📚lore_discussion

[fast egret]

https://tenor.com/view/cristiano-ronaldo-award-winning-walking-gif-24664103

[pure kraken]

so what will guild territories look like in fruma 😼

[rotund gust]

all one territory

[drifting aurora]

start of 2021 if we're being exact

[static mortar]

🔥

[pure kraken]

worse than se....

new material lvl 110 gathering

frumarium: somehow stronger than the fucking power of darkness

[rotund gust]

also, chat what do we think fruma is the realm of?

[static mortar]

wat

[pure kraken]

madness

[static mortar]

it turned into the realm of madness because of the community waiting for this update for 10 years

[rotund gust]

Wynn is war, Gavel is Light, Assumedly dern is darkness. And both corkus and the ocean… well their too small ig

[pure kraken]

corkus is tech and ocean is realm of magic trust trust

[rotund gust]

sanfric was actually the water portal trust

[static mortar]

would corkians unironically worship the omnissiah

[rotund gust]

mf’s would try to disassembly everything related to tech priests and reverse engineer it

[static mortar]

true

[rotund gust]

Do the other 5 elements even have realms? Light and Dark do, and that one random blacksmith Dren in journey beyond confirms light and dark are also elements

[graceful scarab]

who would win, the detlas military or a level 90 dogun

[pure kraken]

i love how a random ass blacksmith gave a massive plot twist 💔 🥀 wow light and dark are actually manipulatable elements!

[static mortar]

what levels are the detlas guards again

[rotund gust]

riddle me this dren, why doesn’t orphion deal light damage 😭

[pure kraken]

ong light and dark damage should be added as like extensions of neutral dmg

scale off of elemental% but have no items that buff it directly

[rotund gust]

doesn’t the monster we need to purify ourselves of dark for use thunder damage 😭

[spring kernel]

Darkness element is such a weird thing genuinely no clue why they put thay on tjere

[static mortar]

new id that adds raw light/dark damage

[pure kraken]

bypasses damage reduction, new True Damage in wynn is just light/dark

[static mortar]

THIS

make greg do dark damage instead

[rotund gust]

ngl journey beyond needs so many updates. make Dren make sense, and make it so i don’t have to shift to see elephaba’s liver get eaten

[night shuttle]

guys i think you are all wrong about the lari lore 🥺

lari told me the truth because we are just that close

[native river]

talk more bro
all ears for you

[rotund gust]

also why is orphions new pulse, the god of lights champion, not pure of darkness

[static mortar]

back on the lari topic, if she ever was ace i would've actually heard it been mentioned by some random at some point in the past 5 YEARS

[pure kraken]

ong???

[spring kernel]

Darkness element is barely even canon anymore

[west scroll]

no i made up the lari lore on the spot and she has a sister and that is who we secretly talk to sooooo

[half compass]

https://tenor.com/view/wynncraft-orphion-gif-523918968987929093

[native river]

i think if anybody would know its @night shuttle, he knows her personally

[night shuttle]

yes me and lari go way back

[static mortar]

is that dullahan on chat

[pure kraken]

worse. its peng

[rotund gust]

anything not said in game or in official media is a headcanon, even if it’s said by a writer (see jkr’s twitter as an example 💀)

[static mortar]

he finally got wifi on his mansion

[half compass]

do u know if she's looking for a partner atm (sorry idk much about nessak lore)

[native river]

wait if in secret @night shuttle is Dullahan and got ^

[static mortar]

whos twitter

[pure kraken]

ong, this is just as bad as retroactively saying a character is gay but giving absolutely 0 indication or hint as to the following in the media itself

[night shuttle]

as someone personally in touch with lari whatever i say is canon to the lore and story, so dont worry guys you are in great hands

[coral badge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1240662452652347452/1360548599498407956/attachment.gif
is this lore

[rotund gust]

j k rowling, harry potter lady. She says a lot about “this is actually canon to my story”

[pure kraken]

cooking with lari minigame fr

[static mortar]

ah j.k rowling

didn't vivze also pull shit like that with hazbin

[static mortar]

cooking with mama peta edition except it's lari

[rotund gust]

if they put a journal log of lari’s in the description of one of the ost videos saying “btw im ace” then that’s canon, but otherwise it’s just headcannons rn

[static mortar]

the ingredients are dern mobs or something

[gaunt notch]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-dog-brian-dog-cooked-wallahi-im-finished-cooked-dog-gif-1849480349705279416

[rotund gust]

yeah, lots of authors do retroactive canon stuff. it’s annoying

[night shuttle]

@river zodiac they dont believe i am canonically close to lari can we please clarify it in the next update for all the lore heads

[static mortar]

muted speedrun

[rotund gust]

please tell us how stinky lari’s feet are canonically

[gaunt notch]

fr we ALL need to know that

[graceful pasture]

Wait when tf is this a channel...?

[night shuttle]

it's okay tho guys i can understand how you all dont know this because it was only mentioned in a secret easter egg within the lari quest that only a few has managed to find, but yes i penglin, mr pengu himself is close to lari

[rotund gust]

since this morning

[pure kraken]

how close

[graceful pasture]

I see...

[rotund gust]

you didn’t answer my question

[static mortar]

i was on another tab and i came back, saw a thread for a split second, what happened

[static mortar]

3 hours ago

oh god i've been here for 2 hours and a half

[night shuttle]

as someone who considers lari as a very close person to me, i honestly cannot be bothered with these innapropriate questions.

[rotund gust]

understandable, this guy respects women

[rotund gust]

and it only just now became actually lore discussion 💀

[pure kraken]

@night shuttle how close to lari

[static mortar]

yeah about like 20-30 minutes ago lmao

[static mortar]

🤏 this close

[rotund gust]

do yall think we’ll ever get to break dullahans seal? rol 3 seems to hint at it at the end and then does nothing with it

[static mortar]

we are devolving again though

[night shuttle]

very close, we often talk and hang out, after everything that has happened to the story it is often good to have someone close to you to talk with so you dont spiral, everyone deserves someone to go through these hard times with

[static mortar]

we break the seal so we get his help for fruma but he betrays us and becomes the 7th sovereign

[pure kraken]

thoughts on dullahan?

[drifting aurora]

it'd be nice if we could eventually find a way for this to happen. the previous plans for it are unlikely to ever come to be at this point

[rotund gust]

why not just make it like a boss altar or something that opens after we beat RoL 5

[pure kraken]

ong

[static mortar]

leaving dullahan as a boss altar is a disgrace to him

[drifting aurora]

that would fall under "eventually find a way for this to happen," yes

[drifting aurora]

i kind of agree though

we'll have to wait and see

[rotund gust]

lari getting sent to where she does after RoL 5 the spell breaks the same way her transmission to us does, opening the path to a level like 85ish alter. 80-90 is already kinda lacking in altars so it would fill a content gap too

[rotund gust]

i mean, he really doesn’t justify a raid, and we already go through his mansion in RoL 3, so a dungeon wouldn’t really work either. unless it’s a boss secret like the lost avo city, boss altar is the best option

[static mortar]

it's very high copium but it'd be nice to see him getting involved in dern stuff after we break the seal or something

but lari's and dullahan's stories are probably joever so nah

[rotund gust]

also it could be justify where instead of an altar itself, the entry cost are materials used to break the seal fully after it was weakened by lari’s disappearance

[static mortar]

or dullahan just stays there forever and we get one fight scenario with lari in dern after she gets corrupted or something 🤷

[rotund gust]

dullahan is so set up to do something it would be a shame if he just rots in the castle

[static mortar]

runes!

[serene drum]

Major world event where you have to knock him out and restrengthen the seal?

[rotund gust]

yooo, we need 5 different runes, including Ek from fruma, allowing it to be a level 105+ altar.

[static mortar]

the CoW was sealed with the runes, what about ek being a seal for dullahan...though that's not elf magic so it's very headcanon

[rotund gust]

oh that would be cool. Gavel doesn’t have one. Although trying to balance two major world events might be hard given that people already hate dealing with Anni spawning at like 4am

[pure kraken]

Call me the Ek rune the way i go unused

[static mortar]

been in the pack files for years iirc

[rotund gust]

maybe a unique encounter like the first fight with Bane of the Great Bridge, with a world events/boss altar rematch?

[hexed nova]

Fruma will come with Ek rune right 🥺

Ek raid

[pure kraken]

Ek rune of destruction 🥰

[hexed nova]

Corrupted fallen factory will need 1 Ek rune plus key!?

[pure kraken]

ive always thought that Ek runes were like the rune of destruction :)

[serene drum]

I would argue it would make missing out on a world event less painful if there are more tho it might just end up being a random one every 3 days

[rotund gust]

true

[hexed nova]

EK ALTAR!!!

or like 2 tols for an ek 💀

which is um 16 az lol

[pure kraken]

or just make eks like

[hexed nova]

wait no

[static mortar]

or a major* world event every day with them being in 3 day cycles still (3 world events in this context)

[hexed nova]

8 az

[pure kraken]

a unique reward u gotta do somethign special to get

[dim plover]

What is this place

[rotund gust]

although he would need better rewards if he were a major world event than he would if he were a boss altar or unique encounter. that means probably like 5 new mythics like anni’s, or something unique like mythic armor or trinkets. Otherwise people would complain he’s just a less valuable anni (or just make him spawn once per day instead of once every 3 days, a more common less valuable anni)

[hexed nova]

Ek altar!

[pure kraken]

Dungeon called "Trial of the Ek", rewards u with 1 ek rune and random rewards

[hexed nova]

Which will cost remnants of the ruin to enter!!!

