[cerulean osprey]

i wonder if we ever learn who or what was bob's father

or if it's only mentioned in some lore books etc

[hybrid gazelle]

tbh the only reason I think they use dern instead of dark is because
Light refer as the Light but that kind of name get weird when it come to dark

because the Dark usally being the Darkness
however it also sound odd because now you got the Light and the Darkness
However Lightness also sound weird

so it likely that they conclude that Dern probably better name to refer Dark as entity, faction or whatever

But if we want to give light a name similar to Dern, it probably Lux

[acoustic ledge]

I lowkey sometimes wanna come back to guild comm (with an alt) to ragebait properly but then I remember the promise I made to myself

[stoic tree]

@cerulean osprey neither lore nor discussion

[pine flower]

Wasnt bob adopted?

[rotund gust]

yeah momo adopts him after his mom dies in childbirth and becomes witherhead, idk if that’s still the lore or not

and she gives him the magic black dagger that he eventually is able to morph into the other 3 original class weapons too

[swift niche]

What is Quarton Core (the item) for ?

[dim plover]

I don’t see how that affects the question they are asking

Does him being adopted mean he can’t have had a father?

[twin sail]

gorje

[pine flower]

I mean that last i remember he had no adopted father (might be wrong)
And when it comes to biological fathers, there is usually also a biological mother
The phrasing of implies a specific interest in the father in spite of both biological parents not having much info about them
It does not affect the thought as much as question why specifically the dad is wondered about (all of the previous stuff is irrelevant if he had an adopted father)

[dim plover]

as much as question why specifically the dad is wondered about
Probably because the dad is the only one we have zero information on

(If Bob’s biological dad is a human I still want to know how he got together with an Olm in the middle of an active war period)

[rotund gust]

all we know about bob’s parentage is that he’s probably part Olm, his biological mother died in childbirth and is more than likely witherhead, and he was adopted by the poorest person in ragni, Momo

[dim plover]

It’s not likely, it’s literally just Witherhead

The “likely” was left in the dust like half a decade ago

So yeah question
Who was Witherhead’s partner

[dim plover]

@pine flower (Forgot to ping)

At least we know Bob’s mom, we fight her as the Decrepit Sewers boss

But his other parent has always been a mystery because they are never mentioned

[rotund gust]

i say likely just because i don’t remember what actually confirmed it, and i don’t want to spread misinformation on the internet

[dim plover]

Unless Olm produce without a partner idk
Would be funny but I don’t think Bob’s a full Olm

Full Olms are like freakishly tall so

[rotund gust]

aren’t most of them normal sized? the only one who doesn’t use a player model to my knowledge is garoth

[pine flower]

Ohh yeah that makes sense actually i for some reason though that was the adopted one, but prolly not

[dim plover]

Witherhead?

[rotund gust]

we don’t know if witherhead is the olm parent or the father though

[dim plover]

Also the two Olm skeleton bosses in the Time Valley world event that have similar height to Witherhead

[dim plover]

Witherhead’s a woman the game has stated this

Olm have black skeletons, anyhow
Every Olm corpse we have seen possess black skeletons regardless of situation

[rotund gust]

no my point is we don’t know if witherhead is olmic. she could be human and bob’s father is olmic

[hushed comet]

witherhead is an olm

[pine flower]

Though i feel like people wouldve made note of an oddly tall discoloured person dying while giving birth

[dim plover]

Have you seen Witherhead

[pine flower]

Did olm and humans just walk amongst each other at some point or smth

[dim plover]

She’s like twice our size

[dim plover]

Or like x1.5 our size

[rotund gust]

i mean yeah but none of the living olm we see in time valley or the SE secrets are tall, so unless they grow when they die that doesn’t mean anything

[pine flower]

Makes you wonder what Charon was before

[dim plover]

We can’t use older instances as canonical sizes since they use player models

That and new Garoth is technically kinda old in model

Regardless

Witherhead, the two Olm minibosses in the Time Valley World Event, all the skeletons in the Silent Expanse’s Graveyard of the Thousand