Ek altar seems possible if well designed

[serene drum]

Hm would need to heavily nerf the LE they give you and making 2 world events at once prob isnt doable

[static mortar]

where tol altar

[serene drum]

It also makes them less special if they happen too often

[hexed nova]

Honestly tol altars are so lame

[static mortar]

tol altar to get ek runes

[pure kraken]

make major world events stay 1 every 3 days but randomly cycles through possible ones

[hexed nova]

Annie 1 year dry streak

[rotund gust]

would be really unpopular at first, but also I like that

[serene drum]

yeah would def need to have some banger rewards which is prob the biggest problem

[pure kraken]

"OH SHIT, JESUS IS COMING OUT OF LAKE GYLIA! world event"

[static mortar]

anni every 9 days 🔥

[hexed nova]

@vocal frost you have a 🔥 reactor competitor

[static mortar]

nah it's king arthur

[hexed nova]

Very cool idea

[pure kraken]

im still astaunch fucking supporter of Lake Gylia NEEDING something

[rotund gust]

i mean apart from 5 new mythic weapons, maybe really good fableds or mythic accessories? (ex: a ton of negative id’s with a major id that grants two extra ability points)

[hexed nova]

Can we get a cataclysm every time e we finish gylias cataclysm

As a secret disco reward

[hexed nova]

2 ap doesn’t sound worth it tbh

And how would it work if u swap off

[rotund gust]

i’m spitballing ideas, didn’t say they were good

[static mortar]

-10 sp on all sp mythic necklace, gives 2 major ids

[rotund gust]

bane of the great castle, (it’s just dullahan version of the rickeo fight)

[hexed nova]

Seems cool still

[rotund gust]

automatically unequips the last abilities grabbed until you hit the normal amount of ability points

[static mortar]

🤯 the 2 major ids are related to light/dark damage

they turn all elemental damage into light/dark damage and something else

overall -50 sp

[serene drum]

Its not impossible but it might be hard to justify making him a major world event with these super cool rewards if he isnt strong enough in lore and also making human npc bosses is always harder to get looking cool

Tho im sure he could mutate or smth to give him some cool decay things

[lilac isle]

What new channel?

[static mortar]

dullahan just turns into a gigantic headless horseman

[static mortar]

since 3 hours and 30 minutes ago yes

[pure kraken]

• • Child of the Old Gods*
    Thunder, Water and Fire is converted to Light damage, which scales off of spell damage. Neutral, Earth, and Air is converted to Dark damage, which scales off of Melee buffs. Both damage types ignore elemental defences and scale off of all elemental damages.
    Dark. Light. All extensions of natural forces we cannot see, but which control our very beings.

[static mortar]

🔥✍️

[pure kraken]

😼

[static mortar]

🔥🔥🔥🔥✍️

[rotund gust]

i mean that’s why i think yall should make him a boss altar or unique encounter, you’re the one who brought up major world event

[static mortar]

bro wrote a whole ass item

[rotund gust]

maybe give him mythic trinkets? Trinkets feel a bit underutilized right now and anni drops the fire resistance one

The only other useful ones are all from festivals and half of them are worse 11/12 months of the year

[static mortar]

not even a whole month actually

[pure kraken]

well of power my beloved 💔

[shut hornet]

its really difficult to come up with good trinkets

theres only so many ideas you can come up with for them

also salted's against trinkets becoming too good, like meta for combat

its why speed surges had to die. they were meant for traveling around the overworld but ended up being too good in combat

[static mortar]

what about rune of accel or whatever it's called

[kind lily]

Im surprised there isnt a tag to allow in raids or not ngl

[shut hornet]

there is but even if we used it theyd still be problematic in other areas

[rotund gust]

fair, idk i always use ring of memories or craftsmas dinner anytime i go into a boss fight

[kind lily]

i dont think surges were that problematic outa raids(named tna)

[static mortar]

where were surges ever used outside of raids

[rotund gust]

If dulla were to become a major event, maybe make him a source of T7 powders? Or a different type of identification augment

[kind lily]

Me trying to walk to a spot on shaman

[rotund gust]

i used them all the time on slow walk speed builds

[static mortar]

new proposition: mid world events

[static mortar]

the olympic in my inventory in question:

[kind lily]

Multiplicative speed in question

[static mortar]

middle ground between major and normal world events (this is genuinely a terrible idea)

[rotund gust]

regardless yall gotta do something with dullahan. He hints at being fight able in game, he’s the most likeable character in the whole RoL questline, and he’s cool

[static mortar]

i already get 160 walk speed holy shi-

[rotund gust]

maybe a minor update after frumas out like how outer void was just kinda randomly dropped one day

[static mortar]

did we mention he's actually got brains

[rotund gust]

that to he’s one of wynns only intelligent characters (and the only intelligent elf)

[static mortar]

unlike a certain other elf (THAT IS STILL ALIVE AND UNCORRUPTED (until rol5))

[kind lily]

Surely fruma adds more characters we can like

[rotund gust]

Mfw elder prometheus literally caused every single problem in wynncraft

[serene drum]

I think a boss altar would work if we updated them properly with cutscenes etc. Rn most of them are kinda underwhelming compared to new content like raid bosses and major world events which is the vibe I think he should have

[static mortar]

i've done the quest once or twice, i cannot for the life of me remember the elder elves' exact names

[kind lily]

Aside of birch and oak

[rotund gust]

remove the altar itself, make the door in his castle the altar and instead of an entry cost have the player place runes against the wall like how CoW has a rune seal and you have to place the 4 gems in the mummy quest to open the wall. Then a minor cutscene and boom dullahan fight

[static mortar]

wait shit i might just agree with what lexnt said earlier if the boss altar was actually peak

[serene drum]

But yeah as lex said he will most likely get something one day

[static mortar]

and not just orange cybel type fight #300

[rotund gust]

i mean doesn’t rymek luke have an intro cutscene now?

[static mortar]

he does

but in the fight he doesn't have much else going for him

[serene drum]

mhm

[rotund gust]

yeah, just give dullahan something like rymek luke’s intro or bane of the great bridge jumping you

[rotund gust]

he’s difficult asf

atleast compared the the other altars at level

[static mortar]

is he though

i have not fought the guy in a while but i'm pretty sure i fought him with my archer at level

[rotund gust]

He is yeah. Especially on archer or shaman where he can basically two shot you no matter what (took me 7 attempts on my level 50 archer)

[static mortar]

is there a lvl requirement because if there is then i might have not

[rotund gust]

uhh idk, at level is 45 for him though (it might be like dungeons where you need to be atleast 5 levels under to enter?)

i haven’t tried going into boss altars more underleveled than that

[static mortar]

imma go fight him in a min

[rotund gust]

but also, if the other boss altars eventually get the glow ups that sunrise canyon and bovine barn got then dullahan would fit in with the altars.

anyway lore channel

[static mortar]

yeah it derailed since an hour ago 😭

[rotund gust]

dullahan is so cool he derailed a whole channel

[visual solstice]

fuck lari dulla goated

[static mortar]

meta level character

[serene drum]

Idk not a mod but it was lorey enough

[static mortar]

4th wall-breaking pataphysics scp type shit

[serene drum]

(surely)

[static mortar]

dullahan is the real dern beast

[rotund gust]

mmm, yall fw the fruma is to dern what gavel is the RoL theory? i’ve seen a couple people throw it around

[visual solstice]

explain

idk about this theory

[static mortar]

i mean if we go by rol4's visulization it makes sense

[rotund gust]

Wynn = Realm of War
Gavel = Realm of Light
Fruma = Realm of Dern/Darkness

[static mortar]

gavel (light) is at one end, fruma's (dern) at the other and ragni (war) is in the middle

[rotund gust]

idk much evidence about it i’ve just seen people in like pfinder parties throw it around

[visual solstice]

I feel like this could correlate to dern but not directly considering there is a portal in SE

[rotund gust]

i think fruma will be realm of magic or realm of order, but it’s possible maybe?

[pure kraken]

new item leak gang
Syzygy
-5 Strength
-5 Dexterity
-5 Intelligence
-5 Defence
-5 Agility

• 1-10% Damage

• -1-10% Spell Damage
• -1-10% Melee Damage

• Child of the Old Gods*
  Thunder, Water and Fire is converted to Light damage, which scales off of spell damage. Neutral, Earth, and Air is converted to Dark damage, which scales off of Melee buffs. Both damage types ignore elemental defences and scale off of all elemental damages.
  Dark. Light. All extensions of natural forces we cannot see, but which control our very beings.

[static mortar]

what if se and fruma were one and the same at some point

[static mortar]

insert fire reaction, insert cinema gif

[gusty wyvern]

Oh finally a pointless channel that I can mute

[visual solstice]

that would be too op if it were actually added

[quartz mist]

I'm gonna be real, when I was writing Orphion's dialogue I didn't intend "pulse" to be a title. like, you could replace it with "friend" and the exact same intent would be kept. I just used the word because it was more detached and dramatic rather than because it was a Status

[pure kraken]

ouahughhghhhh im pulse

[static mortar]

i said -50 overall sp (-10 each) earlier, what about that?

[visual solstice]

well mID yes but overall okay

[pure kraken]

major isnt thaaaaat op trust its mythic trust

[visual solstice]

u got any hints for fruma my guy?

[quartz mist]

lari was intended to be written as ace, we just didnt have any real space to drop that info specifically.

[visual solstice]

man fuck lari tryna reason with parasite

[static mortar]

dullahan really got the mario and peach treatment huh 🥀

[visual solstice]

lol true tho

[rotund gust]

i mean that can be the intent, but unless it’s actually stated somewhere official it’s not canon yet.

[static mortar]

^^^what we've been saying the past 3 hours

[visual solstice]

anyways what other theories do we have about fruma

I think the final boss in fruma might be the queen or some darker power taking over her

[rotund gust]

something something death of the author

[quartz mist]

That's not really true though, when us as the writers say that something is the case of a character that falls under the concept of "word of god" to quote the tvtropes article

[static mortar]

it has to be the queen, did you not see the shit her knights are pulling inside the fruman walls

[visual solstice]

yea think about it. The queen might be a kind ruler but is taken over by a darker force to gain more powder

[static mortar]

powder? t7 powder confirmed

[visual solstice]

that's why iron fist in fruma

[visual solstice]

T6 powder specials?

holy

honestly wind prison does NOT need a T6

that bit i'll say

[static mortar]

not really when in-game we see lari desperately trying to save dullahan and then sealing him for his own good after she fails miserably, until we get new info from dern or a rewrite or a secret discovery or something that confirms lari is ace in-game then that's that

[serene drum]

I mean heard of friends?

[static mortar]

tbf you can save your friends but they don't really feel like they're written like friends

[rotund gust]

from tv tropes on word of god. Unless it’s actually in a canon source it’s almost like the authors headcanon. It’s more valuable then fanon of a story, but it’s still not canon

in this case, lari being ace is the most correct reading, since that’s authors intent, but other readings aren’t necessarily wrong either since their not contradicted in canon

[serene drum]

Doesnt feel like it would make any sense to think otherwise if writters could add a book saying lari is ace and everyone would need to work with that from now

[static mortar]

inb4 we get in-game salted npc coming from the heavens saying "lari is ace" in a random event related to bovemist members

[rotund gust]

word of god is a gray area between canon and fanon. Lari being ace is in that gray area right now

[static mortar]

(by random event i mean a random event, not a secret discovery or a quest or something)

[west scroll]

the fallacy of "this character is x and y, but why would you even care if you dont like it!" is so tiresome its genuinely insane

[pure kraken]

have a befuddled npc in the swamp area go "how do elves reproduce??? the only one ive seen isnt interested in anyone...."

[static mortar]

🔥 ✍️

[west scroll]

if it isnt relevant to the character, their actions, or the storyline, why does such a thing need to be written into the character's story other than the writer projecting or trying to dunk on people

[rotund gust]

i mean i don’t care about lari being ace i will hate her regardless, im debating this on the principle of word of god vs. ambiguous canon

[static mortar]

i agree with endyre, lari is still awful either way

[west scroll]

same point applies to any ct history rewrite for the purpose of dunking or self inserting

[shut hornet]

this isnt a history rewrite though this is just lore that existed before she was even added but isnt really mentioned

[serene drum]

Same reason you can give your character other small details that dont matter much

[rustic nexus]

I write a story in which my character is never said to know or don't know how to swim. Does it mean the character can swim or not? Well the story doesn't involve swimming, it doesn't matter if they know how to swim, adding that info would just be confusing in the source material since it doesn't have any payoff and ends up useless, so the next best thing is to ask the author. So why are we making a big deal of if Lari is ace or not and if it's in-game knowledge or not

[rotund gust]

i mean that’s well and good, but if your character never swims in the book and you go on twitter saying “btw my character can swim” that’s not equal to other canon info about the character

[shut hornet]

sometimes its just nice to have a character that is x for the sake of representation, although in some cases like with being ace its kind of difficult to do it properly without it just being a side note if you dont get into the struggles of the ace experience

[west scroll]

^^^

[static mortar]

actually wait nah fuck it lari is ace now. dullahan deserves better than having her as a love interest in either way

dullahan x player here we gooooooooooooooooooooo

[west scroll]

you're just agreeing with me lol

[static mortar]

both the player and dullahan dislike lari for her actions therefore perfect ship

[shut hornet]

this whole argument is kinda not very worthwhile

[rotund gust]

i mean it’s not good representation if only a handful of people who read discord logs know about it

[vagrant mason]

are you guys discussing whether or not pixels are asexual

[static mortar]

yes

[west scroll]

me when i drop the argument because the person on the other side may be right...

[static mortar]

ct says lari is ace, community is saying she is not. debate in a nutshell

[rustic nexus]

it's not really important to the story, saying it in game would be more jarring than ct saying it's the case, and it's very unlikely this info will be put directly into the game

so just... accept it???
move on?

[shut hornet]

objectively she is ace but youre free to your own interpretation if you really want

[rotund gust]

i don’t think anyone in the conversation anymore actually care about lari’s sexuality. everyone left cares more about the principle of it being revealed via discord as canon

[vagrant mason]

who give a damn 😭😭😭😭😭

[west scroll]

which is exactly what i said.

why does such a thing need to be written into the character's story other than the writer projecting or trying to dunk on people

[shut hornet]

dont see why you really care.. like.. at all

[west scroll]

well well well...

[shut hornet]

its not a fallacy just because you say it is

[vagrant mason]

unnecessary detail to add to a minecraft mmorpg character’s lore

[static mortar]

everybody in this argument is wrong. lari is canonically not/alive and we will break dullahan's seal and kiss him and go fight dern beast or some shit

[limber swan]

thats probably the best way to have Dullahan's seal be broken honestly

[rotund gust]

then why make it a thing at all? why make it a piece of lore anyway if it’s not worthwhile enough to even put in game

[shut hornet]

like i dont disagree with your point but its just not a worthwhile point to even make

why even complain. move on

[rustic nexus]

why not
what if my character can swim but the story I've written them into doesn't include swimming
people are not one dimensional cardboard cutouts, having something extra about a character that makes them a little bit more believable as an individual is a good thing in my opinion. just because I'm helping you move your belongings to a moving van doesn't mean I have to tell you my life story, why I'm the way I am etc

[vagrant mason]

dawg we agree why r u asking me ts

[static mortar]

it's taken me 4 hours to realize i called samsam's pfp tammy when in actuality it's the deltarune deer thing that goes genocide route with ice powers one time

[rotund gust]

mb i just like arguing

[rustic nexus]

I will say though realm of light does need a rewrite and maybe rework

[shut hornet]

who the fuck is tammy

[vagrant mason]

can we add to the lore that bakal is a d1 freak

[static mortar]

i wrote it wrong. tammie

[rustic nexus]

maybe something about her being ace can be put into realm of light 3 (if the quest was made to tie into the questline it's in better)

[static mortar]

didn't even look it up i just remembered

[rustic nexus]

since it does also focus heavily on the bond between lari and dullahan

[vagrant mason]

why the fuck would that be part of a quest 😭😭😭

[west scroll]

"i am bringing up random things i made up about this character. also who cares if i bring up random things about this character?"

you are the one bringing up the random meaningless self projection that was written into it then expecting people not to be confused why this matters if YOU'RE bringing it up lol

[static mortar]

FUCK it's temmie!

[rotund gust]

lmao

[rustic nexus]

mentioned in a throwaway line or something, if it's this big an issue that it's not in the game

[limber swan]

NO ITS ROUXLS KAARD

[west scroll]

i mean that’s well and good, but if your character never swims in the book and you go on twitter saying “btw my character can swim” that’s not equal to other canon info about the character
@rotund gust

[rotund gust]

huh

[shut hornet]

now what i will agree with is that its kind of pointless to point at peoples fanart and go "well erm thats inaccurate actually since lari is ace" because it isnt stated ingame so how the fuck were they supposed to know that

[static mortar]

so why the fuck should she be ace then

[vagrant mason]

can you put on the wynn tag so everybody knows to add you to ignore list from first encounter

[west scroll]

i was quoting you 🔥

[rotund gust]

w

[pure kraken]

it doesnt have to be part of the story line, itd be nice to have some(?) information, theres a shitton of means of information in game

[shut hornet]

her being ace was originally going to play more of a role in her character i would guess

[static mortar]

originally.

[west scroll]

why this has no bearing on the story and does not seem like it would be interesting in the slightest

[vagrant mason]

minecraft mmorpg btw

[static mortar]

that means she was rewritten. THEREFORE NOT THE ORIGINAL LARI ANYMORE

[shut hornet]

is it even worth complaining about though

[rotund gust]

yes.

[west scroll]

you brought it up so yeah?

[shut hornet]

if its so childish then why are you still here playing it

[shut hornet]

it literally means nothing either way

[west scroll]

like if in your headcanon she is ace go for it dawg ✌️but you brought it up and now you're acting surpised people think its dumb to add meaningless sexualities to characters (minecraft server btw)

[shut hornet]

i wasnt the one who brought this up

.. i think. wait no. was i

[west scroll]

you brought up that she was ace 🤷

[shut hornet]

i was yeah. they asked what lari's type was and i responded

[hidden dove]

this dude dont evne know anymore

[rotund gust]

but also; look at maxie. He’s a gay character. If you said pre-breaking point that he was gay in this discord, that wouldn’t be canon. It’s not said in game and even if that’s the intent it’s not brought up. Now it’s in game and so no matter what his sexuality isn’t open to headcanon, he is a gay character in canon

[shut hornet]

i do apologize for not remembering the worthless shitshow that was this chat upon creation

[daring cloak]

holy FUCKING shit its been several hours and you guys are still on lari being ace

[rotund gust]

no we gave up for a bit and came back now that the people who are freaky about it are gone

[vagrant mason]

not that the game has to be like 100% no mentions of anything bla bla, i just don’t see how adding a detail like that would add any depth to the plot line

[west scroll]

@hidden dove I think you are stupid as hell. I will not clarify, why do you care that I am bringing this up? Why does what I am saying matter to you so much?

[vagrant mason]

lowkey i’m actually a big realm of light fan. first playthrough was awesome

[pure kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[rustic nexus]

I think it should be hinted at in rol3 by dullahan, not exactly stated since it would be jarring to say it outright, and then leaving it at that and confirming it and not having to go on this ramble again

[shut hornet]

it honestly doesnt need to be stated and itd be weird to state it imo

[rich scarab]

i am actively losing braincells by the second reading this
who cares if the creator of a character has given it extra details that arent (yet) explored/mentioned in the medium

[shut hornet]

its such an unnecessary detail

[rustic nexus]

it would be but it's clearly a big issue that it's not
somehow

[rotund gust]

then why is it being stated on the discord? just leave it up to interpretation

[west scroll]

you brought it up LMFAOOOOO

[static mortar]

"i loved her but she rejected me" or something would completely solve this scenario

[shut hornet]

because someone asked

[static mortar]

during one of his rambles in the castle

[west scroll]

"my friend did it so i did it as well" ahh response

[vagrant mason]

thank god some of these mfs aren’t on ct

[hidden dove]

@dusky oriole ok punish this user off topic message

[pure kraken]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071611874505928832/1268030485720993912/gifkitties_-_1751470205652332749.gif

[rustic nexus]

not to mention dullahan in the flashbacks did show a sort of reliance to lari, esp after his decay began, so like wanting to be closer wouldn't really be that out of line if written right

[west scroll]

me when im in a mental rewrite competition and my opponent is a wynncraft writer self inserting

[pine phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/my-apologies-cheese-kitty-cat-sorry-my-bad-gif-1026852287997442026

[serene drum]

Gotta be bait

[shut hornet]

its not even a self insert i dont think any ace people wrote lari

[rustic nexus]

idk I just feel if this is info that is wanted to be confirmed, it wouldn't hurt to have a very small hint at it to suggest it's actually part of her character

[pure kraken]

i dont think anyone wrote lare

[shut hornet]

why the fuck is this still being discussed can we stop

[static mortar]

i will pull a wild card: nuh uh

[remote river]

Oh joy, a Lari topic….