All black skeletons, all way taller than the player

We have plenty of updated examples of Olm corpses

Do you want me to find more examples of Olm skeletons in the game

[rotund gust]

maybe their skeletons are just bigger than them. Compressed by their bodies or somethin

[pine flower]

Surely

[dim plover]

What

[rotund gust]

we have a lot of living ones who are human sized, and dead ones who are big. Maybe their just compressed when their alive

[dim plover]

Did you like
Not read this

We have not seen an updated model of a living Olm yet

[rotund gust]

also the broken olm and awoken olm time troubles are normal sized

[dim plover]

They are?

[rotund gust]

yeah, they use player models

i went and checked the wiki before i sent that

[dim plover]

What

[stoic tree]

how high is the canonical player

[dim plover]

Oh wait no
Those aren’t the ones I was talking about

[rotund gust]

wait that’s fandom lemme double check .gg

[dim plover]

Those are old as hell

I meant the minibosses in Aeon Origin

(These guys)

I checked their textures, they’re literally just Witherhead’s model but with different accessories

[dim plover]

That being said I should also mention that the Wither Skeletons in the Bone Dragon lootrun challenge are the Graveyard of the Thousand

Their models were updated to fit the Olms’ freakishly tall stature so you might want to take a look at those too

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like if you want olm to being tall

you must accept the fact that human of Wynn somehow did not notice absurdly tall people

living among them

[dim plover]

Or they did and Bob’s biological father just rolled with it

[hybrid gazelle]

we never have mention of Bob's dad but we know for sure that not even people of Ragni in the sewer point out anything weird about Bob's mom

[dim plover]

They did say she had gray skin I think

[hybrid gazelle]

to them they just outsider and that literally it
if olms were to be taller than human it mut be just slightly taller

[hybrid gazelle]

no they never mention taht

[rotund gust]

if olm were just meant to be tall though wouldn’t they update a least a few living models? i suppose they haven’t added any living ones since 2.1 but still

[dim plover]

Kinda hard to think it’s “slightly” when the game (which now has the capabilities to construct size-accurate models, mind you) does its best to accentuate how tall the Olm corpses are

[hybrid gazelle]

they only mention Bob grey skin not his mom

[dim plover]

It takes time
They haven’t even updated Garoth’s model yet

[dim plover]

I see

[rotund gust]

garoth already uses a custom model why would they need to update it

[hybrid gazelle]

we can cahlk that up to they make olms big for dramatic effect like how Goliath are big despite being human corpse

[dim plover]

So the size matches? Lol

Orphion had a custom model and yet he was also updated for 2.0 what’s your point there

[dim plover]

Yeah but how do we know if the size is intended to be canonical or for dramatic effect

I’m more inclined to believe that the height is just literal tbh
Less assumptions that way

[hybrid gazelle]

well olms so far have 2 instance of blending among humans

[rotund gust]

true, but garoth wasn’t. “They haven’t updated it yet” isn’t evidence for things when there isn’t evidence that their ever meant to get updated

[hybrid gazelle]

that imply they are very human-like to the point that never record of people pointing out anything weird about them other than bob gray skin

[dim plover]

Are the other models being updated not evidence, though?

[dim plover]

Wait which is the other

[rotund gust]

true, but we have a lot more confirmed normal sized living olm than confirmed olm corpses. As trashie said there’s lots of undead who are weird sizes despite being human, maybe corruption just changes their size or something

[hybrid gazelle]

mysterious trader from Tempo Town

[dim plover]

Oh the shopkeeper right

[dim plover]

But the problem is that the normal-sized Olm are all older content

[hybrid gazelle]

so yeah just use the info that you have and see if it line up

does olms being overly biggger than human go against these 2 infos that we have of them

[rotund gust]

that doesn’t mean it’s invalid. If it hasn’t been changed or show signed of being planned to change then it’s still canon

[dim plover]

Graveyard of the Thousand is not corruption

[hybrid gazelle]

also Il ike to think that wynncraft work on bit of cartoony logic so some spieces can appear bigger than they should be
It like in JOjo

[dim plover]

Have we seen any instance of this happening in the game to this extent

[rotund gust]

yeah but graveyard of the thousand is even worse since the silent expanse is known to mutate things.