[rustic nexus]

can y'all talk about like, fruma

[west scroll]

holds no bearing over who she is or her actions lol

this has to be the reason some of wynn's dialogue is so corny

[rich scarab]

there are so many better things this channel could be used for than a multiple hour argument about lari's sexuality 😭

[rustic nexus]

true

[rich scarab]

this channel might single handedly revive wynntheory

[pure kraken]

not really

[rustic nexus]

nah, it'll remain mostly dead, I can see the future

[lime edge]

video games

[rustic nexus]

SO TRUE JBIP

[static mortar]

yes what about the fact we could date gale since her husband is canonically dead...wait oops she's actually ace my bad

[rotund gust]

https://tenor.com/view/big-worm-friday-bigworm-gif-18095378

[west scroll]

loreheads be like: yep, this wiki page of dialogue sure inspires me

[pure kraken]

i disagree

[rotund gust]

who tf cares about lari’s sexuality, this is about random lore drops on a discord being considered canon information

[pure kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-change-your-ways-deep-meaning-serious-the-gif-14128459904087667281

[west scroll]

how is it possible to be SO in sync with another user in a debate like this holy shit we are mentally linked

[frank flicker]

i hope lari is in fruma 🙏

[swift saddle]

dwarves > elves

[west scroll]

yrry bean vc rq

[rotund gust]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[shut hornet]

i dont disagree that we should put stuff ingame instead of dropping it on discord but like sometimes a question is asked and we respond honestly. im pretty sure it doesnt go on the wiki either way

[frank flicker]

l take honestly, dwarves have been so overtly racist its crazy

elves atleast hid themselves instead of massacering an entire species

[west scroll]

i think instead of writing meaningless plot points (then dropping them in discord) we should write good lore...

[hidden dove]

@vagrant mason can i have the general lore of the mountains

[static mortar]

salted one day: ah actually the dern beast and light beast are actually a divorced married couple and the whole war is their arguments over who gets child custody this week (then it never gets mentioned ever again and there's not even info in-game suggesting this at all for 5+ years)

[rotund gust]

i mean it’s fine to answer questions about thinfs that aren’t in game, but those answers being considered canon is the issue, in this case lari ace being canon

[static mortar]

this is what we're discussing because it's so hilariously bad

[frank flicker]

which mountains in wuestion

[rich scarab]

the most important thing for writing good stuff is writing good characters, part of writing good characters is thinking of so many small details that you cant possibly have missed anything and you could put that character into any situation ever and you'd know how they'd react

[dusky oriole]

i would but there are too many people right now

[jade citrus]

Will qira lore be expanded in fruma

[static mortar]

qira is actually the fruman queen 🔥 ✍️

[west scroll]

small details are fine so long as they contribute to who the character is as a whole

sexuality does not really matter (this is a server kids play on keep in mind)

[hidden dove]

her mountain

[rustic nexus]

unlikely, I feel
probably will remain isolated in her hive

[static mortar]

i just realized again for the third time i paused and then never unpaused my background song

[shut hornet]

and sexuality is inappropriate, somehow?

[torpid marten]

yeah, as it turns out

[west scroll]

yeah?

[pure kraken]

and i mean come on at least choose aro not asexual, cant really have proper sexuality on block game

[torpid marten]

blood and gore is way more child friendly than
romance 😱

something something society

[shut hornet]

i suppose in a way it kind of is. but also youre not seriously going to make the argument that maxie and rhay being gay is something kids shouldnt see

[rotund sphinx]

A character's sexuality can be important if it ties into who they are and their story
But at the same time it usually doesn't define the character to the point where it's a defining feature

[frank flicker]

I feel like qira having a mysterious backstory adds alot more to her than if it was something fully explored, also hard to add more into her character when she has hidden herself from society for such a long time

[torpid marten]

usually if it's a defining feature of a character they're shallow as fuck

[rich scarab]

if you're only writing a character as defining features, you're writing a caricature

[rustic nexus]

I think this conversation is gonna take a wilder turn, so for both of your's sakes id suggest just. dropping the topic, it's clear nothing good will come out of it

[hidden dove]

bohooo

[shut hornet]

its kind of a different situation here because with asexuality it gets broken down more usually

[static mortar]

nah she's roleplaying as the fruman queen in her off days

[pure kraken]

just say aro instead of ace and its easier to fit in fr

[shut hornet]

like yeah saying she's aro would be more appropriate

[pure kraken]

or both

[torpid marten]

honestly sone I'll be real, you say "both of your sakes" but really it's not like ct are capable of getting punished.
I'm not saying samsam SHOULD be here, but like. that's just how it is. the bar is much, much higher there
-# assuming ur referring to ye and samsam idk I kinda joined in late

[rustic nexus]

enough people were murdered in this channel's first day (even if some were deserved)

[dim plover]

Someone called?

[rotund gust]

yeah we’re moving away from the canon vs. word of god and more into “is lgbt child appropriate”

[frank flicker]

I feel like a character’s sexuality is something deeply personal to it’s lore regardless of which way it swings, feels as if a good character can be looked upon as something human and it’s impossible to say a real person’s sexuality isn’t deeply important to their general way of being

[rotund sphinx]

In this situation, cool the character is aroace that's a neat little tidbit of lore. Does it seriously affect the character so much that we have to argue about it existing in the server?
No

[pure kraken]

muted for off topic

[west scroll]

cts will really sit here and write worse dialogue than pre-1.14 quests then condescend to you about how sexuality can matter in a character (minecraft server btw)

[static mortar]

shit i cannot for the life of me remember right now if at one point in time you said something similar to what i said

if you did that's probably where i got the idea from

[torpid marten]

but yeah idk how this is still a topic after like, six hours

[rotund sphinx]

Its a nice thing to have that makes the character feel more real
Its not the be all end all but its cool to see there

[west scroll]

like perhaps we should focus on writing quests to be interesting and engaging rather than focusing on meaningless points (we will not insert it into the game and instead just drop it randomly in discord)

[static mortar]

4ish*

[torpid marten]

yeah that's more accurate

[fossil plaza]

hello have we solved the lore yet

[rich scarab]

in this context im fairly sure most people are talking mainly about romantic orientation

[frank flicker]

I mean it is a topic because people are still arguing it instead of realising you’re never gonna convince eachother

[drifting aurora]

???

[rotund sphinx]

One of the major people continuing is the self-proclaimed #1 guild community chatter
That should tell you all you need to know

[torpid marten]

I mean I said what I have to earlier, being tldr who fucking cares

[rustic nexus]

currently, it wouldn't be a big deal, but if the conversation became more heated I could see a situation where even she got punished
also I just want this topic to end

[torpid marten]

like it's the most nothing burger thing

[static mortar]

all we have solved is that kris deltarune is canon because oblivion and edward elric mentioned in outervoid

[hidden dove]

dude your one word away from airing dirty laundry

[pure kraken]

yeah lari doesnt fuck

[hidden dove]

just mention that one server and ur done gg

[west scroll]

same point applies to pretty much anything but the point is less about this and more about the fact that certain cts will drop this kind of "lore" dump for pretty much no purpose

[rotund gust]

i mean, i just don’t like the idea of random selvut discord messages being canon 🤷‍♂️

[rotund sphinx]

Given by how she treated Dullahan I could have told you that

[shut hornet]

i could be punished internally its true

[frank flicker]

I mean you say this, but then you go on to argue about the point so show that you clearly do care about it. if it was something you truly didn’t care about you wouldve surely just not talked about it?

[static mortar]

the context: i posted these earlier i made them in like 2m tops in their respective moments

[ancient aspen]

Did diddyblud find his bloxfruits

[torpid marten]

I agree but like, this is beyond that I thinmk

like I think we're just arguing for arguing's sake

[static mortar]

the most effort i've put into something this week

[rotund gust]

i don’t really care about her sexuality.

[west scroll]

holy real bro...

[torpid marten]

I don't care, it doesn't matter for the game OR fan shit, and I don't think ct word on discord should be de facto lore

[rotund sphinx]

but also like, is it really a big deal if a character's sexuality is canon?
Like, neat. You can still do whatever for fan work because its a FAN work, you don't have to stick to canon!
There's no point in being offended by it, it only matters as much as it affects the character's writing and story

[torpid marten]

like it's not that deep I think

[pure kraken]

yeah let people write their yuri femboy fanfics in peace

[hidden dove]

its more important to know a sexuality of a character thru discord then know why they are so power yet they do picnicks

[rotund sphinx]

This is one reason I despise the One Piece community but I will not go off topic further

[static mortar]

this was the original argument but then it evolved into the fact that the canon is being spread via DISCORD instead of it actually being in-game

[frank flicker]

I think it would be way smarter to just say you don’t like the sexuality being important and then move onto a more important topic like the fact that the player is basically a psycopath

[torpid marten]

this has been an argument for like, ages

[west scroll]

glad people instantly jumped to warning "us" (me) i will be punished if i speak out about it

they're more focused on the sexuality point than the point they just meaningless facts into characters (will not be brought up), bring it up out of nowhere (they brought it up) then say "WHY DO YOU CARE!! WHY DO YOU CARE!!!" when people call them on it 💀

[rich scarab]

and it isnt like ct is butting into any fanart portraying lari as not-ace and going "erm akshually lari ace", this is the only time i've ever heard about it and it was someone asking "whats lari's type" and a ct answering

[west scroll]

this is not the first time a ct has made up random lore on the spot and it is suddenly canon and if you disagree be quiet dissident

[shut hornet]

im not asking "why do you care" like its some sort of gotcha im asking why you care because its genuinely tiring to talk about and it really doesnt matter

[rotund gust]

i wasn’t even in the original arguement at the start of the channel about lari sexuality since it fr doesn’t matter

[pine phoenix]

guys i have to admit i dont want to know what lari's type is anymore. now dullahan on the other hand... 😍 😍😍

[pure kraken]

MEN!

[torpid marten]

I missed this reply, I'm just really bored and lack good things to do with my time (I should go to bed tho)

[rotund sphinx]

My opinion on this is its "soft canon"
As a hobby writer myself, there's a lot of things I put into character writing that never shows up in the story. If someone asks me about it, I'm glad to tell them and yap more about the writing I did. But its not hard canon, its just what I believe and at the end of the day you can interpret the character how you want. If you want to be faithful to the creator its nice soft info to have but also you can just ignore it.

[rotund gust]

it’s the fact that the word of ct on discord was used to settle it that i take issue with

[dim plover]

I joined in at a random time and am missing all context
What’s up

[rich scarab]

yes im not saying that im saying specifically about this - in general i disagree with ct making lore up on the spot and insisting its canon but if they arent butting into every conversation and constantly "correcting" you on it then you can simply ignore it

[pine phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/909424589082329158/1357188986078232808/explode.gif

[remote river]

Leave and come back in an hour or so and spare yourself

[west scroll]

because it's happened more than once with cts just dropping random "canonical" "lore" dumps (source: self insert idea generated by their brain .3 seconds ago)

[static mortar]

we're arguing lari somehow being ace and that this info was spread by cts ON DISCORD instead of in-game

[hidden dove]

lari is a literature horror and that triggers ct and cmt

[rotund gust]

hold on i have something to add to this i just need to scroll up a bit

[torpid marten]

dullahan's type is people who actually listen to him and dont fuck shit up despite being friends with a god damn futureseer

[rotund sphinx]

Like I don't see why people have to make a big deal about ct answering questions about lore in the LORE CHANNEL

[rustic nexus]

real and true

[hidden dove]

c an i get lore on whats flare type

[shut hornet]

this is how i view it

[jade pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/why-what-in-the-hell-oh-god-pizza-house-on-fire-gif-15536410

[dim plover]

I haven’t read everything here but if this is about her pacifism I would say it’s pretty justified tbh

[torpid marten]

it's not

[dim plover]

Funny world-ending insect and she doesn’t stomp it for like 1000 years

[fossil plaza]

That’s actually exactly what it’s about

[static mortar]

@dim plover i also made this and it's probably the best thing in the entire channel (in shitpost context, because pins actually has a lore post)

[rotund sphinx]

Lari is poorly written anyway imo but that's not the point

[rustic nexus]

the whole questline needs work

[dim plover]

Uh

Okay?

[west scroll]

for my next trick... i will write meaningless plot points about a character, tell people about them, then act outraged and confused why they're still asking me why that plot point even exists

[rotund gust]

#📚lore_discussion message

[rich scarab]

its about someone asking "whats lari's type" and a ct saying "shes ace"

[pine phoenix]

@hybrid sundial

[rotund sphinx]

It got a rework XD

[static mortar]

that's more or less what's been happening in #📚lore_discussion

[rustic nexus]

I love having a weed joke in my emotional climax of the story

[dim plover]

That’s cool and all but it not exactly plot-relevant
Idk why people are mad at it only being told via external sources

[celest jetty]

meh its just rol4

[shut hornet]

no i understand your confusion because it truly does serve no purpose i just dont know why youre still continuing this conversation when it literally means nothing

[static mortar]

(we also managed to go into a proper lore discussion for about an hour and then we devolved again like an hour and a half ago)

[dim plover]

Like, her being ace or not changes nothing in the story

[hybrid sundial]

uoohhhh 😣

[rotund sphinx]

That's more or less what I'm saying

[torpid marten]

something something not because its told thru external sources but because it's treated as being canon despite being from external sources

[west scroll]

(the person acting confused is you btw)

[shut hornet]

yeah, i know

[remote river]

Ct revealing lore on discord isn’t anything new, been happening for years

[dim plover]

Why are people being mad about that

[fossil plaza]

@thin vector are you a threat to the community in the lore

[hidden dove]

god dangit i stand no chance

[jade pollen]

Are we arguing the canonicity of stuff in the same server that has you rescue cow people that come from outer space

[shut hornet]

idk. rage bait? at this point it might be

[torpid marten]

arguing is fun, or so I thought when I was 16

[dim plover]

If the CT who made Lari said that then it’s still canon, no?

does something need to be mentioned in-game for it to be canon

[dim plover]

I can agree with that

I like drama and chaos

[rotund sphinx]

Ngl most of what the "guild community chatters" say is ragebait
Reason I perma muted that channel

[torpid marten]

I mean in this case who do you attribute to being like, the person who says that. who is "the author" of lari?

[celest jetty]

there is a disctinction between canon and official sources

[dim plover]

(Unless I’m part of the drama)

[west scroll]

"why do you care about this (self admittedly) meaningless fact that i meaninglessly brought up???"

[rustic nexus]

that's what void walker mentioned about soft canon

[dim plover]

Is there?

Idk if the creator of a character says something is canon I just treat it as the same level of canonicity as in-game events

[rotund sphinx]

Its "canon" in the sense of that is what the author intended
It is not "canon" in the sense of that's what is in the story

[rich scarab]

someone asked a question and she said that as an answer it isnt like she brought it up out of the blue unprompted or to some fanart or something 😭

[dim plover]

Who created Lari, anyway?

[rotund gust]

for anyone who just showed up, this arguement that’s been going on for the past few hours boils down to: A CT earlier said lari is ace on this discord, although there is no ingame evidence, should this be taken as canon, is it fanon, or where in the grey area between does it lie

[rustic nexus]

she was answering a question, no?
wasn't that what sam said earlier, that they mentioned it because they answered a person's question

[pure kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stuck-in-door-cat-gif-914805063408606222

[rotund sphinx]

You can be faithful to the story and still go against the author's wishes cause the author thinks more about their world than they put into the story

[static mortar]

mainly for me it's because it's only been mentioned now instead of the past 5 years in a discord conversation

[rotund sphinx]

So true bruh

[rotund gust]

yeah some of this has turned into CT writing hate. idk how

[night shuttle]

imo lari's story and personality was actually decently written considering what kind of character was being written

[frank flicker]

is there any hope of seeing how dark forest turns out after the players actions or would something like that be too annoying to make? would be quite fun to see

[static mortar]

i have genuinely never seen a ct mention this until today

[dim plover]

Salted I haven’t seen you in weeks

Is now an appropriate time to ask some weird dev questions

[rotund gust]

well it’s wynn discord everything turns into hating the CT somehow

[drifting aurora]

i think people like to have an excuse to do it

[celest jetty]

lets turn this into powerscaling discourse fr 🔥

[dim plover]

Nvm anyways uh
I guess people treat canonicity differently from each other

[swift saddle]

i hope there are no npc's in fruma

[remote river]

If I had a dollar for every time I saw people hating on ct, I’d be a millionaire

[west scroll]

my point is that it has no bearing so why bring it up whatsoever? why even write this in the first place?? HUMONGOUS waste of time and effort to write a meaningless point like this into a character...

[dim plover]

For me I take the character’s creator’s word as equal in canon to the media the character is in

[rotund gust]

i think what you guys actually have in game is fairly well written, if sometimes a bit contradictory (but that’s just the nature of updating a game sections at a time)

[west scroll]

minor example but there have been plenty more instances of cts dropping on the spot canonical points

[drifting aurora]

there are a lot of things ingame that i think could be done a lot better for sure

[jade pollen]

She's both ace and not. Schrodinger's ace. Solved it for you

[torpid marten]

how do I get an excuse to shit on the one particular ct person I dislike

[thin vector]

: |

[drifting aurora]

well ideally you dont do that

[torpid marten]

aw man.

[celest jetty]

no just find out what they did

[rotund gust]

yeah, its almost impossible to know what’s canon and what’s not if some ct lore drops on discord are canon and some aren’t

[west scroll]

it will be on the wiki 🤪

[drifting aurora]

literally what are you talking about man

[west scroll]

read above points

[rotund gust]

if lari being ace is canon due to this ct lore drops at the start of this channel, what other random ct messages that have been said on this discord are also canon.

i’m fine accepting that as my headcanon because ct said so, but calling it 100% canon is bad

[rich scarab]

this kinda thing (stuff cts have said on discord) is literally never put onto the wiki

[jade pollen]

Quick. What's the inspiration for your username. This will determine how seriously I take your points

[west scroll]

i was ye before kanye

[dim plover]

Would this mean that the name of TNA’s raid islands is like, not on the same level of canonicity as everything else in the game

[torpid marten]

I could be watching the internet be in an uproar about the censorship of adult content and instead I'm here looking at this shit
I'm looking at discourse but not even HIGH QUALITY discourse :c

[rotund gust]

elaborate

[rich scarab]

lari being ace wouldnt be canon because a ct said it, it would be canon because it was writen in their internal docs by the writers

[drifting aurora]

this has truly stopped being about canonicity a long time ago im gonna be real. the canonicity argument was resolved like half an hour ago. i dont know why people keep continuing it

[native river]

Who is kan (important lore)

[dim plover]

As far as I know the term “Blueshift Archipelago” is never mentioned in game

But that’s the name for the group of islands the TNA raid takes place on

[rotund gust]

i mean it’s the lore channel, what else are we gonna argue about

[rich scarab]

a ct saying stuff has literally 0 bearing on its canonicity

[celest jetty]

if a tree is written down in a document and noone is there to read it, is it canon?

[hidden dove]

from your point of view it makes content team look so not guilty of many horrors

[rotund gust]

also it was resolved but then samsam kept telling us to end the arguement so we kept going out of spite. it’s morphed since

[drifting aurora]

if you really want to, go nuts i guess. it just seems like a waste of energy

[pure kraken]

do NOT bring up the offmap horrors.

[hidden dove]

im not talking about it

[muted kettle]

free @genocided_penguin

[static mortar]

i'd agree if this ace stuff was mentioned a month or so after the quests or something, or if they were in the quests themselves like a throaway line from dullahan saying she's ace or something along those lines (it doesn't have to actually be him directly saying "she's ace", it could just be implied)

the real problem is that it's being mentioned 5 years after rol quest rework

or if it's actually been mentioned before somewhere i've never seen it, which is also the problem BECAUSE IT'S BEING MENTIONED OUTSIDE OF THE GAME. i barely ever check this discord outside of when updates drop or something like this channel happening. i want to know the lore in-game, not in a random discord conversation.