[dim plover]

Makes sense

[rotund gust]

corruption we can assume it mutates stuff darkness we know does that

[dim plover]

I suppose maybe you two might be right, it’s possible that Olm height isn’t what it is shown in-game

I can probably ping a CT to help clarify
Do we know who might know about this?

Probs Lex or smth

[rotund gust]

when in doubt samsam

also it’s not as good of evidence since he’s only part olm so it might just not be expressed, but bob is also normal height in cutscenes that use his modern skin and weapon

also wait tempo town was added in 1.20.2? it feels a lot more recent than that

[dim plover]

I gotta go sleep but she’s worth a shot

@shut hornet hai

Ok bye all I’ll check back in this channel tomorrow

[shut hornet]

olm height isnt something thats set in stone right now

[rotund gust]

:/

[hybrid gazelle]

Either that olms have wider height range compare to human

or they are slightly around human height

because anything else just would not make any sense consdier we have 2 instance of olms blending with humans

[mossy pendant]

Olms are like insanely smart no?

[rotund gust]

dern beast has insecurities about his height, that’s why only the tall ones died

[rotund gust]

more like adept with magic, we don’t have evidence their necessarily smarter, just more advanced with their magic

[mossy pendant]

If they are so smart then their brain to body ratio must be small soo smol men or megamind

[rotund gust]

and presumably that’s because they just had longer to develop their magic, given fruma making magic illegal for non-royalty

[hybrid gazelle]

that not how it work

[mossy pendant]

Mmm idk

[rotund gust]

no no, i think that is how it’s works

[hybrid gazelle]

so far we also did not have info about how olms look beside having gray skin but the fact that they able to blend in with human imply they are very human-like

[rotund gust]

grey skin, big foreheads, and a lot of them are bald

[hybrid gazelle]

also Olms did not really imply to be smart just magically advance

because in that case you imply that villager are smarter than huamn by average

and you also imply elves are smarter by humans and villager by average

[mossy pendant]

How much stx would it cost to register myself as a realm beast and get my realm in the realms of influence

[rotund gust]

and it’s not clear how the rules of magic work in wynn. Some people have it by birth like the twains, some study for it like grookwarts, and others harness magical substances to give themselves magic.

[lean wadi]

Why does bro want to be apart of the lore

[mossy pendant]

Also i think every species is smarter than humans on avg

[rotund gust]

might like d&d magic where’s there’s just lots of ways to access it

[mossy pendant]

Only corkians are smart humans

The Journey Beyond crew is peak human

[rotund gust]

don’t half of them die to random monsters

[mossy pendant]

Yes

[rotund gust]

peak performance

[hybrid gazelle]

No? everyone are eqaul intelligence did oyu miss the part where human survive 1000 years war

intelligence should not be judge by spieces base unless there are science behind it

[rotund gust]

only race we know are less smart than another are the gerts, and their just villagers who were changed by the purple & blue meteors

[mossy pendant]

Dont judge a gert by its pumpkin

[hybrid gazelle]

sapience is a tricky subject because some spieces simply just have different though process but they shouldbe consider lesser in intelligence

[rotund gust]

Elves, Doguns and Olm seem to be very magic adept, Villagers are good at it, humans and dwarves seem to be a mixed bag when it comes to magic adeptness

[mossy pendant]

I dont think dwarves do magic in dnd??