[west scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-fake-false-fact-checked-fact-gif-3692826964065029091

[celest jetty]

if everyone refers to something by a single name that is it's name

[heady snow]

this channels not even a day old and its already 80% worthless complaining thats gotta be a new record

[rotund gust]

but internal documents can A. be changed, B. have outdated information or things that never made it into the game and especially C. cannot be seen by the playerbase.

[rich scarab]

oh ok i guess a ct saying it does make it canon then glad we've got that sorted

[torpid marten]

"my name is nameless anomaly"
"greg"
"THAT'S NOT MY NAME"

[rotund gust]

see the constructive feedback channel lmao

[west scroll]

"fooler eater stronger than the eye" btw

[rich scarab]

i was joking

yeah nah i cba to argue with people who have the reading comprehension of a 4 year old im out

[rotund gust]

wait samsam has stopped sending messages who are we actually arguing against anymore

[muted kettle]

🤯

[native river]

Wtf mods

[torpid marten]

weird, isnt it.

[west scroll]

that means we won bro

[rotund gust]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[dim plover]

I would argue that Lari being ace falls under the “fun facts” section of character lore given it’s inconsequential-ness and nonexistent bearing on remotely any game events

I only really take issue with lore only being mentioned outside of the game if said lore actually matters in the game itself/ something the player would be expected to learn during the course of the game for later content but doesn’t because it’s not directly listed in the game

Like the demon final death rules from Hazbin Hotel sorta thing

[native river]

Can we just ask @night shuttle for lari lore, he knows her personally dawg wtf

[celest jetty]

if canon = official sources then ct could by definition never make fan art (or the likes) it would always be canon

[dim plover]

The creator of the character is free to mention random stuff like this years after the character is already created mostly because it really doesn’t matter in the plot

[torpid marten]

a certain someone on twitter writing completely random deranged nonsense about a book and movie series about a wizard school

[rotund gust]

i mean, ct could just make things unofficially. Either outside of game or on personal youtube channels. official source would be in game or by an official wynncraft account

the wynncraft soundtrack on youtube being the one i’m thinking of especially

[west scroll]

can we return to pre-1.14 writing where the characters weren't written like deku from mha

[celest jetty]

you mean werent written at all? lol

[torpid marten]

can we return to pre idk where characters weren't written
damnit you made the joke before me

[rotund gust]

since as far as i’m aware the little journal things in the descriptions of all of the soundtrack videos are canon. that’s an official sourcd

[dim plover]

As much as I really don’t like her the ones I have read still fall under inconsequential to known plot

[night shuttle]

the point that arguing about what lari's actual gender for lore is nonsense, is true, in no way does this point actually impact the story or anything near it. considering it a headcanon or fun fact is up to the viewer's choice, as right now it doesnt do anything to add to the lore or story it isnt actually a thing that should be argued for this long

[west scroll]

at the point we're at i'd probably rather than ngl

[dim plover]

Like the funny toilet one that everyone clowns on

[rotund gust]

lari’s gender is female

[twin sail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1206945599543320626/1368931196179972096/togif.gif

[static mortar]

can we return back to getting more endgame boss fights instead of quests and lore

[west scroll]

tealy this is NOT ragebait bro you were just simply not listening in vc

[dim plover]

(Anyways that being said I still don’t know who created Lari)

(What did they say about this)

[rotund gust]

do you guys regret making this channel yet?

[drifting aurora]

no, sorry. no more content ever. only lore

[twin sail]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-meme-jjba-gif-4322638546229085656

[torpid marten]

tealy were you religious? this channel needs god

[static mortar]

NO FUUUUUUCK LI AND EO SOLOS ARE GOING TO BE THE PEAK OF WYNN COMBAT FOREVER?????

[dim plover]

What about fake lore

I have made a lot of fake Wynncraft lore to talk about

Who here wants a palette cleanser I have lots of misinformation to talk aboit

[west scroll]

this why im busy for the next 5-7 business days that you ask to play OW

[heady snow]

im sorry but i have to say it you guys sound incredibly pathetic keeping this up for literal hours

[rotund gust]

yes, yes we are

[native river]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/841075298195472434/1207563305795854396/attachment-1.gif

[west scroll]

this guy asked "what do you think of the beta" then did NOT listen to my ass then said "lets hop on comp"

[heady snow]

like everyone knows you dont actually give a damn and youre just being pedantic to annoy people lol

[rotund gust]

but it’s fun

[twin sail]

saving this for use in #1019649786799996980

[static mortar]

i'm just here because genshin is on maintenance and i'm waiting to pull for cute robot maid

[heady snow]

its not fun it just makes you sound like a dumbass

[static mortar]

(and THE TRUE PYRO ARCHON lore (bennett))

[west scroll]

i've been here maybe 20 minutes and im eating bro 😊

[native river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1292932193483493378/1374446225620996146/caption-91.gif

[static mortar]

nah it's been like an hour

[torpid marten]

I wanted to comment something here about how I am not going to pull for the character but as it turns out this information is worthless

[west scroll]

time flies when you're having fun ig

[rotund gust]

haven’t you been here like an hour 💀

[west scroll]

they will say "it is ragebait" and plug their ears

[static mortar]

nearly one hour exactly

[dim plover]

I’ll think of Wynncraft lore to talk about one moment

[west scroll]

no thanks we're really good

[rotund gust]

btw this what what started this

[torpid marten]

can we talk about fuckin, uhhh
hunger of gerts 2. the old one.

[dim plover]

Then what do we talk about

[west scroll]

guild lore

[dim plover]

I offered a palette cleanser

[urban apex]

what the hell

[rotund gust]

the one with the fuckin meat factory

[drifting aurora]

purple they dont actually want to talk about lore

[urban apex]

is this a new channel

[dim plover]

Everyone just spread blatantly false lore it’ll be way more fun than whatever we’re doing

[static mortar]

understandable, pulling for meta or better characters that have been talked about for years is acceptable, i'm still pulling for cutesy stronk robot

[torpid marten]

can we talk about how old hunger of gerts 2 changed from whatever part 1 was into just like, a PSA about animal cruelty and ethically sourced food?

[native river]

Sadly

[night shuttle]

honestly guys as someone close to lari, she is telling me that all this talk about her preference and gender is making her feel uncomfortable and requests that you all actually talk about lore that is important to the story ❤️

[west scroll]

lowk can we talk about guild lore i miss vanir 💔

[dim plover]

Then what’s the point of this channel

[midnight bison]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-gif-18564060

[torpid marten]

I mean you say that but it's more like
why pull for funny robo maid when I have buttstomping cowgirl

[dim plover]

Do guilds even have lore

[west scroll]

valhalla vanir lore > wynn lore

[rotund gust]

i mean, we have been talking about lore it’s just the same lore over and over again for 3 hours

[dim plover]

It’s the uh
Tisuan thing right

[static mortar]

ah i see, i wasn't there when varesa released

[torpid marten]

the guild lore is that the guild merchant used to be in troms. did ya know that?

[drifting aurora]

you have the right idea of the point. its just some of the people here only want to fuck around

[urban apex]

do u know about the canyon lore they never touched up on ever again

[native river]

Lowk gotta be rb

[torpid marten]

wow baby, I've been playing since the latter half of 1.0
help

[west scroll]

guild lore from 2020-2022/2023 is the lore wynn should've written 💔🥀

[dim plover]

I still want to know what happens if we grabbed a theoretically alive Ice Drake and tried to freeze the Colossus’ insides

[pure kraken]

ong i miss vanir vs banana 💔

[rotund gust]

see the first hour this channel was open 💀

[dim plover]

Same with the Corruption Portal idk

[west scroll]

ON GOD BRO

[drifting aurora]

youre not disproving my point

[native river]

I thought this was #guild_community sry

[static mortar]

greg is actually papyrus from undertale

gale x qira is canon

the dern beast and light beast are a divorced married couple

fruma is actually not real

[torpid marten]

I would pay like, 3 euros to get a definitive answer on how many people have gotten muted through this channel in its first day of existence

[fossil plaza]

the guilds and the guilds

[rotund gust]

oh no you misunderstand, i’m agreeing with you

[west scroll]

can we make this #guild_lore_discussion

[native river]

Atleast 3

[dim plover]

Once I get on my PC I’m going to view the first hour of this channel

[rotund gust]

the first hour was only people fucking around that’s what i meant, it’s turned into actual lore debate since

[rotund gust]

explain old guild lore

[west scroll]

i think the video got deleted but there was a war map that had daily raids between vanir and banana army

[fossil plaza]

2019 hax

it was chryssies video she quite ages ago

[rotund gust]

i’ve tried to stay away from guild lore the same way i’ve tried to stay away from warring (it’s not fun )

[west scroll]

i asked her she said the video was deleted

[pure kraken]

hax was MID

[west scroll]

warring
watching people war 😍

[fossil plaza]

2020 onwards yeah

[native river]

2nd thing gotta be a lie

[fossil plaza]

Warring is not fun

[rotund gust]

warring is not fun

[native river]

Washed....

[rotund gust]

outer void > warring

[night shuttle]

warring is fun

[native river]

Thanks for the back up peng

[fossil plaza]

Wooooah that’s a bit too far

[static mortar]

go from (your timezone's hour):30-40~

[rotund gust]

atleast i can turn off my brain in outer void

[static mortar]

ex: 3:40 pm to 4:40 pm

[fossil plaza]

You can turn your brain off warring

[native river]

Where u using ur brain when warring

[rotund gust]

using my brain to chat “this territory next”

[static mortar]

this is not lore misinformation ong, ohms getting cucked has very big lore implications for fruma and the hive

[west scroll]

warring is fun if you're raiding someone actively with other guilds 🔥

[dim plover]

Something something Gone With The Wind fanfic

[fossil plaza]

Why do you need to say what territory comes next just go to timer

[static mortar]

something something 🔥 ✍️

[night shuttle]

true it's not like the guild is using their brain to read chat 💔

[native river]

Says you

[dim plover]

I would link it but I tend not to do that anymore

Qira does a really questionable thing in that fanfic that I’m not sure why I wrote about when I wrote it

It’s kinda really immoral even for her

[static mortar]

just use baritone or whatever that cheat feature is called smh

insert meteor client image

[native river]

Just use the tts function from mc

[static mortar]

(holy shit i actually got the feature name right)

[rotund gust]

actually lore thing. What’s the Silent expanse timeline.

Ohms get invaded by darkness
Bak’al puts the eye up on top of the tower
They go to dernal jungle or time valley

does this all happen at 0 AP? cause bak’al wasn’t the first guy to go into the portal how did he put the eye ontop of EO if the portals just opened

[acoustic ledge]

wsg lore discussion

[native river]

Haha bro thinks its actual lore discussion

[night shuttle]

we have all collectively agreed that i am very close to lari, and everyone who says otherwise is wrong

[rotund gust]

https://tenor.com/view/fleccas-fleccas-talks-nervous-nervous-laugh-nervous-smile-gif-8502826315614722934

[static mortar]

we've been discussing what should be considered canon information since 2-3 cts have said lari is apparently ace (even though this is the first time i've seen it being mentioned in 5 years)

[dim plover]

Olms*

[rotund gust]

mb

[west scroll]

this guy DONT check his dms

[static mortar]

not to mention that apparently it's been a thing of her character the past 5 years since her creation

[rotund gust]

we discussed we’re done (i think)

[static mortar]

mayhaps

[rotund gust]

unless samsam comes back and says it’s canon again we’re done

[static mortar]

just telling him what was going on, now we can go back to spreading false lore

[native river]

@night shuttle Once and for all, is she or is she not

[dim plover]

Wait did Samsam make Lari

[night shuttle]

up!

[rotund gust]

🤷‍♂️

[static mortar]

nobody has any idea who made her

[dim plover]

How does no one know who made her lol

[hidden dove]

https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/hello-im-ace.209323/ is this the guy you guys talking about

[torpid marten]

no, I'm pretty sure lari existed before samsam was ct. or maybe even joined teh server

[static mortar]

ace the original ace

[torpid marten]

well I could just be completely mistaken but samsam isnt like, an old ct

[static mortar]

AMBASSADOR TO THE COMMUNITY

[native river]

@torpid marten atleast 4 mutes

[acoustic ledge]

dang I am not interested in this convo topic rn (I just woke up) peace

[static mortar]

i've seen them as ct in the first bonfire festival i think

[rotund gust]

this channel also doesn’t not specify wynncraft lore_discussion we could talk about other lore

[dim plover]

I would change the topic but I might get flamed for going off-topic

[torpid marten]

questionmark

[rotund gust]

FUCK

[static mortar]

i was gonna say that as a joke* but like what lexnt said

[rotund gust]

i wanted to talk about secret of the mimic

[native river]

Did i remember the right person who asked that

[torpid marten]

I know my memory is ass but I have no clue what you're talking about, I just assumed you're here to ragebait me because apparently that's a thing, some ppl just use random alts to try and le epic trole people

[native river]

Well are the guild of wynn not also lore of wynncraft

[native river]

Tf i am not a alt, u tryna rb me now??

[torpid marten]

oh wait you mean the answer to how many people got muted

[static mortar]

i mean, we could feign ignorance and say we didn't read that part of the channel and just talk about lore from other pieces of fiction

[native river]

👍 (i have seen 3 mutes/1 ban)

[torpid marten]

well it's not a definitive answer but 4 ppl is already a pretty decent amount

[obsidian bane]

that won't save you

[static mortar]

this was satire

[obsidian bane]

now

[pine phoenix]

hello lore chat

[native river]

Gives us the actual numbers

[obsidian bane]

#📚lore_discussion message no one answered me last time I asked 😭

[static mortar]

if it wasn't satire i wouldn't actually be saying that in here and i'd instead dm the guy or something

[torpid marten]

I don't think ToA has any actual lore

[fossil plaza]

the death on top is fake is about it

[torpid marten]

I think the only lore it has is that the death there is not actual death
but the actual death npc from beyond the grave might also be not canon? so god knows

[rotund gust]

fake death, there might be a meteor or another wynn excavation crystal at the top

there’s a bit

[static mortar]

oblivion lore though (i'm too lazy to grab a screenshot again so i'm using my edit)

[torpid marten]

I mean none of that still means anything other than "there is magical crystal of some power there"

[static mortar]

insert true... gif

[obsidian bane]

question is how a meteor that showered in gavel hit the other end of the map
I doubt ins a wynnex one cause its pretty explicit there are only 4

[torpid marten]

I don't think there are any answers to this

[rotund gust]

i mean, it’s a meteor. they aren’t exactly precise in where they hit

[static mortar]

secret 5th meteor (like that one in star whateverthenameis quest)

[torpid marten]

even if you were to ask whoever put ToA in the game like 9 years ago you probably wouldnt get a satisfactory answer

[obsidian bane]

so did Ankou drag it over from gavel on his own, and then get stuck guarding it because fake death popped in

[torpid marten]

Yes.

[rotund gust]

could’ve just gone off course. There’s the two under lake gylia, the ones from ???, the one in star thief

[static mortar]

they made the toa then put some lore around it (oblivion and death dialogue)

[dim plover]

I like to think that Ankou and TOA Death were just buddies

[strange stag]

Can someone actually explain to me ??? quest lore?

[obsidian bane]

tbf there are at least 7 meteors

[torpid marten]

both of those things came years after ToA'd addition tho lol

[dim plover]

Like, the events of the quest the player does or the backstory the quest talks about

[static mortar]

that's my point?

[torpid marten]

ah, I get the wording now

[static mortar]

i'm saying toa never had lore to begin with and then it had (half-serious half-joke)

[dark fog]

I dont think its a wynn excav crystal

[native river]

Meteor booooom

[strange stag]

I'd appreciate both, but the backstory seems to be a great start

[rotund gust]

i mean we know there’s other wynn excav crystals, since the silent expanse has them, and it’s really the only option other than meteor or something unique to ToA

[torpid marten]

for what its worth I don't think the events of the quest themself mean much for ???

[dark fog]

it does? I didnt even know that

[dim plover]

Yahya, Nohno, Mehme and Sohso are brothers, and the first three were known Gavel scientists

They went insane while studying the meteors, and Sohso was last said to be headed to Fruma to presumably find a cure. As of current lore, we don’t know if Sohso reached Fruma or succeeded in entering

[rare fable]

Oh shit lore discussion???

[dim plover]

The actual quest itself is basically just a large myriad of seemingly disconnected puzzles that hints at pieces of said lore slowly

[static mortar]

4 scientists research 4 meteors, they go mad and end up doing ridiculous things (yahya gets into mushrooms, nohno has a chicken wife, mehme is in lake gylia or something and what purple said about sohso)

[rotund gust]

a wynnic excavation secret discovery

[shut hornet]

i think youre misinterpreting, the crystals in A Wynnic Excavation are the same ones from the quests

[dim plover]

Or at least is the path to unlocking said lore within the Sohso white meteor

[obsidian bane]

so there are a ton of meteors that ccrash into gavel
and mehme, sohso, yahya, and sohso investigate them, somehow teleport onto/into 3 of them that are still in space, and get driven insane
yahya becomes obsessed with mushrooms, nohno becomes obsessed with chickens, mehme becomes obsessed with wooden houses, and sohso becomes obsessed with fruma
during the ??? quest you are wandering through their labratories, first the meteors they studied, then yahya's labunder his house, then nohno's lab under rooster island, then mehme's lab inside the white meteor

[dim plover]

I wonder if the giant versions of the crystals have been written out

[torpid marten]

wynnexc rework, coming 2029

[rotund gust]

oh, i interpreted it as there’s other crystals, since they covered them back up and their still in the silent expanse (or atleast a shard is) and if the expanse was sealed off there’s no way it get them out

[static mortar]

every quest rework coming 2077

[obsidian bane]

yeah but that timeline does not line up at all

[dim plover]

I’ve got you covered

<in fear of derailing the thread I won’t post the funny chart here>

[static mortar]

funny chart what funny chart

[torpid marten]

purple has some unhinged wynnexc rework concept

[static mortar]

i need to see more purple going into madness with lore

[strange stag]

Oh wow, the only one I knew about was Yahya

[torpid marten]

you know that meme with the board with all the red strings connecting images and shit

[strange stag]

If Fruma brings ??? Part two it would be so funny

[static mortar]

wait mehme is actually in lake gylia right

[lone coral]

pls dont

[static mortar]

in the area around it or something

[strange stag]

Cmon it's fun

[torpid marten]

purple's wynnexc in a nutshell

[static mortar]

notpron hunt 3.0 is just no

[frank flicker]

I hope ??? part 2 is exclusively on normal island

[rotund gust]

yeah the secret mentions someone came asking about crystals earlier, and so the miners seal them back up, and we find the crystal activating the secret. I struggle to think of when the crystals would’ve been moved now that the expanse is sealed off, nor why there’s still at the very least fragments of the crystals left

[static mortar]

(those who get the reference are true enthusiasts)

[rotund gust]

but the expanse timeline in general is a bit screwy

[dim plover]

Like a year or so back I decided to draw up a rewrite for the WynnExcavation storyline

Although given that my version occurs throughout the entire game and ties into so many other questlines it’s more of a rewrite of like a quarter of Wynncraft’s story

(I won’t talk about it here though, if you really want to hear me ramble for hours ping me in like the main channel or something)

[strange stag]

I've always been so confused about the Rooster island, that explains a lot lol

[torpid marten]

but yeah cosmic magic turn ppl insane, resulting in yahya nohno and mehme

[rotund gust]

and the guy in star thief

[dark fog]

yea

[pure kraken]

"hehehehaw magic makes people CRAAAAAZY wacky guys. No reason, its just space magic!!!!'