[rotund gust]

i mean their all about rock and stone and shit

[hybrid gazelle]

I think some peopel take on Orksfrom Warhammer 40K is a good example of this, even tho they are seemingly dumber than human, they actually just have different though process compare to human

[hybrid gazelle]

This is wyncraft tho

Dwarves c apable of doing magic in wynncraft if just culturally they dont really do it

[rotund gust]

yeah we see some use fire magic but that’s it

[hybrid gazelle]

in DND we literally see dwarves using magic in the festival

oh wait you mean DND the questI fucking hate wynncraft naming

[mossy pendant]

Wait oh yeah the fireworks i remember or the flame idk

[rotund gust]

we see some use fire magic in dnd and there might be some in the heights ultimate discovery? been a while since I’ve watched it

[mossy pendant]

Wait what did you think i meant

[rotund gust]

dungeons and dragons lmao

humans seem very magic adept, argueably more than the other races, but stunted in their development since it’s banned in fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

I think every spieces capable of being magic adept(even orcs capble of doing so), just take some mastery and learning with right materials

[rotund gust]

I mean, fruma has been said to have magic stronger than the other provinces, in a short time the corkians managed to catapult themselves into being the most advanced civilization through electro magic, multiple humans have changed the geography of entire regions like hashr’s father and theorick

[hybrid sundial]

💔 🥀

[rotund gust]

oh yeah and avos. We only see two of them ever actually use magic, being ava and that one who makes a leaf bridge in envoy 2. Maybe the phoenix prince too?

[winter fjord]

Feel free to (everyone in there deserves it ❤️)

[slender veldt]

Humans in Wynn and Gavel just has skill issues, i can use magic however i want

[regal spire]

Woah, when was this chat made

[slow notch]

a few days ago

[hybrid gazelle]

Humans are not native to gavel

and humans been able to use magic ever since villager came to teach them

[steel spire]

Who (or what) actually is Ensa?
Item names starting with "Ensa's" and the lore of the weapon Absolution seem related, but are there any other clues known yet?

[hybrid gazelle]

some items just have their own lore that has nothing to do with the world
items with old description tend to be like that

[drifting aurora]

ensa is just a lore character

you can put a few things together about him through item lores but he doesn't have much of a presence in the world

[hybrid gazelle]

Nilrem Syndrome

consider how the lore imply siege and stuff
maybe Ensa is a priest during corruption war

actually nvm forget that abosolution lore just kinda fuck that over
I have no fucking idea lMAO

" absolved of the atrocities committed by his hand.."
Highly dbout war against undead would be consider as atrocities

[rotund gust]

the majority of humans* hashrs dad (i do not remember his name) could use magic and the fruman aristocracy have also presumably been able to use it longer

[steel spire]

pretty sure Ensa was the first owner of abso

but then Ensa's Resolve (a bow)

[hybrid gazelle]

so far while we dont know how magic system work
the fact that villager arrive and teach human magic do imply that magic is a skill that can be learn

but yeah wynncraft magic system kinda
EXIST but also not because fuck grookwart lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah it just odd lore that probably outdated

[rotund gust]

i assume it’s like d&d magic. We only had sorcerers until the villagers came to wynn and taught it as a skill, like d&d wizards

[drifting aurora]

❌

[hybrid gazelle]

fair enough then IDK what the lore meant LMAO

it need to be a war where a city getting siege
apperanty Ensa who wield absolution must commit atrocities

oh Ensa probably got corrupted actually

"its gentle power was turned and twisted as his ideals and resolve were tested"

TBH the lore kinda fit the idea of Ensa being someone during corruuption war more

[rotund gust]

i could just be dumb but how do we know the “priest-scholar” in abso’s lore is Ensa

[hybrid gazelle]

and the fact that the weapon is fire magic kinda have that one going on?

[hybrid gazelle]

because Ensa desribe as being preist-scholar

[steel spire]

Ensa's Ideals (boots), Ensa's Resolve (bow)

[drifting aurora]

he's the only one ever referred to with that title

[rotund gust]

idk i don’t know any of the item lore stuff i haven’t had the time to go through and read them

[hybrid gazelle]

"The scholar-priest Ensa created this pendant as a personal prayer while his home was under siege. It is rumored to hold the key to enlightenment, but it is unknown as to how."

• Ensa's Faith

TBH items lore either banger like Immolation or

apocalypse which is like okay but why