[rotund gust]

are the wynn excavation crystals (is there a less lengthy name for them?) implied to be related to the meteors anywhere? apart from meteors raining on the silent expanse but those might’ve been like normal fireball meteors

[gray tendon]

its all the wybels, man, they're after us, plotting our downfall

[frank flicker]

I mean the lake gylia meteor has been remarkably shown to make people go insane though so feels like it’s in its own magic

[obsidian bane]

werent the ones in dern sent by the dern beast?

in SE*

[rotund gust]

i’m pretty sure, but also it’s the silent expanse its timeline is goofy and it’s been a minute since i checked

wait no they are

[frank flicker]

I’m not entirely sure but it feels like the wynnexc crystals have been almost exclusively shown to be the ones mined up by the miners in the entrance to se

[rotund gust]

since the olm built the observatory to track the meteors hitting the silent expanse, but in the secret we see the fireballs sent by the dern beast

[frank flicker]

or atleast linked to that instead of meteors

[rotund gust]

it’s not evidence but the wiki page for the Olm also lists the meteors as the same type as the gavel meteors, not generic fireball meteors

[vagrant mason]

forest

[frank flicker]

Are you implying it’s the same meteors that hit gavel or more from the same formation as the gavel meteors

[vagrant mason]

rainforest beaches and sub alpine

[rotund gust]

same type of meteor. not the exact same but similar. Cause amadel argueably goes crazy harnessing them

[frank flicker]

Yeah but I feel like there is a stronger case there that Amadel goes crazy because of the powers of the crystals and not the crystals themselves

also imo just logistically the crystals being linked to meteors would make no sense due to having to mine them from deeep caves

[rotund gust]

yeah the wiki on trivia for wynn excavation says “they are likely the same as the colored meteors found across gavel. they share the same environmental effects, are found in the same locations as the Olm saw meteors constantly fall, and even share many of the same colors”

[rotund gust]

i mean the 4 wynn excavation crystals were hidden, otherwise why would the yellow one be in a tomb and not a random cave

[frank flicker]

yeah that’s true I just feel like there would be more evidence of them hitting wynn

as in craters and such but maybe im overreaching

[rotund gust]

i mean, the only crater in gavel is the one left by the purple & blue meteors

the others are just kinda sitting there (well the white one from star thief might have made a crater too)

[wispy bay]

also wtf was the part about the meteors/crystals being spread all over Wynn but then all of them are just sitting in a cave in SE together

[frank flicker]

true, maybe they just didn’t have the size to them

[rotund gust]

samsam said earlier that those are the ones from wynn excavation. not sure i believe that since it makes the timeline weird though

[frank flicker]

still funny that the meteor behind cinfras is just sitting ontop of everything with no crater to it

[drifting aurora]

i think the cleanest explanation would be that the crystal bits found in that discovery are just remmants of the actual crystals

[rotund gust]

yeah you’d think with how willing the gavel government is to black bag people and cover up things they’d move the meteors

[drifting aurora]

that excavation happening in 800 bp is really funny though

[wispy bay]

Yea that’s what I meant. It’s obviously the wynnexcavation crystals but if the whole idea was that they were hidden and spread out over the province and putting them together creates extreme power, then why are all of them just sitting in the same cave together

[frank flicker]

I think the problem is that wynnexc has been something rewritten like 100s of times over the years so its hard to get a solid grasp on it all

loool ct do not wanna get into that discussion

[drifting aurora]

this leaves reasonable space for the crystals to have been spread out + hidden

[rotund gust]

yeah, if a wynnic excavation just shows where the crystals originated it brings up some timeline questions, if it shows more copies of the wynn meteors/crystals then why are their copies of the wynn meteors but not the gavel ones

[drifting aurora]

bit confused by what you mean

[dim plover]

If meteors did hit the Silent Expanse we would have seen craters

Silent Expanse has notably 0 meteor craters

[rotund gust]

if the meteors are just there, we see the miners plan to cover them back up, and we presumably just find a small shard. When and how did whoever hid them get in and out of a sealed silent expanse

[rotund gust]

gavel barely has them either (lake gylia being the only crater, the other meteors are just sitting there)

[dim plover]

Yeah but at least they’re there

[rotund gust]

and in the final moments secret the olm say “more meteors hitting the mountains again? when has that ever been an issue before” “there’s a series of fireballs heading toward the city”

[dim plover]

they do still form craters below them

[drifting aurora]

i have actually just gone and looked at the wiki and tbh yeah it does say the olm went and hid the crystals back where they found them. which iiiiiis messy lol

[rotund gust]

so meteors are confirmed to have hit the SE mountains, seperate from the fireballs that dern sends, and that’s where a wynnic excavation shows the 4 crystals are

the problem is how did we get from crystals in the mountains to the 4 wynn excavation crystals, and are those the same crystals and/or multiple copies of the crystals

[drifting aurora]

current lore seems to imply they are the same crystals

[rotund gust]

hold on ima go do this secret

[static mortar]

i'm on my phone atm imma go to my laptop again in a sec but i wanted to mention i forgot to try and solo rymek luke with my archer

[rotund gust]

lol

ok so we find a piece of the yellow crystal sticking out of the rock. the miners uncover the 4 crystals under the rock (although not the same shape as the wynn excavation crystals they are the same colors) they say someone came about asking about the crystals earlier and they all swear to secrecy and re-cover the crystals

[drifting aurora]

a bit odd

[rotund gust]

but the place we find the partially buried shared looks the same as the uncovered stone with the 4 crystals, -the crystals themselves

do we have a specific time when we know the silent expanse was sealed off?

hey wait a minute, i’m just realizing what humans mining in the silent expanse in 800bp means. were the portal open at some point before when we see them open in aldoreis secret 2 leading to the dern beast attacking the olm and causing them to leave the SE?

they all got PTSD from the eye though which got put there by bak’al, who only got corrupted after the portals open. this is a plot hole, am i misinterpreting, or blame weird time magic olm crap

[still bane]

https://tenor.com/view/update-is-today-gif-14731534949278669964

[soft radish]

this is new

I have a lore question, what is the significance of the grook?

[rotund gust]

wdym significance

[soft radish]

like what does it mean to the story

[rotund gust]

like as a quest or the secret on the island

[soft radish]

(the joke clearly flew over your head)

[frank flicker]

one flew over the grook nest…

[rotund gust]

i’m sleep deprived i read the word order as in order of the grook

[pure kraken]

fake

[soft radish]

get some sleep then

[rotund gust]

i saw “of the grook” and just immediately interpreted “order” at the front

[rotund gust]

chimken

[soft radish]

chimken

alright, time to silently lurk in this channel and add absolutely nothing to any conversation that happens here

[frank flicker]

I think the entire olmic society lore is wrapped up in webs upon webs, very interesting from afar but so confusing when you start to try to figure stuff out

[rotund gust]

yeah, and it all conveniently can be explained by “these guys have time magic, so any event on their timeline could’ve happened whenever”

[frank flicker]

time magic… the notably very straightforwards and not confusing type of lore tool…

idk, I think it’s also interesting they chose to escape into dernel considering how far they must’ve travelled to get there

[hexed nova]

How important is the order of the grook anyway

Seemed like a one off thing

[rotund gust]

i mean there’s the secret on the island of dern research that’s about it

[frank flicker]

I mean it’s probably more important than implied cause I can imagine alot of the mages of wynncraft have been taught there

Especially if they have connections to alot of the major cities to have a portal there it cant be something truly unimportant

[hexed nova]

I suppose but what mages 💀

You see like 3 mages in total

[frank flicker]

Yeah, lowkey you’re right tbh

[rotund gust]

the twain’s are more sorcerers than wizards going by d&d terminology

[frank flicker]

now that I’m thinking of it there’s not really any mage that is implied to be linked to the grooks other than those on mage island

[hexed nova]

I doubt the twains were educated at grookwarts

[rotund gust]

there’s like no human wizards, apart from maybe lucio and elphaba?

[frank flicker]

and even those have no connections

[hexed nova]

The guy from the unlocking sst quest

And the guy from unlocking undergrowth

[frank flicker]

feels like it could easily be expanded upon but it’s lowkey just forgotten

[frank flicker]

slykaar? but he also got no connections tbf

[rotund gust]

no the one trying to break in

the quest npc

[hexed nova]

No um they’re just called troms mage i think lol

[frank flicker]

oh yeah, definitely could see that being possible

[hexed nova]

slykaar is a shaman but grookwarts can probably make shamans from their available courses

Like they have the nature one and stuff

[rotund gust]

is he even a shaman in the same way the player is?

[obsidian bane]

What about the lady at sst?

[hexed nova]

They’re the kill people for blood kinda shaman

[hexed nova]

I said it above too

[hexed nova]

So maybe acolyte?

And grookwarts has corruption class

Close enough

[fossil plaza]

will the lore throw profs

[obsidian bane]

There used to be 3 human mages who opened lost sanc for you

And does electromagic count? I didn't read the whole convo

[hexed nova]

The funny harry potter wizzards

[hexed nova]

Grookwarts if disconnected from fruma with current lore I think

Could be possible the corkians visited grookwarts after they settled in corkus island?

[obsidian bane]

Corkus Delegate: Coming from Fruma, we of course knew no magic at all.
Corkus Delegate: We soon developed our own. The rare power of Electromagic.
Corkus Delegate: It's a difficult modern branch of magic that allows us to create machines.

so no

[hexed nova]

Yea then the corkians were not affected by grookwarts

Well technically

They couldve borrowed some stuff from the thunder classes at grookwarts ig

Basically the question is how influential is grookwarts

[obsidian bane]

wait why is grookwarts even secret when the ship leaves from mage island (and presumably the kids come from there too)

[hexed nova]

Mage island is probably pretty disconnected

[static mortar]

first try on lvl 49, 5 pots and i even learned how one of his attack "patterns" work mid-fight (uploading vid)

very off-topic so i'm gonna post it on #🌎wynncraft (when it's finished uploading)

[hybrid gazelle]

Grookwart is just odd thing in the lore

That I can see it being rework in the future content

It never really explain properly and it existence kinda weird to me cause like gavel exist

Magic school is not that much special when the setting is fantasy in the first place

Also magic island is weird too but mostly due to ocean lore being outdated

[hexed nova]

The whole thing is just a potter reference and idk it’s kinda weird 💀

[remote river]

Let’s not forget Grookwarts knows about the Silent Expanse and has a beast from there

[hexed nova]

That one feels so weird to me